Knowledge Fight - #288: January 7-9, 2013

Episode Date: April 24, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan go back to the past to continue their investigation of how everything went so far off the rails for Alex Jones in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting. In this installment, the gents discuss Alex's fictional retelling of traveling to New York to argue with Piers Morgan, and find the starting point of him talking about "crisis actors" on his show.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're Couple Dudes. So, sit around, drink novelty beverage, and talk a little bit about it. Oh, we got to do a higher register. Ooh, ooh, Deli. I don't know where that came from. I don't know where that came from, but it terrified you.

And that look on your face made me laugh a lot. It just perked me up a little bit. It just gave me a little bit of bump. We're a couple of folks sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones. Today, we get Coca-Cola orange vanilla in the house. Indeed we do, Dan. I have no idea what it is. It's a testament. It's a novelty beverage.

I don't, we don't always bring up what novelty beverage we're drinking. But this time, I thought it would be appropriate because it's a testament to how quickly I often find novelty shit and drink it. Is that you came in with this orange vanilla coke. You're like, Hey, I saw this. It looked weird. We got to try it. I'm like, I've had it already. How do you do this? I'm quick.

Do you know what I almost got? I'm at the store a lot though too. That's the thing is like, I generally end up going, because just as an excuse to get out of the house almost, like I'll end up at the store or down at Walgreens or something, you know. So I have a lot of access to what's new. Right. Right. Right. I have a Walgreens. I tried the Eminem Hazelnut because I thought it would be like a Nutella filled.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. Disappointing. Just a hazelnut. Yeah, it's not bad, but it wasn't what I was looking for. I nearly it was between orange vanilla coke, which I just took a taste of and is absolute garbage. It's not a win. Disgusting. I haven't I haven't had a sip today, but from my my first voyage with it, I can I can I can say it's not a win or the 7-Eleven branded sour patch

kids soda, which I was looking at thinking, what if I hurt myself? That was looking at that was like cutting myself. Like that was the idea. I need to feel something to feel alive, like that kind of thing. You did get that cotton candy energy drink. Oh, that was bad. I didn't think it was terrible. You left it here. I drank it later.

It wasn't terrible. Should have been way worse. Somehow it had a subtle flavor of cotton candy. It's just sugar. Oh, yeah, that's true. Anyway, this is a show where I know a lot about novelty shit and Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me, Dan. That's right. So Jordan, today is my birthday.

Well, when this comes out, I really do. This will be coming out on my birthday. Oh, yeah. This is my birthday episode. Hey, everybody. It's gonna be no different than any other time. How are you going to be? 35? 35. Wow, congratulations.

Thank you. I made it. You look great. Thanks. Yeah. Fuck you. Yeah. I mean, what can I do? I can rent a car now. Is that what it is? No, I think that's 25.

Hotel room? I don't know. Probably. I don't know. Road to president? Who knows? There is that one. Yeah, whatever it is.

35, some sort of a milestone. I don't know. Yeah, I think it's 35 president, 30 Senate, and 25 House. I'm on my way. Which seems incredibly arbitrary and stupid. I'm heading to the government. Do it. I'm not doing that.

But on this day of my birthday, I want to take a moment to say thank you to everybody who, over the last year, from 34 to 35, has been so instrumental in helping create this thing that can be my job. And I'm very passionate about it. And everybody who facilitates it and makes it possible makes it so I enter this 35th year with something far more meaningful in my life than I had years ago.

And something that would not be possible without them. And so. Yeah, so without them. What? Just sitting over here. Look, man. Yeah, thank all of them. We're a little loopy up top.

Wow, you know what? I was going to get to that. I was going to get to talking about appreciating you as well. But you're being so impatient with your need for thanks. But you didn't let me get to it naturally. And now I won't. It never happened. Yeah.

But yeah, so if you think of wanting to give me anything for my birthday, don't. You already have. But if you do want to, hey, tweet out a link to the show or something like that. Yeah, that'd be nice. That would help. We have shirts now.

Yeah, we do. We do. And if you want to find that there was some confusion, there's on the website, knowledgefight.com. There's now up at the navigation bar up at the top. It says shirts. So you can find that stuff there with that link. Wonderful.

But in the spirit of thanks and appreciation, we'd like to start this episode as we do all of our episodes with a prayer. No. It's time to pray. With a thank you to some people who signed up and are supporting the show. We really appreciate it.

So first, Brian, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Brian. Thank you very much, Brian. Next, Brian. But with a y, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, Young Bay. Next, the Soros Foundation, for definitely not being globalist soul vampires. These names are getting a little long. They are getting a little bit interesting. But we thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you, Soros Foundation, for definitely not being globalist soul vampires. Yes. Next, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who took their donation and bumped it up a little bit. So, Carissa, thank you so much. You are now a globalist. I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars. Don't honk your mouth and tell it you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomayor, sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. Thank you so much, Carissa. Thank you very much, Carissa. Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated and bumped it up a little more.

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He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much, JT. Thank you, JT. If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I'd like to support the show, like with these gents. You can do that, much like there's a link that says shirts.

There's a link that says support on our website, KnowledgeFight.com, you can click that button, and it will do. So, for my birthday, there was only one thing that I wanted for my birthday. What's that? Answers. So, I decided that...

That was a great line read. Thanks. Damn the torpedoes of the present day. It was already, we've already spent too much time going over last week on our Monday episode. I was considering doing a Wacky Wednesday episode for this, but who cares? I have more important fish to fry,

and that is back in the past. Early 2013, Alex Jones, looking at what he was up to in the aftermath of Sandy Hook. I had the feeling that we were about to get to something, and for my birthday, I wanted to get to that thing, and we'll see if we do. Today we'll be going over the days of January 7th through 9th, 2013, and here are two out-of-context drops

that seem to be like contradictions. I don't like scammers. I don't like people that organize themselves and run hoaxes. Okay, well, here's this other out-of-context drop. No, I don't like John Rappaport. Okay. I really, really don't like scammers.

Fuck, I love John Rappaport. All right, deal with that, Alex. All right. So the 7th, we don't have any clips from, because Mike Adams hosted. Right. And the reason was- The Health Ranger.

That's right. Alex Jones was out of town. He was in New York. What was he doing in New York? He was going over to do Piers Morgan's show, where he yelled at him about how 1776 will commence again if you take our guns. He acted like a big old baby asshole

and was roundly mocked by people for his display. And then they shook hands and everybody went home winners, I believe. Maybe, I don't know, there seemed to be like, I don't know how much that was a staged fight. I think Piers Morgan didn't enjoy what was going on. I don't know, it's hard to say. But Alex did that.

And if you wanna hear our coverage of that, we went over it like a year ago. So we have an episode that goes over Alex's Piers Morgan interview. I think it was from December 31st. I think it was actually from New Year's of 2017. So if you go back, you can find what we thought about that interview.

And you'll never know what we think about Mike Adams hosting the show on the seventh because we're not talking about it. So we jump in on the eighth. And Alex gives a preemptive excuse for why this episode may not go good. Ladies and gentlemen, I have had two hours sleep on the plane, got up at about four this morning,

took about a 30 minute nap in the hotel room, got up at four because I was working through the night filing videos and then got on the plane. Maybe something hour and a half. So total of about two hours. So bear with me today. Thanks for breaking that down. Our plane landed about 35 minutes ago

at Austin Berkstrom International Airport. It is the eighth day of January, 2013. I am your host Alex Jones. Hey Alex. That was a lot of timestamps in a very short period of time. We got a half hour at the hotel. We got an hour and a half on the plane. We landed 35 minutes ago.

It's the eighth day. Come on. That can't be true either. I've been to Austin's airport. I've been to Alex's studio. I know that you couldn't have landed 35 minutes before he's on air. It's just literally impossible.

That's true. I would say our max, I mean, especially considering you're saying we landed 35 minutes ago. It's like you don't get off the plane for another 15 after you land, Alex. What are you fucking talking about? Get out of here. But who cares?

That's just me splitting hairs. He's tired. Yes. And that may or may not come into play throughout this episode. But you know what? He feels good. He's tired, but he feels good.

Energized. And one of the reasons that he feels good is that he thinks he nailed it on Piers Morgan's show. Of course he does. But his praise for himself is somewhat restrained. Uh-huh. I doubt that. So I was pretty wound up once I got on the broadcast.

And I give myself about an A. Not an A plus. Not a B plus. Not a B minus. I give myself about an A. And, um, what I wanted to do was point out that we have a foreign globalist here in our midst and that Diane Feinstein. I had a whole bunch of stuff I wanted to get to.

And I got to a lot of it, but not all of it. And today I'm going to read over some of the, like I have some notes that are in my wallet. I'm not sure where I put my wallet. I may have dumped it out there with my, with my phones, but I had some notes that I wanted to thank you. I had some notes I wanted to go over. In your wallet?

Yeah. Just notes in your wallet? Just keep notes in your wallet. I wrote, uh, wrote my plan to attack Pierce Morgan as an international globalist in our midst on a napkin, uh, from the airplane. And I put it in my wallet and I forgot to take out my wallet. So I forgot to tell them a bunch of things

that I really think about how he's an asshole. Yeah. Uh, good. I give that an A. I feel like when you pour one out for Harris Wittles on the, I'll give myself about an A as a humble brag. Yeah. God, I mean, it is a little bit.

I always, I feel it's always presumptuous to give yourself an A. Like, why? You can't give yourself an A. Only other people can get, you can give yourself a B. Can you give yourself an A? I allow that. Yes.

Okay. I think that is the, the height of, uh, hubris and self criticism. Yeah. I give myself a B on that. Giving yourself an A is unheard of. That's, that's, um, that's Icarus levels of, uh. Yeah. Can you imagine the idea of giving yourself an A plus?

Like I, I 100% nailed that. Input on, from any other human being, I don't need anybody to say, I did a good job. A plus self esteem is perfect. That's why I'm saying he's restrained. Yeah. You know, he could have. Could have.

He's the only person who's in charge of this grading system. That could have easily been like A plus. Fuck you. Isn't that what happened with the bribery scandal that's going on right now? Didn't everybody give themselves an A? Somewhat. They paid other people to give them an A.

So Alex talks about his, Peer, it's on, uh, Peer's Morgan. Just talks about how great he was, uh, and, uh, you know what? We don't, I mean, who cares? Yeah, you, you, you know what he's saying. You saying I was awesome. He tried, he wants to take your guns. I stood up and I told him, you're a stupid Brit. All this stuff.

He did say that. The only thing I think that is really interesting about his, uh, sort of retelling of going on Peer's Morgan is he kind of admits, uh, that he only started that petition to get him deported to get Peer's Morgan, uh, deported for attention. Yeah. Which of course we knew that, but it's nice to hear Alex admit it. You know, I told him, he said, she want me to port it right before it went

live. And I said, no, I did that to get attention to the fact that, you know, you're trying to take our first amendment, obviously, Obama, by the way, the White House responded at the end of the show saying they'll, they'll respond officially, which they never do to petitions they don't like, but they were forced to on this one, a hundred something thousand signatures. But that obviously free expression is our most important value. The guy is involved in operations against this country.

And obviously I know he isn't going to be deported. So Alex says that he's bringing attention to the fact that Peer's Morgan wants your guns and that's a fine way to phrase it. But what he's talking about is I wanted attention. 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,560 I knew that this would be something that would, uh, you know, in the same way that, uh, when Marty was on, uh, Val Venus was explaining about, uh, uh, the sort of wrestling strategy of like, Oh, we'll talk about

Glenn Beck and Alex Jones and they'll talk about us on their show. Yeah. The ping pong of, uh, publicity going back and forth. That's the same thing. Alex knew that Peer's Morgan will probably talk about how Alex wanted him deported. Right. Boom. We got, we got this whole thing going.

It's going to be great. Yeah. As far as him executing his plan, I would give him an A. I would give him an A minus probably because he should have yelled a little less. I think, I think, well, as we'll see, there's some backlash from his listeners, uh, on this episode. All right.

There's, uh, some people thought he looked like a buffoon. It would be, it would be the height of hypocrisy where I to criticize anyone for amount of yells. That's true. Not me. I've been pre-consistent criticizing you and Alex for yelling way too much. Okay. Uh, but that's only, that only comes from a self-critical perspective.

Cause when I was a younger man, I was a yeller. I was very, very loud and people would consistently, uh, insult me and, uh, like maybe feel like shit about how loud I was. And it made me, uh, it, it turned into like a little bit of a complex for me. Just why I, I have a deep voice, but I try and speak much softer, uh, nowadays. Anyway, I would yell if I could, but people beat it out of me. Well, actually I probably wouldn't. I'm kind of glad they did that.

Surprisingly enough, I came to it later in life. I worked, uh, with, uh, the elderly for 10 years and gradually and gradually it got to the point where everything I do is loud. It's sort of just job training that led you there. Exactly. Um, so Alex in that clip too, is saying that, uh, the Obama's and the administration, uh, were forced to respond to his petition to, uh, to pour Pierce Morgan while he was in New York.

Uh, and Alex is going to use that to thread a conspiracy about Pierce Morgan getting the Obamas to respond to it because CNN is full of, uh, uh, uh, CIA was CIA. Yeah. And the FBI did say Pierce was involved in operations against our country. I think Pierce, uh, and, uh, like Pierce specifically and everyone around him more generally, that's the, that's the picture Alex is presenting. Yeah, I cut most of it out, but a lot of the episode involves him telling

not true stories of his time there. Talking about how like there's poo smeared on the walls around CNN. Why did you cut that stuff out? Cause it's, I want an, I want an insider's view of a 30 rock. Cause it goes so long. It's just, he's rambling. I was wondering. I was there five years ago and it was a pristine media operation.

Now there's shit on the wall. Everything is a disrepair. The place is so pentagrams in the bathroom. I, if there was nothing else to talk about, I probably might have kept some of that in, but there's, there's more, there's bigger fish to fry. Um, like this next clip where Alex explains that Paul Joseph Watson has been telling him that he is all over the press in the United kingdom. Gotcha.

The UK cannot stop talking about Alex. Enough of Alex, which leads Alex to talking about some books that were written by Churchill and Alex makes a startling confession about whether or not he's read those books. Every newspaper in England Watson tells me, including the physical ones that he's seen have this on the cover or close to the cover. And it's all how I've attacked the British people. No, the British people have been taken over by globalist and used to fund

their worldwide empire while sucking you dry the host. And now they sucked England dry by the end of World War one. Now they've moved on to us. Okay. And that's when the British empire moved over here. He wrote three different books on it. Winston Churchill, the history of the English speaking peoples. I've only read one of them.

I read the latter one. Cause I wanted to know that history. Why haven't you read all of them? The, you wanted to know the history of the English speaking peoples. You, why was that what he wanted to know? I guess I didn't want to learn the, any other speaking peoples. Well, no, I mean, like why didn't he, there's three books. Yeah, that, uh, that, uh, tell this, uh, this story or whatever.

Alex is asserting that the British empire got done sucking off the UK or whatever. And then I moved over here. Right, right, right. He uses as a source for this, the three part, the three volume history of the British speaking peoples, English speaking peoples by Winston Churchill. I've read one of them. Alex, your whole thing is that you've read everything.

Don't admit that you've only read one out of the three books. Well, he had to go switch and finish off the history of Chinese philosophy by Dr. Feng Yulan. He couldn't, he couldn't not, you know, you can't put that off any further. I, I, my, my, my, my perspective on this is entirely, you haven't read that one. Why don't you just, why, why not just say all three? Even the one that you claimed to have read, you still haven't read. I don't know what's going on.

Everything he says he's read is a lie with the exception of like a couple books and most of the science fiction he references. Well, I don't understand. In for a penny, in for a pound. Lie about it all. Yeah, say you had three. So like I told you, he talks about the, the big poo smeared on the wall at CNN and all that stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's not the, that's not the most interesting, false version of him going to New York. That one comes in second. It does. Because he tries to turn this into like a, a, a thriller, like a novel, a spy thriller. Michael Crichton is getting involved here. I don't know. Elmore Leonard, maybe.

Oh, we're going full it. There's a good writer. There's some, there's some elements of like noir in this. This is nonsense. This version of Alex is going to New York, but it's kind of fun. One of the main producers was crying and then screaming at me. Other women were hyperventilating. Men were bowing up.

And at the end of it going out, I'm like, Hey, I'm an American. Stop acting tough. And I told the security guys are like, come on with us downstairs. And I said, I want to go out in the shopping mall. Such a goons army. I don't want to go out the back door, Bloomberg's people. And the guy looked at me knowing he's like, that's where you're going. You're going out there with them.

I go, I don't want a confrontation. And we caught one of the guys on tape. I said, do get your camera going. They're like, you can't film in here. I go, we got to protect ourselves. And you're coming out. There's one over here and one over here. And they literally turned, start talking into the little end pieces,

you know, into their sleeves. And then they got turns and then walks into a wall and just starts walking up against the wall and do is like, look at that. And then there's other ones like an engaged movie going, Hey, that's him. And I'm like, cab and the cab stops when we jump in. We didn't go back to other hotel. We were getting in case when we got there, they had guys in not the Bellman. They had guys in suits that were only at eyes for us.

And I said, let's get our stuff. We went to New Jersey, got on our flight back there in Newark. And I mean, there were fans on the plane. Folks, and you know, I don't just get up here. I go to Bilderberg. I get followed by guys in black sedans. I've been arrested. Yeah, Jim Tucker plays it down when he got shot at.

And that was in mainstream European papers. We was in Portugal, stuck in Bohemian Grove. Got a question about the secret service that's been physically attacked. I mean, I don't build this stuff up. Let me tell you, my dad calls up and he goes, you need to get out of there. I was a gab. We're already packing. I hear there's a lot of candy in New York.

You've got to get out of there as a dentist. I must do that. And my whole family, before I even left, so we have a bad feeling. And I just want to thank you all for your prayers because, you know, these were not these may actually been mafia they sent over there. But I mean, you know, the police detectives in New York pretty much look like mafia characters on a movie. Anyways, this is insanity.

It's ridiculous. This is a level of paranoia and just complete fabrication of what like we saw in the end game. It wasn't it was that you're yeah, it was I can't remember which movie it was. The end game or one movie. Yeah, they are one movie and a nightmarish hellscape in my memory. Yeah. But that that part where he thinks he's being followed and it's just a guy

tried to go to Chili's. You know, there's stuff like this is so good. This is your like the time that you decided to put your evidence publicly forward of someone following you. Yeah. And it's that I don't believe any of your stories now about you being followed all that sort of bullshit. So like, I just hear this and I'm like, that's a good story.

If you want to put that into fiction, if you want to write that into some sort of a novel, great. That didn't happen to you though. I specifically my first parallel to that is Marco Polo bringing back stories of an island people who have no hands or feet and their faces were where their chests used to be like it is bananas. Yeah, yeah, I get it. You're you're some big old explorer and you feel like you got to tell

people a good old story. But maybe you just went to New York and shouted at Pierce Morgan. That's fine. That's still a good day. You know what, too? I think that he's relying at least slightly on knowledge that most of his audience has probably never been to New York. Oh, of course not.

And so there is maybe a little piece of it that is like, I know that you guys will believe me on this. Yeah. That's pretty fucked up. It's like, it's like an Amish person coming back from the rum spring. I saw the world, gentlemen. I don't know where that voice came from. Not a good, not a good, not a good, not a good Amish.

Yeah, except that those people probably wouldn't come back and be like feds chasing me everywhere. Their versions, their sort of falsified versions of the outside world might be closer to accurate. So Alex says that these detectives are basically mafia in New York. Of course. And then he talks a little bit more about mafia. This country's just in so much trouble, ladies and gentlemen.

I mean, they're just used to everybody being in fear of them. And I'm sorry. I mean, I'm from Texas, folks, and the mafia never did too good down here because people would rather die than be your slaves. I mean, that's just who I am. What about cartels? Do you count those as mafia? Well, there's that, but he would blame that on Mexico.

But I'd be the first to admit here, Jordan, that there's not as much mafia activity in Texas as there is in, say, New York. And part of that is just due to immigration and settlement patterns that were seen in the 1800s. Pretty much everyone from Europe arrived on the East Coast, and not all of them ended up heading any further west from there. That's normal. That's reasonable.

Yeah, that's a good explanation for why the mafia, if it was formed in the Italian communities, didn't end up being as endemic in other cities outside of the East Coast. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't mafia in Texas. Salvatore Maseo created a huge organized crime operation out of Galveston, beginning in the 1920s as a bootlegging operation, eventually growing to involve all manner of illegal schemes protected by bribes to corrupt government officials.

You got to diversify. That's a good call on his part. True. Closer to where Alex grew up, the Civello crime family was in operation in Dallas from 1921 to 1990, neatly covering the years when Alex would have been living in Dallas. Interestingly, the head of that family, Joseph Civello, was friends with Jack Ruby, the Dallas nightclub owner who killed Lee Harvey Oswald

after he was arrested for killing JFK. That is interesting. There have been strong indications that Ruby was involved with the Dallas mafia, but it's never been established that that explains why he killed Oswald, though I wouldn't be surprised if Alex has made that argument to the past. Why not? Also, it's on the table.

Also, the song that Alex sings very frequently when he's coming back from commercial, Eastbound and Down, Roundabout and Truckin', there's a line in that song. There's beer in Texarkana. The boys are thirsty in Atlanta, but there's beer in Texarkana. And the reason for that, now granted, that movie isn't about prohibition times. True.

That movie is about how Coors didn't have preservatives in it, and so it tasted better and people needed to run Coors from states where they could get it to states where it was illegal because they had preservatives in it. That's why. That's why. Yes. That's what I really don't remember that being a plot point.

That's why they didn't have Coors in Atlanta. Gotcha. But they did have it in Texarkana. Gotcha. Now, so that's not necessarily about prohibition, but it harkens back to those times because in Texarkana and around there was where some of this bootlegging operations were run. There's a history of that in that part of Texas.

Yeah, most bootlegging operations were organized crime of some sort or another, not necessarily the mafia. Right. But the reason that that story is more interesting than just a guy who needs to get preservative free beer across somewhere is because it has the archetype of these beer runners from prohibition times that came from Texas across. So like, and that's not all of the prohibition booze running, but it was a piece of it.

These these families in Texas. Of course. So anyway, Alex should know that if he sings along with the eastbound down all the time. Anyway, the mafia did exist in Texas. This next clip, Alex, is something that is so crazy and made me waste a lot of time looking into. There's they set up these panic tents every flu season for the flu epidemic, like it's a movie. You know, they do these emergency drills and then they show you these tents

and they go, my gosh, it's a pandemic. Twenty nine states report high flu rate activity, at least 18 children die. And again, oh my gosh, 18 children don't ever go out, folks. There are 315 million people, most children. And I've had medical doctors on and on of the statistics on this that end up dying. Have been filled with hundreds of vaccines already have organ failure. Most are amputees have cancer. You name it.

And then the cause of death from exhaustion. The old days, they would just say exhaustion, malnutrition. Now they say flu, because that's the trendy thing. They tell you 35,000 dire of flu in the United States. Real numbers are about 300. What? Pull this up. You can go.

You can go pull this up. Go pull it up, Jordan. Pull it up. Okay. All right. That is crazy. That is bananas. That's insane.

Him saying 300 children dying here is that's still crazy, but he didn't say that. Because he said 35,000 deaths a year. But only 300 real deaths. Right. Where 35,000 is sort of in the median or like in the middle of sometimes it's lower, sometimes it's higher, but that's nuts, man. Last year, the number of deaths from flu and flu related complications was 80,000. Like that's official statistics.

I would have been more inclined to believe him had he said we talked to doctors and went over the statistics and just ended the sentence after most children die and just put a period. I'd be like, okay, fine. That works. They're all dead. Most children are dead. Great. Good doctors.

So I dug around a little bit and I can't find even a nutty website that's claiming 300 people die of the flu every year. No, because that's ridiculous. I have no idea where Alex is getting this information from. But if I had to guess, I would say it's probably Dr. Rima Labo, the woman who comes on Alex's show and sells laminated cards that say no vaccines, please. Yeah. No vaccines, please.

She does sound like ground zero for crazy bullshit like that. She called herself a doctor and she sells a $35 card that says I don't want to be vaccinated. It's a good scam. And she also hawks nano silver on her website, which is a similarity with Alex's market business. And she's also married to General Stubblebine, who Alex loves. All of them are crazy. I did also find a post by Barbara Lowe Fisher, another of Alex's stupid anti-vaccination guests that seems to suggest that there were only quote between 600 and 750 influenza deaths

recorded annually between 1995 and 1997. This post cites CDC information as its source. But the CDC information it links to doesn't match this conclusion at all. The information she links to isn't even a chart of death totals. It's of death rates. So the table might. So like the table says for one year, 864 is listed as the total, but that like for 1998, that's what it says, 864.

But that doesn't mean 864 deaths. That means 864 per 100,000. Right. Seems like a large part of context to put together. Well, I don't know if that's like what she's misunderstanding, but it's definitely possible. Because all the information that she links to is that and it doesn't say what she claims it says. This 600 and 750 flu deaths in these years. That doesn't, it doesn't make any sense.

She also posts a link to a table from Merkola that does back up her assertion. But the problem is that this Merkola is a shady ass anti-vax outlet, propaganda depot, and Merkola uses the same CDC information as a source for their table as Barbara did for hers, which doesn't say what they're saying it says. If I had to guess, I would say that this is just an intentional or possibly more worryingly and unintentional misunderstanding about the difference between deaths and death rates. Even so, her fake number is twice what Alex's is. So I have no idea what's going on with that.

Bottom line, this pack of assholes is wrong. And what they're saying is super dangerous. The flu kills a whole lot of people, particularly children and the elderly. That's just the reality. So I'm going to go ahead and punt on working anymore to try and figure out where he got that 300 number from because I can't find it anywhere. Bananas. Yeah.

I also also the very concept, the very idea that all medicine across the entire United States is conspiring to blame upwards of 30,000 deaths on the flu that had nothing to do with the flu. And only 300 actual children died of the flu. The worldwide conspiracy would be unbelievably difficult to even slightly hide. Yeah. More than one doctor would at least come out and say, you know what, I remember none of my patients dying of the flu. So I guess none of them are dying of the flu.

I think that there's probably a conversation you could have, but these people wouldn't be willing to have it because it would be nuanced. And it wouldn't get them excited. But the idea of understanding a little bit better how it works in terms of like flu related complications and stuff like that. Having a better understanding of why those statistics are lumped in together. People who straight up die because of the flu and flu complications. Like understanding that better would be a better use of people's time.

I think all of these people like Alex would be better to do that. But it would be nice. Instead 300 people died. Understanding things is not really their forte. And the efforts towards which are actually something that they fight tooth and nail against. Creating existential dread of a fake plot against white people. That's all that's going on here. So stupid.

So anyway, at this point, sorry, that was kind of a little bit out of left field because Alex is bringing that stuff up and ranting about it was also a little bit out of left field. So it just came up as him just ranting about nonsense. Now he gets back to CNN. And I believe Aaron Dykes is in studio. One of his reporters is sitting around with him. I'm not sure if he chimes in on this clip or if it's later. But just know that Alex has a little bit of an audience in studio for this.

They're creating this mass guilt that we collectively got owners. We killed these kids when I meant to say this is why I kept getting mad. They created the victim disarmament zones in those schools. Alex, it was great to see someone go in there like Jesus did to the corrupt bankers and the old churches in the days of the Bible and turn over the tables and say this is a matrix breaking through moment. This whole system, I never said that in the office. I said that to Rob do and he said, and I wasn't going to do it. I said, what if I overturned the table like Christ?

And it was almost like then they didn't want to even be at the table. It was weird. They wanted me out there. I guess I have a lower view. It made me look fatter. Okay. All right, man. Little, little vein. That is petty. Little vein. I would, I would definitely give a Pears Morgan show about an A if they went out of their way

to make about about an A. I don't think they need to, but the, the idea that first of all, it's crazy that Aaron Dykes is sitting in there and he's being like, it's kind of like when Jesus went flip the globalist's tables of the like, hold on, hold on. Already we need to pump the brakes and he's comparing that to what Alex did. And then Alex's response, I would give an A to the response if Alex was like, now hold on, that's getting a little bit crazy. All I did was go in there and have an argument and yell at this guy.

And said, he's like, holy shit, I can't believe you said that. I never said that at the office. I told Rob, do that. That's what it felt like. Like, oh God, not only is he like reaffirming and doubling down on the idea that he's like Christ for doing this. He's like, I can't believe you thought about that because I said it privately earlier. You, you made my beliefs come to life. You made them happen.

You made them true. Yeah. I manifested that. So that's crazy. But that gives you some sort of a sense of his messianic beliefs about himself. He's talked about going to Israel. Yeah. And like, I hope he doesn't because he would get Jerusalem syndrome so fucking bad. Oh, like, he would, he would think he was Jesus.

Oh, that's true. Yeah. He would be. Oh, shit. Actually, now I do want him to go to Israel because maybe he'll stay there. But now that I've said that out loud, I don't know if that's a real thing. Like Jerusalem. Yeah. I've heard it discussed, but maybe.

Oh, whether or not it's an actual thing. Yeah. I think it's a lot. I don't know if it's an actual thing, but I the way that I've heard it used is very similar to people like talking about how Madonna came back with a British accent. Right. You know, we were like, all right, lady. Yeah.

We got it. So this next clip, Alex discusses what happened at the end of the interview with Pierce Morgan and much like his version of like, there were detectives following me everywhere. I was, I had to get out of that city skewed for my life. This also is not true. Pierce Morgan threw shit at me. He might as well have not told him.

I mean, told the story yet. You're making it up now. At the end of it, he said, no, that's the way I do the next thing. I said, oh, you're checking down. He goes, yeah, I said, we will defeat your tyranny. He laughed at me. You think you will the first time I saw any life out of him. I said, you're nothing but a gangster.

It's been run to ground here in the United States. And pretty soon, nobody's going to want you anywhere in the world. You're scum. His face just started twitching like this. He was like a plastic person. I don't think the elite are really reptiles, you know, like some people think, but that's fine. That's their view.

But it was almost like I was going to pull a plastic mass off. And he just looked emaciated and they're like race. All these globalists you see them, they're like, they're weak. Point of order. Alex had David Ike on his show two weeks prior to this. The idea is I don't think the government's reptiles like some people think, as if you have some sort of a fucking high ground on David. Hey, look, believe whatever you want.

But I don't think they're reptiles. I just think that he's wearing a plastic mask that I can remove to see his face underneath. Of course. His face is twitching. Come on. I just think he's a character in Mission Impossible. His face was twitching with fear about the integrity and strength that Alex manifested. He is so used to people bowing down to his globalist British accent.

And Alex said, no, sir. I will believe the first two sentences of that story wherein he says, are we done here? Are you a coward? And Pierce Morgan goes, yeah, sure, whatever. Yeah. And then he goes, you're fucking rain is over. And then Pierce Morgan goes, yeah, okay.

Whatever. And laughs at his face. Yeah. That is where the story ends for me. It definitely feels like whatever it was was dismissive. Yeah. Very much so. So Jordan, here we are January 8th, 2013.

We've been doing this investigation into the days after Sandy Hook, not because I wanted to have a real long build to find out how Alex felt about CNN's headquarters. That is not why. We've been trying to figure out when Alex goes the full mile in being very awful about Sandy Hook. Okay. And he's been pretty bad so far. Yeah. We've heard him say pretty strongly that he believes that it was at least a false flag staged

in as much as the the government came in and like made lands to do it, killed him as a Patsy or whatever. So far we still believe people died. Yes. Well, we always did. At this point, Alex is not saying anything that would make you think otherwise. Right. Here we go.

Here's what Alex says on the happy birthday. Thanks. By the way, no, we didn't touch this story. There's now, but we saw the same thing. They have these reenactors that do these fake shootings all over the country to create the perception of a mass killing sometimes unannounced. South Florida Sun Sentinel, FAU professor shares conspiracy by disputing New Town Massacre and is saying there were at least some actors there.

They're definitely coaching people. I'll say. Yeah, exactly. I think your mic soft will be right back. Looking back. So, Alex. Why are we playing music that literally sounds ominously like he's about to say that there are actors there?

It's really good. Yeah, it's almost good production because it feels dreadful. It feels like, oh, no. What are you about to do? So much so that I didn't notice it. Like it just felt, it felt right. Yeah. Like you thought maybe your head was adding in there while he was just talking regularly.

Oh, no. This is the first indication of where this is going. Yeah. Like this is where the Crisis Actor narrative is entering his world. January 8th, 2013. So it only took, what, three weeks? Yeah, about three weeks. Two and a half, three weeks.

Yeah. So let's see how this develops over the course of the episode because now that he's gotten, most of this time has been about talking shit on Piers Morgan. Of course. And good on you. Enjoy, have fun. Again, we're all on board for that. Right.

So at this point about, you know, the middle of the show or so, he starts getting into Sandy Hook more and he takes some calls and one of the callers that he gets actually brings up a piece of information that will be a huge narrative that Alex uses, but it's not yet. Yeah. Have you noticed how all these reporters, when they're supposedly on the scene, it seems like they're standing in front of a screen or something like they're in a studio. Like whether it's Fox or CBS or MSNBC, all their reporters, when they're supposedly on the, on the scene, I don't know.

I mean, to me. Sir, I have CNN footage from the first Gulf War with them with a blue screen because they sat over the live feed before it was added in claiming it was live and they're joking, eating food, smoking marijuana. Have you seen the fake Iraq war footage CNN? I mean, then it came out. They even had a PBS documentary about it. I mean, it's totally, they weren't even in Israel.

Yeah. They even had a director there in one of those tall chairs sitting there. I mean, a director joke. No, I know. And that's why you've got major professors now, you know, coming out in mainstream news saying that there were clearly actors there. That's a really good actor. Again, I haven't touched that.

I'm going to be honest with you. We've looked into it. It looks pretty bad. Oh, no. There were clearly some people killed there, but they also CIA talks about it in Northwoods that you have some actors on the scene to actually manage it. And then it turned out they had actors also at the 777 bombing at the bus. They even had a drill and they even hired a group to run the drill.

And that was even admitted. I know it's just I know and the little sheep can't even understand it. I mean, they don't have any idea. So that's bad. One of Alex's big Sandy Hook narratives and the quote unquote anomalies that he talks about is the idea of Anderson Cooper's nose disappearing. Yes. And then he's in front of a green screen when he's interviewing a Sandy Hook victim.

Of course. Family member. Now, it's interesting that his justification for believing that is this misunderstanding he has about the Gulf War, the green screen thing, which we talked about is nonsense. He just doesn't know what the place where they were reporting from looks like. Yeah. He was confronted with that information in his deposition. And he's like, doesn't really have an answer for it.

But you hear that you hear the pieces of that narrative here before he has what he needs that narrative for, which is the arguing about Anderson Cooper. That's fascinating to me. The defense is here before that he got an assist that he's got a John Stockton called into a show gave him a narrative that he can use later on for Anderson Cooper. No, not that. The idea that his callers are feeding him stuff that he ends up internalizing and using. No, that's not surprising to me at all.

That I think I've seen a bunch. Yeah. Or at least I have good reason to think I've seen a whole bunch of times. What I think is surprising is that the caller isn't even talking about Anderson Cooper's interview or anything like that. He is just talking about this in general. And Alex is like, yeah, absolutely. I know about that from the Iraq War stuff.

I don't know. I think I see what you're, I think I see what you're getting at. I've heard this conversation that we just listened to 100 times. As justification for Anderson Cooper thing. We don't have Anderson Cooper yet. I've not heard this as a justification for other things. As just a standalone. No, not really.

Right now, this is a non sequitur. This only exists in Alex's rhetoric, at least in the periods that I've listened to him, about Anderson Cooper. To hear it without Anderson Cooper is weird. That is weird. That's weird. That's all I'm saying. That's weird.

What is this guy doing? What is the caller up to? Who knows. But then to hear him say at the end there that, you know, some people died there, but some were actors. That's not good. Yeah. That's dipping the toe.

Yeah. I'm going to give him about a C on that one. I'm going to give him a F. I'm going to give him a straight up F. You fail. This is bad. Because he has no reason to say that. No.

Now, now it's interesting that he talks about actors at the seven, seven bombing and other things. Hold on to that thought because we're going to discuss why that's fucked up here in a little bit. So who was the professor that he was referencing? Oh, okay. We'll get to that too. Was he a major professor? Who does that mean?

Is that a rank? He was tenured. So that's kind of a major professor. I'll give him that. So before we get to any of that, let's, I want to dwell in Alex being kind of shitty for a little bit. And I think this next clip is really shitty. But see, they even planned for the Psy out to come out because there were real people killed

there. I've looked into it, but some of them, and then that way they can trot out the real families who are, who don't know and go, look, they really died. Do you see how, see how sophisticated they are? And then here I am, just some guy that lives his life fighting this. All of you can beat them too. I'm not that smart. God bless you, sir.

Yeah. You're not that smart. True. So the problem that this introduces is how do you know which ones are fake and which aren't? You know, like the idea of like some of these survivors are real, but some of them are fake. The Supreme Court said, I'll know it when I see it. That's pornography. But you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. That like back during the idea that some people were actors there and then some people are legitimate victims, all that does is give cover and allow people a plausible permission to say anyone is fake and anyone is an actor. Well, anyone could be an actor. 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:50,480 So everyone has to be treated like they could be an actor, guilty until proven innocent. Yes, absolutely.

So that mindset is really the only thing that you achieve here. You're going halfway towards allowing everyone to be a fucking actor and be fake, but without having to take responsibility for that and still be able to hide a little bit like, I said that you guys are real victims. Some people were. I don't know. You're just being tricked by the fake ones among you. Right.

Fuck off. Why don't you guys wear a fucking button, huh? If you don't want to be harassed. Or if you were a real victim, you should be on our side against these other fake people. Of course. The fact that you're not makes me think that maybe you're fake. Of course. Maybe you're one of the actors if you won't join up with the truth movement.

How come you aren't pointing out who's actors if you are, if you guys are real? Totally. Yeah. That sort of thing is so fucked up. Also take your mask off. Face is twitching. That mentality. They're all Peter's Morgan actually.

So what you hear in that clip is Alex saying that he does believe that some people died there and some people are actors, but that's a facade. That isn't good. To me, that clip is him adopting this narrative. Yeah. Yeah. It's over. Even though he's saying that he believes that some people died there still. Why? Who cares?

Yeah. That is window dressing. That is bullshit to me. Now, I still don't think that he's as far as he's going to go. Oh, no, of course not. But this is a watershed episode, I think. And maybe part of it is because he's so tired from going to New York that he's not being cautious with this.

Could be. But also the timing of it does match up because an article about this professor was posted on Infowars that day. So maybe it's just one of his interns found this story. It's about a week after the professor started talking about Sandy Hook and Crisis Actors. I think functionally, once you open up all of the, once you open up the victims to harassment by association, by saying that they may be actors, they are all going to be harassed.

So functionally, it's no different from saying some are actors or all are actors because everybody who's going to receive the consequences of it is already in play. 100%. And it's one of the reasons I'm glad this isn't a legal show or anything like that because I don't know if that's illegal. I know it's shitty. We can look at this and we can see like, oh, wow. Okay, here's where the dam broke, basically.

But I don't know if what he's doing is illegal. Like I still don't, at least at this point, I don't know. I don't know if it's okay for him to say these things. I'd rather he didn't. But I don't know. In the court of douchebaggery, I will pronounce him guilty as fuck. I think that's fair. So a caller now calls in and asks about the idea that Lanza left his gun in the car,

or one of the guns in the car. And Alex gives what appears to be a restrained answer to him, and then it goes real bad. Anything else, Mike? Yeah, well, that's the thing is I'm a Sandy Hook thing. I understood that the AR actually stayed in the car. Can you clarify what actually happened with what was actually used? Buddy, I'll tell you this. I am not going to tell you what I think because they're waiting for me to do it.

But I told my entire crew, hold back, and just let it all come out, and then we'll cover it later. I told you there's a lot of stuff I don't get into because I can't 100% prove it. But my good old boy guts, my spidey sense, is never wrong. I'm only wrong when I don't follow it. South Florida Sun Sentinel, FAU professor stirs controversy by disputing Newtown massacre, communications professor known for conspiracy theories has stirred controversy that he's questioning known liars. What?

He's being conspiracy theorist. Wait, what? I mean, if you didn't get in the yellow Volkswagen with Ted Bundy, you'd be a conspiracy theorist. He probably told young women that, oh, don't worry about me, baby. I know there's been some kidnappings and murders, but here are conspiracy theorists who don't get in the car with me. I mean, I'm going to put this wire around your hands now.

I got this gun to your head. He'd still tell them to don't resist. You'll be all right. And they still could have fought. But they just wanted to believe, okay, everything's going to be all right. Yeah, let me get this gag on you. We're going to a shack up in the hills. I'm going to take real good care of you after I torture you for two weeks.

See, not me. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to keep my guns and I'm not going to put handcuffs on. If you believe, if you can believe this, he rambles even further off course after this. Really? He doesn't really get back to after his sort of Ted Bundy fantasies. He doesn't really get back on track, but the caller is calling in and asking about whether or not this gun was taken into the school.

Alex doesn't know at this point. The AR was the shotgun was left in the car. But Alex doesn't know at this point. And so there's like that answer of like, I'm not going. I don't want to say what I think right now or whatever that is should have been his line all along or entirely. It should be. Let's wait and see what happens.

Let's wait until the information is out there. That sort of thing. But without missing a beat after he says, you know, everyone's waiting for me to say what I think he gets back to the story of this Florida professor who says that people are crisis actors. And then the article says that he's a conspiracy theorist and Alex attacks the idea that he's a conspiracy theorist. What is what gets him off course into the Ted Bundy fantasy? Yeah, he has a weird first person narrative that I don't, you know, as a, as a, you know,

literary device, I think it's great to be able to get inside the mind of your character. But from time to time, maybe you're just talking about what you want to do. It feels a little like that. Feels a little personal. That caller has the most info wars caller voiced. Like it's perfect. It is exactly what you would imagine what an info wars caller would sound like down to the accents, the, the like, the speed of it, the way that he trails off at the end.

God, that's the perfect info wars voice. Yeah, a bit. I'm less interested in the caller as I am in Alex's the way his brain is chaining these thoughts, whether or not it's intentional or completely subconscious. I think that it's a pretty strong indication that what he wants his audience to think he believes is mirrored by what this professor is saying. Yeah, absolutely. It feels from a structural standpoint of how that, that train went down the tracks.

That seems to be what he's saying. I don't think that's an unfair assumption. No, he's playing coy. He was reading through the article whenever it came upon them questioning why he was saying what he was saying. Right. He was like, anybody who questions the official story is considered a conspiracy theorist. It's kind of like saying, I'm about to question the official story.

I'm getting in front of you calling me a conspiracy theorist. In this next clip, I think you can get another pretty strong sense that Alex agrees with this professor. If you're a new listener, you're like, I don't believe that or if you're a media, you've got Lexus and Axis. You've got all the systems. Just go look it up. We did your line.

But so that really gives me a strong sense that Alex is trying to, I think it feels like he's responding the way he does a lot of times when something new comes up. And he's like, I've known this for a long time, almost trying to one up it. Like we saw him do that with QAnon with fake Zach is intelligence or Zach trying to reclaim the Q storyline. It feels like he's getting ready to do that with this. The idea that this professor has come up in his world and saying like there's these crisis actors who are actually what's going on.

This whole thing is fake. I think Alex might take that as a little bit of an affront and be like, I've known that forever. Which is a problem. That sounds like a normal kind of progression for him where he would never have gone that far. It's possible he would have gone that far. But the impetus is almost always for him to kick the ball another 10 yards down the way is because somebody else went a little bit further than him. Like it's an evolutionary arms race for him going back and forth with everybody.

But whether it's evolutionary and motivation or some sort of just like acknowledgement that he has internally that if he doesn't, he doesn't have a place in the market like whatever it is. I need to be more extreme than other people or else. What good am I like? I'm not I'm not interesting as a news reader. I'm interesting as someone who's more crazy than other people. That's true.

So if someone is coming in with this level of crazy, I eat full boy that I'm screwed. That's not good. So Alex keeps print. He's been bringing up this Florida professor who is at FAU, Florida Atlantic University. This guy's name is James Tracy. And I believe that this episode is the official beginning of the crisis actors narrative on Alex's December 19th episode from 2012.

We heard Alex suggest that Robbie Parker was acting like an actor in his press conference. That was pretty troubling. But it also came a bit off like a like it was a stray thought. Now with the introduction of James Tracy into the proceedings, we have we have Alex taking these ideas much more seriously. In late December 2012, a very a number of very obscure blogs were starting to propagate theory that victims and survivors of the shooting at Sandy Hook were actors. They're basing this off a website run by a theater group called Vision Box,

who offered crisis actors for hire. They offered experienced actors who could improvise within the framework needed for the drills that they would be included in. This isn't anything new. They were usually called role players in the past, and they've been used in these sorts of situations forever. The only thing that was different about this, it seems, is that the name was new, crisis actors. And it was sounded like something that was way scarier and people latched on to it.

Yeah, it really does. It really is an unfortunate name. Well, one of the things I was reading over a bunch of like people who are emergency responders, and they're discussing the use of role players and crisis actors. And one of the things is like, especially for medical first responders, you need someone who can act. Because yeah, you know, like if you're running a scenario where for training purposes and like you have people who are first responders, who are showing up, and someone is like,

I have a heart attack that doesn't help them diagnose on the fly. But if someone is able to have like the presentation of my arm is jangling in a certain way, then you can use that otherwise. You can have little clues of how diseases or a condition presents allow for people. So the idea of using actors in situations like that is obviously exactly what you would do. And it's not something that's uncommon or hasn't been the case for a very long time. But the calling it crisis actors and these people offering them on their website made people create a bunch of bullshit ideas.

Oh, that's so annoying. So that was in late December 2012. These weird obscure blogs started talking about it. And at that point, most of the attention being paid to the sort of ideas coming from sources that were decidedly on what I would call the project Camelot side of the spectrum. Motherboard did a little bit of a deep dive into this and they point out early instances of the crisis actor argument came from particularly one place was off planet radio website. And they had a blog post that said quote, the post said that Sandy Hook was a drill alongside

the suggestion that quote, the time stream aspect is more compelling given the interval of seven days prior to the December 21st 2012 solstice. Ritual bloodletting is the cabal's method for intoning power prior to key time events, especially when a coordinated to lunar and solar based events. It's important to coordinate your lunar and solar based events. Right. So you have this idea being a part of a lot of websites like that that are that are like they're talking about this being part of time streams and the Mayan apocalypse type shit like

tying in a lot of these sorts of ideas. And that's how the seed of this theory germinated. But it wasn't where it stayed. On a January 1st 2013 post on his blog, James Tracy wrote quote, after such a harrowing event, why are select would be family members and students lingering in the area and repeatedly offering themselves for interviews? A possible reason is that they're trained actors working under the direction of state and federal authorities and in coordination with cable and broadcast network talent to provide Taylor made

crisis acting that realistic realistically drives home the events tragic features. James Tracy by virtue of being a college professor legitimized these ideas and helped take them out of the world of what I would call chocolate loving raptors and into a world of things college professors think are worth considering. Yeah. It's a very big difference to have lunatics on time stream type of blogs. Even though you can have lunatics who are college professors. You bet.

But it gives the veneer of credibility. I think we know one very intimately well. Yeah. The veneer of respectability and plausibility had been added with the inclusion of a college professor as well as amplifying the theory well outside the obscurity that it was in before. As Motherboard points out quote, a search on Google trends aligns with this timeline. Searches for crisis actor only register on the site after Tracy's blog post. Motherfucker.

Right. God damn it. But James Tracy's reach isn't even close to what Alex's was at this point. Alex Jones discussing the professor's quote reporting is a major piece of the crisis actor narrative spreading. And based on what I can tell, I think it's a really troubling development to see this. Even Tracy's writing about the topic didn't raise it to a level where you might call that sort of an idea culturally relevant.

But the signal boost that comes from that theory being discussed as if it had any credibility on Alex's show is huge. I support strong teachers unions. I mean, he was a tenured professor. Exactly. I'm here's what I'm saying. I think tenure is absolutely necessary and important. And maybe we should also have in the contract.

If you deny a major shooting happened, then 10 years revoked. Well, he did get fired. Okay. He would go on to be fired from his position at FAU, but after he challenged his firing, a jury ruled that his firing wasn't the result of his posts denying Sandy Hook. And thus it wasn't a First Amendment issue and the firing was accurate and correct. So he was a tenured professor. And as such, he knew about the rules in place that said he needed to report other sources

of income to the university, which is blog qualified as since he brought in the required level of money. Additionally, he used university equipment to record his personal podcast without reporting that to the school. They fired him for not following their rules, not because of the disgusting things he said, while not following said rules. Right. There is a difference.

Tracy uses the exact same arguments as Alex does about how he's just questioning things. Some of his questioning techniques have been sending Lenny Posner a certified letter demanding proof that his son was ever alive and that he was actually his father. This was in response to Posner filing a copyright claim on one of the pictures of his son that Tracy was using to push his conspiracy theories. When Posner didn't agree to his bullshit demands, Tracy used the non-response as evidence that people are covering things up and that they have something to hide. Because if they didn't have something to hide, how hard would it be to prove that that was

your son? Fuck you. Exactly. That's how hard it is. Go fuck yourself. Exactly. What James Tracy was involved in was harassment, pure and simple. He was directly harassing victims' families, and Alex Jones gave his ideas a platform and

helped spread them. On January 8, 2013, Alex and InfoWars posted a write-up of Tracy's theories on their website. And since then, he's been cited as an expert on InfoWars in tons of articles, ranging from covering crisis actors at the Boston bombing to just weird opinions about Egyptian politics. Not sure exactly what. What's going on there? Cece?

I don't know. As recently as November 2017, InfoWars has posted articles discussing his firing as being a free speech issue and amplifying the perception of James Tracy's persecution. God damn it. This is all a load of bullshit. And I would say that I bet anything that Tracy will show up as a guest in the near future, but that would be unfair because I already know that he does. Yeah.

Well, of course. Of course. Of course he does. Yes. How could you not? We got the kid who smashes fucking piggy banks. Of course. Of course we're going to get Tracy on.

The meme kid. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to get that. So that's this guy. I will say in Tracy's, the only thing I have to say regarding Tracy's firing is that yes, he probably, he did get fired and he did not follow the rules, but there are probably ways where they could have given him a slap on the wrist as opposed to completely firing. I would say that denying a school shooting is probably a factor in why they enforce those

rules so strongly. I would say that it possibly is. And I don't really give a shit, but I don't think I wanted him to be fired without it. I wanted him to be fired for it. One of his arguments is like, they didn't like me because I said these things and they wanted me gone. And to me, like, I just hear that and I think, well, then you fucked up even worse. Yeah, exactly.

If you're going to be saying this shit that like these victims are actors and stuff like that, you better be squeaky clean. Yeah, exactly. Cover your bases if you're going to be a dick. That's important because otherwise. That's a t-shirt. Well, because then you open up the door for them to fire you for cause. Whereas if you hadn't done the thing that they can fire you for,

then you could say this shit. And if they did fire you, then you would have a free speech argument. There you go. Because you didn't because you're so fucking stupid, which is probably why you're doing 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,280 Yeah, which is why you're believing this shit in the first place. Yeah.

01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,600 So now the other thing I told you, they flow from each other. Yes. I told you to keep in mind the seven seven bombing and that sort of thing where Alex is saying that actors were used there and stuff like that. Yeah. After these blogs and James Tracy and them started to talk about crisis actors being used at Sandy Hook, the ideas started to work backwards. People started to make theories after these ideas came out about past events having actors

at them. I did not know that. But those arguments weren't used when those actual events happened. So there's a retconning. Exactly. Bullshit. You can't do that. There are arguments that are starting at around this time that relate back to past events

as opposed to we talked about it back then. Bullshit. Yeah. Bullshit. I call foul. I want there should be a propaganda board where you at least have to be like, no, no, we can't do that one. Right.

And I think that Alex probably did talk about the idea of like, well, actually, I mean, I know he did. You know, he'd talk about like people doing the shootings were an actor or something like that. Not an actor necessarily, but someone who was put up to it. A patsy. Right. Yeah.

Right. That sort of idea. A Manchurian candidate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That type of idea or something like that. They put all the vaccines in them and they give them the bipolar medications and then they just shoot people. Right.

So he's used those sorts of arguments and he's used arguments of false flags, whole cloth of like that. You think it's this party, but it's actually a different party who's doing it to rile up antagonism against the party you think it is. Right. Like that's sort of an idea. But the idea that there were actors who are victims and stuff like that, I don't remember hearing that in other times prior to this in Alex's coverage of other things.

You know what? That's, that's really interesting because it never occurred to me. Like it never occurred to me to think about whether or not I'd heard the crisis actor narrative before Sandy Hook because I was always just like, I just assumed if we had heard, if we were hearing the crisis actor narrative around Sandy Hook, that means that I've probably heard it before, but I don't remember anybody. Yeah, you're right. I don't remember anybody calling like, nobody at Columbine was a crisis actor.

I think they were after 2013. They were after 2013. I don't know if, and I would be real stupid to sit here and tell you that this was absolutely the beginning of it because I bet that those sorts of ideas did live somewhere, but the popularization of it and the application of it to past events absolutely did happen. Yeah. And again, I can't say for certain that Alex is 100% doing that, but I know that the conspiracy world did engage in that behavior and it follows that Alex probably did do some

of it in terms of rewriting some of his narratives to fit this new hot conspiracy angle. Yeah. That's, I, because it's just, it seems like one of those things where it is a fun factory like, when did the crisis actor thing start? And then they find a new neighbor from 1910. Well, the name certainly didn't happen until this point because it was based on this vision box organization that was offering crisis actors. So the, the very idea, very can't have existed before, before this point.

That's fascinating. But the, the thematic pieces behind it, some of them could have existed in, in various places, but not to the level that it did afterwards. And as somebody who was hanging around conspiracy blogs and message boards around this time, I do remember it like taking off like wildfire and being a new idea. Yeah. Like I remember the idea of crisis actors coming up and it being like, oh, this is something new to look into as opposed to like being like yet again.

Yeah. That, that sort of thing. So I mean, it's, it's really weird to think about and I'll definitely do more looking into this as we go along. Because now that it's in Alex's, like Uvra. Yeah. That box is, that box is open and it's never closing. No, I don't think so.

No, we're, we're having, we're stuck with crisis actors until there are no more actors. Yeah. So Alex gets another caller who wants to talk about Sandy Hook and I, man, I don't think this is good. Gary in New York. Call me Gary. Gary on the air. Thanks for holding brother. What's going on, Mr. Jones?

I was, I was praying for you last night. I need the prayers. It was pretty crazy. You went to New York. That was the video when you, when you put it on late at night. It was, I wouldn't put it past the CNN or NYPD. I just had a couple CNN comments that tie into my Sandy Hook comment. Even though I know you said you didn't really want to, want to catch on too much.

Well, I mean, here's the deal. We, we've seen about 12, 13 smoking guns that are just each one of them. Look, look, look, the Batman shooting, I'll say totally staged on drugs. Now confirmed DARPA mind control. I mean, the guys in a mind control program were the department of defense DARPA brain interface grant. I mean, and I just keep going from there. So look, the good news is you guys have all figured it out.

So just go with it, brother. But go ahead. That's a really bad end to that response. No, that's no good. So Alex is saying that we have 10 to 13 or whatever, smoking guns about Sandy Hook. That's a lot of smoking guns. So you would usually, you only need one.

You would assume that that is him saying is fucking fake shit. Yeah, exactly. And he's saying that the Aurora shooting is fake. So that is trying to transpose that idea onto Sandy Hook. And then at the end, he says, you all have it figured out. So go with it. Everything that you believe is 100% correct. I, I don't even need to bother.

Now go with it. Go ride. What does that mean? Get on out of there. Give them a call. Go bother some people. Go find out who's who. Go take, go send certified letters demanding that people prove their

children, other children. Yeah. And give me a money order while you're at it. Also be awesome. That's all I'm asking you to do. Be best. Be best. So in this next clip, Alex gets off that Sandy Hook topic

and he starts rambling about how he knows Charlie Sheen. Not that, not that. Well, that's fun. Not that interesting. But he talks about one time he was on the phone with Denise Richards because he was hanging out with Charlie Sheen. Yeah. And he's like, oh, you want to talk to Denise?

And so Alex gets the phone and he accidentally insults her without knowing it. Last time I talked to her, Charlie Sheen sitting there, was sitting around his pool and he hands me his phone. He says, say hi to Denise. They talk all the time. And I'd been there like six months before and I said, because I knew her pug, because it stays at both houses.

I said, how is this a bug? I forgot the animal popped in my head in a minute. I got pictures of him and stuff. Real sweet pugs. I like dogs. Oh, and the phone goes click. And then I hand the phone back to Charlie. He kind of went, eh.

He's the kind of guy who doesn't really say anything. He was on heroin. And then like a month later, I'm in the grocery store. And it's something about her prized pug dying. And it was that pug. Aw. Why am I even telling this story? Because I am sleep proud.

I'm going into the fourth hour, ladies and gentlemen. That's the kind of stuff that I worry about. I like, oh my God. Pugs. Denise Richards, who I haven't talked to since. That was like a year ago or something or more than that. Thanks. I made a joke about her dead dog.

Oh, that dog's name is going to pop in my head as soon as I'm off air. Anyways. Get that dog's name out your mouth. Um, all I hear is guilty conscience. Alex killed that dog. That's my theory. I have it from good DHS sources. That Alex killed Denise Richards dog.

And then, uh, Denise Homeland Security. Yeah. And then he called her and gloated about it. How's your dog doing? Obviously, I don't believe any of that, but it is crazy how much dead dogs. There are so many dead dogs on Alex's show.

How is it possible that dead dogs just, they, they come up way more than like would be statistically, uh, reasonable. You think it's nuts. You think a lot. You think, I mean, I don't know. We've never talked about dead dogs. Not, uh, outside of Alex. Not outside of Alex talking about dead dogs.

That's fair. Yeah. Man, Alex has a, do dogs die when they're around Alex for a length of time? And you know what I just realized as a, you know, we're listening to this and I'm like, Alex talks about dead dogs all the time. It's like, yeah, Dan, all you're doing is cutting out every time Alex talks about a dead dog. Not true. Cause recently Alex talked about doing this exact same thing that he's talking about with Denise

Richards to Jake or Logan Paul, when he killed Logan Paul's dog. Well, maybe. Okay. Legend. When Alex was on Logan Paul's show, he brought up, uh, or he made some joke about his dog and Logan Paul's dog had just been eaten by coyotes. What? So, no, that's awful.

So now we know that allegedly Alex can control coyotes. No, what I'm saying is that he talks about dead dogs even more than we talk about. He'll talk about them. That's nuts. Pretty wild. So, um, Alex is, you know, earlier he said that, uh, you know, 13 smoking guns, Sandy Hook and, you know, Aurora was fake and therefore Sandy Hook was fake. In this next clip, he gets a, like a really fundamental piece of information wrong about

the Aurora shooting and it makes me think that maybe I'm not going to trust you about other stuff. And it goes on. He's charged with 166 counts of murder, attempted murder. Well, he killed 166 people and that's interesting. I thought it was 14, but it's 12. The reason he said attempted murder, there was a bunch of people in that fucking theater. Yeah.

That's what, what are you trying to be glib about here and then get the number wrong? If you don't know how many people died in this event that you're weaving a massive conspiracy about, I don't believe you about the other details. I know that it seems like a trivial thing. The difference between 12 and 14, but if you study this stuff, if you're researching it the way that Alex says he is, then you know that you know these trivial details. Like if you and I were extemporaneously talking about Sandy Hook and you said that 29 or 30 people died or something like that, I wouldn't think that that was an indication that you don't know

anything about it. It's an indication that you don't study it. Yeah. You're not putting forth some sort of a crazy theory about Sandy Hook. You have permission to be off about slight details. Yeah. I got the detail wrong because I didn't really pay. I didn't really read into it before we did this show.

I would rather you know details, but the fact that you don't doesn't mean that it's a damning indictment of your opinions about X, Y or Z. So long as I get the gestalt idea behind it, whatever my theory is. It's sure. Yeah. But it is a damning indictment for Alex. For sure. He, if you.

Also, I can't handle this. Also, if I understood correctly, was he was he marveling that there were 166 counts of murder and attempted murder, but only in his words, 14 people died? Does he not realize that if you open fire on a closed movie theater, you have committed attempted murder on everyone in that movie? I think he doesn't understand that. He doesn't understand that even if you weren't shot or even come close to getting shot. That could just be a reading comprehension issue though.

That could be. Like, cause he's, he's, he even says attempted murder. He even says attempted murder. Right. I think he's probably just dumb. Everybody in that movie theater, let alone just, yeah, all of them were attemptedly murdered. Yeah.

So in this next clip, he gets back to complaining about Sandy Hook stuff. And he talks about how RT is criticizing him a little bit. Cause as we know, he's mad at RT at this point cause he hasn't been allowed back on yet. And he will be on in a couple of weeks, I believe. Yeah. I'm not, I don't remember the exact date that he goes back on Max Kaiser's show, but it hasn't happened yet. So he's still mad.

Still mad. Gotcha. And this is some of the other early conspiracy narratives that he's weaving. Some of these shows like, like the RT show was like, oh, you know, Alex Jones and people say there's multiple shooters. Those were five year olds that saw that. No, it's helicopter video. It's on record and they won't say who got arrested.

I heard the police dispatch as they're talking about two shadows running by, how they have the one guy detained, but there's others and they're, that's police. It's not five year olds. Yeah. You're misinterpreting all that stuff though. And I mean, RT said that on the day of Sandy Hook, they said that Adam Lanza worked at the school. Well, they didn't have his name or anything, but they said that the shooter worked at the school. So like, who cares?

Like, oh, you can't defend yourself for making a conspiracy out of misreporting at the immediate aftermath of something like this. You, you have to give enough, you have to be enough of an adult to understand that some details are going to be wrong, particularly in police scanners, because they are raw, just people responding to like, check this out, check this out. You, we need, we need bodies over there or whatever. And when they say two shadows, that could be the two reporters that were in the woods or the two reporters who were trying to get to the school.

Or Peter Pan lost his again. Right. Or, uh, Drogon flying over. Fucking knows. There are explanations for all of these things, but in the time before those explanations are publicly known, Alex is able to do this sort of bullshit with it. And that's sad. It is.

But, you know, at least we don't really support this kind of stuff in as a country. It's good to know that, you know, shows the, that spend all of their time debunking lies and making sure that things are taken care of are really prominent and shows that lie about things are unsuccessful. You know why we're fucked though? Because, because we don't spend all of our time talking about Piers Morgan. Like we, and I, I mean that specifically and generally, you know, metaphorically and literally, because literally we should spend all our time talking about Piers Morgan being an asshole.

A ratings would go up. He is an asshole. But more metaphorically, Alex has this kind of embarrassing incident happen on CNN where he yells at Piers Morgan and then he spends most of this episode just talking shit on Piers Morgan and being like, that guy's a fucking asshole. They tried to kill me in New York. They tried to fucking kill me. I had to stare down with him after the interview when his producer was crying and I told him

that you'll never take down the Republic. All this stuff. If we did that metaphorically with our everyday lives, you know, like we could go, we could go all the, you know, just, I don't know. We got to, we got to really ramp up our creative nonfiction. I go to the store and some guy comes up to me and says something and I turn it into like, standing up for truth or some bullshit. If we did that, then I think that we'd probably have a lot more allure.

That would make a small talk a lot more interesting for sure. Definitely. You were lying all the time. Hey, how you doing today? I just fought off three men in the grocery store and they were info wars fans and they had they had gullets around their necks and they were, they were hung before I knew they were ghosts. I went to Home Depot to buy some seeds and almost didn't make it out of there. A plant tried to eat me.

I drove two miles over to South Bend and I was killed. Pray for me. So the other thing that Alex does that's very successful probably from a rating standpoint is spend a lot of the episode in a Piers Morgan British affectation doing an accent. Yeah. Well, of course. And also he can't stop calling him a snot nose. He just talks about snot noses and talking about like worshiping the snot in his nose and stuff like that.

Worshiping the snot in the. He loses track of. He's the, he's the great fardal job or whatever it is. Whatever. Yeah. So I wanted to make a super cut of all the times Alex said snot nose, but I didn't need to because he kind of did it for me. I love this Forbes.

This is another snot nose article. They think because it's snot nose and all the other snot noses go like they're snot nose cult. They go, we're snot nosed. I mean, literally it's just like we'll be snot nosed. There's no tyranny in America. They're not taking any of our. I tell you, Jones is bad. And then they drink from Piers Morgan snot.

So that, I mean, that should give you a sense that 20 seconds is pretty indicative of a lot of him. Like just, he says snot nose probably a hundred times. That is an uncreative insult. Yes. Drinking out of Piers Morgan's nose. Yeah. So we. That's good.

That's good imagery, I suppose. Not good. I can, but I can really see it. I don't, I don't enjoy it. So we have here the eighth, I think is the turning point in Alex's coverage of Sandy Hook in particular. Because we're seeing this, this professor being introduced to the proceedings and we're seeing him amplify this and respond to it in a way that indicates to me an adoption of some of his ideas. Now we'll have to see exactly how it plays out.

And I wanted to, by looking at January 9th, which we'll get into now. But instead of continuing that stuff, he really just continues talking about Piers Morgan. God damn it. It's almost like, it's almost like he doesn't even have like the whole Sandy Hook stuff is tossed off. It's just like, oh yeah, this is, this is all there. But I, my show is really about shit talking Piers Morgan. Well, it's not as big of a priority for him because what Sandy Hook is important to him

as a way for him to get attention to himself and mythologize his own quote unquote battle or whatever in support of gun rights. Right. There's much more publicity at this point in him doing stuff with Piers Morgan than there is in Sandy Hook stuff. So he puts that a little bit on the back burner while not ignoring it necessarily. Putting it on the back burner in order to get really into the mud with Piers. Because on the eighth, the evening of the eighth, Piers Morgan did another episode of his show.

And a lot of it was talking about how Alex Jones was a huge asshole. God, they're both stupid. They're both fucking stupid. But they're both trying to get the same thing out of it. I know it's so stupid. But they're trying to see do as much as they can to make their argument with the same source material. So Piers Morgan has people on to talk about Alex is stupid and all this stuff.

And he's an asshole for yelling at him. And then Alex on the ninth covers Piers Morgan talking about him on the eighth. They're talking about it. They're so scared of me. It's still like that. Throw them, throw them both off a meteor into the sun. It's a stupid propaganda dance. But it is kind of contained a little bit.

You know, like it's not like most people are interested in the conversation they're having. No. But that doesn't. A lot of snot noses are that. Totally. A lot of them. A lot of them drinking out of everybody's noses. And that gives Alex the appearance or the idea that he is the biggest thing in the world.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, the biggest story in the country right now is my appearance Monday night on Piers Morgan. Last night, the Daily Show responded. Conan O'Brien responded. So he's the biggest story in the world because the Daily Show and Conan have made fun of him. Yep. That's not making you that you're not the biggest story. You just were real easy as a target.

And maybe the writers wanted to go home. Yeah. They want they wanted to check out at five and Alex being a dick writes itself. Maybe, maybe Conan didn't even have enough jokes. And so he was just said, what else is in the news today? Oh, Alex Jones is a dick. Fine. Right.

Yeah. And I think that they fell into a little bit of a trap because that's exactly what Alex would want because it metastasizes the, the making fun of him. And you know, it works as free press for him, but I also don't think there's anything wrong with making fun of him. No, that's fine. You have to understand it's a delicate game. But you also, if you don't understand it back in 2013, every reason to not understand it.

Like it's a very, like a very forgivable thing. So he's not the hugest story in the world. He is easy to mock. So on Piers Morgan show, he has the relative of somebody who died at Aurora on to talk about how, you know, you get the call late at night. Piers Morgan has somebody on Piers Morgan has somebody on his show. Yes. Gotcha.

Who's the relative of victim of the Aurora shooting. And a lot of the conversation is about how, you know, you don't want people the experience of waking up to a call that your loved one is dead. It's something that no one should have to go through. And he specifically says that I would never want Alex to have to experience that sort of thing. And that's why we work to keep guns out of the hands of people who would possibly do something like this, which I assume Alex takes as a personal insult. Not only that, a threat.

Yes, gotcha. But we'll get to that because here's what Alex says about this guy who, whose family member was killed in Aurora. And our internet's not working too good for every reason. He's talking about last night, he was hanging out with his family. There was a storm in Austin. The internet's not working so well. He's just laying a scene.

And so I go, okay, I guess we'll watch Piers Morgan. So we're watching it on the computer. And they've got the first guest on going, gee, I hope Alex Jones's kids don't get killed. And that guy just comes off like an absolute scripted actor. Just my view on it. And I feel sorry for his loss or whatever. It was one of the victims, families from Aurora. I feel sorry for his loss or whatever.

He came off as a super scripted actor. Yep. That's a, that's a man showing genuine empathy right there. Boo to that. Uh-huh. I feel sorry for Denise Richards, Pug or whatever. I don't fucking care. Right.

So also on the ninth year, Alex says this about Sandy Hook. They've got 11 different bills turned in to do background checks and huge federal taxes to buy ammo. Try to make you register ammo you already have. I mean, this is it. And they're probably going to stage some more shootings. This has all the looks. The last two, Colorado and Sandy Hook being partially are all staged.

Okay. Oh boy. So I mean, whatever, it comes down to this idea to like there, the, this is still early and Alex is getting comfortable with it. And so you do expect him to say stuff like that partially or fully staged. You're not really entirely sure where the money is, where, what's the angle we're going to go with. And I don't think that we, until this episode necessarily really nailed down

something that I've been feeling, but hadn't articulated. And that is for someone like Alex, the difference between saying it's partially and entirely staged is negligible. Yeah. The effect of it, it doesn't matter. Exactly. Because you are inspiring the same sort of this isn't real. You can't be trusted as an experiencer of this as a survivor, as a family member,

because you might be one of the bad ones. And that sort of idea is pretty dangerous. Right. And so I feel as we see this episode, the crisis actor narrative be introduced and Alex say pretty consistently Sandy Hook is partially or totally staged. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. There will come a point where it gets to like, this is a whole fucking bullshit.

Like you will get to that point and is rhetoric, but this is the line for me. Yeah. No, that's what I was saying earlier. The consequences are the same. Right. So it doesn't really matter what the different, what the different specific words are. It's still going to result in the same harassment. Yeah.

I think there's nuance for our like sort of academic interest. But realistically, it doesn't really matter that much. This is already way on the wrong side, which makes it all the worse that Alex in this next clip declares himself the leader of the Liberty movement. Oh, that's not good. I never wanted to be the real leader of the Liberty movement. Ron Paul is more of a statesman, but he's 76, 77. Now, what is he 76 look at this age.

And unfortunately, for all intents and purposes, I am the leader because other people like Ted Nugent and others, they don't get the whole picture. Yeah. I agree with that. Ted Nugent doesn't get the whole picture. But throw Ted Nugent under any bus please. I am fine with it. That might indicate that he's not answering Alex's calls at this point.

The trend seems to be that. So Alex is the head of the Liberty movement. Yeah. What? The whole one? Follow the whole one. Everybody moving for Liberty or is he talking about a specific Liberty movement? The crazies.

The crazies. Gotcha. Ron Paul actually does have an appearance on this episode, but it's pointless. So even Ron Paul shows up on the episode and he's like, this dude doesn't lead shit anymore. He's too old. Oh, he's retired. How you doing, Ron?

He's retired from the house. Right. No, of course. Fuck him. He's not doing shit. Yeah. Fair enough. So yeah, Ron Paul is interviewed, but he doesn't.

They don't really talk much about Sandy Hook or any of that stuff. Ron Paul talks a little bit about economic stuff. And then they talk shit on Glenn Beck a little. So it's kind of like, oh, who cares? I'm a big fan of a, I'm a big fan of this episode. So far being just Alex shit talking other people I hate. Well, I mean, there, there is some of that. If you take out the Sandy Hook stuff.

Yeah, I would prefer that was there. He was just like, R T sucks. Yeah. Glenn Beck sucks. Go fuck yourself. I'm in. I'm in. Yeah.

Ron Paul, I love you, but you're worthless now. It's all fucking me. Yeah. So then he has Larry Pratt from gun owners for America on again. And it's just more like they want to take your gun stuff. But there's nothing substantive in it about what we're looking at. Yeah. Anything.

It's just gun paranoia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we can skip over that. So Pierce Morgan's episode on the eighth did include an instance of really inappropriate behavior on Pierce Morgan and his guest's part. But I also think it's a misunderstanding.

Now I'll get into what I mean on the other side of this, but I think Alex has one of his only like complaints that I think is legitimate. Okay. But he's also making way more out of this than he needs to. He didn't shake my hand. Buzz Bissinger, this darling on the left. And I mean, he looked when he talks about killing me, he looks like he's about to have an orgasm.

I'm serious. I mean, these people. Seen that face before? These people are sick. And that's why we have our guns, Bissinger. You understand that? Let's go and go to the club. Here it is.

But what do you need a semi-automatic weapon for? The only reason I think you need it is Pierce, challenge Alex Jones to a boxing match, show up with a semi-automatic that you got legally and pop them. I'd love to see that. In uniform. Well, more of my brother's uniform. I don't think guns are, more guns are the answer here.

I mean, they're allowed. That's it. So she goes on to say, yeah, oh, you wear a uniform. Oh, then it's okay. And then Pierce, oh, yeah, I'll get my brothers. So they're all agreeing. Yeah, yeah, let's kill Alex. And that's a message.

Just like they know, if they said everybody go to this soup place, they've got the best soup in town, there'd be a line 50 feet long outside of it. So the first thing I want to point out is that Alex clearly understands the consequences of words being said to audiences, the way audiences are going to hear them. When he is the target of it,

he clearly understands that this is a threat to his safety. So that whole argument of I had no idea how people would hear what I said about Sandy Hook, that goes out the fucking window. You know exactly the way people would hear your word. Yeah, he might as well have been like, okay, well, what if some crazy viewer of Pierce Morgan's show, somebody who's on drugs or something like that,

somebody who is a weird conspiracy theorist, shows up at my door and tries to kill me, huh? That's directly because of Pierce Morgan's words. And I will never apply that to anything ever. Right. It's nonsense. Yeah. But I think that he plays this clip way too many times

on the episode. And he editorializes on it in terms of like this idea that like if you're wearing a uniform, it's okay. And all this stuff, like all the stuff he's bringing to it is fucking nonsense. But Buzz Bissinger, the guy who wrote Friday Night Lights. Really?

Yeah. What was he doing on Pierce Morgan's show? Well, he's also a Vanity Fair writer. Oh, okay. I guess maybe Daily Beast at this point. Okay. I'm not entirely sure. All right.

Um, he is way out of line. Because what he is saying is bring a gun to a boxing match and shoot Alex. Yeah. But the way... And they laughed at it. But with the way he says that, pop him. I do think that the person, the lady who responded

might have thought that he meant punch him. Yeah. Like I don't think that they're laughing at the idea of shooting Alex. But Buzz Bissinger, I do believe was saying that. Yes. So the idea that they're all like having this chorus of laughs about murdering Alex might be a little unfair.

Yeah. I think that that's important for clarity. But the larger picture of it is that's fucked up. Yeah. That is inappropriate. Like I don't think it's right for Pierce Morgan to not stop and be like, that's way out of line. Yeah.

Like I know that we all hate Alex here. But you expressing something like that isn't, that is no place on my show. Yeah. Or fucking edit it out of the show. Right? Is it live? It might be live.

I don't know. Dan, Dan, you're telling people too many of the behind the scenes things that you have edited out of our show. Not as many as you might think with the amount that you yell. But that like is not OK. And Alex does have a good point. At least vis-a-vis Buzz Bissinger. Right.

So I do kind of think that they made a huge mistake in terms of the way they were covering Alex. So that I think is a legitimate critique that Alex is making. He's making it poorly. But I think it's a legitimate critique. In as much as peers and his people fucked up. That is a big fuck up. Alex is capitalizing on it.

Yeah. I am surprised that nobody stopped that. Yeah. Fair play to Alex, I think, in making a big deal out of this because it's an unforced error on Peers' and Buzz Bissinger's part. Which is really fun to say. Yeah. Buzz Bissinger?

Yeah, I know. So that's fair. This next one is not fair. You got the clip of them talking about my kids? This was on the same show last night. Here it is. I don't want Alex Jones to get the phone call at three o'clock in the morning that one of his children have been shot and killed by somebody who shouldn't have

a handgun or a rifle or a automatic weapon. I don't want him to get that phone call. No, no, that is the whole point and you articulate that. Those eyes kind of spark a little bit when it gets to that part. I'm not stupid, okay? And you know what? You know what I'm going to do? I got my course plotted.

I'm going to accelerate speed. And I'm going to politically ram you. I'm committed. Everything. My entire being. Don't you know doing this only gives me the power to stand up against you? A full commitment. It'll be right back.

Obama's set to ban guns. Oh, he's not. So that is the Aurora survivor or the Aurora Victims family member who was on the show expressing that idea of like, I don't want Alex to get that phone call. Even if I disagree with him about this issue, like, you know, no one should have to experience that. And Alex, because he's a fucking idiot,

interprets that as a veiled threat on his family, which is nonsense. Does he? I mean, because I'm almost on the edge of feeling bad for Alex right there. Why? Because he's that dumb. Well, I don't know because I'm not sure if it's purposeful bullshit or if it's like, this guy genuinely cannot understand people not wanting his kids to die.

Like he can't process it. I think he lives in this world where anytime somebody is expressing empathy for him too. Yeah. It is like, you're just trying to kill me. Like that's a lonely fucking sad life. I think it's entirely possible that that is what's going on, that he has to interpret every thing that doesn't fit into his like sort of skewed worldview as he has to sort of recontextualize it a little bit.

I think that that's entirely possible, but I honestly think that there's another possibility. And that possibility is that Alex knows that what he does is disgusting. And he knows that what he does is inappropriate. And so every time that there is the possibility of creating a victim narrative for himself, he needs to capitalize on it in order to build up the perception of the scales being balanced or that he's in the right. Right.

They're threatening to kill my kids. Right, right, right. You know, their eyes twinkle when they say they don't want me to get a call in the morning hours that my family member is dead. Their eyes are twinkling because they secretly are saying that they want my family to be dead. They want to kill my children. Why would I behave in any other way than the way I'm behaving? I think there's part of it is that is rationalization,

whether it's to his audience or to himself. Yeah, that's a good, I mean, I suppose another part of it would just be the idea of his enemy wanting anything but total destruction towards him. Right. You know, because that kind of reveals part of it. And that kind of reveals his own, you know, opinions on that is for his enemies, he wants nothing but total destruction. Well,

creating the perception that his enemies want total destruction of him justifies his desire. Yeah, exactly. All manner of misperception, all sorts of, you know, what is propaganda if you're up against something that seeks to destroy everybody? Yeah. You got to lie a little bit in order to get people against a truly evil force. Who gives a shit?

You know, that sort of justification could be a piece of it. I'm not entirely sure, but I do know that there is a consistent trend through all of his work forever that has been taking any opportunity to create some sort of victimhood for himself where it doesn't exist. So it does fall in line with his just sort of. Yeah. And on the other hand, that almost kind of supports the way I think about it, because if it was like scattershot or if it was something that he earned over time,

that would be a different story. But it seems as though this is just part of his worldview. Right. And that's the, that's the issue that you really can't answer without asking him. And even if you asked him, he'd probably lie. You can't trust him. Yeah. But yeah, it is the idea of strategic or pathological.

And I'd believe either. Yeah. But whatever the case is, it serves pretty much the same purpose. So whatever the case is, earlier in the episode, I said to you that I think that there was a piece of this that didn't go super well for Alex. And that is that there's a couple calls that Alex gets on this episode that are like, Hey man, you were acting like a fucking idiot. Or like you, that what you did was more, it was not productive towards the goals that you

are, you know, putting forth. You acted like a crazy gun owner that's only going to be used as an argument to take away people's guns. Yeah. Like that sort of thing. And Alex is like, Yeah, of course, it's my fault. They put through this legislation. Right.

It's my fault that Hitler took the guns. It's my fault. I'm a man in the arena. Do you not understand? Like that sort of thing. Right. So that's your golf motion. That's his response to most of it.

This episode is about three hours and 15 minutes long, maybe three hours and 10 minutes long. Generally a show is three hours long. But if he wants to go into overdrive, he keeps the show going. Clearly he intended to keep the show going, but he got a call that was along those lines. The idea that you were, you know, you're acting like an asshole. And then he ended the show pretty much right after he is he's in overdrive now while he's getting this call. Yes.

So now we're at the full discretion of I can press the button and do whatever. Gotcha. And he ends it right after taking this call where this guy confronts him about how he was acting like a dick. You quintessentially fit every single stereotype. They use those stereotypes of what they don't want us to be because that's winning. Our founders murdered people according to the British Red Codes who abused their rights, killed them.

Okay. I'm not calling for that. According to themselves, I got in their face. Oh, are you concerned about them saying I need to be shot last night? Oh, that's just funny. But me getting in their face. That's not good. Right.

No, you're the one that's always ranting about Co until pro and that's exactly what you were doing. You were controlled opposition, dude. Well, you know what? I am myself and I believe what I did was right getting mad at him. So I appreciate your call. Co and tell pro goes around and tries to get people to fight with each other and infighting. Co and tell pro does what you just did. I don't think you're co and tell pro.

That's just an old 60 70s term of one form of psychological warfare they engage in. The cognitive infiltration that Sunstein talks about is more important. Here's the deal, but I told you about three months ago they were going to come with executive orders for the guns. Now it's a fair monger. It's now happening. So I tell you what, I'm just, you know what? You go out there, you build the media organization and you engage the globalist.

No, you're not going to do that. You're going to spend all day running around on every website, every message board talking about how bad I am. You're not even sophisticated enough to know that actually helps me. So in the same way that in that clip earlier, Alex talking about the like people talking about him on CNN is a threat to him or something like that, that recognition of the relationship between audience and speaker that he's fully aware of that. And at this clip too, like that, that ended part is real messed up for me because it's

an awareness that he under, like he understands that people criticizing him are helpful to him. And if he understands that, why wouldn't he court that sort of thing in order to help himself? I will tell you why. Because while listening to that, I realized that he is a loser little teddy baby who is throwing a little tantrum there. A little bit. He is a whack. He can't handle the criticism from people that what he did was it was a living embodiment

of the thing that people who are for gun control are against. So I don't think that I think this guy's argument is kind of stupid. The idea that he's controlled opposition and that sort of thing. Right. I think the point here is that this is a good explanation of or encapsulation of why you've got to be careful with Alex because criticisms of him do work in his favor a lot of the time. Nah, man.

You're controlled opposition, dude. Oh shit. I got to go. I love that phrase. Like you're controlled opposition, dude. It's a good, it's a good catch all. Yeah. It's a good catch all and it's weak.

The fact that he does, he literally, he really sounds like his feelings are hurt. He really sounds like he's, he's having that moment is probably why he doesn't court that because it's like he doesn't like criticism on a very real personal level. No, but I think he takes it, he takes it personally. I know, but, but him taking it personally allows him to get angry and he likes anger a lot more than most other feelings. That's true. So it may be the only one that he has.

The idea that he can transmute some sort of feelings, whatever they might be about anything else into like anger at this guy for saying that he's controlled opposition. And then he can scream about like, what are you, are you going to do what I've done? I'm great. Yeah. I think that's a, that's a win for him. I think he, I think he thinks that that's a win. No, but he feels bad.

Damn. I don't know if he feels, he feels, he feels personally attacked. Damn. I don't think his feelings are hurt. Why don't you go build something, huh? Why don't you go build him for work? There's a narcissism behind that. Yeah.

Anyway, so I think as we come to the end of this, this January 7th through 9th stretch, I think we've seen the beginning of the down. I don't want to call it a downfall because now we still got a ways to go. Yeah. But it's, this is it man. This is the beginning. It took, I mean, was December 14th was the shooting and now January 8th, I can say definitively is when Alex starts to internalize and re, re report these crisis actor narratives.

So if that's a, if that's a birthday present, I'll take it. It doesn't mean we're done in, in this time stretch. We got to still push forward and see how this develops. But I'm, I'm glad to see, I'm not glad. No, I'm, I'm, I'm intellectually fail us. I'm intellectually interested or satisfied on some level of curiosity that like now we know this, we know this point is that which marks. Consequently, this is when he said what we expected him to say.

I would, I would, and another one of our large suspicions is satisfied too, that it's the result of some crazy person. Yes. Yeah. 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:12,000 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:12,000 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:12,000

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I think that will also come into play. He only is starting to really talk about this stuff and put it forth because he has the cover. Now we thought it would be Wolfgang Helbig, but it's not. It's James Tracy, who is the initial source of him being able to like, I can talk about this now, this guy is, and, and you know, he still wants to present it as I've known this for a long time and stuff, but he needs, he's a coward and he needs that cover. This, this scares me in terms of the investigation though,

just because I don't want to find out that the next like six months are him shitting all over different people that he doesn't like. Piers Morgan still sucks. And then six months later, there's somebody who calls in who says, Hey, by the way, did you know that all of the people at Sandy Hook were crisis actors? And that's when he finally commits to the, the whole thing was completely fake and staged bullshit. You know what I'm saying?

I would be bummed out if, yeah, there, these words just don't work, but it would be frustrating if I would be pumped out. It's so weird. It would be tremendously frustrating if, uh, yeah, it is a long stretch where he just gets into like, cause I, I could see an outside chance that most of his show for like, at least a week is about Piers Morgan. Yeah, for sure.

I could easily see that easily. And I know Piers Morgan and stories about Charlie Sheen. Well, and from doing that episode about Val Venus on with Marty last week, I know that the WWE is about to introduce this Patriot character in early 2013. So I know he's going to get sidetracked by that too. So I do, I do wonder how, uh, how much and how consistently he will view Sandy Hook as the primary thing that he needs to be paying attention to when pieces of his ego are being actively engaged by Piers Morgan, the WWE, um, and what have you.

Yeah. It's, it's an open question. I just want to know if he knows Emilio Estevez. I mean, you know, it's Charlie Sheen, but are they, I don't know, are they estranged? I mean, they're strange. Oh, nice. Um, I, I don't, and then in April is the Boston bombing. So like there's a, there's a whole lot coming down the pike, uh, in terms of,

I think actually probably Alex will get way worse about Sandy Hook after the Boston bombing. Cause they know, cause he says that one's fake for sure. From the day of it, day one. Yeah. From minute, within minutes. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's interesting.

I don't think, whatever your frustration and whatever I'm worrying about being frustrated about, uh, it's possible, but I think that there's so much that's going to happen in this stretch in, uh, early 2013 that this, this is going to be, I mean, look Somali pirates was wild. This is going to be just as wild. Yeah. Whatever ends up happening. Um, but, uh, we'll get to that as we get to it. Uh, but until then we have a website.

We do, uh, we have a website, knowledge fight.com. Uh, you know, there's a link to shirts. If you want that, go to that website, do all that fun stuff. Uh, we're on Twitter. We are. It's a knowledge underscore fight. And I'm at, go to bed, Jordan. We're on Facebook.

We are on Facebook. We're also on iTunes. Go ahead and download the show. Leave a review. Subscribe. Subscribe to the show. Yeah. Tell somebody about it.

Tell people. Tell people. Yeah. It couldn't hurt. Yeah. No, uh, we would appreciate any help with promotion. Cause we're bad at it. Yeah.

We don't even barely ever post on social media. Should get better at that. Yeah. No, try and get better at that. We'll see. Yeah. Well, uh, look, there's, uh, I'll tell you, I'll tell you right now.

Oh, I got one. If you, if you, if this one's not good. Okay. What are you going to, or is this a forced one? Or is this good? No, no, no, I'll tell you right now. All right. That I can guarantee that Denise Richards's beautiful little

pug is life ended before his time. Never killed anybody, Dan. Can I be honest with you? What? That's what I was going to say. I was going to say. Yeah, that dog didn't kill anybody. That dog didn't kill anybody.

It's just a cute little pug. One guy who technically probably has. And who was an asshole to that dog. Probably technically wasn't as old as that dog is Alex Jones. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you.