Knowledge Fight - #286: Wrestling With Disappointment

Episode Date: April 19, 2019

Jordan is still on vacation, so Dan brings in the great Marty DeRosa from the Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling podcast to sit in. In the past, Dan has disappointed Marty by telling him about the times that pro wrestlers Kane and Roddy Piper appeared on InfoWars. Has he found another wrestler popping up as a guest? Of course he has, and it's not Jesse Ventura.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm not Jordan. No, you're Marty. I'm Marty. Hey, we're a couple guys. We were sitting here and we're going to drink some novelty beverages and not talk about Alex Jones today, necessarily, although Alex Jones related subjects. Welcome. It's good to be here. It's a treat to have you. Look, first of all, it's a treat to drink this Dasani sparkling pear kiwi. Oh, yeah. First of all, if you're a drink maker and you're not doing those tall thin cans like

Red Bull. Love it. Diet Coke. It's like, hey, bud, we're getting on that too. It fits in your hand real nice. It just looks good. It feels good. It feels expensive. It feels important. I should tell you that Marty DeRosa filling in for Jordan today is sponsored by Dasani. No, no, no. But when you handed me this one at first, I was afraid and a lot of times with... Because of the pear kiwi. Novelty beverages. I was afraid it was going to taste like suntan lotion, which happens a lot. That's why I avoid anything that has a coconut. A lot of tropical type stuff. I just kind of steer clear of. Any sparkling waters with your kiwi, coconut, something. It's like, it's going to taste like suntan lotion.

It has that risk for sure. I got screwed recently because I'm such a sucker for anything that seems like, ooh, that's different. Yeah. And so I bought a 12 pack of... I don't remember what the brand was, but it was sparkling water, orange vanilla. And I was like, I've never had a vanilla sparkling water. This is going to be crazy. And it was kind of gross. The buys that are like this in the, like red, I just call them Red Bull cans. They have a coconut one. Right. No, pineapple. Pineapple. That is out of this. I mean, it's a great flavor. Out of this world. Well, I'm glad that we both are passionate about our seltzer waters. Oh yeah. So Jordan is still in Mexico. He is on vacation. Or is he? That's what I've heard. Yeah. I have no evidence of it. He hasn't sent me any

Instagram pics of him on the beach, but I trust him. And so he's on vacation. And so I could, you know, you and I, we discussed something that we wanted to do, which was while Sammy Zane, pro wrestler extraordinaire was injured, we talked about doing a episode of that's what they want you to think our old conspiracy theory podcast and holding on to it for once he comes off the injured reserve to celebrate his return to the WWE. But we fucked up the timing. We did. And Sammy Zane is back from injury and we have not recorded that episode. He beat us to the punch. He did. And he's back with a new attitude. He's a, he's a bad boy now. Right. Real, real, even better than he was before. Yeah. It's good to have him back. Sure. I like what

he's doing. Do you like the mean streak? I do in a guy who's supposedly so happy, go lucky and skanking all over the place to scour music. I do. Bailey's next. I'm predicting Bailey's next. Do you think that the hugger is going to go, going to go evil? Yes, very much so. Interesting predictions. And we were talking before we started recording about sort of, I don't know how you feel, but my relationship with conspiracy theories is not what it once was. Well, this is one of the reasons why it's kind of difficult for us to get together, to do an episode of that's what they want you to think anymore. Because, you know, that was a show where we ostensibly sat down and we talked about some sort of conspiracy

theory or paranormal type thing. I would research it and you would be like, Oh, what the hell? Sure. Cause I would always, the reality would always be disappointing behind the, the sort of fictional versions we have in our head. Yeah. And you never get, you never get any, uh, finality, any resolve. Never. No. Also, a lot of it is like, well, if you break it down, it's actually this happened and this happened and this happened. It takes kind of the sexiness away from it. But I, and also I feel like, yeah, I'm just, it's like with all the new conspiracies and you just, you're like, well, that's not true at all. But people believe and then I'm like, did I believe stuff that wasn't true? It introduces a real discomfort. Yeah.

And I just feel like they're not fun anymore. Yeah. The other thing too, I think about the conspiracy theory stuff is that like we now know where a lot of it is gone. You know, like a lot of those conspiracy worlds have funneled into like really ugly online worlds and become stuff like QAnon and shit like that. Slenderman. Those girls almost killed the kid. You take the murder out of it and Slenderman is great. I tell you what, what do they call that? Spaghetti weird? What do they call that? What? Creepy pasta. That's a creepy pasta. Okay. I'm getting old man. Yeah. My, my girlfriend Sarah is always telling me like you're saying shit wrong. Like I'm saying wrong shit all the time. I find myself in that same thing. I'm so out of here. Scary spaghetti. No, creepy

pasta. Creepy pasta. It's scary spaghetti from now on for me, by the way. I'm now, I'm now, I've traded most of my conspiracy theories for a more gentle side of YouTube. Abandoned malls. I'm in the dead mall series, big into the dead mall series. I didn't know that was a thing. That sounds great. So it's just empty malls. Dead or dying malls. Like he'll go to some that just have like, like maybe all the flagship stores but one are still open. Maybe there's an anti-ans that's still left. Very much. Yes. Okay. Or he'll be like, which happens with a lot of these malls now is like churches move in. Are churches chicken or no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:29,360 no. Oh, okay. Like churches. I guess that makes sense though low rent probably. That's what that presidential candidate that Yang Gang guy, the Andrew Yang. Yeah, yeah, he's a big proponent of let's make these malls into more than just like more community centers and stuff like that. And I was just at a mall having not no awareness of what they're playing entails. Yeah, I'd listen to that pitch. Well, I mean, it sounds like you could do schools, teach people skills, things like that lifelong learning. Yeah, because I was just in a mall, like a fancy mall up north in the North Shore here in Chicago. It's very faint. No, North Shore fancy. If you say up north, I just assume it's the North Shore here in Chicago. We're all the like

athletes that play on the bulls and the Cubs. They live up there. And this mall was interesting because they a lot of the stores that had left like big stores, like a lot of the department stores are closing and they have like a virtual reality place or like one was like a store that was gone. They replaced it with like a dispensary music store. No, not that a music place where like they had a concert stage to like your kids can go there and like for birthdays and like karaoke and play, you know, rock stars on stage and stuff like that. Sounds fun experiences. I don't know that stuff I watch instead of who killed Alyssa Lam. That's probably a better use of your time. It seems like uplifting to some extent as opposed to like you hiding under your

cover. Well, I used to get real high and think somebody was going to knock on my door. Yeah, you expressed that on something. I knew too much. You too much. Yeah. My car blew up. I was like, I don't know, Dan. Yeah, I don't know the show because of the show. My car blew up. Thanks, Ford. My car blew up and it caught on fire and it didn't blow up. It wasn't like a casino or anything. We were doing our conspiracy theory. That's what they want you to think. I think we were doing it once a week. Yeah. And so I come to the Lincoln Lodge. Yes. That you're on, I believe. I think you were doing the show that week. I show up and you tell me what, Dan, my car blew up. I got to quit the show. I can't do the show anymore. My car blew up. I didn't have the like sort of

rudeness to tell you at the time that I thought that that was insane. Yeah, well, I just respected your wishes. Look, when you're in it, you're in it. Sure. And a lot of these people are in it. It's easy to be sucked into those sorts of thoughts too. There's a guy, I have my moment. There's another YouTube guy named Wang, W-H-A-N-G. The Wang gang? Asian, no, different. Asian, long hair, cool dude. And he does a lot of like these, remember in 4chan years ago when this guy posted this and then he kind of talks about it and breaks it down and stuff like that. Oral history of 4chan? Yeah, pretty much. So I'm looking for more gentle stuff lately with all the you know, shit out there. It's so funny because I feel like the last time we did it, the world was

such a different place. Yeah, I think of the last time we actually did an episode as we tried to restart things and do the Denver Airport. Oh yeah. Maybe. I'm not entirely sure, but I think what we've been doing lately is much more fun. And that is me disappointing you by talking about times that various wrestlers have been on Info Wars. Yeah. I have crushed your feelings about Roddy Roddy Piper. Oh, that hurt. Yeah. And then not so crushing talking about Cain, the wrestling mayor. Someone else. But you expect him to be on Info Wars. Sure. Cain, I expect. Someone told me recently, oh man, I was just watching a Mean Jean Oakland shoot interview. If you don't know what a shoot interview is, it's where they sit an old wrestler

or wrestling personality down at a hotel room. It's just a tight shot on their face and they take them through their career and ask them a million questions. It's kind of like a deposition. It is. It really is. Some are more fun at it than others back in the And the idea is that they're telling the truth outside of character. Yeah. There was a window of these shoot interviews early to mid to like, you know, like your 2000 to 2005 to 10 maybe. A lot of these wrestlers were fucked up in these. I think that was the big thing. Even on drugs. Give them drugs. Give them booze. Get them fucked up. Oh, yeah. You're luring them into one where like the Sandman is asleep through half of it. All the all the usual suspects just

real fucked up. You want to know about Triple H? Oh, I can tell you about Triple H. But I was watching a Mean Jean Oakland one and he is so charming, so funny. He's not fucked up. No, not like he's just had a genotonic by his side. All right. And classy. And then the guy goes, he goes, Hey, huge, huge vote for Trump. Did you? And he goes, Of course I did. And I was like, Ah, Jean, Jean, not a big deal. Whatever. I'm gonna let it slide. He is mean. Yeah. And he's the fucking old fellow Hall of Famer. True WWE. But somebody, my buddy Jimmy Lee was, he, he, he was like, Hey, I read this story about Macho Man. Oh, no. And you're like bracing because they just did a vice documentary about Macho Man and Elizabeth. I heard Hogan had some

feelings about that. He goes, didn't have all the facts should have asked more than the people you did. And they go, Yeah, we asked you and you didn't, you were, you didn't want to do the show. And then he blocked them. Also, you're an asshole. Also, yeah, racist. Fuck. So the, in the research they had done, they were kind of goofing on him on this podcast. And then somebody wrote in and they go, they were like one, you know, that's the two. It's like, look, he's got to be racist or whatever. And they're like, and this black guy messaged them. And he's like, Yeah, actually, no, Macho came to our high school and they were doing the Pledge of Allegiance. And there were certain parts of it he wasn't down for. And he's like, this country's done a disservice to African

Americans. And they owe you a big apology. Oh, shout out to Macho Macho. Bonesaw. Hell yeah. Killing him. There you go. That's great. This episode is not going to be about Macho Man showing up on info wars. So we're safe. Well, thank God, that'll never happen. It was really, really tough for me to find another wrestler who's been on info wars. Yeah, I mean, we could have gone with Jesse Ventura. But I will tell you that he's been on too many times. And it's just, you know, it's no good. I think, do you think there's shows that Jesse said no to? I bet we could get a show. I bet we could get him and never spark a fun friendship with him. And let me tell you, and then he passes away and then you write a book, like, you know, you know, I really got to know

Jesse in the late 2019, or I could wonderful friendship, say that he beat me up at a bar. Or I beat him up at a bar. That was the American sniper thing. I'm not entirely sure how that shook out. But so I was like, Jesse Ventura is no good. He's on too much. Yeah. So I'm like, I don't know, I can't really find another wrestler. So what I was thinking is like, what about Professor Griff when he was on? Oh, I realized we already kind of talked about that. You did. My gosh, shit. That's no good. And I was like, wait, Billy Corgan, he's wrestling adjacent. Yes, he is the owner of the National Wrestling Alliance. Exactly. I was like, we could do that. But then I realized we've already covered that as well. And so I was like, we are really up against a brick wall. Yeah.

But thankfully, I found something that blew my fucking mind. And we'll get to that in just a second. But first, yes, Dan got to give a shout out to a couple of people who have signed up and are supporting the show. And we really appreciate. So first of all, Mike down. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Mike down. Mike down. That's and I'm always very impressed when names sound like they could be wrestlers. Oh, yeah, not to make everything about wrestling. I'll do my best not to. But I do love a name that sounds like like that's a wrestler right there because I always, I always think it's funny when so when razor Ramon and diesel left the WWF at the time to go to WCW, they can't be diesel and razor. That's owned by the WWF.

Yeah, they got those characters. So there was, they weren't sure what they were going to do. Like they were going, they originally were going to call him Axel and the bad guy. Oh, and then somebody was like, yeah. And then finally, that's not as bad as it could be. Right. And then finally, someone just goes, what's their real names? And they go, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash, they go, yeah, just call him that. Those are really good names. But like, what if it was like, what are their names? Like Scott Hall and like Irv Dinka wits, like, ah, fuck. Okay, well, we got half of it. Yeah. Well, there was that guy Hugh Morris, right? Yeah, that's a terrible fucking name when Austin meets him for the first time. And he's like, Hugh Morris, that's supposed

to be funny. What? I hated that. I hate that name. Yeah, drives me nuts. But you know his old name. No, when Vince Russo humongous close, very close. Vince Russo, who was a writer got brought over to WCW. And he's just an idiot. Right. And his idea with Hugh Morris was to think of a really, and Vince Russo, most of his stuff has to had to do with like sex. Think of a name for Hugh Morris, Hugh Jass. Hugh G. Rection. A man was paid so much money to come up with Hugh G. Rection. That just seems like, I mean, it's just Coke. Yeah. And then they were in a military group, and then they called him General Rection. Okay. And they had a lady with big boobs called Major Guns. Of course. Yeah. And thumbs down to all of that. But thumbs up to Rob. Thank you so much.

You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. That is not Rob Stark, because he died at the red wedding. If you recall, I don't know if you watched the new Game of Thrones. No, I'm not a, I don't, I don't watch. I wouldn't give any spoilers. All right, that's fine. But I'm watching Barry, and I love it. Okay. The bald guy on Barry. Wonderful. I have no idea. Well, someone at home doesn't they go, you're right. He's the most delightful person on television. But the most delightful person that I can think of is Kayla. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much, Kayla. Next, Wallacey Ponk. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Wallacey Ponk. Two joke names on this so far

already. I like it. I appreciate it. And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an elevated level. We appreciate it very much. So Liz D. Thank you so much. You are now a globalist. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home, and tell it. You're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomayor sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Thank you so much, Liz D. We appreciate it. Now, that just answered one of my, as a policy wonk myself. Right, right. And a long time listener. I always wonder, is Jordan doing that live or is it recorded yelling over the black Caribbean accent and always, and you told me, no, that's him saying it live. It's clean audio. He just says it over the

recording every single episode. I love it. We're creatures of habit to a certain extent. Sure. With me saying, we appreciate it. Oh, so very much. Those little verbal ticks that we have for a long time. I called everything reasonable. Those are things that people point out. Someone did a, like a cut of like a super cut of Joe Rogan going, yeah, my buddy, my buddy this, my buddy that, my buddy this, my buddy that. He's got a lot of friends. Got a lot of friends. So Marty, I told you, I found something. All right. Who am I going to lose faith in today, Dan? I don't actually know if you're going to lose faith in anybody, but it is crazy that this thing happened and the surrounding circumstances are pretty wild. So this actually doesn't have

any Alex in it. This is taken from the Info Wars nightly news. Oh, where I get all my news, of course. And this comes to you circa early 2013. And this is a report where we got the anchor of the Info Wars nightly news, Darren McBree, the voice of America. Indeed. Yes. What is his name? The most trusted newsman, the most trusted name in Edwin R. Murrow of our times, Darren McBreen. Okay. He comes in and he sets the stage for what we're about to listen to. The WWE World Wrestling Entertainment has jumped on the bandwagon demonizing tea party Americans as racist. They created a new villain, Jack Swagger, who is a loudmouth constitutionalist and racist who receives fan mail from Alex Jones. Yeah, right. So we have set ourselves in, you

can tell what time period we're in now. This is when Zeb Coulter and Jack Swagger have become characters and are about to feud with Alberto Del Rio for the title. For the world title. Yes. So Marty, do you want to give people a little bit of the storyline of this as it happened in wrestling? Yeah. So at the time, Jack Swagger, they liked him. He was a quote unquote real athlete. They liked those college wrestlers, big tall beef, big beef, dude, piles of beef from Nebraska or something like that. Corn fed beef. Yeah. Corn fed Colossus. Was his character before just sort of like American? The all American American, right? Jack Swagger, because he wasn't an all American. So that's what he came from before he made this pivot into the character that he would be in early

2013. Now, in this day and age, and even back in 2013, managers have been phased out your Bobby, the Brain Heenans, your Mr. Fuji's. The Honky Tonk Man. No, no, he was Jimmy Hart. Jimmy Hart. The mouth of the South Jimmy Hart. Excuse me. They've all been phased out. So nobody really has managers anymore. But Jack Swagger, while Jack Swagger is unfortunate circumstance was major Lisp. And you just in wrestling, it's just it doesn't play like unfortunately, I think it can play if you're a bad guy, because then you're annoying the audience. It just didn't. It just didn't. I could tell Vince McMahon was like, I can't have this guy on my show talking because you got it. That's anything to when I say that I'm saying it through

the lens that I know Vince McMahon and his lunacy. As was my comment about like him being a villain, because that's annoying. That was through the lens of WW3. They've done the fake stuttering gimmicks and stuff like that. So they think, wow, what can we do with Jack Swagger? So they grab Dutch Mantell, former wrestler, former Booker guy who kind of decides how things go. Great interviewer. The walrus of a mustache looks like a tea party member. Crazy mustache. They name him Zeb Coulter, obviously and Coulter. You get the Zeb. He used to be Uncle Zebediah. Okay. So you get the Zeb, his old name and Coulter. Okay, she's a right wing lunatic. Clearly it WB is not very subtle. No, they're not very subtle. So it's like if they're going to bring in, you know,

I mean, they had Mohammed Hassan as the Middle Eastern extremist and said he was an Italian guy and and all sorts of fun stuff like that. So they bring them in, they're cutting the promos, basically, you know, we don't want anyone taking our jobs and all this stuff. They have a real mirror of the rhetoric that comes out of the right wing. They have the Semper fi flag in the background. Gadsden flag. Yeah, they put their hand. I want everyone in the building to put your hand over your heart and repeat after me. We the people now in wrestling, when you have a fun chant, and you say it every week and drill it into people's heads, when they're at TV, what do you think they want to do, Dan champ? They want to chant it along with you. Yeah. So unfortunately,

the road dog could like get people eating out of his hands because everyone knew the fucking chance. Yes. So what happens is, all of a sudden, the bad guy who's cutting promos about this Mexican man taking our jobs and our titles and they shouldn't be over here. And now repeat after me and you have 13,000 people going we the people and they went Oh, so what they normally do when the when the heat gets a little too hot is they pivot and they start adding other people. Oh, well, that's Cesaro. He's a foreigner. Why? I don't know. And then eventually they went to real real Americans. Yeah. No, no, no, they were. Oh, my God, I'm blanking. What the heck were they called? You might have to look it up. I can't remember what they were called.

But then they put Del Rio with them. You know what I mean? Which is the thing that wrestling loves to do. It's like, well, if we're bad, why is he with them? They were God, what were they called? So they added the former enemy. Yeah, which happens in wrestling all the time. And it's kind of like, Oh, how can we be bad if he's with them? I can't. It was the real Americans. Oh, the real Americans. Okay. Cesaro and Jack Swagger, the real Americans. How dare you doubt me? I'm often wrong about Hogan is the real American. That's true. You would have think you'd have a trademark on that. Yeah. So and at the time I know it was getting Cesaro is Swiss, right? Yeah, the Swiss Superman. Yeah. So it was getting the real American. He's Swiss. Well, you know, they that's a thing with

with wrestling to especially back in the 80s. There's no need for character consistency. No, people pledging their allegiance to other countries, money or for this country's wronged me, you know, you had you had D.B. Aussie comes in and gets your sovereign or to you bought away. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he you know, you had you had Sergeant Slaughter, the Iraqi sympathizer. Sure. I remember that. You know, you had Don Carnotle with the Russians like you had a lot of people who would turn their back on countries or or just free agents. I don't care who's or pays me the most money. See, I think what you're describing, though, in this storyline is like after the point we're at in this clip, I think we're still at the point where

they are seen as bad guys. They're still this is new. This is fresh. I think it's I think it's yeah, it's fairly fresh. The other thing which really, really gets Vince McMahon's rocks off is when outside of the WWE, they're being talked about like John Oliver. But like this being, you know, people on Fox News or like, Oh, they're going to they're just like, Oh, yeah, keep talking about us, baby. We love it. We love it. That business strategy might come up a little bit later. Oh, you think so? Yeah. Someone someone might point out that this is a cynical strategy that Vince McMahon uses now. It's so ironic that you bring this up because there's a wrestler in NXT. Oh, no, I heard about that jack or digicovic. They keep changing his

name. They change his name. He's cutting these kind of what can be construed as white nationalist promos, right? Which is like, you know, they might have done a thing of like, let's just test this out at a non televised event. See how it goes. See if we can get away with this. We can get away with it because they want to claim like we mirror society, right? And they've done that before. They've also done they had like DX do black. That was that was right. Those timely. Yeah. Yeah. The nation of domination, sure, which were black militants in 97 ish to night to I don't see it being so crazy for them to have a white nationalist character. I don't want them to. But at the same time, I was over at your place recently watching the NXT. Yes, takeover

New York. This last one, Brooklyn and Walter. Yes, the European wrestler Austrian. He strikes me as a bit Nazi ish. He definitely that is not an accident. My girlfriend, Sarah, who I do my wrestling podcast with, I was introducing her to Walter. And she was like, is he a Nazi? No, same thing I asked you. Um, I mean, his like, his group is ring comp. Yes. And that I mean, comp being general, I mean, mine comp is my struggles. It definitely is a little like, yeah. And I think that's the thing with with wrestling is it's like subtle or that be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we never said Nazi. That's you projecting that. If you start Zeke Hyling or something like that, then we're in trouble. Fox contributor JBL.

John, he, he got in trouble for a goose stepping in Germany. Got in a little trouble for that guy as an asshole. Big time. But they love pushing the envelope like that and being like, well, going back to the Muhammad Hassan character, if you ever watch those opening like vignettes, they used to introduce wrestlers through these vignettes, little mini commercials for the wrestler. And they brought Muhammad Hassan and, uh, and Sean Daivari as his manager in again, uh, you know, uh, they brought them in after nine 11, uh, maybe year two after. And at first it was kind of like, Hey man, we haven't changed who we are. You guys change the way you look at us. And it was kind of interesting. It was a mildly progressive story. It was real interesting.

But then they brought him in and it was just like the music is exactly like the music in Team America. You know, they're like, Oh, here comes the evil bad guy. And I mean, just everything about that is just cringe worthy. If you look back at it now, the WWE has attended. So you know, like how the universe tends towards entropy, the WWE universe? No, no, the real universe. Oh, I'm sorry. A WWE universe. Yeah. Yeah. The universe tends towards entropy and the WWE universe tends towards minorities becoming villains. Sure. Like they without a lot of careful attention, yeah, they were, that story will end up being told if you're not careful. Yeah. Well, we with, uh, did you see that? I mean, even with the Zeb Coulter and

swagger stuff, like the past WrestleMania, Kofi Kingston, uh, won the title, right? Kofi Kingston, uh, uh, African-American wrestler. And a lot of people were talking about how years ago, uh, Booker T was in a, a program with, uh, a feud with Triple H, uh, leading into a WrestleMania match. And it was very, they were showing his mug shot. Jared King Lawler was saying all these jokes about, he's a criminal, he's a jailbird. Right. And it was very much, you know, the thinly veiled, uh, racist stuff of like people like you don't beat people like me. And you were like, well, they like Booker, when then I'm like, Nope, Triple H beat him. It was crazy. Yeah. Um, I remember that being a very like, wow. Yeah. Really thought that

that should have done everybody. I remember we all were just like, oh, that's gross. And the WWE has a fun thing of going just wait and see how everything plays out. That's their like, I don't want to talk about it. Nothing's going to change. Just wait and wait and see how we haven't done everything. Usually the fact that that with Booker T and Triple H was so fucked up, uh, made me all but certain that Kofi was going to win. They, they literally had to let Kofi win. Yeah. It would have been so fucked up. It would have been the craziest thing ever until that time. Uh, they're the only African American WWE champion was the rock. And I mean, uh, that he won the title how many years ago and he's Samoa and

Ann Black, you know what I mean? So it's just like, and it was very important for, I was really blown away by how, uh, moved a lot of my African American friends and African American wrestlers when Kofi won. It was like, I know it's wrestling and it's fake, but this is such a big deal. Yeah, it is. It's representation. It's not visibility. It's important. It's not real. This could have been done. This could have been done so long ago. That's the other part of it. Yeah. Yeah. I have a buddy who used to write for WWE. I have a buddy who used to write for the WWE, Brian Mann. And he tweeted out, he goes like, you know, you could have just made someone the champion a long time ago, right? Like,

it isn't like the Cubs finally won. Like that's why I always say why I love wrestling is because like we wouldn't have had to wait this long for the Cubs to win. And it would have been awesome. You know what I mean? But yeah, you know, yeah. Um, so we've gone down a long road. Sorry, let's get back to the real American. So, uh, Zeb Coulter. Zeb also came out on a little scooter. Right. Not at first though, right? No, no. Yeah. He was always always maybe not in those, uh, in those vignettes, but when he came out, he was always scooting. I like that. That hover round. Yeah. So I can see the world. I wonder if, because I mean, he might have been the right guy or it might have been a coincidence because after this, he was let go and then went to impact

wrestling and their slogan at the time was make impact great again. And it's like, ah, I don't think this is the slogan you got. I remember at, at WrestleCon, I was interviewing their panel and I was like, I don't know if this is the strategy we want and it didn't last long. Um, so they, they are introduced as these sort of xenophobic, uh, types. Yes. Um, and they're bad guys to begin with. Um, and, uh, then they start getting popular to the point where, uh, they do start getting a lot of people who are in that, that sort of right wing world liking them. Yeah. And it gets so bad that the two of them have to release a video where they explain, we are characters. Yeah. We are doing this to create a response. Ideally for you to boo us. Yeah. That's when you know, because this

is fucked up stuff that would say, then it's like, Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm Dan Friesen. Right. The Mahler would say that, but not Dan Friesen. That's when you know, uh, I've never seen anybody, especially in the modern times. Oh yeah, it happens. It still happens. Yeah. Yeah. It still happens. They went over to Saudi Arabia, which is another fucking story. Very messed up. And Sean Daivari, who I mentioned earlier, who was with Muhammad. Oh, that's right. There was that him and his brother, uh, came out and did a bit. And then they had to be like, Oh, we're sorry. Because they came out with like Iranian flags that they were Iranian and they were, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those moments are real weird whenever wrestlers have to be like, Hey, yeah, I don't want to

be killed for this. I don't, or I don't want to encourage something really dangerous. Yeah. We have crossed a line. There's a famous one in ECW back in the, uh, uh, mid nineties where, uh, they crucified the Sandman Raven crucified the Sandman hate, hate to hear that. I love the Sandman Kurt Angle, who was fresh out of the Olympics, uh, who was a gold Olympic gold medals for wrestling was, uh, flirting with coming into pro wrestling. And they were like, Hey, come to ECW. We'll show you the ropes. We'll get you in the business. And he saw that and was like, fuck this. I don't want anything to do with this. If you show me on the show, I'll sue you. And Paul Heyman had to send Raven out and he's like, Hey, it's Scott Levy, the character. I

play the character of Raven. It didn't mean to really crucify the guy. Like his heart was not in it at all. So funny. But that's when you know, they're like, Oh, and like, I'm sure there's old wrestlers who are like, you never do that. You never do that. You take the heat. You take it, baby. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what I would do. But that's what we call heat. Yeah. But the characters that these, that they're complaining about, or that Darren McBreen is complaining about, got so fucked up in terms of the response that they were getting, that they had to do that. They saw that as an appropriate time to break character and try and help people understand this is storytelling. You're not supposed to like us. Yes. This is fucked up.

So that's what's gotta be in Infowars Bonnet. That's the story that they're covering, but it's not just Darren McBreen who's going to cover this. They've got a special interview. Oh, correspondent. That, well, there's a correspondent who's going to interview somebody. And when I heard who this person was, it blew my mind. Okay. Infowars reporter and former wrestler, Bionic Dan Baddandi. Well, he got a chance to sit down and talk with another former wrestler, Val Venus, about this latest propaganda campaign that portrays Americans who oppose big government as domestic extremist and even terrorist. Here's Dan Baddandi. So we got Val Venus. Hello, Infowars.

I love it. Yeah. I can't believe that Val Venus appeared on Infowars. Talk about male vitality. They missed that opportunity. They were right there on the table. They did. He could, if he was willing to go on, he was willing to cut and add for them. Yeah. Val's another one of those guys you would always hear back in the day with Kane that were libertarians. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's big. He's big in the pot business. He's in the cannabis industry now. Probably a Bitcoin guy. Yeah. All that. All that stuff and more. So his right to censor character might have been more accurate than his male porn star character. I think there's still some other porn star character. I saw him wrestle at a show this

many a weekend for Joey Ryan's penis party. Oh, and he had some interesting things to say. I'm sure he did. Yeah. He's kind of a lunatic. So those of you don't know out there back in the 90s. Yes. Attitude era. Val Venus was a character who was a porn star. He would come out. Hello, ladies. And that jazzy kind of like fake porn music. Yep. And then he would come out and talk about the big Val Boski. Yes, which was his dick. Yes. And then wherever, whatever town they're in, you know, like in Chicago, they had the Sears Tower, but the Val Boski's got, you know, whatever. And then deep sears. Yeah, power. Sears power. Like, yeah, it was not, it was not very subtle. Right. Let me put my Chicago hot dog in your deep fish. And there's no ketchup on this

hot dog, ladies. I remember a storyline where he sexually terrorized Ken Shamrock by fucking his sister. Yeah, Ryan Shamrock. He was a, it was a gross character. Yeah. But it was one I enjoyed back when I was younger, because it seemed so titillating. Yeah. A Yakuza type group almost chopped his penis off. Chop it to pee pee off. Chop your pee pee off. Right. Because he had slept with the one of the one of the guys, his sisters or daughters. Also a very racist portrayal of Japanese people. Mr. Haguchi son. Yes. Yama Guchi son. He would come out in a towel, strip it off. His finishing move was the porn pretzel. The money shot. Well, the big splash was the money shot. Right. And then the submission move was the porn pretzel. Yeah. And then at some point,

he found God and joined the right to censor. So, which was a group that believed that the WWE was becoming too ungodly. Yeah. And they needed to get rid of all obscenity. This goes, this ties in with kind of what we're talking about here with when, when shit gets hot, the WWE has to call an audible a lot of times, be it them or the USA network is like, Hey man, this is getting a little crazy. You might have to kind of pump the brakes on this a little bit. So you had Godfather, who was a pimp. Yes. And Val Venus, who was a porn star. Yes. I can't remember who else. Ivory was in it, but she wasn't that bad. No, not at all. Stephen Richards. Yes. And I can't remember who else. If there was anybody else. Bulby Cannon. He was a cop. He was a cop. Also named after like a real

racist cop in the past who was in charge of the shit in Alabama or something like that. Sweet. Anyway, wrestling is so fun. There's, there's so many racist things when you think about it. Yeah, pretty much all of it. So that, that mirrored, they were called the right to censor the RTC. But at the time there was the parent television council, the PTC, who was giving them a lot of shit. Oh, so they were kind of making fun of people saying they should clean up their act by cleaning, but also cleaning up their act at the same time. Cowards. And it was like, you don't want us to censor you guys, right? And it was like, turning your favorites into these, they'd all wear white, they'd all dress, you know, like black pants, white dress shirts with short sleeves and

black. Yeah. And they were all like, don't do that. And like, if, if, you know, like Sable came out in a bikini, they would put a potato sack or don't do, don't show your body and basically trying to get you to want to not like people who want to censor people. And so it was like, you know, dual purposed or whatever. It's very strange. Yeah, dynamically. But Val Venus became a part of that. And then I kind of lost track of his career, but good to know he's still around at the Joey Ryan penis party. Yeah, that's great. Val's available for bookings. Head up Joey Ryan as evidenced by his 2013 appearance with Dan Badandi. Yes, he is not very picky about his appearances either. No, no, no. So Dan Badandi has popped up in the news recently, mostly because Alex Jones is currently

being sued by Sandy Hook families for his defamation. Oh, you don't say that going for Alex. It's not very good for him. And his harassing coverage of that tragedy. In his deposition, Alex tried to play down Dan Badandi's involvement with info wars, even implying that he wasn't really an employee. Alex even said that he told Badandi that if he didn't stop claiming that he worked for info wars, Alex would have to come out and say that he was a quote bad person. I'm not entirely sure what that means. I don't know how that's you're a bad person. I'm gonna tell everybody you're a bad person. That's very childish. Sure. Like that sort of thing. It's like, if you don't stop claiming you work for me when you're doing fucked up things, I will tell everyone you're mean. Yeah, I'll show you.

Yeah, you can easily find Dan Badandi is linked in page if you want to by googling it. And if you do, it appears that it hasn't been updated since 2016. His username, though, is info wars, Dan Badandi. Oh, shit. His job title is reporter at info wars. It was going to be I don't work at info wars, Dan Badandi, but it was too many characters. Dan's Twitter account has been suspended, but a snapshot on the way back machine shows that as late as January 15 2017, Dan Badandi had info wars reporter listed in his bio, his accounts link, you know, the homepage link is to info wars.com. And his header is just an info wars logo. Now he has a new Twitter handle, the real Dan Badandi, whereas bio says quote former info wars reporter, and he has 27 followers. Hey, in March 2014,

Dan Badandi testified in front of a Rhode Island State House meeting about guns. He introduces himself by saying quote, my name is Dan Badandi. I work for info wars.com. It's the number one alternative media in the world. He goes on to yell at the panel for quote, exploiting the deaths of the children at Sandy Hook, at which point he's told to leave the building. When you first started saying that, I thought it was going to be a wrap. My name is Dan Badandi. I report the news in a different way. After the Boston bombing, Dan Badandi showed up and yelled at everyone around who would listen to him that it was a false flag and identified him consistently himself consistently as working for info wars. How'd that work in Boston? Because I know the other guy

went to Sandy Hook and he was kind of like, this is fake. Well, that's the same guy. Oh, Dan, this is Dan Badandi. Big fan of his work. Big fan of his work. I wonder how that works. You're walking around Boston and being like, this didn't happen. It got some pushback. I found an article about a guy who yelled back at him about how like people need to protect the first of men, but people like you and Alex Jones are fucking assholes. Isn't that crazy? I someone yells something like that. You're like, well, yeah, okay. Right. In July 2015, he showed up at the Salty Brian State Beach in Rhode Island harassing beachgoers, but an imagined bombing that took place on the shores. He had an info wars microphone in his hand in the video. That same

year in 2015, Dan Badandi made a submission video to be on the sixth season of WWE is tough enough. Hell yeah. He did not get selected for the show. Although it's too bad he didn't because if he had, we would have gotten a weird crossover between an info wars reporter and a pre velveteen dream Patrick Clark. Wow. Which would have been very interesting and Hulk Hogan was the judge on that. Is that right? Yeah. Well, he was for a little bit. Then you go away. That would be just a weird firestorm of strange things. All this is to say that Dan Badandi is very much an employee of info wars and Alex was perfectly happy to employ him in whatever capacity he did for years. He let this idiot run around to bother people and yell at state house meetings because it created

controversy, attention and content for info wars because Alex never gave a shit about the consequences of his or other people's actions. And here we find him interviewing Val Venus, which I couldn't have imagined. He's clearly got to be a wrestling fan, right? He tried to be a wrestler. Okay. So he probably knows Val from somewhere or reached out to him or something. This is when Twitter and wrestling were, you know, like wrestling Twitter was starting to become 2013 pretty popular. So I assume, you know, Val was very accessible on there and I bet Val's an info warrior with or with that Twitter. I bet Val's pretty accessible. I'm pretty sure his, his DMs and his address is very open. Yeah. It's still surreal to me though. Like I never would have imagined. I mean, I don't know

as much as you do about like this back like locker room stuff where like you're saying him and Kane were two guys who were known as libertarians Bradshaw, Kane, him like very much. Yeah. I just, you know, I never would have thought that of the big Val Bowsky. I never, I never would have thought the day would come when I would see him as the other wrestler. He's Canadian also. He's Canadian. Oh good. Yeah. Nothing that matters. I just thought I'd throw that in there. So here we go. This here we're going to start this interview. And after you hear this interview beginning, I will lay the scene for you of what's going on. Okay. Hi, this is Dan Badanio, reporting for M4Wars and Nightly News. In recent news that WWE created

a brand new heel gimmick, Jack Swagger and his manager, Zeb Kulta, who preached the Bill of Rights, sparked the garrison flag and talked about the legal immigration problem going on in this country. And their opponent happens to be a Mexican wrestler who they're facing for the World Highway Championship in WrestleMania, Alberta Del Rio. Two weeks ago on Monday Night Raw, during Swagger's match, commentators Michael Cole and Jerry Lola joked about how Swagger receives bags of fan mail from Glenn Beck, Washland Bar and Alex Jones and then again highlighted Alex Jones. Could this be a demonization of the Liberty movement? And today we're going to get guests' take on this. He's a former WWE superstar, Val Venus. And Mr. Val Venus, how are you doing

today, sir? I'm doing very well yourself. Okay. So here's how to like a Val Venus style you pull the string. Yeah. Hello, ladies. Hello. So I need to lay the scene for you. Yeah. First of all, what we get from that is that you're right. Dan Badandi watches fucking more wrestling than you. Dan Badandi sounds like 90% of the wrestling podcasts out there. This would be like Dan Badandi's Welcome to Dan Badandi's wrestling world. I'm Dan Badandi. We're going to break down raw, smack down an NXT. Here we go. It would be a better use of his time than this year. Then then this harassing victims and yelling about guns and shit. Yeah. So he has a laptop that he's sitting next to and Val is on Skype on this laptop. Okay. So there's a video camera that

is facing Dan Badandi sitting next to a laptop. Okay. And if you look closely, there's a microphone sitting next to the speaker on the laptop. Hell yeah, low five, baby. They don't even have a jack to hook the thing into like some sort of audio recorder or anything. That's why Val Venus sounds terrible. Okay. Like a like a doll you pull the string of because it's just a microphone next to a terrible speaker on a cheap laptop. Sure. Now, if you pay even closer attention, you've noticed that behind Dan Badandi, you notice that he's in a room that has glass windows. Okay. And if you look through those glass windows, you realize he's at a public library. I think you're going to see he has like wrestling posters on the wall or something.

Val, when this is over, if we could just talk about wrestling a little bit, I'd really appreciate it. He is in a private room at a public library. Of course. With a microphone next to the speaker on a laptop. And if you pay even closer attention, you notice that right behind him is an old man Googling. Handpacking the keys. How does this work? It's too far away to actually see what's exactly going on. But it's an old man sitting at a computer. Yeah. So I'm left with the idea that maybe he doesn't have a camera. And the library has a camera that he can use. Okay. Or he doesn't have the internet at home. Sure. And he's using the internet at the library in order to make this interview with the Val Boski happen. I believe all of these. I don't know what

it is. But whatever it is, it's not good. Yeah, it's sad. It's not screaming professionalism or journalism or or anything like that. No, it's tough. And then also the quality of it is not good. Yeah, like Dan Badandi sitting there with a mic next to the computer. Like if I were Alex, I'd be like, look, I know that Val Venus is a huge star. Yeah, this is a big get. And I'm glad that you came through for the nightly news. The quality of this is no good. You know what? We got to get you a zoom. You're gonna have to have that. I'll call them myself. I'll call myself. Also, Mr. Badandi was trying to make it seem like Alex was the top reference. They kept beat Glenn Beck, baby. 100%. Glenn Beck was the king of the castle at the time. Glenn Beck was

red hot. And this was when he was riding high crying right now. Totally. You know, on chalkboard. The G party wave had been very favorable. Absolutely. But he hadn't embarrassed himself yet. Well, I mean, he had, but he hadn't paid the price for it. Not yet. And then made that public apology tour after Trump got elected and then become even worse than he used to be now. Yes, he just dropped a hot one on the streets with that Notre Dame. That guy is a fucking asshole. Yeah. But again, Alex, no, they weren't talking about you. This is classic infowars behavior is turning Alex into the main story when maybe Glenn Beck is far more popular than him. Yeah, I very much remember it was basically they wanted Fox News' attention. Totally. And Alex, I'm sorry,

but and you weren't one and not to give it away too much. But Val Venus understands that. And he explains as much a little bit later. And it's wide that you should no one should be mad about this. Like, you know what they're doing. Yeah, you know, the game, they're carnies. So in this next clip, Val Venus talks about how he's sick and tired of this demonization of the Patriots. Now, yeah, I just want to get a take on this, this whole thing going on with demonizing the Liberty Movement and all that. As you've seen in the WBE, what's your take on that? You know, it's one of those things that's kind of it's deteriorating. Oh, I also forgot to mention that the Skype video of Val Venus, he's in a car.

Sure. He's driving somewhere around videotape. It gives off talking to Dan Patati. Look, guys, if neither are going to take this serious, what are we doing here? To say the least, I mean, you have so many hardworking people in the Liberty Movement right now at the grassroots. They're putting their time and their effort into really developing a meaningful movement. It's an important movement. It's a very important movement, especially for America. And to see that there's a constant demonization over and over and over again. So he's not happy about that. But my response to that would be like, that's the equivalent of some liberal or someone on the left being mad about Daniel

Bryan's like eco character. Yeah, like, I don't think anyone would because they get like, this is parody. This is storytelling. This isn't, this isn't demonizing the environmentalist movement. It's just a character. These people are such snowflakes for sure. It's so funny. Oh my God, look at that. They're trying to turn everyone against us with a wrestling character. It's so on brand with, like you said, they're, they're the true snowflakes in a lot of these senses. It's so sad. Oh, you're so upset. Why are you mad, Val? Also, this, this Patriot movement that is based on the United States Constitution is so important, especially for America. Yeah, how would it be important for anyone else? Yeah, it's very much. I think Val might have been one

of the wrestlers also who Val, I think edge Christian, JBL, they all moved to the Bahamas that had to pay taxes. That makes sense. Yeah. If he's has that libertarian street. Yeah, they all moved to the Bahamas that had to pay taxes. He does say something. I remember like, there would be at one point was like, what the fuck? You don't move to the Bahamas? And they're like, technically, technically, I live in the Bahamas. Yeah, great. Thrilled, thrilled that they're interested in engaging with the sort of social contract, contract and taking care of each other. Black. So Val Venus in this next clip gets into talking a little bit about the storyline that's going on with Swagger and Del Rio. And it turns out he likes it. Okay. But the way he

expresses him liking the story is a little unsettling. I mean, I love the storyline, you know, the racist, you know, it's going to take on the, the, the Mexican at WrestleMania. So I like that storyline is controversial. But when they start flying things like the Gads and Flag, for example, in the background, and I mean, a swastika would have been a lot more appropriate in that storyline, but to actually take something that's been adopted by the Liberty movement by certain segments of the Tea Party, that, I mean, that flag is meant to be flown in the face of oppressive government. It's not meant to be flown at the border telling Mexicans, Hey, don't, don't tread on me. That's not what it was for. It was to tell government don't tread on me. So to see that flag being used

in the manner it's being used by WWE is disappointing to say the least. I have a couple of pieces of very bad news for Valvinus. Hit him, Dan. First is that flag does fly at the border when people are, you know, yelling at immigrants and stuff like that. And various elements of the Tea Party using it for that purpose. It's been co-opted. Yeah. And also, my further piece of bad news is there are segments of the Tea Party that have adopted the swastika. So don't worry, Velsi Heil you and stuff like that. They're not afraid to do that. Don't worry, Val, they haven't let you down. He might be a little bit prescient there. He might have been seeing the future, tiny.

And also what you'll notice with a lot of wrestlers. So at this time, Val was probably, probably, I mean, I would say he might have still been, so in wrestling, they'll say like, he had one more run left in them. You'll hear oftentimes wrestlers who think they got one more good run left in them. They won't go hard on the WWE. They'll be very, you know, very political. Because they want to. They want to go back. They all want to go back. They all want that one last run. So a lot of times, if you watch shows, when something happens in wrestling, you know, like Nancy Grace, when Chris Benoit killed his family and then himself, they had wrestlers on. Some who are, you know, part of the company, of course, were pro-WB.

We, this is a bad guy who did a bad thing. It's not our fault. But then you had other wrestlers on there who were like, WWE is the worst. They just, you know, they know they're never going back. And then you have other wrestlers who are like former wrestlers. And they're like, Hey, you probably have some bad stuff to say about them. And they're like, Nope, great company, always. And that's usually an indication that they, they, they want to keep that avenue open. Sure. They want to keep that door open. You never know. I mean, it makes some sense, especially in that period of time where the WWE was the biggest game in town and really the only game in town, really, for money, for making big money, the game in town. So I mean, just from, from that

perspective, they're almost being held hostage by this corporate entity that is abusive and does, in some ways, contribute to the deaths of these folks. Sure. Yeah, that is a bummer. Well, WWE kind of sucks. But you're hearing that from Val Venus, like this, some sort of sense. A little bit. He didn't go real hard on him. He keep, he prays some things. I like the storyline of a racist type in New Mexico. I mean, that's just Val being a little like dumb. You know what I mean? Because I mean, he really, he didn't even have to say racist. Nope. That's true. You know, it's more xenophobic than racist if we're choosing. I'm not, I'm not positive. I remember the entire angle. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, and, and, you know,

there's some gray areas. There's definitely gray areas. They're, I'm sure there were definitely things that were like, ooh, that's a little racist. Right. And it's crazy to think that there's like writers in a meeting being like, did we get to racist on that one? Are we still, you know, like, I wonder if they actually do have that conversation. Sure. I bet they did. I find that hard to believe. I bet they're, I bet they're, they're arguing over verbiage all the time because they script the promos so heavily now. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's probably a lot of stuff where it's like, yeah, we say this. Hey, USA Network, can we say it? No, okay. I don't know. So like, I've been teasing or not teasing, but I've been, I've been telling you that like,

Val gets what's going on in terms of like, why are you using Glenn Beck's name and that sort of thing? Because you know that you want Glenn Beck to talk about you. Yeah. And so he explains that exactly what Vince McMahon is doing. Okay. Vis-a-vis that. And there's an interesting irony that as he's explaining this phenomenon and what Vince wants, Dan Badandi is doing exactly that. Oh, nice. And Darren McBreen is facilitating that by playing this interview that took place at a public library. Yeah. And a car. Yeah. In a parking lot. Right. Outside of gym. They're giving Vince McMahon exactly what he wants. Sure. By doing this and making a big deal out of it, making a story out of it. And make no mistake too, for Val Venus, this is kind of like his audition probably in his

head of like, Hey, if I knock this out of the park, I'll be on Info Wars all the time. I would beg to differ just because of how little he seems to give a shit. I'll turn it. Well, maybe he doesn't know what it, what it, what this could turn into for him. Maybe he's kicking himself going, I would have done better on on. I have no evidence that he ever actually made the big times. Look at Brodis Clay. He's a Fox news contributor. I almost did some of those videos. He was, he's on great Gutfeld, the red. He tells people he's getting his own show because he's so popular. I mean, he's much better than a lot of other people on that show. He has a lot of charm. Yeah. I watched a couple of his like man on the street bits that he did and he actually had

some pretty funny lines. Hey, I'll give him that. God bless him. So here is Val Venus explaining the marketing strategy that Info Wars has fallen for. Hookline and Sinker. During Jack Swagg's match on Monday night, what two weeks ago, Kamte's Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler, they said he gets tons of fan mail from Glenn Beck, Rush Lombard. Then they mentioned Alex Jones's name twice. What are your thoughts on that? I mean, are they, is there something like they're trying to attack right wing conservatives radio talk shows? Uh-oh. He's against the Federal Reserve. Who would have thunk it? Yeah. So I mean, that's a, that's just a clear, like, uh, I know the game. Of course. Dan Badandi, you're a,

you're an aspiring pro wrestler. You should fucking get the business. You should understand what's going on here. I swear when I hear Dan Badandi talk, all of here are just like, all these wrestling podcasts are like, you're just like, well, what's this on YouTube or something? And they're just like, Hey, it's Tony, the wrestling guy. Like unlike man, you think if, if he was like, it's almost a parody of what this character would be like at Info Wars. Yes. It's bizarre. Yeah. We got this wrestling guy and he, I don't know what his deal is. And Dan Badandi and we're going to talk about, you know, Diane Sheik and what he did for the, for the right wing movement. So on raw, Michael Cole said something that I disagree with.

What's your take, Falvinas? It's a mess. I love the, he mentioned Alex twice. Yeah. The people wants Alex twice. That means double. Yeah. Absolutely. That means they care about Alex twice as much. And they're trying to demonize him twice as hard. Absolutely. Twice as powerful. That's the, I, you can't reach any other conclusion than that. It's such love me, daddy reporting. He is trying to impress Alex for sure. Oh yeah. And you hear him repeating almost identical things that Alex says like talking points. Yeah. Kind of like that. That's wild. Almost like he gets all of his information from Alex. Wow. So in this, I'm going to skip this next clip. No, I'm not. Who cares? Come on. Let's hear it.

It's not as relevant to anything. It's just Valvinas talking about some of his political beliefs. Yeah. Because Dan Badandi asks him about what he thinks about guns. I thought he'd slip in like, who do you think is going to win at SummerSlam this weekend? No, come on. It's pre-WrestleMania. Oh, I saw it. We're at WrestleMania season. Yeah. Yeah. We got the big build. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now he wants to know about guns. Okay. And Valvinas, what do you know? Super opposed to anybody having any restrictions on their right to have a gun. Okay. Question. Your thoughts on gun control? Oh, I'm completely against any form of gun regulation whatsoever. I mean, we can sit there and make up a bill and say criminals are not allowed to have guns,

period. The bottom line is they're going to have guns. They do not follow the rules. They do not follow the laws. And that's why they're criminals. Only people at those gun control laws are going to affect our law-abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about gun laws. This same logic could be used to say have no laws or whatever. You could attack any... Why just guns? Right. Yeah. Bombs. Yeah. But you know, if you just outlaw bombs, only criminals will have bombs. It's not a good line of thinking. No. Or like that idea of like, well, if these wrestlers all got concussions, that's on them because they decided to wrestle. You shouldn't have any money from the debut year or anything like that. It's a dumb line of thinking. It's very consistent.

Yeah. They don't follow the laws. Why would they care about a gun law? You know, if they're law-abiding citizens, they would follow that law and give up their guns. Because in the entire nation, in its insanity, you'll get a lot of these talking heads out there. You know, giving out these stats and those stats. I mean, we're talking about real life views here. We're talking about Chicago, Baltimore, D.C. I mean, it's real life. Compare that with Kensaw, Georgia. That's real life. It's not studies. That's real life. Absolutely. And all the statistics show that, you know, states that have less gun control have little to no crime. And you know, you have Chicago and New York who pride themselves on gun control, but have the worst murder rates

and crime with guns. And you know, look at Switzerland. Yeah, let's go ahead and look at Switzerland, Badandi. That's just an Alex Jones talking point that isn't true. There was a recent study that came out in, out of Stanford in 2017. There was a study that this guy did. I can't remember his name. But what he did is he looked at states that passed right to carry laws for guns. And he found that states averaged a 13% increase in violent crime, excluding other relevant variables and anything like that in the years after they posted or they passed right to carry laws. So these sorts of ideas about more people having more guns means less crime. It just doesn't stack up in terms of the real world. So I think they, I think they

mentioned Switzerland because that's why Cesaro joined the real Americans because he loves guns. He loves guns. I think you nailed it. Take away our guns. It was not very fun of you. The argument that they always have about Switzerland is like, everyone has a gun there and there's no crime. Yeah. Whatever. Do you think there's another reason? There might be. I don't know. So we have one last clip of Valvinas here and it's a short interview. I'll say. This is very short. Yeah. Badandi wants some of his final thoughts. I'm curious if Dan Badandi had to pay for this interview. Did he have to pay Palvel some money? Do you think it was a cameo situation? I think it was a cameo situation. It might have been. Yeah, I can do it. You're

going to have to pay Palmi some money. That's why you couldn't afford the internet bill that month. They had to go do it at the library. I'm taking a, I'm taking a bath on this interview, Val. They shut my internet down. I got to go to the library. Probably Alex promised to help it expense, you know, just file an expense report. Send it to my dad. We need to get Valvinas on the show. Give it to Mike. Give my dad a receipt at HR. He'll take care of it. So it's important to remember that this is happening in early 2013. So it's only a couple of months after Sandy Hook. Yeah. Which is really wild to me. First of all, that Dan Badandi absolutely is an employee of Info Wars at this period of time. I would love to hear that interview process where Alex goes,

yeah, you know what? We could use a guy like you. I bet Alex refers him as like, I got my pit bull Badandi. I'll send him down there. I'll take care of business. You got it. Yeah. Most people have to like succeed in a reporter contest. Yeah. And Alex, funny enough, has a little bit of a relationship with pro wrestling where he hired Dan Badankadank or whatever his name is here. Remember the guy in Seattle who threw the coffee on him? Yeah. Yeah. That was a wrestler guy. That was a work. He's a pro wrestler. Well, are you sure it was a stunt? I have wrestlers who have told me that's a stunt. Okay. I knew that he was like a wrestling promoter and maybe a clown of some sort. But I wasn't sure that, I mean, that doesn't prove that it's fake. But if you've heard

from the dirt sheets, I've heard from sources close to me that some white papers that that was a work. Okay. I'm willing to believe that. I mean, I have no reason to believe it was real. But I mean, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you were going to do that, that's what you would do. Sure. Use a wrestler guy. Sure. Maybe. Sure. So Badandi asks Valvinas what your final thoughts are. You got anything to close this out? This wonderful groundbreaking interview. And it's interesting where Val's head goes. But I'm almost out of time. And you have final comments? Yeah, you know, that's Sandy Hook. To me, it wasn't a matter of, oh, there's too many guns in Sandy Hook. There wasn't enough guns in Sandy Hook. There wasn't one responsible adult, not one single

responsible adult in Sandy Hook that had a firearm, a personal firearm, how many lives could have been saved, how many lives could have been saved if just one responsible adult had to have exercised their rights in the Second Amendment in the Constitution, and just carried a firearm with them everywhere they went. I mean, it's much better. The old saying goes, it's much better to have a gun and never needed to desperately need a gun and not have it. Now it's from a W. E. Superstar Valvinas. And as you can see, folks, the Liberty Movement is under attack. It's very vital and very important that we all must take part in this Liberty Movement. And this is a damn good point for the Influenced Network News. I think he clearly proved that the Liberty Movement is under attack by a

character in a pro wrestling storyline. But that clearly was not on point there. Yeah. No. All over the place. Oh, totally. I think that that last clip, though, is kind of like the best indication of what you were talking about, like Val trying to be like a little bit of a tryout. Yeah. Because that's pretty real. That's the kind of thing Alex loves to hear. Sure. The idea that someone who has some sort of vague celebrity being like, yeah, there should have been a gun at that school. Yeah. Because then they could have killed that kid who was shooting everybody. Maybe all the weeds chilled him out. I don't know. Yeah. I wonder, I wonder, I haven't heard anything lately from the old Val Bosky. I don't know. I mean, I think a lot of these people, I mean, Willie Nelson

smokes a lot of weed. He still talked to Alex. Sure. I'm sure Jesse Ventura smokes a bunch of, he talks about it. He smokes a lot of weed. He still will talk to Alex. Although, granted, those two are people who don't put up with all of Alex's bullshit. No, I think they don't cosign on everything. Not everything. Hey, man, you're saying some weird shit. I think I'm gonna get out of here, but you take it easy. Yeah. So we've come to the end of the Val Bosky interview. And I don't know if you have any, much like he had a closing thought that there should have been a gun at Sandy Hook. Yeah. Those kids had guns. Sure. Fine. Or the teachers who were just trying to teach finger painting or maybe multiplication tables. If one of them had a goddamn derringer

in their boot, then we know some teachers that we did comedy with. I'm sure I could see a lot of them with guns just taken out. My dad is a professor at UT Austin and he's horrified by the idea of people being like, well, if you had a gun, you could stop a shooting on campus. How dare you? Have you talked to some, we have a friend named Jeannie Dugan who's a teacher in Chicago. Yeah. And also a great comedian. Yeah, she has a bit about like, I'm not gonna, like, you don't pay me enough to be armed and try to take out somebody like, nah, not gonna happen. Yeah, it seems insane. The expectation that the people have of like, what the ideal situation is if there's all teachers have guns. Yeah. And the more likely thing is like, I don't know.

What about a stray shot? Like, what about an accidental discharge of your gun? Now you shoot some kid, I would like to say, Hey, Val, how do you feel about, you know, if you were on the active roster and these buildings were like, yeah, you can bring a gun. No problem. How all fans should be armed. How comfortable would you feel wrestling at Madison Square Garden or the all state arena here nearby Chicago? If everybody had a gun or even in Georgia, why the Georgia reference in there? They're like, very weird. You know, like, maybe he has a farm down there or something like some weird little city or town in Georgia. It's the same thing we saw with Ted Nugent, like he preaches about how everyone should have guns. They should be everywhere. Then he had that

concert. But not my concert. Exactly. My concert. And I'm going to be armed. I'm going to have all of my security will be armed, but you guys can't. And that's, but you'll never hear that. All you'll hear from the info wars side is, well, Beyonce's got armed guards, but she's anti gun. She wants to take your guns, but she has guys like Dan Badonka down who want to kill Beyonce. So the argument about like people having armed guards, like celebrities having guards and stuff like that. Like I don't see what the problem is with that. Those people are often cops. They're often like off duty cops picking up an extra chair, not social studies teachers or their license. Yeah, they're like social studies teachers and the lunch lady with guns. Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah,

we just had a guy at the Hall of Fame the last weekend. Oh, yeah. Ran in the ring and tried to attack Bret Hart. Luckily he didn't have any weapons on him. What have you had been armed? What if you had a knife? What if you had a gun? Yeah, it's crazy. So is that your final thought on Valvinas? Yeah, I mean, pretty par for the course. Classic, you know, old wrestler, a little bit of an audition for a job. Maybe possibly in wrestling, they call it getting your shit in. You know, like if you and I were wrestling, I'm going to make sure I do all my cool moves. Right. I get my catchphrase in and then we can finish the, you want to be sure that the showcase is about you. Yeah, I want to make sure people see what I bring to the table.

Short interview. I part of me thinks Val really didn't give a shit and wasn't Oh, he's got fucking this albatross named Dan Badandi around. He can't shine. He might have thought like I'm going to talk to Alex and then maybe he didn't think that Dan Badandi starts talking and Val is probably like, this is like every other wrestling dipshit I've talked to Badandi. Are you in a library? Badandi, are you in a library? Yeah. This is just like drop kicks and DDT's that podcast I just did an hour ago. I had a feeling when I listened to this of like at the beginning, I kind of was excited because I'm like, Val Venus, what's he going to say? Yeah. And then at the end, I was like, why did I expect anything other than this? Yeah. And I

think Val's in that, in that wrestler mentality too of like, get your name out there. Don't say no to anything. You never know what could be the next big thing for your career while simultaneously keeping like good graces of WWE. Sure. He didn't say anything like, yeah, fuck them. They're the worst. That's what they do. Race is storytelling because they want to trigger you. No, still, still, still available to come back. Marty, this has been fun. Yeah. I've had such a fun time. This has been a fun time. I hope I didn't bore people with all the, all the wrestling. I think that there's a heavy crossover of, you know, some people who listen to our show don't like wrestling that much, but there's a number of wrestling fans. I always get like, I get messages

a lot of the time, talk more about wrestling. So this is an opportunity for those people to get satisfied. I feel like you can learn a lot from wrestling. Alex is just pro wrestling. To an extent. Yeah. There's no doubt about it. I mean, in terms of that strategy of like trying to get people to talk about him in order to get publicity, what Valvin has talked about, it's exactly what Alex does. Alex is like Bret Hart during the Stone Cold Steve Austin feud, where Bret Hart was a bad guy in America in the United States, but he was a hero in Canada. Right. Alex is the same way. He's this bad guy to everybody outside of info wars bubble. Uh huh. You know, everyone else things out. Oh, they all think I'm this bad person, but

you people, you all know, you good American fight for a good fight for being attacked by Zeb Coulter and I'm doing the right thing. Alex by flattered. Oh, he's thrilled. I would assume that. Well, I mean, he had to think like this is a good way for me to also symbiotically get press. Sure. Because they've said my name. Yeah. That gives me the opening to attack them. And then they'll probably make fun of that. That'll get me even more attention or they'll have to send their wrestlers to my show and then they'll put it on their show. Like, because they love being like, Oh, this week, uh, John Cena was on the Good Morning America. I don't know if that ever happened. No, I'm going to assume it didn't happen. Uh, I mean, Val Venus is here, but he never

comes on Alex's. Yeah. Cause once they, once again, going back to the, the real American thing, once they put out that video and stuff, like that pretty much ends it in their PR departments, probably just like, Hey man, they made a statement and that's all we're going to say about it. Yeah. I have a feeling they were probably like, yeah, it's probably isn't in our best interest. And, and what's, what's super interesting to me is that, uh, this is early 2013. Yeah. And that means that it's coming up pretty soon in our, like we're covering the fallout of Sandy Hook on our show. We're at like, uh, January 8th or so, no, January 5th, uh, 2013 right now, but this is coming up soon. Zeb Coulter and Jack Swagger doing this stuff. We're going to get to see how Alex responds.

So that'll be coming up in the 2013 investigation. I'm excited to see how that plays out because Alex is going to be freaking out on air. Oh yeah. He's going to be doing that, trying to make money out of this, trying to find the right angle. Yeah. It's going to be exciting. But, uh, Marty, thanks for joining. Hey, thanks for having me. Uh, people can find your great podcast, Marty and Sarah love wrestling. Yep. All over the place. Sure. Marty and Sarah love, wrestling.com. Protect the dot biz. Yes. Um, rumble, rumble boys dot biz. Um, and then what else you got? You got, you got a Twitter. Yeah, at Marty DeRosa. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun to be on. Yeah. I'm a, uh, I'm a huge fan of the podcast. Well, thank you.

I'm bummed that I won't be able to listen to this week's or this episode. Why not? I don't want to listen to me and you talking. We did it. Yeah, you kind of experienced it. But you can tune in and see what I cut out. I would be mortified if I got a name wrong. If I said, you know, you know, Gino Hernandez instead of Chris Adams, I wouldn't be able to forgive myself. And then you text me and like, Dan, you got to re-edit the episode. Right. Um, no, uh, it was great. It was great to sit down. Great to chat. Great to see you again. Oh, shout out to Raptor Princess Maria. Oh, absolutely. You got to give the Raptor Princess you got to pay your tributes to the Raptor Princess. Indeed. Um, so Marty, uh, we got to get

out of here. Um, but before we do, we got to choose who in this episode has not killed somebody. And, uh, I mean, uh, Val Venus, probably not killed anybody. Probably not. Uh, you know what? Cesaro definitely has not killed somebody. Even though he swings people around like crazy. I can go on the record here. Cause I saw a couple of names on there. I'm just like, I don't know. Touch Del Rio. Who knows what Dutch has done back in the day. Uh, you know what? I can say for effect, Antonio Cesaro, AKA Claudio Castagnoli has not murdered anybody. But Marty, you know what? Someone who technically probably has that guy is Alex Jones.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.