Knowledge Fight - #316: July 1, 2019

Episode Date: July 3, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan check in with Alex Jones in the present day to see what he's up to. It turns out, he's spending his time accusing Antifa of engaging in chemical warfare and talking to his Oathkeeper buddy about how excited they are about the idea of a civil war starting soon.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. What's up? What is your, what, what bar game are you best at? What are you talking about? Do you know, like, cool darts, shuffleboard,

bags? Like, what are we talking about here? Are you secretly a devastating bags player that nobody knew about? I play cornhole in college, man. I used to hang out with my boys, Chad and Pete. That's all I got. Not an improv guy when it comes to names. No, I've never been too good at those sorts of games. I'm not, I have a cross-eye and I think it affects my depth perception a little bit. So like darts and bags are particularly tough to figure out the right angle on.

Now, don't get me wrong. If I start having a few, you know, drinking, that eye gets out across. Not so much. It's more I perceive myself to be better. Yes, I like shuffleboard more, but just because of that fun sand that's on the table. Yeah, I like that. Aesthetically, I enjoy it. Yeah. I'm pretty good at bowling, though. Pretty good at bowling, but only when I'm drunk. Okay. When I'm pretty drunk, I'm amazing at bowling.

Okay. Because I stopped caring and I start throwing the ball really hard. One time. That's the recipe for success at most things. There's only one person who can confirm this. Yeah. But one time I bowled a perfect game at Timberlain's here in Chicago. All right. I, well, technically it wasn't because it started. I was going to say, I was about to, I was about to hear a butt covered, but it started in the fourth frame of one game and then continued into the next game, but I got 13 straight strikes or 12 straight strikes.

I can't remember exactly, but it was the amount that you would need to have a perfect game, but it was carried over two games. That's crazy. It was. I was blowing my own mind. Yeah. It was like eight or nine strikes deep. I'm like, what am I doing? You're having the, the Michael Jordan game going Joe Fernandez. Get another pitcher. I don't know what's going on. Yeah. Just chug another beer and throw a ball really hard.

Fernandez was just sitting there like, what? What? It was nuts. So anyway, this is a podcast where I have technically bowled a perfect game. And I know a lot about how it's done and I know nothing about neither. Jordan, today we have a very interesting episode to go over. I am, I'm somebody who's always fine with being wrong about things, particularly about my predictions. I generally stray away from, you know, making any kind of declarative statements about things that may or may not be. Um, and today's a good example of that.

Because on our last episode, I predicted that Alex would be out of studio for a week because it had been reported that he was supposed to go give his deposition on July 1st and 2nd. Yeah. For the Sandy Hook trial. Um, and he was suspicious in his absence at the end of last week. Right. I figured there's reasonable conclusion. There's a decent possibility. Yeah. Didn't know if it was true, but I made the leap of predicting he would be gone. Right. Monday. He's back.

Historically speaking, the only predictions that are ever true are the ones where we're like, there's no way that we know what's going to happen now. Yeah. That's the only prediction that all of a sudden you got to give it up to the Somali pirates. That's what's going to be right around the corner. But we can't predict that. No, you can't. Yeah. That's the prediction. We predict. The unpredictable. Exactly. That sort of thing. Yeah.

So Alex showed up on Monday in studio and did his show and I was, you know, having a grand old time preparing a completely different episode. Right. Found a lot of really interesting things to talk about. Great. Thanks. Don't suck. And, uh, but, you know, hey, Alex had been gone. We haven't done present day episode in about a week or so. So I figured it is our, as our duty to cover the July 1st, 2019 episode. And I'm not looking forward to this in any way. I think that I told you before we started recording,

I think that towards the end of this is one of the scariest passages that I've ever heard on Alex's show. So warning, if you're scared of things. Yeah. It's, it's actually just three hours of him singing God bless America on a loop. I would take it. I wouldn't mind that. I would take it to be like your little pitchy. Yeah. Come on. But we'll get into this episode. We'll get, we'll get into the dynamics that are at play and all the stupid bullshit that he says. But, uh, before we get to that,

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Lovely. So, Jordan. Yes. First of July, 2019. Three days before the fourth God bless you, right? Such a great day for patriotism. Everybody put your hand over here. Actually, I'm pretty stoked about the U.S. Women's World Cup.

Oh, yeah, I haven't. Is the final on the fourth of July? No, not the final. But the semifinals happening today on recording this on the second second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were in the 60th minute when we started recording. So, I don't know how it's going to end. Hey, you know what?

I hope it turns out well, our hearts and prayers are with you. Women soccer players of these United States. They're great. They are. So, on the first, that was Monday. And over the weekend, there had been, of course, a rally in Portland. Patriot prayer and their affiliated groups that had a bit of a shin dig. And the counter demonstrators were out in force and, you know, shit went down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We'll get into some more of the details about that as this goes along. But that sets the stage for what Alex has to be in his bonnet about. Right. As we begin this July 1st episode. I sense a lot of things are going to be true. Oh, my God, so many. He's going to tell so many true things. So many.

He's going to tell the truth so much. So many truths. Um, there was a, and we'll get much more in depth about this here after a few clips. But there, one of the things that came out of the protests and the clashes between counter demonstrators and the right wing dum-dums is, oh, showed my bias. The little lefty liberal media. One of the things that came out of that was a lot of accusations that people were putting quick drying concrete into milkshakes.

Yeah, I saw that. And the premise of it initially was that they were turning them into bricks that then they could throw at people and injure them. Right. Cause that's how that works. Right. Certainly. And like I said, we'll get into all of this.

Okay. But what's interesting about Alex's narrative about it is that he takes it even further than the, they're making bricks in cups. Okay. He takes, he's on the vanguard of this thing. All right. And he really breaks the case wide open. Ladies and gentlemen, you are about to hear a world exclusive piece of information hiding

in plain view. There are so many angles to this, but here's the fact. I have reviewed in the last two days, more than a hundred videos, we're going to be presenting many of them here. They're up on info wars.com and news wars.com. Antifa engaged in more than 20 acid attacks. Whoa. In Portland.

Whoa. Imaging the eyesight and eating the scan off of more than 15 people's faces. 15 people's faces were burned with acid. 15, this is really, really troubling. Dan, can we get some, I assume that the New York Times is all over this story. Can't, can't say that they are. Well, I mean, at the very least, Fox News must be blasting this from the rafters. You might have to go down to like a big league politics.

Okay. So they were, yeah, you might have to go a little bit further down the dial in order to get this story being reported. Gotcha. Um, but hey, man, just because the mainstream media, just because the MSM isn't reporting on this stuff, doesn't mean that it's not true because Alex has proof. We have the videos, we have the audio, we have the photos, we have them admitting it on the Antifa site in DC, the Antifa site in Portland, Oregon, the Antifa sites

in San Francisco, the Antifa sites in Austin, Texas, that there are different ways to produce acid compounds and to then throw them on people to blind them. Ladies and gentlemen, they themselves said, and there's photos and videos that are on screen, if you're a TV viewer, that they were going to mix. Quick setting concrete and throw it in people's faces. Dun dun dun. Now is probably a pretty good time to point out that pretty consistently the right wing is either manufactured or been tricked by fake Antifa accounts on

Twitter and Facebook and ruses like that have no or people playing pranks going on TV pretending to be Antifa. Like I want to punch a horse. No, I want to punch a police horse. I don't think they do it. It is something that they are very eager to be tricked by. It really does seem like they I would almost go so far as to say they're looking for that information more than they are worrying about it.

You can make that claim. I feel like for me, because I'm trying to stay unbiased. Yes, of course, I feel like that's an assumption that would be a little bit too far. You know, I don't want to assume their intentions. Sure, sure. Certainly looks that way. But who knows? Strongly and obviously.

Yeah. So you're asking if the New York Times is covering this, this angle this way. This chemical attacks and acid. Yeah. Well, I mean, technically it's a base. But OK, fair. Let's not get into that. Fair enough.

It will cause an alkaline burn. Yes, sure, sure, sure. Get real petty about it. New York Times not covering this, but one fucking genius is. Portland PD report on Antifa mixing concrete into milkshakes. This creates acid like chemical weapons. So, oh, Jack Pasobit gets it. I searched all yesterday and found no one getting this.

So this is a chemical weapon. This is a chemical weapon. So Jack Pasobit fucking gets it. Yeah, Jack Pasobit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if Alex ever says I get it. I want it gone as soon as possible. Yeah, that's some variation of damning you with faint praise.

Yeah, yeah. So the narrative that Antifa was mixing up concrete milkshakes is going to play a very large part in this episode. So you should probably exhaustively deal with it right about now. Surprise. Just a small point. I might use the term Antifa as the way that Alex does. But I do not believe that they are a centralized group,

like something like Patriot Prayer. That is a group. Antifa is not some sort of, not the same way. Like Patriot Prayer has Joey Gibson is the leader of the group. Yeah, I don't know of any. They're a centralized organization. There's no hierarchy in the Antifa. And nobody's like, I'm King Antifa over here.

So discuss it as if like Antifa was giving out milkshakes. Is to play into the right wing framing of the conversation in and of itself. And I'm going to try and buck back against that convention as best I can. But if I slip up here and there, I apologize for my non-clarity and not living up to my own intentions.

I'll get into the specifics here in a couple of minutes. But for now, I want to make it totally clear that this did not happen. It's completely manufactured fascist smear being perpetrated by dangerous monsters and useful idiots. Before I get into some of the details about this narrative, it's important to address why it's spreading. And it actually gets into something

we've discussed in the past. The milkshake is the perfect weapon against people like Nigel Farage or Alex Jones. Because it really doesn't elicit that much sympathy from them. No one's like you're hurting them. But it does make them look really silly. Nothing he can ever do in his life

will undo the image and the headline of Nigel Farage refusing to leave his bus surrounded by people with milkshakes. These motherfuckers are a joke and seeing their feverish response to dairy helps highlight that. We understand that, but unfortunately, so do they. They realize that the potential of having to put up

with a constant barrage of milkshakes whenever they're out in public is a fate that they're not particularly interested in. Because making a mistake about it, that's exactly what is going to happen or would happen. There'll always be someone willing to risk a petty assault charge to hit a particularly distasteful monster

with a milkshake. So they have to go about the rest of their day doing a fascist rally covered in milk. I will do a lot of hours of community service to throw a milkshake on Pol Pot. I think it'd be fine. I think I'd be okay with it. They would say that you're making an extreme comparison.

I'm not. I'm trying to stay unbiased. I'm not. He just asked for fucking tanks at a parade, Dan. We're there. We're past it. So they know that their power is really only supported by being able to control how their followers perceive them.

And that image has hurt considerably if they're constantly yelling about how people won't stop throwing soft dessert at them. It doesn't work for them. Yeah, stop throwing milkshakes at me. The best way to fight back against this is to transform the milkshake into a deadly weapon. This is honestly one of the most predictable developments

in this information war we find ourselves in. It's a really short brainstorm. It's like, hey, this thing people are throwing at us is embarrassing and makes us look silly. But if we get too mad about something as trivial as people throwing milkshakes at us, that makes us look even more silly and way less manly and effectual.

Oh, I got a solution. Let's just say they're trying to kill us with those milkshakes. Great idea. Let's do lunch. Yeah, that's it. That's what's going on. No, it's literally like, hey, people are like,

you can't throw rocks at me. That is hurting a person. Right. People say, with milkshakes, you are making me look silly. What if I just told people that milkshakes were rocks? Right. It's like the milkshake is almost adapting the behavior

in consideration of how a rock would hurt you. Yes. Thus, the narrative of the concrete milkshake is born out of that necessity. Portland police have said that, quote, as the event progressed, officers learned from some participants that a substance similar to quick drying concrete

was being added to some of the milkshakes. This is not evidence. That is hearsay. But it was enough for the department to post a tweet on their official Twitter account saying, quote, police have received information that some of the milkshakes thrown today during the demonstration and quick drying cement.

We're encouraging anyone hit with substance today to report it to the police. Now, at least that tweet said just that they'd received information that this was the case. Not that it was actually the case that there was concrete in the milkshakes, but it doesn't matter.

That was enough. Immediately, the right-wing media sphere of shit heads jumped into action. Jack Pasobic retweeted a picture shot by Shane Burley of people making milkshakes at the event but added his spin that maybe this is where they were adding the concrete, with no evidence at all, just talking shit.

Much like the quick drying concrete that wasn't in the milkshakes, the narrative began to solidify very rapidly. Articles started being published with misleading headlines that implied that the Portland police had said that there was concrete in the milkshakes that were being thrown, as opposed to what they had said,

which is someone, possibly even a right-wing shithead themselves, had told them that it was the case. Business Insider published an article with the headline, quote, protestors through milkshakes containing quick drying cement as far left and far right groups clashed in Portland, according to police. That article includes this passage, quote,

currently there is no evidence to substantiate the claim of concrete or cement found in any milkshakes. I'm sure that was part of the headline, too, though, because you really, no, no, no, if you're gonna add that in there, you really wanna lead with that one. That way, otherwise people would think. Nope, that's in the article,

as opposed to what the headline I just read to you. Oh, oh, so they didn't put the important part in the headline that put the other part, great. It doesn't matter, though, man. The headline was tailored to the right-wing narrative that was developing. Of course. As evidenced by Jack Pasobic,

tweeting it out as proof that he was right all along. There is a game that's being bounced back and forth. It's very clear to see. Yeah. This is a right-wing smear from the core, and anyone who's falling for it, and I'm looking sharply in the direction of dum-dums like Jake Tapper are playing right

into the right-wing media's hands. The goal is to make this avenue of making fascists look stupid and silly, making it treated like a life-threatening attack. So counter-protestors can't make them look silly anymore. Yep. That is the name of the game. There was no concrete being mixed into these milkshakes,

because if there was, there's literally no way there wouldn't be any physical evidence by now, days later. How many people would have accidentally drank concrete and died? How many easily identifiable puddles of concrete would be strewn around the park? How many people would be able to easily produce articles of clothing with concrete all over them?

How many police officers would have their uniforms covered in concrete? It would be a really easy thing to prove if it were true. None of this has been produced as evidence because it doesn't exist. And let me be clear, the burden of proof is not on me, or anyone else to prove that there wasn't concrete being thrown in milkshake form.

Right-wing shitheads are making this outrageous claim that concrete milkshakes are being used as weapons in Portland, and thus it is on them to make their case and prove it. And until they do, this is shit talk, being circulated by career shit talkers who have a pretty clear motive to talk this specific line of shit.

Make sense. Proof is saying it louder. That's what they think. It's so perfect that this is about cement because the metaphor is so apt. By Sunday, the Portland Mercury put out an article, quote, Portland police offer no proof that protesters had milkshakes with quick dry cement,

but it doesn't matter. By that point, the right-wing narratives concrete had dried. It was impanetrable to facts, new revelations, or refutation. It's even more perfect because the most common form of concrete is called Portlandite, or Portland concrete. You would think Alex would make a conspiracy out of that, but I guess that would take some reading to learn about,

and he's not really into that sort of thing. In a release put out July 1st, the police in Portland offered a little bit more insight into why they thought that there was concrete in the milkshakes or why they would follow through with this. We're liars, and we're on their side. For one, an anonymous person said there was. Right.

So, I mean, look, I understand the police department taking an anonymous tip that someone is creating a weapon surreptitiously seriously. They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. When someone tells them that people are putting concrete in milkshakes, it's the police's responsibility to look into it. Check in with the people who are handing out milkshakes,

and make sure there's no credibility to that tip. If you're unable to figure out what's going on, then maybe you ask the people giving out milkshakes to stop or to leave. What you don't do is take to Twitter to broadcast this bullshit rumor that's ultimately at its core right-wing propaganda. That implies that maybe you, as a police department,

are on their side, and this anonymous email, they got after the fact as a sloppy attempt at damage control. So, they got an email after the fact. They got an anonymous email after the rally had happened and after they'd put out this tweet, and they said that, quote, an anonymous email was sent to bureau members with a, quote, milkshake recipe,

which is laughable. It's a troll job if I've ever seen one. Do you know what the weirdest part is? You actually have to get a sample of Ebola blood to put it in that milkshake. Otherwise, it doesn't do any good as a vaccine. Otherwise, it's inert. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, I get the feeling that that's saying, well, we had someone who said that there was concrete in the milkshakes. All right, I understand that you got to do something about that, which you did wasn't the right thing to do. And I think that they probably realized, hey, we kind of really fucked up. Hey, someone sent a troll email.

Let's use this as further rationalization. Even though we got it after the fact, it doesn't support the actions that were taken. It only works post-factually. It's fucking stupid. For now, the last thing I want to say about this is that Alex's take on the situation is far more severe than most of the right-wing shitheads

on Twitter and Fox News. Most of them were approaching this from an angle that leftists are trying to make concrete milkshakes in order to have bricks to throw, but some of them dabbled a little bit in the chemical idea, but not nearly to the extent Alex is. Alex is full-on going to argue that Antifa was out there making chemical weapons.

In this sense, Alex is actually smarter than most of the mainstream dumb-dumbs, because if the argument is that they're trying to make bricks out of milkshakes, simple chemistry debunks that theory. Both salt and sugar have a delaying effect on the solidifying of concrete. And in fact, many concrete workers use sugar

or similarly constituted products in order to give them more time to work the concrete before it sets. And it doesn't really take much sugar to cause that effect. Very small percentage composition of sugar will cause very serious delays in the settling of concrete. You just wouldn't be able to take the ingredients

in a milkshake and add concrete to it and make a solid brick to throw at someone. It's fucking stupid. It's just not possible. Right. While Alex does say that that was being done, his bigger argument is that there's chemicals in fast-drying concrete

that'll cause chemical burns to people's skin. And to this, I say that he's technically correct. Concrete does cause alkaline burns when exposed to human skin. However, all he's done is further sensationalize the thing he in no way has proven is even real. So all he's really doing when you get down to it is making things worse.

If this narrative were true, there would be even more evidence available. Consider how many people were hit by stray milkshakes, how many people had them spill on them. There would have been chemical burns all over the place and evidence would be overwhelming, but it's not. All Alex is doing is escalating the narrative to unsustainable levels.

If the mainstream of the Raiwing media is just interested in getting people to stop throwing milkshakes at them, Alex wants you to be able to kill anyone you think has a milkshake. It's profoundly scary stuff. And some of the things that end up being said on this episode, like I said,

rank up there with the most upsetting things I've heard him advocate for. They imply that there's nowhere else for his rhetoric and worldview to go other than murder. And I am not pleased by this development. He's looking for a shot heard around the world, but because some dude was holding a milkshake. Exactly.

I mean, because if you break it down, what you've got is a built-in justification for preemptive attacks on people who have milkshakes. Maybe even a Starbucks, maybe you got a Frappuccino. Yeah. Anything could be, I mean, it's... It's quite literally anything could be a weapon if anybody who looks like a leftist is holding a cup,

then they might be mixing something to kill God-fearing patriots. And if you accept that, the steps that you end up having to take to resolve those paranoias and those fears are unbelievably scary, they're offensive, they lead to probably the most dystopian view of what could happen in the next couple of months. And I don't know.

So Alex's idea that they're throwing these milkshakes around causing chemical burns on people, he has some evidence of that. Sure. And they throw it in your face. And that's why when you look at the photos and the videos of people that were hit with it, their skin is all burned,

their eyes are all totally bloody and bloodshot, they will guarantee have vision loss. So what you're looking at is mass terrorist if you're a TV viewer, radio listeners, the articles are on infowars.com. Literally mixing acid attacks and then notice the left is all about deception, calling it milkshake attacks.

Two pictures were circulated after the events on Saturday and one of them was a picture of a hand that had been chemical burned and another was a woman who had her face, had some chemical burns on it. The hand, you just reverse image search it and it's a standard picture of a chemical burn that is all over the internet.

It's a shutter stock, like stock image kind of thing. I don't know if it's stock image, I don't remember exactly, but it's something that's used consistently and has been for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has nothing to do with this. The picture of the woman with her face was, you reverse image search that

and it goes back to a woman who had her face burned by essential oils. Has nothing to do with this. It is being weaponized and used to justify the argument of concrete, burning people. It's nonsense, Alex is just reporting lies, which isn't surprising, but the stakes of it are shocking.

They're very severe, because we get this next clip. I wanna stress, I've been talking a little bit extremely about the conclusions that Alex could come to in terms of what he's trying to do is justify being able to shoot people who have milkshakes. And I wasn't talking shit. He literally kind of expresses that in this next clip.

Antifinal vows to attack families trying to go to a fourth of July event in D.C. They're trying to get somebody to shoot them. Doesn't matter, they don't pass it right on your five-year-old's face. You pull a gun and shoot them. You will be the terrorist. You will be the bad guy.

They are the little methods that work for the cities, that work for the universities, and work for the federal government. That's why the Portland mayor allows them to do all this, because a lot of them are his staff, it's turned out. So that is just like justification. They're going to throw milkshakes full of acid at your children, and if you shoot them, you're the bad guy.

Fucking hell, man, that's insane. So at the end there, Alex says that Antifa works for the Portland mayor, and I'm not so interested in that because it's not. I have no interest in that. It's nonsensical. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that idea.

Please don't even acknowledge that. That idea is a particularly tough milkshake to swallow. Nice. I promise that will be the last milkshake. No, it won't. No, it won't. I think it is. If you didn't write it down, I'm coming one later.

I'm coming for one later. And one of the reasons is because of the relationship that is very clear between the right wing folks and the Portland police department. No. One of the reasons that people took particular offense at the Portland police bureau's official Twitter account being used to publicize and lend credibility

to the right wing smear campaign about the concrete in the milkshakes is that in the past few years, there's been a troubling trend of the Portland police taking the side of right wing protesters, even when they're doing things that are kind of fucked up. In June, 2017, there was a rally in Portland that turned a little bit ugly.

An Oregon Live article about it has this headline, quote, dueling Portland rallies end without major violence, but police intervene, which might give you the impression that everything turned out pretty all right. However, here's the fourth paragraph of that article, quote, officers deployed explosives and pepper balls to scatter anti-fascist crowds gathered at Chapman and Lowndesdale squares just north of the pro-Trump rally.

So violence averted. Just explosions and pepper balls. Right, right, right, but I mean, from them. If the cops do it, it's not violence, Dan. The rally was taking place a week after Jeremy Christian had murdered two men on a train in Portland who were trying to stop him from verbally assaulting to women with racist attacks.

He would go on to tell the police that stabbing those two men made him, quote, happy. That rally was being organized by Joey Gibson that rally that ended up with explosions and pepper balls. Joey Gibson's the leader of Patriot Prayer. Incidentally, Gibson had also organized a far right rally in Portland in April, 2017, where Jeremy Christian was in attendance

and was found on video marching around doing Nazi salutes. At the June rally, Gibson made a concerted effort to distance himself from Christian, which I think is a good idea that's good for business. Bad for history, good for business. Probably, probably. At the rally in June, the police detained

approximately 400 counter protesters for about an hour. But a report that came out from the Independent Police Review Division pointed out that the police never gave a legal reason for their detention, so it seems like the sort of behavior Alex Jones might call tyranny. Pictures and videos came out of Portland police

wrestling a counter-protester to the ground. That might not have been too shocking or a cause for serious concern, but the other thing that was in that video certainly was. Todd Kelsey, member of the American Freedom Keepers Militia, is seen literally helping the police detain the demonstrator. Kelsey would go on to tell the Guardian

that the police officer who was arresting the guy had asked for his help, despite there being a ton of other cops around, literally three of them on top of this demonstrator alone. But you get this militia guy, hey, give me a hand. Well, I mean, he's a militia member there, so the assumption is that he's there to assist the law enforcement and peacekeeping systems, Dan.

Militias are never used for terrorist purposes. There's a really suspicious theme emerging there that the police were being on the side of the right-wing folks, as opposed to being neutral upholders of the law. And this suspicion was confirmed on June 27th, 2018, when the Independent Police Review released their full report about the police response at that rally.

They said, quote, one lieutenant felt the right-wing protesters were much more mainstream than the left-wing protesters, and that they were more into the right-wing because the left-wing folks were, quote, a group that was diverse in their viewpoints and tactics. A police officer- Boy, that's on the nose.

That's a little bit on the nose, right? Maybe. That's literally like saying, well, they're not all white dudes. Yep. It was pretty plain to see that the Portland Police Department was more or less showing where their priorities were,

and things got worse from there. In October, 2018, it was announced that members of Patriot Prayer were found on the roof of a parking structure in downtown Portland, quote, with a cache of firearms before a scheduled protest on August 4th, a couple months earlier. The cache was said to have included long guns.

No one was arrested, which may be an okay decision if none of the guns were illegal and everyone's paperwork was in order and all that, but even if you're not gonna arrest anyone when you find them, it might be considered a strategic location with a cache of firearms, that revelation should at least inform

how you behave as law enforcement during the upcoming rally. But it didn't. Police charged counter protesters at that rally with their clubs drawn, after someone told them that they'd been hit by a water bottle, which, quote, likely came from a counter-protester.

Likely came from a counter-protester. Hmm. Doug Brown, a photographer who was there on the scene, told The Guardian, quote, the first missile I saw and heard came from the Patriot Prayer side, across the street, toward the protesters. I don't know who set it off,

but it went towards the black block, and then the police just swarmed them. A woman was sent to the hospital after being hit by a flashbang. Joey Gibson's second command, a man named Tiny, was seen at the protest in a shirt that read, Pinochet did nothing wrong.

This all- Cool, that sounds like a good shirt. Do we have that one up yet? Do not. Okay, good. That August rally was a month after another rally that they had on June 30th, which descended into total chaos

and was declared a riot. There's a clear pattern here, and it's one where the police department is not interested in doing anything to control the far-right elements like Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys. They work to stage violent street actions under the guise of free speech rallies,

and that's sort of dumb bullshit. In February 2019, Katie Shepard of the Willamette Week reported on text messages that were exchanged between Joey Gibson and the Portland police. The messages start to make things a little more clear. On multiple instances, Portland police Lieutenant Jeff Nia

appears to be providing Gibson with intel on where left-wing protests were taking place, and on one occasion, he quote, told Gibson that Portland police were not monitoring a protest hosted by the Queer Liberation Front in an attempt to dissuade Gibson's right-wing group from showing up, which is to say,

you're gonna get fucked up if you go there. The police aren't going to be able to get your back, which is fucked up. Right, yeah. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, I mean, you know, it's not, the police have long been a tool of the fascist state, but boy, did they, did we discover

how white nationalists they are. As it's come to that, they've always been white nationalists. It's tough to overstate, but it's also tough for me to fully encapsulate, if that makes sense. But here's the thing, man, so Jeff Nia, the Portland police Lieutenant, right? I mean, he's texting all the time with Joey Gibson,

giving him all this friendly banter and information, but it should be pointed out that in 2017, it did come out that he was also texting with someone from the anti-fascist side. It came out that 20-year-old anti-fascist activist named Tan had been texting with him a bunch, but that situation was a little bit different. Whereas Nia was providing Joey Gibson

with information to protect his right-wing group, Nia was using Tan as an informant to gather information about where counter-demonstrators were marching. I feel like this is a pretty succinct illustration of the way the Portland police have engaged with this unfolding situation. Reach out to the left in hopes of finding a snitch and feed information to the right-wing provocateurs

so they can avoid and evade trouble. There's far more to this story than I can credibly explain to you here on this episode, but it's important to remember that nothing exists in a vacuum. So when the Portland Police Bureau tweets out something that's dumb as shit, like the concrete milkshake Don Sense, it often can't be seen as a single isolated event,

but rather just one more instance in a years-long pattern of the police department declaring their allegiance, deciding with the crowd that is intermingled with neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and militia members. Do you mean just the Republican Party? This has nothing to do with anything, but it deserves mentioning that the Portland Police Bureau's current chief is named Danielle Outlaw.

Oh! Just an ironic thing. That is fun. Yeah. That is fun. Gotta end things on a fun note. Come on now. Her name's Outlaw.

Everybody keeps promoting her just like, wouldn't it be hilarious? Wouldn't it be great? Wouldn't it be so funny? Our top cop is an Outlaw. Yeah, come on, guys. Let's all have a great time. So, I mean, this isn't to say that the Portland Police

Department is 100% working with these right-wing provocateurs or anything like that, but it does seem to indicate, you know, when you look at the information that's available, you look at the stories, you look at the trends, you see that there is a clear preference. Well, but that's- There is a differential treatment of the two groups. Of course.

That doesn't, is not explained by the behavior of those two groups. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's explained by the behavior of the cops since fucking America started. The whole job of the cops is to ensure any kind of counter-protest. It's like a, it's a fucking tool of the status quo.

There's not been any protest in America's history where the cops have been on the side of the right, or on the side of good, so to speak, you know? It's not like cops were hanging out with Black Panthers. I bet there were a few. Oh, yeah. Which is, I guess it doesn't really change anything. Nope.

Dan, not every cop in Chicago has murdered somebody, but enough cops in Chicago have murdered somebody that you don't trust the cops in Chicago. Right. You don't have to have a universal problem in order for something to be a systemic problem. Yeah, exactly. And it does appear that way.

From everything I can tell in all the reporting, I'm able to find on it. So in this next clip, Alex just keeps doubling down and stressing his extreme positions that are preemptive justifications for violence. Let this sink in. Antifa, the Maoist communist group in the United States set up 30 years ago that calls for overthrowing

the government, killing their political enemies, banning free speech. They are now nationwide saying they're gonna attack anybody at Fourth of July rallies, anybody that tries to go out in public, anybody that tries to support Trump, any type of veterans rallies, any type of free speech rallies

that they're gonna attack them with chemical weapons, with acid attacks, barring it from the Islamists who are their gods. Oh, good. Can we sue him now? I don't know. I don't think we can. I don't know if we have standing.

I think we have some standing. I don't know. I mean, I'm anti-fascist. And Antifa doesn't really exist as a thing. So what he's really saying is anyone who is against anti-fascist or anyone's anti-fascist. Well, the fact that he is describing a non-entity

kind of means that you can't sue him. That's true. Fair. Shit. But what he's doing there is he's taking, you know, everything and every event that you might go to, all of you right-leaning people, every event that you go to, be fucking scared.

Always. Be on edge. Every moment. It's gonna be a high-tension situation. If somebody's got a milkshake, you know what to do. You know what to do. You know what to do.

Probably gonna have to kill him. We know it. It's justified. It's defensible. They're going to hit your kid with a fucking chemical weapon. Do you want your kid to grow a blind because some anti-fascist through concrete, you know, milkshake on him?

Do you want that? Well, you better bring your fucking gun to this barbecue that you're going to. I think that's a good idea. Cause do you know what I love at my barbecues with all of my family, none of whom are gun loving people who all carry guns and are afraid in the exact same way,

is that when there are a lot of people together with guns and somebody maybe has a janky trigger finger and somebody walks up with the milkshake, maybe they fire on accident, all of a sudden there are a lot of guns firing real quick. Aren't there, Dan? I would assume so. It's like that, like you're in a big group of people,

one guy throws up and then everyone throws up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sort of trigger reaction happens. So based on nothing, Alex now is going to report that there were hundreds of containers of chemical weapon at the Portland rally. Are we going to address what should be very obvious

to Alex right now? The, what, that people drinking them would be dead? That he's literally doing exactly what the lead up to the Iraq war was. Oh, I mean, I don't think he cares. No, he doesn't care, but this is like, this is borderline word for word kind of situation here. Yeah.

So hundreds of containers, Jordan, of chemical weapons. Acid attacks are taking place in America. They mixed hundreds of containers of the chemical weapon. What the right wing really would love these militia guys is if they did put chemical shit in the milkshake. Definitely. They would love that. If that was reported in the New York Times and Fox News,

it would be open fucking season. That's what they want. It would be the end of this being like a conversation that you could have, you know, like it were their chemicals in those milkshakes. No matter how much you support social justice, no matter how much you are against white nationalists and that would be the beginning of the war.

I walk as I think that you are breaking, you're committing war crimes. Yeah, exactly. Chemical warfare is presumably not allowed in war. I mean, probably not for at least a good, I think we had a good five-year stretch. I said presumable. Five-year stretch where it wasn't allowed.

I said presumable. I think after 1979, I think we had a good run. All right, but that's where it becomes unjustifiable to not be against this group. Yeah. And that's why they want it to be true and simultaneously why it is never going to be true. Exactly.

So anyway, it's a lot of bullshit. Yep. Anyway, in this next clip, Alex explains that people with milkshakes that presumably have concrete in them is why we have the Second Amendment. Is that why? Apparently. I don't think so.

His reason changes constantly. Does, does it? This is terrorism in America, mobs of cowards, ganging up. This is why we have the Second Amendment, folks. Make sure they come into your houses, which they pledge to do. What?

They're going to come to your houses. And let me tell you this, they never will. Nope. You never see these counter protesters anywhere other than counter-protesting super right-wing events. They don't show up to your house, but you know who does have a bit of a history with that? The Proud Boys.

Huh. In May 2018, video artist Vic Berger, formerly of Super Deluxe, was on a bit of a streak making fun of the Proud Boys and their leader, Gavin McGinnis. The gang didn't take kindly to that, and according to a message posted in their group chat, they had a goal of doxing Vic, saying in all caps, quote,

let's show them their consequences. Then, a dude showed up at Vic's house. Speaking to HuffPost, Vic Berger said, quote, when I answered the door, he seemed nervous, like he wasn't expecting me. It was the middle of the day, and my wife was home. He said, are you Vic? Your videos are hurting a lot of people.

You're really hurting the Proud Boys. You need to stop making these videos. Probably because Vic chased the guy immediately, this incident didn't escalate, but it's the sort of thing that absolutely is the next level of scary. The Proud Boys are a gang where you literally have to get into a fight

or get arrested for the gang in order to reach the fourth degree of initiation, which is the sort of thing that the sort of shitheads who gravitate towards a gang where you have to name serials who are getting softly punched in order to join, they might take that to mean track down and assault people who don't like us.

Proud Boys! That does feel like that might be how you interpret the fourth degree. Vic Berger is far from the only critic of the right wing who's been doxxed or threatened by the Proud Boys. Nathan Bernard also has had his address posted on Twitter and others have alleged that they've had gang members show up at their homes.

This is a hugely inappropriate level of intimidation that they're engaging in, which I do consider to be a form of violence and they know exactly what they're doing. Oh yeah. Oh, you also have Tommy Robinson who recently showed up at a critic of his, Mike Stuckberry's house at 11 p.m.

and banged on his doors and windows. This is of course, after giving out the dude's address and social media accounts on a live stream that he was doing. So of course, the banging on the walls was accompanied by a flood of threatening messages on the guy's phone.

Mike called the police and Tommy left only to return at 5 a.m. and do it all over again. This is clear intimidation, meant to get people to stop giving critical coverage to xenophobic, far right racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic and overall shithead actors in our society. Antifa, in quotes, isn't doing that.

They're not showing up at your house. They're showing up when you have a rally to make it harder for you to speak in public because your views are repulsive. That's what's going on. No one's going to your goddamn house. Well, anything that they are... Because again, that's the same thing

as putting concrete in the milkshake. Exactly. They start showing up at people's houses and the argument becomes indefensible like it should be for the proud boys. Like, Alex should disavow them and be like, this has gone too far. Showing up at people we disagree with's houses.

Tommy Robinson was on Alex's show the day after he did this shit to his critic. And Alex was like, oh man, you gotta give it to that guy. Stick it to him. Anyway, so in this next clip, you know, look, they're putting acid in the milkshakes. Sure, sure. And that's pretty bad.

It's a bummer. But Alex isn't worried. Oh, okay, good. We're gonna find out that the acid won't beat bullets when we defend ourselves. Okay, just shoot him. Shoot him then. Shoot the people with milkshakes, Alex.

That's a great plan. Is that a new rock, paper, scissors kind of situation? Bullets, bullets beat acid, acid beats milkshake, milkshake beats bullets. Yeah, let's say that. I think that works. So in this next clip, we kind of realize why Alex is ramping up this rhetoric so intensely.

You can really feel that this 35 seconds is indicative of why he needs to do shit like this, which is deeply irresponsible and very dangerous. You just saw terrorists mixing up hundreds of cups of a chemical weapon. Quick set concrete has four different types of acid in it. It makes concrete fuse together. It'll eat your eyeballs out, ask anybody,

read the damn package. New video shows Antifa crowbar attack, macing of elderly man. Paul Joseph Watson, infowars.com, newswars.com. We're gonna go to Paul Watson right now. But please remember, this is why we need your support. America is going in the most insane time since 1776. He needs to make it so extreme

because that justifies why you need to give him your money now. Yep. You need to, look, we got a half off sale on everything. Free shipping, double patriot points. Antifa's making chemical weapons just to fucking give me your money. We need it.

Right. That's what's going on. Yeah, it is. He doesn't care that he's putting people in very serious danger. Well, no, because he needs money on a timetable that justifies the timetable that people need to act, you know? Like he needs money now.

Well, it looks like he needs it in the next couple days. Exactly. Well, that's what I'm saying. Usually he can be like, it's the summer of rage. It's coming up. So donate so we can fight off against this. But it's like, I need $100,000 tomorrow. So guess what, Antifa's coming to your house.

Give me money. Otherwise Antifa's gonna be there. Chemical weapons on your kids on the fourth. Now. He's obsessed with the July 4th stuff. Right. As he says, you know, reiterates in this next clip. They're about to make their move.

Paul Joseph Watson of summit.newsandinfullwars.com. You have been at the epicenter. I asked you to come on last week. You were too busy about the threats of acid attacks against Briggs itters. And now it's happening in America. And they say coming up July 4th, they're gonna hit everybody at July 4th in DC.

My God, imagine terrorists are gonna mix up acid and attack conservatives all over the world. And our own governments aren't gonna do a damn thing, Paul. Wow. Very extreme. Okay. So Paul Joseph Watson has an interesting idea about how one might go about taking care

of this here Antifa problem. That's not good. I don't like his ideas, period. No, it's a pretty bad idea, especially coming from him. Yeah. These masks are only being worn for one reason. So they can get away with committing violent crime. Okay, so if they come into a protest area

with an object which is gonna be used in the process of committing a violent crime, why is that not being taken away from them? Ban the masks and then it's bye-bye Antifa because they can no longer hide their identities. So that's an interesting idea. And it's always great to hear noted guy who cries about free speech all the time.

Paul Joseph Watson advocating publicly that the government should be in the business of regulating citizens' clothing choices. This shit is really stupid, considering how many right-wing demonstrators wear masks and how the government control that people's clothing is a fucking insane thing for a supposed libertarian to advocate for.

If the problem is that masks make people harder to identify and your solution is to ban them, I got bad news about hats, wigs, face paint, makeup, sunglasses and facial hair. Those things make people harder to identify too. So I guess the state should probably crack down on any of that shit. Don't forget mission impossible masks.

Also pretty sure side benefit of this is that Alex and Paul Joseph Watson would then be able to make sure that Muslims couldn't wear their nicobes. It would be nice. Sure. That's just a killing two birds with one stone. And the best part about this, Jordan,

if you look at the pictures of the people who are making the milkshakes at the Portland protest, most of them were not wearing masks. If you sincerely believe that these people were mixing up goddamn chemical weapons in broad daylight around everybody taking pictures, you would expect they would have been the most heavily masked people out there.

And that was not the case. Paul Joseph Watson and his ilk want these people not to be allowed to wear masks because they want to dox them and subject them to targeted harassment. It's that simple. And Paul wants the state to step in and make it easier for them

to figure out who these people are so they can start propaganda campaigns against them and somehow tie them to sorrows or some shit. This is one of their favorite weapons in the information warfare arsenal. And a simple bandana so completely stymies them that they're willing to throw away all their limited government,

individualism, freedom, bullshit. These are sad people. So sad people when they're pushed to the wall, when they're when their back is to the wall and people with bandanas and a dessert are wrecking their shop, they cry for the state. It really, it really is like. I hate the state, but please help me.

They make it illegal for these people to make me look silly. I know, right? I would be a hero. I would be a man if we were fighting a war, but you're throwing a milkshake at me. So instead of being a strong man, I look like a silly girl. Oh, I need the government, social safety net.

Yeah. So, you know, Alex and Paul just Watson are also dudes who are very seriously like mad about the idea that they've been kicked off social media and like they're not allowed on Patreon. They're not allowed on all sorts of other places where normal people congregate. Right, right, right.

So it's interesting to hear Paul just Watson advocate this. We know the group behind it. Alex is called Rose City and Tifa. They've literally got a post on Facebook right now celebrating the quote amazing success of their people smashing in old men's heads with crowbars and macing them in the face. They're on Twitter, not being banned,

not being suspended on Twitter. They're raising money from a website called rally.org. People need to contact this website called rally.org and ask them, do you support domestic terrorism because your platform is being used to raise money for domestic terrorists? They've got a website who hosts their website. I want to be clear.

I'm totally fine with Paul doing that because if you do believe that this, you know, somebody is so way out of line and they're being supported by being on this platform and you want to make your voice heard, you're disapproval towards that platform that they are hosting this person. I'm of the belief that you have every right

to express that to the platform and if they so choose, they can kick the person off. Paul Joseph Watson should not believe that based on everything that InfoWars has been saying for the last year at least, they absolutely should not be being like, hey, you know what? You need to go apply pressure

so these places kick people off of them. All they do is complain about how that's what happened to them. Yeah. It's nonsense. Does he think he's, does he think he's going to, they're going to call his bluff? Like, what does he think? Like, cause he's ostensibly saying that as like a,

well, if we get banned, why don't they get banned? That must be a tacit admission that they support them. I think he's just trying to hurt them. I think that's all it is. I think it's all just like that. I think he's just a little titty baby lashing out. More or less. I think it's a galvanizing of the troops towards like,

hey, let's flood these places with messages. Maybe their crowdfunding will be taken away. Maybe we can get their website, take kicked off its hosting. Right, right, right. It's that sort of thing. Maybe we can get James Gunn off of directing and Gary and the Galaxy 3.

Yeah, it's that sort of like, let's start a brigade kind of thing. Right, right, right. It doesn't mean fine. It's lame. Certainly doesn't match up with anything they believe. It seems like it, which again, is so fucking indicative how this operates.

It's like, anytime there's something that goes, like it's just not working in your favor. Principles. They want one set of rules for them and one set of rules for everybody else. And they want everybody else to pretend that they aren't different. Yeah.

So in this next clip, I think that this is a really pretty, like succinct and scary version of Alex's position on things. The left is making the revolutionary terrorist move. They've now ratcheted out to organized people, handing out concrete, acid, chemical weapon milkshakes. If that's true, if what he is reporting is true,

if you believe that, why aren't you killing them? You know what I mean? Yeah. You don't have a choice. If you accept that as a reality and you accept that that is happening, like you're like, all right, well, we'll wait and see what happens.

At what point is it like, hey, it's time. They're throwing chemical weapons at people. They've declared a revolution and they're clandestinely throwing chemical weapons at people and the government doesn't care. How much more severe can the situation that Alex is presenting ever be? I don't see another, like, well, I mean,

of course they're, you know, you can always add a little design here, a little design, you can gild the lily a little bit. But like in terms of, hey, Alex, you are saying that these people are in a war. Yeah. Like not some sort of a like. No, it's gone from a cold war to a hot war.

If you're throwing battery acid, or if you're throwing acid at people, it's a hot war. Yeah, yeah. Now, honestly, and this is only based on just knowing Alex through this show, but I think there's a part of him that genuinely does not think that it would be a war unless they used guns too.

Yeah, you know what, you're probably right, yeah. Like if they blew up the police station, they'd be like, how dare they fight that? They didn't use a gun. So it was not really a war, you know, like. I think that you might be right. The idea of the shot heard around the world is such an obsession of their, yeah.

It has to be a gun. That's interesting. That might be the case. Right, and isn't that stupid? And it definitely shouldn't be something that I thought. And it shouldn't be something that you agreed with. But it does kind of sound right. Nope.

Crazy. So speaking of crazy, Alex has a new product that he's selling in honor of his debate coverage that he wasn't on most of. We've only got about a hundred left of the Clown World Ultra Limited Edition, Clown World T-shirts. That's at infowarstore.com.

So I wanted to bring this up because when I heard Alex called his Democratic debate coverage Clown World, I didn't really think too much about it. It kind of made sense that he would call the Democrats Clowns and he's not very creative. So it just made sense. Yeah, I thought Clown World was quick. Yeah, I didn't even really think too much

about the fact that he literally said on air that he took the name from 4chan and 8chan because he pretty much takes everything from there. So I didn't even really cross my mind that this is somehow weird. However, it's come to my attention from some people who spend more time at the bad parts of the internet than I do,

that the term Clown World has some really bad connotations in those parts of the web. And Alex is clearly signaling to those people. The Clown World meme began on the chance as the publication forward put it, quote, they were, quote, describing what they see as the logic of a liberal non-racist society. As being Clown World.

When they would post stories that seemed to fit into their worldview, they'd use the code honk honk to express that everything was backwards. From there, the terminology and meme took hold in all of the wrong places. It became really popular on the Daily Stormer and on April 22nd of this year, quote, two members of the American Identity Movement,

the white nationalist group formerly known as Identity Europa dressed as Clowns and entered the New Orleans Public Library to disrupt a children's story time program being led by local drag queens. Welcome to Clown World honk honk, their sign said. I'm really afraid because the right is getting good at comedy. We're getting great at it.

They're getting really good at it. The meme world is not for me. I think even non-racist memes are kind of stupid. So I'm probably not the best person to cover this topic and all the nuances of it. But suffice it to say that Alex Jones is fully aware of the racist and anti-Semitic roots and world that this meme that he's naming

his demo debate coverage comes out of, you know? He knows what he's doing and it's equal parts disturbing and kind of pathetic to see how far he's fallen. He's gone from being heavily associated with Ron Paul's campaign in 2012 to trying to court racist edge lords as fans and doing interviews with Count Dankula in 2019. It's really sad what a couple of really big bad decisions

can do to a person's career. Like I'm not saying that his career was amazing before, but comparatively. Compared to mine, it's been amazing. Holy shit, like just a couple years, man. Just. Yeah. I mean, in the same time, it's not like it's for him.

You know, we can point to those big decisions, but it's been a million small ones along the way. Yeah, don't get me wrong. You know, it's a death of 1,000 cuts, but it's also a couple of chops. Yeah. He's really made every mistake and then leaned into it, thinking that it would get him out to it.

He thought he could mistake his way through to the other side, basically. He thought he could duke the hazard. It's not working. You can't jump Snake River Canyon and I can mix metaphors. Isn't that references? Yeah. Reference is a metaphor.

Do you mean that figuratively or literally? Paradoxically. Interesting. So in court, Alex is constantly saying that, you know, like, hey, man, yeah, I fucking sell things, right, bro? Yeah, I sell things. He does. I love selling.

He's a good salesman. But oh, no, my show and my ads are different. They're separate. I now Jordan. OK, now hold on legally. So anyway, I know that that's not true. It's complete nonsense. Yes, of course, of course.

This little clip here is just so amazing how, like, how exactly indicative it is of how intertwined show and ad are content and marketing are completely blended. We have the great new limited edition space shuttle, space force shirt that's so popular and a lot of others. But whatever you do, think about how free speech is under attack and how critical info wars is to be the loud, focused voice pointing out this is a chemical acid attack.

Not seeing that on Fox or CNN. That's the truth. That's how crazy it's gotten. So read the thousands of five star reviews. Everything is 50% off at infowarslife.com So that's almost like a poem structure. That's like a B a B. Yeah, yeah, that was crazy.

And content ad content. It's it's not it's it's it's it's not a it's not a haiku. It's Senryu. I think it's it's out of control. It's almost like DNA. Yeah, double helix. It's it's tough to argue that content and ad aren't inextricably related.

What that reminds me of so much is I, my girlfriend made me watch The Bachelorette with her. We know one night and one night. There was this they go walking in a park somewhere and there's all of a sudden very, very conspicuously an ice cream guy selling Halo Top ice cream or whatever it's called. And they get two big things and the camera zooms in on them,

cut to break. Halo Top ice cream is a proud sponsor. And it's like Jesus guys, that's too much. Yeah, just bad product placement. That's too much. Yeah, speaking of which. Yeah, I love I get to your product around. Ooh, Sour Patch.

Sour Patch. All right. The official they got new the new ones. Oh, yeah. Strawberries. You know, I did not know that. Watermelons are the best. So I saw strawberries.

They taste like strawberries. Oh, OK. Ish the candy. All right. So the argument that Antifa is going out there through doing some chemical warfare. I mean, that would certainly be emboldened by past stories of Antifa committed chemical warfare.

And thankfully, Paul Joseph Watson has one such story. Get into what you predicts coming next, DC, the lack of action on this terror group, the mixing of the chemical weapon in front of everybody, the police standing down. This shows they're really going to go the whole way coming into 2020. Well, people forget that Antifa members were actually

arrested back in February 2017 for planning an acid attack on Trump supporters. Whether Trump administration is actually going to do anything about literal terrorists trying to target his supporters remains to be seen. But there's a headline from 2017. Third arrest made in connection to planned deplorable acid attack.

We all remember that deplorable. We remember where we were when. It was a, it was a star set at evening, the deplorable. I believe Alex was late because he had to pee on a tree drunkenly. There was that. Paul Joseph Watson is referencing a really dishonest story. This was about a man named Scott Charney who played guilty

not to planning a gas attack on the deplorable, but to discussing one. He had zero intention to commit an acid attack or any type of attack for that matter. His offense was so severe, though, that he just had to do 48 hours of community service, which after which point his record was expunged. It wasn't a very serious.

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Charney was arrested. Literal terrorist, you mean. Right. Charney was arrested because James O'Keefe had secretly recorded him discussing the idea of a quote unquote acid attack on the deplorable. The conversation was about pulling the fire alarms

and throwing a stink bomb, by the way. But of course Paul Joseph Watson and his ilk make it out to be mustard gas for some shit. Why isn't O'Keefe in jail? Ah, because he plied it down. Mother fucker. Not this one, another one. Yeah.

So Charney was a member of the group Disrupt J20, which was a group that was all about disrupting events surrounding the inauguration. It's easy to paint them as being solely anti-Trump as a group because Trump won. But at least one of the representatives has gone on record that they would have been just as active as Hillary won. This is suspiciously absent from any right-wing coverage

of the group, but oh well. I mean, it's obvious to be cut. Why? Yeah. You know. Representatives from Disrupt J20 have said they knew that the person they were talking to was a project of a baritoss plant and they were just fucking with him.

And that might be true. It might not be. But either way, this is not evidence of anyone planning an acid attack. Framing it that way only serves one purpose, and that is to exaggerate your side's victim status, which is really sad to see. There's a lot of stuff that just makes me real sad

on this episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, there's a lot, like it's an interesting journey of like a bummed out, this is pathetic, and then man, when we get to the end of this, look out. It's a weird feeling to be, I think, quite literally threatened with death by this radio host and his cohorts. Wait for that.

Wait for those feelings to really develop. And then at the same time feel like they are so sad and pathetic that it's not worth my time, while at the same time, no, they are sad and pathetic and they love guns. And the sadness and patheticness might only make it more dangerous for you. Exactly, yeah, yeah.

So a lot of Paul Joseph Watson's appearance is about how this guy, the lion of London Bridge. Sure. He is being sent to de-radicalization training and being put on a watch list in the UK. Oh, that's good. He's a dude who was the guy who on London Bridge and there was a knife attack going on,

he charged the terrorist and committed an act of heroics. And this is an example of how the hero is being painted as the terrorist. Paul Joseph Watson has a lot of thoughts about that. Here's a little clip of it. You've got this Roy Lana who was the hero of the whole thing. Now he's been put on a terror watch list by the government and he's been forced to attend de-radicalization classes.

He says, quote, they treat me like a terrorist but I'm not political at all. So he wasn't even political and they've put him in this database. They've put him on this program. You know what a lot of shitheads like to say? I'm not political. Yeah, he seems to say that a lot.

So it's interesting the way that Paul Joseph Watson's covering the story here about Roy Larner, the lion of London Bridge. Well, it is true that Roy did engage in what you could easily call a selfless act of heroics when he put himself in harm's way to charge a terrorist. It's absolutely unfair to say that the reason he may have been asked to get some sensitivity training

is because he dared to say that the terrorist is Muslim, which is what Paul Joseph Watson's angle on the whole thing is. Also a small point, Paul Joseph Watson in this appearance says that Larner charged the terrorist yelling that he was British and like, yeah, come on, you can't do this, I'm British. But actually what he said is, fuck you on Millwall,

referencing his favorite soccer club. So because he was drunk at a bar before they attacked. I don't judge anybody for that. Me neither. Anyway, Roy Larner has a bit of a past to him. A couple of weeks before his actions on London Bridge, Larner was caught on camera spitting on a black photographer and yelling at him and calling him a foreign cunt

who stinks like shit before yelling national front. I'm part of them. Oh, no, well, then no, no, no, no, no, no, get out of here. Not political. Go back to Millwall, man. There were a lot of Reddit comments that I could find about discussing the situation. And they're like, oh my God,

someone who likes Millwall is a piece of shit. These soccer rivalries are brutal. Also, after his altercation on the London Bridge, he decided to drop by his MP's office, Neil Coyne. I just wanted to go say hi and to tell him that the city con is a piece of shit and that quote, all Muslims are the same, scum. Okay, all right, okay.

Because of those two incidents, he was taken into court and he admitted the first was racially aggravated and the second was religiously aggravated. He was sentenced to eight weeks, but the sentence was suspended, largely because of his high profile as a bit of a hero. He was, however, banned from dropping by his MP's office for two years.

I like that, that's good. That's good advice. Don't come back. That's actually for his own good, let's be honest. That's best for him. There's a trend about that that you see develop. People trying to save him from himself. So this is a dude who is a member of the National Front

who committed multiple instances of racial and religiously based assaults. According to British law, that is what he did. In the present day, he was found to be in communication with extremist groups. So the state put him on a watch list and made him go to de-radicalization treatment and training. And guess what?

That's not the government encroaching on oppressing him, either. Part of his plea deal in the whole racist Islamophobic outbursts case is that he had to undergo anger management and diversity awareness courses and his sentence was then suspended for a year. That doesn't mean it went away. It was suspended for a year.

That means if he reoffends within that year, his sentence is no longer suspended. Less than a year later, he was busted with half a pound of amphetamines, a charge which he again was spared jail time for given his status as a hero. He was given another suspended sentence, remanded to attend a rehab program, and that was that.

Roy Lerner has been given a whole lot of chances thanks to his status as a hero. And I think that might be healthy for society. I think it's possible. But that being said, make no mistake about it, what is happening now is him being given another chance. The idea of going to de-radicalization training and being watched is saving him from himself.

This is not a punishment. We are really, look, this is us being really grateful to you. Yeah. We don't want to lock up someone that has a heroic image. And if you go down this path, teaming up with extremist groups with the tendencies that you've already shown, we're worried. We're gonna have to put you, yeah.

Aw, man, that so sucks. So I think giving him a lot of chances because he's a hero, like I said, I think that's probably healthy for society. But they're trying and going out of their way to save him from himself, which may not be healthy for society because eventually the dam's gonna break. God, that sucks so hard that you can be like,

he's just a fucking Islamophobic monster who accidentally attacked at the right time. Like, it's almost a coincidence that he, it's like if he was trying to punch every Muslim that he ever saw sooner or later, one of them would be actually bad and then he'd be a hero, like that's annoying. I mean, that's one way to look at it.

Yeah. One of the problems with the right-wing propagandists like Paul Joseph Watson is that their world and how they make their money doesn't allow for complexity. Everyone has to be all good or all bad. And that's just not realistic at all. Just like how some generally good people do bad, bad things sometimes.

It's also the case that sometimes total pieces of shit rise to the levels of heroics when their medal is tested. Staking everything on this guy always being in the right because one time he was drunk and fought the right people, seems like a bad way to live. And from everything I can tell, it seems like Roy Liner is a piece of shit

who just did something amazing one time. And it's something that I don't know if I would have the wherewithal to be able to do. I hope that should I be tested in such a way I would rise to the occasion, but I don't fucking know. Dude with knives slashing around, charging at them. I don't have no idea. I am impressed by being able to do that,

but now we've come to the point of the episode where everything goes wrong, Jordan. That was, so before we were doing good? Relatively. Oh boy. So it's interesting, you know how the past and the present combine when we look at them? I hate you.

You know who shows up. If you say 1.6 million. Oh, no, no, no, no. You know who shows up on July 1st? What's that? Stuart Rhodes. God damn it, Dan. Stuart Rhodes showed up on July 1st.

And he had some reminiscent things to say. President Trump is gonna take decisive action right now. In addition to declaring an antifa terrorist organization, he should go ahead and just federalize the National Guard and deploy them into both California and Oregon. And while he's there, not just press antifa, but also start rounding up illegal aliens and boarding using the National Guard, frankly.

So what do you have to do? Absolutely. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's so fucked up. No, no, no, no, no, you can't say that. So fucked up. You can't say that. He's not supposed to believe that that's okay.

Well, Alex obviously isn't supposed to be able, or he should, based on everything he believes, he should be against the idea of executive, a president federalizing the National Guard and taking them into states where the governor doesn't want them to be used for that purpose. That's against states' rights.

That's opposed to literally everything he believes in. But he's for it now. So Stuart Rhodes, first of all, I gotta say, this drives me fucking crazy that he needs to change the battery on his smoke detector. So it keeps beeping in the background. It's driving me nuts listening to this. Very small issue in terms of the interview

and the problems that are there. Right, right, right, right, right. It's there. It's there. That's the issue. Okay. Sure, sure, the content is awful, but you know, set design is important too.

Yeah. Dogs barking in the background. Who are you? Larry Nichols is the only person that gets away with that. Yeah. Stuart. What are we doing?

And that's cause he dropped an album. Yeah. Oh God. I forgot about that. Bangers. So good. So good. So what Stuart is saying there in that last clip

was enough to make me be like, oh God, oh God. We got the president, the head of the Oath Keepers coming in and saying that Trump needs to declare a vaguely nebulously defined group of people who oppose fascism to be a terrorist group. And not only that, needs to federalize the National Guard, take them into two left-leaning states in order to militarily suppress

this anti-fascist counter-demonstration. Which again, has no centralized leadership. And while we're at it, find out real illegal immigrant and kick them out of the country. Well yeah, but that's just a bonus, you know. That's profoundly fucked up. Objective one and objective two.

You're still going for one. That to me was like, well, I mean, that's what you'd expect a shit head to say, but it's fucking crazy to hear. Like and his delivery is so monotone and sort of blasé, so matter of fact, it's very fucked up, but it has nothing on what's to come. And his next clip, man,

you can't get more fucked up than this. They just attacked a bunch of people with acid in Portland and CNN's calling them heroes and Fox is barely reporting it. I mean, this is crazy. It is, and so we should recognize we're already in a civil war. We talked about this before at Bambrack

and we've been in a cold civil war for years, but the left, I believe, is ramping it up and we should just go ahead and just put a trigger on it now. In the form of President Trump declaring what it is and declaring an insurrection and deploying the military on the border to seal it and then internally, he should use a National Guard

and he should call on us, the retired military that runs out there in particular, and bring us in the service too as the militia. So on our last episode in 2013, we were discussing basically how Stuart Rhodes was coming in and making an appearance and largely a lot of his rhetoric seemed to be about the idea of finding ways to justify

being able to kill your political enemies. Now, six years later, what do we do on our very next episode? We find Stuart Rhodes coming in and arguing that Trump needs to make him and his buddies, the official militia, to go in and with the tacit and explicit support of the state, go in and suppress the political activity

of the people that they're opposed to. This is next level fucked up, not only in how fucked up it is, but in how it so confirms the things that we were talking about on the last episode. Yeah, I know, I don't like it. No, I feel like we just got, now I'm feeling like we're being dragged along by fate

instead of in control of our own destiny. Their destiny seems to be an invisible hand. This is really bumming me out. It doesn't bum me out, it kind of excites me in a certain way. I want control over my own destiny, Dad. I mean, I was telling you earlier, like before we started the show,

that I could barely sleep last night. Part of the reason was like this, the stuff that he's saying and what he continues to say, because it gets worse. What he's saying is so fucked up and so scary. The idea of anybody taking this seriously or agreeing with it or any of that,

even if it's only, let's say, 2,000 people, that's terrifying and it's more than 2,000 people. So that's terrifying, but then also the, what Adam Corolla used to call the great magnet, those like just the force that controls coincidences in the universe, where you take a step back and you're like, wow, that's weird. This is so weird to me.

This is weird, this is very weird. Partially because when we recorded our last episode, I was editing, I'm like, am I being a little, am I too extreme about Stuart? Like I know he's a fucking shithead, but am I jumping to conclusions that he's trying to create justifications and scenarios to kill people?

Nope. Nope. He's dead on doing that. It was as if the universe came together to be like, nah, Dan, you're good. And he has to know what that implies for the rest of the country. If that, like, that is a suspension,

no, not suspension, that is the end of democracy. I don't think they care. I don't think they care either. I think that's the feature. That has to be what they're going for, otherwise they would never advocate for this. Oh, well, I mean, George. Because if there was a peaceful transition of power, say,

and your political enemy then had precedent that it's fine to organize and federalize the National Guard and send them in to find terrorist organizations, guess who the fuck they would be coming for? An actual terrorist organization. Right, right, like, They don't want that. So they can't want any transfer of power ever again.

And I don't know if I can think of anybody associated with anti-fascist groups that have ever been caught making a napalm bomb. Nope. I can certainly think of a fucking oath keeper who did. So it's interesting that you're bringing that up. The idea of like this, like, it's the end of democracy. Yeah.

Like I said, I don't think they really give a shit. No. But I also think that they see our democracy and the way it's set up, the rules, the timing of it as a necessary challenge that they need to get around. And what's happening is, as advisors are telling him, well, you can't do this.

You can't go after them. You can't go after the sanctuary cities or sanctuary states. You can't do any of these things or the country will explode. Well, let it explode. Let it explode now while he's commander-in-chief. Let's get it over with.

Because otherwise it's gonna happen is they're gonna steal the election. I mean, the judicial watch already came out and said at least a million and a half, I think it's very low, a million and a half illegal aliens voted in midterms. I think it's far higher than that. So I think it's a little higher.

That's just in California. They just won their lawsuit. In California, it's 1.5 million. That just broke the judicial watch.org. So what you got there is Stuart Rhodes saying that we need to do this while Trump is still in control of the military because that's our shot.

That's the only chance we have of taking over. The way that this is being built up, the idea of like we gotta do it while Trump, it's best that we just do this while Trump is in charge. And if we don't, they're gonna steal the election. It's them showing all their cards that they know that he's fucked in 2020. Or at least they believe that there's no way

that he's going to win that election. Or at least they're insanely worried about that possibility. And this is the only way that they can guarantee that the train towards, I don't know, an ethno state, an illiberal state, certainly, is maintainable, or their progress could be continued. They're preemptively justifying him not leaving.

We'll get to that in a minute. So judicial watch didn't prove that millions of illegal votes were cast in California. This is Alex and Stuart repeating completely insane and not true talking points that Trump disseminated in his recent interview with Chuck Todd. All the judicial watch found was that there were as many as 1.59 million inactive voters

on the California voter rolls. This has nothing to do with illegal votes being cast. There's no indication from anything the judicial watch put out that any of these people voted. These are just people who moved away, or maybe they died and they never sent in a notice to take them off of voter rolls. Probably because literally no one ever does that.

Presenting this as proof in any way, the California admitted that they had millions or more illegal votes cast in any election is an absolute lie. These people are liars and they're lying because they want to kill people and they don't want to miss their chance. It's just not fair, Dan.

It's not fair. I think, why are you guys doing this? Stop it, stop it. Play by the rules and live in reality with the rest of us and stop trying to kill us. I know, there's part of me that is like, this is not true, but it's the way that my mind is wrapping itself around what's going on right now

is like immediately following the loss of the Civil War. Like the people in the Confederate South kind of got together and were like, do you know what was the problem? We didn't take the military with us when we left. So what if we just had control of it and then tried to secede? That's silly and all that stuff,

but it does have that feel of like, this is a group of people feeling like they have their chance to win the Civil War in 1865, finally. Yeah, no, it does feel that way. It really does. Yeah, so in this next clip, Alex does what he always does,

which is express what he wants by saying that he doesn't want it, but he does want it, but it's someone else's fault that it has to happen. Right. And I want to specifically get in to what you just said, because it's true. I don't want a violent revolution.

I don't want to offensively launch anything, but when the left is terrorist, they're foreign funded. They say, we don't believe in free speech. We're going to overthrow the government. We're going to kill our political opposition and they're out there chemical attacking people. They're saying we're going to attack for the July Parades.

The mainstream media is promoting it. The borders are broken down. The leftist Congress won't act and is blocking the president. We're already here. We've already been brought into this crisis. So it's Antifa's fault. It's the left's fault.

I don't want this violence, but no, I've got to do it. Right, cool. So this next clip, Alex gets into what is going to happen in his conception and just for a little bit of a heads up, I did write in the description of this clip, this is so fucked up. Trump's in now.

Imagine if Hillary was in. Imagine if they assassinated him. Imagine, and again, we're going to win this physical civil war, but I predict it's going to kill millions. They're going to start the fight. We're going to defend ourselves. They've already been punching us in the nose.

They're going to label us terrorists. They're going to order Blue City police to come after us and then it's all going to kick off and it's going to be Katie by the door and then they're going to call it a race war. They're going to trick a lot of folks into a race war and the country is going to descend into a black hole. It's going to descend into a warlord state

for several years. I would predict at least five years and the Blue Cities will starve to death, we're going to have to quarantine those cities and we need to, let's talk about, is there time to turn it around, but let's work in the scenarios of having to quarantine the Blue Cities

as the best move during the civil war. Are you doing coke? We know Trump's got the military for now and what the real divides are in the civil war. Is this coke talking? It's time to really be honest about all this. It's time to be really honest. I'm going to be really honest.

I've never heard Alex sound more giddy and excited than talking about starving a city of people. Quarantining Blue Cities, they're going to starve, we've got to quarantine those cities. We've got to quarantine them. It's going to be warlords for five years. Like the fantasizing, you think it's cocaine,

I think it's just giddiness. I mean, I think it's excitement. He sounds like a... It's real about the idea of terrorizing millions of people, starving them to death in cities where you keep them in at gunpoint. Right, did he steal all of this from Charles Manson? I'm pretty sure that's what Manson was saying

was going to happen. I know that Alex does think this is coming down fast. Yeah, Jesus. Hells are skeleton, man. Burr, burr, burr, burr, burr, burr, burr. So I know that Stuart has already kind of referenced this, but in this next clip they talk about how this has got to happen soon

because Trump isn't, like, is term ends in 2020 and we have to do this when Trump is in charge. And it's going to kick off. Of course, the thing that's back to your mind is, well, if we do any of these things, if he deploys the military on the border, he sends a National Guard out there and federalizes them and has them go around and round up illegal aliens,

then it'll cause a revolution or it'll cause a civil war in this country. Well, so be it. The left is going to go kinetic. Let it happen while Trump is commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. So he's saying that if Trump does these things or he federalizes the National Guard

and starts ethnically cleansing the country, which is what he just described, more or less. In, you know, not as many words, maybe. But yeah. Who rounded up people, Dan? I know one guy. He used to sell oil paintings. Yeah, on the Boston Boardwalk.

Yeah. But like he's saying that if they do that, then the left is going to start a civil war. So fucking let's do it. Right. So somehow... He compares it to, like, when you're feeling sick and you just got to throw up, go ahead and throw up.

You'll feel better afterwards. But they're talking about a fucking civil war. Right. And they're describing it as a self-defensive war, even though literally it is an offensive war from Trump. Like, they're just advocating a coup. That's bullshit. He's just federalizing the National Guard

and kicking a bunch of people out of the country. All right. And then Antifa gets really mad about that and they offensively start. No, but you shut the fuck up. Chicken and egg. But he was the one chicken-egg. All right.

But like atrocities are bad? Sure. I'm not going to disagree with that. But you're the one chicken-egg. Okay. So you, tough to figure out how to phrase this. So you in the past have expressed ideas that, you know, a lot of Trump people

probably wouldn't accept him losing in the 2020 election. Right. And my position on that is I think that you're being a little extreme. Because I have lived through Alex's rhetoric and I know that that was what he was saying about Obama at the end of his second term. It's kind of a sensational claim that people make

that I think is kind of unfounded. I'm looking forward to your hammer. Well, you and I are both bad at predicting things. And I do think that that's a dangerous prediction to make. I think it's unfair, generally speaking. And I still do for the most part. Except when we're talking about Stuart Rhodes. Because he very explicitly in this next clip

is saying that yeah, me and my friends, we're not going to accept the results of the 2020 election. Seems like it. And I think that if they were to do this, still the election, I think the political right in this country will not accept the results will be in a civil war anyway. So you might as well, this is kind of like being sick

and you need to throw up, right? You just take your finger down your throat and get it over with and get it over with now. So that you're not as bad off later. Cute analogy. So I mean, like if you have already used this judicial watch bullshit to lie to prove that everyone's going to steal an election,

then no matter what, if Trump loses, you're going to say it was stolen. And now you've already framed it that if the election is stolen, based on my definition of that, a civil war is going to break out. We're going to start a civil war if Trump loses the election. So we might as well do it now. All of this is Stuart Rhodes arguing, if not now, when?

Yep. There is no time like the present for a civil war. Start killing. Yep. Everybody open season. But here's the thing. It's preemptive. Because he knows that eventually Antifa's

going to kill somebody. And Andy was struck with what he said before, kept full of concrete. So this is actually lethal force. And eventually, Antifa's going to kill somebody. Fah has already killed somebody. No, no, no, no, no. Do you forget about Trump?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they didn't do that. OK. Look, it was mental illness, Dan. He was, you know, he was on Prozac, Dan. He was a lone actor, Dan. I understand that. But at the same time, if you're going to make this argument, and you're in that he's even lying about the concrete

nonsense, the idea that eventually they're going to kill somebody, so we've got to take care of this, flip that logic around. One of your guys killed somebody already. Yeah. Well, they're not afraid of it because they have all the guts. So, buddy. Come on.

What are you saying? Yep. So in this next clip, Stuart Rhodes quotes Tim Poole about something and makes a very dumb point. Tim Poole was saying that what this is is antifa is an identitarian white movement. He's right. It's almost predominantly 99% white.

It's young white liberals who condition like a zombie invasion, basically, to hate their own country and hate it with, you know, and so they'll fight to the death. And as I said before on your show, they'll go to the, they'll fight to the death believing that they're being killed by Nazis when us veterans get up and take them and take them to task and beat them and kill them in the streets in a civil war.

They will die believing with all their heart that they're fighting Nazis like their grandparents did in the. And let me stop you there. That's profound. I mean, that is profoundly fucked up. Yeah. When I heard that clip the first time listening through, my heart fluttered.

Like, I got a real sense of, holy shit. I can't believe we've reached a point where someone who is the head of an organization of people who have had domestic terrorists within their ranks. Yeah. Absolutely. The guy who is the head of the Oath Keepers feels comfortable coming on a program talking about how we got to do a civil war so we might as well do it now.

And then talking about with a blasé indifference, almost the idea of killing people in the streets. When we kill them in the streets, they'll think that they were fighting against fascists. Do you hear yourself? I don't understand. OK, now I get what you're saying. I get you're saying that that sounds

like something a fascist would say. I get it. I get why you would think that when I say that they will regret it whenever we're murdering them in the streets for their political beliefs. I just can't believe it. That does sound fascist. Now, I get but but have you let me give you a quote

by Thomas Thomas Jefferson. Me quote. Go ahead and fuck a box. Yeah, I cannot. I cannot believe that like that is acceptable in any way. And I can't believe that I, you know, I haven't heard media covering this. Yeah, right.

I, you know, granted, it's only July 2nd as we're recording this, but that's the day after this came out. Yeah, I have not heard anybody saying like, well, Stuart Rhodes is casually discussing starting a civil war immediately and giving graphic fantasies about murdering people in the streets. Yeah. It's like it is so crazy.

How many people are members of Oathkeepers? How many people like it's it's terrifying. It is legitimately terrifying to hear this. Especially when a part of that, like what he was really saying there and he, he hit it really, really close. But when he's talking about how Antifa is mostly young and white, he's, he said, hate their own country. And it's like what you meant was hate their own kind.

There's a piece of that is what he meant. And there's also the way there's also a deep irony all the way. There's a sad, sad irony of him being like, they're a young white identity and movement unlike my old white identity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Right. I'm told, man. Yeah. The fuck out of here. So in this next clip, we come back to earth a little bit

and we realize Alex is still first and foremost Alex Jones. But this is it. This is a second American Revolution. We're fighting back and I'm going to give you some inside baseball next segment with Stuart and our next guest comes on. But listen, I need financial support. All right. It's always, it always all roads, all roads lead to Rome, as they say, you know.

So in this next clip, I think we just get more Stuart Rhodes being real fucked up. But we want to make sure that the president gets a message from the military, most current serving and retired military that he has to act as commander in chief. He must deploy the military on the border. He must call on the federal service, all the National Guard Units of the States and put them on the border or even better.

Put them to work backing up eyes to go and round up the legal aliens who are going to be the voting block even better. He does not do this and do this now. And we're done politically. But the political solution window will have shut. We'll shut on 2020. No, you're right. God gave us a chance with Trump.

And if we don't all execute right now, I mean, the Democrats admit we're bringing in a group to outvote you. It's over and we're going to bring in communism. So the country will be gone. This is how we get conquered. So what's great here. And I think that it's what Alex does all the fucking time. Because if some media is to cover him a little bit, not very carefully,

they might say that Alex is saying the Civil War needs to start immediately. Or as what's really going on is Stuart Rhodes is very explicitly saying that. And then Alex is very carefully agreeing with him. But that's what's going on. Yeah. Alex is all things considered acquitting himself fairly OK and not committing any explicit crimes. Strongly disagree.

No, I mean, in like not explicitly committing a crime. I think agreeing with Stuart is like, it's tantamount to saying it yourself. I understand that there's a difference probably legally and factually. But intention wise. Oh, yeah, for sure. And meaning behind your words. I don't think there's a relevant difference. I agree.

So in this next clip, which is the last one we have of Stuart, and then we just have one pallet cleanser afterwards. They discuss, Alex and Stuart discuss how it's not just Antifa that's going to get killed in the streets. Well, that's comforting. I don't think it is. Oh, OK. And everybody I know is just they're like, tell us, Alex,

when we stop paying taxes and we start doing whatever we want and we start going after people. And by the way, my list is aren't dumb. You're you're they're not dumb. People aren't going to go find Antifa. We're going to I don't want this to happen. But I hope all the politicians and bureaucrats and people know Santa Claus has been making a list.

This is what is unintended consequences. The idea that like politicians are also going to get it. Well, they didn't understand that when you go into a warfare like that, a civil war, it's going to be their entire command and control. It's going to include them being, you know, it's going to include the journalists. It's going to include the leftist journalist

who are pushing their propaganda. This is something that happens in every civil war. It's not going to. And that's why they've been pre preparing that Trump's attacking journalists, even though they're attacking him and causing a civil war. They want to cause the war and then make themselves victims when they get in big trouble.

They're really playing with fire. They got a tiger by the tail. Thank you, Stuart Rhodes. Great job. Great job. I am sickened by this. I am absolutely sickened by this rhetoric being put out, even by someone I hate.

I don't understand how anybody in good conscience can do a show like this, like the idea that you can start with this excessively over the top propaganda lie about chemical weapons and milkshakes and then have Stuart Rhodes on your show to use what you've built in the first hour and a half of the show or so to come in and advocate for a civil war that we might as well fucking do now.

And by the way, we're going to kill journalists too. And they asked for it because they're the ones who are saying Trump's attacking them when they're really starting the civil war. It's insanely fucked up. If people take this seriously, the danger of an appearance like this, an interview like this, it gets impossible to overstate.

I pray that nothing happens. I pray that no one is inspired to action by this. But these sorts of things make me really worried that Alex is trying to manifest the predictions that he's making about the 4th of July parade and 4th of July rallies. He's trying to get people in a mind state where it is trigger happy time.

It's already the revolution. And if the revolution is going to kick off, it better well shot her around the world happening on the 4th of July. Perfect. Why not? It's the stuff of books and movies. Absolutely.

It's the stuff of movies. It's dangerous. This is so dangerous. I don't know if it's illegal, but man, it feels like it. It should be. Fucking feels like it. Do you know who explained best what it is he's trying to do? Him, whenever he's described what the left is trying to do?

We keep coming back to that. They're trying to start a war, but then say that they're the victims of the war, so they justify their work. Jesus Christ, man. It's a pretty consistent, far-right strategy that's happened for decades. So fucking unfair.

It is. Speaking of unfair, what happens after this is Alex has an interview with Sof. I don't know if you've heard of her, but she's a racist 14-year-old who does YouTube videos. And this podcast will never cover her appearances on the show. Good. I think it's a disgrace to cover it.

I think it's beneath us, quite frankly. And I have no interest in spending my time critiquing the political views of someone who's still in high school. There is something really disgraceful about Alex doing the show that he does and then having a 14, 15-year-old who says horrible things on his show as if she's an expert. In the middle of the interview, she's

complaining about her principle. That's not real. It is. No, that's not real. I just don't know what to do with that. And so we're not going to cover it. And it's not some sort of like, I don't know how to put it, but I just can't.

I don't think I could deal with my feelings that I would have about us spending any time on that. So it is what it is. It happened. And I'm not talking about it. I don't think I can handle it even just physically from a whiplash situation. It's like, OK, if Johnny Carson had gerbils on and then

his next guest was a dog trainer and the dog can do little flips, I just wouldn't be able to handle it. I think that's not analogous. Maybe it's a racist dog that can do flips. A little better. There we go. And I wouldn't even bring it up today, but it's not the first time that she's been on.

Jesus Christ. I didn't talk about it before because I felt like it was something that was best just ignored. But I mean, it looks like she's going to be a part of his stable now, so I feel like I'll bring it up that it happened, but not getting into it. Man, if being a regular child star fucks up your life, imagine being a racist 14-year-old YouTube child

star. That's a big part of it, too, is the idea of like, I don't think, like, as terrible as a number of the things I've seen of her say, I don't feel like it's right for me as a 35-year-old to take seriously the political views of a 14-year-old or to be like, to imagine that they are going to remain the same. Yeah, that'd be silly.

In the same way that like, should I be mad at those two girls who are in a neo-Nazi band, Lion and Lynx? Should I be mad at them? I don't know. They grew up and they're not Nazis anymore. Yeah. I don't know what the right thing to do is,

and I just don't feel good about anything. Yeah. So anyway, she's on Who Cares. Now, we have one last clip, though, is Jordan. Yeah. In much the same way that I have avoided your ideas about Trump's not going to step down, I have also resisted the urge to think

that Alex listens to our show. However, on this episode, Alex brings up something that we've heard him talk a lot about in 2013, but not so much in the present. Is there a dead dog coming up again? There's not a dead dog, but it's something very specific. When I heard this, I was like, Alex, 100% listens to our show. There is no way he doesn't listen to our show.

There's a subservience, and they think they're on the winning team. He's talking about liberals who go to college and get degrees. OK. OK. We've got two or three college degrees that are worthless by design. And then the system, once it catches you in a scam,

like a Nigerian scam, they get $1,000, and you're going to get $100,000. They go, oh, Prince of Boo Boo needs $10,000 now, but you're going to get $1 million. And once you've already invested $20,000 in the scam, you're supposed to get $10 million from Prince Boo Boo or whatever his name is. These people will tell their family, no, you're jealous

I'm getting money from Prince Boo Boo. And then they'll have a Nigerian fly over here, get on a Greyhound bus, this is how people I know, come to their house in a Prince outfit, but they have no money, and they have a one-week visa. And then families break up, and people's wives run off, their husbands run off, going, no, the Prince is here. I hit the jackpot.

So it's the same thing. And then they'll sign their house over to them, because now the Prince is going to give them a billion. And they can never admit they got conned, so the left keeps doubling down the bed and they're like compulsive gamblers, believing they're finally going to be the ruling class. Their degrees are finally going to work.

Once Bernie Sanders or Hillary takes over, she'll give them places in the whole economy. I'm so glad to have you as a listener, Alex. If you're listening, you should be deeply ashamed of yourself. Please become a policy wonk anyways. You know what, there are people who have donated under the name Alex Jones, and now it's possible. In a perverse way, he's really hoping we take him down.

I mean, obviously, I don't think this proves that he listens, but man, this is so fucked up. Where did that come from? Where did that come from? We literally talked about it fucking yesterday. How dare you? But we also talked about it the episode before that. Like, we've talked about it in the last three episodes,

because he won't stop talking about it in 2013. And that was in 2019. Takes a day off of it, a couple of days off of his show. Just so happens, one of our episodes drops on a day when he's not there. Listen, I want to get back to this Nigerian email scam, but I definitely didn't get tricked by it. Well, it's totally, definitely not him.

100% totally, definitely not him. Totally not. So Alex, we're thrilled that you're part of the Knowledge Fight team. You're part of the, I mean, I noticed our numbers are going up. And I assume it's because you're forcing all of your staff to listen to our show to remember pieces of your rhetoric from years past that you've forgotten about.

Or maybe you're trying to remember what you said about Sandy Hook in anticipation of the lawsuit. Oh, man. I wonder if Pattis is listening to our show just as like, I hope it's better not Barnes. Ooh, if it's Barnes, we're in trouble. I don't have Barnes listening. Hey, Barnes, turn it off.

Get out of here, Barnes. Bad work, Barnes. It's just mind blowing. This roller coaster of a day, like this one episode, just like fucking irresponsible nonsense leading to the Civil War starting, let's kill people in the streets, and then fucking the return of Prince Wabubi. I don't know.

Just don't, I don't understand. I don't know, man. It's mind blowing. Anyway, I think Alex, I don't know. This is that real difficult area. Like, I don't know where you draw the line in terms of like, harm deterrence. But I think allowed to continue at the rate he's going

and the trajectory he's going, he's going to get people killed. I don't think there's any way around it. I don't know how much that fits in with a robust, societally useful version of free speech. But man, I don't, whenever things do, if things go bad, it's important to remember that Alex made them worse. That's a very important piece of this that is very clear. So I don't, look, I don't know how to end this episode.

I don't, at all, it was an emotional wreck trying to get this all prepared. And I'm glad it's over-ish, or at least I'm glad the episode's done. So I hate this. I hate, I hate this shit. I mean, I like, I like doing the show, but I hate, I hate, I hate that his show in the present day exists like this.

I want the episodes where he's, even if he's still going to probably get some people in, in Green Bank, Hurt, down in West Virginia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still, I want that, Alex. I want those episodes where he's yelling about a telescope and how there's no phones. Like, that's fine.

Episodes where you have Stuart Rhodes in talking about the Civil War has to start before Trump leaves office because he's going to lose the election. And we can't accept that result. And then we won't have an opportunity to appear to be in the right when we start killing people. Exactly. It's just, it's socially useless.

It's corrosive. It's dangerous. I think it's probably, if not a crime, it should be. Like what he just did should be a crime. It doesn't belong on the air. I'll tell you that. This belongs on a YouTube channel with eight subscribers, this sort of rhetoric.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it belongs anywhere. Anyway. That's fucked up, man. But you make your own conclusions and to quote our friend Lionel, comment. As you see fit. Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel.

The only way I could spin out of this. And that should be a heartbreak in the theme song plays. And that's just the end of the show. So we'll be back on Friday. Hopefully the world doesn't end on the fourth. It'll be nice. It'll be nice. Well, we'll be recording.

So if the world ends, you'll at least get a recording of us screaming, I guess. I don't know. We might have to do a real late night recording. We'll see what happens. But we'll be back with something on Friday. And until then, we have a website. It's knowledgefight.com.

And indeed, we do. We're on Twitter also. It's knowledge underscore fight. And go to bed, Jordan. Yeah, we're also on Facebook. We are on Facebook. You can also download the podcast on iTunes. You could rate, leave a review.

You could share the episode. You could go to ROA sites or KOA sites. Usually a lot of people there like to share podcast recommendations. So we'd prefer if you go to a KOA as soon as you can. Just kind of mingle. That's how that's our new marketing strategy. Sure.

I think that's a good way to go. Yep. So as we get to the end of this, I would say that milkshakes didn't kill anybody. But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.