Knowledge Fight - #305: February 1, 2013

Episode Date: June 5, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan go back to the past to continue their examination of how Alex Jones behaved in the weeks after Sandy Hook. In this installment, all of the narratives that were previously in play are dropped, as Alex welcomes two guests that inspire him to do a show primarily about post-tribulation rapture and topics he already covered in his "documentary" Endgame.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. How do you feel about a good saltine? Are you a saltine cracker guy? Are you are you a Trisket? I like a trick. Oh, you can see there's a box. Oh, yeah, there is it. I can only see the back I like a Trisket. You like a Trisket? Yeah, sure. If you if I'm going for a cracker, I'll probably get a Trisket I absolutely have no use for

Saltine it's a very boring cracker and it reminds me of times that I would go to the the nurse's office and an elementary school and I was faking sick and They'd give me saltines and tell me to go back to class. To punch you. Yeah Saltine to get back to class. You are incredibly dry crackers. Yep. I have that with no water No, they give me sometimes a little Gatorade to to Get the electrolytes and hydrate back of course. No, I don't think I've ever experienced a good saltine Yeah, that's my position on it. I love the way you said that that is that is that was said like you were in a 15th century novel just like I don't think I've ever experienced a good saltine

I like a wheat thin from time to time How do you feel about the Kebler buttery crisps one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a cracker. Yeah, and that rounds out I think those are all the crackers. Yeah, so this is a show where I know about those crackers and none others And I know a lot about Alex Jones and I only know what you tell me about both correct So Jordan today, we've got an interesting episode back in the past in 2013 Checking in on what Alex Jones was doing in the aftermath of Sandy Hook, of course We are on February 1st

2013 today one day only two one one three Mm-hmm one day only because this is a weird fucking show Okay, I was so disoriented by it and it was one of the least pleasurable Experiences I've had preparing an episode just because I was so all over the place like it or Alex was I guess and I was just following Yeah, it was a situation you're the one doing I felt so untethered from the 2013 period like it doesn't it's It's anachronistic. Uh-huh feels different like there. It's just it's just this one day Yeah, it's completely all over the place and we'll get to we'll get to how and why and what happens Excellent, but before we do I need to give a little bit of a correction from our episode our last episode or Monday episode

We talked about there being reports in Reuters of there being a purge It done by Kim Jong-un of some government officials in the aftermath of a failed summit with Donald Trump And as it turns out those were erroneous reports I apologize to everybody that I got that wrong But the circumstance was that at the time that we recorded the episode those that was what was being reported in the news and I operated off that and was discussing what was being reported right now the more important piece of it was I Wasn't reporting that as to say here is what's happening in North Korea. This is the news I was discussing it in the context of Alex Jones believes this to be true, right?

And his response to it is cool Yeah, yeah, or more accurately I guess not the best way to send a signal to Donald Trump, but hey, it's all right So the conversation of it being whether it is true or not is important absolutely and I don't like that You know, we dropped the ball a little bit But the bigger piece of it is it still stands alone True whether the story that it's based on is true or not right because You know the Alex Jones's response to that story under the assumption of it being true was fucked up. Yeah

Yeah, that's that's a little bit like Look, we we got the reporting wrong on the Temple of Doom But Alex did still see that guy get his heart ripped out and he was like that's a great idea his take on it was yeah still bad Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I mean that's kind of one of the reasons why I Find the present a little bit less gratifying to cover in as much as there's there There's the possibility or the greater possibility for things like that misunderstandings Bad reporting that you read and then by the time the episode Goes up right, you know has been corrected. That's almost an indictment of the 24-hour news cycle entirely. I absolutely think so

Yeah, I agree with you don't don't date at all But it's one of the definite downsides of it the fluidity of a lot of these things and the speed with which They they hit you. Yeah, so like I said today We're in 2013 February 1st and we'll get to you know discussing some of that fucked up at miss But before we do got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. Yay. That's nice Hey, so first Matt. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks Matt Next web. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you web Next Patricia. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Next Lillian

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I'd like to support what these guys do you can do that by going to our website knowledge fight calm clicking the button That says support the show we would appreciate please do it would be very kind so We're on the first and this first clip is only interesting When you get to the end of the show Ladies and gentlemen get ready strap yourselves in it is Friday the first day of February 2013 We're gonna be here for the next three hours and then I will return Lord willing this Sunday as I always do four to six p.m. Central Standard time five to seven p.m. Eastern for the Sunday transmission very standard introduction to the show and Saturday off

No, you always know you always take center at the standard But the only reason that I even made note of that is this is a four-hour show. Yeah, he says he's doing three hours He does another hour just on a whim. He had no idea do that. Yeah, you can go into overdrive Oh, okay. He often goes into overdrive for like five minutes or something I'm only making note of this to show that like he often does not know what he's going to do or What his schedule is going to be like when he starts the show, right, right, right? I'm on air for three hours. Oh, right. I did an extra hour, right? Yeah, you shouldn't be able to oops do another extra hour. You should prepare there should be

I think it's indicative that the spirit is in him. Yeah, whatever. He's doing. He wants to be doing okay He extended it because of gotcha. We'll get to okay. Oh boy. Yeah, I don't like that tone of voice Well, you know in that clip he did say Lord willing. We'll be back on Sunday. Yes And you could take that as like guys get kind of religious and on this episode. He does get quite religious Okay, but I should say that he always says Lord willing. I'll be back. Okay. Okay, so that's not an indication of that That was like occupied, Texas, you know, that's a little bit of black. Yeah He is big into the rapture on this episode. Okay Specifically post-tribulation rapture

Which we know he's a big fan of yeah, he doesn't do the pre-trib. No Yeah, that's bullshit. He believes that and we'll get into this a little bit later in the episode He believes that the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture was concocted by the globalists Because they were scared of the Christians ability to take them out. Yeah, that sounds right. And so they needed to Deat deep fang of the the Christians and so they're like, hey, don't worry about it You'll be raptured before all the trouble that we're gonna cause. Okay, so don't worry about it All right, that's the craziest way to look at that and I mean, I don't think there's either pre or post-trib raptures That's a that's even in the Bible

That's a thing that we're gonna have to think about a little bit, but before we do Alex needs to talk about How that is the dynamic at play that Christians used to be so Against tyranny, but now they don't care because of pre-trib rapture. That sounds why do Christians submit to tyranny today? Why did Christians found America by saying no King but King Jesus King George is a tyrant they didn't and led that rebellion But today, why do they submit and the biggest issue is they teach a pre-tribulation rapture the biggest issue So we're gonna examine that and again, even if you're not a Christian This is an important anthropology important sociology important psychology So if you've been listening along to these 2013 episodes in the aftermath of Sandy Hook, this is incongruous

This this focus on pre and post-trib rapture is very much like what is happening He did a fucking extended gold commercial at the end of the previous day's episode Yeah, yeah yelling about like grunting park security guards And being in hot springs, you know, yeah, that was the day before this well the moment Park Ranger grunts at you. You got to start thinking about the end times I think that makes perfect sense, you know first thing that happens Then the very next thought the very next day is just like this shit is oh, I don't know what's gonna happen next But I hope there's a rapture. It's just it's very weird

It's very incongruous from a narrative perspective like there is this came out of left field to me This is not at all what I expected of course not so I also I should say I've been hearing Alex say that no king But King Jesus thing a bit in these 2013 episodes Yeah, but for a while I just kind of assumed that it was some kind of phrasing and paraphrasing of scripture that I don't remember So I just decided to leave it alone But for some reason at this time I don't know why it hit my ears a little bit differently and maybe it's because of that jarring shift from what he was doing

The previous days this this religiosity right, right, that's why it hit me differently So I decided to see if I could trace down where that phrase came from and what we can learn about Alex's beliefs from his repeated Use of it to attack Obama. I'm gonna guess not the Bible Uh As it turns out there's something that Alex is clearly referencing here as the story goes John Adams and John Hancock were meeting at the home of Reverend Jonas Clark on the night of April 18th 1775 that fucking guy Clark was a pastor and said to be involved in the local militias as the men gathered Paul revere arrived and Warned that the Brits were coming so then when major British major pitcairn showed up

He demanded that the men lay down their arms to which the Patriots were said to have replied quote We recognize no sovereign, but God and no king, but Jesus There's a lot of problems with this. Oh Just from a historical like like what well for one neither John Adams nor John Hancock were present when pitcairn arrived historically Second it was Samuel Adams who attended the meeting at Clark's house not John Adams Brewer and a Patriot third Pitcairn's very detailed account of the night in question April 18th 1775 doesn't include any of this You can't trust him though. He's a Brit, but it does include plenty of other dialogues

So one would assume that this would be mentioned had it have happened It's unclear if this framing of the quote in this fashion actually exists anywhere prior to a speech that John Ashcroft gave at the noted Evangelical Christian school Bob Jones University in which he said quote a slogan of the American Revolution Which was so distressing to the emissaries of the king that it was found in correspondences sent back to England was the line We have no king, but Jesus tax collectors came asking for that which belonged to the king and colonists frequently said we have no king But Jesus John Ashcroft was George W. Bush's attorney general So it'd be certainly weird if that was where Alex was taking his quote from seeing as he fucking hates

George double George W. Bush and all things related to him. So that's weird Yeah, it turns out he's a he's cool with that one though It's it is a pretty good turn of phrase and it sounds like a great legend Well, it's far more likely that Alex is getting this from a more succinct version of the story of that night April 18th 1775 that was told by Charles a Jennings The stuff about King George is even in Jennings version of the story The idea would be we don't recognize him as a sovereign almost everything They matches up with Alex's story

Matches up also with Charles a Jennings Okay, Jennings was a leader in the Christian identity movement, which was a religious group That was very popular among the extreme right in the 1980s. I was about I was just waiting for your first sentence to be Jennings was a Nazi Right around that, you know, he was popular with this The world that Alex probably would have been in right around the time that he was coming of age sounds right From their earliest days among their other beliefs Christian identity members called for the liquidation of the UN They didn't believe in paying taxes and argued that the sheriff was the highest constitutional authority in the land I did I just I'm so glad those ideas were stamped out all the way back then

There's a heavy heavy overlap with Alex's beliefs to a point where I would be very unlikely to call it a coincidence This is important because it does appear that Charles Jennings is the first person to articulate the fabricated story where the quote Alex is Repeatedly saying comes from this this thing Seems to be parroting and beyond just being a ray-wing Christian figure Jennings is also a huge racist pile of shit From an article in the St. Louis Post Dispatch from March 5th 2000 about Charles Jennings and a Christian identity conference being held in Branson, Missouri Quote children sat with their parents as speaker Charles a Jennings called himself a quote strong racist and said he was pleased that quote the quality of our races in this room

One audience member who applauded Jennings speech was Tom Robb the grand dragon of the Knights of the Clue-Clux Klan If Alex is getting his beliefs about the American Revolution from preachers who were leaders in the Christian identity movement It implies a very foundational problem with his beliefs namely that he believes white supremacist propaganda to be actual history I suspect that's what Alex generally means when he says lower So so do they mean it like I'm a strong racist like in the context of like the strong Connected force between neutrons and protons and then the weak. I think it just means emphatically Oh, okay. Yeah, okay So this this idea is very interesting to me the idea that Alex believes this

Articulation of a story that absolutely didn't happen historically, but was used fairly propaganda Wise yeah, yeah, that's an extremist right-wing communities So in this next clip remember on our last episode from the 2019 period Alex and Robert Barnes We're talking about how they're psychic. Yes Alex has long felt this way and I'm telling you the globalist believe in God and They believe in spiritual forces. I mean, how do you know when somebody's looking at you? You can be walking to the woods and the same ship on a thousand acres How do you do this?

Or on my family's property needs taxes and repeatedly I know when somebody's looking at me and I'm always right you're never right I I'm amazed by that myself Every it seems like every time we go back and forth from the present. There's a Completely identical thing. It's very weird how there seems to be like constants. Yeah, like just like there's some little Relic between yeah, yeah, the wheel of time is unending. I don't understand how that works I was waiting for him to bring up a mountain lion and then I was gonna jump out my window I totally thought he was gonna bring up that I was waiting for him to bring up if you brought up a mountain lion I'd be like this is a fucking simulation

So in this next clip we get to hear about some of Alex's literary loves hopefully I think you'll enjoy this Okay, there's no way I couldn't cut this clip out. I Absolutely hate fear Okay, I Desirous despise it fear is the mind killer does kill your intellect. It is the mind killer quote a great writer and I'd say philosopher Frank Herbert here is the mind killer here is the little death little petite more. Yes, that's the orgasm Hey from a philosophical standpoint he loves Frank Herbert anytime Dune comes up. Hey, who does it? We're sponsored by

Always gotta point out whatever Alex brings up Frank Herbert and do yeah Amazing novels leave the Brian Herbert sequels alone fair enough. Let them go fair enough So this clip in the same way that that last one for you as a Dune lover That really you know that was for you. Thank you. This one is for me Here's what I want to explain to you and we covered a lot in my film It's been out six years in-game blueprint for global enslavement Available on DVD at info wars.com but in higher quality is or in prison planet TV But it's free on YouTube folks, but don't have it be pearls before swine. Okay, go watch it. It has an online bibliography

What is the game dot com? What is the end game dot com so you can double check every every 30 seconds On the timecode with a bibliography a lot of things don't have the UN says they want to exterminate at least 80% of the public Where they state it's it's a US government policy the British Royal Commission on population anything we quote in the film It's right there. Even if it's George Herbert Walker Bush Coleman for world government New World Order Everybody knows he did that and we show the state of the Union. We still give the date where they said it and where we got it The date and Congress of the United States State of the Union I Mean everything documented. It's like an online film book online film book. It is not

I love the idea that he's fucking bragging about that bibliography He could not be bragging about the bibliography It makes me wonder if he's not aware of how poorly done it is like if he just gave like he doesn't know He just assumes it's good and they just turned in shitty homework. Yeah, he wasn't paying attention Yeah, that sounds really plausible years on now He's just never checked in and just assumes it. Yeah, they I told Joe Biggs to go do it He did it or whatever I told Rob do fucking get the bibliography together and because Rob do can't right with a lot of these things

It's just like and you don't want to have to go back to Alex and be like hey This is true Because these quotes are made up Hey Alex in the bibliography, I can't just put a meme. Yeah Can't put something you found on a Patriot message board years ago How many direct quotes were made up in that? I can't even remember. I think it was almost like eight of 12 or something like that might be high. It was a high batting average It was it was a large percentage of them, but I don't know what the gross number was although I do on our wiki

I do have a running tally of his just completely made up quotes So it's it's there to be found. I love it. Um, so yeah, I just always always love it when he brings up that bibliography It's terrifyingly plausible that he just has no idea. Yeah, I consider that. Yeah, he has terrible employees Yeah, so I think that if he delegates anything he probably assumes it's done and it's done terribly, right? So I think there's probably endemic in his operation. Yeah, and it's almost a feature not a bug. Yeah. Yeah, it's protective Yeah, yeah, yeah, so Alex in this next clip talks about Bill Gates. He gave a speech at a Ted talk and I and you might you might start to notice a little bit of a trend At the beginning of this Alex was getting a little bit religious. Yeah, he's talking about, you know, no God

But King God, yeah, King God And then he started he got into the the bibliography for endgame and he starts Weaving kind of a lot of endgame-ish topics in here and now he's getting into technology Well, no because this is this is Bill Gates talking about extermination Oh Bill Gates gave a turn up. He gave a Ted talk that Alex is going to misrepresent naturally next clip where he discusses Alex thinks he's talking about destroying all humans and Right, we'll discuss it on the other end of this like bender

And they go to Ted TV events and they have you know, the the intelligentsia there the technocrats there the mid-level technocrats And they say yeah, we're gonna reduce this number and show an equation of humans With carbon dioxide and show it going to zero which means zero humans everybody laughs and And Bill Gates laughs see it's all a laugh because that's gang sign. It's like they speak another language It's an equation very simple equation, but they know people watching that. How are they even gonna know an equation? They don't know what the three branches of government are they show an equation that they're going to kill us and actually says We've got to get this number down to zero Using vaccines to lower their population. He even says it shows the equation and then they all laugh

Yeah It's funny to them see because they're not really trying to save the planet That's how they get the low-level people into this. They're a bunch of inbred psychopaths sadist up top And you read the 1949 royal commission on population That's the blueprint of all the modern stuff we followed earlick the UN 21 UNESCO all of it so For a long time I thought that what Alex was doing there because I've heard that sort of thing. Oh, yeah, they're all laughing at yeah

Yeah, I thought that Alex was misrepresenting Bill Gates his speech like in a way that like Bill Gates made a dumb joke and Alex said that he was being serious Like I thought that Bill Gates the way I remembered it was that Bill Gates had made a joke about that equation And then like this number Population could be zero and that would slide right right right a dumb joke But I went back and rewatched that Ted talk and honestly this isn't even a joke It's just the audience laughing at a poorly set up slide show. That's all that's going on Oh, they were laughing at him not with him at him at slide show

Okay, so Bill Gates introduces his premise that in order to stop the disaster Disasterous effects of climate change. We need to get carbon emissions down to as close to zero as we can He then brings up his equation where carbon emissions equals people times number of services times efficiency of services times CO2 produced per unit of energy After this equation he goes into each variable one by one and says that for the equation to equal zero One of the variables is going to have to get pretty close to zero In the meantime the slide show has moved on to his slide for the variable of people So it shows a bunch of people on the screen

Oh, so everybody is saying that one of the variables has to get down to zero the next one is people and everybody's like Yeah, they're seeing that and there's a visual joke, but it doesn't appear that Bill Gates even realizes the slide has changed Or if he does he doesn't seem to understand why people are laughing. Yeah, that actually does that sounds right on both counts I believe that he does not understand why people laugh. Yeah, he explicitly says that the population is going up And then if we provide appropriate health care, we can slow the rate of that rise a little bit But he's definitely not saying that this variable should go down to zero or even go down a lot His entire argument is about how the efficiency and the CO2 per unit of energy are the two variables where we actually have a chance of Making a difference this speech is very clear if you listen to all of it that it has nothing to do with calling the population with

Vaccines or any of that bullshit has everything to do with creating I mean if you look at the equation, you can't really argue with it Yeah, I mean like the people time services times efficiency times CO2 per unit like that does make sense that if you want What all those add up to to be close to zero right one of those things needs to be close to zero or we need to drop all of them Right or they will all be dropped for us right and it and it does make and if everything is dropped for us Then the P is going down. Yeah, that one's gonna be the one that's closest to zero if you resist changing the other Variables that you may have a possibility of being able to change nature will change it for you So in many ways Bill Gates giving that speeches explicitly against depopulation. Yeah, which is an irony. Yes. Yeah

Yeah, that is fun. Yeah, the reality of the situation is the result of the reality of Alex Jones stopping Us from changing anything in that equation by creating propaganda for it It is so in a certain sense Alex is bringing about the very apocalypse that he is he's a depopulation agent. Yeah. Yeah Hmm. So also at the end there. He brings up the 1949 Royal Commission on Population Yeah, I am very excited to announce something to you. Okay, and that is that I figured out how Alex Jones knows the word actuaries All the time yeah in a context that don't appear to really make a ton of sense Yeah, and it's because that report the 1949 report of the Royal Commission on Population was conducted by an actuary

Ah, there we are the 1949 result was the result of the report was the result of a five-year study on population There's a concern about confirming the conventional Accepted conclusion that 2.33 repeating two and a third children were required for each couple to maintain a stable population And this was one of the many primary questions that the Commission set out to answer What they found more or less boiled down to it being that the quote the size of the family has remained comparatively stable for 20 years at about 2.2 children per married couple and that this rate was 6% deficient for population replacement the report calls itself out however for not being able to predict what trends might be seen in the future from lowering ages of marriages which was a trend that it was beginning to happen around this time as well as a

Decreased infant mortality rate so that 6% deficient thing in terms of replacement That might not even been accurate even by their own estimate an Analysis of the report which was done two years after its release mirrors this concern and explicitly lays out how two years more data has made the 1949 effort effectively outdated the analysis goes on to say quote It will of course be argued that two years from now any new projections will be equally out of date That is no doubt true enough, but skepticism should not be allowed to stifle all Korea curiosity So there's there's a built-in thing even of these reports that is like there's trends that are happening That make this an incomplete picture. Yeah, but it's worth doing anyway

To know if our future analyses mean anything, right? Let's see how wrong we are and why now and then later on we'll analyze that and we won't do that stuff Yeah, one of the chief findings of the report was that fertility rates decreasing at whatever rates They were decreasing wasn't the result of people being less fertile It was the result of people having a choice about having kids for the first time in pretty much ever Though oral contraception would not be approved by the FPA until 1961 by 1946 family planning centers had set up clinics and were advising people in Britain about contraception techniques On one level I suspect Alex probably only knows about this report at all because it was one of the first in Britain to recommend the birth control

Should be made available through health services, which drew the severe ire of the religious community surprise in what in an hour They're great in an article in the Catholic Herald It was decried that quote there is not a spark of religion about it It is purely pagan and a dreadful example of the way in which the mind of England has gone pagan if we give women an inch They will take over our lives Make sure every decision they have is under our control Yeah, the more conservative forces in British society went out of their way to attack this report primarily for that reason It stands to reason given that this is a ground-breaking report in terms of openly discussing family planning that maybe that's what all Alex is responding to I

Sincerely wish that I could say with certainty what Alex is talking about when he talks about the 1949 Royal Commission on Population But it's pretty hard to find context clues He just says this report is at the root of everything within Mysteriously if you search info wars and prison planet the entire websites if you search them for any sort of variation of the words 1949 Royal Commission report and population Literally nothing comes up that can't be real They have had these websites forever and they have never saw fit to write What is the point of completing about this report? That's crazy. Yeah, it's weird

I wonder if Alex maybe just like fell down drunk on Front of a library and somebody was walking out with that commission and somehow it's just seared on the back of his brain And so that's just what he referenced I strongly suspect that what it is is he's heard other people in these Patriot right-wing communities complain about it. Yeah, maybe on message boards and and Newsletters that he would read These paranoid John Birch society adjacent Yeah, newsletters that would go out in the early days in the pre-internet days even they would make reference to it or W

Cleon Scousen might have brought it up and one of his writings that Alex loves Well, yeah, but the Scousen's main problem was with the font It was Wingdings, which is a mistake Very clear that was a mistake. They wish they could go back in time But so I think that it's possible that he's heard about it second hand from somebody else who was pissed off about it because of the birth control Advocacy in it and the cycle of stupidity Right and the cats and the cradle and the silver spoon and we go So if you want to talk about it from a perspective of like I'm against this because it advocated for

People being allowed contraception, right great do that, but yeah recognize we're going to treat you like that Yeah, we're going to treat you like that's your argument I think he just doesn't want people to know that that's his argument. It seems like that's the only thing it could possibly be Yeah, it's very confusing to me. I went down this road and I can't quite figure out what he's What he means and I just think he's full of shit. I I do strongly suspect that it is just about contraception Yeah, I think that he is either Like of his own volition or based on something he read somewhere else It all traces back to just the

Resistance to the idea of the freedom that is offered by having a choice in giving birth. Yeah but Alex is talking here about This is this is wild to me because he's still sort of talking About He's talking about the globalists, of course, right? Well, yes This is directly contradictory to something he generally says about globalists Plus the only wealth you have is being really poor is children. By the way, it is the real wealth But the point is is that the globalists all know they've all got five six seven eight nine ten kids

They all know what he's don't they have zero kids and they eat they eat They said that they can't have kids He said that they want to destroy the world and you can tell because they don't have children, right? Well, that was that was in 20 he says that now in 2019 in 2013 the globalists all had five or six kids It's just been because they've been eating so many of them You know you run out of adrenaline I guess you start looking down and all of a sudden you don't have any kids Don't get high on your own supply. Exactly So yeah, I don't know a lot of this stuff though is and and I didn't cut out a lot of clips that would have just been us

Going back over endgame stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it was just a ton of stuff That's like a lot of this feels like he just watched endgame last night and it was like I could see him Rubbing one out to his own movie right before he goes to bed brain brain rub out gonna be honest Yeah, and so we had this kind of religious trend going on and then you also had this endgame trend And I think it comes together in this next clip It's very strange to me when I told you at the beginning this episode that like I felt very untethered It's because of this vibe. I think that this clip really well embodies

The that's sort of what he's bringing to the table and it made me deeply unsettled You're not let in to the club Unless you're for this that's why Pionka remember this famously five years ago gave a speech to the Texas Academy of Sciences He got their highest award. He's gotten global awards into Europe And he said I look forward to the airborne Ebola being released 90% of his dying including my family It's sad, but it's for the better and there was a standing three-minute Ovation photos were taken newspapers reported with crying Oh

Even my family's gonna die and everyone was so moved by it He was yes all the top Texas Academy of Sciences people I talked to the reporters that were there They were taking photos and covered it and they estimated 90% stood in the ovation and it went on for three minutes as he projected on the PowerPoint a giant screen of pile of red skulls Red skulls. We actually went and did a Google search later of that photo Marble Rwandan pile of skulls You get to the image search giant red pile of skulls and they're in their church. They're in their church standing ovation

Standing ovation standing ovation It's their church. It's their time to cry. It's their time to have a sacrament It's their time to take the blood of Satan not the blood of Jesus. It's their time to take communion. It's their time It's their time. It's their time their time So oh, yeah, I was very close to leaving that clip out of this episode And just kind of trying to find the new points to touch on because we talked about Eric Pianco when Alex brought him up in endgame So we discussed him a little bit

But ultimately I felt that that clip really represented this energy that Alex has on this show and it's super weird His manner is entirely different than previous episodes in 2013 that we've been going over He has the air of a preacher to him more than he normally does the repetition of it's their time Yeah, the other repetition at the end of that clip. Yeah, Baptist their church. Yeah, yeah, very much like an evangelical Pastor right. It's made me feel very unsettled Simultaneously, he's doing a shitload of rehashing endgame narratives as if like we've already said he watched at the night before and was reminded What he was supposed to be doing. I'm so great. Well, it just reminds me like oh, this is what I meant to do And I got distracted five years ago. Oh, yeah, shit

Sorry guys. Let me get back on. All right. My bad. My bad. Obama came along and I got kind of what was this? Sandy Hook what was this whole Sandy Hook thing? Let's move on. It's 2013 yet He's doing content straight out of 2008 literally the day before this episode He was telling fake stories about grunting park rangers and helping Ted Anderson talk shit about other gold sellers And yet here he is today doing a preacher impression literally nothing feels right about this episode and it makes me feel really fucked up I don't know what to do with it and we'll see how it ends up playing out But since we took the time to take this clip And discuss it I feel it's my obligation to go a little deeper into how Alex is completely lying about dr. Eric Pianca

Pianca is one of Alex's favorite go-to examples of members of the intelligentsia who are openly in favor of depopulation and the globalist plan interestingly in pretty much all the time of listening to Alex's show the only thing he ever brings up about Pianca is this one speech Where people gave him a standing ovation for rooting for airborne Ebola? Yeah Interestingly when you take a closer look at what Alex is referencing it becomes clear that Alex just saw a headline about Pianca on the drudge report in 2006 and he's been riffing on it ever since Back in April 2006 Eric Pianca was giving a speech at the Texas Academy of Sciences It was a speech that he delivered many times before called the vanishing book of life Dr. Pianca is an evolutionary ecologist by trade and as such the speech was about the catastrophe that was looming in the ecosystem

A catastrophe that we have willed into existence through inaction Does he write a new speech every year because you can't really tour on the same hour? Over and over and over again your fans are gonna. I'm not entirely sure how long he'd been doing these bits But I know that he had been giving the speech before this without incident All right, but on that April day there happened to be an asshole in the crowd Unless asshole was named forest mims of course an asshole is named forest man. He didn't have a chance He's not have a chance. He's not not to be confused with the rapper mims who did that song. This is why I'm hot poor bastard Yeah, he was named forest mims so forest mims is an amateur scientist and a skeptic of climate change

And thus I am comfortable saying he's not a scientist Of course that doesn't stop him from being a professor of earth sciences at the University of Nations in Kona, Hawaii That might mean something but unfortunately the University of Nations is an unaccredited Christian college whose CFO Pablo Rivera was sentenced to a prison last year for embezzling $3.1 million from the school He created fake invoices to steal the money and raise student fees to make up the money that the for what the school was spending One of the things he allegedly bought with the money was a gold mine in Sierra Leone So that dude was real cool. Wow. Wow. That's

That's that's like ticking all of the all of the boxes of a evil evangelical dude Just like boom boom boom gold mine in Sierra Leone. Of course. I'm gonna buy that I've already reached the state of Monster hood where there's no recourse for me in hell Well, there's actually one box left to check off and that is that the DOJ also charged him with obstruction of justice for attempting to hide diamonds Were they his diamonds at least well, you bought them with the money you stole from the school, so No, I don't know possession nine-tenths of the law. Sure. Anyway, that's the school that this guy teaches at Yeah, that's your CFO. He's so he's a skeptic. Their house is not in order is what I would say

It's kind of amazing that the guys who describe themselves as skeptics are the ones most often taken in by these kind of Climate change skeptic. Exactly the actual like general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah in 1988 Mims alleged that the Scientific American wouldn't hire him as an editor because of his creationist views This in combination with his disbelief in climate change brings into sharp focus Why he did what he did to dr. Eric Pionka and it's an expression of Mims being an asshole Forest Mims was there for the speech and he took it upon himself to write an article on his website That was covered by the local paper the Seguin Gazette Enterprise. I believe it was just him I would say in prose

Crying and shitting his pants like a baby. No, no, I don't think they had art on the article. Okay, this article the local paper Whitewashing a sensationalized report of Pionka speech was then picked up by the drudge report and immediately a right-wing attack commenced But then as people started to analyze the quotes provided to the Gazette Enterprise and compared them to a transcript of Pionka speech Things didn't add up the quotes were taken entirely out of context and often from different parts of the speech People who were there came forward and called Mims assessment a quote dishonest mischaracterization and said quote dr. Pionka in no way advocated billions of deaths from Ebola or said anything that would lead a Reasonable person to think he was doing so. I've read the speech and I 100% concur with this I find it very hard to believe that someone could reach the conclusions that Mims did without doing so intentionally

Oh good. Well, that's settled and I assumed that the right wing would never ever use that as an attack Oh, you're not giving me a smile on that. No, that doesn't sound good I think if you look at the available information it becomes pretty clear that Mims was likely offended by Pionka's tone And how he doesn't care for creationist and climate denial positions in his speech Pionka said quote the biggest enemy We face is anthropocentrism This this is a common human attitude that everything on earth was put there for our use to be used any way We want which is a direct opposition to the Bible if taken literally which we know creationists generally do it seems It behooves them to if they don't mm-hmm as Pionka points out in a response to the fake controversy

Mims is a fellow of the Discovery Institute, which exists specifically to quote make intelligent design the dominant perspective in science One way you can work toward that goal is to smear a prominent evolutionary ecologist as an advocate of human extermination In the fallout Pionka received tons of death threats and someone even reported him to homeland security as a bioterrorist This harassment campaign got seriously out of hand and when you take a closer look It's absolutely based on a willful misrepresentation of his speech The closest thing that you can come to him saying something that is close to this is in the quote He in the speech He does say something along the lines of the world will be better off if there were 10 to 20 percent of us

Yeah, after whatever bottleneck right right, which isn't to say that he wishes that upon people or that he wants the world to die Just that the natural ecological systems will will reboot better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So I don't know. I think anything is just a willful mischaracterization I think it's a dirty shame and this is the only thing that Alex knows is the smear against this guy The right wing is so good at that They're so good at taking some small dumb innocuous lie from some idiot in the middle of fuck nowhere and Turning it into the fucking Obama's tan suit. Like how do you how are they so good? There is a UT professor. No, no, no not him the forest pimps, dude

Oh, yeah, but I mean he was also like because it is he he's someone who's actually kind of interesting because it appears that he does Know a good bit and his self-taught in like electrical engineering and electrical sciences. Cool Yeah, and so stay away from actual or from other sciences No, I agree But because of that he had a position within the Texas Academy of Sciences like okay, you know So he was there in some auspices that are appropriate, right? It's it's one of those interesting things like he's he got out of his lane and his creationist Climate-denialy positions. I think led him to take great offense, right?

It's like a veterinarian selling pills and we all know that that would never happen, right? That's an interesting Also, one other thing that's really important to remember is that Alex is completely lying about researching the slide show in that Transcript of his speech that I mentioned Pianca includes his graphics the slide that Alex is talking about But he said there are a bunch of Rwandan skulls. It's six cartoon skulls next to a cartoon of Skeletor It's in a part of the speech where he's talking about trying to find images to go along with his speech And it's clearly a joke Alex would know that if he looked into it at all But he would know exactly what he knows if he'd only read the account from mims that was reposted on Drudge

Which says quote Pianca then displayed a slide show with rows of human skulls One of which had red lights flashing from its eye sockets that one with red lights flashing was Skeletor from He-Man That is the most annoying Thing that I have heard since our last goddamn episode Dan It's crazy. You're your whole goal now is just to vex me with dumb reality. I'm not stupid I'm not trying to vex you. I'm trying to highlight I'm trying to highlight these instances where Alex is like we looked into it

We searched the image that he used in its Rwandan skulls like if you searched for the images you would have found He-Man Yeah, that's the thing it turns out to be Skeletor this fucking idiot wrote that it was it was a row of human skulls and with one That was no I get what he's writing. Yeah, I get what he's doing. He's that's bullshit. He's misrepresenting it But it is a fair description Yeah, devoid of He-Man. Yeah, I get it. I get it. It's on it's unfair But technically accurate it was a row of human skulls and what I'd like that's bullshit That's bullshit, but one of them can't be Skeletor if you want me to take you serious lying by omission Yeah, I'm glad he did because it's so highlights how little work Alex does about anything

Yeah, like if you want to check into what are these human skulls like well? Yeah, that makes it very very easy to point out lies about his process Yeah, it's lies about the work that he does Because he needs to so we get off this and and like I said that That religious vibe that Preachery vibe. Yeah is going through and the end game content is going through We're under the tent. I don't know why entirely But Alex gets to a news story

So it's not from 2008 This one's more current although you're making him hold up newspapers now in all of these investigations Yeah, just to confirm when the date is this one's this one's current, but it is it feels the same as ever To a veteran who's involved running a program raising money for other veterans One big awards in the community people are like he's a veteran. He wins awards. Why is the sheriff's department? Why are why is the grand jury throwing the book at him? You're the enemy You're a robot that's now to be decommissioned you've gone out and fought for the new world order and shot up with the deadly vaccines

And they're not killing you fast enough the DU isn't killing you fast enough. You're supposed to come back here Won't you come back or go to prison you're the number one enemy you're what homeland security is targeting I've got all these articles where vets are getting targeted. It's like it's weird. They're pulling vets over the cops Just say they're pulling me over for no reason they've got your license plate scanned. You're in a database It's telling them in many of these major cities to pull you over See now, it's not just warrants or priors with these scanners. It's now vet That's a vet pull him over and they know when they're vets they walk over so you're a vet got back from Iraq last year get out of the car So he's talking about a specific veteran who got arrested

He's saying for a possession of a weapon And then generalizing it to like they are going to pull over anyone who's a vet they're coming after all of you right Just a desperate plea just to be like you join us get on our side. Yeah, they all hate you They want to jam you up and you know what we're gonna do We're gonna find all of the homeless veterans because we care so much about veterans and we will help them Wait, what are you saying? Oh, no, no, no, you care about veterans, right? That's what gotta go to commercial Oh, okay shit So the story that he's talking about though the specific case is about a guy named Nathan Haddad

Veteran who was arrested after he was found to be in possession of illegal weapons accessories in Specific he had 30 round magazines for an AR 15 and AR 7 which is really illegal in New York as it turns out This may not have been a case of overzealous cops just pulling over any vet They can find a jamming them up. It was likely the result of a sting operation One of the things that makes me think that is that the in the article about his arrest It clearly states that he was parked during the arrest It doesn't seem like how you would describe someone at a checkpoint Also, the article says that he was parked because he had quote

Advertised the magazines for sale on Craigslist and was waiting to meet a potential buyer Okay, so you're you're thinking the cops may have found that Craigslist. Yeah, maybe you think that would be a hunch All right, so that is Really bad planning whenever you're trying to commit a an illegal sale of goods Mm-hmm. You don't want to you don't want to advertise it a lot of people do that on Craigslist. That's fair Never mind. This is a basic piece of primary reporting that all the conservative press seem to gloss over They all say that he was arrested for possessing the magazines which he could have been but he wasn't he was arrested for trying to sell them Which they don't want to bring up because it hurts their basic argument of these magazines are safe and good in the hands

Of an upstanding veteran right because who knows who he was trying to sell them to yeah They're very good in the hands of a veteran. They're really bad the moment he hands them over in exchange for money So like they these magazines are specifically for military use only so obviously sneakily traffic trafficking in them isn't a good thing Either way, it doesn't matter because Haddad just got a slap on the wrist with a conditional discharge He had to pay a $200 fine but considering that he became a cause celeb of the right-wing militia Patriot world He raised over $50,000 in online campaigns. It's very likely. He made a profit off the whole thing He only had to pay a $200 fine for selling items Destined for mass murder. They're not necessarily destined for mass murder, but potentially right

I don't know that yeah, that's that's all I could find in the the article about the disposition of the case I don't know entirely if you like reoffended because that conditional discharge is basically like a Suspended sentence kind of thing where it's like if you get arrested again, we can recharge you Okay, but if you stay clean for a certain amount of time then you just have this fine cool, and I don't know I Don't know how I feel about it. I think it's probably not maybe a little bit of a harsher penalty, but whatever Yeah, I don't know. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna relitigate Local cases from 2013. I think it's time. We do but I can if we're not going to Dan who will someone else Okay, fair Alex. Well, okay. I can definitely say that what Alex is doing with it is wrong

I don't I don't know about the courts. Who cares? Yeah, so Alex does have a guest Okay, so he actually has two and I've been sort of lying to you when I listen to this episode Alex's vibe of the religiosity and endgame stuff really confused me And as the show went on it started to make sense This first guest makes fairly clear why he's endgame in it Why he's getting back to endgame because this guest is somebody who is an expert in endgame type Narratives the Russo brothers. No her sevenths. No, her name is Rosa Corey and she wrote a book called behind the green mask agenda 21

She's an agenda 21 get her get her on the show now Uh-huh, so she's on and they just talk about agenda 21 and how it's gonna be. It's a globalist takeover plan It is it's a lot of vague riffing And so I I isolated this clip because I think it's one of the most specific things that Corey says and I think if you listen to this You can see what they're trying to attack when they attack Accu like they make accusations of agenda 21 Do you need to show up and occupy those government meetings and talk about agenda 21 sustainable development?

Let them know that you know what it is those three pillars of agenda 21 are economy Ecology and social equity and when you see that together You want to break that down and you want to advise your elected officials that you are going to take them out If they don't drop this so the argument is essentially like This so agenda 21 is the UN and then there's all these local bodies that are under the auspices Doing the bidding of the UN why not pretending to be local forces But the UN's plan is ecology economy and social equity I think they might not like the social equity part, but anytime you see a local body that is working and those

Things are involved ecology economy and equity any time you have a local thing Aha agenda 21 is afoot. Yeah, and so you have to fight back against anything that involves the intersection of Economy ecology and social equity and if you do that, what are you doing? Not good stuff. No, no, okay, so let's try and find a situation Automatic way to attack things that you're against all right I propose to this council that we limit the ability of coca-cola to put pollution into Our rivers drinking water. Yeah. Yeah. We don't want that anymore. Well, that's an intersection. We have any economy ecology and equity Oh, okay. Well, then I guess we can't do it cuz I don't know what

That's a perfect way to encapsulate it. That's that is the utility of this sort of argument Uh-huh, and that's what she's bringing to the table. So he's so she's great He spent Alex spends a lot of time on this episode talking shit about agenda 21 with this guest Rosa Corey She's of a group called the Democrats against you and agenda 21 for a Democrat She seems to hang out with a lot of right-wing dumb-dumbs seeing as a bulk of her media appearances that I can find her on Alex's show hanging out with Glenn Beck and of course appearing on the overtly white nationalist show right red ice radio There are particular complaints about agenda 21 Alex's and Rosa's are pretty boring So instead of listening to them ramble about how it's the government's plan to take over everybody

I want to tell you a little bit about what you need to know about agenda 21 First things first we've discussed this a matter of a number of times in the past But agenda 21 it was an entirely non binding plan that was the result of a conference called the Earth Summit held in Rio Digenero between June 3rd and 14th 1992 would have been funnier if they held it on the moon. It would have yeah, certainly Agreed Implementation of all or just parts of the suggested sustainability measures discussed in the reporter entirely up to the each Individual UN member state. There's no expectation the countries have to do anything based on this report

That is a crucially important thing to understand about this document And another thing that's crucially important is it was never a secret. It was made public during its 1992 conference, right? Insecretly though in December 1991 The Soviet Union dissolved and thus the state of affairs in the world were markedly different heading into 1992 The Cold War had ended and there was a sense of hope surrounding the future being characterized by global cooperation those poor dumb bastards Simultaneously the world was still dealing with the fallout from the energy crises of the 1970s Which illustrated clearly that we had a serious problem with energy consumption and that problem was going to be made worse if developing Parts of the world followed the same strategies that just as an example the United States had

The sense was that it would be unacceptable to say something like these countries aren't allowed to develop or create industries of their own But at the same time a new awareness existed that if they did it with the same technologies that we used The pollution and overall damage to the environment would be a catastrophe. Nope. Obama said that Africans can't have fridges This was not an issue that could be solved with unilateral decision-making. It required everyone working together a Balance of interests was needed and sustainable development became a topic of a lot of interest in the late 80s and early 90s Alternatives to fossil fuels became more widely considered and recycling got a nice push in the public consciousness It's in this setting that the earth summit was held an agenda 21 was written It's just a plan that the UN was encouraging smaller governmental bodies to use to help them create their own

Sustainability plans there were suggestions and little bits of help Alex and his ilk only think of this is some kind of evil satanic thing because it treats private property rights as something that needs to be balanced with environmental issues rural development issues and the concerns of indigenous peoples as opposed to how Alex sees property rights As the most important thing other than guns. This is one of the big reasons That Alex has this problem people who have property sure do seem to like it. Yeah, it's a it's I You know since I've never had property. I'm always interested to know what I would be like if I did like I don't even own more than I don't even own two pairs of shoes. I don't have property. No, that's you're not even getting into the shoe rights Yeah, yeah, I should get some more shoes. So this concern about the sort of

secondary nature or at least Conditional aspect of private property rights is a very big part of Alex's problem with the agenda 21 proposals And then also the opposition involves anything they're opposed to anything that involves climate change So those sorts of things explain why agenda 21 activists are generally on the hard right and many are associated with groups Like American Policy Center the Heritage Foundation John Birch Society and the Eagle Forum But that doesn't explain why Rosa Corey ostensibly a Democrat is also opposed to agenda 21 She's good friends with Joe Manchin. I don't think that's it Private property rights and the paranoia surrounding them are generally the exclusive territory of the right. So it found this very confusing

Well, there's one other group that's super into property rights You know serial killers, you know what Corey's career was before she became a public champion for agenda 21 fighting She was an attorney for super rich people. It's close She was a quote commercial real estate appraiser specializing in eminent domain acquisitions Okay, she was in the business of using eminent domain to take land for private use by commercial interest, right? Which is in direct opposition to government's parceling lands for public use, which is an element of sustainable development In one public works case that she was involved in she said quote I was able to put together the players and what was influencing restrictions on land and energy use

It was related directly to agenda 21 sustainable development. So she'd cracked the case I wonder if the If she is receiving any further funding from people who also may have the same interests I'm not entirely sure I couldn't find any strong indications of that So I would be remiss and trying to make that indication. I just I then I shall continue to wonder. Yeah But she'd solved the mystery she cracked the nut, you know, she figured out all the players 21 so she began working to solve the problem It seems mostly she did that by creating deceptively named organizations made to look like legitimate neighborhood groups

But we're probably just her she's literally a Russian troll. Yeah, there's some similarities Yeah, she started the Santa Rosa neighborhood coalition to begin agitating which is definitely not the same thing as the very real Santa Rosa Neighborhood Alliance whose chairman said he believed that Rosa's group consisted entirely of quote just her And K K being Rosa's partner who is a general contractor. Oh, okay So it's a property. So, okay, okay. I'm seeing I'm seeing some Coincidentally aligned interests Rosa and Kay filed a frivolous lawsuit against the Santa Rosa gateways redevelopment district Which caused the taxpayers tons of money and delayed the plan for three years But ultimately achieved nothing

Other than that her strategy is seemed to be just to show up at local government planning meetings and disrupt them by screaming conspiracy theories That is intentional as Corey has said quote these public meetings are truly designed to stop people from having an opportunity for input There are times when the only way to block a thing is to really shut down a meeting. I Really wish she hadn't gone pro with With being a lunatic asshole like I feel like if she'd stayed amateur, that's a pretty fun hobby I don't know. I think it's you know, some council meetings should be stopped by somebody walking in and screaming Conspiracy theories, but not all of that. I think anybody who's involved in local meetings probably doesn't agree with you privilege of not being there

Probably informs your opinion does that may have something to do with that Yeah, Corey is an embodiment of how these conspiracies are destructive in real life settings Opposition to anything that involves climate change and doesn't deify Private property rights will become a target of coordinated right-wing attack as happened in the case of agenda 21 Conspiracy theories grow up around the plan that are wide-ranging enough that anything could be agenda 21 Is your city putting in a new park agenda 21 is your city trying to put bike lanes in or less polluting public transit agenda? 21 once the framework of the conspiracy is accepted anything can be made to fit It anything could be a piece of it you saying that is part of agenda 21 probably

But even these people know they're talking bullshit their arguments don't make sense outside of info wars So they know that the only thing they can do is scream at a city council meeting about how the UN is behind their cities proposed Recycling program, but it's agenda 21 that convinces them to do so sure. It's all agenda 21 Dan in Baldwin County, Alabama On November 6th 2012 all nine members of the Planning and Zoning Commission resigned in unison in protest When their comprehensive development plan was killed it wasn't killed over budgetary concerns or anything like that It was the result of tons of people accusing their plan of being too close to agenda 21 and protesting their meeting with conspiracy theory bullshit The county needed a development plan too because between 1990 and 2000 they saw an increase in population of 42.9% and quote subdivisions were popping up everywhere with little consideration given to how many projects would fit with each other at the

environment and the future These nine citizens tried to come up with a plan to help fix that problem and they were shouted down as UN conspirators trying to bring in tyranny These people are The worst yeah, exactly. How do we coexist with? Like it there's got to be a way for us to Like they can you can still have your agenda 21 fears, but we're not allowing you to influence actual policy ever again Like how do we do that? Do we just like? Dismantle Fox News. No, I don't think so. I think what you I mean, I don't know

I'm obviously wrong, but my answer always just comes back to greater education. That's I mean, that's the only thing I can come Right, right, right, right. So anyway in this next clip I would say that Corey the reason that I am stumbling a bit is because her last name is spelled K. O. I RE And I keep forgetting how to pronounce it as I look at it. Yeah, I want to say Corey Every time Coyer Coyer So she's she's expressing in this clip someone that Alex expresses a lot and it's Real fallacious way of thinking it's this sort of idea that like people are attacking me. Therefore, I'm right

That does sound right and that is a dangerous dangerous mentality. I don't see how You know what we do have them on the run when you start seeing this, you know, they're vilifying me in the press That's when I know I'm winning when they're actually out there talking about this and they're saying oh that agenda 21 That's a good thing when they wouldn't even admit that it existed for 20 years You know, then you know, you're winning again It wasn't a secret like it wasn't no one denied that it exists. They denied your interpretation of it Ah, and still do you and I will got you. But yeah, that that mentality is so fucking dangerous That idea of like I'm getting criticism and that means I'm right

It's like now you could just be getting criticism because you're terrible. Yeah, that's a possibility You can get criticism if you're right or if you're wrong You could be getting criticism because you're creating fake groups of concerned citizens and trying to bully City councils now sure people say creating fake groups and lying to people and Disrupting council meetings people say those are bad and that's how I know they're good So Corey I believe is probably the reason Alex is In his head endgame headspace Yeah

I think there's even a possibility that he rewatched endgame in order to prepare for her being there because he forgot what agenda 21 is It would make sense that instead of doing his homework on the Guest he does his homework on himself to remember what it is. He's I don't want to read her book Yeah, exactly. I'll just I'll just watch endgame and assume she said the same stuff I did also Alex is trying to sell his Info wars magazine and he keeps calling it a pamphlet Something right. Yeah So that's kind of why I think he's in the endgame headspace and then he has another guest that comes in that starts to give an

Understanding of why he's in the religious headspace and why he's really into talking about post-trib rapture. Mr. T They don't show up exactly yet, but this is sort of inter Intro to their intro, let's say so understand if you want to know why we got in this position Where the government now runs the churches it violates the First Amendment in common sense this country was founded on It's because the leadership got bought off by the World Council of Churches the National Council of Churches the same Rockefeller groups Go look it up and so from an anthropologist or sociologist view you need to see after the tribulation because the Bible clearly states the tribulation comes after The the the devil wages war on the saints and overcomes them and chops off their heads by the millions and all of this

I'm not particularly interested in talking about what the Bible does or doesn't say because I feel like that's just gonna we're gonna descend into a Pit this is about the anthropology Lessons that can be learned after what the Bible says. He's also not recommending people read the Bible. He's saying watch this documentary Yeah, so that was a good documentary. So we've got the We have the person who made this documentary as Alex's guest and here we go This is the real deal ladies and gentlemen Okay, we'll make me hate Christians and I hate gun owners because they know we understand what's going on That's the litmus test that we know they're authoritarians now

He's with us for this hour and a little bit into the next hour After the tribulation a film that they even did an infill war style trailer Hmm without us even saying it so I went ahead and tagged on my own promo on to it It's up at info wars.com right now Everyone needs to buy this at infowarstore.com and go give it to their pastor their preachers and others and again Pastor Steve Anderson is famously a hundred mile in checkpoints. He's been beat up for asking questions We'll play some of that later. He's the guy that said, you know, he prays for Obama You know to be brought down which is biblical got demonized for that

So it's Steve Anderson the aggressively homophobic preacher. We did an episode about him in the past Yeah, so we don't need to go over too much of his history, but I was interested because I didn't remember him Doing some biblical praying for Obama to be brought down. Alex is describing that as really innocuous Yeah, well you some people just pray for the president to be quote brought down But I think you hear Pat Robertson or Jim Baker do that every day Yeah, I think I think you do and I think they probably do it in a way that you could describe as like I don't like it, but you're not you're not you're not doing what Steve Anderson did Well when Pat Robertson started praying for some Second Amendment people to take care of Obama

That was a little bit too far, right? We would never allow that kind of behavior. Well, here's what Steve Anderson did Yeah, in 2009 the day before Obama was scheduled to make an appearance in Phoenix Anderson gave a sermon that included clear Exclamations that he hated Obama and he felt that Obama could not be saved. So praying for him was pointless Well, then he loves the Bible. That's something that the Bible regularly talks about is yeah quote I'm not going to pray for his good I'm gonna pray that he dies and goes to hell when I go to bed tonight. That's how I'm gonna pray The next day at Obama's speech a man named Christopher Broughton showed up with a loaded ar-15

To Obama's speech, which ultimately was probably more of a PR stunt than anything else, but it's deeply fucked up There's so much more This is so much worse than a pastor praying to be free of a government figure He finds oppressive this is in praying for Obama's death from the pulpit Then one of the people who was in the congregation when he gave that speech Showing up at Obama's speech the next day with a loaded weapon the PR stunt is a threat in and of itself and everybody involved Understands that but that's exactly what they're trying to normalize and they were that's what they were doing and they did a good job of it Um, I mean good job is a weird way to put it, but yeah, well

So we did like I said, we did an episode on Steve Anderson ways back and he's that incredibly homophobic pastor who wants Gays to die God on our show Dan. You're gonna need more than that Well, he's the one who used to go on Alex's show, but now hates him We got a deep well of people to pull from there right a little fun update on Steve Anderson He was recently in the news after he became the first person ever to be banned from Ireland Good good for him. That was just on the heels of him getting banned from the Netherlands The last two Americans banned from the Netherlands were Richard Spencer and devout racist Jared Taylor, so he's in good company Yeah, yeah, yeah, these were just two of the 26 European countries that banned Steve Anderson in the span of a week

26 European countries did they did that also get voted on in the EU elections was there a general Referendum to ban Steve Anderson. I think they were all just places He had planned to visit on a tour and they're like no, no, thank you and those 26 European countries joined Jamaica South Africa The UK and Canada as countries where that piece of shit isn't welcome man. Why is he still allowed here? Can we we can get rid of him, right? We can remove his citizenship 32 countries have decided that Anderson and his hate preaching in his calls to kill gay people are not welcome within their borders Incidentally, you know who's still open welcomes him with open arms YouTube YouTube He still has a YouTube channel really and Twitter. He still has a Twitter account

What yeah, you can get banned from countries before you get banned from YouTube and Twitter crazy That seems nuts insane how little they care. I do not care. Yeah Wow So anyway to get views and retweets and clicks going anyway, here he is back on Alex's show Just fucking going for it talking about post-trib rapture Okay, as you go back to this this got pushed by the globalist about 150 years ago exactly because they were sick of Christians Always fighting evil. Exactly. Don't worry about it. Go have a go have some fun Scotty's up there. He's gonna beam you. So yeah, Scotty's got a little trouble. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry about it

so Pre-trib rapture globalist conspiracy theory about a bang about a boom that makes the least sense of anything I can possibly consider. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. That is that makes no sense from a Like from a strategy standpoint, it makes no sense from a a goal standpoint now So he gets a call the two of them. They start taking some calls Okay, and they get a call from a guy in Australia who wants to talk about Carol Quigley and the book tragedy and hope and You know

Whatever he just talks about a passage that I'm positive. We've talked about this before it's a passage that Alex is completely Misrepresenting this caller is misrepresenting Quigley is talking about historically the difference between Eras that are characterized by complex and simple weapons and when there are simple weapons with an ease of use for people like spears or Something along those lines. Yeah, then you have a situation where power is much more diffuse Because people are able to fight with each other. They have the weapons Get big groups together and have conflicts Whereas in more specialized times when you have I don't know drones

Something it becomes power can tend to become much more Concentrated Alex reads that and thinks well That means that they want to create specialized weapons in order to create consolidation and Authoritarian power right as opposed to it being a descriptive analysis of how history has tended to go Yeah, so anyway, I don't really care too much about that But Alex does point out that he and his buddies completely stole the intellectual property of Carol Quigley And then it turns into a sales pitch the now now the plates got out and

Patriot groups associated with the John Burt society and others printed tens of thousands of these up in the 70s and There were even threats of you know legal actions and things But the point is they backed off and we found the publisher that republished that we do I wasn't getting to sell the book today, but the caller from Australia called in and said have you read what's on page 1200 the unfolding of time so for Alex I mean somebody who loves personal private property which extends to intellectual property rights certainly no we got the plates so I mean Carol Quigley's book the you know tragedy and hope they only Printed so many copies because it was a scholarly text that there wasn't a huge market right

So why would you print fucking tons of copies? Especially if it's well over 1200 pages there wasn't a demand for this So Alex and his Patriot buddies started reprinting them, which is a direct violation of his personal private property rights So they don't even believe their own principles when it comes to some sort of way that they can Disseminate messages and misinterpret not at all. So and then Alex sells it on his website now So of course little sales pitch for that wonderful But you might think that based on the fact that Alex sells Tragedy and hope the stolen

The fact that he thinks that Carol Quigley has admitted the entire globalist plan in this book The fact that he brings it up all the time you might think that he's read it In this next clip he shows himself to be like a college sophomore talking about infinite jest and Yes, I read most of this book. I'm gonna be honest with you. It's 1,300 pages long I read most of it back in about 1996 and a few years ago. I tried to read it again But the whole deal is how we control the left and the right we want there to be the illusion of choice We want to bankrupt people make them dependent only we'll be able to operate We like fascism. We like socialism. We like communism as long as it centralizes. We hate libertarianism

We hate freedom because it makes people uppity In what possible world doesn't Alex Jones exist who hasn't read the entirety of a guy? Admitting the global plan Alex Jones can't possibly believe that this is sincerely An admission of the global plan. Yeah He tried to read it and could not make hide nor tail of it and decided he quit That's unacceptable. It is the way everybody read Finnegan's wake. That's unacceptable. Yeah, 100% unacceptable Because if you or me doesn't finish a portrait of an artist as a young man Whatever, right, that's fine

Right, however, if you're a fucking person who is a joy scholar and you haven't finished it Go fuck yourself. It does seem like that undercuts my my scholarly credits You're super passionate about the subject matter and you present yourself as an expert on it You better goddamn well have finished the book because how could you not how could you not you would be? You would have read it multiple times thirteen hundred pages as long, but it's not that long, right? I'm a joy scholar, but it's like I'm not really into what he wrote. You know what? I mean, I'm like I like I like James not not hear me jimmy James Love them not hear me out on that. That's a completely different area

Totally fine with that. I'm not fine if that person then presents themselves to also be a scholar on things They haven't fucking read well I am a veterinarian that prescribes fake pills to people. So I think there's a lot of there's a lot of leeway That's a fucked up moment. How dare he how dare he on every like I tried to read it in 96 Couldn't make a I try to get Yeah, what are you gonna do? I had to go fucking fishing Yeah, I assumed that he hadn't read it, but hearing him say it out loud is such a betrayal Yeah, I want you to lie to me quiet. It's a betrayal of the pretense. Yeah

Yeah, we we come into this with an agreement that you pretend to at least believe the bullshit you say it's also a tacit like it Sort of permission to his audience. You don't have to read it. Yeah. Yeah, of course Even I didn't read it. He's selling it and he's like I'm not reading that shit. No, I know what other people have told me about it I can make all the conclusions in the world that I want based on those mischaracterizations of six pages of the book that I've read and I'm gonna be honest I know the people who are telling me about it and I really don't think they've read it either I mean, it's a really long book. I think he's probably read like six or seven pages of it Yeah, that makes sense the pages of the relevant portions

Yeah, or he's only ready irrelevant the passages that are misrepresented in Scousin like I think it's entirely possible. That's the only access to the book. He has which is a big problem Yeah And the only person that we can guarantee is read it is scousin because that's the only way I'm not sure he read the whole thing. Well, the whole thing is long 100 pages long. Yeah, you know who's read it Maybe that's it so in this next web Alex discusses like okay So this caller called in and he was talking about the gun stuff in tragedy and hope and Alex had a vague memory of that

Sure caller was bringing this up and I remember reading this when he was saying it I knew he wasn't lying because I had the the remnants of the memory of that Be I guess that's what the beginning of wisdom is you don't remember at all You just remember pieces, you know, the person's being accurate and he says right here We don't want the general public having arms because it makes it a free society and we can't stand up against them We want specialized armies to basically oppress them And he goes on to talk about how you know, basically the founders wanted a citizen army in Western civilization and freedom And they don't want that so no these

That's embarrassing stuff like that's that's an embarrassing level of Unawareness of the topic you're covering. I have a remnant of a memory and I guess that's the beginning of wisdom, right? Brevity is the soul of wit and a vague memory is the basis of wisdom Yeah, that sounds right. That's not good So in this next clip they're in overdrive now And so like the when I we talked about this at the beginning of the show like he does an extra hour on a whim And it's because this guy brings up Carol Quigley and Alex gets really excited to try and remember what he was about Yeah, or at least gather his remnants. Yeah, and then also he's so into this post-trib rapture stuff

So he and Steve just there they're doing some it's not Jerome Corsi level that banter Yeah, but the two of them are hitting it off quite well in terms of just like yeah, absolutely This is the globalist playing the pre-trib rapture. Everybody fucking knows it. Of course, of course, and so they Alex is pitching Steve's work and you've got to give it to all your pastor friends and then a word comes up that has become Sort of relevant to us recently discernment are very important to give all your preachers out there They'll probably curl up like snakes and hiss at you and pull out a pitchfork But the point no most of them don't know it's our job to challenge them

I'm not on some high horse either here folks. I mean, I'm Mr. Goodie, too She's just an I know I know right from wrong. I know deception from the truth because I have discernment I mean anybody who has discernment, right? Especially then you integrate it with history and everything else and what the globalists are doing it just You use the more I learned about the New World Order and then the more I go to the Bible It's like oh my gosh now. I I could only now 38 years old almost 39 39 a couple days Actually understand the Bible and it's just so deep now. Whoa Man, I was

Have you ever read this Bible ship, but like really read it Jesus. That's Is discernment a coded word that we're not aware of I think is so good at coding words They even got discernment somehow I think there is a religious connotation to it, but I think it's interesting because I don't necessarily think that it has that same use in when like Kevin Moore or Kerry Cassidy is saying it. Yeah, I don't think that they're coming from the same position But Alex is using it fairly Similarly, but there is a religious code here. Oh for sure. It there is something something there

Yeah, but discernment very very important for liars. I never I can't even remember the last time I said discernment in any context Well, I think it's a really powerful and useful way to make people distrust their own intuition Because like you might have read the Bible and have your ideas about it But I have discernment and I'm able to discern things. Yeah, you aren't able to yeah So if you build up enough like cred for your discernment you have discernment cred you could get people to over Over override their own Intuition their own perspective they like well, they must know better. They have good discernment. Oh

So you have two clips coming up here And they are just Steve Saying weird things about the Bible. Okay. The first is about weaponry You know, the Bible definitely is very clear that every single person should have a weapon You know all the way back to the book of Deuteronomy He talks about every single citizen having a weapon and having a paddle on the back of their weapon and so forth because it restrains evil And then also even Jesus Christ himself in the garden of Gethsemane said hey

If you don't have a sword you need to sell your code and they try to spin that now And and and say it was misinterpreted and it's talking about a literal sword They pulled out two literal swords and said lord, we have two swords and he said it's enough And so the disciples had swords. All right, everybody got swords. Yeah, okay It's not first kings. It's second amendment kings Okay Jesus and in this next one we learn that religion

And the government That would be prescribed by the bible more in line with alex than you might think Romans 13 is really clear about what the purpose of government is the only purpose of government Which is the punishment of evil doers evil doer meaning someone evil in the bible means harming someone else So it's to punish people. It's a libertarian of Exactly exactly right and so the god never gave the no initiation of force exactly And so the god never gave the government the authority To uh regulate our lives, but maybe Romans 13 or whether these main line preachers say maybe so

I hate you so much. Here's the problem with this They're basically saying that god's a libertarian and the government that god would enact or would like Based on the bible is a libertarian government based on the non-aggression principle right now Maybe this god guy is stupid too. Well, here's the problem Steve then says god didn't say that the government can regulate our lives But how do you enforce the non-aggression principle without regulating? We talked about it when we made fun of staphon molyneux the idea of the non-aggression principle applied Universally involves deep regulation of businesses in terms of pollution because you can't can't initiate harm

You can't initiate a secondhand smoke on people because that is an aggression Yep, um, you know, you'd have to uh completely regulate pollution many period so many aspects of people's lives You wouldn't be able to allow cars. Yeah Yeah, you you just can't and so a government that operated off that uh that god would be uh, uh cool with involves Intense regulation So that's kind of a little bit of a contradiction for these dumb dumb. They don't like to think all the way through things They just like to save like to fucking apply it to taxes

Anyway, they talk a lot about the pre and post-trib rap Rapture stuff and personally I don't really care about those arguments much I like pre and post-trib rap. You know what I'm saying. Sure quest. Yeah I can see where alex's insistence on post-trib rapture comes from like, uh, although I would suggest that uh, Just because you're personally not getting raptured before the tribulation That doesn't mean that the natural conclusion is to just not care and allow an evil system to take hold and hurt everybody No, I'm pretty sure that's morally cool with what god likes. I mean christian charity isn't just a self-serving thing People work to feed the poor whose hunger they can't personally feel

So his idea that knowing the rapture is coming means you shouldn't resist It's kind of simplistic and self-centered on its face and I don't think that it uh accurately depicts what a lot of christians believe Uh, is what motivates their charity and they're caring for people You would at least hope not. Not in my experience. I believe that there's a lot of people who even should the rapture be pre-tribulation would still It wouldn't change their perspective alex is very much, uh, narcissistic-y on that So, um, we have one last clip and it's uh, it should just give you a sense of how alex is treating callers on this show Uh, he talks to that. You're a dick. He talks to the australian guy who, uh, wanted to bring up carol quickly For quite a while that goes on a long time

Um, but for the most part it's more like this where alex goes to a call as the end of the show music is playing All right, well listen folks. We're out of time. Uh, here's start of the other callers I wanted to go to nick and benzel vangan last words from nick and benzel vangan 30 seconds Take us out nick nick. Okay alex. I just wanted to say to you god bless you God bless, um Pastor anderson You like albus are a living No, no, you are see of the sunday 4 to 6 central

That is a solid way to get a caller off of whatever it is they wanted to say and just right on to like 15 seconds You're the grace to your the you're the best god bless you We'll see you next year. Yep So, I don't know this show was really upsetting to me on many levels because There is that trend that you can feel of the religiosity and the end gamey stuff And then you see like oh Each of these could be explained by one of these guests and these guests are both incredibly fucked up people Yeah, it still doesn't make sense how fucking different it is from

January 31st, January 30th, January 29th, um in 2013. It is very different All the stuff he was talking about has been left aside. There is no pierce morgan talk Yeah, it's barely any uh, obama's the devil Maybe the devil but not not as much impeachment talk in the way that he's been focusing There's very little even they're gonna take our guns talk This is one of the like and I think this has happened at least once maybe two or three times in every investigation that We've done where it's been like Okay, well this episode for some reason parked in between this long string of bullshit

Is evergreen and you have no idea what I or it could have come from. I strongly disagree. It's evergreen But I It's a bottle episode. Yeah, it's a bottle episode. It exists weirdly detached from the the surrounding context So, I don't know. I mean, it's unsatisfying for me on many levels because I want to understand the trajectory through 2013 and I don't think this gives us anything I think it just shows us, you know that he Has these ideas that have been There forever. Yeah, certainly the he's a psychic thing. We now see six years ago

He was sure saying the exact same thing almost word for word And then you can see clear demonstrations of his inability or unwillingness to do any kind of research into the topics that he claims to be expert in The no king but king jesus claiming it comes from The revolution the american revolution time john adams and shit Absolutely not that he has not looked into that in any meaningful way. He's just accepted quote unquote patriot lore about it He has not read carol quigley's book by his own admission. He's tried and failed to read it Something that he claims to be an expert on Dr. Eric pianca. He claims he looked into his slideshow

But it's fucking skeletor that he's talking about not a pile of Rwandan skulls. This is bullshit He is so even if it is a bottle episode and we get nothing necessarily in terms of the grander picture of his sandy hook path It's still worth it for what a damning indictment. This is of his ability to do his own job Yeah, this has just been a long string of him Just really not knowing anything about anything. Oh, you mean the last two and a half years of doing the show Yeah, but sometimes at least he pulls out something that's This one is just this one is more like just admitting that he has no interest in learning about anything Yeah, I do feel that way about it. Yeah

Anyway, uh, we'll be back on friday Indeed we will but until then we uh, have a website. We do it's knowledge fight.com. That's right. We're on twitter At knowledge underscore fight and i'm at go to bed jordan. We're on facebook. We are on facebook and we are also on the itunes Uh, which I guess will no longer be something that we're on anymore since it won't exist very shortly. Oh, shit We're an apple pod. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. What do we do? Migrate. Oh, no All right, fine. I'll get on spotify But you know, we we've come to the end of this and I would say, uh Eric pionka

Yeah, he's killed anybody because we've already used quickly. Yeah, we've already used the quakes. Yeah, probably. Yeah, dr Eric pionka is a little bit of a sensational speaker and uh prone to Skeletorist crankiness certainly pretty cranky but also with a sense of humor and I appreciate that Uh, but he's never killed anybody but one guy technically probably has and that is alex jones Andy and chanzas you're on the air. Thanks for holding So, alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you