Knowledge Fight - #271: The Serpent Loves Word Games

Episode Date: March 4, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a much needed break from talking about real things to see what's happening in the world of Sweary Kerry and the space weirdos. In this installment, the gents meet a guy who thinks that language is a conspiracy, and learn that Kerry has recently found out about decades-old Marvel characters' backstories.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Have you ever been naked in public before? Yeah, I've been streaking, I think. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. You're pretty sure? Well, streaking is

something that you probably do while drunk enough to not remember it. Listen. That's it? Yeah. Okay. This is the show. That's not what we talk about. We talk about how I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. That is correct. Jordan, today we have a vast departure from the last week or two of our show. We need a break. We have been doing a lot of that Sandy Hook digging in and then that perhaps way too long episode about Alex being on Rogan. And so we need a break. We need to reset. And I decided it's been way too long since we've been in the world of Project Camelot.

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going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show. We would appreciate it. Please do. I want to say real quick, after that Rogan episode, I was, I was editing the episode, which took forever. And I got, I was a mild buzz on. Yeah. And I got into a little bit of an argument with someone trying to fuck with me and troll me on Twitter. And I got really excited about it. Right. And I was like, you were in the right headspace to be like, Oh, she's gonna hurt her. Well, I got really excited just about the, the actual interaction. And then like, I started to see like, why haven't I focused on Twitter? Now you were definitely a little bit more than buzzed if that's a, if that's your thought process.

I'm very rarely engaged with social media and stuff like that. I just don't really care about it at all. We barely post whenever we have episodes out or anything like that. And I'm off all social media. Right. And so I was sitting there. I was like, this is with a future, like what people Twitter is the future in 2019. You finally figured it out. That's, that's the thought I was having. I am a complete Luddite. And it happens to me every now and again, I get really excited about the possibilities of social media. And I'm like, I'm going to be on this posting all the time. And so I started following some listeners who was suggesting that I follow. And I hope I didn't creep anybody out, but I'm never going to be posting stuff. It's back to me not caring about

Twitter at all. But there was a brief window there where I thought like, I'm following everybody who follows us. I'm going to build this account. It went so fast. It was there and gone out of my mind. Yeah. I remember when we did the Austin show, you were suddenly very into Graham on the Graham into Graham. Yeah. I was super. And then I haven't posted it. And then it was over. It was there. It was gone. That is a document of time in Austin. You have these brief flickers of like we get, oh, we can interact. We can turn this social media presence into a brand. Fuck you. As soon as I wake up, fuck you. What were you thinking? The reason I got off Twitter was because it was after a show one night and somebody came up to me and was like,

wow, you were really funny. Let me follow you on Twitter and on Facebook and on Instagram. And I was like, I'm, I'm, I don't really do that. And he was like, no, come on, man, you got to build a brand for yourself online. And I was like, that's the least, I think, I think I've ever wanted to do. And so I just deleted everything that night. Yeah. So anyway, uh, this, that's to say Carol quickly, that's just to say, don't expect, uh, that I'm jumping in and actually going to tweet probably not going to happen. Probably not. No. Um, so Jordan, today we've got this project, came a lot of episode in front of us. This is an episode where Carrie sits down with a gentleman by the name of Pierre Sabac. All right. All right. He is a bit of a guy. I don't know how to

phrase this vaguely up top, but he believes that he has decoded a universal language behind all language and that the aliens are fucking with us through our language. Oh, that's kind of his big premise. Okay. You know what? I think that's the plot of snow crash. I think it's the plot of a number of things. Yeah. Um, what's his name again? Pierre Sabac. Man, that's a great name. He claims to be a consultant for Ridley Scott. Um, but I can find, I could find no citation on that other than his own website. So he's saying that he's saying that alien was written with his input. I think it was Prometheus that he might have been involved with, but I'm, that's on my, that on my radar is I'll believe you. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit.

Sure. Um, so anyway, here's how we start the episode. Hi everyone. I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I'm very happy to be here today. I have a fascinating guest. His name is Pierre Sabac and we are going to be talking about what he calls holographic culture and the secret hidden alien code in language. Very exciting. There is a secret alien code. I like it. We will find out. What kind? Like, what would, how would it, how would it even work? I would say that it's mostly involving snakes and words that have to do with snakes. That's kind of how I would describe it at this point. I listen to the whole thing and I don't know. I think he just doesn't understand linguistics. That's my spoiler alert. That's my takeaway. That's a good starting point that I'm

going to be bringing up repeatedly. Big question. Can he speak? We in language though. I said we might be French, but that might just be because his name is his name is Pierre. So you assume he's French. Yeah, I don't know. He can't speak and actually he can speak a fucking lot. He doesn't let Carrie get many words in. He's being very rude through most of this episode. The word edgewise is going to be used. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, here Pierre jumps into the proceedings and he's going to list off some of his credentials and see if any of these things strike you as sounding like they're relevant to linguistics. I've studied theology at A level. I got a name at theology at A level. So real quick, just because we're in the United States and we grew up in England,

although I still think he's French based based on the Pierre thing, which might be a bias on my part. I'm going to leave it alone. A level education is done in high school. It's a part of college prep coursework somewhere equivalent to but not the same thing as like AP classes here. So say him saying he took a theology class in A level. It sounds like oh, you might that might have been something real big. Yeah, that's a high school class. Well, he did get an A in it though. Sure. I'm happy about that. I'm sure his mom liked that on the grade card. But just like I got an A in French when I was in high school. So I can tell you very certainly it's Pierre is French. If that's your only contact like really with formal education in theology, which isn't even

linguistics, I got some questions. And I did have the opportunity informally to go to Oxford to study theology. This was partly due to the fact that my teacher knew a professor and this professor was looking for people basically with the right credentials. So which are basically met the criteria but I decided to study fine art instead because this was actually my passion. So I worked for a number of years as a portrait artist. I got an agent and I kind of exhibited within London at St. Martin's. It didn't really turn out too well. It's very difficult to make a living as a portrait artist because it's a lot more easier for creative people to make a living now basically with the advent of the computer age. But then 20 years ago it was extremely difficult.

So then I did a teacher training course and I taught fine art and I did this for about eight years. But increasingly I became interested in a cult symbolism. So I decided that I wanted to leave my job and focus full time on writing. So he wanted to do that. This makes no sense man. So I found him to be a really interesting cat this dude because you know you try and figure out who are these people behind the presentation that they make. Who are they and he's just like trying to figure out like what the words in his bio even mean were flummoxing to me. You know he's presenting himself as like an expert in secretive linguistics which makes sense why he'd try and make everything as sort of elusive as possible. Of course. He'd use secretive linguistics. See that's on the way

he's framing things like even you responded to what does it mean to be informally said when you come to Oxford. Right. If I understand you apply if I understand his story correctly he was asked informally to come to Oxford because one of his former teachers a professor knew a professor and they were like we need somebody with the right credentials not to be in Oxford. No and those credentials I assume were being a friend of a former teacher that the professor knows theology levels. Yeah. What are you talking about. So Pierre refers to himself as a quote scholar on ancient languages but even by his own telling of his academic story he has a degree in fine art specifically painting and that's it. He claims he studied theology and had an informal

offer to study at Oxford which makes no sense and even if it did he's saying he turned it down. It really doesn't look like Pierre has actually studied any of this stuff in a formal setting which is a huge problem because ancient languages are infinitely complex and even scholars who dedicate their lives studying them often disagree with some of the finer points about etymology and syntax. If you read his bio he claims that he turned down this offer to go to Oxford instead choosing to finish his degree in painting and art history at the University of Wales. Interestingly the University of Wales isn't really a university as we understand it. It's a system of universities spread through Wales. For instance the biggest schools in the system are Aberswith, Bangor and

Cardiff and a graduate of one of those would likely say that they got a degree from Cardiff for example not the University of Wales. This may just be an example of him putting it really weirdly but I find it a little bit suspicious. I decided to let it slide since it's a degree in painting and art history so even if he's telling the truth it really doesn't matter. He probably does have a degree in painting. Yeah and I will give, I'll defend him saying University of Wales because he's talking to Kerry Cassidy, he's talking to a more American, oh it's in a bio. Oh okay so he did not graduate from anywhere. Possibly. I mean the way I look at it is like you could say the University of Missouri and when you do you're referencing the University of

Missouri Columbia. Right. Because that's the main campus of the university but there is a university system like there's a UM Rala, there's other like satellite campuses and if you graduated from the University of Missouri at Rala you'd probably say you got a degree from MU. Right. Maybe. Well you know I don't know. It's not like it's not like many people would say I graduated from the University of Miami, Ohio. Like they wouldn't you know they just say University of Miami or they'd say University of Miami, Ohio. Usually the latter. There's no, there's no. And the reason I stopped myself there and I think my example is bad is a lot of those other satellite campuses are specific to a certain thing you're studying. Okay. So like one of the satellite

campuses will have like a really good ag program or something like that. Right. And it makes sense that it's in a different place. So if you have a degree from there you would say I went to this school and I got that specific degree from that school. Right. So maybe that's even a bad example. I don't know. I don't care to spend a whole lot of time on this but I just thought it was weird because that's not a specific school. So also in his bio he says he was a member of the Institute for Learning which I suppose is to bolster his credentials because that sounds like a really brainy outfit. So I could see him wanting to put it in the resume. I really think that's probably like a preschool education. Dude you're so close. Really? Well not preschool but the IFL is an

organization that does not exist anymore and really only existed between 2002 and 2014 and its stated goal was training teachers to be better able to teach. It's not an instance of some place where he could have learned the languages or got credentials in linguistics. It's more an indication that he was probably on a track to become an art teacher which he described in that clip. Yeah. And in the early 2000s that was his plan and it didn't work out. To further reinforce this idea he claims to have been a member of the Institute which is a specific level of their organization and in order to be accepted as a member according to their stated criteria an applicant would need to have a diploma related to teaching and specific formal teaching qualifications. In order for Pierre

to have been a member his educational path after his art degree would likely have had to have been in teaching. This is further bolstered by the claim that he holds a quote postgraduate certification in further and higher education which can if you're not paying attention sound like I have a postgraduate degree in some form of higher education. Yeah. But no it's a degree in education. Right. So he is he was on a teaching path. Right. And then decided I don't want to do this I want to fucking talk about aliens and I can read words. Yeah. So whatever. As he presents himself now Pierre is a leader in the field of scathology which is described as quote the study of angelic vessels through religion and mythology. I'll go ahead and admit that he is a leader in

that field considering he made the word up. Yeah. I was the only person who claims to be an expert in it. Is that the thing that you walk under whenever they're scaffolding that scaffolding ology slightly different. All right. And probably a real. Also in 2010 Pierre Sabac was a guest on the overtly Nazi leaning and white nationalist show Red Ice Radio. Unfortunately their shows are behind a paywall so I didn't get a chance to listen to it but the description of the episode includes this quote we discuss Zionism, Aryans, the connection to Mars, ritual sacrifice or the origin of the idea of a Holocaust. That doesn't make me feel great. If you're going on a Nazi sympathetic show to discuss quote the idea of a Holocaust. I'm pretty comfortable assuming you

don't think it was a real thing. That's not good. Or at least you got some got some questions about it. They're real lucky those shows are behind a paywall because I might I might savage some of those shows. Oh man. I'm and there's no way I'm either going to I'm even going to create a fake account. Oh good God. Get in there. I don't know. Yeah. So this guy seems like he doesn't have any credentials to be saying the things that he does about linguistics that we're going to get to in a little bit. Yeah. But he starts to get into more of the specifics. He seems like he's someone who may or may not have been a fine painter has a degree in painting and art history wanted to be a teacher. His his portrait painting business wasn't lucrative because the internet wasn't around.

You know what is lucrative. Talking about weird shit. That's a great career path. It is. That is a really great career. I respect about that in terms of the same way that you respect the the the the small time grifter. Yeah. The small time grifter. Yeah. That's that's a if not honorable somewhat noble profession in American history. Yeah. That the idea because and it takes so much courage like I couldn't just quit my job to go talk about weird shit. Maybe maybe you should. I mean that's you're doing technically technically I am just still working my way my job and talking about weird shit. Fair enough. Yeah. So this is where I found myself actually becoming interested in this episode because before this I'm like this guy just kind

of seems like he's got a weird but fairly common path of these sort of con people. Yeah. He's got a telescope. It's sort of a late career change that a lot of people make is is like shit's not going well. I'm going to pivot into this weirdness. Yeah. Because they know that there's large communities of people who are very suggestible fairly gullible. And I mean I don't I don't think Pierre is bad with the word. No he's pretty he's pretty good at making bad points. I don't think he knows how to read Sumerian. Well. Oh boy. Of course he doesn't. But there's like six people on the planet who know how to read Sumerian. This is where I became interested because Pierre in this next clip reveals what got him off his path from being an art teacher into being this guy.

None dare call it a conspiracy. Now granted he doesn't say that this is what got him off track but if you pay a close attention to the sort of subtext you'll see that is exactly what he says. Angels don't dance on this pin. No but it is another book. Now there were a number of interesting authors that I found very fascinating which inspired me to research into the subject of aliens and how we would define what an alien actually is. So there was the academic Robert Temple and he wrote The Serious Mystery. And I found that this was a very persuasive argument in terms of the ancient alien hypotheses. And I think certainly in terms of ancient aliens his book really hasn't been bettered. I mean I think my book studies ancient aliens and this

is another book but until my book there was no other book on the subject. Damn taking shots at Robert Temple. Wow. Until my book came along it was nothing better than this guy. A little petty. A little narcissistic. I like it. I like it. So have you ever heard of this The Serious Mystery? No. S-I-R-I-U-S mystery? No. Is that about how Serious XM came to be? It is not. Okay. I wish it was. That would actually be that wouldn't be a bad book. So The Serious Mystery is a book published by Robert Temple in 1976. The book argues that a tribe called the Dogon in the African nation of Mali had had communications with extraterrestrials from the Serious Star System and continue to up till present day. I like it. These aliens from Serious taught the Dogon

about culture and art which they then transmitted across the globe creating the pathologies of Egypt, Greece and all other cultures. That's fun. That's the seed from which all these cultures spread. Again black people cannot do stuff. Without aliens. It has to be aliens and it has to be something. There is that subtle racism that deserves to be pointed out. They could have just they could just be good at stuff. You can let it. So it appears that the evidence that the Dogon were talking to star people was that anthropologists who visited them were surprised to learn that the Dogon people were aware of the existence of the Serious's companion stars which they shouldn't have known about since Serious B and C are white dwarfs and are essentially invisible. So they wouldn't

be able to tell that those stars existed but they knew about them which people in other cultures did know about but they shouldn't have known about. There was no real way to make sense of the the fact that they did. Is that because they were relatively uncontacted? Like they were isolated? Up till a certain point. Yes they were. So this was not information that Robert Temple came to by visiting the Dogon or knowing anything about them. He learned about this star wisdom that they had from reading a book called The Pale Fox by Marcel Gruel and Germain Dirtelen. A pair of French anthropologists slash ethnographists who studied the Dogon. Gruel tells an amazing story of being initiated into the secret teachings of the Dogon who told them of these invisible stars in the

Serious system which they called Sigoutolo. It's a great story and really if you look at the world at the time it's super unlikely that they picked up this information from past visitations from other cultures because like you were asking they were fairly uncontacted up to that point and the people who had come did not appear to have the information that they were relaying to these French ethnographists. Right. I kind of don't. I don't like that because that suggests that there isn't any kind of oral tradition from prior to any number of things occurring. Like it is I don't know. I don't know how to actually. You're imagining that I'm not going to destroy this. Okay. I was about to. No I didn't know if this is going to be a thing. I was about to.

No. This is all bullshit. Okay fine. I don't believe it. No. I didn't believe it to begin with. This is just how they presented this stuff. This isn't true. So unfortunately in 1991 anthropologist Walter Van Beek led a team to live among the Dogon ultimately spending a full decade living with them and learning about their culture. On day one they were offered a Coke. He found that a whole lot of the things that Griel and Dirtailin were saying and people had accepted his fact were super suspicious and likely made up. He wrote this about the Serious idea quote though they do speak of Sigoutolo interpreted as Griel as their name for Serious itself. They disagree about with each other as to which star is met. For some it's an invisible star that should rise to announce the

Sigou or the festival like a holy festival. Okay. For another it's Venus that through though in a different position appears as Sigoutolo. All of them agree however that they were told about the star from Griel. Oh my god. Fuck off. Fuck you. Fuck you Griel. So why would you even tell him about the star? Well I think that there's actually an interesting wrinkle to this. I think we're going to get to it here in a second because I'm not sure he meant to. Okay. I'm not entirely clear about that. It's tough to nail down that and he's long dead so. Right Rara. I assume that he like walked away from the main camp, had to pee, started singing the classic Serious song. Maybe. Yeah. So the basis of this story is complete shit but it should be pointed out that

it's very likely that the French dudes didn't do this out of any actual evil intention. It's most likely that they asked the Dogon leading questions and misinterpreted their answers because their reporting on the study wasn't overly sensationalized. It initially got very little attention when it was published back in the 1930s. Either way it's complete nonsense but that didn't stop Robert Temple from using it as the centerpiece of his book arguing that the Serious aliens were at the root of human civilization and his book has been a big piece of alien canon ever since. It should be noted that Robert Temple began working on the Serious mystery in 1967 at the age of 22. His then mentor was a man named Arthur Young who actually invented the Bell Helicopter

but was so disgusted by the invention of nuclear weapons that after World War II he completely dedicated himself to the real weird paranormal stuff. I like him. He seems all right. I mean he's the reason a lot of this stuff is is around so I don't know if I like him for that but I mean he's a crazy dude who invented a helicopter and then you find out people build weapons that will destroy humanity and you're like fuck it aliens. Like that seems like a reasonable way to go. In 1952 Young established the Foundation for the Study of Consciousness and there he would meet young enterprising Robert Temple who would go on to become a secretary for the organization. Robert Temple did get an A in theology and his A-levels. Arthur Young was super into the idea

of the Council of Nine. In these paranormal conspiracy worlds when you hear about someone channeling alien information the Council of Nine is very often mentioned where they're generally characterized as nine powerful alien beings from Syria. Of course. And often have some sort of like creator deity emotions attached to it. Naturally. That sort of thing. Right. In 1952 the year he opened his foundation Young was one of nine people who attempted to make first contact with the Council at a gathering organized by Andrea Puharich. Puharich was a bit of a paranormal hype man and is most notable for introducing the world to Yuri Geller claiming that he had hypnotized Geller at which point he was informed that Geller was the chosen savior of mankind. That's

nice. Working for an entity known as Hoover. Also Geller could apparently teleport. Right. This stuff is true. Is that how he got on the Tonight Show so often. That is. Okay. Also Geller. They didn't need to buy him airfare. A lot of the stuff that Puharich would come out and say about Geller like that he had come up with while he was hypnotized. Yeah. Geller would be like I don't know about that. Even you. It's kind of like I don't know. I don't know if I want to be known as the chosen savior of mankind from an alien race. That's not too bad. Or some shit. I just love it. I love a good like Council of Nine. Like you got to love a good name like that. Yeah. It's pretty good. It's so good. It's a very pervasive idea. Oh yeah. You can buy anything if it comes

from the Council of Nine. Not just like oh these aliens talk to us. No. It was the Council of Nine. It was the Melchizedek order. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Ridiculous. Templars. So that was in 1952. At 13 years after this gathering, Young would tell a 20 year old Robert Temple about the French anthropologist's findings with the Dogon people and almost certainly added a little bit of his own wacky spin to it. People who have studied the supporting documents and the book Temple ended up writing have concluded based on how weak it is on evidence that he must have been writing it to please his boss, Arthur Young, who was a bit obsessed with the aliens from Sirius. Hey, hey man. Hey, I wrote this book for you. You want to design me a helicopter? He's a young

20 something old enterprising young guy who's hanging out with the inventor of this helicopter. And he's like, my boss loves fucking serious aliens. He's told me about this, this article about the Dogon having contact with aliens and creating civilization. I'm going to fucking reinforce it in this book. Right. So Temple by brown nosing his way into a helicopter wound up creating an entire fucking mythology. Because there's still like Eric Von Daniken and a lot of those people. I don't know exactly how the timeline works, but it's not like neither do they because the aliens control it, Dan, but it's not like he's singularly responsible for a lot of this stuff. He's just a piece of it. He's a big tendril. So all that's bullshit. So but that may make

that might make it a little bit of a surprise to learn that on the cover of the Sirius mystery, there's a promotional blurb from Isaac Asimov that reads quote, I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. He did not write that. He did. Did he? He did. As like a, as like a piece of literature. I know that Asimov doesn't have the best track record and at least not perfect. But it seems do you mean with sexually assaulting people anywhere near him? But this seemed like too much. It's a little bit much. A little bit much. It turns out Asimov later clarified what was going on here. Quote, he sent me the manuscript, which I found unreadable. Finally, finally, he asked me point blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of

politeness, partly to get rid of him and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book. So the answer was true. I said I could not point out any errors. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion. I'll just have to be careful here after. That is perfect. That's that is a perfect story. But it also speaks to Robert. Temple's manipulativeness, like getting that blurb on the cover of the book is obviously lending his work false credibility. Well done. Yeah. Well done. He's a con man too. Yeah. No, that's a good. Everybody's calling that is a good grift. So Robert Temple wrote a shitty misleading book to suck up to his boss based on misinterpreted anthropology put up by incredibly incompetent

Frenchman. And that is what Pierre Sabac cites as a major influence in his life. And that he says the book made a good argument. This guy is super dumb. Yeah. Wow. Isn't that great? Isn't that a great story? Also, I really like that story that gets me excited. Yeah, I know that's a great one. I really like Asimov's clarification there because it's not like how dare he use this quote. It's more like, Hey, you got me on this one. It's introspective. You win this one. Yeah. I fucked up. Yeah. Exactly. I technically did say that. Yep. Yeah. It's way out of context. You win some, you lose some. My bad on this one, guys. Yeah. So that's a delight. And now we get into like other influences that Pierre Sabac had. And one of them obviously is David Ike. David Ike is of course

is the the powder familius of a lot of these sorts of things somewhat omnipresent. Yes. Ubiquitous. But Pierre has an interesting criticism of David Ike. I also around probably around 2000 I came to contact with David Ike's work and I found his research absolutely fascinating. But again, I was a little bit dissatisfied with his work and not in terms of what he presented because I found that this was very fascinating. But he had a lot of sources which presented circumstantial evidence. Oh, did he? Oh, did he? Circumstantial evidence. I want primary sources, Dan. That's fucking awesome. Circumstantial evidence. I love anybody on one of these episodes, these Project Camelot dicks, just being like, that guy, look, I agree with a lot of the stuff he's saying, but he was not

rigorous in his method. Fuck off. You know, I thought he was really at the forefront. You know, his book about lizard people running everything, unparalleled, until I wrote my book about lizard people writing. I mean, he might as well have said something about those lines. Yeah, exactly. So he, like we already I think firmly established is someone who might be a good painter, but has no business or formal education or training in the world of linguistics at all. None. But in this next, I didn't want to include all of the like times he just rattles off words. And I can't chase down all of these. But when he starts bringing up arc, dog does come up, nail dog comes up Wednesday, but I can do it too. When there are instances that he talks about

Greek stuff that I actually know something about, we can talk about those. Yeah. But I wanted to include this as just sort of a cross section of what it's like listening to him talk about his work, because it's it's it's filled with petty shade. No, not not. I think he's through most of that. He's through most of the she's gotten gotten through most of that. Okay. But this is just like, listen to this. And just it makes me uncomfortable. Now, polyglottal symbolism does indeed prove that there is a universal grammar. And I think it's probably here useful for me to explain what a polyglottal symbol is. So for example, in different or numerous languages, you have a parent amazing parent amazing is another word for a wordplay. So you have

wordplays which repeat in many different languages. And I can give you a few examples of these wordplays. So for you in English, you've got the word, God, and that's the reversal of the word dog. But you find the wordplay also in the Latin, Lato is a polo, which is God, which was the Roman God. And then you've got lateral, which is a bark again within the Japanese. Oh, Kami is a God. Oh, Kami is a wolf. Again, within the Arabic, Allah is God, Allah is the bark. We'll deal. So all gods are dogs. Is that what he's? Is that is the point he's trying to make? I guess so. I'm not entirely sure. But we'll get to what he's doing a little bit down the road. Like I can explain exactly why he's thinking is very wrong. But when I when I started listening

to this episode, first of all, I love that Robert Temple stuff. And I always I'll never take the opportunity to talk about stuff like that. But then I started to listen to him just rattle off these words and make connections between them that are ostensibly trying to make a larger point that isn't there that doesn't make any sense. And it really reminded me of like when I was fairly young, I checked myself into like a mental hospital, because I was really depressed. And I was I was going through the shit. Yeah. And I checked myself out of it, because the people there refused to let me change rooms. And the roommate that I had in the room I was in was someone who was like, he would always be carrying around a dictionary and yelling at me

about various words that he found to be related to each other. Right. Right. And I'm not saying that Pierre is in the same boat as him. But this is a preoccupation that some people have that's rooted in mental illness, right? Like the idea of connections that don't exist being something that's super important that you don't realize it. It's hidden. And it's hidden intentionally. Right. You know, it's now the aliens came up with the word Wednesday, and they put wed at front of it, which is why all weddings need to happen on Wednesday. It's obvious, Dan. It's that level, but with anger behind it. Yeah. Or at least the time that I'm referring to, there was that anger behind it. There's certainly a little bit of a hostility behind what Pierre

is talking about, if only because he won't like Harry talk, which is a little right, right. And then because of what's behind it, it is the idea of like usurping ruler aliens that are dominating the planet. There is an anger that he has towards them in his like, I've cut through their code. Let me free you. Oh, so he's mad at them. He doesn't like the aliens. No, well, not the reptilians. Well, of course, the reptilians are bad. Raptors don't come up. That's disappointing. There are dog aliens that are now in play, but they are also gods. I don't fucking know. They get such a tertiary mention that I don't even have a clip of it. Harry just mentions that there are dog beings. Like, I'm, I'm, I like that. I like dog beings.

I want a dog being human beings best friend. Yeah, exactly. I, I, I like any kind of like when they just throw in something that you're familiar with and they're like, ah, that's also an alien. Yeah. No, but that's what they all, everything. Yeah, everything. Yeah. Anything. There are fucking, what about seals? Obviously there are seal aliens. All right. What about bigger dogs? Bigger dogs? Yep. Absolutely. What about small dogs? Small dogs, teacup dogs? Yeah. Yeah. Little ones that you can fit in. There are little purse aliens. There are little purse aliens. Absolutely. What about purses? There are alien purses. Oh, now that would be fun. Uh-huh. I would like to talk to my little purse. Yeah. Fanny packs?

It's just nonsense, but I got that sense from him or I got that same feeling. And maybe it's just because I had that experience that I, it evoked it. Yeah. But I did get really creeped out by listening to him just prattle off words. And I'm telling you, there will be more specifics later where I will explain why he's wrong about them and then explain on a larger sense what he's doing with linguistics that if he studied linguistics, he would know is bad. Yeah. But it just, it just is, it just feels like someone who is a little bit, a little bit off. Yeah. Little bit, little troubled. I'm going to throw this word out there, Dan. Right. I don't know if there are aliens about this one, but I'm going to go with coincidence. Oh, no, it's not even coincidence. Some of it's

way easier to explain than that. Oh, okay. But in this next clip, a lot of the larger mythology, you take the linguistic part of it out of it, a lot of the larger mythology I think can come down to a misunderstanding of something very specific. And in this next clip, I think Pierre, let's slip what that thing is. Really? Within the biblical and apocrypha traditions, you have two creations. You have the first creation, which is the Aon, which is the expression of spirit into matter, which was the creation of the original Anthropos. Now the Anthropos encodes specifically three types of races. One is the Seraphim or the Rectilian race. The other is the Kerabim or the Proto-Human race. And then you have the Djinn, which is a psychic race, which is

related to the Ruach Elohim, the High Spirits. So this is essentially the Anthropos. Now the Anthropos was corrupted by the Demiurge. The Demiurge is the public workman, Demiurgos, which is the public craftsman. The public craftsman is really another word for a genetic engineer because he engineered the public. He created mankind, and this essentially was the fall of the Anthropos. He's just basically co-opting Gnostic ideas and completely misusing them. I can see where he consulted on Prometheus. That has a lot of bullshit like that in it. Well, but all it is is like someone who took theology in high school's version of Gnosticism. Yeah. You know, there's just like you throw in the Anthropos and the Demiurge,

the idea of like the Aons and stuff like that, the first creation being that realm, and then the Barbello coming in, and Earth is the secondary creation that was created by the Demiurge. That's a lot of stuff that's very complicated and is very frequently misused by people in these worlds. This is such an example of Douglas Adams' way of viewing these people whenever they, these people are interviewed and they're always like, okay, I'm going to take something you know, the Bible, and I'm going to add this thing that you really probably don't know, but it's the same thing that you know. So it's the Biblical Apocrypha. Well, you even mentioned Apocrypha. That's not what this is.

No, no, no. And then it goes into, well, in the Biblical Apocrypha, there's the Anthropost. And let me explain to you what the Anthropost is. And then that is also this and this and this. And then this is another thing that you don't know, but it's what the, and then there was the Elohim and the, and so the whole thing that I'm saying is absolutely nothing, but it's stuff that you already know that makes me sound smart because I'm saying it differently than you. You know enough of it to know that it sounds like I know something. Yeah, exactly. You don't know enough to know I'm full of shit. I'm going to take the words that you know, I'm going to create new words about them,

and it's going to make me sound smart. Yeah. So in this next clip, we learn more about that Anthropost, which is just the Greek word for man. Oh, I thought it was the Anthropost, which is the Greek word for That's a multiple man tombstone with wider. That is not correct. This next clip is also not correct. Okay. And he in this next clip, Pierre explains the path that humans have taken to coming to earth.

So really, when we're talking about the Adamic man, we're really talking about the Martian. And I think this is interesting and it's really important to understand this. Now, obviously, man's was destroyed and there was complete annihilation of that planet. My understanding of this, and this is picked up upon in the Zerostian traditions, is that the seed of man was taken to the moon, hence the esoteric signifier of the man in the moon. No! The word plays are found in the Greek, Semele, which is the moon goddess and Simeon, which is an ape. So this dude is so annoying.

He was transferred to the moon and then was transferred to the earth, which is the second creation. So yes, there was a war in heaven. Okay. What? So yes, there was a war in heaven. So we have established there was a war in heaven. Mars got destroyed. Of course. Man was brought to the moon as evidenced by the, uh, the term.

Normal saying, man on the moon. Right. There was a fucking Jim Carrey movie, man. It's regular. Exactly. It's normal. Totally normal. Because of aliens.

And then so after the moon, they came, the man came here. I'm not sure why you had to outpost on the moon for a little while. Not sure what the point of that was. Well, I mean, If you're coming from Mars to earth, you don't need to refuel on the moon or anything. It says you. That's absurd. That's absurd.

If you make that long of a trip, you're going to stop over. That's crazy. Well, okay. So if you are going from Mars to the earth, that's like driving from like Los Angeles to Columbia, Missouri, and you stop off in Jeff City. On the way. All right. Jefferson city.

Well, cool people from Missouri college. He's not saying where everybody is in their orbits. You know, it's like maybe they left from Mars. Whenever Mars was closer to the moon, then Mars was closer to the earth. You make a good point. See, there you go. All right. Of course you got it.

I stand corrected. Depends on where Jefferson city is in its orbit. Now, hey, how about throw this one on there? How do we even know the moon was orbiting earth at the time that this occurred? A lot of people don't think the moon is real. That's also true. Just the moon itself. Just the moon itself.

That's a hologram. Is there a problem with that? I don't know. Are we talking Eddie Bravo? Why isn't Eddie Bravo been on Project Camelot? That is actually a really great question. I'm sure he would accept that book. Oh, for sure.

We got to, we got to start a, like a change.org petition. Yeah, a change.org petition. Yeah. Let's get them involved with this. It seems to be the best way to do things. So let's start one. First petition, get Eddie Bravo on Project Camelot. Second petition, really ask whether the moon is real.

Can you imagine how much he would yell at Kerry? It would be, that would be the best. It's so great. So in this next clip, you know, just to flex his sort of broad spectrum of knowing languages. He's already talked a little bit about Greek. He's talked about a ton of other languages. Now he gets into Hebrew. Can I ask you a question?

Yeah. Does he think he can speak these languages? I want you to put a pin in that because Kerry asks him that later. Okay, good. I'm glad that Kerry has a good interview question. It's not supposed to be a gotcha question, but it ends up being one. Yeah, of course it does. But for asking that question, it's like, and you of course need to say yes to this question

and then maybe speak a little bit of one of those languages. It should have been a layup. It really should have been easy. She wouldn't follow up by what you just said. Say something in the language. If he just said, yep, I do know these languages. Cool. Let's move on. Yeah, it's an intrinsic problem that like if you like, I only know this from my study of

ancient languages. Like I took semesters upon semesters. I was a minor in ancient Greek in college and like from my even admittedly baseline understanding of ancient Greek. One of the things that I was very impressed with is if you don't understand the nuances of the specific language you're talking about, you don't understand the particular words. Because sometimes things mean completely different things depending on the context of the sentence, depending on the declension of the noun or things can mean different things.

Just think of the word fuck. If you don't know the context of the word fuck, you don't know what the word fuck means. Totally. Totally. There are those things that go idiomatically between languages and that existed even in the ancient world. Of course. Like so if you don't study the actual language, you're talking shit and that's what he's doing

a lot of. But in this next quote, he talks shit about Hebrew and he's trying to explain to Kerry where Yahweh came from, the tetragrammaton, the word of God's name, the unpronounceable name of God comes from. Yeah, it's when they were giving directions in Aramaic, they would be like, yeah, that's the right way. That wasn't it. What it is, is an introduction for Kerry to completely blow her show on air.

And again, the same idea was encoded in Yahweh's name as well. Because the ultimate word, ayah, which is Yahweh, is a pun on ayah, which is a serpent. So the terminology, ayah, which is the word ayah, which is aramaic. Hold on one second. It's my kid, Colin. Sorry. Because this is connected, I have to do a... Yeah, it's fine.

Go right ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. Right, no, it's fine. So I was saying that the etymology of Yahweh comes from the word ayah. Ayah is translated as ayah. He's like, it's so funny to me that Kerry gets a call in the middle of him trying to explain the word play involved in the name of God in the Hebrew Bible.

I love it. Every time her show is revealed to be that silly in terms of like... And clunky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So good. And what do you prove by saying that the Tetragrammaton is a play in some ways on? I am, I was, like that sort of thing, because that is the idea behind it, the all-existing being.

Dan, what don't you prove? I think you don't prove anything. I think you prove that... Okay. I think you prove it all. If you were an all-knowing, all-existing, all-powerful God, your presentation to the people who are subject to you. Obviously...

Would be in PowerPoint. Certainly. If that wasn't invented, then you would just stress to them, I am all, I am, I was, I will be. That sort of thing. Sure. That I don't, I don't see a nefarious word play thing here. I think I see a very basic thing that I think is, I understand it. Now, I don't know this totally because I haven't studied Hebrew in any, any in-depth way.

But I don't think that's even like an unconventional thought. Like, I don't think that that's some sort of a like, oh, isn't this weird? I think that, I think that Hebrew scholars are cool with that one. I think that that's basic stuff. See, this is what I'm saying. When you minor in ancient Greek, you don't get all the learning. If you had majored in ancient Greek, you would have gotten at least a little bit of Hebrew. I doubt it.

Everybody knows that. I doubt it. Because the Council of Nine would have told you to. Possibly. Or I could ask my dad. Yeah, well, that's possible. He, it certainly has taught college courses on, on biblical Hebrew. But anyway, in this next clip, we learn more about linguistic plays that the aliens have made.

And I know that he hasn't established that it's the aliens doing it, but trust me, we'll get to the clip. Yeah. It's coming up. It's the aliens. So if I understand correctly, so far, all we're talking about is little bits of word play, like cognates and that. And then like, twist it around.

You bet. Like, where would God be if it weren't inverse dog? You bet. Like that's the whole thing. You bet. That's his evidence. Well, his evidence is supposedly trying to create the idea that he is aware of a universal language that's hidden behind language.

Because of those cognates that he's found and stuff like that. Right. Right. But because he doesn't study language, he doesn't realize that a lot of those are coincidences. Yeah. So there is a lot of that going on. Yes. I don't, honestly, I've listened to this episode.

It's two hours and something long. I don't really understand what he thinks he's proved. I don't know what. Kerry is trying to get to other than, huh, there's a lot of words that sound similar in different languages. That's all you walk away from this clip. It's tragic. It's tragic.

He doesn't even have a fucking telescope, Dan. He does. Well, you might. You never know. Oh, that's true. So in this next clip, we learn about the word worship. Okay. And what's worship backwards?

Well, that's not it. But this is a pursue. This is an interesting take. Cattle mutilation is going back thousands of years. So essentially what they're doing is apen or copying what's happening within the natural world in terms of that. These cattle are dying and they've been exsanguinated. And therefore the collection of the blood within the receptacle, which was symbolized

as an angelic vessel, which was a sata denoting the angels. It's very important. So if just to just to pump the brakes for a second, what he's talking about is UFOs, upside down, are bowls for blood. Yeah. Cool. All right. Just making sure.

Yeah, I got that. Just making sure. I was trying to get through him thinking that by saying exsanguinated, he wins. Oh, he's a linguist. The moment he said that, he was like, check this out. Exsanguinated. You didn't even know that was a fucking word. I just wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page and that wasn't lost in his accent.

And this is why we get the word worship from the term ship. Again, it's going back into the idea of an angelic sailor. As I mentioned when we were discussing this idea before, there's a relationship between Malak and Angel, but it's a polymorphic symbol. Malak also means a sailor. So this is an angelic sailor. And as I mentioned earlier, the angelic sailors were added of the Yawes the Bower. Now, I want to slow you down again.

When you're saying worship, because that's very interesting worship. So you didn't talk about the first part of the word were. I'm not sure what that means, war or W-O-R. But ship is also, you know, in essence, the reference to a vessel. A vessel being like a flying saucer, you know, they come in the people. For sure. For sure. You can keep saying words, but I'm just waiting to start saying exsanguinated again.

Yeah, this all comes basically from like old English. It's nonsense. The war at the beginning of it. It's basically worthiness. And ship from the old English is from like Skype, which is a reference to a state of being. So if the state of being worthy is worship worthy of being praised. Yeah, that's where that comes from. That has nothing to do with ships as boats.

That comes from a completely different etymological route. That sounds like something that you would learn if you were studying linguistics. Dude, it really seems pretty simple, really simple stuff. But no, it's alien spacecrafts upside down are bulls and sanguinated blood. Yeah. That's where we get worship. Right. But we don't need to worry about the war part.

I'm just on a ship right now. War, warship of war. There we go. I think that's even better than it is bullshit. Yeah, see, there you go. We figured it. We did it. Yeah.

But watch out for bulls. Absolutely. I think that's the bigger issue here. Yeah, bulls are scary. Bulls are troublesome. Bull, which in ancient Greek is lobe. So in this next clip, Pierre discusses criticism that he must receive very constantly. And close.

His answer is not very good. You asked me earlier on how well there's a subjective interpretation of words. And it's almost like the next question that most people ask when I talk about the subject is, yeah, but are you sure you're not making it up? But I think you've got the polyglotal symbol. And when these word planes repeat in many different languages, then we need to be paying attention. And this is essentially the artifact.

I would say that generally, if you're a scholar in something and you're in an academic community or something like that, people aren't like, are you sure you're not making this up? Because this is bullshit. Most of the time, you're not coming from a great place to begin with if people are constantly asking if you're making this up. That's the most polite way. Of course he's from Britain because the most polite way for you to say you're full of shit in Britain is, are you sure you're not making this up?

You sure? I am giving you one chance to say you made this up. Right. Immediately after the next sentence that isn't, I made this all up. I'm going to tell you you're full of shit. And his answer of like, well, if it's in a lot of different languages, it must be cool. Like that's not a good answer to whether or not you're making this up.

That's a process question. You're just going back to your bad evidence. You need to talk about how you came to these, these conclusions because it's, it's dicey. So there's a number of things that he says that are that same thing like God backwards as dog, other languages, words that are like either a deity figure is similar to the name of a dog or something like that. It's like all that stuff, pretty thin and not worth talking about quite frankly. But this next one absolutely is because it also, first of all relates to Greek.

So I know a little bit about it. And secondarily, the thing that he's suggesting is crazy. This is lunacy. But remember, Kerry, the word salsa is the word play on Sauros, which is a lizard. Again, within the Semitic Recover chariot is a word play on Cab, which is a Carl and Kev, which is a serpent. So the serpent is very ancient idea and it's going back to the veneration of the serpent. The Greek word office, the serpent relates to the office worker.

This is why the office worker wears a tie. The tie is the symbol of the serpent. Oh my God. Well, I mean, it's, it's pretty blatant. So it's real blatant. It's pretty blatant. Oh man. So I was, I admire their restraint because he said something that sounded very similar to

Sauros there. And that's launching into that's nice. Sauros is a proof. He's the demon. Right. The serpent. Right, right, right. The word for office in Greek is not the same thing as the word for serpent.

Serpent is a Phoebe or office, which I admit sounds a lot like office, but it's not related at all. The Greek word for office is Grafeo. Our word office comes from the Latin word aficium, which as much as Pierre might want it to is not related to the word for serpent office. It's very different. There are very different words that have different roots and come from different places. It sounds the same, but that's it. It is.

It's wonderful for you to have real knowledge about etymology and how this guy is full of shit. But at the same time, I feel like anybody with even a cursory ability to critically think about this would listen to what he's saying and go, that is dumb. That is a dumb thing to say. I mean, even you are dumb. Let's allow the first stage of his conspiracy to be true. Right.

Let's imagine that office, the Greek word for serpent, and it's not even the most commonly used. That's the second most commonly used word for snake or serpent. Right. Imagine that that is where we get the word office from in English. Yes. So if that is the case, why is the word in Greek for office not that? Well, because that's not what they're trying to communicate to.

So the plan, if I understand his plan for the Council of Nine or whatever it is that we're talking about here correctly, what he's saying is that they are speaking across timelines through different languages in order to influence human events by using this underlying secret language that connects all of them together. So that would imply that their time travel manipulating abilities did not extend to before the Greek language was formed. Because wouldn't they want to fuck with those people too? Well, yeah.

Like wouldn't they want? How? Well, what's the word for office in Greek? Grafeo. Grafeo? That sounds a lot like graph paper. What do people use in offices all the time? They're actually similar etymology roots there, I believe.

I'm not entirely sure. I haven't looked at that one. See, there you go. It's all in front of you. It, as Kerry said, Dan. Same thing with graphite. Blatant. Graphite pencil for writing.

And what is a pencil but a snake that can talk? Graph and calculators. Graffiti. Conspiracy. See, there you go. That's so stupid. This is spectacularly dumb. So bad.

I really think the guy with the telescope had more to say. But again, this goes back to Kerry being fucking so duped by accents. This guy has a European accent and she's like, fuck. Like, because if you imagine him saying these sorts of things without that accent, you're like, eesh, eesh. Like imagine him with like a southern twang. Oh, no, you'd be done with him. Yeah.

There's no chance. Yeah. Well, you know what I heard is that the tie, the bow tie, the tie is the sign of the serpent and that comes from the Greek word for office. You know why we think what we think about the south, right? Because of people like you. But this guy has fun accents. So it's fine.

So he has an interesting idea in this next clip, Pierre does, about what the Mayans were up to. As we all know. I was wondering what the Mayans were up to in all of this. Kerry certainly believed that the end of the world was coming in 2012. Of course. Which is one rare thing that she disagrees with Alex on, because at least he is on the record pretty clearly.

That wasn't a good on him for that. But Pierre has currently the scoreboard is a 999,999 to one. I think it's three or something like that. Oh, could be those principles. Yeah. 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:13,760 But in this next clip, Pierre has an idea about what the Mayans were actually up to when they were writing those calendars and stuff.

I mean, this is only an idea. But there's a possibility that the Mayans were trying to change the timeline. It seems to me the possibility that sometime in our future, that on a certain timeline that mankind is destroyed on nearly completely annihilated. Nearly. And he's then replanted on the earth. If this scenario is correct, then essentially what we're doing is we're living in the past. And some of these cultures were aware of this knowledge.

And what they were trying to do was try to almost avert a catastrophe by completely changing what the timeline would be in terms of the next generation and the next population. But this is not something which I can prove. But I just think that this would be an explanation possibly why the Mayans and other cultures were so obsessed with blood sacrifice that there was an attempt to try and change the timeline. That tracks. That was astonishingly stupid.

It's wild. That was truly almost, almost respectable in the level of idiocy involved there. It's almost like even somebody who is stupid enough to believe that would be smart enough never to say it out loud. Well, it's also interesting because someone who would have these ideas kicking around in their head generally wouldn't be able to articulate them in a thread you could follow. Right. And then on top of that, have the wherewithal to in the middle of it be like,

I can't prove this. Because generally these people would be like, here's an outlandish thing that I believe in. And it's definitely true. There is that weird restraint that he's showing that also I kind of, there's a part of me that resents it. Yeah, I really kind of think that he captured like a former WWE writers. You know, the ones.

Freddie Prinze Jr. No, no, no, not him. Isn't he still a writer for WWE? No, I think he's a former writer. No. Tony Hinchcliffe? Definitely. Okay.

He captured him. It got him in a basement somewhere and he's just like, give me your wildest bullshit. Well, the Mayans are trying to change the timeline and that's why they're into blood sacrifice. I'm going to say that on TV the soonest I can. Yeah. Man, that's stupid.

Yeah, it's pretty wild. Not as stupid as this next clip though, because it gets back into talking about Greek words and he blows blows it real bad. Mayans were trying to change the timeline. Because they knew that a crisis was happening eventually and you and I right now, we're living in the past of that future or whatever. Right. And they knew that back then they're trying to avert the,

maybe 2012 was really just trying to avert the, like the disaster that would have happened in 2028 or something like that. Oh, I thought he meant, I thought he was thinking that the reason that we didn't all die in 20. I thought this was like, I thought this was a retcon for why we didn't die in 2012 totally might have because the Mayans knew we were going to die in 2012. And so they sacrificed a shit ton of people in order to change the timeline, because in 2012 we would have had a complete disaster or merely been annihilated.

Dude, your take on it is just as valid as anything I can come up with. That might be what he's saying. I kind of think that's what he's trying. I think he's retconning it. He's saying something in that ballpark. I know that much, but that beyond that, unwilling to comment. Huge fan of the Mayan ballparks.

Yes. A lot underappreciated. The goal is to lose because if you win, you're dead. Yeah, you die. Yeah. So anyway, here's this, this, him screwing up again with Greek. In the Greek, basalisk is a serpent, basaliskos is a type of king. So this isn't a long string of various cultures having words for like royalty that are sort of

tertiaryly involved with the games. We're just going through everything that could be snakes. Yeah, and here's the problem with this one. I don't know about like, I don't know Persian. I don't know Sanskrit or any of that stuff, so I can't speak to it. I'm sure it's as bad as this. If this is his example that I do know something about. Right.

So the issue here is that Pierre is misunderstanding how language works. There's a mythological being which dates back to at least the time of Pliny the Elder called the basalisk. And Pliny the Elder was right on. Everybody knows him now to be 100% accurate. This is a large rooster snake hybrid that can kill you by looking at you. The issue is that it was named the basalisk because of the Greek word for king being basalaos. And the idea that this thing is the king of the snakes. So in Greek, it was called basalisa basaliskos,

which is just a slight tweaking of the word to mean little king. Yeah, that's all that is. This isn't proof of some kind of linguistic word play seeking to hide the reality of the world or at least hiding it until someone as smart as Pierre comes along and cracks the code. It's just a mythological creature being given a name to reflect with the teller of the story wanted to convey about the beast, namely its royalty. This would be legit as stupid as me making the argument that kings are notoriously all drunks because there's that cream ale out there called little kings.

And why would the word be the same if it weren't trying to encode some deeper hidden reality about kings? Aliens. Little kings. Aliens. The name basalisk comes from basalaos, comes from basaliskos. So like all that stuff is just putting the cart before the horse in some ways or like reimagining how linguistic evolution happens and how things are named. It's fucking incredibly stupid.

Like this is this is baseline shit. Right. No, the French phrase le petit more. Little death for the orgasm. Little death that is actually coming from the Mayans because every time you came you used to die. True. That's just true.

Well, I know this French guy who might be English who told me that. So this entire interview and the basis for Pierre's supposed scholarship boiled down to two phenomenon in the study of language that Pierre would be much more aware of if he actually studied languages he pretends to be an expert in. These are what's known as false cognates and false friends. There are tons of examples of words in different languages that sound similar and often even have similar meanings, but it'd be wrong to say that they're connected because they come from completely distinct etymological bases.

This is what's called a false cognate. One of the most common and famous examples of this is the word dog being the same in English and in the aboriginal barambam languages. Despite there being no relation between the two cultures that would explain this commonality. What you have to consider is that every language contains thousands and thousands of words. So while it seems impossible that two cultures would come up with the same name for the same thing, given the huge vocabularies you're looking at, it's bound to happen in some cases just on a probabilistic basis.

Yeah. What's important here is that these things are understood by people who study linguistics because they consider the etymology of the words and how these languages are formed and where the influences come from. It's not something that's mysterious and completely lost to us. And a false friend is Alex Jones to Joe Rubin. It's a sneaky snake. There are words and languages that look like they're connected and sound very similar,

but mean completely different things. These are what's known as false friends. And they're often a result of languages borrowing words from a shared source language, but then tweaking the meaning over the course of time. All Pierre Sandek does is pretend that just because a word in Sanskrit sounds similar to a word in Japanese, they must be related as proof that the reptilians are playing tricks on us with words. It's an almost bafflingly simplistic way to look at linguistics.

What about, Dan, the Native American group that spoke Japanese? I'm not aware of this. You didn't know about this? No. Not group. Tribe or whatever it is, the linguistics professors found that their language was strikingly similar to Japanese. So that clearly means aliens.

Contacted them and aliens are Japanese so we can assume that all Japanese people are aliens. I mean, without looking into it, I don't know what the explanation is or even if you're not making this up. But assuming that you're not, there are plenty of reasons for that to be the case. A lot. Yeah. A lot. There are a hundred.

I'm going to go with Mayans. There are a hundred different explanations for how cultural transmission happens, that sort of thing. And it all comes back to the doggons. Trade routes that happened in early times, all that sort of stuff. Like the Silk Road? Any of that kind of shit. Could be that.

It explains a whole lot of stuff. And look, I'm not an expert in linguistics. I like languages and stuff like that. And I have a toe in the water in terms of knowing what I know about Greek. But because I do know that, I have had to study some of this stuff. That doesn't mean that I know what the Sanskrit roots of things are or anything like that. But it does inform my ability to know how you would find it out. Right.

So that part is where I get a problem with him. Because these things are so easily explainable. Like the Basilisk, Basilios kind of thing. Yeah. Oh, come on, man. Get out of here with that shit. Come on. Or the worship ship.

Let's forget about the prefix on the word. Fuck it. Okay. It's an upside down bowl for blood. Ship. Yeah. It's like, this is like, it's embarrassing on a number of levels. It's incredibly embarrassing.

For both of them. This is stupid. For Cary and for Pierre. Yeah. He's presenting a fun theory, namely that the reptilians are behind everything and they've tricked us with language for years. Of course. And that's fine.

I understand he's got to find a way to not do portraits for no money for the rest of his life. Yeah, that's tough. I don't hate to hustle or whatever. But it does indicate a real failing on Cary's part that she doesn't understand linguistics enough to understand like, this guy does not know what he's talking about. He's presented his academic credentials that have nothing to do with this subject. He's talking about deeply complicated systems of language that he has, I guess, read an article or two about.

And his inspiration for all of it is a book that's a lie. Yeah. Yeah. You correctly summed it up. It's one of those things where you are absolutely capable of tricking people who are not going to look into it. Right. Like.

Or who have no interest in looking at it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you, if you're. Charmed vested interest in not. Yeah.

Well, yeah. If you're charmed by the idea of getting super, super high and saying, look at all these words sounding similar. Like Rogan. Yeah. Then you'd be like, holy shit, that does make a lot of sense. But if you're somebody who's like, okay, cool. That sounds like interesting information.

I'm going to take one more step and then, oh no, you're a fucking idiot. Well, I think he kind of inoculated himself from the second step by earlier, like a couple of clubs back being like, people come up to me and they say, Pierre, did you just make this up? Yes. And so like he's sort of shielded himself from Kerry asking that question because he's just straw man character to ask it to himself. He's already brought it up and addressed it and solved it.

So, yeah. So in this next clip, we get to why this is sort of relevant to our world and like Alex Jonesy themes start bleeding into the interview because I think Kerry has allowed him to speak his piece about how like reptilians are doing all this shit, whatever, language is a conspiracy. Sure. That is his point, isn't it? 01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,000 All language is a conspiracy.

Basically. Okay. And so Kerry wants to weave it into what she wants to talk about politically. Right. A little bit. The moon. Okay. Also, I wanted to also bring up maritime law that we're basically ruled by maritime law.

So it's all. And Jordan Maxwell talks about that. Well, it's not something which I'm an expert in, but we can see certainly that within the etymologies of government, Gubernatio is to stare at a vessel and this really relates to the ship of state. And we review the ship of state is a mirror image of the ships, which is an angelic ship. Of course. But when you talk about like the ship of state and stuff like that, it's kind of just a metaphor.

But then also like you have to consider again, the ship part in worship and ship are different routes just because they are the same word and are written the same and sound the same doesn't mean that they come from the same etymological route. You're crazy. He's obsessed with ship because he doesn't understand the branching path that words take. No, it's crazy. The reason that we are under maritime law is because and you can take this from the etymological routes, marry and time, which means that we are married to our concept of time.

But also, marry can mean happy. So we are happily married to our concept of time, which is why they run everything. Yeah. No, we can't do that because it has to mean two things. Shit. The aliens. Boats. Reptilians.

Boats. Watch out for boats. Alien boats upside down, blood. There you go. I promise. Upside down, blood. I promise you I'm not editing this episode in a way to make him look like a fool or anything like that.

All I've done is cut out rambling paragraphs of words. Yeah. Basically, this is a ultimately when I started listening to this, I was like, we have to do an episode because I love the Robert Temple stuff. Yeah. I want to talk about that. And then as it went along, I'm like, this is a desert of clips. I can't cut anything out of here because he's doing these like three minute long paragraphs

that he's just delivering and Kerry's like, and then he just talks over. Yeah. And you're like, I did. This is, this is just, just tragic. And then you get to the end and we're at this point where Kerry starts bringing up like maritime law and some familiar themes start to take shape. And I was like, oh, okay, well, we can, we can, we can deal with that. But I just want to stress.

I'm sorry that I'm not making him look like an idiot. No, he's an idiot. He's, he's an absolute moron. I want to be clear about that. Does the whole fucking episode if you want. Yeah. Does he address that he is using language, which he insists is a conspiracy by aliens. You're asking me if he addresses it.

What does that mean? Add dress. Then what is that? What is it? What's that? That means to, uh, to bring it in, bring something in. There we go. Dress is a, uh, uh, something that is a traditionally female garment.

You want me to put on a dress? Is that what you're asking me? I am asking you. Then yes. Or I am asking him. I don't know who I'm asking anything to anymore because the very words I speak betray how important the aliens are to our civilization. Reptilians want everyone wearing dresses confirmed.

Because the only thing that makes sense for his argument to be of any validity is if he then says, and I am working on a language that is uninfluenced by this. He's trying to push Esperanto. I will say that. No, he's not. Because if he was, I'd be fine with that. That kind of makes sense. I would be fine with that.

One world language. If he doesn't, if he doesn't bring up the fact that he is now working on a language that is unencumbered by alien influence, then he's a, he can go fuck himself. Well, he did bring up at one point that like he's a twin, uh, and uh, him. Oh, well, then never mind. He's right. Him and his twin did like telepathically, uh, interact when they were younger. Of course.

And we all know from studies that twins telepathically connect and then also have their own languages that are gobbledygook to everybody else. Right. So, I mean, there is that, there, there is that in there that he's, he's like, maybe everybody should use telepathy, but I don't know if he like actually advances that as his solution or anything like that. That makes sense. Are we okay with twins?

Yeah. I don't know. Twins are fine. Two of the same person? I don't think so. Twins are fine. I don't think it's okay. So, uh,

That's the only thing that I'm racist against. There can only be one, Dan. Fine. A Highlander version of, uh, fertilization. Exactly. Great. There you go. Um, so look, he's, uh, Pierre is a guy who, uh, is, is pretty into like calling out wordplay

in past cultures. Clearly. And one of the reasons is because the serpent, and in this case that means sort of a demonic being and, and the reptilian naturally, uh, they're into wordplay. They're super into it. They love it. They're like, they're like those friends you have that you go hang out with and it's just puns because it's just nonstop.

Aliens are just into puns. Yeah. I like that. I like that. You could hang out with aliens. I don't want, I don't want any nefarious aliens. I just want aliens who are just going on pun runs. I'm a big fan.

I like it too, but it does get a little frustrating at a certain point. About hour two, you're kind of like, oh no, no, no, I already hate this guy and I wish I'd never talked to him. Well, but he's, but it's fine. He's against the wordplay of the, uh, the serpent. So you don't have to hang out with him. You can just hang out with the serpent. Okay.

I'm cool with that. Here's why the serpent is into wordplay. Of course. The serpent likes word games. As we said before, the tango in Japan is related to tango, which is a word. So wait, hold on. Yeah, yeah. No, good justification.

No, it's also a word. Also, I love just the, the serpent is into word games. Might be one of my favorite things I've heard just like, I say like, as a sentence, the serpent is into word games. Man has always been battling the shores, Dan. That they're obsessed with wordplay and it's encrypted throughout human languages. Now I have a theory about this encryption. I think one of the reasons why they're using what I refer to as the artifact,

which is this high degree of artificiality found in the languages. So when he says the artifact, what he's talking about is this idea of a universal grammar that he's proved with all of these disparate words and different languages that sound similar or appear similar. Japanese has tango. We have tango artifact. Boom. Done.

So that's his move on. That's the artifact that is the proof of the alien transmission of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, culture, sure. Linguistics, all of that stuff, which is like, okay, I just need to make that clear because he hadn't brought up the artifact yet. It is due to teleprosy. And I think, essentially, if you encode polyglotal symbolism so that all the words, in a sense, branch out and you find commonalities of similar correlations

within the languages, then you can take a Chinese man and you can take an English man and they both get abducted. They both don't speak the same language. But when the angels are talking to them, they understand exactly what they're saying because their language is working to a universal grammar. This grammar is the artifact, which is found within subliminal symbolism. Okay, very, very well said. Well fucking said.

I do agree. It was well said. It's a dumb idea, but it was a dumb idea. Well said. Presented well. Yeah, don't get me wrong. I've heard way worse. But I would suggest that we're really undercutting aliens on this one.

Like we're really, yeah, that seems like a cumbersome plan because it has to have been going since Chinese existed as a language and the morphological roots of the Chinese language. They could have learned Chinese in that time. These aliens could be, you know, multilingual in all earth languages can't be that complicated for aliens. Why do you imagine that it's difficult for them to learn languages? Why not just introduce a babel fish? We're talking about crazy shit.

Why not? Well, this is Snow Crash. This is Snow Crash explaining away. It's a book. It's never been made into a movie. Never read it. No, it's explaining away the Tower of Babel by going through ancient Sumerian. You know, like with the Tower of Babel, what happened was Man freed himself from the dominance

of the Nam Shub, the people who can speak things into being. Or essentially hypnotize all humanity. So by the Tower of Babel coming down and everybody not being able to speak the same language, the whole thing falls apart. And that is protecting ourselves from this linguistic hypnosis that can happen. And he is an example of somebody who is trying to hypnotize you by just saying a bunch of words really, really quick. It sounds similar.

Yeah, he's learned a bunch of $5 words that he uses to surround dog equals God. And then he calls it a day. I get it, man. Right. I got you. There wasn't any point when I was preparing this episode that I didn't think it would be very transparent. No, no, I know.

But it's like, I don't understand how somebody could listen to him say one paragraph and not be like, I got it. We're going to move on here. Well, and it becomes especially bad after this next clip where Carrie asks him that leading question that we talked about earlier. Yeah. Do you actually speak these other languages? I mean, are you multi?

No, I don't. I would describe myself as a comparative etymologist. So I don't speak the languages, but I'm interested and I'm obsessed with this polyglotal symbolism. So again, when I'm, if you like, if I'm following an idea through and I'm thinking, well, okay, does that symbolize that? Then I'm not just looking for it in one language. I look at it in the Arabic and say, okay, can we find that in the Latin? Can we find that in the English?

Yeah, we can. Can we find that in the Greek? Yeah, we can. That's not how this works. You can't be like, you can't have no awareness or understanding of these languages and just look for words that are similar. That's, that's taking what the study is out of it. Yeah.

You're just looking on a very surface level. Can I make an argument out of this? Right. That's all he's doing. No, he might as well have just said that he's got a bunch of phonetic dictionaries from all different languages and he just closes his eyes, turns a page, spins his hand around and presses down on it. And he's like, okay, this one says a canterbury.

So let's go and see if there's a phonetic canterbury in Chinese. Like that's what he's describing. Yeah, basically. I mean, canterbury is a bad example, but yeah, absolutely. Canterbury is a terrible example. Yeah, that's exactly what he's doing. I have no idea why I came up with canterbury. Not sure.

Right. To these British. Could be. I don't know. His tails are full of shit too. That's true. Yeah. It's the same, so that is exactly what he's doing.

It's, it's just a embarrassing, like if you're presenting yourself as an expert, you have the softest fucking interview in front of you you've ever had. Yeah. You're talking to Carrie Cassidy and you go on and she's like, do you know these languages? Like I said earlier, you're not going to be asked to prove it if you say yes. If you say no, that's suspicious. And then if you're like, well, what I do is I go around and I find like, is this word in other languages?

Is this word like all you have to do is not say stuff like that. And then you could maybe sound like, you know, you're talking about. But I don't know. Maybe he's not used to having people call them out. Also, what's his, what's his baseline for proof? You know what I'm saying? That's a good baseline. Not bad.

What do you mean by that? I mean, I don't know. I only did that because I don't understand the question. Um, like, okay. So he says baseline for proof. So, so it's a battling idea. So his, his idea is I go into the English dictionary and I look and I see, oh, is there this word in Latin?

There it is. Oh, there's this word in Greek. There it is. Oh, there's this word in Chinese. There it is. How many languages is required for him to prove that connection? Clearly two. Yeah, right?

Yeah, one to one. So how can you even consider describing a universal underlying language when you only have a few examples from a couple languages knowing that there have been thousands upon thousands of languages? Right. Like what you'd need to do is you'd need to find like, and I don't think this would even prove it to be just totally upfront. Um, like, so his idea of like Basileos being king in Greek and then Basilisk being this

snake rooster hybrid character from mythology, um, he would then need to prove in other languages that there is a Basileos connection or something like that. Being, being cross-transmitted through all of them instead of culturally ambiguous things that are similar in other cultures. Yeah, you absolutely could not do that. Because the only thing you can prove from that specific Basileos connection is that whoever initially created the mythological being, uh, wanted to impart that it was kingly. Right.

That was it. That's all, that's all you can really prove with that. Can't really prove that king equals snake. Right. Because it doesn't work that way. The only way that his bullshit would even be, uh, uh, like considered, the only way that it would be considered is if by some ridiculous, ridiculous coincidence, literally every human language dog means dog.

Well, there's only two that we know of. One is that Aborigini culture and ours. Right. So that, that, then that's, that's something that is like, that was a puzzle and a complete mystery for linguists for a really long time. Nobody had any idea. It was crazy. Yeah.

But if, if it was like, oh, in Chinese the word dog, the sound dog transfers to dog and in English dog is dog and in Swahili dog is dog and in French dog is dog. It would just be like so much of a coincidence that you could not help but think. I agree. Maybe there's something. I agree that that would be a cause to take a step back. Yeah. But I still don't think it would prove anything.

Because a lot of those cultures might have etymological roots of like whatever dog is based on that could be being played with. Of course. That are different between like cross-culturally. Of course. So like even that, like I know my mind would be blown if everybody called a dog a dog. Exactly. But it still wouldn't prove his argument that aliens created language to fuck with us.

It would not prove anything. No. But it would make you go like, I'll listen to you continue. Instead of like, well, we're doing a show. So you've got to listen. Well, that's fair. You don't have a choice on that one. Or even if you were an academic and you were listening to him, you're just like,

that that is what would require you to not kick him out of the office. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I studied it and in every language, even in American and French and different sign languages, everybody knows that that, that you are sitting on right there is an office chair. Everybody says it's the exact same way. Everybody says it. It's a snake. That's because of demons and aliens or whatever.

And you're like, fair. And that's why all people in offices wear ties. Also, by the way, what about startups? There you go. Are they working against the serpent system? Is that implied? I don't think anybody has ever really taken down an argument by saying, what about startups?

Like legitimately, if wearing a tie is the sign of the serpent office in Greek, if that's the case, then bucking that system, these startups who are evil in and of themselves, that allow you to dress casually, they are in a front to the serpent system. Right. How does he deal with that? Doesn't. Well, we've been having the great Thai V No Thai wars for a long time. And that is not including the people of Thailand who are tertiary involved,

but not as a major player. So you've got Google, right? And they've been fighting against, I don't know, GE. I don't know what you want to, I don't know what you say. Yeah, let's throw that in there. Let's imagine everyone there wears ties. Yeah, everybody at GE wears ties. Nobody at Google wears ties.

There was an investment banking operation or something like that. It's those extra four letters. That's what did it. That's why GE can't compete. Yeah, I agree. So he doesn't know his languages. That's one thing I want to make totally clear. And I think we have, but there's an interesting problem.

What's that? Even for people, I think who do study languages and shit. Like, I think, I think there is just an intrinsic problem that is Egyptian. The hieroglyphics are always a source of debate about what's being imparted here. Yeah. There's no, I don't think there's a perfect sort of translation of a lot of hieroglyphic. Because you can't really understand the idioms through pictograph language.

It becomes much more difficult. And I will say this, our boy here, Pierre, is not studied. I think he's figured it out though. He hasn't studied hieroglyphics. Sometimes it takes a fresh pair of eyes, Dan. I agree with one premise that he's making that is. Pictures are cool. Well, no, I think he probably would say that, but it's not part of his argument.

It's that I don't think that there's a perfect understanding even in the academic community of the hieroglyphic language from ancient Egypt. I think that's probably, I don't know. I haven't looked into it a hundred percent, but I think that's the consensus. Where he goes from there is not good. It's pretty bad. I think this is a very good point. And I'm probably going to describe a lot of your listeners.

I think we, when we're dealing with both, and this app attends both to the academic study of the discipline and also relating to the alternative media, you have to understand the cipherality. Do not want this information disseminated. So there are, if you like, a lot of lies. So for example, the Egyptian hieroglyphs. Real quick, when you say- Cipherati? Is that what he- The cipherati.

The decipherati. That's sort of the Illuminati of language, the people who are like the priest class that is trying to keep you from understanding their villains. Yeah. From context clues, I got what he was talking about, but I really wanted to be sure on that one. It was worth pointing out. Yeah. I haven't been deciphered.

Okay. I mean, at one level, they never went out of circulation and the priest would know how to read the hieroglyphs. With the museum's finalists, they just don't make sense. I agree completely. Of course you do. I agree completely. We all do.

I have noticed that, I just want to say that I have noticed that. If you study the glyphs and you listen to explanations of the guides and so on, and they try to tell you what one thing looks like, it almost never looks like what they say it looks like, and yet it does look like something that you could name. Remember, this is a very careful, yeah. This is a very careful concealment. So the two things there, that's a good example of him just talking over Kerry. Yeah, that was very rude.

And then the second thing is like, let's play this out. I'll be Kerry. You'll be someone that's showing me a hieroglyph. Okay, cool. That one looks like a spaceship. I, well, I was going to say that it actually looks a little bit like a... Parentheses, my arms are crossed. Sockmet, who is...

Eyebrow raised. Well, that looks like a spaceship. Okay, now there is a lot of room for interpretation. There are many different things that can go on, and we don't 100% understand, but I do believe that we understand it enough to point to the fact that this has been seen on many different worship sites for the God Sockmet. And so we can kind of draw from all of these conclusions that they were most likely referencing this.

I can see your frustration. Spaceship. All right, sir, we're going to have to get you out of this McDonald's. I am a man. I'm Kerry in the scenario. I'm sorry, your deep baritone was difficult to overcome. That's what I imagine happens. Like I go around and I go to these tours of these, I see these hieroglyphs and these people

who are on the tours and the experts, they don't like what I see in it. No, they don't. That's fine. That's a different conversation than they're trying to lie to you about it or something like that. And then also I just disregard and don't approve of it all, the idea of like dismissing of scholarship. Like because the people that he's claiming are lying about all these things are people who dedicate their fucking lives to this, this research and do it in a rigorous academic setting. Right.

And this is another really important thing. What he has done, what Pierre Sabac has done, and a lot of these people on Project Cam a lot have done is short circuit and take a shortcut around like legitimate criticism. Rigorous study. Right. Yeah. Because people in academic settings who study, I don't know, linguistic study the evolution of language.

They study cross-cultural language, the way that like a word is used in one culture and then it's used in another, like borrowed. Like all that sort of thing. That is a form of actual academics. What he has done is created the appearance of understanding any of that without any of the criticism that comes in the academic world. Because if you are saying that his studies aren't peer reviewed, if you were someone who was in the fucking academic world and you were making these sorts

of arguments, you would never, it would never fly. All the academic world is about people being like, hold on now. Let's look at what you're saying. And if you are right, hooray. But if you're not, hooray also because then we can refine our ideas from there. Exactly. And try and figure out where your misunderstanding came from and hope we can figure out a way that that also helps future understanding.

And because he's not willing to engage in that process, he lives entirely outside of the academic world, but still pretends he's a part of it. And all it does is just, it's a cheat. It's a fake. It's the stolen valor of smart people. Yeah. Like that's the idea. So in this next clip, Alex, see, get this.

I said Alex because in this next clip, they start talking about some really Alex-y things. Okay. And some of these things are exactly what you heard Alex espouse on Rogan's podcast, which is why this is even more relevant. God damn it. Also getting back to the also military. So there's a military structure. The reptilians again, have an immilitant hierarchical structure.

And they are where you get, you know, the army gets its orders, so to speak. Absolutely agree with that. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. It's the centralized intelligence. So what we have there is Kerry and Pierre expressing exactly what Alex was talking about for a very long time on Rogan's podcast. How is it that everything is relevant?

These aliens that they speak to are giving the military and intelligence orders and stuff like that. That is the big truth that Alex wanted to drop on Joe with like, all the military, the general generals, they take the DMT and then they go into meetings with aliens. Yeah. All that shit. That's what's being expressed by Kerry and Pierre Sabak here. When we look at that stuff coming out of Alex's mouth, it's not interesting.

It's exactly what these fucks say. Like that's the point I want to make here, is that like, he's not treated like these people, but he fucking should be. He should be seen as like, oh, you have, you've lost it. Yeah, you're a silly bitch. Yeah. Instead of being like, oh, maybe he's talking about some secret document I haven't read. He hasn't.

He's talking about the same shit that's on Project Camelot. Yeah. And it's just as unfounded. It's really disappointing that everything is fucking related to it. Like we do a four episodes about the Sandy Hook investigation and then the very next thing we do is something modern with him and Joe Rogan and we talk about Sandy Hook. And then we're like, let's do a Project Camelot episode. That'll be fun and unrelated to everything.

And then bam, it's right back into Alex Jones shit. Well, some of that is the, the sort of just the foundation of why this show exists. Right. That's fair. When we started this and the reason the Project Camelot is part of our sphere is because there's a low key connection between them. Like it's not like, it's not like that is, it doesn't always come up. No, but it often does.

Yeah. And there is a connection that is really important to people. It is the same sort of, that's why I wish we would have named the show. They're all con men or something like that. Yeah. You know, I wish. Is it too late? It's too late now.

It might be too late. We have a brand. But what like that. It's a longer Twitter handle. That's for sure. Yeah. And that, but that is what it's all about. Like it is that these people are playing with different masks maybe or different

presentations, but they're all doing similar cons in a certain way that is manipulating gullible people into having political positions that are fucked up and are really bad. Like in this episode earlier, she was talking about the, like we're under maritime law. That's trying to encourage people to be sovereign citizenry. Right. And if you are encouraging people to be sovereign citizenry, that's about as hard right as you can get. Well, that's, that's deeply, deeply right.

You know that the word for snake oil in Greek is actually basilisco. So oil. No, that's King. It's off. It's snake oil. Oh, okay. It's office oil. Office oil.

It's office oil. That's a good product line. We're selling office oil. It's going to really do, I don't know, what do you need in the office? It's going to get you through the day. It's going to get you through the day. It's just weed. So that was one, uh, example that's pretty overt about like what Alex is bringing into

the world now. But again, I do think and, and I, much like a Pierre, I can't prove any of this. Oh yeah. But I do think that it's probably partially an intentional plan on Alex's part that he recognizes that these sorts of ideas are really attractive among the communities. He might be able to penetrate. Yeah. These are the Joe's audience.

Yeah. And a lot of the people who are like, uh, maybe even project Camelot listeners who are into these weird ideas. So the idea that like he's mirroring things that you hear here is it at its base is probably just Alex trying to diversify his audience portfolio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you're saying. But at the same time, he is still expressing those things and you hear them mirrored here.

This next clip is a little bit worse because it's Carrie mirroring Alex in a very deep way. So we're also talking about money as being a form of basically as you say indebtedness or being imprisoned by this financial indebtedness. Yeah, and then this is how they rule is through the indebtedness that one is supposed to feel and behave as if and then their control over money as the Rothschilds, of course, the red shields who are hiding the higher levels of the Anunnaki and Illuminati by their services to hide the others, right? Right.

He does agree. Of course. But like that's just like Federal Reserve kind of bullshit with like a little bit better dressing on it. That's the same thing that Alex talked about years and years ago about the idea the Rothschilds were on the world and stuff and there's hidden powers behind them. She's just naming what those hidden powers are and their aliens. Well, that's all that is.

Like Alex says globalists, she says Anunnaki. Yeah. I do remember that both Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders teamed up to audit the aliens. That's true. I recall correctly. That's true. They wanted to audit those worship buckets. And only three senators were aliens at the time that the Federal Reserve was created.

That's true. And that's why they got away with it all. Yeah, that's true. Because the language and the part that I really find the most repulsive out of any of this is like it's all bullshit. But there is an idea that is true behind it and that is the system of debt that exists in the United States is an incredibly abusive system that business interests use to make you incapable of escaping their grasp to a certain extent.

Right. You know, like the that is real. It's not some sort of a nefarious globalist alien plot or anything like that. It's the extension of unchecked capitalism. So much. It's what happens if you can get away with it and you're in a moral company. Why wouldn't you trap people? Why wouldn't you?

You know, it makes the most sense financially. Totally. Yeah. No. So many of these people whenever they fuck what they're going through, whenever they describe all of these problems and then, you know, you come up to them with historical based solutions, you know, whenever people describe, oh, indebtedness is making us all slaves, you know, like all of this stuff.

And then you describe the solutions that are going to help them. They're like sounds like not enough racism. And it sounds like socialism. So I'm going to go with it's probably aliens. If Kerry wanted to be real with the shit, why wouldn't she come into the studio and be like, listen, I've just uncovered a new plot. The reptilians have started payday loans or something like that. Why not?

Because then you could use your services for good. Yeah, something like that. Payday loans are 100% evil. Actually, they're 7000% evil, which is the amount of interest they charge over a short period of time. Don't fucking use whatever narratives you're banding about in order to demonize the Rothschilds, as if that fucking matters. No shit. As if their family's wealth hasn't been diffused over generations like that.

There's a Rothschild who's getting a payday loan right now. Maybe. But like, yeah, use it for some sort of positive thing like that. Why not? Target your fucking audience. The aliens have created private prisons and we need to get rid of it. Bingo. There we go.

We're on the same team. Why not? If you care, why not do that? Well, because you don't care. Not you. I don't know. I think it's because they're trying to attract and they know they're trying to attract. Like, that's hard right-winger.

Whenever we talk about self-awareness for this, even if you're saying that they are on the stupid evil spectrum, you know, where they're more on the stupid side, they're smart enough to know who is going to buy their bullshit. And it's right-wingers. And it's not because right-wingers are intrinsically stupider. It's that whatever language they want, whatever they want their points to be, are more attractive to people on that side.

Of course. Yeah, absolutely. I 100% agree with that. That's, yeah. But I mean, it's something that they would never accept. In the same way that Alex presents like and pretends that he was like, I was above the political divide. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Kerry's like, I'm not into politics. I'm talking about aliens. You're like, all that shit. No, you know. You know damn well that what you do, what you put into the world, is attractive to people who are, I mean, aggressively skeptical, like skeptical past the point of reasonability. And anti-government, which is a hallmark of right-wing extremism.

For sure. So great. Hey, guys. Great work. I'm really proud of all of you. But Jordan, look, I know that your guy loves comic books. And I like comic books. You enjoy comic books.

I like a good graphic novel. You like a hero. I'm not a superhero comic book guy. I don't do superhero comics. I can't do them. But have you ever in your life, when you were a younger man? No, I've never done superhero. Where do you put Swamp Thing on that?

Do you think he's a superhero? Is he his powers? I think Swamp Thing is a tragic representation of the damage that we are doing to the environment. Well, I understand that. But do you think he's a superhero? Because he has powers. I don't think so.

He has powers. Powers don't make you a superhero. You can talk to the green. Dan, so many people could be Spider-Man. It's not about Spider-Man's powers. It's about the choice to be a hero, Dan. Okay. So now that makes me think that you do like Marvel stuff.

And you're just saying that they aren't superheroes. That's what I'm hearing right now. No, I'm saying that we could all be heroes. Just for one day. It doesn't take powers, Dan. It doesn't take powers. Right. I think a lot of that is the sort of thrust

behind a lot of the superhero stories. Yeah, of course. If you engage with the mythology of it. No, I just mean I don't read the serialized comics. Sure. I like the mythology. I only bring that up because we're about, we're going to get into some wild misrepresentations

of heroes, but superheroes in comic books. Oh, okay. I remember the Greek for Iron Man is actually Iron Man. Ferrum Anthropos. 01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:40,320 No, that's Latin and Greek. In Iron Man. That was Latin in it, yeah.

So, Jordan, here comes. We're getting into comic books. Are you ready? I don't know. Well, what's interesting about this, I think this is really fascinating. And that is the- Hold on.

Carrie Shazam. No. Now I am. Okay. Carrie is bringing in stuff that's very familiar to Alex Jones' world, but then trying to bridge the gap with comic book world. Like, it's really insane.

When I heard this clip, I got really troubled in a way that I don't generally with her. You'll see what I mean. But what I want to ask you has to do with the role of 5G, which is the Internet of Things, as you may have followed the information. As well as- The role of 5G is actually something.

That there's a high degree of radiation. Always, it seems, in connection with technology. So even 4G has a lot of radiation, and that this is somehow supposed to be detrimental to humans, and yet at the same time, it's quite possible that this radiation, that mutants, if you follow the X-Men story, and this is all based on a secret space program knowledge,

that if you want to create basically a mutated human, or special powers in a human, get them to expand into their brain that they don't use, etc. What you need to do is to douse them with radiation, or douse the mother with radiation. So this is, in essence, what they are doing now to planet Earth, and people are in a panic over this. Uh, boy.

People are in a panic. Oh, boy. People are in a panic. So what's interesting is that Kerry and Alex are both concerned about 5G technology, but their concern seems slightly different. In as much as Kerry's concerned, it's going to create the X-Men, and that the X-Men-

Is that a concern, or like a bonus? Well, I mean, I think that if you watch any of those movies, you know that some of these mutations can go pretty terribly. Right. You know, there's a lot of devastating effects that come from a magneto or whatever, but also magneto probably wouldn't behave the way he did if people just accepted mutants.

So there's also- It is kind of an allegory. But there are some rogue categories of, uh, you know, just like just completely destructive villains. Yeah, like that guy who was a toad or whatever. That's a destructive toad. Pretty creative. I get it.

I get it. I get it. Do you know- I get it. I get it. Do you know why- I want to say I get it. Do you know why all of those arguments

are easily bullshit? Well, one, because they're incredibly stupid. Right. But- Just on their face. Just on their face. The X-Men is a secret space program, uh, plan. Of course.

Cool. No, that's- that's utterly stupid. But part of the reason that it is such a stupid idea is because those comics started, uh, around the timeline when we understood radiation. Right. So it stands to- Something I was going to bring up a little bit later.

So it stands to reason that were radiation to be capable of creating mutants with higher powers, it would have happened 70 fucking years ago. Radiation was like a sensational topic in the early 60s, late 50s, when a lot of these comic books were starting to be created and it became a MacGuffin. It just became like a storytelling device. You can't actually create-

That was super easy. Yeah. In order to tell these stories that, I mean, with the X-Men, if you really want to get into that, it's about people who are different, not being accepted by humanity as a whole, and some people responding poorly to that, and some people trying to heal the sism or whatever.

That's the idea. That's the metaphor of the X-Men. Yeah. That you can tell 100 different stories with, and they have done way more than 100. Well, I mean, when you look at what, I don't remember, is it the first or the second X-Men? There was an entire coming out allegory there of,

like, this is the gay experience of coming out, and I remember that line. There was one line that I thought justified literally the entire X-Men series whenever somebody comes out to their mother as an X-Men, and she goes, have you tried not being a mutant? And you're like, that is the fucking line. Yeah, I mean, there's that in the movies,

and then the, like, I don't know necessarily if it was intended to be any specific group that is othered or anything like that, but you read those early X-Men comics, that's what it's about. It's about groups that are marginalized, needing to find each other, to help each other exist in the world where people don't understand them.

So, like, for her to be like, that's a secret space program kind of thing where you get radiation into people, and then you create these mutants, and that's what they, because that implies to me that that's something that she's had in her mind for a while, that like, hey, we should be pretty concerned about the idea that they're making 4G,

not even just 5G, 4G technology, is just to flood women with radiation so they give super babies out. Do you know how you can definitively prove that that's stupid? Is because... Any test with radiation? Well, not just that, but historically.

In the 1950s, whenever radiation was this new cool fucking thing, they used to put it in goddamn toothpaste so your teeth would glow, and you then lost all your teeth! You didn't get superpowers! Another good... You just lost all your teeth!

Another good argument is General Stubblebine who tried to create superpowers in people and failed miserably, but Alex thinks that's a whitewash. Wow, there were so many times where they would do these military tests where they would set off a nuclear bomb, and they would have these...

And oh, oh, yeah! I know what you're gonna say. What? Bunch of soldiers got superpowers. No! Instead, they did this training exercise where they walked through the debris that was left over to see whether or not they were visible,

and what if we could set off a nuclear bomb, and then we could use that also as a cloaking technique, and those guys did not get superpowers. Bullshit. Instead, they died of cancer. Bullshit. That is how that went. Bullshit.

Yeah, so it's not superpowers, it's cancer. It turns out the carry is operating under a, I don't know, 70-year-old fantasy understanding of what radiation does to people. Exactly, exactly. That's nuts. Well, hold on, hold on, Dan. Sure, maybe it kills 99.9% of people

who get exposed to too much radiation, but what about that 0.01%, Dan? They're all in bunkers having their secret abilities tested right now. That sounds right. It's all off the books. Sounds right. Sure.

So in the... I would say in terms of a conspiracy that you can't prove, I would find whatever. I'll take that as like a side thing. X-Men? Well, no, because that I... Yep. If you want to tell me that...

I'll say I reject it first. The whole clock. First. Okay. But if you tell me that 99.9% of people who are exposed to tons and tons of radiation get cancer and it's a horrible, debilitating thing... Right.

And then that tiny 1, like 0.001% or whatever, gets superpowers and the government's testing them in a lab, I'm going to tell you I can't disprove that. I don't think it's true. Right. My gut says no and I'll wait until there's any evidence of that to say it is true. But Carrie is a bad representative to make this argument

because what she says in this next clip made me laugh so fucking hard. This is true. Put your mic down. Okay. Because it goes back to Marvel and Carrie has some news about Marvel that is actually news from 1962. We got the Dark Phoenix trailer. Is that what she's going to talk about?

No. You wish. I wish. This is news from 1962. I do remember the TV service, The Incredible Hulk, and The Incredible Hulk turned into the Hulk due to this high level of gamma radiation which altered his DNA. Well, I have recently also found that the Spiderman was also bit

by a radioactive spider. This is very key because this is where they are going. She's recently. She's fucking me. She's fucking with me, right? She is fucking with all of us. That is bullshit. There's no way.

She is fucking with us. She has recently found out that the Spiderman was bit by a radioactive spider. No. No. That one. No, I don't buy that at all. She has recently found out. She just winked at us.

She just winked at all of us. She just took a, she, that was a, that was a mug to the camera. I don't think so. That was a, what the fuck from SNL who does the mugging? I don't think it was. No way. It's crazy. Look, I just found out that the Spiderman was bit by a radioactive spider.

A essential plot point of this character who's existed, like I said, since 1962 in comic books and has, I don't know, 20 movies have come out in the last 10 years. Here is, here is. There's so many Spiderman movies. If she's talking about that. They've got the origin story like five times. If she's talking about that now, specifically, this is recent, right?

This came out like a week ago. Okay. So do you know what else came out very recently? The Dark Phoenix trailer. No. Oh. Oh, into the Spider-Verse. Into the Spider-Verse.

Got a best, it got an Oscar. Exactly. Yeah. And do you know why? It is amazing. It is so good. I haven't seen it, but the trailer made me want to see it. You should see it.

It's fucking fantastic. Very rare that a trailer makes me want to see a movie. Also, I should say the part of it is because I know that Nicholas Cage is one of the voices. Oh man. I mean, you have no idea. It's so good. Nicholas Cage. So good.

Nicholas Cage coming in to do that movie. That's a good sign. That's Nicholas Cage. Yeah. So Carrie has found out that the Spiderman has been bit by a radioactive spider. It's about time. I can't stress how crazy that is. She can't possibly.

No, she had to have been fucking with us. No. Because when I heard that clip, I was like, all right, I get it. If he's talking about how the Hulk, the Incredible Hulk, he becomes. Also from the 70s. Maybe the Lou Ferrigno version. Yeah, exactly. He's talking about the Lou Ferrigno TV series.

It's possible. Like, I don't know of another TV series. There have been movies. There have not been another TV series. But like. He's talking about Lou Ferrigno. So he's bringing that into the conversation. Yeah, there's been cartoons.

He's brought that into the conversation. And so Carrie coming in with like, also, Spiderman was bit by a radioactive spider. I'd be like, you're just adding to the conversation. Right. When she said recently. Recently found out that's disturbing. Recently. That's what I'm saying.

She's fucking with us. That's an unacceptable word to be in the conversation. She has to have been fucking with us. There's no way I will buy that. Not even. Look, she at the very least, she's a human being in 2019. She knows about the fucking Spiderman. There have been countless trailers.

Not even. She doesn't even need to see the movie. Just the trailer for movies where Spiderman was bit by a radioactive spider. The Toby McGuire ones in the trailers definitely had him getting bit by a spider. Definitely. 100%. 100%. I remember that very clearly.

No way does she had. The first one came out in 2001. And I only remember that because I worked at a movie theater back. Right. And there were trailers for it that had the twin towers in it. That got recalled. Oh yeah. Because he spun a web between the twin towers that caught an enemy helicopter in it.

That's fucking crazy. Yeah. And so they had to be recalled. Yeah. We had these people who came and reacquired all of the trailers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. No, no, don't ever show that.

That sort of thing. Right. No, that's what happened to the first Strokes album. Is this it? It came out on 9-11. And they had to recall all of them because it's so many references to the twin towers. Too many songs about the towers. So it's been, I don't know.

Let me look at my clock, 18 years since the first like big Spider-Man movie came out. And even before that, there was the amazing Spider-Man cartoon all the way back in. Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. He was, she was fucking with us. No, no, no, this is too far. She recently found out. This is too far.

This is too far. This is too far. No, no, no, no. Unacceptable. It is unacceptable. Unacceptable. No matter what the argument is, it's unacceptable. I'm not sure what it is, but it's unacceptable.

That is impossible. That is impossible. It's crazy. But not even that. Not even, here's why that is 100% impossible. This is not the first conspiracy douchebag to talk about Marvel characters and radiation. And she's gone to so many of these conferences, so many of these paranormal bullshit. Sooner or later, in her, you know, 20 year career of being a conspiracy theorist lunatic,

somebody must have been at a panel and have been like, mutants are created. It's just like in Spider-Man. They're trying to externalize the shit by fighting these comic books. She's fucking with us. She's fucking with us. No. But she never brings that up. And she is now.

And I think that's crazy. I think there's one possibility she's fucking with us. And if so, well done, Carrie. Because well done, Carrie. Because hinges on one word. It hinges on recent. Recently. That's crazy.

Yeah. The rest, if she just said that, I'd be like, let's laugh at this or whatever. Play your clip one more time. But the recently is so fucked up. I need to hear this one more time. Can I do it for sure? I really need to know if she's fucking with me. I do remember the TV series, The Incredible Hulk, and The Incredible Hulk turned into the

Hulk due to this high level of gamma radiation, which altered his DNA. Well, I have recently also found that the Spider-Man was also bit by a radioactive spider. This is very key because this is where they are going. She is so deadpan. It's hard to tell. She has to be fucking with us, but that sounds real. She is Phil Hartman.

She is Phil Hartman level straight manning right now. The Incredible Hulk also didn't turn into the Hulk because of radiation. He turned into the Hulk when he became angry because of something that happened with radiation. He doesn't become the Hulk because of the radiation. I understand that that's the root of it, but it's when he gets angry, he turns into the Hulk. He's Bruce Banner or David Banner, depending on when the time frame was. Depending on our Phrygno levels.

I don't know how she's not fucking with us. The more I listen to this, the more I think I like the idea that she's fucking with us. And if it is, like I said, well, well played, Kerry. Second, if she's so deadpan, if she's not, which I don't think she is, I think it is probably what you were speculating that is that into the spider verse came out. Oh, for sure. And it's a more diverse version of Spider-Man fantastic that I think that people

end up have been attacking much more from the right in the same way that when Ghostbusters is a good point. Holy shit. I didn't even think about that everyone on the right was super attacking it. And they're like, fuck this. I hate this noise. Right. And so the idea of like into the spider verse being a movie that came out with a black

Spider-Man Miles Morales, man. And then a bunch of other Spider-Man, a woman Spider-Man and Spider-Gwen. Right. But so there's all that. And of course, John Mulaney is perfect. Spider Pig. Spider Pig. Peter Porker.

And then my man, Nick Cage. Nick Cage is 1930s Spider-Man, Spider Noir or whatever it is. But so there is a diverse idea of that identity of Spider-Man or whatever. And it's entirely possible that just there was so much right wing backlash to it. And that's the stuff that she sees online that she became aware of it. Well, there's also the multiverse theory in into the spider verse. So that may be one of the reasons that it penetrated into her bullshit consciousness. I mean, maybe, but I think I think the bigotry is a much more likely option.

Right. No, no, of course. Why are you? Of course. Why is this now stuck in your craw? It's been 80 years almost since Spider-Man came out. Like it's been a long fucking time. Oh, God.

I don't know. No, not 80 years, 70-ish. 02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:48,640 It's been a long time. I think 62. Well, do you know what I just recently found out? Superman is an alien. He's not even from here.

You know what I recently found out? What? Found out this Batman guy. He wouldn't fight crime if his parents weren't murdered. No, shit. Yeah. Oh, shit. God damn it.

Do you know what I do? So I think that the globalists or the reptilians want to murder people's parents in order to make them vigilantes. Right. Did you know? Here's what I just recently found out. This goblin character. Oh, no.

His whole thing is that he's green. It's bananas. He's the green goblin. You know what I just found out? I thought he was just a regular goblin. You know what I just found out? What? There's this undersea guy.

We can do this bit for an hour. We can talk to fish. I honestly, I'm not sure if I'm going to go with Aquaman or Namor at this point. Do you know what's crazy? What's up? I watched the Aquaman movie, the most recent one with Jason Momoa. No, it has really negative consequences that nobody deals with during the show. There's this massive undersea war about whatever it is, right?

And Jason Momoa, Aquaman, can communicate with all of the animals or whatever, but it is not presented as communication so much as it is mind control. So what Jason Momoa does is create an army of slaves and nobody ever talks about that. That is wrong, Dan. I don't disagree. Don't disagree. Aquaman is a slaver. I don't know.

I just recently found out that these guys are really good at driving cars and it's spiraled out of control. How fast was it? Being involved in basically espionage. Was there an X? These guys are so good at driving cars. I almost thought you were talking about speed racer. Nope, talking about fast and furious, but I lost the thread.

Don't know how to do this because there's no actual superpowers. And tell Hobbs and Shaw, which is coming out. I can't wait for it. They're absolutely superpowers. Which are the complete inability to die regardless of any sort of circumstances. They do seem to have that Wolverine style regenerative. They take the main character shield to a ridiculous degree, which I appreciate. Anyway, fast and furious is better than Spider-Man.

You haven't seen into the Spider-Verse. It's actually really great. It's actually really great. I'll still die on that hill that fast and furious is better than all other franchises of all time. Anyway, Harry has recently found out about Spider-Man. We've taken way too long to talk about that because it's the craziest bullshit in the world. It's nonsense. That is insane.

So we come to the end of this episode, Jordan. And what we have is in front of us a tableau of like just someone who doesn't understand linguistics pretending he's a linguistics expert, which is fun. I think that Robert Temple stuff is really fun. And I always enjoy that sort of conversation. So we got to talk about that. Then this, this at the end, the confluence of the Alexi narratives, whether it's the sovereign citizenship, whether it's the Rothschild banking nonsense,

whether it's the ideas of like 5G being dangerous. Yeah. Like it's, it's very similar. These worlds are similar. For sure. The way they're not similar is that Alex is concerned about 5G as trying to give people cancer. Harry is concerned. It's going to create the X-Men and she has recently found out about Spider-Man, which is nuts.

That is nuts. It's nuts. And I love it. That's why we talk about this. I don't, I don't like it. That's why we talk about this. I don't like it that Alex has a literal reasonable position in terms of radiation causing cancer.

Well, it's a little bit exaggerated, but it's, it's, it has a base in reasonable. It is bananas exaggerated, but the idea of radiation causing cancer makes sense. It's fair. Yeah. Whereas radiation creating the X-Men, not fair. The idea that you don't know this, but I can't get over that. Anyway, Carrie, if you're trolling us, good job. Good on you.

Good on you. Um, but we'll be back. Carrie is the Eddie Bravo of this episode. Yeah. We needed a break from some reality based stuff. And so I, I'm glad we, we took this diversion. It's weird for us to do this on a Monday, but that's what it is. We've had a long string of a, you know, everybody needed a wacky Wednesday on a Monday.

We needed a breath. We all did. A little bit of a pause. We all needed it. Yeah. But we'll be back with another episode on Wednesday, but also, um, I did an interview with a gentleman, Brad, uh, he has a podcast called the Cosmic Geppetto podcast. Okay.

Which everyone should go check out. I believe there's actually even, I think he posted a link to it in our group, uh, on Facebook. I'm not good at, That's cool. Shit. I'm not good at promotion or repromotion or anything like that. I think our entire careers have proved that. Yeah, absolutely.

But you can find it Cosmic Geppetto. It was a good time. I really enjoyed talking to him. And, uh, I mean, if you listen to this podcast pretty regularly, I don't think that we talk about all that much that's new, but it was still a fine, it was a great conversation. So check it out. Good. Um, everybody do that.

Beyond that. For my plugs, for my plugs, if you would like to see me do stand up, just start going to a lot of stand up shows and then maybe sometime you'll see me. That's pretty much, those are my plugs. Randomness plugs. This is why we are bad at promotion. Chaos plugs. Um, but we have a website, knowledgefight.com where you can find all kinds of information

about our show and. Indeed, you can. Dan, do we have a Twitter account? We do. It's knowledge underscore fight. We're also on iTunes. You can find that review, subscribe, rate, all that good stuff. But a look, Pierre has murdered the English language.

I will say that. I don't think he's murdered the English language. He's murdered all languages. All languages. Yeah, he's, he has. Rocked devastation upon, uh, linguistics as a form. Study, but he's never murdered anybody. And I appreciate that on some levels because there's one guy, uh, he killed a guy.

Spider-man. Technic. Nope. Okay. Maybe probably. I don't know. Probably. I bet he has.

Technically. Yeah, but he doesn't, he doesn't exist. So that's true. That's, that's a big issue. Although the government's working on it apparently. One of these days, but for now, one guy has probably technically murdered a guy. And that's Alex Jones. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.