Knowledge Fight - #260: Aliens Need Editors

Episode Date: February 3, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a much needed break from talking about Alex Jones in order to go on an adventure through space with Project Camelot. In this installment, Sweary Kerry sits down with a potential alien and definite Frenchman to discuss his life full of paranormal experiences, but ultimately all may not be what it seems. 

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding Alex. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan. Hi Jordan. Dan. When was the last time we recorded in the morning? Oh, I can't remember. I don't think we ever have. It's awful. The sunlight coming in from the window behind you is very unfamiliar territory. We're recording this on the end in the morning because this afternoon I am flying out on vacation. And about time. Yeah, a little bit. Although I missed the window of the negative 50 degrees Chicago by a couple days. I could have dodged

there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll still be nice to get out of this cold and what have you for a couple days. And because of that we have to record this ahead of time so we can get this episode out for Monday so we don't leave everybody high and dry. But we will not have an episode on Wednesday just by virtue of there's no way we could have pulled that off. No, I wish I wish we could have. Yeah. But we could not. But we'll be back on Friday after this episode and we appreciate everybody allowing you to have a little bit of what's your what's your vacation man. It's just going to hang out. It's a weekend. Yeah. Kind of still a work vacation. Emotional work vacation. Yeah. But so I am very thrilled about that though because I mean like this last

week especially of this show has been nuts. Like in terms of like Roger Stone getting indicted and I was having that episode last Monday and then Alex's clear indications that he's fucking done with Roger at the end of last week. And even like we haven't talked too much about this but I was working on like a really big episode right before Roger got indicted. So it was like three straight days of intensive work on that Roger gets indicted. Fuck. This has got to go on the back burner and I got to dive into that. So I'm very excited to not do this for a little couple days. You deserve it. Yeah. Please don't open your fucking computer. I don't even read the news probably check Twitter but beyond that I'm not doing anything. Yeah. But this is a podcast where

because of working the candle at both ends as it were. I know a lot about Alex Jones and I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones and it doesn't matter today because we're not talking about Alex Jones. Oh thank God. I'm going on vacation. I'm sick and tired of talking about him at this point. He did a lot of Alex Jones. Yeah. Very short period of time. No wacky Wednesday last week. So that means wacky Wednesday is coming on Monday this week. Hey. We've got an interesting Project Camelot episode to go over. That'll be a lot of fun but before we get to that I got to give a couple shout outs to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. First of all they'd like to say thank you to Glenn. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

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Most recent episodes have been a little bit of a mess. They haven't been the sort of things that necessarily we like to cover. I don't need to hear Carrie Cassidy talk to some weirdo about 5G technology. I don't really need to hear that. I want to hear about space. Yeah yeah yeah yeah that's yeah I don't want to hear her talk about real science but then just lie bullshit about that. That sucks. Alex can do that stuff for us. We can we can cover that. There are commonalities that we miss a little bit because I don't want to talk about her version of that. Right. It's so similar to Alex's and delivered less interestingly. Yeah and so we unless spider leadership is involved with involved with 5G technology get the fuck out of here. Yeah so we sort of punt on

those a little bit but I found an episode recently there's a new episode that just came out with starring starring this guy named Sebastian Martin and he's on to promote his new book and so I started listening to it and like wow this is this is pretty good stuff this is interesting starts talking about Loosh which you remember from that episode the guy who thought that there was an alien base under the Getty museum. Yep yep yep. So I'm like oh this guy's he's in deep he's talking about Loosh like all right he's talking about how he had these like these messages from aliens and like he had experienced these things with aliens so he wrote a book and he starts talking about how he had some people who he had good help editing the book and to me I'm

thinking if you're getting messages from aliens you don't need an editor. That that struck me weird. No no no that's unfair that is unfair everybody needs an editor especially Stephen King in the 90s. True but he wasn't channeling alien material. Were he to be. He's doing a lot of coke. Yeah that's very similar. That's not the same thing. That's pretty similar I feel like. So I listened to that and I'm like I want to go over this certainly at least the weird like why do you gotta edit alien messages but then I was like this is too reliant on their previous interviews. You could tell that there was a bigger story behind it but they weren't talking about the specifics of it because they'd already done that on a previous episode. Okay. So I went back to a

year prior the first time Sebastian Martin was on the show and we are going to hear about this guy's backstory and it is wild. Okay sweet. I gotta be honest I love me as Sebastian so I'm kind of on his side right off the right off the gate. I'm going to tell you ahead of time and tell the listeners that this is simultaneously the most fascinating and most boring story I've ever heard in my life. All right that is. I was I was like. Shrodinger's backstory. The details of this are super interesting but as I was going over it I kept finding myself zoning out. This is why he needs an editor. I was just like whoa god I guess I guess he's talking about the onanaki. Okay cool. There was moments like that. I had to like I had to sort of slap myself in the

face and be like get in the game. Get in the game. You've got to listen. So there'll be a little bit of that but here is an out of context drop from today's show. It is a problem where people put aliens so-called aliens on pedestals so to speak. Don't play aliens on pedestals. That is a problem. You know what deep down we're all equal. We're all equal. You don't got to elevate aliens on a pedestal. They're just going to disappoint you. Exactly. All an alien on a pedestal can do is fall. I don't think that's the sort of concern that Carrie's bringing to the table. It's more that she's worried that we over exaggerate the evolved levels of aliens. Certain aliens probably. I think she has a very different feeling about different types of aliens which you can read between the

lines however you like. So Sebastian is on the show and it's interesting. This interview came out beginning of 2017. The two of them don't really know each other. Carrie and Sebastian. They're on a little bit of oh and here's the other thing I wanted to say. He's a French dude. Okay now this is going to be more fun. He has an accent and I think that Carrie is one of the types of people who gets tricked by an accent and it makes dumb things sound smarter to American ears when you hear a European accent saying the things. Especially French or British. Those are accents that really it's a hack. It's like a little override in people's brains. They're like oh it's guys obviously smart. He's French. You know that sort of thing. So some of the stuff that

he's saying I would I would beg the audience to imagine he wasn't French saying these things and see if they sound at all reasonable. Now Carrie and Sebastian met at this alien conference. I think they call it the alien Congress or something like that. The alien Congress. I don't think they have any kind of actual legislative power. Yeah I don't think so. There's no balance. There's no there's no alien executive or there's no separation of alien powers either. I think it's just a name. Everybody's putting aliens on a pedestal in that case. That's true. So here's how they start out the interview. Hi I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and today we are at the UFO Congress and we took this opportunity to meet up with Sebastian Martin who is here

as well attending the conference and he's a very interesting man. He has been out and around telling his story a bit but we're going to delve down maybe a little deeper here and this is a great opportunity for Project Camelot to talk to him about his what's been going on with him over many many years and I'm going to let him introduce himself since I actually don't know him that well. I've only heard a couple interviews with him. So I don't I don't I feel like Carrie knows nothing considering that she's saying like what's been going on with him for many years. He's been going around telling people stories like I think that she maybe skimmed an interview with him or something like that. You can prepare. No you can't. You can. Dan we don't do the show

with you just starting and stopping the show. Are you prepared for the show? Yeah. She's doing even less work. I don't have a UFO Congress to get ready to go to though you know what I'm saying. That takes a she probably really front loaded her schedule preparing for the Congress. Right. Right. The joint session of the UFO Congress and forgot to prepare for this interview in any way but she wisely says Sebastian introduce yourself. I don't know you. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know who you are. Sebastian. Some things have been going on with you. Exactly. So he does. So I was a CEO of a multinational for 10 years in Canada. So this struck my ears strange. Oh my God. First of all you're going to listen to a French accent all day. So he says he's a CEO of a multinational

corporation. I'm like hmm or what he says he was and immediately I'm like I don't believe anybody who's on Project Camelot. Just I don't believe them across the board. Right. But in terms of like people who lie about being in the CIA or the military and stuff like that. I can't figure that out. But if you're the CEO of a company that record should be somewhere. Probably. Yeah. You would think so. Now. Hold on. You can however fudge that number right there. Like you could be a look you could have a franchise of McDonald's in Canada and and then like one right across the border in America and call yourself a multinational business. You could call yourself a CEO. That's what I'm saying. You you get a startup. Right. You put a you put a front office in both Canada.

United States and you're the CEO of a multinational corporation. We'll see what the truth is. So across the board and the few interviews I've watched of Sebastian Martin as well as his bio on Amazon and the blurb of his newly released book which is called Inner Journey in Outer Space. Martin consistently refers to himself as the former CEO of a multinational company. But in no instance does he ever say what that company was which I found very suspicious. If you just google his name you find a ton of Sebastian Martins who aren't him which doesn't get me anywhere. In this episode he mentions that his company was based in Canada. So I decided I decided to search for Sebastian Martin CEO Canada and see what came up. It turns out what came up is his LinkedIn page

which mysteriously doesn't contain any entries in his job history that involve being the CEO of a multinational company. He has two jobs listed. One is his current the business that he runs and Suho Distribution which is a website mostly about New Age pseudo spiritual nonsense trying to bring together light workers and what have you. And he's Su and hoes. That's what he's doing. Yeah. And the second one is a position as the director of Fokie Herbs Incorporated. Neither of these positions could be the CEO position he always cites as a part of his history. Partially because the entire time he was at Fokie Herbs another person whose LinkedIn page I found it doesn't need to be dragged into any of this had a higher position in the company than he did.

And beyond that the timeline doesn't work out. That part is just you being a dick looking through the LinkedIn page. I want to know what he's talking about. No I know but there's a part of me that's like you looked through the other LinkedIn pages to find somebody who is like a little bit higher. That's a little bit dicky. No it's not. It's not a little bit higher. Your research is thorough. It's not a little bit higher. How much higher it is. Quite quite a bit. In another interview did Sebastian said that he was the CEO of this company until he sold it in 2013. So neither of the two entries on his LinkedIn page could possibly represent a CEO experience. And that seems like something you wouldn't just leave off of your resume on a job

website. The fact that you were the CEO of a multinational company. He's a modest man. He doesn't want to know how he's modest in that he writes it in a book and says it on a ton of interviews that he was a CEO. Right. He's not going to explain that. He's not going to explain that and put it on his resume. That would be look you don't want to be over qualified for a job either dad. So I'm seeing a dead end here and I'm getting super curious about this and I need to know what's up. So in the honors and accolades section of his LinkedIn page, Sebastian includes a link to an article about the 2012 Canadian Excellence Incorporate Responsibility Awards where he says where he says I don't know. But he says that his business got an honorable mention in the small

slash medium business of any sector category. Boom. There it is. Sebastian was the CEO of a company called Wetterspoon Organic. Wetterspoon Organic is a honey company. They sell small jars of boutique honey for absurdly high prices. But that's not all they do. They also promote their honey as having antibacterial properties. Interestingly, that's not a problem. Honey absolutely does have antibacterial properties. But Wetterspoon has been accused of exaggerating their honey's powers on that front. And in March 2015, they were hit with a class action lawsuit for it. That suit would be voluntarily withdrawn in December. But the exact details of why it got withdrawn haven't been made public. From looking at a series of court filings throughout fall 2015,

it does appear that they reached some sort of out of court settlement. But it's hard to say for sure. So Wetterspoon Organic sells all sorts of honey based products. For $50, you can get a honey based night cream. Or for $22, you can get a smaller tube of day cream. Eh, you want to put my honey cream on your face. Some of the products drifted to sort of Alex Jonesy territory. For $21, you can buy a five pack of single serving tubes of Honey Plus Vitality, which are apparently perfect for when you're on the go. I would rather put that on my burger than Super Mail Vitality. Sure. That's for sure. It's at least food. It's at least food. Yeah. They sell versions that are Honey Plus Immunity and Honey Plus Clarity advertising that it fuels the body and the mind.

That sort of thing. So it looks like Sebastian ran a small to medium boutique honey operation that he's trying to make sound like it was a Fortune 500 company in order to elevate his story. It's moments like this that I'm glad that I got to the bottom of the story, but also realized that it probably wasn't worth it. We could have just assumed it was something like this. I told you immediately what exactly it was. It's a place that has an office in two countries and he just called it. That's what he called it. Yep. So it's one of those things where it's like if he was just honest with it, I wouldn't have been curious. Yeah. But he's trying to make it seem like the business was much larger than it was. And that's not to take anything away from him. He did run

this business. And he got an award. And from everything I can tell, he started it from nothing, running out of his apartment and did build it to the small slash medium size. That's cool. Sure. You should be proud of that. I'm not going to take that away from him. I am going to say it's slightly dishonest to only represent that as the CEO of a multinational corporation. He's very modest. I think it's a little bit fast and loose. And the reason that he's doing that is to elevate his story and make himself seem way more important. So whatever he's saying is so much more important by virtue of that. Yeah, this is the what stolen business valor. Like that's kind of what we're talking about here. But it's the difference between being entirely made up and just exaggerated. So

like it would be like someone who is just a rank and file enlisted person. And then they're saying that they were general. Yeah, exactly. It's that it's that it's that level of it. So I give him credit enough for being a CEO and not not being a lie. But I also think it's spiritually a little How do you get both sued and an honorable mention in the years were all the years were different 2012 was when he got that honorable mention and then 2015 was when they got the class. So did they take away his honorable mention for well responsibility or whatever it was. The lawsuit wasn't even as far as I can tell when he was the CEO of the company. He had sold the business in 2013. All right. So that even isn't necessarily on him. You know, at least he wasn't

around as the CEO at the time. But you do kind of get the sense that like, well, that's probably the marketing that they've been using all along. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't get in this fucking honey from New Zealand. Get it from alien New Zealand raw bees, raw bees. Well, the honey is raw. I don't know. I assume the bees are too. No, no, no, no, no. There's a process that it's like raw milk. It's that same sort of thing. Oh, fuck that. Raw honey is not as dangerous. Yeah, I don't think. Yeah. Doesn't honey, isn't that the only thing that never goes bad ever or whatever it is? Yeah. And it can heal wounds. Yeah. Yeah. They use closing property. Yeah. The honey is a very interesting thing. And let's move along. Let's let it let's look into the background of honey.

So anyway, that was four seconds into his introduction. We find that he is a CEO, but might be embellishing. And I had offices in Pennsylvania, UK, New Zealand. And in 2011, I had a basically a dream that was a common dream. It was the face of a boy that looked at me. And he had eyes that were a bit more, you know, away from each other than ours. And you had a higher cheekbones. And he was so close to me that I could not see his chin. And he was very happy, like he smiled, you know, I could see his white teeth. He could have been like a Californian surfer dude, you know, but not for me, sir. But it was surreal, but at the same time, not that unusual, because, you know, I could just see him. It was a very brief moment.

When I woke up in the morning, I went to work. And that boy, that face was still in front of me all day long. And it was highly disturbing. So he had a bad dream in 2011. Yeah, he had a weird dream of a kid who had weird eyes, smiling, and maybe had a chin or not. And then that face was staring at him all day. Well, I think he just means in this case that he couldn't get the image out of his head. I prefer to imagine that he just had a face like directly in front of him, like three feet away, just like a carrot. Yeah, like looking around and he's like, dude, I'm in traffic. Yeah, that would be, I mean, I think if that were the case, he probably would have specified it. I think he just was thinking about this boy. It was in front of him all day.

So that evening, he comes home from work after having this bad dream and this kid being in his head all day, and he starts to meditate or something. It's not really clear what he's up to. And then the boy appears to him in his little room. I was making some honey. Yes, I'd normally And I decided to sit down on my sofa late at night. It was very quiet. And I pulled myself a cup of tea beforehand and left it on the counter. Important detail. And sat down on the sofa and then I closed my eyes, not really knowing what to expect. I was basically so disturbed by, you know, his face that something must have happened. I understand why you're zoning out. Ask or get some answers. I'm guessing he means my eyes. Within one second,

I could feel this wind or whirlwind of energy going all around me. And then he stopped. And when that stopped, I basically just opened my eyes and there was this boy but standing in front of me. And he was about, you know, nine feet away from me. What up, bro? He was glowing. But the glow of energy was very close to his body. It was not, you know, huge. But enough for me to see him in full details. And he was not really transparent. He was physically there. I could see him in full form. So you got this boy in his room now in his living room. This ethereal auric being is now paid him a visit since he made some tea and then sat down on the couch,

which apparently is how you beckon a spirit. Just like a Frenchman to leave his doors unlocked. Letting the aliens in at all hours of the night. Wait, is he from France or is he? Oh, he's from just south of Bordeaux. Oh, okay. He's a legit Frenchman. But yeah, he's apparently spent some time in Germany, the UK and Canada also throughout his, his path. And actually, He had a little honey everywhere. He goes, he's the Johnny honey sea of Europe. Nope. It's before that. And actually he explains why he went to different countries and it's very disappointing kicked out. Nope. So that night he's sitting there. This, this boy comes and visits

him. We don't know who this boy is yet, but it turns out the boy then introduces himself. And when I tried to get up on my seat, I was frozen. I couldn't move. And when I tried to speak, because I was kind of startled by the whole thing, I could not speak. And when I saw him and you must have heard me, you know, thinking like, who are you? What are you doing here? And he basically responded saying, my name is Zo, and I'm from the galactic federation. Actually, he said more like the galactic alliance, not so much the federation, but I'm guessing that's an important thing. And we had a 15 minute long conversation, which is kind of selfish. I wasn't allowed to talk

interacting with a being like this. Not only I, I was really startled, but I was kind of in a weird space. Yeah, it is a weird space. I was a little bit turned on at the same time, because I'm kind of into that. I may have had a night. I may have had some sleep paralysis, because I just described exactly what sleep paralysis is. Yeah, no big deal. There's a, there's some of that. I think everything that he talks about is very explainable through just like context clues. But I do like the idea that he's saying like, I had a 50, a 50 minute conversation with this guy, which is a little bit selfish. I mean, this guy is an important alien, you know, like, as if time matters to sore.

He could time travel. Time matters to sore. Yeah, please. Again, this is my favorite thing. Anytime. He's just like, uh, yeah, he's with the galactic federation. No, apologies. The galactic alliance, not so much the federation and carries just like, right, of course. Yes, continue. That's an obvious thing. Of course. Also fun fact, if you Google sore, uh, intergalactic alliance or whatever for federation, uh, all the information just keeps popping up. It's a Sebastian Martin type stuff, but I did find one thing that I wish I'd listened to. I didn't have the time to, but there's another podcast that he went on and on the same episode, John Rappaport is on it. So I don't think they're on it together. I don't think they're on the episode together. I think it's like this guy

interviewed both of them and separate interviews on the same show. But just to show, there's a, there's a spiritual connection that some podcasts will have both John Rappaport and Zora alien on the same show. Here's, here's my pitch. Cause this is what I see happening right now. Buddy comp, uh, uh, buddy comedy, right? Road trip comedy through space. Zora, Sebastian, Sebastian, the whole time, I'm going to say Rappaport Sebastian. No, no, no, no. Sebastian the whole time is like, I'm a CEO of the, of this, uh, yeah. And Zora though, Zora's always like, I'm way up in the galactic federation. And then they both kind of learn about each other. And eventually they find out,

you know, eventually Sebastian has to be like, I, it's just a honey company, man. I've been lying to you this whole time. And then Zora is like, dude, I'm a janitor. I'm not that big. And then they both bond so hard, but also I'm a space janitor, but also I love honey. You know, I just realized like I got to clean my apartment. Let's, let's trade as, as he was talking, I did again, find myself zoning out a little bit. And what I realized is that I could conceivably call myself the CEO of an international podcast. That's true. Uh, that would be as legitimate. Yeah. Maybe that's not fair to him. I don't think I'd be considered the CFO. Yeah. I don't know about that. Um, so in this next clip,

one of the problems with Carrie and a lot of her guests is they start talking and they keep talking. One of the problems with this talk show is that they talk, well, because they don't keep it in line. They don't keep the cut or they start trying to develop these backstories for themselves that leads them to the endpoint that they want. But at the same time, as they describe their backstory, you start to get these clues about like, oh, what you're describing is, is, is not aliens. What you're describing isn't like you didn't, the end goal of whatever story you're telling isn't what you want it to be, but it's good enough to trick people in here. This next clip was my first sign of like a real red flag. My parents had an old farmhouse

that they purchased and I knew it was haunted and I had recurring nightmares, you know, not so much as a child, but I saw like ghosts going in. So we're doing ghosts and aliens, huh? Oh boy. The living room and I got used to them. You know, I got really used to them. Honey, ghosts, aliens, he's a triple threat. At the same time, he kind of made sense to me that I understood I had a genuine understanding of us to know what they were in terms of entities and they were not like ETs or anything else. They were more like human beings who passed away and I could see their bodies floating around and that was my understanding of what was traditionally. Yep, that's ghosts. That's ghosts. So yeah, we see that he had a, his parents had a haunted shed that he was terrified of

and had recurring nightmares as a child about these things that probably seeped into his consciousness a little bit to the point where he convinced himself he was seeing ghosts. Same thing, I think I had, I lived in Hawaii for a little bit growing up and when I lived there, we lived in this house that we came to find out was haunted or allegedly haunted. There's a ghost, a spirit called the Kasha of Kaimuki, which is like a vengeful spirit that apparently lived in this house that we lived in. It was one of those things like we didn't have money at all. We were very poor and like property is pretty expensive in Hawaii. But it's cheaper if there was a fucking ghost there. The house had been like uninhabited for a while because no one wanted to move in

because local people would be like, don't move into that house, it's fucking haunted, all this shit. We would have like these, these old women, like in mumus that would come and like throw salt at our house and chant every now and again. That's fun. Like I have weird little memories of that. Right. And I think I like, I have a memory of thinking I saw a ghost. Like I legitimately do. Like when I was laying in bed one night, I saw like something in my closet with a flaming axe. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I could tell myself that's real. Right. And I could do the same story that he's doing. I could use that as that. Or I could say I was under the age of 10. And there were things that I couldn't understand, like these women throwing salt at our house and things like

that. My parents weren't good at explaining these things. So they tried to comfort me about the idea that these people think our house is haunted or whatever, but didn't really, they weren't, they weren't the best at like conflict resolution in that, in that way. Ghost conflict resolution. So I could have easily got it in my head that like, oh, I communicated with ghosts. I saw all this. For sure. But the real thing is I just didn't integrate the information I was having. I was half asleep when I saw that guy with a flaming axe, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. And I was probably playing some sort of computer game back then that had something similar to that. Maybe playing Castlevania or something like that. Yeah. Or like a doom or

whatever. Yeah. I wasn't allowed to play. You weren't allowed to play. Probably wasn't allowed to play Castlevania either. But I think I might have at a friend's house. Right. Right. Right. Either way. What about Diablo? No, definitely not. Definitely not. Whatever the case is, there is a rational explanation for even like the circumstances that you find. Like there's a path you can take that's stupid and a path you can take that is more real. And he's taking a stupid path here. And it's unfortunate because it is like, you know, he is a kid who's plagued by nightmares. Yeah. And it's unfortunate that he is allowing these fantasies. He allowed these fantasies to take root in such a serious way. Right. Right. So this is just the beginning.

I like the idea of a house hunting show on HDTV that is just for like really discounted houses because they were haunted. That would be a really fascinating show. Yeah. From what I understand, I don't remember. I don't know fully if this is the case, but like from what I understand, after we moved out and moved to Missouri, that the house was again, like no one moved in for like two years or something like that, because they just couldn't get anyone to go in. I don't know. Look, the point is, we all choose our paths in life. And so we'll get back to some of his path. But before we do, I told you that he moved around a bunch. Yes. Through these countries. And you were suspecting that he's selling honey or something like that. He's now just running from

ghosts, I assume. Nope, it's not. He's running towards women. Why did you have to go to Germany just out of curiosity? I had a girlfriend there. And so basically, I just moved there and was closer to her place. But you still were in the French services? Yes. So did you have a long time there? I only stayed there for about 10 months. And then I went back to France. I broke my arm at the end, just a few weeks before the end of my service, because what happened is I enjoyed so much that she enlisted. And I broke my arm during a training and I went back to France. And that's when I met my future wife three days later. So that's pretty much what happened. And I came back to Germany and broke my contract and I moved to England because that's where she's from.

So within like 11 months, he moves to Germany for a woman, breaks his arm, gets out of the service, meets a woman in France, then moves to England for her. That's not a stable person. That's that's a that's that to me is really like questionable behavior. I understand moving for like a lover. I totally do. Yeah, you know, if you have nothing, I don't understand you saying lover, that's no, that's no good. But like if you if you have nothing tying you down necessarily to one geographical location and somebody else you care about is somewhere else, why not? Why not try and like start a life that if it's if it's all appropriate now doing that twice in a year is a little bit much that that tends to mean to me. It's not only that you have no ties to the geographical

location you started in. Yeah, it's that you have no ties to anything. You have you are just a leaf in the wind being blown around. Like, Hey, I like this lady. I'm going to Germany. That's fun. Fuck it. I broke my arm. This is over. I'm going to England. It doesn't it doesn't sound good because it seems like he's fulfilling all of our stereotypes about French people where he's just weak and pleasure loving just going around the world just I live in Germany now and I think we might need a new French stereotype which is beholden to dumb ideas that sound slightly more legitimate because of an accent. So we get back now to his his youthful paranormal, I guess, activity. Yeah, he was we've heard that there was a haunted shed and he could talk to ghosts, but he was also having

visions back then, back when he was younger. And I think the timeline of these visions is interesting. And I think he gives up a little too much information. Well, okay, when did the vision start? Because you saw the ghost, but what age approximately would you know? Around 12 years old. Okay. And it carried on. It increased in rates until the age of like 16. Okay. And after that, you know, it kind of quiet down a bit. And when I met my wife, it completely disappeared because I blocked it off for 10 years. So the first thing there at the end is there's a voluntary aspect to it. There is a piece of it where he can block these visions for 10 years. Sure. He has a lot of mental fortitude. Well, we'll get to why they came back in the next clip. But when I got a divorce,

what nope, when I hear from 12 to 16, it was terrible and uncontrollable at 12. And at 16, it's subsided. I hear that this might be a hormonal issue. Do you think you might have something to do with puberty? What's going on? Who has ever had interesting emotional issues when they're going in the years 12 to 16? I think it's very common. You have a pubescent crisis a little bit in terms of the changing hormonal levels. There's a lot of stress that accompanies that. It's very simple to look at this and be like, I would say based on that timeline, the fact that they magically subsided around 16, I just hear this is a product of like misintegrated information that you took in from these traumatizing nightmares that you had as a child and then the hormonal shifts that

happened at puberty. So far, I hear nothing that I'm going to believe is real. No, this is not out of the ordinary at all. I don't like it when people bring in ghosts and aliens. Because now I have to ask the questions. Do ghosts know aliens? Can go see aliens? Are there alien ghosts? Ostensibly, if aliens have treated Earth as a battleground, many aliens have died on Earth. Why has nobody seen an alien ghost? I positive someone on Project Camelot has. I'm positive there's some episodes that we just had. I'm positive one of these Sebastian Martin episodes might have something to do with that. I've only listened to two of the three of them. So I don't know. But so he says that he can start controlling them, you know, like blocking them off. When he

got married to his wife, he was able to block them off for 10 years. But they do come back. And this is what even further solidifies in my mind that this is stress related, because here is when they came back. That is my wife got pregnant in 2009. And for 10 years while being married with her, I decided to block my visions because I had to respect her wishes for not, you know, basically being frightened by what was happening this other side. And she was frightened that I may see her dead or being separated or something. So by respect of her, I decided to block my visions off for 10 years. And when she became pregnant, my visions came back in full force. And I used to have like three visions per day. And it was very disturbing because I was not

really used to it anymore. And after 10 years, I was, you know, growing my business. And I was very busy with employees who, you know, had no clue about what was going on. So he has this honey business that's been growing. And he's, you know, on the cusp of getting this honorable mention award, like it's a, you know, it's a real business that he's still like, even if it isn't as big as he's like insinuating, it's still a lot of pressure. You still have employees. You're responsible for getting this damn honey out. You got to, you got to scold the bees if they're lazy. There's a lot of work that goes into this. And then on top of that, his wife gets pregnant, which is a life changing experience. A lot of people, there's a real blowhardy thing

that I've had a couple of friends who have had kids say like, everything changes. Everything changes. The new dad speech. Right. Absolutely. And I, you know, there's a blowhard aspect to it, but I also don't think that it's not sincere or real. Like it does. You have a new life here that is your, like your responsibility. That thing will die without you. Right. That is a, that is a crazy thing to have to wrestle with out of nowhere because the news or whatever of it, it almost always is like, you know, they weren't pregnant and now they are, you know, there's a, there is a pivotal shift. Right. And it causes a lot of stress in people. So if you have a story where from 12 to 16,

a time when your hormones are, you know, out of whack and there's a highly stressful period for people growing up, you have all these visions after that, they subside, you block them once you get married entirely for, uh, you know, all this time, then a new highly stressful life change happens and all of a sudden they come back. I'm seeing a pattern. I don't understand. I know. I don't know what you're talking about. I understand. I'm just saying that you're saying to me that during puberty, he has these visions and that coincides with his hormonal changes. And then after his brain is fully formed right around 25 to 27, he settles down,

he gets married and he doesn't really have that much stress anymore and he's much happier about his life. And then he has a big life change, reasserting the same hormonal stress that he's had before. And all of a sudden he's going back to having visions. I have an alternate explanation, Dan, alien ghosts could be, they're following him around. It's a possibility. Yeah. Um, so, you know, I, I have, I have my feelings about this or maybe the real, but anything could be true. No, that's not true. So as a child, he had these visions and Kerry wants to get into what these visions were about. And they're very conveniently inconsequential and only related to people he knew as a child. So there's no way we could verify anything. And he's not specific

about any of them. So that's super convenient. But I actually wanted to go back to when you were, you know, 12 or that age and a little later, you said between 12 and 16, you were having visions, right? Yes. So how were the visions characterized at that time? Like if you could sort of talk about them with, were they premonitions? So do you think of future events? No, no, no, no, it was, it was mostly involving me, people I knew, not so much future events on account. It was not like, you know, apocalyptic in any sort of way. It was very basic. So would you know something before it happened? Yes, many times. So then you could see the future. Oh, yes. Yes. And no things about people around you, perhaps? Yes. Yeah. And that was very, very clear. And he

became part of my life. Did you share that with your mother? You didn't even tell me back then? No, no. Oh, you didn't even, even until recently, I was adamant to even talk about the interaction that had with Zor to her because she doesn't really believe in aliens. So none of this can really be tracked back in any meaningful way, you know, like, be like, Oh, I had a premonition that Pete was going to skin his knee on the playground or something like that. Like, what? All right, whatever. Yeah. Maybe a hunch. Maybe you had a hunch. Maybe a hunch. Maybe you had an active imagination. Whatever. Steve has been acting recklessly for a while. Sooner or later, he's going to fall and hurt himself. Right, right. So

these are all ultimately very localized predictions and inconsequential, it appears. So I don't know. I have nothing. I got nothing to go on with that. But he does say that he didn't want to tell his mom about Zor, because she doesn't believe in aliens. Now that would lead you to believe that maybe his family is like a completely rationalist family, and that they, you know, they, you know, they don't, they don't cut into this nonsense. She believes in ghosts. She doesn't. Well, she believes in something. So I think that another essential element of these sorts of things, like for these sorts of beliefs to really latch on, especially in childhood, it's important that you have a source of information that you have to have some, like you can, like if my parents

had believed in ghosts or something like that, there's a decent chance I would have believed the house was haunted too. Because at that time, I would have relied on this authority figure in my parents, and they believe that this is real. Why should I not believe it's real? So I need to find a piece from Sebastian Martin's life that is concrete enough that indicates to me that there's wackiness afoot. And let me tell you, there's more than one. Oh, boy. In his next clip, he talks about his grandma. Oh, no, his grandma had a vision of the Virgin Mary. Oh, no. So what about like grandparents? Did you ever have a grandparent or other people, you know, who had visions or share, you know, nothing like that? What happened was my grandmother on my mother's side was,

she had cancer in many places. And she was one of the miracle of lords, you know, cancer in Germany. And she's actually been twice on the Vatican's list on the real miracles of the Vatican. And so she was about to die. She was driven in a wheelchair to the grotto. And this was back when half was still alive. She turned cathedrics, cathedric after that. She was Protestant to begin with. And how old was she at this time when this happened? Probably in the thirties, I would say. Oh, fairly young. Yes, fairly young. And she's still alive today. Really? Yes. She's very resilient. Look at you girls just gaping. And I'm still in touch with her, but she had these profound experiences multiple times. And again, just related to religion.

And I was not a religious person. So I kind of discarded it as being relevant in any way. But did you hear the stories when you were a child? If I heard the stories. No, did you hear, you know, the stories about your grandmother? Or did your grandmother tell you? I don't believe that. You can say that he only heard those stories later. I don't believe that if you have a grandmother who's 30 at 30 years old, sees the Virgin Mary at the grotto in the Vatican, and then becomes a Catholic out of nowhere when she was Protestant before, that's going to be a piece of your family's lore. That's not something that she's going to talk about that all the time. You better believe it. So is your mom. Like it's going to be, it's

going to be something that people I mean, even, even if Vatican has certified multiple miracles involving your grandmother, I want to know, I want to know where they put out those lists, because apparently they put them out annually, annually. Okay. Yeah. And two, you could, you would have to just be like, Hey, bum, why are we Catholic? And she'd be like, well, your mom, your grandmother, and there's no way knows the Pope. And there's no way her being 30 would be after he's 12. Yeah, exactly. It's happened before. I just don't believe the French are weird, man. I don't believe it that like, there'd be like this huge, like, I would say nationally important, internationally important, globally important event that happens in your grandmother's life.

And then your mom would be like, Hey, don't tell the kid about that until he's 25, or whatever. There's no way some of my grandpa's fishing has wound up in family lore. And he is, he's zero miracles. It's crazy. Families have a way of mythologizing their own, their own past. There's a there's an oral tradition within families. And there's no way that something this important wouldn't be a piece of it. So he can say that he didn't know until later. But I just, I find that to be beyond credulity. They are, this is one family trait that I have seen throughout this family now, modesty. None of them want to look, she doesn't want to brag. Oh, sure. He was the CEO of an international company, but he's not going to put it on his LinkedIn page. That's just,

that's just over it. She's been on miracles lists twice, listicles. Yeah. So that's the grandma. And now we talk about his mom a little bit. His mom was in a really bad car accident, and she survived, but also apparently died in the car accident. Okay. And when she died, she had a little bit of an experience. Okay. They always do that left her very changed moving forward. And so when she died, she went through this tunnel and she saw a body, you know, over the table. And, and when she went through the tunnel, she saw those white beings. And she told me that when she talked to them, that they said, this is not your time. You're supposed to be coming back because your time is not ready yet. And so she came back and, and she came back with the healing,

you know, capacity of, you know, putting her hands close to the person and removing the major burns of people. And she never promoted it. She was broke. She never had money from it. I give her money myself to sustain herself now in retirement. But she, she never really made a fuss about it. So her mom, his mom died in a car accident and went to the white light. It turns out these are archangels that she met. Okay. And they tell her her work's not done, send her back to earth now with the healing powers that she can heal people with her touch. I would like to know what level she is and how many, like, does she roll from a D six to see how many HP that she returns to people with their severe burns? Like, what are we talking

about here? I don't fully know like the timeline on this. I don't think that's all that clear, but I assume this is some part of his grandma, couple miracles, mom, healing hands. Died came back with healing and CEO of a honey company. I don't know. I gotta, I gotta bump up my story. Yeah, no kidding. My lineage is really outclassing me. Gonna need to have met Zor. Zor in my life. Yeah. So at this point, we've seen a bit of like that the elements are all there. The family history of sort of grandiose, giant normal type stuff. We see the timeline of this like matching up with highly stressful life events. Yeah. And now he gets to another stressful life event that's towards the end of his youthful

visions. And again, this just looks terrible. When I was 16, I had that she had a lot of things happening. I was in a private school and my dad sent me off there and I was in a boarding school. So I basically interacting with both and girls and I was there for Monday to Friday. And I said, during classes, I had automatic writing. I could just write like a foreign language or like a native language from top to bottom and left to right. And I had no idea what that meant, but it was, they were not Euroglyphs or Chinese language. It was kind of a mix of everything, but it was hard to, and I had books filled with this. And because I traveled so much, my dad, when he moved away throughout everything that I owned. So I basically lost all of that,

even the art, you know, all the stuff that I had, it's gone. Incredible. Yeah. We just had a curiosity. Can you do this writing now? No. I could recognize you that I could never do it. Okay. So it's 16. I filled notebooks full of all the languages of the world that I automatically wrote, but unfortunately my dad threw it all away and now I can't do it anymore. His dad and he do not have a good relationship. Doesn't seem like it. No. And that may also have contributed to his visions from 12 to 16. Could be. I think it would be too hard for us to speculate just based on the information

that we have, but it does seem like it's interesting that he's casting his dad in terms of the story as the one who has precluded him from proving his story. Yeah. It's a negative thing, whereas the mom and grandmother are both pitched as like heroic elements in the story. Right. So that is an interesting trend. Now, I would say that even if these notebooks hadn't been thrown away, they still don't prove anything. No. They, you know, I can't, you can't look at a notebook and just be like, oh, he just automatically wrote that. Yeah. Do you know what that tells me? He is very much like the 16 year old who suddenly starts wearing a hat all the time.

Interesting. You know, it's, this is clearly his affectation of like, oh, look at me, I can automatically write all of this stuff. I am an interesting person despite my complete lack of personality. I think that there's a, there's something to that. And I think it's reinforced by this next clip where he discusses how he learned to astral travel in order to impress a girl at his school. Something. And I was trying to impress her. And I said, look, you know, I did meditation, transcendental meditation with my mother, because she does love Buddhism. And I did that since the age of nine. And so I said, I would like to do a test, you know, an experiment with you. And I would like you to place an object on your night table

and two more morning and we'll tell you what it is. And I never did it before, but I felt confident that I could do it. And so the same night I went to my bedroom and I was on my own. I laid down on the bed and instead of sitting down when you do transcendental meditation and repeating a mantra, I was just laying down. And what I was focusing on was the bedroom of the girl. We'll get back to this here in a second. But the idea that he's just sort of tossing in that his mom taught him how to transcendental meditate at age nine is not unimportant. Because that means his mom was into that younger. And, you know, without getting into libelous territory or slander, a lot of people believe that transcendental meditation is kind of a cult. And also, there have been some people

have reported that it can be like a kind of dangerous practice, especially for children. That's sort of like just because it is just repeating a mantra over and over and over again for like 20 minutes in your head. And it can take you into some self trans hypnotic states. Like it is, it is something that an unformed brain, it could be dangerous for them to engage in. So we have this his mom's teaching it to him at nine. And then he goes off to this boarding school and he's doing it on his own without any kind of guidance. I think that there's some dangerous elements in there. But he wants to impress this girl. So he gets into his meditative state and Astrali travels into her bedroom. And that's what I was aiming for. And I basically came out

to my body and I could feel I was going forward very fast in a black tunnel. And all of a sudden, I was above a night table. And I could see three objects, not just one, the three. And I described them as like a pendant and necklace. And there was a ring, sorry, a ring and a necklace around it. And so it was into interlaced. And it was also like a not not bad on the side with different color shades on the side. Very detailed. Get out of my fucking room. And I was in a tunnel vision. And as soon as I finished seeing it, I just came back into my body. When I opened my eyes, I was sweating profusely and I was out of breath. And he really scared me. You for real broke into around for a while. And but then at the end, I said, I did it. And I was just happy to,

I couldn't wait to go back in the morning and tell the girl what I've seen. So I did that. And when I saw her, you know, she freaked out. I would do broken a house asshole. It's not a house. I think they're dorms. Oh, yeah. But there's still a chance he could have like looked in her window or something like that. Yeah, like nothing that he's describing. Like, if that story is even real, I don't believe that it proves that he astrally traveled. Nope. And then furthermore, even if he wasn't like peeping in her window, a necklace and a ring and a pendant, that's not like really high end predictions for like a teenage girl to have on her nightstand. The idea that he's like, you have jewelry. That's not like, if it was something

fucked up, like something really weird that was on her nightstand, then at least it would be like, wow, how'd you, how'd you, how'd you know that you must have been peeping in the window. This could have also just been a good guess. Yeah. So nothing here is nothing here proves any of this stuff. And it almost certainly, and it very easily could have turned into that, that medium con man kind of thing where he's telling her small bits of information and she's giving him larger bits of information back. Suggestive conversation. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of which, Sebastian then gets mixed up with someone who might have been doing that to him. And that is a hypnotherapist. Oh, no. So he's into TM at nine and then he goes to a hypnotherapist.

Well, this is now we flash into adulthood. This is the most suggestible human being. So we get into adulthood and he goes to a hypnotherapist that teaches him about the idea of having like self hypnotized, just sort of a meditative kind of thing. It's not always nefarious or super weird. There are, you know, some sort of therapeutic benefits. But one of the big therapeutic benefits is it's good at dealing with anxiety, good with dealing with severe stress, which might be part of what caused or precipitated these visions and all that stuff to begin with. So it doesn't surprise me at all that he starts talking about this self hypnosis, this hypnotherapist that he went to. And after he started to go to them, the vision stopped being upsetting again. Gotcha.

There is also also a sort of a strange thing that years later, you going to this hypnotist or clinical psychologist, and you're asking to be have it either the visions removed or controlled. And yet at the same time, you did learn transcendental meditation. So you knew how to meditate. And she learned, she taught you how to do self hypnosis. That's correct. Not a big difference between meditation and self hypnosis. I mean, was there really something she thought you didn't know or it's just a technique really? Yeah. You know, and did you feel it worked? Yes. Oh, yes. I was able to control my visions and have them on demand. Which is something I stopped doing very shortly because I got bored out of it. And I just got bored of it. The visions come to me

as they were before. I see. I wasn't really that frightened by it anymore. And since then, to be honest with you, I didn't really suffer from the anxiety and stress that I used to have back in 2010. So I feel much more comfortable with it now. There's so many red flags and just like the things that he's saying and the way he's describing his path through these visions and stuff like that, that it's really irresponsible for Carrie, whether or not she believes him. Because I know that she tries to pretend like all I do is I talk to whistleblowers and then you can decide if they resonate with you or not. Yeah, you know, like I'm not saying that Eddie Page really is a Pleiadian, even though I keep having him on my show and reinforcing his narratives and

stuff like that. I'm not saying that you guys got to decide that sort of shit. If she had any like interest in the truth, even if she believes in aliens at the secret space program and all that, she had any interest in the truth. She would be like, this story that you're telling me is really upsetting because you're clearly describing a timeline through your life of highly stressful, anxious situations leading to you having delusions that you are talking to aliens and what have you. Now you're talking to me about going to see this hypnotherapist and afterwards your stress and anxiety that you felt about all this went away and you were able to integrate the information that you're experiencing. Excuse me, Sebastian, I have Occam's razor

for you. I purchased it at an auction. She should want to call this out because if she doesn't, it looks like she's supporting it and that hurts her larger argument about aliens in space because this is a piece of it and she's had him on three times to talk about this shit. She can't do that. No, of course she can't, but that indicates to me a lack of seriousness, of course, but also a lack of interest even in the goal that she professes to be interested in. Right. No, the reason that she can't do that is not, is just more like these ghost, these dumb people, if they find out that if they go on her show, she might challenge them and get their ass kicked, they're not going to go on her show. No, and then the concept becomes a lot less interesting. Yeah, especially because

if she starts challenging one asshole, it's got to be every asshole and none of them can stand up to scrutiny. No, not really, not really, but the reason that I bring it up is that like I do empathize with the situation that Sebastian Martin is describing. Oh yeah. I don't like how he's deciding to go about his life in terms of writing a book about being like friends with aliens and shit. I don't think that's helpful, but I do empathize with him, you know, in the same way that you see this, this image of somebody who's like clearly working a con now. Yeah, but you know, was a terrified child having nightmares of a like haunted shed when he was younger. Poor relationship with his dad. You do empathize with the story and it's irresponsible for people around him to humor this

stuff. You know, yeah, I don't think you should like, like if you if I was friends with him, I don't think it would be right to be like, huh, you're a fucking idiot, you don't believe in aliens. You know, it's not right to abuse him about this stuff, but it's equally abusive. Just be like, Oh man, tell me about Zor. Isn't it cool that you went on a spaceship? Like that's not okay. That's that's just as harmful. That's such that's such one of those situations where if your mom and grandma weren't both fucking like performing miracles left and right, you would have just gone to a normal psychiatrist instead of a hypnotherapist. But it is interesting. I think you can still hear there that he did get some modicum of benefit. Yeah, of course. So there is still a therapeutic

element to this. Unfortunately, larger untherapeutic relationship they have because this hypnotherapy set these sessions end up leading him towards recovering memories of being on which is one of the problems with these like sort of regression therapies and things like that. There's suggestions that are easily implantable in brick not it's not always like the therapist trying to do that, but it's it's a really it's a it's a minefield to navigate and most people can't do those sorts of things responsibly. You end up walking away with it with false memories that because of the regression hypnotherapy, you validate and now think are actually real. Well, there was the there's the famous daycare people who there's tons of yeah, there's tons of that. Yeah. So

he goes to this this this hypnotherapy and he he ends up figuring out that at 16 he was taken up to a spaceship by aliens. Of course. And he's there. He's on the ship and he sees himself as a baby. So he's a six month old version of himself. Sure. And he's going to describe that here in a second, but he also sees a couple of aliens arguing with each other. And so the hypnotherapist tells him, what are they arguing about? He's like, I don't know. So she asks him to ask the aliens what they're arguing about. And so we jump in and we see what happens. Oh, no, I'm sorry. The aliens tell him, we can't touch you because you've been tampered with. And he doesn't understand what that means. Right. And then immediately he blacks out.

Because I blacked out from that scene. And I went backwards. And when I opened my eyes, I was in the body of a six month old baby. And I was in a cylinder with a glass dome. There was like a omega symbols on the seam to almost like, you know, clench the glass with the metal. And there was a black liquid inside that was organic. It was, it had intelligence, but it was not, it didn't feel like AI. It felt like silk. But it was basically covering my body. And through the glass, I saw two tall play aliens that were about seven feet tall. The tall gradients were also about seven feet tall. And so not like the five, you know, feet that you can wear the little ones there as well. No, just the tall ones. Just the tall ones.

And so when I, when I saw the play aliens, they were wearing exactly the same blue uniform as Zoho when I saw him in my living room. But they had that upside down triangle on their chest. And the man had a beard and he had a sort of a helmet on that we still see his hair. He had a beard and it was like a curly hair and a curly beard a bit. And he had a trident symbol on his forehead. And the woman was next to him and she was as tall as he was. And they were both very fit. And they were very stern as well. They looked at me and there was no real emotion. I couldn't see, I couldn't feel any emotions, right, you know, coming out of them. And I described this within a few seconds.

And it really started me. And that's when I, it kind of shocked me a bit because I knew that I was no longer imagining it. It was so clear. You knew that that was yourself. You were that big. Yes, when I was six months old. Yes. So he had, I am space Poseidon. Earlier in this episode, he talks about how he had a skin condition when he was born. Yeah. It was like a really bad thing. And that it healed when he was six months old or something like that. He's very nonspecific with what the condition was. So I have no fucking idea. But now through this hypnotherapy stuff, he is recovering memories of being a six month old taken up by the Pleiadians who healed his skin condition, which is dubious, I would say. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Why is that?

He was either, is either aliens, which could have been, could have been, or it was medicine, cream, could have been, could have been any of these things are possible. He was only six months old. So he wouldn't really, yeah, I don't know, even if that black liquid is the issue that's, it could, it's still cream. I mean, I imagine that what you're seeing expressed is that his mom over the course of his life had told him that like you were born with this condition and we were really scared. We didn't know if you would survive. We didn't know if you would heal. And he has like really overbuilt it up in his head that it's like a deadly super horrible, like flesh eating bacteria kind of thing. And that he was saved at the 11th hour by these aliens.

Right. As opposed to it being like, yeah, it was scary. You were born with this condition, but medicine took care of it. Like there's a way, there's a way that this is also a piece of family lore being exaggerated and misunderstood by a child. So I still don't hear anything that I think is real. That's all I'm saying. What were the, the aliens are just arguing like, I didn't want to adopt a child. What are you doing? I think it'll be good for us. I think it'll be good for us. Our marriage is falling apart. It turns out actually he, he is an alien. Okay. We'll get to that. Of course. He's a hybrid or something like that. Of course. Of course. Of course. And he's also part ghost. Yes. Naturally. We all are. To a certain degree. To a certain extent. Yeah.

So he has these memories and he, you know, he experiences all this in the therapy and Carrie asks him if like he'd read any stuff about aliens and all this shit before he had these experiences and he's like, no, absolutely not. I don't like any of that stuff. And then later in the episode, he starts talking about all these fucking alien books and stuff like that's like, wait a second, you did read all this stuff because it's not like he says, I didn't read any of that. But then afterwards I was so interested that I dug in and read all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He says, I'm not interested in any of that nonsense. I only want to talk about what my experience is. And based on the fact that he's referencing like Stephen

Greer later in the episode and things like that, it's like, hold on, man, you are interested in this. Yeah. So you're lying about not being interested in order to present the idea that all of this information just comes from me. Of course. And I'll believe that. Because he can't have read all of those books. His information lines up really closely with those books. It makes it suspicious to be like, hmm, maybe you're just wrong. Right. In the same way that he can't have known about his grandma's Vatican certified miracles earlier in life or else that would call into question. Where would you get these sorts of ideas from? Right. It's there. So after this, he's hanging out. He's chilling. Yeah, just running their honey business. What are you going to do?

And so Zor comes back. Zor revisits him with a vengeance. No, vengeance, just an invitation. Why don't you come on my spaceship? Why is Zor five feet tall and the other alien seven feet tall? I'm not that's something I'm literally not interested in. There are certain details that I'm just, I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit at all. So Zor comes back and is like, Hey, buddy, why don't you come joyride with me in the spaceship? And Sebastian's like, I don't know if I can do that. He's very scared to go on the spaceship. You fucking asshole. So basically, when I was in my house again, and Zor came back again, the same way he did physically and said, I would have you not to come with me on the spacecraft. And I didn't like that. I didn't want

to. And I said, no, I'm sorry, but I think I stay home. And so you guys are rolling my fucking mouth. Even if I was, you know, telling him that there was not coming in. And I then contacted the hypnotherapist and I said, I would like to, you know, be regressed to maybe welcome the idea of going on the spaceship, you know, with Zor, if he welcomed me, and we see what that, what it is. So she kind of led me through that. That's not good. I would say that like a licensed, real hypnotherapist probably wouldn't accept a session where someone was like, hey, this alien dude just invited me on my space on his spaceship, but I was a little bit nervous and scared of that. So I'd like to come in and do a session where I make peace with the idea of

going on Zor's spaceship. Yeah, I would say that's an ethical. That's great. I'm sorry. That sounds really tough. I am going to have to triple my usual hourly rate. So it'll be about 300 bucks. I did say a licensed, credible, ethical hypnotherapist. So that would, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I just hear, I hear either this hypnotherapist is made up or like it's just someone real shady. Yeah. Real shady. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But who knows what the reality is? Either way, he goes in to try and make peace with space. Why are you looking at me like this? I'm just, I'm just, okay, he's just going to go make peace with space. So it works. He goes, still pissed off that he didn't take that trip with Zor. He does though. Oh, he does. But he does it

through the hypnotherapy. He ends up making peace with it and getting up to that spaceship. And when he does, he finds out what his mission is. So what happened was, I felt like I was elevated up in a like a shaft of some sort. And the doors open up. And what you're talking about walked out. He was right there greeting me. And in the background, I can't dig it. The same tall man and woman when I was six months old, that Zor is a bad mother, you know, grabbed me and then led me to see them. And when I was he tall also, oh, yeah, yeah, same same height. And when I see she's interested in how people saw more like six, six, two, six, three. So he wasn't that high. He wasn't that tall. I don't think I think about just the reason that they care about heights is that different alien

races have like different sorts of heights characterizing them. Right. And so like Pleiadians are taller. And they're the good ones or whatever. Greys are usually shorter and they're nefarious little henchmen. So like that that's why she cares. But it's also why I don't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it wasn't that that tall. No. But the parents, the his parents were so the the man and the woman and Zora parents. And when they when they saw me, we held you when you were six months old, what a man started to argue like telepathically with Zor. They were on a on the platform higher up. And when we walked up that way, and he basically Zor argued with his dad and and he said, he's already know what he's doing here. He's not supposed to be here. And and Zor

said, No, I think he's ready. We need to share information with him or something. I don't quite record exactly what I what I said. But that's when you were here now, address me, look me up, look me in the eye and and said, you know, you are supposed to be living a life of, you know, basic life on earth of emotions, die and come back to us. That was it. And I said, Okay, I don't know what's going on. But okay, whatever you say. And then he said, but now your mission has changed. And you're supposed to be going back to earth and awaken the star seeds of the planet. Okay. But I had no clue what that meant. And that was the true soul message that arose from this conversation. Okay, okay, do awaken the star

seeds of the planet. Dude, that's your mission. Your job was to become a space ghost. All right. And now you're coming up to me. Guess what? You fucked up. You were going to have an easy life. But now you got to go back down there and awaken all them goddamn star seeds. Huh? You're going to be a honey impresario live a life of emotions. And then when you die, come back to your true form, which is as an alien. And we're going to put you on coast to coast AM. So you will be quite literally, I'm almost certain he has a space ghost coast to coast. I'm guessing he's been on coast to coast. But he so you know, I hear that and was like, Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Yeah. That's that's a mess. I don't like those aliens. Yeah, I don't like those aliens decision making

process. If they are giving out jobs left and right. Yeah, you can't do it on a dime, man. You should think about it. Nope. Have an interview. And so much of this, like, it just comes down to like, none, none of this can ever be confirmed. Like any of this stuff that he's allegedly capable of doing is conveniently I can't do that anymore. Like I can't automatically write another languages anymore. Because you know, if you had that ability, it'd be very confirmable. You don't know Mandarin, right? A sentence in Mandarin or something like that. Yeah, super easy to be like, Can you do it or you can't? I could do that when I was young. I can't do it now. Right. Astral travel. If that's real, it would be so easy to confirm. It would be so easy and no one can do it.

And sneaking into a woman's dorm is not the way you confirm astral travel. Right. In this case, maybe not going up to a spaceship and having them tell you you're supposed to awake and saw our seats. That's not easy to prove. But intentionally, so just this nonsense he experienced in these hypnotherapy sessions that I have, you know, some slight reason to believe maybe weren't carried out the most professionally. So I hate, I hate those. I hate that. Like, and now you are the only person who you're the most special person in the world. Right. It's narcissistic. If we, if we were taken up to, like if we started this whole thing and we were taken up to a spaceship, they, the mission would be like run a mildly successful podcast. Keep talking

sweet. All right. We can do that. I don't want to awaken star seeds, but mildly successful podcast hell yeah. So in this next clip, Kerry asks a very important question and that is how long were you in this hypnotherapy? Like how long did that go on for? And the question has an answer that is not as long as you'd think. How long did you go for actually getting these sessions going on? Probably over maybe a month and a half, two months, maybe. That's it. Yeah. Only a month or two months. I understand how we think so. He had other things to do. Jesus. I would say if you uncover that you as a baby were taken up into a spaceship and healed by Pleiadians and then got brought back

up and they told you that it was your mission to awaken the earth star seeds, I would say nothing else matters at that point. They did also say you don't have other things to do. They did also say that you think he wasn't supposed to be there. So maybe it's like, okay, cool. I'll respect their wishes. Why do I need to go back into that? That's a past tense sentence. You weren't supposed to be here, but now that you are, you are supposed to be here and you have a mission. Honey doesn't matter anymore. You have to like, and so that is him trying to be like present himself as a hyper rational person where it's like, I had other things to do. I had this, sure I had that experience or whatever, but I had other things to do. And he goes on to be like, look, yeah, I talked to Zor

and his parents. I talked to them. They told me it was my mission to awaken the star seeds. They didn't tell me what that meant. They didn't tell me any of that stuff. They didn't give me any help. So I just went back to my business. Like, that's kind of fair. No, it's not. No, I think that's fair. It implies you don't believe the story you're telling. No, yes. It implies that they're being dicks. No, it's like they gave you an impossible task. Well, fuck you. I'm running honey. No doubt it is a little bit of an ask. Yeah. It is a little bit like you're setting this guy up for failure. Yeah, that's rude. But at the same time, if you truly believe whatever you had experienced, like the idea that there are these aliens out there, and that you are super

important to their plan or whatever, I don't believe that the trivial matters of just a small to medium sized business would be like, I don't think that would get in the way of like, everything has changed. I now know that there's more in the universe than we think there's hidden realities. I'm a piece of it. I need to pursue this. I don't think it would take a few years for you to be like, yeah, let me get back to that mission. Maybe he's leaving off the second part of it. Maybe the mission was actually, I need you to awaken the star seeds by running a small to mid sized business. Well, do we know star seeds is a space slang for bees? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, you need to awaken the star seed bees. No, so he he poo poo's this mission and goes back to his business for a bit,

but then he sells the business and a little bit afterwards, he has some voices that tell him how to pursue his mission. In 2014, I heard a voice saying, you have to go to Manchester, you have to go to Manchester. And again, I was still working and I didn't know what to do with this. And so my, my wife just, you know, came back from surgery. She had a back surgery. Could have called your mom six months in the recovery process. And selfishly, I said to her, I'm sorry, but I need to go to Manchester. I have no idea why, but I have to go there. And she looked at me and said, are you joking? I said, no, no, you're not going. We're just in here. You're a shitty husband. Yeah, that's a little that is awful. She's

convalescing and you're the voice that said go to Manchester. And by the way, if you ever hear a voice that says you got to go to Manchester, don't listen to that voice. Are you sure? Yeah, positive. Why? Manchester is this place where like, it's sort of a mecca for new age, sort of pseudo spiritual weirdos. Okay. There's a, there's a lot of like paranormal activity that goes on there and sort of vague cult behavior is very associated with Manchester. Okay. So his wife is convalescing. Yeah. We know he has at least one kid. Yep. And at this very, very crucial time, he's like, I really don't want to be around you guys.

I don't think back surgery is like ever minor now. I mean, I guess there probably is a version of it, but if you have to heal for that long, it's probably something pretty serious. Yeah. But yeah, and again, it is, it's indicative called your mom with her healing hand. So it's true. But I think he already said though that only really works with burns. I'm not sure if he said it only works with burns, but that's what he did specify. That's true. But again, this fits the pattern that's been established that his wife had this surgery, she needs to heal up, you got a kid, that's a highly stressful period. So it makes sense that he would also then start experiencing the same symptoms that he had before, which are the uncontrollable, unintegratable versions of these

delusions. Yeah. And the delusion is manifested by a voice saying, go to Mount Shasta. I don't believe for a second that he doesn't know what Mount Shasta is at this point, though he will present like, I didn't know anything about it. I don't think so. It's a very huge piece of this new age alien world. So I think he has to know if you, well, even then your voice tells you to go to Mount Shasta, you got to find it. So you Google Mount Shasta, you're not just going to Google Maps Mount Shasta, you're going to look at one of the websites and it's going to be everything you need to know. Probably. But I think he probably knew before the supposed voice. I think that knowing about it precipitated the voice. Probably. Being like, oh, that seems like where I would find

the answers to the stuff that, and even Kerry gets into it, like, you're, you're not a young person, you've been, you know, you were alive, like you were around when close encounters came out, like you were alive when ET came out, these sorts of things is like, yeah, I saw those, but I just, you know, I did their movies, which I think is a real answer, but also a lot of those ideas about like Mount Shasta, very similar to close encounters. Okay, you know, like the idea that you have to go to this monolith, yeah, that sort of thing being drawn to this place where aliens commune, right, and things like that. So I don't, I don't believe that those ideas weren't already present in his head before his supposed auditory hallucination in 2014. Of course. So

he goes to Mount Shasta, and he leaves his wife. She agrees to let him go. Really don't like this. I don't like it at all. Really don't like this guy. This is a bad guy. It's he's not a great guy, it seems, but he goes to Mount Shasta. And one of the things that happens is he ends up at a lodge that is near base of the Mount or whatever. And there's a library there, and he finds a book about Mount Shasta that was written by someone who's around the area is the localish guy, localish author. And this guy found something real weird at Mount Shasta that sparks some curiosity in the part of Sebastian Martin. I was interested in history. And I said, Oh, what's the large about? And so she gave me a book about the history of the large and you know, who built it and so on.

And the local author, the author of the book was local. And when I read his book, local books mean local work to the book was him having an experience on the mountain on the north side, sorry, the south side of the mountain, where he went up there with his eight year old son, his dog. And he basically went up there and saw this Lemurian temple. And he could not really get into it. It was so powerful and and strange that he backed away and he just marked it marked the emplacement of it on the tree and went back home. And the next day when he went back on his own, the temple was gone. So I thought that was very interesting. And and I thought, I thought to myself, I need to contact this author. So he tries, uh, he finds the publisher of the book,

and he calls, he calls them in a miraculous act of coincidence timing. The person at the publisher was staying late after hours that day. So he was able to get in touch with them. And he tells them, I want to talk to the person who wrote this book about Mount Shasta. What can I do? And she's like, well, if you send me an email, I'll forward it to him. And if he wants to contact you, he will. So they go through that process. Five minutes later, he gets an email back from the author that was like, I'm in the area, I'll see you tomorrow morning. So he they get together. So the author is really busy. We don't, we don't know who this author is. He doesn't say his name. He doesn't say what the name of the book is. There's a lot of books about Mount Shasta. I have no

fucking idea who this dude is. He's probably lonely. Might also not be real. Who knows. Yeah. Yeah. So he meets up the next morning with this guy who wrote the book about Mount Shasta and he finds out this is an M Night Shyamalanian twist. Oh, no. That ends up happening. He wrote the book. I introduced myself to talking about my visions and briefly about what what I was and talking about his, his experience on, on mounting. And when I finished, he, you know, smiled and said, you know, Sebastian, I truly leave that experience. I went there with my eight year old son and my dog. And yes, I saw the tempo and the mark from the tree, but I never wrote it in my book. And I actually thought I was really reading it in his book. You know,

that's what I really truly believe. But I guess I was having a vision of him going there. It wasn't in the book. The whole story wasn't in the book, but the guy had lived it. Sebastian psychically saw him going and finding a Lemurian temple that disappeared the next day. So the author tells him, look, dude, go up there and you find your truth. And there is truth in them. They're Hills. You go up there. But eight, bro, don't go to the place where the Lemurian temple was. That thing disappeared. You're, you're not going to find it. You don't have no chance of seeing that. Right. I don't, they don't get into specifics of why the guy told him not to go to that. He says, go to the other side of the mountain. And he, his, his advice

that he gives Sebastian is look for the big rock. Dude, dude, the fucking mountain is a big rock asshole. Right. It's the kind of advice that leads you to think you found something no matter what you run into. Look for the big rock is like, that's a guaranteed way to make it so you don't not find something which is convenient. So here's a, he goes up the mountain and he finds a rock. That's nice. That's nice. Good. I like the story so far. Now you probably think, or I mean, one might think that this story ends with him going, finding the rock, interfacing with some Lemurians and figuring out what's going on, getting some real deep information. Well, I kind of think that this story should end sooner or later, but it doesn't seem to.

No, it just seems to keep going. All of the details in this story are long and boring and it kind of make him look like an asshole. Somehow are you are absolutely right. This is the most interesting, boring thing I've ever listened to. It drives me crazy. It's so interestingly boring. It takes forever. There's all the pieces of fascinating in it. You know, like there's ghosts, there's aliens, there's hypnotic regressions of going to spaceships, but it's a snooze. It's a really boring story. And man, he gets to Mount Shasta and he finds the rock and this is where I almost fell asleep because this story is such a zero. It is so crazy. I don't know why he's telling it. Legitimately, he could have just been like, I went to Mount Shasta. I saw a rock.

That's it. But instead he takes two minutes to speculate that maybe he saw some aliens in the distance. Oh boy. Just before I could touch the rock when I got there and nothing happened in between because, but you know, about safe. I could hear a deafening sound like something like really deafening and going down. I don't know what he was. I couldn't see anything. I looked around and you know, I stopped when that happened before I could touch the rock hoping that something would happen around, but nothing happens. And when I touch the rock, then the same deep voice says to me, okay, you are done. Go home. Okay. Is that it? So earlier in the story, as he's trying to find the rock, he finds a rock and a voice in his head that has a booming deep voice says,

not that rock idiot or something like that. There's another rock. So he goes and he finds the other rock. And now after he's touched this rock, the same voice tells him, you're good. Cool. You're good. Cool. Get out of here. Excuse me, voice. Am I going to get reimbursed? So I walked around the rock and went on my bottom size and went up to the original point where I started walking towards the rock and I waited and nothing happened. So I looked around because I felt observed all the way and even from the parking lot, I felt observed, but it was increasing me becoming more, you know, heavy. Yeah. Okay. And so when I looked on the, on one of the peaks on the horizon and the wind was blowing and everything else, I could see three flags that

looks like flags and they were, they look like Tibetan flags, you know, those long ones. Yeah. And yeah, right, right. When I looked closer, I just realized they were silhouettes. They were beings, but they were taller than average humans. And I kept looking and they were where your average bear either looked around. See if there were any more beings because again, what I was looking at them, I could feel that, you know, maybe other beings were looking at me from behind. So I looked up and there was nobody and I put my gaze back on that peak and the flags or the robes basically were gone. The beings were gone. And so I waited and waited, nothing happened. Had my lunch there, late lunch and back down to Manchester. They made me push my

lunch back, which is very annoying. Back down and that same voice said to me as I was hiking down, said to me, and by the way, never come back. And I felt like, why are you so mean to me? I'm a very nice guy. You are not. I left my wife. You just left your wife alone with a backfuckings. Oh, God, touch a rock. I don't know if the rock touching has any significance to his story either. Like if it was the rock that would have, if it was Dwayne Johnson, that would be a significant. That'd be a way better story too. I just watched the Hobbs and Shaw trailer yesterday. So good. Very excited. That's going to be great. Yeah. Idris Elba is bulletproof. Literally. Oh, superhuman powers. Love it. So look, dude,

that story, it stinks. Even for like a project Camelot story, that is like, that is so underwhelming. Yeah, I went to Mount Shasta. I imagined that a voice was telling me to touch this rock. I touched the rock. I may have seen a flag in the distance and decided it was an alien. And then look, dude, it's just everything, everything fits the pattern and the voice was like a bartender in the, in the old West like, and never come back here. I think that that's probably just a manifestation of his own thoughts of like, this was disappointing. Don't come back here. This was, why did I do this? Yep. There's a disappointment in it. Cause I saw some flags that maybe I could say were aliens that

disappeared or something like that. But I don't get anything out of this story. The only reason he can afford this is because of socialized healthcare. I think that's the real lesson here. He could afford it because he didn't have to pay for his wife's back surgery. So this episode could end up being three and a half fucking hours long if we just talked about everything that he talks about. But at this point, it's kind of like, we got it, dude. Yeah. He ends up talking to some Lemurians. Eventually they tell him about the history of Lemuria. All right. It was destroyed by the Pleiadians. Bummer. Yep. I thought the Pleiadians were the good guys. It turns out there's more to the story than you think. They are in an alliance with the

Greys. Oh, so they're the bad guys. Well, the reptilians are the bad guys. God damn it. It's very complicated. I cannot get I cannot keep this all in my head. I tried to keep track of it, but I legitimately couldn't care less. I was sure I was like, Oh, those are the battle lines, huh? Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. So Lemuria was destroyed by the Pleiadians. And then Atlantis was destroyed by some sort of natural cataclysm or something like that. Kerry kind of disagrees. She believes that Atlantis was destroyed by these evil aliens who directed a meteor at it, which the aliens do regularly. Jesus. They have a habit of controlling meteors. Well, the Anunnaki come into play at some point. They're talking about Anlil and Enki.

But that's nice because that did do find a Sumerian temple. Probably. At some point he found a rock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a good rock. Yeah. He got a way better rock than our boy Sebastian. Sebastian starts speculating about how the allegory of the cave and Plato's work was given to him by aliens. Jesus. I'm like, I'm out. I'm out. I've heard enough of you. I can see, I can see a clinical diagnosis for why your life has gone the paranormal route that it has. And then the stories that you actually have of going to experience these things really boring are a zero and Kerry's like, I'm going to need you. I'm going to need to have you back for a couple more episodes because this story, let me help promote your book dynamite.

So we have two more clips left and this next one's a little bit longer, but I think it's important. And in this, we learned that there is a new group of ethereal beings that Sebastian has started talking to recently. A super group, if you will. They're super and they are a group. Yeah. But they're not as good as the highway men. No. No. So you had the visitation by what you call archangels? Well, could archangels, but they, yeah, those beings just appeared in September of last year. And once again, they just showed up in my living room. I have a six, 17 feet high ceiling, almost like a pyramid shape ceiling. And I always had strange, you know, experiences there. But I was just again, just checking my phone, not really paying attention to the invitation or

anything else. I was just like checking, you know, posts saying it on Twitter and the energy changed in the room at 1030 at night. And I felt it was an electrical charge, very, you know, heavy. And I knew something was going to be expensive with a roof like that. Whatever reason, I sent a message to my mother and I said, how do you communicate with archangels? I mean, I don't even, I don't care about archangels. Like I said, I'm not a religious person. And when my mother said to me that she was using archangels and angels to help patients instead of using the regular Reiki methods. Right, right. Of course. But it doesn't really ring anything to me. I just don't care. And so when I saw myself writing this, what is this? What am I doing this for? But still,

I was in communication with her and, and I was insisting on it. I was actually insisting on it for half an hour, at least, you know, and then she kept taking me, oh, it can wait. I come, I would tell you, you know, I would give you some advice and, and when I come for your birthday and, and all of that. And I said, no, no, I really need to know how, you know, I need to have one protocol right now. I need to know that. And I had no idea why I was writing this, but I kept insisting. And then all of a sudden, at 1111, the beings make a wish, our casual beings showed up in my living room and they materialize at the same time. And they were transparent. I could see them, I could see through them, but they had very piercing eyes and they had white hair, long hair

with white robes. And they had a porcelain skin, age less people. I couldn't tell if they were 500 years old or, you know, 20 years old. It was very hard to say, but they each had different features and very slender, you know, men, I guess they were men. And they, they, they didn't really introduce themselves to me. That's patriarchal. It was me with an open book. He was the only one with an open book while the others observed. And as he was, their books were close, I really, you know, was not really feeling comfortable with it. And my mother was still on the phone, by the way. Can you imagine that? And so he was, I was on the sofa and he was right there. He was right next to me. And with the open book in his hands. And he kept looking at me and almost like saying, you know,

come on, man, we have all the things to do today. Just, you know, hurry up. And I looked at him. You want to watch the wire together? Come on. He texted me saying, grab the book. And I didn't mention the book to her. And I dropped my phone and I placed my hands underneath the book. And I blacked out. And then he spoke to me. And the, the man I was there was Michael. And he had that book called my age. Sean was the name of it, but it has a certain significance. And you said, now what we'll be sharing with you, the history of space and time. Cool. And I was through the cosmos. And that's what they told me about the Pleiadians saying they have their own agenda. And

Archangels hang out with Pleiadians because you don't, you don't see, you have to see beyond them. The Archangels are wary of the Pleiadians. Jesus. So now not only does he have the gift to see beyond the veil of death, not only is he someone who is welcomed by the leader, I guess, Zor of the Galactic Alliance that tells him that is your mission to wake up the star seeds. He now is dealing with legit biblical figures. The Archangel Michael is telling him all the knowledge of the space and time. So now he's omniscient to some extent. Of course. He knows everything. If, or if Michael came and gave him the book of knowledge and told him the history of space and time, he knows everything. Right. He's, he can astral travel. So he's pretty much omnipresent

to a certain extent. He can go anywhere at any time. Is he omnipotent? Probably not. But he's really presenting a picture where he is very close to God. Yeah. Yeah. That is really troubling. The Archangel Michael came to me and said, we got a vacancy. God is out for a bit. God's on vacation. You want to step in? We, you, Sebastian, noted asshole by your own story. Good. It's selling overpriced honey. We're going to need you to take over Godness for a while. But at the same time, look, dude, you can, you can scoff all you want. Yes, I can. Desperate times make heroes out of vulnerable people. And this was last September. So he's clearly done a lot with his power in a short period of time. I think he self-published a book. Yeah.

And he has this website that gets the, gets the light workers together. Doing great. So at the end there, he's talking about how like the, the Pleiadians are not, they're suspicious, you know, they got their own agenda thing going on. And it's interesting that Kerry isn't really, she doesn't buck back at that. She's not mad about that, even though she loves the Pleiadians. And according to Eddie Page is one, although all these fucking alignments are completely off. They're, they're, they shift no matter, like depending on who's talking to whom. Right. Right. Right. Right. So Kerry starts rambling a little bit. And they talk about Atlantis and of course, so eventually you're going to talk about it. Sebastian doesn't know much about

Atlantis, but it turns out he does believe that the Basque people are the descendants of Atlantis. And mysteriously he has some lineage in the Basque region. Yeah. Weird. Weird. So they talk about that. Kerry gets into again, the idea that Atlantis was destroyed by a controlled meteor by evil alien forces. Right. And she talks about how our military is at war with the kingdom of Mu, which still exists. They exist underwater. They have underwater bases. The military is engaging with them. The United States military. You bet. Okay. No wonder their budget is so huge. Uh-huh. They're engaged in a protected war that's been going on. And Japan is probably on the side of it. I don't know. I have no idea. She doesn't get much into it, but she does throw those kernels

of information out. And I was like, I don't give a fuck. So we get to the end here. And this is how they end their interview. And I think it's kind of telling. And I think that people will find value here. And certainly with your mission, if you want to wake up star seeds, certainly we want to wake up star seeds. So we have a similar mission. Do we? Of course. This is not the only option. There are others. We are many, many people are doing it. And that's great. We need to see more of this because we are definitely in this elevation process. And everybody feel the urgency and seeing a change already and it's a positive change, despite what people say. So it's going to be leading to great things. Wonderful. All right. Thank you, Sebastian. Thank you for your service

to humanity. Your service to humanity. Now, what I want to draw a sharp focus to here is they're talking about here, this is their mission to wake up star seeds and what have you. And from everything I can tell Sebastian is the anti Jessica shop is the exact reverse. Yeah, in as much as there's very clear indications from his past that he went through some stuff that led him down the path he's on vis-a-vis believing these visions or whatever that he's clearly embellishing. He has a family history in the same way that Jessica did with her dad trying to get her into this world. He has a mom who believes she can heal people with her touch and that she came back from the dead and a grandma who is convinced that she has Vatican certified miracles and witnessed the Virgin Mary. Right.

So they have very similar trajectories. It's that but the difference is that he's never going to get off this trail or at least certainly hasn't yet. Whereas Jessica saw through what she was doing and saw how it was harming people. Sebastian doesn't seem to be all that concerned with it. That's kind of a bummer for his grandma though, because she's only had two miracles only yet. Well, you got to have three to get sainted, man. Oh, she's, she's way, she's still behind the game. I don't think she's in the running for canonization. You don't think so? I don't think so. All right. But, but I mean, he's, you know, he has an ever expanding, very grandiose life story that he's presenting where he goes from, like, like I said, he goes from

saying that, you know, I could see visions of inconsequential localized things that may or may not happen to now he's being recruited by angels. Yeah. So like, this is only showing a pattern of escalation. And it's, it doesn't seem like it's going to get off track. He is absolutely hurting people with this. Oh, for sure. And he's hurting himself. And clearly he left his wife to go to Mount Shasta. He's not helping the people around him. Based on his story too, he's blacking out a lot. And anytime he is in a stressful situation, he starts to see and hear voices. I would suggest instead of going to see a hypnotherapist or doing transcendental meditation, maybe see a doctor. Transcendental medication. I don't know. We can't,

we can't diagnose shit on this podcast or anything like that. But there, there are strong indications that what we see has a natural path. There is explanations that meet sort of criteria along the way. And that's, I mean, that's all. This is just someone who refuses to analyze himself in the way that someone like Jessica Schaub, who could have gone down the road still to this day to present like I'm just trying to wake up star children, right, whatever. He's not willing to do that because he wants to sell his book and run this, this operation where he recruits light workers. So as much as I empathize with him, he can also go fuck himself because this is lame. And he does need an editor. Yeah. Told you. Yeah. You were right on that one.

Everybody needs an editor, dad. I'm going on vacation. I'm out of here. Fuck this noise. I'll be back as will you. But until then, we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. Indeed. We're on Twitter. That's right. Knowledge underscore fight. We got a Facebook. It's true. Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Yep. You can download us on the iTunes. That's right. You can do the whole thing. Absolutely. But one thing you can't do is put a fucking alien on a pedestal. Don't do it. No, because I'll tell you what an alien's done. What's that? They have definitely probably technically killed at least one guy. Well, I mean, yeah, if they're real in the conception of the people, yes, they have killed all a lot of guys, but

Alex Jones only killed one technically probably. Yeah. So in this case, sort of a de-escalation. Alex, you're on the good side of this one compared to fucking murderous aliens. Yeah, we are. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.