Knowledge Fight - #320: February 21-22, 2013

Episode Date: July 12, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan head back to the past to continue their investigation into Alex Jones' path after Sandy Hook. In this installment, the gents find Alex feeling a bit in a rut, which leads to a some uncharacteristic introspection and some very characteristic idiocy.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody Welcome back to now that you're fighting. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit About Alex Jones indeed. We are Dan Jordan. Dan Jordan. I think everybody is clamoring for a plant watch update I watch July 11th 12th and whatever day it is today. What what are we doing plant-wise? Plant-wise, we're in a bit of a holding state right now a little bit of a holding pattern all the peppers are coming in well But none are fruiting yet. There's you know, we got the at the Serrano's and the Thai chili plants. They were those are the ones that were planted first, right?

And they've come you can see them. They're about you know, they're over a foot tall. Yeah Yeah, I was I was wondering they're coming in quite well. Yeah, but still not fruiting. So we'll see what happens there What are they supposed to fruit? I don't know. I think probably by now This is my first rodeo with having a bunch of plants. I'm not entirely sure Yeah, but then the second round of peppers the Trinidad scorpions and the chocolate bootlust. Okay, they're coming in They're coming in quite well. I was a little bit worried about them They were they were a little stubby and I thought that I'd messed everything up, but they're coming in nice They're still they're still probably in the four or five

Six inch height range and those are the ones that you can't touch with your hands. Otherwise, you'll die Well, you can yeah, but maybe just don't then rub your eyes or something Right, right, right, but you that's the same thing with like jalapenos even like if you if you cut some jalapenos up And then you rub your eyes it's gonna hurt. Well, yeah, but I mean It's a scale of how much it hurts, right, right, but you were like I have to wear gloves to plant these. Yes I use some serious shit. Yeah. Yeah, that's not it's nothing like a jalapeno I was I did mess up in the planting stages. I think that was the scorpions. Yeah, that was really painful Yeah, and it wasn't from touching the seeds. It was from touching the package the

Someone Oh Man I touched this and it hurts so bad. I need to find a way to eat it I got this scorpion this trend at Scorpion hot sauce like four days ago, and you can see Jordan Yeah, it's great. It's a really good sauce you like putting hot sauce on stuff. I do I like I like my food God, there's a lot of metaphors there certainly. Yeah, this is a podcast where I know a lot about peppers sort of And Alex Jones quite a bit, and I don't know anything about either correct Jordan today. We are in the past

We are going back to the the year of 2013 2013 to continue our ongoing investigation of how Alex Jones covered the fallout of Sandy Hook and the Everything else around that and today we're going over February 21st and 22nd I'll tell you in advance February 22nd is a bit of a no man's land garbage There's nothing going on on that show. He is just rambling about how the government's going to take guns away from veterans Oh, yeah, that's pretty much the entire show. Yeah, they do that. It is not worth it Just tons and tons of stuff of like things. We've already gone over. It would just be

Wrote repetition of this isn't true. This isn't true. Right. This is nonsense We've said that before we have but February 21st There's a bit more meat on that their bone and so we shall go over it But first and take a moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are sporting the show and we really appreciate it so First of all, like say thank you to Thomas. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk Next Tyler thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy. Wonk. Thank you Teller next Anna. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk

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Like what we do like to support the show you can do that by going to our website knowledge fight calm clicking the button That's a sport show. We would appreciate it. Please do so Jordan I started listening to this episode this February 21st episode and I heard Alex say something that excited me to no end Now free ice cream. That'd be very exciting. It is hot out. Yes, it is Finally summer in Chicago and it is ice cream weather That is not what he says. Okay. This is the sort of thing that I Looking back at digging into past episodes of Alex's show This is exactly what you want to hear now

He doesn't follow through on this, but it's the sort of thing you really get excited to hear I I don't want to say this broadcast is in a rut because we've added a lot of new things to it. It's gotten better We've got the reporters all a more and more special news pieces It's just that at the level this broadcast has already made it. I Am going to attempt to really shake the show up. That's really wow that would have been amazing That is so exciting to hear an awareness on Alex's part that he's in a rut because he is in this late February Stretch of time like he is kind of in a holding pattern He's kind of got about all he can out of the Piers Morgan shit, right?

He's got this WWE narrative with Jack Swagger going but it doesn't I you can almost get a sense that he doesn't even feel like This is like really gonna do that much for him. Yeah, and I think from listening to these episodes I could get a sense that he realizes they're more interested in Glenn Beck also. Yeah, so I think that he does feel like I Got to do something. We're in a rut. I got to mix it up. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I like that He's been talking about the same boring nonsense. The WWE is a is unrequited love He's not gonna get there. He needs to go back to his old broadcast right really Rekindle the flame there like maybe try a little bondage little like like bondage stuff, you know get it get the motion back in there You know what I'm saying? Yeah, maybe I think a wacky sidekick would do it. Okay. Well, that would work

I think there's a lot of options for what you could do to mix things up read No, I don't think that would happen. No, I don't think it would help. No, no, no sound effect board I like a sound effect. Ooh fart noises imagine Alex Jones. We had like a God kazoo noises or just like a yaw. They are coming to take our guns That would be great like a Voo-hoo Zayla drop. Oh hell. Yeah, air horns. I would love it But like I said, he doesn't really follow through with this at least not in the 21st and 22nd that I've listened to I see no evidence of him shaking anything up. It is a very similar

type of broadcast but interestingly as an extension of him saying that he needs to mix things up and the show is kind of in a Right, he is expressing like a good amount of self-awareness Which I find very interesting because it's usually pretty absent like he makes a couple of really valid complaints about himself in this next clip There's the issue of the frustration of every day. I come in here and I've scanned over Before I got here and then when I get here sometimes 200 articles usually about a hundred I've got all these video clips all these reports all this incredible information all these insights To try to transmit to you, but I get so excited and go into a rant mode and the first hour is generally the best hour

For my content and then we usually have guessed on because I know that I tend to degenerate by the second and third hour And it's it's on the days where I don't have guests where I decided not have guests that that becomes evident And I'm probably over analyzing this. It's just that these are extraordinary times were in very extraordinary times And so I must Absolutely must Get myself To the point of where I'm in control because I'll say I'm gonna go to your calls I don't go to him or when I do I'll let a caller go too long

or I Say I'm gonna cover something on the next hour. I start covering it right then and then never fully cover it I don't believe him about listen like reading a hundred articles in preparation for the show or anything like that But some of those criticisms of himself are quite valid They are dead on the first hour is usually the best hour because he does fall apart towards the end of episodes Generally, he's just got to say a nothing in treading water by the third hour The I never go to calls when I say I'm gonna go to calls totally absolutely a valid criticism The I say I'm gonna cover something later, and then I just start rambling about it and never really cover it

Yeah, that is a hallmark of your show. Yeah, that's that one's pretty much a That's that's more of a feature not a bug to your show actually Yeah, that's how you get away with not covering things. Yeah, this is a very weird to me. This is weird It sounds like the head of HR I brought him in for a performance review in his dad. Yes, exactly I don't know if his dad was HR back then. I'm not I don't remember the timeline exactly Maybe that's why his dad is HR now is because they was ahead of human resources and he told Alex Take more calls. Yeah, I Don't know what it is, but there's a moment of introspection here that I find very uncharacteristic of him

I mean he does feel down sometimes about himself But this this level of opening the show with we need to mix it up. I'm Pretty not good after an hour a lot of the time so I overcompensate by having guests on I never cover news and I don't take calls when I say I'm going to we need to change that I think I figured it out We are in a 13 going on 30 situation He and Rex swapped bodies so Rex is telling the truth through Alex's mouth and then for some reason they probably Stepped on the same lucky penny, but with Lincoln's face down

Okay, so that's when they swapped back and the next day is right back to his bullshit. I mean, it's possible That makes perfect sense to me. All right There's a theory I Have other theories that are much less specific, right? Just he's not feeling great Realizes the bad job. He's doing okay. He was capable of doing better. That sounds right. That seems more in line with his psychology But as an extension of this he starts He says a couple of really fucking weird things on this episode that I think are kind of revealing of When he's being more critical and more self-aware these sorts of ideas come to the surface

Now we've already heard him say that you got to give it up to the Somali pirates Which was groundbreaking in how shocking it was. Yes. Yeah to hear him be pro Somali pirates But it turns out there's another group of people you've got to hand it to I mean, this is an epic time to be alive an epic plan we face epic eugenesis-based Technocrat globalist who you got to hand it to him and had a long-term nightmare plan and have really carried a lot of it out They're about 10 years behind You've got to hand it to the globalists

That's weird So he's he's not done he has some more thoughts to expound on here But it's always like I you do not have to hand it to you the globalists They're your mortal enemies. You do not have to hand it to them I mean, it's epic and a lot of technocrats will say well, Alex They're in control. We're in control speaking of themselves We're going to win and you should just try to join us. Isn't the fact that we're in control The evidence that we should be in charge

And I sat there and watched a lot of my family die of cancer And I've watched friends die of cancer. I've watched people take their last breaths Even though it was painful It was was important moments to experience that death not to hide away from it to see it to know how transient We are out out brief candle to quote Shakespeare life is very fragile to quote Shakespeare And I have sat there and watched people battle cancer and I've said this before I'll say it again if cancer had a consciousness It would think it was winning No, you are not winning and you do not have a right to be doing what you're doing

Because your eugenics would be bad enough if you were killing the infirm and the stupid But you are targeting the beautiful and the intelligent and the enlightened because you're threatened by it And that is just beyond beyond evil You people are cancer Okay, so but you got to give it up to cancer It does a pretty good job. You got to give it up to how epic it is epic cancer Um, I mean, it's hard to I've taken outside of any context I don't know how terrible that is because you know he is

He's expressing like okay So a parasitic system that kills its host It would think that it was winning as it was killing the host right and taking the resources from the host to survive But in doing so it leads to its own death, right? I think that there's a I think you just described colonialism Sure. Yeah, there there's an you know I I I don't know how far off he is in terms of just saying things But you can't take that outside of the context of his worldview, right? And so much of his fear and so much of his rhetoric is about there being like a plan to destroy whites

Or a plan to get rid of the middle class, which he very clearly Expresses is mostly white. They're all this is an attack on the the gun community the patriots Like you can't hear him say stuff like you are attacking the beautiful and the intelligent without thinking again You're speaking in code a little bit here. Yeah, you're saying that your eugenics would be bad If you were just dealing with the people I don't like right But you are dealing with the people who are similar to me and are targeting them with your eugenics That to me is step too far. No good. Absolutely not I do feel like that's part of what he's expressing there taken in the context of his work and the views that we know he has

Yeah, it's it kind of because you wouldn't be carrying out eugenics against people who like guns right right All right, I mean it's kind of it's kind of it kind of fucks me up a little bit because he is being introspective and and like Self-reflective and at the same time he's still saying that the global But he's still speaking to the globalists like they are absolutely real. Yeah, which Screws with my head because it's like Wait, so do you really believe all this bullshit? You can't you can't ever tilt your hand on that one though Even no matter how introspective you are your brand is gone if you Right indicate that like you have any doubt of your worldview right, but he doesn't have any doubt

Well, I think that would be easy to ask a raid while he's doubting himself. Wow, that's troublesome Yeah, I don't know. I don't I'm not as troubled by it, but I see what you're saying I think I think there's a there's something there, but this this Sort of self-critical introspective alex is also expressed By virtue of his interactions with a caller this guy calls in and wants to talk chemtrails And he thinks he's found a way to prove All of the arguments about chemtrails. All right, and alex's response to this guy is pretty amazing. Fuck you

I wanted to mention the the modified atmosphere several months ago. I uh Obtained and I want to encourage others to do it if they've already done it great and they others should Need to do this as well get a hold of a microscope get some rain samples Look at your rain under a microscope. Look at what is falling on you. It's uh It's mind boggling. Um, I have water samples Still that I have kept for several months in my refrigerator and it's amazing what happens over the long term the uh Little glass containers. I have the water in when I first collected it

With the cap on it if you shook it off it looked like Santa Claus should be standing in there And now over the course of several months All of those disgusting fibers and god knows what that's in there has all clumped together and um, you should shoot a youtube video of that to show up, but that's really Unscientific and i'm not poo pooing the fact that you're doing that. That's that's a good way to start out observing things And I appreciate your call. That's uh, wow. Yeah, that's a alex pointing out that something is unscientific. Yeah Surprising. Yeah, i'm thrown off. Yeah, it's very weird. It's very weird. There's there's a there's a sense of like

Any other day he might have jumped on that. Yeah, been like well not only that Used it as a way to pivot into something. He did want to talk trail narrative that he is into Yeah, yeah, he would have been like, oh, that's really interesting that that's also like whenever you see the He wouldn't you wouldn't have poo pooed on it and then said i'm not poo pooing you're doing that He wouldn't have just said like hey Yeah, you didn't prove shit you looked at stuff and hold up That's a great way to look at stuff to start, you know, but don't stop leave me alone It's it's great that you want to go down this avenue

Yeah, but what you're doing isn't scientific and you haven't proven anything It's almost a little paternal as well Yeah, just like you are spending your time the way you're gonna spend your time Now what's interesting about that is that alex is capable of that Yeah, like seeing those type of moments are always kind of shocking because it's like you could respond to everyone like that Yeah Oh, yeah, yeah, there's no there's no caller that has something that's so wildly different from what that guy said that you couldn't use that response On anything yeah anytime someone tries to convince you of bullshit or say some nonsense

You could just be like well hold on now You are capable of it. You're capable of critical thinking or at least we're in 2013 to an extent that like It makes it so much worse. It makes it makes all the incredulousness all of the like easily foolable Elements of him like it it's damning. It's it's really damning to see him operate like an adult. Yeah, I know It's it's worse. It's worse. Yeah, it says that it's there It says or or he does have a sound drop board And the that's very unscientific is one that he recorded a long time ago. Yeah, this is just uh, this is just him playing little Yeah, it could be

So there's there's those indications of those those weirdnesses that come up But like I said in in the same way that uh, you know, you have that you got to give it to the globalist cancer bit there are also more indications of like him expressing weird ideas that you The sort of weird ideas that you kind of always feel like he believes but Doesn't really overtly say and this next one is about how everyone's going to be replaced by robots And I think underneath it is something that maybe we haven't done a good job of analyzing

But I think as a firm belief of alex's Humans are out of it humans won't be working at mcdonald's. They won't be working in factories They won't be working in the military They'll you'll have technicians that back up the robots in case they have problems But already top engineers don't even know how the computers work and none of them can even tell how they all go together now Uh, and the algorithms are all out of control So you'll just basically have computers working on the computers and at that point the globalists are gonna release the bio weapon Just get rid of us. We're not needed anymore. They officially said they're gonna kill us. What do you think about that?

Hmm Oh, you're saying that to a person. Yeah, there was explaining that to a caller caller got that Oh, yeah So the thing that I think is interesting that's underneath that is a feeling that The globalists at least Seem to believe in alex's conception that the only value of human life is based on work And I think that alex believes that I think he agrees with that

Yeah, you know the idea that okay, so robots take over all the all the jobs. Let's say And then people don't have to work. Well kill them all Yeah, alex believes that the his enemies believe that but at the same time he doesn't seem to offer any kind of real-world Solution to this or any kind of real sense that humans have value outside of work Yeah, he doesn't really disagree with to get rid of the robots at work and keep people working Yeah, as opposed to the conceiving of or imagining a society where your value isn't based off your work That you're able to put in at a factory or or whatever

Yeah, it is it is interesting that in his very conception because he's projecting this false hate from onto the globalist He's functioning on the same spectrum Which the the only value of a human being is in their work is taken as read by each side Yeah, so yeah, their solution is to get robots in and kill everybody. His is keep people working so they Kill all the robots. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a we're on the same It's very strange and I think I think the fact that you know if his enemies Are such that You know, we're going to replace humans with robots and then because they're not working

They're expendable and we can kill them all with a bio weapon Yeah, if he believes that that's what his enemies believe then it should be contingent upon him to create such a groundswell of popular Support and excitement around the idea that we aren't just our work. There is there is an entire Beautiful world we could create if we weren't Tied to jobs tied to like that being the end all be all of our existence, right? Like the amazing community things we could do the amazing Cleaning up of nature we could do there's so much. It sounds like something we should get our robots to do for us. Yeah, probably

People exploring hobbies the like the creative renaissance that we could go through right people were allowed to follow their passions And had the freedom to be able to do That I I don't really see a ton of that from him in in terms of like that being a solution to the problem It's just don't shut down the coal plants and keep a keep people working in car factories in america That isn't a great solution to his perceived problem And it leads me to believe that he believes the same thing as the globalist in as much as humans are only valuable as work right, uh, I mean I suppose the the thing that I

Would add to that is that it is something of a very rational fear with an imagined outcome Like I I do absolutely think that major corporations are doing everything possible at all times to automate as much of the labor as possible And I absolutely think that it is Unreasonable to think that they really care what happens to people after that. No totally. I mean one of the it's a rational fear Yeah, his the irrational fear is the part where they're all going to kill us then You know like so that's one of the that's another part of his worldview that is Just assumed on there if they are doing one thing

And it is real then I'm not going to think about what might happen next I'm only going to think that it's apocalypse. Right, right, you know Yeah, if any part of the status quo changes even the slightest bit apocalypse apocalypse um, so in this next clip alex talks about his love of the john birch society, which Is I mean we already know that he loves the john birch society, but he doesn't talk about it all that often So I find it important to point out when he does All right, ladies and gentlemen your calls and a ton of news are coming up But i'm basically trying to break down how the world works

What the driving philosophy of the controllers are? So they've gone for 50 years Saying oh the john birch society the lying demons because it was only the john birch society In the 50s and 60s that was even covering any of this And so they would go oh those crazy conspiracy theorists They say our government put mail in Oh All been declassified in the mid 90s

Cia put him in 1949 declassified go look it up. I did um the So when when alex talks about like people thinking the john birch society was crazy is because they were oh, yeah, they were fucked up And they weren't just like Some kind of hey, we're cool. We just don't like communists type type of people They were really really really fucked up And if you look at the materials that they distributed like especially in their early times It gives you a good example of what what they were really about The one of the first books that they put out and was sent to all their meetings was this book called the john franklin letters

And it is a insane violent fantasy in in sort of the same conversation as the turner diaries or The the unintended consequences these sorts that sort of militia fantasy of violent revolt Against a government that has gotten too collectivist or whatever sure that is A big piece of their dna and it was one of the first books that they ever put out And distributed and so when alex talks about like his dad being At least adjacent to the john birch society and it being a part of his childhood

It makes it very difficult for me not to imagine that the john franklin letters was something that alex may have had access to Uh when he was a wee boy, which is fucked up because that book is a real serious mess Yeah, it does make sense of you know his enduring hatred for like Football and all of those things that sublimate the male desire to kill Because basically what he's doing is living out murder fantasies

Through these militia books and all that stuff. He's he's he's angry at those because he doesn't want to sublimate His desire to fight a war. He wants to get his murder boner on Yeah, yep. There is something to that probably probably So, I mean also the uh the john franklin letters just to give some sense of uh, like what it what it's all about. Um It was written probably it's anonymously written But it was most likely written by a guy named revealo p oliver who was one of the founder Founding members of the john birch society

Um, and he had to sort of get out of the group because he was too openly anti-semitic and too much of a bigot Uh, and he would go on to join william luther pierce To form the national alliance. Uh, and of course william luther pierce was the guy who wrote the turner diaries Uh, which inspired timothy mcvay to uh, do the whole murrow building bombing right right right So good dudes all around and from an interview that I was able to find pierce Discusses like his inspiration for writing the turner diaries was reveal o oliver giving him a copy of the john franklin letters Which helped him sort of figure out how he wanted to write his book and So the the they're all just writing fan fiction of oliver fan fiction about militias

It does feel that way. And so like a lot of that stuff like Just the the idea that it's a benign anti-communist organization that just felt like Eh, we don't like commies Uh, is absurd. It's it from the beginning was a deeply fucked up Propaganda strategy Yeah, and also probably had more to do with suppressing workers rights than it did

It's actual opposition to communism. Isn't that strange when a bunch of rich people get together There's always a thing that they say they're doing but man, it sure helps that their businesses are uh, it's profiting off of it so also Towards the the china issue uh because alex seems to be allergic to speaking in specific terms I can't really know exactly what declassified document from the cia. He's talking about that proved that the cia put Mao into power Uh in 1949 was that one of his self criticisms that he was allergic to providing specifics? That's that that is my assessment He oh that one was yours. Okay. All right. I left with no real alternatives to get to the bottom of it I just decided to read a bunch of the cia's declassified information from the years around 1949 that involved china and spoiler alert

None of them say that they installed Mao On july 22nd 1948 the cia put out a report titled the current situation in china In the report the situation is described as being not very good The support for nationalist shan kai shek quote is steadily weakening because of the unsuccessful prosecution of the war under his leadership And his apparent unwillingness and inability to accomplish positive reforms The report describes increasing instability in the nationalist side of the chinese civil war Which was unlikely to be something that we could resolve no matter what we did The report is not pro-communist or pro-mau in any way

It's as quote the prospect for the foreseeable future in china is at best an indefinite and inconclusive Prolongation of the civil war with the authority of the national government limited to a dwindling area in the central and south china And isolated major cities in north and northeast china The worst prospect is complete collapse of the national government and its replacement by a chinese communist controlled regime Under soviet influence if not under soviet control and uncooperative towards the united states if not openly hostile So strange that they would describe the communists coming to power as the worst case scenario in a classified document If that's exactly what they were working towards According to the report's assessment the u.s. Was in a really precarious position

The u.s. Had passed a bill providing aid to shankai shek But his government was increasingly ineffective in facing opposition not just from the communists, but also from within Anti-us sentiment had been growing not only from the communists With many thinking that the u.s. Was taking a side in a civil matter in the hopes of turning china into a giant colony Were the u.s. To increase the aid offered to shankai shek that sentiment would almost certainly have grown and along with it anti-shek resistance At the same time the question of the ussr loomed large Increased aid for the nationalists could very easily result in the ussr Formally and materially supporting the chinese communists in that civil war which could get out a hand really really easily

Considering a lot of these variables the report points out that quote many chinese view the us aid program as prolonging the agony of Rather than resolving the civil war That was a sentiment that we couldn't fight really there was not much we could do Shankai shek was doing a terrible job of running the war and he was doing a horrible job of inspiring his side with a positive vision Of what comes after the war The cia assessments and reports this time were in full acknowledgement of the uphill battle that would be involved In trying to somehow help him win the civil war and how even if the us was able to lead him to victory It would likely not be a good thing since his government was completely unstable in all likelihood

He wouldn't be able to effectively govern the country if we were to get involved It would likely involve a full military commitment as well as a pretty high level of us forcing reforms on his nationalist government Which would be basically turning china into a us colony This sort of thing would obviously trigger a backlash from the soviet union who have a strategic interest in their neighbor Not being a us puppet state The issue of the us position and the rise of a communist party in china is an infinitely complex one But i can find no evidence that the cia put Mao into power The best argument you could make is that the us didn't determine that it was in their best interests to enter a full scale war

In order to support shan kai shek and the nationalists If that's the argument alex wants to make then by all means he should make it I suspect he doesn't present this situation honestly because if he did He would be advocating for a foreign war specifically in the interest of nation building and imprinting us foreign policy on another country Which he presumably is supposed to be against The idea that the cia installed Mao into power It's the exclusive domain of insane anti-communist propagandists At the time strident anti-communists wanted the us to get militarily involved in uh against the communist

Because it would create a problem for stalin on his eastern border When the us didn't pursue that strategy because of its obvious horrible consequences that it would have brought They interpreted that as the us not wanting to apply that eastern pressure on stalin Which was then translated into being active support for the communist regimes in the ussr in china That's all that's going on here. Yeah revisionist history oversimplification in order to create a way in which this supports Communism and it doesn't right. All right. It's it's stupid and it's run by the john bolton's of their day Who are just going for?

I probably worse. I want to kill these people and I don't care the consequences. It's probably worse I agree. Yeah, because like john bolton as bad as he is like, I don't think that at least he's not trying to take over china Well, and I don't think that he would be able to be as effective 50 years from now as the john birch society was No in the early 60s, you know, like yeah, his his influence is insidious and it's awful and it'll probably cause Untold pain in uh in a lot of people's lives, but I don't know if he'll start a school. Yeah, you know a school of thought that Even when forced to go underground because of the the people who looked at it is like such Stupid shit. Yeah, uh, it still is very

Influential so Anyway, john birch society sucks. Uh, they're the worst and uh, the c i didn't put malin to power in 1949. This is absurd So in this next clip alex discusses how there's gonna be a civil war because of course there is well, why not? It's interesting that like he's always saying that you know Yeah, with the intensity and like pressure that he's saying it in 2019. It's like, well, man It's finally come to this you go back to 2013. He's like wow, it's probably gonna be a civil war. Yeah Yeah, I just sort of you you you're a broken record. You just say that all the time

um, but When this civil war happens jordan, it's important to remember that the right wing side in that civil war is going to be fake What uh, what it's a hold on what now? And they do synthetic wars they make them up They run all the sides So I see them getting it all ready and I'm like, hey the plan is they're gonna say he's lincoln They're gonna start a civil war And so the entire program is set up though to where they'll artificially represent the states and call it confederate

When the states of the Declaration of Independence and the people can reconstitute the government whenever they want They want to build a federal government against the states and the evil whites That's the new targets the bullet training the manuals. They want a false billet It's us minorities and the loving socialist government against the evil white right-wingers kill anybody in a john deere hat Let's get them Okay, now they want to push that false idea instead of people like sheriff Clark who's black

And super smart and well-spoken has a hero background What's going on now along with 400 other sheriffs now saying this is gonna cause a revolution We're gonna be with the people that totally freaks the system out In fact, if I was the globalist, this is the type of person I'd go after is Clark There's other reasons to go after him like being a monster, but um, it went that clip is uh, Large part of earlier when he's talking about like you're going after the good beautiful people Yeah, why I think there's a little bit of code Yeah, because he's saying like you're trying to target the the white right-wingers

So that wouldn't be a consideration if it weren't like this is how he sees things Oh on this side, it's going to be the minorities and the socialists Like uh, hey buddy. Yeah, it does. It's pretty clear what you're saying. It does kind of seem like uh, You're you're saying that they're manufacturing an enemy except you're Creating the strictures within which they've manufactured like because his enemy is imagined He is imagining what his enemy would think of him right and actually just telling us what he thinks he is Yeah, yeah, there's uh, there's something to that. Yep So there's going to be a civil war and the right-wing side is going to be manufactured because they're going to create this whole war

And then all of it is just to demonize his side or something. He has a really grandiose idea. How are they going to be manufactured though? What does that mean? I mean like How are they going to how is it how is it how is it going to do the whole thing? I wish I knew like they're going to do that. They're going to manufacture an entire side Yeah, I mean, I guess probably if I had to guess because I don't think he really lays this out specifically It would be by like, um Tricking some people on alex's side to falling in with the paradigm and getting involved in the war So they would be duped into it. Okay. Though they or just like I guess agent provocateurs

Starting up militias You know, he already thinks that all people who are in the clan are feds and shit like that fair fair So, I mean, I guess you would probably say that would be how it works And you would have to then create an entire side of loosely knit barely even associated people And put them under one banner You know call them all one thing and then like you said the goal there is to Take it, you know shoot anybody with the john deere hat because you picture you characterized an entire side as and so you you only need to see one thing like

Uh, like uh, like if they had a milkshake, you know, then it would be worth shooting them Yeah, it's almost like he's manufacturing a goddamn civil war. Uh, I mean it yeah I I didn't uh, I didn't say this made sense But it it does it does it is interesting how his his mind works like that Um, and and actually this next clip is another one of these like moments of introspection that I think go awry Um, and uh, here you hear him say something that I think might be the truest thing I've ever heard on alex's show I mean the thing is if you knew what I knew

Which isn't hard to know If you understood my mind and understood the history we could defeat them very quickly Now that's not true in a strict sense that he's since yeah But I do think that if you understood how his brain works It would be easy to defeat these goblists because they're imaginary. Yes, exactly You understand how his brain works and how he oversimplifies things how he doesn't look for uh context and any anything He doesn't he doesn't look for the reality in things. He looks for the angle or whatever You know like if you understood that it would be easy to defeat this imagined enemy because you'd be like

Oh, yeah, that's just your brain. Right. That's just your brain man. Yeah Yeah, that's a big heaping pile of confirmation bias that's uh sitting at the bottom of your Shit skull if you understood how my brain worked. We could end this easily Yes, we could if all of your audience understood how full of shit you are We could all be done with this a long time ago. I agree. That is true Congratulations, Alex. You have spoken truth accidentally So when he's saying that though, that's not what he's saying He's saying that if you understood the code that I understand much like leo zagami having the only true code

Of course that jesus would have yes as as proven by the vatican If you understood that code, they could defeat the globalists very easily And here's how you defeat the globalists How do we defeat this? Well, first off we see the globalists want to divide and conquer everybody And we see they want to get rid of borders and bring in globalism to replace our republic So basically anything the globalists are for we need to be against if they're for taking guns They're intellectual arguments for guns obviously But we just know to be against gun control because the globalists are tyrants and want to take our guns to enslave us

So I don't debate or argue with them Do you understand how this thinking could go very poorly? You have a guy who's the arbiter of a completely unexplainable plan that these evil globalists are doing Um, and you don't debate these sorts of things. You just are automatically against whatever they're for So if he is the guy who understands in a way that like if only you understood this would be so easy If only you could see all that I see Uh, the globalists believe X So you should be against X

It might just be a really good way to get people to believe something foolishly and unquestioningly Yeah, it does seem like the questioning part of that is what he's really trying to stamp out Yeah, it really doesn't want the question part now. Sure. There are there are intellectual arguments for all of the things that I believe But fuck it just be oppositional defiant just be like a reactionary and completely Opposed to anything I tell you our enemies are for yeah, that's fucking stupid. It is it is a recipe for Self-destruction more than anything else. Yeah, because even among it even if you take that thinking anywhere Like okay fine So you get rid of all the people who disagree with you all of the globalists

And now all you're left with are the right-wing patriots that you love to hang out with so much John beer is doing big business big business, but hold on Your only existence is against what somebody else does so in your little group somebody says hey I don't think we should do this. Well, guess who that guy is. He's a fucking globalist now neo globalist He's another oh, there's a whole another type of globalist and so you fracture that shit up again And then okay fourth wave globalist fine You get rid of that and then you get into a smaller group and then one guy disagrees with you And then it's murder murder murder

I mean you see the same thing happening in the right wing a lot like there And I imagine it probably does happen in the left too, but I don't pay Nearly as much attention to pundits on the left as I do alex and his stupid world But the way they all turn on each other the way alex tried to declare war on ben Shapiro When the time that alex had jason kesler the guy who organized the charlottesville unite the right rally on Had tried to accuse him of being a fed. Yeah On here like yeah, this that sort of behavior is so like whenever you dwell in a world of paranoia Everyone is the target of that paranoia. Absolutely. It's inevitable once you once you defeat x enemy y shows up

Yep, it's uh, it's it is inevitable for his his system. Yeah And it's interesting the way that he talks about the globalists too Like he talks about whenever they end up like killing off most of the population You think they aren't going to turn on each other like he understands that in terms of them. Yeah Yeah, no, it doesn't feel like it applies to his group At all it's always weird when he does one of these introspective episodes because it feels like In trying to figure out his enemies

He is trying to figure out himself But publicly telling you he's trying to figure out himself and probably just trying to explain about the enemies He probably you know thinks that going therapy is weak. Yeah So uh in this next clip alex talks about something that obama is doing that is bad Though is identical to something he celebrated trump doing look at obama trying to rally all his idiot Minions to to go after guns and say I need your horrible stories of what happened to you to personalize it one man's a tragedy A millions of statistics Stalin said Because it's a culture war

Alex was very excited about the idea of trump is soliciting stories of violence by immigrants Uh when uh when trump was on that tip not too long ago alex was very excited about that Thought it was very important these stories need to be told Yep, I know that hypocrisy is pointless to point out, but it is just so explicit. It's so Uh It's so direct the parallel I know you want at least one little measure removed So you have to think for a second and then you're like, oh, that's hypocritical You don't want it to just be a fucking mirror pointed at you. Just think it's rough. Yeah, come on man

At least try and hide it a little bit. Yeah Um, I think that this next clip is probably one of the most overt problems that I have with this episode Um, and I think that it's alex undercutting pretty much all of his own beliefs I know I know that I've said that before in the past like whenever there's something that's like really deeply Um in conflict with his primary brand and the way he tries to present himself But something he says in this clip makes me think like They've taught so many yuppies They go, I don't care kill the iraqis. They're not human

Do you think the globalists who don't think iraqis are human think you're human either? They respect them a lot more than your big lazy butt They think of you as a dumb animal who they don't want to take care of anymore. You're like, but I work They don't care. They see the resources as theirs. They don't think you're human. They don't think you deserve to live And here's my beef with a globalist. Maybe some of the public who wants to be slaves and hear this Maybe they do deserve to be slaves. I don't okay. I'm not gonna be a slave I don't believe that someone like alex who presents himself the way he does with the belief set that he has Should ever be

Indicating that he believes that some people deserve to be slaves. Maybe some of them should be slaves dan, but that's not my job I'm not the arbiter of who should or should not be slaves. It's not even that but he's saying he's saying that he personally will Not be but some people they deserve it. Some people. Yeah I don't I don't caught into that. I don't I don't believe that uh for a second. I don't believe I don't I don't believe that just because you don't agree with whatever I believe You deserve to be the victim of the consequences of that in the same way that like A good example is people who don't believe in like universal health care I don't believe that if that is to be passed. They should be excluded from the benefits of course not

Just because they were against it doesn't mean they shouldn't have the positive Benefit of it. I don't think that it is right in any way for alex to think like Yeah, all right. You're not on my team. You deserve to be enslaved. Yeah I will I will be fine with you being enslaved. You're about human liberty Your whole thing is liberty. You should be opposed to it in every context No, you have to choose it and if you don't choose it then you lose it dan That's how it works if you don't choose to join alex and be free Then you lose your freedom and that makes sense

Or at least we're fine with it. Yeah That is not okay. That is absolutely not okay insane. It indicates Um less of an interest in freedom less an interest in truly like people being free And more an interest in his team. Yeah, that's really all I can hear there I mean a very simple test of any kind of Partisan leading or or any any plans or anything like that is Will this only benefit the people who agree with me or will this benefit everybody?

And it seems like The only thing alex is interested in is benefiting people who agree with him Or at least not giving a shit about the people who don't right The ways that they may be hurt right and I I think you even hear a little bit in that clip too about like work being The only thing I think whoa, I work. Yeah. Whoa. Why are you doing this to me? I work. I'm not unemployed I'm not one of those people who you can do these things to right there is a sense of like again He's using the globalists to express that position But there is still a willingness to engage with that idea and it defining value, which is weird

Yeah, this all sounds a little bit to me Like like when I get really insecure and depressed and I'm like Man, I don't know. Why am I even doing any of this stuff? I'm not any good at this. Um, I'm terrible and it's it's just like I Direct it towards me and he seems to direct it towards the globalists making him feel bad. You know, sure You know what I'm saying? I mean it all goes back to that. Don't make me feel bad. Yeah, don't make me feel bad. Yeah Um, so in this next clip we find that the g.o.p. Ain't gonna do it. I'm gonna do it Tea party. That's the only hope for america

And and and it's the full you've got carl rove saying open the borders world government socialism is good Uh, the tea party is evil and it's weak and it's dead and it's over And you've got the same thing coming out of the wwe That's because the tea party is the only hope What the the ideas of the real tea party the real libertarian constitutional rediscovery of america We need 1498 part deuce. We'll be right back with shan and others Um, so, I mean like if you think carl rove is a socialist, uh, we're we're well far gone. Yeah Yeah, yeesh. Um, I don't even know what that would make me if carl rove is a socialist

I mean, it's just the way to you know, it's the same It's just nonsense. It's a way of uh making sure that everyone falls under your negative heading. Uh-huh Um, I guess just probably anybody who believes in any kind of social safety net of any sort is probably a socialist According to alex probably that sounds right. What is he talking about 1498 part deuce? See that's interesting. I'm not sure I Was trying to figure out if I knew any I was like wait, this is for columbus. Is he talking 1492? No, that doesn't that doesn't sound right, but that's the only number that would make sense columbus did some stuff in like south america in uh in 1498 Uh, Leonardo da Vinci finished his painting of the last supper. Okay 1498. So we need a new painting

I don't know. Yeah, I mean like he's obsessed with the renaissance talks about that a lot But that had already been started. Yeah by 1498. Uh, you know, it had been going for quite a while Um, the only thing that's like really huge from 1498 in uh in history is that's when uh, uh Vasco da gamma Arrived in india. Oh the circumnavigated South of africa and ended up there Creating the spice trade. Yeah. Yeah. That was in 1498, but I can't imagine how that's related to this just hungry I don't understand how that's related to what he's talking about. I don't know. There must be something that happened

I don't know Was it was uh, was that when white nationalism began because I feel like it was way earlier than that? Yeah, probably Um, so earlier we heard alex talk about sheriff clark being great. Um, and that's whatever But I think that that what we see is an indication that alex having him on was Very much a strategy in order to be able to report on having him on. Yeah Because he is a sheriff that's pretty popular people Are paying attention to him

And so alex being able to attach his name to this group Like because no one gives a fuck if he's like sheriff denny payment is on my side You get sheriff clark. That's kind of a git. Yeah, you know, he's a larger than life personality. He's a name. Where's a cowboy hat? Yeah He's a murderer and a monster and a lot of that a lot of that didn't happen yet in 2013 Oh, okay, still fair enough. I do like how he's even he's still used his encoded words for uh, for uh, Black sheriff that he appreciates where he's like see unlike the other. He's smart and well spoken and you're like, dude Every, you know what that means right? He does that a lot. You have to know he does that a lot

It's one of those things that I just choose to Not point out because if I did it would be every single time he talks about any black person But in in this clip alex talks more about that the idea of covering His own coverage of sheriff clark and I think at the end of this we really get Indication of why it's not wise And this is kind of ironic for me to be saying as someone who spends all his time covering alex jones But I think it's unwise for most people to cover him because of exactly what he expresses at the end of this clip Clark told jones listeners that he would consider any federal

Order to confiscate guns as an act of tyranny. He also said I don't want to get shot. He's not stupid And said that he would refuse to enforce it in the county You don't like this, do you that we're now having this discussion Do you see we win we force the initiative we go on the offense and make you respond to us You don't control reality anymore. You viper Let's continue. I believe that if somebody tried to enforce something of that magnitude You would see the second coming of an american revolution The likes of which would make the first revolution pale with comparison the sheriff urged

That comet did not sit well with hacks at the milwaukee journal sentinel who accused clark of engaging in attention grabbing media appearances On a conspiracy peddling radio show The way he's uh, you know salaciously reading this he just loves he loves the idea that someone Is covering him. Yeah, he's living in a movie right now. Right. He's he's doing the Lafontaine voice. Yeah, you know, but more importantly is that point that he makes about like you hate that we're talking about this and you got it We're controlling the yeah the conversation. Yeah, you you're reporting on us Doing something fucked up right. We're saying fucked up things and now we're hijacking your cycle

Right, and I think that that is the strategy that has been really really effective. Oh, yeah I I think that that is um A large part of what makes the media sphere so Untenable and and has for a couple years now at least absolutely is the descending Into the mud with these people who are bad faith actors Right who are just trying to either create their own brand their own popularity rise their stars. Right. Um, well, I mean it's so by making Sensational irresponsible horrible claims that then you cover it's the it's literally What happened in 2008 that got us to where we are right now

The birther shit. Yeah, if nobody even Nobody would even have questioned nobody would ever have thought about that Unless the media took these bullshit bad faith actors who like our who became our fucking president Seriously, and then repeated their claims. Yeah, and now barack has to address it And if you'd never nobody was nobody we even wanted to know You were just being racist. Yeah, and that's how we got where we got Yeah, I think there's something to that and I know that there is an intrinsic irony Like I said before the clip about like me pointing this out as we are a alex jones podcast

Right, but I think that there's a large difference between Um, especially when we started didn't expect anybody would like this show. No, uh, absolutely not I I think that there is there's a difference between critical analysis and uh reporting on Um, dumb bullshit I hope I hope that there's a difference. Well, we definitely don't do the the I mean simply simply put the easiest way to differentiate us in this type of coverage is we don't have that 50 50 rule of like well if we have somebody on our show who's going to say that obviously the birther conspiracy is racist Bullshit, right then we have to have somebody else on our show who's going to say that the racist

We don't need a Trump surrogate to argue We don't bother with that because it's bullshit. Yeah, there might that might be a part of it Um, I'm not entirely sure but I do have a pretty firm conviction that um, what alex is expressing is a clear awareness that the strategy of Um, trying to make people cover his stuff is very effective and he's very into it. Yeah, absolutely and it's gross So this brings us to the end of this kind of self-aware episode on the 21st Now I have a couple clips from the 22nd just because I don't want to do it on our next episode You know, let's just get it out of the way

Because it's trash. It's a really bad episode. Okay a large portion of the episode He has ben fuchs back on the show who's the uh pharmacist who works for young jevity Yes, and they just talk about how like you need supplements And I assume that he definitely pointed out that he works for young jevity. Yeah, I mean, it's basically just an infomercial Right, like they're at least above board about the fact that like he works or he is a spokesperson For their sponsor. Okay, but they are still giving out like pretty irresponsible advice in in many Senses, well, you got to get a sample of the obola blood. Otherwise the supplements aren't going to work That irresponsible. Okay. Well, that's good. Still like get off your meds kind of shit. So like

Um, the only other thing that happens that I think is hilarious is that alex is on a big narrative of The military or the government has sent veterans A lot of mail like a bulk mailing to all the veterans that they need to turn in their guns And alex takes calls from veterans and none of them have received this Like it keeps but they're all they're all talking like they have or like they they heard a guy alex does not Take the fact that all of them have not received a letter as any kind of Problem for his narrative, right and because they're alex jones fans. They make excuses like I haven't checked the mail Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I look I haven't gotten it, but it's possible it exists

Right. I heard from one of my guys that he knew a guy who got the mail, right? Yeah, it's uh, it's It's a sad display of an episode. It's it's not very good But we'll play this one clip where alex explains that like so even if you're in the fucking cia You don't know what alex knows because the cia is compartmentalized So you know what your world is doing, right? But then there's other people over here who decompartmentalized in another section. They know right they you this person You know x this person over here. They know y this other person They know w but alex knows the gestalt. He knows the alphabet

He's got the whole thing because he's decompartmentalized and what he's doing is decompartmentalizing all the information He knows so if you know x now, you know y also right right and uh, I don't believe him. No Certainly not But he then explains how he knows the entire game plan I'm decompartmentalizing this for you. I've been doing this for 20 years I've been obsessed with this dreaming about it at night for 17 I know the whole game plan I know it better than the people at the cia the fbi the nsa because 99 of them are compartmentalized

There are very few people even in the power structure that know how this whole thing's meant to go down It's so complex. I can't even articulate it to you. Okay I'm not bragging about this I know the whole plan because I've probably read 30 bucks on the soviets I probably read 10 books on the pre-soviet era. I probably read 15 books on the zars I probably read 100 books on the nazis. I probably read 50 books on the vatican I've read 25 or more books on british history on roman history on african history I've read probably over a thousand history books on these subjects

And I know what the globalists are doing and how they've integrated all these systems of control At least two of those books about the vatican were written by leo zagami. So i'm like deduct those from your uh That gives you some indication of like what books you might be reading Why are you reading so many books about nazis? It is a lot. It seems like you read a lot of books about nazis And uh, who's writing those books? It doesn't Who's writing those books? What kind of perspective are you getting on the nazis from those books? Um, the other the other thing I would say is like so my my dad is a professor and I grew up in Close proximity with a lot of professors and academics and scholars people who dedicate their lives to studying various topics and

Helping teach people about those topics and one thing that I know is a hallmark of every good academic Is rattling off how many books about a certain subject? I'm pretty sure that's what academics do all the time Absolutely, absolutely because it's not it's and it's super not infuriating in a conversation where you're talking about something Uh, and instead of you know engaging with somebody's argument. You say no, no, no I've read more books about this than you. I know everything More than people who are in the cia and it's too complicated for me to even express to you Now, let me tell you how many books I've read. Yes Yeah, great

That is that clip is definitely like regardless of whether he believes it or is acting or not That clip is like you need to see a psychiatrist. It's disrespectful to like Knowing humans Just the very idea of knowledge. Yeah, it's disrespectful to yeah I don't know Gutenberg just shit himself. That's what happened. Yeah, like I can't I can't imagine somebody Who actually cares about subjects being like that acting that way? No, and that's not the first time we've heard alex rattle off How many goddamn books he's read about various subjects? It's it's sort of some sort. It's a it's an appeal to Something that's irrelevant. Yeah, because you could have read 10 books about a certain subject and know nothing about it

You could like you could have read horrible books or your ability to internalize information could be Below average. Yeah, like you could have not synthesized the information from those books You may have technically read you could come away with it with no expanded knowledge base You could know nothing What are you saying? It's just some appeal to like If you don't know that this doesn't mean anything you'd be like, oh alex is real smart. He's read a bunch of books Like that's that's all he's doing. He's trying to impress people who don't understand that he doesn't know anything. Yeah That's like it's it's frustrating. That's like the

the literal interpretation of The fucking of the dow like that is like one who speaks does not know Is right in that wheelhouse. That's exactly what lauze is trying to express One who yells about how many books they've read has not internalized the information from those books If you if you are mistaking quantity of books with quality of information, uh, then you're fucked. Yeah Um, and we have one last clip here and this is from when alex is talking about the or talking to the young jeviti pharmacist, uh, fuchs um, and uh, this might

Some people might accuse this of being somehow body-shaming and I don't mean it to be at all It's just i'm interested in the relative size of alex's neck throughout his career And in this clip That is that is the neck version of plant watch That is not that is not body-shaming. That is that is fascination with I'm not saying that there's anything good or bad Unappealing or appealing about a smaller or larger neck and i'm not trying to make alex feel bad at all He talks about his neck a lot. It's true. And that's why it's interesting to me to find that in 2013

His neck was shrinking My neck my face my arms my legs have all gotten smaller But I don't follow the whole info wars health dot com Young jeviti program i'm trying to my belly has stayed the same size and a lot of evidence is I guess i'm still eating gluten And I guess i've got the wheat belly. He's got the wheat belly. What apparently he is uh, he is uh, he's bad with bread bad with gluten He's got the wheat belly. Is that a thing people say? I've not heard it before never heard anyone say oh I got a touch of the wheat belly. I've not heard that formulation of gluten intolerance, but

I don't I don't I don't know if this is still something he Uh has like a Intolerance to gluten. I'm not I'm not sure. This is the first time I've ever heard him bring that up Um, it's it's also relevant in terms of like not and not just making fun of his neck or anything like that But because it's within the context of almost a testimonial for his supplements. Yeah, like I've you know, I've been taking these I haven't taken them all but I've been taking getting back on the the info wars life Products and all my arms and neck have been shrinking Been getting smaller

That's you know, he's indicating that he's losing weight from these these Uh, so sometime in between 2013 and the present Perhaps when he stopped taking young jeffety products His neck got freakishly large as he has to quote him his own description. Yeah freakishly large neck I I think it's almost a refreshing testimonial like I would prefer that to any Uh actual like if you do all the info info wars light stuff, you'll be able to get better and be fit He's more like just like look. I'm lazy like you. I'm trying. It's getting a little bit better. I'm not perfect

Maybe you should buy it. Why are you making me feel bad? Like he's defensively telling you there's an ambivalence to the salesmanship Yeah, or at least like a it's grounded more than a lot of other one in the sense that it's like If he was trying to just like be completely crass He would just be like he wouldn't bring up his uh belly. Yeah, his wheat belly. He wouldn't he wouldn't Although I don't know if it would be wise of him to say that their products could uh treat gluten intolerance So maybe that is that is sort of a uh A dodge, I don't know at least he you would expect you'd be going over the top though And not bringing up things that haven't been helped. Yeah

Or his own Inadequacy and you know, he's not following the entire regimen even though he's telling you how great it will be I honestly, I honestly actually think that that is just his way around like Like arguments that's like, well, why are you unhealthy if you take all of your health supplements? Right? He consistently is never on all of them right or he that is something I've always heard him say even when dr Group comes along. Mm-hmm is like the I oh, you know, I mean to take all I just kind of forget sometimes And that way he can't be living proof that his shit doesn't work. That's true. That's a really good point I did not consider that that is a that is a kind of it's kind of a brilliant dodge. Yeah a little bit

But I think I think uh compared to the present day you see you see a bit less of like uh really over the top salesmanship And I think probably part of that might be indicative of him not getting a huge cut of the sales You might not have as big an interest in uh moving this product Then uh, then he does in the present that that's probably true So, uh, we've reached the end here and I think that this is a bit of uh, you know I think Alex is right when he started the first episode on the 21st that he needs to mix things up He is in a bit of a rut. There is a little bit of staleness to his show in 2013 um, and uh

You know still not really talking much about sandy hook here at this point And I wonder if those two things are going to join together the desire to mix things up Is it possible that maybe Being really fucking irresponsible in his reporting about dull ass conspiracy theories that he's already Sort of danced around and put dipped his toe into a little bit Is that going to be what he decides to do to mix things up? Yeah, who knows maybe maybe he feels real bad about Shutting that that guy down and poo poo in his ideas and so the non scientific guy Yeah, he's gonna think about it. He's gonna say, you know what? Maybe I should be less scientific too

I'm going to and then here we are I don't know. I don't know. It's interesting. I'm uh, I'm very interested um If only because I I like to take a man at his word And if Alex is telling me he intends to mix things up It makes me think that maybe at least something will get exciting. Yeah in that in this 2013 stretch So i'm i'm very excited to see what happens and especially because i'm not super excited about the present day Like I don't really care about alex's feelings about the trump having his social media summit. I don't particularly care

about a ton of that so The idea that maybe we're cooking cooking up a little bit here in the past is uh is is much needed Yeah, I I'd prefer that. Yeah, so we'll be back Next week, but until then jordan, we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight.com. You bet it is We're also on twitter. We are it's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed jordan Yeah, we're also on facebook. We are and you know where you could download our show if you would like to You could go to itunes You could go to

Your local co-op Many people get together at skateboard shops You get an episode of our podcast with every skateboard you purchase But not if you just get trucks. Oh, absolutely. Well, what are you? Why would you even want an episode of ours if you're only getting trucks? We don't want you. No, that's the rule Uh-huh So you can do all that stuff. Yeah, um as we get to the end of this I think I I have no evidence that the caller who put rain water in his fridge killed anybody

I I don't know but I don't I have no evidence of it. You put what you put a drop of water in the fridge It's only a couple years before you got a human body in there, dad. You know what you're I can't prove you wrong but we know we don't have no evidence of that But one guy who technically probably has killed somebody is alex jones Andy and james us you're on the earth. Thanks for holding So alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you