Knowledge Fight - #268: December 17-18, 2012

Episode Date: February 25, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan continue looking into how Alex Jones covered the tragedy that occurred at Sandy Hook in the days immediately following. In this installment, the gents see a solidifying of Alex's "this is all about my guns" mentality, but also the beginning of a troubling drift toward finding ways to sensationalize things that everyone knows will not end well.

Andy and Chanzos, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan. Dan. Jordan. What type of bird would you be if you were, if you had to be a bird? I feel like it would be wrong of me to say anything other than cardinal, seeing as I'm from Missouri. I love our baseball there. You know, all my friends are big red birds fans. Yeah.

So I should probably say cardinal. You should probably say cardinal. But then I could piss everybody off in Missouri by saying Oriole or Blue J. Do people in Missouri care about Baltimore and Toronto? I'm not sure they do. I just think of other baseball teams that are birds. I don't know. I mean, I just, I don't want to be a bird. So I choose a cardinal just because that seems like there's an other consideration. You don't want to be a bird.

Fuck no. You've never wanted to fly. No, birds are dumb, flying to windows all the time and stuff. It seems like you're not a very fun life. See now we've learned a lot about you. Well, it just, I also don't like seeds all that much. Like sunflower seeds don't charm me. It's like whatever they eat and like suet looks gross.

You are not focusing on the positives of being a bird. You can fly, fine, whoopty shit. Come on, the skies are yours. Yeah, but you got to eat seeds. And the flying is clearly too much of a risk. You run into things all the time. You got to take risks to live a rich full life dad. Okay, fair enough.

When I used to work at the Walgreens over on Western. Yeah. It was some of the worst times of my life here in Chicago. I had just moved to town. Everything was going bad. No, standup was not going well. The job sucked. I was miserable, but I couldn't leave it because I needed, you know, to pay rent and stuff.

And so one day I'm out on a smoke break and I'm in front of the, the, the store smoking a cigarette and a bird falls out of the sky in front of me dead. It was at that moment. I realized I did not want to be a bird. I don't want to work at Walgreens anymore. That is, that is exactly when, when Bernie was given that big speech and the bird landed on the podium and just kind of hung out there and everyone was like, oh my God, if a bird had just suddenly fallen and died, we all would be like, no, this birdie guy isn't for us.

It really was like a, it was like someone was writing a story. Yeah. I'm depressed. I'm having a real bad time for even birds are dying when they get around how sad your life is. No good. So I don't want to be a bird. Okay. All right.

But I do want to know more about Alex Jones as I mean, I already know quite a bit. Yeah. And I only know what you tell me. So I need you to learn more in order for me to learn more. And that's what this show is about. Jordan, we got an interesting episode to go over today. But before we get to that, I need to give a shout out to a couple of new people who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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Oh man. We are continuing the investigation into what happened in Alex Jones's coverage after Sandy Hook. And I know that this is three episodes in a row. We haven't done three episodes in the same year in a row in a year. Yeah, it's a little wild. But one of the reasons it has been three episodes in a row is we're getting into the investigation.

I think it's important for us to find our feet. You know, find our base before we have breaks in between the episodes where we're developing the themes and we're learning more. We need to get our, you know, groundstone in place. Currently all our base belong to them. Right. Now that is not to say that we will only be doing, you know, it's not like the next five, ten episodes are all going to be Sandy Hook

investigation episodes. But for now, it, you know, I don't know what I'm trying to say, but you know, it's three in a row. Three in a row. Is that what, that was all you were trying to say, isn't it? Three in a row. I guess there was a lot more to go on. Felt like I had a point and then they started talking and I didn't.

That's what happened. Happened sometimes. That does happen sometimes. So today, Jordan, we're going to be going over December 17th and 18th. Last we left off, we covered the Sunday show on the 16th and Alex was, it seemed like he had found his moral center and that was defending guns. Right. And now we have the Monday show.

So it's back to the regular week and you wonder if that's going to change anything, if that's going to have a different feel than his Sunday show. And I'll say a lot of it is still just about defending guns. Yeah, I, I'm not surprised by that. I'm not surprised that anytime there's a threat to guns, he's going to spend the next week being like, oh, it's every, people get killed all the time by knives and shit, man. But there are some interesting developments that go along the way, some

interesting pieces of his rhetoric that enter the conversation that haven't so much in the past. And it's interesting because it, this gave me an opportunity to look into them a little bit more. And his first clip is actually a great example of that. Alex trying to reinforce his insinuation that the government probably did Sandy Hook without full throatedly saying it. Okay.

It, as we've heard so far, he's compared it to all these other things that he believes are fake, whether it's the Aurora shooting, whether it's Kaczynski, that sort of stuff. And now he pulls up an interesting piece of history to bring it to the conversation. There are some government operations where they've been caught red-handed staging mass shootings, especially in Europe, where our own government staged them via Operation Gladio and the NATO option.

That has been declassified. That program went on from the 50s into the 1980s, including mass shootings at schools, train stations, blowing up school buses, shooting up school buses, and was used to take guns all over Europe. And it has been declassified partially by the US, completely by the Italians, that it was staged to take the liberties and disarm the people. It sounds like an episode of hate. So this could be an Operation Gladio op.

Could have been. Operation Ajax was mass shootings to take the guns in Iran. In 1953, our government with the British shot up a bunch of Mosque and then paid the Muslim leadership to call for gun confiscation. So there's been a lot of different things that have happened. This Fitch thing, the MO of it, you have a mass guy come in, shoot the people, they exfiltrate, and then of course you have the drugged up Patsy, you shoot in the head.

So you can kind of get the sense of what he's trying to insinuate with this talk of Operation Gladio and Operation Ajax. Nobody ever brings up Operation Sejak though, because it's very random. It is. Yeah, you just go around the wheel. You never know. Never know. You never know bankrupt playing that operation.

Absolutely. So whenever Alex wants to suggest something, some kind of tragedy is fake and he needs to prove that what he's saying isn't ludicrous. There's, if you just want to like not have any real defensibility, he can point to his Aurora shooting narrative and stuff like that. And that's good enough for most of the time. But when he needs to appear like he's not being crazy, he'll inevitably bring up Operation Gladio and with less regularity, Operation Ajax.

Both of these were ops that were clandestine operations that the government was involved in to an extent. They're both fucked up pieces of our history, but if you take a closer look at them, you'll see that neither of them really help reinforce the point that he's trying to make, namely that the United States government is perfectly fine with killing their own civilians in order to take Alex's guns. Operation Gladio refers to the stay behind networks that were put in

place in countries throughout Europe after World War two. The reasoning for creating these secret units was obviously that they were worried about the Soviet Union and their Warsaw packed allies invading and having people in place in the country to countries involved to deal with that possibility was deemed preferable to having large standing armies or doing what they were doing previous to like in World War two, having these people who were allied with the cause of fighting against the Soviet Union, but it was so disorganized that they would

rely on like late night supply drops and fractured communication. Okay. Among people. Yeah. So they deemed that setting up these cells of people right in secret operation were the best way to do it. I don't know. So was was this also part of Operation Dumbo drop?

It's similar, but without elephants different. Okay. I'm intentionally not going to take a stance on their choice, neither for or against it because I'm not really sure that I can say that I'm an expert on the factors that led to these countries choosing that path and to pretend that I am would be dishonest to you and to our listeners. Right. That being said, there are a lot of claims about Operation Gladio that

are accepted and repeated in conspiracy circles that are not reflective of established fact, but based solely on assumptions. One of these is that the CIA was involved in Gladio. Another is that the stay behind networks in these countries committed false flag terror events in order to achieve their political goals. The basic idea here is that these groups were created to fight back against the threat of the invasion from the Soviet Union that never came to exist.

So in order to proceed with the agenda that they were created to push the appearance of that threat needed to be created. And thus these groups began fake terror attacks to blame their political enemies to so to create the perception of Soviet infiltration or whatever. They would commit these acts that they would blame on Soviet forces or communists. Right. Right.

So the stay behind networks did in fact do that. That is what the conspiracy world believes. But we do not know for a fact they did that. No, a lot of this interpretation comes from a 2004 book by Daniel Ganser called NATO secret armies, Operation Gladio and terrorism in Western Europe. I'm almost certain that this is where Alex is getting his ideas about Gladio from because his version of it and the one espoused in the book

match almost perfectly. The bad news about Ganser's book is that it isn't really so much a book that contains documented history as much as it is a book full of misused true information mixed up with unfounded assumptions and rumor. Olav Rist of the Norwegian Institute for Defense Studies was a researcher on the topic of Norway during the Cold War and he dug up some information about the actions of stay behind networks in his home country.

His information is used in Ganser's book and even cited in the bibliography. Olav found that his primary research was being completely misrepresented by Ganser saying quote a detailed refutation of the many unfounded allegations that Ganser accepts as historical findings would fill an entire book. Other reviews of his book followed similar patterns. Hayden Peek an expert who's frequently published in journals regarding intelligence and operations took a little bit of a stronger

tone than Olav quote proof is a problem for Ganser. He complains that the outset he was unable to find any official sources to support his charges of the CIA's or any Western European governments involvement with Gladio. Nevertheless, his book devotes 14 chapters to the quote secret war in various Western nations on his list. Ganser fails to document his thesis you say 14 14 chapter. He doesn't know any.

There's zero information 14 chapter but he wrote 14 war that that he had zero information on zero documented factual information. Man, that is that is really ringing blood out of a stone then man. This guy is killing it is good at stretching. Yeah. Um, so to finish his quote quote Ganser fails to document his thesis that the CIA MI six and NATO and its friends turned Gladio into a terrorist organization, right?

Which is the fundamental assumption and charge that's being made and the belief that Alex has and a large part of the conspiracy world has conspiracy theory. Yeah. It was the A team who did that. Could have been all of them. Could have been face. Everybody everybody got hired.

They were their mercenaries. That's why it doesn't matter what country they're in and if you need a job done right, you got to call the A team. That's that's true. They have a good batting average. Yeah. So Ganser wrote these things but he didn't prove them but Alex takes that book or at least the ideas espoused in it as proof

when he really shouldn't especially considering that in 2005 it was revealed that a lot of Ganser's narrative relies on a historical forgery that he took to be authentic. This is what's known as supplement B to the U.S. Army's field manual 30-31 which purports to be a classified section of the very real field manual 30-31 but is in fact a forgery put out in the 1970s by Soviet disinformation teams. The forge document contains exactly what Alex Jones thinks quote.

There may be times when host country governments show passivity or indecision in the face of communist or communist inspired subversion and react with inadequate vigor to intelligence estimates transmitted by U.S. agencies such situations are particularly likely to arise when the insurgency seeks to achieve tactical advantage by temporarily refraining from violence thus lulling host country authorities into a state of false security in such cases

U.S. Army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince the host country governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger and of the necessity of counteraction to this end U.S. Army intelligence should seek to penetrate the insurgency by means of agents on special assignment with the tasks of forming special action groups among the more radical elements

of the insurgency when the kind of situation in visit in visaged above arises these groups acting under U.S. Army intelligence controls should be used to launch violent or nonviolent actions according to the nature of the case. So this is basically the protocols of the writers of the field manual. Yeah and well it's Russian propaganda that they are good man. Right. That sounds great. Right. He should have known

it was a forgery when he saw that it was written in crayon though. It's all that is a big red flag. Another big red flag is it's almost too good. You know it's it's kind of exactly what you would need to prove exactly that everything is fake right or whatever and it it's not if you exclude this document that serious scholars and formal investigations have ruled to be a forgery then the evidence that the stay behind networks that were part of operation gladio actually committed any

false flag terrorism completely falls apart in the interest of fairness there have been some indications that old weapons caches from gladio style stay behind networks very may well have been used in later terrorist attacks and even if that's true that's a far cry from proving that the CIA or MI 6 converted these groups into terrorist groups. There's a hundred other explanations that could account for that. So I don't take that to be like a good piece of evidence of

from Alex's like it doesn't sound great. No, no, it falls apart. Yeah, when you look at it. So operation gladio for me is kind of out the window. I'm still bummed about the 14 chapters. You know, I have a hard time. I have a hard time writing that much when I do have all the information. That's that's too many words. Yeah, but if you think you're like breaking something that'll change the world, some sort of news that will change the world. I imagine it gets those. So he's

writing like Jack Kerouac is what you're saying. He's got the spirit flowing. He's got the he's got the scroll going down. Gotcha. And as for operation Ajax, Jordan, that one is more real, but Alex isn't really using it correctly. That operation refers to the CIA is 1953 overthrow of Muhammad Mossadak and the reinstallation of the Shah into his dictatorship over Iran. While this is a great example of the CIA doing something underhanded and what you could easily call evil.

It doesn't really work to help Alex's point about the globalists doing false flags in the United States for one pretty big reason and that is motive. Operation Ajax happened because Mossadak was leading a massively popular drive to nationalize the oil assets of the British company in charge of their oil, the Anglo Iranian oil company, which was a huge threat to a lot of people's profits. The CIA rationalized overthrowing Mossadak by appealing to the idea that if

they allowed him to take over Iran, all the oil would be in the hands of communists and that would be a real problem. Yeah, self determination for sovereign states is ah, we can't have that. It was 1953 after that sort of mentality was quite widespread. It's so good that we're done overthrowing people. Riots were manufactured and the Shah swept in and removed Mossadak from power with the full support of the U.S. government at MI6 because they knew he would be easier to

play ball with. Of course, that is the choice that was made. That is kind of how we do things. I know history is more complicated than that brief summation of it. But the thing that sticks out to me is that Alex is way out of line using this as a piece of evidence to support his worldview. All of his narratives are built on the backs of people who existed solely to demonize communism. He loves the John Birch society and all the most virulent anti communist weasels

you can find. He excuses all sorts of evil in the name of saying at least it's not communism. And guess what? That's exactly the reasoning the CIA used his propaganda to justify reinstalling the Shah who would go out to be a go on to be the dictator of Iran for quite a while afterwards. Yeah, yeah, the people that he has as spiritual mentors and what guides his whole sort of philosophy and worldview is exactly the same thing that the CIA used to justify their

actions. Yeah, that's ironic. It is a little bit. It's a little ironic. We move along here. Sorry, that was a lot up top. But that's alright. You know, it's just how the clip you got you got you got through it. So in this next clip, Alex discusses the actual shooting and where he stands on December 17th. So this could be a staged event. What we do know is staged is the crocodile tears. Ridiculous behavior of Obama

milking this for every disgusting ounce he can get. So Obama has given his speech where he cries and Alex is dead certain that he was fake crying, which is also deeply ironic. Yeah, man, and the fact that he's saying that there are that it's like he's milking this for everything it's worth and it's like, dude, what are you doing? Yeah, you are milking this for everything. It's worse. Yeah, right wing propaganda machine is milking this and it gets worse as we go along.

But Barack Obama is just like, Hey, can we not have kids die all the time anymore? That's nice. Yeah. And you know, sort of relating as a human and a parent and right the idea of getting emotional is not like that. I don't know. I think I think that certainly was more authentic than the many times we've heard Alex fake cry. Yeah, absolutely. But I think it's interesting because that's the first instance of two major instances on this episode that I think Alex is projecting on

to Obama what he would do in these circumstances. Of course. So the first one here is fake cry. He sees Obama crying on television. He's like that. He's like every time I cry, it's fake. So it must be fake with this guy. Yeah, any any outpouring or expression of emotion that shows non masculinity in Alex's definition, I guess must be performative. Yeah. And so he's like Obama, your fake crying. I know because I do it all the time. Exactly. That's how I hear that. Listen up. It takes

one to know one asshole. Yeah. But I think you wouldn't do you know, you wouldn't be saying that if he wasn't just so suspicious about this shooting. So suspicious. But you know what? He's not the only one who's suspicious, at least not in still occupied Texas at this point. All I'm doing is saying their war drums are going full blast. Get ready. Everyone I've talked to now says their spidey sense is off the chart. Not only over these 20 dead kids, I told my wife that night and

that morning that I felt physically ill. And she said what's going on? I said they're coming. They're coming for everything. I've talked to everybody around the office. They've had the same feelings. I know you're having it. That's your gut instinct God gave you. But intellectually you can see what they're doing politically. I mean that folks that we're entering the prime zone as I said a month ago of mass shootings federal buildings being blown up. They're going to blame it

on the preppers and the Patriots stay with us. So because you guys do it all the time. It does seem like stop doing it and then we'll stop blaming it on you. You know, if the right wing terrorists weren't right wearing terror ring all the time and it's all just fake. Why is it that so much more has happened when there's a Republican president in office? It would encourage is it? Yeah, and it would stand a reason that more of it would be happening during Obama's presidency. If

it was false flags. Whereas if it were a real right wing terror because that arguments that's an impossible or a boros argument because Alex would just say no because the globalists are now panicked because of how powerful and popular Trump is that they're going into overdrive. But that's insane. Of course it is. It's all insane. No, I know it's no matter what no matter what happens the argument fits and that's why it's a bad argument, right? But it's an even worse argument

because it's a bad idea. Yep, like it's why is it disagree with that? Why is it that all of his conspiracy theories about these globalists are them coming up with utterly silly and stupid plans that he thinks he's going to take down mainly because they're so stupid. It wouldn't be hard to take down those plans. No, which plans the if you're gonna if you're gonna come up with this whole like, oh, the globalists are panicking more now. So they're doing more right wing terror

attacks. That's going to backfire miserably. It's only going to inspire more right wing terror or desensitize people to the effects of right wing terror. So that doesn't make any fucking sense. Well, because it doesn't seem like in the instances that these things have happened in the past, anything against the right wing has actually been done. Exactly. So yeah, it does seem like it would be a even when they would be the globalists fishing in a dry well. Yeah, even when the

globalists put out this massive document terror, calling all of us terrorists or patriots, they just got rid of it in like two seconds because you guys bitched the whole time. Yeah, it shows a little bit of a yeah, kind of as a counter example to the globalists for being bad at their jobs. That's what I'm really mad at these hypothetical imaginary people are bad at their imaginary jobs. Exactly. Yeah, frustrating. So Alex thinks that like he's being blamed for this because

he always does. He always feels personally blamed for things because he doesn't understand what's going on in the world and stuff like that. He doesn't only reads headlines who doesn't understand what people are actually saying. And this next clip is a great example of that. I've got daily mail, foreign affairs, Washington Post, you've seen it CNN, CBS, all saying preppers did this. There's one of the headlines right here. New Town in the doomsday preppers,

foreign affairs, a division of the Washington Post, foreign policy.com. I mean, this is absolutely incredible that all of this is going on. It is incredible. It is very incredible, especially because Alex is referring to an article in foreign policy, not foreign affairs, but it seems like the way he's talking about it doesn't realize those are two different publications. No, it doesn't sound like which does not inspire confidence. No, that's not a good sign. Beyond that he clearly

didn't read this article. He just read the headline. The body of the text discusses how a lot of preppers are acting out of rational concerns about being ready for a disaster and the people who mock them often change their tune real fast when a hurricane comes right or something like that. The article is about early indications that Adam Land's mom was a bit of a survivalist prepper. But if Alex had read the article, it says toward the end quote, the extremity of Adam Land's crime

has created a desperate desire for explanations and dismissing him as a crazy survivalist or the son of a crazy survivalist will likely prove irresistible for many people trying to make sense of a senseless act. But the ultimate truth of his motive is not likely to be so simplistic. Additional information will emerge over the coming days, but we may never know really why Landza killed his mother and so many innocent teachers and children understanding the context of his actions may

provide useful insights that could prevent future incidents, but gross oversimplifications will only stand in the way. The article is literally a voice of caution warning people that labeling Landza as a prepper and using that to explain his act is somehow or it is something that will stand in the way of future understanding of the tragedy. That's literally the opposite of what Alex is saying. But I don't think Alex could ever actually like disregarding the fact that Alex

can't read. Even if he could read those sentences are would like just short circuit his brain like he would white out and it would just be on the floor and he'd be like I'm going to pretend those didn't exist compared to what he pretends to read or what he claims to read. Those are simple fucking sense. Exactly. But what they mean is so hurtful to him. It's not. It's supportive of his worldview. Exactly. He's defending the worst thing that could happen with this article.

Yeah, but he can't be them. He can't be. He can't allow them to be supporting his articles or his his ideas. He needs to be the victim. I got bad news. He fucking needs to because he's reporting on this stuff in the wake of a giant mass shooting of at an elementary school. He can't play fast and loose with this stuff. These really he is. Why is he going to get sued? Well, I hope a couple years later. It's that it's that you know the oversimplifications only stand in the way. Alex is

embodying the last sentence of this article. Right. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. If it doesn't even matter what they say, when you hear the words when Alex reads the words over simplification, he's like, No, that's what I do. Stop it. Don't don't tell me not to oversimplify. That's the only thing I know how to do. Stop it, which might be why I mean it's but it's probably best if he just reads headlines then because then he can sort of

feign ignorance or something like that. Right. That's true. If he just came out with it and said, I don't care much for articles. I like to just read headlines. I'm he could pull off like his I'm a Gerald Salenti style trends forecaster. All you need is the headlines to get the trend. Right. All I'm doing is expressing the vibe I'm getting. Yeah, or whatever. But then he wouldn't be able to pretend he's really smart and research. Exactly. So it's kind of can't really have both.

I mean, he has read over 100 books on World War two, I guess that's so that's fine read the title. Yeah, 200 books. Yeah. So at this point, we are still seeing him sort of wanting to say it's fake, relating the event to other things that he thinks are fake. And that sort of thing. And in this next clip, there's another implication that he thinks this was fake. You see, the government has lost the trust of the people

and they know that. So they're basically saying anyone that doesn't trust us and doesn't want to be robbed by the government is a terrorist. And I'm telling you, they're getting ready to stage more mass shootings and events. Stay with us. Okay, so it's clear from the language there when he says they're getting ready to plan and stage more fake shootings and stuff like that. It's not really clear if he's saying that is like Sandy Hook was one and there will be more or if

it's the other ones that he talks about. So I'm presenting that as a little bit of like, this is shrubbery around the the house that's being built of our investigation. Okay, it's just more it's more evidence that he just thinks everything's fake. Yeah, frankly. Yeah, I don't I don't like the I mean, it stands to reason if you are saying immediately following a mass shooting, they are planning to stage more mass shootings. It follows that you think that mass shooting was

staged and it's inescapable that people listening to it would take that. Yeah, and it wouldn't be crazy of them to take that understanding. It's the only thing that makes sense. And if it's not, you're doing a bad job talking. So stop it. So that's just sort of to give you a little bit of the flavor of things here. And it gets back to talking about gun grabbing. And these gun grabbers that are going around, they want to grab your guns. But he also that's not the best way to do it either.

Like I wouldn't this is another problem with the globalist plans. Don't grab guns. Ask people politely to give them to you. It's way better. People with guns don't respond well to polite request. They don't respond well to grabs. Nope. Don't respond well to anything. No, it turns out. So let's just move on to this next clip. Okay, where he talks about how the systems at war with him. And then he says something else that in the same way as that clip a couple ones back. It's sort of

unclear if he's referring to Sandy Hook when he says something about shootings being fake, but in exactly the same way you brought up, it's only reasonable to assume that the one that is most recent and he has been talking about is what he's referring to. Right. It's very complicated. The system is panicking. It's run by foreign banks that have looted Europe and are now looting us engaged in all sorts of crime in front of us, arming to the teeth against us with armored vehicles and tanks,

being cash in every town and city. Marshall law being incrementally turned on TSA on the streets. All of this being done in the name of al Qaeda, then they flip the script and say no, no, no, it's for preppers. It's for conservatives. Now the rollout starts and they create the simulation 20 dead kids from some person under psychiatric care undoubtedly on drugs video game head. So the simulation. Yeah, that's tough. Because I actually introduced that poorly. I forgot that he literally

said the 20 dead kids. Yeah. Yeah. That one said that one says this is fake. Yeah. That one says this is fake. Yeah. But it but the way he's saying a simulation, it's it's too vague to really nail in like what version like what does he mean by that? Right. Does he mean that they created that simulation before? Because if they created that simulation before, then it would only make sense for them to then have followed through with it. It's hard to say at this point or it is a simulation

by them pretending that it happened currently, right? Or they're simulating the fallout from what no, there's no way that means that means he says it's staged. Well, I can see one version of it that isn't that what that is that the shooting itself happened whether or not the government staged it or not whatever it happened. Yeah. And then the simulation that he's referring to is the way it's being framed by the media or something like that. Yeah, I could see that being a position

he could defend. It's thin. No, it's thin. No, it's thin. No chance. I look, I have to extend all the possibilities. That is one version of it. I could see it's unlikely how much nuance is involved in that a lot. Then it didn't exist. It's probably not real. It's not real. It doesn't if there's nuance involved. Alex doesn't understand it. Aggressive doubt benefited. That is too much. That is too much. It might be but I'm not going to give him any of that shit. He just said

that Sandy Hook was stage but short any other like the sort of corroborating pieces. I'm not willing to accept that as like a full throated. Everything was fake or anything like that. I'm gonna go with an indication of where his head is. Yeah. And how he's speaking. Well, one of the things that I feel like needs to be pointed out is he is absolutely certain it's real. And I will tell you my my reasoning for that is he is coming up with more and more supervillains in this story

and different angles of attack for them to be making towards gun people. Sure. So he's coming up with. All right. Now it's these foreign bankers. All right. Now it's the the government itself who's trying to come take your guns. All right. Now it's Obama's rogue at leftist elements of the government trying to take your guns. Every he's trying to get everybody everybody involved in this or to try and on shoes see which one fits. Yeah, figure out which which is the

you think he could walk around right. He's throwing shit at the wall to find out who people are going to react with the most. Yeah, that's that's a very likely possibility. So earlier he was saying that Obama was fake crying which I think is a huge projection on his part and here is the second clip where I think he is projecting a little bit. Again, the system needs to be relevant. It needs to be able to grandstand and make you watch it. The mainstream media needs this because

no one watches them unless there's a big mass shooting and then Obama whose normal White House videos get about 10,000 views. If you go to White House official channel on YouTube gets about 10,000 views shit his videos. Oh, he gets to have four or five million now on his videos when this wow see fucking wow. Alex seems to be implying that Obama either staged this shooting or is behaving in response to the shooting the way he is to get more traffic to his YouTube.

Yeah, I think that I think what he's trying to say is that Obama staged the shooting for ads. So for views for views for ad revenue and that is exactly what Alex is wishing he could do right now 100% if Alex could get away with staging something like that like some giant publicity event like I don't know it's like starting some sort of fight with some famous podcaster. Oh, if he could stage any number of different events that are not true and are not based on anything real

in order to get views then of course the president would kill kids. Yeah, he's so he's so nuts that like the only way he can really understand other people's actions and reactions to things is how he would react right and the way he would react to this if he had to give a speech in Newtown is to fake cry because he needs to you know, bring the emotions or whatever because on a cognitive level he knows that that's the response people have I need to be I need to mirror

humans right. Yeah, he's like an alien. And so he accuses Obama of fake crying and he knows that he would use something like this in order to get more publicity and traffic. Of course. So he accuses Obama of his videos being manipulative or or whatever if that and that's the most generous version because Obama killed kids for views. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That is another interpretation of that clip which is just fucked up. Wow. Yeah, it's as brain works. So that's how his

brain works but his gut is a slightly different matter and in this next clip he says what his gut feels. We knew this was coming and you know my gut tells me because of what we know about other shooters and that being swept under the rug and report of a guy in a mask and then reports of other shooters and then who this guy's dad was high level GE exec we're getting some intel right now. It looks bad. They probably had some globalist grease mommy get him wound up

drugged out get him in there shoot him because this has been done before then have your real group that did it exit but even if that's not the case it's cultural mind control the television the shooter video games designed by the Pentagon to make you kill instinctively and uncaringly in a program trained fashion. This is so weak man. This is this is absolutely weak because he's suggesting exactly what he wants to report as his angle which is that right they greased mom

and then drugged up the kid. Yeah, we got it. We got another angle of attack for these different villain globalists but he's not ready to do that for whatever reason and so he's couching that with like even if that's not the case it's all social brainwashing. Yeah. Cool. I don't say anything. You don't have to do any of this. He could defend guns without this. This stuff is completely superfluous. That's not as a good point. It's wild. He could point. He's just getting

himself in trouble because well because he needs more clicks right. The same thing he's accusing Obama of is what is going to I'm more convinced than ever what is going to lead him to make the unforced errors. Yeah. That he makes as we go through this. Yeah. It's just so stupid. Oh man. Here's what he could have said. This is a tragedy. Mm hmm. That's it. Well and even if you could have just stopped that you could also say this is a tragedy but we have you know we have to keep

moving forward as a country. I firmly believe that the Second Amendment is one of the most important things. We cannot allow our emotions to override our political principles and while we honor and mourn the loss of life and extend condolences to the families we also will not bend on our convictions or whatever. There is a way. Damn can you imagine him saying that. No fuck no. No I know but I mean like just no I mean just like reading those words. No. You know like

saying like because of course he couldn't come up off the top freestyle. Yeah. You just freestyled a very kind thing. Still felt dirty. It's awful. Yeah. No it's miserable but can you imagine him like just reading those words hearing his voice say those words. I can't imagine like even if he was doing voice over for a Jim Jarmusch movie you'd still be like. Condolence. I'm just saying I'm just saying that I think that there's a way that he could achieve all of the

political goals he thinks he's achieving or trying to achieve yeah without doing any of the stuff that's bad. No this is all bad. Yeah. So in that last clip he said that his gut was telling him all these things about how the globalists took him in there and did all the blah blah blah and then you know hey that's just his gut. Right. Unfortunately my guts telling me he's shooting himself in the dick. That's just me. Well he does explain in this next clip that whenever he

trusts his feelings he's always right. My whole life I haven't gone off my feelings and every time I don't follow my feelings it's bad. Every time I follow my feelings it's right and man I've told you used to I was getting chills like maybe twice a year when I saw something happening then I started getting chills every week that every day now it's just one big chill and something bad's about to happen. Correction something bad did happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also I

would say everything that we're seeing in this snapshot so far of this end of 2012 period is a condemnation of his gut. It is like we know. Oh yeah. We know that this is a prime example of him his gut leading him down a horrible road. So no you should not listen to your gut Alex your gut is unhealthy. That is that is so. Wow. The idea that he would say my gut tells me something bad is about to happen. It's wild. Yeah. After that phrase a massive school shooting. Yeah. Yeah.

But he's like man that's fucked up. Well he's trying to minimize it to a lot in the in the sense of like everyone's demonizing mass shootings and stuff like that but more people are killed by deer every year and stuff like that. And it's like hey sure I mean if you want to go based on numbers fine but if you want to extend that metaphor even further what you should then be like the analog is putting up signs in places where there's lots of deer that's a that's sort of a government

action that tries to limit the damage of deer on highways and stuff like that. Well Chicago has one of the strictest deer control laws in the country but we get all of our deer just coming in from Indiana. Right. Like it's brutal. Right. You know what I'm saying. Like they're federal deer control laws. There aren't like he would be the one if if he was like super passionate about like if the Second Amendment was about deer like he would be the one saying like deer or free to

roam. You can't put up a sign here. Yeah. That's demonizing the deer. Yeah. That's the equivalent of what he's doing about guns. So yes people do hit a lot about a lot of damage demonizing the deer. Don't demonize deer. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. I do know what you're saying. So I don't know in his conception whatever he thinks is coming is worse than the shooting. Yeah. In as much as he thinks that they're going to take the guns and then there's going to be a civil war.

Yeah. So do you know it's way worse than a lot of children being murdered and nothing being done about it. And so more and more children are murdered. The idea that he wouldn't be allowed to have assault rifles. But it's the worst thing. It's less that I promise you it's less that although that is a big piece of it then that he foresees a civil war coming because of the gun grabbers. Right. So if you look at if you think about the loss of life that would come from an all out

civil war you could say that that might be worse than a school shooting. I don't think it would be a civil war more like it would be like the entire country going like holy shit guys you are fucking crazy. And then the one percent of the country that owns all of our guns would be like I guess we're going out in a blaze of glory. That's they're they're all living the remember the alibi they would kill so many innocent I know I'm not I'm not saying that I'm just saying

it's not a civil war. It would be a massacre. I'm saying the scale of that is what he's saying is worse than a school shooting. Right. Not just the abstract idea of him losing a gun. Right. I know it's an unnecessary defense but I just don't want to be sitting here being like all he cares about is keeping his gun. He is still I mean it's ludicrous for him to even like suggest that it's a likely outcome of things but at least what he's talking about isn't just that you know it

isn't just his I guess I'll give you that one. I think you have to because it is different. I get it. I just don't buy his whole civil war bullshit. No of course not. It's absurd. Yeah. But it's where his head is. All right. You got to meet him halfway. All right. So all this is going on getting harder and harder to meet him halfway. It's true. So he's terrified. There's a lot of bad stuff going on. It's all a mess and you might be asking yourself is it time to pray. Do you

think it's time to pray. No it hasn't been time to pray since early 2017. Let's see if it's time to pray. I just commit myself in the hands of God. That's all I can say and and and I want to say this. I keep meaning to say a prayer on air but I don't feel worthy to say a prayer on air. I feel humble. I think God would be kind of pissed about it. He said he didn't like that shit. I just love my children so much and I love my children so much in their innocence. I love other

people's children. I know what everybody's thinking and saying who's got children. That's why the globalists use the murder of children to control us and it makes me so mad at the Democrats who are just murdering children everywhere with wanton abandon. So I hate him so much when he goes on to talk about how like they're you know kids are killed in foreign countries as a byproduct of our foreign policy and yeah fair point. Yeah doesn't doesn't help here all that much but

when he says the like they they're using the deaths of these children in order to push you know that stuff it does imply there's a fakeness but it also still could be just in the use of the story in the media afterwards. God this is just edging just edging and this isn't going to help because it has to do with prophetic dreams. Of course and one of our reporters I didn't ask permission and I don't know if he wants me to tell the story but I'll I won't I won't tell it

was he wants to tell it. He said you know I talked to my wife she had a horrible nightmare that night of men repelling down into a school. He just proceeds to tell the story. He says that he's not going to tell. Yeah that's wild. Yeah that's so rude. No and shooting little kids and his wife's a teacher and it was one of those dreams that upset her so bad she called her friends about it. See I've had dreams that actually come true before that I've told people about and then they come

through six months later. And as I walked around the corner and this guy tried to mug me. I had a sick feeling walk around the corner going I've been here before and it was the dream and the guy and the shirt and everything. But but again I'm not getting off into mumbo jumbo here the point is is that I told everybody I'm physically sick that whole week I said I something bad and it's not just the murder of these three little precious children. It's that they're launching this is

the bugles sounding the charge is on they're coming they're coming. So somebody knows that a prophetic dream about this and then he relates it to a time that he had a literal prophetic dream which does seem to imply that this person who's like info wars employees spouse did have a prophetic dream which doesn't tend to imply that what happened evidenced by this prophetic dream is people repelling into the school and shooting kits. It is amazing. I have not seen too many media

organizations who have hired so many mediums. Yeah. And psychics and there's a lot of real people. Yeah. Yeah. Organization. Yeah. It's it's like the info wars men the info wars X men like that's what he's he's established. Alex's school for gifted children. Yeah. Perhaps. Yeah. It is weird. You'd think that if the guy running the place was a psychic statistically actually. Yeah. He would hire more psychics than other probably hire all psychics. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the

problem is he's not hiring enough psychics. That could be. Yeah. That could be maybe because he's a psychic that goes on his gut. Yeah. His gut isn't psychic. His gut is definitely not psychic. Neither is his brain. That clip was really weird. I found that to have no place in a show in the week after safety hook. No. Relying on sort of you know paranoia paranormal type ideas and then be like I'm not into mumbo jumbo like you are you are literally doing that right now.

You just said you were a psychic. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex is psychic. He's got a team of psychics working for him. Yeah. They still can't predict shit. But in this next clip Alex talks about how frustrated he is at how how awake he is about the globalists and all of that. He's so it's so frustrating to be so right all the time. Being this awake is exhausting. I mean I'll just tell you right now because and it's frustrating to know how wicked these Democratic Party

operatives are how bad they are how evil they are how duplicitous how murderous. And you know I try to hold back my gut tells me the White House people controlling the governments were involved in this. That's what my gut tells me. Okay. All right. All right. All right. All right. Well there it is. We've turned the corner false flag. Yep. There it is. That's pretty over but again it's still the super like unsatisfying thing where he's saying it's still like

this is what my gut tells me it is. Yeah but he says his gut is always 100% right. And he's psychic. Sure. I get that. I'm not giving you this one. No I know this is 100% he's saying that it's staged. If you if you include the premise my gut is never wrong. Yes. That is what he's saying. But it's taking his red. I think it is. Yeah. But if you're some are giving way too much better than the doubt on this one because I'm trying to look at this from like a structural

perspective. I'm trying to look at this like as if I were an entirely unbiased observer who's like all of his bullshit talk about his gut. Just throw that out the window. I still think he's couching his language and maybe that's the more important piece. He's couching his language and not saying guys this was fake. The White House was involved. Right. Something like that. Right. He's still relying on that secondary premise in order to fill in the gaps in his

listeners mind. I guess as opposed to overtly making the statement. Right. Right. Right. And the overtness is the point I'm far more interested in or at least I think that's you know where the the conversation changes although that is fucking over. Yeah. That is really that is pretty crazily over. I think I think you're over correcting for your unbiased listener because even an unbiased listener were they to listen to like this in succession like all of

these clips in a row they'd be like yeah yeah yeah that's happening. If it was one of those if it was any one of the clips that you have put together an unbiased observer would be like that's not one hundred percent proof. But when you got six in a row yeah they're like come on man. I am over correcting if only because I want to it's it's tough when you cover a conspiracy theorist and someone like Alex it is it is the sort of thing where you almost

find yourself making leaps of logic that aren't appropriate by virtue of him doing it all the time. Right. And so I try to keep as mindful presence of that in my head when I'm looking at this stuff that I have to adhere to a pretty strict this means this this means this yeah kind of last I give into the temptation to play the games he does right even if it's I see I see what you're saying because there is a subconscious desire to play the fun all the new games that he

does yeah he's clearly having a lot of fun. Yeah which is really disgusting. I don't get to say that I'm a psychic. No you don't that's fun. No I know it is. Give yourself super powers to kids. I'm sorry. What would your superpower be being a fucking Cardinal. That's what it would be. The ability to transform into any bird I want bad superpower. So earlier you were asking sort of the idea was like is he implying that the government and all of them knew in advance and in that last

clip I think he is heavily implying yeah yeah but now he actually instead of just saying my gut tells me this in this next clip from December 17th he says something that if he believes and he's reporting this as a thing that he's like it's actual a story a news story if he believes this to be true there is no way that he cannot think that it was planned ahead of time. Did you know five nights in a row in the build up. Well the first four nights Monday Tuesday Wednesday

Thursday and then of course Friday the four nights leading up to the shooting last Friday as those are the days I went I heard about this from listeners I went and looked it up it was true CNN and MSNBC both for the four nights leading up we're doing gun control we've got to ban the semi autos I mean how much more obvious does this get. Okay come on so come on he's he's saying come on CNN and MSNBC in preparation for the shooting yeah had been running pre like preparatory stories

they were priming people to hate guns so whenever a mass shooting happened that they knew was going to happen or at least their handlers or whatever yeah higher levels dictated their propaganda stories sure yeah so that that come on that's no that one is tough to get around I'm not sure I can make a good argument for that one get around that one I don't think I can no that's the first instance I think of like okay you're now committing to this road you're

beer you're bringing in stuff that listeners have told you about and you're pretending that you've confirmed yeah and they are their narratives that only serve to provide some sort of a structural integrity to your idea that it was fake yeah that is intent and action encapsulated and even ended it with saying how much more obvious could this be true which is which is like if you're saying it's so obvious that you're saying that it happened the way you're saying

and it obviously did it obviously did yeah and so I think that this is probably the point at which we can make a reasonable and fair statement that he believes it's fake yes yes in in some manner or not or another and it seems pretty clear that at this point it is that Ethan Hunt came in from the ceiling and shot the kids yes or whatever so yeah secret agent within the globalist structure went in there and set up Adam Lanza right it seems like that is where his head is

he said that the white his gut tells him to the White House or the people in charge and running things in the White House were involved I'm almost certain that this is the departure point absolutely for that he's saying that the government hired the A team and it will only get worse from there yeah I think because we know that he never sees the light until no until much much later in terms of saying till there's a lawsuit right yeah so I don't I don't know I think it's gonna I think

it's just gonna spiral out of control but he's afraid that they're gonna take the guns right and one of the things that he's he's already made the argument and he said a couple of times that they're ramping up martial law stuff because of the Sandy Hook shooting I he doesn't use a lot of specifics right I I'm I just can't get this thought out of my head real quick I'm we're at a week after Sandy Hook right less than four days after something like that four days after and three

days three days three days after and it took zero time for him to then say that it's all the lefts fault oh yeah he is saying Democrats instead of globalists are interchangeable at this point yeah exactly does scream a bunch about how the Republicans are just there to help you the Patriots right bend over for the Democrats who are the ones who are really running the ball down the field right for the globalists right so let's just put this juxtaposition together all

right and maybe this is why we lose Dan we have heard eight million clips in a row basically saying I think it was fake but with little different languages and and you're like we're gonna give you the benefit of the doubt we're gonna give you the benefit of the doubt I'm gonna try and give you the benefit of the doubt and it took three days after one of the worst mass shooting in America at the time for him to say that it's all Democrats fault I'm just saying Jordan this is why

we lose I feel you on that they don't give a fuck I feel you on that but I would also stipulate that I wouldn't respond this way if we were listening to this in 2012 I am responding the way I am in part because we're listening to this years later and that's not to say there isn't any stakes involved in us covering this but it's certainly not the same as if it was happening in real time in front of us right if I was listening to these episodes and we were doing

this podcast in 2012 I would probably have responded to the day of him saying it was fake like with alarms going off you're like yeah yeah Alex is suggesting this is fake guys right you know it would have been much more a big deal and I think one of the reasons I'm giving so many benefits of the doubt is because I know it's going to get really bad and it'll be so much worse for him if we're fair yeah that's true because I don't I don't I'm just I'm just saying that's that's

something that I cannot get out of my head that just like this is a lesson to learn this is a lesson to learn somewhat I think I think I think the applying that lesson is on a case by case basis and you got to be careful with it but there is that there is a overarching lesson to learn and the others a lot of times the other side doesn't care as much as you care and that can be a hindrance but I don't know I don't I don't know how to I don't know how to apply that

across the board effectively because all it does if it if you do that across the board then you paint with a broad brush of all of your perceived enemies and you give yourself carte blanche to never listen to anybody who might be not a horrible person I don't think it's so much that's I don't think that's what that's not what I'm trying to express there I understand well I understand fully I'm just saying yeah I'm saying that the lesson is good and the lesson is

often very applicable but if you universalize it it's bad that's all I'm saying yeah I get what you're saying okay so let's let's let's let's jump back okay here because I got some fun stuff here okay so on this show Alex is not done a lot of news necessarily it's complained about Sandy Hook a bit and speculated that it's fake but I don't call that news necessarily now he had that one headline about the prepper thing which is bogus as hell right as we've discussed and

now he gets into how he thinks that in response to Sandy Hook they're bringing in martial law he brings up a headline and it's real whack Paragold Arkansas Mayor Mike Gaskell and the party don't still will announced a December 14th town hall meeting the beginning of the 2013 streets of their city we're going to be patrol by police officers or in SWAT gear and AR 15s if you're out walking we're going to stop you ask you why you're out walking and check your ID well that's

called martial law right there but the borders wide open and the police are ordered to let illegal aliens drunk drive and do whatever they want cops admit it because it's all a joke it's about making sure you know you're a slave we've got the newscast link to it's like the news is like it's great they're keeping it safe and so we already I mean we got that nice juxtaposition between you the slave and illegal immigrants and yeah so at least that's I mean that's pretty consistent

there should have been there should have been a bell that went off where he was like the mayor of Parasol Arkansas and the bell goes off and you're like don't care nobody cares nobody cares Paragold nobody fucking cares about what the mayor of Paragold the good people don't care don't care we have a lot of listeners in Paragold care we're big are we insulting our Paragold people I'm not insulting them I'm just saying as far as news go I want them to live in martial law as far as news

goes if you bring up Paragold Arkansas I shut down I don't care I can understand that but conversely I turn on because that is a specific I can check I find that news story right it's obviously easy to track down of course so Alex has an interesting take on the situation out of Paragold Arkansas he sees a story about police dressed up in SWAT gear patrolling the streets and he instantly reports on it is somehow being related to the aftermath of Sandy Hook when it in reality

has nothing to do with that well reporting in the Arkansas Times reveals that Todd Stovall the Paragold police chief announced his plans for police and SWAT gear patrolling citizens in high crime areas in a town hall meeting on December 13th the day before Sandy Hook happened in that clip we just listened to Alex misreports the date of the meeting as being December 14th because the way he wants to tell the story is that this happened as a result of the shooting and as an

example of the globalists using the shooting to bring in martial law but that story doesn't fly if the meeting happened the day before yeah anybody else that might be excused as a slip of the tongue or getting a detail wrong in some sort of benign way but in this circumstance with this dude that seems very likely to me to be a straight up lie yeah in order to serve the narrative especially because it would probably better serve as narrative if he did say that it was the day

before because then that's the globalist soft launching their martial law yeah and they're then going to because they're picking Paragold Arkansas you know where the globalist want to try out all their new plans right as they say as Paragold goes so goes the country it's it's a really interesting line because yes if you could say that they were pushed this the day before saying to hook in the same way he's saying that CNN reported these anti gun stories exactly but that doesn't

work if the premise is that this police chiefs actions are motivated by Sandy Hook he can't have both of those things right so that's true it has to be after because the justification has to be Sandy Hook to rationalize martial law right so that's why he has to lie about the date okay new theory all right the police chief does this town hall and does not get a positive reaction oh he doesn't he doesn't know he doesn't know he doesn't not everybody that clips as

the media is all like oh it's great they were not he everybody hates it right real bad but he really wants to do this what does he do goes all the way up Sandy Hook and that's what he does and then he comes back and he's like see my plan is a great plan it's time to take over Paragold but even after saying to hook no one thought it was a good plan so Alex is also lying about the media and everyone else saying that they were excited about this idea there was quite a bit of backlash

to Stovell's plans and it's clearly you know it's an unnecessary move and it would almost certainly be used in a pretty racist way that's the police their definition of high crime stop and frisk type behaviors in Arkansas can you imagine traditionally that's you know it's not been not done well not not a not the progressive bastion of Paragold huh no but there's one piece of this whole thing that Alex isn't talking about and it's not a coincidence that he's not

talking about it you know who's leading the charge against Stovell's plan of what Alex calls martial law I don't it was Rita Sklar the executive director of ACLU Arkansas who said that Stovell had quote zero understanding of constitutional rights period hmm so the ACLU Alex's sworn enemy and somebody who he thinks is an arm of the globalist was the one organization on the ground that was organizing and acting against this guy's plan to foment martial law in Paragold right

so I can see why the Sklar brothers don't take her with them on tour but I don't know seems pretty great at what she there's a good sense of humor in that article that isn't bad that I mean just saying he has no understanding of constitutional rights period there's a little bit of that in there but then her response to one of his comments was just you could just type out ha all right get her on tour guys come on you Sklar

oh you're just twins fuck off you could use a sister yeah so that story Alex is totally wrong about and now in service of building up his other narrative that he talked a bit more about on the last episode which was the idea that he's on Prozac the at these pros and yeah stuff like that and that's what causes this he brings up another headline and it's always a problem when he brings up headlines. Prozac faces ban over suicide fear boom Daily Mail boom got a

level and he says boom. Is there anything that's going to be dunked on more than any sentence he says and ends with boom boom any time he's like see knock it down that one's in my column it is the most dunkable is the John Madden of yeah of propaganda so it's clear that Alex didn't read this article either and he only knows the headline because he's if he presented the contents of the article it would go a long way to undermining

undermining the essential narrative that he's trying to present. Before I get into the article it's important to remember that he's presenting the idea that the globalists are trying to get everyone on Prozac because it'll make a certain percentage of the population kill themselves or kill others and the globalists can that use those killings as an excuse to carry out their nefarious plans he's not just a concerned citizen

who thinks a certain medication is dangerous he believes that evil globalists are giving it to you and the public to fuck them up now in this article you immediately find some red flags this Daily Mail article the first is this passage quote teenagers could be barred from being prescribed Prozac in other antidepressants amid fears that they may increase the risk of suicide using antidepressants increase suicide related behavior in children and adolescents said the London

based European medicine medicines agency the agency did not find any evidence of deaths caused by the drugs so clearly the first problem is even the organization that's lobbying to get Prozac banned admits that they have zero actual cases where Prozac caused someone's death. That's a problem for Alex's argument but I'm sure wouldn't be too hard for him to wiggle out of it by saying they reclassified death. Yeah sure sure sure sure the bigger problem and the

one he can't wiggle out of is that this band was being promoted and pushed by the European medicines agency. Why is that a problem? Because the EMA was specifically created in 1995 by funding from the European Union God damn it exclusively to exist as a body within the EU their website is EMA dot Europa dot EU and while they used to be based in London they've since had to relocate to Amsterdam after Brexit because they're

EU body. This is entirely anathema to Alex's narrative. He's literally saying that the globalists want to give you Prozac to kill you and at the same time the medical arm of the EU the world's largest globalist entity is actively campaigning to ban Prozac in the world of this man who's just swims in contradictions. This one is still pretty impressive. Everything he's saying is upside down world. It's well it's bananas it's not it's an indication that he

doesn't know any of these things right you can just take it seems like you would you could just say European medicines agency and kind of guess right like even if it's based in London this is also pre-Brexit. Yeah well pre-Brexit when Britain is still in the EU yeah but it's literally called the European medicines agency. Yep like it's probably part of the EU. Yep but that's that to me is evidence that he either didn't

read the article or doesn't give a fuck now he doesn't give a fuck it well I could also see him not reading the article because the headline is the sort of thing that leads him to say boom right so why read the article if the headline it already delivered it's the perceived slam dunk yeah that's true it's the equivalent of the slam dunk where you hit the back of the rim and the ball bounces back like all the way to half court but you think that you dunked and so you like

flex when you get down to the ground and like. Wizards era Jordan in the All-Star game you're really clowning on somebody that you didn't dunk on you know that sort of thing oh that's kind of the feeling that I have here but it'd be like if it'd be like if Steph Curry took one of those threes where he shoots it and it looks so pretty and he turns around before he even. Before even before it even goes in he doesn't even need to

watch it go in and it just misses by a mile and nobody tells everybody just moves on like it didn't happen. I might have done that once in back when I used to play basketball yeah and like junior high or something like that just really got cocky about how good a ball felt coming off my hands completely missed yeah that's real embarrassing got a real embarrassing you should probably be the best shooter in the history of the sport before you start playing around

with those moves well it was you know 13 or whatever and thought I was hot shit so all this is to say that like it is this weird line of like. I think that you have a responsibility to do better like no matter what no matter what kind of place we're going to land in terms of his like what version of of Sandy Hook is fake is he espousing that stuff he has a moral obligation to do a better job than this and it's evidenced by how bad

these stories that he's using right the things that if you just read the story it says the opposite of what he says it is but he uses the headline to reinforce whatever terrible road he's going down this is the act of a completely irresponsible person and it's a bad actor it's someone who has something that they want to work towards as opposed to find out more about I think we can agree no matter what where we land on any of that stuff that this next clip is deeply

immoral now this isn't good and for the first time probably in the you know what this when we're done with this episode it'll be four days worth of episodes after Sandy Hook that I've heard of Alex's this is the first time that I sort of shuttered a little bit thankfully it's not really about the shooting itself he's trying to make fun of Obama and his response to the shooting he plays some of Obama's speech and the way he's acting I find so deeply reprehensible

that I don't know we'll see on the other side how you feel I bet you'll agree with me. I know there's not a parent in America who doesn't feel the same overwhelming grief that I do. His only grief is that majority of those who died today were children. Oh, little kids between the ages of five and 10 years old well you have grief that the vaccine didn't like kill them

slowly or what. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh they're lower mandibles they had their entire lives ahead of them and I couldn't start their days graduations weddings kids of their own taxes to pay me in the foreign banks chemotherapy then he cries out the other among the following were also teachers and women who devoted their lives to helping our children there in the victim shooting center.

So our hearts are broken today. Okay, that's enough. Yeah, our hearts are broken. So let me now demonize the second amendment the country was founded on. I mean, these are total opportunists. It's just gross. It's just it's an inhuman response.

The idea of seeing this person and then be like, oh, well, you just you just said he couldn't kill him slowly with vaccines. He's just mad that they didn't grow up to pay him taxes. Yeah, this is Westboro Baptist Church heckling at a funeral kind of thing. Yeah, it's it's it's bad like it's his response is very very bad.

Fuck and take an hour off just take an hour off and let that speech be what it is and then move on. Don't do that. That's fucking disgusting. Yeah, it's pretty bad. He also accuses Obama of using neuro linguistic programming. I just didn't I just didn't even include that clip because it's clear from his words.

He doesn't really understand what that is. No, and I don't care to get into it. No, I think what he thinks is he's talking well. I think Obama is using neuro linguistic programming or oratory. I think he's implying that he has like he's able to put people into a trance or something like that. Yeah, he's using magic words. Well, that's why he can't allow that he could never ever.

I don't know why he played that speech other than to like I suppose it's a preemptive defense against empathy because if he were to have played that speech in its entirety even on his show, there's no way that his listeners are going to heckle the same way. Some of them I'm sure would but there are. There have to be plenty of his listeners. There's no way that all of his listeners are psychopaths.

No, and if they were to if you listen to that fucking speech at the very least, you recognize humanity. Even if you hate everything Obama stands for, right? Even if you think he's the worst president in history, if you just listen to that entire speech uninterrupted, you're like. I feel you. Yeah, but that's yeah, but that's exactly has to heckle.

He has to build up a this this display of like a real emotion and a real human response to this must be fake. Lest I be compared to it. Exactly or something along those lines. Yeah, I think there's probably a piece of that in there. So I'm going to skip this next clip because it doesn't really matter and he says very similar things, but he's just trying to make the argument that when people get killed with cars,

you know, like blame auto manufacturers and stuff like that. Sometimes you do. Well, when there's when they do it stuff like that. Yeah, sure. But but he's saying that like when people get killed with guns, you blame gun organizations and stuff like that. And one of the reasons for that is because those groups like the NRA, they lobby against these sort of regulations that

the automobile industry is subject to. Exactly. So the conversation isn't you should blame the manufacturer for making the thing that's used to hurt people. It's these organizations actively disallow people to take care of the problems that their products create. So anyway, I don't really care. Whatever is next clip.

Alex talks about how he sees more false terrorism coming. He says that part isn't new, but then he says something at the end of this that's real, real wild. It's going to be hammered down folks. They're going to stage terror attacks and blame it on us. They're going to just it's going to be battle. They'll probably release a bio weapon. Who knows how bad it'll be.

It's just get pray to God is all I can say because let me tell you something I would not be up here on air. I would be high tailing it to Ireland or Switzerland. Not that they're perfect, but I would be, you know, doing the show every day from from from a studio in Europe only because I'm a target here. If I wasn't trusting in God right now, folks, I would be evacuating right now gone.

Boom. I mean, this is a real tyranny. This is an evil illegitimate government that's built reeducation camps and bought 1.6 billion bullets. Okay. Okay. So I think, you know, why would you want to go to Europe? Why?

What's what? They have stronger First Amendment protections there. Wait, no, they don't. He hates that they don't have a constitution with them with the Bill of Rights at all. He hates the EU. Why would he flee to you? Why would he do it?

They get a studio in Europe if he's going to be. I genuinely think he doesn't think Ireland is part of the EU. I genuinely think he's like, it's an island. It can't be part of the EU. I think he just, uh, I don't know, but I don't even think he says that he's Irish generally. Always talks about his well-shared it.

Yeah. Switzerland. I guess I get that the impartiality historically and stuff like that and Nazi's hiding stuff in the banks. Lex tax laws. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. It that's just really weird to me, but a lot of those pieces

are, are things that are just super consistent over years and years. He was saying that they're going to release a bio weapon. We fucking heard him say that in 2009. Yeah. Says that all the time. The reeducation camps. That's just FEMA camp nonsense.

All this is just the same stuff that he's now using to fit the immediacy of this crisis that he has in front of him. And that's and even the talking about the fleeing. That is all he does that all the time. Well, not, not necessarily all the time, but it's still in service of this being an immediate thing. Right. Which is also a method, uh, not neuro linguistic programming

necessarily, but a way of height, uh, like sort of hacking into people's brains to make whatever argument you're trying to make more, um, uh, important, more severe than, uh, it would be heard otherwise. If you're, I mean, every, every argument that he's making usually comes down to an, uh, an adrenal, uh, an appeal to adrenaline, I suppose, because everything is always, we need to fight this or we need to run away from this.

Sure. Like that kind of thing. It's always fight or flight with that's the dichotomy in that clip. Exactly. I want to, uh, flee, but I'm staying to fight because I trust God or whatever. Yeah.

So at this point, we have a new logical fallacy. I don't know if it's new, but appeal to adrenal. I'm sure that there is a technical term for that, but, um, at this point, Alex goes out to break like this, uh, this next clip and it, it, it made me have a realization that I don't think I've ever had before and I really should have. I should have realized this earlier. Get, get locks in.

We're coming back straight ahead in defense of the Republic. I'm Alex Jones, your host, transmitting worldwide. It is to 29 and 36 seconds deep in the heart of former Texas FEMA Regents, new order occupied territory. The transmission continues from occupied zone six. Stay with us. So the realization that I had is Alex Jones is basically a militia dork.

He's really, you know, like the way he's like reveling in talking about like, we're in occupied. Yeah. FEMA region six, like all that stuff is like he is like part of it is this, uh, this sort of spy novel that he's cast himself in. Right. But the other part is, is he's a nerd.

He is a fucking nerd, but without any of the, like intellectual aspects of it. Yeah. He's just the annoying parts of nerds. Yeah. He's a civil war reenactor, but on the radio. Yeah, exactly. That's, that's a good point.

He would be like the town crier in a civil war reenactment. Yeah. If you just lied about stuff. Yeah. It's just, it, I don't hear you hear you. Everything is fine. I don't know why it stuck out so much to me, but I'm like so much of his behavior is so dorky.

It is just, it is absurd. But listening to that clip for some reason, I was like, man, what are this? Yeah, especially with a, and of course you don't recognize that because he comes off posturing is so masculine as this jock. Yeah. And then at the, at the heart of it though, he's just like a little geeky, like, man, wouldn't it be cool if I was in a militia?

Like he's that dude. Yeah. And I would assume any real militia person would probably be able to smell that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. He would get his ass kicked.

It seems like it. Yeah. Although every story he tells goes the other way, which is exactly what a dork would do. Hey, everybody, Dan here. Just wanted to take a little break in the episode to call myself out about something. So at this point in the episode, Alex has a guest on who I've

never heard on before and has the unfortunately very generic name, Matt Williams. He's on to talk to Alex just about how he loves guns. He's a guy who teaches concealed carry classes and he's just, you know, it's just fear mongering and paranoia peddling about the gun grabbers. Why have you very standard interview? Not really a whole ton worth going into, but I believed in

the lead up to this episode and my preparation. I thought I'd figured out who Matt Williams was. And so a lot of the conversation that Jordan and I had about the interview, even though the interview itself quite bland and unnotable, dealt with who I thought he was. And it turns out that after we had recorded and when I started editing up the episode, I challenged some of my own assumptions and wanted to make sure that I was correct about

the me thinking that I figured out who this guy was. And after giving it another look once over, I'm not confident that I know who this guy is. So I removed all of this stuff where we talk about him, which is why I needed to give you all this little bumper and mostly also because in this next clip, Alex is going to be talking to Matt Williams and Matt is going to say something that I think is really great and I didn't want to cut out of the

episode because I think it's an important piece of the you know what the episode, but I had to remove the stuff where I just can't stand behind it got to be on the open up about this. So yeah, I guess that's that's that's the situation. So anyway, back to the episode. So earlier in the episode, Alex talked to Jesse Ventura. He had him on and I was very interested to hear what Jesse

Ventura's take on this whole thing was. It was fine. There's that's why there's no clips of it. His response to it is it's a tragedy. Alex. It's as like fine as it can be, but at the same time he is on the side of arming teachers and stuff like that. Right. So that's not great, but it's not really helpful to any of our investigative purposes. Yeah, it's just like, Oh, you

have that dumb idea. Okay. I was really interested to hear if he came down on Alex's side on this or anything, but he he doesn't really just gave a nothing. But he does say that you should arm the teachers and actually one of his perspective ideas was take people who are, you know, soldiers in foreign countries, bring them back, give them jobs at the school where they're secretly commandos like, oh, no, have them be the janitor at the school, but they're not the predator.

This is not the predator. This is Jesse Ventura. No, this is a plot, but that is not a good plan. So that's just one of your shitty movies, Jesse. Stop it. Yeah. So that's his idea. And Alex mirrors that at least in terms of like arming the teachers and that sort of thing. And so he tries to bring this up to Matt Williams at the end of this this episode. And Matt accidentally completely destroys the argument that having teachers be armed is worth a damn.

But I mean, they know right now have the share of train and deputize whoever wants to be in the school. And then that's the end of it. That would be logical to actually implement a deputy officer. I went to a really bad high school. So we actually had a substation in our high school. Didn't stop shootings and didn't stop savings and didn't stop drug activity. So you were in what was it? Miami or South Miami, Southridge Senior High.

It was a it was back in the 80s in South Florida. So it had its problems all together. E Howard Hunt always called it Miami. So that's why I call it my grandma called it that and she's from Texas. Miami Miami. Why do you pronounce it Miami because of E Howard Hunt? Why wouldn't you? Alex, why is E Howard Hunt a linguistic reference point for

you? Weird. That is weird. And then second, the argument that Alex is making is armed the teachers have an officer in the school and Matt Williams responses like yeah, that makes sense. We had a substation in our school and it didn't do shit. Yeah. So hey, guess what from the anecdotal evidence that your gun loving guest is bringing to the table. It doesn't work.

Right. So you probably abandoned that argument. Alex, what I think we should do that that veered into silence of the lambs territory. That one that one didn't that didn't go well. Buffalo Ventura. Yeah. So that brings us to the end of the 17th and we'll jump into the 18th and there's much less to talk about on the 18th.

The 18th is so much of the same. So much just defending guns. No real nothing really to speak of necessarily at least big picture about the like is it fake? Is it not? It's still is his position is still pretty similar and most of the stuff in the episode is just not interesting at all. He has an interview with Larry Pratt, who's the guy who runs the more extreme NRA group. Great. And it's what you expect. They're just like, Hey, we love guns. Yeah, who cares? Yeah. It's not

doesn't really help anything. We've already established that firmly. We love guns in the end word. Don't worry about it. And they don't like they're not talking about Sandy Hook in any meaningful way outside of we're afraid that people are going to use it to take our guns. Right. So that said, there are a couple things that are important. And the first thing that's important is at the beginning of this episode, we get a special report from Mike Adams. Oh, no, not the health

Ranger, the health Ranger. God damn it. Why does the health Ranger involved? Well, because he loves guns to for a weird I don't understand why exactly, but they're very healthy, very healthy. He has one with a salad every morning. He is on and he's doing this this piece about basically the idea that, Hey, guns don't kill people people kill people. That sort of thing. And so what he's doing is he's the video of it is him like looking at a gun and like trying to make it go off without

his own. Fuck, it's pretty bad. It's much longer than the clip I'm going to play. But this clip should give you a sense of where he's at. And guess what it took to actually make it shoot? It took a human being touching the trigger, making a decision to pull the trigger in a safe direction. By the way, there's a backstop over that way. Are you jerking off right now? And actually having a conscious being do that. The gun didn't kill anything all by itself. Now I know what you're thinking. Maybe

maybe handguns don't automatically kill people, but maybe shotguns do. Take our Benelli M4 tactical shotgun. I'm thinking I want to make sure the camera is on your head on just about any ranch. It's also great for home defense anywhere. Let's see if we can make this shoot by itself. Shoot, shoot, shoot. The right to really take an overcomer. They're so funny. What a pathetic shotgun. I know the safety's on.

There we go. God, I want him to hurt himself so bad right now it'll kill something. I want him to shoot himself in the foot so bad. What if he did that? Please blow your own foot off. So Mike Adams is out here doing a pathetic comedy piece about how guns don't kill people trying to stress that his gun doesn't fire by itself and that a person has to do that part. On the one hand, it's kind of an example of missing the point of

what people are complaining about when they say that guns kill people. But more importantly, it's just wrong. In 2000, the year 2000, Barbara Barbara accidentally shot her nine year old son Gus with a Remington model 700. I say accidentally because she didn't even touch the trigger. The gun just went off and her son was killed. She decided to take legal action and it turned out that she wasn't the first person to experience this from Remington. A class action lawsuit

and a CNBC investigation revealed that as many as 7.5 million guns sold by Remington could be susceptible to a design flaw where the gun could accidentally fire without the trigger being pulled. They alleged that at least 100 injuries and 24 deaths were attributable to this happening. Guns going off all by themselves without being touched. The very thing that Mike Adams is mocking the idea of in this field piece. And the Remington case isn't even close to the only one. In 2013

I was I was sheriff's deputy Chris Carter sued a gun manufacturer named for Haas Torres after his PT 140 Millennium Pro pistol spontaneously discharged after it fell out of his holster. In the suit, it was discovered that nine different guns Torres produced could potentially fire if they were quote bumped or dropped or when the safety is on and the trigger is pulled. That's not good. You know, that's the type of thing where if you were a car

manufacturer and you made a car that killed people, they would sue you and then regulations would be passed. Oh, but all these all these people who have definitely not received money from the NRA consistently vote against the idea that you're able to sue gun manufacturers crazy. Yeah. This problem was estimated as potentially affecting approximately 956,000 guns in the U.S. alone. The idea that you had the safety on you pull the trigger could still shoot.

This case was settled in 2016 with Torres offering to repair or buy back affected guns. But here's where the evil aspect of this comes in. They weren't required to recall the guns and as such they didn't have to warn people about the danger that those almost one million guns posed to law-abiding completely responsible gun owners. That is fucking insane. It's not what yeah, what and the story what the fuck and the

story that brought this to light was a family whose son who was a responsible shooter ended up shooting himself because of this malfunction in a tourist gun and they were furious about the idea that like no one sent out any kind of warning that you should get your gun checked if you have one of these guns. Nobody that that God that can't be real. It's real that can't be part of the fucking crazy. It's so crazy. Part of the problem is that unlike pretty much every other product that's

sold on the market. There is no governmental body that can recall a broke ass gun. The gun lobby and people like Alex have made sure that any attempt in that direction can never go anywhere. Specifically the NRA had a close relationship with tourists which explains why they presumably a gun safety organization didn't warn their members about the danger that these defective guns posed. All this is to say that Mike Adams is a fucking idiot. Gun manufacturers rely on people like

him to muddy the water and make sure that people think all criticisms of their actions are actually veiled attempts to take everyone's guns when often the criticisms are really as simple as something like your product is defective and cause me to kill my own child and you shouldn't be able to sell a product so severely defective. That's not an attack on the Second Amendment at all. This is a conversation that like you you can't have a conversation about reasonable gun ownership

responsible gun rights until you have the same oversight that's applied to everything else applied to guns as evidence by these at least and Alex would minimize the spirit of what 24 people were killed by those Remington guns that were defective. Yes. Yes. 24 people were killed. I God damn it. God fucking damn it. And that's only that's only the ones that could be definitively traced back to this fucking crazy. That is genuinely fucking crazy. That

makes that evil. That's literally evil. It is that is the definition of literal that. Oh my fucking God. Yep. And they and the NRA is the NRA didn't even give a fuck if its members got murdered by these guns or their children or a specifically went out of their way because they fucking knew about it. So if you even if you are a gun owner, you think that you're protected by the NRA's lobbying, they're actively killing you or at least not caring as you kill your

children or yourself. Yeah, they don't care about the idea that they it's presented as a gun safety organization when issues of gun safety like this are ignored. That is disqualifying as you like you being able to call yourself that if you are a gun safety organization, then one major thing is you should be on the side of recalling defective guns because they will kill people. Yeah, it's not like I don't know maybe a defective toaster could kill somebody. It could you could get electrocuted

or something like that. But that's why they would get fucking sued and they would have to recall them. That's why they get yeah, that's why things are in place fucking lettuce gets recalled. Right. And lettuce is designed as food not as specifically put bullets in living things guns big lettuce that's unreal. Yep. Yep. Because because it's only there's only two ways to go. There's only two ways to go if you're the NRA. If you're the NRA you say we need to have these

recalled because this reflects poorly on gun owners. You would hope that's the direction they'd go right or the other direction is lobby so fucking hard you immunize every gun manufacturer to this level to this extent of just you can kill. Yeah, you can kill go for it. And articles I was reading to about that specific manufacturer tourists like their history is super messed up their parent company operates out of Brazil. And they had bought up a competitor so they

provided like 90% of the guns that were sold and produced in Brazil. And the Brazilian government has a law in place where law enforcement has to buy Brazilian made guns. Yeah. And so they're basically the sole supplier of the military and police's guns and nine of their models were completely defective, or at least potentially had the very serious risk of being completely defective. Well, in in their defense in future guns, they did market as the unsafety as

opposed to the safety. So I did watch a video two of the guy who the lawyer who was running that case, like demonstrating how the defect works, like with an unloaded gun. Yeah, it's crazy. Because it is like you you watch him very meticulously turn on the safety, and then pull the trigger. And it's like, this would have fired. Yeah, it does the exact same thing through all the safety on. Yeah. And the dude if you read interviews with him is like, while I filed my briefs and my

lawsuit, one of the things that I put very specifically into the language was that this has nothing to do with Second Amendment rights. Yeah, people's rights to have guns. This is very clearly a product quality. Yeah, exactly. And still everyone's against it. Yeah, this is just like, Hey, we are selling this Pinto. We think it's a great idea. We love it. And it turns out the car lobbies have made it so if your car explodes, we don't even have to tell anybody. That's unreal.

Keep it on the low. Unreal. Yep. messed up. Wow. So there's how did that lawyer not just like, rip his hair out, become a fucking monk. He didn't seem happy. Yeah. So there's breaking news that has developed on the 18th. And that is that a local Thai restaurant in Austin. I'm sorry, opened a new branch in Parigold, Arkansas did not know it's the owner of this Thai restaurant apparently said in a sense deleted Facebook post. And when I mean sense, I mean, by the time Alex is reporting on

it, that he fails to give a shit about the kids who died at Sandy Hook. In as much as I don't care that white children are being killed. Something along those lines. shitty. Yeah, not good. Not great. Not a good response. Not great. Pretty bad. I would say quite bad. So Alex dispatches David Knight and Jacarie Jackson, right? We got to get the dream team together to fucking really get to the bottom of this shit and politely harassed the owner of this Thai restaurant. I will

give you the bad news first. What's that? The show wasn't there. The show ends before they get back with any report. Of course. So we have no idea how that went. We might find out next episode. I'm not entirely sure. But Alex in talking about this Thai restaurant makes this statement. And he's really angry about the racism of like I don't care about these white kids being shot. Yeah, of course he is. And then he says, this proclamation about what if I did that about other groups

their pad Thai isn't even that good. I'll guarantee you folks if I got on air when there was say a gangland shooting in Chicago where a couple of black kids got killed. And if I said, who cares? They're just, you know, right now. Stop you know, paraphrase quote. I don't think that I'm not saying it. They'll cut it out of context. I would be destroyed in a matter of weeks. I would be off all my affiliates. It would be over. I mean, so at least 20 times throughout the 17th

and 18th, Alex has said, hey, with these mass shooting statistics, most of them are just gangs killing each other. So he has minimized that whole thing. Yep. In listening to it. I didn't cut those clips on my way through. And I didn't have an easy way to go back and find all of them to prove my case. And I was really worried about the idea like Alex is saying, if I minimize these gang shootings, I would be in so much trouble. I'd be off the air in a week. I was like, I

really want to demonstrate my point, but I can't go back and listen to four hours over again and find the clips. Luckily about five minutes later, he says Jesus fucking Christ. 88 dead and mass shootings. Half of those are more gang related. It's gangs killing each other and they call it a mass shooting. That's him minimizing that. And you know what he's saying. Wow. You know how his code works. Wow. Yep. It's black people killing each other. And you know how that that's fine. That's

what he's saying. Fucking wow. That's pretty crazy. He's so mad at this Thai restaurant owner. If I behave that way, I'd be off the air. Doot, doot, doot, doot. I'm behaving that way. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. I don't like siding with the guy who said he doesn't care of white children get killed. We're not. But I see where he's coming from when Alex does this shit. I'm not siding with that guy at all. I'm siding with fine with white people. I'm siding with Alex

being wrong. That's all the side I'm on. Oh, no, I'm just saying like, if you want to justify a post, look, this is this is again, the the people who are so afraid of white genocide are the people who go out of their way to give reasons for white genocide being a good idea. Perhaps like it's it's everybody else is fucking like, no, no, no, that's crazy. That's a terrible idea, except for the people who are afraid of it, who are like, what if we just colonized a country? Let's

just do that. Like fuck you. So Alex has had Larry Pratt on earlier on this episode. Like I said, we're not gonna talk anything about him because the interviews pointless. It's just I love guns, blah, blah, blah. But at towards the end of the show, Alex has another guest on who's a member of Congress. And that's interesting, because it always blows my mind when anybody from Congress shows up on Alex's show. It's weird.

I think there's a I think we often forget that there are 465 members of Congress. Yeah, I mean, this guy is in the house. There's a lot more of them. Yeah, still you would think it's a position where it would be unbecoming to go on info war away. There's so many of those guys who are fucking nuts. I understand that it's still surprising. Okay, still somehow so unpalatable to me. I mean, like house like state houses or states and people. Yeah, that's

more understandable. And that's not to impugn the state houses or state Senate or anything like that. They're just more able to fly under the radar. Exactly. There you go. That's a huge part. Yeah. But that is also another huge part of it is we're coming into it with that sort of present day awareness of Alex that maybe didn't exist so much in 2012, where there wasn't the stigma of showing up on here. And maybe this guy wouldn't get any, you know, bad feedback from it. Yeah, still weird, always

weird. Congressperson on and this is strange. It is, it is a little bit of like, I have the ability to write federal legislation means you should not be on info wars. It seems like yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, we are joined by Representative Walter B Jones. And he joins us from his seat there in the Carolinas north. And he is probably one of the best lawmakers we have in Congress. And certainly the best out of North Carolina.

He's the best out of North Carolina. Hold on to that thought for a moment. Walter B Jones was a member of the House of Representatives from North Carolina serving from 1995 to February 2019. Actually about 15 days ago from when we're recording now, when he passed away while in office. So he did die very recently. Rest in peace. His career in Congress is one that's particularly difficult to discuss in very simple terms. For instance, from 1982 to 1992, he was a member of

the North Carolina State House of Representatives, where he'd been elected as a Democrat. His father Walter Jones senior had been a member of the US House from 1966 to 1992 when he also died in office. Walter Jr decided that he wanted to run for his father's open seat, but failed running as a Democrat. So he tried again in 1994, this time running as a Republican. He used this strong anti Bill Clinton sentiment as a weapon against his opponent, Martin Lancaster, who'd been photographed

jogging with the president. And Jones wrote a wave of midterm Republican Obama's an opportunist. It's all the Democrats. They're all opportunists. He wrote that energy and came along with the 1994 takeover of the House that the Republicans did. This sort of thing seems to run through his career as a politician. The changing ideas, I mean, not giving a fuck. He was initially a firm supporter of invading Iraq, but later became a harsh critic. He's a member of the Liberty

Caucus and claimed to have libertarian values, but still cosponsored legislation to ban online gambling. Jones was the one who in March 2003 furious that France didn't support the US going to war in Iraq demanded that the Congressional cafeteria renamed French toast and French fries, freedom toast and freedom fries. Great. He was that guy. He was that guy. That's the guy. A 2005 article in The Guardian points out that the quote, the name change still in force made headlines

around the world, both for what it said about the US French relations and its pettiness. Yeah, get him that not a surprise that guy winds up on info wars by that point in 2005, Walter Jones had already soured on the Iraq war. So when asked about renaming foods, that whole thing, he said, quote, I wish it had never happened, which is a strange way to say, quote, I wish I hadn't done that. Taking responsibility away from you. No, no, no, he doesn't. It's something that happened. It

happened. It happened. It happened. I was a bystander. It also should be noted that among the list of his top donors, you'll find that he's received $53,500 from Northrop Grumman, $52,500 from Lockheed Martin and $48,200 from the NRA. The Center for Responsive Politics lists Jones as the largest recipient of NRA money among North Carolina House members with the total he received, including expenditures that they made on his behalf coming in at over $56,000. So it

probably shouldn't surprise anyone that he has an A rating from the NRA and consistently votes against any common sense regulations about gun safety. In 2007, Jones voted to ban gun registration in Washington DC and repeal the law that did exist on the books about needing to lock up guns. He voted in 2009 to make all state concealed carry permits valid in every other state, which seems to run counter to the state's rights ideas that these people profess to have. But I don't know.

Is that it? Is that what we really need to do? Like with this guy, it's just like, if, if anti gun groups have donated $48,000 or whatever, would he be anti gun? Is that really all it is? I don't think so. Because it seems like it. I think it's a huge part of it. It seems like this guy just doesn't give a fuck.

You'd also need to replace the other 50,000s that are coming from defense contractors and shit like that. All right. Fine. Is that is that what it is? Is it just a bidding war for Republican votes? I think if a lot of that money were to disappear, a lot of people's impetus to behave the way they do would disappear.

Seems like it. I think and certainly not all of them, but a lot of them. Also in 2010, Walter Jones signed a house resolution that would encourage schools and community organizations to use the Eddie Eagle gun safe program and encouraged supporting funding for the program being used in schools. The Eddie Eagle gun safe program was developed by and run entirely by the NRA.

That is a super slimy move, right? And it's just as slimy as Alex Jones having Walter Jones on his show to spread fear about how the man is coming for your guns without disclosing that he has accepted money from and tried to funnel government funds to the NRA, an organization that exists almost exclusively to disallow the possibility of having a real conversation about guns in this country. Whatever else we can say about how Alex responded to Sandy

Hook, these few days that we've heard so far clearly indicate that his number one priority was to round the wagons and pack his show with pro gun propagandists. Unreal. Yeah, dude. On fucking real. Yeah. Eddie Eagle.

It's is is there is there less evil? Is there a less evil than they could be doing? Is there some way we could distract them with keys or something? You'd hope like just jangle them over the other side and be like, ah, socialism, we're going to bring it. And then all the while like sneakily take their guns away because this is fucking unreal. It's it's pretty wild.

I don't know. I don't want to take their guns and no one really actually ever did, but they sure didn't save one more clip here. And that is at the end of the show on December 18th. Alex gets a call from somebody who lives in in Newtown and someone who their kids went to Sandy Hook. They don't go there anymore, but they went to the school and I'm going to play this clip because this clip is firmly

demonstrative that if like Alex can't ever in good conscience believe that the people at that school were actors. This clip firmly proves that he has to think that everything was real and we were involved. My I was very involved with the school. I ran the Cub Scouts. The third and fourth grade out of Sandy Hook Elementary. I live like a mile down the street.

My wife used to do the Sandy Hook Elementary School clothing lunch. We used to sell it. You know, they do stuff for Christmas and Halloween and you know, all the holidays they try to represent, you know, by having some gathering or, you know, parties at the school at night. So, you know, we're pretty involved.

We knew a lot of his teachers and I want to thank you first of all, you know, before I forget to do it, I want to thank you for everything you do and I want to thank you for putting up Victoria Soto's picture because she was actually my son after school tutor, you know, kids who are having problems with like math or whatever. She she was a tutor for him for like the last three years. He was in Sandy Hook Elementary.

So I had conversation with her twice a week. And folks that don't know who she is, tell them about her. Well, she was she was a young girl who did she was like a teacher's assistant and she did like with my son. He was having trouble with math. So she would work with the kids after school for an hour, hour and a half, you know, giving them, you know, extra tutoring, you know, bringing them up to, you know, the skills

they needed to get through their class and really good girl, very smart, you know, and my son loved working with her. You know, he didn't mind being there at all. And for folks that don't know, she saved a lot of people. Wow. And and so he's exasperated there at the end. He posted a photo of her memorializing her on info wars.com. He has this guy who's calling in thanking him for that whose

kids went to the school and don't go there anymore because they're they've aged out. He's talking about years in the past that they went to Sandy Hook Elementary School in order for Alex to pivot his narrative into believing that people were actors and this was staged, which we do know is an eventual endpoint. He gets to he has to then believe that they were actors planted in that school for years.

This guy has experience with these the people who she died. Yep. Victoria Soto died at that school and this guy knows that. He knows her. I don't I don't I just it's important to it's important to nail some of those things down in terms of his like how far it must fall because that is in a vacuum a human response that he had to that caller.

Yep. In a vacuum that is okay that saying that she saved children's lives absolutely. Amen. You know giving a respectful hearing to this guy who again you know Alex Jones's callers are always going to come with a grain of skepticism but I listened to his entire call. I don't see any red flags.

He has a lot of details and seems as a very natural way of speaking about his experiences. Yeah, I don't he doesn't strike me in the same way as a lot of Alex's bullshit callers do so I'm ready to accept whatever he's saying and so is Alex Alex accepts this this is the reality the reality is tragedy whatever he wants to make on top of that tragedy in order to defend his guns and his admitted Lee fucked up fears about a civil war that may come from

the taking of the guns whatever the case is. Here's what here's the way I want to say this better. The recognition that you see in that clip is what he exploits if that makes sense the fact that we know and we can see that he knows that this is real and this 27 year old teacher at that school was murdered and he knows he knows that that is that is a building block of his lies and that makes it so much worse to me and that's why you have to be fair to him that's

why you have to be fair to him because it makes it so much worse the same thing we know that we go we go over a lot we talk about a lot is the like the lies that people tell about Alex Jones are often spiritually true but they lack certain amounts of accuracy and the nuance and the accuracy make it worse than the broad you know Alex Alex lied about Sandy Hook yeah spiritually true yeah when you dig into the muck a little bit you you see the ways that he lied about it

and you see the awareness that he had to have known he's lying about it it it's just it make it goes from opportunistic to inhuman yeah it's just really really fucking gross it's hard to like like no matter how many times you're confronted with the reality of trafficking women you're you're every time you're just blown away by how cruel and stupid and pointless human beings can treat other human beings sure you know and and it's the same way with Alex in this situation where you

just you're just looking at that going like how could a human being do that what rationalizations do you have to go through every single night to make it okay for you to wake up in the next the next day you know like it's it it's so impossible to to really enter the mind of somebody who is willing to watch more children die well and not willing to but actively making it so more children will die well I think the only explanation for it and it comes back to what I was

saying earlier is that he has to convince himself or he has to have convinced himself that they are trying to do this to get guns which will lead to a civil war which will lead to way more kids being killed or whatever and a greater risk to my children so if you frame it that way there is an empathic argument or something you know like there is like an argument from the saving lives perspective that you could talk yourself into that the problem with that and the reason I

have a problem with that is that it's such an extreme this will lead to that it's an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence and backing yeah and I can't imagine being able to convince yourself that that was the reality without reading all of these things when you are also somebody who only reads headlines and then reports as if you understand all and everything about all this stuff how do you convince yourself that a civil war is coming and

that's what I'm fighting against like how do you how do you not have like well I'm not sure about how do you not have the humility or the sort of presence to just be like this is what I think I might I might be way off on this it the most gross part about this I think is that we're talking about Alex Jones this is what you would expect from Alex Jones you know like we've got to about where what you'd expect to see is happening exactly not finally it's only been a few no but

but the the and this is part of what makes it so difficult now is even in 2012 Alex Jones you expect to minimize the depths of children you expect Alex Jones to do all of these awful things because he's Alex Jones that's where he's supposed to exist that was the exact same time every theoretically reasonable Republican was doing the exact same shit that Alex Jones was doing dissembling to try and protect guns in any possible way they could this was not Alex Jones being Alex

Jones this was Alex Jones reflecting mainstream Republican thought probably being a little ahead of the curve yeah honestly but yeah still there yeah this is not this is not some dude out on the fringes no but that also might be a part of why he has to go further because he is still himself and maybe that right maybe that's a factor of this that we'll we'll see as we move along is realizing like I'm not getting the same adrenaline shot that I usually get from being crazy

from right just defending guns because everyone else is yeah I'm not supposed to set myself apart from the pack but they're all crisis actors or whatever yeah it's got to be something so I think we've seen I think I think first of all this isn't a hundred percent an investigation to find out when he says people are actors or anything like that right because I think that that is a common misconception that that's the only negative about his coverage I think we've all I think we've

already seen a lot of real negatives and infinite amount of negative and I think that we you see on the first couple episodes of this him trying to find his footing and then finding it a little bit on Sunday but the evolution that it's taken on Monday and Tuesday here with this like he's being much more overt about thinking it was fake and that the government did it he's bringing in he's introducing new narratives about CNN reporting days before about gun

stuff as a priming the pump kind of thing and then having these paid gun people on in order to help reinforce his narratives I think you're seeing a pivoting towards like him and knowing what he's doing more and I think that's interesting I think that's a great point I think that that's really interesting and I think that you could make a demarcation line on just on the 17th or 18th I'm willing to sort of say it's vague between you about when like things really the wheels

fell off the wagon there was still a chance he could have righted the ship based on just his his rank speculation on the day of right he probably could have found his center and then on Sunday he's even saying I kind of think that the official story is right right that sort of thing right so all the way to the next day and the day after he's just yep and I think yeah so I'm I'm interested to see how quickly it deteriorates further but for now it's not good disgusting disgusting so

what's not disgusting is our website nicely all right it is all right it's at knowledge fight dot com indeed it is what about our Twitter page it's knowledge underscore fight what about Facebook we are there we have a group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant how about itunes we're there yep you can subscribe rate review all that wonderful belly who here's the biggest problem so far with our Sandy Hook investigation not a lot of people who haven't killed

me not a lot of people who haven't killed a guy I bet that Walter Jones didn't kill anybody do you yeah I mean he was a North Carolina House State House member for years and that's how you get initiated into the state house you gotta get like jumping someone have you not seen what's going on in North Carolina right now I don't know about this in North Carolina why don't you regale me with a story well now North Carolina did every year since 1874 that was the first state House

election where they all decided that the only way that the North Carolina State House was going to work is if everybody agreed to kill a guy so they all got together so you get they were hoots between each other they they were these big robes and they just fucking man I don't know I'm so sad I'm so sad this is so miserable Rita Sklar the executive director of the ECLU in Arkansas killed anybody I guarantee she has not killed anybody no and she actually should be

someone Alex looks up to because of her behavior in trying to fight back against SWAT teams mirroring martial law that Alex is so afraid of she's never killed anybody but one guy technically probably has and that's Alex Jones and Ian Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding so Alex I'm a first-time color I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you