Knowledge Fight - #311: June 17-19, 2019

Episode Date: June 21, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at what Alex Jones is up to. On paper, it looks like Alex is having one of the worst weeks on record as things completely fall apart with his behavior surrounding the Sandy Hook lawsuit. However, a couple unforced errors by a few media outlets have given Alex the faintest glimmer of hope. Not too much hope though, he seems pretty bummed out.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty, pay over jeals, and talk about Alex Jones quite a bit. I'm going to drop the pretense.

Indeed, we are. We're not drunk. We don't talk about him a little bit. We talk about... Exclusively. Exhaustively. Almost, almost too much. That's what my parents say. Mine, too.

How you doing, Jordan? Oh, I'm doing good, Dan. Great. What's up? What's the longest road trip you've ever been on? Oh, so glad you asked. I've been on many road trips. I love a road trip. If you grew up in Central Missouri, especially, it's like,

you got to get out. You got to go places. Of course, because you're in Central Missouri. Yeah. I mean, growing up, me and the family, with the parents, and my brother, we would go to California every summer. Oh, okay. We would drive. Yeah. Because my parents didn't like to fly. It was too expensive.

And then, also, we would just camp all along the way in order to, like, not pay for hotels. Right, right, right. Like, go to a KOA and pay 20 bucks to get there. Sometimes, national parks. Take that, man. Yeah. It was a good time. We'd do that every summer, because all my extended family

was out somewhere in California, for the most part. Yeah, so we would go out there, and each time we would go, we would try and take a different route. So we could hit different national parks. That's fun. So I was a little bit obsessed with national parks as a boy. That's really cool. Because it was real dork.

Yeah. Then, as an adult, I guess, probably one of the longer ones is me and my buddy, Nicky Gifts. We took a road trip from Missouri down to Boulder. It's our friend, James Desolation Williams, who lived out there. We went to go pay him a visit. He worked.

He was doing some work at the Avery Brewery. And he promised us that we could drink a bunch of Avery beer for free. Worth a long drive. Worth a long drive. We drove out west. Yeah. That was a good time.

You were like the 49ers, but, you know, just for a couple of drinks. There might have been more involved in it than that, but that would have been enough. Yeah, good times. I love a road trip. I miss it. I like a road trip.

That's one of the reasons I fantasize about getting an RV in the future. This is coming up too much on the show now. I've always wanted to drive cross-country, you know? I don't know what there's something romantic about the idea of just getting on 80 and starting in California and going all the way east. It's probably why you're a comedian.

It could be. Yeah, you fantasize about that road dog life. I like to get on the road. I need to live that road life. Well, you get to experience so many other little places that you would never be otherwise. There's a there's a lot. There's a lot to that.

Absolutely. I think getting to experience different modes of life or just the the number of weird silly roadside attractions will never. I anytime we're driving on a wall drug. Yeah. Hell yeah. If there's a billboard for it, like, oh, come see this cave.

I'm like, yeah, fucking we're going to see the largest pecan. Yes. Give me two of those. I get tricked by that one time. It's ceramic. Don't even bother. It's so stupid.

So really? That's not fair. That's not fair. Fake and not. Bullshit. Bullshit. That doesn't count. Nope.

I was furious. You should have your license revoked if that's what it's it. But that's all of them. Like so many of those roadside things are just like, oh, you got me. Yeah. You sneaky assholes.

It's a nice little scam. I like it. I respect the hustle. Exactly. Something else I respect, Jordan. What's that? Is that this is a podcast that's a little, I know a lot about Alex Jones.

And I only know what you tell me about it. What I respect more than that is the generosity of our donors, which make this show possible. So before we get going with today's episode, uh-huh. Gotta take a second to say thank you. Some of these people have signed up and are supporting the show.

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And also, we are incredibly behind on these shoutouts. So we will be doing a supplementary shoutout session. We're doing double shoutouts at the end of this episode. Hell yeah. So stick around for us trying to riff on people's names. Very exciting. So we didn't have an episode on Wednesday, and I guess we should just come out and explain partially

one of the reasons. And that is that we've had a bit of a fantasy of doing an audio book of Mark Richards' book, who is Keri Cassidy from Project Amalot's Big Whistleblower. He put out a book called Imperial Marin Volume 1. Our buddy Mike was so kind as to go and help us secure the text of that book. And we have sat down twice to try and do it,

and we just can't. It's not possible. It's not possible. That's what we had intended to start putting out on Wednesday. We had sat down and we tried for the second time to get through it, and it is just some of the most awful nonsense. It's really, really bad. It's really bad.

But it's very boring. It's bad in the same way that the room. It's bad in the same way the room is really bad. It is alternately very, very, very funny and incredibly boring at the same time. We can fill you in on some of the funny stuff. There's a character named Mako Shark Rampant. The greatest name in history.

In history. Shark Rampant. There are so many sharks in his life. He talks about biohides and skin wings, and you have no idea if anybody is a human or a cat being. No clue. Or I don't even know if Mako Shark Rampant is a shark. I have no idea.

Sometimes there's paws, but in Shark Rampant? Mm-hmm. No fins. No fins. It's unworth. It's not worth it to find out, though. It's what we learned. Because we sat down and we got like 45 minutes in.

Like, we are two and a half pages through this. Yeah. It's not going to be good. And it's like, it's very long. Like, we will probably end up putting out a what? 80 hour audio book of this? No good. Not going to work.

No. No, no, no, no. So that kind of torpedoed our plans for Wednesday. But thank you very much to Mike for getting this. Yes, no, huge shout out to Mike. He's a very, very cool dude. And our apologies for missing the episode. And the fact that we just can't do this.

And not least of which, in those two and a half pages, it was really, really horny. Like, it was so horny. It was like, we're saving you from listening to a dude. Ooh. He's talking about how like a sword is the perfect intersection of maleness and he's banging it against the floor. Up and down repeatedly.

Yeah, yeah, it's not good. No good. So, Jordan, today we are back in the present because we got to experience the fallout. Man, we're just staying in the present, huh? Well, so much has happened. I know. Because the attorneys in the Sandy Hook case that Alex is in,

they accurately interpreted his performance from his Friday episode from last week wherein he yelled a bunch about Chris Maddy, one of the attorneys who is an opposing counsel. And Alex very clearly was implying threats against the guy. Yeah. And so they responded appropriately and filed a motion. Hey, you can't do that. And Alex got some sanctions against him.

He has to pay the attorneys fees for the porn situation that he is in. He can only buy oil from Saudi Arabia now. He can't get it from Iran. Indeed. A lot of sanctions. And more to the point, a lot of people have gone sideways in covering this whole thing.

Yeah, it's been a disaster. There have been some. So Alex did his whole thing on Friday. And then immediately the Daily Beast, a number of other places put out stories about how Alex went on a weird rant and offered a million dollars for information about who had sent this to his email accounts. All good and well.

I think that's fairly fine. All good and well? No, I mean, I think he walked it back after getting some reasonable advice from Norm Paterson. He sobered up the next day, walked it back to a hundred thousand dollars and took away the stipulation that it's a long conviction because that's illegal. So he did walk that all back.

But it's fine. The Daily Beast brought on that, I think, was about as accurate as you're going to get. Then on Monday, the Connecticut Post, I believe is the publication, paper out of Connecticut or publication out of Connecticut, put out a story where the headline was, Lawyer Alex Jones sent Sandy Hook Lawyer's pornography. And because of the way it was framed in the headline,

it made it appear that Alex had maliciously sent this to the lawyers when in reality it was technically accurate. He sent a batch of things in discovery. Yes. Yeah. And illegal pornography happened to be in it. Right. So the problem is Alex only understands headlines.

Yes. And so when you have a headline like that, it's going to cause trouble. And from there, things didn't get better. Oh, they didn't. In terms of the media coverage of this stuff. Yeah. So we're going to go over that.

We're going to experience how Alex experiences the media coverage of the situation that he's in. And I think that there's a very important lesson that we will learn in the middle of this episode. And there'll be some funny stuff. I've tried to make this as not painful as possible. I don't think it's going to be nearly as bad as Monday's episode. Okay.

Virtually. That is a low bar. Yeah. And I think we learned something profoundly funny about Alex and his plans for the future. All right. But before we do get into any of this. Yes.

We have an out of context drop. Okay. And this is Alex Jones channeling one of the greatest comedians of the 70s and 80s. You know, people used to watch TV, but now the TV's watch you. Ah, yuck off. If anybody had any questions about Alex Jones's loyalties to Russia, we have just solved that.

There it is. He's doing a goddamn yuck off impression. Wait, was was yuck off Russian or was he? He was yuck off Smirnov. I thought he was Ukrainian. I don't know why I thought he was Ukrainian. All his jokes are about Russia. I know.

Not all of them. That's not fair at all. I know. I just, yeah, but that was before the fall of the Soviet Union. You may or may not be Ukrainian. I'm not entirely sure. I will say that I don't know that. Yeah.

It's my understanding that his public character is that he's Russian. All right. So let's jump in today. We're going over June 17th through 19th. Yeah. So it's Monday through Wednesday of this past week. And Alex starts off by talking about why is all this paper in front of them.

We don't lay these articles out on here as a as a prop. These are all stacks. I've gone through it. Nope. No. That was a pretty short first clip. Yeah. Yeah.

That one quick and to the point he was lying right out the gate. Short and sweet. Yeah. And now we we jump from that. That's just to sort of set up. He talks about those stacks quite a bit. Okay. But in this next clip, Alex is defensive about how the media is

covering the situation that he finds himself in. And we'll find out that once again, he's only pointing the finger at himself. What happened to us just last week? We learn we've been under investigation for two weeks by the FBI who then gave a statement to my lawyer and said, Info Wars is the victim. Someone sent you emails with child porn on them.

You didn't open them. And it just so happened to be we're going to get you for talking about Sandy Hook. You piece of crap. Here's more threats. And if you clicked on it, which we didn't do, it's child porn. The national media ran with Info Wars infected with malware with child porn.

Their servers aren't safe. Think about the deception. But the FBI does say that Jones is innocent. It wasn't malware. It was individuals sending us emails to trick us to open them saying we're going to get you, Alex Jones. And here's our threats against you. And you click on it and it's horrible crime.

All the articles that talked about malware were literally quoting Norm Pattis, Alex's lawyer, because he said it was malware. Now, it was clumsy phrasing on his part, but that doesn't negate the fact that the only thing that they're reporting on is what your fucking lawyer said. Same thing with that Alex is playing a character thing. It's like, yes, the media is reporting on what your lawyer said defending you and your child custody case.

Now take that up with your lawyer, not the media. They're quoting him. Right. And don't expect Norm to know completely what malware is. No. That's a reasonable mistake for him to make. So that should characterize some of this. He's really trying to get messy with definitions, trying to point

fingers around. This trend is going to go through this episode very, very consistently, but his main story on Monday, the 17th is not his own plight. It is not Iran, which I don't think he cares all that much about anymore. It's not Ebola. He's forgotten about Ebola on the southern border.

Right. Just a mere hop, skipping a jump away from him in Austin, by the way. Right. Right. Ebola. It's not coming. It's coming.

He does mention it a couple of times over the course of these three days, but he does not really care anymore. San Antonio is lost to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's cut your losses, you know, it's because he has to move on to greener pastures, and that is that Facebook has mentioned that they're going to release their cryptocurrency. Oh, God.

This is the mark of the beast. Oh, yes. Of course it is. And Alex has to yell about it. Facebook has now said if you don't behave, they're watching you at all times. You will not be able to buy or sell. They said that Friday.

Yes, biblical prophecy is being fulfilled. Again. The church won't say a damn word because they're going to take Facebook currency. It's all there's going to be. That's right. One ring to rule them all in in the darkness buying them. Nice.

You want to be in the New World Order folks. You're going to be in it. That's just one small stackie. Well, I said 20 stacks. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27. Stacks. I don't exaggerate 27 stacks.

Each one more insane as the quickening accelerates. My Jimity crickets. This point I have entered insane asylum land. Yeah. He doesn't get to those 27 stacks. He doesn't believe that. Yeah. It's pretty crazy.

It's really nice of a staff to organize them in Excel in, you know, elevating insanity. Right. You know, you want to start your day with a real fairly normal. Yeah. Just a little weird. Yeah. Like, I don't know, chipmunk surfboards.

Hey, that's great. That is weird. Yeah, nice memes. That's insane. That is nuts. And then by the end of it, Facebook has a currency. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm going to go ahead and side with Alex on this one,

though. Quite frankly, big picture. Cut it out, Facebook. Yeah. Oh, right. What are you doing? I read that headline and I was like, oh, for fuck's sakes, you assholes.

Go away. Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like, hey, this is stupid and terrible, but I think me and Alex might be able to find some common ground on this one, in terms of very strongly being against Facebook, having a cryptocurrency. Yeah, the only people who want Facebook to have a cryptocurrency work at Facebook and are named Mark Zuckerberg.

Yeah, it seems like something that could go bad pretty easily. So enjoy, Alex. I still think you're going to do this poorly, but fight that noble fight. No, I think we should all team up. Yeah. So there's another trend that goes throughout these here episodes, and that is what I would describe as a more overt

gesturing towards white supremacy. And I know that we have no bones about the fact that Alex comes from a white supremacist, white nationalist, white identitarian place. Yeah. But some of the things he says in these episodes and some of the things that his guests say are profoundly disgusting. And in this next clip, he's talking to the guy who runs

Europe Wars, which is the offshoot in Europe. Of Info Wars, Dan Lyman, the delicious lemon-lime flavor of Lyman. Lyman. Yeah. So Dan Lyman's on and he has some thoughts about African immigrants. And no, he should not. It's not.

I don't want to hear him. It's I wouldn't say this is a win. Okay. And not on top of that, especially with with a lot of the African migrants, they do repopulate very quickly. And whoa, and very healthily. So I mean, we're looking at just a total demographic wave, a dominance of the Western.

And when the folks are brought in, they're politically have a chip on their shoulder. They're taught to hate America. They're taught the Democrats are your God and their tribal. They understand they get in that tribe. The tribe takes care of me. I take care of them. And there's an incredible swagger and arrogance.

Minnesota, the new ruling class is Somalis. So that's I mean, wow, it's tough. It's tough to hear something like that and not just think like, Oh, you know, you're showing you're showing cards there. Yeah, that's too much. These Africans that come in breed very healthily. That is crazy. Before you know it, they're everywhere.

Not least of which because in this country, the maternal death rate for black women is insanely high compared to white women. The that sort of language is the way you describe like infestations. That's not that's that they come here and they breed done. You're a racist. Fuck off. I would say so. Yeah, so it shouldn't surprise you at all that Alex has found

a new social media home. Oh, no, now I didn't get time to play this because I went off on a Jag about Telegram, but it's T dot me. And there's a whole bunch of platforms popping up to counter Twitter and Facebook and Google and all of it. I think Paul's up like 50,000 on there. Tommy Robinson, even more. I haven't plugged it on the show, but the easiest things go to info wars dot

com up at the top of the site. Right there. You can click on that little blue triangle under the listen now and it will take you there where you can sign up and follow us there. And it's got video. It's got a lot of other great functions. So hopefully you'll join and really what it is is a paper airplane. A lot better than a little bird.

Oh, it doesn't spy on yet. It's not politically correct. We really like it. I know there you go. Ladies and gentlemen, the big plug for Telegram, which I did kind of screwed up way because I wasn't planning it. I just went to keep planning to plan it and I never got around to planning it.

So it's better to go off half cock than never go off. Don't you agree? No, I see enemy with torpedoes. Even if you miss, it still makes for nice fireworks off in the distance. Maybe you blow up a fishing boat or something. I'm being sarcastic. Good sarcasm. The only thing that's really interesting about that is that like it took

Alex this long to figure out that there are social media networks that he can go to. I've never, I mean, I know he's had Andrew Torba, the guy who runs GAB on the show before and they've talked about how he's on GAB, but like telegrams were a lot of these other folks have ended up like Miley and Obelisk over there. I think it's interesting because I think Alex is trying to spread tendrils because I think he's in a panic.

Yeah, I think that the events of the last week have really driven home to him that left his own devices. He is dead in the water, right? Because the whole, the whole child pornography thing is, I mean, it's not. It's a horrible crime, but it's a benign thing from his end. He is the victim in this. Right, right. He's legitimately the victim.

Yes. Someone sent him this. The FBI checked it out and was like, Oh, obviously this is the case. Yeah. Whatever. You're fine. Yeah. But because Alex is such a reactionary, insane, rage filled monster,

he ended up getting on air and started screaming about this guy and he's created a world of hurt for himself left to his own devices. That's how he will behave. Right. And he's even if his lawyer is next to him, right? And he's going to completely destroy what he's got. So in order to compensate for that, he knows he needs more, right? Cause he needs to be able to destroy some of it.

Right, right. Still survive. So you get on telegram. All right. Cool. Let's plug my telegram on the show. Great. Man, isn't that sad?

Yeah, it's very sad. So he goes along the 17th, I'm going to say isn't a great show. It's there's not a whole lot there. So we're breezing through a bit of this just because some of it is sort of setting the scene, some of these desperation feelings, some of these desires to get into new social media spaces, some of the white supremacy. Right. Some of these trends are important because they build, but left to its own

devices, I probably I got to stop using that expression, by the way, left to his own devices. Keep saying it. Yeah. All on its own. I don't think the 17th is a show worth covering. It's fine for the beginning of this episode. Right.

Right. But I would say maybe the only thing that's really great about it is that Alex takes some calls. Okay. And he gets prank called. Sam and Justin and everybody you've been holding patiently. Thanks for calling. Sam in Arizona.

What do you think's happening? Alex. Yes, sir. Before I get to my point of we're overdue for American Chernobyl, I want to call you out as a coward. You are a coward not to allow this one listener to come on and express his opinion about the Rapture Bible Dan. He deserved to come on the show and put the guy on hold.

But sir, you are Bible Dan, but sir, you are Bible Dan. This guy does call in a bit. He always wants to argue pre and post-trib rapture. That's so fun. Yeah. That's so fun. I don't know why Alex let him talk so low. How did you not recognize?

He called us all the time. There's something pretty charming about Bible Dan. That is fun. Pretending to be Sam. There's something great about calling into a show. They're like you're a coward because you won't talk to me. I'm on the show right now though. It's fun.

Yeah. So that is fun. Unfortunately, it's not all fun. Because towards the end of this episode here on the 17th, Alex says something that is overtly violent. That's not good. This is on the scale of like, yeah, you shouldn't say this. And Trump must get control of the government.

It's not his fault. They're traders and criminals. But he must take action against them. The people that have done this seem to be identified. And they need to get in big trouble now. You go, but they've got secrets. They'll bring them out with always bad things. Look, the Pentagon knows what to do with people like this.

Okay. Kayak accidents. Well, they're right back. Seriously, Kayak, they all need to take swims tonight. Compliment. So. Wait, is that Godfather shit right there? Yeah.

Yeah, basically. Take him out on the, take him out on the lake. You know, maybe only one of them come back. No big deal. Hey. Yeah. I mean, no bones about it. He is literally calling for the deaths of his political enemies.

Yeah, it does sound like that. Yeah. And I mean, one of the people he was specifically talking about is John Bolton. And as much as I hate John Bolton, I still don't think that you should be able, you shouldn't behave like that on a, on a national radio show. No, probably not.

That's irresponsible. Yeah. You should call for him to be tried for his war crimes. Sure. Yeah. That's, that seems like a more legal way to go about things. Yeah. That sounds great.

Yeah. So, you know, he's in this, he's in this real fucked up headspace and, you know, there's, there's clear, it's clearly affecting him. But on Monday, I don't think he'd gotten all the news about like his sanctions and the blowback from his Friday show. Right. He feels like, all right, I did that crazy nonsense on Friday. And then I got back with Norm and I had walked it back to 100,000.

I made the deal legal. Right. We're all good. No one. 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:39,400 Ba-ba-doo-ba-doo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I would even venture to say that I don't think he's seen that

Connecticut post article on Monday, even though it came out on Monday. Right. Probably came out while he was on air or something like that. But it's a relatively small paper, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's not like, it's not like a nationally syndicated paper. No, but it did get a lot of traction after it got released.

Like that promoted or whatever. It went all around social media. It was sensational enough to go. Unfortunately, he's not on social media. So maybe that would slow down. Oh, that's true. Well, he's on Telegram, but I don't think they're sharing that one too much. Probably not.

So when we jump back in here on the 18th, he clearly has heard about it. And wow, where he goes isn't good. Yeah. I do think that he's starting from a kind of a fair position. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Tuesday, June 18th, 2019. And one of the top news stories in the United States, not just here, but also in Europe, is the headline of headlines. The fake news.

Kudigraw, the fake news finale, in my view, but it'll only get worse. Obviously they've reached new heights. Alex Jones sent child porn to Sandy Hook families. Boy, that would be a better idea to commit suicide than to do that, wouldn't it? And then I mean, yeah, hundreds of articles. Both the local papers here in Central Texas, San Antonio, Austin, American Statesmen. Front page. Alex Jones sent child porn.

To the Sandy Hook families, total lie. That's after dozens of publications over the weekend reported that we were the victims of someone sending hidden coded child porn embedded in an email that had nothing to do with sex or anything else that was never opened. So the part that is fair here is, again, this headline sort of, I don't know what you'd even call it, insinuation, the mislead, you know, it's technically not. But yes, it is. Yeah, it's the same game Alex plays, though, with misleading headlines all the time.

It's hard to feel too much empathy for him based on the fact that this is his whole career. Right. Is misleading people with headlines. Yeah. When you see somebody lying atop their own petard, you're kind of like, well, you know, you get one, you lose one. Right.

It's hard. It's hard to, it's hard to be like, oh man, you're getting a raw deal. But at the same time, as external observers who try to be overly fair about this, it is. Yeah. It is. It's bullshit. You could see how that headline is misleading.

Yeah, of course. It says lawyer colon Alex Jones sent child porn to Sandy Hook attorneys. Right. Right. What the lawyer is putting forth and technically in discovery, he sent those emails over. Right. So it's, it's true and it's false. Right.

Yeah. I would never have written that headline because it allows Alex to do this. Yeah. I would never have allowed that headline to, if I was editing that paper, I would never have been like, yeah, this sounds good. Well, it's a, you know, it's, it's kind of a really interesting thing because by writing that headline, you probably got way more visibility on your, on your publication. You probably got way more traffic than you would have with a more restrained headline.

Right. Right. Right. I can think of somebody else who uses that very same tactic to get way more traffic and is his name Alex Jones. It sounds very similar. That platform and that kind of strategy that sounds very familiar to me. Right.

And that's where the struggle comes in for me is that like, okay, I don't know. I can't pretend to understand exactly what the Connecticut Post's head or their, their motivations were whether or not it's like, yeah, that's a fine headline, whatever, kick it out the door or like, oh, this is, people are going to be interested in this article based on the way we phrase this headline. Right. Right. But assuming that it is in interest of some sensationalism or some salacious, uh, element,

I feel similarly to it that I do, like it's, if it's the same trick being used, it doesn't matter that it's being used against Alex or by Alex. Right. It's a manipulative trick. Right. I'm very conflicted about it. Uh, I think it's bad, uh, then again on the, the list of things that I'm, I'm like allocating a lot of energy towards that one's way down at the bottom.

I think it's more frustrating from, uh, for us from like a personal standpoint of like, God damn it guys. We have done everything possible to do not that even though we've spent 300 but odd episodes doing all our episodes with a date. Yeah, exactly. The opposite of sensational or salacious and we have to try to listen to our show. Good job. And then you guys pull that bullshit and then everybody says this and nobody even asked

us. I think that's the thing that bothers me most. Somebody should have asked us. That can bother you. It does. That doesn't bother me that much. I know no one will ever really think of us as a primary resource. Come on.

You gotta ask us. I'm conflicted on the one hand of like understanding, like I kind of get what you're doing. And then on the other hand, my, the other part of my brain that's just like, guys, stop it. Yeah. Stop. Right. You, you're giving him material.

Like there's a way to express all of this. And at the same time, not play into his hands and I, I guess what I'm saying is I could do it. If I were running right, the Connecticut post, right, I could have navigated this minefield. But I'm also glad that I, I'm not in that position. Right. I think the way that we talked about it after we tried and failed to record that audio book was, um, you can't play his game because he's been playing it for 20 years and you're

just now starting to, yeah, he's, he's got you, but you know, if you're going to come heckle me from a crowd, you're, you're fighting not against me. You're fighting against every heckler that I've dealt with over 10 years or whatever and you're like consumed their strength. Yeah. You don't, you don't have anything. You're not going to come up with anything. So stay out of my game.

Well, maybe, maybe on a lucky day. Yeah. Yeah. It could be. You have an off day. It's a great. Right. Right.

But it's luck. It's got to be a good one. Yeah. It's not a good strategy. And neither is this. Like the, the idea of playing sensationalism with Alex is generally going to be a losing proposition for you. And that's the nature of like mixing it up with a propagandist.

Yeah. You can do it. Um, the only way to win is not to play. Now that being said, Alex is in real trouble because what he did is very much close to threatening his opposing council. I would say it was that I would say without question, it was that right. You're, I think he will try and I know he will because of later clips. He'll try to wiggle around like I wasn't threatening anybody and then maybe you can get off on

a technicality. But what he was doing in earnest and in reality was threatening Chris Matty. Yeah. That is what he was doing. And whether or not that will end up biasing the court against him, whether or not it will come up in his legal troubles and make things much harder for him is left to be seen. Because of those sanctions, which I guess he's appealing, but I'm sure he's going to end up losing that.

Yeah. For sure. But because of those sanctions, he has to pay more. He has to pay attorneys. Right. He has to pay the entire case, but for a portion of it. So that is an additional expense. One of his motions to dismiss the case was thrown out too.

So like there are consequences to this. And I think Alex realizes that like I got myself in that trouble. Whether he's able to vocalize it, whether he's able to make like help people understand like this is my fault. I freaked out on air. Right. And I screamed about this guy for no reason at all and insinuated that he had sent me a legal pornography.

Right. Right. Right. And there's this next flip. I just hear him being like, I'm in trouble and I have to do whatever I can to make sure I don't do this again. I have agonized in the last six months coming to you with this message because I don't like to let the enemy know their hurtness.

But there comes a time in a war when you're winning the war, but as a battalion or a platoon or an army, you're losing and you got to call for reinforcements. You got to call for help. There's a lot of things people don't know about behind the scenes. It's been been rough. And sometimes I do melt down. Sometimes I've subconsciously shuttered rage and it like a volcano comes out and that only happens every once in a while.

And I've told the crew when that happens from now on, we just go to rebroadcast. That's a default position. So he's had to tell his staff that when I fucking get like that, turn this off. And that's indicative to me of like, I cannot control myself. Right. I am going to sink my own ship. I need help. I mean, more or less.

That is exactly what he's saying. I need help from the button. Yeah. Off button. If you are doing your job and you have to order other people to stop you, you need help. Right. Not just from them. Right.

You know, and in the middle of this episode, Alex gets a text from Norm who is in Connecticut who is in trials or in court. It's regarding this motion that they put because of his Friday episode. And guess what? After he gets that text, he goes to rebroadcast. You know, I read that text and it's just you are space fucked. It was, uh, it was a really interesting text. Yeah.

I mean, it's, it's, it's weird to have him say like, whenever I freak out, I told them automatically go to rebroadcast and then like an hour and a half later is like, I heard this before. Oh shit. Wait. Is this. Oh no. Is this last Thursday's episode?

No. What's going on here? And, and some of that might have just been, he needed to deal with the text. Yeah. He wasn't actually freaking out. But whatever. It's just, it's just weird. That's what I was surprised by earlier on in the episode.

Even on the Monday one, uh, because I had speculated on our last episode that him having this bullshit attack on him should have made him overjoyed because this is something where he can really see. I think he was on Friday. I think he was too. And now he is bummed. Well, because his joy. He flew too close to the sun.

His anger took him to a place that is legally actionable, whereas before he was in smooth sailing, he could have created a fun contest out of this and gotten a lot of publicity out of playing the victim, which you would have been right to do. Exactly. He was the victim in that case. Granted, maybe he was overdoing it a little. But whatever. Well, not just a little.

He's a showman. Yeah. Um, yeah. I agree. I agree. I think that, uh, his feelings have transformed greatly over the weekend into now like, fuck. This is like, uh, and who knows how much those legal fees were. Level blunders here.

Like that it was, that is a, just could have been so good and now it's worse than ever. Unforced errors. Yes. Uh, coming into play. Like I said, like I don't know how much the legal fees were that he got hit with, but it could have been a substantial amount. It could have been more than the 15,000 he had to pay out of the Pepe case. Quite frankly.

I have no idea. What an ass. Well, because. Yeah. I don't know. Because Norm said on Friday's episode that they paid that data firm like $100,000 to go over the emails. Yeah.

If he had to pay legal fees for this portion of the investigation, It sure seems like that's part of the legal fees. Yeah. But again, that's coming from Norm. Who knows how accurate that number is or even if that's what he had to pay. But the point is it could be any number, any amount. It could be a lot or it could be like it really, really fucked. Yeah.

So anyway, in this next clip, Alex is talking more about this headline from the Connecticut Post. And again, in the same way that I feel, I think he has a kernel of being right and then a whole pound of being wrong. The headline is, Jones sent documents out of the clear blue sky to these poor, sandy hope parents. That wasn't the headline according to the lawyers, one of them is a former federal prosecutor, a Democrat, of course, of course, and they have been taking this material and

taking it to the FBI. From our sources, we're getting it ready for the news. I'm not saying they planted the email. I'm saying somebody planted it. We're going to find who they are. But I am angry at those individuals, but not physically when I make statements about whoever planted it. And I say, I want to see their head on the pike.

That is figurative and I have no record of ever attacking anybody offensively or any criminal record. We do. But nevertheless, they're in court right now, calling for all sorts of sanctions on me and they're trying to get criminal charges against me and all the rest of it. It's all a badge of honor. Okay. It's all a badge of honor.

I've done none of what they've said. It's all a fraud. It's all a lie and they know it. So I think that this trying to repackage the threat is probably a desperation move. Yeah, that's, that's pretty funny because if anybody heard what he did on Friday and just had a normal human understanding of language, you would very clearly understand he was heavily implying yes, uh, that Chris Maddie and the opposing counsel for the people who were suing him and Sandy Hook were the people who planted it.

Yeah. Like that is not up for grabs now in terms of like a, like when Norm, uh, Pattis, his lawyer was on the show, he even was saying, Alex, you're showing Chris Maddie. Yeah, I'm not implying anything like his lawyer was even being like, you're implying that this. Yeah. He might as well put the guy's picture on the wall, uh, on top of a fucking shooting sheet and then stabbed it repeatedly and been like, this is how I fail.

He probably, he probably did after the show. Yeah. That's right. That's probably true. Like when that's a damning document that Friday show because of his own behavior and because of how Norm responded to him, like he was saying exactly what people's accusations are quite frankly. Yeah.

He was trying to steer Alex away from going too far with it and maybe he did. Like maybe he got it out of, uh, the territory where it would be like, you are going to get this case thrown out and be held in contempt or whatever, but, uh, it's really hard for Alex to, uh, with a straight face, sit here and say, um, look, I just wanted his head on a pike. Yeah. I was being figured. Figured.

I've never attacked anybody physically, right? So you would, no matter what, even if he is now trying to make the argument that like, I wasn't saying that the people who are suing me put that porn on my email, he does still think that there's a conspiracy. Of course. Well, of course. They first wanted 9.6 million emails since Sandy Hook, all of them. We fought them to the expense of $100,000 in legal fees just for that, to not give them

all your emails. She wanted 57,000. The judge did. Then they wanted the metadata, all that weird squiggly stuff that nobody can read. That was then gone over and they found what was in those links, those links that were named something else on there. So we got out ahead of it and we said, but the FBI told us that we were the victim and the media ran with the truth.

And then somebody up higher said, we can't have this put out the headline, Jones sent child porn to the Sandy Hook families. So he's implying now that there's even like a more broad conspiracy about this. Cause that there's like the, the event and he believes that there was a setup. And then he thinks that like people reported on it well. And then the globalists are like, no, no, no, no, no, we cannot allow people to have any idea that Alex Jones might be the victim of something we must crush. I think this is a insane way to deal with stuff.

Yeah, that's not good. I think I could probably say that on just about every episode, but also guess what? We get another movie reference there because I'm, I guarantee he's talking about the matrix when he's talking about metadata, all that weird little squiggly stuff that you can't read. Guarantees talking about the matrix. Yeah. Cause I wouldn't describe metadata as squiggly stuff.

It might be right. It can be expressed as squiggly stuff, but squiggly stuff is a very broad and vague definition. Yeah. So when Alex is making the argument that he was set up, right? With the emails. One of the things that he uses to argue that is the idea that the court told him he should be aware of what he's turning over to people when you're giving things over for discovery. It's generally.

It's a good idea to know what you're giving them. It's best practices to be aware. You don't want to be surprised by discovery in court. I'll be, what? Whoa. Oh my God. There's a spreadsheet where I have all of my Sandy Hook money listed off. Whoops.

Should have known about that ahead of time. That's bad. Yeah. But Alex thinks that people telling him he should have been aware of that is proof that they wanted him to open the emails so he would have looked at the porn. Oh, that is an interesting way of thinking about it after the fact. Yeah. Oh, does it tell you that we never opened it and that the lawyers specifically asked for

it and then had to scan it to find the secret links or that they wanted the court to order us to open all attachments and give us all attachments ordering us to go through all our emails and open attachments when we don't do that. And I told Norm Pattison, I told them all Norm's a good guy. I said, Norm. Norm. They already know there's something in there that we don't know about. This is parallel construction.

I said, you watch. He was here the week before this happened. I said, they're not winning these cases and I said, we're getting diverted by these. We're getting, we're getting manipulated. We're winning these cases too easily. These aren't the sabotage traps. So he seems to think that he's winning all of these cases. And so in order to derail the case, I mean, he's still saying that they did it.

Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. But parallel construction using fun words. He's so all over the place in terms of like, I'm not saying, I'm saying, I'm not, hey, hold on. I kind of am saying that.

I'm going to give him five points for spin on this one. I think he's doing a fairly good job of turning. I didn't read any of the shit that I gave to them, uh, into see how smart I am for not reading any of the shit I gave to them. It is a good save. That's not bad. Yeah. That's not bad.

Now, if I had hired a real lawyer, we would have committed a crime. Not so stupid for hiring Barnes now. All right. Interesting. So incompetent like a fox. This next clip reinforces my argument that I think Alex is in a really terrible place. We had that clip earlier where he's saying, you know, we're, we're in real trouble. We need to get the, uh, the armies coming around, um, and in this next clip, Alex predicts

his own death. If I get car jacked at a four way stopper, get killed or whatever, I'm still a winner. But remember, after I'm dead, they're really going to try to demonize me further and it's that name they want to capture and use for evil. Please defend my name after I'm gone. That's a tough out to break. There's a good chance. I'll be dead in a year.

All right, we'll be back. All right, we'll be back and you can tell the audio guy was here to do that. That music got real loud. Ramp it up. Oh boy. Yeah. I mean, what would you, what would you do? If my boss was just screaming on air earlier in a year, it's look, remember me fondly earlier

in the show. He said, if I would get weird and hit the button, I would use that as like, you know, carte blanche to just start getting the cough button on the rebroadcast. Alex, you're prophesying your own death rebroadcast. Who has the true power now, Alex? So here on the 18th, we get what I would describe as a boringly regular guest. Alex is his lawyer on again. Yes, there we go.

I want to bring. Robert Barnes on the show, constitutional lawyer, civilized lawyer, very successful free speech lawyer. He represents me on a bunch of cases. The Democrats and their operatives have brought the Sandy Hook cases in Texas. Norm Patis, also a very competent top lawyer representing me in Connecticut. He's in court right now where they're trying to claim that I threatened violence against their lawyers, which wasn't true.

I said, I'd like to see whoever sent us the child porn's head on the pike. That's a figurative statement, you know, like, if I catch the, you know, my son sneaking the car out again, I'm going to kill him. But they're up there trying to haul me up to Connecticut, make me be there for depositions in the courthouse, like I'm a criminal. All of this for the theater of the media. It's all for the theater of the media of the media. Yeah. Oh, that's true.

He's going to have to be brought back to Connecticut to, to Connecticut to give a deposition on what they have on video. Well, aren't they? He has to, from what I understand, the last I read, he has a deposition that he has to give on July 1st. So I believe he does have to go to Connecticut for that. But then I believe the trial itself would be next year. I still think the trial is a ways off.

Okay. If I might be misremembering that, but I swear I read something about them setting a date, and it's like in November, 2020, I might be completely off on that. And if I am, I apologize. But yeah, he, I mean, of course, like it's going to be a ridiculous spectacle, the people who are running this trial or go, they have their hands full. Yeah, they will need to, I don't know if you can, like, put everyone in

isolation, but you need to, I mean, I don't think they're, boy, it really does seem like this, this case should be held in like a, on a different island somewhere where no one, no, no media, no, nothing record all of it. The jury is a fucking 12 birds. Like there's no human being should be involved with that. Record all of it, but don't tell anyone about what happened to tell it's over. Yeah, yeah, that would be the way I do it. So there's simple bachelor rules.

There's no shenanigans, but at the same time, no one should be able to interfere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's, it's ripe. Oh, it's not going to be fun. Yeah. So it's a very severe time here on the June 17th, 18th, excuse me, and Alex comes in for break with some terrifying noises that he plays very often.

And in this clip, he pretends he never plays these sorts of noises. He needs to play them now to let you know how serious things are. No, I've never aired stuff like this in my 25 years, but it's, it's time for air raid sirens. It's time for marching feet. It's time for barking dogs. Never play that because this is tyranny. He plays, he plays air, he plays air raid sirens a lot.

So that's, that's just fun. That's good presentation. In this next clip, he talks about the Connecticut paper and their, you know, arguably misleading headline. And what's interesting about this is that one of the criticisms that we have about Alex, I think we've even brought this up already on this show, is that he engages with news and with media on a headline level. He doesn't read articles.

He only knows maybe a sentence and the headline and then it's like, that's the fact, whatever it is, is the fact. In this next clip, he projects that onto everybody else, which I think is a rationalization for why he does what he does, but this just ends up, it makes it sound like he thinks everyone's stupid. There's just so much happening. And then meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, others are putting out headlines behind paywalls where it just says Alex Jones

sent child porn to Sandy Hook families, but you can't read it. And then little bitty at the bottom of every one of these articles. That I saw in the San Antonio Express News, the Austin American statesman, it says the FBI says that emails were sent to Jones and that he had never opened them and that he's the victim, but they do it at the bottom, knowing full, well, in conscious organized fraud. That almost no one reads the whole article that people, most people over half just look at headlines now around 75% only read a paragraph or two and maybe

25% depending on the paper or the demographic actually read the whole article. You have no faith in your audience. If that's the position zero you're giving, I, I, I mean, like, if the article is fair and factually reporting things, then I don't, I don't know. I have, I have little patience for this, but it's what Alex's entire argument is. I do, I do find one thing that he said very interesting, which is the articles behind a paywall and the way that their headlines operate.

That does interest me because if you're talking about, if you're talking about a headline like Alex Jones sends child porn to, and you're talking about it from the New York Times or the post and you can't read that, that is bullshit. I did not consider that whatsoever. I, I agree with that. I agree with that. Um, if those were the only places, of course, of course, of course, I can't imagine someone seeing that headline, not being able to read the article and

not hunting down another article they could read with the same primary reporting. I can. His name is Alex Jones. Right. I, I, I think I do think it would be a surprising number of people also. Right. It's that whole thing of the second step and most people don't take the second step, um, possibly, but I, I, I also think like, I mean, there's a hundred

articles I've never read because they're on the Washington post. For sure. I still know what they say because I found another article. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on the person who's receiving the information. It's unfortunate that the New York Times and Washington post business model are that way. I, I, you know, I understand why.

Yeah, of course. But it, I don't know. If they were the only fucking news outlets, then this would be a good argument. Of course. But I don't think it is. Oh, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not sanctioning his argument by any stretch. I'm just saying that I had not considered that as a side effect for somebody to just somebody who just scrolls through Google news headlines and sees maybe everybody's

headline is very, I agree on that level. You know, yeah. And that's why you don't name articles like this, right? Exactly. Because there is too much of the like, uh, scroll through effect or whatever. You know, you see the headline, you internalize whatever it says as fact, yep, as opposed to getting the story. And I've, I'm guilty of that, uh, in the past.

I try to be more aware of it now, but like, yeah, absolutely. I think, I think people are susceptible to just like, don't need to read that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's the, everybody has done the, the whole Facebook thing where they share an article after only reading a couple of paragraphs and they didn't read the whole thing.

Sure. You know, it happens. So in this next clip, uh, there's some insults flying around about this Connecticut paper, um, and, uh, then Mark Twain gets quoted, but it appears that the media just conjured us up on its own and originated with the Connecticut post. The Connecticut post is a second tier publication. It's not all considered a serious publication in Connecticut. Many does draw the way back to when I went to school in Connecticut.

And so the idea that, uh, uh, anyone would pay attention to the Connecticut post when the Hartford current had already reported days before what the actual situation was, is what put all these big newspapers and big media, uh, and big influential social media celebrities on notice that they had easy note. Definitely the big institutional press. There's simply no excuse whatsoever for the New York times to run that headline when they know that the Hartford current, the only respected publication, uh, it is still a liberal publication, but a much more respected publication had already had

already debunked this days before. So for them to, to run it, they used it as a pre-bunked excuse. They needed some local publication to print some headline that they could then piggyback off of so they could repeat the lie and have the lies spread around the world before the truth could get pants on. And that's precisely what the institutional press did. In fact, I was going to start the broadcast today to say that a lie goes halfway around the world for the truth and put its pants on Mark Twain.

Got brass balls, Alex. Um, so I mean, whatever, the thing that bums me out, the thing that bothers me is that like most of the information is the same of those stories that came out on Friday from the Daily Beast and other publications reporting on Alex's broadcast and the ones that we're reporting on Monday, uh, just with a different headline, right? The, it's the same information just from a slightly different angle. Alex is, I am the victim of a conspiracy where someone sent me a legal

pornography that was discovered by these lawyers and the FBI say, I'm cool. Then on Monday, the other thing is these lawyers are like, Hey, in this batch of discovery, uh, information that got sent over, Alex sent over, uh, illegal pornography, we went over it and, uh, there's no indication that he meant to or that he viewed it or anything like that. Um, it's the same information just presented slightly differently, uh, with the headline and it's just, uh, it's, it's, it's annoying on one level. And then I understand that it's also probably annoying as our show that it's

just constantly him and Barnes and Alex and Alex and Alex repeating that over and over again, but I did that intentionally because I think it is annoying. And it's important to know that this is what's being driven into his audience's mind, but it's not as important as what the point behind it is. And Barnes says that out loud in this next clip. The other point I think broadly is this, that everybody's now having to ask a question, given that this was a complete fabrication by the most powerful institutional press in our country or in the world about you and Sandy Hook, what

other lies have been told about you or you and Sandy Hook, you in general, over the past five. Let's talk about what this means to the big picture with Robert Barnes. Your calls are coming up. So this on ironic good work, Barnes, this is what it's all about. Yeah. It's the idea of creating plausible, reasonable doubt or something like that in the court of public opinion.

The idea of this headline was misleading. Now, the information wasn't inaccurate, but the headline, they're defaming you in the headline. Right, right, right. Now, if you take that, that's all fake. Right. How much do you really know about Alex? Everything's probably a lie.

He's not even a conspiracy theorist. Right, right, right. No, this is the joy that should have come on Friday. This is what he should, this is what he would have fucking dined out on forever. If he hadn't, if he hadn't a fucking threatened the lawyer, what did Barnes is coming up here just like, man, man, man, man, trying to lay low for a few days and then I'll bring it back in. I'll slam it home.

I have no ethics. I mean, this is why you pay Barnes. Yeah, this is why you pay Barnes because that's that's synthesizing this in a way that Alex couldn't have possibly reached. Nope. And it's so manipulative. Oh, yeah. So fucking awesome in terms of like, I hate it.

It's worse, but it's pretty impressive. Oh, yeah. This is what the manipulation is about deep down. This is what it is. Creating the idea that you don't know shit about Alex Jones. You just know with the MSM rights and headlines, right? You know, you probably think he lives in Austin. He doesn't actually.

I don't know. I'm trying to come up with absurd examples of like blow your mind facts about Alex, but it's just, it's all it is. It's a, it's a, it's a distraction. It's a, it's very intentional. Yeah. Yeah. Barnes, Barnes has a lot of my cousin Vinnie in him on this.

Is just like, yeah, I'll throw anything at the wall. You know, I'll wear a weird suit. Fuck it. Yeah. But yeah, I don't think this is going to help at all legally, but it's very good for retaining the audience for business. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, so in this next clip, Alex makes an announcement, uh, about another sort of social media thing that he is on. And this led me down a rabbit hole that, uh, it was kind of interesting. That's the evil of these individuals, but you can overpower them. So subscribe star.com forward slash Alex Jones, document cam shot. There you go. Subscribestar.com forward slash Alex Jones. Please go there.

Even if it's $5 a month, that'll be added because listen, if I sell $100,000 with the product, but it's on sale and we only make $15,000 or $20,000, that doesn't fund something like this operation. But if something on subscribe star, where I get 95% of it, that's real money that I know that when you subscribe, you can cancel any time that I can budget to hire people and do things and pay for gas for an RV for more reporters to drive around the country and, and you know, cheap hotel rooms and hire more people.

This is the fight we're in. You don't need a hotel room and an RV. That's, uh, that's silly. That's excessive. Uh, you know, sometimes you need a, you need a good bed. Yeah. So this is, uh, and this is another piece of the, like, uh, announcing really publicly, I'm on telegram, but this is another one to subscribe star.

What is that? So on this episode, Alex is increasingly talking about being in really bad financial straits on all three of these episodes. He's doing so many goddamn commercials. The ads are flying around like insane. It's nuts. And he's even started a save info wars emergency sale where everything in store is half off, everything has free shipping and double Patriot points.

No way. That's bad news. It looks bad. This is not good. It needs cash. This is not good. Perhaps even worse than all that is this news that he's decided to join a crowdfunding website.

That's for people like us who don't pretend for a second to be successful and who advertisers have no interest in. It's not for the alleged king of ratings. The biggest thing in the world, like Alex Jones presents himself to be subscribe star is the Patreon for people who are too big of assholes to be on Patreon. You might find people like Sargon of a cod there, uh, that, that variety of folk. I'm sure there are some other people who use the site who aren't crazy, racist, uh, fuck head lunatics, but as best I can tell, it's most prominent in people's

consciousness because it's become the home for people who've been kicked off other crowdfunding websites because they're too big of assholes, which is says all you need to know about who's running it. I don't know. I actually don't know that. I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know enough about it to say. I would imagine that at least turning, they turn a blind eye to it. Yeah, uh, these assholes.

I understand why people like Sargon would try to rebuild their crowdfunding on a new platform because it's all he's got. He's someone who's in desperate need of a way to monetize his free speech con that he's operating. And if this is the place that happens, that makes sense. Alex Jones has a million dollar studio. He's presumably a news operation. It's very unbecoming for him to use a crowdfunding website to run his shit.

It's like when Zach Braff used Indiegogo to make a movie. Just doesn't feel like the proper use of the pro, uh, the platform. Anyway, I decided to check in on Alex's subscribe star account and things don't look great for him over there. The account has been active since at least May 15th, 2019. And as of this Thursday, he has only 129 people subscribing to him. His page has only been on shared on social media 112 times. This is almost non-existent engagement, especially when you consider

how large he pretends his audience is. He claims he has millions upon millions of listeners. And right now Alex is all over the cultural zeitgeist awareness. All of his fans would be very, very aware that he is in the middle of a legal battle that he is saying without people's support, his days are numbered. He said he's going to be dead in a year. If things go this way and yet all these millions of people out of them, 129 have answered the call to action.

They're probably already, uh, uh, on auto ship though. So you don't know that that's true. Ben Garrison has a subscribed star account and he has 33 donors. Owen Schreuer has 53. Jordan Peterson has 65. Mark Dice is coming in with a hot 36. Stefan Malinu has 27 and Laura Loomer's got 29 people on board. Shit.

Subscribestar itself has a Subscribestar account and they only have 22 subscribers. Only 22 people are signed up to support the platform that they're on. They all work for Subscribestar. Perhaps. Given those numbers, you might be inclined to say, well, that website clearly has 130 people on it. You know? Yeah.

It does seem like the idea that's like, uh, no one's on there. Right. It's not patron. Yeah. It's like, Hey, okay. Owen Schreuer's got 53 people, but if that's out of 130, that's a huge percentage. Right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I have bad news because there are some people who are doing pretty well on there. Paul Joseph Watson has 1,992 subscribers and Sargon has something around 3000. Oh, and what's interesting about that is that their existence proves that success is possible on that platform. Oh yeah.

And there are more people than are subscribing to these other people. So what's interesting there is they kind of demonstrate the Patreon doesn't have a monopoly because of their success. They disprove the very idea of their assumed victim hood because Sargon of a cod called Joseph Watson found ways to make this really work. Right. They prove that none of these other people who are listed are in any way the victims of some sort of a tech monopoly or anything like that.

Yeah. If they had active engaged fanbases like Sargon and Paul Joseph Watson did, they would probably be able to rise to the same level and they just don't. Yeah, that's not surprising. Yep. It's interesting. The victim hood narrative of these, these fellow travelers of Sargon and Paul Joseph Watson is heavily punctured by their own success.

Yeah. They have, they have really demonstrated that all those arguments are silly. Yeah. On the other hand, it does make sense for Sargon to have such a huge following because it's really all he has. So he has to pimp that out quite a bit more. Whereas Alex, I doubt anybody even really noticed that he had to subscribe star maybe until recently because he's more pushing this on Tuesday.

Right. And he's promoting it heavily. Right. Oh, he is. Yeah. And we're talking even now, they're still, ooh, that's not good. At least two days later from when that episode aired. That's not good.

No. I mean, 129 people supporting is great. I mean, I'm not, again, I come from a land of expecting nothing. Yeah, for sure. So 129 people isn't something to sneeze at. Like you do a comedy show, 129 people show up to a bar. It's pretty fucking amazing. It's pretty fucking amazing.

But not if you have millions of fans and it's digital. Right. 129 people show up to a theater very different than 129 people in a bar. Right. You're like John Mulaney and 129 people show up. It's a big problem. Real problem. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me, that's great. 100%. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's real. It's real interesting to me, this, this sort of thing. And it, it leads me to have some pretty serious suspicions about the size of his

audience. Yeah, I, we could be, we could be in punching down territory very quickly. I don't know. It's, it's one of those things that's a stray piece of information that you would expect to be very different. Yeah. If the reality as presented by Alex were true.

Yeah. I don't know what to do with that information. Got to look for more context clues. But in this next clip, Alex drives home the point that Norm has made, not Norm Barnes, but Barnes has made about this, you know, the idea is calling into question everything you know about Alex. You think you know, you have no idea to quote MTV. And then they read the substance of the articles.

Those that had access to it, not most people didn't, but those that did realize, oh my goodness, though, the entire thing is fake. It's entirely fake news. The headline is fake news. It's totally false. This is someone who is the victim that they're trying to portray as a perpetrator. It was completely insane and absurd, the level at which they went. And when people realized that, it then raised questions because what you had

been pointing out, what info wars have been pointing out. What various members of the dissident press have been pointing out is this is exactly what they've been doing for years and decade. They've been doing it not only for you. They've been doing it about anybody in the independent space who raises questions about whether it's bogus wars or bogus politics or other illicit activity being covered up by those in places of institutional power, willing to challenge and question establishment narratives that often do more harm than good.

Those, those attributes that now people have to rethink everything they've previously thought. So you have people on the left thinking, wow, if I could completely buy into a totally false headline, shared by all these institutional members of the press, shared by some of the biggest, most well respected members of the institutional press, and I was completely taken for a ride by it. What else might I have been wrong about? What else about Alex Jones?

My wrong, wrong, let's come back with the coup. So I apologize. I thought that Alex expressed that. I didn't realize it was just Barnes saying it again. But that's why this distinction is really important. That the headline is technically correct. Yeah. Like they don't like the idea that the Connecticut post has lied about Alex

isn't fair. Right. It's all about the insinuation. Right. They are, they're responding to what is in people's minds as opposed to what the Connecticut post actually did. And that distinction is very important. Yeah.

I, I have a new found respect for Barnes. Uh, he is, uh, not, not in a, uh, not in a good way. Uh, I just mean right now he sounds exactly like a movie evil lawyer. Like he is, he is hamming up his part really, really well. Whereas previously I thought he was just kind of a bloviating idiot. Well, he is that too. He is that too. Right.

I, but I thought he was just that. Right. It's nice to know that there are multiple facets to his criminal behavior. I mean, I've heard hours of him rambling with Alex. And this is, this is one of the first times that I've been like smooth Barnes. Smooth. Yeah. Yeah.

Cause this is, this is a, as far as spin goes, this is pretty good. I do still think it's trying to claim victory from the jaws of defeat. Of course. A bit, uh, in terms of, uh, this like, all right. They made a vaguely, uh, misleading, potentially misleading headlight about you. Now, how do we spin that into everything you've ever said is actually accurate? Yeah. And everyone lies about you.

Yeah. Can we bridge that gap? What if we take this little thread? Uh, and make a big giant tapestry of bullshit out of it. It's a big swing. Um, yeah. So, uh, in this next clip, we get off all this stuff, Barnes leaves. Alex says we're going to come back with a coup de gras.

There's no coup de gras. No, that doesn't sound right. Uh, but Alex wants to start covering the news. Okay. And, uh, although Roger Stone was on, uh, not too long ago and he said that Michelle Obama is going to come out of nowhere and be the Democratic candidate. It does sound like she is. Alex is still focused on Joe Biden.

Ah, what a fool. And, uh, Joe, uh, had a, had a little, little, uh, comment recently and, uh, Alex is making hay out of it, but let's get back to the threats of violence in your phone calls. Here's Joe Biden advocates real physical revolution to push through his political agenda. Yeah, the, talk about dog whistles, baby. Huh.

This is one you can hear. That's a declaration of physical war. Here it is. And so folks, look, if you start off with an ocean, there's nothing you can do. Well, might y'all go home then, man, or let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it, because we have to be able to change what we're doing within our system. So you see that, uh, real quick campaign.

Yeah, that did cut off real quick. And that's Soros funded and that's the radical communist part. So, um, first of all, I have zero interest in defending Joe Biden, but here's, uh, there's something particularly hilarious about Alex going on and on about the media dishonestly characterizing his situation vis-à-vis the Sandy Hook lawsuit that immediately proceeding to dishonestly characterize Joe Biden. I don't understand where, I don't understand where there's a problem. It's very, I don't understand the problem.

It's jarring. It's almost like he edited that clip and took it out of context. I think someone else did. And he just, uh, I was like, Ooh, good clip. Yeah. He doesn't do any work. Fair enough. So Biden was specifically saying, uh, uh, let's start a real physical revolution

as an example of something that we weren't going to do and something that was a bad idea. It was in the context of him explaining that there's a whole lot of negotiating that could be done with the GOP and that we need to change what we do specifically while doing it, quote, within our system, right? Where that clip cut out saying, uh, let's start a real physical revolution is almost an insult coming out of Biden's mouth. He might as well have said it while doing a jerk off motion.

That is exactly what he might as well have done. Yes. That's exactly when I read that headline, I was like, yeah, he's doing one of these. All right. Joe Biden was giving a strong defense of compromising with the GOP and this is how it's covered by someone like Alex Jones, as if you were triggering a literal communist violent revolution. Yeah.

This is a perfect case in point of why you can't win with propagandists. They will go on for an hour about how they're the victim of the deceptive media. And then without missing a beat, they switch into this being that same deceptive media, just targeting the person that their audience wants them to go after. It's hypocrisy on one level, but more accurately, it's a profound level of psychological abuse to subject anyone who trusts you to. Two completely separate realities are created just by editing that clip. People who see Biden's full comments will see a guy who for better or worse,

probably worse, is endorsing compromise and working within the system. The people who see the right wing smear version, like the one Alex just played and presented that way, will think the lamest of all candidates of the Democratic field is an out and out radical, just waiting to let loose his shock troops to the streets. This separation of folks is all Alex has ever really achieved in his life. And it is a sad waste. And it's all the more ironic coming from Biden's comments of we need to

reach across the aisle and work with these people. Totally. You know, hey, yeah, we need to reach across the aisle and work with the guy who literally just cut you saying that banal in incorrect statement and turned it into propaganda about how you are trying to kill them. Right. You're not going to reach across the aisle, Biden. There's an even more interesting dynamic to it, too, that it's like, no one's

calling for a violent revolution, but that's how Joe Biden is characterizing the farther left people as if that is a violent revolution. So he's mischaracterizing the actual like left. Yeah, everyone, everyone, but AOC is doing a bad job. And in his mischaracterization, it is then further mischaracterized by Alex to imply that Joe Biden is the violent communist uprising. Yeah. It's, uh, there's, there's, yeah.

Isn't that it's just the same shit from the Obama years of like there, it doesn't matter how hard you try and craft the Obamacare as a compromise. It doesn't matter. Yeah. They are going to call you a violent, evil socialist. The road must be twisted for some reason. Yeah, yeah, it's very unpleasant. Yeah.

That's the only piece of advice that I want to give every one of these people. Like, and it's, it's really only Warren and Sanders who are like, just fucking lean into it, man. Say what you think is the right thing to do and don't give a fuck what they're going to call it. Yeah, because they're just going to call it something. It doesn't matter. So Biden's out there calling for a violent revolution.

We've established that. Well, it's, it's his style. So now when this violent revolution comes, I mean, you've got to be worried about the Patriots. You've got to be worried about Alex has gone weirdo buddies. Do we? I think you should. Yeah, probably.

But you don't need to because the globalists have found a way to paralyze them and they're going to try to paralyze people fighting back. If we go to a hot revolution by saying you're racist, because they've tried to make it along racial lines so that minorities or the majority of most areas don't feel like they could be part of Americana. They inflict the real wound on them to be successful and have freedom and own a gun and, and, and, and to be happy is white and is evil. And has to get its systems shut down.

So again, I want to be very, very, very, very clear with everybody. I want to be very, very clear with everybody about all of this. We're going into the season of war. And they have been inches from shutting down the final mega counts we have due to their criminal activity and their, and their digital fraud. And we need to know that we've got capital to go six months a year. We need to end here. We need to be provisioned.

We broadcast. We need money. We broadcast. No, that's exactly what you want. Yeah, no, that's not, uh, no, that's not crazy. That's, uh, that's an ad pivot. Hey, Joe Biden's going to start a hot revolution. And then, you know, they're going to paralyze all my buddies by calling us

racists when that I'm going to say something kind of racist. Oh, insanely racist. And it's, it's, that should be a crime. What he just did right there should be a crime, like blaming the globalists for characterizing all of this shit as white and saying that that's why the minorities don't get it, as opposed to it being a perpetrated action that is perpetrated on a daily basis by you and your ilk. You have an interesting perspective on that's disgusting.

Yeah, that is so fucking great. That's, uh, that should be a crime. That's so gross. File that in the, uh, sort of white identity, white supremacist trend on this episode. Wow. It's going to get way worse. Um, so in this next clip, Alex pretends that he's going to, uh, to sue the Connecticut post, uh, which is just file that in the list of, uh, that idle

threats that Alex makes about lawcraft. Barnes hits the cash register one more time. Now we know how this works. We know who to assume. Uh, it's the Connecticut post. They're the ones that put out the big disinformation statements that then the rest of the media picks up and then the judge, whether she's ignorant or whatever, goes with it as if it came out of the mouth of God.

That's not a good idea to insult the judge. And so they're there saying that offered a million dollars for the head of this lawyer. When I said there's a reward for who sent us the child porn and we don't know who it is, and it's clear that I'm mad at them because of the discovery process, but I'm not calling for violence against them, but that doesn't matter. They clip and they paste and they manipulate and they go in because again, I'm the bad guy.

Look at this headline. Judge says apology from Alex Jones's lawyer in Sandy case hook falls short. So what is it saying? Oh, I'm sorry. And then it goes to say that I said the families did it. They always hide behind the families. I never said the families sent that in. I said the lawyer sent that.

I said it's very, very suspicious. And I said, I'm going to find out who did it. And I'd love to see their head on a pike. That's a figure of speech. It's a figure of speech. Okay. All right, we're good. Then I think everybody's good.

I think that anybody who got the message or the idea that the families are reset to the families. Yeah. That's misreading of stuff. Yeah. But I understand why he would be sensitive about that appearance because that would be a profoundly fucked up. Oh, yeah.

That'd be insane. And so if people were accusing him of that, I think that's a good thing. If people were accusing him of that, like if the paper was actually saying that, I would understand responding very poorly to that. Yeah, that would be, that would be libel or yeah. Yeah, he probably could sue them. Yeah, he could sue them if they did that. As it stands, can't sue.

I don't think there's a lawsuit here. No. So in this next clip, we get more information about that idea that he didn't threaten this lawyer, Chris Maddy. And I don't think this works. I think this would be tough to argue, not on a radio show. The Connecticut Post, they said I was talking about this. Maddy guy.

Because his article was sitting there and I was banging the table. And his face was on the table. Give me a break. I bang the table when my face is on it. Does that mean I'm going to get Alex Jones? Give me a break. Give me a break. Let's hear that again from Friday's show exactly how he did this,

just to show how much of a fucking bullshit artist he is. The point is that somebody directed child pornography into your email accounts, hoping that you would open it so that when you opened it, there would be direct evidence that you had viewed knowingly and possessed child porn. And then now, magically, they want metadata out of hundreds of thousands of emails they got and they know right where to go. What a nice group of Democrats. How surprising.

What nice people. Chris Maddy. Chris Maddy. Let's zoom in on Chris Maddy. Oh, nice little Chris Maddy. What a good American. What a good boy. You think you'll put on me?

What? Anyways, I'm done. Total war. Yeah, man. This picture just happened to be on the... I mean, this is complete bullshit that anyone would say. And he's targeted at him or implying that he's the person who's responsible for... It's bullshit.

He literally stopped himself from saying, I'm going to kill him. Yeah. Or it could have been a git, maybe, but it did sound more like a K. Yeah, he got a K in there. I wouldn't die on that hill, but it does sound more like a probably kill. Yeah, I'm going to lean towards that one. Yeah.

So yeah, this is bullshit. The idea that like, oh, the article just happened to be on camera. Also, you are going to kill Alex Jones, Alex. But this, this to me is indicative of how serious he realizes this is. Oh, yeah. Like he really needs to try and dance away from the... I was implying that the opposing council should be killed for a million dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He really needs that to be the case, because otherwise, like, he is... He's a nut. I don't know how else to put it. He's crazy. And unfortunately, he's crazy because he did that shit. You know, sometimes just saying the truth could be really, really funny. I mean, he has to desperately fight back against reality because reality is bleak. Oh, and it's come and get him.

Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex retells what happened on Friday, on his Friday show. And in this new retelling, he didn't think the lawyers or Chris Maddie was behind it. It was the globalists. No, I mean, I legitimately got mad on Friday. It was the fourth hour of an argument with these French reporters, and I just kind of conflate and mix everything together. I know I'm mad at them persecuting me and I'm mad whoever planted it.

And I think it's suspicious that they went and found all these hidden links and they're trying to spin it, you know, like, like I knew what was going off. An email, somebody sent me that we never opened. No one's about that. So I just blow up and I say, whoever has done this, I want to, I want to get you busted. You know, big reward. I want to put your head on a pipe. That's figurative.

And because of the nature of the fact that they're losing these suits and everything they say isn't true, they're like, ah, bonanza. Now we'll misrepresent this, but it's all going to come out. They're trying to get me charged for emails that I was sent about Sandy Hook death-threading me that I never opened that had hidden links in them that they then found. I think they're scared, not these particular lawyers, but the whole system that whoever did send this is part of the establishment. And look, it's a hundred thousand dollar reward because the legal way to do it is

you can't say a hundred thousand for arrest, a million for reward. Because then people might say testimony that is a true for the conviction. Yeah, I don't have a million dollars extra laying around here. So I was mad. I was, I was wild. I, you know, so I mean, like that, that's, that's cockamamie nonsense. But, you know, I, I listening to that, I think I, here's what I theorize is what's going on with him right now through that.

He has had it clearly explained to him the consequences for what he did, but he cannot comprehend what he did on Friday's show. Yeah. Yeah. He's had it explained to him clearly, but he can't actually comprehend what he did that was wrong. He has to like, this isn't him spinning it. I don't think I think he genuinely believes that they are doing, that they planted the, the child porn or whatever.

And that's what they're doing with everything else. He doesn't understand. I agree with you that he still thinks that the people who are trying because he thinks that the fucking Hillary Clinton's running the law for that's suing him. Right. So like, but I don't know if he really thinks that one. I think he has to. I just don't know.

It's, I don't know what he believes is going on at any given point in time. Yeah. One of the difficulties is like he's nuts, but like what, what level? Yeah. I mean, how delusional is he? Yeah. You know, yeah. And that's a difficult line to figure out exactly.

Cause some of it could be opportunistic spin. I don't know, but if you just go based on the things he says, he believes that Hillary Clinton and the globalists are behind the law firms that are suing him to try and take him down. So even if he shifts it from, I don't believe it's these lawyers, but it's part of the establishment that's still the people who are suing. Yeah, it doesn't change anything about his conspiracy of victimization. That is fun.

That even if he is apologizing or trying to deflect blame back to the globalist, he's already called them globalists. So there's no, there's no escape here. That doesn't make anything better. No, just rephrase. Yeah. Yeah. So, but there is one party that does get the blame and maybe accurately so. And that is these goddamn French people.

What did the French people do? Well, if you'll recall on our Monday episode, going over his Friday episode, he does bring up God damn it. These French people are there. He does. I didn't know he was arguing with them. I didn't either. I just thought it was the weirdest non sequitur on Friday's episode. That was hilarious.

That he had let a French crew in there that he regretted them being there and hated it. Yeah. It turns out he got into an argument with them and he talks a little bit more about that and blames them for him blowing up on there. Of course. It was too much. These French and I love French people, but those are the smarmy ones. The leftist ones.

The anti gun ones, you know, seems to be around here that I had really even green lighted being here and then Norm's plane was late. So he wasn't here with them. And I just blew up and I blew up with them too. Is there you'll get to my face later that that video is up on info wars.com. And at just a certain point, they're liars. They said they weren't coming here for what they said. I have their emails.

So I kept just making the joke. Go back to your, you know, Islamic Caliphate of France. Good joke. They're all just shots, ladies and gentlemen. There's Norm finally got their latest plane was delayed. And so I blew up at them and then I go blow up on air because it's like once you like to fuse, man, once the once the volcano goes off, you know, that's the end of it.

You need help. Yeah. That's that's being like a really rage filled. Yeah. Yeah. That's somebody who needs psychiatric care. Yeah. Yeah.

Or yoga. I don't know any number of things. Something called Diamond Dallas page. Yeah. If he could fucking fix Scott Hall up, he could help Alex. I think that would be great. DDP does miracles. Oh my God, let's start this.

Let's send Alex a bunch of DDP yoga DVDs. I'm fine with that. What, what if that would be crazy if that like really turned him around? That would be fun. That's a big get for you, DDP. Yeah, if you do that listening, I know that we have some wrestling fans in the audience, but I don't know if Diamond Dallas page listens. But if he does got a request, help Alex, help Alex because it's tough, man.

He already predicted his own death earlier. And now in this next clip, like I, he talks very fatalistically a lot of the time. But this is one of the instances where I really feel like this is this feels like a real concern of his. I have a plan. We're going to have guest hosted people, but also we're going to round table listeners every day that get to co-host part of the show and the rest of it. Because I mean, I am having to prepare for no longer being on the year.

I don't want to have to get to that point, but we've put in a hell of a fight against the enemy and I tend to be here another 10 years. But this is dark, dark days, folks. And people don't know what's going on behind the scenes and things. I can't really fill you in, but thank you so much, sir. I appreciate your call. So I think, I think that is in line with your idea of like, he does understand the severity of the situation, but he can't.

Yeah, you can't show ass. He can't admit responsibility. Um, but there is a feeling that like this might be, this might be about it. Yeah, this might be the one, huh? Because think about it. If we're like far off from the actual trial and he's freaking out like this about something that he is right about the, like the idea of these emails being sent to him, what the fuck is he going to do on the stand?

What the fuck is he going to do as the trial date gets closer? Oh man, the amount of pressure that he's in abstractly now is going to intensify. Like I think, I think on some level, what you hear there, I have to prepare for not being on the air is a sense of like, I got to take myself out of the game. Maybe pretty much. I don't know. I feel, I feel the real if he's, if he's asking people to take him to rebroadcast because he can't trust himself on the air.

Yeah, that means that there have to be people who are like, Hey, maybe you shouldn't be on the air. Yeah, I mean, maybe you shouldn't be on the air period. Maybe those people that we've rightly pointed the finger at for not, you know, stopping him have finally been like, we got to sit you down and be like, Alex, this has gone too far. Yeah, maybe, I don't know. Interesting.

Yeah, that'll be a transition. So now that Connecticut post article with the misleading headline was bad. I think, or at least it was unproductive. It wasn't, they didn't do anything wrong necessarily, but it's that kind of coverage of Alex that I think is awful. Unfortunately, later in the day on June 18th, Alex gets exactly what he needs. And that is someone does write a false headline. No, God damn it.

Is the onion. I am now experiencing only President Trump has experienced or only what a nation about to be innovated. That's being lied about as experienced. Headlines are coming in by the minute that are complete lies. Ladies and gentlemen, the top Twitter story in trending. And also when you search my name is father of Sandy Hook victim wins defamation lawsuit against Alex Jones.

It goes on to say I wrote a book called Nobody Died at Sandy Hook. Ladies and gentlemen, that is totally insane. No one's won a lawsuit. They got the name wrong. So what ended up happening here and Alex is going to, we're going to hear him talk about this a little bit more. He's arguing that the Associated Press put out that article about him and that they're defaming him as saying that he wrote this book that was written by

James Fetzer. Yeah. Um, and that, uh, but because the Sandy Hook, uh, I believe it was just Pawsner, I'm not entirely sure there might have been more families, but they did win a case against, uh, the, the writers of that book. Yeah, I read that one. Um, and so not the book, no, the Associated Press article is about that. It's about that case that, uh, the families won right now.

Market watch, uh, we posted the article and they misattributed the, the headline was rewritten and then in the sub headline, it says Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist and wrote the book, Ron died at Sandy Hook, completely fucked up, totally wrong. The body of the article is exactly the same as the Associated Press. Right. They just rewrote the headline and did, uh, the worst job possible. And I don't know how this is possible, but while I was preparing this

episode, Thursday morning, I checked that article is still up on market. That can't be real. That is nuts. That it still says Alex Jones on it. No way. And nobody is current. And I think that there's a reason why, and we'll get to that here in a little bit, uh, but Alex thinks that the globalists wrote this story as a magical

act. Okay, it's lesser magic. But that sounds right. That, uh, they're doing what they believe in is like this weird Harry Potter magic, because they're into the occult, they call it lesser magic. They believe if they say, I lose lawsuits, it makes it happen because people then just believe I'm already convicted next level. Get Barnes on.

I know Watson's taken over. Pat is in court right now where the judge is trying to figure out how to put me in jail. Get me Robert Barnes. He was just on, he was there. He was just on the show. Jesus. Uh, you can get double billed.

Um, but yeah, I don't think it's magic. I think it's just a shitty editor over at market watch, which isn't too surprising. Market watches had a lot, uh, not a lot maybe, but I definitely run into some dubious, uh, stuff over there in my Alex Jones research, um, various topics he covers. And he uses them as a source fairly regularly. So like, I don't know, I think it's just a huge fuck up on whoever was editing market watch and unacceptable, uh, unbelievably, but just boneheaded. I don't know other, I don't know how else to put it.

It's like, you just gave Alex exactly what he needs. If I were Alex, I would say that they were working with Alex because it's how do you justify your victim hood and that the media is lying about you? Well, get one example of the media line about you and then say hundreds of articles have the same headline. Right. And not just that, but I am guessing that he is not shooting out cease and desist to market market watch.

If it's still up there, which kind of suggests he is totally cool with it being up there. Well, we'll get to what they do once we get to the 19th, because they, they don't, they don't follow the right path on this one. Okay. Uh, but before we get to that, we have one more clip from the 18th and it's just Alex sort of freaking out. And then I say, I'm suspicious of this.

There's a big reward out and they say, oh my God, boy, we'll teach you Texans. We'll teach you dirty dogs. A good trick. You think your big mouth leader is going to take our power? Never. Ah, good. Good. Good.

This is great. Right. Treason then. Oh man, these people are unbelievable. They're just starting to one up each other. Well, let's say he lost a lawsuit. Yeah. Let's say you wrote a book.

Yeah, that'll be good. Yeah. Let's say you wrote a book as an insult to him. It's just market watch, man. I mean, it's not like, I wouldn't put up with that either, but like, it's not everybody. It's just a fucking shitty headline on market watch. Yeah.

Um, but the, one of the things that, and the reasons I wanted to play that clip was, um, I think that people could very, uh, I, I, I, I could see the audience or someone in the audience thinking that we think every time he freaks out, he's drunk. That was sober. Yeah. No, that was definitely not drunk. I just want to be clear that there is a very, there's a distinction between

like his drunk behaviors and then just that, that's how he flips out performatively and just has a little freak out and does a little voice. Yeah. Very different. It's kind of strange to be, uh, so intimately familiar with somebody's quirks, despite having never met them. Well, I mean, I think audio is such a, like an intimate medium. You can, you really get the sense for people's rhythms and patterns and stuff.

I think, I think it's not, Alex, he's no different. Yeah. No, I think it's a common experience. You know, everybody does it with their, their own podcasts, you know, you listen to somebody's voice for so long and you think you already know. Yep. So, uh, we get to this 19th now and, uh, on the evening of the 18th, Trump had his rally in Orlando.

Yes. Where he told all kinds of true things. Oh my God. He was so true. All the, all the truths, I can't wait for him to defeat Hillary in 2016. God, it's going to be amazing. Uh, so, you know, he had his rally and Alex starts the show, uh, with just a bunch of clips from the rally.

Uh, and then Alex starts talking about how Trump is a throwback. That said, though, Trump is 73 now and he comes from a very conservative family and by that very old fashioned, his father and mother and Trump's a dinosaur. Now that's a good thing. It's good to have a throwback because, you know, the old fashioned system he follows is the vanguard of Western culture. The system we have now is a corrupt, collapsing, leftist, uh, system of cancer

from within. So if you take that, it's hard to square that with like, you know, Trump's dad's ideas about eugenics. Um, a lot of those other elements of, uh, of his life, he's a real throwback to Herbert Hoover. Dan, well, he's a, like Alex is expressing that he's a throwback to like the good part of America. If you hear that, you have to either assume that Alex doesn't know anything

or he does and the throwback to the good part of America is the part where Trump said that the central park five should be executed. Yep. And I think that's what he's saying. I'm pretty sure it is. Yes. So also at this period, uh, there's a lot of talk about whether or not the, uh, camps where people are being sent to these immigrants, whether they're a

concentration camps or not, I have no patience for this argument. I hate everyone. Um, I think Alex is probably the worst angle on it. Oh yeah. Oh, I didn't even consider what Alex's angle would be. Well, now top Democrats are coming out with official talking points on MSNBC and CNN. We're going to play those after the break saying that it's all a giant

concentration camp. Let me explain something to the left as to, I know, know they're lying. How do you tell before their lips even move? You know, they're up their father, the devil figuratively and archetypally and in reality as well. You don't fight to get into a concentration camp. You don't fight to get into a country that's bad. So, I mean, we, hey, we got it.

Okay. They're not, hey, cool. That's, that's it. That's what he's got. Yeah, man. I like it. Definitionally, people are trying to immigrate here, air go, whatever happens to them is exactly what they wanted to happen.

I, I think I prefer that argument to other conservative people trying to split hairs over fucking connotation. I think that when you start to look at it a little bit more, it falls apart. Oh, no, no, no, it makes no sense. Well, because I mean, like, let's say start killing people and immigration doesn't stop while they must want to be exactly. Yeah, no, it's stupid, very stupid. Insane, but it's dumb in a way that I prefer.

Sure. I mean, it's still just justifying something atrocious. So in this next clip, this is maybe a Mike down clip because I think this is one of the closest things we've come to Alex, like expressing overt white supremacy being masked as the West is the best kind of ideas. I think that you could, you could make a pretty strong argument that this is even though Alex does say it's not about skin color in the middle. Sure, sure, sure, sure.

I still think you can make a pretty strong argument. This is about white supremacy. Uh-huh. I also think you can make a really strong argument that this is about Christianity versus Islam. Okay. But at the same time, whatever it is, it's my team is superior to your team and it's very blunt.

It's the West that ended slavery. It's the West that went in and taught people in Africa to stop eating themselves. Because we were doing it to a thousand years before, but Christianity changed that and then due process and rule of law changed all that. And in the fourth hour today, I'm going to be hosting. I'm going to get into the rule of law and why it's so important and why the West is committing suicide and may be too far gone, but can, we can still have pockets of the West and the West is ideas and culture, not color, but if you

don't celebrate it and admit it's superiority, you will be destroyed by the systems that are in theory. We all must recognize systems that are superior or be destroyed. That's so fucked up. Also, did he just advocate for a new Rhodesia? I think he always has been. Yeah, well, that's fair. Yeah.

It's buddy Bob Chapman. He used to live there. He loved it. He loved it. Yeah. Great. It's like a summer camp. Jordan.

That's a white nationalist as shit. He's calling people savages, Christian white supremacists really like to just make up their own history. Yeah. Love it. They are big fans. Yeah. The piece that I really find the most troubling is actually the part where

he says it's not about color because he then immediately says that like you have to recognize that the West system is the superior system and celebrate it or be destroyed. Right. Right. So that kind of is like if you look, you could, you can hang around if you're any color or anything. But if you don't recognize that our Western system, which is white, is the

superior system, you got to be a white supremacist, even if you're the Mexican or black or you got to understand that there's a hierarchy down and they truly believe that it's that's, that's a troubling thing to hear expressed. So openly, yeah, by Alex. Yeah, that's a man. And it doesn't even make, it doesn't even rank for him. America was not ready for a black president. It doesn't even rank in terms of like the trouble he has.

No, I know. It might be the best time for him to go full on. Yeah. Like, cause no one's going to notice. He just starts throwing slurs around like everyone's like, we got too much to cover. I don't know. So he gets back to this story here in this next clip, the one about the, the

Fetzer lawsuit that is being mischaracterized by market watch. Sure. Sure. And so he talks about that a little bit. They say now, I want that to sink in. I want that to sink in real good. They made it the front story. The top of Yahoo for several hours, but the front page of Yahoo all day.

And in AP all over the country that I wrote a book called Nobody Died at Sandy Hook that I've never read or touched. And then I lost a lawsuit. Ladies and gentlemen. What deception? Oh, oh, this is the whole globalist plot right there. Look, it's the only thing he can prove. Yeah.

You know, like you got to make this like so important because it's like, this is actually true. Yeah, yeah. That's that market watch did fuck up and make that the headline. I mean, it's really disappointing all in all. But the thing that's still fucked up is that he's sort of implying that there's a conspiracy around pushing this one article that has a bad headline. When I don't think that I don't know that that was the, that certainly wasn't

the headline I saw popping up the most. And, and, and also like it implies that all of these things like the top of Yahoo and Twitter trends, they're all controlled by the same people who wanted to force this market watch headline out there. Yeah. I don't know. They are. And do you know, boy, it rhymes with ruse is who he thinks is doing it.

Possibly. Jesus. So in this next clip, Owen Troyer shows up to make a big announcement and spoiler alert. It's that he's also on subscribe star. Okay, well, good for him. They talk a little bit about that Fetzer story and the bad market watch headline and really make a meal out of it.

Owen Troyer, who hosts the war room, 3pm every day, is here with us riding shotgun in the next part of this segment, the next to announce something important. And I want to be very, very clear about all of this. Let me be clear. It's that he's on subscribe star. Okay. In the fight against the globalist diversification and having many legs to a stool is critical.

You know, they've been trying for years to shut down info wars and really going to incredible links to do it. The latest huge hoax stories that I've lost lawsuits, huge hoax stories that I'm sending child porn to people, just really dangerous stuff that signifies they're getting ready to try to physically remove Trump and all of his key supporters. They wouldn't be this reckless with the things they're currently doing. If they weren't about to pull the trigger again, AP, it's still the top of Twitter. So we're talking 24 hours later.

Please put it on screen for TV viewers. Twitter has the fake news story associated press father of Sandy Hook victim wins defamation lawsuit against Alex Jones. Alex Jones is the host of conspiracy driven info wars website and wrote a book titled nobody died at Sandy Hook. So he's a source or he's attributing this to the Associated Press, which is not correct. That is absolutely incorrect.

And he's saying that it's an indication that Trump is about to be taken out, which I am so tired of hearing. Alex has said that literally anytime anything looks a little bad for him. It's an indication that Trump is about to be taken out. He said it before Trump was inaugurated. Yeah, he said they're going to fly helicopters into the inauguration. Exactly. Because of COG.

Yeah, continuity. Haven't heard much about that lately. I haven't heard anything about COG recently. Curious. So in this next clip, it gets even more extreme in terms of what's going to happen because of this one headline being evidence of the tide. So I'm going to say this again, please put it on screen for TV viewers. Hit me.

The top of Twitter since yesterday morning is a AP article that says that I wrote a book about Sandy Hook not happening and I lost the lawsuit and that I'm involved in child porn. None of it is true, ladies and gentlemen. Now, what does that mean? It means they may be getting ready to kill Trump within days. I'm telling you, they don't do stuff like that. We've called AP.

I'm going to say it again. I have had lawyers call AP and say that is not our book. We did not lose a lawsuit and they go, we've called up to higher ups. They just say it's staying up. But you know, it's not true. Jones didn't write this book. They go, we don't care. That's the way it is now.

So I mean, this is next level, my friend. This is next level. So he's saying that he and his lawyers contacted the Associated Press when it's market watches headline. There's nothing wrong with the Associated Press story from what I looked at. It didn't seem like there was a correction on it. Didn't seem like the story was updated like they, you know, it's market watch. Right.

You don't contact the Associated Press. To get them to fix some article that someone took from the Associated Press. You contact the outlet and Alex doesn't want to do that because he wants the market watch headline to stay up and he wants his cake and eat it too. To be able to say, we went there. We told him to take it down and they said, no. Yeah. That has to be it.

A hundred percent. Otherwise, otherwise his lawyers are really, really stupid. This is a, this is a propaganda coup for him. This is a big win. Yeah. Yeah. The idea that like, oh, they're doing this scythe up on me. Right.

He would, he probably wants to do everything in his power to, first of all, not mention that it's a market watch headline. And second, make sure no one contacts market right, right, right. He wants his lawyers to contact the AP as a formality and then bask in the victimhood of a poorly written headline. Either that or his lawyers are exactly like those dumb, dumb Christians who emailed Netflix to try and get Amazon's good omens canceled. That's just a good strategy.

Yeah. So Barnes is back here on the 19th. Of course he is on every day. What is he doing? Man, he's just raking it in. So in this, in this clip, Alex misrepresents the, the nature of this being an associated press headline. And it's, I guess, implied from this that Barnes is the one who contacted the

associated press and because Barnes doesn't correct him, I'm pretty sure it's all a facade. Okay. We're about to go to break. Come back with Robert Barnes, Bob. So much has happened and I know you're going to have some updates for us on the other side, but first off, they're still running AP articles saying that I lost a lawsuit and that I wrote a book.

I didn't write it's still the front of Twitter. That means this must be on purpose. The front of. No doubt. So no, no doubt, no doubt, no doubt, no doubt. Not a correction about a Alex. It wasn't the associated press. You are misrepresenting that it was market watch.

No conversation of what is the front of Twitter. Yep. I think it's all a charade scam. Barnes is such a fucking scam lawyer. I, I cannot imagine tricks. I cannot imagine a more fucking uncouth lawyer. Yeah. He's unreal.

Yeah. He's making his, his bucks today, though. This, like the idea of allowing Alex to present it as like, yeah, my lawyers called the associated press and they said, this is just the way it is now. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that he doesn't be like, Hey, Alex, you're implying that I called them and that's what I reported.

They told me and that's fucked up. No doubt Alex and that he's able to build that. If this is not true about Alex, all things are up for grabs. Like that's good work. So we have one last clip here from the 19th and it's Alex swing in real hard for the fences, trying to argue that he didn't say it was Chris Maddie who sent him that stuff. Even though he very, very heavily implied that it was.

Me thinks they protest too much. I did not say Chris Maddie was to send it to me, but then the media said it was him. And now he's bought into that narrative as the victim. Correct. Yes. And I think so even great work, Barnes, Barnes is allowing Alex to push this. And I think a big part of it is like what we keep sort of dancing around a little bit and mentioning it, the idea that I think Alex realizes that like if allowed

to stand, the idea that I did what I did is so fucked up, so fucked up. The consequences of that could be so severe. And if someone had hurt Chris Maddie, like the, like let's assume someone like, I don't know, throws a rock through his window, something along those lines. Wow. We've never seen any info wars. They had to get violent. Never.

Never. But like assuming that something like that could have happened, the consequences Alex could have faced would have been so serious. And let's not forget about the idea that the case about the Sandy Hook stuff is about people who harassed these families. Yep. The idea that, that he would be doing that to the lawyer might prejudice, of the court about like, Oh, that seems to be what you do.

Yeah. Let's say, Oh, you're trying to defend yourself that you didn't send people to harass these families, but in defending yourself, you're sending people to harass the lawyer who's defending those. See, that's what happens when you accuse me of sending people to harass people. The only way I can prove to you that I didn't is by doing it this time. Yeah. I think he recognizes how fucked he is if things don't go right.

And he's starting to prepare a little bit. And it's interesting. The preparations are sort of threefold. One is publicly tipped, dipping his toe into the, I might be dead in a year. I have to prepare to get off air. The, the, I've told the staff to hit the cough button. If I start freaking out, those sorts of things, I have not heard those. I mean, some of the fatalistic, I'm going to be dead soon.

He's for sure. Yeah. But that was in a different when he's down. Yeah, you hear that. Yeah. But the other stuff, I've, I don't know if I've heard him say like, I've had to get, I've had to tell people to save me from myself. Yeah.

Getting a, giving away any of his authority and saying it's a public seems bananas very out of character. Yeah. So that's the first prong of it. The second is intense like ads and sales, like desperate sales and the crowd funding and all of his reporters getting on crowdfunding stuff. It's, that's not good. That, that seems pretty insane.

Man, I halfway think that Barnes is trying to single white female him. Like he's just egging him on. Just like, yeah, commit more crimes, commit more crimes. And he's going on the show every single day. You know what, you know what, like it's really feeling like Barnes is just going to be like, Hey man, you got to take some time off. But do you know who can, who best can defend you publicly? I can, you know, and I'll be hosting the first three hours for the next week.

Alex does say he's getting ready to give Barnes a show. So you might be right. He might be trying to fucking people up, man. He might be trying to take over the operation. I think Barnes is the most evil person in this entire fucking story. Sneakily trying to take over inforce on behalf of his publication, human events. What a fucking monster genius. Oh, so that may be what's happening.

The, I don't know, I find this very boring on one level. Like the, the, his response. I think there's some flare ups that are kind of interesting, but in terms of this, it's like this is like a real calm before something really bad. Yeah. This is a, this, these trends do not go in a good direction. The overtness of some of this, this white nationalism is jarring and unpleasant. But then all the other just sort of lying and defending himself is, you know,

par for the course. I think the only thing that's different about it than any other times is like, first of all, very rare for him to have a legitimate defense, right? Like that market watch article, and then the possibly misleading Connecticut post headline that isn't inaccurate, just whatever. Yeah. It's rare for him to have like, ah, decent point. Yeah.

And that's, that's strange. And then it's also rare to really see what appears to be fear. Yeah. Like, that's exactly what I was thinking. Sincere fear. He really does it, like, cause he's not pulling the blustery like, I'll fight this in court till I die. This is the hill that I end on.

This is like genuinely like, I made a huge mistake. I had something. I never have something. I have nothing. And I have turned nothing into a mountain of fucking gold. And the one time I am handed a layup. I turn it into a fucking nail in the coffin in the opposite direction. Yeah.

God, that is such a disappointment. Yep. He kind of feel it. He's going to be reliving that day for the rest of his life. Yep. So it's like that poker hand. Yeah. Fucked up.

Yep. 100%. Well, we'll see what happens. But I am now getting out of the present, I think on Monday, we will be back in the past because I am sick of this shit. Oh, hell yeah. Um, I mean. So long as he doesn't crazy thing happening.

But if Barnes kills him, then we're going to have to cover Barnes's info or show. And I'm not going to enjoy that. I know. I promise this to the audience. We will not become a Robert Barnes podcast. That is not the direction this is going to go. I assure you of that. So before we get out of here, Jordan, I think we should say thank you to some more donors.

I absolutely agree with you. All right. Let's let's do this. First, Jim, you're now a policy walk. Thank you. I'm a policy walk. Thanks, Jim, Jimmy, Jimmy. Next, Robert, thank you so much.

You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you, Robert. Thanks, Bob. Next, Seb, not Gorka. The Seb, Seb, you're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you.

Thank you, Seb. Sebby man. That Robert could be Barnes donating to our podcast just in the hopes of he's diversifying. He's donated to our podcast, trying to take Alex in any way, take him down in any way he can. I don't, I don't think it is, but if it is, we still appreciate it. Thanks, Barnes.

Next, Susanna. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you, Susanna. Thanks, Susanna. Next, let's switch things up. What?

Go with Nick. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right, we got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson.

All right, let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Nick. Thank you, Nick. Next, Jamie.

Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. I feel like there's a Jamie on every season of the real world. There's a Jamie on every, I've never watched the real world. What? 100% never watched the real world. Never one episode.

I have watched a few like trailers and that is it. I don't understand, man. I know you're over the age where you should have. You're only three years younger than me. I don't know what happened. It just somehow missed me entirely. Wow. All right.

In that case, we got to say, thank you to Michael. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you, Mikey. Thanks, Michael. I feel like there's a Michael on every season of Survivor. You're not wrong. I've seen a bunch of them.

Next, Charlie. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Charlie, great character on Lost. You've only seen two episodes. I saw three. We fell asleep through the fourth.

Okay. Well, Charlie is a good character on Lost. Sure. He's not great at the beginning. I don't think but he grows on you. Oh, sure he does. Next, Takonius. You are now a policy walk.

I'm a policy walk. There's always a Takonius. On every season of American Ninja Warrior. Next, Aaron. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. Crikey, Mike.

That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right, we got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right, let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large.

I declare info war on you. Thank you, Aaron. Thank you very much, Aaron. Next, we've got two fun names to close this out. Okay. You are technocrats. Okay. This is very exciting.

First, someone who bumped up their donation a little bit. We appreciate it very much. This is a Creole oil Santa Claus. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, Mike. That's fantastic.

Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right, we got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right, let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you.

Thank you, Creole oil Santa Claus. Thank you very much, Creole oil Santa Claus. And now finally, we get to our last one. And this is in reference to... This is an attack on me. Okay. This name. All right.

And I will accept... I will say thank you and I appreciate their support. But I will not sign off on the sentiment that is being expressed by this name. It is something that I stand against. Okay. But thank you very much. Banana milk is God sent. I'm a policy wonk.

Crikey, Mike. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right, we got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin.

Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you. Banana milk is God sent. Thank you. I refuse to speak thy name. Get behind me.

I like... Banana milk. Gross. I like strawberry milk. I like chocolate milk. Gross. Milk milk. I like soy milk even.

I like almond milk. Let's see what else. I like what's that horchata? I like horchata. Where else are we going to go? I can't think of any more milks. I like salsa. Sure.

I love it. Getting hungry. Banana milk is atrocious. But thank you anyway. We appreciate it. Yeah. All right. That was that was I don't I don't I don't know if that was

annoying to listen to for the audience. Sorry if it was, but we appreciate everyone's support. We have a website. I was just thinking about how that this whole like drops thanking everybody on our Patreon. These are all things that we did mainly because we thought no one would ever listen to. Yes.

Now it is. You've backed ourselves to the corner. Yep. We can't take it away from anyone. We've already made an implicit promise. We appreciate everyone and it's a lot of drops. And I swear to God, we will get to all of you. And if you would like to get your own policy walk drop,

go to our website. He said that at the beginning. That is right. Dot com. That is our website. Indeed. We're also on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight and I'm at go to bed.

Jordan. We are not on telegram. We are not on telegram. Also not on. What was it? Subscribe star. That's it. Yeah, there we go.

I completely forgot. My brain was thinking spreadsheet wasn't good. Yeah, but we are on Facebook. We are on Facebook. We can also download our podcast on iTunes. Not on bit shoot. No, no, not on bit shoot. All those fun places.

Not going to get them on gab. Certainly not. So who do we got today? I mean, a lot of barns going on. Got a lot of barns. Did we say Chris Maddie on the on Friday? I think we did. Yeah, we might have.

Or did we say norm? I owe his norm. I think it's like Chris Maddie is cool as shit. Yeah, Chris Maddie hasn't killed anybody, but one guy who technically probably has. Is that guy? Alex Jones. And Ian Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.