Knowledge Fight - #291: Feline Contessas And Canine Capitalists

Episode Date: May 1, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a Wacky Wednesday break from talking about Alex Jones to take a little look into some chaos in Project Camelot land. Sweary Kerry has been pretty mad lately about a British guy who is making a documentary about how her friend Mark Richards is not a space captain (which he is not), but actually a murderer (which he is). As professional Mark Richards analysts, the gents decide that they need to know a little more about this situation, so they dig in and see what's up.

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knew I want to talk about my I Want to talk about something real quick. Okay, and you knew my question wasn't gonna get you there No, I knew about all of Boris Pickett's other songs like the monster swim and the sequel to the monster Mash and the climate mash. He did. He did the climate mash. He did. Yeah, okay. It's about climate change. Oh, okay I was gonna say if he did that all the way back, whatever the monster was relevant the monster wrap the monster wrap That was great. I knew about these a long time ago before everyone else started making jokes about what what kind of credibility Am I trying to say here? I don't feel like I can talk about my love of the idea that he just kept making those songs Because now it's kind of like other people have pointed that out. Yeah, it's not a novel observation for me

And that's pretty much my relationship with monsters When you ask me Is like I wish I could complain about the monster mash and the sequels and all that shit, but I can't well There we go. We did learn something Interesting about you though. Mm-hmm one time for a live show. I wrote it was a holiday show Oh, I wrote a remake of the monster mash right to about false flags Yeah, yep, how did that go? I don't remember. I don't remember exactly, but it was like Anyway, this is a

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Or we might brainstorm some other thing maybe a live show Maybe a couple live shows maybe a regional goal. Maybe yeah, we can't do that. I know of course not that'd be insane No, I mean we don't have the technology. All right. That's what I'm saying. Okay So Jordan today we've got a wacky Wednesday episode for you For you And so what it is is it's project Camelot stuff. Yeah, but it's not really okay You know what you know what this is one of the things that I value the most about doing wacky Wednesdays You know being able to take a break from Alex Jones one of one of the big things is

being able to tell stories being able to get into the muck and I believe that what I'm about to present in front of you is a literally insane String of things I learned about okay I mentioned last week that we couldn't have a wacky Wednesday because there's something I was working on yeah And still sort of looking at and that is that is this yes. Are you ready? I am I've never been more insuspensive as to whether or not this is truly a humdinger. It's a humdinger Okay, so on our last episode about Kerry Cassidy's adventures pretending that convicted murderer Mark Richards Her adventure trying to pretend that he's actually a secret space program whose friends with raptor aliens on that last time

That we looked into that stuff it came up that there's a British guy making a documentary about how mark is full of shit After watching the trailer for that documentary by response was that it looked pretty amazing the story of Mark Richards is absolutely One that deserves more attention. It has a true crime angle. It has a sci-fi angle It has a love story, you know both with mark and his wife and with mark and the raptor princess Yes, who's in space there's a lot of angles yeah, and we haven't even gotten to Minerva No, that's you could for the tech nerds for the hot This story has it all really it does so the idea of someone making a documentary about it obviously I'm like fuck Yes, let's do this I got very excited about the possibility that someone who had the funding to do it and was able to interview people involved in the

Murder that mark committed As well as delusional defenders like Kerry I got really excited about that possibility that what we could possibly see come from this Yeah, my tone was very positive about it And that was based pretty much entirely on the trailer which showed damning testimony against mark and hilarious moments where Kerry Cassidy tries to convince the filmmaker that mark was off-planet when the murder happened and his friends with raptors But the more I thought about it the more something didn't quite sit right Who was this guy making this documentary? I was about to say there's a very large butt coming And I feel like we're gonna find out that the guy who makes the documentary is even crazier than mark Richards

Well, I don't know anything about him like who is he legit? I mean I realized that like I said I know nothing about this guy other than Kerry's accusation that he's a dildo salesman engaged in a hatchet job against mark Richards at the Piazza of the reptilian cabal if she's right on that one. We're in real trouble But that I realized that's the extent of what I really knew about him and that's not acceptable Yeah, if there's anything I try to do on this podcast, it's to learn as much as I can Especially about the things that matter at the least I don't know nearly enough about this British guy who's making this documentary about a subject that we've covered on our show pretty much Since we started doing this show

Exhaustively so I set out to learn a little bit more about this guy Oh guy named Kevin Moore, and that's what we're going to be talking about here today Jesus He convinced three children to murder somebody He's mad at mark Richards because he took his record away. He only convinced one other guy to come on. Don't don't don't engage in a flippant libel That's a dangerous game apologies apologies if you take Kevin at his word Here is his rationale for why he decided to make a documentary about mark Richards This is the first docu-series of its kind looking into frauds in the UFO and alternative Communities that I represent as well. I don't know some of the damage that this does to the communities

It's not only is it damaging to credible researchers, but it's also damaging to people's awakening You know when when people are trying to explore the idea that you know There's a greater reality and when it's met with misinformation and disinformation You know that's something that I can't sense in red. So, you know I've made it my calling right now or part of my calling to show the opposite side of some of these so-called whistleblowers You see you may seem like you see some indications of red flags But I think that you're being a little bit overly capricious Like you're you're being a little bit overly judgmental based on what you assume is gonna happen

Like well you you have no reason you have no reason I don't like the word awakening, right? Well, but I mean that could mean a whole bunch of different things good If you take him at what he's saying he's saying that there are credible researchers in the field and people like mark Richards They are a disservice Those people who are actively searching because you know like I think that there are people who aren't crazy who are into aliens Yeah, and stuff like that that that absolutely exists at this wide old world So if you take him at like just boil down what he's saying to that crystalline center Well, I don't know it sounds like a pretty decent motivation for making a documentary

So he reiterates it here in this next clip Why did I do it? Well, it was it was just to try to give us some contacts in the stories that are out there now There's mark riches is one story. There are so many other stories. How many how much disinformation? Do you think there is in the field? So you get the sense that this is really how he's presenting the motivation that he has for Embarking on this documentary about mark Richards actually being a murderer and Kerry Cassidy and Joe and Richards being Just these people who are full of shit and helping him a murderer push his story on the masses, right? So is this fair is this complete bullshit?

only time will tell and You know a couple hours you'll know You'll have a pretty good idea in a couple hours, okay? So Kevin Moore has a YouTube channel that's been active since October 19th 2011 when he posted a teaser trailer for his forthcoming show called the Moore show This is a show that he was trying to sell to people that was vaguely a spiritualist talk show on which he would interview writers and actors from the UK as Well as astronomers and political activists There's the appearance of this being a pretty normal show

But just with a slight undercurrent of New Age stuff. Yeah, which I am into quite frankly No, I as far as I'm not gonna buy into everything you say But if that that's a kind of entertainment that I can kind of get into mm-hmm like non-aggressive New Age nonsense, yeah, yeah Non-threatening. Yeah, I can enjoy that for a little while While I'm bored right as his channel began it seemed that seemed to be the path he was following He had an interview with Stanley Kubrick's grandson who happens to now be a musician There were a few apparently plain interviews, but this pretty quickly turned into a conspiracy New Age

Theme show it became the clear focus of the show as he started to talk to Freemasons people who called themselves color psychics Okay, well, I don't know what that means. I don't know what I mean to do with the palette Sure, I guess sure and then you talk, you know talking to a bunch of folks who wanted to tell you how imminent UFO disclosure was it was right around the corner But all the while straightforward musical acts would still make appearances and he would have interviews with guests like David Prouse who played Darth Vader and Joe Frost from the show super nanny. That sounds fun. Yeah, so he had some like kernel of Tethering to write like a normal. We're gonna we're getting a little British Joe Rogan

Not nearly as aggro. No. Yeah. Yeah. Well, of course interestingly the tenth video He posted back in 2011 was an interview about America's collapsing economy with frequent Alex Jones guest and longtime contributor to the white nationalist adjacent publication V dare Paul Craig Roberts god damn it possibly worse or at least certainly more boring Kevin also had an interview with Jerome Corsi a few years back So you can see that there's not just one point of similarity to the stuff we talk about. There's there's overlaps Starting to seep through as time went on you see a trend towards this new age and spiritualism stuff take complete center stage Becoming the primary topic of pretty much all of his videos that he released We're talking about constant interviews of psychics astrologists and past life regressionists

Kevin landed interviews with the two big names in the field David Ike and on January 29th 2012 He posted an interview with Carrie Cassidy herself. I knew it it was mostly a softball interview about how project Camelot was a portal for whistleblowers and Ultimately the content of that interview isn't nearly as interesting as the fact that it exists, right? So we're not gonna listen to any of that But I will tell you you can go ahead and go find it It's still on his YouTube channel and he is in no way critical of her. He doesn't push back against her sort of very Nonsensical things that you say

so also On June 10th 2012 Kevin war released an interview with Jim Fetzer He hadn't written it yet So maybe Kevin shouldn't be judged too harshly about this aspect But in 2015 Fetzer would publish a book called no one died at Sandy Hook. It was a FEMA drill to promote gun control Damn it. So Kevin shouldn't be blamed for that because the book didn't exist at that point Sandy Hook hadn't even happened right Right, but Kevin probably should be judged pretty harshly for not knowing that Jim Fetzer is a literal Holocaust denier But I guess that maybe that was an like an open question as to how public Fetzer was about his Nazi sympathy at this point in time

Okay, so there's a possibility here that this dude has renounced his previous life and Is now making this documentary as a as almost a mea culpa as a way of saying I was I believed all this stuff before and now I'm fighting back. I love that you're thinking about ideas And anything's possible I'm saying though about Jim Fetzer and I'm having an interview with that dude like whatever kind of plausible Deniability you might have about like a late 2012 interview with him. You don't have it anymore You should take that shit the fuck off your YouTube channel Oh, yeah, that's a smart idea because he goes around to give a speech speeches that are Holocaust denial in nature, right?

So I would say it's still great content. You know, you need content. It's not great. It's all about content So it appears that the more show didn't work out as a TV talk show It lived on as a platform where increasingly weird guests would appear and tell Kevin about 9-11 was fake or how the color green is Magical that sort of thing and it lives on YouTube now and I guess as a podcast although I can't find it on iTunes Okay, I have no idea. Okay, but the distribution strategy of this is so wait It actually was a TV show for a while. It was on sky 201 in UK in the UK But I don't know how like widely distributed the channel that is yeah I think he had some sort of like satellite channel that he was on I think it's something like FXX like that kind of thing

I guess you can find it, but I think from what I could tell it was pretty short-lived in the UK as a late-night Weirdo show. Yeah. Yeah. So now here we are in the present day in 2019 Kevin Moore has rebranded into a voice of skepticism and is making a documentary about how Mark Richards is a murderer Who defrauded everyone into thinking he's a space captain He puts out frequent vlogs on his YouTube channel that often come off as a bit aggressive about how his documentary is gonna undo All the damage the carry is done still makes me wonder how people can believe

This utter rubbish in our community that Mark Richards is a captain even and that he's He's in prison for being part of the secret space program. I mean, it's fucking insane But there you go. It takes a documentary like this and I'm putting together to sort of bust that and And show the opposing opinion and it's worth every minute of my time So I would say that like, you know, Carrie's not really been taking the high road on this whole thing And she's been talking a lot of shit about him on project Camelot Yeah, so I could kind of understand and excuse a little bit of that agro tone that he has in that last clip about like You know, it's all worth all the work. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna expose all this and

similarly this sort of exasperation this agro tone that comes through here when he's addressing her and Joanne Richards in This vlog that he released from April 19th 2009 And Carrie and Joanne if you're watching this then guys, this is what you should have done in the first place You should have looked into his case gone to the Civic Center dug out all the court records Gone in interviewed everyone that you could have found that new marks of Richards and you would have saved yourself So much embarrassment of making this guy your top whistle blower Don't worry, I'll do it for you. So that I mean, it's pretty aggressive But you kind of understand the idea that you know, Carrie's been

Like she's that was that wasn't saying a lot of fucked up stuff about you said 2009. That was from 2019, right? But yes, that was 2019 that was 2019 last week. Gotcha. Yeah So honestly, it makes a lot of sense why you'd be exasperated the way the carries responding to him, right? She said that like really inept Dum-dum to like look into his past and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he just wrote that Almost incomprehensible write-up about it, but still that's some form of like harassment, you know, you kind of understand Yeah, for us people completely detached from the reality of all this. This is a funny story Carrie's being lied to by a crazy guy in prison who says he hangs out with raptors

But for other people, this is real life Richard Baldwin was a real person who was murdered his family lost a loved one that day when Mark and Croson Hoover killed him Mark and Croson's families had to deal with the pain of a relative committing a murder and have had to carry and work through the stigma That comes along with that ever since as Kevin rightly points out in this clip from the introduction to the trailer for his documentary What Carrie and Joanne do has a negative effect on the people most hurt by Mark's crime You know, I've met the only soul surviving member of the family Susan Baldwin who was devastated to know that Carrie and Joe are giving Mark The platform that they are for him to spew his misinformation

That makes sense. Yeah After hearing something like that, you know, it would be really funny. It'd be kind of hilarious if I don't know It turned out that on March 28th, 2015 Kevin Moore gave Joanne Richards a platform on his show to spread misinformation About the secret space program and her heroic husband Captain Mark Richards. Hmm. Now, I should be clear. I'm not calling him Captain Mark Richards That's how Kevin Moore credits God damn it in the video that he put out It's labeled Captain Mark Richards and that's even in the description of the video Captain Mark Richards Which you heard him disparagingly say the idea these fucking idiots think he's a captain, right? He credited Mark Richards as a captain when he interviewed Joanne back in 2015

Of course now that's why the like a clip you played a little bit ago He said I don't know how these idiots in our community and that was a big red flag for me there He's hold on to those. He's he's oh boy. This is this is like well How can you believe raptors exist because their reptoids are the ones causing us well I mean you could just take the in our community thing with Where he talks to new age and spiritualist people so right he's in that community right hold on to that thought okay So Kevin Moore is now working on a documentary about how Mark Richards is a murderer and people shouldn't be treating him like a legitimate source of Information so I feel like maybe it's in our best interests to check in and see just how well he handled himself when he had the chance to either

Push back or accept the bullshit that Mark's wife was telling him when she was a guest on his show I think you could probably already guess that if he did a good job this episode wouldn't be happening Yeah, that's most so strap it in and let's enjoy Kevin Moore being a complete fucking idiot while Joanne Richards lies to him about her murderer Husbands space adventures This is pathetic So here in this first clip Kevin introduces Joanne as his guest for this episode Now Joanne Richards is the wife of Navy Captain Mark Richards who claims He was an officer involved in the Dulce battle as well as very active in the secret space program and US space command

So right out of the gate I'm gonna give a tiny bit of credit for saying he claims to be yeah. Yeah, that was good Maybe maybe this is just him like giving her the benefit of the doubt. You know, I mean, that's the beginnings. Yeah, you know Yeah, I mean if it quickly falls apart in terms of yeah his interview style Yeah In this this next clip Kevin wanted to start the interview that he had with Joanne talking about the actual murder Yeah, because I mean it's kind of the elephant in the room Yeah, you want to talk about it touch on the murder now when you have somebody who may or may not be married to a murderer

Who's lying about being a murderer right and they have a vested interest in being like he's not a murderer Yeah, generally what you want to do and when you ask about the murder is ask an open question Okay, don't presume that he is or isn't a murderer in the question Uh-huh because that is doing the work of the liar for them Yeah, but you are actually trying to elicit some sort of truth don't establish the truth of the answer in advance Excuse me. Um, did yes or no question Did you kill that guy? This is a very strong indication that Kevin is either the worst person at his job Or he's actively participating in what Joanne wants to do here on this episode

tell me a bit about the background to the story Very briefly of the murder that he was convicted for because I believe as well that when the murder happened He wasn't even he was aware an omission. Oh, that's not good. I believe so. Oh, that's really not good He in the question you just say that he in the question Establishes that mark was off-planet now all Joanne has to do is say yes I agree with that of course as opposed to putting it on her to introduce the idea that he was off-planet He has done the heavy lifting for her

This is a collaborative interview where mark richards didn't commit that murder is the goal Little boy or is the end result that the audience is being walked towards whether there's a goal or not or you're just Blindly stumbling through this fucking interview. Yeah, I would give him I would say he's really bad at his job because maybe what he meant to say was I believe your story is that he wasn't even off-planet Maybe that was just a slip of the tongue. I just miss those words I think when you're talking about stuff like this, you should be a little more careful Yeah, probably probably especially when a couple years later you take the harsh turn that you do Against this very person who you're interviewing on your show and tacitly and not it's implicitly agreeing with

All right, so we both know the murder happened and he wasn't around for it. So tell me more about that exactly Now that the premise is established that Kevin is completely open to the idea that he was off the planet Yeah, the murder all right Kevin that allows Joanne to spin whatever Narrative she wants about the murder and so what she does is get into a little bit of Lackadaisical libel about a murder victim So now then to go to the murder in 1982 a murder happened here A friend of his who he you know one of his cover businesses for doing his military stuff was Remodeling people's houses or or whatever, but so he was remodeling doing a remodeling project at a friend's house

And the guy also had a business restoring antique cars What my husband didn't know at the time was that the guy was also filming child pornography in his house and he was a drug dealer so bad dude and Then alleged well then these kids that worked for my husband because my husband had a Generous heart and had a habit of hiring basically juvenile delinquents and these kids killed the guy and When they started getting in trouble or whatever they just said my husband masterminded the whole thing So without any evidence he allows Joanne Richards to assert that the person who her husband was responsible for

Murdering was a child pornographer, and you know kind of deserved it. He was a bad guy. He's a bad dude Yeah, and it wasn't even mark that did it these kids He was on planet. Mark is a great guy He hired these juvenile delinquents and because he's such a good guy and gave them so many chances He introduced murder into his life But it's not really that big a deal because the dude was a child pornographer Also, also he had such a generous heart He hired child delinquents and we all know that they commit murders all the time

So it was probably just them they were delinquents He allows Joanne to say that which is not backed up by any proof There is no proof that that I mean, that's that's that's slander That she's committing against this guy. Yep. Who is that now? And Kevin doesn't ask any follow-up questions. He doesn't say hold on child porn Did you see any child pornography? Anything in any of these police reports Just something that your liar so you're just saying that he was a child pornographer

No, not not just that he was filming child pornographer. Right. He's a producer of it. Okay, great So he's she's saying that about Baldwin Richard Baldwin. Yeah, and at the same time Kevin isn't asking any follow-up questions So it's allowed to exist as part of the corpus of information that's being presented to his listeners Which makes me remember this clip from just a little bit ago, you know I've met the only soul surviving member of the family Susan Baldwin who was devastated to know that Kerry and Joe are giving Mark the platform that they are Okay Well, wonder wonder if you discussed your own behavior in that meeting. I doubt it

I wonder if you've made peace with with that. So in this next clip He just allows Joanne to lie even more about it and this is one of the examples of something that like any decent interviewer We'll just be like what the fuck are you talking about? Do they change the date of death of the victim three times to make sure it was a time when Mark was in town? What okay? Um, what? Can you back that up in literally any way? What can they do that date of his death three times? So because Mark kept having alibis. So did they have to bring him back to life? Like if you read the transcript of the interview and Mark got arrested like they didn't need to adjust any alibis

He had none. Yeah, he was eating a sandwich with his parents or something like that. What are these backup alibis? Yeah, yeah bullshit. Yeah. Yeah backup alibis are never a good sign anyways. No, absolutely not So in this next clip Carrie discusses the Carrie Joanne slip of the tongue. Yeah, Joanne in this next clip discusses the idea that Mark was off-planet on a mission Whenever this murder happened now if you pay close attention to the way she's talking You might get the sense That Mark didn't even say that and a good interviewer might ask a follow-up question about like what are you talking about? Okay, so now she's spinning bullshit on top of bullshit. Who knows that could be

He has alibis for the other days and he might even have an alibi for the day. He was off on a mission, but He now at least implies or will say I probably wasn't there. That's not good Probably was or but she also said he'll imply. He'll imply that he probably was probably wasn't there That's when an interviewer worth their salt. We'd be like, okay, you I gotta go Okay So is there any reason why he would have to imply it as opposed to specifically stating that he was not there? Well, someone might be listening. Yeah Hold on the clip goes on

You know, and I know he is trying to tell me I was off doing something else, you know And I can go do that within an eight-hour span. It's like, oh really? Okay He can't and won't tell me where he is or where he was or what he was doing or how he got there But hey, I strongly believe he was not in town the day that that murder happened Let's let's go. Let's let's now just briefly summarize Some of the most amazing things that Mark has told you why so you understand that that is not a follow-up question That is hey, what cool stuff as he said, okay, so it's not saying what are the what are the amazing things? He's told you like what are the

Set me up for a t-ball. Yeah, like set me up for something. I can spike So every idea you've had is great and everything you've told me is true So let's summarize what it is. He's also got to say right. I mean she she said in that clip Yeah, basically it just comes down to I've chosen to believe that he didn't do this and He can't tell me where he was or what he was up to or what how he got anywhere Which I would argue it just speaking as myself is the very definition of not having an alibi right, right? Right, but he's implied that he wasn't there So I believe that and then the Kevin as the interview is just like oh, yeah, let's hear about space cool

Yeah That's horrible. That's awful you sound great. Yeah, I mean, that's a pathetic level of Interviewing of like that's a pathetic level of base conversation. Yeah, that's not even I don't disagree That's not a tent a tent. That's not an exchange of ideas at all. It's very bad Yeah, but he does ask one good question in this next clip and that is he's trying to get to the the core of Like why is he coming out with this information now? He's been in prison for quite a while. What's the why is he? and money for appeal well Joanne kind of

Accidentally reveals that like I mean, it's what we've talked about forever. Yeah, he's bored. Yeah. Yeah, why now because He thought maybe the first ten years of prison there was still a chance of him getting out through legal channels He exhausted pretty much all his legal remedies and after 10 15 years of prison. He was pretty tired of prison And so he decided well I'm just going to start writing this stuff and I'm just going to start You know sharing some of this information that can be leaked out there because number one people will think he's crazy so they won't believe him anyway and Who's this little wife of his? You know, she must be crazy if she believes him

Fair enough I mean, that's that that's just like the exact version of the story you'd expect from her But we're like, you know the part of the truth piece of like Hughes board in prison. So he started writing shit Yeah, it's just we look at it is he's like writing fantasy novels and she's like no, it's all real Yeah, that is very much Well, he's a gloss he's exhausted all of his legal channels So he's kind of made peace with he's going to be there forever and he realizes that without that hope propelling him His days are real real long. Yeah days are real long when you have no hope

Yeah, I don't think that that's an offensive thing that she's no expressing But there's just there's no pushback at all be like, are you sure that he's not just writing like Tolkien? sci-fi here fantasy books have you considered that he's He's fucking with you and You are also exploiting him for a cottage industry That might be rude. Yeah, that might be rude as an interviewer. That might be a bit brus. I'm just saying it's a it's a It is an open-air question. I think a better question would be are you are you sure that? Have you seen somebody?

That might be rude too So Joanne starts going off about how like all these countries work together and aliens work together with all of our countries because There's the appearance of tension, but really behind the scenes everyone's working together like they did in the Cold War Uh-huh people were all working together behind the scenes, but they couldn't appear to be because of the Cold War and This is I mean, it's a nonsensical idea, but this clip is important because Listen to how Kevin is responding to her ideas. There's a collaborative aspect to this He agrees with her and builds on points that she's making and when we were having the Cold War Most of these countries were actually working together when there was a common threat even though they couldn't publicly say that but you had this

agency that worked together and pulled in people from many different countries and different militaries working together against a common threat so You know they're all working together, but they all have to keep it secret Because they don't think the whole the the world in general can handle the truth No, no, absolutely not and we'll get into it. I still don't think so No, absolutely not and we'll get into some some of the reasons why as well Because I think I think you know, uh mark sort of answers that in in in in the story So that's that's

endorsing Like mark's information explains why countries can't appear to get along but actually are secretly working together And also he agrees with her in that we cannot handle the truth. No, no, certainly not. No, no, no. Yeah, was there a code red? I don't know. I don't know. Oh, so in this next clip Quick question. Is her only source as far as what she's talking about Richards or I bet that she's talked to some other weirdos since yeah, you know, but I I'm going to bet Literally everything I own. Yeah, if any of them contradict mark then they're out. Yeah. Yeah, okay But I bet she talks to like Simon Parks. I bet that she gets some information from Kerry as well

I'm sure there's some sort of brainstorming that goes on Uh in their community or whatever, right? So in this next clip, uh, this is fun Because uh, joanne discusses how back in the day, we didn't have a lot of MIBs We didn't have a lot of men in black. Uh-huh, right? So people like mark richards dad the dutchman the dutchman He was just a man of means, uh, which he wasn't uh, but he's being presented as a man of means You know a rich guy of leisure. Yeah So because well, if I recall correctly, they were hanging out with winston churchill when

When captain mark richard was eight years old or whatever, right? Yeah, that might come up in this interview at some point I might not have cut out clips of it because it's Weirdly too boring for me But yeah, so he was really rich and really smart and really cool And so he took on the role of being a man in black because like you wanted to help humanity Well, of course I wanted to help the country But he was working alongside someone else that we've heard of before and is comical to hear of in this context You know, we didn't have a lot of men in black or whatever

So you had rich young men or young rich men who wanted to help the government So like berry gold water and Actors and oh, you know people who weren't even politics yet But just you know, they had time on their hands and they wanted to help So there was a lot of you know, there was that interesting stuff going on under, you know, nobody knew about this Um, so mark dad was doing stuff as a teenager and after the war He was involved with investigating and dealing with alien activity and you at those sightings With berry gold water with berry gold water, I think he was too busy making antsy pants at the time

Was gold water framed as well for this action? That has to be the case totally Okay, gold water is fucking crazy and he was super rich So like at least those details kind of make this a fun. Yeah version of a fake version of history Yeah, uh, but berry gold water was not a man in black You know what I think though if you asked him now point blank like hey, were you Wait, no, is he dead? Yeah, he's dead. Yeah, he's dead. But like hey, were you a man in black with uh, captain mark? Richard's be like, yeah, sure. That sounds fun. I'm not doing anything. You bet. I am not busy

Um, this next clip I think is probably where this interview is the most irresponsible Not in terms of like the content stuff like that because I think allowing joanne to say that this murder victim Richard baldman was a child pornographer Without any evidence. I think that's the most deeply irresponsible thing That you could do if you're covering this story. Yeah, but this next clip just from an interviewer standpoint This is where it's like you're not even trying He went to vietnam as a lieutenant in the army Before that he went to a an interstellar treaty conference, but we can come back to that

So he was doing secret stuff, you know early on he went into the vietnam as a lieutenant came out a captain in the army and then Moved sideways and became a captain in the navy So his current rank is captain navy captain So here's the thing. Can you do that? There are some problems with this story. You can't just jump You can't just jump from army to navy and stay captain. Well, let's talk about it There's some problems here with the story that joanne's telling kevin about her husband's alleged military service that he really should be asking Follow-up questions about in the instinct that you just expressed

the fact is The fact that he's not indicates to me that he's actively participating in letting her spread dubious bullshit on his show And he really doesn't care to push back on it at all The most glaring problem with what joanne is saying is that mark became a captain in the army then quote moved sideways And became a captain in the navy. Oh, is that an upward? Oh, that's probably an upward move That's not a lateral move Well, it is true that a captain is a rank in both branches of the armed services Only someone who doesn't know anything about the services would think that going from army captain to navy captain is moving sideways

Or is a lateral move? Oh in the army captain is a o3 position achieved after reaching the ranks of second lieutenant and first lieutenant In the navy captain is an o6 position after ensign Lieutenant junior grade lieutenant lieutenant commander and commander Moving sideways from the position of army commander. I'm sorry army captain would lead to someone being a navy lieutenant To go from army captain to navy captain one would need to be promoted three times along the way Which is a pretty sizable jump The second problem is that she's just saying that he switched branches of enlistment as if that's something you could just do on a whim While it is possible to switch branches. It's not a very common thing

And the process is really pretty complicated There's a saying that I ran into a few times while looking into this that goes like this It's easier to join the military from the street than from the fleet Which is to uh express Inner branch switches are not very common What you have to consider Is that the navy is not just the army but with boats The different branches of service have different cultures different missions and different training that recruits go through

Someone who reaches o3 in the army most likely is a very different set of skills than someone who reaches o3 in the navy And there's no real guarantee that those skills are going to be transferable This isn't to say that it's never done, but it's pretty rare And when it does happen it never comes with an arbitrary three rank promotion Just so you get to keep the same literal title captain. All right, uh captain richards, um We're we're happy to interview you we'd love to have you in the navy Can you just give me a list of skills that you feel like would uh, okay? You can run very fast. I talked to raptors. Okay, that one might help. Okay

The story that joanne is telling indicates a lack of awareness of how the military works A lack of awareness that captain isn't the same rank in the army in the navy And a lack of awareness that there's literally no proof that mark was even ever in the army or in vietnam right Military records do exist that show that mark's dad ellis or the dutchman Joined the army in ninth or sorry the air force in 1942 Military records also show that he was involved in four plane crashes during his enlistment between 1943 and 1952 i'll read to you from the report about his 1952 crash bad pilot

Boo quote the wings were shed on initial impact with the dyke the canopy exploded off But not by the pilot and the tail section broke off at the turbine wheel section The cockpit section remained intact very well The pilot's head was dragged along the ground inflicting many deep cuts in a brain concussion also breaking his neck This plane crash led to ellis being uh, leaving the service and to him being partially paralyzed Newspaper articles about mark's arrest and trial include quotes from ellis and they all mentioned that he was disabled Which makes it very unlikely that he was going on space battles after 1952 Or that he was fighting in the dulcy base battle years later as mark has said

ellis died before joanne ever met mark. So all she really knows about him is what he's told her That's true So she can believe all this bullshit about dulcy base battles with aliens when her dad his dad was partially Partially paralyzed right well, I mean that can be faked though Like remember when willy walken came out at the beginning and he was walking on his cane And then he did a somersault dead. That's ellis. That's the dutchman. All right. That's not it's not He was in a bad plane crash. It does sound like he was in a bad plane crash mark is almost certainly making up his military service

He claims that he served in vietnam, but saigon fell in april 1975 and mark graduated from dominican college with a history degree in 1976 He was born in 1953. So uh being 22 or 23 at the time of graduating from an undergraduate program is right on schedule And in 1973 he was arrested for insurance fraud and though the charges were eventually dropped It's pretty strong proof that he wasn't in vietnam at the time There's literally no proof that mark was ever enlisted no documentation. No pictures of him in uniform. No medals or stripes So short of some sort of a bombshell that they're just not showing anybody for some reason It's pretty easy to see that this is a case of stolen valor on mark's part and a decent interviewer would have sniffed out that possibility The second joanne said that mark moved sideways from army captain to navy captain

It's an absurd statement and kevin doesn't bat an eyelash He doesn't ask a follow-up question because he's an active participant in platforming this bullshit. Yeah Well dan now that you've established that he was in fact both the captain in the army and the navy we can just move on right Please give a summary of the rest of the episode. Um, what other amazing things? So I I'm contending that he's an active participant Yeah, and this next clip I think kind of it reinforces that as he tells people to go listen to other interviews mark has done And and even like kary cassidy. She's been there twice now and just is

Just anybody who goes to visit him you I don't want to say I try not to put him on a pedestal You know, but you you're just in awe of the wealth of information that he knows And I tell many levels Yeah, absolutely and um Yeah, I I would agree agree with you there because I saw her reaction Uh, when she came out out of the prison. So, um, wait, he saw her and I would advise anyone to to watch the the kary Cassidy interviews as well because they are very very interesting and like you say the you know, first hand journalists to to to meet him as well So, I mean he's advocating and saying everyone should go listen to kary's interviews with mark richards

And to you what you responded to the uh, there's video Outside of vacaville the first time that kary and joanne got the first time joanne brought kary She thought that you'd be able to video record stuff So she was videotaping herself in the car and then had to Turn off the camera and then turn it back on whenever they got in the car. So you saw her face So he's obviously watched these right So he knows the kind of bullshit that's in them The second you hear any of that if you're not

Actively interested in trying to get a piece of it or something then obviously you'd be like look at this asshole Yeah, oh man, right little boy. What's going on here? There's something. Oh, there is something. Oh, there's something You're god damn it. You're you're holding back a god damn hammer. So yelling me I don't know if you remember earlier in this interview joanne said that mark went to uh, alien conference. Well, yeah, uh Interstellar conference And so what that is all about is there's a bunch of alien races, right that are coming here And they're going to decide whether we get to go to space, right? They're going to decide in the meantime. They're taking our jobs

Sure, and they're taking our people for experimentation, of course But eisenhower allowed them to or something So he she goes he goes to this conference in the uk and he meets some alien children and he makes great friends with them But it turns out that it could have gone incredibly poorly so it was fascinating so mark is there and He his father in 1952 met a raptor Which is a reptilian that was originated here on earth

1952 is the year that alice was in that terrible Paralyzing plane crash that was a raptor. Oh, uh, uh, alex Mark might be trying to recapture something here. Yeah It looks like I mean he evolved from dinosaurs. So here's this tall tall guy With a long tail a long snout lots of big Sharp teeth and very sharp claws and they became friends in 1952 when prince naga came as an ambassador And you move forward almost 10 years and naga is at this conference Two of his children princess linka and prince craig

Are we still doing this mark gets to meet rap? He gets to meet the raptors for the first time He thought it was the first Yeah, for the first time and he becomes really good friends with princess linka and prince craig and they were several years older He was six or seven or seven going on eight that summer and they were probably You know, there were several years older like human years But um, they just became great friends and mark's english friend titania was with him And the humans that were there decided they wanted to have this little experiment and see well How are the human children going to react and get along with the alien children?

Fortunately, the the raptors didn't eat them. So that was cool. That is nice. That is cool That is cool. That is a real cool thing that happens parents thought that it was a possibility that these raptors Were gonna eat the children and then just decided let's see what happens Well, I mean hey, you win some you lose some that bark was almost bait He was almost eaten. Yeah, that was that's a legitimate part and she's just she's just rolling over that with a well That's cool. I saw I was watching your reactions You got real fucking like shrugging and like what the fuck is she even talking about when she said they're a couple years old In human years, and I actually think that's the most important distinction

You were rolling your eyes at that. They're like, I'm glad you clarified Because I was gonna ask like how do they they're on different planets. How how does age work? Okay, it's actually the most pressing question well years. Yeah Well, if we were measuring years by our earth rotations around the sun, of course They were they were they were going to eat him probably but he wasn't made of chocolate And he was a little bit older than them after all I I I think my uh, my favorite objection here is um

Do you think mark is real mad that? People know his name is mark because look at the names of all of them all of these people that he's thrown into all of his stories Are all fun names mark the whole time. It's like also the name. I want to change my name To whip tight to a titanium And as we know one of the main characters from his book One of the things that I think is super important to recognize here is that he doesn't ask any fucking follow-ups after that nonsense The idea that uh, that joanne is Presenting this idea that mark as a child went to a conference in the uk

Where he made friends with raptor babies who might have eaten him Because his dad up in the air had made friends with raptor royalty a few years prior And he's just like okay All right, that can't be that can't be okay. It's not it's not a good interview. All right What was the conference about first off? No, she does she does just talk about that She's already established. It was about like whether or not humans could go to space right and uh rules for humans in the universe Right. So what I don't understand if that is what the conference is about is why there's the possibility of being eaten by raptors Raptors will always possible. There's always there's always that if raptors are in play you might get eaten

I'm just I'm just saying that if you go to a un conference on Anything there shouldn't be a chance of being eaten or killed by anyone there Well, that's because it's there's no raptors in the un if there were raptors on the un it would be Fucking Dicey every time there's a security council meeting So what is it a 5050 shot? You wouldn't want to take that? I wouldn't want to take that the appointment to that that office. No way I gotta be in a closed room with a raptor. All right guys. We're gonna have some breakout sessions right now Terrence you're gonna be with the raptors today. Sorry about that princess linka

Um Cool cool So we learned, you know, there's raptors, of course, we already know that naturally But at this point, uh, joanne gets into a couple of the other races of aliens that martin knows and here, uh, you know You know, I'm a cat guy So I'm excited to learn about the cat aliens. Oh, we got some cat beings and it turns out that I could probably hang with these cat aliens Yeah There's a cat species and they're basically scientists and artists and archaeologists

You know, the the one he talks about the most she's a contessa She comes here to the planet the bear pod digs because she's trying to discover evidence When and where her species has been when they visited her so I see she's an egyptologist. Right. What are you guys talking about with bass to do that? I know her I first of all feline contessa might be a new rank Oh Above raptor princess feline contessa. That's pretty great. That's pretty great

Oh, the other thing is like I hear that and I can't I can't not hear it as marked like just thinking about litter boxes Like cats like to dig so they're archaeologists see now. I I heard all I hear I heard it as cat, uh, as uh, his veiled Sexism there as because those are the jobs that he considers to be more feminine Maybe it's possible and then also egypt like the association of cats in egypt. Yeah, I think it could be all of these things quite frankly Yeah, no put it on whatever it is. It's dumb. It's not mako shark rampant. That's for sure So we got we got cat aliens and I'm thrilled with them. I'd like to go on a dig with them sometime I was they seem cool. I for one semester in college. I thought I was going to be a archaeology major Yeah, so I could swing with these contests

Uh, but in this next clip we find out about dog aliens and my suspicion that I do not trust dogs is uh, hold on All right, I just need to know I'm sorry. I got stuck so is every other alien species of a feudal Structure like she's a contessa like there's no it's hard to say nobody's nobody's just like Do you know like everybody's everybody's I think it's because mark likes that kind of fiction He does like he's into like the arterial legends and stuff like that So I think that's where his brain is

But dude, let's get into dog spaces. I do not like dogs. I mean, no, I don't hate them But I'd always rather be around cats and dogs There's just something I don't trust about them and it turns out Based on what joanne has to say You were right all always all along there's a dog species that has a huge base here that they're basic their whole Existence I mean their merchants their businessmen They'd love to work with humans just as a matter of you know being capitalistic dog aliens are capitalists

They are interstellar merchants Of course, of course, I should have seen that one coming space capitalism and even as aliens They still love to be around human stand. That is true across all Aspects of the universe dogs love to be around people right, but it's all because of capitalism. Yeah Why where's the dog species? Where are these guys coming from? I don't fucking know. Is there a dog star? Yeah, there's a dog star. There is a dog star. That's where they're from. All right. It gives a shit I'm sorry. I thought well, do we are we going to get some uh most f and talib quali from the black star? Yeah, absolutely Yeah, that sounds good. So we've got cat aliens and they're intellectual and great and I love them

Yeah, now you got dog aliens and they're always looking for a buck Crass merchants crash traders traveling from system to system selling their wares nonsense So in this next clip, uh joanne, uh sort of is selling the idea that Pretty much all natural disasters are just cover-ups For mass alien abductions. Oh, okay. Now. Let's see how kevin responds to that sort of a absurd notion being said to his fucking face And so a lot of times a natural disasters will happen Because there's either about to be or there's just been a major calling Of humans and they just have kidnapped thousands of people and are planning to take them off planet for

Very negative reasons. It's usually not because Uh, they want you to be their best friend and go to school with their kids Right. So that's that's the the negative side about it. And if people talk about well, it's just you know, it's it's not It can't it's not positive Well, yeah, whoa Well, you look at some of these planes that just disappear out of the sky and you think there's no trace of uh evidence Where they've gone Who's took him right?

Who's take him who's took him? Oh boy. So she's saying that oh boy natural disasters are cover for mass alien abductions And his response to that is you know, why it's weird the planes disappear too. Yeah, that's probably the same thing All of those planes that just disappear. I get it. I get it. We're we're all talking about the malaysian plane It's 2015. I got you. But come on, dude. It's not like there's a ton of planes that just disappear That's not what are we talking about Amelia Earhart? So that's bad. Yeah, I mean that interpretation that joanne is making is bad The fact that he doesn't push back in any way is bad The fact that he yes, ends it by talking about missing planes is really bad

Also, I think she's against forced busing. I think that might be part of it too. Could be. Yeah, you know what else she's against? terrorism, oh But it turns out Who's the terrorist? Well, it turns out they're all working with aliens. Oh And they also work with terrorist groups Which ones? So for example, when you hear of a terrorist activity, maybe at a shopping mall

Or maybe in a middle eastern country, for example It's not always just a human terrorist that are at fault. They're often working with alien Terrorists alien Bad guys, I think you can call them terrorists too, right? Um, there you are So, yeah, well, yeah, of course. Well, yeah, yeah, you can fucking agree on that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, of course. Yeah Well, yeah

So he closes out the interview here by saying like we haven't barely even talked about the important stuff I want to have you back on no Yeah, he ends the interview come on. Yeah, absolutely He ends with like a you gotta come back on Jesus and then listen to the plugs I mean, I know we've we've barely touched we we haven't covered dolce. We have we haven't covered barely anything So so what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna get you back on on a future show. I mean Again, I would recommend people to and we'll put links on there for the kerry casady interviews as well because you know She goes a lot more into depth

Into this amazing story Um, if you go on my website, um And will you put up the link for that at edhca.org? For earth defense headquarters, if you go on my website and click on products I have descriptions of all the different reports that I sell that he's written about his different missions and adventures And I mean they sound like adventures, but they're true military missions and some are on planet and some are off planet So whatever you want you can get So

Yep, um, don't why about that your your website has been Been coming up on the screen all the way through through this interview. So, uh, great. Thank you so much Oh, no, no, that's the least the least we can do. It's the least he could do wow Wow, you obsequious prick. What? So This is all that we really need to listen to hear from that interview without just playing the entire thing But you get the taste of it. Yeah, this is an interview where kevin morr does literally nothing to push back against any of the Things that joanne richards is telling him. He believes her

He doubles down on her narratives and is not in any way Exercising skepticism or looking for evidence for anything He even establishes that mark was away on a mission when richard baldwin's murder happened Joanne didn't even have to say that as an answer to an open question kevin established it for her Something like that makes kevin's claims of caring so much about how baldwin's sister was appalled at carrie and joanne giving Mark's ideas a platform. It seems very fucking hollow I want so I just Here's the thing

The more I look at kevin morr's videos about his documentary that he's making the more. I think he's a fucking asshole Yeah, uh, I mean you look at the past you look at this stuff the fact that he's actively engaged in spreading these stories Before and then now is like how dare you spread these stories? Yeah, that's that's a little bit rough I I assume that he's giving full disclosures while he's talking about this documentary that hey I used to believe in I haven't heard a word of that I'm not saying that it isn't in any of those videos But he has far too many for me to watch all of them. Although I have watched a lot. Okay So is he is he getting is he self funding? Is this go fund me? How are we we might learn a little bit about that?

But before we get to that I wanted to I want to tell you I think he's an asshole And one of the reasons is things like this this clip Uh that he's put out in one of these vlogs where he seems to be saying that part of his research that he's doing Into this for this documentary is digging into the validity of mark and joanne's marriage Now project avalon have done me a massive favor as well. They've also posted Stuff that joanne wanted posting on there And what joanne's posted is that she is actually married to mark that was one of my concerns with joanne richards and yes, I did contact montgomery clerk office

And um, yes, you are married to mark richards. And yes, I've ordered the marriage certificate and we'll put that in the documentary but joanne In which name did you marry mark? Did you use your childhood name or felt or did you use a different name like farsight when you got married and you've maybe Been up to no good when you actually married him. You've used the wrong names We're checking all that out if you want to reply an avalon you can do I will make my own checks as well because i'm going to go down to alameda Where you had your previous marriage and the divorce certificate should be there as well. Well, we hope right?

More info on joanne richards coming soon the wife of the amazing secret space captain mark richards doesn't that seem asshole-ish? Yeah, she's pretty asshole Why are you doing that unless unless she's like a noted con woman with multiple like if she's a bigamist I guess is his point that that documentary is about something else that yeah, that's true It's not about mark richards and his murder no But one thing that's important to remember is that joanne by her own admission Has quote been married and divorced several times because she quote had some pretty awful marriages

Getting married and divorced frequently can lead to some nominal confusion Especially to external observers and it seems like kevin's trying to take that and make it seem suspicious But ultimately it just feels petty and vindictive Yeah, their marriage has nothing to do with this documentary as it's being presented Whatever he's trying to demonstrate here with this idea of like aha Expose your wedding certificate all that doesn't strengthen his argument that mark is lying about the murder It's just an attempt to hurt joanne personally. Yeah, which I find ugly Yeah, I suppose the only the only way that that is not a complete and total dick move

Is if she is like a noted con woman who is traveled around right? She's not but if she was something of the sort then you can say oh well Look, she's also taking advantage of mark the to do her own scam You know what I'm saying? She might be on some subconscious level, but it's not that that's not right That's not an essential piece of what he's looking into of course Not the name the birth name that he has is one and then the other name that he uses is faucet And if you look in the like in the past you can find her going by that name probably from a previous marriage Yeah, she took on her husband's surname

And so like in 1997 you can find records of her online going as joanne faucet And then she gets married to mark and she's joanne faucet richards So it's there's nothing suspicious here as far as I can tell The burden of proof for him to justify this not as being like him just being a fucking dick is real high Yeah, he needs to establish something other than winking smugness about i'm looking into you. Yeah Yeah, he's a dick. It's gross And I have a few other reasons to be suspicious about kevin's tone and the way he's carrying himself One of those has to do with the fact that in may 2018 kevin moore had another interview with carry casady

His interview with joanne richards was from 2015 So I suppose he could make the argument that in the intervening years He'd had a change of heart about the whole matter and he's now working to right those wrongs right you suggested earlier Exactly, but this interview with carry took place less than a year ago And if you pay attention you start to see shades of deception This interview happened before he started working on his documentary about mark richards But he uses footage from this interview for the documentary The way he's using this footage is interesting now jordan

I'd like you to take a listen to this from the trailer And he's in constant contact with the raptors and they are now working according to him with our military We're not saying mark richards didn't commit a crime here because you didn't well, okay He's absolutely framed With the comes to mark richards in particular There can be no doubt that carry casady has no objectivity She's personally involved and invested in this story like no other So what you have come down with the music. I like it. All right. I get you but that's all right

From how the clip of carry was used in the trailer You get the sense that kevin was confronting her about how mark was actually guilty of the murder And she foolishly insists that he was framed Plus the clip that plays right after is meant to drive home that intended message Now let's listen to how that exchange actually went down in the context of the actual interview from may 2018 In the case of mark richards, he's constantly talking about the raptor beings the raptors having gone through a certain amount of evolution Since the time of the dinosaurs broke off from that Went off on their own actually left this part of the galaxy

And uh, all of this is in the mark richards interviews. I want to apologize in advance. This is like a three minute long clip But it's worth it just to hear this in context And he's in constant contact with the raptors and they are now working according to him with our military And protecting humanity. How was he in contact in jail? So he's channeling that information Yeah, he's you know receiving that if you want to call it channeling whatever you want to call it downloading He's you know, look humans can go through portals right here. We could create a portal and go through it We're not saying mark richards didn't commit a crime here because he didn't well, okay He's absolutely framed

You know, I had someone email me that said, why did you have that mark richards guy and because I had his wife on Years ago. She's a lovely person. Yeah years ago. He's like you don't know one thing He's like I was in that town when those murders took place This guy is guilty of those murders and I didn't reply to him because I just it was first of all He's supposed to be the mastermind. So how does that person know he's guilty? I don't yeah Just a comment that with that in email. Sorry. That was email to me. Yeah, a person who easily can be influenced He could be taken over. I don't know who this guy is exactly exactly a CIA plan You know, and again, he could be a light worker that they've taken over and is now working for the dark side

I mean these people are so prevalent. Of course, you know, always you can think what you want Um, obviously I've got eight interviews and I sat yeah this close to him Oh, you have got yeah for hours and hours You used your intuition on that. Yeah, and you know, don't take my word for it I wish I could get him on camera, but the prison won't allow it. No, you're not now you've got to ask yourself This man is is been in prison well over 30 years He's he's you know in his 60s. He's failing health Um

What you know, he's he didn't commit the murders. He supposedly Masterminded it. Well, let's put that. You know, why isn't he on parole at this point in his life Well, I would say put all that he was a military man. He still is a military man In fact, he's regarded as such by the prison guards and the prison itself right He was basically treated as the navy captain that he he is and was trained to be In prison now put all that to one side just let's hear the information that he's talking about now That's what I would say. I only mentioned that because yeah, no, it's fine I'm just saying, you know, this is the thing is that all you need is

You know tomorrow someone will come along. It's like Harry Cassidy does this and so and then you can you're you're left with a Dilemma do you believe I've known her since they could lie through their teeth? You know and yet because they've said it you can't say nothing against it or if you do well even so, you know If you do it means nothing because they've said it It's you know, what do you want to do? Do you you know, it's it It's this is discernment. This is the sort of land we live in and I say to people Do you expect truth to be delivered on a silver platter? If that was the case? What would be the point some people do

So I think you can get a very clear sense that that exchange is not Acculately representative of what he's playing in the trailer not at all. That's bullshit. So he could so the only Less than a year ago, right? But that's the reason that he has that footage is because he did when he talked to all of these people He was a softball interview. Well, the carry and Joanne interviews are from before right? No, that's what I'm saying When he was on board with their ship exactly He's not gonna he's not gonna give him an interview. She's not gonna give him an interview now is what I'm saying It pains me to say this Jordan and you know me

I don't ever want to be coming to carry Cassidy's defense, but from everything I've been able to tell I really think kevin more is doing our girl dirty like I think he's doing some bad shit here Nothing about what he's doing feels sincere There's even something about the whole thing that feels vindictive and dishonest in some way Something must have happened between May 2018 and the present day that sent kevin more on this trajectory But I can't pretend that I have any idea what that thing would be. You know, I have no idea But something has to have changed. Well, she owes him 20 bucks could be these people And you know what it's a goddamn shame

Because I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of someone making a documentary about how mark richards is a charlatan A murderer masquerading as a rogue space captain The story is perfect for a farcical documentary So long as the subject matter is treated with the respect that the victims loved ones deserve Our next patreon goal is of course 300 000 to make this documentary You guys can make it But this doesn't this doesn't feel like that It doesn't feel like a farcical documentary that is just interested in the subject matter

It feels it feels ugly and unhealthy somehow The way he's gloating in these vlogs about digging into their personal lives and and stuff like that It's just gross And part of that feeling I have is based on a piece of information that I've intentionally withheld from you You remember how I told you? Oh, I thought you were going to continue to intentionally withhold it Which would be a dick move on your brood. Yeah, it'd be awful. Why would you even tell me that you were holding that? I got a secret This has been knowledge fun

Jordan you remember how I told you that in 2011 next goal on patreon 2000. I'll tell you my secret Uh, I told you that in 2011 Kevin posted his first youtube video the trailer for his new tv show the more show Yeah, I kind of forgot to tell you that in the description of that video Kevin also announces that he quote has now started his own international psychic service So support the more show and get a reading Uh-oh, it turns out that kevin has been trying to market psychic abilities for money Going on for at least eight years So he is a psychic as well. Well, he's just running a psychic hotline. Oh, right

I'm just running a hotline of psychics which kind of which kind of parallels very much carry being like now He was just the mastermind. He didn't commit the murder Kevin provides a link to book him for a reading. So maybe he is a psychic on tmspsychics.com Which now redirects to channeling.com a website offering channeled readings from extraterrestrials and other dimensional beings Delivered to you for a price from a team of mediums working for kevin more or at least I assume they're working for him considering that kevin's face is the logo for the website And he recorded a welcome message the plays on the front page Oh, and also in the links section at the bottom of the page they refer to him as quote the owner

So, uh, looks like it's it could be like a situation, you know, like a hair cuttery situation You know, what you do is you're actually renting the chair man. You're you're not you're an independent contractor No Some of his psychic employees offer a silver level readings for a hundred dollars an hour A hundred dollars an hour But for a silver reading silver level. I don't want to know what gold is. It's 129 an hour Okay, well that seems like a steal but then some other ones offer platinum level readings Of course, they're very affordable price of 255 dollars an hour

That's a lot. He is he is goldilocks pricing all day. That is ambitious Wow, and if your hour is about up in the medium, you're talking to as more important information for you Don't worry. You're not going to get charged for an extra hour As it's a platinum reading you reading you are going to have to pay six dollars a minute. Oh, oh, well, that's not terrible Right, you know, I don't want to see let's see how much would uh, how much? It's only 230 a minute, uh for the other levels right, but additional so so It would be an extra

40 dollars per minute or per an hour, right? So we would still be for silver and gold, right, right? It would be 3,600 360 dollars Which is more than if you just bought another hour, you bet But that's how they get you nickel and diamond. Yeah, nickel and dime I don't want to put this too strongly But I would be lying if I said this didn't seem like one of the biggest scam operations I've stumbled into accidentally over the course of doing this show that one's crazy

Say what you want about Carrie Cassidy and her dumbass operation At least she doesn't have the temerity to associate with herself with something this overtly predatory. Yeah, this is this is insane This is insane looking over the website It's almost a parody of a new age cash grab with multiple how to pay how to pay links Like you could pay with your credit card or PayPal all over the top of the page fun And most of the FAQ's uh section is dedicated to payment options and attempts to alleviate Concerns of people who might find themselves feeling skeptical. So you think I'm lying to you I will tell you exactly why I am not lying to you

For six dollars a minute. You can pay with PayPal. Here's how they answer skeptics question Quote all our readers are experts at telephone readings and when they when you call they'll connect To you through your voice vibration by picking up variations in the voice Much like radio waves as your face can't be read during a phone call Readers rely on their gift alone making the reading more relevant. You see jordan. They could be even more psychic on the phone. Wow Yeah, I I love that spin. It's good. It's a great spin. That is really good spin. It's impressive. Yeah, I'm gonna give them that one I decided to dig around a little and see who some of these mediums are that kevin was employing There's at least 36 mediums that kevin's been able to find screen and convince to work for him on the phone

Which alone seems like a hercules in effort that he's managed to pull off It sounds probably more like he has four or five I don't know. I got to know a couple of these folks So i'm gonna introduce you to them by reading you their bios cool. That sounds fun First i'd like you to meet david just david just david quote david channel's felines and mostly the male big cat mettox As well as many uh, uh, as well as many beings who define themselves as reptilians Most importantly those that are somewhat affiliated with the draconian empire and go by the name calasque But also vortech and more cool

Whole lot going on there. Wow whole lot. Wow, but jordan my see so he's just he's just mad at mark for stepping in his game I maybe but look my favorite part of that. You know, there's a lot like I said, there's a lot going on great But my favorite fucking part is that calasque is only quote somewhat affiliated with the draconian empire You can trust calasque because he's not fully affiliated with the draconian empire Uh, but he's just uh associated enough to know what's going on. See now. I'm more angry at calasque. What is what is he doing? What is he is he playing both sides? Why is he only somewhat affiliated? Where is he at? No, no, no Is he nearby? I apologize. He's like little finger. He's enough. He's got his fingers and everything. Yeah Uh, then uh, there's earth angel the person not to be confused with the 1954 song by the penguins

That was featured and back to the future. She was named by that song I bet david feels bummed out that he goes by david when it's fair game to call yourself earth angel Now david good biblical name. Sure. Okay. He's a man who's he's he's grounded. You know david david is an earth angel He doesn't well, that's the bible. He doesn't have he doesn't have his head in the clouds dan That's how you know this stuff is true because he's just david earth angels bio is not that interesting We really just learned that quote her test reading blew us away which inspires a load of confidence. That was it. Yeah That was it. That's the whole bio. Yeah, okay. All right There's also a woman named galaxy who can quote nice connect to those that have passed if the need is there

Which I think is a crazy way to phrase that if she can talk to the dead if you need that sort of thing Okay, if you need that sort of thing she can talk to you know That also leaves open the possibility that you call and she's like you don't really need it And I know that because I can't do it If you needed it, I could you would go you would go somewhere phrasing his strength Then there's rash me who claims that she can channel not only jesus christ literally cool But also shiva buddha and many others. She's got the whole panoply going on her panoply Unfortunately, the rest of their bios are pretty boring. We can't just unfortunately can't just read their bios for the next hour

Which I kind of hoped we got also It's just kind of hard to talk to top a guy who specializes in talking to the goddamn thunder cats Yeah, but you know what? You shouldn't have started with david. They're mostly archaeologists and poets anyways What do you really want to do with that in theory? Yeah, some of them offer psychic readings some specializing giving love advice or reading tarot cards Some even claim that they can use ray key energy to heal you over the phone Since it's all energy based and energy can travel over long distances. So what's the deal? He's got a good point Well, I'm not sure if he does Here's the thing

A lot of the psychics he employs on this anal alien channeling hotline Have also appeared as guests on his show being interviewed about their psychic gifts Of course on his october synergy on his october 6th 2013 episode He interviewed rash me the psychic who can tell uh, you know, if you want to do you can talk to uh, jesus and buddha through her He's had william schaefer as a guest twice on his show And for 129 an hour william can tell you everything that you need to know about yourself from reading from the akashic records This all seems very shady. Yeah, it's very upsetting. So what you're saying is that Carrie needs to do a counter documentary about how shady he is and then they'll cannibalize each other. I think we are right now

That's fair. Actually, that's very fair. Yeah So, okay, but we don't have the great music the the great strings. Yeah, that's true. We could use the end game theme So, all right Kevin Moore is operating a miss cleo style psychic hotline And he's possibly stealthily using his radio show to promote the people who offer services for money on it Right, but at least he's not running around acting like he can contact other worldly entities himself I mean if this guy He's making a documentary exposing the lies of captain mark richards because he cares so much about maintaining the integrity

Of serious minded evidence-based researchers in his community. He wouldn't be doing something like that I hate to be the bearer of obvious news Yeah, but on march 28th 2015 kevin started releasing videos of himself channeling a soul group known as the one Okay, I've watched a number of his channeling videos. Wait, like bary gordy soul group or like what does that mean? Uh, old motown. No Sorry, sorry for the the deep motown cut. No, no, I know who bary gordy is but I just was like, what are you asking me? So like I've watched a number of these channeling videos

And all he's doing is talking with his eyes closed bobbing his head a little bit and appearing slightly strained Okay, it has the feeling of you know, how you like if you watch a band the lead guitarist will make that pained look While they're doing a solo it really looks a lot like that Okay In the first channeling session he released the entities that were speaking through him seemed particularly interested in just kind of bragging About kevin's channeling abilities, which I find a little bit strange We come to you as many

The gift of kevin is the gift to be able to channel multiple Entities multiple Beings, sorry, I should have written this down And that is a true gift in this special time on planet earth right now He doesn't need to change his voice All I hear there is him saying I can't do characters That's all I hear. I hear I hear andy daly's el run hovered all day

I wrote this to myself of myself for myself. He doesn't need to impress you with different voices For the aliens that come through him. Hold on. Hold on. He's not done bragging. I'm sorry The alien entities are not done bragging through him. I have a problem with how not busy they are apparently They do not need to get to the point. No This is an agreement we have with him on a deeper level At a time beyond now Beyond the universe at the place

Where consciousness is That's uh, where where where is that? I don't know It's all just this new age. Do they do they know? No, okay because they're kevin. Yeah, kevin doesn't know shit Yeah, that's true So there's something pretty weird about these sorts of people who get into this kind of thing They just go on and on about how bad the ego is you got to free yourself from ego Yeah, and yet at the same time I just find this dichotomy fascinating that the channeled entities that come through them

Really seem like they just want to stroke their egos. It is strange, isn't it? Yeah, and it goes on in this next clip We are most grateful for him agreeing to take us And himself on this courageous journey why It has only just been A few months for him to

Know this truth about himself And he starts On a path now An agreed path at a time beyond now when it was agreed upon that this would come at this time this Gift would be known He could have said no to this gift He could have walked away, but Sure sounds like he's a great guy. He understood at the deepest part of his core

The importance of the work that needs to be undertaken now At this as we've said special time on planet earth in Yeah, the universe Hahaha I really think an actual other entity speaking through him would not have that kind of a pause Hey, it's there. It's it's channeling. It's like it's like a delay, you know, whenever they're given interviews It's like a three second delay. It takes time bullshit

crazy bullshit I I have to the true gift Is just having the flat out balls to do this. Absolutely. That is crazy. Absolutely crazy. It's brash And the fact that he's it's almost like you have to have a level of confidence that is Unrivaled unreal. I can't even imagine. No No chance

Imagine imagine even if like and I assume that he's not reading this off a teleprompter or whatever He has his eyes eyes. I was rocking back and forth. Like, uh, yeah, like imagine you're also doing this extemporaneously Without breaking into laughter at all. I think he well, he does smirk Okay, okay at a couple points. Yeah, so There is that I'm really fucking with you guys and I don't know how to stop Well, I mean, it's one of those interesting things too that like channeling kind of has a built-in Like self-defense switch. Yeah, because you're like you're talking to alien entities. And so you can be like, ah

Dan is actually a genius. He's meant to save the world. You know, I could just do that Yeah, and then let's say you start heckling me in the middle of it and like Conceivably, um aliens are talking through me. That shouldn't affect me But there's the built-in excuse that that'll disrupt the stream Yeah The aliens or whatever. So there's like there's all these little things that are built in in order to like Defend yourself from it ever really being verifiable in any way all this shit Do you know what's interesting is that this is one of those situations where

The fact that he is such an awful performer. Yeah is almost like a More authentic it helps like version, you know, it helps me see that he's trying really hard Yeah, uh in these well if you want to treat go watch some of these channel This is insane. They're crazy Nuts so you might notice in that clip that these channeled entities mentioned that kevin's only known about these gifts for a few months Few months, right? So that obviously makes you think when he was behind on the rent a few months ago Well, I mean it does make you think about that. Yeah, what happened a couple months ago It's possibly unrelated, but in august 2014, uh, which is about five months before this few months

Kevin started to make a ton of videos about edgar kasey From august to the end of that year 19 out of the 31 videos he posted on his youtube channel Not counting the two-part best of 2014 series were about edgar kasey For some context his channel had existed regularly posting videos about new age and spiritualist topics for three years at that point And he had released exactly zero videos about edgar kasey until then Clearly the topic was a bit of a new obsession for him Edgar kasey is the guy who's largely considered to be one of the founders of the new age movement He was a real weirdo from the early 1900s who had channel higher level entities while he was pretending to be asleep

Then he'd pretend not to have any idea what he'd said once he woke up And at a certain point in his career everyone started writing down everything he said while he was pretending to be asleep And he's become uh, he's he's called the sleeping prophet with a sleeping mystic. Yeah, he's a bit of uh, we'll get to it We could spend all day gently kind of situation We could spend all day going over kasey's nonsense But i'll just give you a couple of the complete bullshit prophecies that he made that should give you a sense like all right He claimed that atlantis had been destroyed by a death ray and that in uh, 1958 the u.s Would rediscover that death ray technology true

He also prophesied that atlantis would rise from the ocean in either 1968 or 1969 Which it did nice He predicted that california would fall into the ocean sometime in the 1960s that didn't happen didn't Escape from la. I remember it. Uh, that didn't happen in the 60s. Oh, uh, he famously predicted that 1933 would quote be a good year 1933 is largely remembered is the year that hitler became chancellor of germany And naziism started to go wild. That's a fun one. That's a bad coincidence It is also the worst year of the great depression when unemployment topped 20 percent So by most metrics 1933 was the definition of not a good year. That's a really fun coincidence

One of the worst that is the funest coincidence He prophesied a literal armageddon would arrive in 1999 which it did not it almost did them He predicted that christianity would become the dominant religion in china by 1968 almost there This could not have been more wrong as of uh, 2011 China was 2.6 percent christian and that 2.6 percent Does not exist in a good relationship with the oppressive government. No, they don't they don't like it This list could go on and on and we aren't even touching on the horrible medical advice that he would give out These readings medical. Yes. He fancied himself a doctor, you know, that's that's

In fairness pretty much everybody was shitty at medical advice back then totally But that's one of the things that if people who have gone back and studied people who channel stuff Yeah, one of the things that's fascinating about it Is all of the entities seem to be stuck in the time frame and the understanding and conventional wisdom Of whatever time period the person who's channeling the material Is that does seem like you could just read a few articles and get close back then and then mysteriously There's also this thing where people are channeling entities presumably from the same group or whatever and they give contradictory information Huh, it's almost as if everybody's making all this stuff up

You know, it's we I did find it weird that in Scientology They looked a lot like b-52 bombers. Doesn't that seem suspicious? They should have looked like the b-52s Fred schneider So what's important here is that in august 2014 Kevin more started making a ton of videos about edgar kasey and interviewing people about him And then a couple months later he coincidentally discovers amazing channeling abilities And he uses them to talk to entities who have important messages for humanity that only he can reveal But it's not like these things are connected or anything

That's just me taking two separate things and pretending they're related I might be doing that or I might have watched a ton of his channeling videos and heard him say this I um Just tuning into this body Yes Cool I have lived on this planet before I bet I know who it is

A long time ago Dan do I know who it is? I have left a foundation on this planet a long time ago I Some of you would have known me as kasey. I did know edgar kasey And I am one of the guides that come through kevin I don't normally come through For this I've been there with him for his books

And I also come through On different situations But just to pop in to say hello Just pop it in to say hello guys. I'm I'm traveling through space and time Even even this one is like man. I don't usually come around. Yeah, but this kevin dude is the fucking best I don't usually do this. I don't know. I don't usually do this And I was there for all of his books. So they're really credible. You know, like it really does It's amazing credibility. I was there. I was there. I helped him with those books

I also come through some other times, but whatever I'm not gonna talk about that I find it incredibly fascinating that uh, like edgar kasey is like this Disease that spreads through new age communities. It's kind of like that Jerusalem syndrome thing Where yeah, some people go to Jerusalem and they end up thinking that they're jesus, right? It's just something it's a phenomenon that happens. Yeah, people don't quite understand exactly why people who get who are like kind of Unhinged and maybe a little bit ambitious and get a little They get involved in the new age stuff

They enter they interact with his material a little bit read some of his his stuff and then they start to think they are him Yeah, like you've got this kevin moor who's pretending that he has edgar kasey talking through him Yeah, in the same way david wilcox has made a career off saying that he's the reincarnation of edgar kasey So like you have it's just this frequent thing where these con artists use him in order to reinforce and Like add legitimacy To their skin right it's it's almost like It is it is almost like they are being conned from beyond the grave. You know they are yeah if there is like any Like metaphysical thing going on here. I would not doubt that it is edgar kasey fucking with that

If he had a ghost right that ghost would be conning people left and right so And he would do it in the same way via flattery So maybe he is channeling edgar kasey and kasey is fucking with him like hey man, you're so great I love it. You're the best channeler ever. You're so good at it. I don't know So, um This dude is a grade a scammer His history shows a real pattern of using new age beliefs and spiritualism as a business model He runs a psychic hotline and he's tried to establish himself as a super important medium

Who's channeling critical messages for humanity coming from edgar kasey as well as other uh less Recognizably named entities When it suited his purpose, uh, he's been perfectly willing to unquestionably platform Joanne richards and carry kasey and allow them to spread misinformation about mark richards Even going out of his way to help them deflect from the criticism that mark is a murderer And now that's all changed and he's a heroic crusader He's who's going to stand up for fact-based investigators in the new age world and expose mark joanne and carry I'm sure you can see how this feels like it's complete bullshit

His motivation can't be that he's offended by what they're saying because he's been a part of saying literally the same things He can't be interested in defending rigorously researched in fact-based investigations in alternative communities Because mark richards being a secret space captain has exactly as much proof attached to it as him channeling edgar kasey Something is up here. And I think I might have accidentally stumbled onto a clue as to what it is Obviously, I can't prove anything But I have a bit of suspicion that kevin morris is not making this documentary out of a concern for the truth Nor even out of just a sincere desire to tell this completely insane and awesome story of mark richard Is he even making the documentary? He is okay as best I can tell. I mean made a trailer. Yeah

Fire festival made a trailer. That's a good point I believe that he is motivated by jealousy When kevin interviewed rash me the psychic hotline employee who can talk to jesus and buda He brings up a particular lament that I found very interesting I mean, obviously, you know the the hard thing about this type of work as well Well, I say hard, you know, you may answer it quite differently, but For myself, you know doing a show like I do with with with with what I call Amazing guests like yourself coming on what I call it. It really is

heart-wrenching that you know, we just can't get on bigger networks that that that that you know, the mainstream's feel that these type of shows are Uh, not audience driving traffic and and it's such a shame because I think that there is an awakening people are ready so You can kind of see an expression of I I deserve to be bigger than I am. Yeah Uh, and it's just bullshit that we can't get on bigger networks. I have great guests. I do this show I think I'm pretty great as evidenced by my later channeling work

Kevin Moore's youtube channel his primary means of distributing his material has 63,000 subscribers, which I could see Is nothing to sneeze at no, that's nothing to sneeze. That's a lot Project cam or that we have totally do we have a do we even have a youtube do but I haven't posted on it in a very long time Project cam lot has approximately 230,000 subscribers almost four times kevin's audience Some of his videos get a few thousand views But some of them like an interview about robots that he did three weeks ago currently sits at 834 views His 2018 interview with carry cast he has over 32,000 views well over the average on his channel

Can clearly see that it drives traffic. Yeah project cam lot is a larger entity and a bigger thing than him Kevin recently did an indiegogo campaign to make a documentary about how channelers are totally real Which seems kind of like it's across purposes for someone who runs a psychic hotline Kind of makes that documentary feel like it's a bit of an extended commercial But whatever in the in the time that the campaign was active it eclipsed its goal of reaching $15,000 ending up with just a little bit over $27,000 But what I find suspicious is that this total came from only 82 donors, which is an average of about 300 per person There are red flags all over this crowdfunding campaign, but I won't bore you with the numbers

I did some weird math. Yeah, some of it just does not make sense. Yeah There's all kinds of people like who didn't claim Reward tier prizes or anything So that leads me to believe that a lot of them were lower donations than the lowest tier And the lowest tier is $25 So there's probably a lot of them who were below 20 so we have probably 80 80 below $25 and that's like 50 something that's $20,000. Yeah, he has 29 prizes Out of those 82 people that were actually claimed. Yeah, and two guys got them all right

So anyway, it's all it's very it's very strange. Yeah, and there's a lot of reasons to have Some suspicion about what's going on there, but no matter what the case is even if everything is above board That's still only 82 people who want him to make his documentary Compare that to kary's failed indiegogo from 2015 where she was trying to raise $100,000 to start a tv network Love you kary. That one keeps shooting for the stars. That one might have failed largely due to pure hubris. Yeah But she had 189 people donate over twice what kevin pulled in Strangely kevin's also running a go fund me campaign to get his two documentaries made the mark richards one and the one about Channelers and to launch. He also wants to launch the international spiritual news network. So he also wants a tv

The campaign on go fund me has only raised 527 pounds from 19 donors in five months. I'm not trying to suggest that kevin is getting dark money or anything like that That's nonsense I'm suggesting that it looks very possible that the donations he got from his indiegogo campaign came from a sponsor Most likely ozark mountain publishing a new age book distributor That kevin is acknowledged as a sponsor regularly in the past and who runs ads on his show It seems entirely possible that he launched the crowd funding for his documentaries No one was interested and his sponsors stepped in to create the appearance of demand

I have a strong suspicion that kevin more is not motivated by preserving truth Everything i've seen gives me the strong indication that a much more likely explanation for all of this Is that kevin wants to take over carry cassidy's share of the new age bullshit market This feels like the equivalent of a situation where a mobster is extorting a store owner Who is then killed by another way worse mobster? Yeah, sure you got rid of the mobster extorting the store owner But you only did that so you could prey on that store owner yourself Yeah, so so kevin is marlowe in this situation. Yeah At least that's the sense I get yeah, or

A british guy who can channel edgar kasey and has been running an Exorbitantly priced psychic hotline for the better part of the decade Sincerely cares about misinformation being spread in the new age community Even though he was an active participant in spreading the exact same misinformation and seemed to support carry cassidy Spreading it less than a year ago right and I guess equally possible. I guess you just got to decide for yourself equally possible explanations yeah, I am Dead center 50 on one side 50 on the other side dan uh-huh, I feel like

um Like one of the main things that I come away from all this with is like Get the fuck out of here kevin. Yeah, get the fuck out of here kevin. We we are the one to get Except we didn't look into your marriage status asshole at least we're at least we're better than that like we we Like to laugh at carry and enjoy and have fun and then whenever she says things that are like uh-oh that sounds nazi-ish Yeah, we could play and then we get there for that But there's no like this is such bullshit for one reason one reason only like the even the very idea of what he's doing is so stupid

Because there's no way that you're gonna make this documentary about mark richards and then like people are gonna be like oh my god Project camelot is bullshit. We're gonna go and be smart now. It's head over to a channeler It's not going to happen You're not going to turn people into like people who actually read books at that point Right what you're going to do is make a vacuum in their life Whatever guru vacuum is there and you're hoping that enough of them will come over to you that'll fill that gap there Yeah, it's kind of a bummer, but at the same time i'm fascinated by like You know if just bringing those channeling videos into my life was a delight dan

Thank you. I mean if you don't look into any of this stuff that like I didn't initially you just see this documentary for this Or this trailer for the documentary you're like fuck. Yeah. Yeah, I totally thought that and I I didn't I wasn't gonna look into it And then you know you run the very serious risk of endorsing someone because you like the idea of this documentary Instead of looking like what's going on here and realizing he runs a psychic hotline He thinks he can channel entities and he's just as bad if not worse I think he's absolutely worse than kary at least for that like channeling hotline Right like the idea that he runs a hundred dollar an hour minimum psychic hotline

Is crazy like that that to me is is funneling your audience Towards something so much more destructive than just the stupid ideas that kary pimps And then maybe her hilarious album, you know, oh, I want to listen to that album again He can't possibly make that much money from the psychic hotline, right? I assume not Can't possibly make that much money. I don't know, but it's it doesn't matter to me That's insane if if he doesn't make a lot of money off it. It's not for lack of trying right And it's not anything that he's not doing right like he's doing everything Exactly as he needs to do it to be a big pile of shit making a ton of money

defrauding people with psychic readings, right? So you're just you're just ruining a small business owner's life, Dan That's what you're doing right now. You're just he's an entrepreneur. He's trying to build something from the ground up So you've been on a bit of a ride. What are your thoughts? I mean, I I think that you probably agree with me I don't want to put those words in your mouth, but like what you've been nodding that he's a scammer and full of shit Yeah, of course. I mean come on it just anybody Oh god those channeling videos I don't I would I wanted to play so many more of them, but they're so long even

They mean where do you I swear to you even if it was proven factually correct that he was channeling I'd still be out on that dude because fuck that Fuck those videos. I mean, you're just bad at it. Just say you're bad at channeling Do you feel similarly weirdly defensive about kerry? Yeah No, because kerry was kerry was real mad in that uh, clip of the interview that you played with her and him whenever he just brought up the fact that Mark Richards murdered somebody and she just cut him off. I don't think she was mad. I thought that was rude I don't think well, she's sweary kerry. She's just kind of rude. She is kind of rude, but she's our rude

She's our friend See this is the difference between you getting uh, so deep into this listening to hours upon hours upon hours of sweary kerry on project amelot and then me just hearing what you show me I don't develop the same emotional connection. I I but I also think okay, that's fine And I don't actually have that much of an emotional connection. I do don't don't step it back now Feel your feelings. I just don't I don't actually judging you. I don't have those feelings But I do feel protective a little bit. Yeah, but one of the big reasons is that I see much more

Craft on uh on kevin's part. Yeah, I I see much more malice and intent Yeah on on his part like what he wants to do with this stuff Right, isn't doesn't strike me as positive and he also seems like he's probably a lot more Enterprising and a lot more capable. Yeah, kerry is probably Got into the height that she can ever get to she made a like a pilot for a tv like a true tv show um And then she does these youtube videos where she everything glitches all the time and dogs bark in the background She talks to people who lie to her about space. Yeah, there's a certain charm to that in as much as I don't feel worried about it

You want you want some wide-eyed innocence and a healthy dose of incompetence? I don't necessarily even think that it's innocent. Don't put that word in my mouth, but it does seem impotent It's like it seems like It can't spiral out of control that much further. Right, right, you know I do think he could I think he could like kerry doesn't put videos out of herself fucking channeling people Right, right. That's true. So like that that's that is per like Like presumptuous. See on the other hand, it's it's that's a good like someone who could like put multiple videos of themselves Out channeling things. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what you're capable of right. I think on the other hand

He seems most likely to overreach and then implode But I think you know, I think he is with this documentary. Well, yeah, of course I mean the people who like project ham a lot are not going to you know, kerry's mounting a defense against him And you know, I don't think no matter what he that's the other thing Yeah, that's the other thing about why this is fucking stupid If you intend to show like cast a light on these misinformation parts of the the the space community or whatever What the fuck are you doing this for like quite honestly? You're going to make this documentary and then everyone is going to think you're a deep state operative or whatever

It's a world that's going to backfire at his built-in defenses against any kind of truth telling And you know that you're a part of that fucking world. Yeah, you know that that's the end result of this That means to me That that uh being presented as his motive for this is a little suspicious. Yeah, especially since It would be like a sensibly the people that he would be marketing this documentary to would be people who are interested in Finding out that captain mark richards is a fucking murderer Right and and all of the details behind that and that type of person isn't going to go ha ha ha You got her now. Let's go over and see what your psychic has to say

I don't know. I I'm gonna need to sit with the feelings a little bit longer To really really know where the feeling comes from But there there is definitely a cut Dan is married to carry in two years. It's not gonna happen Uh, I don't I don't date long distance Space um look I I don't know. I mean the feeling that I uh, I It's not it's It's not a defensive carry for her own sake It's it's it's a defense based on what the offense is. Yeah, and the offense is bullshit

Anybody being the target of something like this. I would probably be like this doesn't seem sincere, right? Even like no matter what I don't know It is always kind of funny the idea of like Intersect battles in like space communities. Yeah stuff like that We could take an external view and be like All right. All right, but if I do want to see one survive, it's obviously project camel. Oh, of course There's much funnier territory there. Um, so sorry, kevin I'll probably still watch your documentary, but I I'm gonna I'm gonna stream it illegally. Yeah

I'm not giving you a dime asshole. Yeah Fuck off. Stop trying to be an asshole to uh, our friends over at project Although I will give you a call and see what jesus is up to but I need a discount. Yeah Um, so anyway, we'll be back On friday with a new episode indeed. We will actually is about alex junes. Yeah, but this has been a fun diversion It's been fantastic. Thank you. Uh We have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight.com. You can also get a psychic reading on knowledge fight.com You cannot get a psychic reading $700 an hour. I will channel the dog. Don't say that and they will give you investment advice

The capitalist dog aliens will tell you about the space stock market. Are we sure they're any good at it? Space stocks space stocks Yeah, you you could do that or you could get like a shirt or go to the patreon page We got to shut the fuck up right now. Okay, because what is it dog stocks is a perfect idea first? How would anyone ever confirm or deny the value going up or down you have complete control of the narrative I predict someone will eventually try and pull. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. Oh for sure. Oh, what about like resource futures in like asteroids? No, that one's that one's already been done. That one's that one probably got done in the 20s. Yeah, probably. Yeah Asimov was writing about mining asteroids back then for sure somebody bought that hook line and sinker But like futures trading. Yeah. All right. Anyway, we have a twitter you could trade

It is a at knowledge fight and uh Knowledge underscore fight and i'm uh go to bet jordan. Yep. We're also on facebook. We are on facebook What else do we do itunes? We are on itunes and many other podcasting apps. Yes. We are told yes Also, uh, as we end this I got to say jordan. What do you got to say? I have to say what do you got to say? The archaeologist feline space contessa gorgeous has never killed anybody We do not know that I can tell you that my my spirit resonates that she has never killed anybody I'm gonna channel just done archaeological digs trying to figure out cat aliens passed on earth And it's a respectable goal and it it it it contributes to the totality of information in the universe

And I respect that she's never killed anybody. That's a good call one guy who technically probably has is alex jones Andy and chansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding So alex, i'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you