Knowledge Fight - #270: The Rogan Return

Episode Date: March 1, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan don't want to do it, but they discuss Alex Jones' recent appearance on the Joe Rogan podcast. Most of the conversation is about how Alex is a mentally unwell person, but a fair amount is also about how Joe is incredibly stupid and allows Alex to lie to him a bunch. Oh well.

andy in chansas you're on the earth for holding well i like some of the same color in the future and i love your work i love you hey everybody welcome back to knowledge flight i'm dan i'm jordan we're couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk about alex jones oh indeed we are dan who jordan dad jordan what i should tell you that uh... this is an interesting uh... instance we have an actual novelty novelty beverage indeed we do always want

to know what our novel novelty beverages and oh yeah it's you know like a IPA that we've drank a bunch of time right it's not novel well we've run out of different IPAs at the liquor store and they don't have anything other than bud light after that that's not not that's not novel at all today we've got kickstart by mountain dew energizing watermelon and i can report happily this tastes terrible yes this is garbage we're getting sponsors fuck you mountain dew we're recording in the middle of the day indeed us we uh... need uh... nice kickstart of hydration and watermelon

oh yeah um anyway i'm sorry did you have a question um i was just gonna ask you if you've ever lied about how much money you make yeah or inflated your self-worth i don't think so i think i've only deflated it yeah yeah even what i've made like next to nothing i still feel like ashamed i feel ashamed that like i've made like 20 000 a year at a job or something like that uh i can pay my bills actually nothing yeah yeah that's no i don't think i've ever lied about making more yeah about something i mean you know you live 30 something years i bet there is

a time i did but i can't think well like maybe back when i had a paper route i might have lied and said like i make 40 grand a year i started my own paper in order to have a paper that might be a stretch too far but yeah something like that i just said like i make 200 dollars a week or something like that when in reality i was making nothing ah that's possible i don't know i don't think i've ever lied i i think uh i don't think i've ever lied about anything about anything i'm just not a liar i buy it that's i'm a people know me as a straight

shooter dan okay um but yeah i think i've lied about my self-worth but that was as uh you're talking about specifically financial self-worth yeah yeah yeah i've never lied about myself worth which is next to nothing i have lied about myself worth but that's called keeping a stiff upper lip yeah that's uh showing that old british resolve on the inside it's like a man one more bad thing and i'm out of this life i'm doing okay on the outside hi how are you right i think i've lied in like a job

interview in order to get more money from them i think that's not called lying that's a job interview yeah fair yeah um so this is a podcast guys where i know a lot about alex jones uh and i don't know anything about alex jones yep that's uh that's the dynamic that we have betwixt us um now today we've got an interesting episode to go over and uh i think we're gonna have uh some fun and some black along the way but before we do straight up fun just giving some shout outs to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show that's fun that is so first of all like say thank

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to reward this behavior yeah but unfortunately he he uh whatever whatever i i have a lot of thoughts and we'll get to them but alex was on the the j re uh on uh on wednesday uh joe rogan embarrassment great i'm uh going to now start looking at it nicely nicely because this is embarrassing this episode is really deeply embarrassing like all across the board everyone comes out looking bad like rogan looks like he is an enabling fuckhead right and alex which we know he is if you watch this episode and you don't come away from it thinking like alex jones is a deeply disturbed human being he is really really fucked up and he is dealing with some intense um internal emotional mental health type issues i don't know how you're dealing with reality like right you can you can

be intrigued by his conspiracies and think he's funny and all this stuff oh you can do that all day long that if you're paying attention you listen to the things he's saying he's describing a deeply thought pattern a deeply disturbed uh human it's so fucked up and joe is just faking him on laughing yeah yeah yeah he's not like dude get fucking help please yeah because some of the times i think he thinks that alex is joking when he it does not appear that he is um and then well we all know life's very fragile and then other times rogan's just high so right well you know there's smoking some tobacco in studio sure sure alex keeps being like let me have some of that tobacco as if it's not a fucking video podcast um he's he's very i don't know how much he's very

discreet i don't know how much that was just trying to be cute i'm not gonna i'm not gonna judge i don't really give a shit no of course not i tried to make some like little beginning notes that i wanted to talk about before we got into this just to give some of my broad feelings about this i think we touched on them already that this is embarrassing right um but it's kind of a smart move too because he knows that both of them know that it's gonna work out well for them right in terms of attention and uh like clicks and stuff like that they both win in the end the again the inevitable conclusion of the joe rogan alex jones piss off yeah so there's a large part of me that thinks that even covering this is kind of a bad idea or at least in some ways it's a

pointless exercise but at the same time i don't see how we're in alex jones podcast and we somehow get away with not covering this that's a good point you know what i'm saying yeah and if we're covering like a modern day thing which i intended to do for this episode like alex was out of studio because he flew to la to do this uh the podcast so like this is a modern day thing so here you go here's where we are all right it's entirely possible that alex and joe's fight was entirely fake but if i had to guess from watching this and seeing the way that the two of them behaved in the lead up to this i would say that it was fake from alex's side and sincere from joe's i think joe was scared for a friend who was lashing out at him in an attempt to get attention and he dealt

with it exactly the wrong way by caving in and giving him the attention that he was demanding alex literally threatened to politically murder joe on air he accused joe of just having mob connections that were all of his uh you know like running bitcoin scams and fun uh all that shit being in bed with jack dorsi like jack dorsi runs his show with his cash app sure the accused him of covering up satanic pedophile rings talked about aspects of joe's personal life that he was clearly told to keep private and all of that uh incredibly inappropriate and in fact abusive behavior was not only not punished it was rewarded it's going to be really hard to imagine a scenario in the future where alex doesn't think that throwing a tantrum is the right way for him

to get exactly what he wants yeah he's a child it's been reinforced uh and maybe it has been endless times yeah i don't know on this episode alex begins the show with a glass of straight tito's vodka in hand and he gets pretty drunk pretty early neat neat neat tito's vodka on ice oh okay but still well that's that's more acceptable right it's just still straight vodka right right which i tweeted and one of the only tweets um kind of proud of is the only thing i'm surprised by in this podcast is that alex is drinking clear liquor that is a good point it is like weird it's like well they probably started in the morning you got to start with clear liquor in the morning started at noon uh california time yeah exactly i think like on on some levels

like i'm not i'm not mad at you like i understand liking to get a buzz and shit like that but at the same time you're doing a show where you're going to end up talking about satanic pedophiles and screaming about alien demons and stuff like that you want to be taken seriously don't be drunk at noon well that's why you got to start with the clear liquor and then around four or five you can switch to the brown liquor he's also like he's got a fucking handle okay that's not good it's he's got a handle it's a huge bottle of tito's that's not good and it does appear that he makes pretty good progress through it okay oh no yeah so they proceed to record for five hours and as you can expect there was a lot said and it would be pretty much impossible for us to cover it

all in one episode of our show without it becoming as long as our goddamn end game coverage that is to say that there are probably points of the show that listeners will think we missed and to that i say fair enough i i tried to prioritize looking at things that alex and joe discussed that provide new information to us and i need to even give this caveat that i don't necessarily believe most of the stuff alex is going to say it's hours and hours of a drunk idiot talking shit so yeah that's pretty much a good way to describe the info wars too that's true that's that's branding but in the same way that like when i listen to an episode of alex's show and he talks about narratives we've covered a hundred times i don't see a real benefit in covering it again right there's a lot of things

that he ends up talking about that it's like wow we talked about that or even stuff that he said the last time he was on rogan's show yeah so like there's a bunch of stuff like hey who cares and some people might be like why didn't you talk about that i promise you if we didn't talk about it there's a five percent chance that i missed it and there's a 90 percent chance that i just thought like who cares and then there's another five percent chance that wild card wild card explanation take your pick that could be anything yeah dealers choice so here's what's really important to keep in mind all of this exists only for alex to give publicity that he does not have access to anymore on his own alex has a major problem on his hands namely that he's running out of ways to attract

people into his financial web and joe is one of the only solutions that he has left to his problem if he reaches a point where he can't manipulate new people into his little marketplace then it's game over and it's just a waiting game to see how long he can delay the audience that he has from leaving him that's all this episode is about alex is trying to sell himself to joe's audience to an extent that it seems almost incidental to alex that joe is even there except to be a prop someone whose mind he can blow i would put it like this alex is the cut co knife salesman and joe is the penny that gets cut through to demonstrate how good his knives are okay basically yeah that's kind of how i feel when i listen to this episode it's almost like

joe is trying to deal with it from a human standpoint of like you're my friend i think you're great we just didn't talk enough and that's why you got mad at me trying to reach trying to reach rapprochement and alex and alex is there to pay lip service to that and then at the same time steamroll and talk about here's here's what's really going on in the world because he wants joe's audience he doesn't want joe yeah he's willing to joe realize that alex isn't actually his friend i don't think he does i don't think he really like alex was screaming on air not a couple weeks ago on his own show about how my big mistake was i i just i became your friend i i i never liked you i didn't like you yeah like that sort of shit like and sure it's childish acting out to

try and get a response from joe but at the same time when you say shit like that i don't know they don't have and you can tell from listening to this that they don't have as deep a relationship as would deserve that kind of patience yeah and that kind of chance right like whenever they talk about any of their they're like oh do you remember that they have one fucking story oh that's not good every single time they talk about like oh remember the good times it's that one time that they ran around in george bush masks right right all right that's that's great that's it that's the only fucking story that they ever bring up of like aren't we great friends i i wasn't that the plot of band of brothers i think that's why they became so close you know it could be it that's a

life-changing moment and it's a bond that you can never break i don't disagree so here we go we're gonna jump in and of course one of the big sticking points for joe not wanting to have alex back on his show had been that he realized that alex was lying even to him about what he said about sandy hook alex gave joe the line that like oh he just had debates we just heard both sides that sort of thing and joe on his own show in past episodes has made the point that uh one of the things that i had a problem with is that i heard the clips i went back and i i listened to stuff and i saw that alex was lying to me about sandy hook and so right at the beginning of the show they they start discussing their fight a little bit and then get into uh after this clip uh the

immediate elephant in the room that is alex lied about sandy hook alex jones we're live wow it's good to be back for the uh second visit it's good to be here man it's good to see you we've got truck meeting with kim jong-un we've got the uh cohen hearings in congress a lot of energy going on wow things are happening planets are aligned uh we should tell everybody that you and i had well first of all we had a long conversation on the phone which led to just a lot of talk you were driving to vegas a few weeks you know we talked like an hour and then we decided to do another podcast and we cleared the air on the phone we decided to clear the air more in a podcast there's a lot of things going on that's not good no that's not how our relationship works

we talked for 90 minutes about how you threaten to murder me on your show and then uh essentially made criminal accusations against me and uh talked about my family in ways that i have made it clear is not for public discussion you betrayed my confidence on air we had a 90 minute conversation so let's clear the air on a podcast well uh i'm sorry that's it i bet i bet i bet joe rogan just talked for 90 minutes and that uh or 89 minutes and then one minute was alex going yeah yeah well it's all done or alex crying like probably like i can't get my message out to the world i'm innocent right right right 90 minutes of him just like being a sad sack and rogan being like well maybe my friend really is in pain or something like that sure because alex performatively

expresses these these emotions that humans have yeah yeah that he that he has learned how to replicate right so that is that's how we got to where we are now that's the the first part that a 90 minute conversation with joe strived to vegas because he didn't he you know what his xm was out yeah why not just fucking talk to alex joe's for an hour and a half i can tell you already from the first from the jump this is stilted and uncomfortable it is they are not on the same page at all and it doesn't get better until about two hours in and uh we'll see when the when the when the vodka gets good to him nope vodka was good for him from the jump okay sure you have that there's a rogue variable that comes into play about two hours into the show pcp uh yep okay bingo um so here we go

this is the point at which uh right at the beginning of the show rogan brings up sandy hook and asks alex to make a statement clarify yes the thing that people are upset about you the thing that we wanted to talk about like quick to get it over with or not not quick but just to get it up front people are not upset they are doing you yes is the sandy hooks yes yeah so your take on it just give me your take on it well first off because it's always misrepresented first off i'm going to lie and there i love whenever first off i'm about to lie to you i always expect if someone says first off i expect the next sentence to be uh fuck your

bitch in the click you put in west side when we ride come equip with game i'm certain it's going to be hit him up i'm always thinking first things first i'll eat your brains and then i'm gonna start rocking gold teeth and chains see first things first makes me think uh chocolate starfish that's my man friend different references that we have very different places that we're coming we have too much to get through we cannot dwell on this okay okay okay a real tragedies and i believe parkland happened cool and you believe sandy hook up absolutely and now just last year the media came on said alex jones says parkland didn't happen and he's sending people to parkland parents houses and there was no video no audio wasn't true i think i said i believe parkland happened

so i'm not going to be the mass shooting denial guy you i have been branded as the sandy hook i mean imagine a final cut pro video editing timeline and you go back almost it was seven years ago this is more than seven years now and the internet didn't believe some of the things about sandy hook i started covering it weeks after my first articles and things are all this will be used for gun control and i bet the guys on prozac and a mental patient which he was we already know just from looking at the days after sandy hook on our own show that that's a complete lie i know how does joe not know that he's being lied to again i don't know like he's trying to have him clear the air and explain like what are the things that were that were weird you know like what what

why is it okay what you're saying that sort of thing said on his show that he was mad that alex was lying to him and then he brings alex on to his show to alex to lie to him to sort of refine his life yeah that's pathetic like the idea that his like listeners or people on the internet or whatever were things that he was responding to sure i'm willing to buy that i mean you should have a better editorial policy in terms of what you report on number one and then number two the timeline is completely jacked he's saying weeks later right it was the day of he started saying it was fake and then uh five days later on december 19th insinuating that it was fake the day of right he came to a solid position a couple days after that yes yeah very quick and then on december

19th 2012 five days after he started suggesting that they were actors yep so he cannot make this claim here this is bullshit and joe allows it to go unquestioned which is a very serious problem just out of the gate uh i think i i think the two of them are gonna work themselves up into like possibly a new lawsuit uh by the time this is over i was just thinking uh should alex be talking about this no he's currently being sued over this right no and actually that's that's roger stone he should have a gag order on him one sentence or not one it's not a sentence but one clip we're gonna hear i really think could be actionable uh like in addition to like as he we'll get to it when we get to it but it was pretty troubling is joe actually secretly a mastermind who is

getting alex to continue to dig his own grave i don't think so because this would be a much shorter episode because he knocks that out in the first 15 minutes uh so here in this next clip alex blows his timeline again about sandy hook and we know that from looking back at the episodes like this is just demonstrably not true about a couple weeks into it my listeners and others are sending me all these anomalies and things and later turn out some anomalies weren't accurate and then i just moved on from it okay i mean i'm not adam lanza i didn't kill those kids but when i'm on the streets now people don't know adam lanza is the guy that killed those kids they think it's me they say i can't believe you're not in prison is what you did to sandy hook

all they know is alex showing sandy hook good kids so well i don't think that's i think the majority of them are angry because the narrative has been that you're sending people to these sandy hook families homes exactly and i'm not that i never have that you're responsible for these people getting harassed because you said on your radio show we're gonna go with the latter yes there is video and audio of me saying i can see how people don't think it happened and i can see how people think it's synthetic because there's been stage events before that then gets edited put together cobbled together but i never said go to people's houses i never said go investigate did you ever say that you think it's not real yes i did but now you do think it's real because i learned

some of the anomalies were not accurate because you're bad at your job you're fucking bad at this like that's that's what he's saying he's saying like yeah i just i just believe bullshit and i really hurt people but i won't take responsibility for that the tape of me saying that it's actors is fucking edited yep it's not no you could go to the the entire episode the video is still there it is not edited at all he's telling a call at least that 2015 instance yeah absolutely not edited at all he's dodging responsibility while trying to again performatively accept responsibility and that's pathetic and not only that but we did hear in our days after sandy hook that people need to go investigate and hire private investigators yeah so you lied again you piece of

shit it's that thin line of like i didn't send people to their houses i just suggested that people need to investigate yeah well he just said that he didn't say people need to investigate yeah that's a good point yeah he already but he could fall back on the argument of like i met professionals i met the fbi needs to be investigating this i was just so imprecise in my language sure it could easily be interpreted as saying amateur gum shoes should get out there and uh stalk people i i feel like i'm i don't know why but i've got this like uh vision of me being joe rogan's dad and being like if people are constantly lying to you they're not really your friends joe you need to cut bait with them and run and he never learned dan no joe rogan never took

my advice when i was his dad well since uh we are we are all our ancestors by default we are all everybody simultaneously or something i don't know um so there are four ways to learn joe tries to get alex to understand uh that there is a tendency among people particularly people who have certain forms of mental illness he's speaking way too broadly uh in terms of saying like schizophrenics love conspiracy theorists oh boy it's a little bit too general but the point he's trying to make is that there are people in the world who believe that everything is fake and that you can get into that system and then alex piggybacking on that accepts that he was kind of that way before kind of and was before right those are some problems as opposed to now when he never he's trying to

pretend that years back he realized that he was falling into that trap and uh he discusses that in this next clip and it's fucking stupid but i kind of realized a few years ago that i kind of had my own mild psychosis in that when you've been lied to by the media and the culture so much over and over again everything then starts becoming automatically you're sure it's fake and then everything you see fits into that this is probably again four or five years ago i began to realize because i was on the receiving end people pulling up in white vans with guns at my office saying i know you put a microchip in my head i'm gonna kill you and so it was kind of like once i got super famous it was like whoa now the important thing about that is alex only is saying that he

realized that he was in this pattern of believing everything is fake and that's bad because he became the victim of conspiracy theories basically his listeners started treating him the way that they treated the people that alex lied about and he then was like oh my god this is awful but at no point is he dealing with the fact that he created these or encouraged these tendencies in people he's just saying it as sort of an abstract people are like that as opposed to like my entire modus operandi my entire business model is encouraging this behavior in people and then once it was directed at me i realized oh this isn't good but then i didn't change my behaviors but i'm gonna pretend i did yeah exactly yeah he's uh he's not uh a good uh person

he doesn't have a very large vocabulary i prefer a good lineal he knows a number of words that he uses weirdly yeah but that's definitely true he knows a lot of five dollar words that he throws in very strangely i'm just saying that if i were telling the story of people in white vans showing up at my studio with guns pointed at me my reaction would not be it was like whoa unless you're black rob that's possible then it's like whoa it is like but everything's like whoa that's like whoa yeah um so in this next clip i think that you're getting a sense here that alex is sort of like paying lip service to the idea that he did things wrong uh and he's like i i blew it but he's also saying that it's because people gave him bad information which is dodging responsibility

to some extent and then more than that he seems to be painting the picture that he's the real victim in the whole thing what well of course he is he only became aware that his behaviors were maybe a mild psychosis because he became victimized by them which is drawing attention away from the real victims of his rhetoric and his behavior uh but this next clip i thought was a little bit beyond the pale this one i'll say about sandy hook i legitimately questioned it when people brought up anomalies i then had debates about it on both sides the internet pushed me to keep covering and i probably covered it 20 times in the first few years it happened and then as soon as i questioned it uh not being staged i got attacked so much that i said screw it smash shootings happen

i believe it happened but then media would call me or or interview me and say okay but tell us the anomalies of why you questioned they were getting me to say it again not that i didn't have the right to question it but they they thought well alex jones versus dead kids alex jones denying it alex jones are asking families this is a perfect way to get this guy who's so popular getting people to question and getting people to think and so it took me years i think i'm smart i guess i'm not to figure out what was going on so when hillary a few months not told the life speech it says alex jones has a dark heart uh he knows sandy hook kids died but he says they didn't and he sends people to their houses he's the worst guy in the world

so i came out and i said listen i never sent anybody to the houses but i apologize it was taken out of context people to write your question but i i'm sorry for the families and i'm sorry for your hurt and i get it and i've experienced crazy people now big time just like you have please stop saying that i'm saying it didn't happen see this is this is the the muddying that joe is still allowing him to do people weren't saying that he was still saying it they were discussing the lingering damage of him saying it consistently in the past when it mattered that's what the people were talking about and no one was trying to bait him into saying these things so they could take shit out of context that's him creating a victim narrative for himself about this that somehow

trumps the the actual event it's so pathetic the the damage that i've done over and over and over again that's not even really my fault i was tricked i was cajole i was the anomalies were fake it was all it was all something that happened to me and so i don't you know i apologize for it and it's over right you can stop suing me can you can you stop suing me could everybody just stop suing me real quick yeah i apologize i said i'm sorry how many shut up after i did that you don't get to argue that like the anomalies were fake and that gets you off the hook because you were reporting them and screaming about how they were real that is the problem i understand that you were tricked believe me you're preaching to the choir i think you're an idiot you fall for things all the time

true that is not news to me it's not exculpatory in any way that is just that is descriptive it is not excusing but at the same time and also it is to be included in his crimes yeah yeah i mean i guess you could i get you know what really what i think he's trying to do is trying to build an argument that takes away intent from his uh yeah because i think a big part of defamation comes down to like you intentionally maligned these people right and if he tries to get this little uh this wedge in there of like i uh i was misled by bad information i came from a sincere place and you know hey what are you gonna do maybe maybe he's trying to get that legal standard diminished right and and joe is allowing him to do that when you go back and you look at it that's

not that does not accurately describe how he behaved uh that is not uh okay so actually joe's an accessory to what i would describe as almost obstruction of justice at this point if that's something that exists within civil cases i don't think i'm not sure it does i don't think it does um so in this next clip joe asks alex if he wishes he'd done something different and not get sued that's not alex doing that he certainly wishes he wasn't being sued um but uh his answer is interesting and then again she did something different oh my god in hindsight absolutely but again i legitimately didn't think my show was as powerful as it was but it wasn't retrospectively you know looking at everything i was doing as much as i should nobody's perfect i mean as you get older

you grow and you learn things i'd like to remind everybody that in 2009 three years before uh this sandy hook stuff alex was screaming about how his uh show had changed the world i was gonna say yeah he said so many times that he has like two billion listeners fuck you and even in the day after the sandy hook i believe it was the day after or the two days after he was screaming about how they had helped bring back gun culture and then went out to break screaming we're winning we're winning we're winning absolutely so influential leaders listened to this show to find out what's happening i interviewed a congressman yeah they're like there is like that doesn't match at all and i think it's a very pathetic angle to take it's like i didn't understand how influential my show was

meanwhile i screamed for years about how i'm the most influential show in the world we are the leaders and patriot radio freedom talk is us so now here's another thing one thing that's super important to consider about alex's protests that he didn't know how big his show was and then he had no idea he was hurting people is the fact that in late january 2013 lenny posner the father of a victim at sandy hook sent alex an email lenny had been being harassed by conspiracy theorists already at that point so he told alex quote haven't we had our share of pain and suffering i used to enjoy listening to your shows now i feel your type of show created these hateful people and they need to be reeled in he was saying that in reference to the fact that he used to love listening to alex

he was a fan of his show yeah until uh man it ruined his life that is such an unfortunate irony so he sent alex an email within like a month or so of probably about a month after sandy hook when these consequences were starting to show up in his life and were really terrible alex didn't reply but his assistant wrote back and said quote alex has no doubt this was a real tragedy of course after that response email alex continued to peddle the idea that sandy hook was fake and no one died there he posted an article with the headline quote fbi says no one died at sandy hook which was an intentional misrepresentation of murder statistics uh basically had to do with like where they were uh the the murders were classified right whether it was in the city

or the county right the statewide numbers stuff like that they uh it it's a classic we'll deal with it in more detail when it comes up uh in our 2012 coverage well alex's email uh you know his assistant did write in the email it is a real tragedy parentheses that the government staged it and you're an actor and parentheses it was a it was a very it was a very different email and then in brackets off the record yeah so then of course we know that as recently as 2015 he was telling callers that uh that was all actors completely synthetic no one died there i thought the kids died there but after i looked at it i realized it was all actors those actions came after a parent of a murdered child reached out to him and made him very aware of the damage he was doing all of

these excuses to the effect of like i didn't know what i was doing i didn't know i was so influential fall on completely deaf ears one of the victims who was affected by his behavior had made it clear to him that this is something that uh is a problem and uh he didn't care i think we have intent yeah no totally yeah he didn't care at all he was aware all this is bullshit and joe is allowing him unquestioningly to put this forth as like i didn't know how influential i was i was a younger man bullshit bullshit so uh they at this point they start talking about how like they had a little conversation pre-show and that alex didn't didn't know what he wanted to say like he didn't uh so this is just kind of funny because it

indicates how rude alex is you know we even talked before we went on air about what am i gonna you know i mean alex what do you want to say today so you can help me get it out i don't know i'm only i want to say a bunch of things i'm only learning how this works being in the process of it and it's giving me a much bigger view than i knew 23 years ago when i first got on air because i've experienced what other people have said these bad things i did experience i did it from a good heart i know i believe questioning was okay i was covering other people questioning so more excuses more nonsense but that i love that like i didn't know what i was gonna say i have a lot i'd like to say i don't care who gives a shit you're a prop you're a prop and even in the

beginning of that clip expressed exactly what his goal is you're letting me get my message out on your show yeah we had a conversation we had a conversation before the show about what i can help you spread what lies i can help you get out in the fucking ether sphere and the only debate i think that's relevant and i don't really have a position on is how much joe is aware of the fact that he's being lied to again yeah and it what to what extent is he a knowing participant in allowing alex to lie to everybody more i don't know that's a debatable open question who knows oh joe oh joe so they jump off the sandy hook stuff now and i think uh i think we got a pretty clear picture that alex is just trying to equivocate dodge responsibility while looking penitent in

some ways yeah and it's a disgrace and he's lying even still about the timeline about what he did about his intentions all of that stuff this is just this is a disgrace people really gotta learn how to apologize when they're psychopaths that's a bad no because i think this works for most people who don't know any better i think most people who are like who are listening to this or joe's audience probably are like you know what that's that's real big of him that's real big of him fuck off because he was at least willing to admit that he wishes he'd done something differently that takes a lot that takes a big man to say that it does not take a big man no it doesn't it does not especially when saying that is in service of promoting a further life yeah that would be so infuriating to

me that right there that apology regardless of whether or not he's even telling the truth like even if he was telling the truth he is not saying i am not making excuses for my behavior i'm giving you reasoning i'm explaining it yeah i am fully taking uh responsibility for what i've done i'm fully taking responsibility for what's been done to the sandy hook families no he's saying that's not really my fault there's no ownership that's not a that's not an apology no none that's fucking pathetic absolutely so uh in this next clip we find out where things went wrong for alex in terms of the present troubles that he's in birth mm-hmm when i aligned with trump that's an all hell brockless yeah yeah that was part of it i think that was definitely illery admits she

looked at my whole bio and said sandy hook hit him on that bullshit now when did she admit that you still can't get to trump to you did she call you and i i just i it becomes a big issue i mean i obviously communicate with surrogates and people who talk to trump roger i mean don jr was on tucker crawls when i was talking about me and saying what happened to me is wrong and okay so now he's out at don jr is talking to him too which is okay that's cool man yeah so well he's already out of that whenever he was like but i also can't talk about my source but i also don't know trump jr but i also don't think that's true anymore probably yeah i bet that that's also in the same way that he's saying i don't talk to trump anymore right i bet that maybe don jr gave him information

two years ago right or something like that but i'm positive at this point he they're not in communication no that's what i'm referencing whenever whenever he said i can't but yeah he only talked to him because of sernovich right exactly so like yeah that was which is stupid i don't like any of the the dumbness involved in that like it's it's a long line of incredibly stupid people in a fucking daisy chain game of telephone it's a game of broken telephone yeah um so it wouldn't be in alex jones appearance if he didn't start complaining about the chinese um and so sure at this point he starts yelling about china and google working together uh um it sure it's fine yeah it's not a great good call but joe knows some people at google and has spoken to them

and he tries in a hot tub i actually believe joe because he has information as opposed to dumb fucking stories about running into globalists and airports and hot springs um but joe tries to explain to alex why google is working with china in the capacity that they are and in a way that we would probably not be comfortable with and actually joe is even like i don't know if i think this is a good idea but here's the explanation for why they're doing it which i think is a fair way to present things well let me tell you something because i knew someone who worked at google i know someone who used to work at google i should say their thought process was that google is going if they don't bring google to china in a censored form they're going to copy google this was their

real the real worry because china copies everything i mean they're intellectual copyright law yeah but then they're just gonna steal it better now true but this is what they're saying think about that joe but let me let me explain something from the point of view of google as a business and i don't necessarily i'm not saying i agree with this because i don't make more apple juice get some apple juice in your system fella it's important it's important some more titos that's at least his second or third glass of titos jesus jesus completely unwilling to hear joe's argument from you know from experience and knowing somebody there that like here's here's why they're agreeing to work with them and like i said i don't i didn't include it in here

because this isn't a show really about joe rogan's positions but he does say that like i don't think that that's necessarily a good idea but they're not doing it in order to build a worldwide censorship right right all right that that sort of thing like so he's pushing back a tiny bit uh towards alex's rhetoric but not nearly enough and it's clearly ineffective right well you can already see that alex is not listening no alex when joe is talking alex is not listening not to the point where you didn't need to say i need to get another drink no you could have not said it no but he has to interject there because it's it's a power move it's a it's a whole like you can say whatever you want but i'm i'm i'm drunk when i talk i blow minds yeah when you talk my mind

turns off because you are a dumb dumb gorilla you're you're just some kind of thing you're a thing i am one of the elite i am elevated above you for sure and actually alex says something later that really almost made me have a spit take about how great he is uh we'll get to it okay but of course in the same way that if alex is on chinese are gonna take it on the chin also if alex is on yeah which they're which they're really pissed off about it they hate taking it on the chin from alex especially imaginary of haymaker yeah yeah but if alex is on he's also gonna talk about chimeras i'm fine with that so he gets into talking about chimeras and of course because this is a show where there's no time to do research there's no time to respond to anything

you just got jamie behind the board who like will google something alex has the presentation of a good argument that there are uh pig human uh hybrids and and wombs and stuff like that if you go and just google the basic information fine you're right yeah lying about it but there isn't enough time on the show to get the nuance get the detail of it and so alex's suppositions are deemed to be like oh my god he's totally right that sort of thing which is a dangerous thing and one of the reasons you can't have someone like alex on a show like this uh but this is really funny uh alex starts ranting about these here chimeras and then joe tries to uh get him to like what do you hold on what are you talking about and alex's response is so funny 20 years ago they had spiders that

produced body armor spider guts okay they have human animal hybrids 30 years ago they've got giant human tissue farms you know you hear oh your your killies is torn we've got a grown a lab attended it's not a freaking tenant growing a lab it's a freaking deal a humanoid these aren't humans the way they get around it is they make me wait a minute wait a minute we're saying so many things this is listen i love you to death but you say so million dollars humanoid drill i believe they are but you say so many different things without stopping it's hard because i'm reporting to the government agency so they'll listen investigate i'm decompartmentalizing okay but this will be studied for years so this lunatic this will be studied for years i mean that's just like the

kevin spacie line from seven yeah like what i'm doing will be yeah studied and reflected upon for decades to come alex has that same sort of narcissistic strength what i'm doing talking about spider goats once again uh i that's a great comparison to a literal serial killer yeah and then also two things that are super important is that joe is trying to explain to alex that you jump from topic a to b to c to d to e to f i'm still on a what the fuck were you talking about and that's not it's like this isn't a productive way to communicate that sort of thing you're way downstream i'm back here trying to talk about these things he doesn't seem to realize that this is part of alex's manipulative technique that he can't stop on a because he needs to be on

d or e by the time you have heard what a was yeah or else you're going to look into it and be like you're just full of shit yeah calm down alex exactly and also the second thing that's super important is that he's saying spider goats are spiders there's goats they're goats with spider genes not spiders making body armor it would be more fun if it was i'm gonna be honest spiders with goat genes would be fantastic what the fuck would they gain from those goat genes big bigger they'd be big that's so they always wanted to be big his whole point is that like he's trying like it's these little moments and i don't think that it's just a product of his intoxication and slipping up yeah he doesn't know what a spider goat is

he just knows it is a thing it is a thing he thinks it's a spider it'd be a fun spider whatever the case is actually no it'd be a massive spider that would also be able to bite you that with like i'm not into it yeah no that's no good it's it's it's later in the episode he talks about how like os s the precursor of the cia was actually british intelligence but at the same time he spends like a minute trying to remember what os s stands for right so it's like what kind of information do you have if you don't know these basic things what do you know about fucking chimeras if you think spider goats are spiders get the fuck out of here that's what i would do if i were rogan i would be like come on man the fuck out of here so i told you also by the way it's the office of secret sauce

that's right that's right that's right uh horsey sauce was has a whole department in there so um i told you earlier when they were talking about sandy hook i felt like they might have accidentally worked themselves into a new lawsuit and this clip here is what i was basing this on because alex has a new conspiracy uh about what's going on with him and sandy oh god don't talk about it he really shouldn't this this next clip is bad and i'm sorry it ever happened i believed it happened i'm sorry for people's pain and then i ask the families and i asked the the lawyers and i asked them all stop in my name saying i'm the wolf at the door saying go after these families and stop running around to the news everywhere saying alex jones says sandy hook didn't happen

because the media how about the media is the most unpopular thing in the world with seven percent approval rating in gallup so when they say that i say it's fake that sends people to connecticut because people think the media lies so if they're saying alex jones said it didn't happen it must have not happened and now they're trying to create a violent event not the families but i think some of the people involved know that if they make a big enough hype about it they're gonna have a big event up there in connecticut you understand and they're gonna blame it on me so i'm saying no no no i believe it happened stop saying i said it didn't happen and stop saying that i'm saying no kids died because i want to talk about human animal hybrids i like that a lot like those are the

moments that alex is funny but he's not trying to be funny like he's sincerely is saying stop fucking saying it's about sandy hook my big message is human animal hybrids fuck off i mean he is off he's not saying uh stop proving uh he's just wants them to stop saying it because it's really hurting his feelings it is and it's bottom line that's so tough also is he trying to say that the media is running a false flag on him like they're reporting complicated but yes walk through it and see let me see if you get it if i understand this correctly the media is actually the ones who are trying to harass the sandy hook families because they know most they're so hated that if they were to say alex jones says this because the because people hate the media so much they're gonna trust

alex more and then the media knows this is what's going to happen i think you're already so they're going to then investigate the sandy hook family i think you're off a little bit maybe so the media is so hated right right that they say that alex says that sandy hook is fake and they that people hate the media therefore they think that that is misreporting and trying to cover up something and so their logical conclusion is well it must have been fake if they're saying that it's wrong for someone to say it's fake then that must be fake there there go we're gonna go to connecticut and cause a huge terrorist attack right that will blame on alex right right i think that and the media is aware that this is what they're doing i think he's also implying that well because the oss is

involved oh of course yeah no i don't yeah i think that is the present uh what he's trying to present yeah absolutely the idea that the media is trying to do this in order to precipitate a large terrorist attack in connecticut to blame on alex this is the definition of paranoid narcissism just believing everything is about you it's so it's so sad to see and and yeah because the one thing that he could not possibly wrap his head around is that the media actually doesn't care about him at all no or that they're only reporting on things based on what he has done right right right and i think that he's gotten so far that i don't know if he's able to like distinguish between what his straw men are and what the reality is like criticisms that are being lobbied against him i don't know

if he's able to tell like what's real and what's not like what's his spin and what people are actually saying yeah and it's interesting to that for that to exist on the same episode where he's saying that like years ago i realized that there's this mild psychosis we're thinking everything is fake it's exactly what you're like how you operate i mean you're not the the the ability to have an awareness about that and pin it on your past self implies some awareness that you're still beholden to those patterns yeah it troubles me a little bit yeah and well first do you think this is a situation where we're getting alex like without his info wars hat on he doesn't he's not wearing a hat i mean i mean like this is a more genuine no uh yeah he's still doing a show like right you

can tell him like when he interrupted joe in that one clip and how he's just rambling he keeps saying like i'm ranting and then joe's like i'll go ahead go ahead like that's what i think joe it's basically joe's got himself front row seats to an alex jones performance right because like it's just like it's not a conversation it's not an interview it's just alex rambling about spider goats and how everyone's blaming him for sandy hook and they think he's adam lanza and he's a victim and blah blah blah like joe chimes in some but it's not like it's not a two-way street that just doesn't seem like the good a good basis for a friendship it's not you know it's not like that's that's really abusive behavior that joe is participating in willingly yeah because i think he holds out hope or uh

in the same way that i want an explanation for a lot of things and alex's career and the answer might be he's a lunatic right i think that joe probably in the same way wants an explanation for why his friend would treat him that way and i think he hopes for an answer other than oh he's just a crazy person and he has money so he's not yelling on a street corner right like that sort of thing alex is the embodiment of money privilege because his behavior is very very close to someone who gets locked in a loony bin or whatever yeah i don't even like using that terminology but you know what i'm saying yeah yeah um he is no different than someone in uh other circumstances that would be fifty one fifty or be homeless yeah like that is like the level yeah we're talking pre and post

reagan as to which one is which that's the level of impairment alex is operating under these days especially and i think that joe wants a different explanation for why things are going the way they are and unfortunately if you listen to this episode you see there's nothing i don't think there's anything there yeah it's it's a little bit like joe is portraying himself as the the person who wants to believe the best in everybody yeah do you know what i mean like he's the person who's like look i know i all of this horror all of this terror right there but you're still a human being and i believe there's good inside you like that kind of shit when in reality well he does say a bunch of times i didn't cut out these clips because i don't care but he does say a number of times like

another reason i didn't cut them is because it's the same thing he said on the last time he was alex was on his show he's like i i just wanted to show the world the version of you that i love yeah yeah yeah we're having fun you're a fun guy all that stuff and it's like i think that's the version of you that i love is the guy who yells at me for five hours and there's so much on here that just goes like that joe just lets slide yeah like that first i mean we've already talked about all these sandy hook lies that joe's just letting alex tell he lets him without pushback give this idea that uh that they're trying to plan a large terrorist attack in canada get and blame it on him joe doesn't be like hey that's crazy or anything like that yeah yeah so the version of alex that

joe seems to want to present to the world is a fun guy who he loves is a lying bigot who's clearly mentally disturbed and then we laugh at him yeah which i'm not i'm not thrilled with that but whatever life is what it is man yeah but the important role with the punches i guess yeah but the important thing jordan yes is that alex he knows that the globalists are evil wow we all do and he knows that because of primary sources he's talked to the spider goats he's not he talked to goat spiders oh okay but how's the goat spider leadership doing not good oh boy not good eating tim pans and shit it's not what spiders should be doing in this next clip alex brings up a primary source and it completely lies about it and because joe doesn't know what this source is

he doesn't push back on it and the earth is seen as like an egg yolk to give the propulsion power for this new thing that's going to be born and whether you believe that or not just like when the new thing meaning artificial intelligence beyond that it's a fusion of artificial intelligence and a whole synthesis of new life forms and so that's the big giant race when elon musk came in and told you because he goes these billionaire functions and he has a conscience so he's freaked out and they go these billionaire functions i don't just know this i've talked to people and i was in wired magazine 20 something years ago why the future doesn't need is bill joy a billionaire co-owner some microsystems he goes to a billionaire meeting with 200 guys and the consensus was

we're not going to play video games and party all day we're going to set up a world government we're going to slowly titrate the dose and poison the public dumb them down put electromagnetic radiation out with 5g that scrambles their dna lowers their iq we're going to cause mass mental illness and a controlled societal collapse that will then be organized and controlled in the mop up crew by robots controlled by the globalist programmers who believe with the offworld entities they're in communication with that they're going to be given the operation to upload and be in that larger kind of board cube system okay if they see if they sell the country out you got to hit the brakes because we need to we take this back to i'm so baffled he's baffled because alex is just

making stuff up literally none of that is in bill joey's article you can find it we have a link up to it on our website yeah i wrote a big like essay about the bill joys why the future doesn't need us you can go read it yourself it doesn't say any of that fucking shit the only thing that's close to that and bill joey's article is when bill joy is quoting ted kazinsky right unabomber right right wasn't at this conference that he went to among the elites or anything like that he was talking about someone who had a fear of a terrifying future with technology as an example of like this is something that someone has suggested right has nothing to do with anything alex is completely lying about this primary source and because joe i mean i appreciate his instinct of like

slow down right break right right but there's no amount of brake pumping that's going to allow him to read that article in the time that they have on air yeah so alex just gets well they were on there for five hours so he actually did have plenty of time or jay me could have yeah there's plenty of time for that shit but like it's just it's just pathetic like this is all lies that plan either that plan that the globalists have is interesting to me because either it it needs to have taken more than one conference to come up with that entire plan yeah and yet at the same time it's such a harebrained stupid plan it actually could have only taken one conference to come up with that like they just kept drinking overnight and they were like we got it we are we got a white

board we nailed it this plan is going to take the next 30 years we're going to follow it to a tea i don't think they were talking about five g 20 years ago i think they were i don't think i think they knew it don't i don't think that's the case well well five years ago they would have been or no 30 years what how many years ago what is 20 years ago 20 years ago we barely had flip phones 20 years ago they were talking about one g right and they were like well we assume that we'll have five by then yeah i mean i guess every four years there's a new g in that sense yeah i guess as a hypothetical eventual thing right that will lead to six g yeah we won't make it to six g though five g will have already scrambled our dna dan doing the jackoff and you're making the jack

aggressively yeah to the point where i'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable if we had an hr department we would have to have a conversation that's fine we have a locker room environment here at the show oh no i got my dad he's the hr rep here you're uh so in this next clip they're having a little conversation about alex's well another one of his talking points is like back in the uh i don't know 60s old days they had a plan uh that they were discussing of trying to bomb the atmosphere uh nuke the atmosphere that's fun um and so they talk about this and uh uh joe knows about this from like a documentary that he's watched or something like that and this makes alex super mad they adopted a detonated nuclear bomb in the upper island trying to blow up the

red on radiation yes they've lost they've done a lot of goofy shit but see that's the thing that's why i got mad at you and i love you you're a smart guy and everything is i know you know listen you got mad at me because we didn't communicate you know all this stuff i know you're even better at saying it and then you sit there because you can't handle it and you sit there and you don't know it it's not that i can't handle it it's there's two factors one i don't have an any time i don't have enough time to go into it as much as you do you ask why i flip that i don't got mad at you that's it right there you every time i bring up a fucking subject you know all about it i don't know all about this you fucking know all about this shit i don't know all about this bullshit you're

a smart guy we're not people that go oh jose is dumb jose is a pot bullshit you know exactly what you're i don't think you're a bad guy you're trying to survive are you in your family and do good okay but you're my family your family none of us are gonna make it there's a post human error coming the breakaway civilization the deal's been made it's not it's not the dimension they've made freaking deals with interdimensional aliens okay i and notice the media never attacked for that because that's the truth maybe this is true i do not know this i don't know that so alex is like they the media never attacks me when i say that the the government is made deals with interdimensional aliens i think mostly that's because people are like he's talking shit

yeah it's like who gives a shit it's not like oh no he's on to our secrets it's it's fun that joe did not realize that alex was absolutely insulting him oh yeah in the form of a compliment saying he's a cuck yeah he's like everything you you already know everything i mean a lot of people say you're stupid all the time and i'm just saying that it's not true and you're like wait i don't know who's saying he's stupid all the time i imagine it kind of sounds like you're saying i imagine some people say that he's a meathead or whatever no for sure i'm absolutely but i think that's that's something that you don't need to point out in a compliment the bigger insult that alex is making is that you are a coward you know all the things that i know and

because you want your family to be safe right you don't talk about it and that pisses alex off yeah just trying to like i don't know this stuff that you think i know because they're not real yeah i i can't look into it because it doesn't exist right how do you want me to look into extradimensional aliens making contracts with the government well you go there joes don dmt a ton of times which is what alex is going to say is the conduit through which but we'll get to that when we get to all right all right so alex isn't just taking this appearance on rogan's show as some kind of a boon to his own life which obviously it is he's also trying to extend a ladder down to some of his weirdo friends who also should be on joes

oh god no here's uh him trying to get his buddy booked on uh the joe rogan embarrassment can i interview nick begge you ready to nick begge in dr nick begge no my god he blew you away who is he his dad was a u.s congressman got killed his brother u.s senator he's he like he's having on the show they're the guys that got all the money given to the americans can you spell his last name begge it's it's it's it's it's he's a good friend of mine can i get him on we have some freaking with flyer right now anyways the point is not busy what does he do he was telling me all these years ago he goes alex it isn't chemicals in the food and water that's child's play bag it shagged it's a i can only write it jimmy i can only write it it's electro

chemical what does that even mean i don't know how to spell it what does that mean i can only write it it's muscle memory then you can spell it it's muscle memory banana it's crazy that's a bananas thing to say well it's it's a way of saying i don't know how to spell it without without showing ass i can only write it what that's like that that's look i can get if you've only read a word so you don't know how it's fully pronounced because nobody said it that makes sense it doesn't work in the inverse it does to some extent if like what you're saying is if i write out a word i can tell if it looks wrong that sort of thing if that's what he's trying to express fine but i can only write it a weird way of saying that that's not a way to say it also nick begich if you're curious

and don't remember from our show he's the guy who has a fake degree from a sri lankan diploma mill right and wrote a book called angels don't play this harp about the harp system which again still fucking a great title he's a complete lunatic still a great con man that alex thinks is a real intellectual real real cool dude he's also a favorite among the project camelot sack of course so uh he's real cool um in this next clip there's another instance of alex bringing up something that is ostensibly defendable by uh a google search i i really wish he had written like uh like harry potter like a whole series of just like angels don't dance on this pin and it's all about pin numbers and how they're finding you because they always have to be harp uh as like the pun no that's

angels i mean that's so what that's what i'm saying you switch it around it's like uh angels don't play in this outfield and it's about baseball like why not disney is a conspiracy yeah exactly um yeah that would be nice i don't think he has the interest in it he i think he made enough mileage off uh angels don't play this harp in order to get him booked on the weirdo speaking circuit for the rest of his life right so he doesn't have to write another book right why why force it uh says says jk round you only stand to lose something if you're a weirdo and you write a book and it's influential like you could only fuck that up by writing another book that has information and that can be attacked right like like the dumb fuck who wrote the i'm a man

guerrilla whatever was that served serenity guerrilla mindset guerrilla mindset yeah maga mindset yeah and then wrote another book and everybody's like you're dumb yeah i think everyone said he was dumb before but fair enough true but his book sales suffered right so in this next clip alex is talking about how cell phones control you and cell phone towers are meant to mind control people of course and those sorts of things if you just do a cursory google search you can find articles and like scientific american and stuff like that that speculate about these sorts of things but don't they don't prove alex's point yeah but they just discuss the like similar technologies are uh you know useful in different ways and stuff like that share so it's another example of

something where alex can bring this up jamie can google it and then they'd be like oh my god alex is on to something oh my god it's another sleight of hand trick that alex is able to do and i only i don't want to talk about it because we've gone into it in our show in the past uh that specific topic but it's interesting uh because it leads us to where we go in where we're going so this is a device given to us by the gods yes okay given to us by the technology that that the breakaway government nasa has developed that you don't just think they made up themselves right what do you mean who do you think made it up well when you're ready to get to it i want listeners understand something i'm gonna notice notice the media is not going to cover this we will meet is not well

they'll cover that was on the show they're not going to cover this the meat okay so this is not my opinion this is the real research that i have heard that i have talked to army generals commanding generals major generals general generals cia everybody and they're all a hundred percent uh and i thought it was a sigh out before and that's like a general practice you hundreds of people now not on air but i'm gonna make a film on this no you're taking iowaska and dmt i've not taken it and for obvious reasons and uh which obvious and it's unbelievable because i mean they a hundred percent in san francisco is the main project site literally have an alien base and they are literally communicating and they've got like astronaut level people taking super hardcore

levels of drugs and going into meetings with these things and making intergalactic deals are these intergalactic deals binding in it what how what's the overbought like what's the body this is bullshit i mean this is just like this is project camelot shit man they're actually just making deals with the beastie boys it might be yeah might be yeah yeah also i think like i know that the getty museums in los angeles but this is real fucking close to like yeah yeah there's an alien base underneath the getty museum yeah it's very similar uh in terms i mean i know san francisco in los angeles it's a bit of a drive did you know that nazis are underground uh sure they have a they have a breakaway civilization with nasa who gets a budget of 50 bucks a year that's all but

that's because there's the shadow budget right that includes lots of money for nasa right right alex is gonna explain it all later all the rocket ships and stuff like that that's all a facade yeah it's like it's like britain is there's a shadow parliament as well with the uh that's a real thing yeah so are the alien shadow departments fair enough fair enough so you do a bunch of DMT alex has this from major generals general generals general general never talked to on air and definitely is not going to make a film about no they take lots of DMT in iowaska and then they they go into these conferences with aliens yeah oh god this is so disappointing yeah this is like this is your big news you can't prove any of this you're just talking shit and it doesn't make any sense no

and it's fun to talk about when you're high and i think that's why rogan is kind of like not fighting it yeah yeah yeah if i were him i'd probably let him talk to right but in terms of like alex you are someone who tries to make real world political statements you are somebody who supports i don't know bolsynaro in brazil yeah you're someone who now even though for years and years has been like principally opposed to regime change you are now supporting what's going on in venezuela you cannot say that the big deal when you're on a show that like i was listening to this live there was like 120 000 people watching it live Jesus you can't say that the big thing behind everything is major general generals doing iowaska and making contracts with aliens

you just you're a fucking asshole you're a joke this is this is pathetic i i i don't like that i feel like he was fucking with us a little bit with the general general general yeah the whole the whole long list of generals was i actually know why you know you're full of shit on this he was just vamping i think a little bit and then later he actually he has one specific reference for who he's talking about and it'll be disappointing um double bind you bet oh yeah bring back the stubble bind he does bring up stubble bind how's stubble bind doing he's dead oh well you're doing a great show thanks real funny point too later he says that stubble bind was a three star general stubble bind was a two star general oh plenty point yeah alex doesn't even know the rank of the

the person that he's saying is who cares how many how many stars can you get 69 yeah nice um so alex has never done dmt for obvious reasons it is that was very dumb that was super dumb he hasn't done dmt for obvious reasons right which i i don't know i don't know uh they would mess with his if he says that i don't do it for obvious reasons the only thing i can think of that's an obvious reason is it's illegal well yeah but there's ways you can still do it at like uh you know native uh yeah that's places yeah temples and uh stuff like that there there were loopholes and stuff like that you could do it fine with the the legal stuff i think it's just that he thinks drugs are bad or something like that that's the only obvious reason or he thinks it's intrinsically

evil to do those drugs or he's afraid of the interdimensional beings he doesn't want that to be because he's not afraid of anything okay he doesn't want that to be the obvious reason but i don't know and the point is he's never done it for obvious reasons but he's basically done dmt every night of his life with his mind it's so alien that if an alien landed right now in our parking lot and a little gray man with big black eyes got out it would be nothing compared to what i've seen on psychedelic trips well let me just tell you me getting into this show is just because so people need to understand that i've known about this for a long time and i just don't think people are ready for it but a lot of folks who have low oxygen and and who have nine volt brains well well

who have uh you know sleep apnea a big big necks big heads tongues go back like you and me you go down to 62 oxygen that's another time that the brain releases dmt so my whole life since i was about my first memories were every night was a dmt trip so i basically i don't want this to sound arrogant it's not i've seen everything i've seen everything god damn it i've seen everything i i have like fucking mild hallucinations every night so i know that aliens are real it seems unlikely too that he's had this his whole life you know like if what he's describing is like his super out of shapeness and his massive neck causes the sleep apnea then i i would believe that that's more of a recent development in his life yeah it does seem that way like it i don't

know i don't care to litigate that really i just bring that up as like alex trying to uh sort of big dick uh the right tire like you've done dmt in iowaska a couple times i do it every night buddy yeah i know more i've seen everything even in this joe you think that this is your turf i got bad news for you i'm above your turf what a dick yeah what a fucking dick he's pretty pretty bad i don't want to be friends with the the one up the story guy where it's like hey i had this really fun thing happen to me you think that's cool guess what my story is fuck off it's not even one up the story it's one up the life it's one of the identity it's just it's everything it's just a just a gross i'm you but better right so at this point in the episode we get into uh the first instance of alex

talking about childhood memories and there are a number of them that some of them are pretty close to things that we've heard before um and those things are fleshed out a little bit more because he's wasted um and then some of them are completely new developments uh that lead me to one of my new conclusions and that is that alex jones's dad david jones might be a complete lunatic uh that sounds right though we've we've touched on him in the sense that like you know he he was clearly into the john birch society yeah and he had some weird influences that passed down to alex but some of these stories that alex tells um are it's hard to say what the line is between like alex's dad is possibly crazy or alex completely misremembers things from his youth and is allowing his dad to

be cast as a lunatic yeah in these back stories right right right do we get to remove the probably from technically probably kill a guy maybe we'll get to that'll be at the end of this episode all right but there is some developments on that okay so um in this first one alex uh was seven years old and he heard his dad uh talking about his dentistry practice but more there was more there than meets the tooth oh oh boy let me try to be clear jones i'm having a good time with you i just want you let me try to be clear i can't say all of this on here okay why and i'm gonna leave it at that but for obvious reasons i'm on record 20 years ago before anybody else was talking about the clockwork elves and now the globalists think they're

in touch with these entities and things only because and i don't want to get i'm not the CIA the CIA is bigger than coca-cola it's like bigger than wal-mart i don't ever been an intelligence agency i've never been in part of any of this stuff but i had family that was in advanced DARPA research projects no you didn't that i don't know all that it tells about because they and um when i was a kid my dad told me about some of it not knowing i'd be a talk show host layer but like when the deputy director of the CIA needed to have a tooth pulled he came to my dad okay so my dad was like the doctor to you know these guys in dentists i remember sitting around that kitchen table and i'm like seven he's like carol i can't tell you all about it but it's a

classified program in maryland in an underground base and uh they won't give me all the details but it's double the money i'm making now this is for national security but i think i think it's basically you know we're gonna we're building cyborgs and we've got special forces that have volunteered so we can infiltrate the russians and get to codes and systems and i believe it's in planting with messages in their teeth and i and i also think it's i do in plants i think it's a brain surgery program for microchips okay and so i'm here and my carol's like david i'm sick of these people and you've already done so much for the this government and look what they've already done to you and amendment my brother you're not gonna be you know i want you out of this so this

is like you know seven eight years old you're not hearing about the you're hearing about the cyborgs okay okay so so that's the kind of stuff that i grew up seeing so a couple things that i find really important in there one is that he calls his parents by the their first name as opposed to like uh highlighting their relation to each other which is weird um and then second uh like i don't understand why his dad would be like i can't talk about this national security project but i bet it involves cyborgs it's like that's what you're not supposed to talk about why are you starting the sentence with i can't talk about this but here it is that's how alex talks that's how alex reveals information he prefaces things with like i'm i can't get into this i'm not supposed

to talk about this but here it goes yeah so i hear this i think of this more as an expression of alex jones's fantasies from his childhood uh then actual a map actually a memory of his dad explaining to carol uh what was going on with these tooth cyborgs either that or dds david was fucking with alex from a very young age i think that if if alex what if he's just been fucking with alex this whole time i think that's terrible abuse yeah he's brought a horrible entity into the world but i think i think that even if he wasn't fucking with him there's clear uh indications that he's allowed alex to believe these things uh four years without correcting him or maybe he has and alex just doesn't give a shit yeah maybe he's like alex you know i wasn't working on fucking cyborgs when

you were a kid right that's ridiculous and alex is just like i just hear you confessing quite frankly yeah yeah i hear a whitewash story that you're giving me and uh this is proof that you made tooth cyborgs is there is there do you think the cia has a rule about tooth cyborgs well the rule is let's go for it uh but i mean like going under in in that kind of thing like getting any kind of laughing gas or or that kind of thing i'm positive that there's some sort of like uh nda yeah there has to be yeah because of like if you're unconscious or in twilight or whatever yeah you could say something that you shouldn't exactly that sort of thing or you could start fucking with dds david which is the new way that i'm going to say it or or he's just he's just like

hey man we have cyborg teeth ah yeah can i get that pulled i could definitely see a situation where if you had to go under anesthesia or something like that for a treatment they would only allow a dentist or doctor who had been vetted and had an nda in place or something like that yeah i could see that being one of their security protocols or i could see it being a thing where you can only get local anesthetic or topical anesthetic see that's kind of what i was saying where it's like even if you're getting a root canal you can only get the novocaine yeah because the risk of you revealing secrets yeah is too high or a third possibility would be there really are cyborg wow that's a fourth possibility which i discount entirely but the third possibility i could see

would be like you can go in but you're always being monitored like someone is there okay yeah like you have a attache yeah who's monitoring you while you're under in order to make sure you don't say anything i like to imagine that attache has a briefcase handcuffed to his hand could be that'd be fun yeah um so i don't know i whatever the case is i don't believe alex is bullshit his stories of his seven-year-old memories and stuff but this next clip gives us an indication that alex is jones alex jones's dad is not on the up and up or at least alex's version of him isn't because alex showed him end game when he was making it alex showed his dad end game and his dad had a strange response to that don't fuck yourself no that would not be a strange response his mom seems

to think that this is all bullshit yeah which is a normal response uh his dad quite different my dad never told me about all this stuff when i was older till it was like 12 years ago and i was finishing in game blueprint for global enslavement that's free still online and it's all about the world government and how the cell phones watching you and everything everything's proven in it nope it didn't come true it was already true nope nope and the plan for one world government and don't have kids and all that and attack on the family and we were gonna go to ballet recital for like my you know three-year-old daughter she's like 14 now or whatever and they sit down for like an hour and watch the end of the film it's three-hour film and my mom goes david that's not true he goes yes

it's all true when i was in you know junior and high school they recruited me into the program there and they brought us in they said the nazis were wrong because they were only targeting certain groups we're going to target everybody and it's a planetary breakaway and world government and yeah that's why there's a nuclear reactor under ut and all those stuff which later when research is actually true it's not even hidden but the point is it's not that my dad was even that special they my dad was like the score like the sixth smartest in texas this is stuff we've talked about before it's just this ludicrous idea of how these globalists work like the idea that these kids got really high test scores so they tried to recruit them by telling them that the nazis were bad

because they didn't harm enough people yeah and we're gonna fix that by targeting everybody and they reveal all of this plan like a james bond villain before these kids have even signed on with the plan or not of course and then don't kill the kids when they reject the offer or whatever you know like it's a completely ludicrous childish idea of how some sort of shadowy operation would work he's talking about ender's game yeah he's talking that's what it is uh yeah probably yeah i've never read it but i assume that you have and you're making a great reference i trust you for giving me the better for the doubt dan i trust you ah but yeah this is a child's understanding of something and the way a child hero worships their dad by trying to make them into

i don't even believe that their statewide testing exists to decide who the smartest kid in texas i'm starting to believe david isn't even his fucking dad he is i found this out oh yeah i've figured that out but i mean look you did some dmt and figured it out talk to aliens gotcha they made me sign a contract proving that alex jones's dad's name david what's that contract written in uh blood oh we later find out the aliens love blood oh okay but uh how about chocolate i don't he doesn't bring it up he does that must just be wrapped he does say that there's tons of different races of aliens of course they're like are you angling for kerry pleiadians yeah are you trying to get on project i know i know who's a pleiadian kerry is yeah absolutely

so um at this next point alex brings up uh abortion and uh oh boy the they have a little conversation about how uh there are people who are trying to keep babies alive to sell their organs post birth right um and why not and that's what uh governor uh northam in virginia was talking about when he did an interview in blackface no nope but we do find out why that happened races the black face thing no it wasn't about that i really think it was it might have initially been but the reason that the story came forward is because we'll get to it okay he was uh he was being blackmailed but he was being blackfaced actually is what we call it now we'll get we'll get blackmail face that we'll get to that in a second but in this next clip alex talks about how abortion is really

just about stealing babies organs and i have some thoughts on the other side that's why they not a lot of nurses have noticed now that the babies disappear at birth they tell them oh your baby died that's why the governor said he was a actually organ harvesting doctor he goes we keep the babies alive after they're born and have a discussion they're getting caught now because we've decompartmentalized wait a minute what i'm confused at what you're saying i just never ends yeah what are you saying about babies like what are they doing with babies you you saw the governor of virginia say we keep babies alive after they're born and kill them right well i didn't see that we keep them comfortable i am very very concerned with late term abortions you shouldn't very very concerned post birth job

stop it guys understand post birth how much money do you think they get wait for a seven and a half pound baby they can keep alive for two weeks mama doesn't know so if they can register the organs and get bitters wait a minute you're then they can make 500 000 what are you saying they kill on the spot only gets 50 grand so you have 50 grand for like a fetus but you have 500 thousand for a two week old baby with the organs now here's what i want to say his whole argument about chimeras is that they're trying to create organ harvesting type things with chimeras so if abortion is what they're doing that for it kind of defeats the purpose of chimeras these are kind of the same thing i don't understand why you need both well i mean chimeras are just a better renewable

resource you know you see how the birth rates are going down of course well you gotta you know if we're not having enough kids to abort i know after they were born i know jim cramber from mad money is big message is always diversify diversify that's true so that makes sense i guess my complaint goes out the window well it's it's like the uh it's like the ua e man they control a lot more oil so we're trying to find our own sources of energy true women control all the babies we can't be having that we got to make sure that they're fucking subjugated so that's why we're creating spider goats it makes perfect sense makes sense yeah so his whole entire argument hinges around the idea that the governor of virginia was on a radio show and he was asked about

a measure that was being discussed that would put no limit really on when an abortion could be uh done yeah which is a good thing sure i don't like between the between the appropriate care of a physician and a woman uh there should not be a limit but it is important that the appropriate care pieces of course of course is there you know you need to have doctors who know what they're doing and are acting responsibly well they're they're being killed by anti-abortion activists unfortunately yeah but i i don't like i don't like 240 something year old men talking about abortion period no like i don't like i i kind of don't even here's i kind of don't even like when we talk about it other than to be like hey go for it if you want it but you know but i think that when

we are talking about it we have to because alex and joe have forced our hand in terms of recovering this if we didn't it would be a glaring omission right because of something that happens later that is completely fucked up okay but the important thing to consider is that ralph northam um when he was on this radio show he did say uh something to the effect of after uh if the if the woman goes into labor you can keep the uh uh the baby uh uh comfortable and resuscitate it if that's what the parent wants he wasn't precise enough in his language and he was speaking really poorly but what he was talking about is an unviable child that is uh still born by uh you know by labor yeah and it be it being born an unviable child or a child with a birth defect like there are there are

examples you can find all over the place like a child that's born with half a brain or something like that and it just will not survive right that sort of thing it's not talking about post-birth abortions it's not talking about euthanasia or anything like that it's talking about a very very rare situation uh wherein uh like a baby is born completely unviable yeah and if the parent does want to resuscitate it and try uh to keep it alive yeah then why would they not do that right in the meantime keeping the baby comfortable to the greatest extent you can isn't necessarily some sort of a weird nefarious thing they're making they're making a completely bad argument out of intentionally misunderstanding what the guy said and i got no skin in the game in defending

him he's a piece of shit yeah i just don't like i i i how could you not have empathy for that kind of situation where the baby is alive it you know you'd almost rather it was stillborn because if if the baby's alive and they're trying to keep it alive right you're gonna watch something slowly die right there's a story that's brutal there's a story you can read i can't remember exactly where it was but there's a lady who had come out and she uh did not have a late term abortion because it was very difficult for her to get one in the state that she was in yeah um and she had this child uh and she has now wished that she had got a late term abortion because the child ended up they had so many medical complications yeah and they worked their ass off spent so much

money trying to keep it alive and it still died anyway it died like uh within a year of being born god and there was indications like it it's still in utero that that was going to be the case yeah but she couldn't travel across state lines to get the abortion that she needed that is fucking brutal so there's situations like that and that's exactly the sort of situation that this governor was talking about yeah and that alex is misrepresenting to feed his anti-abortion propaganda position how can your how can your stated position be i want to watch a parent be tortured and then have them watch their kid die because he doesn't care that's fucking awful how can you not even have the slightest bit of empathy well because i mean if you want to talk about in the crassest sense possible

it's because everybody on the right really understands that maintaining this abortion position is essential to them ever winning an election yeah because without the evangelical vote and that's a big part of how they hinge the evangelicals right without that block and the anti-abortion block that's within the right wing coalition they're fucked yeah exactly they lose that they look like the single issue voters in terms of abortion are what keeps the right wing and the gop alive right and so you have to and it's just like it's just like with guns the idea of like if you give even an inch it's going to be whittled away right yeah guns and abortions are two of the biggest things that allow the gop and the conservative to party build their fucking party

into giving all of their money away to the rich right smart and to ignore all of the things that uh are that go along with the program that don't fit with like let's say the evangelicals belief system god i hate that sort of thing yeah so anyway alex is wrong about this and he makes a meal out of talking about it and it's gross and then he plays the video he has them play the video jamie pulls it up and yeah you know governor northam does say you know you keep the baby comfortable and he does have a bit of a southern accent so alex gets to be like didn't i do a good impression oh boy but because they i thought he was doing bernie because they have that uh like that uh answer that the governor gives man it's out of context uh and they don't have uh explanatory

context or anything like that there's no time for that on the show yeah alex gets to present this as another win i told you the governor said they keep babies alive therefore my conjecture that they keep them alive for two weeks to harvest their organs is also true and joe doesn't have a foot to stand on because he got his mind blown by this clip of governor northam really yeah god damn it that's how this works how can that happen literally all i can think of well if you're if you're playing a clip my next thought is like tell me how this makes sense because this is this is well but that's because joe is relying on alex to be me in that situation that's fucking stupid right because i'm sitting next to a duplicitous liar oh god i know uh i hit him so alex needs a

little bit more support for his argument other than this uh completely misrepresented uh clip of the governor and so what do you know here's what he pulls from so who saw the plant parenthood videos out of texas in california two years ago the project veritas others got where they're saying i'm on a yellow ferrari man i'm making hundreds of thousands off each baby week with partial birth they keep the baby alive they take it in the back and then they have a van pull up that takes it to a chinese government run facility in the u.s and they got the sucker that what okay prove that what kind of van would it be like a is it like a stealth cleaning van prove that saw it okay so prove what he's talking about isn't the project camel project camel project veritas videos might as well be right

those weren't the ones he's specifically talking about although they did also do manipulative edited videos about uh parent plant parenthood this is the center for medical progress videos that came out in 2015 there were a complete hoax completely do like manipulatively edited that got these guys in a bit of hot water about it legally yeah yeah for for videotaping these people without consent and for misrepresenting what the full tapes showed right so alex which is what happens so alex complains that people edit and chop his stuff to make him sound different when you actually do that you get into legal trouble true and alex will then use that as evidence that he's right exactly so fucking stupid yeah we'll get back to this topic of alex's feelings about abortion a

little bit later because he has a bit of a blow up um and starts screaming in a probably fake way but also seems kind of real yeah his face looks terrifyingly angry well he's drunk so there's a part of you it's about fortitos in yeah if you're if you're fake angry when drunk that'll turn into right real anger it's easy to skip over that line without realizing yeah um but before we get there we have to hear a deeply troubling revelation from alex's life i mean i remember when i was growing up in rockhole texas i ran into like a satanic cult i was like god this girl's a senior in high school she's super hot i'm in i'm in i'm in uh i'm in ninth grade and like she's picking me up in her Mercedes and i'm taking me some mansion and the sex with her is incredible

and i'm walking out of the house because i look like i was about 16 when i was you know 13 and the dad goes you like screwing my daughter yeah i screw her too whoa just as soon as you join us you love lucifer you get all the what the hell you want boy because we want you but but oh yeah but that's yeah man i've had incredible life that is not an incredible life that deeply fucked up story there are so many levels to that that are deeply fucked up like just like just like if you take even the having sex with this older woman at the time when you're 13 problematic well even if you take that out of the equation being in that household experiencing something like that like let's say he's just friends with this girl and he's over and the dad's like i fuck my daughter

you're to join our satanic cult that would be deeply traumatizing yeah the idea that you now incorporate that he's saying the sex with her was awesome that implies that they had sex multiple times oh yeah at least so he's saying oh god like you are not capable of processing sexual intercourse and the intimacy that comes along with it when you're 13 and a 17 year old girl having sex with a 13 year old boy is abuse that is profoundly fucked up oh yeah i don't care if alex looked like he's 16 at the time or anything like that that is not good yeah very that is very bad no when i was 15 i was dating somebody older than me she was 17 she was a senior at the time and it was very much like we didn't sleep together because that was a whole mess you know like that was one of those

things where both of us were like we're in high school let's just be cool now but some i i think that's good i also want to say i'm sorry i didn't mean to cut you off no i wanted to say some of the ideas that alex is expressing that i don't think are real like i don't think that he tried to get it get inducted into a satanic cult yeah i think that's probably just his weird fantasizing memory that's probably a function of him being completely fucked up i i mean oh can you imagine going anywhere and having somebody's father who you're sleeping with say i sleep with her too that doesn't end in like that's a joke right no okay cool i'm gonna run as far as fast as i can so i don't care if there's a misade he's involved i'm gonna light that on fire

i'm a way out of here alex then gets into like the idea that satanic cults tried to get him involved and part of the he he said that he was a hardcore satanist on a past episode yeah when he was younger so that implies that he did go along with it because this is him trying to get recruited into a satanic group he said he was in a satanic group it follows that he was in now a little bit later he says that in order to get into satanic groups you have to kill your dog what yeah no yeah no he does say that oh my god we're right where's no he killed no it's implied it it's it's well i mean he's presenting it as like i wouldn't ever do that i never did this yeah but we do have evidence that he's killed dogs before if not not necessarily his dog maybe it was just a dog with rabies that he had to

stomp into the ground or whatever um but which was deeply fucked up as well but if you take the pieces like the little the little parts they do seem to add up to he killed nonc in order to get into a satanic cult that is a possible timeline that happened in alex's life this is not good no but again i have to clarify that i don't believe most of this cruelty to animals is one of the signature signs of a serial killer i believe he was cruel to animals but i don't believe the the window dressing of this story the satanic cult the dad who's fucking his daughter alex i believe maybe he had inappropriate sexual relations as a younger man i'd buy that part is i i buy that i buy that one hard and i believe that he's still suffering from some of the trauma

involved in that and not processing it in any real way definitely not in a healthy way no so presented without comment here is something that alex says that uh is really one of the reasons why joe should think twice about having him on his show and uh also if you're gonna let him be on the show push back on things like this because joe doesn't and this is so fucked up you have to know the darker elements of the criminal networks that are inside our government are actually running mexico as a laboratory test because they know native americans are native americans are gung-ho and they're tough and they're ready to fight not you know i'm part native american long like six percent to manchi and you know uh texas and just that little bit

makes me wild and so they can get them because they're powerful they're smart they're neat they're cool but genetically they go into group think really really fast and so native americans you can mind control really fast oh why is that well it's like vietnam i mean you know the bearing land straight and basically they test the genetics of mezzo americans is basically chinese what hunt because there was always some whites and vikings even 10 000 years ago in the area hold up but like nobody like in fights like in korea fighting the chinese that's who were really fighting there or vietnam that's do you think i mean they're like they're conscious and real people what they get into a fight they all sync up and a robot's that have no fear

how you know about psychotic killers you're fine and so asians are about the most fearless killers there are like the mongols like any of them i mean once asians go to war it's like they do now they're it's in fact they're not even craze going wild in the battle what they're like robots coming to kill you and so what do you think that's from do you think that's from their heritage of war that they're along like like if you think about japan japan has a long history of being a noble warrior culture with the samurai's and well it's that all the martial arts are coming from the nobility it's the genetics it's i know no no no oh boy i said presented without comment because i refused to even engage with that no no that's just deeply that's just demonstrative of how alex

that is deeply fucked up that's crazy that is a crazy thing to say i i okay this is something i i want to ask because i do feel like it's important joe is coming off like the shittiest piece of shit that could be in your clips yeah so i just want to confirm that this is the tenor of the interview and not like you're you're because you we're cutting clips about alex so naturally that kind of follows that joe wouldn't have his highlight reel involved you know i don't want to answer that question until we get a little bit further okay because like i said there's a rogue variable that changes everything but i will say this is any bravo i don't want to say look here's the thing uh here's the thing i think that joe got a sense and i don't think that he fully understood

that alex was lying to him about the sandy hook stuff even still yeah but i think that he probably got a sense within the first 20 minutes or so of like this is going to be fucked up because alex comes in with a head of steam and he's just ranting while joe tries to respond to things like hold on slow down slow down yeah alex isn't slowing down so i think he kind of realizes like this isn't going to be whatever i want it to be right so let's just lean into it right instead of being like alex what are you saying native americans are easy to mind control yeah what the fuck are you talking about prove your premise or anything like that he's just like well do you think that there's a cultural explanation for why uh asian military uh like military tradition goes the way that it

does in china yeah stuff like that and alex is no it's genetics yeah because i mean i think he's checked out a little bit right because he realizes he's he's playing handball with the curtains yeah like he's not going to be able to play an actual game or have a real conversation alex is going to get the points he wants across and then as soon as joe responds to something alex will take the conversation in a new direction that he can control yeah and it's and like so i think you're to a certain extent it is still a show so he can either have a show or he can have a fight yeah and then it's over after an hour so he's got a lot of episode of marriage exactly exactly yeah yeah and i think that which is kind of cowardly to

whatever whatever but i think i'm not gonna legislate or i'm not gonna litigate that i i think that what's going on to is that like yeah it's just sort of like a don't rock the boat kind of thing yeah and a recognition of like what what are we gonna do right what are we gonna do what's what's the what's the game that we're gonna play but to answer your question more specifically you're saying that joe's coming off like a pile of shit yeah i think that there's an argument you could make that that's a fair assessment but i also think that there's an argument you could make of him being a showman in this situation trying to moderate whatever is being said as best he can yeah um and then

just doing a terrible job of it so i think that there's like i don't think it's his intention to be a piece of shit but i also think he doesn't recognize some of the things alex is saying yeah i think he gets caught up in uh trying to make sense of alex's words and his rhetoric and he misses he misses point a because alex is already on to point d right right so there there's some of that you can't it's one of the intrinsic problems of why you should never have alex on your show he's gonna say things that you're just incapable of responding to and then it's broadcast unchallenged unquestioned on your show right to 120 000 people live and more people after the fact yeah we have a we have a clear track record of like either you don't challenge him and he says a ton

of bullshit and you gave him a platform to do it yeah or you do challenge him and he gets in a fight with you and then he gets even more publicity or he gets really weird like that patrick bat david enter yeah he turns it super esoteric yeah and that shit you you're not going to there's no it's like a it's like a fucking the only way to win is not to play yep like that's the situation there it's war games i agree so he's talking about these genetic uh mind control ability uh levels of various races which isn't good i mean that's the type of racism that you're like this is bad racism but also i mean nobody else is throwing that racism around i think some people are i think that native americans are easy to mind control maybe that not that's specific that one's real

specific it's pretty specific but i think it's sort of an offshoot of a lot of this sort of race realism the the sort of scientific racism oh yeah that exists in the right wing today stiffon mollinue and that fucker yeah those those sorts um i think there is some of that that's there hit by a truck which is why this naturally transitions into a talk about intelligence and alex oh no he does his standard shit about how like the japanese and the whites are this the highest lord yet that's not as a blacks are dumb as is that that god i don't care about that we don't need to listen to that again but it leads to this which i think is preposterous so there's not just one type of intelligence yeah oh for sure yeah well there's there's i mean that there's

tests that you can run in terms of mathematics but there's no real tests you can run in terms of social real test is psychic connectivity they've proven the dna is a transceiver and so my skill is that's why i'm usually kind of like almost autistic is i'm just being constantly like everything's going on but then i've actually focused in i can like figure out the exact enemy operation that's why they're really pissed that's not why they're that's not why people are pissed no i don't think anyone would give a shit no your psychic connectivity skills is he trying to talk about morphic knowledge and all of that shit god that's so stupid yeah so in this next clip alex complains about people making accusations about him that

lead to real world consequences and i find that deeply deeply ironic they have steven cobert get up on air and say that i'm a kkk member and make jokes and you know what people shouted at me on the street well that's unfortunate oh no no steven cobert said you're a kkk guy and then people yelled at you mean to me you said that people whose families died are actors and they got harassed and got death threats i don't give a fuck if someone yelled at you because someone made a joke about you in a late night show i mean sure i don't like any kind of harassment falling on people i think that's i wouldn't support that i'm sure that steven cobert didn't say that alex was a clan member i'm sure there was a joke that he was making

that compared to the two or something like that yeah he didn't just he didn't just like hey welcome back to uh the the the late show um alex jones is a clan member and now we're gonna start the show or i'm sure that steven cobert didn't get on air and be like listen guys i didn't believe that alex was a clan member but now i have new information right that i have found hey i i don't i i take no pleasure in reporting this to you alex jones is a clan member and now let's have an interview with i don't fucking know bradley cooper fuck it yeah that's not that's not the way it went bradley how do you feel about the clan i've been a member since 19 wait wait wait wait what what hold up what that's what alex did to

the sandy hook family members yeah and so any kind of attempt for him to be like i'm a victim of this negative attention because people malign to me it's like take a take a number asshole yeah no you are way more guilty of that than anybody else so i'm gonna revoke that victim card yeah i kind of don't give a fuck alex you can go fuck yourself yeah so in this next clip alex talks about how uh he knows a guy in the ufc who he won't name he will not name this guy he's about to name that guy he's not he's gonna say his name you won't name this guy no he's gonna say his name no no he no he's gonna say no he doesn't actually say no because it's all made up but okay he will not name this guy okay but he was gonna get a tv show all right but then things turned bad because the network

had a strange demand here's an example there's a very well known ufc fighter that you know okay who has shows on the discovery history channel i'm not gonna say his name okay and i got a call about a month ago and they're like wow this is incredible don't say my name you can talk about they were gonna offer me this new big lucrative show but they said you're gonna come out denounce alex jones on the show or we're not gonna give you the show and he said no so hell yeah man huh huh denounce him on the show why would they need that from you from him yeah but why would they need that from him because why would they need him to denounce you on the show i'm not that important that just give but that gives you even more attention well let me explain that's their

okay well then why did everybody else censor why did hitler censor why did the russian censor like you think most of the time censorship actually works yeah but that's a weird one man someone saying they're not going to give you a gig unless you specifically denounce alex jones it happens what kind of show is it is it a cooking show no Joe Joe Joe let me break this down for you okay i swear on my kids i told you the truth about i believe you i believe you but i'm saying it just seems so crazy that they would ask him to not to denounce you on a television show i'm not saying it's impossible that's what everybody who's not independent is told because they're behold another people you're a rarity so i i don't like this i don't like the fact that this is Joe's

best pushback moment this is the moment where Joe's like hey dude i am actually in show business and in UFC i've done all of that i've been given shows yeah that's not how it goes yeah it's absurd for you to be suggesting this it's an embarrassing narrative for you to be putting forth about your own oppression and how everybody has to denounce you or else they can't work it's the mark of the beast is saying that alex jones is awful yeah that sort of thing yeah i think that i think that you just got too close to where Joe lives yeah exactly because it's show business and it's UFC related he's trying to appeal to Joe and be like there are people you guys yeah yeah exactly it could be you next when in reality on alex's show he said that Joe has been threatened and to denounce him and

stuff like that and that's why he was behaving that way at the end there when he's like you're a rarity you're one of the few is he just talking about Joe no he's pandering to Joe yeah exactly at the end there when he's like you're one of the only people who's independent and uh does their own thing that's reneging on all of the things that he's said about Joe in the last month or so he said that he is a complete shell all this stuff he's he pretends he's independent but he takes money from Jack Dorsey also i don't like Joe recognizing exactly what's going on in both that story and not recognizing that the same thing is going on on his show where he's like wait if that guy denounces you that only gives you more attention and you're like dude you get it but

you're having him on his show yeah but i i think Joe understands that that he's giving alex more attention but i think he thinks that he's much more harmless than he is because he doesn't recognize those things that alex says that are completely not based in reality that are super dangerous and racist things like native americans are easy to mind control yeah shit like that he doesn't recognize that as being as toxic and cancerous uh from a like a rhetoric standpoint and so he's just like ah whatever he's obsessed with being the guy who i'll talk to whoever like he had tyson on the other day yeah like not the other day but a little bit back tyson like fucking tyson on this show i thought you were talking about former chicago comedian tyson carish he did not make

he is really going up to the stars doesn't he live in australia now or something i don't maybe i don't know why we need to put his business out there um so i i mean he joe's obsessed with that image being the guy the you know like i don't care right wing left wing crazy not crazy conversations it's all about this yeah like i'm not an interviewer i'm a conversation with people who are interesting first alex came for the native americans and i said nothing then he went for the asians and i said nothing but he came at me about ufc and i'm gonna shut that shit down right i'm gonna push back pretty hard hell yeah um so like the two of them had a bit of a fight and i think it's an open question how much of that was uh a stunt on alex's part right

the intensity with which he followed through with it and like i said the level of things he was doing like putting joe's family's business in the streets and stuff like that betraying confidences and stuff like that doesn't make like that's a bad publicity stunt if that's what alex was intending to do if he was trying to bait him into a war or something like that that makes sense but the end result of that wouldn't be to get on his show yeah it would get it would be to get joe to talk about him on the show and create um you know some sort of a rap echo machine yeah um but whatever the case is alex explains in this next clip what he felt the breaking point with joe was when he realized this guy is too far gone i gotta take him on

where where that was going on so when i saw you was my breaking point go hey alex shows his full of crap george soros uh was a victim of the nazis in the holocaust that's not what i said i didn't see your full crap i said he wasn't a nazi i go the story that i watched the interview and i don't know what he did i don't know the guy i don't know him i don't know i've no very little about him but what i remember from the story was that he was saying that when the nazis occupied he was with his i believe it was his uncle godfather his godfather and took him around as a christian and pretended he was a christian whether they were stealing from these jews when they would take take their and he just thought it was normal because he was 13 years old but he was

talking about it that he was shielded by this person no i would be willing to take his explanations what what well then it's over i would be willing to take his explanation we did it well i mean to be fair he does go on to say that he doesn't take that explanation i got you but he's having to pretend that he's more reasonable and more rational yeah because he's talking with joe and joe's like i watched that interview you can't pull the like slight of hand tricks that you normally do i know what you're talking about yeah and what your version of it isn't true so alex has to do start with that qualification i would believe that i would believe that interpretation and then he says this and actually it's worse for alex after he explains why he doesn't take that interpretation

if somebody put a gun to my head and said we're gonna kill you if you don't help round up joe rogan's kids and put him in a concentration camp i'd say oh yeah i agree with you i've got the gun away and kill him did he say he just said though there was just taking property no they were what do you think this was even not to show him take your property and then you don't go away yes this is bullshit it was after people had already been taken away yeah the godfather was part of cleanup crews that would go around to the houses of people who had been taken to camps it's not alex is presenting it as they showed up and stole stuff and then bada beng the nazis came yeah as if they were the precursor as opposed to being there to catalog the property that nazis were going to

then confiscate yeah this is bullshit if alex knew anything he would know that he's trying to present it as they were the um i don't know the silver surfer that came around as the the herald of uh of the nazis very nice thank you rare comic book reference coming from me so it gets worse i don't know i mean i don't know what happened in romanian hungry but joe here's what he was saying they have headlines saying okay joe rogan so you're saying you think that it was more no no he did an mpr interview i'm not trying to go indict george sorosh okay well here's where i fucked up because i shouldn't have even said anything about it because i don't know much about it the the real absolute honesty is interpretation i've seen i've seen a couple it's open to interpretation no it's

fucking not it's open to interpretation you have just invalidated your entire argument yep if you are just saying that this is how i look at it then you are you can't make the claims that you do especially when you presented it as fact a million times presents it so definitively this guy rounded up his fellow jews in the holocaust this guy's a nazi collaborator it's not from his words i get the sense that he was a nazi collaborator right i am inclined to be suspicious and believe that he is a nazi collaborator he's reporting it the fact that he's on rogan's show and rogan gives the smallest amount of pushback on this and be like that's not what i said and also that interview doesn't say what you're saying it does it's a matter of interpretation because he knows

that if he pushes harder or like if joe pushes harder or if alex says no absolutely he rounded up jews joe will then say how do you know that and alex will have no answer well that's why alex way out that's why alex brought up the npr interview because joe hadn't watched that one right but it doesn't say anything more no it was that it was that kind of that was such a slick move on alex's part of just like no okay fine you watch the interview that i lie about all the time well guess what there's another interview that does contain all the information that i need and i don't even know granted i always reference the 60 minutes interview when i want to make this point but because i'm challenged now i pull up another it's moving the goalposts entirely when you realize

that your fucking argument doesn't stand every time every fucking time and because he's able to do these things and because joe hasn't seen that npr interview and because joe doesn't have the fucking time to do the stuff that i do yeah in terms of looking into this stuff he ends up having to stipulate alex's conjecture or whatever he has to at least allow it to be like well i don't know right i can't say i don't know right and then alex he has to seed the point to him to some extent and alex saying it's open to interpretation i can't stress this enough that is a damning thing for alex to say because he would never say that on his own show oh fuck no if he's sitting there alone screaming buts or is he's gonna be like it's open to interpretation uh-uh that's

pathetic so anyway they talk more about soros and alex makes a claim about him that he's never made before and is kakamemi bullshit he's actually a dog george soros ran the breakup of the soviet union george i've had the former head of of what do you got jamie kind of thing type name george soros tried to crash the pound the pound so the pound stuff is fine we'll talk about that a little bit yeah it's actually now 14 ounces yeah it's a stone yeah um we will we'll uh we'll talk about that in the next clip but alex talks about him overthrowing governments all the time which is just him trying to help democratizing forces in former soviet bloc countries we've discussed that in detail it's all bullshit ad nauseam but he's never i've never i'm not going to say he's never

said it because i don't know but i've never heard him say that george soros ran the breakup of the soviet union and i'm here to say that if he did he should be alex's hero alex hates the fucking soviet union they were they are the big bad guys of the anti-communist propagandists that he hero worships the idea that soros quarterback to the breakup of the soviet union in alex's world should be seen as a heroic act it's crazy what a fucking idiot it is also crazy how that's a great question how what did he do that is not something alex explains who like who is he in charge of did he get a government commission he wrote that reagan speech about tearing down the wall yeah like what are you fucking talking about yeah it's nonsense that's ridiculous so like i said um

we're gonna get to this uh this question about breaking the pound uh i think we've talked about it a little bit before but there's a little bit of clarification that might be useful and this is really funny because this is the one of the only instances i think it might be the only instance where jamie looks something up that alex is talking about and actually find something well they find an explanation of it and then rogan reads it on air and alex tries to interrupt him while he's doing it to disrael dis uh to derail it like he does with obama speeches where he's like okay hold on you need to start that over again yeah yeah and uh rogan tries to push back against that and be like let me read this yeah um and then kind of finish you'll kind of finish you'll see

what alex is let me finish you'll see what alex's strategy is it's not good george soros is highest level deep state he he is the manager or was the manager are you she's you're saying i actually know but how do you know if you do research he ran the because i'm not the alex channel 10 years ago he ran the marshal we got here did george soros break the bank of england make the little bigger please now we're about to break the bank in britain black wednesday september 16 at night two the day the speculators broke the pound they didn't actually break it but they forced the british government to pull it from the european exchange rate mechanism joining the er m which was part of breaking the euro breaking the pound this wants the euro no scroll it up please uh all those stood apart from

the european currencies the british pound blah blah blah compounding the underlying problems inherent in the pound's inclusion in the er m i'm not seeing this where's the part where george soros does this well that's just what you pulled up but i'm just i'm just trying to find it there's an npr interview spotting the writing on the wall britain upped its interest rates to teens and attract people to the pound but speculators george soros among them began heavily shorting the currency the british government gave in and withdrew its er the er m uh as it became clear that it was losing billions trying to buoy its currency artificially although it was a bitter bitter pill to swallow the pound came back stronger because the excess interest in high inflation but joe force of the british notice

you go to investor pedia like it's the boss hold on he there's films about the soros soros soros pocketed one billion dollars on the deal and cemented his reputation as the premier currency speculator in the world now if you're a currency speculator isn't that what you do though i don't know what a currency speculator does listen i don't want to get into here here's the deal george soros works for the works for the people that run our government and he's a guy willing to do it all and he's been very successful so he just moves on to something else after this this like explanation that joe does poorly but he hits the points that are important like soros didn't crash the pound at all he profited off it because he was shorting the pound and the reason he was shorting the pound

is because of that european exchange rate mechanism yeah the er m when the uh the pound got into it they were resistant to get into it to begin with but when they did they made a huge mistake in terms of tying it to the german mark the uh the amount that they the exchange rate the george mark yeah the exchange rate that they nailed it to was something that was unsustainable yeah and it had to stay within a certain range above or below that exchange rate and because of the inflation rates and the interest rates in the united kingdom at the time it was just impossible for them to keep that up right soros and other investors he wasn't the only one he was just the one that made the biggest bet on it right we're able to recognize the signs on the on the wall the writing was all

over the place for anyone to see that they were about to have to default on this shit yeah and that was going to cause the pound to go down seriously and if you were able to see what was coming and you bet on it you would make a lot of money yeah soros looked at with their plan and was like that's a bad idea and then bet a shit ton of money that it was a bad idea well he had some concerns about it but what made him end up making the big bet that ended up winning him a billion dollars in all of this which should be a crime in and of itself i'm not thrilled with it yeah i agree with you on that you should not be able to make a billion dollars off spec we should really regulate speculation so hard but it's like even that article said the pound did come back much

stronger because of the the the crash it was terrible uh in the immediate but it was uh better in the long run to some extent but the issue is that soros was acting on um a report that he had heard uh from the the head of the german central bank he had given an interview and he was talking about how some even if some uh uh like some currencies would have to be devalued essentially because of yeah what was going on yeah and the mark was the like the prevailing uh standard of the the the the currencies yeah the german economy was the stronger yeah at that point so it was the standard bearer and so the idea that the president of the german central bank was coming out and saying those things soros was like if we're gonna move we gotta move today

yeah if we're gonna bet a million let's bet so much more right why not we see the signs here so he uh and his his boys made a massive bet that paid off huge yeah that's what it is he didn't break the bank the bank did it to themselves right and he profited off of it he had nothing to do with getting into the ER round he had nothing to do with the rate that they ended up nailing the the pound to as it relates to the mark there is nothing that he is responsible for in this other than what you might call a class of uh capitalist speculation yeah it's the big short all over again right so that's that's important uh because alex doesn't understand any of that shit uh and i don't even think i did a perfect job of explaining there's a lot more little details

in there but he's just blaming soros for things that you know who cares it's it's nonsense he has nothing i mean yeah you can explain it in a more detailed and complicated way but it does seem like the basic story is the british government did a bad thing uh unwise thing i don't know that's ethically bad right because it was morally bad has that i mean like stupid yeah yeah it doesn't seem like it was entirely stupid at the time it's it was maybe foolish and short sighted yes but it was in response to financial troubles that the pound was in when they decided to join right right it wasn't a decision that was taken lightly it was they'd resisted getting involved for a long time right um and then needed a force that would stabilize their economy and being in the ERM the

exchange mechanism was something that would help stabilize the economy so they chose to do that and were foolish in terms of the rate yeah they should have done a different rate soros was like got it bet all the money and then made a billion dollars kind of seems pretty like in retrospect it seems super simple i imagine that during that time soros was uh absolutely on the vanguard and so many other people were like this is a great idea and we're gonna we're gonna take that but it was probably terrified when he did it because if it doesn't pay off he's fucked because the way these sorts of speculatory bets go you're borrowing a ton of money to make the bet right you know and if if you're wrong and the pound goes up you have just now borrowed a ton of money and lost everything

and you have to pay that money back yeah but it does seem like relatively speaking it was probably a it probably wasn't that it probably wasn't that scary because it's it's one of those things where even if the pound does go up it is definitely not gonna go up by as much as the pound eventually went down do you know what i'm saying sure so he was going to lose 20 million dollars at the risk of making a billion dollars you know that's what's discussed in terms of a lot of these speculatory things but the game you're playing is so uh there's so many variables involved that like if something if in some wild world um the the british economy or the british the exchange rates the inflation all of that was able to come like they were able to

make it work in just the right way as to make them stay within the ERM yeah um and it went up he would have stood to lose so much more like if it went bad the odds of it going bad are not very high but if it went bad he would have been fucked he wouldn't be george soros right right right and that possibility did exist we would be right back with the vanderbiltz as our main globalist yeah this goes to his theory of reflexivity though too the idea that you have to be flexible within markets you have to see what's going on and act accordingly this giant bet that he made was an act of his reflexivity principles in in practice because the idea was we could bet like 10 million dollars on this or whatever and that's one way to do it but reflexivity would

tell you this is an opportunity where you can make a billion right so why not do that yeah this is an and oceans 11 you're gonna lose to the house but if you make a big bet blah blah blah blah the window is only open at certain times exactly the window is open now yeah so whatever i do believe that there is ethical conversations you could have about that but they're not what alex is having he has nothing he has no fucking idea what he's talking about you just wants to demonize this guy because he stands for and supports liberal democratizing forces in countries that he wishes were still part of the soviet union i guess or in america whatever yeah so whatever planet is that you think he has it's a bad idea i told you there's a rogue variable yes and you have correctly

guessed what it is eddy bravo eddy bravo shows up why because i where was he in the beginning well here's the deal from what i was able to gather eddy bravo was scheduled to do an episode after alex's episode and he showed up early well i think alex wanted him there because he needs somebody dumber than him or more gullible than him right right to be like he needs to have an elevated status over somebody and he can't have that with joe uh and also joe realized this isn't going all that well if i get eddy in here will at least have a third wheel yeah it'll be wild it solves everyone's problems right and so they text him and tell him to come oh man and so eddy shows up and i think this might be a part of why the episode ended up being five hours long

because they just decided to keep going but here is eddy's introduction to the episode alex gets fucking weird oh my god eddy bravo is here oh jesus christ you guys haven't choked each other out yet no we haven't had a great time earlier we're having a great time talking about uh two-dimensional beings it is this not so bro i don't fuck i'll choke you out with this shirt nasa eddy you know i'm gonna make you regret wearing this fucking so he eddy bravo comes in hot alex is wearing a nasa shirt and a part of it was to troll uh eddy because he doesn't believe space is real so wait he's a flat earth guy you know what i'm actually i'm fine with it it's complicated whatever eddy bravo wants so i think he was trying to fuck with eddy uh by wearing the

shirt and uh so eddy comes in i'm gonna choke you out with that shirt you son of a bitch good work just joking around yeah fucking shirt listen in high school we used to choke each other out that's like a DMT go ahead choke me up on there no no no no no please don't be hilarious please don't i'm not scared let's do it no no no eddy don't do it please don't choke him unconscious do it now please let's go do it do it do it you know you think i'm afraid of this let's do it no i do i definitely don't think you're afraid of this which is why i don't want him to do it you know what let's not be pussy choke me up so this goes on for a while alex is begging eddy to choke him and it comes up again like it's just this is a sad display of a drunk asshole um so eddy shows

up and he tells a story about being uh like i guess maybe he worked at the strip club or he was at the strip club i'm not entirely sure it's it's irrelevant um it was a flat strip club though this guy he the guy who ran the place was like if this little lady can choke me out then i'll give her the keys to my car and this young like a small woman who eddy had taught how to do a choke hold got up on a bar stool and choked the guy out and he passed out hit his head on the ground and as soon as he hit the ground he woke back up and he was furious and eddy's like you've got to give her those keys that sort of thing it's a fine story yeah he could have died it's yeah it sounds like that was a very concussion that was a very i could have died moment right there oh toxic masculine

but at the same time in the realm of joe rogan's show it's it's a fine story told well the stakes are the standards are so much lower fair fair so whatever eddy tells the story they all have a good laugh and then alex tells this story which i think he's trying to build on and be like aren't i fun too and it is deeply disturbing i don't think i've ever been choked completely out the first time i got the first time i got choked out was like the 17 year old super hot chick and i was like 13 tied up and she lived down the street no no she goes i already i got promiscuous i was pretty young like 12 and she goes i'll have sex with you this is a true story i'll have sex with you if you let me put makeup on you so i'm not in the

gaze everything so the girl puts the makeup on and have sex with her and she's super hot and then like a week later she goes she goes now i'm gonna choke you up and that relationship went really well until like 30 year old boyfriend caught me at her place once because her mom was working oh my god trying to kill me in the parking lot oh my god yeah oh my god so that's the guy he probably technically killed no no no no there's more stories coming okay dude that is a that's profoundly fucked up that's deeply disturbing yeah and i think some of his anger at the lgbt community and trains people in particular probably maybe stems from maybe has some part uh in this abuse that he suffered from the 17 year old other 17 year old girl who he was sexually

active with who forced him into cross dressing at a young age as a requirement to have sex with her if the story is true at all yeah but if it isn't why is he's bringing it like why these details are weird this sounds true and you know what there is no problem with that among two consensual adults yes yes no no you should not be forcing a 12 year old to put makeup on experimenting with makeup for any of that stuff is no big deal boyfriend is 30 years old that's another piece that's another piece of this she is also a victim this lady is 17 year old fucking a 12 year old and a 30 year old simultaneous she's got range this is a difficult situation yeah no but i mean what you what you're describing here not you but what alex is describing here if you really take all the packaging off it

and all the sensational uh look uh they got fucked and then choked out kind of stuff out of it you're describing alex jones as a 12 13 year old child being in a super chaotic environment like to the point where just existing in that space like i said about the last story he told just existing in a space where you're hanging out with a 17 year old girl who is being abused by a 30 year old boyfriend uh in the context of a quote unquote relationship that is enough to really have a lasting imprint in you that's terrifying yeah to a child that lack of control and and lack of stability that lack of any kind of real um what you need in your formative years to to integrate to to come to a healthy adulthood is absent there he's saying that this is a girl whose parents were

never home so she was fucking a 30 year old and then she acted out on me as well like there's no parental supervision around there's profound abuse happening it's just like like you take everything you take everything out of it and you're like what you're left with is like this should be a story for therapy not laughs on real show it's it's so much a combination of a lot of like fucked up things like the the worst part is is the way that this story is being told as if putting makeup on is first off gay shit right which go fuck yourself yeah uh and then second this story is being told like like how it's a hero story like how a whenever a adult male teacher has sex with one of his students everybody's like this is fucked up right but whenever an adult

female teacher has one has sex with one of her students we're like oh she's bad but everybody's like given that like the joke is they're given that dude high fives and you're like no no no no it doesn't this is fucked up it's traumatic to people's brains yeah yeah yeah it and and and to some extent i'll say that alex has the right to tell the story however he wants because it's his experience you know what i'm saying yeah i don't i don't think that you know we need to i don't know it's such a weird line like because what he's doing is normalizing all of these sorts of things by laughing about it be like isn't it awesome yeah which is bad but at the same time if that like i don't believe this is the case but if in the context of his lifelong therapy he's come

to peace with these experiences that he has no chance no but if zero chance if that were the case and he's able to laugh about it and be like isn't this crazy yeah like that sort of thing i don't think that's bad yeah but that's not what he's doing it is that is not what he's doing and and it's irresponsible of rogan and bravo to both be like ha ha ha this is funny like there's no way that anybody could tell me that story and i wouldn't be like that's you need to deal with that over you need to deal with that in a much better way than telling me this story like it's a joke yeah because that's fucked up yeah it's a mess wow yeah these people are irresponsible friends or accomplices yeah enablers enablers for sure um so in this next clip this is probably my favorite

thing that happened on the show and i say that like in the same way that like when you buy an album when you're a kid and your favorite song on it is the single yeah it's just not a good album right so you just like the single right right the rest of it this is before itunes allowed you to buy just one yeah yeah yeah you would be screwed over you're like why did i buy semi-sonics album i just like closing time why did anybody buy semi-sonics it's that or verve pipe yeah i like the freshman whatever it's that sort of thing you you get the album you're like fuck this that's kind of how i feel about this this is the single and i think this is one of the clips that's like probably gonna be gift uh and sent around and go big and what it is is eddie bravo trolling alex really hard

and it's hilarious on some level because eddie had been listening to the show on his way to the studio of course so he knows what alex has been talking about of course and he uses that against alex because he's drunk uh and alex freaks out let me tell you something right now come on let me tell you something right now i came here and i proved they're keeping bettys alive and taking their organs how did you prove that i see they're getting jamie pulled some shit up on google they admitted now that's you to normalizing it no the fucking the governor listen to me you really think do you really think there's people out there campaigning for late term abortions you think that's it's real you think that's it's real who would do that who would do that who would campaign

they fucking did it so to give a little bit of context this is the reason that eddie is trolling him like this is because alex does that about eddie's flat earth beliefs yeah so he's like he's mirroring all of alex's complaints about right right where did you learn that oh it's just a fucking youtube video all this stuff who actually believes there's a flat or like all that stuff so he's turning that around on alex just to fuck with him and alex is losing that's pretty great you can't fucking admit they're fucking killing arty more kids so you're telling me it isn't real when they had a fucking vote and the god damn fucking said it that doesn't know how to swear theory that's a conspiracy theory you think you're fucking tough you're about to get it

they're killing arty born babies stop fucking lying god fucking dead i'm gonna piss now don't get pissed go no i mean you saw the dude it's just fucking with alex alex alex alex alex alex i was fucking with you i was just playing with you of course i believe that alex do you explain of course i believe eddie it's all over the news i was just playing with you eddie let me explain to you well let me explain to you we went into a long conversation i heard it we played i heard it okay you heard it i heard the whole podcast i'm playing with that first off if you allow yourself to get fucked with by eddie bravo bad news that's that's shame on you shame on you it's not even fooling us shame on you no no that period fuck you're you lose you lose for good yeah there's

i mean it's delightful on some levels i in much the same way that when i like i told you i was at that aaw event yeah and the the wrestler eddie kingston punched out the guy in the crowd yeah like i don't know if that was i didn't know if that was real or fake for quite a bit right i still like the same way listening to this i don't know if alex's anger at this is performative yeah if you watch it you see his face he does look not like he's playing right he really and he's standing up yeah like sort of pacing a little bit yeah yeah but all of his outbursts of emotion always have a tinge of like this doesn't seem real it's not human he's a psychopath yeah but at the same time i don't really care that response to eddie clearly fucking with him and it takes a long time

to talk alex down you heard that there is like a minute alex alex there's at least 30 seconds alex i was talking with alex i was fucking with you i really i think the most damning thing look it's bad that alex got fucked with by eddie bravo that's that's pretty sad mm the worst part though is eddie bravo going of course i believe that like eddie you didn't even have to do that part you could have just said you were fucking with him yeah but then you say of course i believe but he does of course he believes it yeah he believes in flat earth yeah so alex screams more about this about the uh how the governor of virginia is that should be eddie bravo's t-shirt just of course i believe you of course i believe of course i believe you so he screams more about

the governor of virginia being an organ harvesting doctor uh and uh that's just a reference to him having a history in pediatrics yeah um but this is where he explains what happened and how he was under blackmail they're giving a bunch of goddamn fucking organ harvesting doctors control outside of law you heard that piece of shit fucking kkk guy fucking governor say we're gonna keep them alive after they're fucking born because they want to fucking take their organs it's incredible he's a kkk guy it's incredible it's so incredible that he's in a picture with a guy in a kkk outfit in blackface they elected him because he's blackmailed they had that shit and when he messed up and said we keep him alive to get their fucking organs they used that to deactivate him that's a good conspiracy

why do you think fraternities have you screw sheep and all this and you know give guys blowjobs that's why they're rejoining because they want to go back go back what say that again fraternities okay i'm so happily excited to do this podcast so you shouldn't be you can already tell just eddie being an eddie being in their funds yeah he has created a completely different environment even if like sure him fucking with alex caused this emotional outburst yeah what have you but like they threw out the rest of this it becomes much more palatable jovial yeah yeah like everyone has a position that they can work within and it's because eddie bravo is there the stakes are gone right like you don't have to talk about the seriousness of what alex

didn't sandy hook or any of that shit because eddie bravo's there and he believes that the earth is flat yeah and you fucking can't because eddie bravo's probably gonna be like yeah i don't think sandy hook happened either you're like no shut it down shut it down shut it down eddie eddie also i would say uh that alex another reason besides the fact that you're forced to fuck sheep and give guys blowjobs another reason you didn't join a fraternity is you went to a junior college and then dropped out so i would say that you probably didn't have an opportunity to join a fraternity but that's just my that's just my take on it you know splitting hairs so eddie is there alex wants to impress him and joe too yeah so they start talking about nazis of course at some

point alex talks about he has this really long thing that he goes on about how he used to have like a bunch of boxes in his garage and he didn't even know what was in him and then one of his it was actually dead nazi one of his family members was going through it and they found like a nazi medal he bought at a garage sale or something like that and they're like oh my god you're a nazi and then now everybody thinks i'm a nazi i'm like that's a family issue if your family member found a nazi medal and you're not able to have that conversation in a decent way that's on you that's on you and your family i don't think that you having a nazi medal makes you a nazi i understand people who have like a historical interest in that sort of thing i don't sandro bullock

i understand the possibility of that it'd be like if someone is super into world war two the idea of having these things are they're antiques they're relics it's not it owning those things as long as you own american things also or you know the allied powers i guess um as long as you have a spectrum of these antiques and not just nazi stuff then i think that that's that's very normal i think what he's describing is more like how he has no idea what humor is true like there's no way that because if you because if you did find that nazi medal you wouldn't think that he was a nazi what you would say his family member might well yeah his family members might probably because he's another other thing yeah yeah yeah but but that would still be like a running joke that would definitely be

something that you start throwing in there where you're like oh yeah haha you're a nazi because that medal remember that you know like that's just yep that's a possibility like you would totally do that yeah he might be interpreting how people respond misinterpreting because he doesn't have a sense of humor right so they have that whole conversation and it's whatever but now with uh with eddie in the proceedings he decides he's going to tell some deep dirt on the nazis by the way i said they were great it's a vetler oh there's secrets yep what are they but this is not the bs this is the real thing okay how do you know who's telling you this stuff classified eddie beyond classified eddie no i mean alex seriously do you ever think okay

because you have a lot of you have a lot of sources my grandfather was german in dallas and he worked for a uh the inventor of uh indoor air conditioning it was a billionaire in uh what about outdoor air conditioning what's the rich area dallas where the republicans all live god what's the name of that place harlington no it's not harlington it's the thing right there in the middle of dallas that's awesome that's awesome you think dallas is like all buildings there's a huge park and like all these big mansions dallas is all buildings anyways he lived up there and it was just for him you know i that's i'm not going to get into it the point is is that hitler was on the cover of time magazine and and he was who cares um the the the time

magazine stuff like they've been very clear about their man of the year doesn't reflect that we support them yeah it's not good it's like you know this is the guy who's dominated this fucking year unfortunately right so the idea that hitler was on the cover of time does not mean that they were like he's so awesome there is a conversation to be had about how like the bunds and stuff like that there were tons of american nazis and a lot of business interests were in favor of some of him oh yeah um so sure there's that no you can you can definitely go back and read a lot of pro killing all the jews shit but him coming up with time magazine is a really shitty version of this that's what he comes up with because he doesn't want to talk about his grandfather he wants to

introduce the idea that his grandfather gave him secret information yeah because he was a german living in dallas great uh he also killed kennedy too but then he's like i can't you know i can't i don't remember what my story is with this nope i don't want to get into eddie eddie i don't want to get into it eddie you derailed me yeah eddie you fucked me on this one i was going to tell some straight up amazing stories about a german grandfather but alex regroups and he gets back to his grandfather and i don't know if this is what he intended to say but this is where the story goes and it's fucked up my grandfather said it was really confusing for him because he he worked for this guy that was in refrigeration and air conditioning

when he was in high school and his dad owned the car dealerships in dallas and stuff they lived there they were at chariot dallas and what did they tell you well through one reason he wanted in the by the time world war two started to drop out of ut and you know all that and go join the army air corps so he tells you tell me all this time i'm gonna go your grandfather is a little eccentric now like my grandfather knew verner von braun when he came to us what events what yeah yeah what so anyways your grandfather was not one of von braun well who went to some of his events and yeah he came to you know what the ut events a little problem okay that's incredible the point is i'm getting too well because they were like german no wonder you believe in the moon landing i get it now

and he's still fucking with him eddie is fucking bringing fire if there's a hero it's any bravo once again i just consistently even the way he said verner braun he's you knew verner braun braun and like that's good timing on eddie's part like that's actually being funny yeah that like no i get why you believe in space yeah yeah yeah Jesus so alex's grandfather apparently new eddie is the hero a new earner von braun that's great i guess i don't know if that's true or not of course but if we allow it to be the truth it makes this next clip deeply fucked up this is a clip that like i don't care how many nazi medals you have i'll let that slide you say something like this i got questions finish your story my family's was what they called high german and so the high yeah that's what that

is uber mentioned so they only would talk to people that were in the club oh sure okay yeah so so anyways uh my grandfather and the family was like an uber mentioned and so you'll hike you the whole nine yards um so dude if you want to be clear about this alex is up here on rogan's show straight up saying that his family was recognized as part of the master race by a former nazi i don't think i need to take any more time out of anyone's day to explain why that's fucked up because uber mentions like that's a that's a nichy uh you know invention yeah but he was super against the nazis and against anti-semitism well after he had passed i believe it was after he passed i'm not entirely sure about the timeline but his sister was involved in co-opting the term because she was

nazi sympathizing yeah and so the idea of uber mentioned was like that's a that's a pretty strictly nazi idea that refers to the arian master race which you uh are reinforcing your belief in whilst telling this story and that your your family is a part of exactly but as recognized by high-ranking nazi werner von brohn yeah they were called high germans which is like oh do you mean they were nazis because it sounds like you mean nazi it does really sound like that it seems like your grandfather was a nazi it sounds like his grandfather was a fucking nazi your grandfather was a nazi alex alex alex alex grandfather was a nazi were those metals that you had in those box your grandfather's war medallion sure seems like it i don't fucking

know but you don't you if you are somebody who's like i fucking hate nazis they're terrible all that stuff you don't then get drunk on a fucking rogan episode to be like my grandfather knew werner von brahn my family is uber mentioned they're high germans and so we're in the club yeah you don't what the fuck they only talk to other people in the club the master race who else was in that fucking club nazi that's so damn it it's so damn it when i heard him say we our family is uber mentioned i was like oh god hey you know who doesn't say that the families of nazis now or families of not nazis those two those two are the main people who don't i would say that it's a venn diagram with a very small sliver uh no it's a venn diagram's the wrong way to look at yeah

it's a pie chart with the tiniest sliver that is just alex jones yeah this is my family oh no i guess neo nazis online who hide behind anonymity oh that's true yeah they're probably their families were also uber mentioned or at least they'll say they uh they were it's fun it's fun to be part of the master race dan i guess because you really don't have to deal with uh reality uh yes so he had high IQs sure um in this next clip we get another glimpse uh so earlier alex was talking about when he was seven or so and he heard his dad talking about making tooth cyborgs um and that's cool uh in his next which we now know is nazi tooth cyborgs apparently so we hear about his grandfather but it's to be fair we don't know if it's maternal or paternal grandfather we we're not entirely

sure on that he doesn't specify okay um he doesn't say the last name so i'm not sure like i would assume his mom's uh father's last name would be hamon right because her name is carol hamon his dad's father's last name would be bowie uh no no jones which is david bowie's real name oh glad that my dad didn't die when david bowie died weird so he overhears his grandfather talking about some stuff when he was a child and now he relates it to eddie and joe my grandfather would go so they'd see me down there like a week during the summer you know i was like eight years old i'm hearing this he's like bonbron has the plan for this orbital spacecraft would land it and we're gonna have you know artificial gravity systems and i'm hearing all this stuff he's not like markers

at the table like talking about it and i'm sitting there listening to this and he was talking about yeah then i was a lease hound for you know texaco and the only place you get a shake and fry steak out in mexico or west texas was a military base and all these goddamn nazis and you know one time i didn't want to do it but that guy smarted off about how they had more better at shooting our planes down so i went ahead and just rammed his head right through the wall and i never knew what happened after that but son you just got to kill nazis and those son of a bitch is our government brought in thousands of those assholes and and i'm like listen to this so i'm like i'm gonna read about nazis so i tell about ten i start buying books heritage i was like 12 when you're gonna read

foreign i want my cop they go are you a nazi like reading hitlers my struggle no i'm not a nazi my both my grandfathers told me how bad nazis were and both almost died fighting nazis so i wanted to know about nazis it was this whole ethos so i mean that you can just see how tangentially he's jumping around from topic to topic even if it's all kind of nazi related that story makes no sense there isn't a real point to it he doesn't really have any the only i think the point to the story is that he just revealed that his grandfather was a nazi and so now he has to rewrite that to make it sound like his grandfather wasn't a nazi well he also talks about this hvac guide that his grandfather worked for yeah um and apparently he was being like

extorted by the nazis like something like that he tells a really long story that's very convoluted about like the grandfather hated the nazis because this guy that he worked for had to send tons of money to the nazis sure and i because they were holding his family hostage or something along those lines uh i'm not entirely sure i didn't include that although that is kind of like informing what the like what conversation alex is trying to have yeah but because it doesn't make a lot of sense and if his point was that like the nazis extorted people like i don't know if that's the secret of hitler i don't know if like this that's a secret of 2017 that's for sure that's how he presents the beginning of this conversation i've got the deep uh better than classified information

about hitler it turns out that he blackmailed an hvac guy hvac uh hvac yeah um not a bad strategy no i'm i'm sure you want to make a little of that he's did extort a lot of people that that certainly is well within their uh repertoire yeah but you got to get a little bit of that hvac money especially during a time period where uh indoor air conditioning was just booming man again that was the beginning about outdoor air conditioning and that's wind you don't need to say indoor air conditioning you can just say air conditioning that's a useless qualifier you could call it central air sure that's a different what about what about decentral air that's there's a window unit there's a distinction there but indoor outdoor air conditioning is not a worthwhile distinction this guy is this guy is

crazy um so earlier we heard alex say that nasa was the real government and you you balked at they were the shadow government shadow equals real ah okay uh just like shadow the hedgehog is the real sonic we all know that i really don't think we do in this next i think that knuckles is the real anyway uh in his next clip alex doubles down on that and then explains how that came to be because rogan is kind of confused about the premise so when i say what is nasa if we can take nasa back over it's better than the cia it's the real government the spaceships and the stuff that's all pr nasa is the real government nasa there were two breakaway governments two shadow governments right talk about shadow government 20 years ago so we have three

total governments and so you had one that was british run and the germans came to our own us elites and said hey you always eat a couple plants they said we've got all this on the drawing board the eu a plan to poison the food and water to get rid of the dumb people a plan for a while basis with billion we've got by the way we're taking hardcore drugs and we're in contact with aliens how is it given us no it was the germans first got in touch well how'd they do it never really into the uh a cult drugs yeah okay thanks eddie thanks eddie for charming in there buddy so the reason i stopped you for a second like saying there's three governments is that because we now bring in foreign governments so there's like england's government too right and then you've

got germany's government uh so we have a we now have the eu as well so we have at least two got well the eu is a plan put together by the nazis by the german breakaway secret program that may or may not be nasa right but the germans contacted aliens first right way back which means they were the ones who came up with uh and he just described the they came with everything evil and he just described the globalist plan that he attributed to the billionaire conference right but it's actually but those billionaires only had that conference and talked about it because they were aware and we're getting information from these germans or maybe not germans who are in contact with aliens right so i was right it did take more than one conference i would assume so to come out with that

plan but it i'm just saying that it does make sense i guess so the germans are in touch with aliens and they're getting this uh this information from them so the problem that i have is that like what we have here is alex is presenting a dichotomy of two breakaway governments one is the british and one is the german and they're at war with each other to some extent and there's nasa but yeah no but that's the german secret space program or whatever that he's presenting oh when we brought verna ron brawn over that's nasa what is nasa but american for not but he's also presenting the uh british breakaway government as being involved in our government as well right it seems like if the two were at war would be incongruous for us to have both of them existing within the same body

but he doesn't really sweat the small stuff here is the other thing that i think everybody's missing and i would say even alex uh king george immortal and has been behind the scenes of the british government this entire time i would say everything else is a fucking plot i would i would say here it's distraction it's sleight of hand king george still alive your theory is interesting but i would say i would say is it interesting i would say that the thing that alex is missing everyone is missing and your theory is missing is citations i would say what it's missing is any underlying proof other than i heard a weirdo say this you haven't seen enough youtube videos that's not good citation youtube that is not good i read it in microsoft in karta so another problem

is that he's saying there's these two breakaway governments one is the british one is the germans the germans influenced our nasa through the operation paper clip and all the nazis coming over and what have you right but then we have this that also makes it difficult for me to integrate all of these ideas into my mind we merged with the british empire in like 1930 okay that's what the cfr is is british intelligence and u.s intelligence so the u.s runs the show okay so you've got you've got but german intelligence came to eisenhower and said listen you don't need to do all this we haven't given them the real technology what we're in contact with aliens and the whole plan now where are you getting this from your stadium so confidently it's in the literature man hitler

like would go the literature mainline historical books about s s s castles where they go the aliens want blood so they kill like 20 kids and everything so the aliens would like come in and they take the blood brings them in like sharks and then they might give them technology they go this is how it works you build the atomic weapons this way you build that they would like show them bombers and like the aliens are like telepathic i don't even believe this this is what the nazis was and the aliens were mind-meld and given the technology they're bad aliens so are you surprised the nazis were influenced by demons yes no if demons are real i would definitely think they'd be on the side of the nazis yeah but what i'm telling you is there'll be no media no media is

going to attack this problem i'm giving you wanted to know where i can read it where can i read that those statements that they were in contact with the aliens obviously your podcast about nazi vreel society v r i l society if you let me put a group of chicks that's the aliens right up there with them like doing hey i'll come over three hours if i can fly here with a report i'll send it all to you with mainline books i'll mail the books with tabs in them okay and i'll mail documents okay alex is saying basically i'll prove this to you but i need a rebooking in order to do it i mean he's dangling a carrot out in front of joe yep we'll do it we'll do a follow-up one where i prove all of my conjecture about but then granted i have no citations on

me right now but i will send you those books we're going to we're going to do this again and i'll send you the books ahead of time it was going to be great those books are not going to say the things alex says uh this is never going to happen although we'll probably get a rebooking yeah not probably that piece will probably actually why would you mail books with uh little marks of them little tabs sure yeah great and also if you have those books you got the little tabs you should know what books they are you would think especially when they are pieces of what you think is the big truth of the world and that is that nazis got all their technology from aliens and the aliens wanted blood and all that stuff where are you getting this from if you can

only say the literature you don't know what you're talking about you don't want to give that citation because you know that if you do someone to look at it and be like oh this is a book written by a crazy dude this is a nonsense book this is a project camelot book i'm a big fan of the idea that germans came to eisenhower and were like guess what all our technology is from aliens that is a good meeting well that's a part of that's a good meeting that's a good day the eisenhower very boring man bit of a tea totaler has a meeting with some germans finds out aliens are real of course he's got to take a drink and he's got to take a drink oh there's no dog he's off the wagon no he's he's doing the opposite of the the guy with the brown bag who's

seeing seeing all the pink elephants he's like dude brown bag me up yeah well i mean like that is a part of the project camelot like alien narrative in some i don't know how pervasive it is but it's fairly common well the idea that eisenhower signed a treaty with aliens in order to allow them to kidnap people for scientific purposes yeah in exchange for technology right but that's a few drama episode but it's also based on people actually believing that yeah in these communities yeah yeah for sure so what alex is operating off of is sort of a artful retelling of that where he's incorporating the nazis coming in and and and being a part of that deal and maybe that's a part of people's uh paranormal arguments as well i don't know i'm not super well

versed in the nuance i believe it's also hellboy's origin story sure that fish guy yeah that fish guy i don't know i read hellboy years ago i thought it was fine it was fine yeah um so alex gets into a bit of a jag here trying to say that hitler was set up which we know he believes yeah yeah yeah um the idea that uh uh you know the all this misrepresentation of carol quigley's work those those sorts of arguments about like these uh the these the globalists as it were or the insiders whichever terminology the writer chooses they controlled all sides of the conflict and manipulated hitler into doing what he did in order to blobby blue just like they manipulated alex into saying that sandy hook was fake we're gonna get to that oh boy but in this next clip alex is talking about

his belief in uh all that hitler set up stuff and his biggest piece of evidence or his biggest argument is that bullshit story that we've talked about a bunch of times with rudolf hess about him uh flying in with a signed peace treaty right parachuting into england uh also by the way bad news it was scotland but um you know all this nonsense about his flight alex talks about this and then i as i was listening to it i realized some major problem we've never pointed out with alex's theory and i'll tell you it on the other side of this clip rudolf hess was the deputy furor they got hitler totally love but you never hear about him since 1941 because they had a peace treaty with edward the eighth who was the king of england who was a nazi and who was german first family was german

and they had a deal to stage the attack the french stood down vici french didn't fight they put they put nazi occupiers in so here's the thing we've talked a lot about the problems with alex's fake story about rudolf hess having a peace treaty that would have ended world war two but he was set up all that shit yeah first off his name was rudy hess and it's kind of rude to call him rudolf kind of rudy to call him that nice i don't care to rehash that here but i do want to point out this glaring hole alex says that rudolf hess had a treaty for peace that represented a deal between the germans and edward the eighth the problem with this is that edward hess's flight for scotland happened on may 10th 1941 now why is that a problem well because edward

the eighth abdicated the throne on december 11th 1936 world war two didn't even start until 1939 three years after he had stepped down as king so he never would have actually been in a position to negotiate a peace this narrative is complete trash and only works if you have no idea about the basic facts about when things happened something that alex seems to have no grasp on you know you know in your heart you cannot step down as king once a king always a king then uh no yeah no it's like it's like narnia he wanted to marry a divorcee and that was uh not done that was absolute that was a scandal the uh the church yeah so he abdicated the throne for that a couple years later world war two broke out he was in no position to be in charge of the country because he wasn't the king

he wasn't even in england for most of that time right he was abroad because he was kind of a scandalous figure in england yeah and that whole that whole narrative of like he was actually german and all that stuff the the royal families of most of europe are are have been fucking each other for forever we talked about that yeah in world war one half the countries fighting were related to each other their royalty was related to well and if you go back to because royalty has such like a lineage basis you go back to a time when uh countries uh borders weren't what they are today so you have like old kingdoms and stuff like that that existed um that don't exist anymore and so you have inter marriages of the kingdom of a part of germany right modern germany right wasn't germany then

it was the holy roman empire and all that shit yeah you have all that stuff that makes it incredibly complicated but easy to misrepresent there's there's it's fertile ground for lying about stuff but but the reality doesn't match up i just think it's fucking hilarious that alex believes in 1941 rudolf hess would have had uh a peace treaty signed by edward the eighth that would mean anything like that would actually mean anything yeah yeah yeah because if it were a peace treaty that was signed between them it would have to be a peace treaty that existed before world war two even started it would have to be a five-year-old peace treaty that two years predated the outbreak of world war two which makes no sense furthermore the king was not in control of the country right

even if the even if he was still the king alex does talk some shit on chamberlain he does talk some shit on chamberlain hey that's fine uh but who cares because this next clip is far more important get that motherfucking vodka loose no no i don't think i have to look for it's fake i need to hear about aliens i'm gonna take a poll if that's a guard but i don't smoke marijuana you don't take a poll if that's a guard but i don't smoke marijuana yeah that's a guard that's a guard that's a guard that's a blunt nobody has ever turned a swishersweet my friend that is a blunt uh but also i love the that's fake vodka just fucking own it just fucking own it i mean if you're on his show and you're doing the whole like uh shittily swearing at things because you're really bad at it yeah you might as

well say you're getting drunk too yeah why not nobody's nobody's gonna give a fuck no the the cutesy nonsense doesn't serve any real purpose i just think it's uh i don't know and you're in la probably without your family because you're gonna fly back the next day or whatever i would say just it it what i look at it is just like it's probably just bad humor it's it you know the idea like this is fake vodka we all know that it's really pretending that it's fake yeah no one would believe that yeah it's not saving face or anything it's just vodka it's just water it's just a dumb bit it's just that's all it is i guess our criticism is this is stupid fucking bit grow yeah so at this point uh joe wants to know uh because alex has presented this when did the connection between

aliens and nazis start now you might think tuesday you might think it was tuesday you might think that that's a question that alex can answer but you'd be wrong uh he just decides to start rambling about other things tell me how the connection between aliens and the nazis took place when did all the start let me let me begin at the beginning this is really i'm telling you joe this is a real deal i believe you this is where they it's people who are psychically genetically available to interface native american this incredibly diverse universe with all these dimensions above and below and all around us with consciousnesses and the truth is no energy's ever destroyed it all continues on the truth is our bodies this is a fact or a communal hive organism

of all of our ancestors and all of their race memories but not in just some compressed epigenetic system it's beyond that it's an electrochemical antenna they've proven this it connects to higher and lower dimensions so our body suit because our our our predecessors would put us in position without giving us a body suit that is them our families are loving us they're holding us they're wrapped all around us their strength and will they're bad they're good their sins really like things they did the battles they won the battles they lost the woman they loved the the man they loved it's all in us all these people it's while we're able to look into so many things and have so many different experiences why does that give us more experiences the idea that ghosts

live within us and they're holding you all the time right they're loving us i don't like ghosts i don't either i also don't like most of my family like not not to say that i don't like my family or anything like that yeah that's what i was saying i don't fucking know most i wasn't saying i don't like my family do you go past my grandparents who i have some i have some serious questions about you go past them i don't know any of those people i've never met them i would like them to leave me the fuck alone yeah i don't care for this idea of us being a hive organism of like the the sins and victories of our our past like i find that that okay alex if that's the case then free will is completely non-existent yeah well no in my you aren't you aren't uh like he's like i love

individualism rugged individualism how is individualism isn't even possible if you are a hive organism of everyone in the past right also hey me i have a brother right so me and my brother come from the exact same genetic line right so you're saying that are they no no no they take a side simultaneously okay i want to go in dan i want to go in david is it like a is it like a divorce situation where they have to choose a their favorite in a schoolyard uh stickball game where you're picking teams you know like you know david goes first obviously he's the oldest wow so like that you know whoever that's rude that is but you know what i'm saying i do it's nonsense or does all of you do all of your ancestors split depending on how many children they are and then after like five generations

they've got to be split a hundred different places this makes no sense um it's it's ludicrous nonsense that alex has romanticized and pretended that he's proved in some way yeah but we also know i guess he's referring to rhizome theory as the idea of proof behind it or what he says it's not the epigenetic stuff so right so he's saying it's something beyond that right which means it's crazy but here's the bigger point is like we know this from listening to alex that a lot of this stuff goes back to like religious ideas for him uh huh so what he's expressing seems like some sort of a trippy far out kind of idea but what it really is is a piece of his religious zealotry and so joe is allowing him to express these sorts of things that really are fundamental pieces of what makes him a religious

radical in many ways yeah christian fundamentalist weirdo um and it's just unquestioned because he doesn't understand what alex is even saying i agree yeah he just thinks it's he thinks they're high and they're talking about space he doesn't realize that alex is like and that's why god is controlling the world and but also there's globalists and shadow governments but it's all under god he does kind of get to that in a little bit but um in this next clip we get another glimpse of what alex's dad has told him about the past um and again it's uh dubious my dad didn't tell me this dentist until he saw in game and he said no son we had virtual reality goggles and we had cd rom and we had things and then something else happened and i'm not at liberty to get into it but i was shown

three years ago what the university of washington was doing under bill gates and this is in the 90s what were they doing what do you do they they don't even know what they're being given it's intervening us so you think it's some sort of alien intervention type shit dude they they they to get even deeper they turn your heart off for five minutes and they pump oxygen into your blood and you're in the meetings i've talked to people they're involved i mean top scientists and you're in the meetings with freaking aliens elves is the main group but they're like so by shutting your heart off it makes you have that psychedelic experience by keeping blood in your oxygen it keeps you alive well let's explain okay yes please heart goes out the body thinks it's dead

right so you can stay in longer i don't know all the science behind it yeah of course not no shit no shit understatement of the century i don't know all the science right you also don't know that like bill gates didn't run washington university he did no i saw it he donated a bunch of money there because his dad was an alum from there and he grew up in washington all that stuff like yes there is an association of bill gates in the university of washington why did he donate all that money because he was killing people for five minutes aliens that's like a fucking teaser for next week on house yeah like there legitimately was an episode of house where like next week on house in order to save his patient they have to have to kill her whoa yeah jesus yeah there's that sort

of stuff now granted i did look into this a little bit and i'm no doctor i'm not a scientist but it does seem like if you did stop someone's heart and you were able to keep blood flow to their brain then it you could keep them dead for like five minutes yeah it's in theory possible because the difficulty is when your heart stops it stops pumping blood and therefore there isn't oxygen that ends up going to your brain right and if your brain doesn't have oxygen for a certain amount of time it becomes damaged to the point where you just can't come back yeah so i believe that there is a theoretically a theoretical possibility that what he's talking about wouldn't necessarily kill all these people but it seems incredibly stupid it doesn't seem like a way

that you'd have them go into meetings with aliens i don't know i think that there's a lot more he needs to prove even if that is medically hypothetically possible right that's what i'm saying also like even then but that sounds more like you're describing those uh i died for two minutes on the table and i saw heaven visions where it's like no your your brain just ran out of oxygen and you hallucinated before you died you didn't actually leave your body or anything like that and joe pushes back on that sort of idea quite a bit and pretty well i didn't include any of those clips but it does deserve like a shout out or whatever and that is that when he talks about his own dmt experiences and like psychedelic experiences he's like yes i absolutely communicated

with something but that's not to say that it wasn't within my head like there's no reason to assume and i'll he even says i'll never be able to know either way right so what's the point you know that's a good idea you know whatever you're talking to could be a manifestation of your own subconscious or any of those sorts of things like so like yeah yeah that has the that has the like uh your best bet is the shrouding your cat kind of uh jumping into the multiverse where it's like you have uh you keep shooting you have one bullet and you keep shooting and you keep shooting and at a certain point you're actually realizing that you've jumped into the multiverse and the only person that you could ever prove that to is yourself somewhat but i also i would look at it like this we can prove

that the subconscious mind does exist we haven't proven that extra dimensional beings do exist so when i'm presented with two possibilities uh these entities that i'm talking to when i'm hallucinating are either a part of my own subconscious or they're demons from another dimension trying to talk to me considering one of those things i'm confident is real the other i don't know i'm i think it's probably rational to err on the side of i don't know but if i had to choose an explanation i would go with it's in your head no wonder you believe in space because my grandpa knew where if i'm wrong he didn't so in this next clip alex talks about the fruits of the bill gates killing people for five minutes and going to meetings with aliens

it turns out they give you technology when you're in there oh that's nice now here's a big problem for alex joe asks for examples oh not good not good and it's like the things that aliens tell them they come out and they tell scientists and it works show like what kind of shit they didn't let me tell you a kill for this stuff joe this is not why do you think they want me to come on man boo pass how would you fail you could have grabbed fucking microwave yeah why not just go with the microwave say anything fucking car anything who gives this shit anything yeah you're saying something absolutely crazy you might as well attribute some technology to it and the premise that they kill people for saying specific technologies that the aliens gave you

but not talking about the idea that aliens gave them the technology yeah is an absurd line for any kind of shadowy world government to draw absurd fucking stupid so now we get another childhood memory of alex's where he overheard something that i don't believe is true but turns out there was a lady who used to come over to his house when he was a kid this is is this all about fucking no this doesn't have to do with fucking oh okay this one's just overhearing another his stories are gross yeah yeah they're real gross this one isn't gross it's just stupid here's what i'm telling you about when i was a kid eight nine whatever it was this one this lady would come over that had known my parents in c ut and was involved and she'd talk about yeah we

call it a psychedelic research institute or whatever the name was but it's really a cia deal and you know we just can't find people who can handle it they're going in the elves want this and the elves want us to basically reduce population and agree to these certain plans and it's always the humanization and they call me elves it's clockwork elves and they're like yeah and i'm listen to my parents like seven years old like they don't think you're listening talking about well this is what the elves want and this is what they're gonna do and the thing is it's not parents are that special you go out to san francisco that's all there is dude it's a cult man you know all these guys you know from san francisco dude you look at look at the head of google or youtube or freaking

apple he's on tv tim cook and his eyes are this big under lights man these guys are on stuff that like nobody even knows what do you think they're on stuff they've been given i mean i know people at ut they won't tell me specifically but i'll tell you like the dude who owns youtube who's that guy what's his name he's a girl he's a sexist pig he's an album man so eddie for the win one more time well but alex at the end there says like youtube is just alphabet it's just the same company yeah it's google alex doesn't fucking realize that uh susan wojakiki uh has been the ceo of youtube since 2014 they have a ceo it's a fucking company just because they're own it's not like here because he doesn't yeah he doesn't deal with these things realistically if he did he would be yelling

about susan all the time because he got kicked off youtube yeah he doesn't because he thinks like no it's just all jack yeah there's like four companies who own all media or whatever like everybody has their own subsidiaries and all that doesn't mean that the company still have their own ceo's and shit right you're just owned by eddie is like who uh who's the ceo of youtube and alex is acting like there isn't one yeah like and that indicates to me a lack of interest or lack of knowledge about and hey eddie it's a woman yeah i mean joe calls that out you didn't have to say uh that guy but i also think that joe might have called that out because he does know that yeah he makes a lot of money off youtube i think he does that's a business that he is deeply involved in

he probably knows exactly who the ceo of youtube is probably it's probably i mean i would say it's pretty safe to say he's in the top one percent of youtube channels yeah i would i would say so so obviously he's he's probably met her before it's possible i would say it's unlikely he hasn't uh where where would he have met a meeting oh okay oh no why is the ceo in meetings with joe rogan because he's one of their biggest uh money makers yeah but you have somebody else he makes tons and tons uh i have the director of programming rogan makes demands i want to see the ceo i can't imagine rogan saying that so at this point i don't think this has been a good show not our podcast i don't think this has been a good show that rogan and alex and eddie are doing eddie has

helped but i don't think this is a good show so it made me real bummed out when alex said this but i don't want to burn this out there's important stuff to cover alien i think this is a good podcast but you need to drink some whiskey tell me about your sponsor wasn't uh so so we switched to the brown liquors no no he's telling rogan to drink the whiskey rogan's drinking whiskey alex's drinking tea does that's that's somehow that's disappointing oh yeah because i kind of i kind of thought whiskey's in the room yeah i thought the reverse would be the case i i figured rogan would be drinking some tea does disappointing maybe alex is sponsored i i have lost that is an austin vodka right i have lost respect for alex the first time thought he was a highway man i thought he

believed in it i thought he stuck to his principles dan no i'm not the clear liquors gross so they talk a bit more about aliens and it's mostly inconsequential bullshit that is so vegas to be meaningless yeah but then joe starts speculating about the gray aliens and alex the grays well it's not the grays what is it our grays oh what do you mean by our grays i mean our project came a lot grays yes okay all right it turns out alex knows all about him okay do you think grays are like like a robot yeah i think i've heard that theory that it's not a real thing pro the idea is that a certain point time you can interface with that robot so that you could see it in real time through its eyes somewhere else do you believe in grays are real no no this is what i'm saying if if one day in

the future biological androids hold on okay sure i do like i'm sorry i cut that too early he's like hold on i was like hold on hold on alex your interjections fine grays are biological androids fine so now i mean cool are we talking we're deep i mean we're into a project came a lot situation here yeah 100 the stuff he's saying is like oh this is directly in line with these these space liars that we talk about all the time but he's doing it intentionally i prefer carry yeah you too it's it's really disappointing joe rogan's supposed to be a big deal and i think carry's way better than him at this i think that at least because joe and eddie are laughing about stuff that helps the pill go down a tiny bit yeah that's true but yeah she at least gets more information out of

weirdly yeah weirdly somehow she's a better interviewer well she because she's she has an agenda whereas joe doesn't really that's true and he didn't know that alex was gonna get drunk and start yelling about how aliens give us all the technology but that i think he did but that's a strategic move that alex is making because now that they're past the rapprochement don't need to worry about our relationship don't need to worry about sandy hook i made my my new lies or my refined lies clear at the beginning of this and now i'm going to make an angle for your listeners yeah because they may know me as like crazy conspiracy guy but no i've done dmt every night because of my thick neck and i know everything i am a psychic i know about the germans and the nazis

meeting with aliens that continues to bill gates back when he was at washington university killing people for five minutes so they could go have meetings the aliens that's why uh ibm exists and i am not going to talk about trump at all he does talk about him later oh yeah very interesting okay what he says really but first before we get to that we find out that alex he already said this earlier uh that he's not in the cia but he has to reiterate it but because he reiterates it he accidentally says something that most people probably don't know what he's saying but we do let's just say this i'm not in the cia me neither i'm not in the nsa me neither but they've been tracking me my whole life hmm you think they give you disinformation sometimes for sure it was the

former deputy director basically the cia section chief founder of delta force who got me to go like a two weeks he goes alex you're not saying sandy hook stage you need to go say sandy hook stage he goes oh we have the people we're there and just because he was famous mit scientists and stuff i went with that so do you think they already had any computers probably i'm speculating looking way out to set me i mean i don't know i'm sure this people setting everybody up so joe did not respond to that well because he doesn't realize that what alex is suggesting is that back in 2012 they had supercomputers that could tell the future and know what was going to happen and so somebody from mit the cia came in and told him to say that sandy hook is fake because alex

is clearly misspeaking he said two weeks ago yeah that's i think he's trying to say two weeks after sandy hook or whatever i'm i because two weeks ago he didn't say that it was staged or anything like that that doesn't that doesn't represent reality but you know who alex says is in the cia you know Steve pachene you know who else believes that sandy hook was fake and told alex to say it stevy pachene you know who else has a degree in international relations from mit pachene me Steve he's talking about steve pachene oh yeah 100% he probably doesn't want to bring that up though because uh eddie bravo likes steve pachene really yeah god damn it eddie but he's a fan so you're such an up and down character so there's a part of it that alex might not want to directly attack

steve pachene right something like that by last it caused ripples yeah or an argument he doesn't want to have with eddie but he's pretty clearly saying and he's bolstering steve cia credentials and stuff like that obviously um and probably mixing up multiple people but the main person he's clearly talking about is uh steve yeah i was i was listening to that thinking too many of the details match up with how he characterizes steve is this another situation where we're finding a one more excuse that it's not his fault it's not as well steve told us stuff it's not as fuck off but again that's just a specific example of the excuses he was making earlier exactly yeah yeah i got bad information and and eddie asks him in that clip it's like do you think that's possible

that your sources give you misinformation and alex is like yes and then that's one of the examples of misinformation steve pachene if you are aware that your sources sometimes give you misinformation don't operate on the information people give you any of that information figure out clean information sources yeah and then use those instead of these people who are lying to you because of their own agenda i do want to give rogan credit for a titanic immediately after the i've been followed around by the cea all my life that spoke volumes what is it uh brevity is the soul of wit yeah that sort of thing oh yeah economy of language just a well-placed hmm because it is also that wouldn't work without the i'm not in the cia mean either i'm not in the

nsa mean either they've been following me all my life hmm such a good such a good hmm it's clear he's been doing stand up for decades yeah that's timing timing is important yeah so alex is sort of pressed to the wall here by by the the party uh to give sort of what how do you know this stuff you're you're so confident about the idea i'm lying the aliens gave all these people technology and here's where we get back to prometheus our boy general albert burt stubblebine i have literally been trying to find out what's going on and as you get older you figure out more stuff i'm not the one saying there's all these aliens the entire government and all of these advanced groups that's why they've given up on space is they're all about interdimensional so i didn't finish up

about i want to get any take then i'll get into your take okay is that i've got a pretty good understanding by interviewing a bunch of people involved about what the master plan is and exactly who we're dealing with because it's not just one group of aliens raptors what what's the different groups and what will you base this on like what when you say it you're saying like really like you know about general stubblebine right no don't okay well he was a major general so it was a three-star general he was general is the head of all class clandestine operations for the u.s government for like 15 years he wasn't and he sat on my show before he died at like 98 or whatever but also in private discussions and this is like six seven years ago and i was interviewing

like 15 years ago i mean this is the guy that ran the whole show sure you know men who stare at ghosts yes that's a joke about that it kind of white washes it all so this indicates and this is i hate this so much and he does this a bunch on the show like when he's talking about that investopedia article about soros and the pound he's like this is a white wash of soros's history men who stare at goats that's a white wash on stubblebine because he successfully walked through walls and teleported or whatever you can just say whatever information you can find you jordan whatever information you can find is a white wash of the reality that i've been able to find now i refuse to tell you where i found that information i won't give you any citations on it i'll say it's

mainstream literature it's in the it's in the documents it's classified all that stuff but i won't prove to you anything i'll just say that anything that you think is real is a fucking white wash and that mentality is exactly what alex was talking about at the beginning of the show as being his past mindset where everything i got into this mild psychosis yeah you're in it right now i can point you to primary sources i have them it's in all the articles okay well the article doesn't say what you want that's a lot that's because they're hiding what you really fuck off the white wash fuck you now this next clip i don't think it has much to do with anything um but it's like we i like i fucked a rabbit that's later no it's not but i like to celebrate

when alex gets esoteric in a way that i like like a pure kind of like a true esoteric when there's almost poetry to what do you say uh-huh and this next clip has like the uh the ocean with the tree the river is the tree that sort of ocean is the tree that is the river yes got you it seems to be the these moments where he's getting uh deeply poetic and there's no agenda to it necessarily just something weird just some wacky bullshit i think this is as close as we get on the episode okay consciousness in the universe is an interdimensional spacecraft beyond that that looks like a comet from my research and it it has it has its head it has its corona that's consciousness consciousness it carries evil in the tail end so consciousness has a location

no there is this giant consciousness is god okay swimming in a giant system of survival of fitness that god has created to test god's self what okay it looks like a comet so you got god's consciousness and all the good things the knowledge one forward but god knows that everybody has to be tested so the tail goes out and at the end of the tail is basically evil that's why christ says get behind me satan and it's always trying to test god and infiltrate up into it to sabotage that's not a comet's work damn don't say they do pull the plug in this podcast is a good way to end this motherfucker they're so deep into it at this point like it's gone long already past the three hour mark that they usually yeah rogan's shows usually go and so there is a sense that like both

him like they all want to end it yeah they're all running out of gas and then we just got the consciousness is a comet and evils of the tail that's the like call it guys that's the like late house party i got a lot i gotta get out of my house that's the mercy rule at a fucking baseball game it's 10 to nothing let's move on that's the there's four ways to learn like kind of sort of thing someone's expressing that you're like not much more to do here no we got it we uh you are gone you're expressing from my deep research i find that consciousness is in the shape of a comet who is researching i don't know how about the shape of the shape of consciousness i don't know we might be talking about some that did that was the fish fucking oh that was the fish fucking

movie that was actually an autobiography from alex i could have been yeah could have been back when he was 13 and he had a 17 year old fish fish choked him out made me wear gills for a while this is just crazy i mean i enjoy it on one level and i enjoy joe's sort of uh the incredulousness about it like wait what that consciousness has a location well no it's god swimming around in the uh survival of the fittest prism that bob like sure man that's a lot of words hey um yeah so we're out of beer we got three left ah i'm out of beer drinking ability you have one more you know it's really time to go when i was 12 i fucked a serpent i all right okay all right let's do this so alex talks about the consciousness

being the shape of a comet and the back part of it is evil and that's why jesus says get behind me satan blah blah blah sure that makes perfect whatever and this leads into alex talking about how he's a psychic he's already talked about how he has these dmt dreams and so he's every night everything everything everything and so he talks about being a psychic and i want to say that this made me so delighted because he's talked on his own show about the idea that he saw himself getting mugged in a dream and then that dream and that yeah yeah and he does tell that story later but what he leads with is this and this made me laugh so hard so briefly and you jump in there Eddie let me tell you what my deep research and basically vision is okay vision just means you're

like like things crystallize epiphany sure to to talk about 12 dimensions 11 known 12 being omnipresent so we don't say it actually exists what to say that is arrogant so i won't say that but i have had dreams my whole life that come true and the weirdest thing like a lady drops a thing of pickles at the store for five years i have a dream and then one day i'm there and it's the woman in the pickles break or or i don't know when was this tickling i was a kid it was more intense that is fucking crazy so you for five years you had the same dream and then one day it happened yes was it exactly how you dreamt ish fuck i would say my response would also be fuck because alex had a dream about a woman dropping a jar of pickles for five years if there

was some sort of like celestial intelligence that was granting alex his prophetic visions for five years it wasted its time telling him eventually you're going to see a woman drop a jar of pickles wait hey you could stop it or not it doesn't matter it's inconsequential they don't care she's not going to be charged for the pickles that she dropped someone's going to have to clean it up i guess it'll be a mild inconvenience for an employee so low stakes this psychic ability universal consciousness is it turns out very petty it is not it's like or try it's just nonsensically god damn it no one is nobody knows that this lady is going to drop these fucking pickles where the universal consciousness or we've got to tell somebody or god is a cucumber

god could be a cucumber possible hates pickles no well no the pickles are his children no they're not his children they're bastardizations of his children bullshit it's a metaphor they dropped the pickles because god despises the pickles no no no no you yeah god wanted alex to save the pickles are the fallen children of god god wanted alex to save the pickles because through pickling the cucumber becomes its greatest form much like what do you mean it becomes its greatest point much like a caterpillar going into a larva becoming a butterfly now coming going to the pupa stage or whatever uh you you put those cucumbers in pickling juice becomes so much better you do not realize god understands that cucumbers are racist as fuck cucumber god cucumbers are racist as

fuck pickles to to cucumbers pickles are uh what miscegenation is to white supremacists that's the that's the only thing we're gonna have to agree i'm gonna stand on this one hard you have to agree this is the hill i die on damn this conversation makes as much sense as anything alex is bringing to the table so that's a bad sign um in this next clip alex talks more about his prophetic dreams and he says something about a dream he had when he was a much younger man and this is uh this this to me was uh real fucked up and this is a little bit of a longer clip but it's because i wanted to illustrate how alex's brain is functioning like the way which is not the way he's chaining thoughts together um is deeply troubling uh you'll see what i mean as soon as this gets going

and and they'll use this against people notice they don't touch it because it's their whole religion and they can't stand i'm talking about it i'm touching it by the time i was like three years old i would have this dream that god has because god knows everything is this super intelligent omni president unlimited dimensions but god doesn't know where god came from so just like we're trying to find out where we came from god is like a virtual reality simulation as well i want to jump in here really quick and say that i think that recently he read scott adam's book god's debris uh the guy who created dillbert yeah big maga guy now he wrote this uh hypothetical thought experiment called god's debris uh many many years ago when he's trying to be like i'm not

just the dillbert guy he wrote this book and it was basically uh the argument that god knows everything except what a universe without him would be like and he searches for this wisdom a lot of the things that alex is describing in this three uh when he was three years old this dream he had from the perspective of god is kind of similar it's not when i was three years old i had a dream for three straight years that dillbert would be a hit and then it came true it's not one to one parallels with scott adam's book but it's close enough that and i know that he and scott adam's are friends right because he's scott adam's has been on the show a bunch and so it's close enough that i think that maybe he's being influenced by uh dillbert god is constantly running every program every

operation turning evil loose good loose everything show foot will have these dreams but earliest memories like two three years old where i would fly out the edge of infinity and that's not a thing you can say it was a it was a continual message find out where we came from find out what it is and it would just be this big giant spinning black vortex like a black hole and then i would have to go into that trying to figure out what was going on and never it was the same thing and so it's a real frustration so then growing up and dealing with things and questioning politics and questioning all these other areas then having dreams that come true exactly and like knowing what's going to happen before it happens and then questioning it and

that it never being wrong um oh that's weird it's not brightly crazy stuff man like like just so much stuff where it becomes like you can't even deal with you like dial it out and then you just reach that point where you don't even know what's real anymore because it's so crazy but then you see like the mathematics of the whole system and you know how it works as long as you're some schizophrenic you talk about it you deal with it and it is kind of like you're something now when you find the system you automatically know what to do like when you talk about something the president word for word repeats me trump that's what freaks them out word for word a whole speeches like whole things and i'm not on power trip that's what they flipped out about at the cia and everywhere else and they're

like well jones is like connected to trump and i think trumps like an idiot savant what does that have to do with this speech nice trump speech i'm i i'm trying to follow i don't even know i don't even know the thing it's hard to follow you sometimes because you're making no sense especially when you're drunk as shit and high well he's not high yet he hasn't smoked any weed yet he was talking about he wants some cigar yeah yeah yeah yeah but he's drank a lot of titos um and yeah i mean that that's just how his tangential brain works because he's he's chaining things and making connections where connections don't exist he's talking about one thing and realizing he's in over his head and not making sense so he connects it to something else like i say things and then the president

repeats them and the cia is freaked out by it it's kind of how a kid talks yeah it's really childish effect uh that he's expressing here and like as much of a goof and a gullible weirdo as eddie bravo is he's still on the level enough to be like i don't understand what you're talking about yeah what does that have to do with the the subject you were talking about you started by talking about dreams that you had from god's eyes or whatever when you were three and now we're talking about you and the president mirroring each other in the cia being freaked out i wouldn't aren't making sense i would really hope that if i were ever to be uh gifted with the uh opportunity to see the edge of infinity uh i would come back with uh a bit more of a higher mindset than become a talk show

host and claim that sandy hook is fake and aggressively never read but then say you've read everything yeah yeah i would really hope that my mind would be expanded to the point where you would think i would be above petty human bullshit yeah you might almost become some sort of a star baby 2001 a space i might become a positive influence of people like hey leave these petty differences behind it's not important or even then uh or what alex simultaneously like a certain nihilistic uh impulsive like it doesn't mean anything but i've been to the literal edge of infinity but i think alex thinks that he's the prior version of that right the nihilistic version i think he thinks he's the positive yeah he thinks that he's the guy who's telling people

all this stuff doesn't matter when in reality all he does is aggressively over inflate petty things to reinforce status quotes whether it be racial uh gender-based uh anything like that that he's the definition of of making things regressive matter yeah as opposed like the presentation is i'm above the right left paradigm or whatever sure so he yeah it's nonsense anyway it should make this is also this next clip i didn't want to play this but you kind of have to if you're going over this episode this is the other thing that everyone's going to put into gifts and i understand why but i ate my grandma's foot i'll be honest with you i'm kind of retarded in that that's not funny no no no that's gonna be a sound bite they're gonna put that to mariachi

music uh no uh alex is like exhaling aggressively because he realizes like i was gonna make a point with that but i just everything is done yeah i find that disgusting even in terms of alex whatever he's trying to say about himself or whatever like just fuck off you think that stuff he thinks he's being like self-effacing and humble and what he's really being is dismissive and disgusting offensive yeah what an asshole so now here is where we get to the tobacco like and i can say for sure if you watch it he hadn't smoked any tobacco before this no seriously when it comes to regular regular tobacco with no marijuana at all would you like some yes okay no but i don't need for out my guts never wrong uh that's it'll

fuck up the show it'll fuck up the show i want to get into all your your points because there's no what points that's all i got my guts never wrong you said earlier that you got no points yeah his gut is always wrong he said in the beginning of the show he was misled he was all of this shit yep and then later on in the show he says his guts never wrong well and he says he's a psychic which allowed him to know that someone is going to drop pickles or something like that but he's not psychic in a way that he could realize oh this cia mit scientist psi op guy named steve pechenek is going to mislead you and completely destroy right whatever you were doing he doesn't have any of the important instincts whatever he has like he thinks like my guts never

wrong the evidence on the table is this guy is always wrong yeah but whatever he feels is like he doesn't take into account these other things where his instincts have led him deeply deeply astray repeated right and that seems to me like you're just not you're not saying anything he's it's like he's describing the worst x-men power you could have like i look i'm a mutant i have these psychic powers but they're all cucumber based that is my gift and then professor x is like cool cool in the kitchen of the school that's great we've always been afraid of what's going to happen when you pickle things too much so come on down i mean i still think there's a use for that as a mutant ability but it would just be more like admin you know like the kitchen well

in the kitchen you know like in house you're not useful fighting magneto right but your use unless magneto is on a pickle jack true or you can make magnetic pickles yeah oh that'd be fun now we've created a new uh a marvel hit us up i just saw that trailer for dark phoenix could have used a magnetic pickle guy could have used a magnetic pickle guy what's what is gene greg going to do against a magnetic pickle guy fucking nothing she's going to be confused fucking nothing um so at this point alex gets high um and he gets high pretty quick uh and uh joe asks him about something a conversation that they had off air and this is bullshit whatever he was telling joe uh before they started is bullshit and the way he's presenting it on air

is also bullshit like i don't want to be like my life is not sandy hook i'm sad that yeah tell me what you were telling me earlier that you were actually you even before all this happened you were planning your exit strategy like you get weary of this yeah and it's not like i'm afraid of the fight but i'm 45 and i've had a long adventurous life so i'm probably like 60 that doesn't make sense sure but i i do believe that um he had to have been thinking about cashing out at some point for sure but i also don't believe that it was before the election fuck no from what we witnessed from uh looking at 2015 yeah there wasn't there wasn't a part of him that was like he was eager for the fray he was all in what happened is after the election he realized

uh oh i've committed to something too hard and also i have nobody who can take over the operation and i can get a piece of yeah continuing if i retire right so he's put himself into a completely negative situation but it does suit his mythology and it's beneficial to him to make it look like he wanted to quit before all this started of course before all this victimization by the globalists really kicked into overdrive and that's what he's presenting here and i was already like i wasn't sure about trump or whatever has really bad feeling when he got elected nothing was bad just like oh the war is about to start you were laughing at me and then i was already planning to kind of face things out just because i don't like down on 55 heart attack and the fact they

attacked me so much makes me have to battle and fight and never give up and and and and so it's not like they even wore me down before they ever they kept me in the game i'll explain it they kept me in the game attacking me and lying about me because now i'm well i'm now becoming what i was worried about now i dream about this stuff so that's bullshit he always dreamed about this stuff we just liked that a white dude was your fuck off you got reinvigorated by uh the great white supremacist uh leaning guy yeah was uh had a chance to win yeah and uh he's like oh i'm all about this but now the consequences the chickens have come home to roost and you don't like it so much because people are like hey dick we put up with this for a long time and now it's unsustainable

now you're a problem yeah uh sorry we should have done this a long time ago should have dealt with you but you were just a goofy fucker who was lying about everything in a fine way and now and now you are a systematic piece of uh upholding a system that is killing people so i mean there was just a report recently about people like children being sexually abused in the detention centers yep that have been set up at the border and stuff like that so he's a part of defending that he's a part of defending Bolsonaro in uh brazil he's a part of defending now the regime change in venezuela he's a part of rationalizing trump doing this dumbass publicity stunt bullshit in north korea that only helps kim jong-un like he's a part of defending these things that are really

dangerous and i understand that like the foreign policy the united states wasn't great before or anything like that it's worse now yeah yeah yeah i'm not gonna i'm not gonna go to bat for american foreign policy in any era nor am i not even since not even not even the amer i'm not even gonna go to bat for the american fucking revolution as american foreign policy i'm gonna take it conditionally yeah i would say that the difference one of the biggest differences is a steady hand or at least the appearance of a steady hand i think that that does have a market difference in how you're presenting things yeah and the absence of that is is deeply chaotic and it allows it allows a lot of bad actors to take advantage of that and i think that alex is a huge part of

mainstreaming even before the election and the lead up to the election mainstreaming and normalizing a lot of those ideas that now have grown beyond him like they're now on tucker every night or handy is exactly all on board with that stuff absolutely in a way that they weren't necessarily before well in the way that they had to hide right exactly they believed all this shit but they had to we it's not part of public discourse yeah and alex alex helped make that a part of public discourse hell yeah he did um and so i don't know i mean if you don't if you want to duck the consequences fine not fine no i mean i understand it oh yeah yeah i get it i get it yeah you can't um in the same way you can't duck the consequences of what you said about

sandy hook i don't care if you're saying it now you did you did then you had millions of listeners you knew what kind of influence you were having on people so it doesn't matter whatever you want to do now doesn't matter the damage is done so when he's when he's talking about all this bullshit about like i wanted to quit i don't want to have a heart attack or not 55 all this stuff that's just his mythology that's rationalizing where he is now he's pretending all of these attacks that are coming against him just come out of nowhere because he's using the straw man version of these attacks yeah in order to be like uh hey all these people they they attacked me in the way that i perceive these attacks to be coming and that made me stay in the game and the media

flagged me in order to uh uh uh yeah so um he doesn't talk that much about trump but he does see this in the next clip which is not as strong as trump schiff's ices up his dirty asshole but it's not far off in some ways i think there's a giant i wanted to say this i'm gonna say this is so powerful i don't dislike donald trump and i think he's done some good things on trying to do peace and trying to get jobs back to america but i hate donald trump because i got behind him because i knew hillary was bad and then he became my identity he's not a bad guy but the truth is i hate him more than hillary clinton because he's who i am now and whatever he does is who i am i'm not with donald trump i'm with america and freedom and everything else and i'm not throwing

him out of the bus to get towards sorrelson my back though they're already after me for the for the reasons i'm not with them i'm not against even trump but i get in a fight like this that's so dumb down what are you talking about that then no matter what i do they take my radicalness my weirdness to hurt trump but then all it does is like radioactively attack me i don't know how to describe it but it's like it's like trump is breaking my legs every day and it's not like i'm not willing to go through the pain except a lot of what he says i don't agree with and he's not my identity shanny hooks not my identity this is just talking from your own personal perspective and i appreciate that that he's not your i don't know how many people actually think you that he's your identity

i do i do you know why because alex did that alex is complaining about the end result of his actions he's complaining about people perceiving him as like donald trump is my identity when for years all he did was get on his show and do everything possible to muddy the water and defend indefensible things that trump was doing and it's like hey you know it's great nationalism hurrah it's not communism whoop dee woo like all that shit the idea that he's like he made his fucking bed and he refuses to lie in it that is what's going on sandy hook isn't my identity donald trump isn't my identity then why did you behave the way you did that is the problem your behavior is what led to this if you hadn't said that everyone at sandy hook were actors and you hadn't caused that

pain you hadn't done that no one would say you did that is absurd no one would do that i wouldn't do that i treat alex jones the most fairly that anybody ever does yeah it's it's disconcerting it's for someone who hates him as much as i do and studies him and it takes this much time about him i am overly fair with him and i would never characterize him as acting the way like saying that he xandy hook is a part of his identity if he hadn't have made it a part of his identity i would never say that trump is his identity he just said if he hadn't branded himself that way intentional i was gonna say he's okay okay so for three years non-stop i talked about how great trump was and how close i was to his talk to him all the time i talked how great he was and

everything that he did is what i want to do how we had a f***ing mind meld and now people think that i'm just the trump guy like well this is like carrot top being like i'm f***ing pissed off that people think i like props yeah like all right what dude that's your career yeah now great f*** you carrot top might have told some one liners before he discovered the prop actor that to the main uh level like yeah headlining level and yeah alex you did have a career that was based on other things before trump but it certainly turbocharged your career and you ran with it intentionally that was your gimmick you accepted that gimmick and you now have to accept that you did that to deny that is pathetic either that or you have to admit that you did it for money

right and you didn't believe a f***ing word well now that would be an interesting thing to do because it would give a little bit more credence to these like i don't want this to be me i just accepted this because of crass consideration yeah exactly but that would also undermine all of his other positions right of course but it would be it would be it's the only way that works exactly yeah yeah it's the only way what he's presenting works it's like get the f*** out of here with your like i don't want i don't want people to think that that's my identity yeah that is your that's your identity because of you go f*** yourself exactly so uh he's high okay and well you can tell now the fact that you can tell yeah for sure but the fact that he did get high so quick

does kind of uh give me some uh like yeah maybe you don't get high but once he doesn't get high yeah so it's like if you're getting that f***ed up that quick you probably don't know i definitely believe him that he doesn't smoke weed yeah and he does talk about how like we'd make some anxious and and paranoid and stuff like that right as someone who has the same response to weed i totally understand like i've probably ingested marijuana like through edibles and stuff like yeah three times in the last three years yeah or something like that i'm not against it i i loved it when i was much younger but right it has an effect on me now that i don't enjoy yeah so i understand that the idea that alex is like i don't smoke and to be fair if i were in a situation comparable to alex

being in a studio with eddie bravo and rogan yeah i probably would also smoke oh i understand of course if the stakes were as high as what alex is dealing with right now i probably wouldn't smoke but i get it doesn't seem like a good idea to f*** up your headspace while at the same time being sued by sandy hook uh victims i think he's i think he thinks he's navigated that territory successfully and now we're into the fun part of the ride right now that's fair so i get that i'm not coming down on him i think it's a dumb idea now smoke him if you got him i'm cool i wouldn't do it just because i would rather this be fun this experience right right friends and what have you as opposed to me getting real weird yeah and like huh yeah yeah yeah it's like how some people react on uh like

getting dug with high or whatever it is where it's like there's that episode with jack black jack black i got too high yeah and you're like well then then this is a terrible thing that you did yeah it's yeah foolish um anyway uh in this next clip like i said he's high um and he should be responding to that with like maintain be cool right right instead he responds this way when what is inside your bag here more tobacco come i do have more tobacco but i'm just uh can have a little bit more tobacco yes for sure hundred percent so can i have a little bit more of an addictive personality he's uh in the middle of the show like give me more weed i want to get f***ing higher because i think i'm killing this i think i am knocking this out of the park and i want more

weed could i could i be a better example of my own lack of self-control and uh your uh complete enabling personality yeah no kidding now again i think it would be interesting if joe rogan was doing this as a setup uh i think that would be f***ing fascinating and as alex would describe it macchiavellian yes yeah but because like yeah get it really f***ed up he's gonna say crazy shit right but to be fair the craziest shit that he said was when he was early parts of drunk just just a couple glasses of tea does in he's talking about native americans being easy to mind control that's a f***ed up thing to say he's talking about like his grandfather being uber mentioned and stuff like that before any of the weed comes in so yeah all that is like

you're in you're on ground that you're comfortable being on you drink a bit it's super weird our show in that what that what he said earlier we've just kind of moved on from what we have to and then and then you're like you brought it up again and i'm like wait he really did say that native americans were susceptible to mind control genetically genetically yeah that's that's that's that's the end of the show you know like okay get out of here go go get go instead jojo said huh yeah which is why this isn't good as an exercise you know it's just not a good thing to do this sort of show right and i'm f***ing positive if we paid as much attention to other episodes of rogan to show as we do the ones that alex is on right there'd be a more than enough f***ed up

stuff i guarantee that probably is pretty uh universal man so alex puffs a little more tobacco it's not a really popular show right super that's unfortunate well he just likes ideas so um alex puffs a little more tobacco a little bit of this shout out to joe mcadam doing a little bit of this there you go sucking tiny dicks all right a little bit of this one of the great bits new faces uh joe mcadam one of the best um so alex gets into a weird headspace and he starts talking about racism and most of it is super unimportant he's just saying that he isn't a racist and it's stupid that anyone says that he is a racist um and that this is a big piece of his defense let's wrap this up no we need to wrap it up but i gotta make this point i don't know what it is

how is that getting into that oh the racism thing oh you're a racist it's not about i don't know i'm saying something so simple everybody's like yeah you told me grass is green say you're really getting like it doesn't matter what color someone is say you're it matters what they stand for what they do i go to restaurants that can be owned by koreans or black people or white people whatever if the food's good like music i don't have jimmy hendry she's a black but if the food sucks then i hate it but it's not because they're white or because they're Hispanic of course i joe i don't even sit next to a mexican for three hours a hundred percent believe you totally love mexicans i do too mexican food do you notice that long pause there that was because alex was like

what are you talking about he doesn't realize that eddie bravo's is back yeah yeah he has no idea rogan is saying like i know you're not racist you've been sitting next to a mexican for three hours no his name is bravo he's italian right wait you sit wait i don't think that that pause is alex being like i can't believe i sat next to a mexican for no no i'm not saying i know i know you're not saying that and i just want to be clear it's just him being like i don't understand what you're saying right i don't get because he can't process anything he's fucking so drunk and high that like i i'm not playing a ton of clips from the end of this episode because it is so disastrous it's just them wanting to end the episode and the natural rhythms are over and then

alex being like no let's talk about i got one more thing to say let's talk about this eddie what do you think about this and like trying to use eddie as a prop in order to start a conversation yeah like it's trash it's awful but there is something that ends up being discussed that i think is very important um and it's this i've been pulled rough you somebody pile drive to you and what happened uh how old were you uh there's about 13 13 so many piled drive you on your head did it change your personality i got up and pushed him in the throat and they had a draconomy i was dead wow what so was it a friend it was like the state wrestling champion middle weight and his cousin or something and the dallas was like this like

you know got me down i was never starting five these people here's the thing i'm not a victim of racial attacks i'm not like jeffrey or jesse small it you literally said that right next and i got my leg broken you know by so this guy piled drive you on your head you're 13 yeah what did it do to your personality then i had to fight this whole family well fight most his family it was a jane ganger did a change but did you have any significant change from that head injury sometimes when people have head injuries especially it seems like you know stuff just got better really oh that's pretty good timing he's so serious like dude we got to get to the root of this timing that's good timing no what i mean is like i mean i that's happened to a lot of

folks there's no doubt so alex says at the end there i am brain damaged there's no doubt so i guess we can take that as a curiosity we've had and put the check mark in it and we definitely get rid of the probably there yeah but the oh no because that guy didn't die but that might be the person that alex is talking about who had medical complications later that died it's possible yeah but we can't put a definitive say that he had a tracheotomy and then died no almost died oh almost died all right he didn't say he died but the other thing there is that this needs to be fucking crystal clear joe is being like that's good timing when alex is saying like his response to the like how did your personality change he's like he was all good from there yeah i don't think

that was a joke i think it was alex responding like in a dismissive kind of way to be like what he's asking me is a threatening question in some ways because if i recognize the fact that i got pile driven on concrete when i was 13 how did your personality change because that is a very common thing that happens right with severe brain trauma or head trauma alex is i think it's a dismissive answer that joe is taking as a joke and it's not a joke now i want to tell you jordan the pile driver is actually a move that's banned by the wwe here we go because it's if it's not performed right the odds of it killing or paralyzing someone are really high for instance at somerslam 1997 owen hart delivered a botched pile driver to stone cold steve austin and broke

his neck in the middle of the match thankfully he was able to get surgery and recover from that but it pretty much guaranteed that stone cold's career would be cut way short most doctors who generally aren't thrilled to be asked to comment on this sort of thing agree that the pile driver if it's delivered in a real world scenario would almost definitely break a person's neck and would very likely immediately kill them the direct downward force would cause your spinal column to completely compress so the odds of you not at very least ending up paralyzed are very very low what alex is describing is a situation that it doesn't match with like the idea that you stood up and then punched the guy i don't know if this is true it seems like it's not true or at least

the narrative of it seems not true and like it might be combining two stories well and in his world it is almost certainly exaggerated even if it even if the sequence of events that he's describing happened it wasn't that he got full on pile drive right more like he got thrown or whatever it is and he's then describing it as a pile driver in order to kind of that's a possibility in order to give everybody the mental image of what he survived and and bounced back from in a superhuman way right he's he you know he got pushed to the ground but whatever it is it's a dangerous oh absolutely dangerous thing to be like bandying about because the like it's it's like i think that anybody who talks about real fights in the real world i think you have a responsibility

especially when a pile driver comes up say don't do that to people yeah have a real good chance of killing them yeah uh don't do that no his his argument would be don't do that to people because they might stand up and then punch you in the fucking throat well that's alex's angle exactly yeah jesus so what an idiot even if you accept his proposition or his proposition that like he got pile driven and then punched this guy in the throat caused tracheotomy blah blah blah whatever even if you accept that let's let's imagine let's stipulate that that's sure sure what he experienced at 13 is an intense trauma like that is because this guy is the state wrestling champion or whatever like he's a wrestler he's a muscley guy there's a lot of weight to him so when you pile drive someone

part of the compression part of it is their weight coming along with your weight falling down and knocking your head into the ground so the idea that is it's it's someone who would be able to deliver that with a ton of impact right but the idea that a wrestling that an actual state wrestling champion not a professional wrestler would deliver a pile driver that's another good point seems silly it kind of like he would use wrestling moves you know you'd get you in a full nelson or yeah exactly he would choke you out or do any number of things he wouldn't be like i saw this i saw the undertaker do this like fuck off right it is weird but anyway even if you believe it's true then what you have to come away from that is alex that is crazy that is that is a trauma

that uh the people don't go through yeah i mean but this this every bit of information we have about alex's childhood from this and basically every story he's ever told about his childhood is that same uh that same sympathizing thing that you hear from so many serial killers childhoods where it's like i i experienced nothing but non-stop trauma until i was but and then i started killing people and so we stopped sympathizing with you but for him it's like there's literally nothing that you can describe his childhood as other than a near non-stop combination of statutory rape uh fucking god damn mind control games by his dad and then now physical fucking violence this dude is fucked up and emotionally threatening situations that he's in whether it be

believing that someone's parent was trying to induct him into a satanic cult right or or any of these things like completely on like no boundaries situations that he finds himself in yeah yeah no if you and i want to make this super clear because this is important i don't think i necessarily believe any of the details of course he's saying no but if you take him at what he's saying if you believe him then this is a really really the portrait that he's painting of his younger years is exactly the recipe for someone who needs help yeah it's not somebody who's funny it's not somebody who has you can laugh at how crazy he is or none of that stuff and and if you don't believe him that's even kind of weirder because then it's someone who's lying

to try and create the image that their childhood was the sort of thing that would require decades of therapy in order to get you to be able to integrate this information into a healthy life yeah so it's it's kind of like i don't know what you're getting out of bragging and embellishing these stories that are deeply fucked up right i don't know i just want to i just want to make clear that i don't believe this stuff just because he's saying it yeah i'm not getting tricked by like some sort of uh you know a goof right right right right but if you do believe it this is very serious that's what i'm saying i see the way that i'm treating this is i don't believe the details of what he's saying but i do believe in the overall trauma of what he's

experiencing the feeling that he's expressing yeah behind the maybe warped details yeah he didn't go to some uh senior in high school's house in a Mercedes and get inducted into a satanic cult by killing nonc i don't think that that's true but i do think that something uh happened wherein he got really traumatized at a very young age yeah in a way that is a far lower stakes version i mean it's it's entirely possible that he was a young person at uh like some sort of a church that was a little bit weird yeah or whatever and they wanted him to go join the youth group or something like that and he's repurposed that story right whatever emotions he felt threatened in that uh in that moment when they're like you should be a part of our group i think you have

a lot to offer to yeah whatever yeah he that that's entirely possible i don't know i think i think we drift into like the possibility of like irresponsibly psychoanalyzing him i think what you're saying is appropriate but then if we get more specific it's bad right whatever he's describing is probably a general feeling that he had that does describe trauma the details exactly who fucking knows whatever happened this guy was traumatized whatever his details are are secondary to the fact that he is describing a very real trauma that he experienced regardless of you know like this is the type of shit that you would be hearing in group you know or you'd be hearing in a biography of a of a guy who's on death row yeah yeah you know it is it's it's it's deeply troubling stuff i don't know why

alex would want that to be his backstory if it's not true yeah but i don't know maybe his life is just super boring i mean i guess he could be from a from a very crass standpoint i guess that he could be trying to elicit sympathy you know like look at look at how fucked up my childhood was but then i don't understand why you would pass it off as bragging sympathy in an aggressive way yeah yeah yeah i don't know it all kind of goes out the window after i heard this next clip though because it's just masculine posturing a lot of it like at its core like a lot of those stories even the ones about like the odd twelve was fucking the seventeen-year-old there is still a macho posturing behind it yeah again it's the it's the high school kid who fucks his teacher and everybody

gives him a high five and you're like no that's that's deeply fucked up right and so this next clip was gross any given time if somebody's a regular guy and they and i would never start to fight they kick my ass like the average hundred and fifty pound guy you're probably gonna kick my ass but when like a bunch of people are coming after me it's like Darth Vader and Darth Vader notorious for being good in a street fight and when i was a kid in Darth Vader's first time i bashed somebody's head into the concrete with attack me i got hired now that's gross that is two problems with that the first thing so many problems with that well many but the two problems i'm identifying is he said the first time i bashed someone's head into the concrete which

implies there was a second oh yeah not just that one time i did and then the second thing is i got higher than hell i got i got the equivalent of a drug experience off causing pain to somebody by bashing someone's head into a concrete i felt so alive i felt i felt like i got to an elevated state by causing this pain yeah that is david david wong wrote a book called futuristic violence and fancy suits uh which i i i think is i i really love that book and the main villain in that book is just the essential avatar of toxic masculinity and his huge deal is just by this violent uh bullshit masculinity ideology that i have i feel the juice i feel the adrenaline right right and that's greater than any feeling in the world and i'm i'm destroying the week in order for the

the true super society to be built entirely around the adrenaline high and it's like just yeah it's just fucking disgusting it is just an absolute book that remedy to some extent right i mean i'm sure no it's he no but he's the villain yeah okay the point is the point is they're going through all like he's he's being described in his actions are such that it cannot be more obvious that this is toxic masculinity right at its worst yeah and alex is embodying that to to deep extent to a deep extent i don't know what to do with those sorts of things like it really is tough because like i mean i don't know there's a world that exists and it might be the world we're living in where alex is making all this up yeah and he might he may never have bashed somebody's

head into the concrete he talks about it a lot we've heard him talk about it a bunch right so like it's possible he's making that up if he isn't he's describing taking great pleasure from doing it yeah which i fucking hate if he's making it up he's making it up in service of saying that he got great pleasure from it which i also hate yeah because that's also a part of his brain then he's imagining what it would be like to bang someone's head on the concrete and thinking i probably would get really high doing that yeah i probably would get a fucking charge out of that there's no way around that it doesn't describe someone who is deeply disturbed yeah what is fucked up even if it's in self-defense like i understand punching somebody if they're coming

at you or whatever i'm not going to i'm not gonna i hate violence in all its forms but i'm not going to sit here and say like self-defense is bad or anything like that well if you're a christian uh there's that whole turn the other cheek part right look i'm i'm not i don't want to litigate that it's not i know i know i'm just i'm just pointing out that i don't think there's any circumstance where you're banging someone's head into the concrete that is justifiable violence i don't believe that and then imagining or having the response that you get high and enjoy it is just you're a monster absolutely disgusting real or not you are a real or not monster yeah and that means you're a monster yeah yeah you're gross i it's it we're enough years into this where

it does kind of seem as though um or at least i feel like i have a certain handle on when alex is making something up whole cloth right and when he is exaggerating something when there's a girl behind it yeah exactly there is something too many of these stories trauma did happen yes i don't know the details it's not it's not the same as when he's making something up and he's like my grandpa was german i don't want to get into it yeah exactly i don't want to get into it yeah if he if it was making something if it was completely made up there would be either the uh i don't want to get into it and i'll leave it as like a tease or the hyper detailed like i i gave this i i smashed this guy's head into the concrete i remember because he was wearing

a no fear t-shirt and blue jean shorts and you know there would be those hyper specific details that kind of tell you oh you're just fucking making this shit up he's done that on some occasions with some of his violent stories on his own show but he's not doing it here on this episode exactly um but this next clip i think is really uh important and that is that like he's telling these really fucked up stories and is refusing to take any kind of ownership of the idea that they're fucked up um he's just i don't know it's it's it's insane and it's also insane to hear this clip after he like two clips prior i believe he said uh i'm brain damaged there's no doubt about it yeah and when the kid dropped you on your head what effect did it have on you physically

it was by the field house because his cousin attacked me and i beat him up and so the state wrestling champ was like a senior comes he goes oh yeah he slammed around and he caught up when my head was bleeding like he'd won and i punched him in the neck and broke his it had to trick you got him he almost died it was like yeah he almost killed me he's like he couldn't like he he slammed me in the ground my head's bleeding all these stitches right here and then he couldn't believe when i got up and said well you died he couldn't understand like the energetic uh equivalence he couldn't understand being the nail you don't understand being the hammer he didn't understand that and then they took it to jail where they let me go i'm not some tough guy

the point is i'm getting killed i'm gonna fight back and and so dallas was like so what happened to your head after that i mean i lost it numb i never even got knocked out in that one uh he slammed my head in the ground and i remember like everybody made the joke because the concrete cracked oh it was like on the edge of the concrete he he piled up me right into the concrete and like split my head way up and this is her story and i remember just getting up it was like slow motion pushing around the neck and the ambulance as the police came that was that story did you did you go to the hospital no they took me to jail for that but then they let me go they didn't check your head

did you tell them you got piled on no they showed it up they showed it up in the jail but they didn't like check to see if you had a severe concussion or anything some dermal hematoma though that's fucked up i mean i don't know if any of that's true but that's fucked up what he's presenting is super fucked up i don't believe the concrete broke i don't believe his head was split open any of that stuff because the force that would be required for either of those things to happen would probably kill him from that maneuver now it's just it's just hero story embellishing yeah but he's he's presenting a story where he didn't have he didn't go to the hospital they didn't check him for a concussion he just went to jail they sewed him up and then let

him go if that is the reality this is a huge turning point in his life yeah even if like he he's broken even in the 80s which is around when this would be happening even then you would still at least go to the hospital if you were bleeding profusely and required stitches so the story being that he went straight to jail suggests otherwise it kind of does it kind of suggests that he's making up a little bit of this whole uh it was entirely self-defense thing i mean maybe who knows who knows it's impossible to parse the no of course i don't need it it's not important who gives a fuck so alex he's telling these stories and there's a lot of this hero story nonsense and uh earlier we heard him talk about this 17 year old he was fucking around with when he was uh much younger

who choked him out and that was the first time he got choked out but it turns out him and his friends used to choke each other out for fun quite a bit i did that though i've heard this from a lot of people this was not part of my childhood but i've heard it a number of times um this clip is so fucked up because he's talking about it and then he fakes crying talking about the memories of being choked out by his friends for fun didn't you say that when your friends would choke you out you'd have like these long dreams oh yeah no no i remember being in junior high sixth seventh eighth grade because we when i got choked out a couple of times and i finally stopped a couple there'd always be like guys like it's incredible we do the stirring lunch and we go back and like

someone to press on their arteries like bad times when you hit your head but it'd be like one time like i remember this one time i they choked me out almost it was like a black knight with a sword goes and like attacks me on this horse and then like it was and then i was like in england thousands of years ago and i had this wife and these kids and it was a whole lifetime like taking care of them and like growing food and like a kid starved to death died and it was like just those moments were like whole lives dead kids everything that's what i'm saying like you dial into all those ancestors and it was like my kids and kids starving to death and like people attacking us so you think all that information from your ancestors somehow or another encoded

somewhere and definitely encoded joe that's so fucked up i i mean here is what i will say uh i love to hear what you'll say i i so this wasn't a thing like when i was working at god camp uh i was around 15 or so and it was god camp so i was there for a full month or whatever and i was living in these like little cabin bullshits with other people around my age uh some of whom brought this whole thing up and the choking out the choking out thing yeah and i remembered i remember doing it and one time i do remember this feeling of like i woke up and i felt like i had lived an entire different lifetime uh like i remember there being a different thing or whatever it was right uh not gonna cry about it i've heard that from people before like whether it's like uh some specific

hallucination that you have or waking up from being choked out with like a euphoric state yeah i've heard that from people who are into like uh snm and like uh you know that that sort of play within sexuality there is something like a lot of people do like to get choked out there is a pleasurable experience in a controlled environment that you're gonna have and i'm not gonna judge that i am going to judge alex being ostensibly a political commentator at least that's how he presents himself coming on joe rogan's show now in hour five or so of the show pretending that that like there's some sort of uh esoteric spiritual truth to him and his buddies choking each other out and then him having a vision of his children starving to death and living as a farmer

yeah as i can fake crying like it's just it's insane like yeah i don't i i i understand joe not wanting to rock the boat but like his response being like you really think that people are you know like your ancestor that's your answer isn't it alex me like you bet it is like there's so many points when you should hit the eject button yeah of this like i'm sitting across the table with a lunatic right i thought that we had a friendship he said he was going to politically hang me up like a pig and slit my throat right and then which i don't know how you could politically do that to joe rogan politically politically politically but i we made we made peace with this long conversation on the phone that we had he pretended to apologize for sandy hook i didn't

realize he was lying to me through most of that we've had a very weird conversation that has gone a bunch of places now he's high and he's telling me about all this brain trauma that he fucking had from when he was younger yeah now he's talking about how everyone used to choke him out and he loved it and it connected him with his ancestors yeah i don't fucking like i would just be like i i wish there was an opportunity for him to like i actually have i wouldn't say backbone that's not right because joe is a he's a you know he has backbone yeah if he wanted to he could have pushed back against alex exactly how he should have right like it's not that he's a coward or anything like that i'm not saying that he doesn't have the wherewithal he doesn't have the presence

or the motive to do that and he should because what alex is describing if left unchecked appears to be normal or heroic or funny any of those three things those are the three possibilities that you walk away from this with what alex is describing is a deeply deeply fucked up situation and you don't have to call it bad but you don't have to allow it to be presented as normal heroic or uh it's just it's not acceptable yeah this is just not acceptable nope so we have two more clips and they are just alex super high drunk and uh trying to talk politics a little bit because he recognizes that they want to end the show and he's said he wanted to end the show two hours ago but he also wants to keep it going because this is the only way he gets people to

look at him yeah there's hundreds of thousands of people watching that he doesn't have access to otherwise he needs it and he wants to keep it going which is why we've gotten to the point we've gotten to already right um but so he says these uh these next this is like when you're doing a show and after the headliner goes up the host tries to do another 10 do another yeah do another like that was that's not no no you're holding people hostage yeah and alex is holding eddie and joe hostage to a certain extent because they're very polite yeah and almost to their detriment actually to their detriment yeah i mean they're not they don't come off looking terrible i know that joe could have done better and actually i'll i'll get to that at the end of the episode but

i have some very serious things i need to say about okay um but before we get to that alex says some fucking dumb things about politics or at least his political positions the first one is about the lgbt community trans people in particular all right he shouldn't be talking uh no and this position i think is uh disgusting and probably one of the worst stances you could have other than alex's other stance that is all trans people are pedophiles which that the worst position this slightly better but way on the worst side this is terrible because i don't care if you're a trans or your dude wants to be woman i don't literally i'm a libertarian don't act like i'm trying to suppress you but the japanese said hey uh you don't get the transnation unless you chop the johnson

and the way it goes off it's like hey you get taxpayers will pay for it you get that vagina build and you sit there and do it leave it like so there's two problems with that one is that he just to these seems to well i'm sure there are more but two that i want to highlight one is that he seems to think that trans women are the only people who exist because he only talks about these issues in terms of like choppy dick off yeah because that's the only way because if you have a pussy then i get it yeah if you have a pussy then we're in who doesn't want to be a man we're all cool then you know like because i understand it then so that's fucked up that that is exclusionary and it erasing the entire existence of trans men or people on the all over the gender spectrum that

aren't exactly what he believes is what's being talked about second i find this very repulsive the idea that trans people need to get surgery in order to prove it that they believe what you know like whatever like hey if you don't get surgery you don't mean it like that kind of thing is exactly what alex is uh describing as his his positions like if you're not willing to chop your dick off then you don't mean it and i don't i'm i'm i'm very staunchly opposed to the idea of people setting uh whatever standard uh quite frankly of of like proving your identity you know that idea of like you you are this great i'm libertarian i don't care i'm not judging you at the same time i don't see no oh you couldn't you could hold on right hold on there's where it

goes but there's a period at that time there's a period that could have been at that time semicolon if you if you have to add the semicolon then you're already wrong you're invalidating the first clause by including the second clause which is you need to get surgery for me to validate your identity it's fucking awful it's it's a it's a disgusting cancerous position you can't say i'm a libertarian don't think i'm oppressing you and then say the only way i will acknowledge you is if you do what i tell you is my i mean he presents it is like i believe the japanese model i'm not sure that is the japanese model but who cares other than other than trans people in japan who if that is the japanese model they're getting fucked over they're being oppressed sure whatever

the case is i don't care i don't like this i i don't like him he he's just expressing something that is i'm a libertarian i believe this also here's why i don't actually believe this and i don't care about freedom so cool man cool your bigotry your bigotry shines through exactly even as you try and express i'm not a bigot i don't care if you're white or black or whatever but white people in japanese people are smarter than everybody fuck off yeah fuck you so god it is it is such like it would i would prefer it i would genuinely prefer it if he just said i think trans people are gross they're weird i don't understand it they're weird i'm threatened by them because i love masculinity so much right i can't imagine somebody uh voluntarily relinquishing masculinity

as if that's even a fucking thing my worldview is dependent on this uh uh sort of buy a system this bifurcated system and there's a power balance that is intrinsic within it based on classical norms and anything that subverts that is fucking yeah to me you're ruining an authority system yeah to it and it's the only way my brain works and i fucking don't yeah it but men should dominate women well some men are actually identify as women and they don't necessarily always need to get surgery in order to identify as women they can present as women that's still a totally valid thing and it's something that everybody should respect and care about that muddies the goddamn waters who do i oppress all trans people true fuck you if you because if you just said it was gross and weird

and i don't like it then we can have a conversation but if you hide behind it as though well see there's for me there's a benchmark like it's it's the reason that he jumps from a to b to c to d to e in conversation so much to disallow you to have a conversation about point a yeah it's the same sort of thing he has to uh he has to just make non-existent points in order for you to like chase you're the bull chasing the red flag yeah that he's waving around god that's so fucking i'm so sick of it if he were to just come out and say what he means which is exactly what you're saying which is the i think this is gross it threatens my worldview i'm scared of this i don't know what to do with it then you could cool let's talk no but then why are you afraid he's the

matador about to get hit by the bolt and he knows it because his position sucks he's the matador who hasn't trained or whatever he's just he's a sitting duck he knows that that position is bad that's why he has to use the use the red cape of whatever whatever dumb narratives he has it's it's the thing that all of these people do when they're talking about the lgbt q community it is always this idea of like if i were to say my real issue which is that i'm grossed out and i don't understand it then the conversation becomes why why do you feel that way and that is something that they can't handle because then they'd have to wrestle with oh it's not it's not that they're having a problem they're not having a problem i am and i because of my problem and

making their lives worse well once they have to deal with the why do you feel this way it all falls apart i think 50 50 on that because i think on a on some emotional level um they recognize that what they would have to uh deal with with that why question is those entrenched power dynamics and and those sorts of things that's definitely they're unwilling to unpack right and so i think that the why do you feel that way because i have a privilege that is oh no i had to admit that i'm privileged unpacking that suitcase or whatever is something that they're unwilling or unable to do and it does make good sense to never open that bag if you can find some sort of a way to make sure that that is never the conversation yeah distract from you know yeah so the why they know why they

they they're distracting from having to talk about that with other things that are external because if they admit the why they would have to then confront the reality or they'd have to give an answer and they'd have to accept that it's actually their problem it's the same thing with alex obfuscating this whole fucking time about this alien shit that he's talking about and then finally pressed to it he's like do you know general stubble buying it's like that's the unpacking of the suitcase yeah it's like that's what you don't that's the conversation you don't want to have because now you have laid your cards on the table that's why you believe this alien shit yeah like oh no we know juggles stubble buying don't don't come on come on guy come on guy your argument's

bad i know i know in in high school there was a kid who was just very gradually all he did was he started signing his name on papers as and that was the way she came out and most people didn't even notice it most teachers didn't even notice it but it was such it's such a powerful thing for her to have just done that in a way that is not it's just it's just amazing i i would never if if i would never have had that courage that's incredible yeah because it welcomes so much yeah horrible things into your life yeah the possibilities of the bullying and whatever people will do she she took control of her identity in a way that is more powerful than anything i could hope to do like it's incredible yep and alexa diminishes all that with his stupid bullshit

arguments so he can go fuck himself and whatever now not whatever i didn't mean that to be dismissed but in this next clip alex now brings it into the conversation of race stuff which you've already heard he loves korean food which is great but this i think is one of the crassest things i've ever heard i don't judge things about money black people because that was really a big story at the time stop now when i stopped now came out because i'd seen the footage i was watching live and saw him take a head body out of the black lady i said it's a black lady and and what the hell this woman was like they were like oh my god he cares about black people yeah man i care about whatever the color they are i mean that must say i'm like what was that moment they're like all just bought

product i feel like i should give you context but also allow you to live in that gross space where he's like oh my god he likes black people and they all bought product that's how his brain works that's what he's expressing here and he started that clip by saying i don't go off of money and then the end result of it is they all bought product which isn't it awesome that i show some sort of compassion towards a black and all of a sudden black people buy products from me weird so what he's talking about is that woman who drove her car into a barricade at the white house and she was shot and had a kid in the car and it is a fucked up situation but it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't driven her car into the barricade i don't know all the details of that

situation but i do think it's super fucked up that alex is bringing that up as like a evidence that he cares about black people yeah based on all the other stuff we know about him and what he thinks about let's let's bring the one black woman that trump hired to a fucking cohen here yeah great you did it you solved fucking racism you racist pile of fucking garbage how it's a goddamn how goddamn dare you say that even look we all knew it we all knew it that the reason was purely money motivated but god damn it and i think that that's one of the reasons why i decide to end on this clip because that's not the end of the episode there's another good like five seven minutes or so where they're just like how do we end this you know or whatever

who needs to listen to that click whatever click enjoy a press stop record go listen to the other his five hour episode 20 here the actual end that's the end to me when alex is saying like it like it's crazy i just i made a like conspiracy about this black person who was the victim of something and then bada bing black people bought my shit let's refer you back to the clip that no living black person has ever experienced as much racism as alex has experienced from black people he also has said that he's the new martin luther king yeah at various points in his career so we come to the end of this and like i don't first of all we're four and a half hours into the episode of course so uh hey everyone who has complained about our short episodes go suck a lemon but

second i didn't that was vindictive it was a little bit but i do take those i take that i know i know you do it's okay because i feel like we always go too long and and then we get complaints it's too short i don't know anyway my my point is i didn't want to do this episode but now at the end of it i'm glad we did because we had a lot of fun with various things yeah but i do i don't think that this was good and i don't think more attention should be drawn to it and i do recognize the sort of uh the the hypocrisy of it to a certain extent that we're doing an episode about it while saying no one should pay attention to this well i mean the very it's a hard line for us to walk the very concept of our show is we cover alex jones which by necessity means we have to bring

attention to alex jones so when alex jones does a stunt in order to get attention we i have a certain responsibility to cover it while at the same time we recognize that we are in a way participating in the very thing that he desires i guess it's less an issue of like you shouldn't cover him period it's more you should cover him in appropriate context dealing with what he's saying as what he means as opposed to what he wants you to uh cover which i i hope we do i hope we i think we do i think i think i believe we do i have some questions about this episode if only because of that pro wrestling vagueness of like i don't fucking know what he's lying about here i don't know how much of this is blustery bullshit so there is a there is a part where

we're taking there's a little bit of faith on our our our end of like should we care that he's talking about basically being statutorily raped by abusive women repeatedly yeah should we care about that i mean i think we should he's saying it yeah but is it a lie is it a machismo uh related lie right i don't fucking know we deal with him by whatever uh he's presenting and you do the best you can now unlike alex with steve pechenek we do not trust uh blindly our source of alex jones true and then i think the bigger issue is the conversation about alex is kind of moot to some extent because we know him from his his works for years yeah this is just alex really fucked up on a show that he knows gets way more traction than he does and he's trying to

appeal to joe's audience for the most part like all this alien dumb bullshit yeah nazis uh talking to aliens and meetings yeah i know it from my dad who did uh teeth cyborgs and all that shit dds david all that stuff like you get where his angle is coming from i'm disappointed in rogan to a very serious degree i understand why he did what he did he presents it as coming from like a human perspective of like i love you you're my friend yeah i want to give you a fair reading and i recognize that you only lashed out at me because we weren't in communication and you felt like you were on the outside and i was like you know rejecting you or something like that i think that that's a dishonest portrait of what alex did to him i think that i think on one level

he is being way too accepting uh and embracing of alex's behavior uh which which falls under that heading of enabling yeah like alex lashed out at him in a way that if not planned like i don't think that they planned it together because that would be too much they definitely didn't plan it together no alex planned it it was artificial yeah for sure but joe's response to it if not planned is the worst thing you could do in these circumstances it is allowing alex to behave the way he did in the lead up to this with the stunt aspect of it like i'm gonna i'm gonna hang you up like a stuck pig slit your throat politically all this shit yeah like all that nonsense like he allows him to behave that way no consequences and then alex gets exactly what he

wants which is he steamrolls five hours with joe's audience and joe's audience will think this is one of the most epic episodes ever yeah because alex is talking about the nazis having access to uh space stuff and like they have contracts with aliens alex can't back any of that alex's grandfather is a nazi he was in with word of on brawn he can't back any of this stuff up it's not things he talks about normally at least not in more like more vague vague language possibly but like this is him posturing joe is allowed him essentially to come in and wreck shop he is just allowed him to come in and be like i'm not the guy you think i am i'm fucking weird aren't you interested in yeah how weird i am yeah he's poached his audience not all of them like but he's poached

enough of them that it'll probably give him the blood and fusion that he needs with the uh like his inability to get new people in he's taken the dumb people who listen to rogan who don't know about alex and fed them into his marketing machine he's given him the transfusion that he needs to keep things going for a little bit and that i think is a pathetic act i think rogan whether his intentions are pure or not he got played he got played by a pro exactly there's only there's really this is boiling down to two realities one rogan knows that alex was playing him rogan gave him i think he might not have wanted to accept it but yes i think he probably knew either either he knows that and he allowed it because he knew also that it was a thing

that people would come to his show so either it was crass on his part as well or rogan got fucking played like there's no other option to look at this either i i i i i steer towards the ladder i have to steer towards the ladder because if only because i want to give joe the benefit of the doubt that's not what i'm operating off of i'm operating off of how joe behaved on the show like i said there are clips that i didn't play where he's talking about how like this is the alex i know and love right like i wanted i wanted people to see this version of alex that's fun and we're laughing we're having a good time that sort of thing there is still the version you're describing is a manipulative piece of shit i think that he doesn't recognize that so many of the things

that he thinks are funny about alex are the tools that alex uses to manipulate i wish i realized him talking a mile a minute and doing like jumping from a to b to c to d to e yeah like all that stuff is a tool that alex uses to manipulate people into thinking he knows what he's talking about at the same time rogan hears that and he's like this guy knows a ton of shit and he's funny like he just says shit that's funny i don't i i think he's i i just think he he's a he's gullible fuck and that tracks with all the other guests i know i know i know i know that's that's what i'm that's why i'm leaning towards the letter as well yeah and it does seem like joe is coming from a good faith position and he doesn't realize that alex is not actually his friend no and he

should have listened to me when i was joe's dad and told him that people who lie to him to his face are not his friends if only if only um and also eddie bravo is dumb as shit but still probably the hero this episode the hero he probably saved i i agree 100 percent if it had gone longer with just joe and alex it probably would have been a mess oh yeah getting him in there as a rogue variable like really made this close to listenable anyway i hate this i hate this show i like our show but i hate i hate this uh this episode of his show i think it's trash i think uh joe is wrong regardless of his intentions could be great could be coming from a place of wanting to save a friendship whatever i don't care i think this is garbage um amateurish nonsense he's allowing

alex to say all sorts of things that are indefensible on his show and he has no idea why they're indefensible and that's the problem that's the problem that's probably the problem with his entire show is like hey i just like to talk to interesting people we have this fun time having these conversations that's cool you're infested with manipulators yeah you have people with an agenda who aren't having a conversation with you that's the problem they're having a conversation with your listeners and you're watching exactly you have a conversation with dunkin trussell uh aria sheffir joey ds uh tom segura these people you guys just spit ballin ideas about the news maybe you guys say some stuff that's pretty fucked up whatever you're that is what you want the show

to be then you introduce it to being like that same standard is held with people like alex people like jordan peterson myo unopolis sam harris these people coming on dave rubin candace owens these kinds of people who are propagandists these people who have an agenda they aren't there to have a good time and fuck around and then whatever conversation happens happens they're there to push something and they exploit your position of like i am just a guy who likes to have fun talking with people yeah and that is it like here's the joe if you're listening go ahead and text me if uh somebody i'm in the phone under dad if somebody should be your friend and i will tell you hard yes hard no very simple alex shouldn't be your friend the hard no the problem is that his principal or whatever he

thinks the show is is good and it's a good idea yeah he has people in who are subverting his format in order to push something that he doesn't want to be associated with but he becomes associated with yeah now the extent to which he's a willing participant in that or uh a victim of it i don't care i have no idea how much that is the case either way the proof of the pudding is in the eating and the response and the end effect is that negative messages get reinforced negative messages get perpetuated and go unchallenged and that is what we've seen on this episode and so i would like to end this by saying joe rogan get better and alex get help or joe come on man and alex that's kind of what i'm saying alex hope you die bro like that's

i hope you don't have a heart attack by 55 kind of do um i hope you have a heart attack by 45 so he's already 45 that well there's still time a month anyway this is a podcast we have had we have done it they saw we did it so long um we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight dot com that's right uh we also have a twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight we are on we are on facebook we have a group call go home and tell your mother you're brilliant please join it also we're on itunes we're on itunes we're on overcast we're on dog the bounty hunter next week is that still a show no okay well then we're not everyone hates gun shows then we are not on that show but uh please download leave a review etc tell your friends maybe i don't know this might

be a terrible and i would also like to say uh now that we're down to the plugs and everyone maybe turn it off already yeah um ha ha surprise people who listened to bonus no it's not a bonus it's a qualification like i get that there will be some criticism of like hey you didn't cover when alex said this or whatever i think i said this at the beginning of the show i don't give a fuck okay we could not cover all right all right we couldn't cover the entire five hour episode without doing 10 hours yeah i was gonna say we covered the stuff that mattered we covered overall the clips probably less than an hour would you say yeah and we did about four and a half hour i would say that we covered like bulk of the actual show actually i i have the here i have it

here um an hour worth of actual audio from the show so one fifth of the show yeah but then i would also welcome people to say like if you think we didn't cover something that you think is important ask yourself is it something we've covered on our show a bunch of times right that's a good question if it's if it's not ask yourself a second question does it matter if you're new to the show start from the beginning yeah and then good luck all right yeah start from the beginning and take two years to listen to it because if you mainline it there is some trouble yeah don't do that it could happen anyway um we love you i would say that eddie bravo is a chokeout specialist but i don't think he's killed anybody i think we would have known if any bravo had killed anybody i would

hope we would know i think it would be in the news i would hope the authorities would know i would say that alex has uh described almost killing a guy in this episode in a great detail and that's not what i'm interested in because he is also technically probably actually killed somebody alex jones you're a murderer andy and chansas you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first-time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you