Knowledge Fight - #330: Magic Coins And Sheep Nations

Episode Date: August 9, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a little break from looking at Alex Jones to take in a little episode of The Jim Bakker Show.  In this installment, the gents grapple with Jim Bakker interviewing a weirdo named Lance Wallnau who has coins to sell and a very familiar story about Trump to tell.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge everybody welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan I'm Jordan we're couple dudes like to sit around drink knowledge beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones indeed we are Dan stop singing even though I started it okay fine what's up what what was your first phone my first phone your first cellular phone oh cellular phone actually you could go with regular phone if you want did you have a rotary did you ever have a rotary I have a lot of memories of my parents having one of those turn wheel yeah yeah you put your finger in the hole and yeah although yeah those are terrible if you're a millennial who's under the age of 25 then you don't even know man it's insane to think that

that's what they decided on like that was the presentation of phone crazy to think back on that but yeah I remember that I don't know if I had I know I had my own phones at some point growing up but I don't remember any specifics like a Garfield phone or anything fun right my first cell phone I got really late yeah was it a decision like your family was like your parents were like I don't know if he's ready to have a phone that kind of thing I had no interest in it no okay okay I had moved out of my parents house and I didn't I just had a like a like a house phone and I had I really enjoyed at that point in my life the ability to not be contacted yeah like I mean this is all before social media right right I would glory days I would go out and like come home and there would be

messages and I really in well not always I wasn't that popular but like I enjoyed the aspect of like there like if I'm out and about I don't have like something that I won't be necessarily found yeah not that I'm on the run but right I have a freedom of not being contacted right and that went away very fast and I've just made peace with it now I really remember that feeling you know I I could remember it I don't I don't it's hard for me to remember exactly what I loved so much about it that has dulled with time right but I remember enjoying it when I was 18 19 so I got a cell phone I got a flip phone and then I had that forever yeah I didn't get an iPhone or any kind of smartphone until maybe four years ago it's pretty close to that you've been doing t9 all the way up

to 2015 I had a yeah I had a flip phone for a very long time damn razor I don't know I don't I don't remember that it was a sprint right something or other whatever they gave me for free like with a plan I had yeah so I had that and then I got a I got a smartphone just because I kind of gave in and the the flip phone was breaking and I went in they're like you're years overdue for an upgrade yeah do you just want an iPhone all right fine please sir yeah we've taken pity on you super an iPhone super Luddite with technology I am not super into the gadgets yeah not my buddy Nikki Gifts was super into iPhones pretty early I was I didn't judge him for his interest but I didn't have any of it I didn't have any interest did you have an iPod no no holy shit so you have you ever had an iPod I

don't think so maybe you maybe like a hand me down one from somebody else that I messed around with for or like an mp3 player of any kind you know yeah yeah I think I had somebody else's for a minute and then I didn't I was like you had a zoom you tossed it out the window I don't think I had a zoom I did when I was dry like a so this is how fucking stupid I am okay like I had a car in Missouri right and I didn't have any of the jacks to like plug a iPhone in that I didn't have to begin with yeah I get right right I have a CD player in the car no issues but I wanted to listen to stuff that I would like I was choosing myself right the radio by that point is like I'm much interested in this disaster I want to listen to podcasts yeah and so what I would do is I would

take my laptop put it in the passenger seat of my car no and drive around no no refuse refuse pass oh my god no thank you I don't even like having that image in my head it's very dumb very very dumb so this podcast where I don't know much about tech but I do know a lot about Alex Jones and I know way more about tech than you do but way less about I would fucking hope so if you knew less oh man what a disaster I'd be wearing a burlap sack yeah yeah which is in my future yeah probably probably probably so Jordan we're coming off here all the Wednesdays very long very smorgasbord of sadness yeah that was uh there was something that was a lot to to take in in order to do the episode and so today what I wanted to do is on it to go

off the reservation completely we're gonna do a non Alex Jones episode perfect you might call it a wacky Friday episode free for all Friday nice uh something along those lines but I just needed a palette cleanser and on top of that you are about to leave for a vacation you'll be gone for a week oh yeah but we've recorded some episodes in advance and then get some fill in folk uh for the uh the time that you'll be gone yeah it is a supremely supremely lucky that uh my partner's mother paid for a trip to South Africa sure that is that is something that I could never have even fucking imagined yeah that should be been never could afford it it'll be a great time and I look forward to you coming back and being like Tommy Robinson is right

I will actually be restarting Rhodesia while I'm there of course of course um so uh I hope you have a great trip but I didn't want to send you off with uh an episode that was too uh like if we did another present day Alex episode it would be just uh oh yeah no I'd be out the window no thank you yeah I'd be stowing away on that plane to South Africa and not coming back I got a big luggage for you um so Jordan today is going to be interesting okay I don't want to get in I don't want to spoil too much ahead of time so uh let's let's do I recommend that what we should do is we should say thank you to some people who are signing up signing up and supporting the show good deal um so first I'd like to say thank you to Nick you're now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk

thank you Nick thanks Nick next Katie thank you so much you are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you Katie she donated to the show and then you know what else she did what barred the door oh oh next kit thank you so much you are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you kit uh next I'm gonna fucking not be able to pronounce this name I think I think it's hitty uh h-i-d-d-e hitty sure hide any of the there's there's a million pronunciations for this sure that might be and I apologize that I do not know what the correct pronunciation is but I appreciate you all the same you're now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you thank you hitty then finally I'd like to say thank you to some people who donated on an elevated level

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not gonna tease any or whatever I'm gonna not say what this episode is for a long time people have been asking that we get back into Jim Baker oh no I decided what we and we've tried yes people have the there have been a lot of recommendations like we need more Jim Baker up in here yeah yeah and we've tried to satisfy that but a lot of Jim Baker stuff is so one note it's so the same and we've actually uh spoiler alert tried to record an episode that we in the middle of it were like this is not an episode yeah yeah uh Jim Baker had a uh episode that he did that was all a banquet with his family yes out of his food buckets I remember and it was just like oh my god look at this great pancake it was insane it was insane yeah it's it's always fun 99% of the time

if we take a day off of the episode we recorded the episode don't worry not 99% of the time but sometimes yeah I think that was probably one of them because we like the spectacle of it and the idea that he's doing an entire episode which is me and my family eat out of buckets conceptually hilarious amazing yes in practice boring as shit a disaster so boring and what I think like maybe 20 minutes in we were doing it we realized like what are we just gonna say this is stupid over every time yeah yeah this is turkey that came from a bucket ha ha ha ha and it's 40 more times the best parody of that is go watch it yourself it's it's absurd so that kind of put a bad taste in my mouth for Jim Baker uh much like people who eat his buckets do nice but uh so I was going through

looking at his episodes that his recent episodes and I was like I was almost I almost fell for the siren song again because there was a three part episode that is the clearing out the warehouse no three full episodes of him going through his warehouse and being like well we got this bucket on sale damn it I was so close to doing it again but I knew that if we did we would end up in the exact same place of course we would be 20 minutes in and being like what are we doing you can't put a hat on a hat this is absurd yeah so I decided I was gonna I was gonna in a rare instance of letting other media coverage direct me I decided to cover an episode that actually got a bit of press attention gotcha this is something that like right wing watch made fun of a little bit

and it's the it's an episode where Jim Baker invites a guy named Lance Wallnow on the show really sure and this guy is selling a gold coin that can connect you in prayer to each other and also Donald Trump god damn it I I really love these people that is what you know the the media covered and was making fun of and you know there's like a minute long clip of him trying to sell this coin I was like okay you guys are talking about that I want to see what else happened on that episode yeah that may have been the forest that was missed for the trees right of course so I decided to check in on that and I figured that that's if we're doing a Jim Baker episode this is as good as I can do for you I could take somebody else something somebody else covered and

be like what else is going on here so that's what we're gonna do what can we add that specifically about us well I think that we can specifically add and I think there's there is some stuff yeah I think that there's a lot of more fucked up things than a guy selling a magic coin on this episode well the most fucked up thing is it's true it is it is actually true so here is the first clip where we get our Dancing Queen introductory music god damn it Tammy Sue Baker giving us the the voiceover god damn it and then we get to meet Lance Wallnow hello and welcome to the Jim Baker show coming to you from the village of Morningside snuggled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains today is day two with our special guest

he's the director of the Lance learning group and a best-selling author welcome Dr. Lance Wallnow our co-host today is Manda de la Vega I'm Tammy Sue Baker and now please give a warm welcome to my parents and the host of the Jim Baker show Jim and Lori Baker welcome great to have you here on Gray Street and our special guest today Lance Wallnall is back with us day two wow you are on the cutting edge when did God first call you to be a voice for the church and for really electing the right officers I mean the right the right presidents the right senators are at Cushman so real quick we will get to his answer but right out of the gate Jim Baker's first question is like when did you get into theocratic politics yeah I know

he didn't even there was no like there was nothing the piano was still kind of going give me some give me like in the parallel of our I could have used a little foreplay you know what I'm saying just diving in with like when did you decide to use religion as a scam to guide politics towards conservative yeah yeah yeah like whoa all right when did God call you to ruin his earth real blunt I I personally think that it was when I started hearing friends of mine like Rick Joiner and you talking about where America was at because like so many Christians I just wanted to preach spiritual kingdom optimistic messages and focus on revival but I heard something in your voice and the and the way in which you had grounded it in real concern it was a cat's

then I started reading Danish to Susan and other people and I said oh my god I myself am part of the problem because as a as a as a preacher as somebody who had had an audience I was ignoring what was happening in the controversies of my country in the world in order to focus on solutions that are Christ centered so I would I would say that solutions that are Christ centered is what your what church is about that should be what you're focusing on no idea what you're talking about I I believe that what he's actually saying in that clip there beyond the I started reading to Nash to Susa which is always the most terrifying thing yeah what he's saying is I was really afraid of losing 501c3 status but then I saw what you and

like Rick Joiner were doing I was like hey it's Thunderdome yeah I could do whatever I want there's no there's no bottom yeah there's no floor gives us yeah I do love I do love the brilliance of the buttering up Baker strategy butter Baker it was because of you Jim Baker but that there might be some truth to that Jim Baker is a legend in this hustle really well yeah no he is a legend in the hustle you're right I thought we were actually talking about religion well that's religion to some yeah that's true you know that's the that's the thing that's really difficult about something like this is like a lot of people who are taking in the message hmm probably are doing so in like some good faith yeah or at least without some sort of like they they aren't taking it in on

the terms of it being a con right you know like they aren't agreeing to like hey I want to get conned by this guy right there's a the evilness of it is specifically from the people disseminating right now the the consequences which are negative are precipitated a lot of the times why the people who believe the stuff yeah but they aren't necessarily I don't I don't believe all of them at least are signing up specifically for the scam yeah no I think there's a definite lack of guile I suppose would be the way to put it maybe that might be idealistic of us to think I'm not sure yeah but the if but this is just proof that if there was a god these people would be in jail forever I did very little research into this episode because who gives a shit absolutely

but I did want to find out a little bit about who Lance Walnow is because no one no one lives in his nose or the fuck this guy is absolutely not so he's a bit of a lunatic which makes sense seeing that he's a guest here on the Jim Baker show of course Walnow is a board member for the oak initiative group listed by the council on American Islamic relations as quote part of the islamophobic network in America really hoping they were planting trees to combat climate change there is a different oak at work okay initiative yeah like a royal oak initiative is there I did find some tree groups yeah okay good into this good um in 2011 the oak initiative published a book called Islam versus the united states which purported to expose the quote all

conquering character of many of the followers of Islam they were to routinely disseminate material that seeks to invalidate the idea that a mosque is a form of a church and argue that quote even in the watered down versions it's clear that this religion promotes the destruction or enslavement of all who do not adhere to it quote watered down right as though that's a thing right what it's like it's a stiff tea yeah what is that watered down Islam come on guys you guys are pathetic someone else who sits on the board of the oak initiative is alex jones his buddy lieutenant general william boykin of course noted islamophob of the highest order I pause there because I thought you were going to do your boy good no no I'm past it I've grown up I'm still stuck on wall now all now

so the oak initiative is what his name is wall now it's not wall nuts and then it's driving me insane yep you're gonna have to put those on the back burner because there might be other things than sort of similarities to legumes that will come up it's like a bad slant rhyme so boykin made a video ah damn it you're back you tricked me so boykin made a video for the oak initiative in 2010 saying that Islam is not a religion and should not be protected by the first amendment a belief he based on his own determination that it was central to islamic belief that muslims had to destroy the united states constitution in order to bring in sharia law Muhammad did say that that was one of Muhammad's big things he was like eventually there's gonna

be a whole country we're gonna need to take down its constitution that's what we gotta do the the oak initiative is a major portion or portion major player in the world of islamophobia these narratives being perpetuated and disseminated into right wing talking points and conversation but it's not only muslims that they don't like the oak initiative is also fiercely anti-lgbtq and in 2015 they paid to erect billboards in michigan that depicted a gay man with a rainbow painted on his face accompanied by the text not born this way and quote homosexuality is a behavior and not a civil right this is a run-of-the-mill bigot organization seeking to do whatever it takes to support and maintain the status quo in this country of straight white male christian

supremacy so of course you'd not be surprised to learn that they're super into trump and basically think he's the messiah absolutely anyway that's about all you really need to know about lance wall now he's a boarder of that a board member of that trash organization right so you know he's an evil con man in the long succession of evil con men televangelist kind of guys sure he's in that world he's appearing on another grifter's religious scam program so you could get you know but i don't want to be one of these guys who goes ad hominem oh no of course we got to judge them by what they say so now we do now we know a little bit about who he is let's put that aside and let the man speak his piece so in this next clip we find out when lance got politically

involved apparently it was after hearing jim baker and reading dinesh jesuza but that doesn't give us specifics right so the moment that i got called by accident up to the trump meeting and i came out of that and uh and i walked i wasn't supposed to be there was like kenneth copeland was there and paul white and i actually was so i got so insecure i went up to the dormant so real quick uh that he said paul white came and kenneth copeland but paul white came when he said that that that that's in the original of the audio yeah like paul i were like i think he might have forgotten her name i'm not sure but i think he might have yeah stammered his way through her name yeah gotcha and i said am i on that list because i thought there was a mistake made yeah

everyone had a big ministry of something and the guy says yeah you're on the list i put you on the list i said who are you he said i'm the pr agent i heard you in a little meeting down there in florida and i made a decision right then if i could get you in front of trump you're going so i thought oh and so i'm in the meeting in that big board room and trump's talking and there's you know jesson franklin and the kenneth copeland and i'm being quiet and and actually the customer and i'm thinking man what am i this surreal what am i doing here and all of a sudden i get a kick under the chair and that pr agent says you better say something and so he forced me oh my man to open my mouth and start talking because i was just gonna be humble and just watch so i i spoke and after

i spoke i got invited to another meeting and i was just speaking because i didn't want to embarrass myself in front of the guy that kicked my chair the uh but all i knew was donald trump is a wrecking ball of the spirit of political correctness i heard the lord say that some people might have thought that clip was a little long but it needed to reach its conclusion oh boy so he gets invited to a trump meeting that makes him politically motivated i suppose which is sure great because that you know means on some level these these meetings are as much recruitment as they are absolutely yeah yeah let's let's get these preachers on board let's let's get them on our let's get all these meme makers galvanized and and on yeah so and there's a there's a strategy

to all this i don't believe that god said uh that uh trump was a wrecking ball to political correctness i don't know why god would say that i don't know if god is he not busy god concerned with political correctness is there is there a first amendment in the bible i think there might be i know there's one in heaven you get to call people uh all kinds of racial epithets in heaven well you have to yeah of course because if not you don't have full free will right and you gotta have that is really fucked up that i'd never thought about but their conception of heaven must include oh absolutely yeah it has to they get to throw the n word around all they want in heaven now i don't want to but i want to be able to yes yeah yeah yeah should i lose my job in heaven

just because i called someone an f no they honestly i believe that in their heaven neighborhood if a black person moves in they all get to leave or whatever and go somewhere else they're insane these people are so stupid the i never thought about that but that is pretty weird so trump is a wrecking ball to all that um and uh has his miley cyrus sure she came in like one while he was there at this meeting one of these meetings it's unspec- it's unspecific but i think it's that first one that he accidentally went to there was a what he describes as a black tv channel but it's not bet oh boy and they were doing some footage they're shooting some footage or something it's the details on this are sketchy right right i'm also not sure that this is true it might be

true yeah if it's true i don't care but then also jim and lori love this story they think this is just the best story unreal and i'm there and it was like one of the um it was one tv program but it had like a whole african-american it wasn't bet but it was kind of like they were bringing all the pastors up that were that were african-american they're all dressed really well and then they see me standing along the side i was invited and they said live until they said oh ladies and gentlemen look what we have over here it's donald trump's number two man michael collin and they brought me over oh come on over and i'm in front of that for this audience and i'm staring at thinking what do i do and i hear me the microphones say well uh mr collin why don't you say something

and i tried to clear my throat and i said i'm not michael collin and it's like i had like a seinfeld moment it was so embarrassing i said uh i said donald trump is a wrecking ball to the spirit of political correctness thank you i get the microphone back and i see great and i look at them all going wrecking ball wreck next thing you know everywhere you go wrecking ball wrecking ball wrecking ball and i realized i wasn't may not have been involved i never maybe i don't know how i got in i don't know how i got on oh but at that moment i thought i i guess this is what i'm supposed to do so a supernatural problem has to be has to be has to be so he gotta catch phrase and now he's famous great good work dude yeah oh man so i guess maybe this

happened and then people maybe someone wrote an article that crazy weirdo says trump is a wrecking ball um i don't know i don't there is a couple other instances of him taking credit for starting terms yeah so i think that might just be a thing of his yeah i'm not positive that i'm going to give him credit for any of them um i think people might have already been saying wrecking ball type language right and then that's why it came to his mind in this highly stressful situation where people think he's michael collin and he's being i'm not michael collin say something say so and then what your subconscious pulls up is something you've already heard or maybe his daughter is a big miley cyrus fan yeah yeah that might be any of these things are possible it sounds borderline

back to the future marty mcfly playing uh uh uh johnny be good yeah yeah johnny be good but like no no white people did invent rock and roll music don't even worry about it like that kind of that kind of shit bananas so uh this episode is largely contingent on uh lance wall now and jim baker having a conversation about how trump is here because of god and that god's divine inspiration thanks to the actions of the church have brought trump into office to save the church from the scourges of pc culture and the socialists and all the other uh things that they just don't want to say out loud right right all the racial epithets they can't wait to say in heaven absolutely yeah so that being really what this whole interview is about it's really weird to hear him say this

about the democrats the democratic party and we need to know this has been taken over it's not the democratic party of your mama's day like my mom could be a kennedy democrat and a reagan republican and and and all in the same kitchen table right guess what brings them together you love ronald reagan it's kind of like they're right but now ideologically the left has a movement within it that has scot into the democratic party to seize powers so what you've got is the radical new element that is taking over the party and pulling it in their direction that's where the socialism comes from so what you've got is they're throwing jump they're throwing biden out there saying let's get somebody who represents the the normal democrat because the left in their own party is

taking over but he's not going to be able to handle it he probably won't he probably won't it's so insane for them to be doing this weird theocratic propaganda nonsense like the the god brought us trump that show and then be like you know what the democrats have been taken over by crazies what their party has been brought they've it's been pulled to the extreme side did he not he didn't realize what he was explaining right no i didn't realize that the civil rights movement is why you could be a kennedy democrat and a reagan republican i i think he didn't he didn't quite get that he was just explaining that it's all about race i think he might have been aware of that on a subconscious level perhaps it's it's definitely it's it's just because the left has gone

too far it's not that a kennedy democrat may have changed after the civil rights movement and the republican party may have gotten more extreme when we elected a black president forcing everybody to drift a hard right it it definitely has nothing to do with race dad it's definitely not two seminal moments it doesn't feel like it is no because actually what's going on is the justice democrats that's what it is have come around that's what it is so the justice democrats what they're doing is being sneaky all right all right all right all right what are we doing right i don't even know if i am one what are we doing no the justice democrats are that organization that like ran aoc oh okay they're they're the good people the people who adhere to jesus's beliefs

they um i've read some interviews with the people who are involved with it and like getting it going their whole idea was to create a centralized fundraising type of thing so they could run candidates that wouldn't have to worry about going out and doing fundraisers like taking care of a lot of that so the politicians could be politicians right because you can't have publicly funded elections they were trying to do the second best thing uh or whatever i would say something along those yeah and and maybe that's woefully idealistic of us to imagine that any human could actually follow through with that well right right um but whatever that plan is that's not sneaky uh that's just another strategy that's totally legal um but sneaky strategies these these uh

these folks over on the jim baker show they got other ideas about what they're up to and it's sneaky you were telling me earlier about uh the american idol election for presidents in other words you could all try out for congress do you guys understand i don't tell the people about that yes you've you've done the i can confirm it with him because i don't tell them what exactly how this is done it's fascinating pretty much what they're doing is casting congresswoman congressman in a way that if you were out to go get a movie role so there's a new justice democrat party that trying to get rid of the old democratic party by casting new people so as long as you're an activist in your community if you if you have the charm you're the candidate they're going to be

get behind with right so it's a new justice democrat party that is pumping a lot of money using social media to get to your grandkids get to people in my age it's a new america it's a new america i really i don't think he i think he thinks that he said something bad but i mean say anything bad no because all he's describing is like all right there's an organization that helps support activists who are charismatic and electable get elected yeah isn't that what all this is i'm pretty sure that's what it is yeah how is this different than like regular why shouldn't you then be mad about like giant corporations giving donations to no no no no no no no no because tech crews isn't an activist exactly these are these are middle center right or center left

candidates and i just want everybody to come to the middle and i'm sure that giant corporations really are pushing those you know center centrist what he's pointing the finger at in accusing the justice democrats of is not anything weird no but he's framing it in such a way as like they got big money and they're using social media to get your grandkids yeah yeah yeah fuck off they're they're definitely you know i they're doing all this on their own too they're not hiring some sort of shady third party that has a fucking history of committing crimes it's weird yeah they're evil so uh this whole idea of they're they're casting people uh spins out of control in this next clip once uh lance picks up the narrative and starts running with it i think

there's some pretty racist framing going on so far this is all racist this is all the most racist imagine this you're your top three most controversial freshman congress women yeah are actually all coming through come on hit it casting say the machine that knows how to get support behind you if you can fit the demographic so this is how this is how fascinating this moment in history is that um real quick he's saying that uh you know these these three non-white congress women are from central casting because they fit the demographics because they're non-white right he's saying that the only reason that they could possibly be elected is because they are non-white and justice democrats are sneaky exactly you can literally create a then andrew

brightbart said this he said oh oh what takes downstream from culture which means this acting at your your your hollywood entertainment your um academia your media it sets the stage for what people want young people want then you have to go find the empty suit that you could fill with a candidate who will do what you want them to do to match what the market wants the media outlets are all working with this strategy so as to create in a sense you don't think there's other congress people with more experience and more intelligent things to say they're not talking to them huh huh what what huh huh hold on one second what it's really weird that intelligence and experience are so important to him when he thinks trump came from god right i don't

well god i mean god trump's experience dad it's really clear what's behind this oh yeah the the thing that this is the narrative also that they love to pull that like their empty suits thing yeah every fucking congress person is a team of people it's not like it's all alexandria ocasio-cortez's ideas she's got tons of people who are revising shit over and over as does every congressman everyone yeah it's uh yeah it's that uh solitary the big man yeah the great man theory of history the great man theory of the present yeah is uh yeah they're so beholden to that um and it's uh it's i think it's to their detriment oh absolutely because it really doesn't i it well i mean it's just dumb yeah i think it's something up with that even then how dare you

you idiot the whole fucking point is they're a representative they represent a larger group of people right by definition well you can't have because all elections are stolen when democrats went that's a fair point never mind so pass right moving on lightning round over i mean you get away like you get you get off the hook for all that like yeah okay if this person was so terrible then people would vote them out by you know just like well no it's impossible because all elections are rigged three million illegal immigrants voted and then we're just trapped now there's no way to go so uh you know aoc uh tulib uh omar empty suits press lay empty empty empty suits um but uh he uh you know they're empty suits they're stupid the media just talks to them because they're

of course central casting course now trump by you know you know in contrast is a genius he's a communications genius i really want to hear the justification for this when you do hear it it's going to be disappointing no can trump be reelected that's the amazing thing donald trump can be reelected in spite of the fact that all the machinery is being worked against him to absolutely right on down to the social media purging that's happening yeah uh but uh he's a smart man so what has he been doing what has brad parskow has been doing and is uh on his team they've been collecting the data of everyone they want to talk to so that regardless of what social media gets shut down they're prepared to talk to their 50 60 70 million people directly the

president's got plans to stay in communication he's really he's a communication genius he's a genius because he has an email list yeah he's got an email list was this was this was this brought to us by mail type yeah the the innovative mind of donald trump brings you an email list something that every shitty bar comedy show strives to create uh oh it's an advertising tool if only what you've been involved some that don't use email list oh i have clunky i've run them yeah um so yeah i mean like that's not good uh he's a genius because he uses like one of the most elementary tools uh of the internet yeah see that's how you bypass social media you get an email address dan that's the whole trick i really still doesn't work though because like alex has been kicked off mail champ yeah so

like those companies can still give you the boot well then they just start having a single people send out an email every day they'll just have big like a phone tree yeah absolutely yep that's probably it that sounds right so uh forward forward forward forward forward forward forward forward to my grandma uh this next clip involves uh this uh this gent his name is he boys me so much that i don't remember his name i can't wait lance um so he uh is gonna make the argument that uh that the church got trump elected and based on the levels of evangelical support that make no sense i would argue 100 he is right but i don't know well that and the cheating it's uh you know all the constituent parts that voted for trump get to say that they were the ones right who gave

him the election of course which is kind of part of the mythology that keeps people on board because it's like well we were the ones who made this happen right um it's sort of the loss uh sunk cost kind of fallacy like we we did all this we can't give up now right um so there's that then after he makes that argument he said he explains why trump is good and he says something that like it knocked me out of my chair okay but mic down for this all right just make sure you catch this okay the church doesn't understand what's happening and yet we were the decisive factor that got donald trump in donald trump has been the greatest gift we have had in terms of a resistance against the the devil and a promoter of a world order of stability and economic prosperity oh wait wait hold on hold on

hold on hold on hold on hold on excuse me sir uh hands hands uh hey buddy uh we have a couple questions for you uh would you say that this new world this world order is new would you you would say it's a is it the old world order it's a theocratic regime that controls the earth are you trying to take us back to the dark ages or are you trying to set up a new world order what is the yeah which one is this yeah do you want the dark pope or the good pope what do you want what do we what are we doing what are we doing here for somebody who's existing in this space i cannot believe he would like choose like trump is really great because he's establishing a world order of prosperity yep yep he's doing it don't do that oh man that's what you're gonna be fine that's what

you've been yelling about george hw bush about for 30 years yeah but he's he's because he used those words you dicks you fucking dicks they're cheaters it's unfair yeah it's so unfair yeah yeah it is oh man wall now lance wall now wall not hey now well wall now you're an all-star so uh have you ever been to wall drug now there we go uh so in this next clip uh lance discusses uh uh sort of frity and slip that trump had that i find disturbing but he he thinks he's actually a baker and lori baker i think it's hilarious and so every he's like a businessman remember one time he had like a Freudian slip he said i want to make my company great again i don't think he knows what he said he meant my country but but he's treating it like a CEO

getting the business sorted out so you know it's not funny um because CEOs own companies CEOs are like it's uh it should the mentality should be very different so the Freudian slip of this is my company yeah i think it's even fucked up to look at running a country like a business oh it's insane that that on its own is something that is unhealthy unproductive to public works ridiculous and exploitative yes absolutely but then my company yeah holy here's the here's the worst part uh he understands what Freudian slip means right it he said he said Freudian slip he didn't say slip of the tongue right slip of the tongue would be fine oh he's just used to saying my company instead he said Freudian slip which means that he believes

trump literally meant to say uh or thinks that he's running his company right and he meant to say country so he's all on board with trump running it like it's his company yep what a fucking monster i guess that means we could be fired uh well in a very literal sense yeah so earlier in the episode i said that uh and i have been saying and i will continue to say that uh lance lance is making the argument that trump is a gift from god he is divine intervention and i haven't really earned that yet uh so we will in this next clip we've had a a christian culture that has been prophesying and and seeking god for revival i've been in this ministry for 40 years well it's been the intercessors that have kicked in in the

last years how many of you have been feeling a burden of prayer and it's been like a prayer but fasting the intercessors kicked in a divine intervention the form of a wrecking ball that would be donald trump for the sake of god's people so get that get that catchphrase in there right right right came in like a wrecking ball etc uh huh so it's a divine intervention for the church right so um you know that's one catchphrase but uh what now in this next clip they're gonna start trying to sell his products and we find out another catchphrase that uh we've definitely heard alex uses a lot that this do you see now no it's not that one see how that works see how that works so uh lance is claiming to have come up with this one as well and then

this really becomes your prophetic intercessory prayer guide because i've i've listed the 11 predictions regarding trump this before he was elected regarding who he would be what he would do right on down to bring about the accomplice naming the fact that the media would enter a period called trump derangement i was the one who coined the word that was really that was me before he was really right really yeah oh boy so he coined trump derangement syndrome which is something that alex and paul joseph watson screamed about all the time it's a it's hot fire all over the uh the right wing media do you know it's crazy what's that i was the one who actually invented lock her up and i'm really regret that i really regret that that was your bumper sticker that alex saw my bumper

hillary for prison yeah yeah yeah but it was just for rosaan like it was a bummer fair enough so this uh this is uh one of the many connections we have with alex uh throughout this guy's belief you know you have uh uh trump is divinely inspired alex believes that right he says that right trump's arrangement syndrome what else do we got cool with dinesh jesuza get her done uh huh yeah so we're gonna see more of that but before we get to that he's got to sell so in that clip he was selling the prayer guide that he's he's got right that's part of the package there's a bundle man prayer guide 90 minute lecture on dvd gold coin now we're gonna learn a little bit more about this gold coin oh boy oh boy and uh it starts bad it starts i see it gets better from there nope okay

i didn't say that i said it starts bad this coin now 24 karat gold plated yes is after the san hedron sent me a silver coin i said i know the president he wants gold so we had to be gold right not silver so i went and we put the uh 24 karat gold plated so that the silver so that we have the trump syris image and is there 45 in the back the reason i wanted to do this is because i was saying we have to have a point of contact we would have prayer calls which we're gonna have to do again with 50 000 people yes and uh and what we need is a point of contact to be praying that the spirit of god will continue to put uh donald trump in a position where the wrecking ball is going to expose the infrastructure of the institutions that are corrupted and compromised that he's gonna hit them

as he's been doing and that every weapon formed against him will boomerang back and expose the enemy so there's a couple things that are real fucked up there i mean the idea that he had like a silver coin he's like now trump wants gold yeah and he's not something cool with that and and jim baker is laughing about that story yeah which which like i think i i just feel like there's a vanity to that there's a something that is pretty which jesus was super super cool with jesus loved vanity well i remember there was that story of in the bible is just gonna be two one to one honestly the time when um uh bartholomew came and brought him a silver coin he slapped it out of his hand right i get gold that was a really interesting story man i want to i want to know

because here's a jim baker's laugh right there is such a fuck you yeah even to like that's a fuck you to his audience that's a fuck you to the people who believe in him that might as well be him like spitting in their face and going you'll still love me you idiot yeah you dumb fuck i'm telling you that god brought about this president who demands gold yeah in the line with the teachings of christ it's insane amazing that he can do that so brazenly yeah it's really it like a testament to how like once you get people on board with x framework you can make that framework you can mold it however you want yeah like as long as you get people on board ostensibly for these like a christian principle you can go against that whenever you want yep it's not

people are not going to hold your feet to the fire it is astonishing it is absolutely astonishing how they how they have twisted that and then it's and it's the same thing with the way alex joneson all that shit like the bombastic dumb ass nature of it attracts such a huge audience and i don't understand why well that's it's a there's another similarity to there with the like in the past he got everyone on board with this anti tyranny anti new world order i can specifically anti rex 84 right in the camp uh the posse comatata stuff and then as you go along you can change anything you want um because what's behind it isn't what is in front right like what you're presenting isn't what you're actually operating on jim baker wants your goddamn money and that's it yeah and that he found

that religion is a really good way to get people's money he's not alone and now trump is working real well for him in terms of the grift yeah that he's on so if something about trump directly contradicts something about religion you're just gonna you're gonna be able to make it work yeah yeah yeah god because he's god's messenger you don't have to worry about what god ever said look the bible yes is 100 percent true and we should follow whatever christ says but but but but trump is a new dude no big deal and then at the same token uh you have uh alex who like what what he was about wasn't anti tyranny or anything like that it was white identity uh that was behind everything that he he packaged it in such a way yeah uh as to be very attractive and

anti uh tyranny anti new world order and then as you know someone comes around man it's amazing yep it's and he even pulls the sanhedrin into it and it's he's like it's like a joke but god he's every single one of the people in that audience is getting peed on right now every single one of them for what it's worth they all look like retirees like they're all pretty old yeah like when he asked if anybody's fasting it was just like slow hands raised i feel bad i don't want to make fun of the elderly but like the audience was it made me feel even more sad yeah anyway yeah he's tricking old people too if you want to know why you shouldn't listen to this guy this lance just listen to him i think we'll see why it's pretty

obvious but you know he this this is a point that i don't think i've made clearly enough this is a religious show this is a jim bakers evangelical hour i thought it was an info bucket martial i mean it is behind the scenes but it's you know it's supposed to be a show about christianity right uh religiously focused program and all of this has been politically politics yeah i haven't i haven't heard them quote scripture or or even like hey well there is a scripture on the back of a coin oh okay well then never mind magic coin that helps you connect with other people praying at the same time as you that's just enough jesus for me dan fair enough so when when lance wall now comes in here and he's talking all this shit about politics it's important to also take other

context clues from things he's saying to see if you should listen to him and this one strikes me is like uh oh oh okay i'm not gonna listen to you anymore till donald trump came around i really didn't have a civics lesson in my head i didn't know the difference between the doj the fbi to see you hey i knew they were all part of government stuff i've got an education since he's been in office right yeah we all because for the first time i'm looking at media media you know i watch christian television they got secular then i'm realizing every inch of ground that we have an occupied is being occupied and weaponized to destroy us so what he's saying is that i didn't know anything about civics until trump came in and then all of this propaganda that is so anti

deep state type stuff came around and i learned so much yeah you didn't learn shit yeah i would strongly argue that you still do not know anything about the doj the fbi the cia and any number of other things do you know what's at play here it's the the the exact consequence of trump being elected as played out by conservative right wing media yeah they are so uh only effective as antagonists they are only effective in terms of attacking and being under threat right so as long as there's a democrat in office or there is the presumption of democratic control of of congress or the presidency then they can attack and they can make all the money they want right as soon as congress and the presidency is in the hands of the republicans they cannot function anymore and therefore have to

create an entirely new bigger bad guy right it's the exact same problem that heroes had after season one like you got siler and he's like completely overpowered what are you gonna do you got to create some sort of other gigantic bad guy that mysteriously has been there all along you just didn't know about yep it's complete bullshit this is the strategy that the right wing media needs to use and this is what lance wall now has learned right now i have a second layer to this what's that makes this bullshit like he is one of the board members of the oak institute i do not believe that before trump got in he didn't have any understanding of some kind of civics don't even worry about it it's about planting trees it's about planting trees he's trying to pretend that he

hasn't been involved in like this agitating islamophobic anti-lgbtq world previously to donald trump he's oh yeah this is this is what he's about it's just presenting it this way probably because he knows a lot of other people didn't know shit about civics before and he's validating that in them yeah i do think this is a manipulative strategy see i'm just like you idiots out there i didn't know what the doj was at worst it's a manipulative strategy at best it's evidence you shouldn't listen to him because he's just been suckling off the teeth of right wing propaganda and pretending that's learning yeah so it's one of the two either way get the fuck out yeah absolutely you suck absolutely yeah so this

next up we get a little bit of an indication of a similarity with alex but just basically repeating one of alex's big narratives on the jim baker show we are we are literally one market adjustment without trump an office of a collapse of our entire economic system so we had a financial crisis if Trump wasn't in there protecting us everything would fall the part the globalists so i've been but he's not calling him globalist or anything man yeah that boy i really really really want to know what bible these guys think like one market adjustment is what you're talking about in what you're quote unquote calling a church yeah it's pretty crazy unreal yeah unreal what right and and the lord sayeth unto thee you better protect your 401k and make sure that you

start contributing at the at an early age that way the compound interest will make sure that you get what the fuck are you guys doing yeah it's it's pretty strange it's almost like you know if Jesus were around he would flip over jim baker's desk god if jesus were around these dudes would be smitten these dudes would be smited smited smote smote smote is it smote i think it is so uh in this uh we you know uh obviously there's there's apocalyptic uh feelings on the rise of course uh even though they're winning or whatever yes but the uh the anti christ is coming and also that means that there's got to be a false prophet sure right i mean they work together hand in hand well it turns out lance has done some thinking about it and it seems like well i'll let him explain okay it may not be

a person okay i did one broadcast rise said we know that the anti christ spirit is in the earth and we could see that yes he is but the anti christ has to work with the false prophet i no longer think the false prophet is originating as a person heading up a religion i think the false prophets already there i think the false prophet is a world ruler just like if you see perversion it's a world ruler it's the same spirit in thailand and bangkok and the sex slave industry as it is and what are we doing yeah a world ruler what is the spirit called the false prophet and it's operating through false media right now wow the false prophet is in the media preparing the way for the anti christ spirit which is a secular counterfeit angel of light that's going to deliver you that sounds a lot

like alex wow the media is the false prophet that is bananas yeah the the media is the false prophet that will bring about the anti christ and herald the coming of the anti christ so don't listen to the media they're just gonna feed you to the anti christ that's don't listen to anything that's critical of us or our worldview or explain to you that we are fucking scamming you and misrepresenting everything unreal don't do that don't listen to them they're fucking trying to bring about the end of the world and the destruction of the church i love that he's living that they always live in like a harry potter like everything is interpreted and it turns out to be like oh what we missed was when they said false prophet we thought he met one person but it actually is all

the media it's a spirit that infests the media yeah like what the fuck are you talking about out of here also with this fucking what warmed up protocols of the elders a zion bullshit it's it it logically it follows that if careful god is like there's coming to be a false prophet right and he's gonna convince like everybody right that if you're like everybody wouldn't the guy you think is not the false prophet be the false prophet so it i don't i don't i don't know if i understand exactly what you're saying i mean it makes more sense for trump to be the false prophet in their worldview because no he's the one that they think isn't no no no because they're the cool smart people who don't get fooled by the false prophet yeah but see they aren't well and they there aren't

but they're like it's not like there's a ton in the bible either wow in the bible there's like two dudes well they are those two dudes but there's all of them dude if the if the fucking false prophet can be all the media those two dudes can be everybody holy shit that is a really good rebuttal right i will give that one to you all you have to do is come up with the worst rebuttal possible and it's like oh that makes makes more sense than anything else that's how you get out of this box yep so uh we've got lance wall now being overtly political uh though he knows nothing about civics right um sanhedrin and gold coin he says that we got this world order that trump is forming love it and that should lead you to get the sense that maybe some geopolitics is going to come up

right and in this next clip we hear a couple of people that this this wall now is into right you know we just met with the president of el Salvador and he's a christian he's he's actually wanting the grace and strength of god to come into his life what's really funny here is they flash up the pre picture of the former president of ourselves they uh yeah yeah real crack uh steam uh team over there excellent the president of brazil is a christian who wants the strength and grace of god in his life right god is raising up cirrus rulers four nations that are going to have unprecedented harvest and blessing coming to him we have one in office right now so he's like he likes bolson arrow cool man these guys they love fucking insane they love authoritarians yeah yeah yeah

yeah i i'm surprised they didn't bring out uh duterte as well in this one i think the block is too hot on duterte oh yeah i think oh i'm sorry they might uh this was before bolson arrow came out and was like we should kill criminals in the streets i don't think that would affect i don't think so much i i i yeah it's it's insane to me this this consistency with which uh you see these right wing weirdo figures who are super cool with bolson arrow love authoritarians it's insane um but also like uh at the end there he's talking about cirrus presidents yes cirrus leaders that's his big thing with trump this coin his gold coin has a picture of king cirrus uh and also trump right and his whole if i had to describe it so in this booklet it is he argues that 70 years before

cirrus did what he did there was a prophecy uh that was get i think daniel gave a prophecy then cirrus came along and fulfilled that prophecy sure trump was elected 70 years after israel was created and so therefore bada bing bada boom trump is cirrus that does it that does it for me that does it for me you got me on that one i wish i could explain it better but as i was listening to him i couldn't care honestly that makes as much sense as anything else yeah 70 years 70 years whatever so bolson arrow and the current president of el salvador are also cirrus presidents and here's the thing that you need to understand there are sheep nations and goat nations right ooh i remember this one this isn't good no this is uh this is pretty bad

what uh what lance is about to lay out for us how's he gonna pervert this little bible hiccup well see here's what you have to do is you have to find a way to not care about most of the world yes if you're going to support these sorts of authoritarian rulers right you have to you have to brush off a lot of the world right most especially the uh meek uh they're gonna inherit the earth though you better watch out they're gonna die man that's what they're on if trump and bolson arrow have anything to say about it oh yeah so here is uh lance laying out his philosophy about sheep and goat nations um and who matters and who doesn't and it ultimately comes down to sheep and goat nations are being formed and donald trump is heading a very powerful new renaissance

of nation states that are becoming sheep nations while wait wait wait is that the is that the world order yeah a new renaissance of nation states yeah they're all okay careful yep a global he's in office the system is stable and these nations are starting to rise so what's a sheep nation what's the difference sheep nations a nation that as much as you've done at the least of these my brethren that's the key most people think my brethren that's the key word you've done unto me as much as you've done at least of these you've done it to me my brethren refers to the jews who are his who are his uh his blood inheritance as their messiah and his disciples when they knocked on the door when jesus was teaching they said master your your mother

and your brothers are outside they want to talk to you he said wait a second who's my mother who's my brother stretching forth his hand to his disciples he says behold my mother and my brethren those who hear the word of god and keep it yes sheep nations will not molest or persecute the right of israel and christians to exist goat nations will shut you down lock you up and steal your property so that's the distinction wow wow i agree that like uh states that uh you know suppress people's right to exercise their religion is that's not good they shouldn't do that right i think that's uh you know an infringement on their human rights uh that yeah like the united states that doesn't mean um that their their country doesn't matter no it means that you can kill

them with no consequences whatsoever right and jesus is totally cool with that that's what jesus was all about what you do to the least of these that doesn't apply to countries that have restrictive religious rights jesus was all about making sure people knew uh you know who could be killed whenever they wanted to yeah absolutely jesus was like hey uh you guys are cool and then let's kill all those guys i i remember in the book of bartholomew they uh i love that book by the way in 2000 i'm just learning so much about it in 2000 years some real fucked up dudes are gonna need excuses for an abusive foreign policy and so i'm writing this book in order to explain uh all of the myriad ways in which you can uh man uh justify your actions that is it is really amazing that

you can turn what you do to the least of these you do unto me into a verse that's like and what he means by that is you can bomb iran done iran is less than the least of these fuck off wow dude yeah that's amazing so now we jump back into another sales pitch for this here gold gold coin and the bundle um and then we find that again there's a very strong feeling that uh this is a world order it's nuts to me that uh it's so overt like i don't care like if if if you were to use this language in some some context i don't really give a shit if it weren't for it being the central argument of anti-communist new world order conspiracy theorists which this is an extension of yep if it weren't all about like hey hey it's a big new presideski said new world

order hey george hw pushed a new world order we're gonna make a career off it trump said new world order love it i'm a globalist yay put the hand on the globe he was just doing it to trick the goat nations right so here we go in into this uh this uh clip where we get some salesmanship and some stupidity well what we need to do is order this bundle right now i'm just telling you everyone needs this bundle what we call the cyrus trump bundle dvd 24 karat gold plated trump coin and the booklet for just a gift of 45 dollars i love that because yes the 45 god you guys are the worst an incredible value just discover the prophetic patterns in this in this lesson so that the hidden truth in the bible that explains the rise of donald trump he brings it all out

and the cyrus and then what next what's coming next that's what's so powerful and that's what you're saying telling you man there's a god has applied there is a global revival but it's not separated from nations right we want revival without nations the devil's playing for nations jesus was promised nations for his inheritance okay uh is this no borders kind of thing oh god wait wait i can't handle this i can't handle this oh god that's right now we also have other bundles three four one hundred dollars what three of the cyrus trump bundle that's too bit of deal karat gold plated trump coins and the booklet for just a gift of one hundred dollars that's an amazing value now that i'm not mean it's kind of seeking in to be right now that is incredible

and we also have the baker's dozen 13 for a gift of just 450 dollars to the ministry which are the same thing you'll eat you get the um the gold plated coin i mean i love this coin so much and the dvd and the booklet you'll love it love it love it and i suggest you get the baker's dozen simply because you're going to want to share this with so many people totally and i if you don't you won't be able to talk to him with my pastor whether he just maybe i think i think the pastors would like it i think so too because they would like to study open their eyes to really and give them clarity like lance lance has really brought clarity even to jim and myself but that's not good that is that is so insidious and they know exactly what they're doing if we can get the

pastors we get their congregations well i don't think they'll have much luck with a lot of pastors no i think most i actually disagree with you 100 percent i don't think that's fair i think there are a lot of congregations where they're keenly aware of who jim baker is i agree with you there because this is not like jim baker is not indicative of like uh i would say a majority of christianity no i agree that's an unfair i agree and i don't think you were saying that i just want to be overt with that lest somebody think that we're trying to paint christianity as a whole like this right it's not i but i do i do agree with you that that is part of a strategy that they're they're angling for yeah that's an mlm basically that's what they're going for yeah yeah

that's fair or let's say i don't know maybe you have a grandchild that you're alienated from and you don't talk to all that often but you want to evangelize too passive aggressively yeah get the baker's dozen you could send him this gold coin and booklet i gave them a gift of 450 dollars to give you a gift of this bullshit it reminds me of a lot of the gifts my men and i grandparents would send me yeah when i was going two years two years this is still fresh not that not back to back years even yeah for grover cleveland's two non consecutive gifts i can't remember if it was christmas or my birthday but the gift that i got from them was a book that was a tour guide of heaven it legitimately was like i was scrolling through the page this is the room where you get to say

the unword right i was flipping through the page is that one of them was like people often ask are there actually going to be gold streets in heaven absolutely there are twice they gave me that book twice this grift is the tale as old as time then are there pools in heaven of course there are child they're just as deep as you want them to be and there are diving boards unless you're afraid of diving boards in which case there won't be but nobody can fuck i can't i was shocked when i got that once and then when i got it a second time i was like they're not even trying nope they might have bought a baker's dozen it took me a long time to realize that like it's possible they got these from their church or local christian bookstore but it's just

as likely that they got it from something like this absolutely maybe not jim baker himself but some similar fraud or con well the when we're talking about like the majority of christianity to me what that's always meant is a church in a town with anywhere from like you know 30 to 100 people that's always been what i've thought of as a church probably because of my experience that the 30 to 100 is in the church not the town right right right right absolutely of course but the reason that it's hard to get that image or maintain that image now is because the largest churches are like jim baker the the biggest churches yeah or like the copeland yeah once in a like almost franchise yeah yeah yeah the seed faith guys there's so many people in those

and they're so big and they're and they're very public like you see them a lot as opposed to like you don't see the good churches no because often they're not getting mixed up in stuff that the media needs to cover right because they're not doing fucked up things yeah they're just like hey we're trying to be a good group of people there definitely is like you could you know i mean the statistics bear out that there's way more than you would expect support among the evangelical christians of trump oh it's like 89 percent it's insane but that is even like who's calling themselves evangelical and what is that sure that factor is in there yeah i i just think like in my life i've had a lot of negative experiences with church but i've also had positive ones so like it's not

it would be i don't know i'm not i'm not trying to defend christianity or anything other than to say like i think there's a lot of great christianity that gets a bad name because a lot of this shit i will never ever defend christianity or appreciate it i will always defend churches though to me the church you know you can pick a religion whatever toss it in there but the church is what is a whole different story sure the community that is there absolutely is each unique whatever yeah um so in this uh in this next clip oh god i love this clip this clip is so dumb so uh you know how paul joseph watson like uh it says embarrassing things all the time like he says uh you know the right wing is getting more good a better at comedy and makes people nervous

yes as as as earlier in this show we've seen that this guy is killing it with jim baker oh that audience killing it murdering loving it um that that's one of the more embarrassing things paul joseph watson has said that everyone's just dunked on him for yeah one of the other things is that conservatism is the new counterculture yeah yeah so uh lance in this uh next clip takes that uh ball and he runs down court with it tries to dunk hits the rim okay just falls let's see how it goes breaks his neck when he falls down game is canceled the ground opens up and he swallowed it down might as well gotcha but what's good about this is the fact that young people like to be counter culture yes and so now that the culture has gone down the other way yes it's our turn to

enjoy being radicals so up until now we've been the polite people that's right now we have a whole new chapter where we get to be the free radical and uh and college campuses are a perfect incendiary environment for a couple of bold young christians to start gathering together that's it and we're doing that now we're mobilizing youth on campuses and they like to be the radicals so it's actually a good sign right now that is again so order now though before the the time we're we're totally out of time oh absolutely so so i love how uh the co-host was trying to get a question in there and jim steam rules where we're out of time we're out of time let's go sell some shit we can't we can't be doing this shit your dumb ass question this is quite reminiscent of like george lincoln

rockwell's strategy of antagonizing on campuses yeah also this is what i really really need to say in the entire time that i have been aware of christianity which is to say my whole life and i was involved in an evangelical church when i was younger there is nothing that was a bigger part of the like keeping kids involved than to argue that they were the radicals oh yeah absolutely like dc talk had that big song jesus freak i'm i'm i'm out here i'm rebellious yeah yeah i do not think okay also also every single time there's been a counterculture um there has also been like there is never like a version of it that's going to be like you know what we should be way more conservative the counterculture is always going the other direction yeah because this like even if

the culture at large even if we're to accept the premise that the culture at large is degenerate but somehow you know it's all all full of sin yeah sure the counterculture to that will not be uh straight laced christianity right it will instead be way more of that shit or a refinement yeah absolutely there will be some sort of uh like yeah i guess you could argue in some ways like ethical non monogamy is kind of a counterculture to promiscuity yeah like there there's there's a way there's a refinement that goes on that is in opposition to whatever the prevailing cultural tide was right that like what the the idea that anybody in their youth uh well not anybody but large groups of people in their youth are going to be like you know what

you know i'm going to be anti conformity i'm going to appeal to a ridiculously conformist worldview yeah that's not how that works it is it is the conundrum of the youth pastor the youth pastor who is 30 years old and is hanging out with a bunch of teenagers and he's he's got the guitar yeah he's doing the whole thing he's like look i know you go to that regular church and that old guy is up there reading those bible verses or whatever but what if we just sang some hip new tunes by the beach boys let's get into it that's why my youth pastor insisted on uh singing meet virginia all yeah exactly still don't understand exactly why that was played in church the the crazier ones now are are bananas to me because it's now it's the it's the next step of that so it's the

youth pastor who's 30 years old and he's got he's tatted up beyond all recognition and he's like man i used to do some weird shit when i was younger but then i found god and i don't need heroin it's like uh fuck off and then all the tattoos are suspiciously like a biblical reference yeah yeah wait are you making up that heroin pass since you were nine you've been getting tattoos with uh isaia 1410 on it you got a trump syrus tattoo yeah all he has to do is press it and then he can talk to god and everybody who has the coin um also the other thing too is that like this idea of uh like these christian youth is going around on campuses and being like in cindy airy that's not new no like i was in church or in in school in college in like uh early 2000s and one of the

hallmarks of my goddamn college experience because you couldn't get away from it was brother jed the evangelist who would sit and yell at people on campus all the time yeah he would make the rounds to tons of colleges around the midwest and he wasn't the only one there were a bunch of these pastors i've heard from i talked about this on the show one time i got a bunch of emails from people who were either uh also new brother jed and didn't go to mazoo or their campus had their own version of yeah it's very consistent yep it's a strategy that's been employed for a long time this isn't anything new oh yeah maybe you're trying to trick kids into doing it instead of an old angry man yeah but uh it's not new oh yeah there was a there was a dude who was uh i remember in my

freshman year of college who would just come around and he would just grab people who uh he he thought had uh drifted from the faith or whatever and he'd be like let's go have a cup of coffee sometime yeah let's just go get a cup of coffee sometime that whole thing over and over and over brother jed would invite people to his house for a dinner yes he no no no i i at least my guy wasn't that creepy he knew we need to go to a neutral space a buddy of mine was almost uh like he's like yeah i think i might go over just see what's uh see what's up i'm like don't do that i don't think he did i think i talked him out of it if i recall grabbing his arms and tying them and holding them down resist the sirens yeah so we have one last clip here

and uh it's we're getting back to the sheep and goat nation idea and uh earlier i said you know he's talking a lot like alex but you know he's not saying globalists uh oh those sheep nations that are rising up the leaders are less about party and they're more about the people and bringing in the prosperity and the principles that'll make a nation great this is a populist movement the enemy hates that the globalists versus the populist is what you're starting to see now globalists want to control by the way so if socialism happens it doesn't necessarily go bad for those people that are the elites because at the end of the day the government will tell you what you do and what you don't do and these these elites already have influence over the government the globalist

are you fucking with me god damn it man that might as well have been a guest on alex's show yeah yeah especially because he's literally describing why he's fine with supporting tropas he's like because yeah he's gonna create this nationalist hellscape dystopia but i'm gonna be fine because i already have influence over him yeah these people are fucking with us yeah yeah all they really want like all these people really want is to continue their grift and uh people uh having more uh let's say left-leaning uh policies and regulations coming into favor jeopardizes some of their grifts i i would assume that they are very aware of that and they want to keep away from any possibility of that ever coming to pass oh yeah secondarily especially on this show

they want a theocracy they want laws in place that you can discriminate against people based on them being different in a way that they're against yep they want that they want to be able to just i mean if i want to if i want to do politics from the pulpit i'm gonna fucking do it yeah if i want to try and create a political machine in a small town based around my church i still want to have tax exempt status absolutely i gotta have tax exempt status because i'm running running on these margins yeah they want to protect the the business the scam and they want to move things closer to um an authoritarian in line with god yeah and that's why they that's what the populist not god in line with them and that's what they think god yeah yeah yeah well it's not even that

it's using god as a yeah as a as a trick but because it's the same thing as the populist trick that they're doing is they they're in line with the people they're not in a party all that that that uh that window dressing that facade that they're putting up is the same thing that they're doing with religion yep to protect their scam they hide it with religion and they're very successful in doing that to hide their authoritarianism and fascism they hide behind the populism yep we're against globalists socialism will wreck everything we're against globalists even though we are going to bring out a new global world order a world order but we're not globalists we're nationalists functioning within a global world order now we're not going to be involved in

borders no no no no borders we don't need borders in the global world order that we've built so it's a little different than alex but the rest of it is very in line and it's it is worth noting every now and again i believe that uh like a lot of this is all cribbing from the same notes it's all there's so many parallels yeah what you hear here is a guy who if you believe his telling of it had no idea about any civics before trump got elected then took a steady diet of religious and right wing media and has come to this conclusion that he's come to and he's just regurgitating the exact same things as alex but giving them a religious uh like presentation yeah and alex does too so i guess they're not really that different at all but what they're doing slightly different

but they're targeting different audiences yes no that's and that's the thing that i uh like that's the thing about the right wing media that's so brilliant that i think they stumbled on to probably by accident yeah is they have the best seo because they all agree with each other yeah yeah that's why when you go on their message exactly to like this is for retirees right alex is trying to get like uh well i mean not anymore necessarily but there was a like his original use in the market was trying to co-opt some left wing people yeah and uh and libertarians yeah it's all it's all focused on whatever corner of the market you can do uh to penetrate it with this uh exact same worldview and that's why the youtube algorithm has killed us all

because you watch one of these videos from jim baker and you're like ha ha that's stupid i'm not a religious wacko but youtube is like well you watched this dumb religious wacko let's see what you were into alex jones and then now you're like well this is what i'm into and it's the same i'm still getting recommendations for david j smith sir so good luck i did that to myself you're gonna be a believer here soon speaking of good luck good luck on your vacation thank you very much dan have a have a great time over there and uh god damn it i can't think do kangaroos over there uh no kangaroos are in australia that's right yeah i can't think of uh animal that's uh that's uh over there the the big one that we're going to is uh literally a giraffe get me one of them i will

get you a baby giraffe i will get you a baby giraffe steal me a baby giraffe i already promised to kick a baby giraffe in the knee or just bring me back some candy i was going to do that okay good yeah we'll be back um we will i mean there'll be some episodes with us uh over the vacation and i'll be i'll be back with uh some other fun uh but until then jordan we got a website we do it's knowledgefight.com correct uh you could also find us on twitter you bet you can it's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed jordan yes and we are on facebook yes indeed we are also on the itunes you could download you could leave a review you could uh well you could buy a 24k erit uh gold plated coin right with dan's face on it was going to be silver but i said gold dan is only about

the gold uh and uh put it between your two fingers and you'll be able to listen to every one of our episodes absolutely yep uh so we will see you next time but until then i have been the jesus lizard andy and chansas you're on the air thanks for holding so alexa my first name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you