Knowledge Fight - #325: Feb. 27-Mar. 10, 2013

Episode Date: July 29, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan return to the past to continue their investigation into what Alex Jones was up to in 2013. In this installment, Alex goes on a vacation, so he's out of studio for a week, but before he leaves, he references an obscure and very insane pastor, which naturally sent Dan down a very weird rabbit hole that may be very revealing.

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Jordan. Dan. What's up? Have you ever had heat stroke? Maybe. Maybe? Maybe. I don't know.

Not to the point where it's ever been diagnosed or anything. Like you've never passed out or anything like that? No, I don't think so. One time I got sun poisoning on a float trip. Sun poisoning. Yeah. What is that? It's like too much vitamin D or something.

It's like a really bad like a version of sunburn. Yeah. It's much worse and it is a real thing. I will, I only point that out because my friends when I said that I went to the doctor and they told me it's sun poisoning, they were like, that's not real. They're just making this shit up. Right. But it's like nothing I've ever experienced, like, because it was all over my body.

Is it like a skin, like it's all red skin or needles coming up through my skin at all time. Like it was to the point where I was almost crying. No shit. Pretty constantly. And also I was like taking cold baths just to like not like just to fight back in the way that I felt made sense. Right.

Right. And they were like, that's a terrible idea. It relieved some of the pain. Yeah. And then I would get out of the bath and I would lay in bed on my stomach, biting the corner of my mattress. God damn. It was brutal.

That sucks. Yeah. It was so terrible. But it was my own fault too. That's what made it worse. Well, right, right. I was just drunk by the time we started floating. Right.

I was just telling people like put on sunscreen and I'm like, fuck sunscreen. I was just like, I was like 20 to 22 years old and just fucking stupid. Yeah. You were back to the point where it's almost like you were trying to hurt yourself. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was, if I recall correctly, I believe this was the same year that I got a MySpace temporary tattoo.

I found, we stopped at a gas station that had temporary tattoos and one of them was just MySpace. It's like, put it on my arm. Now that should have been a permanent tattoo because it'll never go out of style. No, I put it on my arm and as we were floating down the river, it was my big bit that every time we passed somebody else, I'd point at my tattoo and be like, you're on MySpace. I'm dying. Yeah.

Anyways, you're on MySpace. The sun poisoning didn't start hurting until like, you know, when I got back, but it was one of the worst. I think I actually ended up having to drop out of a college class because of that. Jesus. It was a summer school class and I ended up missing like three days because it's like really condensed. Yeah.

The summer school schedule. Yeah. I remember going and talking to the professor and he's like, I don't really care. Yeah. Well, fair. Okay. Well, I got a drop. I don't know about heat stroke, but that's the time that the sun has hurt me the most.

That's the worst thing I can think of. Yeah. That's amazing. I've never even considered that as a possibility. Well, that's because I hate the out of doors. The message is, if you go on a float trip, wear some fucking sunscreen, don't be like me. Back when I was a dumb fucking, so stupid.

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So stay tuned for that. Stick around for that, yeah. So Jordan, today what we're doing is we're going over some 2013 stuff and we're going over the time span of February 27th to March 10th. And spoiler alert, Alex goes on vacation for a large chunk of this time. So he's only in studio on the 27th and the 28th and then comes back on the 10th. He has like Mike Adams, one of his dumb employees, Aaron Dykes fills in as a host. Like he just gets guest hosts to fill in.

And honestly, I believe that even the surrounding time, he's on vacation in his head. Like on the 27th and 28th, there's really not a whole lot to go over. When he comes back on the 10th, there's nothing that I saw fit to pull as like, oh, this will make for an interesting episode. There's just nothing. He's checked out. He knows that he needs to go on vacation and he knows that he's going to be gone for a nice week.

Yeah. Fuck it. He has senioritis. I was about to say senioritis. This is too weird. We got to stop doing this. The show's over. You and I talk too much.

Show's over, guys. So there's really not much to go over. Like it's a really desolate period where there's not like, you know, we go back to the 2013 and we're tracking this in order to try and have a better understanding of how he covered Sandy Hook in particular. We're seeing a lot of trends that are clearly related to the phenomenon that's happening in the conspiracy world around Sandy Hook. The popularity of the conspiracy videos about it, the truth are in quotes videos about it.

The way Alex has started covering all of these shootings with rank suspicion, the way he's trying to glom into that market. We're definitely seeing those things. But in terms of anything that relates to anything, nothing during this stretch. I think about it because sometimes when we're doing the 2013 episodes, I'm almost like, Oh, that's right. We're talking about Sandy Hook because these are so often unrelated. But it is interesting to think about what's bubbling around Alex Jones during this time

period. Like he may be talking about something random and weird, but all the while in the background on YouTube, there's new Sandy Hook truth or conspiracy videos coming out. Yeah. Oh yeah. By this point, like February and March, like it's all, it's all pretty, like it's bubbling up for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like, I would assume it's on some level within the ranks of Info Wars. There's probably some people who are thinking like, why aren't we? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And you know what?

The other thing that I'm thinking about that I think is a failure of whatever we can do as an investigation is that we're not covering Info Wars nightly news. Where Alex's cohorts are doing their reports. People like Rob do and David Knight who work there at the time. I believe Jacarie Jackson's doing the nightly news too at this point. Like they might be covering Sandy Hook shit more. Right. And it hasn't made it to Alex's varsity show as much.

It does come up and he does definitely think the globalists did it. Yeah. Well, of course. It's a false flag to him at least. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, it, it is interesting to see the slow play for sure. Like there's just nothing going on.

So the only thing that I really feel like is worth talking about comes up on February 28th, right before he leaves for vacation, Alex is in a terrible, terrible mood. And it's because of a bill that he has caught wind of murdering little kids at an extreme me getting upset. It's extreme me getting freaked out by the legislation that Melissa Melton brought me this morning. And I went and looked it up. It's introduced in Texas for forced inoculations.

Every child care worker, if you work at a Mr. Gaddy's and kids are around, you got to take shots. If you work at the YMCA, you got to take shots. I mean, just the end of everything. So we got this bill, there's actually two bills that Alex is responding to here that he has just been brought by his crack reporter, Melissa Melton this morning. He's completely losing his mind. These are two bills in the Texas Senate, SB 63 and SB 64.

SB 63 allowed some children to consent to receiving vaccines without parental permission. However, the word some is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence. According to Texas's preexisting family codes, there are a ton of instances where a child can consent to their own health care decisions, regardless of what their parents say. For instance, since at least 1995, a child can make their own medical decisions in cases where the child is pregnant, or if abuse is suspected, or if the child is seeking treatment related to drug addiction, there are plenty of instances where the state rightly realizes that demanding parental consent for treatment would put a child's life at risk.

So that level of consent is not required. All SB 63 did was amend the already existing instances of when a child could consent to their own health care with specific language around vaccination. All this did, SB 63, was to make it explicit that a child can control their own vaccination decisions in a case when a child is pregnant or has a child of their own. That's all it did. It's really crazy, because in all of Alex's coverage of this, while he's freaking out and screaming about it, I didn't hear him bring up any of that stuff.

It's just him rambling about how the government's trying to kill everyone. And then for SB 64, this is really just an amending of Texas's human resource code to say that people who work in licensed child care facilities need to be immunized for vaccine-preventable diseases, which I think makes pretty good sense. No, that makes all the sense. And it would be infuriating if I, I last night at the, while I was working at the hut, at the Zany's, well, somebody was a anti-vaxxer and I went ballistic during the crowd in the crowd.

Yeah. Yeah. And I just went ballistic. Really never know these days. Right. Touring, touring comics, never know if they're going to pull, what they're going to pull out. Oh man.

The headliner is, he was giving me some like white identity is what's under attack. And I'm like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Wrong, wrong host. Yeah. Try and spit that too. So anyway, this is just about that, about making, you know, amending the code slightly. Alex would say that, you know, that's pretty discriminatory against people who just don't want to get vaccines or whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine with discriminating against people who don't want to get vaccines. Well, here's the problem. This amendment, SB 64 explicitly says that their policy will quote, include procedures for facility employees to be exempt from required vaccines. It goes on to say that it'll formulate guidelines quote for a facility employee who is exempt for required vaccines include procedures.

The employee must follow to protect children at the under the facilities care from exposure to disease, such as the use of protective medical equipment, including gloves and masks based on the level of risk the employee presents to children by the employees routine and direct exposure to children. They have a paragraph about how they need to quote prohibit discrimination or retaliatory action against a facility employee who is exempt from the required vaccines. For something that's allegedly supposed to be about forcing everyone to get shots. It seems like SB 64 is going out of its way to accommodate people who are exempt from

getting shots. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. I respect that. I do. But at the same time, maybe don't go that hard trying to be as accommodating towards that.

Well, but if you are being accommodating at all, then you have to go really far because that's true. You have to set in place the guidelines in order to accommodate the people who are like you need to. If you're going in and you got to go a mile. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing because like some of the people who would be exempt from the vaccination requirements would be people who physically can't get vaccines

and you do have to accommodate those people and I think it's appropriate and right to do that. Of course. SB 64 explicitly lays out that they're also talking about people who are quote, exempt from taking required vaccines based on reasons of conscience, including a religious belief. That bill is not forcing anyone to get shots. It's clearly about harm reduction and protecting the health of children. Yeah.

It goes out of its way to respect the political and religious beliefs that lead people to argue that they don't need to get shots. Yeah. So now for some comedy. Alex explicitly says that Melissa Melton, one of his reporters brought him that story that morning. This is February 28th, 2013. And that's why he's in such a fucked up mood on this show.

And trust me, he is, he is not great on air. Both of those bills were introduced into the Texas Senate on November 12th, 2012. It's been a quarter of a year since those bills were introduced. And somehow his crack staff had just now figured out about them. These people are the tip of the spear. Hireless researchers, man. Tip of the spear. Hireless.

They are the vanguard in the fight against bills from six months ago. Now, just to be super clear about this and really illustrate my point, here is Alex Jones saying that SB 63 was introduced this week, this last week, which indicates to me that he either is very comfortable making shit up that he doesn't know was introduced in November 2012, or he's totally fine lying about it. It has to be one of the two to settle down. I was very calm today until I saw which they say has a good chance of passing just introduced last week.

We've got SB number 63 and SB number 64. So there you go. I mean, he's just a liar or an idiot who's fine making things up. It's there's there's no two ways about it. Before Melissa told him, maybe I mean, I'm going to give, I'm going to go out of my way to give him the benefit of the doubt, but maybe Melissa did a shitty job and she just wanted to cover it up. So she just told him third possibility would believe it.

Yeah. Third possibility is just laziness to the point of accepting other people's made up shit. So okay, one of those three things, they're all bad. Yeah, I don't know why I'm not going to shake me from that. I don't know why that was a defense. So I listened to tons and tons of Alex in order to like know what's going on through this stretch of February 27th to March 10th, excuse me. And like, that's it in terms of the stuff that I think deserves coverage on our show.

That's not a lot. That's not a lot. So when, you know, these, these episodes are really boring and like co-hosts and stuff are not really worthwhile. And thankfully it's one of these things like Alex is a giver. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I often find whenever there are really bad stretches of his show where there's not

a lot of content going on, oftentimes if you pay close attention, you'll find something that merits discussion. And there is one such thing that happens during the February 27th, 2013 episode that sent me on a very interesting crusade that I believe opens up a really terrifying glimpse into potential things that Alex Jones believes and, and offers context to some of the things that we've talked about for quite a while that I'm troubled by. So here is that clip from the February 27th episode. And the Bible says we get biblical that there'll also be remnant areas and protected areas.

And I believe Texas is going to be one of those areas. I mean, Pastor David J. Smith, you know, said the praying to God like 30 years ago, he was told, move to Texas. This is all going to happen. And it was, I mean, the point is, is that you've got to know that there's not all doom. We need to stand against this regardless, maybe get a reprieve like Nineveh got for a hundred years. We don't know.

So it's fascinating. He always talks about Nineveh, like that's, that's so big in his, he's, he's constantly like around the 2016 election. He always talked about how like, you know, Trump getting in, isn't going to create a utopia, but it'll give us a reprieve like Nineveh. Right. So that's interesting. Great.

It's so consistent that he's always just buying time. Yeah. You know, it's an effort. Yeah, that is an interesting way of looking at it. It's the same thing we heard on, I don't remember if it was the last episode of the one before it where he's talking about his dog where he, you know, he got a couple of years just to, yeah, he gave that dog a reprieve like Nineveh, but it died. Yeah.

Well, of course. Like Nineveh. Anyway, I think he has probably some weird ideas about what's worth artificially continuing. Yeah. What's not. But anyway, that's not the issue. I've always found it really interesting when Alex gets specific about what sorts of religious figures he thinks positively of.

You know, like he talks really negatively about a lot of folks, like he hates the glitter bug churches, the, the, I believe he's been pretty consistently negative about like prosperity gospel folk. Yeah. And the mainstream Christianity is an enemy to him. He always talks about how the church is infiltrated, but I've really never found that he generally, he generally doesn't talk to specifically about what sorts of religious influences he thinks are good.

Right. Has he ever told us like, oh, I go to this church? No. No, right? I think that would be unsafe. That would be. For the church, for himself. Yeah.

For everybody. For Jesus. Yeah. No, I don't, I don't, I don't believe he goes to church. Frankly, I don't know. It seems weird to me to say that maybe it's inappropriate because, you know, that's, that's a person's private life. Yeah.

It'd be, it's weird for me to make an assumption about it, but I would be fairly surprised. I mean, he does his show on Sunday. Yeah. I was just about to say he does a Sunday show. So. Yeah. We know basically that he thinks demons walk among us, that he's in a literal battle with a literal devil and that the rapture is happening after the tribulation.

Post-trib! Afterwards. But then that conveniently allows him to blend these ideas of religious piety and righteous trench warfare, the fantasies that he has about that. One to one. The poster of rapture allows that. It's great. This clip that we just heard is part of an interview with a woman named Catherine Albrecht.

It's supposed to be about the RFID chips that are going to be put in everybody, but it quickly descends into how these RFID chips are the literal biblical mark of the beast. Sure. And from there, it's just a hop, skip, and a jump for them to turn the show into outright televangelism. Everybody's got to get right with God. Crazy. I've never heard anybody in the Christian faith tell me that the literal mark of the

beast was coming. Never heard that one before. In the middle of this, Alex and Catherine express that the end times are probably inevitable and that they're just going to have to survive them. And Alex there says that Texas is going to be important in that, and he cites David J. Smith as a figure who agrees with him. The rest of their interview is boring, so I decided to check into who this pastor was that Alex was referencing.

And my gut told me it would lead me somewhere weird. Now one thing that's important to point out is that David J. Smith is a very obscure figure to people like you and me. And the world. Right. Hopefully. His name is one that only a very specific sort of person would bring up in conversation, particularly in a positive way, as someone whose opinion you should take seriously.

In 1980, David Smith founded the Church of God Evangelistic Association after he broke away from the Worldwide Church of God. The Worldwide Church of God, in turn, was founded by Herbert Armstrong in 1931 under the name the Radio Church of God. Oh, no, bad pass. From that name, I think you might be guessing, but this church might have been like a performative church. Yeah.

Pass. Maybe an early televangelism hustle. Hard pass. Possibly. So Armstrong's career was characterized by doomsday predictions that routinely failed to materialize. He had a pretty good run and when it was all over, his influence would be pretty substantial, possibly not in the way he intended it to be.

But by the mid to late 1970s, things were not going great for his church. Armstrong's son was trying to start a splinter group and he'd been excommunicated from the group. Armstrong's wife had passed away and he'd remarried a woman half a century younger than him. Accusations of malfeasance were flying around him all over the place. So it only makes sense that an enterprising member of that group would see it as the right time to start their own thing.

And that's exactly what David J. Smith did. So when Smith started his Church of God Evangelistic Association, he didn't stray too far from some of the basic tenets of Armstrong's theology. And one of the central beliefs that he retained was Armstrong's teachings about British Israelism, which might strike you as a foreign concept. No. No. No.

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While the theory didn't go mega viral it did gain a little bit of traction early on and here's where one of the most important distinctions comes into play. In the 1600s as this idea began to spread a little bit in Britain it was not explicitly anti-Semitic. The proponents of this theory believed that the people who were Jewish were the descendants of the tribes of Judah and that the white Anglo-Saxons were the 10 tribes that got lost. So they were all Israelites. It could definitely be described as co-opting but at that point in history the ideas were

not being spread to deny Jewish people their heritage or to demonize them. There were plenty of other problems with the theory back then which we'll get into later but anti-Semitism was not one of them. It was just kind of one of those like why is it, it's almost fitting together why we believe in our version of Christianity with why are we completely different people. So you kind of say well now we're also Jews so that makes more sense in that context. There's probably a little piece of it that's that but I think that there's a much larger reason which we'll get into later.

I think there's some timing issues. So these notions existed in small pockets for a long time. Finally reaching their peak in the late 1800s and into the early 1900s. In the early 1900s as these theories began to take hold in the United States that is the point where things got ugly. Here's the final caveat I will give on the matter. There are apparently still some churches that exist that believe in British Israelism that don't hate Jewish people but they are the exception not to the rule.

In the 1920s in the United States British-Israel beliefs were co-opted by outright bigots and anti-Semites and ever since that point the ideas have been almost their exclusive domain. The group Christian Identity traces their roots to British Israelism. The identity that they base their worldview on is the belief that the white race's true identity is the lost tribes of Israel. Christian Identity is a loosely organized theologically entwined overtly white supremacist terrorist party. It wouldn't be right to call them a group since they have a penchant for decentralization

and they follow the leaderless resistance model popularized by Louis Beam who was an adherent of Christian Identity. God damn it! Christian Identity's fingerprints are all over the history of the people behind right-wing terrorism and hate groups since the 1950s. Their path intersects with the Klan, the Aryan Nations, the militia movement of the 90s, the American Nazi Party and its founder George Lincoln Rockwell. The key difference between British Israelism in the 1600s in Britain and the 1900s in

America is that whereas the prior believed that Jews were also descendants of Israel, the latter did not. As the British Israelism beliefs became co-opted by the Christian Identity movement, the narrative changed. No longer was the theory just that white people were also Israelites. It was now that they were the only true Israelites and that a vast majority of the people who think they're Jewish are imposters. Okay, well stop that all of you.

What? No! That's insane! It's wild stuff. But it underpins a ton of these right-wing movements. It's insidious and it's very difficult to track how many people or what people are into because no one's like, hey, I'm a Christian Identity preacher or at least most don't. But their ideas can be very clearly traced a lot of the time.

And that's one of the things that is really murky and really hard about this world. It's amazing to me how far these people go to justify their bigotry. Like, it all starts from you think white people are the best. Right. And then you have to create these fantastical situations where you're like, no, it's okay. I think white people are the best. I think a lot of it can be traced to the idea of wanting to retain a self-image of being a Christian and upholding Christian ideas.

Well, at the same time, hating people, even though Christ would be against them. Finding a way to rationalize and hold those two positions simultaneously, I think, is a large part of people who buy into the... Well, but it also is much easier than maybe giving up whatever security you feel in your supremacy. Yeah, that's true. I don't know. Anyway, some Christian identity folks swing for the fences and argue the Jews are literally descended from the devil. But the more mainline position is that the Anglo-Saxons, as the tribes that got lost, carry out the pure bloodline. The descendants of the tribe of Judah, though they believe that they're Israelites,

their ancestors were actually a population of Turks who converted to Judaism as part of an elaborate plan aimed at taking out the true Israelites. Oh, boy. I can already hear you asking, Jordan, what do these Turkish people have against the Anglo-Saxons? What is it that they want? I wasn't going to ask that. The answer goes... Podcast over. The answer goes back to Genesis 25 and the story of Jacob and Esau.

Esau was Isaac's firstborn son, and as such, he was entitled to a larger share of the inheritance and all the rights of lineage that come along with being recognized as the firstborn. The name for this in the Bible is Birthright. Genesis 25 tells the story of Esau returning home very hungry from work and asking Jacob for some stew. Jacob offers him food if Esau will give him his birthright. Esau agrees, and the birthright is transferred to Jacob. Esau later marries women that Isaac forbade him to marry, and then Jacob still has to pretend to be Esau in order to be bestowed with Isaac's birthright blessing.

But the point is that Esau was the firstborn, and ultimately the birthright went to Jacob, and this pissed off Esau. Right. Well, Jacob just put his... It was his mom, I believe. He made him dress up like Esau. Esau had hairy arms, so he lost his birthright. That's the score. No, no, no. Jacob made his arms hairy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm not entirely sure how common a belief it is among the British-Israel folks, but I can tell you with certainty that the version of British-Israelism that David J. Smith preaches specifically believes that the Turks who decided to pass themselves off as Jews did so because they're descendants of Esau, and they've been carrying out a centuries-long con to reclaim the birthright that was handed down from Jacob to the Anglo-Saxons. God, that's so much work to believe that. That's exhausting to me. The idea of like, oh yeah, that makes sense seems like you have to spend so much time like diagramming the reasons that they would do this shit.

Right. Maybe it's just, maybe it's just not true and everybody's cool, man. Try that one. Pastor David J. Smith, I imagine, would refuse the label of Christian identity. And from all his sermons I've listened to, I get a strong sense that he doesn't think he's a white supremacist. And I disrespectfully disagree with that assessment. I believe him to be an outright, as outright a white supremacist and anti-Semite as I've ever come across doing this podcast. Oh shit.

I felt it was important to walk through some of that differentiation between British-Israelism and what it's become, because David Smith would admit that he believes in British-Israelism. But in reality, taken on the merits of his beliefs, he is far closer to being a Christian identity preacher than he is to being one of the pro-Jewish eccentrics espousing British-Israel ideas back in the 1600s. So that's some of the history of these ideas a little bit. White people fucking up. Simply, Herbert Armstrong was one of the largest proponents of the British-Israelism theory in America. Long after the point, it was very discredited.

And long after the idea had taken hold as a large piece of white supremacist rhetoric in the United States. Herbert Armstrong, whose worldwide church of God, which is where David J. Smith came from, that original church didn't start until 1931. In 1920s is when the Christian identity movement started to co-opt British-Israelism. So the idea that this is all after these ideas had already become very associated with overt anti-Semite behavior is troubling. Yeah, these guys, because I remember specifically in the 1920s when anti- You remember the 1920s?

No, fuck off. I'm talking about the massive amounts of anti-Semitism that were just in public discourse. Which is normal. Yeah, just articles in the New York Times being like, should Jews be allowed to live in America and all this stuff? And that was one of the things where when Hitler, like when Germany was exterminating the Jews, he kind of thought that we would be on board. And the large section of the population was.

Totally was, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anytime somebody's like, we're the good guys in World War II. It's like we were a hair's breadth away from being. Could have easily not been. Accessories, yeah. So when David J. Smith started his church in 1980, 1980 is when he started his church. Good time. This was a belief he decided to hold on to.

So you might be able to tell a few things about him from that choice, or at least get some, you know, everybody, everybody. David J. Smith did differentiate himself from Armstrong's church a little bit, and that he added in a ton of preaching about conspiracy theories, particularly about the dangers of communism and the creation of a one world government. Sure. His sermon titles from the mid 1980s through the mid 1990s, read like a lexicon of Alex Jones conspiracy theories from November 24th, 1984.

Quote, why the coming cashless society? Oh, cashless society. That's a buzzword. I've heard that one from February 8th, 1991. Quote, history of the Illuminati and New World Order. So that's so you, man, I kind of think church would have been more fun. If my prey, my pastor was like, just going to talk a little bit about the Illuminati. Okay.

We're going to go through Daniel 11. I've listened to hours and hours of the sermons and they are not fun. Okay. You know what? You know, it's interesting though. Like I was listening. I've listened to so much of David J. Smith talk and it's, it really was like being back in church.

Yeah. Because you could like, I kept thinking like, wrap it up. He's giving these hour long sermons. I kept being like, I kept sitting here with my chair like, I can almost get up. He's almost, he's got to be. Yeah. He's got to be finished. He's very weird.

You laid your head down on the back of the pew in front of you and you just took a little nap and you got that red spot on your head. I really wanted to find a program so I could see if he was getting close to done hitting his bullet points. Ben addiction. Ben addiction. So some other of his sermons, one of these, this one's from mid sometime in the mid 1980s. Quote rapture.

When? Spoiler alert. Post trade. He's doing clickbait titles for his sermons. Totally. Post trade from 1992. Quote Bill Clinton's Bilderberg connection. That's a sermon.

Did he, did he do two L's in Bilderberg to really hit the, the Bill Clinton, you know, Bill Gerberg? I don't think so. That's 1996. Quote gun confiscation accompanied by genocide. Of course. He did a nine part series called Quote dismantling America for world government. These are sermons.

Nine part. Yeah. Nine part series. So it would be nine weeks. Right. Of going to church for over two months. And he's just like, now here is how they take apart the United States. That's fun.

I haven't heard of serialized church before. Oh, absolutely. He does it a lot. Interesting. He does it a lot. There's like a five part. There's another five part one that I listened to that was so boring. People are looking at like episode four and five and they're like, this isn't really good.

But listen, if you stick her, it's like the wire. Yeah. If you stick through the, if you stick through the bar five. Yeah. It's worth it. I'm here to tell you it's not worth it. He rails on the same bad guys as Alex does the council on foreign relations, the trilateral commission, the Bilderberg group.

He uses the same sources as Alex does like none dare call it conspiracy and W. Cleon scousen. He even seems to admire a lot of the same people. There's so much in Alex Jones here. And a lot of his work long predates Alex ever getting on air. A ton of David J. Smith sermons that I listened to were recorded while Alex was a pretty young guy. Like Alex was six years old than David Smith started his church and radio ministry.

I can't say with any certainty that a ton of Alex's ideas come from David J. Smith, but there's enough interesting parallels that it really makes you start to wonder. For instance, David J. Smith was operating out of Waxahatchee, Texas in the early 1980s. Alex was born in 1974. And in the early 80s, he lived in Dallas, Texas, a city less than 30 miles north of Waxahatchee. Waxahatchee, in fact, is right in between the city of Dallas and Freestone County, where Alex's dad owned a fair share of mineral interests.

Just as Armstrong's ministry began as a radio televangelism operation, that was part of David Smith's work too. As he ran a radio show called NewsWatch Magazine, whose shortwave signal almost definitely reached Dallas and Freestone County. I'd like to take that step back. It definitely reached those because shortwave is designed to go long distances. 30 miles is nothing for a shortwave transmitter. Just like on a long road trip, my dad would put a Prairie Home companion on the radio.

It's entirely possible that Alex and his dad are in the car and his dad just puts on ... Or at the home. Or at the home. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, it's pretty wild. So as I was going over this stuff and looking into David J. Smith, I couldn't shake the feeling

there was something really big here that Alex let slip by referencing David J. Smith as being someone who said that Texas would be safe during the ... Right, right, right. Because that also makes sense. It's such a non sequitur, this preacher that I'd not really heard of. I hadn't really heard Alex talk much about. But you start to look at it and there's so many similarities. Yeah.

There's a geographical connection and a couple of very specific pieces of rhetoric, but that doesn't seem to add up to proof that Alex is heavily influenced by this British-Israelism preacher. It's not proof. Him referencing Smith about how Texas would be safe could just be something that Alex read on a blog about how great Texas is. There's alternative explanations. Yeah, everybody will find a reason for Texas to be great.

Sure, it's the best. Yeah. I needed to know more. So I sat down, like I said, I listened to tons of David J. Smith's radio sermons. I lost count of how many hours of his rambling I've listened to. But from what I've listened to, I find it very difficult to imagine that Alex didn't listen to this show. There's just far too many things that overlap, far too many little details that seem insanely

suspicious. So what I've done here is I have compiled from my God knows how many hours of listening to this dumbass preach a bunch of clips that I think are going to walk us through an experience that we can see if this is convincing to you or to the listeners that there is. So you're about to prove that white people are descended from the lost tribes of Israel, right? That's what you're about to tell all of us that British-Israelism is actually correct, right?

Yeah, you have that wrong. No, I've got that wrong. I apologize if that's the... Backwards. What I am going to hopefully demonstrate, or what I'm going to attempt to demonstrate, is first of all that David J. Smith is a proto-Alex Jones, that he was doing Alex's show before Alex was. And then secondarily, I would like to give people a glimpse into what sort of show Alex

was listening to if he listened to David J. Smith's show. Because it's not just New World Order conspiracies. There are other things being discussed on this show that I think would be really weird to imagine that Alex thinks is okay. So the first thing I'd like to demonstrate with these clips is that David J. Smith is the sort of British-Israelism preacher who believes that most Jews aren't Jews. This is a huge problem, since this distinction puts him much closer to the Christian identity side of things than just the British-Israelism side of things.

Right. And I believe that that's important to nail down, because that is how I look at this David J. Smith. Yeah. And I don't want people to think that that is undeserved. Right. So here is him saying, well, basically just that. 92% of all people on the face of the earth who claim to be Jews are not blood-related

Jews. They are converts, proselytes to Judaism. So 92% of the Jews in the world are not Jews. Did he take a survey or was there a poll? Like, how did he get to 92%? It is pretty specific, isn't it? It's a very specific number. Yeah, it is.

I don't know, man. I don't care. I'm just amazed whenever people make those wild claims and they just pick that number, 92% out of the air with nothing behind it. I imagine he does have something behind it. Does he? Well, I mean, something that's dumb. Oh, yeah, that's bullshit.

But I bet he does. Yeah. So David Smith believes that the current day Jews are actually descendants of Esau, as I mentioned earlier. Sure. And make no mistake about it, he sees them as the villains in the story of world history. In this next clip, Smith explains how Eastern European Jews, who he feels are descendants of Esau, are responsible for many of the things that he thinks are bad in the world, including

international communism. They were very few in number. These were the racially pure Jews who went across and converted other people, and then they began to break down the bloodline. But there is other Jews who historically, we have to trace back and see where they came from. And if we don't, then we're not going to understand Bible prophecy. So I think it's vital that we do.

Now, when you start studying the origin of the East European Jews, this becomes very interesting because who was it that overthrew the Tsar in Russia? Oh, God. The Eastern European Jews. Who was it that set up international communism? The Eastern European Jews. Really? Who is it trying to stamp out the United States, the British Commonwealth, all over the world,

and to do away with Christianity today? Eastern European Jews. Excuse me, sir. Holy shit. Excuse me. Could you, sorry. One quick question, sir. Do you have any evidence that this is true?

Well, I will tell you that he does reference that he's uneducated. Oh, OK. Well, then good. Never mind. Because, you know, God tells you that you can't understand everything with your senses, right? So you need to be able to spiritually get this stuff. No, I feel like that's a cop out.

It's also a really dangerous standard of proof to accept. Because then anything you feel might be real. Yeah. I know it's really bad whenever he can't even say the word Jew period without giving you the hard J. Like any time he says Jew, it's a racial slur. We're two clips into this and you're already getting, I believe, the message that I was hoping to transmit. Oh, yeah.

And that is that this dude is fucked up. This dude is fucked up. Yeah. And in case you need it spelled out a little more explicitly, here's David J. Smith explaining that modern day Jews, particularly Eastern European Jews, are the descendants of Esau. So when he speaks of the house of Esau or Esau's descendants, he specifically means people who are alive today who are Jewish. It is now Esau and his descent coming up claiming to be God's chosen people when they are not.

And now we want to go into some scriptures and find out whether this is true or not. Because the Jews of Eastern Europe are the ones who are behind the push for world government. So all of this stuff is anti-world government. It's working against the New World Order that he believes is being formed by international communism that's being pushed by Jews. This is a very clear, it's very easy to see through what's going on here. Yeah. That is, he believes that Jews are trying to take over the world.

Now, God, it is so fucking silly to me how they believe God works like a like a fairy godmother, you know, like, oh, well, see, because one time one guy tricked his dad. Well, then clearly all of these people forever are evil. There's a there's a no, there's an even weirder version of that coming up in one of these clips. That's crazy. Why do you believe God is of the Fae folk? Like, what are you guys doing? You can't spell fairy godmother without God, bro.

No, damn it. You got me. So in Smith's conception, these Eastern European imposter Jewish folk, they're creating international communism and socialism with the explicit goal of taking back Esau's birthright that was given to Jacob and then according to Smith, carried on by the United States and Britain. And it's very interesting to me. This is just a sidelight that in Revelation 17, it talks about a beast that's going to come up out of the sea and it's called a scarlet colored beast.

Scarlet is red. And what we see the the global network today that is engulfing the world all is already taken all of Asia, most of Africa do not say Europe. It's coming up through South America today. It's called international communism or the Reds. And yet this red beast of Revelation 17 is now writing and it's going to conquer and it's going to end up being a world government. And it's going to be Esau trying to regain his birthright that he sold to Israel.

That's exactly what's going on. That's exactly what's going on. How could that possibly be what's going on? No, that can't be. So that with that conception that he has just created there is explicitly making a battlefield between Anglo-Saxon peoples and Jews. That's bananas. Which is exactly what neo-Nazis preach to their converts.

It's the neo-Nazi worldview that there is a eternal tension between Jews and non-Jews. What if there just wasn't and we were all cool? I like that. I'm going to go with that one. Yeah, but it's not just that the Jews, the descendants from Esau and not to steal white people's birthright. That's not what just makes them evil. No.

Also, according to Smith, Jews are also evil magicians. Okay. They literally teach you in the Kabbalah how to have demonism, how to raise up spirits, necromancer, witchcraft, right in their own books of the Talmud. How much clearer can get it? No wonder it says they are the synagogue of Satan, but they claim to be Jews, God's chosen people, when they're not. They're not.

Excuse me. Excuse me. Pastor. You're doing a lot of raising your hand. Pastor. So could you point to the Talmud where it teaches you how to raise the dead? There's step-by-step instructions. It's like the anarchist cookbook.

Okay. Cool. Could you give me those verses or? Nah. No, you can't? Okay. Sorry. But you can raise the dead if you read it.

So that's good. Also, that is part and parcel of his explanation for why the Jews are to blame for their own exile from places and being run out of countries. They're not run out of countries. Because they were raising the dead. Because they're magicians. All right. When did the mummy come out?

Is this Brendan Frazier's heyday? It's a nutty level of victim blaming. That's crazy. Yeah. There's a very blunt denial of Jewish identity that's happening throughout Smith's sermons. And it's very hard to imagine that a person could listen to him for any stretch of time and not get these messages loud and clear. White people are the real Israelites and God's chosen people.

And the Jews are trying to create a world government system in order to deprive white people of their rightful place in the world and their birthright and also Jews do necromancy. See, that just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't. It does not make sense. I'm going to go with the pass on that one. Also, an important distinction is that David Smith preaches that Jews know that they aren't really Israelites.

What? They're aware of it. Oh my God. Remember, I'm using nothing but Jewish literature itself to show they know the truth of this matter. So. Excuse me. Excuse me, Pastor.

Could you point to this Jewish literature that you are discussing? He does reference a Jewish encyclopedia a lot. Okay. So just like that, not only do you have an enemy on the world stage and explicit battlefield between two forces, you have an enemy that's keenly aware of their evil and deceit. You remove the possibility that maybe Smith is the first person to discover all this stuff. So the Jewish people don't know what they're up to and what's going on. No.

They know what they're doing and they know that it's evil. That sort of thinking can only lead to one conclusion. And you know what? David Smith doesn't shy away from that natural conclusion. Obadiah, 18 through 21. And the house of Jacob shall be a fire. And the house of Joseph, that's the twin sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, a flame. In other words, a light.

And the house of Esau for stubble. What burns up in fire? Stubble. And they shall kindle in them and devour them. And there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau. So Esau is going to be destroyed because they hate the God of Israel. And they're trying to take back the birthright that they forfeited. So, like, if you understand that clip, he's saying that the extermination of Jews will happen.

And it's a necessary part of reaching his religion's final positive state of affairs. Yeah. Keep in mind, these are old recordings, but not pre-World War II old. It's very clear that what David Smith is preaching and the idea that, like, Alex might look at this guy as anything other than a kind of bland milk toast, but sincere hate preacher is incredibly scary. Because he's talking about exterminating the Jews. Yeah. We're back at it where it's like, he's not denying the Holocaust.

He's saying it didn't finish the job. Right. It didn't do it enough. I believe based on his New World Order ideas, like there is still some of that, like the New World Order orchestrated things and what have you. But even leaving that aside, yeah, if his idea is that in the, you know, Obadiah tells us that Ephraim and Manasseh, you know, that's what he believes to be the United States and Britain, are going to be the light with which the sons of Esau are burnt up and none shall survive. Yeah.

What the fuck else are you, what are you talking about other than- A fucking oven. Jesus Christ. Or the United States, the West. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exterminating the Jews. Like, that's what he believes. Absolutely.

That's what he believes. That's fucked up. There's no way around it. You hear stuff like that. It's like, holy fucking shit. Somebody take his Bible away. Get his Bible out of there. Also, how is this not like, how is, I don't, I don't understand why he's not more known.

Like this is somebody who, you know, had a platform. This is fucked up. Yeah. Give him a Judy Bloom novel and take his Bible away and maybe we'll get some better preaching out of this. So now I want to get back to exactly what this birthright is that Smith fuels is under attack by these Jewish people who are secretly the descendants of Esau who want their birthright back. Sure. It's not some kind of fruitfulness or prosperity or national success like you might hope it is. It's explicitly world domination.

According to Smith's interpretation of scripture, God gave his birthright to white people, which gave them all manner of blessings. They are entitled to enslave non-white people. They're entitled to all the natural resources of the earth, even in countries that aren't their own. They have their run of the show. Earlier I mentioned that even back in the 1600s in Britain, these British-Israelite beliefs didn't come from a good place. And even if they weren't motivated by anti-Semitism, here's where this sort of comes in. British-Israelism in its early formation is largely seen as a way that ostensibly Christian people could rationalize the booming period of British colonialism. In the late 1500s into the early 1600s, that's right in the period that's known as the first British empire that began to take shape.

As Britain prioritized colonizing as much of the world as possible as opposed to fighting with other European countries like Spain over areas that had already been colonized. In December 1600, the East India Company was founded, which would go on to be a massive force of colonialism through many corners of the world. People were great. If you read about the history of the East India Company, they were. Look, nobody, nobody just committed genocide quite like they did. What the British in many other countries as well were doing was immoral on its face. They were going into territory that was inhabited and claiming it as their own, often enslaving or killing the native populations that didn't get on board with the program. But simultaneously, the country and the people were trying to retain the moral high ground that what they were doing wasn't horribly evil. Because according to what they profess to believe, you know, if you look at it through that prism, it absolutely was horribly evil.

Oh, absolutely. These ideas are interesting at first, but I think the reason they fell out of favor and never really caught on is twofold. For one, they're completely debunked by scholars from a ton of fields. And the purpose that these British Israelism ideas served could be handled easily by appeals to ideas of British exceptionalism or pretending that you're colonizing a country in order to bring Jesus to quote unquote savages. You don't need to rewrite all of history in order to get an excuse for your behavior. So I suspect that most people saw British Israelism as kind of over complicating things. Yeah, because yeah, it's over complicating things. The easier way is to justify brutal nationalism than the steps you need to take in order to rationalize British Israel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the birthright that David J. Smith preaches about the birthright that white people have to dominate the world. In this sermon, he expressly points out former colonies gaining independence as being counter to his version of biblical prophecies and thus is proof that the sons of Esau are on the march. Just as fast as we rose to prominence on the world scene, every one of these Seagates are being stripped from us one by one. Rhodesia turned over. No. Now it's a Marxist state. Egypt, which control Britain, control all of Palestine and Egypt.

All of those are now free countries. The Red Sea no longer belongs to Great Britain. The Panama Canal has been given away from the United States. It's not controlled by us anymore. One by one, every single one of the colonies which fulfill these prophecies are being stripped from the United States and Great Britain today. Every one of them. This dude is fucking crazy. He's a mess.

It's so scary to hear like a baby in the bathroom. Yeah, that's fucked up. Yeah, because this is preaching. Yeah. In other sermons, he expands on his feelings about Rhodesia and South Africa and he's very clear that he supports the apartheid governments in those countries. Though Rhodesia had become Zimbabwe already, South Africa is still very much under apartheid rule when he's giving these sermons and he's all about it. It's profoundly fucked up to here, especially considering the prism of history and the baby in the background. Yeah.

I can't get over that. This is so weird. So given these considerations, we know that it's white people's birthright to rule over the world and colonize whatever they want, take whatever resources they please. But what do you think black people's birthright is? Oh, no. No, I don't want to hear. Oh, no. If you guessed they get to be slaves literally forever, you guessed correctly.

Jesus Christ. But notice now in verse 24, and Noah awoke from his wine so he came out of his drunken stupor and knew what his younger son, now this wasn't the actual son, but it should have been grandson, had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan. This was the son of Ham. He had done something to Noah while he was in a drunken stupor that literally set the course of history. And notice what happened. A servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. Now this is what we would call basically the African race of people that settled Africa.

Ham. And God literally said that they would become servants all the way through the rest of history. All through history forever. Okay. Okay. Okay. So somebody got into a fucking bar fight so black people are slaves for forever? I don't even know if it sounds like a bar fight.

It could have been a prank. Yeah. I don't know all the ins and outs of that story because I just don't care. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Some happened to Noah when he was drunken. Now black people are slaves forever.

I really don't think that's how God works. This is not good. That is insane. And people didn't like bum rush him and then like there was a dog pile of people like just putting their hands over his mouth saying never speak again. No they gave him money. That's cool. Oh man white supremacists are fucking crazy. Yeah.

So if you're keeping score David Smith believes that there needs to be a righteous extermination of the Jews who aren't really Jews. That white people should rule the world and the black people are permanent slaves because someone pranked Noah while he was drunk one time. I think I've already said this on this episode but it bears repeating David Smith is a complete white supremacist and an insane idiot. Now that we've established some of these really dangerous and fucked up ideas that David Smith preaches and if Alex was listening to the show he was listening to stuff like this. Yeah. When he was a kid. Yeah. If he was.

Now I think it's important that we need to take a little time and highlight some of the glaring similarities that he has with Alex Jones. For one very basic thing he believes that international socialism pretends to be atheistic but is secretly about worshiping the devil. Sure. And the whole world is set up strategically right now for that final conflict between international socialism communism which calls itself atheism but it's not it's those who control it worship Lucifer by name. So that's a pretty concrete similarity between him and Alex. Jesus Christ. And also the muddying the waters of communism and socialism. Also another pretty big similarities that he believes that the Council on Foreign Relations is a globalist plot.

He's preaching right. Yeah I mean these are all sermons. We're getting CFR in a sermon. Okay cool cool cool cool. What about the Council on Foreign Relations and it's globalist policy. Globalist. Do they have a global policy? Can you prove it?

If you can how can you prove it? The Council on Foreign Relations actually advocates the creation of a one world government. Now the ultimate implication of this is that all power would be centralized into a single global authority. National identities and boundaries would be eliminated. In 1897 those exact plans were laid down in writing. They were discovered in Russia. No he's a pest dispenser. Yeah he believes in the protocols.

God damn it. So I mean I think that that clip you know it illustrates a big similarity and a difference similar in belief. I mean that could have just been Alex. Yeah globalist. Very similar. Yeah. Council on Foreign Relations Globalists trying to create a world government blah blah blah. But it's different in that Smith is willing to admit that he believes in the protocols of the Elders Zion.

Yeah. He goes on to expound on his ideas about how the Council on Foreign Relations hates people who want to put America first. Then he proceeds to lay out in this next clip a conspiracy that Alex Jones has made very central to his worldview. In the entire CFR lexicon that's their terminology their language. There is no term of revulsion that repulses them. Carrying a meaning so deep as America first. End of quote. He says the Council on Foreign Relations hates the term America should be first.

We're the greatest nation on earth we should state first. The Council on Foreign Relations hates that terminology. Yeah. I'm fine with that. That's one of Alex's big ideas about the financial collapse stuff. Yeah. We need to destroy the economy in order to make everyone so poor that we can merge with third world countries. That is clearly articulated by Smith years before Alex ever got on the radio.

This could be Alex's show before Alex existed very clearly. Alex even does talk about the Illuminati from time to time especially did earlier in his career. I think it's embarrassing to talk about it too much now but he didn't have that bugaboo before he was certainly fine with it. I am amazed by like that guy can turn well so many of these dudes can turn this idea of like hey maybe let's not go crazy on the like America first and maybe bring other countries and everybody into the fold and bring everybody up to this equal place instead of you know keeping all of them down and turn that into what they're trying to do is kill everybody in America and make us all poor. Make a poor so we can merge and they can rule forever. Like a simple goal of like hey let's be brothers with everybody they turn into something perverse and awful and how is it that you don't that people just don't go like oh you're an asshole. Right.

I mean I think it's a stunting of moral development to some extent. Because like you know a real early form of moral development is just sort of your own. I mean even before that it's your own personal needs being met. Then there's like okay so my family we should protect my family. Right. Then you have a larger social group and you develop to understand oh I you know we need to all of us should be doing well. Then you expand out to a city and a state and a country and eventually you get to the world. These guys just stop.

Yeah. I mean whatever principles lead you to care for anyone. Yeah. If you sit and think about it long enough should become universal. Yeah. Yeah. That's the only way we become a type one civilization. Well even forget about that stuff because then you know I'm just I understand.

Yeah. America first and those sorts of ideas really are just a backstop against people developing fully on their moral path towards. Yeah. Actualization of we're all people. Yeah. Anyway if you really want to look at this the overlap between Alex Jones and David Smith runs a very deep. For another thing they both preach constantly about how the New World Order is trying to disarm the population in order to take over. They said that they would have to carry out an operation to solve this problem was to create conditions in the United States of America under some pretext to disarm and confiscate all weapons from the people.

God loves God was this going to happen. There could not be a world government. There could not be an all powerful government unless the citizens of the world were disarmed and could not defend themselves. So he believes much like Alex that a necessary piece of bringing in this world government is disarming the population. But if you listen even closer to that clip you see that he also believes that the world government is going to use false flag type situations in order to pursue their goals. They're going to create circumstance. An operation. Because he believes in the Hegelian dialectic.

The problem reaction solution. Right. Ideas. He has the sermons where he brings that up very clearly. The overlap is insanely strong. And he believes this right. What do you mean by that? I mean well like with Alex there's a lot of shit that he says that we all know he's bullshitting about and he doesn't actually believe it.

I mean it seems like a real crazy thing for him to do this and not believe it. Yeah. I mean this is so intense. Yeah. That's so scary. So honestly we could do this all day. Like almost any conspiracy that Alex Jones believes about the Illuminati or New World Order or world government is echoed in the sermons of David J. Smith. The Federal Reserve is evil.

Taxation is theft. They want to destroy your families. The mainstream churches have been infiltrated by the New World Order. There's so much substantive overlap. But if I'm being honest, that piece of their overlap was less interesting to me than some of the more subtle connections that you can find if you pay close attention. For one, David Smith has the exact same habit that Alex Jones does of using fake documents to support his arguments. We already heard him say the protocols of the Elders of Zion is real. And in this next clip he uses another fake document to make his argument.

In 1919, after World War I was completed, while the Allies had troops still stationed in Germany, they discovered the rules for communist revolution. Now communism was instituted by the Illuminati worshippers of Lucifer. That doesn't sound right. Some within that movement prefer to call him Satan. Albert Pike did, who laid down the final 100-year program for world government that would be achieved by the end of the 20th century. These rules of revolution said they would take over the mass media in the United States of America and program the minds of the people so that it would turn it against patriots. It would turn it against Christians who wanted to be faithful to Jesus Christ. And it would turn the mass public's mind against those individuals who believed in the Constitution of the United States.

He goes on to talk about how it's the Second Amendment too. Sure, sure, sure, sure. We have a substantive difference or similarity there with that. They're trying to turn people against patriots and people who love the Constitution and Christians. You have a really one-to-one parallel, rhetorically. But then that rules for communist revolution is a fake document. So he's citing that in order to create a fake narrative. What they're doing is entirely the same.

Just one of them is at a pulpit in a radio show and the other as a studio. That's basically the only difference between those clips. George Soros made a lot of people in Antifa sign the rules for communist revolution before they start all those fights. It's number one on the syllabus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Required reading. But it's not just fake documents, though. David J. Smith also uses fake quotes in his sermon, just like Alex Jones does.

Thomas Jefferson. In fact, he uses some of the exact same fake quotes. God damn. Then George Washington, the first president of the United States, I quote him. Oh, that one? Firearms stand next to importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth in the quote. That's a fake quote.

We talked about that on a recent episode. That liberty teeth is a very specific phraseology that he's using. It's a specific fake quote for both of these dudes to think is real. It tells me that Alex either got this from David Smith or that they're both working off similar sources that pushed this fake quote. And either isn't a good option. No. Like both are intertwining these two people as either being in the same community or Alex taking it from him. And the similarities don't stop there.

David J. Smith takes a lot of his beliefs about this international conspiracy from the exact same place as Alex does. This was recorded in the naked communists by W. Cleon Scousen. He talks about W. Cleon Scousen. He talks about none dare call it conspiracy as being great books. And you know what? He seems to admire a lot of the same people that Alex does. I happen to know that there's over 700 banks in the United States, according to Senator Ron Paul, not Senator, but House of Representatives member, that are now in danger of collapse.

And yet the government won't breathe the word because if they breathe which companies or which banks they were, you and I would go have a run on them and ensure their collapse because you and I don't want to lose our money. So you've got financial collapse narratives which are so central to Alex's paranoia that he pushes and they're being defended by appeals to Ron Paul. Now Ron Paul is a pretty common person for weirdo militia types to support. So maybe this one isn't too bizarre. But I think this next one, a little more specific. We have really not even begun to develop our own energy sources.

And an example of that is in Alaska. And I've mentioned this before. The book put out the energy non-crisis by Lindsay Williams where he was right there on the spot. He had access to all documentation and he has shown documented that the Gull Island fine was the largest in the United States. So I've literally never heard anyone other than Alex Jones reference Lindsay Williams. That's not entirely true. I'm sorry I'm the spoke. I've also heard people on Alex's message board reference Lindsay Williams as a con man that they never wanted here on the show as a guest ever again.

Beyond that, it's just Alex and David J Smith. These connections are pretty compelling, right? I feel like we've gotten some insane parallels both in content and belief. Style, substance, references, people. Lindsay Williams being referenced by both these dudes is insane to me. When I was listening through that sermon, I was like, what? Lindsay Williams did not expect to hear that there. But I feel like this last clip that I have of these sermons should jump out at you.

This could easily be a clip from Alex's show. And that's just historical documentation which can be found in the congressional records of the United States. And there's even a movie making circulations now and it's been on cable called Reds. So you see there. And there's a movie that he's, oh my God. His preacher is trying to make a point and then he vaguely cites the congressional record but doesn't really get into it. Instead, he relates his point to a movie. It's insane.

That's exactly the rhetorical style that Alex employs. And to me, that feels like a little bit of a fingerprint. It's the sort of thing that you could, like if you listen to a ton of it, you might adopt that into your subconscious. Especially if you're a younger person listening to a ton of this. And so if you listen to a preacher who had these verbal patterns, it would make sense that you might be like, well, I just compare things to movies to make my point instead. You know, I don't know if that's, I don't, this is certainly not concrete, but it's enough along with all of the other stuff. You kind of got to look at a lot of these similarities as it's piling up to mountains of circumstantial evidence.

God, he's like weaponized stupidity. Like he's- Alex or David. Both. Fair. I mean, it seems more like based on what we're going through here, it sounds to me like David Smith. David Smith is so fucking stupid and crazy that he inadvertently shot Alex like a missile into America. I don't, I don't know.

You know what I'm saying? I don't know if that's 100% sure or true, but like, it's, it's certainly, he might have contributed to the few, you know. That's crazy. Yeah. So this is just a small sample of the things that I've heard from Smith sermons. There are plenty, plenty more of examples of direct overlap with Alex on tons of issues. I could play you hours of Smith talking and sounding exactly like Alex, but ultimately all that can prove is that they believe similar things and, you know, there's similarities, there's timeline patterns, but that's a completely unsatisfying conclusion for me. I needed to figure out if there was a stronger connection between these two, so I kept looking.

Something that we've left unexamined for too long is Alex's presence on shortwave radio. For those unaware, shortwave signals exist in a band of frequencies that could be broadcast for huge distances. Whereas a radio signal might only be capable of being picked up in like a 20 mile radius from the transmitter, large shortwave transmitters can push a signal out that could be received easily through the entire United States and further. Alex always used to tell his audience to set up their own transmitters to broadcast his show, which that would definitely help him, you know, playing on more frequencies, but it wouldn't do anything to help expand his geographical reach. Alex only needs one shortwave transmitter to broadcast his show all over the United States and in Canada and in Mexico, and that station that does that work is WWCR out of Nashville, Tennessee. WWCR has an official partnership with Genesis Communications Network and a number of their shows are broadcast from that hub. Some of the other shows that have been on that network include The Hour of the Time, which was Bill Cooper's show before he died. They also have a show on there called The Intelligence Report, I don't believe that's on anymore, but it was hosted by Mark from Michigan, a notorious militia agitator who would call into Alex's show and had appeared as a guest on Alex's show as well.

Jack McLam had a show on WWCR. If you forget, McLam was a frequent Alex Jones guest who tried to create a Patriot Utopia in rural Idaho, along with militia lunatic and hardcore Christian identity follower Bo Gritz. Bo Gritz also had a show on WWCR called Freedom Call. They aired a show called Radio Free America, which was sponsored by the Liberty Lobby and Spotlight Magazine, the anti-Semitic rag where Alex's main Bilderberg source Jim Tucker worked for years. WWCR also broadcasted Scriptures for America, a radio program hosted by Pete Peters, the Christian identity preacher who organized the Fascist Organizing Summit, the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous, which was attended by area nation's leader Louis Beam, popularizer of the leaderless resistance, and frequent Alex Jones guest and Alex Jones sponsor Larry Pratt of Gun Owners for America. WWCR also broadcasts David J. Smith's News Watch Magazine. WWCR is a pretty extremist Christian outlet with heavy ties to extremes on the right wing in the militia Patriot community. And you can see that from just so many of the shows they aired that they have explicit or subtle ties to Alex and his worldview. The idea that David J. Smith's show was broadcast on the same transmitter station on shortwave as Alex and all of these very explicit Christian identity programs, it means something. God, that is insane. Can you even, like I'm trying to think of some sort of like polar opposite. Can you imagine a shortwave radio station that was just like fucking environmental terrorists doing nothing but like you need to blow up fucking damn every goddamn.

Something close to that might exist because I mean shortwave does also include a lot of like pirate programs. Yeah. You know, amateur people with transmitters can broadcast stuff on shortwave with fairly easy abilities. I'm not aware of any eco terrorist stations. Right. Especially on par with WWCR. I know. Which has like, the reach of it is insane. I imagine that.

You have to contact them to get their exact coverage map. Yeah. I didn't want to do that. I don't want to talk to them. No, no, no, please no. But ones I could find that I'm not 100% sure if they're accurate, but they go all over North America into South America and in Europe throughout Europe and North Africa. Like they have coverage of like an insane area. Bananas.

Yeah. So I think it's, I think it's pretty fucked up to see this, this very clear connection. Like why it's not pretty fucked up. It's insanely fucked up. Why is Alex on this Christian identity broadcast station that also broadcasts this preacher? Like it's very strange to me. Very strange. No, it's not strange.

It makes perfect sense. They're all fucking Nazi terrorists. I don't know, man. Yeah. But even as connected as this seems, it's still not definitive enough for me. I needed something more concrete. And after digging around a little more, what should I find? But in May 14th, 2008 episode of the Alex Jones show featuring David J Smith as the guest.

I figured if anything could give me a sense of Alex's true feelings towards Smith, it would be a conversation between the two of them. And here, Jordan is how that conversation begins. We only have one guest today because I want to have plenty of time to cover the news and have open phones in the first third and fourth hour today. Mr. David J Smith from Loxahatchee, Texas, fighting the New World Order for more than 30 years, will be joining us on air to talk about his neck of the woods nearby the Baptist Bible School in East Texas where they have homeland security come in and tell members of the staff that they'll be arrested and charged with espionage if they speak about the Bill of Rights and Constitution. That's a little bit of a sort of mischaracterization of what's going on. He's also really, he's speaking really loosely to make it sound like David J Smith's church has anything to do with this church that's allegedly having homeland security. Yeah, it definitely sounded like it's disconnected. It's maybe geographically close, but it's unrelated and it's more just an issue of like this church was in a preaching politics.

And you run your risk of your tax exempt status being taken away if you advocate for or against specific policies, ways to vote, candidates, because you want to keep those things discreet. It's very easy to see how if you're running a church, you could election metal, fairly easily, especially in like local elections. It would be very easy to set up a machine if churches were allowed to be political tools. Yeah, and it's a good thing that we know now for sure that churches are not political tools at all. Right. It's awesome. It's so good that we have a... So David J Smith has been fighting the New World Order for 30 years.

That seems like a pretty positive thing for Alex to say. Sure does. He seems to be pretty enthusiastic about him. And in this next clip, he even calls him an icon. As I told you, I plan to have all the real icons, the people who've been fighting for decades and decades against the New World Order on this show. They've all been on before, but many of them haven't been on in years. In fact, I just remembered again to tell, try to get Red Beckman on if his health allows having had him on in a few years. And he's a World War II vet.

He really is one of the great granddaddies of them all. So, you know, you got Red Beckman. Icon, David Smith and Red Beckman. Icons of this fight. Icons. We talked about Red Beckman in the past episodes. I don't want to get too deeply back into him. But in case anyone needs a reminder, Red Beckman was one of the guys who thinks the 16th Amendment is a fraud and he shouldn't have to pay taxes.

He also wrote a book called The Church Deceived, where he had some interesting thoughts about what the Jews went through in World War II. Quote, it was judgment, not holocaust. Oh boy. The true and almighty God used the evil Nazi government to perform judgment upon the evil anti-Christ religion of those who had crucified the Christ. So he's pretty into the holocaust. Man. Not thrilled with the Nazis, but into the holocaust, which kind of sounds like David J. Smith's. It does kind of sound a lot like that.

Red Beckman was a bigwig in early Christian identity circles, which strongly indicates that he was into the British-Israelism thing as a concept. This is further indicated by his contention that non-whites are mud people, which he says, which we clearly have heard David J. Smith say that black people because of a prank on Noah are servants for perpetuity. Right. When Alex says that you're an icon in a particular field, on par with Red Beckman, you are being called a racist and an anti-Semite. That is what Red Beckman's stock and trade is and complaining about taxes. Sure. I'll give him that. Great.

Racist and anti-Semite. So if you're compared to him, now Alex might be trying to present that as a positive in his world, but it is not. In his world, it is a positive. Maybe. So interestingly, Alex gets a call on this episode that is from one of our callers, one of the people that I've been paying attention to. Old Man Household? Nope. It's the racist old guy.

Oh, there it is. Steve in Chicago, you're on the air. Yes. I'd like to say a big congratulations to the West Virginians for beating back a marauding, grand-paging black beast. Now, I don't know if you saw this. Oh, yes. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Alex is frustrated. You can hear it? Oh, no. You can hear that his show at this point has a character that is okay to be like, damn it. Racist guy is calling in. And it's very strange because he's interviewing a preacher who prior to this has given sermons about how black people are slaves forever. So that's incongruous a little bit, but he needs the presentation publicly to be, all right, got this racist calling in. I've got to be not on board with him because when he says the rampaging black beast, what he's talking about is the primaries because we're in May 2008 at this point.

The primary season is still going. He's talking about pushing back against Obama. Yeah. And so Alex can't allow that to be on the show so overt. And he pushes back in it in this next clip, which is something you'd never hear nowadays. I think I want to take one second to say I'd like to have a celebratory victory dance with the VA West Virginia Mountain Mama. I appreciate your call, sir. I just can't hear the music you're playing.

We don't need to call people black based. That's crazy to hear Alex say that. Isn't it? It is. Especially considering we've heard this guy call in other periods of time and more recently and Alex's brand has completely changed to the point where he can't say things like, don't call people black beast. No, he has to be like. He wants it to be subtle at this point. His sigh isn't like, oh, this guy's saying something wrong.

It's like, oh, you're giving up the game. Stop it. Yeah. You're forcing me to explicitly denounce you when we could have had a good time. Yeah. Yeah. We could have had a great time being a fucking racist beneath the lines, but now you're fucking doing it. Come on, man.

Yeah. So we get David J. Smith coming in and it's not really that great of an interview. Alex is trying to get him to reinforce the ideas that he has about the clergy response teams, which is essentially the notion that Alex has that FEMA has placed infiltrators in churches in order to get them to go along with putting people in camps. Yeah, sure. It's nonsense. We've talked about that in a past episode and David J. Smith doesn't really have anything to say other than, yeah, you bet they're doing it. Okay. Isn't it crazy that they didn't need to put people in churches to have them be okay with putting people in camps?

Like people in churches are just automatically okay with people. They seem to be now. They seem to be really cool with it. So in this, in this clip here from David J. Smith, he talks about his British Israelism beliefs, which is weird to hear come up on Alex's show because I would have assumed Alex wouldn't want him to talk about this stuff. And we know that the Rothschilds and other international bankers financed all of this to get it started. So, so how do, how did the Hebrews tie into this then? Well, see, you've got two different, you've got two different items here. Number one, there were 12 tribes of Israel.

And the northern 10 tribes of Israel split away from the tribe of Judah and Benjamin because Solomon's son, Rehoboam, would not give them relief from taxation. So they rebelled and they became a separate nation. Sounding real, sounding real America-y. He's like rewriting the Bible to be like, and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson broke away from Rehoboam. You know what though? It's not too like wholly inaccurate because Rehoboam, part of the reason that he was such an awful leader was like he said he was going to raise more taxes. Right, right. In a cruel way.

But yeah, but that wasn't nearly the only slight that he made against the people, the tribes that led them to be like, fuck this. We are not. Taxation was a part of it, but it certainly wasn't the whole story. But it is interesting that you take that piece of it and you make it so central because you're hanging out with Brett Beckman and all of these anti-tax agitators. So that's the important piece. That's why those 10 tribes are like, fuck this noise. It's a rewriting. But you know, it's interesting that Alex is not pushing back on it.

No, not even a little bit. I think he's just like, well, I've introduced this guy as an icon. I have to make this as smooth as possible, but just not let him get too far into the Jews are the sons of Esau and we need to burn them. Pull it back, pull it back. Right. He has to walk that line and he manages to do it successfully. Although David Smith does say that Jews are the descendants of Turks, or at least the majority of them are. 92% of them actually.

I don't think he gives specifics on Alex's show, but Alex doesn't push back on that, which is very weird to me. But we have one last clip from this episode because their interview really isn't that great. And what I was looking for, I found in this clip. And so the rest of it doesn't really matter to me all that much. Love the different directions you take us in. We will a fortune there and never knowing what you'll bring up next. Going back to Pastor David J. Smith, we're going to give out his phone number and contact info, great books, great films, great research. I've learned so much from him since I woke up in the last 16, 17 years.

So we have the thing that I was looking for all along. When you go in and you look in to David J. Smith, you find so much heavy overlap. You find so much with the one exception being this British-Israelist beliefs that Alex doesn't profess. But there's so much overlap between the conception of the New World Order, the sources, the people, the narratives. All of it matches up so much, but it doesn't amount to that much. Then you find that they're on the same shortwave station and that his broadcast was, you know, he was operating out of the city 30 miles away from Alex's childhood home. And you're like, God damn it, there's so much here that seems very similar, but it's not really definitive. Now you listen to the two of them talk and Alex says that he's learned so much from him in the last 16 to 17 years since he's woken up and listened to David J. Smith's show.

Yeah, it does seem like all that he really did was listen to David Smith's show and go, maybe instead of, Jew, I say globalist, and I'll make a shit out of money. And maybe, you know, use some of the sources, go in some of the directions. It seems to me almost impossible to imagine that Alex wasn't heavily influenced by this guy. Oh, absolutely. But I also think that Alex is smart enough to know that, like, if I am to be open about a lot of this stuff, and where I'm getting these ideas from, people would be able to trace it down too easily. And then they'd be like, Oh, oh, dude. Yeah. Oh, my friend, you are getting your ideas from a white supremacist preacher, anti-Semite of the highest order, complete fucking weirdo.

And Alex doesn't want that. He wants to be seen as like these ideas coming from an intellectual place. Right. Somebody who's above identity politics and all that shit. And to be clear, I don't think that necessarily all of Alex's ideas come from David J. Smith. I think that would be really overstating it. Yeah. But I think that this is a piece of his inspiration.

I think it's a piece of his backstory that is unexamined. And it's something that you don't really realize until Alex phones it in for a week. And you're like, Hey, who's that preacher he's talking about? And then you dig in and you find this. That's very interesting to me. So before we get out of here, there's there's something else I want to address. And I think it's probably been in the background of everybody's head as we've been going through this. And that is how much Alex Jones talks about birthright.

And the fact that it's so central to David Smith's philosophy, theology, ideology. Alex constantly in the present day talks about Trump reasserting America's birthright in the world. And for a very long time, I just took that to mean like, Hey, whatever, you know, yeah, I took that to be along the same lines as his like, the 1776 to point out, right? Oh, whatever, you know, I took that to mean like America is a completely different country than anything that's ever existed before. And hooray. Yeah. But when I listened to hours and hours and hours of David J Smith, and he's constantly harping on the idea that Jacob got the

birthright from Esau and Esau has been trying to take it back by way of international communism, creating a world war, a new world order, a world government. And the specific wording of it is just too much for me to think is a coincidence. Yeah, that's fucked up. So I decided to go back and listen to some of Alex on inauguration day. And this clip stuck out to me. First off, let me just take a deep breath here and break down what just happened here today. Undoubtedly, this was Providence.

This was American destiny being re invoked. This was Trump declaring the birthright of this Republic that George Washington talked about and that Providence that started back in 1776. He invoked it. It was so historical and I knew they were going to invoke it. It just came into my mind. And I knew, even though he hasn't given the speech, and I haven't talked to Trump about this, I knew what was about to happen. And I said, I've got a tweet that they're going to re invoke the birthright. I could just feel it because that's really what this is.

And then the media was asking me, even the New York Times had seen the tweet. They said, did you talk to Trump? How did you know it was in the speech? Nobody else did. And I said, no, this is Americana. You understand? We're reading the same book. It's the same spirit.

So I will tell them when I talk about Trump, the spirit of America. Can you feel it rising? Trump feels it. He knows it. He loves it. And he wants to serve the people and empower the people to have America be incredibly wealthy again and empower the globe. So, you know, the context in which he's talking about the birthright being re invoked really sounds a lot more like David J. Smith's version of the birthright. Yeah.

I mean, fanciful ideas that I might have had of like vague notions of what he's talking about. Yeah. So I come to the end of this episode and it's a little bit unsatisfying still on one level because I don't feel, I feel on one side very satisfied with my conclusion. Yeah. And that is that Alex Jones, I mean, he admitted it. He's learned a ton from him over the last 16 years. Yeah. But he has been aware of and knows what David J. Smith stands for and sees him to be an icon in this world.

So that answers all of those questions. That investigation, open and shut. Complete. The question of whether or not Alex believes the birthright that he talks about all the fucking time is the same thing that David J. Smith believes it to be. Yeah. That to me is still an open question. Yeah. I would say that it feels like it is.

I'm going to have to go with, yeah, he's a white Christian imperialist. I don't know if he's a British Israelist, but he's definitely Anglo-Israelist. I apologize. Anglo-Israelist. That's the better way for Alex. So he doesn't have to say Britain. Right. Right.

Yeah. Maybe that's the only thing that he that kept him away from being a British imperialist is he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How dare you say British? I think the only thing that's keeping him away is a very keen awareness that if he's open about this stuff, then people will treat him appropriately. Yeah. They'll treat him as the, I mean, Christian identity person that he is. Yeah. We played that clip before from Inauguration Day.

Yeah. I remember that. And I remember thinking about, well, yeah, well, obviously years ago. But I remember thinking like birthright just being like a, oh, well, I was born in America and so on and so forth. But it's so much more charged now that I have this history of like understanding, oh, that also means that black people are slaves forever. It also could mean that. Exactly. Yeah.

I mean, what we've learned today obviously puts a little bit of a context onto that. Yeah. A possible context. But even, you know, separate from that, we have also heard him talk about birthright a ton since this Inauguration Day when we covered that. And the context in which he talked about is never made it clearer. And the only thing that suggests a slight clearing up of what he's talking about is looking at how that word is used by somebody who clearly he thinks is an icon and is someone who he's been aware of for over a decade and a half. At the point of 2008 when you let him on, you trace that back. It's like he's 15, 16 years old when he first came in contact with David J. Smith.

So I don't know. It's a little bit open as a question of how much exactly Alex is in line with him. But from my assessment and looking at Alex Jones, the way I have over the course of our podcast. I mean, I can't prove it, but boy, it feels like he uses terms like birthright in the way he does as code. I think so one thing that I keep thinking about in the context of today is how Superman helped stop the Nazi or stop the Ku Klux Klan. In the in the 50s on the radio, they had an investigation or some dude was infiltrated the KKK. He used Superman's radio serial to reveal how stupid the KKK was, you know, like the leader is the Grand Dragon and it turned them into more of a laughing stock that their secret rituals were actually just fucking stupid cosplay. And that did so much to stem the growth of the KKK.

And I'm thinking like, if we had that same situation today, it would not stem the growth of the KKK. People would be like, yeah, I love the Grand Dragons. That's awesome. Right. Enough people would co-opt it ironically. Yeah. And then before you know it, you take any kind of stigma away. It's bananas.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a bummer. Anyway, I don't know. I don't know how there's any like real solid conclusion in this other than we have stumbled upon a really fucked up inspiration for Alex Jones over the years, and it troubles me to a level I can barely express. Yeah. Fully. And, you know, the rest of the stuff in his shows aren't worth talking about. So now we're.

So again, March 10th. Sandy Hook investigation. Let's remind. This is the value of that. No, no, no, I know like this. This is crazy. You never be able to find any other way. Dan, you know, I, before I met you, I used to live a fun carefree life.

We should still do a little of that. Maybe just a little. Yeah. So before we get out of here, let's, let's give us more shout outs to people. Oh yeah. Absolutely. We're in an attempt to come closer to catching up, which we won't be able to do honestly unless we start giving shout outs to people as a group. Yeah.

I don't know if I want to do that because I feel like it might be disrespectful to all the people that we've. Yeah. We set such a precedent of individual sound drops being played and now it's just we've backed into a corner. Yeah. I don't know what we're going to do. But anyway, I'd like to say thank you to Simon. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thanks Simon. Next, someone who's coming in at the technocrat level. Thank you so much. Turing, you're now, wait, Turing. Like a Turing test. Like Alan Turing. Yes.

Gotcha. But not him because I think he's dead. He is dead. Oh, I can confirm that. We miss him. But we also thank you Turing. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk.

Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right. We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business.

We ain't making that money off that heroin. I'm so good. My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you, Turing. Thank you very much, Turing. Next, Lee. Thank you so much.

You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Lee. Next, Chris, you are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris. Next, I'd like to say thank you to Aaron.

You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Aaron. And finally, I'd like to say thank you to Greg, who donated on a little elevated level. Greg, you are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, Mike. That's fantastic.

Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right. We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good?

My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Greg. Thank you very much, Greg. Thank you all so much. We may have to end up, you know, doing group inductions as policy wonks and technocrats, but we will see moving forward. Either way, we appreciate it and we could not do this without you.

And we have made it to the end of what I would describe as episode that's tough. But we have made it through and we will be back on Wednesday for a modern day episode. We'll do, we'll check in on the modern day, but it's important to get through this because if only because now we're through into March. Yeah. We're not closer to judgment day. Well, the release of Terminator 2. Oh, also, I should point out, I believe on our last 2013 episode, Alex was teasing that

big news was coming up. Yes. He had investigators working on. Right. And we have not heard anything about it. There's like behind the scenes footage, hidden cameras. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That is completely dropped. Never, never spoken anything about that. Great. So there's an update. Good work, Alex. Anyway, we'll be back on Wednesday. But for now, we have a website. We do have a website.

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of some of David J. Smith's sermons, I don't think that baby is killed. You don't know that was 20 years ago. More than that. Yeah. You're right. It isn't until proven guilty. Fair enough. Maybe I don't think it's killed anybody, but someone who technically probably has is Alex

Jones. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.