Knowledge Fight - #261: February 5-6, 2019

Episode Date: February 8, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the struggle that Alex Jones is going through these days. Alex feels like Joe Rogan has been really victimizing him lately, and the gents really hate to see someone go through something like that.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Hi, Jordan. Hi, Dan. Jordan. Been a while. It has been a while. How was your vacation? It was pretty good. I went down to Occupied, Texas. Did you? I did. I went down to go visit my parents in Austin, Tejas.

As they say, did not run into Alex, didn't run into any info warriors. I feel like if you did run into Alex, you guys might touch and then just like cancel each other out like matter and anti-matter. I kind of had a realization when I was down there that like, there's a chance I'll run into him somewhere. It is possible. I mean, it's very small, but there was a small chance. And I realized like, he doesn't know what I look like.

There's a chance you might be arrested by Stephen Segal. You know, like these things are possible. But I realized Alex doesn't know what I look like, so I could get a picture with him. Yeah, I realized like I could do that. That would be possible. Yeah. So I was thinking like that would be so fun. Oh, it's just another bearded weirdo. Yeah. So I was thinking about trying to get my parents to take me down to the

Hike and Bike Trail or Barton Springs or some of the places he mentions. Trying to find a, trying to sneak away. Yeah. Yeah. But then I remembered that like also most of the time that I was there was the time that he was on air. Right. Right. So there's really no chance unless I bum rush his studio. I'm not going to do that.

There's guns. No, there's definitely guns. So I have one complaint to make about the trip as a whole. And that is on Tuesday night while we were there, I should back up when I arrived, when I arrived, my mom had an idea for something that she wanted to go do and kill a pearl. Yes. Okay.

It was great. It was fantastic. No, what she wanted to do, she had heard about this performance called Acro Cats. Oh, that's right. You told me you texted me. I did. You were so excited. I was.

I didn't want to know anything about it. Yeah. And what she described it as is there are these cats that are trained and this woman has this like only positive reinforcement based training that she gives them and then there's a band. There's already already suspicious. All parts of this are suspicious. Yes.

There's a cat band. They play drums. Yeah. They're like, I'm like, uh, well, we kind of got to do it. Right. Yeah. Got it. If it's bad, it's great.

If it's great, it's amazing. Yeah. So we, we decided to do that on Tuesday night, opening night of Acro Cats. Opening night. Opening night in Austin. Did she even do a soft opening? Are there, are there. I would say this opening was quite soft.

That's kind of what I was thinking. I don't want to, I don't want to disparage anybody's life's work or anything like that, but I would say that going to this performance, first of all, two minutes in, I realized we were in deep trouble. She comes out, the, the embassy comes out and her, uh, she does not have what I would call performance chops. Is she the cat trainer? Yes.

Okay. There was a sense of, How does it not surprise me that a person who spends all of her time training cats does not have a great stage presence? Well, you know, that feeling you get when like a, uh, uncertain host comes out at a comedy show and you're like, uh-oh, we're in bad hands. Yeah. I had that feeling and I also looked around the audience.

It was a lot of children. And then there's, and then there's you. Great. There were a couple of like stray adults, like maybe 20-somethings drinking booze. Like there were a couple of people who were there clearly for the, Right, right, right. And I kind of was there for the novelty of it too, but there was a small part of my brain that thought this is actually going to be trained cats and it was not.

No, it was people dressed up like cats. No, it was actual cats and they were trained a little bit, but her show was kind of supposed to be a demonstration of her training technique, which involves a clicker and then positive reinforcement, like give the cats some chicken or whatever. So it wasn't just a, it wasn't like, now I apologize for my mental image. I understand. This is the mind.

This is bananas. Yeah. My mental image is legit a bunch of cats, like holding instruments and doing shit all together with no interference. They play a full song and then they stop and then they play another full song. Maybe there's some banter. You know what? Maybe the cat happens a little bit of like, you know, no, this next song is

how long do you think the show was five minutes hour and a half. Too long too long. The first, I would say hour and 10 of it was the cats coming out individually and doing like tricks. Oh, okay. So like they would jump from one pedestal to another or like there was a little shopping cart and the cat would push it. Like that sort of thing.

That's fun. Sure. It was fine. But it was very, a lot of it was pretty simple and the sort of thing that you could get a cat to do. I was, and most, most is tough. A lot of the time the cats didn't do what they were supposed to do. Yeah, of course.

Of course. A lot of the time. They're fucking cats. Yeah, no kidding. That's what I'm saying. It was a demonstration that this stuff is very inconsistent. Yeah. So there would be like, I would say probably at least a quarter, 20% to

25% of the time the cats didn't do what the trick was. Right. And then they played it off as like, and then the band happened. How did it go? I, I should, nothing could have prepared me for how disappointing it was. I really don't know how that's possible. There was a piano and that was the closest. Of course.

To work it. Well, piano cat. Because it was a little piano and the cat, all it had to do was press on things. Yeah, we've seen a cat play piano before many times. It was close to okay. Then there was a drum set and all it was was two drumsticks that were set up and if the cat pressed the drumsticks, it would like make drum noises.

Yeah. That cat didn't do any of that drumming. None of it. It didn't do anything. Nothing. Then there was a guitar and the cat just had to sort of put its arm over one of its paws. Oh, God, it was so bad.

Yeah. Did any music occur? There was noises. There were noises. There was a saxophone. There was a saxophone trumpet. No shit. There was a trumpet.

They were tiny plastic instruments that the, the cat handlers were sitting around and like spraying sauce on. Yeah. Or whatever. The cats would put their mouths on the mouthpiece. Great. And then it would just automatically play trumpet. Right.

It was unbelievably bad. I resented it. I am, I am murdering myself for not having like 10 million cat puns centered around Charlie Parker and Miles Davis right now. That's a bird. It's got to happen. Birdman. I can't think of anything.

So yeah, it was a mess. And Kaliko Parker. I found out on Wednesday morning, like before I went to the airport that my mom's friend also was there. She also went to this agro cats and pressed for more details. I learned that my mom's friend loved it. Thought it was funny and that she had gone last year. Came back.

I thought you said that it was the inauguration. No, it was opening night of the tour. Oh, the tour. I don't even know if it's opening night or the tour. Just opening night in Austin. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. We've talked about this too much, but it really blew my mind.

I really don't think that's possible. I was so surprised by how disappointed I could be. That was really what I felt like. I went in with real low expectations, but a great imagination of what could be. Yeah, of course. And I was still woefully disappointed by what I saw in front of me. No, even in my head right now, knowing what it is, I still kind of imagine that a cat was capable of holding a couple of drumsticks and sitting on the stool,

getting some kick paddle action going. I can see it in my mind, even though I know it is in no way possible. You know why? Cause you're thinking of like Bill the cat. It could be. Yeah, I could be. And I would have rather seen that. Yeah, hell yeah.

I would have rather just read those comic strips. So anyway, this is a show where I know a lot about acro cats. And I have just found out more than I could ever have imagined about it. I know a lot about Alex Jones too. And I don't know anything about what you tell me. So Jordan, today we are going to be in the present day. You know, it's a little bit tough to get sea legs back and get back into the rhythm of this having been out of town.

But I think there's some really interesting going on with Alex right now. And we're going to be talking about a little bit of it between February 5th and 6th 2019. But before we do, I got to give a shout out to a couple of new donors. Hey, so first of all, I'd like to say thank you to Willem. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Willem. Next, Kathy.

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clicking that button to support the show. We would appreciate it. Please do. Now, Jordan, so look, I don't know if I should lay out my premise ahead of time or let it develop. I'm not sure. So I'm just going to get into this. I'm just going to go ahead.

Do it. Do it feels natural to you. Okay. I'm going to play out a context drop. Pretend you're like a cat learning how to play the drums for the first time. I'm going to be the Neil Pert of cats and I play you and out of context. There you go. There's the pun.

There's the pun. Here's not a context drop from today's show. Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world, not nice. Get his ass. All right. Yeah, you got him. The richest man in the world, not. Nobody's even given me his liquid assets.

How about that? That is a large part of what he's nodding him about. Oh, really? Yeah. God, that's stupid. So let's start on the fifth and we will let this develop as it goes. The first clip that I have here is so it turns out remember how we were really pumped that Alex Jones was going to let David Knight have some time off to heal

from that terrible heart attack he had. He brought him back too soon. Oh man, he's back already. Oh boy. And Alex has an interesting solution to David Knight's being overworked and having a heart attack and we've chained him to his chair. No, he just tells him, don't stop trying expanding on that. You just really need to take care of yourself because I know good and damn

well that for a three hour show, you prepare for three, four hours here and a couple hours at night. Can't possibly be true. I mean, I hate to tell the illustrious, but you just can't prepare double for what you do on air because you get so focused on like you're preparing for a state of the union every day. You just, I'm not saying mail it in, but you got to find a halfway mark there. Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I prepare way more than double for the time that we're on air. I feel like this is a cop out and they're not serious about what they're doing. Dan, I'm not saying mail it in, but you should be really close to the edge of mailing it in. That's where I think is a good place to be already kind of mailing it in more work. I could be doing killing yourself.

I'm not. I'm large. I want to catch. Oh, so the two of them have this conversation and Alex talks about how he has the demographic information about David Knight's listeners and Alex means well, you know, old white. Hey, that's all in for white and old. That's all of them.

But the Venn diagram is old and white. He's going to say something complimentary about David Knight's listenership, but in actuality, if you listen to it, it's actually an insult about Alex's own audience that Alex doesn't realize he's, uh, he's insulting his listeners. Play a few video clips. Do some red meat political stuff. Yeah.

I mean, you've got demographics that come in. We can see it on all the analytics. You've got the high end engineer type astronaut type rich people, smart people are listening to you because they know, wow, this guy actually did research and that's great. Oh, it does seem to imply that my show is not getting those people. Yeah, the astronaut know you did research. Whereas my listenership, they know I didn't.

It does. That does seem to imply that like me, me and no employer. We don't do shit. Yeah, you, you prepare a lot. That's why you had a fucking heart attack. Slow down. It's got to be a lot of stress. Does this conversation need to be happening on air?

Certainly doesn't. Um, I love, I can't, I can't believe how it is as often as it happens. I still can't believe how many production meetings we have on air. But one of the reasons that it is happening on air is Alex is dealing with a lot of shit right now and you know, whether it be the Sandy Hook lawsuit, the other lawsuits, him getting kicked off these dummy pages on Facebook that he had, right? You know, like he has to find ways to spend these things.

He's seeing like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez doing really well in her beginning time in the house. Right. People responding quite well to her and her being very effective. That scares the shit out of him. Of course. Um, you know, he has Roger Stone's trouble to deal with and his sort of lack of interest in being his sugar daddy lack of a better term.

I guess he has his waning feelings about Trump that he has to, you know, dance delicately around, especially with the State of the Union being on this evening of this episode here from February 5th. So he's got a lot. He has a lot going on and he needs David Knight. He needs a sort like a puff piece when he's telling David Knight to play a video or do red meat political stuff. This is his version of that.

This is Alex's like, do something that's taking it easy. Right. Everyone's thrilled to see him. You guys could just have a jovial conversation about how he's great and works a lot. Right. Who gives a shit? Oh, that's it's low stakes.

That's a good point. Because what we're about to get into is on top of all of that other stuff that Alex is wrestling with. There's something else that's going on in his life. Something stuck in his craw. Yeah, you bet. But before we get to that, he has that there's these announcers that talk over his like musical interludes.

Sometimes, you know, they're like, he fights against corruption. Yeah. Yeah. Alex Jones and one of them made a big announcement that I didn't know coming to you live from the info wars.com studios in the recaptured state of Texas. It's Alex Jones. At some point, they recaptured. Yeah.

They recaptured Texas. It's no longer occupied. Wait, how did that go? What happened? I have no idea. Was there a war we missed? It might have been like Beto losing. That could have been it.

You think so? I don't know. But then that's just the status quo remaining the same or more democratic. Yeah. The lower tiered positions. Recaptured. Down the ballot. Yeah.

So I don't know. I don't know. But at some point between, I guess the last year, it's no longer occupied Texas. It is recaptured. It's fun. I would like to know first what their definition of capture is. What the first capture of Texas was and does it matter if the Spanish were involved?

Oh, when I was in Texas, I tried to find Colonel Travis's grave. Yeah. It turns out it's in San Antonio, so I couldn't make it to that. But I did go to the state house and I found a sort of memorial statue that they have to those who were lost at the Alamo. And there's a big tribute to Colonel Travis. And I have a picture of myself giving it the finger. Man, there's some crazy racist statues.

Oh, you did. At the Austin courthouse. Yeah. That's not a surprise to me. Or not the courthouse at the state house. It is nuts. There is like an entire one to the Confederate dead. And like it, like on the plaque, it's right in front of the state house.

It is talking like it's war of Northern aggression stuff. No. The Lost Cause kind of language. Oh, my God. On the statue. It's a giant statue. Oh, my God. It is nuts.

And then there's another statue. If you walk a little bit, oh, it weighs over. There's a statue memorializing like Jefferson Davis. Hey, man, you got to give it up to him. Got him. You got to give it up to the Somali pirates. Yeah. And the fucking people who fraud.

The president of the Confederate States of America. To make sure that we still get to own people. There's a big logo on that statue too. Even that says CSA really stylized. Yeah. My mom was like, I saw that. I didn't know what it was. I'm like, Confederate States of America.

Caucasian slave assholes. Yeah. Like that's nuts that that stuff is there. It's wild. Roodle. I missed out on seeing. Hey, America is great. But yeah.

Yeah. So anyway, it's been recaptured. Texas is cool now. Cool. All right. That's interesting. Good job guys. Yeah.

So we're going to jump. I assume Mexico owns it then? Yeah. Must be. Okay. So in this next clip, we're going to jump into what we're going to be talking about on this episode. And there's more to this than even the clips that I have.

And we can discuss that as it goes along. But if I were to pull all the clips that would be relevant to this episode. Yeah. It would be a two day long episode, quite frankly. But here is Alex introducing the theme. You can run, run, run. Run, run, run away. But you can't get away for your date with Destiny Jojo.

Joe Rogan, it metaphysically is a Christmas hog. Okay. And I'm going to politically haul him up by his back legs and sled his throat. His blood will fill buckets politically, not violently. Get ready, Joe. So Alex has turned. We're fighting. We're fighting with Joe.

He's going to politically slit his throat and have his blood fill buckets. All right. So Alex, I was really hoping he had gone to the second night of acro cats and we were just going to be talking acro cats all night. That would have been amazing. That would have been amazing. What if he had so disappointing that we're now just angry at Joe Rogan? Yeah, I know it's kind of disappointing, but there's something interesting going on

here. There's a larger theory about what's going on and why everyone, there's an irony that we're going to be doing an episode here about how everyone should ignore this. Yeah, there is a slight irony to that, but I think it's important because I think it's a teaching moment. And this is when you hit, you just end record and we're just done. No, I mean, everyone should listen to Kansas. We're going to have fun on our episode.

But I think that people like a Joe Rogan or Howard Stern also is in the mix on this. Sure. Why not? I think it's kind of gone to this sort of thing and everybody out there, you need to stop like not, I'm not going to tell you how to live your lives, but a wise decision would be to not help be like pump this up like it's a pay-per-view fight. Of course. Because the only person who benefits from that is Alex and that's why he's doing this.

Yeah, of course. So I want to talk a little bit about Alex and Joe Rogan and how they got to this point. Uh huh. Now we know that they've been, they've been friends since like 1998 or so. They met back in Austin and the two of them thought each other were crazy and just like, Hey, you're fun. Whatever. Uh, you know, in 2009, Joe Rogan was featured in the Obama deception.

Right. He's interviewed for that. He's been a guest on Alex's show for a super long time. They're good drinking buddies. Sure. Yeah. They like to drink and take drugs. Hell yeah.

About two. Once a year. About two years ago, Joe Rogan had Alex on episode 911 of his podcast, which we went over to one of our early episodes and Alex got drunk on apple juice and smoked weed and acted like a complete dumb, dumb. So that was, that's where their relationship was going well. Yeah. But since then, uh, since that time that Alex was a guest on Rogan's podcast, things

have gotten weird between the two of them. This is like a behind the music episode right now. Not really. Cause I don't understand everything, but I can tell you some of the broad strokes of how this went bad. Uh-huh. So through all of that, all the time that things were getting weird from about two years ago when he was on his show till now, Rogan has consistently taken the high road, bending

over backwards to give Alex a very generous public defense, even for things that Alex didn't deserve to be depended for. Over the years, Rogan has thrown in little critiques of Alex's bullshit, but it's generally couched in a isn't this guy so fun and crazy kind of way. It's like a presentation of criticism that never really rises above good natured ribbing and really just serves to help Alex's bottom line. It's basically free press for him. Yeah.

So Alex has always been really, uh, for the most part really fine with it. For sure. Where things started to heat up was on episode 1131 of Rogan's podcast with Dave Rubin. It was released in June, 2018. On that episode, Joe talked about his relationship with Alex. He discusses how much he likes Alex, but how wrong he is about a lot of things. This conversation was started by discussing Alex's claims that Anthony Bourdain was killed by Hillary's people and how offensive that sort of thing was.

Rogan talks at length about how Alex is also right about a lot of the stuff that he talks about, particularly earlier. Yeah. Times. Yeah. Um, and how he turned him on to a lot of stuff that was actually true. Um, but like, um, the thing that he always brings up is the idea of like police infiltrating peaceful protests in order to turn them violent.

Right. Cheney flew flight 63. Yes, absolutely. So he talks about that a lot. He gives him a lot of credibility even within this discussion of how he's wrong about a lot of things. Uh, but he's also, uh, you know, it's important to point out, he says that a number of the things that he claims aren't real.

And one of those things is the idea that George Soros is a Nazi, which is Alex's big, uh, big piece of business. Alex didn't like this. So he took to the air, uh, right after this episode came out to call out Joe Rogan. He did his normal shtick claiming that Soros thinks he's the Messiah and that he had the best time of his life rounding up Jews in the Holocaust. Alex insists that Joe knows all this stuff is true because Alex knows that he's told Joe these things and that Joe is Joe and Joe is just defending George Soros even though

he knows that he was a Nazi collaborator because Alex told him so. Alex seems to think it's unfathomable that Joe just doesn't believe him or that he might have looked into it and found out that Alex is just making shit up. So then in July, 2018, you may recall that Alex was predicting that a second American civil war was going to break out on Independence Day. On that, uh, fourth of July, Rogan recorded episode 1140 of his podcast with Joey Diaz as the guest in the episode. He laments that Alex has been saying that he's working with the deep state, uh, and

is a Soros apologist just because he doesn't agree with Alex about the Nazi shtick. Yeah. Rogan keeps talking about how much he loves Alex and wishing that he would just calm down. On the same episode, Joey Diaz is clearly joking about, uh, Joe being in the CIA and talking about how he played pranks on Eddie Bravo by telling him shit about Rogan. Right. Alex, I'm not saying mail it in, but find a middle ground between how angry you are

and where you are now. Right. Right. Also, uh, Joey Diaz is clearly high out of his mind eating chiba chews. That sounds like Joey. But from there, after this point, when Joe talks about it again on the air, things kind of deescalate. And from everything I can tell from both of their versions of the story, they were in

communication privately. My gut tells me that Joe is able to talk Alex off the ledge and be like, come on, man. Uh, but I don't know who knows what was actually happening. He sent a text that was like, come on, man. And Alex was like, yeah, you know, yeah, whatever. Yeah. Then on January 10th, 2019, Alex decided to get real serious with his former friend. He was introducing Owen Benjamin, the painfully unfunny comedian turned fourth hour host of

info wars. Uh, he was introducing him for his segment and decided it was time for him to attack. He was getting fed up with it. Joe, uh, kept quote reading off George Soros talking points without ever specifying what those talking points are without ever demonstrating that these alleged talking points are even real without establishing any of his claims. He just launched into a screed of vaguely accusing Rogan of being a puppet of the CIA working as a modern day Timothy Leary to destroy the minds of the youth with drugs.

DMT. That's stuff. That sounds right. He changed position for a professed libertarian to express, but whatever. Drugs are illegal, but I think they should be illegal. Now, one of the important things to consider is that Owen Benjamin is only fairly recently become an employee of info wars. And another important thing to consider is that Owen Benjamin hates Joe Rogan.

You see, Owen Benjamin was what you might call an early associate, a lot of a lot of the members of the intellectual dark web, but no one really cared when he got kicked off Twitter for harassing David Hogg after the Parkland shooting. His status plummeted even within his own community. And when the dumb fuck article that came out about the the IDW, the internet, and when he wasn't included, Owen kind of lost his shit. He started making videos about how members of the IDW told him that, you know, him being kicked off Twitter.

After that, he was no good for their brand to be associated with. Of course not. So he started doing all this stuff, attacking them very publicly. Joe Rogan is like the he considers him the ringleader and the glue of all these groups. But above him is Sam Harris. Sure, why not throw him in there? Yeah, he was bitter as fuck. And he began this crusade on calling these people out because he had an intense need

to be the victim of the situation that they had foist him into, which made him a perfect in a war info wars personality candidate. You know, so his transition to info wars makes total sense. I can't prove anything, but I definitely find it interesting that Alex's big turn on Rogan is happening while Owen Benjamin is being introduced for his fourth hour segment fairly soon after he begins working there. Could be a coincidence or it could be this dude being a really negative influence on Alex. It pushed him over the ledge on his erstwhile friend.

I don't know. I'm not sure. Owen Benjamin's a piece of shit. Yes. But that attack on January 10th wasn't anything that moved the needle for me. It sounded like, you know, any other time that Alex has talked shit. Yeah, it was a little bit more like this seems weird. You seem a little bit angrier than normal, but, but not much more.

You know, it's just he pretends to know something damaging. He talks in circles for a bunch and then never demonstrates anything. It feels like a big who gives a fuck. But then an episode 1238 of his podcast with guest Brian Redban from February 4th of this year, Joe discusses how Alex is in a bad place and then he still cares about him. But that Alex had lied to him. He talked about how Alex was lying to him about what he'd said in the past about Sandy Hook and that Joe had seen all the videos of Alex saying that it was fake.

Yeah. When Alex's position and what he, what Joe allowed him to say on the show was that we just had debates, that sort of thing. Right, right, right, right. So he was talking about like he's just make it. He's just making stuff up and I can't, I can't abide by that. He talked about how he, how Alex believed dumb bullshit about Rogan being threatened into not talking about conspiracies and how that was all a prank that they played on Eddie

Bravo. Joey Diaz told Eddie Bravo all this stuff. Yeah. And it was like, hey, Eddie believes it. And Eddie told Alex. Oh, God. So there's this whole thing of like, Alex is reporting information coming from Eddie Bravo based on a Joey Diaz Chiba Choo prank.

Right, right, right. So you got that. Fucking Eddie Bravo, you believe too much. Too much. But through it all, Joe was still talking about how right Alex is about some things, some of those similar things from way back. Yeah. And he was approaching the situation from a position of being a friend.

It was basically, you could sum it up by saying, like, you need to stop making things up, but I still love you. And I would be on your show and if I saw you, I'd give you a hug. Yeah. That sort of thing. It's a very complicated thing. And he's talking about how complicated it is for him because he knows that everybody looks at Alex and like this guy's a fucking monster.

He's a liar and all this shit. He's like, I know him. I've known him for a really long time. He is making stuff up. If you stop doing that, everything will be fine. Right. I kind of have a similar position that like all the trouble that Alex is in with all these lawsuits and all that shit, it wouldn't be there if he didn't slander people.

Like all of that stuff. Yeah. It's a little bit like saying, you know what, you wouldn't be on trial for murder if you hadn't murdered that guy, man. Look, I love you. You're a good dude. You shouldn't have murdered that guy though. You can't.

You can't live your life constantly going through it and being like everything negative about me is fake. Yeah. You just can't. And that's how Alex is operating. Yeah. What are you? OJ.

I think Joe is tapping into a little bit of that or at least seeing a little bit. Now granted, I want to say I'm not fucking a fan of Joe Rogan's naive gullible bullshit on his podcast at all. Yeah. I just have moments of decency and moments of like not falling into traps. Great on news radio. Wonderful on news radio. And Fear Factor was pretty fun at points.

So the point is that was on the fourth, the episode with Brian Red Band. And the episode that we're listening to is the fifth. It's the next day. And Alex is pissed about this. He is pissed because, well, quite frankly, I have a number of theories. He's on his own Benjamin. I think that's a piece of it because he has a, he's on the war path against Rogan and all the people in the IDW, the intellectual dark way, but he wants to take all of them

down. Now he has Alex on his side. It would be very easy to be like, Hey, here's a good thing to do. Now, if I were, if I were to write this as a plan, yeah, I would be Owen Benjamin and I would say, Hey, Alex, look, you aren't allowed on social media. You aren't allowed on all of these platforms, but you know who is Joe Rogan. Start a fight with him. Yeah.

Start a fight with him. It'll get so much publicity. Cause then people are going to share all of your stuff all over the social media. And Rogan will be talking about the attacks that you make on him. If you lure him into an actual fight, it will be so good. And then you could also appeal to Alex's ego by being like, you could take him like not in a physical fight, but you could take him. If the info whore, right?

You could have another info scalp on your, on your wall or whatever. You know, so like, I think I, I get the sense, I get the strong sense that this is like the motivation behind it. Yeah, it has to be. Alex probably feels some personal betrayal because it's really hard to hear someone be like, I care about you, but I know for a fact you've been lying to me. Yeah. That's hard.

The only response to that really is like, I have, I have been lying to you. I'm sorry. Let's make it right. Or fuck you. You're a globalist. Yep. Yep. Pretty much Alex Tedse choose the latter.

Psychopaths usually don't react well to criticism. No, no. And, and so I, I, I think that this is what's going on. And one of the further things that makes me believe that we don't have any clips from this, but from what I understand, I didn't listen to a bunch of this. But so Howard Stern has been having a Alex Jones impersonator come on his show and they make fun of him. Yeah.

And so Alex started to try and attack Howard Stern. And I think it's the same strategy. I think it's the same things. Like Howard's got a huge audience. I attack him that will give me access to his audience. Maybe if I do it well enough, he'll invite me on so we can argue. Yep. Something like that.

That'll be great for the brand. Yeah. I can't get, I can't get new people in otherwise. And here's the important thing. I know I'm giving speech almost like this is the end of the episode already, but Alex's business model relies on there being more in flow than outflow, but he knows that there's going to be both. He knows that there's going to be people that he can seduce into his worldview is overly

simplistic and crypto bigoted worldview because of the, the allure of the mystery of it. And that's sort of the forbidden knowledge. He knows that he can always get people in the door if people have access to his things. He also knows that not everyone's staying around. People are going to get disenchanted. They're going to start looking into things that he, at least some portion of them are. So he needs there to be more in flow than outflow and everything was fine from a business model perspective when he was allowed on everything.

And now he's not. That's why his numbers are down is because you know, the rate of people leaving him has stayed consistent. Right. People coming in has gone down solution to that find more ways to get people in. You could do almost no better than co-opting Joe Rogan and Howard Stern, especially if you do it simultaneously pretty much. So I think that's the strategy that's going on.

Sorry about the little bit of a rant there, but I think it's a pathetic and very sad situation. It's the only thing that makes sense for him to do. And I, I mean, if, if I was writing out a business plan, it's like, okay, so I attack Joe Rogan and Howard Stern and I turn a shit ton of people off to me. But if one out of every thousand listeners that they have a fucking just looks into it and is like, man, I think this Alex Jones guy is interesting. That's a million people or a hundred thousand people, which he needs desperately. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. And he realizes he can't get access to any other way. Exactly. So that's, that's a big part of it. And I don't know. I think that the reason that I want to focus on the Rogan one more than the Howard Stern one is I'm not a big Stern guy. And I think that there's, I have a lot of difficulties with him that I don't want to unpack.

Rogan is more familiar to our show and there's much more personal stuff there. Like Alex and Rogan have much more of a personal relationship. Yeah. And it makes it grosser because I've watched the videos of Rogan talking about him. They come from a place of humanity. They come from a place of him being a friend. Like he's talking to a guy he doesn't want to say terrible things about. Right.

And then so to hear what Alex ends up saying about Rogan, it makes it awful. Like it's a really heart wrenching kind of like a display of inhumanity on Alex's part. And I think it's important to look at. Yeah, but that's because Alex is inhuman. Right. You know, like that's part of being a psychopath is you're willing to shed these relationships whenever that becomes expedient for you. Right.

You know, yeah. And I mean, you know, you got one guy saying, Hey, I like this guy a lot. He's a friend. And you know, when we're together, he's my friend. Right. But he's lying about certain things and I wish you would stop doing that. And then your response is, I'm going to hang him up by the legs and politically slit his throat. It's a, it's, it's not a, it's not a good reaction.

That is a very similar reaction to what the American psychos reaction would be. It makes the most sense as a strategic business decision. And so here in this next clip, Alex sort of gives a little bit of a speech about how we're marching to Valhalla. Okay. Which it should indicate what kind of mood he's in after he talks about slitting Rogan's throat. It could be. A long time ago, I'm afraid of God. When I'm not fighting you, I feel scared.

When I'm fighting you, I see God smiling in the center of my soul. Right in my heart. I know the wind is filling my shayittles and I'm on a journey where I'm supposed to go. I'm on the path of my ancestors. You know, that's a cat on drums. Beyond the stars. The path of Valhalla. That's why I do this.

I guess to not do it is to lose the soul. And you've all chosen your lot with the devil. Sure. And I've chosen that I must take you on. It'll be this contest that defines us. It'll be these wars, these fights that make us who we are. Okay. You say nothing.

Stop fearing the devil and start taking the devil on as the day we start living. And then you see the horizon. You realize God's in control. And the bluff's got to be cold. The enemy's got to be engaged. Bones got to meet bone. Swords got to meet shield. The axe has got to come down on that skull.

And in the end, we'll see heaven. Okay. All right. Cool. That is a not good move. Is that a direct quote from Friday Night Lights? Swinging axe. Bone on bone.

Can't lose. Can't lose. You never like to see a guy in this kind of state. I'm going to be honest with you. That song is a lot better with Alex Jones giving apocalyptic rants over it. I mean, anytime you're in that mood at noon, that's a weird day. Yeah. So this next clip, he just talks more about how he's going to

politically slit Rogan's throat. I don't take any pleasure in this, but it's, you know, it's kind of like when you are splitting a hog's throat, you know, it's squealing. It's up by its legs. It's better to get the blood out. And you don't want to hurt an animal. But it has to be close. When you got to get in there, just get it done quick.

You know what I mean? So I need to get on to that Joe Rogan piece of the show. Joe Rogan is a freaking hog. Okay. Ouch. Yeah. And this, I need to drive home. If you listen to the stuff on Rogan's show, it's not scathing.

It's very soft. It is a friend struggling with his friendship. It's emotionally resonant. Yeah. To the point where, you know, like I keep saying, he's like, I like this guy. If we're together, we're friends, I would give him a hug. Alex responds to that in the most inhuman way. He just makes fun of the idea that Rogan's trying to treat him like a person.

Oh, I love Joe yesterday. Alex, I still want to be your friend. Oh, oh, oh, Joe, please be my friend. I, I've never taken anybody on before, Joe. I, I'm so scared right now. You're so tough. You have a bald head and big muscles and take all that growth hormone and steroids. I'm so scared right now, Joe.

Please don't hurt me. Help me. I'm weak. Oh. I'm sorry. I'm digressing a bit. Wow. Yeah, that's weird.

That's a bummer. Because Joe's not threatening him in any way. No. If anything, it's the opposite of threatening. What Alex takes it as a threat, which is strange. Well, the threat is like Alex has to admit that he's capable of having emotions. And he's not the, because in this situation, that absolutely for him would come off as a threat because Joe is presenting himself as the person taking the high road, the person

who cares, the person who I'm not sure he's presenting himself as that. It seems like he is right in Alex's form, which puts him at a higher level than him. It is, it is paternal. Joe saying all of this stuff is like you talking to your, you know, you could say it's you talking to your friend who's lost his way, but if you're Alex, you could hear it as this is a prodigal son. You know, I'm the guy who's lost his way. Fuck you.

You're a piece of shit. You know, like that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I could see that because there are some parts of Rogan's other comments that were like, when you hear Alex talking about some of this stuff, some of these like people drinking adrenochrome and stuff like that. He's like, this is not the guy I knew.

Yeah. Like isn't the same. He's going through some shit. Yeah. And so I could, yeah, I could see that. I could see the like Alex could be threatened by the idea that his entire sort of primary brand right now isn't like someone who actually knows him is pointing out like you have shifted entirely from what you used to be.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is not what you want to hear either. No. And I guess you could respond to that with some, some anger, Especially if you were a psychopath. Absolutely. So in this next clip, Alex makes a direct accusation against Joe that I don't know,

it might be true. I have no idea. I gotta move on to Joe Rogan and move on to him. He puts cheese on toast because he's really asking for it. Oh, oh, oh, oh, Joe, you think you're already getting hit hard right now? Oh, just wait. Oh, maybe you get those Italian guys in Vegas do something for you. Joe, I'm so scared of them too.

So anyway, he is making implications and he does throughout that like the people behind the UFC are in the mob or something along those lines and that Rogan has mob ties in Vegas. And yeah, that doesn't sound implausible. It's not beyond the veil of possibility. That kind of actually makes a lot of sense. I would buy that. His only other sort of like direct accusations are based on so Jack Dorsey from Twitter.

Right. Was on Rogan's show. And the question came up of why Alex was banned from Twitter. And Dorsey said, I don't know. And people are offended by that. Fuck you. No, but I honestly, I think he should know by now, but the idea that he wasn't directly involved in that.

Oh, yeah. I would believe that as a possibility. I think it's also possible where he's like, I'm, of course, I don't know why he's banned. I'm letting somebody who's way worse than him run Twitter right now. I mean, look, all the reason, like if you, if he legitimately asked Jackie, he was like, okay, what were the reasons that Alex was banned? And Jack responded with the actual reasons. Right.

Then the next thing that you say, like for Jack, the smartest thing to say is, I don't know. Right. Because if he responded with actual reasons, Joe goes, okay, Trump did that. Trump did that. Trump did that. Trump did that. Trump did that.

Sure. What are your reasons then? You do enter a conversation you can't have. Exactly. No. Of course, I don't know is the correct answer. Sure. And I also believe it's possibly accurate.

It's also possibly accurate. The idea that the CEO of a company doesn't know about operational day to day stuff. I believe that 100%. Right. Like I worked at Groupon. Eric Lefkowski didn't know shit about what was going on in any sort of tendril of the company. There on the day he was filming the episode for undercover boss.

I mean, I met him a couple of times. He always seemed a little bit aloof, but wore casual clothes. Anyway, I just saw when I was going over the billionaires list or the four, the four top 400. Yeah. He was on there. It was like, mother fucker. Yeah.

Kill him. I've been in the same room as you. You billionaire son of a bitch. So my, my feeling on this. Oh, so he had Dorsey on and that sort of irked Alex understandably. Yeah. But also on that episode, Alex claims that Rogan didn't disclose that Dorsey is financially involved with one of his sponsors, which is cash app.

And Rogan says he did disclose that. Yeah. I don't know. I think I. Okay. Yeah. Fine. I've seen a of Rogan talking about like cash app comes up.

Yeah. And a reasonable person would assume that like from their conversations that Dorsey and Twitter is like financially involved with it. I don't think that it's as nearly as shady as a lot of the stuff Alex has done. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of like having his sponsors as guests and often not mentioning that they're the sponsors.

Of course not. Stuff like that. Back in, back in the day. The primary business model for years was having my guests as or my sponsors as guests. Bob Chapman's entire existence on the show was basically predicated on that. Exactly. So that criticism falls on deaf ears. Joe might have a mother fucker read limericks to him.

Yeah. Joe might have like, what is it? A splinter in his eye, but Alex has a plank or whatever. Yeah. But you know, both the, you know, fine criticisms. The proof of the splinter is in the plank in the eating of the eyeball. Yeah. So the other criticism that Alex has is that Joe is involved in pump and dump schemes.

Okay. And maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I love it when two people that I don't like fight and they reveal information where I'm like, sure, fine. Go for it. I know you're a piece of shit.

I agree on all fronts. I know with a reasonable amount of certainty, which I probably couldn't prove in the court of law, but I have very good reason to believe that a number of Joe's guests over the years, especially the ones who really heavily promote Bitcoin were probably involved in some pump and dump type operation. That's the entirety of Bitcoin cryptocurrency. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. A lot of it is these people scamming folks. Right. And I don't know if Joe was involved. I don't know if he got any money out of it, but he definitely was involved in elevating some of these people who were probably in the middle of those operations for sure. So he is complicit in some sense, whether it was intentional or not. So that criticism is fine, but I also still don't think it merits any of this.

I really don't. I think that there is a different way to do this. I think that Alex is really just trying to lure Rogan into a protected media battle where he can get the better of him. Yeah. This is professional wrestling for sure. Yeah. It appears to be.

So in this next clip. This is a job, man. Before he gets to Rogan, he keeps saying, I'm going to get to him. But before he gets to him, he breaks down this other guy. I guess that's that big think that, you know, that thing post videos around and stuff like that, blogs and shit. Sure. Anyway, there's this British guy whose name I can't remember, but Alex keeps saying it's

Anus. I think it's Enus. Anyway, nice. Alex is saying that this dude is saying that Alex is threatening to kill the families of victims of shootings and stuff like that. Okay. So this conversation this guy is having is about like, what do you do with obviously bad speech?

Like what do you do with that? Right. And so he uses Alex as one example and then says, and the sort of people who threaten the families of victims of stuff like that. He's not saying that Alex is one of them. Right. But Alex, like he intentionally misrepresents whatever this language is companion piece to this bullshit.

Yeah. Right. Alex is an example of something bad and then the people who threaten people's families. Right. Or another like tendril of another cross section of this. And so Alex is like, this guy is saying that I do that. He's not saying that whatever. And so I'm just going to play one clip of it because I think it demonstrates Alex doing

exactly what he's accusing this guy of doing. But that guy didn't do it. And Alex is respectful of how I just lied about someone. It's lost in me to be respectful. Malem per se. Evil in themselves. And the back it up. I think we got to name this is a child molester.

Oh, I'm just saying if I was casting mainly for like a maybe a Joseph Mengele mad Nazi scientist. Definitely have child molester going with him. He is more like Nazi scientist. Okay. Yeah. It's just a pathetic breakdown of like this, this clip that only vaguely mentions Alex and is more about all these other people.

And yeah, he does that. He does that thing. He always does. We play a second of it. Back it up. Yeah. He made it through. I'm going to stop interrupting and then interrupts immediately.

Like the first thing that I thought was this guy has a very sleepy voice. He was not a very compelling. It almost makes you beg for Alex. I know. He was like, yeah. And then you're like, Alex, back it up and you're like, okay, thank God. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he was going to take forever to finish a fucking sentence.

Yeah. So in his next clip, I mean, those are those are like really the accusations that Alex has and the rest of this is just going to be garbage. Listen to the reasoning that Alex uses in this next clip. And so just just enjoy how like flimsy this is. He's trying to come down on Joe for possibly having an unnamed group that sponsors him that does DMT retreats or something like that. Okay.

But then Alex through what I would call a terrible, terrible logic, it proves that the government is involved. Okay. I like that. And then we looked at the groups funding Joe Rogan, who single handedly has pretty much relaunched the whole DMT, ayahuasca movement with retreats in every city I know and the police stand now cities. Do you know universities are involved, which shows you there's government funding.

So I want to know how many cities he knows now. I want to list 17. It cannot be long. No, it can't. But he's saying that universities are involved. He doesn't prove that. He doesn't substantiate that in any way. And that means that government funding is involved, which he also doesn't prove zero

private universities, zero private universities. Also, I don't know. I don't believe this quite frankly, because I did find an ayahuasca group in Chicago and they are not connected to the universities. There's no government funding involved at all. I went and I couldn't actually partake in it because I didn't bring a fucking pillow. It was a disaster. You didn't bring a pillow?

No, it was very humane. God damn it, Dan. If there's one thing everyone knows about ayahuasca retreats, it's that you gotta bring your own pillow. This is the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy's towel. I kind of made the faulty assumption that there would be like sleeping bags and stuff there. I brought nothing.

As soon as I showed up, I'm like, I'm a fucking asshole. Oh man. What is it? What is this a yoga class where you can rent a mat for a dollar? Hell no. This is ayahuasca. Whatever. My point is that these sorts of things do exist.

They are out there to be found, but they're very secretive, number one. For good reason. I don't think I could find it again. Because of all the illegalness. It's profoundly illegal. So the idea that there are all these things in the states, that's not true. There are some places you can go that are like Native American places. You can take hallucinogenics and things like that as part of religious ceremonies.

Which means the government is absolutely not involved. No, and they're very rare in the United States. There's a number in like South America and Central America. And actually one of Alex's former guests who we just tried to brainstorm the name of, and I can't remember what his name is at all, but he was a former police officer that Alex has on a bunch. He started his own cottage industry of doing ayahuasca retreats in Central America. So Alex has no, like, he didn't have a problem with that guy doing it.

Why does he have a problem now? Oh, because it's paddiness. Yep. So whatever. All of these criticisms that he has, like there's like a couple of them that I find some merit in, but also your reason for bringing this up sucks. And the rest of them just like, what are you talking about? Which again, you're a libertarian.

By your own, by your own stated ideology, you want these to be more widespread and legal. Why do you care what drugs people do? Yeah. That's their own body. What? Don't you want to maximize freedom? No. No, I want to maximize my freedom.

That's counter to libertarianism. Yeah. Anyway. Well, you'll find they all kind of think that. Yeah, kind of. So in this next clip, Alex thinks that Rogan has government talking points that he follows, which I find to be a absurd idea. And then he expresses his idea that Rogan participates in pay to play,

which we talked about here a second ago. Okay. So it's, it's reached crazy town. So I start calling Joe about a year ago and I say, listen, you don't need to have me back on. Skip said, I'll have you back on. I said, no, just translation, please, please, please let me back on. I think Sandy Hook happened. I think school shootings happened, but things have been staged before.

So people have a right to question. I said, it's really scary how you follow every talking point the establish was putting out. Well, then he gets even worse. It's called reality. And then he calls me and says, I'm going to have you on before the election. It's I think some pacifism deal right when I was getting banned. And then he doesn't return my call. So I start researching Joe.

And now he's. Oh, no. He's got is. Oh, here we go. And they're doing stuff that, you know, Floyd Mayweather had to pay $300,000 fines for. They're they're saying, buy these products, do these things. And they're not saying they're paid by it. So again, we already talked about this a little bit.

Alex is way out of line complaining that someone else did that seeing it's he does that all the time. This is about journalistic integrity and video games down. No, but I mean, it is, it is a valid criticism, just not coming from Alex. Yeah, exactly. If it's true. I don't know that it's true. I don't care. I can't stress enough how much I don't care what these two.

I care a little. Yeah. If only because it is a criticism that we've made of Alex and it would be kind of hypocritical. If Joe Rogan's doing this like shady business. Oh yeah. No, if he's doing it, he can go fuck himself too. I don't know that he's doing it though. We know that Alex does it.

You bet. Or at least has. Or at least. Yeah. So Alex is in this place and he's grasping at straws to try and validate his complaints about Joe in the same way he did when he was saying that like he doesn't think that Soros is a Nazi, but knows he is because he, I know that I've told him that. Right. And if I tell something, somebody something, then they must obviously believe it's true.

Right. Or they're, or they're corrupted by the government. That's the very definition of bad thinking. And he's grasping at straws in the same way with this couple of possibly decent criticisms and a ton of weak ones. Yep. So the reason that he's doing this is like I said, I think he wants this all out a conflagration between the two that benefits him. And he spells it out here. And then it's this whole thing like I still want to hug you.

No, Joe, I want you to be my enemy. I don't like you. I'm guilty. I was ever nice to you. I knew you were bad news 20 years ago. I should have ignored that. You're a charming guy. I want war, Joe.

I want war. I don't want to be nice. I want to be cleansed of you. I hear so much pain throughout this entire thing. It's fun that he made a news radio reference or accidentally. This is Jimmy James. Don't you remember a super karate monkey death car? What?

And then it's so that he reads the Japanese translation and it's like war. No. That was very accidental. I know, but it's fun for me. It's fun for me. How awesome would it be if you said double came at some point? That would be fucking amazing. And then the super karate monkey death car will come from my hut.

So like he wants, he wants war. And the reason is because this state that things are in right now is okay, but it's not that good for him. If anything, all this is going to do is make Joe Rogan's audience feel sad about Alex. And he needs them to be like thinking that Alex is kind of a threat because if Rogan's audience thinks that Alex is kind of a threat, it might, you know, tickle their brain in such a way as they're like, let's go check this out. Oh, this guy is fucking pulling some shit. Maybe he's somebody to look into. He's an equal.

He's an equal enemy. And instead it looks like he's pathetic and a loser. He's trying to do essentially what he managed to work out with Glenn Beck back in 2009. This idea of a one sided feud that worked out for Alex and both of them to some extent, you know, like they could both yell at each other. But it, it's this, I don't know how to put it any simpler than like this is another one of Alex's tricks. Yeah. It's just start picking fights with people in order to gain access to their audience. Claim you're bigger than them.

So obviously that's not your motivation. Right. Like you're much bigger than them. No, no, I'm huge. I'm huge. I don't need this. I'm not trying to poach audience members because I have all the audience members. It's just a principled thing.

You know, it's just pumping up schemes. I'm offended by that. Hey, what are you going to do? The only thing I'm going to give Alex credit for is there were so many times he could have got on board with some Bitcoin schemes and he never did. That's true. I do. Again, I, my theory is that that is because he does not understand it and it is not physical. It's very possible.

And the fact that he's run by a gold dude. Yeah. You know, a gold sales dude might play into it. I mean, like hard currency. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. He's like Bitcoin. Cool.

I want some Bitcoin. Yeah. You don't get to hold it in your hands. Then it's not real money. I don't understand this block chain. A block and a chain are both things I can hold. What's going on? This is, this is our Laurel and Hardy.

Alex Jones and somebody explaining Bitcoin. Sure. So the, yeah, I do respect that on some level though, because he had a bunch of these, these Bitcoin dudes on his show over the years. He's had the Bitcoin guests and people coming in and telling him about how great Bitcoin is. And he's always like, he could have done it at any point. Right. I agree. Could be ignorance, but even if it is good on him for being that dumb, because he could have heard a lot of people's lives.

That's true. By signing off on it. They could have all gotten fucked. Yeah. So whatever, even if it's a neutral, it's a neutral positive or whatever. All right. It's a net positive for the world. Yeah.

So in this next clip, Alex discusses what he's discovered about Rogan and his position in the world. So, so, so here's what's going to happen. I got everything. I got, I got all of it. Okay. I'm not asking for something from you, but war. War. I'm going to expose everything.

I'm going to unwind everything about it. You understand? I'm going to expose all of it, every bit of it, everything. Because you're there. Darling, I figured it out. You're there. Baby cake. You're there model for the future.

You're, oh, I hope that be on the internet when no one else says there's some guru to everyone. I really hope and it's just not going to happen. I'm built for war, Joe. I don't think that Joe's anyone's darling except the sort of the right that's ambivalent about the racism. Yeah. Like the mild right. Yeah. You know, the mild to medium right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're not the alt right. They're not the out and out white nationalists, but it's like, I could say like a restrained populist nationalist types. Yeah. It's like the survey they just did about how, how many white people think black faces bad.

And you're like, a lot of them said, I don't know. Those are the people who listened to Joe. There's a heavy overlap. Yeah. You know what I'm thinking about? I mean, we touched on this a little bit earlier, but I, I'm thinking that there's maybe even more to the idea that Rogan is kind of the new Glenn Beck. Then I gave credence to because Glenn Beck tried to play like he was right about some stuff every now and again.

Yeah. He played the fence quite a bit, but also was a conduit towards harder right things. Yeah. Through a lot of the narratives that he got engaged in a lot of the things that seem to be underlying his, his ideas. I think there's, I think there's something to be said for that. And it was weird how many times Joey Diaz was on Fox news. That's true. That was a weird thing for Glenn Beck to do.

What is Trussell doing on, on Glenn Beck? Very strange booking. Man, all I'm saying is that we should all be doing LSD. I don't think, I don't think that there's a one to one parallel, but what is the same or at least is very similar between the two is that they're very easy entry points into things that don't appear to be what you're getting involved in. Right. In the same way that Glenn Beck back in the day was a very important piece of radicalization towards hard tea party stuff and people like Alex Jones. The same way Joe Rogan exists as a sort of tepid bath that you can get into that the water rises really fast and you don't realize it. Always having all these Islamophobic assholes and just people who want to have ideas, just trade ideas.

Hey man, we're just having debates. Right. Great. So I think, I think there's something to that, but also the interesting difference between them is that back in the day, Alex Jones was the sole beneficiary of the Glenn Beck pipeline. Not maybe not the sole beneficiary, but he was one of the largest beneficiaries because people who would get sort of seduced in with Glenn Beck's entry point when they would want something harder traveled towards Alex. Nowadays with Rogan, it doesn't necessarily flow to Alex. It flows to people like Jordan Peterson, people like Ben Shapiro, people who Alex also hates. Right.

So the idea of him attacking Joe kind of makes sense because that pipeline doesn't feed him. Right. It's interesting. I don't know. These are a lot of unprocessed thoughts. Yeah, there's also got to be a ton of Alex feeling very, very jealous that the space that he carved out, that he almost single-handedly carved out for himself to his credit and to the world's detriment has now been superseded by all kinds of dumb fucks like QAnon or Ben Shapiro or those fucks where you're like, God damn it, I paved the way and I'm getting fucked over now. Like, I get it.

Yep. He's getting taken down by Marlowe, man. That's what's going on here. He was, what's his face? The information scape that he helped create has fostered people who are much more slick than him. And that's kind of the nature of how things go. The next generation is always going to be better at the tools that the last generation created. Right.

That whole sort of thing is just the nature of life. That's why you've got to do positive things. You've got to nurture positive folk because they will use those tools in positive ways as opposed to whatever this is. And we've talked so much about it, but it's always important to be and to make an effort to be a ladder down kind of guy. Yes. When I, if I go up, I'm putting a ladder down for you too. Yeah. You mean Bono?

I think so. Yeah. He's going to need some help. I think he's going to need a lot of help. So in this next clip, Alex swears he's going to destroy Joe Rogan. The threats don't matter to me. Oh, I'll still be your friend, Joe. That's not a threat.

I'll never talk to you again. I'll never come on your show again. I'm going to destroy you. I understand it now. I'm going to get you. I'm coming for you. You understand that? What do you think I am?

What do you think I do? Are we doing a show? This is crazy. Is this a show? Is this an info war show? Or is this him like leaving weird voicemails on fucking somebody's dad's home phone? I like that Alex thinks that him saying, I'm still your friend. I care about you.

That's a threat. That's a threat. And then he goes, I'm coming for you. I want war. That's not a threat. No. Well, that's a threat in kind. You know, you know how when, you know how when somebody's like.

Really insane behavior. I love you and I care for you. And you're like, I will kill you because that's what I heard in my head because I am totally mentally stable. Those are fighting words. Exactly. I honestly, as you're saying, like, is this a show that we're listening to? I honestly feel like is this a show?

We are just going to end up listening to him have a complete breakdown about Rogan. And I don't know if there's much value other than demonstrating that this is a PR stunt. But behind it is like what, what he's doing is trying to find new ways to get that inflow of people to replace the people who are leaving him. Yeah. And this is the best way to do it. I don't know. I'm not sure it's our hardest hitting episode we'll ever have done in our lives.

But I think it's important to every now and again, make a demonstration of what he's doing and why sometimes it's very enticing to post a ton of stuff about like, oh, Rogan and Alex are going to fight. Isn't this exciting? Yeah. And sometimes you got to curb that impulse because you're playing into the troll that Alex is doing. You are unwittingly being a part of his PR stunt that would just fall flat if you don't.

Right. That's, that's sort of my larger thesis about a lot of this. I am interested to know because, because the, the, the problem with the performative aspect of podcasting in, you know, even if you have Joe Rogan's audience is like, how much of that, like I love you and I care for you and I would still give you a hug is calculated. How much of that is part of the performance? It seems very conversational. Exactly.

But he is a, he is a guy who's done stand up for a long time. Exactly. You know, like there's a lot of, I mean, a lot of stand up training is making things that you plan to say, CMX, temporary news. So I don't know. You could, if you want to get real sinister about it, there could be a part that like he's trolling Alex with his, his decency or whatever you get into, like that, that, that is a, that is a, a Gordian knot that you cannot untie that.

Which is the thing that I am interested in is in all of this, like Alex's reaction makes perfect sense to me. Right. He's a fucking lunatic. And of course he's going to react like this and a lunatic who has a calculating lunatic with a, yeah, yeah, who's, who clearly stands to benefit from his opportunity motive, all of it. Right.

It's all very clear. Whereas with Joe, Joe has no reason to talk about Alex. He does in the sense that a lot of people would be, find it weird if he didn't. Right. So to the extent that he has, I don't really, I don't think it's all that weird. I think the motive is there in terms of like people expect him to at least, at least address the idea that this person is attacking him. Right.

But my, my thought is like, I would be interested to know what Joe's actual response, like just from a perfect emotional human standpoint to this would be. Because my suspicion is Joe is going to listen to this and be like, Oh, I get it. Like I don't know how you could listen to Alex go this far. But I don't know if Joe responded after this. I don't, I don't, I, I don't know if he has either. I'm just saying like, I don't know if you could listen to this and how over the fucking top it is.

Yeah. Without being like, dude, yeah. If you were, especially if you know the person. Yeah. If he had just given like a sentence or two or is like, you know what? I don't, what Joe did was unforgivable and I will never go on a show again and then did his regular show. Yeah.

I imagine that if I was Joe, I'd be like, Holy shit, man, that wasn't cool. But if you spend an hour and a half being like, I'm going to light his balls on fire with my nun chucks and you're like, yeah, dude, dude, I get it. Yeah. I'm a bigger show than yours. Fine. But when we talk about genuine Alex reactions, we, we generally don't, and we're not going to.

And this is definitely not. No, no. But no, the ones that aren't genuine often involve really creepy mumbles. And this next clip is a perfect, is it too late to rename our show to really creepy mumbles? Don't give me any more pleasantries. I want war. Give me your attacks, everything.

Now you understand the shape of things. That's good. Now you understand, I'll get my hands politically around your neck and all your tough guy craps gonna end real quick. Because we've taken down Hillary. Is this what the shape of water with the globalist and we're going to take down Soros and we're going to take you down because God wants purity. God wants things hot and cold, not lukewarm.

God wants me to wage war. God told me destroy Joe Rogan. Yes, sir. Jesus, I will do it. No more games. War. Ah, that's lame. That's lame.

War. Your heart is an enemy. War. You want war against our children? No. You want war against God? You will get war. The harvest of war is here.

Weak. I will detonate, thanks to God's blessing, not the defeat of Hillary, but the next great mission before I'm done. I will detonate the war that leads to your destruction. And Joe is only a baby in this, but he's an example of these fools who must first be destroyed before they're cleansed. You're right. That's kind of the reason I played that clip, because it is so fucking awful, so weak.

It doesn't even feel like a passionate Alex. I know. We've listened to a million hours of Alex, and we can tell for sure when his heart is in the weird, stupid fucking rant. That clip is titled Alex Wants War, Mumbles a Bit, This is a PR Stun. Because that's where you get from that. You get like, there's, there's intentionality, there's a craft to it. There is the idea that like, give me your attacks.

That's not saying I want to fight you. That's like, if you attack me, I really want that. That will be good for me, please. I'm going to say horrible things in a hope that you cannot stop yourself from responding. That's what's going on here. This is a, this is a bait. This is a troll. Um, so anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about how effective he is at attacking people

and, uh, I have some thoughts. Make all you do. Fill your hand, dude. You're getting the full attack. See, that's even disappointing. Just get ready. It's going to be long. You're hurting.

Fill your hand. It's going to be intense. Dot com, which redirects. Stop. And there has no one has what stood it. So I'm not on a power trip about that. In fact, I don't attack people unless I get green lit at a gut level, but I'm going to run you politically and all the rest of your people over.

So let's go to war. No one has ever survived Alex attacking them. I'd like to tell you about two people. I know at least one guy probably technically who didn't survive Alex attacking you. True. I know one guy did. And that was a guy who Alex went on air and said, I will fight this lawsuit and I will win or I will die trying and then settled two days later and had to give a public apology

to Hamdi. Oh, look, Kaya. Also, Alex had to give a public apology to James Oliphantus, owner of Comet ping pong pizza for all the horrible shit he said about him. Like everyone survives Alex's attacks. Everyone does. Everyone. You know who survives?

Alex does because they just accept an apology and don't take him for all these worth for all the defamation that he engages in. So no, Alex, get out of here with his. No one survives my attacks the fuck out of here. You know, you know what just occurred to me? I think so far with our knowledge of Hamdi, you, Kaya, the least beneficent thing he has ever done for the human race is not take Alex to the cleaners, right? You know, like that might be the one black spot.

Well, it's a matter of empathy, but it's a matter of scale. It's the greater good, man. Well, you know, you know, showing mercy to one person is showing a non-mercy to many, perhaps. There you go. Prioritized the one person who was in his crosshairs over the other people who would be hurt and maybe that's a failing or maybe that is just a let, let the bygones be got bygones kind of thing.

Right. Who knows? That's the new morality question they have in those ethics classes where it's like, oh, if you were, if you had a lever, would you pull the train to kill one person and save five lives? Or would you leave it alone and let five people die in order to save one would you sue a motherfucking asshole or save his life and ruin everybody else? Would you follow through with a lawsuit with a penitent bigot, knowing that their apology

will be in bad faith? Tough decision. I know what I would do. I know what I would do. But I also don't second guess Hamdi Ulekaya's decision. I don't pretend to understand all the variables he was putting into place. So you know, I understand that greater positives could have come out of Alex having to pay millions of dollars or whatever he would have had to pay when he was dead to rights in that lawsuit.

But you know, whatever for all the good Hamdi has done, I'm not going to, not going to kick him for that losing points in my book. So Alex keeps saying that Joe Rogan uses Soros talking points. And like I said, he never really explains what these talking points are. He does say that he has like inside documents of the talking points, but he never produces them. He says what they say inside documents, all this bullshit, it's just the white papers all over.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he does make one sort of example of what he means by Soros talking points. And it's weak. And he goes, Oh, I'm not doing talking points. And he goes, but media matters says, Jones says, Sandy Hook never happened. Media matters has some edited tape. I have a right to say Sandy Hook never happened. And when the internet doubted it, I looked at it and said, I can see.

See how people think it's totally synthetic and fake because of all the other false things we've seen, dead babies and incubators and all the other fake news. And then they edit that. And then they sue me in rigged jurisdictions, whatever, I'm not worried about that. Should be. So Alex is claiming. So the Soros talking points thing is just that Joe referenced a video that was posted on media matters.

Yeah. I do believe that the video probably was edited in as much as it's not Alex's entire show, but it's not edited like spliced together in such a way as to be like taking. I think that Sandy Hook was not real. Right. I mean, we've played tons of clips and it was totally fake. Fuck this. I thought there were kids who actually died there.

Turns out I was wrong. All that stuff's like the idea that like this is a Soros talking point because he got it from media matters is ludicrous. That's just a source that he found the information that Alex was lying to him about. Alex said all we did was question it. We had debates on media matters. I found a video that was very clear. It's Alex literally saying it didn't happen multiple times, multiple instances of him

saying Sandy Hook was fake. Kids didn't die there. It's not using the Soros talking point. That's using the video that they posted. If anything, that's using an Alex talking point because they got it from him. Pretty much. Now, if it was that, I believe that if it was that fun, yeah, we'd be like, no, no, no, fuck off.

We'll kill you. Yeah. Hey, media matters. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so crazy to me that like that. They're not James O'Keeffe, right? But that's his only who Alex loves.

Yeah, exactly. His only example of the Soros talking point is that Joe mentioned that on media matters, he found a video of Alex saying that Sandy Hook was real. In his paranoid psychology, though, what he has done is turned any point of reality that he fundamentally disagrees with into a conspiracy or a Soros talking anything that pierces his fake reality. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just him saying Soros talking point is him saying a reality that I don't disagree with or the reality that disagrees with me. Right. Right. You know, right. So it could be anything. And I can tertiaryly attach to Soros.

Yeah. It's almost, it's almost like if you, if you were, if he had forgotten where the Mississippi River was and you were like, no, it's on the line between these states, he'd be like, you're fucking Soros talking point, you know, like it just, it doesn't mean anything. Well, one of the things that I think is like, interesting is like on our show, when there's a source that's from info wars.com or that Alex uses or like Daily Collar or world, world net daily, like I don't not world's our hip hop, of course, I don't not read it. You know, like, and if the article is good and it's sourced, I'll still take a fucking

article from Daily Collar. If it's correct. Yeah. If it's not. Yeah. Because it's information. Right. Yeah.

Now, generally, most of the time that I have read them, it's a bad. Problems. Yeah. There's a problem. Yeah. But just because I don't like the source doesn't mean I'm going to throw the baby out with the bathwater and say like one time out of 10 million, they might have a good article or whatever.

Yeah. I'm not going to, I'm going to come in with a slight prejudice, but you know, allow the possibility that this is real. So when I hear things like, and I could do that, I could do that like, Oh, Alex is referencing a Daily Collar article. This is big Tucker Carlson. Yeah. Yeah.

I could just do that. That game isn't fun because it's, it's stupid. It's just stupid. And the idea that he's like, Oh, media matters got some funding from George Soros at some point. Oh, it's all Soros narratives like the fuck out of here. So Jordan, I got a question for you. What's that?

Literature. Well, I don't know, Dan. What kind of literature are we talking about? What do you know about my boy Quikwag? Oh, man, he got fucked. At this point in the show, Alex launches into a, we'll go over the course of two clips, a discussion about Moby Dick. We're talking about Moby Dick.

I'm legitimately excited to see what it is, Alex, because all I, I think all he did was read the headline of Moby Dick, Moby Dick, Big Whale, Guy Obsessed, White Whale. Am I rooting for him or wait? The guy is white too. Oh shit. All I do is hope Quikwag dies. I don't think he knows. Quikwag.

Fair. I want to say this before we get into any of this, I don't know what his point is. Listen to these clips. I am not sure. But I do know he has not read Moby Dick. I know that for sure. You've chosen the wrong side and you're going to be destroyed. No matter what happens to me, Joe, you're done.

It's like Captain Ahab and and the whale. Oh, Moby Dick. You know, is Joe Rogan Bill Shakespeare, Captain Ahab or is he Moby Dick? I don't care either way. What the point is you should. Is that I sit there with the number one political show on YouTube that Joe was viciously jealous of and admitted was way bigger than his show. And then I get taken off and then he gets up there

and he talks about how I won on his show and all this crap. Dude, I don't want laurels that I didn't earn. I don't want to be you. I don't want to be given your life. That's weird. Is Joe Ahab or Moby Dick? I don't know. Are you the whale?

Are you the captain? I don't know. Seems important in the metaphor. Could be anybody. I guess. Are there any other supporting characters in that book? What about the many movie adaptations that were made of it? Here's my problem with this.

I don't even understand why that started. You know, like I don't understand why the Moby Dick metaphor started. I think I think what he's thinking is who's hunting whom. I think. Well, I think he's thinking he's Captain Ahab and Rogan is the white whale. No, no, he's going to die taking down the white whale. Emotionally, where he's at. Yes, I agree.

Yeah, but not based on what he just said. I don't get what he just said. Well, I kind of don't think he knows if anybody wins in the end. I kind of don't think he's like, I think he's like hedging his bets. He fell asleep in the middle of the movie adaptation. I am not sure if the whale or the guy won. So, you know what? Who is the good guy?

Let's throw them all in there. And the answer is none of them were a good guy, Alex. So in a certain way, his metaphor does kind of make sense in that clip. I was like, I'm very confused by what you're trying to say. I don't understand. And on the other hand, the whale was just a fucking whale. True. It was a metaphor for other shit. Well, get this in this next clip.

Alex tries to take the metaphor into different places. Oh, that's not going to be good. Interestingly, makes it worse. That doesn't sound possible. Well, not worse, but it's more clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about, which I find very interesting. And then he spirals into talking about how he's going to choke Rogan out with his tentacles, because now he's a sea monster.

He's a squid. She kept an ambition fighting. A whale, is he? See, that's that's true. No, no, but that's true. We were like, Alex, OK, that's true. Maybe you've got it. Maybe you've got it.

The spark. Yeah, you're getting it. He's not actually fighting the whale. Yes. All right. Yeah, right, Alex. That was the only part. I'm like, is Alex going to come? Correct. Nope.

If you're a whale, you're fighting a big squid. Ten times bigger. No whale. No sperm whales ever fought that. Just a little sperm whale. There's a squid this long. That's me. One of my tentacles.

Your entire head. I'm going to show you for noise. One tentacle right now is wrapped around you. OK. And don't worry, I'll show you. I will squeeze you slowly, slowly, slowly. Big stuff. Hollywood guy.

Just very slowly touches. Squeeze. Squeeze and give you what you want, Hollywood. Because vengeance is God. That's where this all comes from. And so now you get the full, full heat load. See, it's just all this only start. That's I wish I was an adult.

I wish I was an adult. That's so weird. I wish I could listen to that. How like his sound effect was just a fart. That's so crazy. I'm I'm the squid now. Great. What? Isn't that great?

That is great. What starts with interesting, like, oh, you're right. Doesn't matter, because now I'm a squid. I'm a jokie. Wow. This is like a 12 year old. Totally. This is this is a child where it's like, oh, yeah.

20,000 leagues under the sea. He definitely hasn't seen the squid in the whale. That's a very different movie. Maybe that maybe you've seen the headline. But I don't mean title. I thought it was an adaptation of that must be Moby Dick, right? Captain Ahab's a squid.

I remember my favorite part of Moby Dick was whenever Captain Ahab tragically throwing his spear at the whale and then goes down. And then it turns out that there's just a giant squid that ate him both. It was a real Twilight Zone twist for for Moby Dick to have. Squid is Ex Machino. Yeah, sort of disappointing on a narrative level.

It actually all turned out to be a dream that the squid was having. Right. That is crazy. Yeah, it was a scene elsewhere. It was a five year old autistic kid. Yeah. So look, dude, I have a lot of thoughts

about what Alex's motivation is in doing all this. Like I've expressed already, I think it's a crass PR stunt. Yeah, I think it's also probably partially involved in Owen Benjamin being a negative influence on Alex. But then also Alex in this next clip gives a reason for why he's doing this that I think is simultaneously true and also Alex is saying this as sort of blustery bullshit.

Yeah. But I think that there is a, I would say, maybe a 15% truth to this next clip. So see, Joe, you're my way to get Jack Dorsey and you're my way to get them all. And so now it's kind of like missile command. You can hit those buttons as fast as you want, but more missiles just keep coming down.

I don't care if you blow me out of the air. Because I've already launched 1,000 other missiles, Joe. See, Joe, you're in the pretend Hollywood world. I'm in the big boy world. The big boy world. Sorry, let's stop pontificating. No, let's stop metaphoring. That wasn't pontificating at all.

That was just mumbling. The missile stuff is not the 15% true. I think that there is a tiny truth to Alex thinking that attacking Joe will somehow be a message to Jack and maybe get him back on Twitter or something like that. Or a way for him to then attack Jack through attacking Rogan or something like that. But I feel like, first of all, I feel like the fact

that Alex is saying it means it's not really what he's angling for. And then also I just don't think it's a reasonable expectation to have from attacking Joe. I think that right now Twitter is his white whale. Perhaps all of social media is Alex's white whale. Who's Ishmael? And he's going to go down.

And he's never getting back on either of those things. And even if he does, it will be at the end of both of them. And Friendster is a squid. Friendster is a squid. Man, wouldn't it be amazing if Friendster wound up winning throughout all of this? Somebody just brings it back? Wow.

That would be a twist. That would be a twist. What a twist. I don't know. What if M. Night Shyamalan directed Moby Dick? What if he directed social media? So in this next clip, I already told you that Eddie Bravo telling Alex that Rogan was being threatened

and all that stuff was a joey D as prank. Yeah. Alex doesn't realize that in this next clip. So you sit there and you attack me and say, I was dishonest with you. And then he goes, oh, and I was never threatened. Jones lied about that. Eddie Bravo told me you were threatened.

I'm sure Eddie's a great guy. Bravo. He won't talk to me since all this happened. He said that. He admitted he said that. So I didn't lie. Eddie Bravo said that. It doesn't matter, Joe.

You shouldn't listen to Eddie Bravo. No one should listen to Eddie Bravo. He's a nice guy, but don't take him seriously. He's a sweetheart, but he is the dumbest man I've ever heard speak. Maybe not even the dumbest man, but most gullible. Oh, he's so gullible. He's very smart in specific ways.

Like, don't take that away from him. No. His brain has a good capacity to understand a lot of the kinesthetic things that you and I couldn't possibly understand. Oh, absolutely not. The idea of how to use your body in certain ways. He's a genius in many ways, but he is very gullible. He's a flat earther, right?

I don't know if he is presently. Certainly has been in the past. I would say he's a very fun person to be around as long as you dismiss ideas that can't be backed up. Alex is not the sort of receptor. Like he's a bad person to talk to Eddie Bravo because Eddie talks shit. And he's gullible as hell and just repeats things. And then Alex is like, oh, I'll take that as a source.

Yeah, yeah. And so then it becomes Alex is like on air. He's like, Joe Rogan's been threatened. And then, and then when it comes out that he hasn't been and Joe's like, Alex keeps saying my family's been threatened. That's bullshit. I don't know. I don't know why he's saying this.

Oh, it turns out it was Joe Diaz prank. Yeah. Told me that. And then Alex is like, hey, Eddie Bravo told me that. Right. If you, Alex Jones, are reporting things that Eddie Bravo tells you socially, that calls into question everything that you've ever reported from an anonymous source because it could be Eddie Bravo.

It could be Eddie Bravo. It 100% could be. No disrespect to Eddie Bravo, but you're not a high level source. But that's what's interesting about him. I've listened to a bunch of stuff. He like interviews of him and like episodes of him on Rogan and stuff. And he's obnoxious and a little annoying at times and stuff. But I have no problem with that.

He still has a charm to him that I never want to. I never want to attack him. And I never want to talk shit. I wish I could say the same thing about me. You know, like I just. He has, he has some innocence to him that maybe he has, he has a complete lack of guile. That's what's amazing.

That's what it is. He has a complete lack of guile. There's no craft to his. No, no, no, no, there's no, there, there doesn't appear to be like malice or intent. Yeah. He wants to believe. It's not that he wants to do anything beyond that. It's like, I want to believe you.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which could just be Fox Mulder. So in this next clip, uh, this, there's no point for me to play this clip, but I'm going to anyway, because I think it's so funny in the middle of this show or we're getting towards the end of February 5th and Alex, the break music is playing like it's all, it's all going the amen break.

Um, and, uh, Cool Herk is in, uh, is spinning in the back. He's in the middle of just, uh, nothing and he decides to launch into an entirely new conversation as the going to break music plays. Okay. And he gets hit by a hard break while he talks about darts as a metaphor. Paul Watson is going to transfer his brain into mine. That's what I'm going to do. I'd like, here's what happened.

I'm sorry. I took the gloves off. That we should go. The gloves are off with all of you. I've never felt better in my life. I'm hurting. I can sit there at like 15 feet and throw triple bullseyes. I'm in pain.

Right now. Someone else finally decided to cry. You may need this herbal tea for relief, right? Break. Hard break. I have great darts in the dark. You might need this herbal tea, man. There's nothing like a man expressing deep, deep psychological pain and then getting cut

off by fucking herbal tea. That's fantastic. Yeah. So he plays a bit of Rogan's, uh, talking about him and he just interrupts it the same way he does with all the clothes. And I wanted to cut a bunch of that stuff, but I really didn't think it actually went that well for Alex or for, uh, like understanding his mental state. Like it just was kind of boilerplate in a lot of ways.

He only gets through maybe two sentences or two or three sentences that Rogan says. And then he's like, I need to do this later because you know what Paul Joseph Watson's hosting the next hour, right? I gotta, I gotta let him host. So I'm going to get out of here. You know, that sort of thing. He said, we'll do it later. Yeah.

And so the next day, you know, we get to the sixth and then I'm like, well, last night was the state of the union. So probably going to hear about that. Nope. But also, but also Rogan, he's still mad at Rogan and he said he's going to get back to it. So we jump into the sixth and listen to this shit. You know, I missed your Rogan's phone call last night.

I had my phone off. Sure you did. But I really am so disgusted. I don't know if I would have taken the call when I knew he called. Nevertheless, Joe will be on with us at the bottom of the next hour of life. No. So. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No. I refuse to believe that's real. Isn't that wild? He should have a Joe Rogan impersonator on. Isn't that wild? Isn't that wild? The idea, the very idea. Fuck you.

Wouldn't that be almost too conciliatory? Fuck off. He just said he was going to slit his throat politically. Well, let's finish the clip. So I guess we'll take his call live here on here. Unlike the fact that he never lets me defend myself on his podcast. I thought you didn't care about going on his podcast. Seems like you care.

So Joe Rogan will be on. Bottom of the next hour. Along with traffic. And of course, satire starts with an S. I'll leave it there. What does that mean? Satire starts with an S. Does that mean is that an attire reference attire clothing?

What would it? What does satire begins with an S mean? I don't really don't understand that one. I don't get the reference. Is that a thing? It might. It might be, but I don't. I don't.

That's certainly not something that's not a colloquialism. I've ever heard. I've never heard that. Yeah. I don't know. But that should give you some indication that Joe Rogan is not coming up on the show. Oh, he's not.

No. Oh, I get it. He's going to make fun of Rogan later. I get it. He's going to talk about Rogan. But he's, but he's made it vague enough that if you're listening and you don't understand what he's saying, that will be something that people will start putting out in the social media.

Rogan's going to be coming up on the show. Right. The guys are going to actually have a fight on air. It's going to be awesome. Yeah. That's such a bummer manipulative trick that he's pulling. That's such a bummer. I will tell you this right now.

When you type in, uh, satire begins with an S, even if you're using quotation marks around it, Google has no answer for you. That sounds about right. Google's like, are you looking for satire or are you looking for colloquialisms that don't exist? It's honestly probably a Moby Dick quote. If I had to guess. So Alex, everybody knows a modest proposal begins with an M.

So we all know because I've already told you Rogan isn't coming. But Alex is going to do something that's very disappointing. Uh, but if you're listening to this, he's presented the premise that Rogan is going to be on later. Yeah. And so he does the rest of the show with a ton of ads and stuff like that because he knows that everybody's sitting there waiting. He's done what is sort of the, uh, propaganda show version of a thirst trap.

Yeah. Which is the idea that like, sure, there's no cleavage here or anything like that, but it is the anticipation, the idea that Rogan might be calling it. Right. Right. Can you imagine how much fun that'll be? Right. And so he,

It's like when you're watching the biggest little whorehouse in Texas and you're like, Oh, Dolly Parton. She's in a whorehouse. It's a musical. Now what's weird about this is that Alex does talk a bit about the, the state of the union. And a lot of it is kind of what I would categorize as like boy, he's defending Trump, but it's not the same as it used to be.

It's not the same thing. It's defending Trump by virtue of attacking the people he wants to attack. Right. It's different than like this guy gets it all. Now the exception is that Trump was talking about killing babies as opposed to talking about preventative care and abortion being women's healthcare. And Alex was thrilled about that. But even six months ago, Trump saying something like that would have been the entire show.

And it was just something who's like, it's great. He said that. Yeah. As if it was just another politician who had said, yeah. So there, there are changes you can see even within that, but it's not really important because Alex gets so weird on this February 6th show in a way that I think is irresponsible. And I think he didn't mean to do. He starts.

I'm going to be honest with you. He might as well be a project Camelot episode right now. Okay. Now I'm in here on out. Now I'm in. We're in spider leadership territory from here on out. The rest of this is slight Rogan stuff and project Camelot. Listen to this fucking shit.

This you might, you could easily imagine Kerry Cassidy listening to this silently. And then once the clip ends, we're saying, hmm. And I knew God was real and I knew all this was real before. Right. Because of experiences and six cents and things I grew up seeing and all of it. But when I went to a city fully under. Alien control. Like San Francisco or Seattle.

That's a couple of their main bases, as you know, their main breakthrough points. They've breached. They've got pretty much the whole city under their control. Aliens, demons, whatever it is, whatever is that Zimmerman is not a cowardly guy. That's his one of his producers. Oh, okay. With me after about two days. We were there for six days in Seattle, particularly cause he saw it.

I want to own a pause right there. Zimmerman is one of his cameraman producer guys. And so like Alex is going to be like, he saw the evil there. And I'm guessing what really happened is this is a young buck. Some, some guy who was just like, I don't, I think that every time we go out, it's really hostile. And I don't want to be, I don't want to, I didn't sign up for this. Right. I assume that's the case, but.

See, cause my first thought was he's talking about Zimmerman, the fucking murderer. No, no, no. Okay. No, he is not yet an employee of info. Yeah, no shit. He saw it where we would round one corner. And the, the, it was like, it was like agent Smith and the matrix, the elites telling you all this, which is jumping the person after person. And it was like people were saying incredibly evil, horrible things to me as I would round a corner.

The next person would finish the sentence and do it in a demonic voice. We've played a lot of these videos. No, you haven't. No, you absolutely haven't. Haven't you heard all those demonic voice videos? He hasn't played these videos. It would be amazing if he had. That would be awesome.

The idea of him having a conversation with one person over here, the camera pans around the corner. The other person finishes their sentence in a demonic voice. That'd be fantastic. Yeah. That video would be crazy. Dude, I would, I wouldn't have that video. He shouldn't even, if he doesn't, and he didn't even bother to stage it because that would be a perfect video to stage. It would be very, very easy.

So easy. Yeah. Yep. This guy's lazy. Didn't even read Moby Dick. I didn't read Moby Dick. So that's one thing. Now I'll be clear.

Like Alex is like, he's saying these are cities under alien control. Call them demons, whatever you want. Call them whatever you want. I don't think that's good enough. Like in terms of dismissing that he is saying it's demons or aliens because he is saying that. Yeah. If you flip, he makes clear that it's an invasion. There's no doubt now that this is an interdimensional alien invasion.

And you notice they don't ever play me saying that. There's no doubt. Because they know it. San Francisco. And they never play him saying that. They worship it. They worship. They believe that they are.

If you read the Bible, it's exactly that. A literal lower level dimensional attack. And that's why when you run into these things, they're so low level. They're so stupid. They're so hateful. All they want to do like zombies is kill people and attack children. So I guess it's the operating system of this thing to make us all kill each other. Sure.

I'm not. I've looked at every angle of it. But the point is gone and everybody else and I had General Stubblebine who ran the operations about this. They were given volunteers like astronauts, mega doses of drugs. Okay. With wires hooked into their brains. And they were in interdimensional meetings with the damn aliens. Okay.

You don't meet the aliens in a flying saucer by the moon. Keep it coming baby. In this interdimensional vortex. I mean it up. I'm not the one saying it. They're the ones that are doing it. That's insane. That is that Alex should not be talking loose lips, sink ships to quote Ishmael.

This is terrible. The idea because he always talks so vaguely about where he's getting this information from. Now we know a lot of that stuff is coming from Stubblebine. Stubblebine. We can throw that baby out with that bathwater. Goodbye. Because General Stubblebine, Alex could not have been talking to him before he was 70 years old

and had been drummed out of the service in 1984 for bringing quote unquote psychics into secured areas they weren't allowed to be into and had spent years and a ton of government money unsuccessfully trying to walk through walls. So I don't give a fuck. Whatever he's talking about like General Stubblebine is someone who you should interview and be interested by the quirks. It should not be somebody that you're like this guy knows everything. That's bad to me.

So now Alex, you've got this information about the interdimensional invasion of alien demons and stuff. And the first thing you come up with is fucking Stubblebine told me. I'm not interested. I'm not interested. You fucked up by telling me your source. It makes me frustrated that you can't get a metaphor about Moby Dick right. But at the same time, you're going to say that there are interdimensional aliens. And I thought he was starting out as a metaphor.

I thought interdimensional aliens started out as being like these libs or these illegal immigrants or anything like this. But then he jumps direct into actual alien invasion. The libs and the immigrants and all of them. We are. We are aliens. No. No, we're under the sway of aliens. Well, I mean, I guess it's probably a matter of scale.

Can we do. Yeah, yeah. Like some. Where are you in the hierarchy? Some probably are secretly demonic. Right. People like AOC is obviously. Super demon.

She's a demon. Yeah, super demon. But someone like you or me were probably just under the sway of some of these disco demons. Disco demons? Yeah. Well, we are in Chicago and we were around for disco. We weren't around, but. Disco demolition night.

Disco demolition night. I'm a big fan of it. Disco. That was totally lower, lower level demons. So yeah, I think that he obviously the presentation of it is the people who believe left leaning policies and that sort of thing are the ones who are a part of this demonic invasion. Right, of course. But probably not the actual demon. He always tries to do this fucking stupid game that he plays where he's like, this is what I'm saying.

This is what these people are into when I'm fucking like trying to fight against it. Do you understand how badly I need to fight against this? This is life or death people. Yeah. Like that sort of thing. And then two minutes later, he'll be like, I don't believe it. They believe. Right.

Right. And it's like, man, if you are, if your enemy believes something that you don't believe, you don't have to fight them. Because they're, they're dumb. What? Like if they believe something, no idea that aliens give them power and there isn't a power. You don't have to like diffuse that power. It doesn't exist. It's not real.

So I, I just want to be really clear on this. People who are like, we should and can provide healthcare. And then people who are like, we should spend less money on a ridiculous military and spend more of that on people. And people who are like, maybe the wealthy don't need to have all of the money and we should spread it around. Those people are demons. Largely. In this next clip, Alex talks more about some of these generals that he's talked to who have talked to aliens. Wait, we're really doing the alien stuff.

Oh yeah. This is Project Camelot, man. Oh, call it aliens, whatever it is, man. I've had three star generals on that had people with wires sucked in their brains in damn two year meetings with aliens that lasted one second long. I mean, you understand, folks, that's what the Pentagon does. That's what's going on. It's already happening. It's been happening for decades.

I thought they were fucking up. And any aliens that will contact this planet are bad, folks. God doesn't contact us because of free will. Oh boy. I thought God told you to attack you. This is like a flu or cancer we have. This crap. Oh, okay.

And everyone knows it at a genetic level that we're far superior to these damn zombies. So they tell us to give in to them and submit to them and go along with all this and have no morals so that they can run their operating system and poison the sky and the genetics and irrevocably attack us. We are under attack. We are under attack. This is not of this world. So it's aliens. They're coming in telling us to destroy ourselves and what have you. Poison the sky.

I don't know. The only thing that I've ever seen was against poison the sky was regulations against pollution and stuff like that. Relations are evil. Yeah, that's a problem. I kind of am offended. What level? I think that's really xenophobic. And I don't think that's okay.

Yeah. I don't think that's okay. I'm going to take a stand here. I think that's racist against the whole galaxy. I fucking racist aliens or no, he's racist towards aliens. Yeah, but I mean, I do admire his restraint and not saying there's. I admire his restraint. Sure.

Because he could say that. He could. I've had generals on who told me people have had probes in their head. Two year long meetings. In a second. In a second. In a second. Oh, that doesn't sound suspicious at all.

All projects. That sounds like the plot of contact, but okay. This is all exactly the same sort of stuff that we see on Project Camelot. And what's so interesting to me is oftentimes when we make the connection between the worlds, it's so much of these ding dongs on Project Camelot that relate to things. Alex says. Yeah. It's kind of rare that we see Alex just overtly straight up.

Yeah. The same sort of secret space program nonsense that we see in Kerry's. I talked to this incredible captain who told me all about these raptors. Oh, dude, we got to try and hook them up. Oh, we do got to try and hook them up. Yeah, but Alex can't make it to Vacaville. He's in Austin. Doesn't travel much.

But he could send one of his. He could send Owen Benjamin. Sure. Get him out of town for a while. Maybe you become friends with Joe. Strikes up a friendship with Captain Mark Richards. The last person who would be a friend. Well, the two of them become friends and then maybe three months later, Mark Richards is

like, I don't want to talk to Owen Benjamin anymore. Owen Benjamin starts making videos about how Mark Richards is full of shit. I'll tell you what. Mark Richards is full of shit. I'll tell you this right now. He just listens to Sam Harris all the time. I'll tell you this right now. They would not let Alex have a pen in Vacaville.

He is definitely using a crayon to write out his notes. Undoubtedly. So in the sex clip, Alex talks about how these aliens that he's afraid of. Yeah. Which by the way, he keeps saying like, he's such a coward because he makes that he keeps making this whole thing was like, I don't believe this. They believe it. It's like, you are, you are expressing that you believe this.

He literally just said it's interdimensional. He said it multiple times. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. He's saying that this is what I believe in. He wants to phrase it more like demons. Yeah.

Some people might think it's aliens. He's accepting the label of alien, but I just think it's so cowardly that he keeps couching it with like, everyone says that I think this. No, it's what they think and I'm scared that they think it. Yeah. Fuck off. Just make your point or don't. Yeah.

Stand your ground. Stack up. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. We're fine making our claims that Alex is full of shit. I'm not saying someone else said it. No.

We're saying it. Yeah. Yeah. Say what you mean, Alex. And what do you mean? You can glean from context clues and it is that there is an interdimensional invasion that is coming to earth, whether it be aliens or demons, whatever. What is the difference, really?

Right. And there's a transmission that they're sending. Okay. That's what we're dealing with. A nocturnal transmitter. A spirit. A force. A broadcast.

Kill yourselves. Kill yourselves. Kill yourselves. You dial into the globalist channel. It's just like death metal. You're the best death metal singer ever. Hell, I can just dial into their frequency. That's all you hear.

They live was about Reagan, dude. They go, oh, you sound like a schizophrenic. They're people that have already fallen to this stuff or can't handle it. That's why perception is so narrow. Wait, huh? Because people can't handle this. I'm not the one saying all this. San Francisco, big tech, literally worship.

Compliment your health with. Got caught by another heartbreak there. Sorry about that, Alex. I can't get enough of that. He almost doesn't know how to do his show anymore. I would like 30 more examples of him in the middle of screaming and then it just gets cut off by a. I would say it happens more than you think.

I love it. And it almost, it charms me a little bit more than even the ad pivots. Oh, absolutely. Because I'm noticing like, I'm looking at all our clips and there's no ad pivots, but they happened. Yeah. They happened throughout the entire two days that we're covering. Of course.

But it is more funny to have him cut off in the middle of a passionate sense. So fun. For a milk toast, weird, dumb ad. Oh, insane. Um, but yeah. So there's a transmission coming that says kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself. Yeah.

They live. So he said at the beginning of this episode that Rogan is going to be on. And we've already dealt with the fact that he's not going to come on. So there's no reveal there necessarily. Right. But if you're listening, you probably still think he is coming on. Right. So it's going to be a surprise that an hour later, Mike Adams comes on and Mike

Adams, the health ranger shows up and Alex does this whole little song and dance about like, Hey, Mike Adams, Mike Adams, the measles outbreak ranger. Hey, you're a big, you're, you're a busy guy. You're really have a big business to take care of. You're a busy guy. Why did you get in touch with me and want to get on today? Why is it so important that you get on? And so they talk some shit about Joe Rogan and then, of course, then Mike says

this and it's important to consider that the way he's talking implies that he was listening to the beginning of the show because he references. He thinks Joe is going to be on. Well, no. Oh, he, he's listened to Alex's talk about these aliens and their agenda. Oh, no. This is the health ranger. Wild.

Well, first Alex, I want to say that you on the cosmic extermination agenda that you have been talking about, I just want to affirm that you are 100% on track, that the call has gone out to exterminate humanity. And this is why Democrats are now pro-infanticide. This is why they love the idea of murdering Christians, murdering conservatives, killing Trump. They're all about death and execution now because the order has come down. From aliens.

Wow. Demons. Wow. That's wild. Wow. These people are so goddamn stupid. White people do not like to lose. It's just, it's just insane.

I don't understand it. We're white. It has to be aliens. It's just nuts. Like, prove your first concept. Like, in any of this stuff. Like, prove any of the things you're saying. I don't know who you are, Dan, right now.

Either the, a half or the whale, but I'm telling you, it doesn't matter. There is an invasion and order has come down for infanticide and killing everybody. How old are you people? People are 50. Grow the fuck up. Mike Adams is 100% older than Alex. Jesus Christ. 100%.

This is sad. It's nonsense. This is pathetic. It's desperately pathetic. I'm bummed. Yeah. No shit. I'm bummed.

No shit. You know why? Because they are fucking richest shit. That's true. It's such a bummer their scams have been so successful. Oh. Because if you hear this. He's fucking idiots.

If you heard this, like some YouTube channel that has like 10 viewers. You win some, you lose some, whatever. Oh, Dan, we're going to be all right. So about three hours into the show. Three hours of alien baiting into the show. Alex admits that Rogan is not coming on the show. Right. And that it's satire.

I'm going to host some of the next hour when I will interview Joe Rogan. Satire included. I'll look for that the next hour. Let's go ahead. And she'll be like, and then he said I was coming on, but I wasn't. It wasn't true. It's called satire, buddy. By the way, brought to you by Jack Dorsey's.

That's not satire. Sorry. That's lying. That's just lying. That's not satire. That's part of the song right here. Crank it up. Cemetery Gates.

We'll go by those. Anyway, Alex is going to do this a bit about Rogan and it's satire. We now know it's satire. It's not really not. No, I really don't think he understands what satire is. Satire requires a point. It requires a, there are certain threats, thresholds. You need to meet a concept.

Just doing something that's not real isn't satire. Right. That's called lying. Sure. Right. And I should say like that clip, that clip we heard right there. So about hour three of the show, he had been saying that Rogan is going to come on. Yeah.

For a bit of the show teasing and sort of implying that he's not, but also saying Rogan is going to be on. Yeah. That's just a lie. But that's what you do. That's or a hoax. I would even accept hoax. If he said like we're going to do a bit about Rogan.

Or something like that at the end of the show. Yeah. That's not teasing something inappropriately. He's hoping that some people think that Rogan is actually going to be on in order to boost his ratings. Cause he knows that Rogan is a bigger draw. Right. In his own show.

Right. Cause he's a liar. Right. And so he can get more eyes, more ears on the show, hopefully to listen to the ads and tell the payoff comes that he's not going to be there. And by that point, they've heard him yell about aliens, which is think something that maybe Rogan, maybe, you know, he doesn't do that sort of shit. Often that project came a lot bullshit.

We just heard. That's true. Maybe he entices some of Rogan's listeners with that space talk. Maybe, maybe he teases them with that carrot that he doesn't usually dangle out. Right. Cause he knows it's fucking bullshit. It's actually Neil deGrasse Tyson. We have on.

What if that would be. That would be a brutal, brutal exchange. So anyway, there's a lot of satire going on, but one thing that's not satire is that Alex, any of what's going on? Well, certainly, but that Alex is claiming that last night when this episode is happening that Joe called him. Joe, this is not satire. Joe did call me last night a couple of times.

I had the phone off and got the messages in the morning. And I don't think there's anything for me to talk about. You know, Joe's like, I apologize to you yesterday. If I hurt your feelings or didn't have you on, but you're in a bad place and you're mentally ill. I don't. Boy, that sounds right. That seems like the last message from someone who's trying.

Yep. That really just, it just feels like that's a friendship breakup right there. Like, Hey man, I care about you and I love you and I know we're not seems like way more than Alex deserves. We're not considering the circumstances. Yeah. Yeah. Like when this, like when that message was sent out, it was after Alex was on air talking

about I'm going to politically put him up by his heels and slit his throat like a pig. Yeah. Yeah. The idea of like, I apologized for the times that I made fun of you if that hurt you. Yeah. He's like, I make fun of it because he's funny. You know, personally, he's a performer. We're both in business, the show business.

Right. Right. Right. Like that sort of thing. He, he did try and make that clear and like to hear these human elements of it. And Alex responding like with just stone walled, like, fuck you. Yeah. This is turned into an episode of intervention.

It's brutal. This is really brutal. Yeah. It sucks. It sucks. Hey, Alex, wait a tear your life apart around your eyes. Good for you. And that's the other thing is like, this is one of the only people who would have gone

to bat for you. Oh, for sure. It has been for a fucking long time. Now, whatever reason you have to do this, Alex, whether it's your desperation for ratings, whether it's Owen Benjamin's bad advice or your own mental illness, or your desire to lash out at Jack because he was on Rogan's podcast, whatever the case is, this is the worst thing you could possibly do. Like this guy cared about you for no reason.

You didn't deserve that. You didn't keep up that relationship over the years clearly and he went to bat for you consistently. Now he was dumb to do that. But he did. He did. He was wrong a lot of the time, but also he was right some of the time. He called him out about his Bourdain nonsense when he learned about the Sandy Hook lie that

Alex was telling. He pointed that out, but he still, even when he criticized, he cared. He cared about Alex because he'd known him for years and thought he knew the heart of the man. And it turns out Rogan didn't know the heart of the man. No clue. In this next clip, Alex is pissed off because Joe Rogan isn't even on his goddamn level. You understand?

No, Sammy. I really don't. Joe Rogan is so far above his level right now, it's insane, bro, bro. Back when Alex was like doing documentaries, they had millions of views. Everyone loved him. At that point he was doing fear factor, making people eat balls and stuff like that. That is pretty funny though. Yeah.

And Alex is going to try and like sort of mix those two ideas up. I produce loose change that before they took the view counter down had 187 million views on Google video. We got to stop that for a second. He produced a loose change final cut. There were multiple versions of loose change before Alex even got involved. Really? Yeah.

I did not know that. I didn't either until like months and months ago. I, I, I always thought because Alex presented is like, I was behind that. I produced it. Oh, Dylan Avery and Jason Burmes was involved through, throughout a lot of it. Alex only got involved at final cut, which was like the fifth version of it. I did not know that. Yeah.

So he's, he got, who's a late adopter of loose change, even as an embarrassing documentary about 9 11. Wow. Yeah. So Alex bad. Yeah. Not great. I did it in 87 million views, Joe.

Back when you were eating donkey testicles on fear factor. And I made all these other films, hundreds of millions of views, billions and billions of views. There were, I don't know. Oh, please have me on. Please. Joe. I, he's like, Joe's like, we may have you on if you're good and sit down and you're

good. Oh, let me sit then. Do I get a treat? Dude, you weren't on my radar. When you pulled all this, you went tracking radar, enemy assessed, targeting operations, enemy propaganda vehicle, destroy the extreme prejudice, like you just literally just got the program. Like it's like destroy headquarters, destroy enemy, key enemy, maximum commitment, prime

target attack because you see, it's not just that you're on a higher echelon evil. You're almost there, but you are a good pickets. You're cleared to fire, Joe. What that means is you're dead in my sights, son. So this isn't about men acting tough to man and me, me scaring you and those of us. You need to know as a sneaky snake, sneaky snake, sneaky snake. What I'm going to do. I joked around earlier, I said, Joe Rogan is going to be on the show today.

You lied. You didn't joke. And then I said it was satire. He'll spin and say, Alex said I'd be on. I wasn't a lie, but you won't show the clip. It was a lie because that's what sneaky snakes do. So if you're a TV viewer, ladies and gentlemen, Joe Rogan is now in studio with us. So it's all like this dumb, like that's sad.

I'm sad. No, no. That is sad. No, no, totally. Weird and sad. Totally. That is weird and sad. On some level, I think I'm really insisting we do this episode because on some level,

this is the acro cats of Alex. It kind of feels the same way. I didn't know I could be this disappointed. Exactly. But I was listening to this. I was like, fuck, God damn it. We're in bad hands. This is not good.

This is not good. Jordan, I don't know how to tell you this. There there is a payoff to this episode. Like we've we can cut through the bullshit. There is no Rogan coming or anything like that. But Alex does interview fake Joe Rogan. Right. And this is what I'm talking about.

Is it him? This payoff is as bad as the Astro cats claiming that they have a cat band. Uh-huh. Because like this is two days of preparation that Alex has his disposal. He decided on the fifth that fucking Rogan is dead. I am going to destroy him. He hasn't brought up any real substantial information or documents or proof of any of the claims that he's making about it.

Right. Second day on the sixth, he's like, Rogan is going to be on at the top of the next hour, next hour comes. He's going to be on later. He keeps pushing it back and we get now to the beginning of the fourth hour. So it's the fourth hour. He's still on. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Shit's gone wild. He's pushing back the host on the fourth hour to get in what he needs to get in. And I thought, I thought for sure it was going to be a fucking recorded piece. I thought for sure he had sat down between the fifth and sixth and recorded some sort of dumb thing where it's like, hi, I'm Alex Jones.

Hey, Joe, are you cool? No, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, take audio of Joe and splice it in. It would take you and your interns 20 minutes. We wouldn't take any effort at all. I've done it with Alex in the past. Yeah, it would take nothing. This is what he did and it sucks.

So if you're a TV viewer, ladies and gentlemen, Joe Rogan is now in studio with us. He's not. And let's do a documentary. I'm shot closer here. He's going to be interviewed. So it's like, uh, really not. Hey, George Soros was on 60 minutes and said he supported the Nazis. No, he didn't.

George Soros cut his head off. I'm a sneaky snake. I mean, this is, this is what it is. Drunk. If you pay Joe enough money, I hope your cash square and Jack Dorsey, which is all confirmed, it's all of the news now. The insider trading investigations going on. If you pay him, like, you know, if you like, like, like, like, like,

you put coins into the snake, then the snake does whatever you want. Oh, thanks, Alex. If you put coins into the snake, I'm a sneaky snake now. So again, if you're a TV viewer, this is a not really Joe Rogan. This is a young. So it'll be the headline tonight, like Alex Jones claimed Joe Rogan was on. There won't be. It really wasn't on Jones engaged in incredible fake news.

It's not that it's fake news. It's just, this is sad. I kind of want to say it's a sad publicity stunt that leads to a embarrassing bit. New donor level. Sneaky snake. I kind of actually really like that. That's a drop of him being like, I'm a sneaky snake. That is a children's book level.

It's also like the definition of an uninspired Rogan impression. That doesn't sound anything like a sneaky snake. I know that I listened to time. You got trot, trostle sounding like a hippie weirdo. Right. Rogan sounding like he needs a glass of water. It's always sounds like a guy who's just in a desert. I have never listened to Joe Rogan's podcast.

I find a number of episodes fun. Most of them. I, you know, I think if you, if you listen to someone with Duncan trostle, you'd enjoy those. Okay. And then there are, there are a ton of everybody enjoys Duncan trostle talking. There's a ton of episodes that you would enjoy. That's the problem with.

No, I believe it. There's a ton of episodes where, because when Rogan's in good company, he's not a shithead. Yeah. When he's talking to shitheads, he falls for what shitheads say. Right. People with ill will are able to trick him into thinking that what they're saying means something.

Right. Because he doesn't have an editorial process to his podcast. He assumes that everybody has good will when they're talking to him. And when he has liars in to talk to him, it's unchallenged, unquestioned things. Like it's just a problem. But when I assume, I assume there's a certain lack of guile to him as well, where if he's talking to you and you're saying things, he wants to believe that you know what you're talking about.

Yeah. And maybe it's too much trust. I mean, if you're, if you're really good friends with Alex for a long time, you have a certain lack of guile to you. That's the only, or, or a lot of guile. Or you've overblown what your friendship actually was. Yeah. Like, cause there's, I mean, what do you think their friendship actually was?

Like Rogan's lived in LA for years. Alex has lived in Austin for years. How many times do they fuck? You fucking think they actually talked every time that Rogan comes through Austin to tour, right? Which is once a year at best at best. Yeah. Alex never leaves Austin, except for the times he does publicity stunts in DC

or very specific publicity stunts in Seattle, right. Right. That sort of thing. So he's never coming to LA to meet up with Rogan, have dinner. They're not good friends. Yeah. They have a friendship that's based on the time that they've been friends. They've been friends for 20 years.

So they've been friends for 20 years. It's not like they've actually been good, good friends for those 20 years. Right. That's not to say any, like any of this isn't sincere. And like, I don't, I can't possibly pretend to understand what the two of them actually have done or, right, know each other behind the scenes. But it, it, it strikes me as like. Rogan's being an adult about this and Alex isn't.

And, uh, yep, they, they had an expectation of like what the relationship was. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right. Alex is being a sneaky snake because he needs ratings and he knows the joke and help him. Now you should know one thing and that is that Alex Jones is a man who cannot be bought.

You think I want to be part of your system when I want to burn you down. Triple S and your bosses have figured that out. Like Alex Jones is not for sale. Just, it's, it's, it's already sold out. I signed on to the big, right? Oh my God. Oh, is that God? I'm signed on to that.

I'm just lucky. I mean, I'm, I brushed up because people like you so much. I can't believe I'm dirty rags. I can't believe God, even an exception. We have specials on gold right now. Let me just tell you that. And I'm counting on it every moment that God says you attack these people and you take it to them all the way.

Maybe I let you be with us. I'm like, yes, sir, please take full control of me. And God goes, I don't do that. You're going to have to do this. I'm just like, okay. So you're all trying to take DMT and get in contact with little floating retard demons from the pit of hell. And I just want you to know, Joe, that there's a whole nother dimension

and then on from that, and you're just not making the cut, Joe. I mean, do you really think at higher dimensions, you see Joe Rogan walking around? Sure. You know, maybe he's got platform shoes that go up to the next dimension, like elevators. Okay. I mean, when you're walking around heaven on a big command base and you're like, Oh my God, I wish I know this.

Like, yeah, get in the field. We're going to attack coming in. Wait, what? Imagine when you get to the next level and you're like, oh my God, I'd know what it was. Oh yeah. Wait, what? Huh?

What? Wait, what? So apparently heaven has a command base. Apparently it's a spaceship where there's battles going on. That doesn't seem like heaven to me. That seems like terrifying. Oh, I really think he thinks higher dimensions means like up. It does seem that way.

It seems like he seems like it's all vertical. He thinks it seems like he's got a very two dimensional view of higher dimensions, if you will. Yeah. Do you think you see Joe Rogan in the higher dimension? If he's wearing platform shoes, is that good? Is that bad? I also think where do you buy these shoes that allow you to get to the next

dimension from the sneaky snakes door? Yeah. It seems like a real upgrade. It seems like something you buy in a video game. It's your boost. Yeah. It's crazy. He's got the jumping boots from Super Mario.

Yeah, it's like, uh, I can't be bought, man. I've already been bought by God. That sort of shit. Like it's got into MLMs. Like it's God, it's God into scams. I think so. I think his God is because his God apparently lives on a fucking spaceship or whatever.

That is so crazy to me. This is creepy. Yeah. Anyway, we have one more clip. And when you were talking about, in the middle of that clip, you were like, this is all that, give me your money. Yeah. That's what I think.

This is where it really comes down to, uh, Alex is probably feeling that he's going to go out of business. And on the end of the sixth, we get sort of the prestige. We get the reveal of like why he keeps talking shit on, uh, on Rogan, because he needs these people to come in and keep watering the coffers and what have you. Because this next clip is the reality that he lives in. This is the reality. And I can tell you right now that, um, we didn't expand the shows last year

like I intended. We didn't launch all the new stuff. And I'll just tell Roger in front of God and country. I already told Paul this two days ago, Paul and Roger Stone are on the shopping block. There's a money's not there. Money's not coming in to, to, to pay some of our employees. And I, you know, I thought about this a lot.

It'll give the enemy a lot of excitement and like, oh, we're, yeah, no crap. You're getting to us. My God, you're, I took most of our bank accounts away. We can't advertise online. All we've got is the listeners. You'll say, well, we don't want to bet on a loser. Well, then you just bet on yourself being a loser because info wars is a standard in the fight.

It's seen as a symbol, a signal, a logo, a, a, a, a, a, a art type. He needs Lionel's. So it must be brought down. And the soul, you know, a six shot of me has been in the fight 24 years on here. And the six side of me is just like the responsibility of like, I get up earlier in the morning, easier than I ever did. And your kid, you can't get out of bed now.

It's like, I just get up because there's a mission. I'll be laying in bed with God. This bed feels incredible. I got to fight him. And, and so all I'm telling listeners is in me, you've got a AI attack robot made a flesh and blood that is completely committed to fighting the globalist. But I need fuel and the spectrum of media and systems. If you don't put fuel in the jet tank, I can't drop bonds on George Soros.

Land that money bomb. I mean, I'll be stuck on the tarmac fantasizing about dropping bombs till the day I die, but I want to drop weapons, information weapons, not violent weapons. I, I, I want to engage, engage and engage and engage until the cows come home. But I need, we already have great products. You need, we already have brain force already have turbo force through product. Woof, 50% off.

Yeah. I mean, that's what it comes down to. Oh, this is like, this is pageantry, but it is gross because it's so effective. And it is, it's a good strategy. Like what he's doing is a really good strategy of like trying to attack Rogan and make it look like, Hey, we're going to have a war with each other. The only thing that's going to subvert that possibility is I hope Rogan doesn't respond.

I hope that he responds to it the way you were saying that he hears that and like, that's crazy. That's clearly an attempt to, it just says, no, this one's too obvious, buddy. Too much. And that everyone sort of dies down on it. Like in terms of, I've seen so many goddamn posts on Twitter and Facebook and people messaging me about it and stuff like that. But like, I want to tell them all like, cool it, cool it.

I wish, I wish there was a better way to say this than like, get your instincts in order, like get your instincts in order. Cause you need to understand how these people who have ill will operate. This is a classic troll operation done large scale. And it's what is so appealing about it is how interesting that is. It's so interesting. The idea that Alex Joseph is declaring war on Joe Rogan. The idea is Alex's listeners are, have been aware or have been made aware

of, uh, Joe's bullshit. They listen to Alex's show. They hear him go, Oh shit, I'm going to start a war. So then they listen to the next episode of Rogan's podcast and they're like, how is Joe going to respond to this? And then because the listeners of Joe Rogan's podcast are like, wait, this is two episodes of him bitch talking to the, and so then they go and listen to the Alex's show.

That's the whole fucking goal here. And Alex is willing to destroy what is probably a meaningless friendship. Anyways, well, to one side, at least, yeah, it seems like it's meaningful to Joe in some level, but it means nothing to Alex. It means nothing to him. He already said, like in the first episode on the fifth, I don't like you. Yep. It's a, I feel guilty that I ever liked you.

Yeah. That sort of thing is like, wow. So he's just going to try and keep needling Joe until Joe responds. Yeah. That's the main goal here. So the presentation of this, the idea of like creating this war, you're right. It's the idea that people will go bounce back and forth. Like, see the response, see the response.

But what the, the benefit of it is the bounce back that comes to what Alex's response is going to be. So he knows that people will probably go listen to Rogan's show. And so he doesn't care about like driving traffic to them. Right. If the two of them are in a hot feud, it doesn't matter if they both get over using wrestling terms. You're like, they both get over in the process.

I'm still fucking over. I might've lost the feud or whatever, but I still get over right in the process. It's pathetic, but I, I just pray, I pray, I don't pray. I don't give a shit. You don't pray. Uh, but I, I would hope that Rogan are no better than to engage much further. I will say this and I'm to pray.

It's time to pray. Look, if they take down Netanyahu, that's the canary in the cold mind. It's time to pray. It's time to pray. I want to say at the end of this, I don't really know, uh, how much value this holds. I don't know if this was a great episode, but it was the episode I needed to do. Uh, coming back from a vacation, uh, like really getting back into the, like

jumping back into Alex stuff. Mm-hmm. Uh, I thought that this was more important to talk about than the state of the union stuff, because a lot of that is just what you, exactly what you'd expect. Yeah. And so this is, I have to drive this message home very strongly. Don't fall for tricks. This is tricks.

This is all tricks. This is nonsense. You want to say it's trolling, but it's really not. It's satire exactly. And you know what satire starts the next, which I still don't understand what that really don't, I really want to, I want to find out the etymology of that bullshit, but I would love it. It's probably from another fucking novel.

Yeah. Yeah. Sure. It's actually from Moby Dick. No, it's, I, I think it's from, uh, call me Ishmael with an eye. It's from, uh, some Dickens shit. Who knows? It's from some dick and shit.

The official editorial position of knowledge might, it's probably from some dick and shit. That's how you know I'm done with a riff. It's from some dick and shit dork. Yeah. Um, so anyway, I don't know. My, my, my whole position on this is stop talking about this. Yep.

That's, that's what I would say. We'll be back next week. You know what you shouldn't stop talking about. We have some very strong, uh, episodes coming up next week that we've had in the works, uh, and don't have the burden of my vacation, haunting them. Yeah. And I appreciate everyone enjoying this. I'm sure, and listening to this episode, uh, but we'll be back next week with, uh,

back to, back to regular, back to regular knowledge fight, uh, uh, uh, uh, full strength, uh, and, and, uh, I don't know. I keep, I keep wanting to spoil things. I know you can't do any of it. Um, but we have a website. We do have a website, which I'll spoil this. There's a lot of information on there. If you go to the things to enjoy section of the website, yeah, the little

drop down menu, we have a wiki in there. Oh shit. A bunch of information about Alex Jones and his friends. I'm so proud of you because you've never plugged the wiki before. I've recently learned it might be valuable. As a concept and idea. Uh, we do have a website. There is a fantastic wiki put together by Dan after working for a ridiculous

length of time. Uh, and, uh, you can also go to, we also have many other websites. Apparently, uh, you can go to fill your hand.com, uh, Jones show dot us. Oh yeah. I think there's a third one. Uh, there's an info wars with it. Like an, it's N four, N four wars with a Z maybe. No, you think it's N F O wars.com.

I think that's what it is. I think it's another one. I saw that it was awesome. I appreciate everyone. Everyone's doing that. It's incredible. Like you're amazing. We also have a Twitter page.

That's true. Did they give you a gender score fight? It's an at knowledge on Facebook. We are on Facebook. There's a Facebook group called go home again. Which is awesome. Uh, and I was gone for a long time and, uh, you know, not a long time, but a couple of days and, uh, I didn't check in on the site and check in on the Facebook at all.

And then I came back and everything was fine. I won't behave themselves for the most part, which was nice. It's weird for an internet community. You know, like a lot of people with shitheads and they end up destroying everything. Yeah. No, if you're, if you joined our group, uh, make sure that you only take tell good people because so far we're fucking killing it with good people. And one shithead and we're going to start going ham.

Yeah. Yeah. We're also on itunes and, uh, please leave a review. You can do all that stuff, but I'll tell you what you need to remember. What do you need to remember? I'll tell you that one. Jordan, do you have something to remember? I will tell you this.

Uh, and you know what? I don't know. Oh, you son of a bitch. How dare you? Okay. Fine. This isn't about, this isn't about the ending. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

This isn't about the ending. All right. I just want to say the, I want, we've already finished the show. So I just want to talk about this. Did you hear about, uh, Bezos having a dick pic out there? Oh, yeah. Of course. What do you think about that?

Uh, good for him. Yeah. Now what are you going to say? I'll tell you one dick that has technically probably never killed a guy. Okay. And that's Jeff Bezos' dick. I bet he hasn't murdered anybody. I bet his dick hasn't.

Also, I bet he, well, his policies have led to, and his business is probably a hundred percent led to, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, by his hands or dick, no, no, no, I'm speaking specifically just the dick. One dick has not killed a guy. Don't do this. I will tell you one dick who has killed a guy. It wasn't Alex's dick, but the, oh, so you're not understanding how a double entendre works.

I understand. I do understand. So in one case, I'm speaking, I'm speaking specifically of the dick. All right. But in the other case, I'm speaking of the, uh, uh, let's call it synecdoche of the dick representing the man. And that dick, representing the man, has probably technically killed a guy. And that's Alex Jones.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.