Knowledge Fight - #304: May 30-31, 2019

Episode Date: June 3, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at what Alex Jones is up to in the current day, and find him being absolutely all over the place. His lawyer is a guest on two straight episodes and the two of them seem to think they have psychic powers. More importantly than all that, this episode contains the greatest out of context drop of all time.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're double dudes. Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan. Dan! Jordan. What is your favorite way to eat potatoes? Oh, God, I'm so glad you asked. Do you prefer fries? Do you prefer chips, mashed, baked? That's way too big a question, quite frankly. There's a lot of potato presentations.

I would say that I'm partial to mashed potatoes, but that's just because it's kind of a cumbersome process to make them. And so when they show up, it's usually special. Yeah. So that's one thing I would say. But I probably wouldn't put them at the top. I would say tots are up there. Tots? God, I always forget about tots because they're garbage.

Oh, shit. Tots are garbage. We're going to fight. If you have to choose the best fry, tots probably doesn't count. So I'd say waffle. Waffle fry is probably the best. Top fry of all time, yeah.

Shoe string potato, very underrated candidate when in this conversation. Uh-huh. I think I'm going to stick with baked, or no, not baked, mashed. Mashed potatoes? Baked is, it's in there, it's in the conversation. A lot of good ways to eat a potato. How about chips?

Chips are fine. Chips are fine. Chips are almost like a placeholder. Yeah, they're just there. They're just there. Yeah. A little good kettle cook. Yeah.

They have a crunch. This has been the most riveting conversation. I am a little hungry. Thankfully, our out of context drop, which you'll hear in a little bit, has something to do with food. Of course. Uh, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones

and potatoes. And I only know what you tell me and I'm goddamn Irish, so I know everything about the potatoes. Uh, so Jordan, today we are in the present. We will be going over May 30th and 31st, 2019, which is Thursday and Friday of the week. That was, uh, before we get to today's episode, we got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up

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interested in finding out Alex's very predictable spin on the Mueller press conference. I assume it's AOC's fault. Dude, she does come up. That can't be real. Not in the context of the Mueller stuff, but he has a real serious bone to pick about something. She said, of course, we'll discuss that as it comes up.

Do you mean anything? She said he has a man seems like I got to, you know, spend a lot of time covering live streams of her in the right wing media. Um, but, uh, we'll get to Alex's take on the Mueller stuff. It's actually fairly predictable as we expected and a very small part of what makes these two days of Alex's show super fucked up. They reach levels of astonishment that I haven't had in quite a while. Really?

Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. There's something that happens towards the end of this episode that really, really took me aback. Oh, are we, are we like out of left field Somali pirate territory or we out of the fucking pitcher's mound with racism? More the latter than the price.

That's what I thought. Yeah. There are a few things that catch me as off guard as saying you got to give it up for the Somali pirates. Right. And that's a real rarefied class of Alex Jones comment. Yeah. Cause there's so many, uh, if, if we were talking about a normal person,

that would be, you know, no. But here's our context drop before we get into any of the, uh, you know, the stuff I was back in the coffee room for somebody bought donuts. And I just inhaled two of them. Stop it. You know, I appreciate it. I love that so much. I don't know how to deal with that.

I love it. I don't know how to deal with that. I love it so much. That's so, that's so disarming. Yeah. I'm disarmed by that. It might be one of my favorite little moments ever. Yeah.

Stop it. Yeah. But I appreciate it. But I appreciate it. It's so, the, I appreciate it is so softly delivered. God damn it. Um, so in this first clip, we start on the 30th and Alex has some information to give you and it's the, his explanation of why the globalists want to get him

off the air, right? Which is something he's explained to us. I don't know a billion fucking times. Uh, yeah, it has something to do with migratory patterns of deer, right? Something, something to do with that. Okay. This is a little bit different and he gives some specifics that I can actually explain, um, uh, why, if it was true that this is the reason the globalist

want to get him off the air, maybe that's a good thing. I'm going to lay something out here that I've talked a lot about and it's the reason the establishment wants me off the air. And it's the reason that when John Kelly came into the White House, his number one rule was do not let this list of people near the president. And that list included a long string of retired, respected generals and other, uh, members of the military stubble by him and it also had yours truly at the top of the list because their people were obviously listening

in on my phone calls with the president. When I said, sir, you got to go after him for the illegal FISA warrants. This is when he called to thank me two days after he got elected. I told him this when he called me a month later when he called me a week after that, when he called me the time after that, I said, Mr. president, stop thanking me. So I know this is just a pat on the head, sir. I know you're calling people that supported you and I appreciate it.

I don't need the praise. They're coming after you. You've got people that have infiltrated all around you sort of telling him who they are. I said, these are Soros operatives and I listed some of the names and I said, you've got people lying to you that are bringing these folks in and they're going to try to bring you down. He'd say very interesting.

Tell me more and I'd say, well, here's this particular lady that they brought in over your staffing. You think she comes from the Republicans, but she really has worked at the State Department for the whole Soros project. So basically she's a Hillary operative and she's going to stack the back against you and they're running espionage operations against you under the name of counter espionage. Now, how did I know all of this?

I can explain that, but what I'm saying is if they wanted to get him off the air or whatever because he was telling the president stuff like this, he's misleading the president. Yeah, and that would be fine. If the president wasn't a sundowning moron, you know what I'm saying? That might be an issue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when Alex says, how do you think I knew that?

I realized, well, let's see if we can figure out, first of all, what the fuck he's talking about because, you know, you got to figure out who is he talking about? He said he gives enough context clues. Somebody who is in the State Department. Right. So we know that he warned Trump about a woman who was brought into Trump's staffing.

It's involved in staffing somehow. So that reduces the suspects by 98%. Yeah, Trump believes it would be on the team, but he's actually a Soros operative. So what does it mean to be quote over the staffing? If it means being chief of staff, then this conspiracy Alex is warning Trump about is impossible because guess what? Since that position was created in 1946 under its original name,

assistant to the president, no woman has ever filled that role. So obviously this can't be a chief of staff that Alex is talking about, which is weird because that's who does a lot of the staffing in the the Oval Office. Why wonder why? Mick Mulvaney is currently the acting chief of staff, but that's a fairly recent thing. So for our examination, I'm only going to consider people who were

around under the reins of Reince Priebus and John Kelly in order to pin down who Alex is talking about Obama had no female chiefs of staff. However, there were five women who served as deputy chiefs of staff. So maybe this is who he's talking about an Obama Hillary holdover. But unfortunately, none of them stuck around at all into Trump's administration. I wonder why the two who are still around.

In 2017, both left on inauguration day. I wonder why. So Katie Walsh was a deputy chief of staff working on scheduling for the Trump administration. She was on board from the jump as she was a part of the transition team. But she left the administration early in March 2017 to join the pro Trump dark money super PAC America first policies, which was founded

by Brad Pascale. Trump's head of digital operations in the 2016 election. A lot of Trump administration folk found their way to America first policies and so did some Nazis. Oh, I don't understand. Why are those two separate words in your wife? Why are those two separate statements? I believe they are redundant in some ways.

Their director of advocacy Carl Higbee had to resign in early 2018 after CNN found a bunch of old radio shows he did where he was super racist, super Islamophobic, super anti LGBTQ and literally advocated for being able to shoot and kill anyone who came across the border undocumented. Oh, whoa, whoa, guys. Why are you getting rid of me? I don't want the last one anymore.

This is called America first policies. What have I done wrong? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This seems in line. Everything that guy is saying there were all there were a few other racism scandals, but the worst was probably the one that surrounded America first policies. The guy who was their policy advisor Juan Pablo Andrade Andrade

had previously been on Trump's National Hispanic Advisory Council as well as the National Diversity Coalition before heading to the Super PAC America first policies. Newsmax had put him on their 30 under 30 list in 2017, signaling that he was a real rising star in the dumb dumb right wing world. Unfortunately, that year his star exploded when he recorded himself ranting in a hotel room at a turning point USA conference. A hotel room I should point out that was paid for by turning

point. He wasn't just an attendee of the conference. He was there by invitation. Right. Anyway, in the video, he says quote. The only thing the Nazis didn't get right is that they didn't keep fucking going. I'm sure you'd like to argue that he was just joking, but if you

look more into the circumstances, he definitely wasn't. Yeah, no, I think at a certain point, you guys, we all got to just admit that a few bad apples amounts to and actually they're creating Nazis on purpose. That's what they want. It's their whole goal. They just mad when somebody gets caught. We all know that the whole thing is Nazis seems weird.

So anyway, Katie Walsh was the deputy chief of staff, but she left to go join that group. So she clearly isn't the person that Alex is talking about. No, I don't have a Soros operative that was on the transition team and then left for America. First policies this place. It seems to be literally dripping with bigots. Yeah, and is run by Trump's head of communications, digital

communications. Yeah, unless she's a really good Soros operative. Guess what? She is who Alex is talking about. What? Yeah, in the early days of the Trump campaign, paranoia was at a fever pitch on all sides. Folks on the left and the middle were rightfully very worried

about what was coming, but the right was really worried to just over slightly different issues. The right, particularly the more authoritarian leading part of the right wing were very worried that unless dissent was crushed within the Trump administration, he wouldn't be able to enact the white supremacist positions they supported him for. There was a real sense that the real progress towards an awful

end that they wanted could be achieved, but the biggest thing that stood in the way with the people who were inside wouldn't go along with it. Chuck Johnson, Mike Sernovich, Jack Pesovic and Jerome Corsi all led a charge to out the people who could possibly slow down the march towards their dystopia, targeting unnamed collaborators and wolves and sheeps clothing within the administration.

You remember this from Alex Jones's show back then. There was so much talk about internal palace intrigue. Every single fucking show was about it. You know, the thing that I love the most about this story is how little reminds me of Stalin's rise to power. Yeah, that's my favorite part is how very, very unsimilar it is to that exact coral. You know, the goal was three fold by engaging in this rhetoric

this trying to out people who are wolves and sheeps clothing within the inter machinations. You build up a preemptive excuse for why Trump isn't getting anything done. You maintain the climate of fear you need in your audience that should be diminished by their guy being in power. And you make an example of people in government as a sort of tacit warning of how anyone who'd be seen as deviating

from the program will be treated. The chief way that these propagandists rationalize their attacks on the government staff was to accuse them of being leakers. No one can deny that there were tons of leaks going on. So is the easiest blanket accusation to throw at anyone you wanted to target. The goal wasn't to stop leaks.

It's not to root out legitimate traders. It's to create a perpetual feeling of a witch hunt where purges of government employees who fail vague purity tests are seen as you know, the purging of them is seen as something you should support. Right. This is an actual witch hunt. If they if this were in the 1600s, they would actually be

burning these people and it's interesting that it's being carried out by the supporters of the administration. Yeah, they're sort of crowdsourcing this purge or at least the motivation of the rationalization for the purge as opposed to it being directly from the seed of power. Right, which is interesting. Well, I mean, it's it's kind of a situation. I think where all of these guys is not all of the guys in power

but for so long the people in power on the right have been stoking these horrible, horrible impulses in order to win elections, knowing full well that what they would if they were to actually implement any of this shit, it would either be illegal or people would start getting murdered. Yeah, so then the people that they've been stoking and abusing and exploiting this entire time. Finally, we're like, what if we just killed everybody who

disagreed with us or we're not going to be controlled anymore by this kind of exploitative relationship and then they you know, do this. Yeah, or if not kill, then at least root out or metaphorically send to a reeducation camp or something. Yeah, and this is what they kept doing. Like it just kept happening in those early days. These threats of purges of, you know, suspected non conformists

to the program. Yeah, you know, it kept happening. We heard this over and over again. The previous loyal to loyalists to get rooted out, which of course eventually became the ban and loyal right or the Kushner loyalists, right? It all just takes different shapes and you can morph it however you want in order to maintain that climate of fear

and paranoia of to excuse, you know, impotence of action. Yeah, that first year or two, I think there were 300 separate profiles of the adult in the room and each time a completely different person and you're like at a certain point, guys, you got to realize there are no more adults and that's kind of the way that a lot of the other media, the more, you know, older media did a disservice and sort of helped. Yeah, they're the right wing media.

It sort of is that was their version of it. Yeah. So it's also probably worth noting that this past Thursday Reuters was reporting that after the most recent summit between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump didn't go so great. Un carried out a purge of government officials who were in charge of negotiations for it. Kim Hyuk Chol, the direct counterpart to Mike Pompeo

in the negotiations was allegedly executed along with four foreign ministry officials who stood accused of spying for the United States when the North Korean state elaborated this alleged spy spying boiled down to quote poorly grasping US intentions in the negotiations. There are reports that these people weren't executed, but some have suggested they were just sent to a hard labor camp for reeducation, which I mean, I guess it's better than

killing people, but I don't think that's much better. Certainly not good being sent to Siberia and being executed can often have very similar effects and results. Yeah. Yeah. So what people like Chuck Johnson, Cernovich, Psobac and Alex Jones are doing like we kind of referenced already is basically crowdsourcing a dictatorship.

They're bringing authoritarianism into the gig economy. True democracy, Dan. Sure. Classical democracy. We all fuck ourselves over. My point is that it's very hard to when you have like stark reminders of this like what just happened in North Korea. It's really hard to look at that sort of behavior that was

going on and think that like those dudes who were doing this witch hunting behavior about officials who weren't on board with them and going around yelling lock her up at everybody. Yeah. They the fucking knew what they were doing. Oh, yeah. It's almost inconceivable that they didn't realize like, oh, what's the next phase of this, right?

Yeah. Well, that's ridiculous. That's the thing. The idea that so many people have of like, oh, these right wing douchebags won't won't go that far. And it's like, look at what happened in North Korea that they're going to go as far as they can get away with. They're going to go as far as they can feel comfortable

getting away with. I'm not saying that they're in North Korea, but it's the whatever you think their limit is is probably further. I think I think that's true of a lot of human impulses left on check. That's a fair point. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex has a real serious problem on his

hands and that is that the EU Parliament just had an election. Now this is a problem because Alex constantly says that the EU Parliament is unelected. However, because his buddies in the Brexit Party won a bunch of seats. He can't pretend they're unelected anymore. Yeah, that's a problem for him. Listen to this cognitive dissonance on display where Alex

in 10 seconds says both that they're unelected and his buddies are winning elections. That's not fair. This is so not fair. This is so deeply abusive. People didn't know the EU was unelected five years ago and everybody knows wants to get rid of it and they're losing every damn election in their ceremonial Parliament.

Yeah. So his attempt there at the end is, you know, the ceremonial Parliament that's his attempt to be like, uh-oh, I just, I just predicted myself. Yeah. So that hurt me. That hurt me very much physically. It's a whiplash.

Yeah, yeah. I need to, I am having trouble breathing. Yeah. Nigel Farage doing this shit and running for EU Parliament with the Brexit Party's really introduced that it just a baseline problem for Alex. Because for years, one of the constant arguments he's made was that it's governed by an unelected group of bureaucrats

in the Parliament. It's a constant drumbeat on his show. The unelected EU Parliament is repeated over and over again as a compound noun. Unelected has become an epithet to the EU Parliament in the same way that Gentle was to Protrocolus in the, uh, Iliad. That's all good and well, except when there's an EU Parliamentary election being held, which there was this year.

Alex says in this clip that five years ago people didn't know that the EU Parliament is unelected, which is interesting because EU Parliamentary elections happen every five years. So he's specifically saying that the last time they had an EU Parliamentary election, people didn't know there weren't elections for EU Parliament. See how this is pretty inconsistent internally really,

really frustrating me. Yeah. The EU Parliament did begin as an unelected body. That is definitely true. Initially, the MEPs or members of European Parliament were appointed by each country's elected Parliament. So their national Parliament would elect or choose the people who would go to be the MEPs and the European Union.

Right. Right. So in a sense, super delegates. Yeah. In a sense, there was still a democratic route to it, but Alex's argument is a little closer to legit in that setting. It's like saying that the Secretary of State is unelected. Sure, technically that's true, but they're appointed by a

directly elected President and have to be confirmed by directly elected members of Congress. In terms of the EU Parliament, however, Alex's claims really don't make sense anymore because in 1979 they started holding elections for their own membership every five years. With only a few rules in place about proportional representation that are universally required, member states are free to run their elections to name their parliamentary representatives

however they choose, which is a great celebration of national sovereignty, which Alex doesn't want to talk about. This is very annoying. It is. This is all very annoying. This information annoys me. I am vexed. I am vexed by the fact that he is holding both of these conflicting

points of view at the same time. Well, it's like him saying that the fucking three people voted for the Federal Reserve. Yeah, but that one's true. Oh, sure. All Alex can really be talking about is the position of the President of the European Commission, which you could argue is an unelected position.

The various political parties field their candidates to hold the position and a vote of the Parliament determines who will be the President of the Commission, but that post isn't the same as like being the President of Europe. The position is described as being, quote, the first among equals in the European Commission. Members of the Commission are selected by elected governments of member states, then work together to advance their

country's interests in the context of a collaborative body that balances the larger needs of the continent with those of each state. These examples of unelected folks within the hierarchy the EU government are easy to point to as examples of undemocratic government run a muck. But if you look at them closely, you find that each of these appointed positions are filled directly by people who are

elected by the people and they could be ousted from their positions by electing different people. If Alex wants to be philosophically consistent, attacking these positions for being indirectly elected requires him to have a problem with every appointed position in our government. Every Cabinet Secretary should have to be directly elected. What about Kushner?

What the fuck is he doing? Does he even have a job? Every for almost every foreign country that has a Prime Minister becomes a problem for him. Yeah, the list goes on and on and on of officials who are just unelected or indirectly elected. In a purely technical sense, you could say that the European Commission is unelected, but that's not what Alex says.

He says that the EU Parliament is unelected, which categorically is not true for years. He's been able to just be free to lie about the EU Parliament because he knows that none of his listeners are going to look into it. But then like three months ago, Nigel Farage started the Brexit Party and it became clear that the story of this year's EU election was going to be favorable to Alex's Nationalists

are taking over the world narrative immediately. He had a huge problem. How do you maintain your bullshit about the EU Parliament being unelected while simultaneously bragging about your Euro skeptic and fascist friends winning EU Parliamentary elections? Well, the first thing you do is you put your finger up to your head and you say, well, oh, what tangled webs we weave

when first we practice to deceive and then you think more. Right. Yeah, first you have to buy law. You have to think that in this particular scenario. You have to put on a little set piece in the studio. You got to do the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, I think you just tell your audience that two plus two

is five and hope it works out. Yeah, that's what he's doing. This is absurd. Pretty much. Yeah. That's disgusting. Well, I mean, it's one in one in a long line. I think of Alex being screwed over by getting what he wants.

Yeah, you know, like he wants all his like weirdo friends to win EU Parliament position so they could destroy the EU, I guess. But in order for that to happen, the step has to be taken that they be elected to this Parliament. Yeah. And one of his chief complaints about it is that it's unelected. So them succeeding in the goal he's working towards undercuts

and destroys one of his big reasons for wanting it gone. Yeah, but on this isn't that what Brexit is to the National Health Service like so many people who voted to for that was, you know, with Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage whole like we're spending all this money when it could be going to the NHS and they voted specifically for that type of circumstance to go down. And of course, if Brexit actually follows through with

the way that it's supposed to go, especially if it's a no deal, the National Health Service is going to be privatized by American insurers anyways. So they're all doing something that is actively undercutting whatever it is that they would like the result to be. It seems like a real strong current among these quote unquote international nationalists. Right, right, right.

It seems like. Do they not know the only people who are benefiting are billionaires? Do they not know it? Do they still not know? I think that might be the, yeah, I think that they that's what you don't want to say. That's the part they don't want to talk about.

Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, so in this next clip, Alex has a list of complaints about his enemies and he's he's got a head of steam about the people that he perceives as being against America. And one of the things that I find really interesting about this is he's furious on this episode. He's just like these damn enemies and then he gives this list about his enemies and why they are his enemies.

They want health care for the poor. No, no, no, no. I don't think he wants that debate. I don't think he wants that conversation. Surprise. What he does want is to list off things that aren't true. So I'm going to explain each of these and why they're not true, but what's interesting to me is like when he's in a

tizzy and he's expressing why he doesn't like the other side that he perceives as his enemies. Every single thing he says is not true. These people are so pissed. That we're trying to get our country back from them. They're the globalists. They're the ones that say they hate America. They're the ones that say they can't stand this country.

They're the ones that say we were never great one would be great. They're the ones saying the world's ending in 12 years. They're the ones that say cauliflower is is is racist. Holy Toledo. They project it onto everything. So that clip is a fantastic case study in terms of why it's almost inconceivable to imagine that Alex Jones doesn't know

what he's doing. And I'm pretty certain he's and knows that he's intentionally misleading his audience. It's important to remember for the purposes of what's to come that he is a 45 year old human who claims that he's very smart and can read. He presents himself as a competent critic of the media and politics.

So the expectation is that he be able to do that on a nominal level. However, literally everything in that clip all of the reasons that his enemies are his enemies are examples of things that aren't real. Let's look at them one by one. The rant begins with stuff that's too vague to mean anything. Alex thinks his enemies are just pissed because his patriot

buddies are reclaiming the country from them and that they hate America. So literally nothing to even respond to that's just him talking shit. Yeah. So we can leave that aside. That's almost a prologue. That's almost a perfunctory like he's getting amped up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's he's that's his little warm up. He's doing a couple of jumping jacks and now we're going to get into the bullshit. It's the word you have to get into an impression. Yeah. Does anybody like impression? Then he says his enemies say quote America has never been

great and it never will be great. This is an intentional mischaracterization of comments made by New York Governor Andrew Cuomo during the lead up to the 2018 midterms. Cuomo is being critical of Trump's catchphrase make America great again by expressing a very defensible position that for many people the American experience has never been that great.

The part of the quote that Alex is specifically using is just quote we're not going to make America great again. It was never that great. But the quote that quote relies on what Cuomo said immediately after that in order to give his point context to have it make sense. He went on to say quote we have not reached greatness. We will reach greatness when every American is fully engaged

will reach greatness when discrimination and stereotyping of women 51% of our population is gone and every woman's full potential is realized and unleashed and every woman is making her full contribution. Naturally it would have been nice if he would have expanded his point to include other groups but he was giving a speech specifically at a New York women's rights event. So it kind of makes sense why the commentary is skewed in

that direction. Yeah. What Cuomo is saying is not in any way an insult to America. It's a recognition that our ideals are great but we've historically and are currently failing to live up to them. What he was doing when he said quote we are not going to make America great again was not saying fuck America. It was expressing a clear difference between Trump's

catchphrase and Cuomo's vision of what our greatness should be and what we should strive for. This is a willing interpretation misinterpretation that Alex is carrying out to create a false version of his enemies and paint them as thinking America has always sucked and so he's going to suck fuck America back. Yeah but that one's that one's the that one is the far rights reaction to any kind of accurate history like if you are

blunt with the far right about American history they will do anything and everything to screech at you because because they can't handle it. You know then they make some feel bad like Alex one of the principal reasons he's so afraid of being called a racist is because he just doesn't want to feel bad. Dan does come down a lot and yeah. Alex does the same thing with like anybody who's like the

founding fathers were terrorists. Yeah. Well I mean if you look at where they were based on your committed like an insurrection of course. You know who you root for in Star Wars the rebels the terrorists. So yeah he doesn't like history too much. So now the world ending in 12 years thing is a reference to an interview that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did where she

said that we have 12 years to cut emissions by 50 percent. Alex is turning this into some kind of doomsday prophecy that she was peddling which is kind of hilarious considering what he did on Y2K. The thing is that the right wing is attacked AOC pretty harshly for this but all she is everything yeah but all she was doing was citing a report from the UN intergovernmental panel on climate change that said exactly that they predicted

that there was probably 12 years left to keep global temperatures from rising to a maximum of 1.5 degrees Celsius. Yeah I was I'm amazed you know like I assumed that everybody would know that she was quoting something but now that I think about it of course people on the right had no idea what that report said or they just wasn't or they don't believe it. Yeah it's all about carbon credits. Yeah they don't understand it even the slightest. In that interview she did say quote

the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change. However an important point is that she what she said just before that. The larger context of that quote is that she's saying that the younger generations millennials and Gen Z are looking at the older generations and saying that we have mere years left to address climate change before it destroys the world and the older generations responses how are we going to pay for it. She said said that

the world ending part of the quote was dry humor and there's a little bit of that that's clearly apparent but I also think that you could just say that she was clearly expressing what a lot of people are saying. She isn't in that interview making a specific prophecy that we have 12 years left then it's all over. She's referencing a scientific study and articulating the fears and concerns of a big cross-section of the public. Yeah. No one is saying that the world will end

in 12 years if we don't do anything. They're saying that it's likely that's the amount of time we have before things will be completely out of our hands and no amount of emissions cutting will stop the domino effects of climate change. Alex is misrepresenting this intentionally to create the image that his enemies are lunatics trying to steer you with doomsday prophecies in order to get you to pay carbon credits. Yeah sure. I really think that it like there should

be a a bias adjustment for for these kinds of studies. You know like how wouldn't they do polls. Rasmussen has a right word bias all that stuff. All of these studies have a optimistic bias. Yeah. That we should really account for because every time they update it and everyone that's revised it's like hey if we don't do this by twenty two hundred and it's like well if we don't do it but it's going to wind up being the next report is like we have six years left. We have

a week. Yeah exactly. You would you look at that as like an optimism bias. Alex would say that that's evidence they're just making shit up and try it right. They're not scared yet. We're going to make it shorter. Right. So I can see that. Yeah. So as for the cauliflower thing this is just a complete right-wing smear. This relates to a recent live stream that AOC was doing where she visited a community garden and discussed issues about what keeps some minority communities

from embracing environmental efforts like community gardening. One of the things she pointed out was the difficulty of grown crops that are traditionally used in their cuisine in community garden spaces. She singles out as being a plant that is more difficult to grow in urban environments as opposed to cauliflower which she just picked out as an example of a random. Yeah. She wasn't even saying anything specifically about cauliflower. In fact

she says quote cauliflower or something. It was a random example. Of course she did happen to pick the white example and so they go at an absolute bug fuck right. Well I think so and she said that it was a you know it's an example of colonial environmentalism. Yeah. Didn't say that cauliflower is racist or anything like that. And I mean you could you could make an argument that cauliflower has been used colonially. The English introduced it to India in

1822. It wasn't native there. Who cares. Yeah. AOC chose cauliflower as an example of a crop that these communities may be less involved with culturally but it's what could be grown easily in urban settings. So it's popular in the big city community gardens where space is limited. I'm not entirely sure that's fully accurate of cauliflower. Yeah. But that is absolutely what she was saying. Right. Chose cauliflower as an example. Right. Entirely possibly just

because she had seen it at a community garden that she had visited. That is that is such a that is such one of those blind spots that I would never have thought of because it never even comes into my life entirely. Totally. Of course why would somebody want to plant fucking bullshit in the community garden when they it's not anywhere associated with their their home cooking. Like why would you just plant some random ass bullshit. And if it's super difficult then the

space is limited. Yeah. And it leads to non-engagement non-involvement. Yeah. Absolutely. So this according to AOC is an example of quote taking a colonial approach to environmentalism. Well of course the knee jerk response to this on the right is to say that she's stupid and that she's calling cauliflower racist. But in reality what she's talking about is a pretty important real issue as a paper published in 2009 by the Sustainability Research Institute points

out quote around the world colonialism became synonymous with the alienation of people from their land and resources colonized people became alienated alienated from their resources largely because the colonizing powers did not think they could be trusted to steward over the land themselves. This is basically what she's talking about environmental project should make sense in a cultural context because if they don't it's an expression of colonialism being portrayed

as environmentalism. Yeah. You could disagree with her point if you want but if you do then you've got to wrestle with a ton of scholarship on the intersection of conservationism and colonialism and that's pretty hard to do and Alex isn't up for the task. Especially when we're getting very similar like here is what we should do to stop all of this and and that can sometimes boil down to like if everybody lived like this if everybody lived like us which for some people is

culturally absolutely colonialist if everybody just wiped out what makes them individual and unique then. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. You know. So yeah and Alex could argue this if he wanted to rebut the points of environmental colonialism but it's much easier just to say that AOC thinks cauliflower is racist. It is because the goal isn't to tell the news or to do sincere analysis. The goal is to portray your enemy as so eager to call things racist that even vegetables aren't

safe. And of course the goal of that for Alex is to defend himself from very accurate accusations that he's a huge racist. So there you go. Three things that Alex has used to characterize his enemies and why he fights so hard and guess what they're all bullshit. He has his own show. He runs everything here. He has unlimited time on air and this is what he brings to the table to explain our enemies just bullshit. He's got nothing. Okay. So boy. So these aren't true.

They're not. All right. And so if they're not true and he knows they're not true then they can't be the reasons that he hates his enemies. So it does imply there's got to be another reason that suggests that there are ulterior reasons perhaps ones that he would rather not put out there and instead obfuscate using these lies and bullshit. Wonder what those are. Anyway, in this next clip, Alex is really pissed off still about cauliflower being called racist and it makes a little

slip I think. But I just got to say AOC and the cauliflower comment. My favorite. Some listeners say why are you covering we know she's an idiot. Why'd the left come out and say milk was racist because it was white last year white. They territorialize everything by saying everything's racist and then they're the high priest over fighting racism that gives them jurisdiction over you. Oh, I get it. The left didn't say that milk was racist. That was an attempt by people on

like 4chan and trolls on the internet to create the appearance that the left thought milk was racist so they could mock their hypersensitivity. It appears that they managed to trick the right person in this case. Yeah, it began with legitimate Nazis making videos or they made a big deal out of drinking milk. Then Richard Spencer and baked Alaska added milk emojis to their Twitter names and help push the hashtag milk Twitter. They were doing the same thing that they've done a bunch of

times. We saw it recently with a botched attempt to pretend that the actual hashtag the symbol the hashtag was a white supremacist symbol. Troll sent journalists tips trying to get them to cover the story but none took the bait except for Mikhail Thelan of the Daily Dot. Interestingly, Mikhail Thelan was a writer for Info Wars for years but is now rebranded as a tech writer at Daily Dot and somehow is getting away with it. You can't do that. What? It's crazy. He's just

obscure enough of a Info Wars employee that you could still do this. Kind of not obscure enough that I don't fucking know who he is. So that's a problem and that's why someone like me is important to exist in the world. I guess sending out emails. I think he's probably not too worried about me. So this is a part of a larger strategy where neo-nazis and white nationalists attempt to create innocuous symbols that they then attach to their communities in ways that could

be easily passed off as a joke if they're ever called on it. We saw this with the OK hand gesture. It was simultaneously a legitimate symbol being used by these extremist communities to signal to each other and as a way that they could mock their detractors. Are you serious? It's just an OK sign. They could respond to any criticism. And then the game ultimately it doesn't matter if the OK sign is a gesture of hate because by its usage it became one. There's a there's

a synergy going on. And the same is true of the accusation that the left thinks milk is racist. It was a manufactured campaign to make the left and accusations of racism look baseless because the creating appearance that racism accusations are baseless really just helps out people who are constantly being accused of being racist. Yeah. So that's the motivation behind it. If they like it not to say not to say que bono but for fuck's sakes seriously there's only one

group of people who benefit from this. Yeah. Yeah. There's zero groups but one anyone still peddling this narrative in 2019 is either woefully stupid and incompetent at knowing the news or they're actively trying to signal to their base of Neo Nazis and white nationalists that they're in on the joke. Either way it doesn't look good that Alex is still on this bullshit. And unfortunately those white supremacists who are were actually on to something with their stunt campaign

as our our boy Jared Holt covered in a piece that he wrote for the Huffington Post. The attempts to make milk a racist meme were supposed to be a prank but there's actually a racist history attached to milk. I'm sure that we stumbled on to fine. His article discusses a book called Nature's Perfect Food How Milk Became America's Drink which does seem to argue that at very least the early advertising campaigns for the National Dairy Council were explicitly racist. In the early

1900s the National Dairy Council marketed milk by saying things like quote people who have an appreciation for art literature and music who are progressive in science and every activity of human intellect are the people who have used liberal amounts of milk in its products. The book goes on to say quote by declaring milk perfect white northern Europeans announced their own perfection. In the 1930s an agricultural history of New York said quote

a casual look at the races of people seems to show that those using much milk are the strongest physically and mentally and the most enduring of the people of the world. Of all races the Aryans seem to have been the heaviest drinkers of milk and the greatest users of butter and cheese a fact that may in part account for the quick and high development of this division of human beings. So Louie Pasteur is the patron saint of the white nationalist

movement. I believe were it not for he is on the rush more. Yeah the reason this could be called racist is because the marketing was specifically designed around the idea that there was an association between drinking milk and being better people. A paper by Andrea Freeman of the University of Hawaii School of Law points out that quote although statistics vary 79% of African American adults 40 45% of African American children 74% of Mexicans from rural communities 98% of

Southeast Asians and 90% of Asian Americans cannot digest lactose a large number of non-white communities are lactose intolerance so when you market something is being associated with being naturally better people and it's something that only white people can consistently drink what you're doing is kind of racist that it's in there that is the that is a that's a couple of steps more than you're used to seeing with your racism you know like you got to know that non-white

communities are lactose intolerant you got to have a wide breadth of information in order to really see milk for how racist it is and now that I do God damn it milk still not racist and like liking milk isn't racist but that doesn't mean you can't look at the history of it yeah like wow that's fucked up yeah and if you want to go even further with it the very term lactose intolerant is even kind of messed up as a way to describe people who can't digest lactose using that framing

makes it seem like being intolerant to lactose is the exception as opposed to being the norm when in reality quote a significant percentage of into individuals from all communities with the exception of Scandinavian and northern European whites did not retain the enzyme lactase through adulthood northern Europeans and Scandinavians developed this enzyme as a response to living in climates hostile to creating sustenance sustainable food sources which compelled them to

resort to drinking their herds milk so it's something that is specific to communities right right the abundance of lactase enzyme retention right so calling it lactose intolerance is to somehow make it appear that like oh this is a deficiency you have as opposed to a change right and a very European whites had Jesus Christ so so yeah so that's almost like you guys lived in the dumbest fucking place to live and then now you're making us feel bad for it not you guys none of it's bad

and none of it's wrong but you know you take that you take those little things like the lactose intolerance framing is even somehow making it appear negative and that's this is vexing down it's vexing vexed this this is a very vexing episode very vexing yes all this is to say that this shit that is really fucking stupid there is a reality to the racist history in the milk and dairy industry but that isn't what he's responding to he's being tricked by or participating in

a fake outrage campaign organized by Nazis and white nationalists intending to make any criticism of racism looks suspicious the goal here was to provide a response the next time you are one of your racist buddies gets called a racist for being racist you can pull out the oh yeah I'm racist like milk is racist it's an attempt at building a counter narrative that 100% only exists to defend and deflect accurate criticisms of racism this is what Alex does and it's what

his show exists to do yeah so it shouldn't be all that surprising that he's on this tip so we got to we got these foods we call a flower we got milk that Alex is very mad about I just got to say he is fucking triggered by this this conversation about foods being racist or something because he starts yelling about corn and people thinking corn is racist he's like it comes from South America because that's all America and maze like all right well whatever so anyway

he's he's real mad he's real mad at corn even if corn came from Europe who cares it's easy to grow it's nutritious how the hell do you say it's racist it's a plant and I know listeners are like okay but move on no everything hinges on cauliflower and corn being racist these people are out of control is just he's real mad everything hinges on that well that the problem with that presentation and the way he's yelling is I can't tell if he's saying that mockingly or if he

really means that everything hinges on fighting back against this accusation that cauliflower is racist because either could be something I could see him saying I could see I could not just do I could not just see that I could see it being almost like a wave function through each word as he's saying it what he's intending changes as he's going through it all and I mean that it all hinges on this hinges now this is actually a joke on they do mean this this now this is

actually a joke we are we are in doing this podcast we are embodying the Observer Paradox yeah if Alex just yells it's simultaneously a joke and serious at the same time but once discussed it no longer exists you know that is such that thing that he said of like even if it did come from Europe who cares that is such that colonialist mindset well sure you should care it's immensely important where something comes from because it is coming from a different

fucking environment and it's you have to be aware of each ecosystem that you're coming into and the colonists is just like I like corn let's take it to America yeah like that that concept is kind of silly and if you will yeah you know like I some I think it was it might be starlings I can't remember for sure which bird it is but there was a guy who was so obsessed with Shakespeare that he believed that every bird mentioned in Shakespeare should be on all the continents so he brought

starlings here and it destroyed every competitor and became a monstrous nightmarish blight did did the Shakespeare the Shakespeare ever bring up cassowaries I do not believe he did thank God I do not believe you don't need more of them around they will murder they are murder birds yeah so in this next clip Alex complains about the Daily Beast writing an article about him and then he complains about people who are suing him well the way to shut Jones up is just do this

and that it's all about shutting me up and how to shut me down and then they run the lie again in quotes that he's playing a character and then there's no proof no evidence no link to it it's him saying he almost admitted in his deposition he's playing a character your lawyer said it and they put playing in character in quotes and again you understand the level of organized deceit by these people every article is the same it's all formulaically written it's all put out the

talking points and these people put it out to destroy the first amendment and destroy this country and your birthright these are clear and present dangerous organized lying stinking frauds ladies and gentlemen please don't forget the Memorial Day special it's going to be gone this week you okay sure it will yeah the Easter special will be back on though yeah undoubtedly next week I think it's so convenient that all of the people who are critiquing Alex and suing him

for the things that he's defamed them about are also just happened to be wanting to destroy this country and all of his listeners families it is strange seems it seems he's so lucky that the people who are personally going to jeopardize his money are also enemies of the republic you know it's it's just it's really it's really nice you know it really makes it so your content on the show can really work to defend yourself from lawsuits okay so merge it what if we try what if we put

it in a different way like say you didn't like the way you were getting covered by the press and so I mean conveniently it also happened that they were enemies of the republic right you know it's very convenient so they're so obviously they're the two are the same you don't like getting criticized you know what the enemy of the public everybody wins you know it achieves it achieves getting his audience to hate anyone who criticizes him yep that's number one and then number two

it makes it so so much of the content of his show can sort of low key be about him being sued without him having to say things yeah that will like end up being another lawsuit if he attaches the idea of all of these globalists and all these enemies of America they're the ones who are coming after him it makes it very easy for his audience to build up that hatred of the people who are coming after him through his long rambling diatribes about the globalists yeah translated

transitive property it's very sneaky speaking to sneaky Alex has his lawyer back on the show oh boy he has also Jim hoffed from Gateway pundit on but it's kind of boring and so we're not gonna listen to any of that but Robert Barnes good work Barnes is back on the show and he is boring also but he does say this that is should scare you to hear a lawyer say oh boy because this seems to be a bit of a defense of tyranny in many ways. Obstructing a coup is not obstruction of justice.

It is justice and that's what President Trump did so so that's a bit of a slippery slope to make that argument huh oh boy that's troublesome mm-hmm I mean on its face it does seem like that makes a certain kind of sense in this context it means that anybody who criticizes or attempts to hold the president accountable for his actions there's not doing anything there in a coup maybe something that's told them to do in the Constitution instead it's a coup so no crime can be committed

in defense of this nation no no crime perhaps he should jail the people who have investigated him maybe he should yeah maybe there should be a purge maybe there should be a hard labor camps for these globalists purge for 24 hours everybody who is indicted Trump can all of these arguments are in service of creating the very circumstances yeah and environment where power can be abused that Alex is pretended to be against for his whole fucking career yeah this is ridiculous so anyways

good work Barnes so not too long ago maybe like a month or two maybe a little bit longer than that we heard Alex talk about how he can't sleep except sitting up with like intense machinery is terrible sleep apnea and his neck is super thick 45% oxygen or whatever yeah so he talks more about his sleep in this next clip and then by the way guys we haven't we've resisted spoilers about Game of Thrones but now Alex is going to spoil Game of Thrones white supremacists ruin everything

I I warn you ahead of time but it's not like we could ignore this because he has some analysis of it that's I think he might have missed the point that he's the winner I am completely on edge I can't even sleep I'm somebody that usually sleeps like a dead person everybody they've gotten the left with his propaganda show wound up so hateful show wanting war I've got stacks of articles where they're writing major news articles about I love the last game of Thrones where the Queen used

the dragon to kill a city of 100,000 people we need to kill Republicans like that I mean so what you're feeling is they want to take over they want to kill you they want to kill babies after they're born there is a real energy of these people and they are crazy enough to make a run at Trump which if they were successful will cause a civil war so anyway you slice this on saying is the sixth sense doesn't just stop at feeling somebody staring at you from behind you turn around

sure as hell they're looking at you it doesn't just stop with a mountain line you feel and then you turn and right there it is it's better than that and we've talked about this privately it's not mumbo jumbo it's like a world's internet in the brain or brains are electrochemical we now know they do broadcast we're not just seeing with the with the so-called five senses and I think we all inherently you're an in touch guy right into mumbo jumbo here we probably

and you put a name to it either it's just it's just it I think everybody's mojo knows we're at a crossroads no question it's a certain mindset when you look at a show like Game of Thrones one of the most popular shows on television when most popular shows in the history of cable television the two writers really believe that they're ending the last couple of episodes we're going to be very popular in fact they're the most unpopular ending of a series and basically see TV

history definitely cable TV history and how did that happen they presume that people would find it normal okay within the range of acceptable conduct for someone to go kill a bunch of innocent women and children just because they were mad that day wait so so is his contention that the writers the D&D were thinking that everybody would be super stoked that Danny kills everybody or is he saying that the people hate the episode because they think it was actually a good idea

for Danny to have killed anybody and didn't like seeing her retribution at the end that's that's a great question I'm not entirely sure barns isn't really all that clear in his in his perspective Alex seems to think that it was predictive programming right as a way of being like this is what we should do to conservatives well yes naturally which is a real snowflakey level of agreement just self victim yeah status claiming but yeah I don't know I think I

think that's interesting in terms of how people see art but more interesting to me is that both of them are apparently psychics yeah that is that I don't like how they've talked about that off air like that's Alex says that twice he really that's not that's a bad lawyer in a minute and a half Alex literally said we talked about this off air it's not mumbo jumbo yeah twice yeah and what are you doing with that Bob cat Alex oh he tells a story about when he was younger he

his family had a land grant and so they had like a giant like hundred acre okay still does he still owns that land of course but when he was a kid he'd be out there and he'd be like shooting vermin and varmints yes yeah and one time he had a sense that something was watching him and he looked over and he saw a deer he's like that wasn't what was triggering my spidey sense so he looked over and he saw mountain lion but he only saw its tail and then he looked closer and he

saw the eyes and once the eyes met the mountain lion ran away all right okay well then in it's based on story I think he's right sure on everything it's I mean I don't I it's possible your sixth sense goes beyond that it's within the realm of stories that could have happened Alex parents did have a lot of land it wouldn't be all that crazy if he was walking around and got real lucky yeah running into a mountain yeah yeah no no no that's it's not an insane story until you add the

I'm a psychic part to it but well it's that memorability thing right there's hundreds and hundreds of times in your life that you've had a sense that something was bad and then nothing was bad right you don't remember any of those times but you do remember when you think something's bad and then you see a mountain lion it sticks out in your mind because the fulfillment of that feeling right anyway their psychics which is great I thought that was loose talk but

in a little bit we're gonna find out that Robert Barnes does think he's a psychic this is weird yeah how do these people get jobs I don't know so in this last clip here from the 30th Alex up to this point recently Alex has been talking a lot about wanting to quit and tracing that as a thread that's worth pointing out and here he gets into it again talking about how he doesn't really want to do this anymore never really did wanted to be a farmer look there's a part of me

I've been doing this 25 years that literally wants to stop I'll be completely honest with the listeners of yours there's a big part of me that I didn't get into this from some narcissistic perspective that I want to be on TV I didn't want to be on TV I want to be a farmer or a rancher and then I thought they want to take my guns 25 years ago and I got politically involved but I'm telling you this the info works as a symbol now that the enemy wants to take down

destroy like the American flag whatever I'm not comparing with the American flag I'm saying the enemy knows that you got Trump elected they know this broadcast worldwide and you promoting it has spread nationalist populist true capitalist ideas and they want us gone because we're the kryptonite you are the kryptonite and so period we need the listeners that haven't bought products to buy some and see how great they are wow auto ship that was amazing yeah

pretty that was amazing I want to quit I want to be a farmer give me money you know what I love look we've had a lot of fun with ad pivots in the past but that was one of the smoothest I've heard yeah in a long time it kind of did flow a little bit yeah it wasn't as abrasive as some of the other ones but yeah I think that that's kind of probably not accurate I'm sure Alex has always been paranoid about guns but in other points in his career I'm positive he would have

said that Waco the the experience of yeah church burning at Waco is what got him over like to be involved and get active in this like his campaign to help rebuild the church in Waco yeah that's like that was much more foundational in terms of starting his media career then I learned they were going to take my guns 25 years ago as a shorthand though that you know that's not terrible you know I mean he could just say Waco but then if you say Waco now people are going

to react differently than if you not his audience no that's fair enough that's fair enough I think it's more just that like everything has become so much about guns that in order for it to make sense then that has to be the root of why you're doing what you do right and I guess that you know you can repackage Waco is being about guns yeah it is you know I mean that's that's ostensibly what it was about so in this next clip we get into the 31st and man I got bad

news about the guest lineup on this show I'm your host Alex Jones we're going to be here for the next four hours and Robert Barnes who's great lawyer and really great talk show host psychic in studio with us for the second two hours and I will open the phones up on the host of issues he opens the phones like 10 minutes till he's done yeah I was going to say so no way does he want Barnes answering real people's questions Barnes is back again why is Barnes back he's on all

the time now is it is it like oh oh oh oh oh maybe maybe maybe he's trading I this is barter I had this thought I don't know I obviously can't prove that yet but that is a thought that crossed my mind that Alex is paying him with exposure yeah or something like yeah I don't know it's weird he's on a lot it in this it's fucking up here it's Alex is like you want to call us with me on Sunday yeah okay either that or he's like he's in town he's gradually just like everybody else in his

life is stepping away from him and that's possible that his lawyer is not going to step away from him yeah he's paying that guy he's in town visiting so it makes sense that this would be a time when he'd be on a bunch yeah but also that doesn't happen like Rogan will come in town for a weekend yeah shows it's not on every day yeah yeah it's it's strange because he doesn't really have that much to bring to the table so Rogan's lawyer isn't showing up on Rogan's podcast

either no that's that's also a weird thing yeah I think that the most likely explanation is that Alex has reached the pathetic level that he's just constantly hanging out on air with someone he literally pays to defend him yeah that that that does I think that seems on brand that doesn't appropriate yeah I also think that it's probably a bad sign that Barnes is trying to position himself as kind of this hot shot lawyer to the Ascendant right wing fascist community he was the

lawyer for the Covington kids and he keeps popping up on Alex's show he was a guest on a recent episode of Dave Rubin's show and he seems to be on Fox News a little bit pretty regularly or at least he has popped up on Fox News yeah given all this I decided maybe I should look into him a little bit more I kind of gave him the passes just sort of like a opportunistic lawyer but I think he's trying to create a brand you think so I think so so I read his bio on his website and I decided that

maybe I don't need to look too much further into this guy quote once established in a law and business advisory practice that spanned the globe from his home base in Malibu California Barnes parlayed his keen understanding of persuasion and patterns into a lucrative side business in sports and political bedding so okay we have a gambling lawyer so he used persuasion to set up a gambling ring which doesn't sound at all like how you might politely describe the mob

they used a lot of persuasion and they're gambling rings using his purse oh you know about these it says in there political gambling and you know it's interesting it turns out that he bet on Trump to win the election and ended up winning 470,000 euros that's right is prizes in euros because betting on presidential you can't do that here to go to Europe to do it no yeah that's not fair yeah he won like a half million dollars going to Europe and betting on elections what else

do you need get out of here it's away Barnes it seems like a real weird thing now for him to be actively involved in political activities that support Trump when he made half a million dollars gambling on the election didn't Pete Rose get banned for this you shouldn't you get banned for life from that you're cheating Barnes isn't going to make it into the whole thing he's not going to make it his bio goes on to say quote Barnes is now working for the rights of the underdog

providing his prescient fortune telling strategy and polling insight to candidates of the populist persuasion a lawyer wrote that I think that that means he's he literally thinks he can see the future and he's using his mystical abilities to help fascists which doesn't sound at all like something that Hitler did back yeah that really does sound like so in 2004 Robert Barnes represented Joe Bannister in his tax protest case against the IRS Joe Bannister is someone who's been

a hero of Alex's for a really long time I find it very difficult to imagine that Alex wouldn't have known who Joe Bannister's lawyer was there's possibility that he's known this dude for 15 years yeah for sure if I don't know that to be certain but the fact that he was involved with Bannister means that or at the very least known of him yes yeah for sure yeah in 2008 Robert Barnes represented Girls Gone Wild creator Joe Francis on tax evasion charges well he did for a little

while but ultimately left his his counsel to which Francis said quote the only reason they wanted me as a client was to mooch off me and open up an LA office there the Paris Hilton lawyers just to be famous not to do anything God even when he's criticizing a monster that guy still a dick yeah yeah what a dick so in 2017 Barnes represented Cassandra Fairbanks when she was trying to sue a reporter for fusion the reporter had tweeted an image of Fairbanks at the White House doing

the okay hand gesture which the reporter captioned as a quote white power hand gesture this is exactly why the trolls started doing that gesture to begin with to bait people into responding this way then suing them it's a publicity trap and the lawyer Fairbanks got to represent her was Robert fucking Barnes fusion rightly responded the complaint quote is clearly frivolous this suit is an obvious publicity stunt in an attempt to intimidate reporters who scrutinize the

extreme right which is correct yeah Barnes is into that that's pretty much dead on in June 2018 the lawsuit was thrown out because of course it was in 2018 Chuck Johnson hired Barnes to represent him when he sued Twitter for when they kicked him off after he had threatened to quote take out civil rights leader DeRay McKesson I don't know why they threatened to kick him off so you got like a real interesting real thread through Barnes his career of some real interesting

cases especially lately yeah also represented Ralph Nader in a case and also was a Wesley Snipes's text lawyer why not you know he has he has an interesting history of some of those like celebrity clients and the more recent stuff of like explicitly working with right wing figures for for a little bit like Avan Barksdale's lawyer like like that whole guy they have on retainer of just like hey if any of our guys goes to goes to prison you're the one representing him like

that kind of thing I think that's sort of the position he's trying to claim yeah space he's trying to claim yeah they the right wing propaganda community and I think that's interesting and I think it's going to blow up in his face because of Alex yes of course but we'll see maybe he'll be wise enough to avoid the pitfalls but I don't think he is if he's going on this show a lot yeah no it seems like he's he's doing the classic it's like it's like a it's like a

shortcut that has a trap door yeah take the long way you get there safe shortcut you're gonna fall through this is folly you're putting too much attention on yourself yeah especially too much bad attention yeah as you're going on Alex's fucking show three times in a week you're that's crazy yeah so Alex is going to complain here in this next clip before Barnes shows up about how blue cities are falling apart but of course we know because we've listened to Alex's show

before he says it all the fucking time Dava D. Dava died every blue city in the country is not just collapsing into typhoid and leprosy and drug resistant TB and literally hundreds of other diseases hundreds they're collapsing into homelessness drug abuse needles with a cherry on top of men dresses women running around at public events with small children that's the cherry on top with Sodom and Gomorrah real in the Bible Archaeologists think

so the Old Testament yeah okay but that but you're Sodom come point of order real today what's your point of order people people aren't referencing Sodom and Gomorrah just as the place like there's a larger context around it that it doesn't matter if the place is real or not but Alex's story needs to be but Alex has said that it is so I mean Archaeologists say it is no I know but that that doesn't mean that the the story is true yeah it doesn't mean that no even if the place

is true doesn't mean the story is true no it doesn't so a number of folks over the years have tried to claim that they've discovered the archaeological sites where Sodom and Gomorrah once stood but each time their claims are scrutinized and found to be deeply flawed you know I also I would imagine that a lot of those guys share one thing which is they're looking for Sodom and Gomorrah for a very specific reason now that reason is to strongly disagree because I think the archaeological

curiosity is very strong yeah that's true you know like Heinrich Schleeman spending his whole life trying to find Troy right right I get that I think that I don't think anyone's trying to prove anything by archaeology maybe a couple are but not most well that's fair because those two guys the wanted to prove bones and shit dinosaurs I fucking know Heinrich Schleeman so that's what you want is an archaeologist fair enough being the person to stake your name on a right on a thing imagine

being the person who discovers Sodom yeah fair enough I suppose I was more leaning towards the people who would then exploit it immediately after that that is fair that's who I was thinking yeah but one of the more prominent proposed locations for Sodom is a dig site called tall al Hamam which many found to be a pretty good candidate as you know fitting geographically possibly where it was unfortunately mom and tell your mother you're brilliant. Unfortunately once people look

closer they found that if that site is accepted as Sodom then it completely rewrites and invalidates accepted biblical dates for the time period similar problems pop up in many attempts to pin down a geographic location for either of the cities yeah Alex is kind of right in as much as some enterprising archaeologists looking to make a name for themselves do think that they found Sodom or Gomorrah but a wider scholarly community takes a more measured approach

taking the position that they could be real places but we don't have evidence that they are as of yet also I don't think you'd find many archaeologists who believe the story of Sodom and Gomorrah literally I would suspect most of them would say that if the place was real and there's any truth to the story it's a metaphorical retelling of a natural disaster that happened and wiped out a ton of people it's an element of oral tradition it's scapegoating we talked a little bit about this

when Alex brought up ASOP and there are a lot of parallels you tell a story about two cities destroyed by a terrible earthquake or something and you need to have it make sense so in oral tradition you introduce an element of divine retribution that caused this instead of shitty luck and that way you also reinforce cultural norms and expectations through the telling of the story and there you go yeah a bunch of guys wanted to rape some angels and instead they fuck

that dudes they rape those dudes daughters and anyways the city destroyed don't do any of that shit there you go able complete indeed so anyway archaeologists don't agree that Sodom and Gomorrah were real places based on available evidence Alex is just doing that to I guess be a dick yeah it does sound like that yeah so in this next clip Alex says that he is willing to turn on Trump and Kushner and this is because news has come out that Kushner is going to Bilderberg and this is a big

problem yeah that's going to really fuck with your narrative there yeah but Alex has decided it's cool unless Kushner pulls fucking Cersei and high septans that shit you know what I'm saying I don't think he has any wildfire but the the thing is with with Alex he's already done this yeah Trump went to Davos yeah like he's already worked out how to play this game it's like yes of course it's a den of globalists yeah but it's fine they're cool yeah that's a simple paste and replace

yeah situation there so he's responding to criticisms that a lot of people have been throwing at him the Kushner is going to Bilderberg so in order to say like hey this isn't a problem he makes it clear that if there ever is a problem or if there was he would fucking turn on them right which I would like to point out this happened six times already yeah so this doesn't mean that effect now if I see anything out of Kushner or Trump that's pissing on our sovereignty or our freedom our

values I'll turn on them like a pit bull on PCP but let me give you a little news flash it ain't gonna happen it's not folks it's not so everybody should just relax you're conquering Bilderberg right now okay all right fair enough when in when investigating a hypothesis one should never assume the outcome before the experiment has taken place is the experiment Kushner going to Bilderberg yes it is not an experiment that's just a dude going to a meeting fair enough it's not

anything now the experiment is what would it take for somebody to turn on Trump don't worry about it that's not going to happen so yeah it's not going to happen because you're not going to do it not because of them we've seen that it's not going to happen with Alex because it happened repeatedly of course and it's just like I'll just walk that back when I sober up yep cool whatever man that's that's not fair so you remember earlier I was talking about the idea of this purge that people

were pushing for in the beginning early days of Trump's presidency all of these people in the right wing media including Alex and a lot of his guests and people who are more associated with him then than they are now people like Mike Cernovich right who doesn't come around anymore a lot of people's images don't show up in their photographs anymore I compared that to specifically and intentionally the idea of this recent purge that Kim Jong-un carried out yeah I didn't expect for Alex

to bring back Robert Barnes on this thirty first episode and them talk about that purge and be kind of cool with it oh no he's ending the status quo we know 60 years of this ain't working exactly and what he's done is he's decided now this is not that the happiest or healthiest mechanism of dealing with a failed peace conference is to kill and imprison everybody who he blames for it but what he's what he's doing is he's establishing that he wants it to go forward that he does not

blame the president that he wants the president's agenda and he blames his people for not achieving that agenda of the peace and a taunt that the president's called and then Trump signals he may get rid of Bolton which is another signal absolutely that is a really fucked up way to rationalize and be like hey it's totally cool this dictator either killed or whoa it's not cool it's definitely not the healthiest way to go about it dad that's so stupid that's such a that is

oh boy oh boy not the healthiest way to do it hey look but there are better ways if I had a signal somehow it is kind of he got to give it to him it is so much you gotta give it to Kim Jong-un he is trying to signal to Trump that he wants to move forward by killing the people who negotiated this agreement yep this is very this you know what this is a real strategic move on his part and if it achieves his goal then I think we should support it that was one of the most disjointed

like ideas I've heard come out of a lawyer's mouth let alone a guest on Alex Jones's show like it's it's delusional first of all it the idea because like what the North Korean press or you know what I was reading was that the idea for the purge was that Kim Jong-un was mad that these people didn't understand US intentions in the meeting and the US intention they didn't understand was that there was an expectation of complete denuclearization yeah and so it doesn't seem like

the purge was particularly to get more in line with no seems like it might be more away from what Trump should have been pushing for yeah so it seems like this is a step backwards but Robert Barnes and Alex Jones are willing to go on air and argue that a purging of government officials in the wake of a not going great conference not the best way to go about it but okay but it's a good sign way it's a it's a positive you know a lot of people a lot of people think

that you know meteors crashing into the earth is a bad but you know what we get to see all that fire first it's great that's a that's a wild thought I mean there's a lot of times that I just think like these guys are really going for it and that's one of them that's really going for it yeah trying to sort of reclaim Moon Kim Jong-un purging people as a positive for the Nationalism it's their space you know it's fucked up man you know it is nice to see Barnes really

demystifying lawyers you know because so often they're presented as being rational intelligent people when you know what they're just assholes like the rest of us and that dude's fucking crazy uh-huh speaking of crazy Robert Barnes is nuts is nuts so there's a bit of story going around that's that's come out about some tapes that are supposed to be released I believe in 2027 of Martin Luther King and they don't portray him in a positive light the tapes

that were used to blackmail him probably that yeah I would assume so I don't know enough about it and all the reporting on it that I was I was looking at was secondhand yeah people who had seen them in the archives so I don't have a full position on it at press time as we record this but I do have a position on it in terms of like I don't think that anyone is trying to get Martin Luther King canceled you know what I mean that's damn damn yeah because they did it I mean

because they did cancel him I mean the very people you make a fair point I mean the left and the SJWs aren't trying to cancel Martin Luther King with this talk of these tapes right right that that seems to be what Alex believes though and Alex and Robert Barnes have a conversation about the canceling of Martin Luther King right and they have a theory about why the left has turned on him and have what did we with according to Alex and Barnes I don't recall doing

that I don't either still pretty sure he's okay in my book I don't recall turning on Martin Luther King either but I guess now that Alex and Robert have said it we have it does seem like we did I guess retroactively and now we get to find out why so this is what's unique about Martin Luther King was that he was a racial unifier get your name to civil rights wasn't based on hey I'm black give me civil rights it was I'm an American and that's the real reason I killed him

absolutely so that he was a unifying figure across classes across races and he was appealing to the deepest part of Americana so that's interesting alright so the way that he said that is so mixed with being correct and wrong in the right and wrong ways simultaneously that it vexes me Dan it's a little wild so it's a vexing episode in this next clip you'll get more vexed probably the left is openly trying to discredit Martin Luther King exactly I mean it shows

how crazy the left has got King is probably the biggest threat to their divisive message of anybody in our public lexicon that's why I've been quite recording once a month of every hour because because I mean they have to take him out they have to take him out because he was a uniter now if I were to make a complete is he are they writing J Edgar Hoover's speeches for him like what is going on here weird this is bananas they're talking about what J Edgar Hoover did who

was not on the left no no no no no no maybe maybe no no I mean what they're describing right is what happened maybe there's not enough context from those clips but what they're saying is that these tapes they're not happy about the like J Edgar Hoover and the FBI right all their actions right they're saying now the left is going to use all that to cancel Martin Luther King okay okay and all that so I if I were to make a complete list this podcast may never end but I wanted to point

out a few things that Alex and Barnes are intentionally leaving out of their discussion of Martin Luther King Jr. things that make me a hundred percent sure that should Alex have been active in the 60s he would have been on the side of those calling for King's head oh yeah in 1952 Martin Luther King wrote quote I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic capitalism has outlived its usefulness in 1967 the left wants to call him in 1967 Martin Luther King literally

gave a speech at Riverside Church and posited that private property rights were not a primary concern the left hates him quote when machines and computers profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people the giant triplet of racism materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered he's the only thing standing in between the left and victory Dan in his final book where do we go from here King pushes for guaranteed income constitutional

amendments regarding economic equality and increasing public housing he expresses support for job guarantees and universal health care he literally called for redistribution of wealth and that's why he's the darling of the right Dan because of his inclusive message what Alex and Robert Barnes are doing here is engaging in whitewashing of Martin Luther King's life and legacy he was a uniter absolutely but he was trying to unite people for a goal that these two dum-dums would have

fought tooth and nail against you think Alex Jones would have heard him literally called for reparations and said hey this guy's a real uniter you think Alex Jones would have read the letter from Birmingham jail where he said that moderate whites may be more of an impediment to civil rights than the Klan and he would have thought this guy is some interesting points all of Alex's guides and inspirations were diametrically opposed to Martin Luther King when he was actually alive

Alex's favorite book none dare call it conspiracy was written by Gary Allen a dude who worked for the George Wallace campaign who was a fucking segregationist Alex's favorite non-Trump politician of all time Ron Paul was explicitly against the civil rights act and that's true of a upsettingly large number of libertarians yeah my point is this you can say that Martin Luther King was a uniter all you want and in many ways that's totally cool what Alex and Barnes are doing here however

is stealing Martin Luther King's legacy from him and imagining that there's some possible world exists where they would have been in that very small percentage of the population that didn't hate Martin Luther King when he was still alive this is a pathetic and disgusting display but just about what you'd expect from these couple of dicks I think I would say that's pretty much the the entire Republican Party's default position regarding Martin Luther King

Jr. that idea of like I mean it's it's one of Louis CK is better bits but the the idea that every year white people add another hundred years from the day slavery happened yeah you know like that every day that Martin Luther King Jr. has been dead we can take a little bit away from what he was actually trying to do and then just really oh he was a symbol of American unity you put that's what he was yeah Alex pretends that like all the stuff he screams about the

globalist about aren't like very in line with stuff that King was pushing for yeah exactly like go fuck yourself Alex you would have been screaming that he's a globalist uh huh you dumb prick and that is why he was taken out is because he was uniting a lot of people in order to fight against people like you people like people who are as engaged in maintaining the status quo as you are yeah yeah yeah so from what I killed Fred Hampton from what I understand a bit of this tape

and the tapes that are are to be released are they have to do with mistreatment of women and that is obviously something that does complicate his legacy that is something that has to be discussed it's something that you can't you can't just ignore these bad parts of important figures and it doesn't mean that you have to say that they're uh uh canceled yeah yeah or anything like that but you do you have to wrestle with those things and it's interesting the way that Alex

wrestles with that specific element because I think he goes the I think you get a glimpse into how his brain works here he hates the he somehow is like no it's actually good that you'll see oh boy so they're trying to leak negative nasty things about King because they need to remove him from the lexicon that's what communists do all in in in hardcore they're out absolutely they kill you really are shut you down he's dead that's perfect then they build up this

straw man that you weren't he's now a Kavanaugh rapist exactly Kavanaugh's on a rape they're comparing him to Harvey Weinstein that's how insane this is they're saying that Martin Luther King was the Harvey Weinstein of history that is that is a ridiculous no Harvey Weinstein is completely psychotic because what King said was true whether what they're saying about him is true I don't buy a damn because I've been there so many lies I don't believe damn thing they say let's have

no proof it just makes me like King even more well first I believe you're discussing tapes which would which would I assume be the proof right so they do have proof presumably yeah and also what no that's not good no it's weird it's weird that that's your impulse is like hey these sorts of accusations of violence against women makes me like him even more oh Alex your brain is weird that's not good no that's not good so in this next clip Barnes makes clear that he doesn't know

shit about what Martin Luther King was all about but he's still trying to claim him he's trying to take the legacy and everybody wants him and so what you see with King is King presents a historical counter narrative to the leftist agenda it's a unifying agenda it's an American rooted agenda it's a constitution based agenda King was very much about unifying people unifying people in the name of a conservative tradition what in general into by appealing to

our constitutional history and by particularly saying all in very patriotic that because I'm an American I'm because I'm a man I should have the same rights as all men and as all Americans it was not a reparations based appeal it was not a victim based appeal it was not a poor me pity me appeal it was not to give me special rights appeal it was it it was give me equal rights appeal so here's why that's stupid I would like I would like Barnes Barnes I challenge

you now to give me one thing about Martin Luther King Jr. that you have read and remembered because none of that well here's something he should read or go ahead right I'll just read it for him that would be nice of you is a speech that Martin Luther King Jr. gave in 1968 it was on his speaking tour leading up to the poor people's March in Washington quote at the very same time that America refused to give the Negro any land through an act of Congress our

government was giving away millions of acres of land in the West and Midwest which meant it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor but not only did they give them land they built land grant colleges and government money to teach them how to farm not only that they provided county agents to further their expertise in farming not only that they provided low interest rates in order that they could mechanize their farms not

only that today many of these people are receiving billions of dollars in federal subsidies not to farm and they are the very people telling the black man that he ought to lift himself up by his bootstraps and this is what we're faced with and this is the reality he finished his thoughts by saying quote now when we come to Washington in this campaign we are coming to get our check is explicitly about reparations Barnes and Alex are not interested in Martin

Luther King Jr. No they hate they are interested in stealing him and turning him into a prop that they can use to further their agenda and their propaganda. Yeah, it's very transparent. No any really Fox News should be banned from actually saying Martin Luther King Jr. His name. Yeah, like it's so disgraceful for any of them to even say it. Yeah. Oh, it's disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. So remember how Alex responded to the stuff about these tapes the idea that it

makes it like him more. He loves it. He loves it. It would be just like a room talk Dan it would lock a room talk. It would be weird to just hear that I would find that fucked up. But then it's even weirder that not a couple of minutes later. He says this Randall about 14 years old. Oh no. And one of my dad's cousins was over and she was good looking hot blonde. She's probably like 30 years old. What? And man her husband was there and I can't we've been out shooting

everything's lawyer. I've been out there with her for friends but man I slapped her on the ass and it was sexual and he kind of looked me said hey better watch it and she she laughs but he was like and that I'm a 14 year old slapping a full woman on the ass and he was kind of like hey Junior better watch it because it was sexual and I couldn't help it. It's unbelievable. We'll be right back. There's no reason to tell that story. Why did you tell that story? What the fuck just

happened there? I don't know you are you're on you're on the air man. That's even even one on one that conversation that story coming up would make me go I wish we'd never started. I think he just thinks he has attorney client privilege because he's talking to his lawyer on air. None of this is usable. None of this is useful against me. So it's really weird to have a situation where yeah I mean there is the possibility that you know the some of Martin Luther King

Junior's personal history is going to change in terms of the conversation surrounding him. I think that that's that's something that that history allows for scholarship allows for that. Yeah the context of these recordings is something that'll be more complicated conversation to have eventually but when Alex is like the left is just trying to take him out because he's a threat to the the narrative or whatever and also by the way whenever there's accusations of sexual

assault I'm cool with it. I kind of like the person more and then he immediately tells a story about sexually assaulting a family member at 14. It's weird really weird. That's just a weird story. It's from start to finish. It's weird. Why you're telling it to me weird. What it is weird. It's a cousin weird. She's married and 30 and your first cousin wants to remove weird. Yeah. All of this is weird. I don't I don't appreciate none of that. Nope. It's it's vexing. It's very

vexing. I thought I suppose that naively I thought everybody knew that J. Edgar Hoover was trying to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr. because he was having multiple affairs and I think that I thought that was normal. It doesn't. I think so. Okay. I think as I under I don't know because the articles that I was reading were not specific enough for me to really glean a ton of information about it. I don't know. I'm not qualified to speak on it because I don't I don't know enough. I know

I know that there is a kernel of it that probably involves right that exact thing. Right. Right. Who were trying to blackmail but I also assume that there's more information in there than is known. Yeah. It's really difficult going back through with so many of those people of like the heroes of the women's right to vote movement also being virulently anti trans and and all of this stuff where you look back at these people who you think are pillars of progressive thought

you know and then you go back and it's like oh you're actually a monster like but you did. I don't know. Yeah. And that's the complicated. Yeah. Exactly. Legacy that a lot of people leave behind and that's that's difficult. Yeah. But also Alex does bring up something that really does scare me because it is something that could be done eventually with the emerging technologies that we have that is when someone's dead you could completely rewrite their history. Yeah.

By creating doctored videos of stuff with all the new technologies that are emerging. There is the possibility of doing that. I don't think that's what's going on here but it's a fucking scary thought that is a super scary thought and I assume that people who listen to Alex and his community will be more likely to do that than anyone else. Yeah. I try really hard never to think about that because it is too terrifying. Yeah. It's the annihilation of reality

objective reality. So I don't know man. This is a weird episode. It's been vexing as you've said and I agree. It's full of barns. So much barns. This show is crazy. I expect he's done zero good work dad. None. I expected to go back and like you know obviously I thought it was going to be a lot of Mueller talk but it's not much. It's just Robert Barnes talks for a little while about how like you know he did. He was way out of line in that press conference like

okay that's what I expected to hear. Yeah. It's real boring. There's just not much. It's kind of it's kind of every time every time. We think it's going to be something and then all of a sudden it's you got to give it up to Kim Jong-un for murdering people. There's that and then also a lot of cauliflower talk which I am not here for. No. Don't care. So yeah I don't know. I'm glad that we did this episode if only for Alex's drop about donuts. Yeah that is too good. If only for that.

You want to play that again. I do. I was back in the coffee room for somebody bought donuts and I just inhaled two of them. Stop it. I appreciate it. You're not tickled by that. You don't have a soul. So it's worth it for that. God. But we'll be back with another episode on Wednesday. We will tell then we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight dot com. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight and I'm at go to bed

Jordan. We're on Facebook. We are on Facebook and you can download us on the iTunes other places. Subscribe reviews. Find them all go to Napster. Yeah. Yeah. You'll be able to get some wire. Good stuff. Can't remember any other places to download music. But yeah until then I mean Robert Barnes had a lot of weird clients but I'll say I don't think Ralph Nader's killed anybody. Probably true. Paid Robert Barnes some money but probably never killed anybody. Ralph Nader

maybe. I don't know. No. Nader never killed. No it doesn't seem like. Nader doesn't kill. His hands are too weak. But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. Andy and Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.