Knowledge Fight - #283: January 4-6, 2013

Episode Date: April 12, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan have had enough of 2019 Alex Jones for this week, so they retreat to the past to continue their investigation into Alex's behavior in the aftermath of Sandy Hook. In this installment, the gents meet a truly insane small town police chief and find Alex coming off really petty about media bookings.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around, check novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan. Dan! Jordan. Who you got? Pyramids or Sphinx? What are you talking about? What do you choose? What's your, what's better?

What the fuck are you talking about? What do you prefer? What are you talking about? It's a crazy question. It is. I'm trying all kinds of, we're doing bracket questions from now on. Sphinx. I've got a whole two, you're going to go with Sphinx?

It's shaped like a cat, which is great. I love cats. Pyramids just a geometric shape. This question infuriates you. Well, I mean, it's a nonsensical question. That's part of the reason. Well, I'm going through all the Egyptian landmarks. That's the next eight episodes is just, we're going to figure out, we're going to rank it.

All right. We got that river. What's the name of it? The Nile. Yeah, that one. Okay. How do you feel about that one? I like it.

All right. Very wet. Yeah. Yeah. What about those? There's probably some other pyramids. Oh, okay. You want to try some of those?

What? You mean like in other parts of the world or other ones that are in Egypt? I don't know. Like ones in Memphis or something like that? Do you have a choice? Okay. This is going to go great. We're really excited for this April madness.

No, that was as good as I got. All right. Well, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. Let's get away from this. I was having fun. The true irony of this is this is the only time I've ever seen you writing down on your notepad before the show started. And I asked you, what are you doing?

You said, coming up with a good question. Oh, I did not say good question. Fair enough. I said, coming up with a question. And that's what you came up with. That's what the best I got somehow. Oh boy. So Jordan, today we're going to be going over an episode or two, going over two episodes.

I needed to get away from the present day because that was, it's been a lot. It's been two. The last episode was a little bit too heavy. Need to give Alex a little bit of time out, put him in time out. Yep. So today we're going back to 2013 to continue our Sandy Hook after math investigation. We'll be going over January 4th and 6th of 2013. And that is because it's a Friday and a Sunday show on Saturday.

Right. But a lot of people probably are going to be listening to this on Friday and asking, Hey, Dan, what about how Alex Jones is on his LA tour through podcasts? I don't want to, we may cover some of it, but because of the timing of these episodes having to record on Thursday, didn't have enough time to get into some of the more recent releases may do that for next week. Also, people might be asking, what does Alex have to say about Julian Assange getting arrested?

Of course. I don't know yet. We're recording this on Thursday. I don't know. We don't have enough time to do that quick of a turnaround, but we may know that for you on Monday. It's possible. I don't even know if Alex is back in studio from Los Angeles yet.

Genuinely have no idea where he's going to land on Assange. Also, I think it could be bad for Trump, quite frankly, because Alex has been perpetuating the idea that Trump is supportive of Assange. Right. And if he extradites Assange back and throws him in a hole or something like that, that's really going to hurt Alex's Trump narratives, I think. Yeah. And journalism in general.

Well, yeah. I think it has the potential to really derail Alex and Trump's alliance, but we'll see. Trump doesn't even know anything about Assange. He's never even heard of the WikiLeaks before. What are WikiLeaks? I don't know. I like that gaslighting. Yeah.

That's a swing for the fences on that one. It's pretty impressive. Yeah. So we'll see. Maybe that'll be in next week. We'll find out. But for now, we will jump into this episode. But before we do, we got to take a little bit of time to say thank you to some people

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Oh yeah. Oh, what about you? Every single thing you say is yelling. Fair enough. How about that? Fair enough. You know, don't, don't just critique yourself for that. One time.

Yeah. One time. Maybe every word that comes out of your mouth is at least six decibels higher than a normal human. Apologies. Thank you. I'll do my best to NPR it. Yes.

That's right. I think that's a good idea. Okay. This is going to get more annoying. So Jordan, like I said, today we're doing January 4th and 6th. At this point, Alex has been pretty clear that Sandy Hook is a false flag, but it's in the sense that the government did it. Right.

He's still saying that the kids were killed and all that stuff, but the government went in, killed Adam Lanza as a patsy, left him there, all that stuff. Sure. That's sort of where he's at, but he doesn't really care all that much about it because he's now saying that the government and the globalists are going to use that as a way to take everyone's guns intentionally to start a civil war. So now everyone's up to speed pretty much with where we're at as we jump in on the 4th. I wonder if we're going to see a development of that theme or maybe we're not.

Here's an out of context wrap from today's show. You're not going to get our guns, Russians. You understand that, Vladimir Putin? You're not going to destroy America. You understand that? He who laughs last laughs best. I don't know. I think Vladimir won.

Alex is really mad at Vladimir Putin trying to take his guns. What is going on? I don't know. This show is so weird. Why is Vlad taking his guns? I don't know. I thought it was a civil war we were angling for. I don't know.

Alex has been very consistently pro Russia and Vladimir Putin in almost everything that we've ever heard on this show, pretty much almost every era except Y2K that we've heard he's been pretty strongly in favor of Russia. But today, on January 4th, Alex has a bee in his bonnet about Russia. Weird. Sure. So here's where it starts out on the episode and actually starts out on this theme. So that's pretty convenient.

I mean, RT really, I saw a video that they did yesterday really trying to defame me and it was just so pathetic. I don't know if I'll respond to it. I mean, they know we have a bigger audience domestically than they do. This was an attempt at that. But RT the last eight months has really taken a turn towards authoritarianism and is shameful. It's shameful. Just the last few, though.

Yeah. That's weird. They were riding on a different tip for a while. Yeah. Things have changed. So in a turn that I bet no one was expecting, Alex is temporarily very mad at RT, the entire country of Russia and Vladimir Putin in this episode. Alex really isn't specific about what he's complaining about.

He said they ran a piece that was defaming him. I can't find this. I don't know what he's talking about. So I'm kind of left out in the woods here trying to put the pieces together. My guess, if I had to speculate, is that Alex feels betrayed that RT isn't screaming bloody murder about the prospect of the introduction of gun legislation in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting. It makes some sense for him to feel that way.

If you go back and look over RT America's videos from the era of 2010 to 2012, the network is lousy with Alex's friends and narratives being amplified. Webster Tarpley, Gerald Solenti, Adam Kokish, Paul Craig Roberts, Peter Schiff, Wayne Madsen and Alex himself are super frequent guests on the network and the messages they propagate on the network are the same as the ones expressed on Infowars. Looking over this archive, it doesn't seem all that weird to imagine that Alex thought this network was a true ally of his and it could lead him to feel and cast aside when he feels like they aren't joining him in this battle, which he's built up as being

the thing that will lead to the end of American civilization. You could feel like it's possible there's going to be a little bit of rejection there. I guess. I mean, RT not at the absence of RT doing something seems weirder in terms of him like suddenly lashing out. It does. I'm sort of speculating what emotional trigger could be there and that's I just think that's a piece of it.

It's possible. RT is his metaphorical mother kicking off, kicking him off her lap at six. Possibly. RT's reporting on Sandy Hook started out just as sloppy as Alex's but with a little less paranoia on December 14th, the day of the shooting, RT's Liz Wall, who's from the Connecticut area, reported, quote, I just got off the phone with my mom. She has some friends whose children go to that very school just picked up the children. There's a lot of information.

What they're hearing, my mom says, is this guy, the gunman worked at the school and was fired this morning. One of the victims was his mother, who was a kindergarten teacher and shot open fire on the kids in the classroom. Not the implying that the mother shot the kids. Yeah. You understand. Yeah.

None of that is true. Adam Lanza did not work at the school. Nancy Lanza was not a kindergarten teacher. She'd worked in insurance but wasn't employed at least since her divorce. As her sister, Marcia said, quote, she didn't have to work because my brother-in-law left her very well off, very well off. To which she replied, Marcia, Marcia, Marcia. She's doing really well if her sister had to repeat very well off twice in an interview.

That means she is making bucky bucks from that divorce. The day of the shooting, RT was reporting outright gossip that wasn't true at all about the tragedy, which is not cool. Within a week, however, Liz Wall started reporting on how suspicious it was that the NRA hadn't made a comment publicly or tweeted in the days after the shooting. She did a piece on December 18th about the idea that it's possible that the NRA wasn't as powerful as everyone thinks, pointing out that in the 2012 election, over 10.5 million dollars, the NRA spent only 0.83% of that money actually went towards successful outcomes,

either supporting a candidate who won or opposing a candidate who lost. I don't know if that's accurate as a statistic, but it's what she was reporting. So that's what I'll tell you. Not entirely sure. I mean, the exact number doesn't really mean much compared to just they're ineffective. I mean, that's the message that she's trying to get out. It's easy to interpret that messaging as being, hey, don't worry about these loud assholes. Their bark is worse than their bite.

Go ahead. Right. Do the progress you need. Don't worry about the gun control. Yeah. The fight that these people are threatening. But that interpretation would be bullshit as saying that that's indicative of what RT was putting out.

On December 19th, RT America aired an interview with Jim Stashowak. Stashowak. I mean, he has a weird name to pronounce. They interviewed him about how gun control wouldn't be effective and his tyranny. They credited Jim as a quote constitutionalist and freedom advocate. In reality, Jim is a fucking lunatic who has posted videos of himself online ranting about how immigrants are quote invaders, parasites and vermin than burning a Mexican flag. He's posted videos where he literally advocates shooting black lives matter protesters in

the back on site and displays for the camera a bullet with BLM written on it. He posted a video of himself outside of mosque in Augusta, Georgia with a gun yelling death to Islam. He's literally told his followers quote, if someone is a member of Antifa people, it's time to be lone wolves and retaliate against this attack, retaliate as a lone wolf. Before this appearance on RT, he had already been arrested multiple times and was on the Southern Poverty Law Center's list of dangerous members of the Patriot movement due to his involvement with the American resistance movement and the Georgia civilian militia, as well

as his deeply bigoted radio shows that tended towards incitement towards violence in his listeners. RT had every reason to know who this fucking nutcase was and yet in the aftermath of Sandy Hook, they had him on as a guest to be a voice against gun legislation. On December 18th, Abby Martin did a segment on her show breaking the set about how the media was sensationalizing and exploiting the shooting, something that Alex agrees with entirely and has expressed as much on his program. RT correspondent Anastasia Cherkina laments that the media got so many details wrong about

the shooting and their reporting, which is kind of funny because the other guest on the show is Liz Wall, the same person who four days earlier said on RT that lands are worked at the school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one sounds right. Oh, and then on December 19th, RT interviewed Alex's good buddy, Paul Craig Roberts, where he espoused the belief that the government needs to, uh, needs to take the guns away so they can fully bring in a police state. At the end of the interview, he even suggests that Sandy Hook may not have been real.

As he says of the shooting, quote, these events, whether real or not real are simply helpful to take away the guns. Uh, that's a take. It is. That's a take right there. RT ran pieces that covered the outcry of Americans who wanted tighter gun laws in the aftermath of the shooting. And they also allowed dangerous, crazy assholes to regurgitate their bullshit on the airwaves

too. I suspect that Alex must have just seen one of the first sort of pieces, you know, the kind that are expressing like, Oh, a lot of Americans are calling for gun control. Yeah. Yeah. And he just got really mad about it. Also, this is probably worth noting at this point, uh, at this point in time, Alex hasn't been a guest on RT since May 2012.

So he may just be feeling a little bit left out. This doesn't seem like, or this seems like the kind of behavior that we saw from him recently with Joe Rogan. I was about to say that. Exactly. Where he lashed out, got a little bit like an angry baby in order to get the attention he felt he deserved and wasn't getting. This seems to have worked out in this case just as well as it did with Rogan because

on just, uh, January 22nd, 2013, Alex returned to RT on his buddy's, uh, Max Kaiser's show. This isn't about geopolitics. It's not about gun rights. It's not even about free speech. It's 100% about Alex's ego. That's all he's expressing here. He always gets his way. He needs to lose these lawsuits so bad.

I'm sick of him getting his way for by acting like a child. Yeah. It's super weird. Oh, that's so, uh, so in this next clip, uh, Alex talks about how the globalist wants civil war, which we know is a position that he has. And then he implies that he knew that Sandy Hook was going to happen before it happened. Oh, the globalist won a civil war. They want police and military to be killed trying to confiscate our firearms.

And remember, oh, Alex, you're a fair monger. They'll never try to get our guns. And I said, you watch. There's going to be mass shootings. There's going to be false flags a month before Sandy Hook. I said, this is the season. Get ready. I'm seeing them roll out the propaganda now beforehand.

So all that, I mean, that's not totally new. You're saying it's new. It's not really accurate because he has suggested similar things in the past. Right. I thought you meant more specifically that he knew that. Well, we know he's a psychic. Right. That's true.

Well, why didn't you know that? That's a good question. Um, all that is, all that does, all that serves to do is to suggest that it was fake. That is all like, I know is coming all the predictive markers were there and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. It's the safest prediction in America, saying that there'll be another mass shooting sometime soon.

And to be fair, in early 2013, it's probably a bolder prediction than it is now, but still not that bold, not that bold, uh, uh, man, it's, it's like he like, here's, here's the way that I, I view what he's doing right now. He is, uh, playing his, his game of like, no matter what happens, I have my ass covered on it being fake. Like you, I predicted this. It's fake. You know it.

If it comes out that something is wrong, it's fake. I told you, if it comes out that it didn't even happen, see, I told you that it was a false flag. No matter what happens, he gets to say, I told you so. Right. Right. Uh, without actually saying anything. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. He's cool that way. Sure. So, uh, at this point in the episode, uh, Alex brings in, uh, you know, he continues his trend of having gun weirdos on his show, uh, to, to agitate and make people afraid, uh, that their guns are going to be taken away and, uh, you know, his bench apparently

isn't that deep because Larry Pratt is back again from gun owners for America. Um, and this next clip is just so fucked up just as a way of thinking because what they do is they take the memory of someone who died heroically in Sandy Hook and then try and rewrite her actions as being like, what if she had a gun? Wouldn't that have been great? That sort of thing. Oh no. They're not doing that.

They are. This is where that's fucked up. It's pretty gross. Look at what that one brave woman did. I guess she was the teacher of Victoria Soto. She had the presence of mind to, to hide away the kids and then she was out, uh, running where she became a target. Why not have her have a gun for goodness sake?

Oh, imagine what she would have done. The presence of mind to use it. Oh, if only she had an opportunity to kill a human being. That's gross. That's really bad. That's, that's, I, I, what? It's pretty disrespectful to her memory and it's even more cowardly that they're like couching it with like, like praise for her, you know, being like, oh, she's such a hero,

but what if she had a gun? Oh man, what if Martin Luther King Jr. had a gun? Oh man. What if JFK could have turned around and shot back? Right. Huh? How about that? Think about that.

What if Lincoln had, what? Now we don't want to know. Bring it. Yeah. He had it coming. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think there's really even much commentary needed for that as opposed

to just like, look at that. Yeah. Look at these fucked up gun weirdos. So Alex, one of the, look at that stain on the wall. It is gross. Yeah. So one of the things that Alex is trying to do, and he has been doing pretty consistently throughout this entire period since, you know, he sort of focused a little bit on his

position on Sandy Hook for a couple of days and then since then has been just like this gun paranoia. Yeah. And in that entire time, one of the things that he's used to defend himself and be like, this isn't crazy for me to be going down these roads is the idea that there were bills being introduced in order to take away people's guns. Now in order for this argument to work in any way, there have to be at least the perception these bills are a credible threat to your gun ownership rights.

Right? I mean, like, if you know that there's no chance these things are going to pass, you don't really have a good foot to stand on to stoke fears, right? I mean, that's kind of a rational way to look at it. I suppose, but then the argument back against that would be if you're not, if you get complacent and you aren't constantly fighting back against this, then it might pass without anybody's, you know, you think there's no way that it's going to pass. But if you don't keep talking about it, maybe they'll do it when you're only three people

voted for the Federal Reserve, Dan. Alex is going to say that later. Of course he is. But now my response to that, not the Federal Reserve parks, it's bullshit, but my response to that is like, yes, talk about it, but you can't spread fear about it as effectively. Right. You're sort of impending panic and like, this is the end of the world. It's coming now.

If it doesn't work, if you think like this is impotent bullshit, you don't need to be worried about it, but let's stay vigilant. You know, like that it doesn't work. Propaganda doesn't work with ambivalence. Right. And so that's why it's funny that even Larry Pratt knows that these bills are never going to pass. What do you expect them to try to do, not just with her bill, but others?

What's the timeframe? Obama said yesterday, his priority is open borders and gutting the Second Amendment. He did say that. What's your battle plan? There's a bunch of Anti-Second Amendment bills and I don't expect them to be successfully pursued either in the Senate or the House. Okay. Well, then there isn't a real threat.

That's all that. Yep. All right, guys. Let's pack it up. Good luck. Alex sort of just been like, oh, okay, then you're done. Get off my show. I don't know.

I need you to say the opposite of that. Yeah. That's why you come on my show. Did you hear me just in two words lie about Obama three million times? Come on. Yeah, absolutely. He's for open borders and gutting the Second Amendment. I didn't even think of that.

That was muscle memory. Speaking of Obama, it turns out that one of the reasons, I believe what I suggested at the beginning of this episode is probably a large part of why Alex is mad at RT by extension Russia. But Alex presents a second explanation in this next clip. And the reason that I don't take it as really what's going on is it's absolutely not indicative of reality. It's just that I'm not criticizing RT now because I haven't been on there in eight months.

Yes, you are. Because some people are like, oh, you know, Alex, you go on RT. You must work for Putin. And I'm like, no, it is state run, state funded. But they don't control what I say. I'll go on there and talk about foreign banks taking the U.S. over. But something changed eight months ago, and it's now come out in the EU, as in the news last week.

Herman von Roompi, one of the heads of the EU, the head of the Commission, has been in meetings with Putin and others. And they're going to merge the European Union as a new Soviet. And even the president of the Czech Republic has said this, but it's now official. With the old USSR, and they're putting the hammers and sickles back on the tanks, the old timers were right. Russia played possum. And so there were different policies just a year ago.

Now it is full bore, merged with Obama, the authoritarians uniting against our Second Amendment. And I find it outrageous. It's completely crazy, because there's a couple reasons. One is that in 2012, that was when Putin re-ascended to the presidency. And so Alex saying in January 2013 that a year ago there were different policies, well I mean in the sense that Medvedev was president, and Obama, they were trying to do the reset of relations and stuff like that, Obama and Putin had a much different relationship.

It was much more standoffish and hostile. And then you've got to consider that in December 2012, that's when the Magnitsky Act was put in place that sanctioned a bunch of, it was not good between Obama and Russia in the time period that Alex is talking about right now. Yeah, and the way Russia's economy was going, they really couldn't even afford that much red paint to put all those hammer and sickles back on the tanks, man. You put it on the new ones. You don't need a retrofit.

I mean, there was tensions over Syria that were brewing at that time. Obama and Russia did not see eye to eye in the least. The idea that Alex is trying to suggest this means to me that the truth is something else entirely. And the easiest explanation is that I'm not on RT anymore. Yeah, and isn't by... And RT is giving nuanced coverage of the gun issue, and I thought they were on my team and I fucking pissed off about it.

Yeah. Well, also they haven't put me on it for eight months. Well, that's part of it. He typically knows eight months. That's part of it. Right. Well, but I mean, do you remember in the first clip he said the last eight months they've turned authoritarian?

Yep. It's been eight months since I've been on? Yep. What a coincidence. Isn't he also, isn't he tacitly admitting that RT is an arm of the Putin propaganda machine by saying that? I mean, he is, but... Or insinuating it at least?

He is, but he goes into it in a longer part of the episode that I just didn't keep in, but I'm more than willing to explain. And that is that he says that, like, yeah, go on all these state-run media stuff. I don't care. I'm not doing it where they are giving me a message. They're putting out my message. Right. And so if he believes that that's the case and that's the way he interacts with it,

I don't really care. I mean, because it is possible to go on a state-run media organization and not be carrying water for that state or whatever. Yeah. And that is simplistic as like, if you're on there, you're a Putin stooge. No, no, no, for sure. So Alex going on like Iranian state TV or any of that, it doesn't... I don't know.

Yeah, but you just have to connect to the fact that if a state-run TV operation has you on, there's a reason that they have you on. You may be putting out your message, but that message aligns with whatever their goals are at that given point in time. But I mean, as I was going through the archives of RT's, stuff from that when, you know, it's just crawling with info wars guests, it also like Sage Francis did an interview with them and Sam Cedar did a couple interviews and to live quality, you know, like, so there's a lot of people that like, even if they are asking because your beliefs line up in some

way with the message they want to put forth, that doesn't always mean it's nefarious. I'm not saying that either. Sure. I'm just saying that whenever he says specifically, I go on there and say my own message, they don't control anything I say. He's definitely leaving out the part of like, there's a reason they're having me on specifically and not, you know. Very well, maybe.

Yeah. So in this next clip, we see Alex, so we're only in early January 2013, we're less than a month after the shooting in Sandy Hook and you can already tell that Alex is getting a little bit defensive about what he's doing. Like there's been no real pushback, at least appearing on the show. Yeah. You know, he's not complaining about anybody saying he's out of line or anything like that. His callers are if anything, more rabid, yeah, yeah, but he's, you can see hints of

defensiveness here. And that's awesome. More of the foreign media going conspiracy theorist say that, you know, there were multiple shooters. Media always reports multiple shooters because little kids were seeing, you know, people and making the reports. No, we've aired the newscast. It was helicopters and footage and surveillance cameras of multiple guys in camo arrested

out in the woods. It wasn't little kids filing these reports. There's video of it. And they said he had an AR-15 M4 inside and it was in the car. But those are all misreportings. Yeah. He's already sort of internalizing some sort of critique that he's using shit sources to tell the stories that he's telling.

And he's like, no, it's all the real media and stuff like that. I mean, there are people who misreported based on possibly the root of it was that RT report, but it could have come from other places. The idea that the shooter worked at the school and stuff like that, that is something that went around. And when you realize that that's not true, then you don't need to be defensive about the idea that RT reported it. I re-reported it incorrectly.

Sorry, I got that wrong. You don't have to. Alex doesn't need to be defensive about this. All he has to do is say, I initially got a bad report about this. Turns out that's not the case. Whoopsie. Yes, he could do that. But instead he doubles down because he can't do that.

And as we know from the Sandy Hook deposition in present day, they ask about this, the helicopter and the guy in the woods and stuff like that, Alex can't point to a video that he saw that backs this up. That's right. He can't. I completely forgot that he was even making up that part. Well, he's not making up. He's misrepresenting stuff.

If I had to guess, it would be the cops in the woods. And one of them was dressed differently than the others, running in unison appeared to be a chase. And that is just something that is wrong. But you probably could look at that video. You just have to have someone to explain to you that that's not people getting arrested in the woods. You're wrong about that.

Yeah. It wouldn't be like that video doesn't exist. But I think Alex knows that that video doesn't show what he professes that it does. And therefore he can't point to that as being the, like that's what I was going off of. Right. How many times has he ever retracted anything on his show? Is it? Because he could.

You can't ask me that question. I don't know. Well, I mean, yeah. That's a silly question. Very, very few public apologies. Very few retractions. Maybe on the website they've posted some like hidden somewhere or buried in the website. Yeah.

But I don't know. I don't think, in my experience, it's not very calm. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying because it seems, it doesn't surprise me at all that he's just doubling down because he can't retract it. He's already made so much hay out of it in the first two weeks. So how could he possibly now retract it without being like, I'm sorry, I'm not psychic. Well, and it's a piece of him justifying that the globalists did this.

And that also that is part of the justification for him saying that they're doing it to take your guns to start a civil war, which is the only reason for him to be doing as extreme of a broadcast as he's doing at that time. So the underpinnings of stuff like that, if they fall apart, then everything falls apart. Yeah. So if he retracts one thing, then he literally has to say, okay guys, sorry, calm down. Yeah. Which would be less sales.

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And that's what I do. I fund us, you know, not with Putin money, like RT, I fund ourselves with stuff I believe in and I use. So anything else you'd like to add about the young Jebney products? Well, I got introduced through them, through listening to their show and I thought I'd try them and see how they did. And I was amazed. Within a week, it's just what a difference.

Well, I tell you, if you become a distributor, you can pay 10 bucks and get discounts and also sign up and get free shipping when you get auto-shipped at infowarshealth.com. You really ought to, I mean, you've used it, you believe in it. It's good. We're not communists. You ought to become a distributor for infowarsteam.com. You can go there and sign up to become a distributor and then pay it forward. You know, you discover something that really works, tell people your testimony and promote

it. So one of the only times that I've heard him actually advertise for his multi-level marketing, the infowars team, he very rarely brings that up, but it's interesting that he does here. Well, it's certainly not a planted call that just suddenly happens to lead to a very detailed explanation of infowars life and how you should become a partner. A distributor, yeah. Get in this MLM.

What a stroke of luck that you would call. Yeah, insane. And at a time when Alex is clearly feeling like he should do more marketing for his shit. Also in there, that thing, like the way he's like, we don't take Putin money like RT. The way he gives, weaves it back to RT, it really makes you think that all of his complaints about Russia, all are about RT and his complaints about, are about RT. They're about how he's not on it anymore. It really feels that way throughout this call.

Listen, I love Russia's authoritarian government. I love their... I liked it a year ago. I love their absolute move towards homogeneity. But hold on. If you're not having me as a guest on RT, I can't handle this whole Russia thing, Putin. Get out of my face! Right.

So in this next clip, Jordan, it's been a while since we've heard from a good friend of ours. Been a while and I'm thrilled to report. Are we getting Larry Nichols back? No. I don't know where he is at. But... Not now either.

He's in Arkansas. I actually do know where he's at because we have his address. That's true. No. It's Old Man House Phone. Old Man House Phone is back! Old Man House Phone calls in and do Mike down. Because the reason he's calling in is that he needs to report to Alex that he has prank

called Diane Feinstein. George is at first. John and Wyoming on Feinstein, listening on WWCR. Go ahead, John. Thank you, Alex. And thank you for having your great guest, Gerald Salente on today. You bet. I had something happen yesterday that both of you will enjoy.

I called Diane Feinstein's office in Washington, D.C. and one of her young male staffers answered the phone. I said, as per the gun control measure Ms. Feinstein is introducing today, I said, please give her my congratulations. I had no idea she was a supporter of the Fuhrer. I said, Adolf Hitler did the same thing to his people in 1934 and then we saw what he did to his people after he disarmed them. So I just wanted to give her a very hearty congratulations for following her, her guide,

the Fuhrer. Good prank call. Oh, nicely done. Good man. Old Man House Phone. Love it. The annoyance, the annoyance of that staffer, the listening to that just being like, okay. Right.

I'll let her know. Nazis. Yeah. Anything else I can do for you? Counterpoint just from within Alex's rhetoric would be, he says that the guns have been taken from all countries except for like America and Switzerland or whatever. You know, like those are his, that's the, what he says is like everyone else has taken the guns.

Why aren't there more Hitlers? A lot, a lot, a lot of Fuhrers out there. What about all those other countries that haven't had Hitlers pop up? They took all the guns. Well, currently we're in the game of Fuhrers. Isn't that a, isn't that they're still jockeying for position. Isn't that kind of a counter example to your argument that the tyranny comes as soon as people take away the guns?

I mean, it seems to hurt the argument, but look, I don't want to besmirch Old Man House Phone because it's nice to have him back and I'm glad that he's like a cranky anchor. You know, like I'm glad he's like spoony love out there on the phone, trying to, trying to fuck with congressional staffers. He had to say young male staffer too. Like, like he called a bit before that and got a female staffer was like, I can't talk to you. Hang up.

Right. Love it. Yeah. So this show kind of stinks. I could say that about most of Alex's shows, but there's not a whole lot going on. So we're already out of the main show. And now we've, we're in overdrive. Alex does an extra half hour after his show is over.

What got good to him? I don't fucking know. He just did. Yeah. Oh, okay. So he plays a special report from David Knight, who is working there at this point, I guess. I don't know. He's been there for a while, but he plays a special report from David Knight and it

was interesting to me what that special report is about. But don't worry. We're not going to listen to David Knight at all. I want to go to David Knight's report. You just heard Gerald Salente talking about how this, this great turning is coming, this great awakening historically in a cycle. And it's not just one theory that proves this. There's actually dozens, but one book that came out in the 80s, no, breaks down the fourth

turning and he's got a clip from the nineties where they predict the implosion of the market, how it would happen, what would come out of it, the tyranny, the awakening, the cycles. What came out in 1997, this special report that David Knight is filing on this episode is about the theory of the fourth turning, which is based on a book by the, of the same name written by amateur historians, William Strauss and Neil Howe. The book argues that there are generational cycles in our history, which repeat like the seasons in a calendar year. Since they repeat, they're predictable and always follow the same pattern.

Each cycle lasts between 80 and 100 years and is made up of four turnings. So there's the high, which is a period where institutions thrive and individualism weakens. Then there's the awakening, a period where institutions come under attack from a new regime of values, new ideas, value systems. Then there's the unraveling, which is a period where individualism re-assurges itself, re-emerges and institutions decay, giving way to these new values that came about during the awakening. Then there's the crisis, the fourth turning, the period of upheaval when old values are replaced by this new system and it's kind of a chaotic time, there's usually wars.

We don't have time to get into a critical analysis of this theory here, but suffice it to say many people who have feel that it's woefully simplistic and seems not to explain how many historical events and figures don't fit into their handy and neat conceptions. There's a lot of stuff that's left out, although there is enough in there that fits their pattern that you could easily be like, oh my God, this is amazing. They did some cherry picking. So there's a lot of people who are pretty critical of it. One person who's reviewed the theory is not as critical, however, is Steve Bannon.

David Kaiser wrote in a 2016 piece in Time, quote, though their hit theory isn't widely taught in colleges or discussed in the media, Strauss and Howe may play a major role in Donald Trump's administration. Steve Bannon, the former head of Breitbart News, who has been appointed Trump's chief strategist at the White House, is very familiar with Strauss and Howe's theory of crisis and has been thinking about how to use it to achieve particular goals for quite a while. I know this because Bannon interviewed both Neil Howe and myself in 2009 when he was making a documentary film about the ongoing financial crisis.

I don't like to get all spun out on talk about how Steve Bannon may be a supervillain trying to take over the world inspired by half-cooked pseudo-historical prophecy books from the 90s, so I'm just going to move on from the topic. I don't think it's really super important. It is weird, though, just to say that something that was a big piece of Steve Bannon's worldview was also a part of David Knight's worldview that he was reporting on on Infowars in 2013. That's really weird. I don't think it means anything, but it's weird.

They both enjoyed that dumb idea. Well Steve Bannon was still at Breitbart, and if he did the... That sounds right. Yeah, if he did do the documentary in 2009, then it wouldn't surprise me if David Knight had some contact with him or that he had put something up at Breitbart before. Maybe not contact, but he might have gotten it from him. Not personal contact, but contact with the ideas. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's entirely possible. I don't know. It is interesting, though, because based on what this Kaiser is reporting on in time, there is an indication from his interactions with Bannon that the idea of this fourth turning, this crisis and what have you, is something that can be used to your advantage. Whenever there is like a new regime of ideas coming in, the old being replaced by the new, if you finagle things appropriately or correctly, you're able to make sure that your ideas are the new ideas that are implemented through the crisis.

Right, but that's also... Who was it? Was it Holder? Never let a good crisis go? No, that's not Holder. No, that was... Yeah. Rom.

Rom, that's right. Never let a good crisis go to waste, that kind of thing. Right. I don't know if Rom is also a huge fan of... There he is. That could be. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't really care. I just think it's interesting to see these same ideas all over the place. So in this next clip, still from the fourth in Overdrive, a caller is calling in and he says that he wants to sabotage gun legislation by forcing any attempt to get like new regulations and laws for guns, make sure that they also include something in the bill to get rid of the Federal Reserve. So that's great. Okay.

Yeah, I thought we should also put poison pills in every one of their bills. How about adding on to each one of these gun bills that they're trying to put in there that they have to repeal the... What is it? The DNA? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or abolish the Federal Reserve or that all Federal buildings have to be gun-free and they can't have bodyguards, disarm the Secret Service and they'll go, well, that's ridiculous.

Exactly. Leave our guns alone. Filth. You've already sucked the country dry. Well, you know you... We know you hate us. We know you're criminals. Shut up.

Shut up. The game's over. Shut up, Chelcescu. Shut up, Stalin. Shut up, New World Order. Shut up, Queen of England. Shut up, Al Jazeera. Shut up, RT.

Shut up, Chinese government. Shut up. Shut up. We're not putting up with it anymore. I appreciate your call. Shut up, Scum. He's a little mad. Yeah, I don't think I would want to be his neighbor.

No. That sounds difficult. Yeah, he's on one here. I mean, this is overdrive. Yeah, right. So it's time to let it all hang out. Just scream shut up for a good five minutes or so. Everybody shut up.

Shut up. Shut up, Maria. I know you. You work at the Jewel Osco down the street from me. Shut up, Maria. Shut up. Trying to take my gun. Yeah.

But you can also see that because of this beef that he has with RT, it appears that that's at the root of this. He's lumping in RT with like China, Chescu. All of these people that he thinks are awful, which is, we know, isn't a view that he's going to keep for long. No, three weeks later, he's going to be on RT and he's going to say how great they are. Well, that's the reason that I suspect that this is something so trivial. Yeah.

Because we, I don't know if it's at that point when he's allowed back on RT that he's all like, Hey, Russia's great again. Yeah. Or whatever. But we know that that is something that he comes back to. So I don't know. I'm not sure what it is. Hey, Joe Rogan's my friend again.

What a surprise. Hey, how about that? He has the best podcast in the world. I was going to, I was going to slit his throat like a pig, but, uh, and said, uh, and said, we're, we're good buddies. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's just so, when you have something like that, it makes whatever you're professing the problem to be seemed very insincere and that's, that's the base I'm operating

from. Yeah. So in this next clip, uh, caller, this is the last one here from the fourth, uh, towards the end of the show, a caller calls in, uh, and wants to talk about Adam Lanz's mom. Uh, and then Alex says something that's, uh, that's, uh, it's in line with his progression. Let's go to Ron in New York real fast. Uh, Ron, you're on the air. Yeah.

Hi, Alex. Alex, a few things. How come there's been no real consequential journalistic vetting of Adam Lanz's mother? I mean, after all, according to the press, he played a central part. That was in the whole thing. If you ask me, my gut tells me it's all staged and Batman and the Batman shooting to, and they've got the proof, but, uh, it's just, I don't know the public can handle it. The entire thing is scripted.

Yes. Okay. The entire thing is scripted. Well, uh, is there a nail in that coffin? I don't know. I mean, like, uh, he said he has proof, but he could have been talking about the Aurora shooting because just because of the context of the sentence. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We have proof that the Batman one was not like from that sentence. It's really hard to nail down that he's saying he has proof that Sandy Hook itself was staged, but he is saying that. It was scripted. Yeah. So it has to be staged.

Jordan, I don't know. I don't know if you've ever been in the theater. Um, but the thing that actors do is based on, uh, what's it called? Table reads. It's script. Oh, script. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Plays are scripted. Television's scripted. I've been to second city. That's not true. There's some improv, but like saying that something is scripted does seem to imply the presence of actors. Yeah. Now, still it's not good enough to nail down necessarily, but that is in line with the

progression of again, where we know he's going to end up. Yeah. So you can see that here already. I mean, what are we, uh, January 4th, uh, just less than a month after he's already a week or so before this suggested that Robbie Parker was an actor because of, uh, the way he presented in a, in a press conference and now he's saying the whole thing is scripted. So that's, this is, it's quick. Yeah.

It's quick. Didn't take him long. Yeah. It's a very quick drive. It's simultaneously way quicker than it should be and way slower than it should be. Yeah. I see what you're saying. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Cause you'd expect you almost want it to be like the moment that it happens. Well, yeah. I mean, like, I mean, you don't want it to be, but yeah, you, you think it would be. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

So we get to the sixth now. And, um, I should tell you this on the fourth, uh, he gets a caller who's bringing up the idea that there's this police chief in Pennsylvania who's like going to be a gun haven. Like a place where guns are free, uh, to live and breathe, go, go, move there. Get it. Go on. You don't want to have fun. Get on over there.

Hey, if you love guns so much, there's, there's a utopia. I know a lot about this guy. Get out of the rest of America. I know a lot about this guy that I'm about to tell you about. You don't want to go there. Um, even if you're a gun person, but, uh, so he's about to give out this guy's phone number police chief's phone number and Alex is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop.

No, he wanted people to have his phone number. He said it was fine to give it out and Alex is like, he's going to be on the show tomorrow. Don't worry about it. And then on the show, on the show, he comes on on Sunday. Yeah. He does give out his phone number. Of course he does. And I would have left it in so we could try and call him like we did Larry Nichols.

Yeah. Uh, but it's just the police department's phone number. Oh, okay. That makes more sense. Just look that up in the phone book. Yeah. That's disappointing. It's not that exciting, but Alex has built it up on the, on the fourth that on the sixth,

he's going to have this police chief on. And here is Alex at the beginning of the show on the sixth, announcing, we're going to talk to it coming up in 30 minutes. A police chief, Mark Kessler is going to be joining us with state level nullification at the town council level in Pennsylvania. They are moving to get a law pass to mobilize their town against the globalist and violations of the bill of rights and constitution and the Declaration of Independence gives them that power.

And he is coming on the show. We found out he's a listener as well. That's good. Uh, it's good to know there's a fellow Liberty levers out there across the nation in the world. And that's what my plan and Ron Paul's plan as well has been nullification at the county, city, state level, nullification short of secession. But if we have secession, it's not from the United States.

It's to have the states pull out of the federally occupied new world order system and to reupload the Republic. Uh, what? Okay. Whatever. Uh, what now? Basically just say it's the same thing that these sheriffs do. It's the same thing with like that nullification idea is just like, Hey, you guys have your

laws. We got ours and ours are better. Who cares? Great. Alex is like more counties to secede from the union. Alex is highly touted guest on this Sunday show is Gilberton, Pennsylvania police chief Mark Kessler. This is an interesting cat this dude.

So he's on the show as part of Alex's parade of gun weirdos that he's having on to pretend that the government is just days away from taking your guns, uh, you know, just out of your law abiding hands, leaving, uh, only the hardest core criminals out there having guns. Oh man. We can't have that. Yeah. I should tell you that in May, 2018, Mark Kessler was sentenced to two years probation and you

might be asking yourself, what do you do to get those charges? Domestic violence. It turns out that on May 5th, 2016, Kessler tried to buy a gun from a Dunham sports location, but he lied on his application. So you might be asking yourself what he lied about and it turns out he lied in response to a question of whether or not he had ever been charged with a crime carrying a possible prison sentence of more than one year. He said, no, when the answer was definitely yes, how many possible years were, uh, were

available. I'm not entirely sure. It should have been fresh in his mind though, that the answer to that question was yes, because in December, he had just gotten out of prison in December, 2015, not six months prior, he'd been charged with multiple counts of harassment, disorderly conduct and making terrorist threats. There it was. There's the one.

Yeah. There we go. One of the harassment charges was the result of him allegedly pushing a guy he thought was talking shit about his daughter and telling him, you better watch your back. I know where you live, which Kessler for then followed up with by continuing to send the guy harassing emails. Yeah. I mean, I think the, that would be when you switched to snail mail, just to really hammer

home that you know where he lives. Yeah. The terrorist threats charge was allegedly the result of a complaint filed by a woman who attempted to pass Kessler's Hummer on the road one day, which apparently he did not take kindly to from the, from the Republican Herald quote, Kessler pulled alongside her, rolled down the passenger side window and began to scream at her and use obscene language according to the criminal complaint. The woman recalled Kessler telling her quote, what are you doing?

You're lucky. My kids are here. You know what would happen? The woman said Kessler began to pull away, but suddenly stopped, backed up and reached down, pulling out a firearm to show her according to the complaint. The woman said she is scared Kessler may seriously harm or kill her, especially since he acted that way that he did with young children in his vehicle, according to the complaint. I'm not a hundred percent sure how these cases ended up in court, but it really doesn't

matter. They were pending when he tried to buy this gun. So he absolutely lied on that application. Jesus. These outbursts occurred in 2015 when it seems like Kessler wasn't in such a good place. That might have been because he was fired as Gilberton police chief in September 2013 after he posted some videos on YouTube of him firing a bunch of guns and yelling about how quote all the libtards take it in the ass.

So about eight months after this appearance, he is no longer the sheriff that we should call. Because he made these videos and he was shooting off a bunch of guns talking about libtards taking it in the ass and referring to a dummy that he was using as a target as quote crazy Nancy, the speaker of the house. Oh, which one? Uh, close, close. In one of the videos, he says quote, Democrats are the most vile creatures in this country.

They're vile. They're evil, evil, un-American. I don't want to call them people because that's being too kind. They're scum. You go against your country. They hate our country. That could easily be a transcript of modern day Alex Jones, quite frankly. Oh, yeah.

But these videos were so bad for business and so embarrassing that even the oath keepers stopped working with Kessler after outlets began covering them. And soon he was in hot water with the city. Oh, oh boy. In August 2013, it became clear he was probably going to get fired and the city called for a council meeting. He took to Facebook at that point to try and rile up his base and begged militia folk to come to his aid.

You know what? Some did. Of course. From an article in New Republic, quote, over 50 people, including a few out of state militia members, heeded his call. They set up what gun control advocate Michael Morrill of the statewide group Keystone Progress called a quote perimeter around the council meeting. The heavily armed crowd clearly unnerved the few townspeople who showed up, quote, you

know why there's not more residents here? The threats. That's why, because they're afraid. One lifelong resident told the high morning, uh, valley morning call, quote, they're afraid they're going to have their windows shot out. A man who lives just outside Gilberton, uh, called Kessler a nut and said his wife is afraid to stop in the borough. So he won't, his wife won't even stop in town.

Oh, by the way, I should tell you he's the only cop in that city. He's the police chief. So we're legitimately living in Wild West times and he's a black hat police chair who needs a fucking David Carradine to ride into town in order to solve this. Turns out it's the feds that do that. They're the David Carradine of this. Yeah. He's the only cop in town.

And when he's fired, they abolish the police department. That's good. That is fucking up so bad that it's like after, after 2020, we're just like, no more presidents. We're just abolishing presidents. So he gets these militia guys to set up a perimeter outside the council meeting and drain intimidate people into like, don't fire the guy. He's getting a bossy.

This is the Wild West. He does have a militia of his own too. Of course. So this guy, Michael Merrill from Keystone Progress, he told the Huffington Post, quote, I've been organizing for four decades. I've faced Klansmen in Kentucky, Utesa in Bosnia, and police indiscriminately beating demonstrators in Italy. That night in Gilberton was more frightening than any of those situations.

Ultimately, the display of force didn't work and Kessler was suspended and ultimately fired. The biggest reason for his termination? It turns out he was firing guns that belong to the burrow in the video. That was a technicality that they could get him on. That was just, that was, there should be, there should be an easier way than that. That's, that's component tax evasion. Like good, we got him, but we should have gotten him on all kinds of shit.

After he was fired, Kessler formed his own militia. He unsuccessfully ran for sheriff and claimed that he had signed a contract to start a reality show. I would watch that. It's still in pre-production as far as I can tell. It's, it's the worst horror movie since Get Out. He had one other move up his sleeve, but that's going to have to wait until a little bit later in this episode.

I'm at Scariest Movie. I like Get Out. Okay. Yeah. Mere months before he got himself fired as police chief, here he is on Alex's show, full of hope for the future, not knowing the pile of shit he's about to step in all because he's a complete lunatic. Oh, also, I should tell you in 2011, he shot himself in the hand while he was at a

bar and in 2013, he was sued after his son shot a BB gun at a bunch of kids at the Frackville Recreational Complex, which led to a young girl needing to get surgery to remove a BB from her leg, which might not be relevant, except he was the guy who was the fucking police chief who made YouTube videos of himself indiscriminately shooting guns all over the place and screaming. So when his kid does that with a BB gun, it kind of makes you think maybe he's a, you know, doing what daddy does. So he's coming up later in the show.

Of course. But now you kind of know who this cat is. Yeah. He's a little bit of a dick and a little crazy. A little bit? Yeah. So Alex starts talking about gun statistics and death statistics. And he says something in this next clip that is, it's bad.

And by the way, guns are at the end of the list with 11,493 killed in fiscal year 2011. You always get the numbers a year late. And there you go. But I'm going to go over all those numbers here on air. By the way, an estimated 72% of those were gang related. Gang members killing each other. So take 70 plus percent out of 11,500 roughly. And we're now talking about 3,500 or so.

Maybe 4,000 real deaths from guns. Oh, they're not real deaths. Oh, they're not real deaths. Did you know that if you were in a gang, you and you die, it's fake? Oh, it's still fake. You're not even a real human being anymore. It's fake death. You're not real life.

Fake death. Yeah, cool. Remember when Alex said that if he suggested something like that, he should be taken off the air? He literally said that if I said that people in gangs being killed, it doesn't matter if I said something that offensive. He did say that. He was trying to demonize somebody else.

I can't remember exactly when it was, but I remember we talked about this like not a couple months ago. Yeah. Alex saying something like that. You just said they're not real deaths, you son of a bitch. What an asshole. Yeah, this guy sucks. I don't know if you knew that.

I didn't know. I didn't know up until now. I thought he was, I was 50-50 on him. Well, I mean, he does suck. He's pretty bad, but you should know this about him. He's a learned man, Alex Jones. And he's read a lot of things and that gives him a full grasp of things, you know, like history and historical figures.

To quote Thomas Jefferson, the great thing about the Second Amendment is you only need it when they try to take it away. That is a Thomas Jefferson quote, similar quotes by other founders. So, Jordan, based on what you know about Alex's batting average with quotes, how much would you be willing to bet that that's not a real quote? Well, once he started saying the words, I said that's not a real quote. He said it was a quote twice. When he said the only thing about that, I was like, no, this isn't a quote.

Goodbye. Let me ask you listeners, how much would you bet that it's not a real quote? $100 million. If you said everything I own, congratulations on doubling your net worth. That is a fake quote. The Thomas Jefferson... I'm going to make it a true daily double, Alex. The Thomas Jefferson Foundation has investigated that quote and variations on it,

like quote, the people will not understand the importance of the Second Amendment until it's too late and ruled that they find no evidence that Jefferson ever said anything like it. They consulted all of his collected papers, his published writings and correspondences and found nothing. I like the idea that it's such an awful, stupid quote that they went out of their way. They're like, well, maybe these idiots who make up quotes all the time may have read something in one of these obscure documents of Thomas Jefferson.

So we better go through everything. In fairness, it's the Thomas Jefferson Foundation. What else are they doing? No, no, no, of course. I know they're not busy. The quote doesn't appear in any published form until 2007. Then it appeared in a book called, quote, on a hill they call capital. A revolution is coming by a guy named Matt Carson.

It was written in cram. The book is a fictional novella about some dudes from Virginia who are pissed off about taxes. So they start a revolution. Interestingly, if you go on Amazon, you'll find this review with the headline Pretty Silly. This is going to be a good review. Quote, a cheaply produced short novel about an anti-tax revolution. Not a bad read, I suppose, but it's basically an anarchist's fantasy. Shallow and uninformed, a fake Jefferson quote or two thrown in for good measure.

This Amazon reviewer knows more about Thomas Jefferson than fucking Alex Jones, who claims Jefferson is one of his heroes. This shit is pathetic. If in defense, it's possible the reviewer could have worked at the Thomas Jefferson Institute. There's a real possibility. Right, we don't know. I assume they read everything that even mentions Thomas Jefferson. Perhaps.

So now we're going to get to the Kessler showing up. And man, I'm so excited to tell you more about this guy. You thought that was it about him. I really thought that was. This guy is the gift that keeps giving. I really thought that was enough. Remember I told you I was up late last night? Yeah.

It was because there just is so much more about him. You think you've figured out like what this guy is about? I thought we, I thought we already had him being a Black Hat evil sheriff in a Wild West town. That's only the stage being set. That's the surface. Exactly, exactly. He's firing guns at people's feet to make them dance and they're not far off. Of course.

Okay. So here we go. Here's where he comes into the show. All right, let's do it. All right. We take you now to police chief Mark Kessler in a Pennsylvania town of Gilberton. For now. It's like Mayberry RFK and the citizens are backing him.

Pennsylvania police chief proposes second amendment preservation ordinance, demand a real plan nullifying constitutional gun laws. And he joins us to talk about enact any and all measures as maybe necessary to prevent the violation of the second amendment. That's right. That's right. Not just say we're not going to enforce unconstitutional laws, enact whatever it takes, any means necessary.

I want to salute you, sir, for your stand for the Republic. And it's good to have you here with us. Tell us why this came to mind and where this is going. Well, thank you very much, Alex, for having me on your show. So, you know, Alex is thrilled to have this guy on. He thinks very highly of him and he thinks, you know, it's great. Excuse me, Alex. First, I just want to say thank you for saluting me.

But please, in the future, make sure you don't raise your hand too fast. I have a really itchy trigger finger. So I've lost a few, a few friends who were in the military. They salute it a little too quick. And I nullify your argument that that's a salt for me to shoot you. So you're the one who raised your hand quick. Absolutely. It's all defense.

So in this next clip, Kessler talks about the support that he has in the world that Alex loves. And I mean, I've been contacted by the old keepers. They're there in support of me, the Pennsylvania United PA, 912 guys. They're eight million members strong throughout the country. They're backing me. There's just a whole bunch of people that are. Yeah, folks are just looking for a minute of honor to stand up and you're doing that. So 912, that's Glenn Beck's stuff.

The old keepers are tea party adjacent. He's just a big tea party guy. That's one of the big things that should be known about him. I can't stress this enough. If you go watch some of his videos, they're literally insane. He's just yelling horrible shit about people and then firing like semi automatic rifle at like a pile of dirt. It's insane. He's just screaming about like the UN needs to go away and it's like it's wildly.

They went pretty viral back in like 2013. But like there, they give you the appearance of a man unhinged. So it's like the Clint Eastwood lecturing Obama as a chair, except he has a gun that he's firing at the chair after yelling. I don't know if Eastwood was yelling though. Was he? No, he wasn't yelling. He's too old to yell.

He's got too many racist movies to direct. So this next clip, Alex kisses Kessler's ass quite a bit. Again, I got to say it. I'm not kissing your butt here, chief. But I got to say what you're doing is what will save this country. And it almost brings a tear to my eye because so many people say, well, I'll just wait till they come for my guns and we'll have a revolution. Folks, that is the last thing we want.

Whoever shoots first loses. We want to stand up politically and use that force to defend our freedoms, not shoot our mouths off. And I've told people this. If you won't politically get involved to defend your freedom, it's talk. You will never physically defend when the time comes. Correct, Alex.

You're right on point there. Right on point. I can't agree with you more. So you understand that that's even kind of aggressive and a little bit violent? Yeah, don't start a revolution before or after they take your guns or when they're trying to take your guns. We got to do this before they even start taking our guns. Well, no, but there is that.

But it's also like, we're not going to do a violent part now. We're going to do political stuff now. But I should tell you that if you're not political now, there's no way you're going to be violent later. So if you want to prove that you're ready to be violent, get political. There's still a weird sort of kernel to it. I don't really understand it. And I don't, I don't, I don't know if it's like anything I would label as like evil or it's just weird.

We don't allow anybody into our militias who has not also put a writer on a bill trying to get gun control legislation that would also abolish the Fed. Right. If you don't do that, we can't trust you to throw down. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, most of the interviews just them talking about how he has these plans to nullify laws and all that good stuff.

And yes, it is really not. It sounds like he can read very well to nullify laws. Yeah. There's not a ton of substance to it. It's just like, hey, the globalist occupied government is doing a bunch of stuff that we feel is illegal. So we're going to do things that we feel are legal that are against the law. And so I don't care.

They're just talking in circles around each other. And there's much more important issues. A lot of askings. Like the fact that Kessler's mayor supports him. Other points, Police Chief Mark Kessler of Gilbertson, Pennsylvania that you'd like to impart to our listeners. Well, I'd like to say I hope everybody gets behind this. And my mayor, Mayor Mary Lou Hannon, she's Pro Second Amendment. She's standing behind me on this.

She can also push the council into adopting this. And I just really hope the passes. So that's interesting to know that this guy is such a crazy already. Don't believe him when he says the mayor supports him. Oh, he's not lying. Oh, no. That's not good. It's interesting to hear that Mary Lou Hannon, the mayor supports Mark Kessler.

I mean, it's not that interesting. But him bringing it up is a perfect segue for me to tell you another story about Kessler's horrible career. He shot Mary Lou Hannon in the foot three times. In 2011, he was sued by Councilman Robert Wagner. After Kessler arrested, strip searched and held Wagner in prison for six hours. What did Wagner done? He left a terse voicemail on Hannon's machine, which he admitted, quote, wasn't pretty. So here's what happened.

Wagner called Kessler to complain about teenagers racing ATVs in front of his house, but he couldn't reach Kessler. So he called the mayor and left a message that got a little bit heated. He explained that the racing was dangerous and he was taking a lot of heat from neighbors to get it taken care of since they knew he was on the city council and he had some sway. Wagner swore a good bit in the voicemail, but it was about the kids racing. He's like these fucking kids racing and stuff like that. He wasn't threatening or verbally harassing the mayor or Kessler in any way.

This is a pretty open and shut case of abuse of power, where Kessler very literally arrested Wagner for exercising his First Amendment rights, and Wagner was awarded $15,000 in judgment when they sued both Hannon and Kessler over it. Oh, boy. So there's a good chance that the mayor sports Kessler because she's just as fucked up as he is. It's not clear whether or not she directed Kessler to arrest Wagner, but it is clear that she signed off on the arrest, which is completely without probable cause and constituted a purely retaliatory act.

So what was the thing that they were going to arrest him for? I mean, I know why they, oh, they were, he was harassing him for harassment. Yeah. Okay. Doesn't explain the strip search. Yeah. Do they normally do the strip search for harassment? I think that was just harassment of him and humiliation.

This happened a year and a half before he was appearing here as a guest on Alex's show, where Alex is kissing his ass and holding him up as an example of someone who's going to save the constitution, when in reality he's literally an example of a corrupt cop who uses his position to deny someone else their constitutional rights over pettiness and just him flexing his power. Bad Lieutenant Port of Call Gilberton, Pennsylvania, I believe. Uh-huh. That was the, that was the sequel. Yeah.

Nick Cage did not star in that one. So now they're done with the interview really. And this is how Alex ends it. Well, I want to salute police chief Mark Kessler in Gilberton, Pennsylvania. Too fast. When is your town going to stand up? When's your town going to stand up? So what makes this appearance of this guy, this Kessler on Alex Jones' show even funnier,

is that about a year after he got fired as Gilberton police chief, Kessler made a pathetic attempt at doing some brand rehabilitation by claiming that his insane YouTube videos were only made as part of an undercover operation he was involved in with the feds. Love it. Yes. Yes. That's a great sing operation by the feds. I love what they were trying to do.

Which was? Well, Kessler appeared on Fox News radio with Alan Combs where he said, quote, I was sent out for, well, I can't really say exactly who, but I was sent out by agencies to go out and attract and investigate whether I could, what I could do to find out who's who and what's what among these groups. When I say groups, I'm talking about second amendment groups, Patriot groups, alleged Patriot groups, militia groups, all sorts of groups. He told Combs that he didn't believe the things that he was saying in those videos.

So he was playing the long con. I don't know. He had, but he's, he's been embedded in the militia movement for 20 years. That's something like that. Something like that. The feds recruited him when he was nine. Right, right. Put him into the militia movement.

Right. And now, now my operation is done with these videos and we've, we've lured out some dangerous elements so I could publicly declare on Alan Combs' show that I'm a snitch. What's his final video of him standing in front of a shot up mission accomplished banner? It's crazy. It is literally insane that this guy is like, no, I was working with the fans. I love the swing for the fences.

You got to give them the swing for the fences, man. I love it. I love it when you just really go all out. None of this half dog whistles. Shit. Just say that you've never even heard of Assange. Give me the go, give me the home run. I don't, I don't believe this guy at all.

I don't believe any of this. I think he was 100% lying about working with the feds. I think he 100% believed the stuff that he said in those videos. But his story about being undercover working for the feds is just his way of trying to save face because he realized that this right wing grift he was trying to work isn't playing, isn't paying out the way he wanted to. That fake reality show that he claimed he had signed a contract for wasn't happening. He wasn't making any money, all that sort of stuff.

So fuck it. Let's try and shift gears. Um, I just think it's really funny though, like, cause no matter what, even if he is lying, he is like, if you go through message boards now of these, like these communities, they're like, we thought he was great. Turns out he's a fucking snitch. He lied himself into being accepted by no one. Right.

Exactly. And it's interesting too, because like, I don't believe him obviously, but if you do believe him and that he was working to root out people who are dangerous within these communities, part of being on Alex Jones's show might be part of that outreach, might be trying to ensnare dangerous people. I mean, are you saying that we're going to entertain this possibility? No, I'm because if we're going to do it, let's do it, man. No, what else is he going for?

No, I want to, I want a list of suspects and arrests that came about as a, as part of this investigation. It's classified. I want to know exactly how making YouTube's where you shoot at dirt is a, is a sting? I want to know. The only thing that makes it a sting, like it's not believable. It's a hundred percent not, but the only thing that makes it more robust than just, I was making videos where I shot things, and that's how you lure dangerous people in,

is that he was trying to build a militia. Yeah. And so the idea is that like that call for people to join his militia and stuff like that, that's how he was finding the dangerous people. But I don't believe that. That's why Ted Nugent is doing 25 to life. Right. I don't believe any of this shit, but it's funny.

Alex does no vetting of his guests at all. Now granted, this is in the future of when he's on Alex's show. But if you look at the stuff that happened before the time he's on Alex's show, you really should get a sense of like this guy. Uh-uh. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now I want to go back through and see what his record is as a, what if he started out like a young idealistic sheriff who wanted to make things better?

And then, and then he got training dayd and his first partner was Denzel. And it turns out that he becomes just as corrupt as the other guys. Point of order, he's not a sheriff. Second point of order, he's the only fucking cop in Gilbert. So I don't know who's corrupting him. I think he's the sheriff. If you're the only cop, you have to be called the sheriff, right? No, that's the county, not the borough.

Ah, that's right. So Alex, towards the end of this episode, he starts to get some, some calls and some news from people that Illinois is being sneaky snakes. And they had dropped the legislation that was going to ban everyone's guns. But much like snakes who sneak, they are reintroducing it. And this is an emergency. Federal court ruled they can't bar Chicagoans from owning guns to defend themselves. So they're striking back as any globalist would to just take every gun we've got.

My goodness. And they're going to use this as the model with an executive order. The Washington Post reports yesterday, Saturday, to just have Obama sign an order taking our guns. And his plan is to start a civil war. These people are criminals. I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir.

Well, that is what's happening, Alex. Well, see, the General Assembly with this vote, because this is a dirty tricks vote. If you know any history of Illinois, see, they're going to, they're going to bring the General Assembly's discussion in the house tonight at five o'clock. But everybody won't be there. They'll only have the special guys that got called to be there. Amen. That's what the deal is.

That's how they passed the public reserve act with three senators. December 23rd, 1913. Go ahead. Bingo. We got a bingo. Air horn. Yep. So that's what they're doing.

They're doing it just like they did at the Federal Reserve. Just like they did at the Federal Reserve. What? The Illinois General Assembly. So that's stupid. And this next clip. Also stupid. You know, remember Joseph Fair when he came on to your show,

when he talked about how he was afraid that Barack Obama and his controllers would line people up and basically do away with them. And remember how you played on the air. No, that's what Bill Ayers told Obama in the FBI files, was they were going to kill, put 50 million of us in camps and kill us. Yeah, Bill Ayers said that. I understand, you know, Barack Obama is a hardcore communist, but Barack Obama understands power.

Okay. Why are you saying that? Alex is, I mean, that's just a complete lie. He's saying that Bill Ayers told Obama that and it's in the FBI files. That isn't true. That's that snitch Larry Grathwall who was making this stuff up. Who was lying. Who said that Bill Ayers had said that in a meeting of some sort.

Obama has no relation to that at all. It's just a lioness mirror against Bill Ayers that Alex tried to ask Bill about. And Bill explained the situation of how this is. Calmly and rationally. Yeah. This is, I mean, this is absurd. This is, this is ridiculous. Because even the real version of it wouldn't like,

if Alex wanted to just report whatever his verdict, the fake version of this, which is Larry Grathwald said the Bill Ayers believes this. Fine. You could say that. But now he's saying that the FBI files include Bill Ayers telling Obama this, that's just like three layers of lies. Yeah, I was going to say, when would he even have had the opportunity? Well, the weather underground was being investigated like this.

When would he have told Obama? No idea. It's nonsense. It's crazy. Yeah. So we're, we're in a, we're at the end of this already. This is, this went quick. Yeah.

One more clip. Yeah. And it's earlier Alex misused Thomas Jefferson quote. And it turns out that everybody kind of does that at Infowars, including his voiceover guy. I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility, against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. Thomas Jefferson, it's Alex Jones on the GCN radio network.

The context of that quote is about like being against religious tyranny. Yeah. The idea of the church, Thomas Jefferson's quote in that, in the, the, the proper context of that quote was about the church. It wasn't about the state. It wasn't anything like that. It was, this is also a form of tyranny over the minds of man. And I have sworn eternal vigilance against that.

Yeah. Yeah. So everybody's kind of whack over there at Infowars about, about, about Thomas Jefferson. God, I bet there are more stories of that Pennsylvania cop. Oh, 100%. He's gotta be, he's gotta be fucking insane. Like I would, I want to see a documentary on just him, like with interviews of people around him because he's gotta be fucking lunacy.

Yeah, absolutely. Even like the ones that don't get reported are probably the most insane ones. Awful tyrant weirdo. Yeah. So Jordan, we've reached the end of this, but you know what? I feel like, you know, we're only at like, we're not very far into this. I feel like we breezed through this episode. And as such, I feel like we should do something we haven't done in a long time.

What's that? And that is, I realized that we have some messages. What? We have some messages. We have some messages? From the, from the phone. Oh, that's right. From, from when we said we were going to take calls.

We never, I almost never open Skype, which is where the calls go to. Right, right, right. And so I never see that people have called in. I feel terrible about that because people are calling in and leaving messages. And we should pay it forward a little bit, play some of these messages. Yeah. Now I'm interested. And let's see what happens. So, um, if you ever come down to Gilberton, we'll kill you.

All right. Okay. Cool. Wow. We haven't released this one yet. Kessler. All right. So here's a, here's a phone number.

Uh, like, am I going to read this person's phone number? I was going to say to Jesus. I don't know. Here's a message. Hey, Dan and Jordan. It's Rachel calling from beautiful Seattle, Washington. Hey. I just wanted to tell you two things.

One, but I recently got a bird feeder. I really think that if all the alt-right dickhead did not use, just like sat down and watched the birds for a little while, the world would be a much better place. The other thing I wanted to tell you is just that every time Ted Anderson is on the show, I'm picturing like Mitch McConnell mixed with like Doug Dimitro. Anyway, uh, I love your work and I love you. Bye.

Hey, Rachel. I think she's right on the bird feeders. Bird feeders to solve the problems of Naziism. I like it. Creative solutions for problems that have been going on for a long time. Absolutely. Yeah. I love it.

Why not? All right. That's a good policy proposal. Sure. Bird feeders for bastards. Yeah. Um, all right. Let's, uh, let's try this again.

Let's see who we got here. Also, we should say the phone number is 530 neon nip for people who are curious if you ever want to call in. I'm not sure if we're going to be, you know, have the time because generally our episodes go pretty long. Yeah. So, uh, you know, it's a nice occasion here. Let's see.

This is, I haven't listened to any of these. So I don't know what they're going to be. We're playing roulette all the way. Oh boy. Hmm. This one appears to not be loading. So we'll go to the next one. Hey, Jordan, guess what?

It turns out that messages that are more than a month old get erased automatically by Skype. Um, so. So much for our plan. Old messages. Shit. I feel like a total asshole. I'm sorry. But hey, oh, we, hey, we totally tried.

Sort of tried. And we got a nice message from Rachel about bird feeders. Rachel is the winner. How can that not be a win? That's a win for sure. Absolutely. Are these, uh, are the guys from in Washington who are doing the whole, we're not going to enforce the gun law that, uh, Washingtonians just passed?

Are they just doing the same Kessler thing? Maybe. Or are they just like not doing it? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know enough about the specifics, but maybe they're Kessler rights. Like the, the constitutional sheriff movement or whatever that is. Well, I mean, that's all mixed up together.

And that's, that's why Kessler tried to run for sheriff after, uh, get fired. Right, right, right. Cause he's in that world of like, Hey, I had ultimate authority. I was literally the only cop in this town. Yeah. I could do that again as sheriff. Why not? Yeah.

So give me more, give me more places to ruin. That's what I'd love to do. Yep. A bunch of assholes. Yep. Well, anyway, this brings us to the end then, I suppose. So if you want to call in, you can at five through zero neon nip. We will hopefully do this again in more, in less time than a month.

Try and actually open up Skype from time to time to see what's there. But it's interesting. I mean, this was a little bit shorter, but I'm glad to do something that's not about present day. Jump off that a little bit because it's a fucking mess. Oh yeah. A good way to end the week is learning about this real, uh, dick hole, uh, police chief from Pennsylvania who, uh, is just a, just a bag of joy.

That, that story of him being passed and then like screaming obscenities at the lady and about to drive away and then stops because you can, you can hear the wheels turning in that story of him being like, I bet she's not threatened enough by me. Maybe I need to pull out a gun and make sure that she gets the message. 01:22:14,420 --> 01:22:15,620 Don't pass me. Allegedly. Ah, allegedly.

I don't know how that case turned out. I'm guessing well. I don't know. He might have been acquitted. I can't, I couldn't tell from the article that I found. Yeah. Oh, whatever. But, uh, yeah, no, he just, it's fucked up to think that like there are so many towns like that.

Yeah. And a lot of them don't have someone like him as their only cop. Thank God. But there, there's a certain percent that do, you know, there's, there's, there's certain stories out there that we just never hear. And that's of like towns that have a fucking police chief, uh, who is a real power, uh, hungry and just abuses his power to, I don't know, whether it's enrich himself or like crush mild dissent or whatever.

Yeah. I mean, we, we talk about the corruption that went on, uh, under Joe Arpaio's, uh, Iron Fisted. Oh, by the way, rule, by the way, uh, there was an interview that this guy, Kessler did with Mike Zulo, who's part of the cold case posse of Joe Arpaio. Great. So they, they do appreciate each other. Right. Yeah.

But I mean, think about how long it took for all of us to hear about Joe Arpaio. His corruption was going on before we. But I think a lot of people had heard about it. It's just no one did anything about it. Right. Well, exactly. And that's because that was a large enough place for people to pay attention to it. At least he had a fucking, uh, group of police officers working with him or sheriff's deputies or whatever.

Yeah. Imagine all the towns where a Joe Arpaio lives, but it's just him. So you never find out about it. Yeah. You just like to imagine that everything runs well. And you know, like we have all these systems in place that are great and like stop stuff like this from happening, but turns out, no, there are stuff like there's things like this and that kind of sucks. At least, uh, at least we can rest safe in the knowledge that the Chicago police department

is not corrupt at all. They are the best. They are so good. So we're, uh, wrapping it up, but we'll be back next week. But until then, uh, we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight.com. Correct.

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That's an actor. Yeah. Who is this? It is Robert Wagner. Really? Yeah. There was the councilman's name. I had to second guess myself.

Was it actually, is it actually Robert Wagner? It's not. Is it Robert Blake? Cause that would also make sense. That guy killed a dude. Lady. That guy killed a lady. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Councilman Robert Wagner, uh, has never killed anybody. As best I can tell, he was just strip searched, uh, uh, for exercising his first amendment rights by a crazy police chief, but, uh, someone who has killed someone technically probably is Alex Jones. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.

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