Knowledge Fight - #314: February 14-15, 2013

Episode Date: June 28, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan dip back into the past to continue to explore Alex Jones' behavior in the weeks after Sandy Hook. In this installment, the gents learn that Alex's messed up feelings about racial birth rates is not a new area of interest. Also, Alex gets real wishy-washy about a potential extinction level event, and Dan becomes obsessed with repeat callers.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan. Dan! Jordan. Have you ever read the left-behind novel series? Yeah. Yeah, I have. Have you? Well, I've read. Like, how many do you read?

One or two of them. I don't remember how many there are, total. I think there's, like, 10. Yeah, I think so. It's like Harry Potter, but for pre-and post-trip. I thought they were trash, even though I was in that community growing up, like the evangelical community. I thought they were a little bit stupid.

And one thing that I thought was really great is that my dad is a religious studies professor. And so I found this out later in life, because I was going through my dad's... I wasn't going through their house, but I was in their house. And I saw that, first of all, he had a copy of the Da Vinci code. And I was like, Dad, what are you doing with that? He was like, everyone told me I had to read, it sucks.

Right, right, right, right, okay, okay, okay. And then I found a copy of Left Behind, not the book. I think it was, like, a copy of the DVD, but it was, like, this collector's edition type of thing. Really? Yeah, and I was like, Dad, why the fuck do you have this? This is, you don't believe in this kind of garbage. He's like, I don't know why I have that.

Someone, the company that made it, apparently, sent it to him. Hoping to get some sort of an endorsement. They sent him swag? In order for him to promote it? Yeah, hoping to get, like, a blurb or something, I think. And he gave them a firm, no thank you, which I thought was nice. But I don't know why, I think it's just the sort of thing that you just keep stuff.

Like, books and things are really hard for my parents to get rid of. Oh, I'm right there with you. I've had to force myself to not go to bookstores and only, like, buy e-books, otherwise I would be covered. So I'll tell you what I'll cure you of that. House fire. My house burned down years ago and I had a giant library of books and I told myself I was going to rebuild it.

And then afterwards I just realized, like, these are kind of impermanent, you know, like, whatever. It takes up a lot of space and it's not much more selective of what books I keep around and what I just find PDFs of or what I read on Kindle. So that'll cure you. But I still will say I do fetishize actual books. There's something very fun about the turn of the page.

It's so beautiful. The tactile feel. Absolutely. Mouth feel for a book. Mouth feel for a book. So this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones and I've read a lot of books about his bullshit. And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones and I've read zero books about his bullshit. Correct. Jordan, so today we are going back to the past

because I want to tell you this. I wanted to stay in the present because I think it's an, it's an exciting time for Alex Jones right now in 2019. Sure. But I realized after our last episode that pretty much the next week is going to just be him talking about that Project Veritas Google video. For sure.

And I think I said about all I need to say about it on our last episode. It's garbage filled with lies. Right. So why spend more time going over him yelling about it? Yeah. Not a lot of value there. So we're back in the past in our 2013 investigation,

going over what Alex Jones did in the aftermath of Sandy Hook. And today we're going over the 14th and 15th of February, 2013. If you'll recall on our last installment, Alex had started to turn a little bit of a corner on Christopher Dorner. Yes. Oh boy. Nothing is not a broadcaster.

So Chris Dorner died. He killed himself on the 12th. Yes. And so on the 13th, Alex started to compare the situation of his death to Waco, which is something that Alex is very super cool with. He loves the Branch Davidians and thinks that the government killed them.

And so him comparing Dorner to Waco is a big deal. Yeah. Like that's something that indicates a position on his part. So I'm very interested to see where things go on this installment. And we will find out. But first, got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show and make this whole thing possible. Wonderful.

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We appreciate it. You're incredible. So, Jordan, today we are here. We are getting into it. We're down to the nitty gritty. February 14th. Valentine's Day. Is that what it is?

I don't know. Do we know? Neither of us are Valentine's Day supporters, I suppose. It feels like it's Valentine's Day. I don't know if that's one of those, like, Thanksgiving that's always on a specific day or the week. Or if it's the number or the Thursday after the... Honestly, don't know.

Yeah. Could be Valentine's Day. Could be. It's love in the air. Love is in the air. Okay. Alex has love for all the Christians of the world. Now, where are Christians who believe in a second coming of Christ doing anything?

They're the most law-abiding, goody-two-shoes, neurotically good people out there, on record. Everybody knows that. Disagree. Oh, but we're the terrorists, ladies and gentlemen. We're the people. We're the people who work 17 hours a day. We're the people that go to church. We're the people that pay all the fake taxes and bow down to the system.

And we're the... No, no, no. What we are is the milk cow, the slave out in the barn, who they don't want getting uppity. So, I would like to direct Alex's attention to the Christian identity movement. That's a pretty good debunking of the... Because what he's doing is trying to universalize. And that's not cool. There's nothing necessarily terroristic about Christianity or anything like that.

To say that that group doesn't include some is duplicitous. Well, and furthermore, what he just described are the things that somebody says right before they become a terrorist. You know, like, we're working 17 hours a day. We're fighting all of these fights. We're paying these fake taxes. We need to stop this by and then... Bombing a federal building. Underscore.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like all the people he pretends were set up. Right, right, right. So, this is a real slow start to this 14th, this February 14th episode. And it's the sort of thing where it's almost even tough from the beginning of it to pull clips out of. Because it's like, well, he's just saying shit. He's just nonsense. Yeah.

So, I decided to take this opportunity to play this clip that I think is indicative of so much of the word salad that he uses to make his point. Like, nothing in this next clip is saying anything. Okay. But it's the sort of thing that populates so much of his, like, time-filling. Will you guys bring me that box of fruit lips in there? It's in the shipping department. That is such a good indication of just, like, I'm swinging from the monkey bars and I do not know where my next, my arm needs to go next. It's just learned helplessness over to the window.

Cowards, the Jewel Osco dogs are everywhere. Can I get something to eat real quick? Is anybody waiting on you right now? I should say that the, what Alex is doing, he doesn't just want fruit loops because he's hungry. Right, right, right. One of his staff members has found a box of fruit loops that says one plus one equals five. Oh my God. So this is a thing.

This is 1984. This is a thing. Yeah, 1984 in a fruit loops box trying to train your kids that one plus one equals five. All right. I think what it has to do with is, like, one and one are fruit loops and milk and then five is like five nutrients or something like that. Oh, okay, sure. I get the sense that it's something like that. Yeah.

But Alex has turned it into like, it's double speak on a fruit loops box. Right, right, right. Why do they spell fruit? F-R-O-O-T. I'll tell you why. Globalists. They're trying to dumb down the population. That sounds right.

So at some point, Alex does get into some actual issues and he starts talking about the Christopher Dorners situation. And up to this point, I think that he's done a bad job of it. Yeah. I agree. I think that's the rhetoric that's run so through the coverage of, hey, man, you think this is bad. Yeah. See what happens when you take our guns and you'll murder all cops. 1.6 million people are going to murder every cop in America.

That's just going to happen. I feel like that line of rhetoric is not good. Probably. I think this one is kind of worse. By the way, I've analyzed what this guy did. He didn't have actually that much training and didn't do a very good job. And they're now admitting that. What?

Hold on. And all the rest of this stuff. By the way, if anybody with real training ever wanted to kill police, it's pretty easy to do. You go to the police station and you wait till there's a shift change. Is he giving us step-by-step? And I'm not letting any secrets here that real people trained in this type of stuff would not already know. So he's giving advice on how to kill more cops and then he's justifying saying that on air by being like, hey, it's not like anybody who doesn't actually want to commit a mass terrorist attack doesn't already know that.

Right. Hey, dude. Cut it out. Right. That doesn't help. So he's thought a lot about killing cops. That's what we're... Well, he's read a lot of books that probably are about the fantasies of killing cops.

Yes, I would say so. And what's really interesting about that is Alex is almost taking offense at the idea that people are saying that he was trained and planned this. Exactly. Almost as if to say like, nah, our guys are trained. Exactly. Yes. I was almost like, wait, is there some racism built deep down within that? I don't think it's racism.

Because he's like, well, Doerner obviously wasn't trained like we trained the... Yeah. I don't think it's racism. I think it's like you guys haven't seen from trained. Right. My patriot militia buddies are crazy. Right. They are trained.

It's almost like the very fact that you caught him means that he wasn't good enough. I think there's a piece of that. If we were trained, you know, like we're 1.6 million gun owners, we're going to zip in, kill one cop each and then disappear into the ether. Yeah, it's more of a threat. I mean, it's more of that like, we're worse than this. Yeah. Which I agree. I think it's a great thing to tell everybody.

Yeah. Strange brag, but okay. So Alex has a couple of guests on this show on this February 14th episode. And the first one is a guy who is a dentist. All right. I guess. Does he have a telescope? He doesn't have a telescope that I know of, but here's Alex introducing him.

He has a bunch of other medical degrees as well. He's not good into all those, but he's one of the major formulators of things like the products and gravity has like pollen burst plus available. I should add at info wars team.com or info wars health.com. But that's a side issue today. Dr. Gold, give us your report. You're there in the area. You live there. You're a syndicated talk show host out of California.

You've got the sources. What is going on? So he's got this guy, Corey Gold, Dr. Corey Gold, who is just a young jeopardy spokesperson. There is no other reason to have him on the show. Alex is presenting him there. You heard it as someone who lives in Southern California. So somehow he has a unique perspective on the Dorner situation, but that's fucking ridiculous. There's millions of people who live in California that Alex could have just as easily talked to.

He's a syndicated radio host. He has like two stations. He is not a big time radio host. He has no expertise in the area that Alex is talking about. This is just a shoehorned infomercial for young jeopardy, which is what the interview ends up deteriorating into because of course it does. It's the only reason he's on the show and Alex is stretching so far to make it relevant. Like, oh yeah, we got a young jeopardy guy who's out in California.

Give us the dirt on what it's like in California. Sure. Also, let's talk about Pollenburst. Sure. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. There's a lot of immigrants coming in, but tell me a little bit about Pollenburst. So unethical because it does.

He doesn't have much to say about the Dorner situation that's not already like, just he's read an article and he's just repeating what's in an article, which doesn't make him the most attractive expert. Yeah. Yeah. His dentistry doesn't seem relevant. I don't know. I don't know.

Dorner wasn't killed by a giant tooth. So I don't know what dentistry is going to come into this, but here's an indication of how things go. This is, this is really how the interview is under US code title 50, chapter 32 subsection 1528 paragraph B. They can do lethal testing on you as long as it's testing. They can kill you. And I think that's reasonable.

I think the government's God. I think Dr. Corey Gold is an extremist. Don't go to info wars health.com. Don't get Pollenburst plus whatever you do. So that's kind of an indication of the vibe of this interview. Yeah. Yeah, that's not great. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't even do it.

There's long stretches where they're like presumably talking about it in service of the news and they just talk about how great the products are. It's crazy. It's a, it's embarrassing. Like anybody else would be embarrassed to behave like this, but not Alex. It's a secret weapon to have zero shame. It is.

Well, not a secret weapon. But now it's the most powerful weapon in the United States. It's so interesting that you bring that up because that's so relevant to Alex's next guest. Alex. Paul Manafort. No. Probably some connections.

But here he brings up who his next guest is in service of trying to be like, I mean, this goes back to his peers Morgan obsession a little bit, but you'll, there we go. But the producer wants the cameras raw for, yes, you're right. It's the highest ratings we ever had. I want to get you back on, but certain people don't. Well, Morgan told me he didn't want to because I smashed his butt and I haven't really been talking about that the last few weeks, but I wanted to ask Joseph Farah. I don't know what he's going to say.

I haven't talked to him yet. I got him on about all this stuff that's happening, gun confiscation bills in Washington state. So Alex is pretending that he doesn't talk much about the peers Morgan stuff. Rarely. Ludacris. He talks about it all the fucking time. Rarely talks about it.

He wants to ask Joseph Farah what he thinks about it. Do you know who Joseph Farah is? I do not. Joseph Farah is the founder of world net daily, one of the absolute worst large scale news sites online and one of Alex's main sources of information. Now Farah's, his history is a real interesting subject and possibly one that I would love to get into much more deeply on another day. I meant to do a deep dive on his stupidity and how he found his way to world net daily,

maybe after running multiple other outlets out of business, how Farah is directly responsible for Trump's birther claims and maybe even what, you know, have a chance to look into the trends that are clearly on display when you look at the books that world net daily chooses to publish. But my research went off track just a little bit when I ran into a salon article that made an interesting point that dovetails into what you were just saying about Shane. World net daily was founded in 1997 and for years they enjoyed a very similar position in media that Alex did.

They said crazy shit about the mainstream conservative press wouldn't. They floated conspiracy theories, they trafficked an explicitly coded bigotry just as a business model. But now in 2019 they are falling apart in much the same way Alex Jones' business is. Both of these organizations claim that their downfall is being caused by an oppressive tech company obsessed with driving them out of business because their message is too dangerous. But this salon article written by Amanda Marcote makes a really interesting point. No one cares about world net daily and inforce anymore because Fox News is now doing what

they used to do but with a better budget and more access to talent. As the article says, quote, conservative audiences who want to wallow in right wing fantasy world where women have abortions for fun, roving gangs of immigrants are coming to kill you and globalists are running elaborate secretive conspiracies to steal America from white people no longer have to turn to world net daily with its subpar web design and often incomprehensibly written articles. The conspiracy theories and racist paranoia those audiences crave is being served up in a slick professional style at Fox News in the mouths of supposedly reputable pundits

like Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity. Reputable. I wouldn't even give them a supposedly. Whatever. It's a matter of perspective. Fair. But that's a really good point. For years, Joseph Farah and Alex Jones served a crucial role in the conservative cycle.

They drove tons of votes to right wing candidates, but they really only were useful as long as people in power never acknowledged them. As soon as politicians, particularly Trump began trying to trying to help the direct that they published become more mainstream. It was only a matter of time before world net daily and infowars started to have actual competition pop up and it really appears that neither of them were up to the challenge. So ultimately what you have with Joseph Farah is a scammy loser who found a really profitable niche in a market that most people had too much dignity to enter.

Then along came Trump who lowered the bar of what's dignified so far that people who would previously have been ashamed to traffic in Farah's brand of bullshit found themselves in a position where it was no longer career suicide to roll around in that shit. One little thing that's fun about Trump and Farah. In 2011 when Trump was getting going with his shit about Obama's birth certificate, he literally called Joseph Farah and then world net daily employee Jerome Corsi constantly quote looking for affirmation that he was on the right track. Farah told the New York Times that he was impressed with how many hours Trump was willing

to put into the birth certificate issue. It's nuts. Wow. Yeah. This is this is so so fucked up. I hate that it's like it's like how we talked about how Alex is served by anti semites out now at anti semites saying that he's a shill for Israel. Yeah.

But if out and out anti semites were just acceptable mainstream shit, then Alex would probably just be like, okay, cool. Then we'll just do that now in the same way that Fox News used to ignore that shit now that they know that it's just fine. They're like, cool, we'll we'll hate that in the right way. And it's true by degrees too because now because of that because of the phenomenon that's happening that we're seeing where what Alex used to do is being done better by Fox News and other more heavily funded outlets that now have the Overton window shifted so far that's like,

all right guys, it's cool now. Open season. Yeah. Now Alex, you see a much more overt white nationalism and white supremacy, white identity ideas being expressed. Things that he probably would have been too not interested in touching, let's say, seven eight years ago now is fine for him. He would speak in code back then whereas now there is a real, real fucking trend of saying

things pretty fucking overtly. Right. And I think I think it's just because he's suffering the same thing and well, he's responding the same way to those beneath the surface ugly things in the same way that Fox does to him. Yes. And he's just lower on the totem pole. Right.

Right. And you can see it by going back to this point, like, I mean, Corey Gold is not a good guest, but Joseph Farah is like a big deal in the conservative media sphere. Like he's, he's, he's the guy who runs world net daily. That's a get in some circles. Can you, can we just acknowledge that we're listening to an episode in 2013 where he's saying that we're going to kill 1.6 million cops and right now you and I are both like, in the good old days, he wouldn't have been this bad.

At least, but at least it's sort of a hypothetical. Exactly. That's how much worse it is now. Well, and what I'm getting at too is like, you got Joseph Farah on here and like he has some guests that are even in 2013. He has some guests that are like, well, that's someone who'd never come on now. Flash forward to the present day. It's like Count Dankula is on the level of people he's talking to have also deteriorated.

Right. It's, it's nuts. So I don't know. Anyway, Joseph Farah sucks. And I guess if I were to describe him, I do, I do think I would like to do more about him and I would have loved to do that today. But in order to do that, it would be like another fucking hour of this show. Yeah.

I just decided we'll get to it later. He's going to be back on. Right. We're not worried. But if I were to describe him to you, I would say he is Alex Jones with a mustache. Okay. That's basically it. Right.

Because think about it. He runs a media operation. He doesn't. I don't think he has a radio show, but he has a media operation that is serving almost an identical interest that Alex is. They pitch similar stories. Alex uses them as a source all the time. It's basically it's two guys who are in league with each other in a pop, like a propaganda

ping pong kind of thing, getting together and having a quote unquote interview. Right. It's like a telenovela, except for both twins are the evil twin. It doesn't matter which one has the mustache. Yes, that would be that would be fair. So Farrah is about to come up on the show. But before we get to that, Alex, it has to come back from commercial laughing about a commercial that he heard.

Ladies and gentlemen, this hour of broadcast is brought to you by the squatty potty, our new sponsor. All right. Joseph Farrah is our guest. That network Adams laughing really hard. I'm sorry. What are they not going to think of next? I mean this.

So this this is just trying to reinforce my new thesis that Alex thinks poop is hilarious. Is he 80 years old? What is this? What are they going to think of next? He loves fucking scat humor, man. It's crazy. He's he I almost never hear sincere genuine laughter from him that doesn't involve fecal matter.

It's crazy. Weird. So here we go. We get to Farrah in his interview. This was like a real troubling thing for me because this is the first thing you hear from Joseph Farrah. The whole Dorner situation and then the police on now six different feeds saying burn it down, burn the house down.

And they're telling us that's not what that meant. It was reminding me of Waco. I don't know if that's a fake laugh from him from Alex. Oh, from Farrah. I think it might be real. Yeah, that's pretty fucked up. Like Alex is bringing up this this situation and Farrah thinks it's funny. Yeah.

Well, I mean when you say something about Christopher Dorner killing people and how it's a lot like Waco, the correct human response is maniacal laughter like a James Bond fucking villain. Yeah, that took that took me a back. Yeah, I thought that was a little bit upsetting. So they talk about it a little bit. It's not really all that interesting. There are positions on the situation.

It doesn't. There's no real development. There's no nothing fresh. But in this next clip, Alex is trying to ask Joseph Farrah about Chris Kyle, the American sniper guy who had just been murdered like a week prior. Oh boy. And it turns out. I don't think that Joseph Farrah knows who Chris Kyle is.

Really? Do you think the Chris Kyle sniper getting killed that way in all the different stories, a little suspicious and just really weird that that guy would get killed? Well, yeah, I mean, you know, they had him surrounded. You know, it's kind of reminiscent of well, I mean, it's, you know, it might be a bit of a stretch, but you know, Waco Ruby Ridge back in the day, he thinks he's talking about Chris Dorner. He still thinks he's talking about Chris Dorner.

He doesn't recognize and Alex said sniper. Yeah. Kyle sniper and Farrah, it doesn't register, but he does go on to it's like Waco. Yeah. Which makes me think that that might be a talking point for these dudes. Oh, you think I think this might be something that is pretty universal in this Alex Jones world net daily matrix of propaganda. Yeah.

It's weird with them, especially if they could have had their own pre-production meeting where Alex was texting him the night before saying like, isn't this a lot like Waco? And then they're like, we're going to make hay out of that all day tomorrow. I mean, who knows if they did or didn't probably didn't, but it does seem like, you know, at least Joseph Farrah has a like, this might be a stretch. Which is like a little, a little. So their interview stinks. There's nothing else really worth covering in it.

So we're going to jump away from it and now get to the point where Alex starts taking some calls and man. So we have some real big winners in the caller category. All right. I like it. Well, not now. Oh, God. We have. Oh, okay.

We have of course old man house phone. Of course. Bible Dan Bible Dan Bible Dan for sure. We've got some winners that we're starting to recognize as like real regular folks. Yeah. And I've heard this dude before, but I don't know of anything like, I don't remember when we've run into him, but I have heard this fucking guy on the show before. And as soon as I heard his voice, I was like, uh-oh, what's he going to say?

The point is this general Colin Pollops, he's inciting and agitating these Negroes by saying there's a black painter black. What was it? I remember you. You have been calling for about 15 years or 16 years. You always call him and talk about black people. Uh, right. You've been listening like 16 years, haven't you?

Alex thinks it's funny that he's got this old racist caller. His response to that. He's agitating the blacks. Alex laughs. That's so weird. Oh, man. That's not that weird. Oh man.

I know, but just living in a world where it's like, I'm going to have this dude on my radio show. I'm going to let him get away with calling him General Colin Pollops, which like, all right. And then just go on. He's agitating the Negroes and nobody's like hitting the, no, no, no, get him up. Nobody's doing that. No. Nobody's bothered by that at all.

No. It's hilarious. Why would you be? It's just a nice little fun jaunt down memory lane when old white people roamed the earth like gods. Yeah. It was kind of a, I mean, that shocked me. It was like a little bit of cold water splashed on my face when he's like, he's a Colin Pollops. I'm like, is that a different person?

Is he referencing someone I'm not aware of? No, it turns out Colin Powell. Cool. So what I think is really interesting is that Alex thinks that that guy is being pretty funny. He loves it. And then it's interesting to me how he responds because in this next clip you see very clearly. That Alex can't outwardly agree with this guy. But at the same time, he can't push back against him.

Alex is in this very weird space where he can't fight with the guy who's saying something clearly racist on the show. Right. And at the same time, if he agrees with them, he's like, yeah, he is agitating the blacks. Then it becomes a thing where it's like, uh-oh, Alex. Gotcha. So he has to dance this very delicate dance. But they have attacked the whites. How many Pollops does Colin Powell have?

Pardon me? In his colon. Colin Powell, how many Pollops does he have? He needs a squatty potty, our new sponsor. That could be the one. Sir, let me ask you a question. Do you have a squatty potty? I don't want to check his stool specimen.

That's enough, folks. I'm sorry I've been screwing around and joking more and more on air. It's just I've reached a point. Get it off the screen. Get it off. Earlier I heard this ad on the network. I'm like, what is that? And then it turns into this big debate.

Chris is like, it's actually quite healthy. That's hilarious. And then invariably the camping stories begin. Look, the whole point here is this place is out of control. We have uploaded my visit to the biggest grocery store, excuse me, biggest gas station in the world. He just hangs up on the guy by riffing about the squatty potty some more because he realizes that he's in that like no win situation. Yeah. He doesn't want to alienate the racist, but at the same time he doesn't want to overly agree with them publicly.

Right. So he has to just squatty potty. Right, right, right. Well, you saw in the previous clip, whenever he makes that little pause before he says black and you're like, you know what word you were. Uh-huh. Yeah. That you don't, you stopped, you started it and you were like, I don't want that to be coming out of my mouth. Yeah.

That can be my caller's mouth, but not mine. And I think right thinking people see behavior like that as airing on the side of the racist. Yeah. I think when you behave that way, when someone says racist things to you on your radio show and you refuse to be like, hey now. Yeah. That means you are at least tacitly or explicitly supporting the racist position that that caller is expressing. So I think that's what's going on. Now that call is whatever, you know, it's interesting to see Alex dance like that.

But what I think is really fascinating is what's revealed by this next caller. This is devastating to Alex's presumed credibility. I have five squads. It's a pleasure to talk to you, my friend. Thank you. And I just wanted to say that are you familiar with with Gregor Mandel? You know, that kind of rings the bell. Gregor Mandel?

Yeah, Gregor Mandel. No, tell me about it. Wow. For someone who's made his whole career railing against the eugenicist globalists and how they have all these ideas about breeding and natural selection and all that. He doesn't know who fucking Gregor Mandel is. Nope. How embarrassing is that?

Are we sure that he made it all the way to community college and didn't fail freshman biology? I don't know. He does bring up his education on the 15th and we'll get to that. But that is disqualifying. Yeah. That's disqualifying. I understand if you're like, I don't know a specific thing about his P experiments or something like that. But if a caller calls in and is like, hey, do you know about Gregor Mandel?

And you're like, no, tell me about it. That means you don't know shit. No, of course not. I understand how Alex doesn't have all the information at his disposal or he only knows the broad strokes. But to be caught off guard by a caller bringing up Mendel is like, you don't know dick, man. That's nuts. That to me, unacceptable. And particularly unacceptable because his enemies are eugenicists.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is really what makes it like that would be like if someone came up to me and was like, you know, do you know who John Birch is? I don't know. Tell me about it. I think that name rings a bell. Do you know who the John Birch Society is? I study Alex Jones. It would be insane for me to not know some of the spiritual precursors of it.

Right. He fights against the globalist eugenicists. Right. To not know where like the ideas that underlie eugenics come from. Crazy. Just the birth of genetics as a concept. Period. You wouldn't even think.

It's called Mendelevia. You wouldn't consider eugenics without the just regular genetics. Bingo. Also, who will kick your ass and your family tree? Conor McGregor Mendel. Very much. That's a nice before and after on Jeopardy. One of my favorites on that was Helen of Troy Aikman.

Strong work on Jeopardy's part. Who launched a thousand ships and won the 2012? Maybe not a million. I thought this caller's voice was familiar too, but I couldn't quite place it until he said this. I myself am a pioneer research scientist and I'm kind of like Gregor Mendel. And see, as far as the GMOs, this should not be going on. You don't mess around with DNA and they don't realize. So I was like, oh, pioneer research.

Where have we heard that before? I was going to say we've totally heard pioneer research before. He called in. What is pioneer research? He called in on the January 18th show. Here's him from when he called in when Mike Adams was co-hosting the show and talking to Andrew Wakefield. Dr. Wakefield, I just want to say it's really a pleasure, sir, to be talking to you. I myself actually am one of America's few remaining pioneer research scientists.

But it's such a good coincidence that you happened to be on. I have no idea what that means. I tried to look into it to see if it is some sort of a real designation of something. It's not. It's just a general term. I don't know, but I love it. Here's what I love. I love the idea that now we've gotten to a point with listening to this show that there is a cast of peripheral characters that keep calling in.

And now we're like, pioneer scientist is back. Yeah, exactly. Old man house phone, racist guy. It really indicates to me that the pool of callers is much smaller than it appears. Yeah. There's just a lot of people that you kind of forget. Or people who aren't distinctive enough in their nonsense that you just like, if that guy didn't say, I'm a pioneer scientist, right? I wouldn't remember that he had called in a month previous.

Yeah, because you know what you can't ever forget? The words pioneer scientist coming out of somebody's mouth genuinely. Yeah, I think I was an avalanche song. Yeah. Pioneer scientist. That's frontier psychiatrist. Actually, that makes just as much sense. Pioneer scientist.

Pioneer researcher in front of your psychiatrist. What does that mean? I don't know. You're a nut. That's what it means. It's pioneer scientist is crazy in the coconuts. So yeah, I love that. I think that maybe one of the focuses that I'm going to have moving forward is like really trying to keep track of these callers.

And I would love it if, okay, let's say this podcast falls apart someday and I end up needing to find a new project. Right. I think a great thing to do would be try and find some of these callers. I would love to talk to the pioneer scientist. Right, right, right. Could you imagine a documentary about one of the America's last pioneer scientists? How awesome would that documentary be? I think old racist man is probably dead.

And I wouldn't be surprised if old man house phone isn't with us anymore. Yep. Or it'd be tough to get a hold of. Frontier psychiatrist seems like he's a good. He's probably doable. He seems like he could get there. Bible Dan is probably still kicking out there somewhere. Oh, sure.

I did try and find him, but it's very difficult to Google Bible Dan because Daniel's a book in the Bible. It's a little bit tougher. You're going to have to go far past the first search results. Yeah. So Alex doesn't know who Gregor Mendel is and pioneer scientist is back. That makes this episode worthwhile by itself. Right. And that guy thinks that comparing himself to Gregor Mendel in 2013 in the field of genetics is a really good designation for him.

Well, he was on the GMO tip. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. He doesn't have much to say about the issue. Doesn't really understand how Mendel's research has kind of moved on from there. Like we've kind of expanded a little bit past like some beans are white.

He's not interested in that. He's interested in pioneers. So dude, here's what's interesting about looking back at this stretch of time. Like if I were just to tell you early 2013, you would have no idea what happened. Right. Right. You don't have any sense of what went on in the world then necessarily. And sure, you know, the Sandy Hook shooting was December 2012, but that's a huge news event.

And then we go a little bit further through and you know, the Dorner situation is that was a huge news event. And here's another one that you forgot happened probably in February 2013. That is huge. This was on the 15th. Well, obviously this is going to be another riveting and extremely important and informative. And hopefully awakening transmission today. It is the 15th day of February 2013. And we've got a pretty serious situation going on.

I mean, statistically, we don't really know how often large asteroids hit the earth. But we know that a few hours ago in the videos up at info wars.com and prison planet.com. A large asteroid came into the atmosphere and looked to me like a stone meteor because those are the types that break up and explode like this. Just dozens and dozens of sound waves being broken. So you hear dozens and dozens of different sound barriers being broken. Different being broken. Absolutely spectacular. And it looks to me from the different videos and angles I've seen it is not just one meteor coming in.

And the larger question is, is this part of a spur? Because if you watch movies like Armageddon, they're actually accurate. And then a lot of times large asteroids got knocked out of the asteroid belt by some larger collisions. So there'll be a group of rocks. So what's going on? Do you remember this? Is this when we were talking about, oh, this is a different thing? Well, for days now, Alex has been talking about how this giant meteor asteroid is going to pass by the earth.

And the government's saying that it's not going to hit us. But they're, you know, who knows. Yeah, it was like within 30,000 miles. I think it was 17,000 or 17 million. It was very close relatively. But it wasn't the, it wasn't a sort of thing where anyone was like, it's going to hit us. Right. It was a near earth object. And we all had a big conversation about how much interesting it is.

Yeah. And Alex to his credit up till this point has been pretty on the side of it's nothing to worry about. The government are liars, but don't worry about this. It's not going to hit us. Right. Now on the 15th, another object flew over Russia. And do you not remember this? I don't remember.

There were tons of videos of it. It's pretty, pretty amazing. Yeah. This piece of a meteor came in and actually made it through the atmosphere and didn't kill anybody, but it did end up injuring like a thousand people in a town in Russia. Yeah. And so because it happened on the same day that this other near earth object was going to make its closest pass, Alex has combined the two and is now trying to insinuate that

I've been saying that it's not going to hit us, but maybe it is. It sounds like he just said that we need to duck and cover or what's it? What's his prescription for not getting murdered by an asteroid? It's really weird because up till this point, it's been really like nonsensational. Just like it's the closest something's ever come, but it's nothing to be concerned about. And I was like, now that this has happened in Russia, what is his take going to be? Is he going to go Y2K on us? Yeah.

It seems like he has to. I wasn't sure and it's interesting to see how this develops because it's pretty irresponsible, I would say. And until they documented that strike and other strikes, they thought that it was every million years or so just dead reckoning that a large asteroid hits the earth that could cause an extinction-like level of vent. Now they estimate maybe every hundred thousand or so. That's why there's evidence of other human civilizations that we don't even know the

names of, but in fables they're known as Atlantis. And people like Plato, who was pretty mainline historian and philosopher, they report about Atlantis like it was absolutely well-known that it existed. And they found a lot of ruins of cities and things in the Mediterranean and the Atlantic, but it's been so eroded they just know it's large stone blocks and things that have been built. So undoubtedly humans have been through a lot. Yeah, I mean we've been through a lot.

That's true. I agree with the conclusion, I don't agree with how you got there. No, I think he's right. There's so much that's a problem there. He's talking about like other meteor strikes. People have uncovered it. We used to think it was way less common than it is, but it happens. Right.

And actually it's way more common than Alex is even saying. Like there's so many little tiny things that fall all over the place that cause no damage, no one even notices. Right. Like little minuscule things, just space dust basically. Right. That ends up hitting. So like that point is taken.

But what he's doing is trying to be like, eh, you know, who knows? Yeah, this big one that's coming. No, we pretend that it never happens, but it could fucking happen. Atlantis used to be around. Yeah, yeah, great. That, that one, that one doesn't make any sense though, because that, like, if that, if that meteor, if like one, one hundredth of it had fallen to earth, we would all have been dead.

It was like the entire earth would have been just destroyed completely, or at least for human life. I mean, you would cause like a nuclear winter. It would be, it would be game changing to say the least. Right. But I mean, that's no good for selling survival food. It's too late if you're already on the same day. Well, that's true.

That is true. But it does help to like, even if it is the day of, it does help to just create that feeling. Yeah, I can see that. So I don't know, man. I would say that it's kind of erroneous to say that Plato was a mainstream historian. Maybe, maybe like a Tacitus. I'm going to go with Pliny the Elder. He was right all the time.

Josephus. There's some historians you could pull from. I don't, I wouldn't be comfortable calling Plato a historian. Sure. He's a historical figure. And also, I mean, we go over this all the time just because Atlantis is something I really enjoy. Right.

Plato didn't discuss it as if it was common knowledge. If anything, it's presented in the dialogues like Critias and Tamaeus as being secret information that the Solon told Plato's grandfather after Solon went to Egypt and talked to elders there who told him about it. So it's the Alex Jonesy inversion from Plato. Right. Yeah. It's nonsense.

He doesn't know anything. But this next clip I think is where it starts to veer from like, kind of insinuation towards kind of, it's a little sensational, a little more than I want it to be. Today 14 is reportedly going to cross the closest that any asteroid has ever come to the, to the planet Earth since a man was able to track that in the last 60 to 70 years. So today, 224 Eastern Standard Time, 224 PM Eastern Standard Time, today it is set to pass the closest to the Earth that any asteroid has ever been recorded to pass by the Earth that did not strike the Earth.

This is not a movie. There is now more than a thousand people injured. We're only four or five hours into this. Paul Watson at mfalwars.com and prisonplanet.com has been absolutely on top of this with the most in depth of posting and reporting along with drudgereport.com that also has about, I don't know, 15 stories, the very latest posted up there. Also Russia shot down the meteor theory spreads online. We're reporting on that.

I do not believe they shot down a meteor coming in at 17,000 plus miles an hour. So what's interesting about that is that Alex is reporting on the, you know, theories floating around that Russia shot it down, but that theory is posted on his website. I'm saying I don't believe that Russia shot this down. Then don't run the fucking story on your website about the theory floating around that it. Paul Joseph Watson has a theory that I don't believe. No, no, no. Front page of info wars.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I am willing to believe that Paul Joseph Watson's story was about other people having theories that Russia shot it down. But if you believe that's crazy, don't write about how people think it's crazy. Come on, everybody wants a good story. There's nothing here. Like this, this idea that Alex is like, you know, people are people are reporting on this Russian theory.

You're reporting on it. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the, that's the trick that they all use when they want to say something like with Fox news where it's like, Sean Hannity says something dumb. And then the next day they're like, people are saying that this dumb thing is true. We're not reporting it. It is true.

Alex specifically doesn't believe this, but doesn't he? No, he doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. He wants to just like, he's pretty consistent throughout this that, that idea that Russia shot it down is crazy. So that is, that doesn't even explain his motivation. It's just, you don't have to do this.

No, he doesn't. You just need a better editorial standard on your website so you don't have bullshit that you disagree with on there. Probably smart. Whatever. Anyway, in this next clip, he's not saying it's going to hit the earth, but he's also not making me very comfortable. The best we can tell, DA 14, you know, the size of a football field that would be like

thousands of megatons if it was to hit the planet to make it all the way in. It would just be, it would definitely cause the temperature to go down for several years. It would throw up tons of dust. NASA's got breakdowns of what it would do if it hit and it again depends what angle it came in, where it came in. But it would absolutely be something that would change things big time. Really amazing to see this going on. But here's the issue.

A lot of times, large asteroids like DA 14 is going to be passing the earth here in about two hours and 15 minutes. Countdown. That is 224 Eastern Standard Time. That's 124 Central. That's 1224 Mountain. Are we doing this? That is 1124 Pacific.

You can adjust that for time zones around the world. Grinning. And it is coming again, the closest that any large asteroid to not hit the earth has ever been recorded coming to the earth. We know that again, from satellites, they can now see thousands of large craters all over the earth that look just like the moon when the computers remove the foliage. You can see giant impact craters basically all over the planet, just like the moon. And so this is a regular occurrence.

It happens all the time. This happens all the time. It could happen right now. You never know. There's a bunch of craters. Also, all of these times, let's get it all on. He does that multiple times, like just gives out each time zone's time. And if you notice, that's during his show.

He has to be on air when that happens. So he is pretty excited, kind of about building that up, the tension of it. Stick around for... Kind of. There is an awareness of like, I will be on air when this passes. So he doesn't want to say it's gonna hit because that's stupid, but he also doesn't want you to think it's totally safe because then there's no tension. There's no presentation to it.

There's no performance. It's just a story of like, hey, there's a big thing flying over there. You might see like a line in the sky. Yeah. What is this? NPR? Turn the dial. Right.

Exactly. You want to keep eyes on the product. So, you know, you've got to resort to insinuation. You've got to resort to sort of irresponsible conjecture. And this is where I think like it reaches its natural conclusion. Does that give you an idea? Just a little piece. They're estimating that, again, it was the size of a couple of school buses, maybe.

Can you imagine something 500 times bigger coming in? And that's a conservative estimate, I mean, of DA-14. It would come in, it would blow up and shoot spurs over a massive area. And if it hit something like London or Chicago or New York or Tokyo or Peking or just just Dallas, Texas, it would undoubtedly kill tens of thousands of people conservatively. And my only issue is I said, hey, I don't think it's going to hit the earth. But if there was an asteroid coming to hit the earth, NASA would be telling you, don't worry about it.

It's just the instinct of government to always lie. So, he's presenting a scenario where it's like, I don't think this is going to happen. But if it was going to hit us, it would be exactly like it is right now. Something would be happening just like this, but it's probably not going to happen. You should always be afraid. The government definitely wouldn't tell you if it was going to happen. I think I would be fine with that. What?

If the government didn't tell me. I don't know what the right thing to do is, but here's all I know. Whatever Alex is doing is not cool. The position of this isn't going to happen, but planting the seed of the government lies to you so they would lie to you about this. And if that situation were happening and the meteor was about to hit, your experience would be just like what you're feeling right now. The government would have lied to you, and your death warrant is a couple hours away.

Keep listening. So, if the government ever tells you again that an asteroid is coming close, it's probably going to hit us. Well, it could. It probably will. You don't know. So, here he sort of reiterates that position. We're going to be getting into what's happening on that front, and look, I don't think this

asteroid is going to hit us. My point was, is that if the government says don't worry, nothing to worry about, that's when I start worrying, because it is the closest 17,000 miles that an asteroid has ever been recorded coming by the earth that didn't hit the earth. This is just irresponsible conjecture. It's really deeply fucked up. He has a responsibility as somebody who has an audience to come in with facts, to come in with a position of having an awareness about the situation, not some sort of a paranoid

combativeness towards experts. Right. Right, right, right. You know, like, all you can do with this line of rhetoric is cause people to freak out. That's the only thing it does. Yeah, and it's not him. He knows, he knows full on when he says, like, oh, anytime the government says, don't worry, that's when I start worrying, that he doesn't actually believe that shit.

No, because if he did, he wouldn't be on there. Exactly. But his listeners believe that shit for sure. Totally. So he's just causing them to live in a constant state of, like, a huddled mouse underneath a goddamn church. Yeah, anxiety filled distrust. Yeah.

It's gross. Yeah, if he believed for a second that a meteor was going to hit the earth, he would not be on air. No. He would be with his family. He'd have a bunker or something. You know, like, if you believe anything you're saying, even close to this, like, there's a chance because the government lies.

Your behavior would be completely different. Yeah. I think I would treat it like the eclipse. Remember that? I think I'd go out to a park and just watch it. Okay. You know? Yeah.

I think if you're going to go anyways, I might as well see something cool. Well, I mean, there's a little difference in the eclipse is just some nice visual thing. The other is a certain death. Right. But I mean, at the end of the day. Sure. So in this next clip, what I'm saying is that the eclipses can kill you. Fine.

So in this next clip, Alex talks about how like, it's not going to hit. But that doesn't mean that something really bad isn't still going to happen. I wouldn't hold your breath, folks. The asteroid, who knows, though, the government could start off a bunch of nukes and say it was an asteroid. There it is. Take our rights. I mean, you know, you never know what they'll do because they're so criminal.

They're so conniving. The globalists are so sickening. We're on the march. The empire's on the run. So he has a false flag theory. Even. He's a fucking asteroid false flag. Great.

It was actually, I just got none of that train of thought before you started playing the clip. I was like, I wonder if he's going to say something like the government's going to fake an asteroid hitting you. And that's why they're doing it next thing. They'll set off a bunch of nukes. And I'm like, God damn it. I am too deep into this.

Yeah. Yeah. If you want to start being able to predict where his narrative's going, it's time to check out for a second. Troublesome. Yeah. So yeah, man, it's just like, okay, so nothing is going to happen. But if something does happen, then it's probably the globalists setting off a nuke, not an

actual asteroid, even though I've just spent the last, I don't know, hour trying to explain to you that asteroid hits happen much more than you think it may be. It could happen. Yeah. Fuck you, man. Yep. He's just, it could be on the fear and the anxiety, the paranoia is trying to confuse people too.

Yeah. Like cause he's, it is disjointed. This isn't even like a coherent position. No. What he's saying is literally anything can happen. Right. These are the things you should be afraid of. The only thing that can't happen is the government acting in good faith.

Yes. Yes. Exactly. All other things are entirely possible. No matter how ridiculous they are, the idea that they would set off a nuke and somehow people would believe it was a fucking asteroid hitting, you know, there's different things that happen when those things, please get the fuck out of here. So in this next clip, Alex is insulting Al Gore, which is fine.

Not hard. But he does. He does it in a really interesting way. I'm telling you, if Al Gore had red hair, he would look like the character Fat Bleeper from Austin Powers. Back for TV viewers, we'll show you a shot of, this is behind the scenes Al Gore before he went on the Ellen DeGeneres show where he went into makeup. So need a flatulence tax for that guy.

All right. That's enough. This is one of two times that he calls Al Gore Fat Bastard from Austin Powers. He does it twice? Yeah. On this show or like just on this show. Just on this show. Austin Powers references in 2013.

Really? Get in my belly. Stop it. Stop it. I don't even want you referencing those references in 2019. Fresh. Fresh. Certainly everyone knows that there's a like a mark of like a remarkable similarity visually

between Al Gore and Fat Bastard. Oh man. What the fuck? What picture that must he have been looking at that Al Gore with red hair would immediately go to Fat Bastard. I'm really actually I'm sorry. I should have said Fat Bleeper. Fat Bleeper.

Yeah. Really pissed off that Alex didn't do it. Get in my belly. Yeah. Really? Yeah. He's so good at impressions. How do you resist the Fat Bleeper impression?

You couldn't even resist it. Get in my belly. I refuse to acknowledge that accent because he did it in so I married an ax murderer for his grandfather and it just doesn't count. Oh fair. It doesn't count. No Fat Bastard references. I only go with his head.

His head is the size of an orange. That's what I do. Alex at this point starts taking some calls and this is great. This is just Alex being a complete dick to a guy who didn't realize that Alex had gone to his call. Just this is such asshole-ish behavior that I would love out of anybody who's not Alex Jones. Hello Robert.

Hi there. How are you? I'm good. Hi. How you doing? Very good. Am I on the air now? Hi.

Hi. Are you there? Yes. Hi. Are you there? Hello. Hi. Let me move my phone here.

I'm joking, man. I'm joking. Instead of getting mad by callers going, hello, hello, hello, I'm just going to start doing that. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Did he hang up after that? No, it's a pointless call.

But like that sort of thing is exactly the kind of behavior I loved on Love Line. Yeah, I was going to say that's Adam Corolla for you. Yeah, yeah. There is that like I'm stuck taking calls from these people and this is really frustrating to me. There is something you can kind of understand when you do a call in show, there's those hiccups that are like, this really disrupts the flow of the show, super annoying. But from Alex, I just don't appreciate it.

It's really mean. It is. Because it also feels so much more sincerely angry. It's cruel. Well, perhaps. But even when he's saying like, I have to joke around because, you know, instead of getting angry, it's like, I feel a deep anger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

From you there. No, that's what I mean when I say cruel. I don't mean the action is cruel. I mean, the intent behind it is not it's not humor. It is based in anger. I'm trying to hurt this person. I want them to feel pain. Yeah, somewhat.

But with Alex or with Adam and Drew on Love Line, it did seem much more like we're going crazy. Yeah. We're doing this overnight radio show and yeah, it seemed more like trying to entertain themselves, like, like more of a mystery science theater feel to it than Alex's like angry lashing out. Yeah. But while he's taking some calls, they end up talking about how he went to Piers Morgan

back when he was on CNN. And then afterwards, Alex got talked about on Piers Morgan's show and Buzz Bissinger, one of Piers Morgan's guests threatened to kill Alex, and Alex was very mad about that. And then after that, Alex confronted Piers Morgan at a gun shop in Texas and Alex starts talking about this and in the middle of talking about it realizes that he forgot to confront Piers Morgan about a murder threat, which I didn't even realize, but that's a big problem. And then the next night they said they wanted to kill me on the show, Buzz Bissinger and Piers Morgan and others.

I should have brought up to Morgan, you know, I promised to be nice to them that let me behind the stage and surprise him in South Texas two weeks ago, a week and a half ago. I should have said, hey, why'd you say you want to shoot me? But it didn't matter. I told the gun shop owner if he let me surprise him, I'd be nice to him. Yeah, you really should have brought that up. Yeah. I agree with you.

You should have. I think so. That is frustrating. Instead, you just kept begging to come back on the show. Because that was really what you were there for, Alex. You don't even care that Buzz Bissinger threatened to kill you. Not even a little bit. Although it's one of his only, like Alex's only valid complaints about people.

Right. I remember the brief moment of sympathy that we had for that circumstance. Yeah, certainly. It's a very valid thing to point out. Like, hey, someone on a fucking show said he was going to shoot me. Yeah. Yeah, that's messed up. But like it really input, like really brings home that like that is like not what Alex

cares about. He only cares about that in so much as it gets him points. When he went and actually had Piers Morgan in front of him, if he cared, that should have been one of the first things he brought up. And you don't have to be like a dick to him to bring it up. Like, hey, man, I understand that we have a difference of perspective on things. But a guest on your show said he wanted to shoot me and you were fine with that. Right.

Can we talk about how insane that is? You could do that in a polite way. You don't have to yell at him to bring that up. Right. And Alex didn't bring it up at all because it was. This is days, weeks later from when he confronted Piers and at that Texas gun shop and he's only now realizing shit. Yeah.

Well, I think he's also thinking that that would have been a better strategy to try and get back on the show. Like if he confronts Piers about that and he's like, Hey, you let this guy say stuff like that and I get pilloried for saying stuff like that. Or maybe. And then Piers is on the defensive and they're like, well, we should have you come on the show to talk about that. Maybe that's what Alex is.

I should have brought that up. That's like that would have been a better approach. Yep. Yeah. Shit. So in this next clip, Alex gets another caller and this dude is like, he's on one. He's talking about how somebody accused him of threatening to shoot a shoot up a school and then he went to LA and had a meeting with George Norrie before the meeting.

He got arrested and then he was in prison and he was trying to get people to help him. This story makes no sense. All right. I like it. So he wants some help from Alex. It's really complicated. I'd like to, I'm almost ready to, I'd like to talk to one of your investigators and show them my documents and here's the deal.

We barely have time. We're working usually he's about seven, eight at night here and we're totally overwhelmed just covering the news and everybody thinks we can help when the government takes your kids for no reason or we can help when somebody sets you up or we can help sometimes we can take a case and help somebody if it's right there and we know we've got them but you know places like California, even though we're on a lot of affiliates there, a lot of nice people there. The state's really evil.

I mean, you might as well live in North Korea. So like Alex doesn't give a fuck, but also I don't think that he was wrong in this case to not take on that dude's case. Right. He said he had 30 pounds of documents. When you have pounds of documents, I got red flags. That's not how you measure. His story didn't make sense too.

So Alex is like obviously it's probably not polite to be like, Hey, buddy, you're crazy. So maybe his response is fine, but I think it underlies like a real like, I don't trust my own audience. I'm not going to help you. That is a waste of my resources. And I don't really care about most of the people who are listening. I know that the government's oppressing all of us and I'm going to help in the only way I can, which is yelling, yeah, making you scared of a meteor.

Right. No, that's, that's what I was, I was just hearing there is the underlying truth behind those like the meteor's coming or you can't trust the government or anything like that is I am going to saddle you with as many fears and problems as you, as I can. And I can't do anything positive for you. Zero positive actions. Now someone should, I hope a listener starts an organization. That could help you for sure, but that ain't me.

I make no positive actions whatsoever. Nope. So at this point, Alex gets another guest. He has a guest here on the 15th and this woman, I can't remember her name because she's going by just a single name. I think it's Sandy. She's a nurse. Bible Sandy.

No. No, she is a nurse and she had called in previously to whistle blow about the, the military giving soldiers meds. Sure. Scandalous stuff. Yes. And so they have an interview that's basically all just anti science, anti psych med bullshit. Right.

Right. And I don't really care about most of the things she's saying because she says a couple things that are markedly, they're just literally disqualifying and here's the first one. They have these problems with them. What they do is they take one molecule out or add one molecule in and then they change the name. Now, PCP, angel dust is now called catamine and it's a legitimate drug and people are being given it as a fight drug.

I mean, this stuff causes amnesia. No, I know they're giving people quote, catamine is the way I pronounce it, catamine, catamine. And that's in the news. Yeah. I saw where they're putting little kids on catamine, which is PCP. Yeah. Yeah. It's PCP.

So this is a really good illustrative moment about how unreliable Alex Jones's supposed whistle blowers are. Here he has this nurse on who's blown the whistle about dangerous psych meds and she's sincerely and unironically is arguing that PCP and catamine are basically the same thing and they only came out with catamine because PCP had too much baggage, but the evil doctors still wanted to fuck people up. So they needed something else. So they just took a molecule out or added a molecule on.

It's called catamine now. Yeah. The first problem is that while the chemical underlying PCP was fairly popular like 70 years ago, it's been outlawed for medical use since 1965. Catamine would be approved for human use five years later, but it would be absurd to say this was in response to PCP falling out of favor just because some things happened around the same time in a chronological sense doesn't mean that the prior thing caused the latter thing.

Right. Like the famous saying correlation equals causation bingo. So also PCP and catamine are not one molecule off from each other. They're very different substances that cause very different effects on people. They both have been used as anesthetics at some point in history. So it's easy to take a completely surface level approach to this and say that they're similar, but that's a very uninformed position. Cocaine has been used as an anesthetic.

The chemical makeup of PCP or fencycline is C17H25M. So you have a carbon, hydrogen and nitrogen there mixed up. Conversely, ketamine is C13H16ClNO. So it's really clear just from a basic glimpse there that they're very different compounds. For one with ketamine, you have nine less hydrogens in there. So that's going to affect the structure of things pretty considerably, not even taking into account that now you've added in oxygen and chlorine. These are very different substances and it's like I said disqualifying to hear a nurse say

what she's saying. It indicates that she's either not actually a nurse or she is one and she doesn't know what she's talking about and just trying to use her supposed professional credentials to strengthen her misguided anti-science views, which is what you'd expect from an Alex Jones whistleblower, but still kind of stinks. I may be wrong about this, but what you described are the chemical compositions for a molecule, correct? Yeah.

C9 and whatever it was, right? That is a molecule. So they cannot add or subtract a molecule from that molecule. But that's what she's saying. The atoms of like you take out a carbon and now you've got PCP. Right. That's what she's saying. Right, right, right.

It's imprecise language and I don't think even you or I are equipped to speak about it exactly. Right, exactly. But yeah, what she's trying to say is you alter the chemical compound just slightly and then ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom, you take PCP and you make Academy. Right. And that's not the case. Right.

There's so many, like if you look at how the things bind to each other too, the structures are completely different. There's no way it's nonsense. And anybody who's done either of them will tell you it's very different. So here's the next thing that she says that's disqualifying. Don't get me started on Freud because people take too much stock with psychiatry. Father, the Freud of psychiatry, you know he was a cocaine addict. On record who was obsessed with his poo poo.

So are you. So Sigmund Freud isn't the father of psychiatry. He's the father of psychoanalysis. It's a very different thing unless you don't care about being accurate. Freud pioneered new ideas about the interplay of the human in society and the underlying processes inside the brain and he believed that through analysis and talking things through, one could learn about how the two interact with each other. He was specifically and emphatically opposed to turning the process of analysis into a

medical thing and did not advocate for the use of medications in his practice. Moreover, he was opposed to looking at psychological issues as illnesses that needed to be treated and advance the view that's closer to seeing them as stuff we've all got going on in our heads that could be made less troubling by self-awareness and understanding them. Basically, his whole thing was like the psychoanalysis allows you to find the ways that you lie to yourself in damaging ways and resolve those issues. Sincerely, this nurse has no idea what she's talking about. She thinks PCP is ketamine and that Freud is a psychiatrist.

Any interviewer who wasn't just blindly and embarrassingly desperate to justify the point that she's making, that meds are evil, would have shut this interview down by now knowing that his guest doesn't know anything about the subject she's presenting herself to be an expert in. This is like embarrassing for Alex by extension, that he's not saying like, hold on now, Freud is the father of psychiatry? Wait a second, you're telling me that PCP is ketamine? Instead Alex is like, yeah absolutely, it is just PCP.

Right. He doesn't know what he's talking about and he's just allowing her to embarrass him on her show, on his show, it's crazy. So that should make this next clip be a little easier to swallow because Alex is complaining about how everyone is just suggestible, everyone's so suggestible, everyone in the population, they're all just sheep, you can just tell them something and they believe it's true. You could tell them something like ketamine and PCP are the same thing if you just take away a molecule.

Right, so that complaint is interesting because what he uses to defend his assertion that the human population is so suggestible is his own listeners. Well, close. And it's really frightening how suggestible people are. You can joke with people on the street and say, you just fell down. Are you okay? I've actually done this as a test and they go, I did, I'm really, and you're like, you know, I'm joking.

And they're like, no, no, did I? Well, what's going on? I mean, they're so weak minded, like ought to go out and do this on the street and go, hey, you just fell down. I had a crew member one time. We've been out doing a shoot all day and we're in the restaurant and I go, I want to do a test and I'm like, Hey, man, you just fell down. You just fell over.

You just out for you just a heat stroke or something like, really? I did. Wow. Yeah. How long was I out? I'm like, no, no, it didn't happen. All you've demonstrated is that your employees are idiots. Like you haven't demonstrated in any way that this applies to the general population.

And also I'd be willing to believe that this person was afraid of you. Yeah. I would say that there are a ton of other possible explanations for this employee's behavior. I call this joke a, what if Obi-Wan was kind of a petty prick? It's, it's nuts. Like trying to generalize the results of this single trial. Yeah. I think I should do this all the time.

I think I should just go out and harass people for no reason and pretend it's a joke. Well, no, because he's just a dick move. He starts by saying that the public is so weak minded. You can tell them they fell down and they'll believe you. One time I did that to a staff member. Right. That you can't generalize that to the population. You, you have one experience and that there's so many extraneous variables there.

You got to exclude. Yeah. How are relations? He works for you. Yeah. Bingo. That's a big one. Yeah.

It's nuts. I will believe anything you tell me. Please do not fire me. That goes to show like how weak his inferences are. Like he's, he's, he's applying this one specific instance to everyone. Either that or he only hires people that he can trick thusly. Like that's an insult to everybody who works for him as well. Right.

And then maybe we can take this and assume, huh, well, who is gullible enough to believe that PCP is ketamine, those sorts of bullshit things that he says, maybe his staff. Yeah. Yeah. And it's suggestible that it becomes a place where everyone believes all the stupid shit that's set on his show. Right. Like a cult.

Bingo. Yeah. So in this next clip, we get another thing that we always got to keep track of. First of all, callers. Second of all, Alex's fecal obsession. Third of all, does Alex have feelings about killing dogs? Oh man, I'm so sick of it though. I mean, it's bad.

We, here's the deal. We got really bad people. It'd be like if there was a rabid dog in my yard and it had rabies and I saw kids playing down the street on their scooters and I just saw the rabid dog attack my chihuahua and it's foaming at the mouth. It's a pit bull. I would go get my rifle and I would shoot it. And the new world order is like a trillion pound rabid dog.

You got to shoot him. You got to shoot those new world orders. Man. Yeah. Man. Alex is talking about killing dogs. He's. Happens all the time.

God, that's, oh, that's, do you know how often I talk about killing dogs, Tim? Every time Alex does? Yes. That's about it. Exclusively. Yeah. It's pretty much the only time it ever comes up in my life is thinking like, huh, he talks about killing dogs a lot.

A lot. Seems to be a preoccupation. Jesus. I wonder, I wonder what that means. So as the show winds down, Alex has another guest on and it's a guy who I'd never heard of before, but stinks. Here's Alex giving him an introduction. Now, I really wanted to get this guy on the air with us, Stephen W. Moser is an internationally

recognized authority on China and population issues as well as an acclaimed author speaker. He's worked tirelessly since 79 to fight coercive population control programs. I had a little bit of a red flag since the last time Alex had a China expert on it was that guy who's pretending to run a adoption agency. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The human trafficking agency.

The pink pagoda guy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, but I don't know if I trust your ability to suss out who is and is not a China expert. Right. So I was like, I don't want to even look into this. What kind of awfulness am I going to find when I open the lid?

So on the surface, Alex's guest here, Steve Moser is a guy who's just out there trying to alert people about the inhumane practices of the Chinese government. He's trying to lift the veil and make everyone aware of the brutality that was implicit in how the one child policy was enacted and the falsehoods that were behind the rationalization of its creation. Basically his whole position is that China created a false overpopulation idea like in order to create oppressive population control measures that's basically his thesis. But if you look a little deeper into Moser, you get a glimpse of a different sort of picture.

He's a guy who is super anti-abortion and a zealot about it and uses China as a means of advancing his own agenda. He's using China as a means to advance anti-abortion arguments. You bet. So Moser's big claim to fame is that in 1979 he was the first American anthropology research student to be allowed to go to China for research purposes after the Cultural Revolution. So he is a pioneer researcher. Yes.

He's one of the last. He's one of the last. His research resulted in him being not allowed back in China and being expelled from Stanford before he completed his PhD. His supporters argue that this was all punishment for his intrepid reporting. He released photographs of women having forced abortions and the Chinese government was mad about that so they kicked him out of the country and convinced Stanford to expel him. That neatly fits into the anti-China, anti-communist worldview so pretty much anyone who cares

about who Steven Moser is just accepts that as the truth. However, the reality is that he was expelled because he released those photos with the subject's faces exposed, which is a really serious ethical breach. If you're doing investigative work purporting to demonstrate the evil of a government and a big piece of your evidence is pictures of specific citizens of that government's country being the victim of government oppression and you have a paramount responsibility to protect those people's identity. Stanford was shocked that Moser would publish these images with no regard for how his doing

so could put these women in danger and after reviewing relevant ethical standards they kicked him out of the school. This is not something that doctoral programs do lightly. By the time someone is in the process of working for their PhD, the school has an investment in their success. It takes pretty serious violations to get kicked out of a postgraduate program since when that sort of thing happens it doesn't only reflect poorly on the student, it also looks bad for the program.

If you're kicking out a bunch of post grad candidates, it implies that you don't have good admissions standards, so schools tend to go out of their way to keep students in the program and correct problems where they can be corrected. In the case of Moser, his actions were beyond what could be accepted, so they had to get rid of it. That should tell you a little bit about this guy. If he did that, he got women disappeared. There's a possibility or it subjected them to such a high risk of retaliation from that.

He had every reason to know that he should have been more careful. He was literally a postgraduate student studying China. There are ethical standards in place specifically because you could put a target on somebody and he wantedly behaved in a way that did just that. Because of the fallout of this, it made it much more difficult for research students to go to China. Of course. It caused a real serious backlash.

While there are many good reasons to denounce and decry the practices of the Chinese government in relation to its one child policy, Moser seems to approach his criticisms from a very weird angle. His argument is that they started the policy because of fears about overpopulation, but that those fears were fake and just a cover up for their real reasons, which are that they wanted to brutally control the population. He then takes this implication that the Chinese government was lying about their motives and applies it to all family planning and birth control initiatives worldwide.

This is really what Moser is all about. He's a devout Catholic who is staunchly opposed to all family planning. He runs an organization called the Population Research Institute, whose mission is to, quote, debunk the myth of overpopulation, which cheapens human life and paves the way for abusive population control programs and, quote, exposes the relentless promotion of abortion, abortifacent, that's it, contraception, and chemical and surgical sterilization in misleadingly labeled population stabilization, family planning, and reproductive health programs. So that's really what he's about.

Moser and his institute do not care about the seriously complex issues of overpopulation. Most researchers on the topic would agree with him that the issue isn't that there's too many people, it's that our resource allocation is completely fucked up, and that overpopulation is a serious issue when the vast majority of the people who exist are living in poverty. Poverty is the problem, not just the number of humans, and it would be easier to take Moser seriously if he cared about that at all. But he doesn't, because his work is just a trojan horse to attack contraception and all pro-choice advocacy.

That's not all. He's also a big demography guy. Great. As he wrote, quote, the practice of abortion, artificial birth control, sterilization, and a culture of secularism and materialism have caused our country and the church serious problems. Only God reigns and we must serve. Because of the above, we lack native-born children and hence need immigration and Catholic

families need children to replenish the church and give us priestly and religious vocations. I assume he's talking about the Cherokee, the Iroquois. He's not. Our culture and survival as a prosperous nation needs Catholics to marry young, have more than two children, and preach the God-given glories of motherhood. A woman's fertility is our greatest treasure and not the boardroom of business politics. Boy, that is, I like red flags, small, but that's a red flag the size of China. Let's call it that.

There's always, and this is something that deserves to be brought up, there's almost always a little kernel of white nationalism wrapped up in most anti-abortion crowds when you just dig a little bit beneath the surface. For sure. You'll pretty much always find that a lot of their fears arise from notions like there aren't enough people like us having kids and too many people unlike us hanging around. That's kind of beneath a ton of it. Which is why their highest touted argument that they always do is nobody should care

more about anti-abortion than black people because millions of black babies are being aborted all the time. That's who should care most about it. They do that to protect themselves on the flank from people noticing that all you really want is more white people. Does seem like that's a strategy. What we have here is a guy running a nativist anti-abortion crusade masquerading as some kind of a noble battle against depopulation as evidenced by his experience in China forty

years ago which resulted in him getting expelled from Stanford. This guy is not on the up and up. So you probably are wondering how can you afford to run this kind of very clearly disingenuous operation and naturally the answer is right wing billionaires. There it is. The Population Research Institute is heavily funded by the Lynd and Harry Bradley Foundation. Harry Bradley naturally was one of the first members of the John Birch Society along with Fred Koch and the two men have shared a very similar legacy in terms of funneling money

to zealots. The Bradley Foundation has contributed millions of dollars to donors trust. The Koch operated dark money conduit which is one of many connections between the Bradleys and the Kochs as allies in their decades long crusade against progress. And the Bradley Foundation has given tons and tons of money to the Population Research Institute and this Mosher's work specifically. Fun side note, the Bradley Foundation paid Charles Murray a million dollars to write his dog shit book The Bell Curve which to this day is one of the main sources white supremacists

point to to justify their beliefs that black people genetically have lower IQs than white people. The book has been called a quote part of a campaign to justify racism which is why it should come as no surprise that it's promoted by the likes of Stefan Malinu and all the cool kid race realists running around on YouTube trying to have a free exchange of ideas. The Bradley Foundation's funding made that possible because they're more than happy to use racism to push the agenda that they're really after. That's the name of the game.

So here you have yet another mouthpiece for right wing billionaire funded front groups appearing as a guest on Alex Jones' show presented benignly as a as an expert on Population. That's how it always goes. I want fires because they are currently in my brain. Sure. They are in my brain. There's all kinds of fires just right behind my eyes. There's fires being lit all over the place.

I how did we how did we even get that? How did we even let this happen? How does right wing billionaires even happen? Well, you know, like how does that make sense? It does make sense and it's a trade, you know, it's a tradition going all the way back. For some reason, we rich people just show up and fuck us all over. Yeah, I mean, the answer to the problem is transparency. The answer to the problem is making people show who they're donating money to these

these large interests. It needs to be open because the influence is so insidious when it goes through these conduits like donors trust, right? They're able to funnel so much money and enable so many suspicious things, right? And if it was open in public, they're like, Oh, you got $100,000 from these people who are interested in getting rid of affirmative action. That's why you're promoting that black people are genetically dumber than white people. You can make the causal connection between the money and the rhetoric if it's all open.

But since it's so often not, it's a much harder issue. And as that festers as years and years and years of that ability to funnel money places secretly goes on, the damage compounds, yeah, I mean, I would say that that was that would have been a way to avoid this at this point, just, you know, going by our shame doesn't exist anymore strategy that I wouldn't be surprised if they just came out and we're like, Yeah, I got donated all the money by Coke in order to make this, you know, I think we're past that point. Well, I mean, there's still some ironies, you know, because if all of this was exposed

to the light of day, a lot of these people who have these like ideas about, Yeah, you know, what's wrong is that there's these globalists and these billionaires that are controlling the conversation. And they would realize that a ton of the things that they support are funded by other secretive right wing Billionaires. Right, right, right. Like James O'Keeffe got tons of money from the Bradley Foundation early on. Of course.

Of course. Like all of these people would have to wrestle with the idea of like, huh, the people on our side who fit the exact description of the demons that we're against are actually the ones funding the information sources that we have, huh. They must be the good billionaires fighting against bad billionaires done. We can move on. Let's go. Let's go.

Alex Jones. What else you got? It's an easy leap to make, but it's hard to defend. It is. It's hard to make that jump, but then they've put themselves in a box that's really difficult to defend living in. Right. It's possible, but I don't know.

My, my feeling about it is like, I don't, I don't know what the right answer is, but transparency is the first step. I agree. It allows, it would allow for a better possible future. So one of the things that's interesting is I heard on this episode, I heard a intro back from commercial that I've never heard before on Alex's show and it's fucking hilarious. Don't worry. This show is documented.

Alex Jones on the GCN radio network. Alex Jones here back live. It's documented. What just happened? Don't worry. Did their lead in just be like illegal immigrants are coming for you? Even their lead in is racist as shit? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I get what you're saying. I get it. He's saying that all the claims are documented. Oh, are you sure? Yes. Okay. Yes. Don't worry.

See, now here's, here's why I never consider, I didn't even consider that as a possibility because I thought it was too far beyond the pale for them to even think that that makes sense. I know that Alex is anti-immigrants to extent in 2013, but not to the extent he is now. If that was played now, I would be on your side. For sure. For sure. But see, for me, I didn't even consider what you're talking about.

Really? I was listening to you like, don't worry, we have proof. I thought it was defensive. I thought it to be like, hey, I know this sounds crazy, but we know who we're talking about. All right. See, my hackles are so raised for all of the racism. It's like me, like I heard that and I was like, don't worry.

We don't have any Mexicans on. It's like, Jesus Christ, even your lead in is fucking racist. I see where you're coming from. I think it's much, much more likely that it's, uh, don't I agree with you. Don't research this. We know we're talking about it. I agree with you.

So in this next clip, I don't care to address the specifics of what he's talking about. I only am going to play this for the comical nature of it. We hear zero from Gloria Steinem of the CIA and all the rest of these people who didn't know it. Folks who wrote one of her books that was all CIA front to break up the family, Miss magazine, all funded, which again was a Carnegie endowment operation so that there's no mother. So the state becomes the daddy. I don't really care about that.

All I care about is the idea that he's like, is a Carnegie endowment operation. Like he's aware of that, but he doesn't realize that he's talking to a Bradley foundation funded guy. Like you understand like what's going on here. Yeah. If Alex is presenting himself as some guy who's like, I know where the foundation money goes to. How are you so blind to it on this side?

How are you so blind to the like the people that you're in league with who were taking a right wing foundation money? How is that possible? It's not. I think that the way that they would get away with or the way that he would try and talk his way out of that is it always has to, because he's such into movies, it has to be a titanic struggle. It always has to be one side's God, one side's the devil that both super power.

He couldn't get away with it. You don't think so? I think he doesn't know shit because he doesn't research anything and he knows about this Ms magazine stuff and the Carnegie endowment and the Rockefeller Foundation from people like W. Cleon Scousen and all of these anti-communist shitheads that came before him. He only knows the stuff that they've pointed out. So his body of information is so one sided and he doesn't dig into things himself. So he doesn't know anything about these right wing billionaire foundations that are funneling

money to all of these other places that suspiciously he just is like, oh, they're just like, Mosher's just some fucking awesome dude who cares about the myth of depopulation. So he started this foundation and thankfully the grassroots have funded him. Right. That's the perception he has and maybe he does believe that because he doesn't do any reading. Yeah. I find that hard just because so many of his friends have taken money from you bet those

kinds of places that it like he never nobody let him on that it was a giant, you know, like Milo didn't let him know that Coke bought 200,000 copies of his book or whatever the fuck it is. It's really hard to believe that he's that naive. Yeah. Just from a business standpoint, as a human, I don't believe it, but as someone who can't prove anything, right, I can't believe the contrary either. Right.

Right. He does know and he like is in on it or whatever. So I don't know. It's complicated. So we have one last clip here and what it is is essentially like the two of them have been having this nonsensical conversation about how overpopulation is a myth and you know, birth control is stupid and all of that and you know, from looking into this guy, I kind of know like demography lies behind the arguments that he's making and he's really

just a anti abortion, anti contraception zealot and he's concerned about variable birth rates, which ironically are exactly the same sorts of things that are now in the present day motivating people to murder Muslims shockingly regularly whenever you hear those sorts of attacks happen, the people seem to all have that sort of there's too many of them. I'm standing up for the West. Right. 01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:14,700 Kind of course.

Ideas. So, you know, when you hear this, you kind of realize they're making it a little too public. And so at the end of the day, you know, someone is going to come to inherit France and Germany and Italy. It won't be the descendants of the modern day French and Germans and Italians because they're not having any descendant. Other people who are more family friendly will come to occupy those countries.

And I think most of our listeners know who those will be. People from the Middle East and from North Africa, principally. The West has committed total suicide. It's clear, man. In 2013, he's still on that. He's already on that tip. It's crazy. Does he think people are still fighting the Moors?

Like, what are we doing, man? This is fucking nuts. Yeah. Yeah. And so, like, when we hear all this stuff in 2019, it's like, oh, Alex has descended. He's giving overtures to it in a way that people don't, we didn't, I don't know, I don't want to speak for everybody, but I think a lot of people probably wouldn't have that register as like, what he's talking about is intensely fucked up.

Yeah. Yeah. I think you just hear that in a much different way in 2013 than we do now because people are acting on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not, it's not something that two lunatics have in an offhand conversation on a radio show that nobody's actually listening to. This furthers my point, that this wasn't being discussed on Fox News in 2013. Probably not. This is what Alex was doing that is now acceptable for Fox News to talk about, and thus he must get more extreme in 2019. This doesn't get the audience aroused in 2019 anymore.

Right. This is, this is pretty messed up. Oh, man. Yep. It is fun to see exactly where we were with the crazy people being where we are now with everybody normally. Uh-huh. Like you, you compare that to the way Fox News covered the migrant caravan as being

a flood of invaders, you know, borderline pests that are coming. The horde. You know, that whole thing. And you think this guy was just saying that shit about Muslims in 2013 and Fox News never would have touched that. They might, they might, maybe on and off the thing, but as a, like a network position, yeah, uh, it didn't, it doesn't seem like it was as overt because they had to worry. Yeah.

Yeah. Sponsors. Remember when you had to worry? Yeah. Oh God. I mean, yeah, it's pretty crazy, um, especially because like this stretch of time is so bizarre. Like Alex is already kind of letting Dorner by the wayside, you know, like he's, he's said that it's like Waco and that seems to be enough for him.

And then you get a fucking meteor coming in on the 15th and then he has an interview with the complete racist, uh, population guy. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. I never, I still am surprised by this, like this 2013 is such an interesting stretch of time. There's so much happening in the world.

You got Obama coming in for his second term. So a lot of people are fucking up in a tizzy about that. You've got, uh, so many newsworthy gigantic events happening. Uh, it's, it's a dense, dense time and Alex is so weird. He's so weird. That is one thing that I was thinking while, uh, while the earlier clips were going on is just like, if I, I, I, because I always forget this is ostensibly supposed to be a new show.

Yeah. It is easy to forget that. Right. So I completely forget. I'm like, if I were just listening to this show, I think I would have no idea what's going on. Like, like period. No, it'd be, it'd be tough to say you were informed.

Yeah. Certainly. Like just, just no clue other than, you know, an asteroid might kill me today. Right. But probably not. But the government. The government might be lying about this. And even if they were telling the truth, that's probably because they're doing it.

It's probably their meteor. It's a nuke. Yeah. Not being informed for sure. But you would get the message that Alex wants you to get. Right. Right. Right.

And that is a rampant, unhealthy level of distrust for everybody, but him and his weird friends. Yeah. So that's not great. That's a, that's healthy. Uh, anyway, thank you all for listening. Uh, this is, it brings us to the end here. Uh, we'll be back on Monday, um, but until then we have a website.

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oh, Alex's imaginary Chihuahua in his dog murder scenario. No, but that dog was, did have rabies. No, no, no, the, the, the Chihuahua that was attacked by the dog, the Chihuahua was just, the Chihuahua was just there. You don't know what happened after it got rabies. Well, he probably killed it. Could have turned it to a zombie. That's true.

Zombie, well, well, but because we don't know that for sure. We should probably err on the side of believing that Chihuahua did not kill anybody, but one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first name caller.

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