Knowledge Fight - #302: Discernment Overload

Episode Date: May 29, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a Wacky Wednesday break to check in on the newest updates in the ongoing saga of Sweary Kerry Cassidy and the guy who's trying to make a documentary about how her best friend is not a space captain, but is actually a murderer. In this installment, the gents break down a recorded conversation between the two that involves "discernment."

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding Alex. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. We're a couple dudes like sit around, Rick Navity beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones in deed. We are Dan. Did you say in because you're subtly trying to buzz market your show tonight in Indiana? The people who are listening to this tomorrow really? That's what I'm doing. Buzzmarking. I was just buzzmarking Indiana entirely. The subtle vocal patterns. Indeed. Sneaky.

Micheal walk indeed. So if you have a time machine, come check out Jordan and Indiana last night. It'll be a great show. It'll be a great show. It was when you're listening to this. Fantastic. Good times. You got to do a better job of plugging your shows. That's really what I'm getting. Oh yeah. No, I'm really bad at it. I could have brought this up on Monday, but it's Indiana peeps out. Could have done it.

Easy. Easy. You got to make a point of this in the future. I think it's probably a smart idea. It's probably an off-show conversation. Do you have a question for me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bath salts or bath bombs? Bath salts. Bath salts? I think we've talked about this a little bit. I find bath bombs a little bit disappointing

because they're called bombs and all they do is fizz a little bit. Yeah. Find it very disappointing. But it's just the appearance of them. What do you mean? I want more of an experience out of it. It's called a bomb. Yeah. I want something. I don't know. That's fair.

Bath salts for me are a very... I've always loved a bath, but it's a part of my brain that still loves kind of new-agey bullshit. It's something I really value. It's like, oh, we've been to the witch story that I go to. There's bath salts that'll give you peace. I believe the one I bought was... Prosperity. Prosperity. Yeah, absolutely. And I know that there's no magic to these bath salts,

but I'll be damned if I'm not going to go buy those instead of the Calgon brand or whatever. Yeah, for sure. Even though I have some Calgon bath salts in my bathroom right now, but that was just because I couldn't make the trip to the witch story. So Jordan, today we had a very interesting episode to go over. But before we do, we got to say thank you to some people who make this show possible. I think it's a smart idea. Yes. Women and bath salts.

Hell, yeah. We've got that sweet, sweet bath salt money. That is not true at all. So first of all, like I said, thank you to Maria. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Mariya. Thanks, Mariya. Thank you, WOODIES.

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We've got a lot of Andys, a lot of Jacks. We're trying to fill up our Jack quota. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're low. Next, Ann. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Ann. Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an elevated level. We appreciate it very much.

So Rachel, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401K doing, bro? We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good?

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We'd appreciate it. It would be nice. Now, Jordan, today we are in what we call a pickle barrel. Who calls it a pickle barrel? I do. Or I did yesterday when I was preparing this episode. Oh, okay. Well, that's fair. So we had it. We're in a situation where we're, you know, coming up with the episode to do and

the timeframe of the world right now. I was like, well, Alex has probably got some really fucking interesting things to say about it. We just had the European elections. Yeah. His boy Farage went buck wild on fools. Of course. All Alex's other friends lost

on ceremony. All of his, all the people who will show up on Alex's show, the Tommy Robinson's of the world, the accounts Dankula. Yeah. I guess Sargon, I don't know if he's ever come on Alex's show, but he also lost. So I thought

like for sure Monday's show is going to be pretty buck wild. It would have to be. And so I turned it on and it's, it was, it was trash. Well, I don't know why, but Owen Schreuer was co-hosting the entire show. The entire show. Yeah. My, my theory was that they

thought he'd, Alex would need a babysitter because it was Memorial Day. Okay. So he was just going to be fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. That was kind of my thinking, but weirdly, if you listen to the episode, Alex doesn't seem drunk. He just seems kind of present day Alexy. Yeah. There's nothing like, ah, he's not throwing hatchets

around or anything. God damn it. Yeah, I know. It's kind of disappointing. He should have hatchets on hand underneath his desk all the time. All the time. So the first half hour was kind of just begging for money. It was all just like seriously severe, uh,

plugs. Yeah. Um, and like, like, I'm not just saying it kept happening. It was a protracted, uh, commercial. Just one long nonstop. Based on the premise of the European elections, uh, and how nationalism is taking over the world

naturally because of Alex. Entirely. Well, info wars kicked this off. That's as Nigel Farage has even said Alex is responsible for UKIP becoming a viable party. God, that should be, uh, punishable by, uh,

I think, you know, 20 to 25 to life. I think it's a little bit of an exaggeration. Uh, but whatever. So Alex, his deconstruction of the European elections are just that like, haha, nationalism is taking over a socket globalist. Great. So anyway, Alex is just kind of

rambling. It's a bunch of nonsense. And I don't really care all that much. There's no real good analysis. There's nothing, there's no good point. It's just sort of fatalistic and like Trump is going to try people for trees and sure it's kind of just taking laps around stuff. I've already kind of talked about it already. So I was like, all right,

it's, it's Wednesday, wacky Wednesday time. Baby, let's get into it. Let's do something. So I went over to project Camelot. There's nothing there. It's trash trash wall to wall. God damn. It's just like 5g roundtable discussions like roundtable discussions about 5g

with everybody lying. Get bent, lady. I don't care. Good. Stop it. This isn't good content. So I was like, all right, maybe Dave Dobbin Meyer. Let's go check in with him. Coach Dave. I had like three minutes into a video and like get out. I already understand you. I don't care. This is

this is garbage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, holy shit. You know what I just remembered? Larry Nichols has a YouTube channel where he started recording things. What? Yeah, Larry Nichols has a YouTube channel. That's Oh boy. Oh boy. So I was like, maybe we should start covering

Larry Nichols weird YouTube videos that he puts out like 30 minute dispatches of his information breaks. Sure. And so I started listening to those and like, these are so boring. They're just not surprising. You cannot imagine how terrible

it is to listen to half hour of Larry talking straight. I can. We talked to him. True. But we had us talking to break that up. That's true without anybody else there. Larry is tough to listen to. Okay. So we're not going to be covering Larry Nichols although I will tell you this because

I went through his YouTube channel. I can tell you two things. One, Larry doesn't believe in QAnon. Oh, that's good. He it's interesting. Interesting development. Second thing I learned Larry Nichols recorded an album. Hmm.

I just took a drink and that was very close to a spit take. Larry Nichols. What the fuck just happened there? Larry Nichols recorded an album of song covers. He did not. And here is a sample. I refuse. People get ready There's a train to come

This is not that terrible. Nope. All you need is feed No No This really isn't that bad. It's serviceable.

Now I'm starting to think Willie Nelson was involved and I ran Contra as well. Is this the entire episode? Oh So where did this chart? Are you sure? Not even on the billboard top 100

Oh Larry Nichols Wonderful That was long, but I needed us to get to Larry Nichols singing. What a wonderful Yeah, no, of course. That was the cherry on top. That was the kicker. A couple points about this. First of all, there's like a six minute

video with even more songs that you can go find. It's online. It's on YouTube. If you need more of that Larry He recorded this and released it fairly recently. Recently. Yeah, which calls into question his voice. You know what I mean?

The way he presents I know that people speaking and singing voices can be pretty markedly different, but I don't think that different. I think that's absurd. What he's presenting is damage to his vocal chords.

You wouldn't be able to sing like that. I don't think if you had Yeah, that's that's very much like a Disney cartoon from the 90s where it's the speaking voice and then the singing voices all of a sudden you're like, oh, that's a different person entirely. They had a double cast

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Christina Aguilera is singing and then the second thing or maybe even third, I don't remember how many points I have on this issue, but I don't think that Larry has the right to sell covers of these songs. Like, did he get the Eagles to let

him sing Desperado? Yeah, of course. No. Yeah, no, he made a few hundred calls to Iran and I ran to care of it. I certainly don't have the time or interest in doing this, but if a Glenn Fry, if you're listening, send Larry a season to sing

just to fuck with him. He's illegally covering your songs. That would be an interesting day in Larry life. He's not paying your royalties. Get down there and take care of business. What are you telling me? I can't sing anything like that anymore.

So we can't listen to Larry Nichols. I'm like, God damn it. What, what are we going to do? I was really up against it. I couldn't figure out what, what to do. And then I realized like, all right, with project Camelot stuff, it basically becomes like, well, let's

it's always exciting when there's new information about Mark Richards. Whenever she goes back to the prison, it's always fun. And now that's sort of morphed because of Kevin Moore making this documentary about Mark Richards

and him having this feud with Cary it became, it's become morphed now like we covered him because of his coverage and we found that that he's a completely absurd channeler and a con and running a psychic hotline. And I was like, well, let's

check him out some more. And I went to his channel. Oh no. And I found something completely insane. Okay. And that's what we'll be going over today. It does involve Cary Cassidy. And here's an out of context drop from today's show. Pearl Harbor, that was a fucking false flag

and you don't know the stuff you need to get educated. It's a return of sweary Cary. Very sweary Cary. So what we've got going on today is Kevin Moore, the guy who's making a

documentary about Mark Richards who Cary Cassidy believes is a secret space program whistleblower who hangs out with raptor aliens but is actually a murderer and a con man and aspiring cult leader. He

is on another show. He is on a show called freedom of Joyce. Nope. Terry Joyce is the name of the person who runs this show. And she's having Kevin Moore. Freedom of Joyce. It's a little. Freedom of Joyce. It's a little clunky. All right. Come on now.

Come on now. It's a little clunky. So she, Terry Joyce is having Kevin Moore on as a guest to discuss his documentary about Mark Richards. But over the course of it you might start to get the sense that this Terry Joyce just doesn't

like Cary Cassidy much. It is excited about the idea of someone attacking her. Okay. But that's maybe third or fourth most important in terms of the trends you'll see here. So here is just the first clip. Just them sort of saying hello and some pleasantries.

Welcome to the freedom of Joyce show here on YouTube. Freedom of Joyce. And hopefully it will re-air on American Film Radio. Today my guest is Kevin Daniel Moore. Welcome to the show today. Thank you. Thank you so much, Terry, for having me on. Thank you. I'm glad to

see you in person. Yeah, I know. We've talked a little bit on the telephone. So, you know, they've spoken before, but now they get to meet in person. You'll notice that she says you're listening on YouTube and hopefully. I just wrote literally just wrote hopefully.

What does hopefully mean? It indicates that it's not automatic. No. It indicates to me that the only place she knows this is going to be is on her YouTube channel. Oh, yeah. So that's important to remember for later. As it is now, I believe

she may have an association with American Freedom Radio, which is just a fucking network of shows. Okay. Yeah. It shows that people who have like snowball mics and talk about Liberty. Sure.

So that's the that's sort of vibe you get. So in this next clip, Kevin gets into some of the ideas of the documentary that he's doing and you know why it's it's offensive to him

that Carrie believes Mark Richards is an actual whistleblower because he doesn't get a cut. And he's been locked away for 36 years for the murder of his friend Richard Baldwin, Richard Alexander Baldwin, along with his crime

partner, Cross and Hoover. Now the thing is we as a viewing audience trust Carrie Cassidy that she's bedded these people. Do we? I never ever considered that Carrie doesn't bet, you know, the people that she has. Really? As long term guests on her show. I mean

like yourself and myself maybe, you know, if someone's coming on for an hour, what vetting are we going to do? Do you know what I mean? Nothing. If there's some inconsistencies in the story, maybe we'll pick them up in the interview. You won't. But unless it's complete bollocks, you know, we're there

to give the airspace to the people and for them to talk about their work. So I mean just remember that he's had Carrie Cassidy on his show before. He's had Joanne Richards on his show before and so many other fucking weirdos. Paul Craig Roberts, Jerome Corsi,

space weirdos you've never heard of before. Their names would mean nothing to you if I just listed them off. Yeah, so I mean his eye is like, oh, she doesn't vet people. None of you do. Yeah in an alternate universe where you're what you're saying makes any sense that that is

wow. The name of the game is not vetting people because if you start vetting people, your whole fucking game is busted. Yeah. That's why Carrie Cassidy will be like when she's attacking Kevin Moore, she'll be like he runs a sex shop in Amsterdam or whatever instead of being like he

runs a fucking psychic hotline. Are you kidding me? Yeah, that's a good point. Because that ruins her con. Right. She can't vet him the way that we can because the game is up then. Do they actually think that they're vetting people? I think they like to pretend that they are.

Like with a Google searcher, what are we doing here? I don't fucking know. It's nonsensical, but everyone knows better than to poke each other in the places where they themselves are vulnerable. Right. And that leads to nobody vetting anybody because

otherwise the entire game collapses. It's very collaborative, but it's like a Mexican standoff. Yeah. You know, it's just like, hey, I'll blow up your business if you blow up mine. Right. Right. Right. And no one's going to do that because it's self-mutual

assured destruction. Yeah. Yeah, the whole there's a whole network of people with guns basically pointed at each other's heads at all times just like, hey, you fuck this up for any of us. You fuck it up for all of us. Yeah. That's why the only things that are really almost universal

within these communities, these paranoid truth communities is attacking people who have left them. Yeah. You know, attacking people who have been like, I was inside these communities. It is toxic and awful. They're like, wow, this person got fucking flipped by the CIA.

Yeah. Or they make a personal attack that has nothing to do with their bullshit scam. Like he owns a sex shop, which is which isn't a personal attack, but it is some way that she's trying to smear the guy. He talks about it in this interview. We're not, I don't think I have a

clip of it, but he was talking about how when he was younger and he graduated from primary school, he was thinking about setting up a sex toy shop in Amsterdam, but then decided to go to university instead. And so he never actually followed through with those plans, but there are like documents you can find

from back then that would lead one to believe it's still an actual business. Oh, so it's not even an actual business anymore? No. At least according to him, I'll take his word about his own life over Carrie. Probably. Now he could be lying, but I don't see what function that serves.

Right. Like the idea of like covering up a sex toy shop that you're admitting you were going to start. It doesn't, it doesn't, there's no, there's no win. That doesn't track. No. Amongst his many, many lies. Yeah. So

in this next clip, I think we get what I'm going to describe as the thesis of Kevin Moore's position and he uses a buzzword that is tremendously important and it gets thrown around these these worlds and Alex's world.

Fucking Pearl Harbor is what he's using. No, that comes up later. Okay. I take what the documentary has done for me. The word discernment just is just beaming out at me right now and I want that the documentary to be a discerning documentary for I want to call it our community,

the community that the community that I've been a part of since 2008 when I first took up radio broadcasting at Glamorgan University in Wales. So discernment discernment is a buzzword with these people.

What is, what are they using discernment for? I mean, I think it means the same thing that you or I would think it means. The ability to tell truth from fiction. Yeah. That's what, you know, discerning the reality of like you bring something to me and I use my discernment to tell if I believe you or not.

Right, but they can't and won't and are incapable of doing that. So how are they even allowed to use the word discernment? The version of discernment is so based on subjectivity that it's like what resonates with your soul. That's what's true. That's your discernment

as opposed to it being informed by information. Empirical evidence. Objective reality. Yeah. Raptors not caring for chocolate. I know that. That doesn't resonate with me. How do you know that? It doesn't resonate with me. My discernment tells me that they're lactose intolerant.

They can't even have milk chocolate. Okay. I like that. I don't know. Where are they doing this interview? Is this a mall food court? What is going on here? That is a great question. I don't know. It is loud. There are so many people like walking by behind them. I think it might

be in a library. In a library? Well, that's even worse. I think it might be, well, I mean, it would be quieter in a library. It would have to be quieter in a library. Is that a bygone thing library and shushing people? I don't know. I think so. Do you think anything goes in a library now? I mean,

well, I think everybody in a library is just stoked that libraries are still a thing. Yeah. You know, people are walking in and librarians are like, I'm still in a library. You'll put up with a lot more these days in a library. Fuck you, Google. I'm not sure. I couldn't tell from the video where

it was taking place, but it looked like a room or a corner of a public building of some sort. Could be a food court. I mean, 100% could be a library, not a private setting. They couldn't get the studio space because Larry was recording

his follow-up. I see scars of green. So in this next clip, Kevin discusses him learning about the Pendragon part of Mark Richards murder, which if you are, if you haven't listened to all of the episodes that we've done,

it's Mark Richards plan to turn Marin County into his own kingdom styled after Camelot. And it literally would have worked if it weren't for those meddling kids. Murdering kids. Yeah. And if he had a laser, that was an important piece. Yeah, that was a problem.

Yeah. So he learns about that. Well, he's telling about his learning of that and how that was a change for him. Sure. I was also at the time recording a documentary on channeling, which is yet to be released. Again, that documentary

will be my journey and a lot more discerning. Now I've done this documentary discerning. So I get there and he shows us links. We record an interview together and I take these links away back to the UK that I'd seen and I was like, this is just not right. There's a backstory here on this guy, Mark Richards.

So he's talking about getting contacted by someone after doing his interview with Kerry and like a couple years after doing his interview with Joanne. Okay. The same guy gets in contact with him and is like, hey man, this is fucking nonsense. And he sends him information about

the the trial press clippings, what have you. So you would say that he probably didn't vet her very well. Oh, you mean Kevin didn't vet. Yeah, almost almost probably not a good not good at vetting

his guests. There's a story called Penn Dragon. Why isn't this on Kerry Casting's channel? So I I called her and why don't we play back the the audio recording

that we did with her now because she asked permission to recall that conversation. I've not released it yet and if you want to put it in this show we can play it back now. Okay. So what follows is a half hour recorded conversation. They just play the whole

oh yes. What on the phone god damn it. Kevin Moore calling Kerry Cassidy and that is what we're going to listen to. That they played the whole thing. Oh yeah. That can't be real. It is. They're taking away my freedom of choice. It's far more interesting

than a freedom of choice interview certainly. I would like to choose something else. I want to say before we get going up to a point I'm totally on Kerry's side in this phone call. That sounds right.

She is totally right about a number of things. As well as Pearl Harbor being a false flag. She's wrong about that. Prove it. My discernment says she's right. There's a social dynamic that's going on between her and Kevin Moore even back at this point

before he's even making the documentary about Mark Richards that she's on the right side of I think and we'll get into that as it goes along. Here is from the call Kevin bringing up this information about Camelot and about

the Penn Dragon and it's new information to him but it's not new information to Kerry but he doesn't seem to know that. He doesn't realize that Kerry knows all this shit. She just doesn't care. Yeah. And so there's a weird dynamic at play there. Wait so

he thinks that somebody emailed him out of the blue contacting him being like hey this whole this guy is evil and no one ever contacted Sweary Kerry who has spent years of her life now on this one? Yeah. Of course she knows. He either thinks

that or he's using the appearance of him thinking that as cover for trying to shame her for not covering this or something. I'm not entirely sure. Either way it's sort of patronizing and insulting. Yeah he's an asshole. It does seem real asshole-ish.

Well yeah what I've been wanting to reach you for was just to let you know about a chat that I run into when I was over in San Francisco so I was over at contact in the desert and

I just released my interview with yourself and when I was at contact then I was then this chat that this chat got in contact with this by audio by the phone. This is a boring story. Eventually we swapped numbers and everything else

to tell me a story about this chat Mark Richards. Skip to the end. Now initially I did not want to speak to him really because I didn't want anything to do with it. You know what I mean? I've put my interview with you out and it really it's really not my business

to be honest with you. But doing this documentary on channeling one thing it's shown me is that I've shown I've had to show discernment just in my channeling documentary quite a bit

right. Get that word out your mouth. If I'm going to apply it to that then maybe I should apply it to this other side as well this UFO side that I'm into. That raises the question why didn't you from the jump? Why did you apply discernment in your career

beforehand? Seems sloppy. You know we all grow we all grow and change. We all get a word a day calendar and discernment is on I don't know May 27th. Discernment it seems to be the only word on his word of the day calendar. Every day just remember discernment

be critical. So I thought about it and I thought we're gone then I'll speak to him and I did and it was interesting what he had to say. Are you going to ask a fucking question? This guy knew

the son of a guy called Baldwin this guy that was murdered in the case of Mark Richards that's how he knew the son

not the family much but anyway so he's telling me this story over the phone and he sends me a couple of links and it was just interesting what was in the what the links had to say. I'd never come across the murder before. I thought Mark Richards was you know innocent. Did you know what I mean

like probably you do as well You thought he was what? No I'm saying I thought he was innocent when I watched it. He is actually innocent. So that goes exactly how you kind of expect. Kevin Moore is a long-winded passive aggressive

speaker. No kidding. And Kerry zoned out and then it was like oh yeah he is innocent. Of course What the fuck are you talking about? I'm zoning. You talked to a guy? That was like hearing a story from my grandma. I mean you could sum that that was a two minute clip you could just sum that up in like five seconds. Yeah.

I got contacted by a guy who knows the victim's son and he had some information that I found really troubling. Would you like to hear more about it? Yeah. Boom. Not hard. No. But is uh You know and uh I got in touch with the guy. We had

Originally I didn't think I was going. We exchanged numbers and then I talked to him. I didn't know if I was going to talk to him but then we talked and he had pieces of paper. Didn't need to know any of that. That's passive aggressive. That is a way of that's kind of needling a little bit. Yeah in terms of how you're conveying your information.

So in this next clip he gets to the actual the pen dragon of it all and Gary doesn't care at all. I admire this response to an extent. Piffle!

It was actually a bit of a little famous case because this guy was a complete nutcase Mark was in some respects because he wanted to set this new camera up in the Golden Gate area. I know it sounds crazy what I'm saying to you but

again reading the court document You're assuming that I know nothing about the case when I've done a lot of investigation. Right. So I know all about that and actually he wasn't in that and he wasn't doing that and the whole thing was manufactured but it's you know I understand

the perspective out there and I understand the links and the things you've read. So what is the you know I guess kind of wanting you to cut to the chase because we don't have I don't have a lot of time I'm packing to go to the bars etc. So if you could what

new information was this person trying to provide? Well I never knew about that if you knew about these links before I don't think that's not like out there as those these links are out there and people can just find them. Most people go along with the story that you that that Mark

Rich is telling you. Most people? are the opposing 22 links or 23 links as I'm telling you that they won't know about those. No it's all you have to do is do a search on the web you can find this stuff. I don't think most people doing those searches they'll just take it as absolute. Well that's their business I mean that happens with

everything I release. They'll take that as absolute. You could say what people investigate and what they take. I mean it's dead easy to put a search term into Google and start your search. Sure sure I was one of those people that wouldn't have done that I don't think. I don't know why because you're an idiot.

Because you're fucking stupid that's why. I just blindly accept things that are said to me and I don't look into them at all yet I view myself as a pillar of truth. I don't know why that's the case but anyway I think Kerry it's your responsibility to tell every angle of you the stories and like look of course I a hundred percent

disagree with what Kerry believes and I think that there's probably a kernel of danger to like oh for sure. But she's right about this social interaction. One hundred percent. Hey hey Dick that's not my job. Cut to the chase.

Well also it's I'm running a fucking secret space program media operation it's not in my interests to try and debunk my own guests. If other people want to do that the information is out there why would

I direct them to it. I know about all that stuff I've chosen not to believe it. Fuck is wrong with you asshole. Yep the reveal that he's like oh I'm just one of those people who would never put it into a cursory

Google search. Yeah and that is a damning thing to hear coming from someone who had Mark Richard's wife on his show. Yeah that implies that he didn't do a Google search then. Nope because this information was out then like when he had Joanne on this information has been out since he murdered

that guy. Yeah there have been press clippings available all over the internet. So what I get from this is just I I mean at a certain point I think it goes bad for Carrie but

up till this point in this beginning of it I'm if she just hung up I would have been like Kevin you shouldn't have put that out. Yeah you look like a dick. Yeah and she looks like someone who just has her space and she's protecting her space. Like what what's wrong with that. Yeah from the first

from the first question that's like the first question which I can't believe that it took seven minutes to ask that question. Yeah well he's he's a little bit of a I don't know how to describe it he's just a bad talker. I mean that's that's not even a passive aggressive question that is clearly a

question that is an accusation. It is. Like hey you don't know about this that your guy is an accusation. Well that's the first accusation and then once he knows that she does know about it then it is like you're covering this up. Yeah. And she very well may be covering it up but it's

not like she has the ability to actually cover anything up. Right. She's just not recording that. Google search. Yeah so. And she points out to you. Yeah so in this next clip it gets a little bit more contentious and I think I'm still on Carrie's

side. Let's see. He was so out there anyway in the original court case you know. Talking about Mark. Yeah you know he had this he wanted to be the new King Arthur and such and put this. Yeah this is not accurate but nonetheless well well well

okay. This is an intelligence agency operation. And that could be. Whatever details they decided to paint. That could be the truth but what if that wasn't the truth and the opposite was true. Have you considered that. Anyone can entertain both sides of the

story. You know but what I'm saying I'm you know Kevin I'm trying to cut to the chase here. Are you bringing me new information. Are you just saying go look at those links. I've already done that so this is that would be the end of this conversation. If you have new information if that guy has

new information then what is the new information. Well I obviously I didn't know you knew about that so you know about those links right right right. For God's sake I've been an investigative reporter you know I'm interviewing some guy eight times they go to the trouble to go to prison I mean you know give me a little credit here

you know. I do investigate my sort people and their sources etc. So you know I do as much due diligence as I find necessary. And yes of course I've investigated the case. I think that you and I would probably have a different definition of due diligence

that's necessary. Yes 100% But whatever he's doing is just rude. Well what he's doing is also tacitly admitting that he doesn't do any investigative shit at all. Well I mean that keeps coming up. Like if he's asking her that question that's because

he assumes that she wouldn't know this that she wouldn't have looked into him at all. Meaning that he assumes that because he doesn't do it. Or he's trying to pass off the responsibility onto his guests of his own preparation. Yeah. Like the idea

of like okay so I had Joanne Richards on it's on her to have researched her husband. So if she's coming on and she's wrong then I'm not really wrong for talking to her. In the same way I have Carrie on whatever she's saying she has the responsibility of figuring out with her

guests are legitimate or not. Right. That's not good enough. So that's almost cowardly incompetence. Yeah. I would describe things I've seen of him as that. Yeah. So Carrie again tries to get down to business and be like hey do you got any

new information. Because this is old news. I'm packing. Yeah. Making a call to me you're claiming this guy calls you. Did the guy call you just to direct you to some investigation that you could do on your own. That you know

any regular person can just do. Yes. Or did he give you new information. No. Well I never knew about any of this. So to me it was new information to me. I get that. I do too. Yeah. I get that. Your mind's being blown by things I already know and have decided

not to care about. Yeah. I'm you're right. I'm really on swear to Carrie's side. That's how much of a piece of shit that guy is. It does seem that way. He is such an asshole. And Carrie seems to be trying to end this conversation because it has run

its course. Yeah. It's like this guy called me. He has this information that I found to be new. I thought it was interesting and added a layer to this story that you're not covering on your show. Oh I know about that. I just think it's bullshit. OK. Take care. Cool. That's

where it should end. You want to get coffee sometime. I don't know. We're both scamming and that's why I think Carrie gets insanely frustrated with him. Yeah. And she kind of then crosses into like this this sucks.

I do feel like there's she ends this poorly. Yeah. But it comes from a frustration that is very understandable. Absolutely. And she's not wrong about socially this is fucked up behavior. Do you know he reminds me so much of the energy

vampire from what we do in the shadows the show. It is such like that guy in the office just going in there just being like and yeah so have you ever seen that TV show. I can't remember the name of the TV

show. It's the one that has that guy in it. Have you ever seen that TV show. I haven't seen the TV show that you're referencing or the character is referencing. OK. Well let me talk about a different TV show then. Yeah. And then you stab him to death or you

should just be hang up. Yeah. Hang up. She's got to go to Barcelona. But you can't escape. So I think because Kevin won't let go of it and just be satisfied with the answer that yeah I've looked into this. Yeah. I don't care. Yeah.

Carrie just has to get into attack mode and the first thing she does is suggest that this guy who contacted Kevin is up to no good. Of course. For the purposes of this phone call I guess what you're doing is you're letting me know that you've done an interview with some guy who

knew the son of the guy that was murdered. Is that correct. That that's exactly who he was. Yeah. OK fine. So he's not exactly that close to the situation. Not at all. And he's also somebody who's coming forward years later

to suddenly try to contact you. Now it's interesting that he's trying to contact you. Yes it is. You said you interviewed Joanne and he did the same thing then. So then you have to ask yourself is this guy a paid informant. Is he working for the CIA. You know I mean there is all

kinds of reasons why a person comes forward in this way to try to bring a journalist such as yourself into one direction or another. Really. You can believe him and it's fine if you did an interview. You know I guess thanks for letting me know if it not that it matters too terribly

much to me. But you know if you think I'm going to change my point of view because this guy is suddenly coming forward to say. Oh no. Look at these links that have been out there for 20 years or 30 years. Absolutely. It's not important to me. No no absolutely you cannot you cannot

just judge a story just from one person's angle. So I even though that's a little bit stupid just being like well I mean you got to ask if this guy is the CIA that's a little bit overly paranoid. Maybe. At the same time Kerry is coming in with a position of like hey you

talk to this guy if you want to believe him that's fine. Yeah. There's not any kind of desire to convince him really of her correctness in the position. It's sort of like yeah believe it or the fuck you want to believe. I don't give a shit. I got to go to Barcelona. Yeah I. You know how great Spain is this time of year. I find the only issue

being that she called him a journalist. That's a problem. Other than that I think she's still shooting fire. And that she's really wrong. Yeah. But who cares. Yeah. In the same way she doesn't care if if Kevin believes this guy who contacted her I don't particularly care if she decides

to believe Mark Richards. Yeah this phone call should be over unless he unless he's got like okay cool now that we've got that question out of the way what exactly was Mark Richards doing at this time. Tell me about that so I can refute it later on. That's a whole different

thing. He was in space. Okay cool. I will tell people that then. Okay. It was great meeting you. Click. So instead of that resolution to the call Kevin stammers some more and great then Kerry gets a little bit aggressive on him. Let me

ask you this Kevin because obviously this guy had nothing new to add. No and have you ever investigated a false flag? No. Just wait one second. Have you ever investigated a false flag? Do you know what I mean when I say a false flag? I know what you mean by a

false flag. Yeah. I'm a psychic. I know what you mean by a false flag. Okay. Have you ever tried to investigate one? Well let me ask you this. Would you put these links out in a new video just to say look guys. Here's the here's this case. No that's not what I do. I have no

interest in that. I mean I'm not a voter trying to investigate his murder case. But then if I was covering listen if I was covering the Mark Riches stuff like you have done. You did. And if someone else came to me with well you knew about the links before. You knew about the 23 plus links online

anyway. It's out in the public domain. You can investigate the case any time you want. Why wouldn't you just have the opposing there in the video to say look here's here's what you're saying. No actually that's not that's not what my job is. I mean everyone does what they want my job is in our discussions

are not about a murder for which he was framed over 30 years ago. I mean she's wrong obviously. Yeah. But it isn't her job. No. She's right. What does he put links to why a fucking

channeling is bullshit under all of his videos. Exactly. What are you talking about you idiot. Yeah it's it's such a hypocritical expectations of another con person. Yeah for sure. And you know whatever. I wish they would all get right with the story

or whatever. Probably. It would be nice if everybody had a more rigid sense of intellectual honesty. We'd live in a better world. Right. I would love it if Carrie with the access that she has to Mark Richards actually took the story seriously

and you know told the fullness of it. Yeah. But I don't think that's her job either. Nope. I don't know what her job actually it's entertaining. Yeah isn't it just being a space weird out. The only thing that's dangerous about it at all

is people thinking it's real. Right. And a lot of people do but there's going to be people who believe crazy stuff is real all the time. Yeah. It's she's just one in the large family of people who are tricking people with entertainment and so is fucking Kevin. Yeah

I would prefer if people are going to believe weird bullshit. I would prefer if every Info Wars fan who believes that weird bullshit would go over to sweary Carrie and believe that bullshit. I think there's slightly less damaging probably. There's a lot of overlap as we've seen. Yeah. But it would

I would say Carrie is by degrees less dangerous. Cry was not they're going to take our guns and more the raptors are coming. I'm I'm coming is a good thing. Right. Well the reptoids are fighting them. Right.

But the raptors are coming to help us with the reptoids. Yeah. But and the mantis and spider leadership. Yes. So as you asked what was the what's what happened why isn't Mark guilty of course he was off planet naturally as Kerry explains in this clip

and also I think this clip is kind of where I turn the corner on like I don't want to defend her anymore. Okay. I still think he's being rude to her but I lose all interest in defending her after this but he's in my view he's completely innocent. He was off the planet when the fucking murder happened

if that's the truth. If that's the truth if he was that's the truth secrets. If you don't understand I mean I have so much evidence of the way this this works. Have you ever looked at Obama's birth certificate. Oh no. Really got to

get a grip. This is a whole different way of looking at reality. The false flags the reason I ask you about false flags is that if you investigate false flags you begin to go down a rabbit hole which is unbelievable

of people who are lying about people killing being killed. I mean listen to my interviews with James Fetzer. Ask yourself why YouTube doesn't want those interviews out there in the public. They've deleted them off my site. He's he's in X Marine

he's a tenured professor for zillions of years. He's written over ten books. He's a heavy duty investigator a very respectable man and he investigates in minutia every false flag that has happened

in the United States. He's he's obsessed with it. And so what you really have to do is look at the false flag start to see how evidence can be manufactured by the secret government by law enforcement under orders

from higher ups etc and disappeared etc. You really have to go down that road. It's a fascinating journey and I encourage you to take it. I don't have time right now to educate you as to all the steps but I can encourage you to watch my James Fetzer interview which is no longer

on YouTube. It is now on Steemit and also on what is this called Bitshoot. Bitshoot is a place where people who get thrown off other social media's end up putting videos. I like that she didn't even know that this was going to be played

on another show and she still got a plug in. That's good shit. And you know what else? Professional behavior. This is being played on Kevin's channel and on Freedom of Joyce and I'm certain we have more listeners than both combined

which makes me feel a little bit awkward about this because Kerry has more listeners than us probably. So there we go. But these two I think it's miniscule comparatively but at the same time it's a continuation of a

storyline so I feel bad punching down but in this case it's kind of inevitable. It's gotta go. It's gotta go. So now in that last clip we see the difference between or the point at which where that defense goes away. What I'm talking about

is the defense of like, hey Kerry it's not to say that Mark was a murderer and is making all this up. Yeah. It's not a job. She's telling a story all this like and I could kind of see it there. I think I would probably feel differently if there was any chance Mark was going to get out

of prison. Yeah. I think I would feel very differently. For sure. Because then I'd be like oh he's going to start a cult that actually could get some traction. Uh oh. Yeah. But since he's locked up it's kind of just you know it's sci-fi novels that people are

internalizing as real. Now the flip side of that and where that logic goes astray is James Fitzer. Jim Fitzer. Uh Kerry does have a responsibility to point out one of the things that he thinks is a false flag and that is the holocaust.

Oh So when when she's talking about like he's a great scholar and they're like alright you do like that is where you do have a responsibility I think. A little bit. So Fitzer is a really

interesting clue. Like as we already know now why but it's a clue as to how bad Kerry actually is. I think it's a Rosetta Stone that you can use to translate. Oh so that's why those videos were taken down is because he's a holocaust denier. Yeah. Okay

that's that's good. She should have put that in the why did they not want to. Right. Yeah yeah that one that one would have been nice. His case is actually really interesting because in the early 2000s Fitzer was a very popular conspiracy theorist. He was an actual professor and because of that standing his arguments about JFK

and 9-11 were immediately elevated and given the appearance of credibility. His work was shit and most of it was entirely debunked and the rest of the stuff that isn't debunked is just the stuff that's too absurd to even debunk like the ideas that 9-11 was done with super powered lasers. I like it though. But even

so even despite all of his work being shit he achieved a celebrity status in conspiracy worlds and was a bit of he was the toast to the town. He's a holocaust denying Hamamoto. Well but here's the thing something happened and he went full holocaust denier along the road. He wasn't initially. Yeah.

When he was putting out these theories about 9-11 and JFK he was coming at it from a perspective of entering the conspiracy world. It's unclear exactly why he decided to go in the holocaust denial direction but some have suggested that it was the natural

conclusion to the path he was on. Fetzer's career was characterized by severely uncritical readings of primary sources and a nearly pathological drive towards sensationalism. He never cared too much about academic rigor and was constantly chasing the high of making claims that got him attention.

It feels like it might have only been a matter of time until he realized that denying the holocaust would perhaps be the most sensational thing he could do and there was plenty of bad information he could read to defend his claims. Yeah. That's pretty much top of the list in terms of wild out there

claims that will get you, you know, there's no going up a lot of attention. Yeah. Bad attention. Yeah. But it's a lot. What is it? What else can you deny or call a false flag that's bigger than the holocaust? Well, I mean, he did write the book. No one died at Sandy Hook also. So that's

you know, that got him a lot of attention. Yeah, that's troublesome. So on May 21st, 2013, Jim Fetzer wrote a speech in an event at Madison, Wisconsin, hosted by jazz musician Gilad Atsman, where he came out publicly as a holocaust denier. This makes sense because Atsman believes

that the narrative of the holocaust is a religion for socialist Jews who are trying to use the religion to create a new world order. Okay, that might be troublesome. In 2017, Atsman put out a book that argued that Hitler will be vindicated by history. The book has been described by a United

Kingdom Jewish watchdog group as quote possibly the most anti-Semitic published in this country in recent years. That's an accomplishment, though. Sure. You got to give him that. You got to give it up to the Somali pirates. You got to give it up. So anyway, Fetzer likes to hang out with that guy and he gave a speech

at his event where he decided to argue publicly for the first time in his career that the holocaust was a false flag. I love that it's put on by a jazz musician. So it gives this with the holocaust never happened. All right, we're going to play some Miles Davis over there. So in

2015, Fetzer started publicly supporting the Paul McCartney is dead conspiracy theory. That same year, he released a book called quote and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either subtitled the Beatles, the holocaust and other mass illusions. Yikes.

That is a fucking title. Yeah. That is a man that is a title. One review of the book said it is quote poorly researched and badly edited. Which I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I believe that. But, you know, that suggests that he's he can turn a phrase. Yeah.

And this is where we get to learn something about Kerry Cassidy that changes my tune on pretty much all of this. After Fetzer started denying the holocaust, he wasn't really as hot an item in conspiracy circles anymore. Surprise. It really says a lot about someone if they're still interested in interviewing

Jim Fetzer in the present day. Jim Fetzer has been on project Camelot as recently as October 19th, 2018, where he did a two part episode about how Christine Blasey Ford was engaged in a Psyop against Brett Kavanaugh, which is suspiciously exactly what Alex Jones believes. Hmm.

So I've been defending Kerry to a certain extent and mostly because I think Kevin Moore is a dick. He's being a dick to her. Yeah. But the same things I'm defending her for, there is a bad version of the same behavior. Right.

Right. And I think it's important to recognize that you know, you got to you got to look at things on a sliding scale with people like this. Yeah, no, they're like not telling people that Mark Richards is a murderer is kind of funny. It's kind of funny

in terms of lack of integrity. Yeah. Not telling people that James Fetzer is a holocaust denier is irresponsible and dangerous in terms of academic dishonesty. Yeah, intellectual dishonesty. That kind of raises, you know, we've

we've always known she's got some solid anti-Semitism going on. A little bit. But having the holocaust denier on there kind of raises that up to a larger red flag for me. And also, you know, what do we call it? Sweeping it under the rug. You know, not

you know, not addressing it. Yeah, this is this is one of those, you know, I got no heroes here and it's fun to let them slap fight. But you know, yeah, it's like I can say you both suck. I can still even if I don't like either of them say you're being a dick to the person

I don't like. Yeah, I suppose maybe my largest issue is how awful he is at talking. He's pretty bad. I don't want to talk to him. No. So in this next clip, Carrie just outright tells Mark not Mark, Carrie

outright tells Kevin that this information that you're coming to me with, I know all about it. It's bullshit. Dear Kevin, shut the fuck up. If you want to believe evidence that you see in front of you that these people think they're giving you and so on. So it doesn't it's your choice. You know, you have to rely on your intuition.

You have a freedom of choice. You have to rely on your ability to investigate. And if you think that I should be putting those links on my website, I appreciate your opinion. But I'm not doing it. Okay. Because I think it's bullshit. Nice. And I think that's fair too. I think it is. I think she's right. Yeah.

Like I don't again, I do think that the motivation largely comes from a preservation standpoint of like, well, my narrative would be completely destroyed if everyone believed that he was a murderer and just making all this shit up and tricking me. Yeah.

I'm not going to post this stuff. I don't have to. Yeah. I don't know. I just it's it's a weird dynamic at play because it's yeah, she's not going to be able to weave in. Oh, I was wrong about him murdering somebody, but he's still

right about everything else. Yeah. You know, that's carrying too much weight. Yeah. He was off-planet on a secret space program mission because it, you know, it's established that he's lying about that. Then it calls into question his integrity about all

other space-related claims. Yeah. So in this next clip, Kali makes probably the worst defense of Marx you could possibly make. The holocaust didn't happen. That's her friend. The murder happened, right?

So who did kill, who did kill him? Who did kill him? And claimed that I masterminded it. How can I, how can I counter that? Seriously. It's a method of the mind. You're talking about a man who didn't come with any kind of instrument

show up on the scene or anything. He was supposed to have masterminded. That is a mental. Mastermind, you know, whatever that was called. I guess no. Waco. You know, are these people responsible?

Yeah. Did Jesus persuade people of things? Or did he verbally get, you know, did you record his voice? Did he actually write in the Bible those words? Well, we don't know any of that. But we're talking about this particular case. This is what we're talking about.

Think about it. You know, you're talking about, it's basically when you reduce it all down, it's fucking word of mouth. There's nothing that can prove it. Wow. I mean, that's a little bit not fair. It's word of mouth. Yeah, it's almost word of mouth

that Mark. Is everything word of mouth then? Well, I guess so, yeah. It has to be. If that's if your argument is David Koresh didn't have anything to do with Waco and fucking Jesus wasn't real. Well, I don't know if she was saying Jesus wasn't real. I think she's more

saying that Jesus didn't actually persuade anybody of anything. It wasn't a mastermind or something. I guess. If you take that standard to sort of universalize it, everything on her show is word of mouth. Were you there on the moon?

Word of mouth. Yeah. Are you going to Indiana tonight to do a show? Who knows? Word of mouth. I'm not going to be there. I don't know if you're going to be, I don't know, you might just be fucking trying to get out of plans we didn't have tonight. Well, then you are a very discerning fellow. Discerning.

So the claim is that actually what's going on here is there's a straw man in play. And that is that Cary has taken the mastermind idea of Mark masterminded this murder and turned it into he was mind controlling

these 17 year olds into doing his bidding. Yeah. Because that's an easier thing to argue against than planning. He paid them. Yeah. He promised them a car. She just doesn't understand the definition of the word mastermind. Yeah.

It takes on superheroic connotations to her and because of that she attacks that mastermind idea by blaming potential other people who might have mind controlled crossy Hoover and it's the Nazis

Professor X, Jean Ray, any number of these? It's the Nazis. Oh, okay. You cannot prove that those 17 year olds were brain controlled by him. Who else could brain control and who's very likely to mind control people?

Well, hello, the Nazis. Well, hello, the people that took over mind control technology from the Nazis, which is the secret government. Well, hello. He had this idea. It's individual or is it the state? You know, you put your allegiance with the state

in this conversation, certainly. And, you know, all I'm saying to you is that's not my point of view. I see way beyond that. And I've got I've got proofs for so many years. And, you know, it's just ridiculous. A little condescending there. I'm way beyond that.

At the same time, though, I mean, she swung me a little bit with like you're just talking for the state. Yeah, I know. My anti establishment anti authority bone has been has been triggered. I was like, yeah, man, he's

talking about it. Oh, shit, right. But that's how this stuff works. That's how the manipulation works. So this next clip carries really condescending and then he called her out of the blue. She doesn't need

to have this argument. I'm not judging the condescension because I think he deserves it. Yeah. But at the same time, she should have hung up. She can just stop at any time. There's no reason this call needed to be like half an hour long. It's absurd that it is. And it just gets to her being rude to him. But one of

the things she's rude about is so fucking awesome. You have to put your mic down for this next clip because it's kind of subtle. But in the middle of it, Carrie complains about the lighting in the interview that she did with Kevin Moore because she did that interview and she's like she complains about the

visual of the interview and then twice Kevin mutters in self-defense. But it's kind of low. So just listen for that. It made me laugh so hard. All I can tell you is look at Obama's birth certificate

and ask yourself, that fucking guy was president of the United States and the lies are just so plentiful. It's unbelievable. So get a grip. This is the reality we live in. I didn't create it but I can tell you that if you want to believe the evidence

that this man is showing you, that's already very much in the public domain and has been for 30 God knows how many years, do so. It's alright. If you want to put it on your website if you want to put all the links for people you've done an interview with me

which is not very nice because it was visually horrible. But aside from that, I think my information was good and clear. I don't encourage people to think what I want them to think. I want them to think for themselves but I'm not on the other hand

I am not going to become a worker for the state and post their bullshit. I'm not going on to mainstream news and post their lies. I'll post what I feel is the closest thing to the truth and allow people to decide for themselves.

If it wasn't coming from her I think that that's a good position. That was borderline of St. Crispin's speech for me. I saw you getting real pumped. I'm not going into the fucking state. I'm going to do whatever needs to be done. If you knew nothing about Carrie Cassidy

you'd be like, yeah. Let's fucking do that. The mainstream media, all their lies. You hear that sort of stuff and you're like I'm into this. You go to her channel and it's like, here's a holocaust denier here's somebody talking about aliens. Here's people talking about fighting Beatles

in Vietnam. It would have been a very different speech that Patton had given if he started with and also the president's birth certificate is fake. Anyways, let's go fight World War II guys. Come on. But man, I think it's so funny

how sort of cowed he is. It was visually awful. It wasn't visually bad. Stop it. My interview was good. I mean. It's so funny too because Carrie

like visually her videos are just garbage. They're just like kind of grainy Skype calls. It's like he had cameras. This is like, this is not this is not the pot calling the kettle black. This is watching the pot

and the kettle stare each other down. Like this is crazy. So at this point you get Kevin talking about the pen dragon of it and the idea that Mark had intended to set up a new Camelot

and Carrie realizes there's a lot of times people have used the word Camelot. Why don't I yell about it for a little while? And then at the end of her yelling she reveals something about her former partner in Project Camelot Bill Ryan who is no longer with the operation. He is apparently

now he's like fled to Ecuador or something like that. He's in some like Central South American country. I don't know what he's up to but he seems like he doesn't like what's going on with Carrie much and he's not into Mark Richards.

So of course he has that going for him. He's got to be got if you're not into Mark Richards. But she's not talking negatively about him here. I think she knows better than that. He knows too much. But this is weird. He did talk about he wanted

to get a part of Marine County and transform it into the model of Camelot. I mean, you know I don't know. That sounds kind of benign to me. What's the model of Camelot? You know what? Kennedy and Jackie were known for the return

of Camelot. What do you think about that? What's the name of something too? Well, no they've not murdered anyone. What do you want to accuse me of? As far as people could say, I'm fucking crazy.

I think I'm the reincarnation of Guinevere. What are you going to do about that? I sound fucking crazy. I can tell you that Bill Ryan comes from the Arthurian bloodline according to Illuminati that we've got proof of that. Okay?

He's O-negative. What do you want to do with that information? You want to say we're crazy? Is he really a descendant of the Arthurian bloodline? He's been told by several psychics he is. That's my intuitive take. He doesn't claim it. He doesn't even like hearing that. But what do you want to do

with this stuff? It sounds outlandish. It sounds like we're all fucking crazy. And if you want to come to that conclusion, you're very welcome to do so. Now, Kevin was trying to make a pretty good point and that is Bill Ryan thinks he's descended from King Arthur. He hasn't murdered anybody.

Which is kind of the crux of the conversation. I really love a good... What do you think about that? Huh? Yeah. I swear he had a couple of those moments there. Here are the places that Camelot has come on. Yeah. Kennedys. What do you think about that? What do you think about that, huh? My show is called

Project Camelot. Bill Ryan had psychics telling him he's descended from King Arthur, who never existed. How about you go into a trance and tell me about your Arthurian bullshit? He's O-negative. Right. Cool. Cool. Good arguments all around. I like the O-negative. I'm

a big fan. Yeah. Well, there's that BAM type O-negative. Yeah. What do you do about that? Oh, you got me. So, in this next clip, Kevin is talking about going to this conference called Contact in the Desert

and he's not talking about going there and realizing Mark is full of shit or anything like that. He's just bringing it up almost in a way as to say like, I went to this conference and I got a little bit disillusioned with the

UFO community, but Carrie thinks that someone poisoned his mind against Mark Richards there the Contact in the Desert. Gotcha. And so she turns on Contact in the Desert a heel turn for the ages. You know, I think there's

truth out that this is my take on it right now especially up to being at Contact in the Desert and AlienCon. There's truth out there. You know, Contact in the Desert is a fucking anti-warms. A lot of those people are mind-controlled. They're lying through their teeth. They're not being honest and I can go right down the

list of speakers and tell you who's lying. I was going to say. If you're using that as a reference or some kind of logical thought, I'm sorry. No, I was going to say to you that going to these places, there's about 20% of truth if

that and 80% bollocks if that. 20% is true. I think there's so much disinformation in the UFO field. So much. It's ripped apart by disinformation. Ripped apart. Yeah, it certainly is.

I would say you got to throw the baby out with the bath water when it's an 80-20 bullshit ratio. You think so? I think so. Probably a good idea to start from scratch and see if you can get it at least up to 50-50. Hold yourself responsible

then for creating spaces wherein you don't let the bullshit in. Because if that 20% is so real and so valuable and you know what, I'm sure there are some ghost alien researchers who aren't wacky

nonsense. Maybe. I'm willing to believe that such a person exists. I'm yet to see them. Right. In an infinite universe, yes, all things are possible. Right. If that person does exist, then it behooves them to preserve that

20% by harshly excluding the 80% of liars. You have to because if you don't those 80% are going to thrive and you know what they do? They support each other by helping protect each other's cons.

The same dynamic we're talking about about not vetting your guests is what is 80% due to make sure that they remain the 80% in that space. For sure. Of liars. By the way, it's 99 or 100. It's pretty much 100. It's pretty much 100.

It's shit. And you know what else you're behooved to do? Exactly what Kevin is doing about Mark Richards. But also about yourself. Yeah. That's the problem. What he's doing is a new con. It's a new

muscle. He's trying to create legitimacy for his discernment about his channeling and his own business by putting a feather in his cap of taking out Mark Richards. Yeah. It's disgraceful. It's

Yeah, it is. It does seem like a cannibalistic exercise that he's going through. Yes. 100%. He's willing to take the risk of eating himself

by attacking Kerry in order to try and take over Mark Richards. He won't though. Because no one other than us is even paying attention to this bullshit. Of course not. The possibility that his documentary could be seen

outside of the space interested community in these worlds seems low. The possibility of me getting a half hour on Netflix. I don't think that he has much to

worry about in those communities with him going after Mark Richards. And then people are like, wait a second. You run a psychic hotline. Yeah. No one's going to make that trend. Because the only people paying attention are within the community already. And they already

believe the other stuff. Yeah. There aren't people looking into this stuff. Because it's so subterranean. It's so far outside of what most normal people pay attention to. So these cons get to flourish. And

it's a little bit of a bummer. But it makes for more fun for us. I'm a little bit put off by this entire conversation now. Because now it seems like Kerry is full on bullying him and really trying to steamroll over him.

You have to consider that she's been putting up with this for like 20 minutes on the line. And like within the first five or so she was like if you don't have new information this conversation isn't really, you know, we don't have anything else to talk about. So I

understand why she would steamroll him. For sure. Because she's sick of the bullshit. And she can't she can't attack him in a way that would be useful. Right. And I also find him to be manipulating and goading her into

this bullshit. So I don't like, like it was fun whenever Sweary was doing just great. And now it seems like he's putting these little needles in everywhere he can. He's trying to goad her into screaming. And it's this, it's that manipulative bullshit

of somebody who's like, yeah. It seems like that could be subconsciously what he's doing. But I also just think that he doesn't I don't know. It seems like a lack of awareness on his part of like I do believe that there's a possibility that he's just

wired in such a way that he doesn't think that Kerry knows all this stuff. And he thinks he's bringing her new information. Yeah. And then when it's like, oh, no, I already know this stuff. It's all bullshit. He doesn't know where to go with it and doesn't want to sound like an idiot on the phone. So he's trying to find different ways to bring up the same

information and Kerry's sick of it. It's just like, do you fucking know about false flags as well? Do you know about this stuff? Oh, sure. He was trying to start Camelot. My show's called Project Camelot. Bill Ryan has Arthur's blood. That was a bit of an escalation. Yeah. But that

kind of makes sense in terms of a phone call you don't want to be on. Yeah. Like I get, I get where you're coming from, but I think it could all be him being a poor communicator out of his depth in terms of

communicating with someone who's like, she's done this before. Someone's called her a liar before. Yeah. But at the same time, he's purposefully recording this. But so is she. Oh, she's recording it too? Yeah. She brings up like three minutes in or so.

She's like, I'm going to record this. So they're both recording it. I think that's what makes it legal for him to play it. Oh, okay. What are these people doing? I don't know. But I think it's probably smart for Kerry to have done that just as a self-defense kind of thing. Yeah, for sure. Because this guy's a manipulative

piece of shit. But she didn't know that back then. But once it became a thing where he was bringing up stuff about Mark Richards, it seems like it would have been a wise decision just in case he could edit something or have your own version of it. For sure. So in this next clip, Kevin tries to pretend that when

he had Joanne on the show, he was skeptical. I think some of the things he mentioned and talks about, I think when I interviewed Joanne about years ago, I mean, many moons ago, I just thought, God, this is so far-fetched, some of this stuff. No, that is not at all how he comported himself. He was helping

her make the narratives. He established on his own without her helping at all that Mark was off-planet. When the murder happened, he was an active participant in the far-fetchedness of it. The very first question, I believe, was like, everything that you say is true.

Tell me a little bit more about that. Basically. Yeah, that's nonsense. So at the end of the interview, if you can call it that, phone call, annoyance, Kevin just kind of gives up on what he's trying to do because I think he realizes I've hit a brick wall. There's no real point here. I should

have hung up a long time ago. This is rude of me to have continued and Carrie is just like, I don't really care what you do. Yeah, which is fair. Your small potatoes. I don't think it's that. Yeah, I think it is a secureness in her established

delusion. You know, like, I know that I know whatever information you're going to throw at me. I've decided what I believe. Now you decide what you believe. Let's live our lives. I don't care what you do. Yeah, that's fair. Like I said, I never went to him. This guy came to me. It wasn't like I was even

looking at this, but it was just interesting. Yeah, I get it. You know, I mean, you don't have to let me know what you're going to do. Just do whatever you do. It doesn't matter to me, you know, to be honest. I mean, everything doesn't. I mean, you can do what you do. You're an independent agent. And if you want to

let Joanne know that, you know, as a journalist, you're going to do something, you know, whatever, that's fine, too. I mean, you have contact with her. I'm sure if you don't, if you need her email address, I'll send it to you. But that's, you know, I mean, it's, it's really neither here nor there what you've said

to me in this conversation, because it's not anything I'm not aware of and have dealt with not just to do with this case, but so many others. It's unbelievable. Right. Okay. All right. And they say farewell.

I would say outside of defending a Holocaust denier, I don't think that Carrie did any, like I think I support pretty much her entire position. Yeah. Except for, and it's a big except. That is, it's a big caveat. Right.

Defending a Holocaust denier is tough for me to get over. Yeah. I don't think I can, but in terms of social dynamics, Carrie was well within her right to be rude and swear at him and all that. He's being a dick. Oh yeah. Absolutely.

And him playing this on Terry Joyce's show is also doubling down. Yeah. It's also being a dick. Yeah. Now at the same time, Carrie is being a dick to him in the present day by having that weirdo follow him around and do a quote unquote investigation

about him and call him a pedophile. Yeah. Like she's way out of line too. So I got no one's back with the exception of her being rude to him. Totally understandable. On the phone. On the phone. Yeah. On the phone.

Let's see. I'm rooting for you know what? I'm going to root for Carrie on this one. I want her to win. And then I want her to be eaten alive by somebody else. I'm going to root for some sort of government regulation on propaganda.

No, maybe not. Well, I think that would be too easy to spiral out of control and to like suppressing all speech. Yeah. Yeah. I'm rooting for all of them to just have some actual exposure of like

what they put out into the world. Yeah. Because we need. Are you rooting for some sort of ironic punishment? We need Kevin's documentary being made by not him. Yeah. That's what you need. Yeah. And you need a documentary about Project Camelot being made by someone

who isn't also a fucking channeler. Yeah. Like someone who doesn't have to protect the business. Someone who can actually be like, this is how the sausage is made. Or a bunch of dicks. Someone who doesn't get channel a fucking ghost and then have

that ghost tell him how great he is. Right. His own voice. No, he doesn't have to do a character. You don't have to modulate your voice because you are such a good boy. So now it's interesting that you bring that up the channeling portion because we get back to Terry Joyce

in his interview. They come back after playing the tape and there's a lot of casting dispersion on Kerry. Of course. Terry believes that Kerry might be working for Michael Aquino who as I understand is dead and was a guy who's

not a problem in this world. He started an offshoot of the church of Satan. It's a bunch of it's it's a mess. Not a problem in this world. Dead or alive. Everybody's helping everybody out. Terry brings up that Kerry is like she seems to have a lot of people

who are criminals who end up as guests on her show. It seems like an important caveat. Yeah, that's a fair point. Yeah, John David Morton. Yep. The Rick Richards. There's some others that I don't know. I'm not

going to necessarily double down on because I haven't looked into them myself. I don't know if they're actually criminals but it is an interesting trend. A lot of them are criminals who seem to be interested in fraud. If not convicted still eligible to be a criminal.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. They're eligible for a felony. Fraud. If anybody was looking in. Yeah. So in this next clip from their interview they've had that conversation and they get around to talking about Simon Parks who is the former MP from England

who says that about once or twice a year he has sex with an alien and he's a fervent defender of Mark Richards. He is one of the ones who Kerry goes to all the time. Yeah. Simon's got the information. He talks to manted beings.

They got Mark's back. They vouch for all this. I remember liking as an MP. I think I thought he was doing a pretty good job. Be better than Nigel Farage. Perhaps almost certainly. Yeah. So he claimed, Simon Parks claimed

that he had intelligence contact in the UK who vouched for all of Mark's stuff and could prove that Mark wasn't lying about all this bullshit. Well he was an MP so he would have access to that. I don't think he is anymore so

look I don't want to I don't want to split it. He claimed that he had all this proof and then Kevin contacted him and was like well if you have the proof I'm more than happy to look at it. Like obviously that would change everything and Simon won't let him see all the proof.

Surprise. It's classified. So Kevin has decided he's lying. GHCQ wouldn't allow that shit out there. No, no, no. Home Office says no sir. No thank you. So I'm going to go ahead and get that shit. But where Kevin takes that

is problematic as we know that he channels aliens. When you're paired to lie LIE to an audience that size and keep a straight face what other bullshit are you talking about

on your other parts of your information that you're given now? I hate him. I hate him so much. You're not allowed to say that. You're totally crazy. You're just literally not allowed to say that. He has tons of videos on his YouTube channel where he just closes his eyes and is like

I am now talking from an alien. He's lying with a straight face. He doesn't always have a straight face. Sometimes he's smirking. Which is even more infuriating. You can't be like if Simon Parks is lying about having

documents about Mark Richards what other bullshit is he doing with alien aliens? If you're willing to channel aliens on your show what other bullshit are you doing? Yeah. But that's part of why

I entirely believe that this is all part of an intentional strategy which is Kevin wants to corner the market of safe to that community debunkings. He wants to take the space

of skeptic within the community who also still runs a psychic hotline. He wants that space really badly and I take that from this at the end here where he's laying out some plans to make more documentaries.

I just wish that I hope that if this just helps one person in this information in this interview then job done. I will be walking away from it at some point and starting another documentary Simon Parks will be a documentary that I am going to be doing as well

so we'll quarry good at David Wilcock but not from this space not from his anger. You hear that at the end? I'm going to make documentaries about these people but not from the same place of anger. He's coming from a place of anger with Kerry which is unhealthy

certainly seems out of line with what those aliens you channel would want you to do or even just Oasis would tell you not to do this. Don't look back in anger. Don't do it! I think that he is a completely

fucked up dude who's operating from a position of bad faith and doing something that obviously we want to be done that's what sucks. I can't trust his Mark Richard's documentary some of the information probably you can

verify it and all that but I can't trust the intent of it because it comes from him. I want a Mark Richard's documentary I would even want a fucking Simon Parks documentary but that would be amazing. Talk to people who worked with him in the government

it would be so awesome. The moment he was like I'm going to do a documentary about Simon Parks I had all these ideas and I was like yeah that's a great idea man that would be fucking great. These topics are great for documentaries and great

for documentaries coming from a critical perspective but I don't want him doing them. God it'd be even more because it only is in service of him establishing a position of unassailability in terms of like because then he could be like I channel these aliens

and be like are you fucking serious look I'm skeptical. I took her down because bad about it. That only increases my legitimacy. I'm telling the truth because look I am a skeptic towards this so my channeling I obviously

have interrogated it and did a cursory Google search on every ghost that I'm fucking channeling. It's building a wall around himself to deflect attacks of him being full of shit and I can't support that. Well at the same time trying to

siphon away Kerry's audience God what is this dude's fucking deal I hate him. And I really would be even more I'm going to be so mad if it turns out the documentary is just fucking

perfect. It could be. He nails it everything. I've seen some of the other stuff he's made and it's not as professional like his vlogs and stuff. It doesn't inspire a ton of confidence and his trailer though it contained clips

of interviews that I think might be interesting to see. The voiceover was terrible. The editing wasn't great. So if he's working if that's a sample of the work I think that it could be not that good. It's not going to Sundance.

I really hope that actually now I'm hoping that he never releases it because I feel like people are going to demand that we do an end game style. I'm willing to do that. I'm willing to do that. I'm willing to do all sorts of things. I'm willing to go to the UK and interview Simon Parks.

I'm willing to make a documentary about it. I'm not willing to do that. So now it's interesting here that Kevin Moore is on this show, this Terry Joyce The Freedom of Joyce show. And he's going on and on about discernment.

We've heard him within the interview with Terry and in the call with Carrie say discernment multiple times. It's over the place. It seems like the buzz word of the day this is what it's all about discernment. It's one thing

to let someone, something awful slide when you're just coasting in life. Granted, you're coasting while pretending to be able to channel alien intelligence. This is who could probably easily have told you Mark Richards was full of shit back when you interviewed his wife. But you could see how that might be a low priority for these aliens

to tell you about things. So that's the difference of discernment. Discernment is something you must practice. So back earlier he could make the argument. I wasn't practicing this discernment about these topics. But now discernment is key. So Kevin says

in this interview with Terry that this is a very important interview. This was an important interview I thought I'd do with you. And right now I'm at war. That's how I feel. So this is a very important interview

for him. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you go on the Freedom of Joyce show it seems like just one in a long line of instances where Kevin Moore shows shitty, shitty discernment. Because for one

he's saying it's an important interview. This video has been up for a couple days now. It has a couple hundred views. Did she make it on the radio though? I don't know. I don't think so. And I don't think the audience is much more than that. This is a very small audience that he's speaking to.

This is not an important interview for him to do. That's crazy. I wonder if she put in the comments of the YouTube video a lot of links to showing how much of an asshole that Kevin is.

That debunked his bullshit. He would want that, right? Ostensibly that is what he hopes for all of the people who interview anybody to do. But in these fucking links to show where he's full of shit, right? It seems unlikely

because even though at the beginning of their interview they talked about how Carrie doesn't vet her guests and about how Kevin and Terry, they would vet. They would absolutely sit down and vet their guests. Here's why I don't think she does that.

One, she's doing this interview right now. Two, she's had Randy Kramer on as a guest who's the super soldier who Carrie has also had on who told stories about going to space and then miraculously being returned into his bed

minutes after he had left. After years of fighting in space. Yeah, but the space ghost that Kevin Channels told him, that was true. So, I mean, his story is no less or more credible than Mark's. It's just he didn't murder a guy. Yeah, that's true.

I understand. That should give you a lot more points though. You do get points for having a guest who hasn't murdered a guy. You don't get points, you get a pass. It doesn't matter that you interview a guy who lies about space because he didn't murder a guy.

I guess. So, you have the same guest there. That shows that your discernment or whatever is probably about the same as Carrie's. Now, I have strong reason

to believe that Terry Joyce her discernment is far worse than Carrie's. Oh, no. Because there's a guy who's been on, I think, once maybe twice on Project Camelot who has been on Terry's show 17 times. That's probably too many.

That's Steve D. Kelly, the guy who believes that there is an alien base under the Getty Museum. Right. Okay. Now, in his defense, there is. She is a huge fan of Steve Kelly.

Anybody with the tiniest amount of discernment would be able to watch a video of his and be like, oh my god, this guy is a fucking creep. He has no evidence to back up anything he's saying. And then if you had any bit of like vetting that you wanted to do, you could dig in

and I think I did this within an hour or two hours of just looking into it. Oh my god, this guy seems like someone who steals people's guns who sent them to him to have lasers put on them. That's right. That is that fucking guy. It seems like this guy is a weapons

thief. He's a bad dude. I actually went to the Getty Museum and let me tell you something. It's a great museum. No aliens. No aliens. You should great music. You should know this. It would have been better with aliens. I know this from going to Terry's

YouTube page. She's also been to the Getty Museum which she live streamed when she was on a tour with Steve Kelly. Okay. So did they go down? No. What do you mean? They couldn't find the elevator? They wandered around the fucking

outside and he's like, now you see this wall here. The slope of this wall so they have a good shooting position from up top. He was a tour guide for a tour that doesn't exist. Yeah. It's an unauthorized tour

that he gives of the Getty and he wanders around outside and man, the outfit that he is wearing is ridiculous. What does he look like? So he's got long hair. He's an older gentleman with dark and sun glasses. Of course. He has a button up shirt.

Not a whole. No undershirt? You bet. God damn it. Wearing undershirt. Also unbuttoned. No. Not all the way. But too far. I would say three buttons. No. Look, I get it's nice.

The weather's nice in California, dude, but come on. All the way up. It's real like this is how you decided to dress up to give a tour to the Alien Space Base Getty Museum. I think I might get the appearance that you don't care.

No. There's a lack of professionalism here, certainly. I do like the idea. You maybe don't care that people take you seriously because you know you're full of shit. That's the vibe I'm getting. I like the idea of giving a bunch of fake tours at different monuments.

I want to go to the Tower of London and be like, aha, see now if you went down to the elevator here, you would find the first ring of Nazis. Yeah. So she has a bunch of bullshit going on on her website. If there was any discernment being

exercised by any parties, none of them would talk to each other. No. None of them would be doing what they're doing, period. Well, so here's the last clip. This is how the interview ends. And again, it just reinforces that Kevin is a fucking asshole. Is there anything else

you would like to add to the interview that you just, you know, as a button or something that you want to make sure that those who are listening to my channel or listening to American Computer Radio Yeah, Kerry Cassidy, I hope this documentary that I'm putting together absolutely destroys

your channel and takes your work and yourself down. That's what I want to say. That's awful. Is he recording a shoot promo? Yeah, basically. I'm coming for you this Sunday. Listen up, Kerry!

So I just, you know, I can't walk away from that without like thinking you're just an asshole. It's a total asshole and I hate that because I want to support the debunking of these people. Playful debunking of it. Right. It seems like

he's a malignant narcissist who took that phone call really personally. Yes. Like he got beaten and he was like, I'm not going to let somebody do that to me. And so I'm going to dedicate the rest of my life to destroying Swaric airy. I would be lying if I said

that that wasn't a thought that definitely went through my head while I was listening to this. That's personal. He's coming from a place of anger making this documentary. He even said that. He said when I talk about David Wilcock or whatever, when I do those documentaries it won't come from a place of anger.

When she gives him a chance for the last word I hope that I destroy you. Fuck you, man. It is also hard not to... Now, the sample size is small but it's hard not to notice that of the people he's doing documentaries about the one he's filled with anger towards

is a woman. But I think he might also have that anger towards Simon Parks. But I don't know. It's hard to tell from the context of what he was saying about his future documentaries. No, I agree. And if I had more anecdotal evidence or more actual evidence

to say that he had anger towards women, believe me, I would bring it up. I think that Kerry probably shamed him a little bit and rightfully so. He was being a dick in that phone call. And yeah, maybe he's responding

in a chauvinistic way. His anger comes from a place of his masculinity being attacked. It's possible. I don't know. I don't have enough evidence but it certainly would fit a pattern. It's really strange to me that it's strange to me that he played that phone call.

Like it was his choice to play that phone call because he does not come off looking good. He doesn't. So I was, I listened to all this and I came away feeling a bit empty and a little bit confused because on the one hand I'm defending Kerry

yet it's qualified defense. Yes. It's not a sense of like Yeah, she's right. Fuck this guy. Right. I think fuck this guy but not because I'm defending her. I'm just being fair that he's being rude and also being fair that

Kerry, her behaviors can go too far and when they do you end up defending a holocaust denier. Yeah. And so it's not cut and dry. It's not black and white. And I realized that what was going on was that I was having a crisis of discernment.

I was having a real problem with the very thing that this episode seems to be all about. Now, Jordan, what if I told you that I found the perfect place to learn about discernment? Uh, Microsoft and Carter? No. Oh, okay.

What if I were to tell you that Kevin Moore has channeled aliens about the very issue of discernment? Really? Really? We're doing this. Yeah. Oh yeah. That can't happen. That can't happen. It's not real, Dan. Is there a sinkhole

in time around him? Here is a video that Kevin Moore put out a couple years back where he channels the alien group The One, which he, that's the people that he talks to. Were they a K-pop band or? Might as well have been. Okay. So here's where he channels them

and gets some information about what is discernment. It is a good question. We would say that to have true discernment, one has to be in complete control

of their truth to begin with. One has to know that in order to take back your power and know your truth, you must firstly learn

to listen to your very soul. So, stop it. I got a pause here really quick as we get through this. Try and pinpoint, you're taking notes. Try and pinpoint any concrete thing that he actually says.

Did he listen to your soul? Did he open by reading the dictionary definition of discernment? No. The one's not really interested in websters. What he did, he opened with closing his eyes and making a scrunchy face. To that

which your eyes look out of. To that which is inside of your body. To that which you came here with and you shall leave with the only thing

that will always be a constant your soul. At that point, he smirks. He smiles as if like, I pulled that one. Yeah, that's such a like, ooh, how great was that. I landed that. That line went well. That was almost

the improv line where he was like, I surprised myself with how bullshitty, fucking profound that sound. That was exactly the vibe I got from the visual of it. So far, we've got that discernment is something that comes from within you and you have to listen to your soul.

Great. I feel like he would be Stefan Malenu if enough people paid attention to him. Perhaps, yeah. I think he, I think honestly I hate to say this because Stefan Malenu is fucking stupid. Stefan Malenu is way smarter than Kevin Moore. Kevin Moore is so fucking stupid.

Yeah. And to learn what it is and what it says and how it sets it. Your soul, that is. Why? It's intent towards any current situation that you may be going through. It is your

one true alarm. Your one truth to yourself. Your one all-knowing, all-loving part of you, to you, for you, for others as well. To find this, you must go deep

within and say, does this situation feel right? Or No! Does it really upset me? No! You see, sometimes, it gets

a bit silly you could say on the way that it does. Is he fucking with us? He's such a idiot. You get so lost in the situation of, oh, does this feel right? No, no, I'm not

feeling right. This is not right. I shouldn't be doing this. And you get logic mixed in with emotion mixed in with logic logic, logic, motion and it's never coming from that pure place of your soul.

So at this point, I want to point out that it's strange that these aliens that he's channeling have the exact same verbal ticks as them. I was just about to fucking say that! You asshole! I was going to be so smart and now you made me feel like an idiot. I channeled you when I said that.

God damn it! It's so weird that you can listen to him in an interview and a private phone call and he has the same... You would think that if the alien is speaking through him they would... He doesn't have to change his voice. I think that they would probably still change word choices.

Vocals. Stammering. Because stammering is just looking for words. It's just how the mind... It's not always looking for words. It can just be a vocal tick. Sure. But largely it's a way that you cover your brain trying to come up with the word

you're looking for. Right. I do it all the time. If aliens were guiding the words coming out of your mouth unless they, I don't know, use your brain to come up with words which I guess would just mean they're you. Uh... Don't understand.

Anyway, he's not done. Yes, of course. These are all alarm bells in the sense that that go off to help you recognize what's true and what's not for yourself. But what we are talking about here

is the most important part of it all. Yeah, come on. Come on. You should have started over after that one. Now these situations remember as long as they are knowingly hurting somebody else.

Yes? Then there's nothing wrong. What? If you're knowingly hurting someone it would be wise to stop straight away because you have no right to do that. I think you do.

You're just rambling now, buddy. But how would you like that? We still talking about discernment? You would not. So how joyous is a situation is one way to find that place? No, it is not.

Does it spark joy? That is not how discernment works. Discernment does not factor in your joy. Apparently it does. Another is through being very still

and being as much as you can be that the feeling of this feels right is for your highest best. Now to be able to get

to those situations or places, shall we say? Shall we say? The one aliens often the one thing aliens often remark

is shall we say this? An alien say situations instead of situations? Or an alien places? Shall we say? That would be like me trying to pretend that I'm channeling an alien and say

this is reasonable. I just say almost compulsively as a tick. You can edit. You can do takes, man. You don't have to do it all. God damn it. How do you watch yourself doing this

and go? This is fucking gold. Stop it! Don't! Don't trust your gut! No! You're so fucking stupid. Aliens are really... Aliens are really into portfolio.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they have to be. They lost a lot of money when Bitcoin took that crash immediately after. So now they're hyper aware. Yeah, they follow John McAfee's Twitter and they got burned. But like,

what he's talking about there is really elementary basic self-help type stuff. The idea of like, if you have a difficult time making decisions one strategy that is very powerful is being mindful of smaller decisions and taking...

building the confidence from those smaller victories and smaller decisions where you did make a choice whether it goes badly or well knowing that you made a choice and everything was okay. You know, building up your confidence from that.

This is 101 self-help type stuff that he's just repurposing and regurgitating under the guise of speaking for a fucking group of aliens. Yeah, this is bad. Now as I was listening to this one of the things I thought was very interesting

isn't anything that he's saying because it absolutely is not. It's self-help 101 stuff. If somebody gets some positive out of that then great. It's bad that you're attaching it to aliens. But it's fine if someone takes that and gains power

over their ability to control their own life. Great. Yeah. Good for you. I don't also think it's that interesting that he's pretending aliens talk to him because we've already kind of talked about that and on its face it's absurd especially considering all of the

smaller parts of it where it's very clear that it's him trying to come up with words and he's thrilled with himself that he came up with a word. Fucking write it down before you do it. God damn it, I hate this. I think that that's what I'm trying to get to

that I find really interesting and I realized as I was watching this. He can't really come up with it ahead of time because I think that what's actually going on is almost a genre of performance. If you want to take it from

an anthropological sociological level what he's doing is expressing a modern version of performance it's kind of an oral tradition. The way he's using these terms and talking about that which comes from within

those aren't words that he gives a shit about those are signals of an oral tradition that comes down from people trying to rip off Eastern traditions people who have channeled aliens in the past

it all funnels down in this oral tradition and he's just trying to become a part of it he's trying to express that oral tradition so if he's thinking he's channeling aliens which I don't think he is I think that that is a willing

misconception. But what he's actually doing is tapping into an oral tradition that these people have established in the past I don't know 100 years all the way back to Edgar Cayce all of the people who channel bullshit

he's taking the terms ideas from that that's built up in his subconscious so when he's sitting there and he's looking for words or feeling like something is coming through him he's willingly misleading his audience

into thinking it's an alien group in reality what it is is a corpus of work that's existed from those people. The spiritualist revival of the early 1900s and I think that's interesting I think that that angle on it

is actually more interesting to me than just calling him an outright charlatan because then you can kind of get into how this exists and this continuum of information and when you look at it as a type of performance

it kind of I don't know I mean it's still misleading and dishonest and he's using it to try and make money off people in psychic hotlines but it becomes much more interesting to me I think

what I find interesting about the channeling videos based on all of his other scams the wind chimes is that these seem less like channeling and more like daily affirmations like these seem like he's more talking

to himself in almost a you know a diary fashion of like writing down here's what I'm going to do I'm going to make small decisions and I'm going to be mindful of that and he's just packaging it in this way because hey if you're going to write a diary

you might as well try and monetize it right well to be fair some of the videos that he has that's how Kilvair got going well some of them have to do with like Atlantis and Roswell Crash and stuff like that but we didn't listen to those because the word of the day

is fucking discernment so we get to the end of this and I would say that my discernment tells me that Kevin Daniel Moore is first of all a piece of shit he's a charlatan and he's running a scam this is an elaborate scam

and Kerry is the victim of it and sure Kerry sucks too you know no winners but she's our Kerry okay you yelled at me for saying that last time I know so anyway this has been our wacky Wednesday adventure

of Kevin Moore doing some stuff I don't know I'm interested how this has metastasized and spread the just looking at Mark Richards interviews on Project Camelot

has now spun out of control where we were listening to Kerry interviewed by Kevin Moore and now we are listening to Kevin Moore being interviewed by someone else while playing a phone conversation with Kerry

everything is gone crazy next wacky Wednesday we're just going to listen to Terry Joyce interview somebody I wonder what she's up to probably hanging out with Steve Kelly talking about how they need to storm the Getty that would be fun though no it wouldn't a lot of people would die

well once you triggered the defenses then we're real I'm saying Kelly would bring a bomb and that's what I believe no way he wants to get in you don't blow up the outside you have to blow up the outside to get inside no that's not how it works

I think that human life would be lost and it wouldn't be because there's Nazis under there I'm going to go with traditional Death Star rules you got to get the bomb into the center in order to get rid of the whole thing if you just blow up the outside that's cosmetic damage you can always rebuild the Getty Museum

you're still talking about a bomb I don't like it fair enough so anyway we'll be back on Friday with a new episode but until then we have a website we do have a website it's Knowledgefight.com you're right and if you want to find more information

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around this here internet for now as we come to the end of this I don't think Kevin Moore has killed anybody and that's good for him yeah but he channels a bunch of ghosts who have no he doesn't he's making that up oh okay

that's all bullshit he's killed my ability nah he hasn't I didn't have any ability to believe that stuff before him he's killed the definition of discernment yes he's murdered that he has beat that into the ground

but what he hasn't done is kill anybody and one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones Andy and Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you