Knowledge Fight - #264: February 11-13, 2019

Episode Date: February 15, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan talk about what Alex Jones is doing in the present day. In a move that is not surprising, Alex expresses deeply bigoted positions. In a move that surprises a few, Dan reveals that he is real into Depeche Mode.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Does it feel good to be back in the right side of the chair?

It does, but I am glad that we got some very nice feedback from people. People seem to enjoy you taking over and doing an episode, and that should assuage all of your fears about it, not going well and people not liking it. Not at all. Which you complained about a lot. It was great. Yeah, I'm glad to have a strong positive response. And it gave me a whole new appreciation. Look, I respect the hell out of what you did. Oh, and vice versa.

Yeah. I think you did a better job of being me than I did of being you. That's for sure. I did not yell at all, not in my style, but just dropped Will Smith lyrics in, and probably I'm realizing this now, probably a completely inaccurate version of what Bruce Springsteen's 10th Avenue Freeze Out was about. As I was editing up the episode and about to release it, I realized that story that I told about it being about a snowstorm in New York. Is that not true? I don't think it is.

Why did you think of that? Because my buddy Sal back in Missouri, we were drinking one night and he told me about how he was in the snowstorm that that song is based on, and I just believed him. Everybody has a buddy, Sal. You don't believe a goddamn word. Now he's a good man. I had no reason not to believe him. He licks his fingers all the time like a bookie. Everybody has a friend named Sal. Wrong type of Sal. Okay. He was a union pipe fitter from New Jersey. Good guy. Ran the bar I worked at in Missouri.

Okay. I was going to say, why are you hanging out with an old union pipe fitter when you're like 19 years old? Ran a great gutter punk bar called Eastside Tavern in Columbia, Missouri. Still open. Yeah, but I realized that he told me that story and it's probably not accurate. But anyway, Tenth Avenue Free is a good song. Great sax solo. It's a great sax solo.

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Don't do it. Don't donate to those other shows. I don't know if I want to add money. I don't know if I want to come down with that mentality, but whatever. This is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. Right. So today, Jordan, we're going to be doing a present day episode.

We're going to be going over February 11th to 13th, which is Monday through Wednesday of this week. Right. Which is ultimately unsatisfying because here, as we were recording this on Thursday, all Twitter is abuzz with Trump is going to declare a state of emergency and all that. I'm sure Alex is too messent at the news. So we'll cover all that stuff probably on Monday's episode. But for now, based on the material we have, as much as I'd love to talk about that, because I have thoughts, we got to cover the beginning of the week that was.

And this week was fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. This week was crazy on Alex Jones' show and in the real world. Today, like I said, we're going over the beginning of the week and we're going to begin on February 11th. On this episode, Alex starts off the show celebrating some good news for Trump. Yes. I know that I made the sort of observation and prediction that Alex is moving away from Trump.

And I do still believe that's the case. But I think it's a slow process and he's still going to validate a lot of Trump's stuff in order to make it look like the worldview that Alex presents is more popular than it is. Yeah. So the victory that he's going to talk about is that Trump is at 52% approval ratings in the polls. For white people. We'll get to that in a second. Okay. I'm sorry.

But it's celebrating a victory for Trump. But it's still in line with him moving away from him because it's really more about the idea that my nationalism, my populism is super popular and we can see that by Trump's numbers. Right. So I'm driving force behind Trump's numbers going up. So we're going to see some positive talk about Trump. But I don't think it invalidates the trend that I'm sort of seeing. Now, unfortunately, I think that if Trump does declare a national emergency,

that will get Alex to come right back around, at least for another cycle. So I think that'll disrupt whatever process I was seeing happening. Right. But I don't think it's going to be enough for the long run. It's like a divorce. It doesn't happen on the day you sign the paperwork. A divorce happens for like a year or two while you're, you know, and there are some ups and downs along the way.

Alex knows that well. Yeah, exactly. So we're going to start here and Alex is talking about the nature of polls and polling. And we've always heard him talk about the oversampling of Democrats and stuff like that. And I've always just thought it was kind of like a goofy, dumb misunderstanding of how polling and statistics work. But the way he describes it in this next clip makes me realize it is a much bigger problem. He does not understand anything.

The truth is explosive. The truth is powerful. The truth is unstoppable when people are willing to stand up and carry it forward. Now, you know that Gallup and Rasmussen and other polls believe the Democratic Party is the dominant party in the U.S. And so for more than 30 years, they have always sampled more Democrats than they have Republicans. Why average about 15% more.

So why would they do that? I mean, what do you, I mean, they don't, but why are you like, what's your confusion? Jumping off of his confusions. I mean, it's just like, why would you even think they would do that? That under that belies evil and they want to serve the powerful Democrats who are the real power that's going on or whatever. Because he's now decided that Democrat equals globalist. So, but Rasmussen has had like a plus six conservative bent for however long.

Rasmussen has a pretty heavy like center right leaning in terms of their polling. Look, it's just Alex is stupid. So now that he's literally saying that he thinks that pollsters think that Democrats are the dominant party and thus they cheat polls in their favor, we now have the information that we need to address this because before I was willing to like push this aside and just be like, Alex is dumb, but that is beyond the pale. Yeah, that's incredibly dumb. Makes me think that we may need to explain things a little bit.

So when anyone is trying to conduct a poll, the result is useless unless it represents a representative sample of the population it's seeking to poll. And often achieving a representative sampling is incredibly difficult. Just because the researchers want a random sampling to take their poll, it's not good enough that they just randomly call a thousand people and see what happens. The characteristics of the people they poll needs to match the demographic information of the geographic area that's being pulled. And because of the near impossibility of the respondents to your poll,

perfectly matching the area's demographics, the results often need to be weighted. Easy example, older people are more likely to answer their phones and complete a survey or poll. So almost every poll's rod results will inevitably reflect the answers of more old people than young people. I'm not busy. Ask me questions. Sure. So in order to correct for this, the researchers will need to give more weight to the answers

of people in the groups that are underrepresented in the set of answers so that they match the demographic information of the area, generally taking that information from the most recent census. This probably sounds overly simplified, but like realistically, the older you are, particularly if you're white, the more likely it is that you identify as a Republican. And older people are overrepresented in the raw responded data of most polls. The amount to which this needs to be fixed by weighting inevitably depends on the demographic

information that the poll takers bring in with their random sampling. So you'll see in write-ups of polls exactly the extent to which they weighted the numbers. Credible polling organizations conduct reviews on the raw data, the process data, and everything in between that led from the raw to the processed. It's just how professional statistics work. Alex is just, he doesn't understand that very, very basic thing that he would understand if he didn't drop out of junior college and actually took a statistics course.

Yeah, or at least like send an email to Nate Silver. Or give it a shot. Or was curious. Curious would be really important there. I would, I would appreciate some curiosity from him. Now the interesting thing, and I don't really know exactly how much this is going to play out. And again, this would also be predicting the future, which would be tough, because there's a possibility that even as the generations that are heavily Democrat,

now, or left-leaning get older, there's a chance that as in past generations, you'll see them skew more towards the right as well. That's possible. But if that doesn't happen, if you look at generational differences, Republicans and like right-leaning ideas are taken a bath in younger generations. Oh yeah. Harshly towards the left. Because like we saw you guys.

Especially among people of color and women. Like the numbers are crazy bad for conservatives in the future. So as those people start to get older, or if polling places find a way to incorporate using cell phones or something like that, there's a really decent chance that you'll see Democrats be more, I think groups that are Democrat being more respondent to polls. And then you'll see conservative waiting being done. And you shouldn't be suspicious about that. That's just how this works.

Right. I mean, I suppose if I was going to go hard on trying to make Alex's argument better for him, I would say that. Conspiracy poncho. That some polling can absolutely have an influence on people's behavior. If you see a poll like, for instance, for so many people during the Trump-Hillary campaign, you saw those polls, and there was a lot less urgency there for people who were saying, well, it looks like Hillary's going to win by 10 points anyway.

So I'm not really going to be as engaged in this as I would otherwise. But if your polling is too inaccurate, people are just going to write it off immediately. So that's why you see those polls, even for like Rasmussen, which has a right bent to it, you still see them within this certain margin of error that everybody deems acceptable. So if you want to say that polls can influence outcome, that is an argument that can be made. If you want to say that they over-represent Democrats by 15% every single time, you just don't understand how polls work. Not in the least.

So now we get to the 52, the new 52. The new 52, the B-52s? Yep. The C-52. Fred Schneider was polled and he said, go Trump. He did not. He would not be in favor of Trump. Not at all.

But so we get to this. That's a good Fred Schneider. Thank you. We get to this, this Trump is at 52% number and Alex says some really dumb, dumb shit. But despite all the propaganda in Gallup, Trump is at 52. And in Rasmussen, Trump is at 52. Think about that. That's over-sampling on average 15 points more for Democrats.

That means they call 15% more Democrats or contact 15% more Democrats for their poll. And he's at 52%. That tells you he's really at like 65, 67, conservatively. Conservatively. That's a crazy way to look at this. Like that doesn't reflect any sort of reality. Now, first of all, I have no idea where Alex is getting that Gallup data from, because it doesn't appear to exist.

In their data from January 21st, or I'm sorry, 17th to 21st, 2019, Gallup showed a 37% approval rating for the way Trump is handling his job with the president, which is down from a high of 45% for the week right after inauguration. But also how he's handling his job isn't the exact same thing as an approval rating. So even that would be sort of dicey for Alex to run off of. But also interestingly, if you look at it by party, Trump has an 88% approval rating among Republicans and a 5% approval rating among Democrats. I wonder why?

These numbers actually are part of setting a new record for the most polarized approval ratings that Gallup has ever recorded since they began in 1945. Trump set other Gallup records, with his first year in office being the lowest approval ratings of any first year president ever, beating out the previous record by 10.9%. And his first two year numbers were the worst since World War II. So not necessarily a record, but a pretty good high water mark. He's really given Andrew Johnson a run for his money on the worst ever. Yeah, Andrew Johnson is one of the only people who at certain points in his presidency,

like really were, he was swinging for Trump. Universally hated. Yeah, and an article that was posted on February 13th, Gallup reflects a 44% approval rating for Trump. But that doesn't match Alex's 52% number and that data is from two days after he recorded this episode. So what I'm saying is I think that Alex is making that Gallup shit up entirely. Yeah, Rasmussen did have a Trump polling at 52% approval rating on February 11th. That is true.

That number dropped to 50% on the 12th and is held there until as we're recording this episode today. But it was also at 43% on February 1st. Most people consider this increase to be the result of the state of the union giving his numbers a jump, which is a pretty common phenomenon in presidencies. For instance, in 2011, Obama was at 46% approval on January 17th, which jumped to 52% by the 25th when he delivered that year's state of the union speech. Some important things to consider about this poll though, Jordan. What?

Rasmussen releases daily presidential approval rating statistics. And if you review those, Those are reliable. Somewhat. Yeah, I mean, they do use the, you know, an appropriate process. I mean, they're, yeah, they're reliable, but meaningless. Let me deconstruct a little bit of why they might be meaningless. Okay, thank you.

If you consult their methodology, you'll find that they randomly call house phones from five to nine PM on weeknights. That pretty much excludes anyone who doesn't have a landline, who works at night or who likes to party on weeknights. Their process is also an automatic robotic call. So for someone to take their poll, they'd have to receive this call on a landline, hear the recorded prompt and decide not to hang up.

It's amazing to me that they managed to find a sample of 500 respondents every day. 500 people? Every day. And it's not the same people. That's what your mind goes to. It has to be. That's what your mind goes to. Do you want to role play that call?

Okay, I don't have a landline. I don't want to be the robot. I don't have a landline. No. I don't have anything. Let's try it. Hello. Hi.

Click. Hmm. Yeah, that's a good one for me. So this poll is heavily weighted, but I'm not saying that in any way to disparage it. I'm just saying that to illustrate that even this poll that Alex is touting is great is produced exactly the same way that Rasmussen polls

have been, all of these have been produced, like the one on August 2nd, 2017, that showed Trump with a 38% approval rating. Right. All of it's the same. So now 538 does a similar thing to Rasmussen in terms of their polling on a daily basis, but what they do is they combine a bunch of different polls

and then weight them according to the similar process that's done on these individual polls. I was going to say, they do a meta-poll. They're more of a meta-polling agency, not like we're going to call random asphalt. Yes. So they take the data from other polls, go over how their methodology worked,

and then use that to weight each poll in terms of making a composite poll, and then put out the president's approval ratings on a daily basis. If you look at the polling data currently available, Trump has a negative 14.8 net approval rating, which is the worst any president since Harry Truman is seen at this point in their presidency,

with the exception of Reagan, who had a negative 20.2. Most people view that as a result of the economy being in the toilet back then, and all the goodwill he had after John Hinckley Jr. tried to assassinate him, having worn off. I was going to say, he had a really good run after somebody tried to kill him, and I think he would have been...

Yeah, his numbers went way up. If he would have been killed, he would be remembered amazingly well. That would have been awesome. He still is. It's unfortunate that... He still is in many circles. It's unfortunate that he wasn't killed.

Yeah. So with the 52% approval rating in Rasmussen, reflecting one day, that's a good... And Trump should be happy about that. Alex should be happy about that. There's nothing... He should probably be more worried though about how historically bad the wider picture

of his numbers are. Trump hasn't seen net positive favorability numbers since February 1st, 2017, when he was at a 0.01 plus. I was going to say, he should never... Plus 0.01. It was barely... Never should he have had a positive rating. Andy had been in office for 12 days.

I guess the point is this. I trust polling agencies with rigorous standards in place, even when they release data that doesn't reflect what I perceive to be real. It's entirely possible that, even after adjusting for demographic waiting, the Rasmussen poll showed a 52% approval rating. Ultimately, I also think it's possibly an outlier

in the data of all the data sets that are out there, and also could be explained by some obvious real-world events, the State of the Union, the ending of the government shutdown, etc. There's a number of variables. But I also understand why Alex is doing what he's doing. When the bigger picture of everything is so shitty, you have to make the most of what you have.

And for now, all they have is this 52% approval rating, so you've got to run with it, because it makes it look like a majority of Americans love what Info Wars is doing by virtue of their support for Trump. Wow. Yep. That's dumb. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

I really don't like that. Nah. It's not good. It's pathetic. It's... I'm just so sad. I'm just so sad for the right wing. Like, as their candle flickers violently,

destroying everyone around us, trying desperately to cling to power, they're just really sad about it. They're pathetic. Like, our argument against the Green New Deal is people are going to steal ice cream. Like, who the fuck are you? Go to bed, Christ.

Come on, Mark Dice. Get out of here. Yeah. What are you talking about? It's pretty weak. Yeah, it's not good. But it's going to get so much worse, man. Oh, no.

So, if you'll recall at the beginning of this week, Representative Ilhan Omar had gotten in a bit of hot water. Oh, boy. I forgot that we were going to have to talk about Alex's take on that. And I really... I'd like the bad faith Republican bullshit was horrendous. It was pretty bad. I can't imagine how bad this is going to be.

So, we're going to talk about some of that, my feelings about the right wing backlash and stuff like that. And also, some of my feelings about what she probably did a little bit wrong in terms of presentation. I don't think that she did anything wrong, big picture. I don't think she was acting out of antisemitism or anything like that. Of course not. I think there is a conversation to be had about that,

not being the smoothest way to make a point or whatever. And we'll talk about that here in a second. But it is important to point out that those people in Congress or these commentators, for the most part, were acting out of some sort of a craven element. I would characterize it, not even... I think that a lot of people would want to say like, what they were doing is they were defending A-PAC. And so, they behaved in ways that were disgraceful

and defamatory towards representative Omar. Yeah. That is what a lot of people would want to say. And I don't think that's necessarily the case. I think that a lot of people recognize that she represents an incredible threat to the fiction that is generally accepted of a benign U.S. foreign policy. Yeah. And I believe that people are really looking for any opportunity to take her down

because of the holes that she can puncture as evidence by... I was going to say, what she did to Abrams is like, oh, that's why they're so afraid. In a hearing, yeah. A day after all this scandal about her tweet and all that, she was questioning Elliot Abrams about his involvement in El Salvador with the El Mazote massacre. And that's something that's incredibly relevant,

seeing as he's being put in as a special representative for Venezuela. A country that is definitely not ripe for being taken over in the exact same way that El Salvador was. Right. It's super important that when we have people who were directly involved in similar things that led to the genocides. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to...

Those are things that are important to come up. And most people don't do it for whatever reason, whether it's a financial motivation. Cowardice. Whether it's cowardice or just don't want to rock the boat or whatever. Absolutely. Representative Omar is not afraid of that. And that is a deep threat to business as usual.

And she's just a Muslim. You could stop there for so many Republicans. You could just stop right there. That very well may be, but I think the foreign policy fiction is much more important. For sure. Now, with the Muslim part, that's more important for Alex. Oh, god damn it, I knew it. So that was the actually, accidentally you brought up exactly the distinction I was hoping

to make there in my introduction to this clip. Because he lies in this next clip about what she tweeted and all that stuff, which is to be expected. Of course. Yeah, that's par for the course. But if you listen to this... It's not fine, but we expected it. Yeah.

If you listen to this clip, it's 45 seconds long, and you'll see how quickly he transitions from lying about her tweets and what have you into rank Islamophobia. I saw her at a pool supply store. So much worse. Oh, by the way, you know, this Muslim woman member of Congress retweeting stuff about Jews having hooked noses and... Whoa!

Just to qualify that. Whoa! That is not accurate of what she did. She retweeted someone who was making criticism of her apparently. Yeah. And that guy said these comments are tantamount to saying Jews have hooked noses. Right, right. So it wasn't like she, you know, that greedy Jewish guy cartoon,

or whatever she did. Yeah, yeah. That she retweeted that. Yeah. Like a lot of people involved in Info Wars may have. Oh. So anyway, I just wanted to point that out, because he's misrepresenting that specific thing.

You can point that out. Jews and their money grubbing and how they run everything and all this stuff. Parentheses that I've said. Now they aren't. What do you think happens when you bring in hardcore Somalis and other people who kill everyone who isn't Muslim in their country and sell women on slave blocks? What do you think happens when you bring in Islamics who don't let any Christians or anybody else live in their countries?

It's like dropping a baby into a backyard with 14 pit bulls with rabies or something. Islam is not compatible with the West. Period. Period. If Alex believes that there is no room for him. If he's defending the West, there's no room for him to accept any Islam in the country. Ever.

He can't hide behind this dumb idea of like it's radical Islam that I'm talking about. Nope. He said Islam is incompatible with the West. Period. That's a big problem because now you have called for the elimination of a religion or at least the exiling of a religion. Which is totally constitutional, right? Under the Second Amendment.

Based on the Founders. Based on the Founders. He's just a classical liberal. Is it? Jeffersonian. There is nothing he loves more than the Constitution. Totally. Exactly.

And that's why he's never read it and cannot understand a fucking word. I know that Ben Franklin, Benjamin Franklin, when he signed the Constitution. Yeah. Underneath his signature, he said boo to Muslims. I remember reading Thomas Jefferson's Quran and it just had big red X's on every page. Yeah. It was really tough to read.

Yep. And then John Adams slipped in there and signed Never Change. So, I mean, this is just disgusting. I mean, if it stopped there, it would be one thing. It'd be like, ah, Alex, look at you. You're a fucking racist. Wearing your bigotry on your shirt as usual. But then he, the spirit gets good to him and he starts saying.

Bad to us. Yes. And he starts saying some deeply irresponsible things that are in no way based in reality. And I'm very excited to explain to you just how wrong he is after you put your mic down for this clip. Okay. Of course, he's an Islamist, probably had her genitals cut off.

It has total Stockholm syndrome up there wearing her burqa, running around in public with her jibs. Plural. In Muslim countries, they don't put women in office. Comes here, craps all over our system. Why is it about the Covington Christians and nothing's done to her? And now she's talking about a pack in the Jews all day. All day.

Unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen. It is. It is pretty unbelievable. It is unbelievable that you would do that. So Alex had a lot of really offensive stuff in that other, that clip we just heard. He managed to pack a lot in very little. So we heard him say that she probably had her genitals mutilated

and has Stockholm syndrome, which I don't care to address. I don't care to respond to in any way. That is horrible. That is absolutely just Alex playing on his bigotry and what have you. You can't decry bigotry in a bigoted way. That's insane. You can't be like, oh, she's a bigot towards fucking Jews. And then that's unreal.

It is. And but it's to be expected from Alex on some level and not to dismiss it or say it's okay or anything like that. But us spending our breath arguing about that is going to end up being like a waste of our breath. So I want to talk to you about his contention that in Islamic countries, they don't elect women. Here's a from Afghanistan.

I'll tell you about their history. Fauzia Kuzi ran for president in 2014 and had been elected as the president of the National Assembly of Afghanistan, where she'd served since 2005. Fun fact, Afghanistan has more women serving in their National Assembly with 28 percent than the U.S. does in Congress with 22 percent. Those backwards people. Even after the strides made in the last midterm election, where many women won seats. What about Azerbaijan?

Lala Shevcat served as the secretary of state from 1993 to 1994, making her the first woman in the world to hold said position. That's right. She beat Madeleine Albright by four years, who was the U.S.'s first female secretary of state. What about Bangladesh? Bangladesh is the world's most populous Muslim majority country. And guess what, Jordan? Their prime ministers have all been women since 1996.

I can't imagine why. In Egypt. What about Egypt? You like Egypt? I mean, it's all right. All right. I mean, they got some, they got some buildings over there. I heard about them.

They got that river doing all kinds of stuff. Approximately one third of Egypt's parliament is women. The late Raouya Ateya was the first female parliamentarian in the Arab world when she was elected to office in 1957. Those backwards countries. In Indonesia, Megawati Sukunoputri, she served as president from 2001 to 2004. In Turkey, Tansu Siller was elected prime minister of Turkey in 1993. What about Pakistan?

Of course, how could anybody forget about Benazir Budo, who was elected prime minister twice, serving from 1988 to 1990 and from 1993 to 1996. Budo was a member of the Pakistan People's Party, a socialist progressive party. And on December 27, 2007, she was assassinated by a terrorist who shot her and then proceeded to detonate a suicide vest full of ball bearings, killing at least 23 people. My point here is that it's painfully easy to find elected female leaders in the Islamic and Arab world.

And in many cases, they outpace the West in terms of that sort of thing. Whether it's Afghanistan having more women in parliament than us, or it's just them electing women to high level positions long before we ever did. Or have yet. We have not had a female president. Yeah. A lot of these countries have had female primary leaders. Well, we can't have a female president because Islamic countries have done it.

And we know now that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with the West, which is why we can only have male presidents. He just said it. It's proven. Well, what Alex is doing here is a disgraceful, disgusting display of Islamophobia. And he's trying to erase the historical contributions that these women and many others like them have made in order to make his point. He has more in common with the terrorists that killed Benazir Budo than he does with

any of these women, many, many of whom have worked to make their countries safer places for women and make them more westernized, something that takes a level of courage Alex could only imagine having. Also, I really, really hate his phrasing here. He didn't say that Omar didn't have any consequences for what Alex thinks are lies. She's told, he said, nothing's been done to her. That sort of language is unacceptable. Nothing has been done to her suggests that something needs to be done to her from someone

else. That might sound like an innocent slip of the tongue. But coming from Alex Jones, that is an incredibly violent sentence. The idea that someone needs to do something to her is incredibly fucked up. And just because I want to make this even worse for Alex, maybe because he uses language like that, I have another variable I want to bring into this. After he would be presented with this list of elected women in Arab and Muslim countries, he would probably get defensive and move the goalposts by saying that no Muslim country

would ever elect a Christian to their government. And he'd be super wrong about that. Bahrain is over 70% Muslim and Ali Saman, a Christian woman, was elected as the chair of their upper house of parliament in 2005. Butros Butros Gali was Egypt's minister of state for foreign affairs from 1977 to 1991. Granted, he was a huge dick and helped sell weapons to the Hutus and Rwanda that ate it in their genocide against the Tutsi. But for our purposes, he was a Christian.

Yeah, I was going to say, I don't like it when people bring up Butros Butros Gali in any kind of positive light. I'm not saying it as a positive way, as a counter example to Alex's argument, that's it. It's just like when you bring up Dick Cheney and still being okay with his daughter being a lesbian, you're like, I get you. I get you. Now that is an outlier, but I do kind of hope. I bring it up strictly as a counter example to what Alex's rejoinder argument would be.

Totally get you. And then also it is unfortunate because it's a really, really bad example. Like, you know, it is a Christian guy who was the, you know, the minister of state for foreign affairs for good 25, almost 20 years. Maybe we should kind of admit that it's less about Islam or Christianity. And it's more about the both of them. It's more about the religion or about the person. It's more about religion in general.

So then also Janet McHale, a Palestinian Christian, was elected mayor of Ramallah in the West Bank in 2005. And Leopold Sadar Sengor, a poet and cultural theorist who was a large part of developing the concept of a negative attitude was, which sought to help Africans rediscover a post-colonial unifying identity was a Christian and the president of Senegal from 1960 to 1980. Senegal is a country that is about 96% Muslim. Keith Ellison was the first Muslim elected to US Congress in 2007. The point here is that by many, many metrics, much of the Islamic world is far more progressive

than we are. There are 17 countries that require their head of state be Muslim. But in many of them, other elected posts can be held by anybody. Obviously, that's not an ideal state of affairs. But I don't really like the idea of telling countries how they have to run their affairs. Also, once we have a president who is anything further away from Christianity than Jefferson's wishy washy deist leanings, we can probably talk more about how open and pluralistic we are. So, my point is that if you get into the reality of stuff,

none of it matches the Islamophobic version of history and these countries that Alex wants to perpetuate. Pre-religious takeover, religious coup backed by the United States. Didn't Iran have women in its parliament? I believe so. I don't know all the stats on it, but I believe so. Yeah, I would say that it's more like America is fundamentally incompatible with the world. Like, that seems more likely to me.

That we're, you give, also, who could possibly love democracy more? Who could possibly love America more than a Muslim woman who is fucking, she's a rep. God damn it! So many of the- The point of America is representatives like her. So many of the women that I was able to find, you know, who were politicians in the Islamic and Arab world, in these majority Muslim countries, many of them had incredibly progressive and forward looking policies and used the idea of westernization as what they strived for.

Exactly. So, what they brought to the conversation and to the countries that they were seeking to radically change were the sort of things that Alex should be in favor of. But because he's so beholden to this idea that Islam is incompatible with any good idea and that Muslims are essentially barbaric, horrible folk, he can't see the forest for the trees. He can't see those people. So, Alex gets back to his complaints about Representative Omar. And this is, I haven't really talked too much about Alex's response to the State of the Union

address because I think it's kind of boring, but you can kind of see what most of his complaints are in this clip and we can discuss it a little on the other side. What a monstrous pig! Great story. Wouldn't stand up during the State of the Union against sex slavery and women being freed from sex slavery because that's Islam's main business, is capturing non-Muslim areas and selling the women into sex slavery. That's what it does. Islam has a business? Like, cancer, or the lungs, or bone, or brain.

But don't worry, Trump's the bad guy. Well, the people are seeing through it, so they're going into high gear to remove him from office. We'll tell you about that master plan that's been a huge news story since we broke it yesterday. It's hiding and playing a view when we come back. We'll get into the latest on Cortez and so much more today, but let me get to this. We're funded by you, and I know you know that, but literally, we are under siege by shit. Nice. Smooth ad pivot. So the news about Cortez is that she sucks, so we don't need to really talk about that.

The plan to remove Trump is he committed crimes and they have been sent to state attorneys general and stuff like that. I don't know if you're breaking news here. That's kind of like, all right, whatever. I would say if Mueller doesn't take him down, at least the New York state attorney general is going to make sure Trump is broke by the end of this. Well, and the idea that that's some sort of a plot and that the Russia investigation was a cover for them to do that sort of thing is nonsensical. The idea that in tracking down threads that were related to this investigation of the Russian interference and what have you, in the process,

you stumble across things that are like, that's super illegal. It's outside my scope. Take it state court or whatever. That is how things go. That's not a facade. That's an investigation. A really important thing that people should be talking more about is they're all like, oh, Miller's going outside of his scope. And I was like, hold on. If you're investigating a crime and you come across a lot of crimes, maybe that suggests that the crime is probably there too. Or even related in some way, but discreet, you know, that sort of thing. Yeah, it's like if you rob a bank or something like that, someone's investigating a bank robbery

and you find an unrelated murder that the person committed maybe in the lead up to, you're still going to investigate that murder. Yeah, no, no, no, it's a murder. Yeah, you're not going to be like, ah, shit, this is a bank robbery investigation. Yeah, out of my lane. Oh, we got to stay here. But you might kick it to a homicide detective, right? You know, or no, that's a cover up cover up. So the thing about Omar and like Taleb or Taleb and Casio Cortez and all those people not standing during the State of the Union, Alex has repurposed that to be they support

child trafficking and therefore they were against Trump in his speech. No, I remember because they stood up and screamed you lie at the president, right? They're so disrespectful. Different guy. That was a different guy. No, no, no, no, but I remember different circumstances. Oh, okay. Yeah, you're mixing. Oh, I'm mixing. So, so. No, no, that was because that guy was black. Oh, okay, okay. Never mind that it's fully justified. Totally. Fair enough.

So Alex did a weird ad pivot there. That was that was not good. But what shook me even more to my core was that he goes to commercial break and he comes back from commercial break and he does this. He starts doing another ad on the show. All right. But then he realizes that he's not doing a good enough job. So he decides to do a second take. But it's all on air. Does he say take it from the top?

It's insane. Listen to this. Listen to this shit. Now we're going to get to this and the plan to remove Trump from office. We've been breaking down a moment, but earlier I didn't properly plug the special we've got going right now. So I'm going to do it right now for you. We set out with brain force plus about four years ago. I said, why are we going to all these top firms and all these top research groups and paying all this money, trying to figure out what the best cleanest

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So that's what we've done. Brain force plus is very popular at 29.95 normally discounted from 39.95. Right now you can get it for 19.95. Those supplies are limited. Yeah, normally 29.95. Look at all those five stars. But if you get it in the, you know what, let's just stop right there. Let's stop because I'm going to start over. We're not going to show any images of the stuff on screen. I'm just going to, because the problem is people think I'm directing the show. I'm not really, and I'm just going to start over right now,

and I'm going to talk about this for everybody right now and we'll put it in post. It's what I'm doing right now is I'm cutting and so we can fund the operation. I'm so busy. I don't do this in post when we're not live. I'm doing it live on air right now. So no videos. Thank you very much. Okay. Now I'm going to start over here in just a moment. Then I'm going to get back into the news. We're going to find our operation. Okay. That's crazy.

We're going to put it in post, put it in post on this live show. We're going to fix it and edit it. No, what he's doing is like, I don't want to stick around for five minutes after the show to cut a fucking commercial. Right. So we're going to do it on the time when I should be going over the news stuff. I'm going to like really fuck it up for a good minute and a half. And they're like, no, no, guys, no, we're doing it.

Start over. Start over. I'm going to do this. We're going to put it in post to fix everything up. I'm going to talk about how great BrainForce is. And then he does another two minutes just on that ad doing it as a live commercial read. But on his show, I was watching. I was like, this is too much. This is real bad. That's surreal. It is. It is.

Especially after the like 10 minutes of goddamn these muslims. I know. It's so weird. That's, that's like listening to that. I imagine listening to that in real time must have been like, wait, did I get the wrong feed? Did they, did I get that very screened? Did I get a secret episode that nobody knows about? It's hard to deal with listening for sure. For sure.

And what I keep thinking is like, if you're going to be a flaming, awful, inaccurate bigot, then it kind of behooves you to go ahead and get your information right or not the information right, but do your show right. Right. Don't do stuff like that. Don't do two attempts at a live read for a commercial that you shouldn't be doing on your show to begin with right after all of that big, like that inaccurate thing. This is why Islam is incompatible with the West.

They don't do two takes in Saudi Arabia. You think the United Arab Emirates has ever done two takes? That's a good point. No, no. But here in America, we have the freedom to do it over again. Yeah. So Alex in the past has been talking about how he's mad that everyone's suing him. I understand.

I empathize. It's tough. But as he's been discussing those things, another thing he said is that like, I'm fucking suing everyone too. Okay. I think he sees it as a good racket. People are probably going to be able to take him for a little bit of his coin. Right.

I should fucking sue people too. So in the past months, Alex has been saying that he's sent out letters to people and he's started suing people already. He absolutely has been saying that a bunch, which made it hard to hear this. How dare you actually let people hear what Alex Jones said. We're just going to shut him down so we can then lie about him. And a new phenomenon is YouTube videos using washed up Hollywood stars saying we must stop the white supremacist Alex Jones.

And I've shown it to lawyers. They go, yeah, no, that's a slam dunk case. Two years. It'll cost a half million dollars, but you'll win. And they'll probably settle in six months. You want to do it? And I just, here's the deal. There's so many lawsuits I've got set up that are, that are slam dunks.

I've just got to pick a couple of them and launch them. I've just got to, I've just got to do it. And I got to start sending the letters out too. Just so let them know that, hey, you need to stop. Okay. I would guess that that means all the other stuff has been blustery bullshit. I guess I'm going to guess that is too. He should save that for his journal or something like that.

Night pages or something. You know, like I really need to get these letters sent out where I threaten to sue people who are washed up YouTube stars who call me a white supremacist. Well, he's already sent out the letters, but they, he decided to send another letter and they would put it in and post. Also, if anybody gets sued for calling Alex a white supremacist, I didn't even, yeah, I get the plan. There we go.

I didn't even, I didn't even get that. If anyone gets sued for calling Alex a white supremacist, please call us. Yeah. Oh yeah. Please call us as expert witnesses. No, we'll, we'll do it all day. That will no longer be a slam dunk case for Alex at least. Although he keeps saying slam dunk.

I'm like, I wish if, if Alex, Alex, if you do listen to our show, which I don't know either way, been asked that question a lot lately, and I don't have an answer for it. But if you want to let people know that you listen to our show, but you don't want to say our name, the next time you talk about having slam dunk cases, say that people should call you the Rex Chapman of the court. Because you've got a slam dunk case because no one will know.

No one will know that it came from us. It'll just be you and me. 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,080 Please say that Alex. So Alex complains about how I really liked that, but could you do that one more time? Everyone thinks that I direct the show and it don't. We need to fund the operation by me talking more about Rex Chapman.

So we're going to start from the top. That actually might be true. Rex Chapman is so great. We got to get Rex Chapman money. Yeah. Or just talk to Rex Chapman. I'd like to. That'd be fun.

He's done some great work against the opiate crisis. He's done some good activism. Good deal. I appreciate that in somebody in their post career kind of thing. And the fact that he had sick dunks back in the 90s. Go watch some Rex Chapman highlight reels, man. You have no fucking idea. Everyone gives it up to Jordan and Spudweb and Mugsy Boggs and D Brown.

And moving forward. Dominique Wilkins and they're all great. Don't get me wrong. Absolutely. Rex Chapman was slapped on though. Low key, sick dunker. When did Vince Carter come into the league? That was a little bit later after Rex Chapman's reign of terror in the dunk contest.

I don't think he even ever made the finals. No. Of course not. But he was really good. He's Rex Chapman. He's very good at dunking. Look, an in-game dunker is not the same thing. No, I'm saying in the dunk contests.

He got robbed. Yeah. He got robbed not making the finals. 93, 94. I don't remember what year. Listen, it's not important. No. What is important is that Alex in this next clip is going to say some interesting things.

I'm being generous. He says some things about, I don't know how to tell you this ahead of time really, except to say that what I think he's saying is he likes the world that unions have created, but also refuses to give any respect to unions for having created those sorts of working conditions that most people enjoy. Right, right. So I think that's what he's trying to express. I'll see if you agree.

But there's nothing like people who are in America bitching about how bad it is when they're trying to recreate what's outside the U.S. Because say what you want about the U.S. We've had our problems, but as corruption goes, we were one of the few places where you didn't just hereditarily get all the power than you and then everybody had to go down to you. Like people had shootouts with the railroad magnets. I mean, people went to war with the establishment and stood up to it and got some concessions,

but she's not talking about that. She is the establishment. So I don't think that anybody really achieved real progress through heaven, like let's say a duel with a railroad tycoon or something like that. I think he's metaphorically talking about the hard fought battles that unions had in order to get the five day work week, for instance. Well, let's not let's not forget, though, that those were actual very real battles that a lot of people died in.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm not, but they weren't. Yeah. They weren't the shootouts the way Alex seems to be describing. They were more like the massacres that you would imagine if a large amount of armed people. Centralized power versus workers. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. But the way that Alex is describing it, I think what he's saying is, I mean. Sure, we've had our problems. Big picture wrong. Middle picture correct. Details wrong. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's an incorrect NIST sandwich or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the middle idea of like, yeah, we are better because of these struggles against these oppressive right forces. Yes, absolutely. That's true. But you hate the people who did those things.

The pie filling is apple. The pie crust is a giant shit. That's what it is. Yeah. So it's weird to hear stuff like that. And it makes me think that Alex, I mean, it's not news. He just doesn't know what he's talking about. Look, I love the 40 hour work week.

That's great. I love having a full weekend off. That's awesome. I love being paid a livable wage. And instead of- I love my children not being at work. Yeah. Yeah.

I love not being paid in fun books that can only be used in the railroad magnates own store that are actually undervalued. And he's overcharging me for in his own fake currency. Yeah. But listen, unions are bad. Yeah. I think he has it real twisted about what things are and how things became the way they are. But it's fine.

You have to. I mean, a year and a half ago or so, we found that episode where he's like, so much of this information comes down from a lore. Yeah. Well, yeah, this probably comes from lore. But that's the thing. That's the type of thinking that my family uses to get around hating unions the whole time. They're all like, well, yeah, unions were important then.

They're not important now. And you're like, oh my God, do you not understand rich people? But that's almost even a generous take compared to Alex's. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. Because he wouldn't even probably be willing to say that. It wasn't the unions. It was the patriots with inside the unions.

Gunsling and patriots. Yep. So, like I said earlier, I believe that Alex is still at this point drifting away from Trump, but maintaining the perception that Trump's victories are his group's victories. I think that's the dynamic that's at play. And I think that'll change by our next episode just based on. Of course. Of course.

But for now, as we're listening to this on the 11th, one of the reasons that I believe that is because of this next clip. This is coup by a thousand cuts. What does Trump do? How do we respond? A thousand coups. How outrageous is this? Why won't he appoint special councils on Uranium One and on the Clintons?

Why won't he do it? Why won't he take action? Why won't he stand up the internet censorship? Now that he platforming everybody off their bank accounts, it's a reign of terror. Can I come back to Facebook? So yeah, I love Trump compared to Clinton. And I love him compared to Michael Moore and I love him compared to Nancy Pelosi. But Trump didn't get the message.

He's watching Fox News at night and they won't talk about it. So he believes that Trump is in so much danger from this deep state cabal and he's been preaching the truth from the wilderness and what have you. And Trump isn't getting the message. I love him compared to Hillary Clinton and Michael Moore, which is basically him saying I love Trump compared to people I think are the devil. Literally. Yeah.

I think people I think smell like sulfur. Right. So that doesn't mean much. The idea of I love him compared to them. Fine. That's an ambivalent take it best. Right. And then say he's not getting the message because he's listening to this watered down

pseudo globalist Fox News nonsense. Right. They won't tell him the truth. Right. And so to me that that still falls in line with the like growing frustration. Yeah. He might as well say, I mean, look, I love Ted Bundy compared to Hillary Clinton, of course, you know, he was a good guy.

Now, even when so this whole like Trump possibly declaring the national emergency that Alex has been pining for and all that stuff. Five bucks as he doesn't. We'll see. But as of our recording time, we have no idea. All we've heard is all the talk. He's stated. The White House is saying that he plans to.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, but like if he does that, I think it'll throw a wrench into the gears in time in terms of Alex's timeframe. But even if it didn't, and no matter what, I think that there is a turning away from Trump in terms of this stuff, but retaining the appearance that Trump's victories are his victories and all that stuff. I don't foresee a situation when Alex will ever turn entirely on Trump and tell Trump

does something along the lines of actually recognizing the white supremacy problem in America. I don't think he's ever going to do that. Oh, hell no. But I think that that would be the point that at which Alex breaks. Yeah. Everything else that he's cared so deeply about, he's turned his back on. Things like, uh, uh, Rex 84, things like, uh, uh, Posse Commitatus, he said are conditional

now because Trump is doing them in some sort of a white nationalist, uh, way. And in this next clip, we have another example of it. This one was really fucking hard to hear. This is at Alex turning his back on another one of his really big, uh, deeply held positions in order to support, uh, what he wants Trump to do. You know, I don't know exactly how it entirely works. But is there a way that, uh, Trump could possibly use the continuity of government in calling the column for the, uh, civil unrest that they're starting?

I mean, it's getting bad. Well, but here's the deal. I'm Mr. Ante Marshal Law. I'm Mr. Ante Police State because I saw the Democrats building up an apparatus for the constitutionalist. Then the cops wouldn't do what the dem said. So they sort of killing cops for the strong cities initiative, try to bring them in under globalist control.

Sure. The police have woken up and kind of rebelled. I mean, they're perfect. Nobody has their cross section of the country, but the country's woken up for the police have woken up by and large. In fact, statistically more than anybody else. Are they a white nationalist? And so I don't want Marshal Law, but the Democrats are putting us into a civil emergency.

They're, they're crushing our border. They're trying to end the country. They started the war. So yes, we are going towards, uh, the Democrats are going to have a state of emergency to bring in their own Marshal Law or we're going to counter them. They're going to bring in their own crisis. We're going to have to crush them at that point or capitulate. They started the war.

We're an existential war for the very future of the country right now. So that's a convoluted load of nonsense. But what's underneath it is Alex being like, look, I'm an anti-Marshal Law guy. I'm Mr. Anti-Marshal Law, but I would really love to see a Marshal Law. I'd love to see Trump use these COG continuity of government things that I've been screaming about for years, uh, being super terrible. I'd love to see him use those. It's just so sad.

All these dominoes that keep falling of his like, his life's work, his entire career, just being like, just on a, just, just on this being thrown away is, is wild. It really gives you a cautionary tale about like what it's like to not have, uh, unconditional principles, to have principles that you pretend matter, but actually don't. They're really in service of something else. Right. Because what, what, what, if you present them as intrinsic and unconditional priorities for you, and then when conditions change a little bit and you just waffle on those priorities,

it really calls into question your believability about anything. Well, it's fucking stupid. I mean, it's, it's fucking stupid. And, and it's fucking stupid because it is a double-edged sword. Like what it seems like now, all he really cares about is his side winning. And that seems to be true with, uh, all of the right wing. Like I would say so many of them know how shitty in Congress, so many of them know how shitty a president Trump is.

And once he's gone, they will all pretend that it never happened and that they were, they were all resisting from the inside. I will give you a million dollars right now. I think that's second part is probably accurate. A million dollars right now that says in two years, they're all like, no, we were all secretly resisting Trump from inside. I believe that'll be the case, but I don't think that they'll just go back to everything as fine.

No, no, no. I think they'll use, I think they'll use the memory of this period of time as like a, uh, cudgel to some extent. And, and the point, the point being is I, I am interested to know if this is how it has always been, or if there was a turn based around the propaganda that was built up when Obama was elected, wherein it stopped being about even trying to govern. There was no government. Like whenever, uh, what's this fuck?

McConnell said, it's our job to make sure you're a one term president. It stopped being about governing at all. Yeah, I think, uh, And it's entirely about, I just want my side to win. I think that piece has always been there. I think it probably has always been a loyalty to the party or the team or whatever. But to the extent it is now, I don't think it's, uh, I don't think it's the same as it's been. I don't know though.

It's bananas. Like they don't believe in anything. From every bit of studying and research that I have been able to do. I think this is very different than other periods in our history. Just for what, and I'm not even talking about Obama because it'd be too easy to, to point out how obviously stupid this is. If you just talk, imagine Obama declared a national emergency to build a wall. The entire fucking states would crumble into a rubble.

As white people just started lighting themselves on fire in the streets. But I'm talking about, imagine if fucking HW Bush had declared a national emergency for this shit. Everyone would have gone wild. Like it is crazy. And the other problem too that I don't know if, uh, I've seen a whole lot of, like, uh, talk about necessarily in terms of this stuff is like, if Trump does declare a national emergency and it's in order to build this wall and stuff like that, what's behind that is the idea that you have to stop immigrants with this wall.

Yeah. Or whatever. The emergency is immigrants. The state of emergency, when does it end? What point of immigration does it end? When no one's allowed back. Right. Is that, is that it?

That's the goal? What do you think? It's Stephen Miller's fucking idea. No, I understand. His stated goal is nobody else comes into the states ever again. And everybody who's not white goes away. I understand that. I'm not, I'm, I'm asking that slightly rhetorically in the sense of like, Oh, no, no.

I mean, I think your response is fine. But like, at what point would you ever rescind that state of emergency? You can always use it as a threat that we're under the, at what level of immigration it, because it's never going to be zero. We're never going to get to a point where there's nobody coming in and until that. And, and we, and that would be disaster. If we do, that is the end of the even idea of America. Oh, I mean, yeah.

It's gone. We should all just quit. Well, but I agree spiritually, but more to the point. The logistics of it are, in essence, you're going to create a perpetual state where, like, you are in this emergency. I don't believe that states of emergency work the way that Alex believes. Like, I don't believe that if you create this state of emergency in order to build the wall, all of a sudden you're a Duke or whatever Larry Nichols believes.

If you call it a national emergency, you are the king. You run forever. I don't believe that that's necessarily the case, but I do believe that there are certain things you can do to override the balance of powers and that sort of stuff. And if it's such a vaguely conceived state of emergency as to like, I want to build this wall to keep people out. It's not going to work. You're not going to keep people out.

So the conditions that require you to build that wall are never going to necessarily be eliminated. Right. You have an untenable situation moving forward where you just, I mean, it does introduce the idea of... Oh my god, do you see the flashing sign that just jumped up there? Yeah. It's just a big flashing neon sign that says fascism.

It's amazing. It just says fascism on it. Well, here's the reason why you should also be more worried. Alex, I don't even know how to set this up. There's a lot of stuff I don't know how to set up in this episode. I think that he crosses a line in this episode. We talk about lines. He crosses quite a bit.

I think it's important, as you listen to this next clip, to remember that earlier in this same episode on February 11th, he's talking about an elected representative who hates America, according to him. Being of a religion that is incompatible with America and the West and all that. National emergency. The idea of all of this rank Islamophobia. And granted, he has all kinds of other bigotries, but that seems to be one of his picadillos on this episode.

Anyway, I want you to remember that because that was the same episode and it was intense. It was intense and awful and targeted. It was very targeted. And then he says stuff like this towards the later part of the episode. If stuff goes into a civil war, folks, you don't go down and demonstrate. Okay. Everybody knows that if things really go into a hot war, they've already cut off our bank accounts and are arresting us.

You don't even go out to the police. You know who the enemy is. It's the globalist. It's their operatives. That's absolutely critical. Okay, folks. That's pretty clear, isn't it, Brandon? Yes, sir.

And we're not calling for that. Just if they want a war, just like at Bunker Hill, you know, the captain said, listen, we don't want a war. We don't want to start today. But if they came for a war, they're going to get one. Don't shoot first. Well, the shot around the world was fired by the Redcoats and arrests his history. So if they want a war, they're going to get one.

And they know who's loyal to America and who isn't. They know who isn't going to back down and who is. They've already been testing as soon as he was going to roll over during this. So get ready, folks. You want to go toe-to-toe with the globalist. Just understand it's on. And remember, Pelosi and all them are going to wake this out in Kauai and in Tasmania. But I, I, I imagine that there are a lot of people in those areas that have already made Santa

Claus list about, you know, everything is going to go down because if the globalists think they're going to sit here and screw this country and screw our children over and pull all this crap and that there ain't going to be a two-way street here, they're going to be blowback. What do you think is going to happen, my friend? I appreciate your call or he went. That is so fucked up. That I know that he's couching his language so much and they're like, we're not going to start this, but we're already planning to kill all of you.

That's crazy. And the idea that like, oh, Pelosi is going to hide this out in Kauai, but I got people in Kauai who's got a list of people to kill. That's so fucked up. Yeah. Did I hear what I thought I heard? Which part? I'm going to say yes. All of it.

Yeah, absolutely. I think the thing that concerns me most. That's what it is. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but like that is a conditional order to kill globalists in his idea. Like he said, don't go after the police. Don't go down and demonstrate. You know, kill the globalists and their operatives.

And whoever their operatives are often is a really vague concept because earlier in the episode, he even said that like, uh, uh, people of, uh, like even said stuff, there was a very close to like trans people are globalist operatives. Yeah. Not, not a one to one like, uh, definitional thing. Yeah. But that was an implication of something he said earlier in the show.

So like when, if you are someone who listens to him and believes him, he's giving you a, if shit gets bad, kill the globalists and their minions. If their minions are the people who are the people you demonize, then this is when shit gets bad. It's carte blanche to go kill those people that aren't on board with the info war. And that is not acceptable on any way. Even if you're saying it with this conditional, if shit pops off, let's do this. That is not okay in any way.

I, I think I found it because of, you know, I've heard him, I've heard him call for out and out murdering people all the time. Uh, I think the thing that blew my mind is that he was talking directly to a person. Oh yeah. Yeah. To that caller like that. If you were the caller there and you're like, I just want to talk about stuff. And he's like, all I'm saying is you should probably be ready to kill. And if you aren't, you're a pussy. And if you're not ready to kill, that means you're probably a globalist.

So we're going to kill you. Yeah. You're going to get some blow back. That guy's just like, yeah, cool. Like, wouldn't you listen to that? Wouldn't you listen to that and be like, I should change a lot of things about my life if this is the guy I'm listening to. Yeah. Either that or your car down the road, you get like really excited by it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Either he was jerking off or running away.

Like there's no way to describe that call or any other direction. So now when you hear stuff like that, it's really tough because on one hand, it's not illegal, I guess, because what you're saying is like, we're not going to do anything, but if she gets bad, we're going to fucking kill you and your people or whatever. So there is still like, I'm not encouraging violence or whatever, but it does introduce a really interesting question that Alex never answers. And that is when is the time? Yeah.

What is the point at which it is now necessary to kill the globalists and their minions? Unfortunately, Alex gets another caller. Oh, no. This caller is a creep. He says some really creepy shit about being inside globalist houses. Okay. And then he asks Alex what the time is, which is exactly that issue that is so vague in the way Alex presents this.

This is a Mike Down clip. Listen to what his fucking answer is. I have stood next to Ray Kurzweil. I have stood next to Nathan Wolf. You can look him up. He's a DARPA type. Okay. Listen, listen, listen. You got me ready to have a cream of pants.

So let's just stop right there. I get what you're talking about, brother. I understand. That's exactly what these bastards don't get. They're the very helicopter pilots, the very jet pilots, the very people guarding them, hate their guts and can't wait to deliver them to the bottom of the Davy Jones. I understand. Yeah.

We're in your houses. We watch you while you sleep. I don't think they realize that because they've taken our restraint for weakness, Brian. I don't know what to do. I'm a former military, former police officer, and I'm just frustrated. Well, I think while you're talking, please don't do anything. But I think where you're talking is great. We're not going to go right the street and kill cops like the left does.

Stuff goes off. We just clean house, don't we? What's the catalyst going to be? I think we're going to know it when it comes. We want to fix it. But I don't know, brother, but you're getting me. Believe me. Believe me.

You're talking the talk that, you know, I already got going on in my brain. Let's just, we need to hold back. We need to hold back. But I understand we need to let them also know that we're not scared. When you have a situation where you're saying that there is a conditional point at which, in order to save America, we will need to kill our enemies. And someone calls in talking about the idea that I'm inside people's houses. I know I'm there.

People don't even understand. You know, I've been in Ray Kerr's Wiles house and shit like that. And then asks, what's the catalyst? And your response is, I think we'll know it when we see it. You are now giving them permission to define the point whatever, whatever, when they know it, whenever they see it, they'll know it. That is basically saying like, hey, don't, don't do anything, but you'll know when it's time. If you feel like it's time, go ahead and kill that globalist.

To a, to a guy who sounds very unstable. Somewhat. Yeah. His, the longer call, I think he's, he's very creepy. And I'm, I have some red flags on him, but he's far from the work, like most unhinged info or scholar I've ever. Right. No, but I would say, I think he's in the upper echelon.

I think that's kind of a bigger problem. Yeah. Yeah. It, it speaks to something. I would say that his, his seeming like, I, I, like not too armchair psychologist, any of this, but that guy sounded like he was looking for permission to kill. Yes. So, I don't disagree with you.

So that's that Alex gave him permission to kill conditional approval. Yeah. I mean, that, that's the sort of thing. Like now it would be one thing if Alex was literally saying, go kill people or whatever, that would be cut and dry. That is something that you, that's a crime. You're, that's a crime. This is the most cowardly way to do the exact same thing or at least have the same message

get out, but be on the technically on the right side of the law. The idea that you're telling people there is a time you'll know when you see it is just sort of being like, I want this to happen, but I refuse to take responsibility for saying that I want it to happen. And I don't know, I don't, I don't think it's illegal, but I'm, I'm right up against where I think it should be. That's really fucked up. Yeah.

That's really fucked up. It shouldn't be legal to do anything, but say like, dude, go to see somebody, go see a therapist, go see a psychiatrist, go do what needs to be done because you're in a bad place right now. Laugh maniacally and be like, you're giving me a boner with this talk. Yeah. It's gross. And it's, and it's interesting.

The, the rhetorical question, I would say the, the question of when is a revolution necessary and actually interesting question. Like the, the, if you want to talk about, I mean, yeah, if you want to talk about the United States revolution, what was that? But we got a couple sent tax on T. So we decided to kill a lot of people. There might have been larger issues at play too. Right. But you know, when you look at, you look at the situation that we're in now and you're

like, I don't know what the point is. I suppose it's whenever democracy completely breaks down. Right. I don't know. I don't have a definition myself. And I think that I think it's a larger conversation. I don't know. Yeah.

No, that's, that's why it's an interesting question. It is not a question to be just given like a, hey, you'll know when to kill. Like that's not the answer to that question. No. Because especially with like the way that like the QAnon internet world has evolved to the point it is now, they have a lot of ideas of what would be a triggering event of something. Yeah. So you don't know who you're talking to at any point.

And if that person has some sort of a belief that Trump is going to do X, Y or Z, it's going to be a sign or something like that. They could take any indication of some tweet of his as to be like, let's go, let's go, let's go. You might end up encouraging someone to kill someone. Exactly. It's not like. We've seen so many people show up so many places with guns and fire. It's tremendously dangerous.

And that's the most generous thing I can say about this. It's so irresponsible. It doesn't help Alex at all. It doesn't help his bottom line. His audience is already radicalized. This is very stupid. And really, when he's being sued about Sandy Hook stuff and like causing these people so much pain, the families of the victims and stuff, I can't imagine being the type of person who would

court the possibility of recreating that scenario, the inability to learn from past mistakes. Like he's probably out. Well, he has an inability to learn period. True. That is true. But you would think that like just, I don't know, your reptilian brain would kick in where it's like, that dog bit me. Now I'm careful around dogs or whatever.

Right. It's different because Alex did this to himself as opposed to a dog biting him. But you would think that he would just intrinsically learn, don't do this same thing again. And yet he insists on doing the exact same thing. Continues to do it. Yep. So we're done. What's the definition of insanity, Dan?

That's actually not. No, I know. We're done with the 11th now. And when I listened to that episode, I was exhausted. I was burnt out and I was like, well, fuck. I don't want to just do an episode about Monday for our Friday show. That would be crazy. No, that would be fair to the listeners.

And so I jumped into the 12th and thank you very much. You poor, poor bastard. Well, it was worth it once I got to the 13th. Okay. But the 12th has some interesting weird stuff inside it. It's not a great show. And I'll say this ahead of time. So Gavin McGinnis shows up at the end of the episode,

along with this guy, Ali Alexander. And what they... Oh, I think I saw, like, I couldn't avoid... You saw that bit? I couldn't avoid this. The comedy bit? Like he got slapped or something like that. Gavin McGinnis does a character.

He leaves and then comes back pretending to be his brother and Alex and him getting into a little bit of a slap fight. And then it's comedy, man. It's hilarious. It's a desperate attempt to give people to share the video and get free buzz marketing. Right, of course, of course. It's also just bad as comedy.

There's no commitment to the bit. There's no... There was no evolution to it. It was hacky at best. And also Gavin is on... The right is really great at comedy, Dan. I don't know if you know this, but the right is really taking over comedy.

Paul Joseph Watson has explained that to me. They're really getting it now. I'm thrilled. Thrilled to see what they've got. I love Nick DiPallo. Whatever. So he's on... Gavin's on basically because he's suing the SPLC

and that's not going to go well. Yeah, good luck, Gavin. And so Alex is doing this whole thing. It's like, I know about the SPLC. And he's pretending he has all this hidden knowledge and stuff like that, but it's all just him being like, they were in A-L-I-M City. They were running it.

Like, all right, you've said that for a decade. Who gives a shit? That's not news. Whatever. So we're not going to talk about any of that stuff. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. But there are a couple of big pieces of information

that he drops on this episode that I think are important to discuss. And the first is a lie, a narrative lie that he's telling about a recent murder in New York and how it relates to abortion laws. This man reportedly stabbed this woman more than 30 times in her stomach, screaming, die, baby, die.

That's in the police report. He wanted that baby dead. And get that baby is. And get the mother is. 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,080 He then slit her throat. She's another partial birth abortion, isn't she? Poor lady.

I guess she's a post-birth abortion. And the police say sorry. We're only charging him with one homicide. Doesn't matter that the baby was close to being due. Nope, the baby wasn't. So I think it probably goes without saying, but Alex is kind of just making shit up here about this story because there is a conversation

that's happening in the larger world about the idea of late term abortions. And New York has become sort of the focal point of it. And then unfortunately, also this murder happened around the same time. And it's creating a very convoluted conversation in the right wing. And I think we need to disentangle

some of the pieces of it. While it's true that there is a law that got changed in New York recently, regarding whether or not you can be charged with homicide when you kill an unborn child. That is true. It likely doesn't really have anything much to do with this particular murder case

that Alex is talking about here. Some of the language that was taken out of the legal definition of homicide included, quote, homicide means conduct, which causes the death of a person or unborn child with which a female has been pregnant for more than 24 weeks under circumstances constituting murder.

The victim of this murder, Jennifer Irrigoyan, was five months pregnant. So it's unlikely that she was even past the point of 24 weeks. It's far more likely that this is like, what the situation was involving her murder is that the prosecutors had an open and shut case of first degree murder.

And the prosecutor probably didn't want to tack on more charges that may or may not stick. When he's going away for life, I kind of understand that, you know, why get messed up in a little, this gray area of stuff. You know what I'm saying? Right.

So there's a few corrections that I need to make to Alex's story. The first is he didn't, the murder didn't stab Jennifer in the stomach 30 times. Some of his stabs were to the torso, but he also mostly targeted her neck. Two, he didn't yell, quote, die, baby, die.

There was a neighbor who heard the attack who said that she heard the victim scream about how he was going to kill the baby. But the way Alex is presenting this doesn't match any of the reporting on the story. I think he's just embellishing the story to make it more emotional to his audience and make the cognitive leap between

this murder and abortions more easy for them to make in their head. Yeah. The pairing of the two. And third thing is a big reason to change the existing law in New York is because the law, as written, didn't do anything except criminalizing

appropriate healthcare. I was about to say exactly that. If you were a woman there who found out in your sixth month of pregnancy that the fetus in your womb was unviable or wouldn't survive after birth, but your health wasn't at risk, it would be murder for the doctor

to remove the unviable fetus from your body. Essentially, you'd have to go to a different state or live for three months in a state of unbelievable emotional devastation that no one should have to be put through. New York State made abortions legal in 1970, three years before Roe v. Wade, but has never updated their state statute since,

and thus the archaic language remained until very recently. Literally all the old language did was make it harder on women, since in cases like the one Alex is talking about, there's still plenty of criminal charges on the books that could be applied. New language added to the bill

makes it clear that the only people who are permitted to perform abortions are licensed healthcare practitioners. So the idea that this guy who is stabbing this woman, that's just a late term abortion is nonsense. It doesn't apply at all. Legitimately, all this is about protecting a woman's right to choose,

and many other states are far past New York in terms of protecting that right, even considering this new update to the language of the law. This is a tragic situation where this woman's ex-boyfriend wanted to murder her, and whatever the motivation for that murder is was not public by the time Alex got on air

and started talking about this stuff. Yes, he probably did also want to kill that baby. I don't think that that colors anything at all. I don't think that that makes Alex's argument make more sense. I think it makes everything more tragic, certainly. But in the... It's dudes.

It's dudes. Well, certainly. It's dudes. All that the 24-week... And that's the thing that's amazing to me about the way that the right wing has couched that language is always like, we're trying to protect fetuses,

but all they're really doing is harming women. Like with that 24-week situation, what are they really criminalizing? Are they criminalizing doctors? No. They're criminalizing women who are fucking freaked out of their goddamn minds who try and do...

Who can't get an actual abortion from anywhere because of 24-week laws or whatever it is, and they try and self-induce an abortion or a miscarriage. And of course, now they're murderers. That's what the law is. It is not a deterrent. It is not something that's going to help anybody.

It is only something that is going to criminalize the very idea of being a woman. And as this debate has been happening, and I call it debate very generously because I don't think it is. It's a massacre. Well, I mean, like in the last month or so, there have been a lot of conversations

that have been happening in public. Oh, because the Supreme Court is going to overturn Roe v. Wade. I mean, there's a lot of fears about that. And you know, who knows? Hopefully not. Hopefully things stay fairly sane and what have you. But because of this New York law change

and stuff like that, it's triggered some of these conversations. And I would just beg everybody, go and read some of the accounts of women who needed late-term abortions and were not allowed to have them. Those sorts of stories are very publicly available. There's some you can find in like The New Yorker

at Huffington Post recently. Warning, they're very triggering in many ways. Absolutely. They're very tragic. But if you read those stories and don't come away from them with a greater understanding of what the actual issue is, then you're not paying attention.

There are... One of the things that really struck me in one of the articles that I read, I think it was the one in The New Yorker, was this, the person who wrote the article was talking about the argument of any legislative or legal rules about abortion really hinges upon the idea that there's a world

where people just want to kill fetuses. Yeah. Like they wantonly want to kill fetuses. Yeah, exactly. And reading that sentence was like, oh yeah, totally. Yeah. Whoa, I didn't even think about that.

01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,680 The idea that you have to make laws is predicated on the idea that people, if those laws weren't there, would just be like, let's fucking kill babies. Of course. Which is the world view Alex presents, the idea that these people do genuinely want

to just murder fetuses. Yeah. When in reality, every single doctor... Well, not every single doctor is in the same way. Because they're going to be... Yeah, you can fucking... There's a couple shitheads wherever. There's a couple shitheads wherever.

But 99% of doctors that you talk to, or people who have been in that situation, are not looking to kill anybody. They're looking for appropriate healthcare. And I think it's like 1% of all abortions are late-term abortions. And they are never light decisions. And then when we say this,

somebody like Alex would say, what about Kermit Gosnell? Like, yes. Fuck off. Fine. You have one example. I get it. And that person, if he weren't in that position,

would be killing children probably. Right. You know, he would be victimizing somebody. That's not about abortion as much as it is. And that guy would still get arrested, even if late-term abortions were legal. Because of what he was doing. I can't imagine being seven months pregnant

and getting the news that your child was going to be stillborn. And then having to carry it. And then having to carry it. Or go across state lines. Yeah. And if you can't afford it. Can't do it.

Then you just have to be pregnant. Yep. Knowing that you're going to go through two months of fucking hell and then years of hell. That is unreal. And that law really protects. No doctor. What?

No. What? No ethically operating doctor who wouldn't have other reasons that their license should probably be under review. Whatever perform late-term, real late-term abortion when there wasn't a good reason. Yeah.

Whether it's the fetus is unviable outside of the body or is a risk to the woman. That sort of thing. So actually, I had a bit of a maybe naive position or just unexamined position of like, yeah, after a certain point there should just be laws against abortions and stuff like that.

But from looking into this and reading a lot of these stories and looking at doctor's perspectives, I've come around to the point where now my position is, there should be no laws about it. Absolutely. It should be all decisions made between doctors and women,

quite frankly. And that's that. I think that's the position we need to get to. I 100% agree. I remember growing up because I grew up religious. I remember being told, well, everybody who's listening to this, I mean, I guess.

I like the way you choked on those words. That's all. Well, I'm just so fucking furious with, I mean, if you've listened to this show, you know I grew up religious. If you're new, welcome to the fucking Thunderdome. I don't know what to tell you. And my parents being so vehemently anti-abortion, period.

And I remember being like 14 or 15 and knowing somebody who had gotten an abortion and having them communicate the entire thought process. And that was it for me. I was literally like, no, whenever. If it's your, it's you. I don't even think a baby is good. Until you're conscious.

I don't even know if you're a real thing. Yeah, I know. You're just an existence. And I mean, that's a joke, but at the same time, it's like, it's not okay. You're only hurting a person. The actual concerns that people could have that are based in reality would be handled

by oversight and regulation of the medical industry that are, some of those regulations are there to begin with. Some could be strengthened and more oversight made. Those sorts of things to make sure that people are operating in an ethical way that follows patients wishes and they're not acting capriciously,

that sort of thing. All of the things you could hope to solve legislatively or punitively, you could handle through that approach. And I think it would protect vulnerable women far more than any of this law bullshit. Absolutely. So I've come around to that position. So I don't know.

And there's no, there's no end, like pointing out hypocrisy now is stupid. They're, it's stupid. They don't give a fuck. But the idea that the same group of people who want to make it impossible for a woman to get an abortion, want to make it impossible not to own a gun is never endingly insane.

Never endingly insane. There are so many, so many fucking. And even more insanely, they don't want access to preventative, like birth control. Oh, of course not. So that's where they sort of tell on themselves a little bit. People who are anti-abortion and are in favor of

like wide access to the morning after pill and contraception, they're just fucking idiots. Just be fucking honest. You don't women, you don't want women to participate. You don't want women to have agency. Just be honest. At least then we can talk about that instead of all this couching around.

Yeah, well, exactly. Because that's their legitimate position. It seems to be where all of it stems from, absolutely. But in the same way, you know, you can't bring that out, if you're them, because they know it's a bad argument. You know what? They said that you couldn't bring out over racism to win, and they fucking did that.

Fine, give them a year. So, well, fair enough. Trump wins in 2020. That will be. Oh yeah, then you make a good point. So, on this episode too, that stuff was pretty ugly, and I didn't enjoy necessarily hearing Alex's take on it, which he spends a fair amount of the show on.

But he also gets to an op-ed that one George Soros wrote. Oh, God. For MarketWatch. Oh, God, why is it? And it's about the troubles that the EU is facing. There are a bunch of challenges from these Eurosceptic groups and things like that. And so he wrote this op-ed that just basically discusses

the challenges that the European Union itself faces, and how it probably is going to lead down a very bad road. And maybe there are some ways that they can change the EU in order to preserve the EU and keep these people satisfied in some way, but it's not necessarily, he just thinks that people, the endpoint of the article is basically that people need to wake up to the idea that the EU will probably end up breaking up.

And what will come from that is the same troubles that the USSR saw after it fell apart. Yeah. He wasn't comparing the EU to the USSR. I imagine we're about to find out that he is. That accusation is going to be made. He used it as an example of another large group ended up breaking up into constituent countries.

Right. Or even though in the EU, those countries are all still fairly sovereign and unique. He uses the Soviet Union as an example. He's not comparing, you know what I'm saying. 01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:44,000 I know what you're saying. So anyway, Alex discusses this op-ed.

Let me just do this. When you study globalists and you study their publications, they have business publications that pretty much tell you what's going on because business readers are going to be investing in things. They really want to know what's going on for sophisticated audiences. What?

Sure. And they hide it in Plainview. George Soros just came out in the Wall Street Journal. Plainview, Illinois is where they give it all. Online and not bad. And said, we need authoritarianism in the euro, or it's going to collapse like the Soviet Union. We need an EU army to smash resistance.

Sounds like the guy I know. That's just sensational evil. He didn't say any of those things. Those aren't in the article at all. What? Now, it's interesting because I was like, I read the article, it doesn't say that. Alex is presenting that.

I'm like, why does he think that is it? One obvious example is he's lying. Yeah. Maliciously lying. And he knows that no one's going to go read the article. That's one possibility. But then he talks about it a little more. And I start to think maybe he's only read the Info Wars

article about this op-ed that George Soros wrote. And so he starts talking about the post on Info Wars. But it's actually way worse than even that. But let's go to the next report here. Europe may be on the cusp of a nightmare, but it's not too late to wake up. And who wrote it? George Soros.

So zoom in on this for me. And I'm going to read this for folks. There's a boil down article on InfoWars.com that gets right to the quotes. Mr. New World Order. Twitter in uproar over Soros analogy comparing EU to the USSR. What if I compared it for my 20 years plus on air,

but to the USSR? So Alex is thrilled with that comparison, but he read the headline Twitter in uproar over Soros comparison. Huh. So I went to InfoWars and I found that headline. That's not a boil down on InfoWars. That's a reposting of a Sputnik article.

That is InfoWars reposting a Sputnik article critical of George Soros. It's crazy. Come on, man. It's crazy. God damn it. Alex is presenting at this as like, Paul Joseph Watson did a report.

This is the boil down. No, that's from Russian state media. You're just republishing it. At least try and hide a little bit for Christ's sake. Come on. And this isn't to say that RT and Sputnik never have any clean reporting or anything like that, but I will say that any time it's something to do

with the USSR and George Soros, and it's coming from Sputnik. I bet you did a good faith. It's good faith. I'm going to say it's not biased. Objective reporting day out. It's not good. Fair and balanced, or however you translate to Russian.

It's not good. What is a boil down article? It's when you put an article in a pot. Pot doesn't really, or the... Isn't that reducing? The article doesn't realize how hot the water is getting because it started to low temperature. All right.

All right. It's like a, it's like, yeah. Fragrant article. Yeah. Now, I mean, a boil down is basically just taking... It's called cherry picking is what it is. Yeah. It's just choosing what you want,

and then presenting Soros' words in a disingenuous fashion. No, the moment he even said the words boil down article, I was like, that shouldn't exist. Whatever it is that that means, I have an idea enough to know that a human being should not be allowed to read that. So then Alex reads the Sputnik article that's reposted on Infowars.

Damn it. Can you be more on the nose? I mean, never points it out, which is the fun game that he plays. But what's really fun about it is he does most of it in his evil Soros voice. Okay. It would take us all day to listen

to him read two paragraphs of this fucking thing because he just said... I'm proud of him for making through two paragraphs. Well, I mean, it is Russian propaganda. So it's got a higher priority. Yeah. So here's a clip of Alex doing it, and he makes a very critical error in his ability to read,

which I've always said is literacy is a problem. And I'll just tell you ahead of time, he thinks that the article says infection. The article says inflection. Oh, okay. Alex misses the L in it. Now I got it. Now I got it.

All right. The upcoming European parliamentary elections are set to become an infection point for the European project the billionaire argued. According to Soros... Oh, funny. What am I called by CNN and MSNBC? An infection.

A disease. Alex Jones is a... Viracy must be silenced. He gives them spirit. He is willing to stand against us. We must first destroy his name. So he's gone off on this infection riff. Yeah, this is not going anywhere.

No, it's not good. Has anybody... I thought somebody else directed the show, wouldn't they have been in his ear being like... You guys are bad. You missed the L. It's a bad bit. It's an inflection point.

This is a bad bit. Inflection point is what the article actually says. Not infection point. Good riff though, boss. In a second here, he's going to do another run at the sentence. And I thought for sure he's going to realize that he misread it.

He doesn't. They corrupt him before we kill him. Do not make him a martyr. Destroy him first. Then I will have my victory over him. Sorry, let's get it. 01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,720 The upcoming European parliamentary elections.

Oh, George, the best laid plans of mice and men often go astray. The upcoming European parliamentary elections are set to become an infection... An infection point for a European project. Oh, the European project. Whose project is that? So he just does it again. He just riffs off the misreading of the article.

It's so fucking funny. I kind of wish... So crazy to me. But also, actually, if you go to Infowars, I don't know what font they're using, but I can understand how Alex missed that L. The F and the L do blend together a bit. I'm not getting them off the hook for this.

He should fucking know better. And it's his website. I believe it's Maline's New Roman. All right. Ah, yeah. See, this is where I wish we had a producer who could be like, Hey, good riff, boss. Like that.

So yeah, I mean, that's bad. That's really bad. I mean, he hasn't read the... He hasn't read the op-ed. He hasn't read this article that's on Infowars reprocess from Sputnik. He doesn't know what's going on. He just thinks he finds a word and then he riffs on it.

He's like, yeah, that was good stuff. I did a great job with that. High five myself. So then he has Gavin McGinnis on and we're not going to talk about that at all. And now we're going to jump to the 13th, just Wednesday. And this episode ends up going to some fun, and some not some fun places,

but we'll start. It goes to some places. Yes, but we'll start here with, I'd like to remind you that on the 11th, Alex was Islamophobic as shit. And then towards the end of the show, kind of conditionally told his audience to murder his enemies. Yes.

And along the way, also perpetuated Islamophobic ideas that were completely inaccurate about Muslim countries, not electing women and those sorts of things. He's way off base on all sorts of things. So what he did on the 11th was singled out a group as an other, and then suggested to his audience that they should prepare for violence against that other group

and ensure that when that other needs to be killed, they should be killed. And then on the 12th, he insisted that Soros was supporting a Hitler plan. And he doesn't see the... Well, here's the thing. I do agree with your assessment of it, but I'm more interested in how,

like he was way off base on the 11th, particularly about the Muslim countries not electing women. Yeah. That was embarrassing. Then on the 12th, he's off on this New York abortion story. Yeah. Crazy far afield, his angle on this.

And then at the same time, doesn't it disclose to his listeners that this isn't an infowars boil down. This is a Sputnik article, and then he hasn't read it and misreads inflection as infection and just does this weird Soros voice.

So everything has been terrible on his show, like from a professional standpoint, including him having to redo that commercial back on the 11th. I forgot about that. It's been dog shit. That's delightful. This show has been dog shit for the last two days.

Yeah. And then he did the fucking fake slap fight with Gavin on the 12th. Really don't want to believe that. Crazy stuff. So it should not surprise anybody that this is how he starts the show on the 13th. I'm particularly focused today,

and I've got a particularly powerful mapped out transmission for you. And I don't think anybody that's been listening lately can deny the broadcast have been particularly piercing. But the guests, the research, the reports, everything, because the times demand it. Many a historian and many an individual like Winston Churchill pointed out that

a lot of times it's not that a person's that great, but that they are in incredible times, and they step up making themselves great. That is some narcissistic bullshit, especially considering how bad his show has been. No, no, no. Look, this is gross. I say stuff like that about me all the time,

and that's because I'm so down to earth, Dan. It's not that I'm any good at anything. It's just that the times require me to step up and release my greatness into the world. If I were living in a less exciting time, like perhaps the 1300s, would I be a podcast host? Probably not. See?

It's the times that have made me great. Sure. I don't know. All this is to say that Alex is starting out like, I'm real focused. I'm going to do a great job today. This is going to be amazing. The show has been great lately. I feel really good.

Why would he feel that way? I don't know. Maybe he had some turbo force before the show. I don't know. I don't know. He had a full one? No, no. We would know that.

We would know that. I think he's just- I think my show has been fucking great. Everybody would tell me otherwise. It's the wrong land. He's just feeling himself. You know, not against that, not judging. But then he jumps in to some issues.

And unfortunately, like he did earlier with the COG stuff, the continuity of government stuff, where he sort of invalidated a lot of his past points, he now invalidates one of the only things that you and I and him had mutual agreement upon. What is he going to say that we should illegalize marijuana? Nope, not that one. Oh, okay.

And then Ted Cruz is really great idea. Oh, no! Really great idea. Asset for your seizure in general inside Conush and against citizens is unconstitutional and very dangerous and out of control. And I want it reformed until people are convicted. Then it's constitutional.

But on the border, Katie bar the door. That's where you're supposed to seize illegal stuff. And it's just a procedure. And that would fund it. I mean, 14 million in the coffers and different assets. And El Chapo, that'll fund most of the wall right there. He's talking about the idea of like seizing all of El Chapo's assets, which...

So asset for it, for sure. That's illegal. But I mean, El Chapo has been convicted now in American court or whatever. Right, good for him. But I think that those assets probably are the property of like the Mexican government. Uh-uh.

I think that those are Mexican assets. We get them. I don't think that we can just steal them. No, we got them. But I don't know. I don't know the law on that. I might be wrong. But that is even muddying the waters.

Because in order to create this wall, they would still need to seize the property of tons of people who own the property along the border. Like it's not the idea just you can't afford it. The civil asset forfeiture argument still involves the idea of like, this is going to get into these people's property if you want to build the way you would need to build.

They're going to give it up because it's such great patriots. Otherwise, why would you own property along the border? But no, that's not the case. So the idea that Alex is bringing up like being cool with civil asset forfeiture, when it's not civil asset forfeiture, in terms of El Chapo's property or assets or anything like that,

is a preparation for being fine with the idea of people who have property along the border, having their property taken from them in order. Forcibly. Yes. Yeah. In order to create the wall. He's doing this as a preemptive,

waffling on his civil asset forfeiture principles. That's a bummer. But, you know, what can you do? I, the more, the more we dig, the more he talks, the more it's like, you have two real principles. White people should own guns. Those are the only two.

Yeah, I mean, it's one principle, but it's the two pieces. 01:42:58,400 --> 01:42:59,760 The white people and guns. Exactly. And they belong together. Yep. That's it.

White people and guns, chocolate and peanut butter. And it's white men and guns, really. Oh, well, yeah. As we learned in this next clip, women are incapable of defending our species. We're delivering the goods. Because we can't let the women and children down. There's still got to be men.

Real quick, I got to pause because he's banging out at Depeche Mode. I know, I know. And Depeche Mode. Policy of truth? Policy of truth would want him to die. Policy of truth is a banger. That is a great song.

And it's hilarious to me because Alex plays it twice on this episode. Really? Yeah, he plays it twice. Oh, man. And man, it's so clear that he's going through some shit and the lyrics of that song are like really right where he like the whole song is all about

like you're going through some troubles now. Everything's bad because in your youth, you adopted a policy of truth. Yeah. You could have lied. Yeah. All that stuff. It's what he wants to believe about himself.

And so he's playing it a bunch. I love the idea that his emotions are so mirrored by the music choices. Right. It's like when times are good, there's like eastbound, down, roundabout, and truck and highway men and stuff. Like everything's like,

hey, we're having a great time here. Ooh, look at this. I'm going to steal me a silver stallion. And when times are bad, it's like you're being persecuted because you told the truth. Well, we're going to play an hour of Elliott Smith because Muslims, they exist. That might not be under his licensing agreement,

but somehow Depeche Mode's one of their, I don't know, I don't want to say lesser hits, but medium hits. I'm going to start this clip over because I want to hear more of the policy of truth. OK, I knew it. We're delivering the goods because we can't let the women and children down.

There's still got to be men. The globalist fear men. Everything they do is to target men, to dumb them down, to confuse them, to arrest their development. Are you sure? Because men carry the will to defend the species. They really don't.

Women are the species, and our union is holy. And the enemy is attacking that with everything it's got. Week. Week. Week. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's pretty crazy.

I, I, that doesn't take into account like metrilineal societies. No, I'm not going to, I'm not going to go out on the limb here. OK. I'm just going to say I'm just going to be well within normal conversation. At what point does defending the species just turn into murdering other people?

I mean, there's a thin line for Alex for sure. Right. But you know what's interesting? We had a conversation about the, the 5% nation, the nation of gods and earths. Yeah. Not too long ago on the podcast.

01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:06,480 Yakub. And when I was hearing Alex talking about this, the species and stuff like that, who can protect it? It kind of made me, I heard echoes of it, you know, in the sense that in the 5% nation, or at least the classical understanding that Clarence Thirteen X put out, it was the idea that the black man was God,

and the black woman was their earth. And they lived in this sort of like symbiotic relationship of the, the, the God over the earth and the earth supporting the God. Right. Alex is describing a very similar relationship between men and women. You take out the Islamic roots and the, you know,

all that stuff. Right. You're talking about the men are the ones who protect the species and the women are the species. Right. That implies a subservient rule wherein, without the men, the women are nothing. Right.

And they know that. Right. There is the exact same sort of dichotomy there. And it's bad in both places. Have we considered letting women, instead of like the men having a symbiotic relationship with the women, have we considered just letting women have all the control and then keeping men as pets?

Have we considered that Ghostface Killah is actually Alex Jones and not Bill Hicks? That could be true. I don't know. That could be true. All right. Or did ODB fake his own death? No, their body types don't fit.

No, that's true. Ray Kwan's pretty short though. I think he's probably shorter than Alex. No, there's no way Ray Kwan is anything. He's much better with words. Hell yeah. Much more gifted. So that's a lot of nonsense and it is what it is.

Now over the course of the last, like, I don't know, since Roger got arrested, Alex has been really doing his damnedest to, I would say, with restraint, tell Roger to go fuck off. Right. We've heard on the show him being like, hey, you know, he's taken away from a lot of our money and stuff. I'm pissed off that every day is now a Roger Stone fundraiser

on this fucking show. Gonna have to fire him. Yeah, that sort of thing. On this, the 13th, Alex says some, I mean, this is petty. This is Alex to a tee. I like it. I'm already in.

He is so mad at Roger Stone, but he can't get really mad. And I really think a big part of it is that he knows that, Roger Stone is going to fuck me if we fight. Oh yeah. He's so dirty. He knows too much about me. You would never trust Roger Stone. Hell no.

And if you knew him a little bit and he knew stuff about you, you would never fight with him. You would let that whatever, I don't know, parasail glide gently down to the jail that is him going to prison. Yeah. You don't shoot it out of the air. He's going to shoot back. Right.

I lost track of that metaphor. I'm not sure, but I think it actually makes sense, but in a weird way. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex does one of the most overt Roger can go fuck himself kind of things I've heard in a long time. You know, I like Roger as a friend, but he doles out exclusives to like,

give some to Fox News, some to Daily Caller, and he works here. I pay a salary. And I'm taking both my phones here. Jack, so big call us for comment on this like 10 minutes ago. So Roger Stones and you're the woodshed here pretty soon. Roger Stone has filed lawsuit against Robert Mueller. Which he should seeing and clearly is there being coordinated by the FBI.

He has the screenshots for the CNN screwed up and said comment on your indictment. It's the idiot reporters. One thing about these traders is they are stupid. They sent him the day before he didn't really know what to do with it. He saw it the next day. Hey, you've been indicted. What do you make of this for the grand jury even building? So that's incredible.

So, so this is not being picked up yet. So this is a global exclusive in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia filed a day. Roger Stones motion requesting a show cause order. So it's on Gateway Punnett. Well, that's good. Gateway Punnett can hire Roger, which I think really front does a great job. In fact, Roger Stone now works for the Gateway Punnett, which is good.

I like what they do. They're very prolific. They're bulldogs. I really like it. So there you go here at the Info Wars Command Center. Roger Stone has been charged with Congress. It goes on from there about how they staged the whole deal, which is a great point. And you know, show the cause of how you trampled his rights to do this.

So there you go. And there is the there's the document right there. You know, people call us to find out what Roger's up to. And I just I can't tell you. I don't know. So Roger Stone now works for the Gateway Punnett, ladies and gentlemen. Seriously, has about 10 seconds ago. Roger, get a job with the Gateway Punnett now.

Because let me check my other phone. I don't want to go off half cocktail. Maybe he called this other phone and gave them gave me the exclusive. Nope. Doesn't look like it. Hey, guys. He does get this phone and plug it in for me. Oh, I'm going to mess around here.

Well, I gotta tell you. Wow. Are we are we? Alex is Alex's best girlfriend after he just went through a bad breakup. Are we getting drunk together ice cream? Do we have mimosas? Is that what we're doing right now? That hurts, man.

Fuck him. He gave the exclusive to Gateway Punnett. I pay his salary works there now. Fuck. Oh, wait, maybe there's no way he thought that on that phone was the text. Roger, give him the phone. That was him playing that out. Oh, yeah.

Oh, maybe he called it. Nope. He didn't go fuck yourself, Roger. You piece of shit. Give me. Oh, oh, you went on a work retreat with Delilah from the office. No, she's just a work friend. I get it.

I fucking get it. I get it. Your shit is on the lot. Given Delilah all the exclusives because you know they have more penetration into non-insane people than I do. That's crazy. That, I mean, that's just, that's petty. That is, that is childish.

I love it. But it's what you get. You're working with Roger Stone. I know. So a little bit later in the show, Alex discusses some signifiers of racism, let's say. His life? No.

I believe this is part of a conversation he's having about Northam, the Virginia governor. Yeah. It's blackface and what have you. Hey, who among us? Alex, who are we to judge Jimmy Kimmel? I'm not thrilled with that either. I don't think a lot of people are. But Alex has some thoughts about that and he starts talking about it.

It drifts into weird territory and then we get back to his incredibly failed and ball dropped entirely, feud with Joe Rogan. So at the bottom of the hour, this has gotten no attention. But if you think wearing blackface is bad, if you think dressing up in a KKK outfit is bad, which I think it's the context it's in. I mean, I'm not defending it. If you think that, then, then, then, then what Joe did is like capital murder.

So apparently blackface and wearing a Klan outfit. Yeah. Conditionally bad. They're not bad. It's context. Right. Context matters. Yeah.

If you're dressing up like Carl Malone, it's fine. I don't know if I support that line necessarily. I was being facetious. I think very hard. I hope everybody got that. I think that there probably is a Halloween costume where wearing a Klan outfit would be okay, but it would have to be some sort of a pun

where you're making fun of the Klan with the costume. Yeah. You couldn't just dress up as a Klan member. Right. But if the Klan member was like on fire. Right. If you were able to find some way to make a statement out of the, the larger design of the costume,

I'll accept that context. Oh, I just meant that you would like that person on fire. But that would also, well, I mean, sure. I'm saying that there is a way that you could stretch Alex's words to make sense, but that's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that sometimes blackface is pretty cool. He is absolutely saying that sometimes blackface is pretty cool. So Alex has started this feud with Joe Rogan,

where he said he's going to hang him up by his legs and slit his throat politically or whatever. Like a stuck pig and whatever. And then he backed off on it because I think he just ran out of steam and Rogan wasn't responding and it just didn't go great for him. So then a listener sent him a clip of Rogan from years ago talking about, we're not going to play the clip. Alex plays it.

It's like a 30 second clip. I'm not sure what the context was, but it doesn't matter what the context was. It was fucking terrible. He's talking about going to see the planet of the apes in like a mostly black neighborhood. And he goes to the theater and Rogan says, I walked into the theater and we walked into the planet of the apes,

which is racist on its face. But as Alex keeps trying to point out through his conversation of this clip, Rogan is a comedian. And so he's like, he's trying to walk this weird line where he's like, I'm not mad that you said that because you're a comedian and I get that you're not a racist. And in the process, he talks about how Rogan has a couple of black children that he's adopted, which he's like, you don't want people to know that it's not public. I'm like, I don't know if it is or isn't, but if it isn't Alex,

you're being really fucked up right now in terms of putting Joe's business in the streets. And not because they're black children or anything like that, because it's his personal life that he tries to keep private. Whatever it is, just the idea that he has children he has adopted or whatever the case is, if he doesn't want that out there, that is his right to keep private. Because in the same way that Alex professes to try and keep his children private, you have a right to that as a public figure. Your children aren't an extension of yourself.

So if Rogan was trying to keep any information about his kids or any of that stuff private, and Alex is just blowing hard on air in order to serve his argument that I'm not calling you a racist because some of your adopted children are black, it's still bad what Alex is doing. It's very strange. Yeah. So Alex is bringing up this clip of Rogan being racist. Right.

And he's trying to walk a weird line with that too, where he's like, if I said stuff like that, everyone would be mad at you, me, but you get away with it and you're cool. The left, the left would pillory me for this, because what they do is find clips and bring it to everyone's attention to attack a person. Right. Alex, that is exactly what you're doing right now. It literally one to one.

It's exactly what you're doing. One to one. Exactly. But I need to make an example of this, of how you get away with it. So Alex is going to discuss that. And before we get into it, I just want to make clear that I don't, I don't support any of this, this bullshit on either side. You know, I don't think that I don't think Rogan's right in this.

I don't think that Alex is right in this. I think that Alex is right in his criticism that what Rogan said is fucking racist. Absolutely. The context is there that he's making a joke. It's a racist joke. Absolutely. Right. But Alex's assessment of it is correct.

But Alex is the wrong person to make that assessment. Right. Much like the people complaining about Representative Omar being anti-Semitic and they have tweeted out Soros memes. Right. It's like that. Alex is incapable of making this argument without it going so far off the rail. I can't stress this enough.

Alex has no business being involved in this conversation. He has no business. And as I'm saying right now, it goes off the rails so hard. So fast. And Alex ends up being so racist in trying to condemn Joe Rogan for this 32nd clip of Joe being, he's racist. He's being racist. Yeah, he's being racist.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, good for him. Now, but Alex fucks it up so hard. It is so embarrassing. So here's the first clip where Alex discusses that clip of Rogan. And then it, boy, it's crazy to me how fast this goes bad. Because it doesn't have to. He could end really quick.

Like here's how this could go. If you were Alex, you could play the clip and be like, he gets away with stuff like this all the time. Everyone comes down on me for my speech. Please buy brain force. That easy, easy. That easy. That easy, not hard, not hard.

I am a victim by virtue of this existing and no one yelling about it by brain force. What aboutism writ large without any like, and also here's why it's fine for me to be racist. Like no. Nope. Turns so bad so fast. But I'm being unpersoned, Joe. I'm being destroyed. And then you sit there and compare black people to planet of the apes.

Who are you talking to? Beyond blackface. And that's supposedly a okay. And look, you're a comedian. I know you're not a racist. We're all semean. I mean, I mean, I look like a gorilla. What?

I'll stand there with my clothes on. Stop. They have a wife like, God, you look like a gorilla. I'm like, God, I'm gonna look like I've got this giant 20 inch neck with this huge chest. I'm not bragging. My chest is as big as Schwarzenegger's in his prime. It's ridiculous. I look like a gorilla.

I walk like a gorilla. We're all semean. Of course, white people look like gorillas. Of course, black people look like gorillas. We're in that family. We're the super IQ super gorilla. Jacked into God. But the point is, Joe, you can't have the whole leftist thing and then eat the cake too, bro.

You can't do it, man. Whoa, that was one. That was one run on sentence that went bad. That was, that was, what was that? Joe, you can't compare black people to apes. Also, we're all basic. We all look like everybody. So you were right.

What? What was that? Who whose brain thinks the words those were? It was a crippling. Like a troubling attempt at a point. It's just, just how it was. That's outrageously. I don't understand what it's not goal.

I want to know what the goal was. It's to make Rogan look worse. What is it? Yeah. Yeah. How? I'm not sure. Because it seems like he's trying to.

Why would you do this? If you weren't trying to make Rogan look worse? Or make yourself look like more. Tim Burton's planet of the apes. Come on. It wasn't a good that. It wasn't that good. Oh, no.

Yeah, that was terrible. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was. All right. That was a pretty solid Tim Burton joke. I got my wires crossed. That was a pretty solid Tim Burton joke.

I got my wires crossed. And I thought for some reason, the newest one was the Burton one. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's okay. That Tim Burton one was terrible. Yeah. Aplicking. Did I ever tell you about?

See, why would you do that other than to make yourself look worse? That came out back when I worked at that movie theater that I talk about all the time. Yeah. And we had to screen it because that's how you, you know, on Thursday nights, the projectionist will build the movie and then you have to screen it to make sure that you built it correctly.

Right, right, right, of course. And so when it was a movie that people wanted to see, it would turn into a party. And so all of us would get together at the theater. Our managers were over 21. We were under 21. Hell yeah. They would buy us booze.

Everybody's cool. And we were just at the theater. It's Missouri and this is fine. It was like seven to 10 of us just watching a movie the night before it comes out, getting wasted. And we went to see the Tim Burton remake of Planet of the Apes and through most of it we're drinking. We are having a real bad time because it's terrible.

Bad movie. It's a bad movie. One of our managers, Rick, he wasn't the one who bought us booze just to let him off because I've named him and he didn't. But he was like the whole time at the end when they're like, when he's coming back to, you know, it's the resolution of the movie. He's flying back into Washington. Rick is just sitting there with his arms crossed.

He's like, Ape Lincoln, Ape Lincoln, Ape Lincoln. They're going to do Ape Lincoln, Ape Lincoln, Ape Lincoln. He just is like repeating it almost obsessively. And then it does like the end shot is Ape Lincoln. And he just literally fell to his knees and screamed, damn you. Damn you, Burton. Damn you to hell. I've been in full.

You made the X. I've been in full movie theaters that have celebrated like something happening in a movie. It hasn't been as cathartic as those like 10 people who are like, Rick. It was an explosion. Mostly empty movie theater. My memory will live with me till the day I fucking die. So yeah, I'm not sure what Alex is trying to do, quite frankly.

I don't think that he's ventured too far into racist territory yet in condemning Joe's racism. Certainly there are some problems. I think he's dancing around ideas that he wants to make about like all of us look like apes and what have you because they're mutual descendants. That's what he would probably prefer to say as opposed to being like, we're all in that family or whatever. But he's he's both simultaneously trying to defend racism, excuse racism,

and condemn racism at the same time, right? Somewhat. It gets worse. And that's why I'm saying that this isn't that bad yet, even though it is bad. I'm saying that conditionally, because of where we're going to go. This next clip, Alex talks about going to a party where people were in black. No, no, no, no. The way he presents this party, I don't think I don't like you saying people

as a plural. Well, here's the thing. I don't think this party exists. This sounds like a lot of Alex's stories about going to places and right. There were three globalists in the hot tub. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the way he's presenting this seems to be like he got invited to a legit blackface party.

And I don't know why he showed up for that. I don't if that was the theme of the party. I don't know. So there's a lot of questions, but let's let him explain it and see if you buy his bullshit. I don't like the governor Northam. He's just killed babies after they're born. That's why I hate him. But what do you think went on in the South 25, 27, 30 years ago in Democrats?

Of course they dress up like that in 19. That's all they do. Yeah. Yeah. One time I got invited to a Halloween party and I showed up like 10 years ago and it was all white people dressed up like black people. They said, oh, it's just fun. We're having fun.

I said, I'm getting out of here, man, because I don't want to have some celebration thinking I'm better than somebody. Like I saw blacks making fun of white people. I see a bunch of damn racist. I'm sick of it. I believe in Martin Luther King. He was real. Yeah.

I believe in what people stand for. What they do is how they're judged. You're not a big fan of his son, though. Not off what color they are. And all this anti-white racism crap. I stand against it. But let me tell you, if I said what Joe said, he was all for my deplatforming before.

Now he's under the heat. He's like, well, leave Alex alone. Hey, fine. Great, Joe. I'm just letting you know something that I know you're not a racist. And I know you do comedy because you think it's funny. You're interracial jokes, which are true. Like the most interracial porn gets bought in the South

and some of your older jokes about, oh, look at that. But that white woman, oh, that's funny stuff, man. That doesn't sound like a good show. And I agree, comedy should be comedy. But the left wants to project racism on everything. And you want to cuddle up to it so feel what it's like, Joe. Yeah. That party didn't happen, by the way.

Also, he shows up for a Halloween party where all the white people are dressed up like black people. And he's like, I'm out of here. Yeah, that doesn't sound right at all. I don't believe that for a second. I think he was saying they were dressed up like the wrong kind of black people, like they were dressed up like civil rights leaders.

That's the only way. They're not even wearing blackface. They're just dressed like James. There's a name tag on that says Malcolm X. Yeah, exactly. Something like that. It was one of those things where you hold a card up over your head. You have to guess who you are.

And he was like, ah, I don't like that, Jackson. So Alex has some problems with this clip of Rogan that has come out. Sure, whatever. But I think in this next clip, he criticizes the wrong aspect about it, which is pretty much Alex's modus operandi. Well, they're apes, then.

How can we breed with them, Joe? And are you saying your daughter is an ape? Hey, man, it's you up on your sanctimonious eye orchard, bro. Quite frankly, I am like an ape. I can pull somebody's head off. I've got ape-like strength. I beat some big old black guys' asses, too, thought they could kick my ass.

They found out who the real ape was. I'm King Kong, baby. I'm not ashamed of my simian nature. But you can't sit there and pull crap like that and say crap like that in a glass house. I can't imagine a worse 30 seconds of analysis. So his high road is being more racist. Yeah, like very.

He's like, I'm going to take the high road on this one. I'm going to condemn your racism. I've beaten up black people and they found out who the real ape was. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Alex, your conception is like three stages deeper in racism. That's the most racist, you can say. Yeah. And like, if they're apes, how can we breed with them?

I don't understand. Alex, Alex, none of this is good. I really don't understand. Okay, this is me. I'm a very goal-oriented person. So when I have a goal, I try and achieve that goal. And when I'm trying to achieve that goal, I am also trying to not achieve that goal.

Yeah. You're about actionable steps towards whatever the desired outcomes. Yeah. I get Alex's idea is that my goal is to make Joe look like a racist. But at the same time, that's half of it. Right. I think another goal that he would be unwilling to admit is make Joe feel the pain that I feel.

But because I think that would present weakness on some level of like, I don't think anyone knows how hurt I am. That sort of thing. And I thought he was my friend. That sort of thing would be unmasculine for him. So he wouldn't allow him there. But I think that's part of his other goal. Yeah.

And at the same time, he's just like, I am trying to show that even though you have said some racist things in the past, I know you are not racist. Right. And you would not be pilloried the same way that I am for saying the racist things that I have said. See, you've said racist things. But at the same time, if your goal is to do that,

your goal should also be not to be more of a racist than it can be conceived of by Joe Rogan. See, that's the problem is like when you take in terms of scale, the thing that Rogan said definitely racist. Yeah. The things Alex is saying in response to it imply a much heavier racist. An insane amount of racism.

And also so much of Alex's other things he's said in the past as we've documented over and over and over again on this podcast are way more racist than Joe making a joke that is absolutely racist about a black movie theater being planted at the Apes. Right. But like Alex's career has so many highlights you could make. Oh, yeah. It is more funny that in the same conversation,

Alex is being worse than what that clip was. Yeah, exactly. No, it's like, hey, you know what, Joe, you said that stuff and that's racist stuff. And if I had said that stuff, people would hate me. But at the same time, whenever I say the n-word to n-words and they're all n-wording all the time. And you're like, Alex, that's no, no.

And also what makes it worse too is the part where he's saying like, I know that you're not racist. I know that you're joking. But I'm going to try and hurt you as if I believed you were racist. I want you to have whatever consequences there are of being racist. Even though I know you're not. I know all this is bullshit, but I'm going to make a spectacle of it because I want to hurt you.

That's a really good point. I mean, that's really what's underneath it, which is pathetic. Absolutely. Which would be pathetic. And I would love to have that as a tiny conversation. But because Alex spins into this like, look, I showed those black people who the real Apes were, like that sort of thing like, what the fuck, what are you doing?

Like it spins into like this, this crazy, like if that was all, I would be baffled. But then Alex takes another step and gets even more racist. Like if you thought that was bad, I thought that was terrible. How can it get worse than that? Well, because he starts to bring pseudoscience into it. Oh no. And I'm not some virtuous signaler here who's guilty to be white. White.

Being a Northern European, I am endowed. No. On average. Stop. With the highest IQ of any group of people on the planet. Stop right there. Put a period on that sentence now and just move on. Now that doesn't mean on a curve, Dr. McCamshaw, please.

You're still going. You know, on these bell curves, they do. You gotta stop. That doesn't mean that on average white people or Japanese are right up there. You gotta stop. Have the highest IQ. You gotta stop. It doesn't mean there aren't black people that are up there too.

It means on average, there are more Japanese and more whites that are on that curve. And people can say, well, or Russians or whoever you want to say, use it or say, well, that's the test. It doesn't matter. Where are people making spaceships in computers? I mean, I think it kind of matters where, you know, what the test is and that stuff, because it's what you're measuring. Now I want to say this really quick.

This is far too complicated of a topic for us to cover in depth right now. But please, everyone out there listening, take my word on this. Anyone who's making an argument that there are differences in IQ that are attributable to race is doing so to support white supremacy. They aren't having a, quote, exchange of dangerous ideas or any bullshit like that. They're rehashing long discredited theories that exist solely to give white people an excuse to never have to confront the social, cultural, and economic advantages they've enjoyed, which are built on the back of the social, cultural, and economic disadvantages

other populations have been subjected to. The primary function of thinking along these lines and these narratives that are perpetuated is to create the appearance of a scientific sounding way to blame marginalized communities for their own marginalization, pure and simple. Many of these ideas and their proponents are inspired by Charles Murray's 1994 book, The Bell Curve, which Alex even referenced by talking about the bell curbs. Which everyone should find. There's one book that everybody should light on fire and it's that one.

In that book, Murray completely misuses data to arrive at the, quote, near inescapable conclusion that differences seen between white and black IQ scores is the result of genetics. That book has been championed by the likes of Sam Harris, then his ilk, and the unfounded notion of racially causative differences in IQ has taken on a new life these days when there is no basis in science around that at all. There are racial differences and ethnic differences in IQ scores, but the idea of a causative property between them is a leap that is way too far to make.

It's deeply fucked up. And it's one of the weird things that you see it in all sorts of these, these intellectual dark web worlds. Like you see it with Sam Harris and his acolytes. These people like Dave Rubin have thrown these ideas around. So, uh, uh, Stefan Malinu makes a lot of mileage out of it, but it's not something that I've really heard Alex talk much about. And that is interesting to me.

And it's coming in the middle of a discussion of Rogan being a racist. And in the same way that the last time he went and sort of loaded off on Rogan, he did that project Camelot impression where he started doing like, you know, I would talk to you about how crazy things are. Isn't it trippy because he was trying to appeal to Rogan's audience. I think this is another attempt. This reference to the bell curve and race realism and this nonsense. I think it's an appeal to the listeners of Rogan's show

that are the Sam Harris acolytes. The people who are into this idea of like scientific racism, as opposed to emotional racism. And that to me is like, wow, you're, I mean, it's a good, he's telling on himself because he doesn't know this stuff. He doesn't know shit about this. He's presenting it to try and reel in the Roganites. That's, that's fucking don't, don't bring, don't bring science into this.

If you're just going to be just be a racist. I would much rather you be intellectually honest with yourself and just say, I don't like people who don't look like me, then try and pretend that there are genetic reasons that it's fuck off. Fuck you, especially for somebody who constantly says, Oh, we all bleed the same blood. Fuck you. Right.

Fuck you. It's a cow. How fucking dare you. It's a cowardly way to couch whatever point you want to make. And I do agree with you to some extent, although I think I don't think it would be any better. But yeah, if you were just like, I am uncomfortable with people who look different. Yeah.

The only reason that that's better is that then you could deal with the actual issue. Exactly. Whereas when you hide behind these sorts of like over intellectualized and pseudoscientific ideas, you end up having to have conversations that are pedantic and mean nothing. And they rely on misusing studies over years and stuff like that. You get caught down in the weeds so much that you'll never end up getting to the point where you can make progress towards what is underlying it for a person. No, it's the new way of using the Bible to justify slavery.

Me like the God said that slaves should be slaves. Science says that black people are dumber than white people. So everything is fine. Everything is fine. Don't even think about it. Don't question it. God said it. Everything's fine.

What you just touched on is even the bigger issue is that like a lot of these people and these these these sort of race IQ science communities, they use these ideas in order to say like public policy doesn't really matter. Exactly. Who gives a shit? Because these communities and these populations are just intrinsically dumber. It doesn't matter if you give resources towards those communities for school and after school

programs and stuff like that. Right. It doesn't matter. You're not going to make a blip in the radar because they are intrinsically worse, which is a function of white supremacy. The whole point. The whole point you fucking nailed it is to say let's not worry about putting resources into Englewood.

Right. Black people are too dumb to even use those resources. It's just it's just it pulls on a swine or whatever. It's not me saying that. It's not me being racist. It's science saying that Englewood doesn't deserve resources. And so let's all just go away. No, no, no.

No, we're great people. They deserve the resources. Exactly. No, no, no. We want them to have them, but we don't want to lose them because that takes that takes away from those super high IQ white kids who really could use those. Right. Fuck you.

There's a there. Go fuck yourself. This is a very, very complicated issue in terms of the reality of it. But I think the things that we've expressed have been the the important points for a podcast like this. Yeah. You want to get more into it? Go ahead and dive into some of the research.

This is why I'm not invited to any public policy on school debates. Nobody's nobody's asking me like, hey, Jordan, how about you go participate in this debate about school and charter schools and all that shit? And I just be like, go fuck yourself. So nice. So in that last clip, though, Alex is saying that white Europeans have higher IQ. He's gifted because of being a European with a higher IQ.

But then he makes the caveat of like Japanese people. That's white people's favorite thing to do is be like, see, they're yellow. That's different. But fuck you when you're being even more racist. None of that really even matches up with IQ scores. It's like Ashkenazi Jews are are much higher. Sure. It's like a population.

Great. It's not meaningful. Yeah. It doesn't mean anything. It means they scored higher on the test. Fine. But great. But be that as it may, like the issue is that Alex is bringing up these like this idea

that because he is a white European, he is gifted with this higher intelligence. And Japanese people are also in the mix up there. But then Alex starts talking. Well, they make our phones. Alex starts talking in this next clip about why from way, no, way back. From way back. Really bad idea. Why the people in his sort of ethnic milieu have higher IQs.

And it's a problem. It's a problem because what he describes as the reason these Europeans have higher IQs from a evolutionary perspective. Try and apply that to the Japanese people. He also thinks have IQs and it falls apart. It falls apart completely. But listen to the clip before you respond, please. I know you're chomping at the bit.

I'm sorry, but please. But that isn't meaning then we hate black people because there are black people. Statistically, they're as smart as anybody on the planet. It means on average. Whites have the highest IQ on average. Well, you better have an IQ. If you were spending hundreds of thousands of years in frozen wasteland at the top of the planet because if you went to bed, if you got back in your cave 10 minutes too late,

you were dead in a doornail in Africa and other areas in the equatorial regions. It was about how strong you were, how fast you were, how cunning you were. It's not about long term strategic thinking. So when I sit here and I criticize Joe for calling black people apes, dude, we are apes. And I know you know that. It doesn't mean we're not divine and God made us an image and other things. The point is, is that you get away with that when it's not even accurate

and people don't call you on that. But at the same time, then let's not hate white people. Let's thank white people for electricity and airplanes and medicine. Wipe out. Isn't it funny that that's a troll at the board? White people are smarter because it was cold, man. Which fails to, that's it. Which fails to take into account the Japanese at all.

And also that's a really terrible like anthropological racist argument. Like I don't, I don't fully understand exactly what that's trying to put forth. But like, so the idea of like you have to get home at a certain time when you're free, freeze to death, therefore intelligence evolves. But he also is saying that in Africa and around the equator, you had to have cunning, which is to me a form of intelligence. Well, I think I also think that strategically in order to deal with any element, like just because you're like, oh, the cold will kill you.

Hot will kill you. Or the animals. But there are a lot more cold deaths than there are hot. We learned that we learned that. Yes. I mean, that's just patently. I mean, that's like, that's a, it's a, it's a bad argument. It's what they, it's deeply, deeply anthropologically racist.

Cunning, cunning is the very racist way that people. It's dismissive. It's, well, and it's not just that, but it's the way that they describe a, you know, like, oh, oh, LeBron James isn't very smart. Right. But he's really good at basketball because he's cunning. Right. It's not that he has a fucking photogenic memory and can recall individual possessions

like a goddamn fucking savant. It's the code word. No, it's his cunning. Yeah. He's very articulate, Dan. It's not that he's smart. It's that he knows how to talk like us. Like, go fucking fuck yourself.

It's the code word to describe intelligence and people that you don't want to describe intelligence. These sorts of arguments have always been used that way. They always have been, and today they are being used the same way. They're recycled. And it's, it's gross. It's, it's incredibly gross. Now at the end of that clip, Alex says that we should thank white people. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not on board with that.

He says three specific examples and it's hilarious that he's saying this over wipe out because none of them are attributable to white people. He's going to break and it's awesome. It's so awesome because that would be terrible in the middle of the show. I think about this a lot. The way he goes out to break is always so triumphant, but whatever he's saying, if it was in the middle, like he had to do five more minutes, it would be like, I have nowhere to go. He's so famous for his screaming of stuff, but really if you listen to a show on a regular

basis, most of the time he yells things is when he knows there's a hard break. Right. So he does that performatively in order to rile people up and do all that shit when he knows like, I can take a breather, have a shot of whiskey or whatever. It's like Howard Dean at the end of a sentence. Yeah. So the three things he chooses to talk about that people, white people need to be thanked for are electricity, airplanes and medicine.

Now let's look at those things one by one and see what the real history behind them is. I was, I was about to start talking shit too. I'm glad you researched it. Electricity may have been developed and harnessed by largely European scientists, but there also is a theory out there that between the times of 650 to 150 BCE, the people living in what's now Iraq had knowledge of electroplating as evidenced by the archaeological find called the Baghdad battery. People are kind of split on the hypothesis, but there's a lot of controversy about this

and people who have opinions on it are very split about the hypothesis of what that artifact was actually used for and whether or not it was actually even a battery. So honestly, Europeans may be able to take credit for most of the electricity science, but that may be true. Although there are also cultures who the word for lightning is exactly the same thing as the word for electric eel. So there was kind of an understanding of the nature of electricity to some extent, but that doesn't mean that there were steps made to harness it.

Yeah. Also, spoiler alert, in 2003 when the invasion of Iraq happened, the Baghdad battery was stolen from the National Museum and hasn't been found since. And because of the 16 years of pretty much consistent war that's been going on there, there's a really decent chance that whatever progress could be made towards finding other evidence to reinforce that theory or anything like that is probably impossible. I don't understand. So we'll never actually know.

You're saying that white people came into a place and took all of their... We'll never actually know. That's crazy. The reality of that. Colonialism and that. And I will say that from looking into it, I think it's very interesting the possibility that that was a battery. Yeah.

But it's also possible that that hypothesis is entirely wrong and it's just the circumstance of finding various pieces next to each other. Right, right, right. It's entirely possible. Entirely possible. Entirely possible. The accepted version of the reality that Alex is operating under is that like for aviation is that one day the Wright brothers got a crazy idea that we should fly and then created the

technology out of whole cloth. Unfortunately, that is not accurate at all. Legends of people flying go way back, but probably don't depict reality. For instance, like Icarus probably didn't actually have wax wings or anything like that. And Diedalus didn't do all the shit he did. However, the concepts involved in the development of aviation go back a long way and their roots are not in the West. In China in the 5th century BCE, Luban, excuse me, and Modi invented the kite.

And immediately after that fact, after that development began finding interesting applications for the new technology. There are contemporary reports that some kites were able to lift men into the air. But the first manned flight ever occurred in China in 559 AD using kite technology. The idea for many of the elements that would allow the creation of the helicopter were directly taken from a bamboo rotor device that was invented in China in 400 BCE. The underlying technology for hot air balloons is similarly understood by the Chinese dating back to as far back as the third century BCE.

Much of the advances made later in terms of aviation were built on the things that the Chinese had invented in the long distant past, but never took the logical destructive end point that these technologies could have. Which I don't know if they could have developed a way to make planes. Maybe they could have. Also, possibly maybe they weren't interested. You know, maybe not. They developed all of the underlying technology thousands years back.

No, no. So that one isn't great. White folk. It's basically just these people who were the grandfathers of aviation using long discovered techniques and principles that were invented by the Chinese thousands of years ago. Medicine is the worst thing for Alex to give Europeans credit for inventing. I'm guessing he's just talking about like deciding that Hippocrates was white and then assuming that it goes back to him.

That's what I'm guessing. I'm guessing that's what it was. I assumed that he was talking about vaccinations and he hates vaccinations. No, I mean, now I can't find penicillin. I assumed he was talking about penicillin when in reality that was Jonas Salk. Yeah. In reality, that was him looking at so many Middle Eastern people. Totally, totally.

Fucking doing it right. Yeah. That's what we're about to get to. Okay. I was wondering. Yep. Yeah. Okay.

Not necessarily in terms of Salk. I think that Alex just knows about the Hippocratic oath. It's like, hey, this guy is in Greece. He came up with the oath. It's got to be where it started. Yeah, sure. Sure. The idea of herbal medicine dates back to like well into the 2000s BCE when Egyptians clearly

had physicians working in the palaces. Hammurabi's code, which dates back to 1800 BCE, discusses prices surgeons can charge and even explicitly discusses the idea of malpractice. As he put it though, surgeons can charge an eye for an eye. Sure. Many, many papyri from Egypt from 3,000 years ago discuss the practice of medicine. In the 800s AD Persian scientist Ali ibn Shal Raban al-Tabari wrote the world's first. Great names back then.

The world's first encyclopedia of medicine. In 1020, Ammar ibn Ali al-Maswali performed the world's first successful eye surgery. We could go on and on, listening to the non-white, non-western influences in the development of medicine and medical practice, but it would take all day. The way we've arrived here, where we are today in terms of medicine is a process, and the entire world has been a part of it. And to selectively erase non-white elements of that history is by definition, a product of white supremacist thinking.

So the larger point here is that white people, or the West, has been responsible for a ton of great innovations and inventions over the span of our history. But in no way do non-white and non-western people need to thank them for it. This is a profoundly fucked up way to look at the world, as if Alex somehow deserves credit for someone who shares his skin pigment doing something a thousand years in the past. I'd like to propose a healthier way to look at things, and that is to honor and celebrate the people from all cultures across the world, who have helped lead us to where we are today in terms of our understanding of the world,

and our mastery over flight, and the elements. Because I think that's a better way to look at things. We've all shared in this history some of the things that the Islamic world did have helped create stones upon which the Western world could use as staircases up. And as we all know, if it weren't for Aang, we wouldn't have control over the elements. I'm guessing that's Dragon Ball Z reference. No, god damn it. Airbender?

Airbender. Okay. Got it on my second shot. So, but like there is a collaborative effort. Aang and Katara, of course. There's a collaborative effort that goes on, and the idea of ascribing any history of like, these fucking browns should thank all of us white people for planes and medicine. It's just, it's disrespectful to the people who are instrumental in creating the reality that we

have now. Like if you just want to pretend that the people who created the jet engine did it out of nowhere, then what you're doing is erasing everything that came before it. Right. And in doing that, you're erasing the contributions of largely non-white people. And that is white supremacy. That is plain and simple. There's no way around that.

Absolutely. And that is what Alex expresses as his vision of history. Well, the idea of invention is so infuriatingly associated with like a person. It's oversimplified. It's never just like, it took thousands of years and thousands of people working on it, and people finding some random thing in some, like when the library of Alexandria went down. It's like, oh. Library of Alexandria.

Cool, man. Yeah, nice, nice. Like the collected knowledge of the world just destroyed itself. Like we have no idea how much was invented prior to so many, let's call them destructive acts by white people. You know, like how many times can you think of something where it's like, oh, a bunch of white people came and destroyed the history of the world. And then they were like, yeah, but we invented that like, fuck you.

And even understanding that, that isn't to say that white people are intrinsically bad. It's to say that these things, these impulses in any people is bad. Exactly. Yeah. In the same way that like it wasn't white people who looted these museums in Iraq when, you know, the Baghdad battery is now lost. Right, right, right, right. It is a looting impulse.

Now granted, they were doing that in response to an invasion. Like we gave them, we gave them the opportunity. Other cultures have, like other non-white cultures have also done that to other cultures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The history of like warring states and stuff like that. Human history is garbage acts by men. Right. That's, that's what it really is.

Well, because men are the only ones who are able to protect. They're the ones who protect this culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not the ones who fucking destroy it every chance they fucking get. It's profoundly reductive to look at the world in such a way as to say like, this person invented this. I agree with that. Because there are so few inventions in the world or even breakthroughs or innovations

that are really attributable to a single person. To a guy. It's always someone standing on the shoulders of not giants, but others. And even like, when you talk about like the library of Alexandria and what we could have lost there and stuff like that, that's like a, you know, that puts your mind into a place of like, what successes did we lose? And what I'm more interested in on some level is the erasure of failures because a lot of the things that have contributed to like our ability to fly, our ability to have a coherent medical

system, even electricity is people doing failed experiments that led people away. To not do that shit. Yeah, yeah. Or whatever. And that too is an important part of the process of getting where us where we are. 02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:12,160 And those people are fucking forgotten even to most of legitimate history.

Right, right, right. You know, which is also sad. But. And the failures of people who are remembered are often forgotten. Like when you talk about Magellan and that kind of shit, like he had pictures of people that he thought were in Africa who didn't have heads, but instead had faces on their fucking torsos. Yeah.

And they had legs for hands. Like this dude was fucking full of shit. Right. You know? Inspired by fanciful ideas that he had that weren't reality. 02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:44,000 And then colored his picture of the real world. All I'm getting at is I hear stuff like that and it really bums me out.

It really bums me out because in the same way, like I'm interested in this because it's also completely unintentional. But just the way the episode is being bookended is these like at the beginning of the episode, he's erasing the history of female politicians in the Arab and Islamic world. Yeah. And that's offensive and disgusting because it's presenting a worldview where Muslims are all savages and they hate women and would never vote for that sort of thing. And that's disgraceful and completely Islamophobic and counterproductive towards all of us working

for it. And then we come to the end of the episode and he's saying that white people need to be thanked for these things that they've brought the world. And you look at the actual history of all this. And when you deal with it on a more realistic basis, he's doing the exact same thing. He's erasing all contributions of these other cultures that he doesn't deem worthy. And what are you going to say back to him? Like, oh, well, then you should thank the Muslim world for inventing the concept of zero.

Like, fuck you. Right. There's no, if you're going to pretend to thank white people for shit, then you have to thank everybody for shit. It's a zigzag that's never going to end. You're always just going to go back to, like, well, who came up? And then when you do that, if you do that, all you got to do is thank the Chinese then. Yeah, exactly.

Well, as a person of Irish descent, the Chinese invented whiskey. So there you go. Well, if you go back just in terms of cultures that are still around that innovated so many of the really basic things, you come down to like India and China being so pivotal. Yeah. There are so many. There are other cultures. Absolutely.

Especially like Mesoamerica, like the Inca and Aztecs and stuff like that. They came up with a whole lot of other stuff too. They had plumbing, man. Yeah. It's insane. But like there are places in 300 BC in Central America that I would rather live in than 1500 A.D. in Europe, you know? Or my apartment in 2019.

Nice. But like, yeah, if you play that game, what you're going to end up with is something that Alex doesn't want to wrestle with, which is that it isn't Western white cultures that created the building blocks that led to the innovations that the Western wet countries did. And I only think that understanding that can help us all understand the world better. It doesn't demonize white people. It doesn't take anything away from the innovations that white Western cultures did. It only builds a more robust understanding of how we're all in this together and your

idea informs this person's idea and their innovation on your idea helps you come up with a better idea later. It's a collaborative effort. All of us. Then go back to the IQ test. Like your IQ test wouldn't even fucking exist if all of this other shit hadn't happened that were that were breakers made by white non white cultures. You're probably you're probably right on that.

The idea of mathematics wasn't created by white cultures. And it's a part of IQ tests. Here we go. Like fuck you. What are you talking about? So you got one more clip. Um, and what it is, is like Alex talks to Leo Zagami for a bunch. I'm not interested in.

Hey, hey, come on. Alex cannot see through a fucking liar with an accent. And it's just nuts. Can can any of us though? Yeah, I can. I'll listen to words. Ah, Trey Maul. I translated that for you.

I think I can. I've met some real shitheads. Yeah, accents. And I've been like, I'm going to stay away from this person. I have in my time doing stand up and stuff like that. Oh yeah, for sure. I don't need to defend myself. I met a guy who's Australian.

Fuck that guy. Yeah. How is it? Full stop. Well done. End of the story. All right. No need for more.

So he talks to Leo Zagami about the, the shit that's going on in the Vatican and what have you and I don't really give a shit. I honestly turned it off. And the pope is killing everybody. I turned it off like five minutes into the interview because I'm like, I hate, I hate this. Yeah. And I don't care.

Whatever they're going to come up with, like whatever lie, like let's imagine the most sensational lie Alex can come up with about the pope and the Vatican with Leo Zagami. It's probably not as bad as what the pope and the Vatican have actually done. Maybe. And also I don't give a shit. You know, like I don't, I'm not going to, we're already almost three hours into this episode. I was like, I don't, I don't care. It can only be a rehashing of the things that the two of them have already said on the show.

Yeah, absolutely. Whatever. Good point. I don't point. Good point. But Alex does talk in this next clip, which is the last clip about how they're, I believe he says that four out of five Catholic priests are gay. Now pay attention to that.

Is that, was that from the latest Rasmussen poll? Pay attention to that because that's 15% more democratic than. Pay attention to that because at the end of the clip, he cites a source. Oh no. And it might say something different. You don't, you, anytime he cites a source, you get, you get a very, very intense look on your face. But I didn't look into this because it's self contradictory. But also along the way, pay close attention to his language because this is, what is it?

It is 45 seconds long and Alex, I hate that I keep using this expression. He tells on himself so hard. He just points the finger at himself in a way that he thinks he's being, magnanimous and super accepting of everybody. And it's so fucked up. Four out of five Catholic priests are gay. Also the homosexuals make up 3% of the population. And I don't hate anybody.

I don't judge anybody. Okay. I've been on the earth 45 years. I've seen some things. I've done some things. I'm not judging anybody. Because you are. I mean, I've, I've paid for abortions back when I was a teenager and I repented to God

for it and been fighting ever since. I've, I've killed my children. I think on a scale of one to 10, that's like a seven, you know, two dudes together is like a three. I'm not judging anybody, but I'm telling you. You literally put a numbered scale on it. And what's wrong is important. So he literally put a numbered scale on the thing he says. He's not judging people for.

You can't have a scale without also having a judgment. Yep. That's literally the definition of the word. He's literally saying that two dudes together is a three on the immoral scale between one and 10. Which is a judgment value. Incredibly fucked up. I'm not judging anybody. I'm cool.

I'm super hip. I have aborted my children. When I was a teenager, I paid for abortions. That's a seven on the scale, which in his definition is like legit, straight up murder. Right. Like the way that he, the way he demonizes women who make that choice, that is a 10. By the way, which subjects him to all of the punishments that he subjects others,

that he believes others should be subjected to. Now it's a seven. So he should be fucked. So if he wants to pull that shit, then fine. It's a seven because he's a man. Then let's do it. Let's do it all across the board. Alex, you are doing 20 years hard time now.

That's the rule. If you're going to pull your bullshit, then fine. Subject yourself to the same judgment that you think those people should be subjected to. God forgave him. It's all good. You admitted it. It's all good.

God forgive him. You pleaded guilty to the crime that you are saying other people should be killed for. He's back in his teens. Statue of limitations. Fine. There's no, what? I don't know. For murder?

No, I guess not. Yeah. Look dude, that's so crazy to me because it's like this. It's a seven. That's seven, which to me, it seems low for his conception of what abortion should be. He screams about it all the fucking time. It seems like it should be at least a nine. Maybe 10 would be, it's got to be something to do with the devil,

but he thinks the devil's involved in abortion too. So it's so great. What is a 10 if aborting your children, which he thinks is murder, is a seven? What the fuck is a 10? I, but then to say that three is two dudes together, which by the way is also like, he's not even considering lesbians or anything like that. Because it's all just about like how disgusted he is about the idea of men on men. Yeah, I know.

Like what's your scale there? So I also want to apologize. I cut that clip a little bit too early. Immediately after this, Alex starts reading a London Times article. And the article's headline says one in four Catholic priests is gay or one in five. Yeah. And so it's the exact. So he inverts it.

Yeah. Four in five. Yeah. Okay. And he, he reads the headline and then never acknowledges that he said the exact opposite. Right. In the triumphant swelling music intro to this thing. Then he talks to the Ozagami.

It's a bunch of bullshit. So we've come to the end of this episode and I don't know. I, I find this hard to do, but I also think it's necessary. I'm in this real in between place with Alex Jones in the present because in terms of like, I think he probably should be thrown off the air, which is the exact opposite position I expressed in the first episode of this podcast. Yeah. I'm there.

Yeah. Because I do think that what we saw on the 11th on Monday's episode that we covered, he's perpetuating a language and a worldview that is tacitly giving permission to his audience to choose your spots. Yeah. Which is kill people when you think the time is right. You'll know it when you see it. That sort of thing.

That sort of lackadaisical like, like the Supreme Court porn definition. I know. I know what I'm saying. That sort of thing. That's not okay when people are asking, when is it the time to kill? It's also not okay if you're the Supreme Court. No, but it's worse when the question from a caller is when is it time to kill? The question from a caller who has a military background.

Yep. Who is in people's houses. Who is expressing the idea that he is in other people's houses who clearly is unstable. Yeah. Who is looking for any and every excuse to do what he wants to do. He's calling and asking, daddy, give me the high sign. Exactly. Give me the sign and let's go.

I just want a green light. Just give me a green light. Just one green light. And if you're a responsible human and someone asks you that, even if you're Alex Jones, the response of that has to be not, you'll know it when you see it. It has to be something prohibitive. It has to be something like, don't shoot till you see the whites in your eyes. And I'm saying that is the worst possible response.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it would at least harken back to some sort of weird revolutionary war mythology. You could joke it off as being like, oh, hey, see, it's a reference to then. And hang up on them and move on. Yeah. And the point is like, oh, it's because they're so close to you that you can't help but do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And so I hate this. And I honestly think that there's no reason this is allowed to keep going. Like I don't, I do think that we're at a point where we're past the point where this, like I don't, I don't know the laws in terms of like exactly where free speech is protected. Like I really don't, but I feel spiritually we're past it. And it's very difficult for me to keep listening to it past this point because there's this trivial nonsense. Like, oh, he's reporting on this Zoros article that's really just him reading a Sputnik article.

Something like that. When the day before he's doing shit like that, I don't know what to do with this. Beyond that, it's very difficult for me because like we have this now, Trump is going to declare the state of emergency and that's going to create a new whirlwind of bullshit and what have you. At the same time, in the Sandy Hook lawsuit that Alex is in, it just came out that the judge has decided that Alex will have to be deposed for a five hour session with the lawyers.

And that's going to be a complete disaster for him. So I honestly think that like in ways that he has not been subjected to in the past when he's defamed people like Hamdi Ulaqai or James Alophontes, he is cruising for a bruising. Like he's, he's on a path towards this could actually hurt him. Yeah. So there's some part of me that thinks we have a responsibility to now cover this as it happens because there's a decent chance a massive downward spiral is

happening real soon. And I feel that pressure. It sucks because also at the same time, absent that pressure, I think he's behaving in a way that the show shouldn't exist. Yeah. That's, that's, I think the, the question is not that everybody doesn't agree with you. Do you know what I mean? Like everybody agrees broadly, probably that Alex's show as it is now should not exist. The problem with taking it to a court system is you don't know how the court is going to rule.

So it makes more sense to not rule on this and then have the threat of a court action be available to you than have a court rule on this against you. Because if the court listen to, if the Supreme Court listens to this whole thing and says, actually this is protected speech, then we don't know where the line, we don't know where the line stops. Because it seems like this line, no, that's, but that's, that's kind of what I'm saying is like, I would rather live in a world where a broad spectrum of people agree that this is bad. And we don't take it to the courts and we kind of handle this ourselves.

Whereas I don't want to live in a world where a broad spectrum of people agree that this is bad. We take it to the courts. They say that this is fine. And then we're in uncharted territory as to what isn't fine. Or the flip side of that, you take it to the courts and then a precedent that could become encroaching is set where like, you know, other people's like ambiguous speech becomes suspect. Just because Alex is like legitimately telling people, time's coming. You'll know when you see that sort of as important as the first rather air on the

side of allowing Alex to say things like this and us talk about it. And everyone understand the danger of it. Then legislate. This is, this should not happen. Exactly. It's, it's, it's a strange place wherein it's important to have the concept of free speech be enshrined while at the same time have the ambiguity of what it is enshrined as a fundamental concept of it.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway, um, this has been our show. This has been our show. I don't, I don't know how to sum any of this up other than this show sucks. This dude's racist. Yeah. He's very, very, and it's so fun when you see, not fun, but when you see like racism

masqueraded as like anti-racism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's real fun. No, you're bad. The veneer is so thin. Yeah.

When, especially with this Rogan shit, it's like anyone else could make this argument quite well. You can't. Nope. You decided to. Yep. Bad move. Uh huh.

Um, so we'll be back on Monday, uh, probably with another modern day episode, because I am super interested in finding out what happens with this. We'll see how it goes. But we will see. But until then we have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. And indeed we do. Do we have a Twitter page?

We do. It's knowledge underscore fight. Uh, oh, did we think the hysteria 51 guys? We did not. And I don't think we did. Failing on our part. Yeah. Thank you very much to the hysteria 51 podcast who added us on.

Brent and Joe and uh. Absolutely fun. John. Yeah. John and Joe. Fantastic. Yeah. We had a great time.

Yeah. It was a fun time over there. We appreciate, uh, people. And, uh, also I did another, uh, uh, podcast that's going to be coming out soon. Uh, I can't remember the name of that. You did it without me. Yeah. But it was a very nice time.

I appreciate it. You did it without me. Well, look, scheduling is so fucking hard. No, no, no, you're in higher demand. I get it. That's not the case. Oh, I'm just a comedian. I would say that about 15 minutes of the interview was talking about how great you are.

So wait till that comes out and then you can throw you son of a bitch. But we would do any podcast or any interview that isn't a, uh, like, uh, crypto Nazi podcast or anything like that. And we try not to do this. Any invitation, uh, if you guys want us to come on your show, scheduling both of us together is difficult, but not impossible. Tough, but not impossible. We can do it if you'd like us to come, uh, have a little conversation.

We are more than willing, uh, and we appreciate everyone who has asked. If you want to have a conversation though, the best place to have a conversation with both us and our fans is at our Facebook group. Yeah. Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant, uh, fun times over there. You can find us on itunes. You can find us on Lib sign. You can go to overcast, which is my new, I know, I know, but anyways,

I'm trying to plug overcast cause I'm sick. I, I apple owning everything. So yeah, go find us on overcast. There are so many aggregators that we're on that we just don't even know about. Absolutely. No one, no one is asked and I haven't known. Yep. Um, anyway, so as we go through this, uh, I would say that

Who are our cast of characters today? It's mostly just been Alex being a racist. I would say that representative Omar, the guy who's former Air Force origin, Ilan Omar hasn't killed anybody. She has not killed anybody and is a fucking great person and has stood up to someone who is responsible for tons of murders, millions of murder. Tertiary, at least responsible for a lot of fucking bullshit. But she hasn't killed anybody.

But one guy who has, who technically probably is Alex Jones. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. They believe I may have the most perfect.