Knowledge Fight - #331: March 13-14, 2013

Episode Date: August 12, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan come to you from the past to discuss a couple episodes of The Alex Jones Show from the even deeper past. In this installment, the gents find Alex embarking on an intense white victimhood narrative, responding to the news of a new Pope being named, and doing an iffy impression of McGruff The Crime Dog.

Hey everybody, Dan here. Just wanted to give you a little introduction for this episode. This is an episode that Jordan and I recorded before he left for vacation, which explains why neither of us seemed to have any idea of the news that broke over the weekend of Jeffrey Epstein's death. And that is a topic that there just was not enough time to turn around and get an episode out for Monday about. I will be taking care of that in the Wednesday episode because by the time I would have been able to make an episode out of something, the only content that was really available of Alex covering it is a two minute video that he shot in an airport where people behind him are looking very confused and very upset at being in the

background against their will in an Alex Jones video. I felt very sad for these people. But he talks for about a minute about his feelings about Epstein's death. And then there's a minute of a commercial for his survival foods and water filtration. So that's a good sign. That does not make for an episode. So anyway, that will be on Wednesday. We'll have a modern day episode. But I believe that this episode has a lot of a lot of fun in it. And I hope you do enjoy it. Knowledge fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge fight. Dan and George. Knowledge fight. Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas.

You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a good fan. I love your word. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan. What up Jordan. Dan. Yep. When you were going through puberty, did you have a lot of zits and stuff? Not a ton. No. Didn't have any skin issues. I wouldn't say I didn't have any, but it wasn't as big a problem as media had led me to believe it would be. I thought for sure based on all of the TV shows I'd watched, all of the teen dramas that it would be like the biggest crisis. It really wasn't. I mean I got some zits here and there and certainly

it was always, I did feel embarrassed when you'd have a big whitehead. But it wasn't that terrible. I really was worried you were going to go pubes. I really thought you were going through puberty when you start getting them hairs. Boring. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. That's fair. I'm interested just because I was watching one of those teenage drama series with my girlfriend last night and it was very much like I was trying to think back on my high school experience and I didn't really have that many skin issues either. I think I went through puberty really early maybe because I had a beard really young or at least facial hair that came in as a full beard much earlier than a lot of. Did you literally just tell me when you got your beard?

No. I said beard. I know. And then also my voice was pretty low pretty early. Yeah. Like in a way that was noticeable to people around me. Like people would think I was an adult when I answered the phone. Oh no, absolutely. But yeah, maybe I'm lucky. I don't know. That's nice. Yeah. That's nice. I always assumed growing up that it was going to be like I'm going to get an entire pimple face because my little sister did have that experience of just like oh man, she did the whole you got to buy the creams and you got to. Accutane. You got to do the whole thing and it was brutal. So I felt amazed that I dodged that bullet. Our hearts go out to the folks who have struggled with acne. Yeah. It's tough. Yep. Yeah. So Jordan, this is a podcast where I don't know a whole lot about

that subjective experience, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. And I don't know anything about either. Correct. And currently you are on vacation. Yay. We were recording this before you take off for vacation, but you will be gone halfway across the world when this comes out and you'll be free of any consequences. Man, this is I'm not going to tweet period until I get back because I don't want to get on that. I don't want to have that experience of like saying, sending some tweet that when I land in South Africa is like, oh, the internet just killed me. Oh, I lost my job. Oh, man. So I wanted to, you know, get together with you and record an episode in advance, of course, because absolutely the people won't. You can't stand a whole week plus without the two of

us hanging out talking shit about Alex Jones. And honestly, I'm going to miss it, which is crazy. Yeah. But he'll be back soon enough. Of course. The problem that comes in with that is that we're very limited possibilities. You know, we can't really do a present day episode as well because we're recording this preemptively. So we got to stick around in 2013 or do Wacky Wednesday and we've decided we will do one of each. So today we're going to be back in 2013. We're going to be looking at March 13th and 14th, 2013. And I think we're actually turning a bit of a corner here. Really? I think these couple of days have some pretty wild shit. They found the Zodiac killer. That is not what happens. Oh, okay. But there's a develop. I will say one new

development that I can spoil ahead of time. We get a new Pope. Oh, that's right. That's right. That happens over the span of days. We do get a new Pope. Holy shit. Yeah. That's wild to think about. This is that that couple days plays much less of a role in anything that happens than you might think. Yeah, you might think that Alex would be very excited about this and full of angles about it. Nope. Spoiler alert. This is just a racist mess of a couple days. That sounds about right. This is one of the most racist things I've ever heard from Alex's show. This couple days is profoundly racist. In 2013. Yes. No shit. Yeah. It's deeply, deeply racist. So you get rid of a Nazi Pope and Alex gets racist. I think that makes perfect sense. He's got to even out the

balance. Yeah, absolutely. The universe must do. Yeah. So we'll get to that. And we'll also get to given some shout outs to people who have signed up and supported the show. But I actually found two out of context drops for today's show. So let's get one of them in before the shout outs. I have no guilt. I'm a really good guy. I'm trying to free humanity. Okay. So take it how you want. All right. Okay. Real good guy. No guilt. No guilt. No guilt. That sounds like something that somebody without guilt says all the time. Somebody with no guilt says all the time. Not someone who's Doth protested too much. Yeah, absolutely. I have no guilt only appreciation for the people that I would like to give a shout out to now. Nicely done. Thanks.

But that's not even true. You do have some. I do have a little guilt. You barely just proved the point. I have a bit of guilt about anybody who supports our show. I'm trying to work through it. It's my own fucking psychological mess. But I do appreciate everybody from the bottom of my heart. And so I would like to say first of all, this person today is lousy with joke names. Okay. And this first one is somebody who I will say your name, but I will I'm not sure that I endorse the message that your name implies. Oh boy. And but by Ethereum, you are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. We do not advocate for cryptocurrencies of any form except Max coin. Yeah, absolutely. Becca, thank you so much. You are

now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thanks, Becca. Thank you, Jennifer. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thanks, Jennifer. Next, Alex Jones killed my dog. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you so much, Alex Jones. Thank you. The truth. So then finally, I'd like to give some shout out to some people who donated on an elevated level. We appreciate it very much. So Melissa, thank you so much. Tasha, thank you so much. And there are no wild wolves in Chicago. You saw a coyote. Thank you so much. And that very well might be. I'm willing to accept that. I told the story of seeing a wolf. I believe it to be a wolf. But if it's a coyote, then so be it. Whatever.

I will take your criticism and accept it. And thank you along with Melissa and Tasha. You are all wonderful technocrats. I'm a policy walk. Crikey, Mike. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Melissa, Tasha. And there are no wild wolves in Chicago. You saw a coyote. Yes. Thank you. You know, you know, telling somebody that they're wrong while also donating some of their money to the something that's important really helps the medicine go down.

It really does. It really does. Yeah. We've been kicked while while supported is feels familiar. So, Jordan, we've got this episode to go over. Oh, and if you are listening and you'd like to support the show, you can do that by going to our website, knowledge fight.com, clicking the button says support the show. We would appreciate it. Please do. Now, before we get into today's proceedings, here is the second out of context drop from today's show. They literally attack our testicles. Okay. All right. All right. Literally. So, so we're going to have the most racist couple of episodes and it started off by they're kicking us in the balls, fellas. I think if I recall the context of that, it's less of a outward assault on the testicles and more of a pharmacological

attack. Who cares? Yes. Alex is worried about his balls. Absolutely. So we start on the 13th and we get to right at the beginning of the show, we get an announcement of a big guest that Alex is going to have on and this is continuing in this trend. It's interesting to see because right before he went on vacation, he had like Ted Nugent, Michael Savage, he had these big gets on the show and he's super excited about it. Riding the wave of fighting Piers Morgan, all this like right. I'm penetrating other people's market spaces and now he's trying to continue that with someone who is familiar to him. It's not a stranger or anything, but it's someone who has a gigantic presence. I've seen the numbers. Trade publications vary, but the second most listened to show in this country

is not Sean Hannity and it is not certainly Glenn Beck. It is George Norrie and I find to be a very interesting individual and he's really helped us get the word out over the years and I wanted to get him on about the nature of reality and where he sees humanity going and the times that he sees ahead because it was George now 10 years ago who started putting me on coast to coast AM for full shows of three hours and nowadays to talk about the new world order and prison camps and checkpoints and drones and surveillance grids and deadly vaccines. That's pretty much passé. I tuned into two different shows on 590 yesterday and I tuned in to WAI in San Antonio while I was out driving to work and driving back yesterday and doing some errands. Every show was saying there's a police

state takeover. The government runs Al Qaeda. We're in deep trouble. I would argue that you're hearing those things not as like that's not indicative of like widespread everybody's talking about that. It's like those are the stations you're on. If they're airing your show, they might be selected towards covering similar topics. Yeah. Also, that's not a good thing. No. My shit's going worldwide. That's not a good thing. So Alex has George Norrie from coast to coast AM is going to come up on this episode and Alex saying that George Norrie was the first person to give him a large platform is a perfect argument for why softball programs like coast to coast AM could be pretty dangerous. They're usually not. Joe Rogan. Sorry. I think it's a little bit different.

I know. There are similarities. Yeah. I was thinking about it in terms of that. Joe is more critical of his guests than George Norrie. Right. Right. Of course. Of course. It's hard not to be more critical than George. George Norrie is just like he might as well not be there. Yeah. So I most of the time I don't think his show is a problem. My coast to coast isn't a problem. A lot of the time you'll end up with a charming eccentric or someone pitching ideas that are so far past the point of believability that they're not really threatening. However, a platform like that where the host has cultivated an audience full of open minded but not that critical people where the host has a policy of not being a hostile interviewer and letting people speak

their piece. A platform like that is an ideal target for someone like Alex. It's the greatest gift you could ever give him a lignite narcissist looking to expand their flock with a show like coast to coast. The hard work needs to be done in the booking process. You can have a loose free wheeling non confrontational interview. But if you do, you have a responsibility to not allow people on your show who are only there to poach your audience and get them into their cult. If you encourage open mindedness and complete naivete in your audience, you have an obligation to then protect them from malicious influences. And that's a part of the equation that none of these people who run shows like this seem to get. If they don't book their show very carefully,

what they're basically doing is corralling gullible people into one centralized place where they can be targeted by someone with bad will. And that seems to be at least a piece of Alex Jones' rise to prominence and relevance. And for this, and many other reasons, I would like to say that George Norrie can go fuck himself. Yeah. Yeah. George Norrie put all that fish in the barrel and then Alex shot him. Yeah. That's exactly what happened. It's a phenomenon that I don't know. I don't know that necessarily a lot of these people are all that cognizant that they're engaging in. But when you have a show like coast to coast, everything is based on a lack of evidence. Right. Like nobody has any evidence of any of the shit they're saying.

Right. And they're just open minded to maybe this is possible. That is a breeding ground. That is a warm Petri dish that you could introduce whatever you want into it and let it grow. Absolutely. And it's dangerous. And while you're in there, eventually you're going to have to graduate into, well, now I need to know what is true. I can't keep, I can't stay open minded and all that stuff. Wow. Until maybe as you get older. You'll make a decision of what is true. But you're not going to necessarily demand the proof that or the. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, eventually you're going to want a truth. You're going to stop wanting the open minded anything as possible and start wanting some sort of certainty. You know, like I've spent all of my time. You'll air towards that.

Yes. Certainly that'll be a direction you'll go in and someone like Alex will provide you that truth. Exactly. And it'll be there. Right. Yeah. It's not like, I don't think that this is any statement that I'm making that like something like coast to coast shouldn't exist. No, or that they should be censored or banned. But it needs to be a part of the equation that these people running shows like this have, or they need to be open about the fact that like, we're trying to dupe people. Right. Right. You shouldn't be able to like, pretend that your, your intentions aren't in that direction and then behave in every way that leads towards that. Yeah. You need an ombudsman. Sure. Yeah. I don't know what they do, but yes. So Alex in that clip there also was

saying that, you know, like I listened to all these radio stations. It's passe to talk about the stuff that I talk about. It's all normal now. There's a little bit of a delusion of grandeur that's in there too, because he's not just saying that his ideas are all mainstream. He's convinced that he's the reason they're mainstream and all of these people are just following his wake. And there might be some truth to that, but it's not the whole picture. He was on the air just going, yeah, yeah, government runs all kind of and I heard the morning show saying it. And this is without, this is without it being on dredge report, which most radio shows go and get their news from.

This was without it even being on info wars. It was, it was not even a meme in the media. And I heard three shows yesterday. And when you see a chain reaction like that, and I see that more and more or something out of the ether. Well, I haven't called Jeff, but I'll guarantee you that all three of the shows, WAI and the two 590 shows heard my Sunday show where I talked about it for about an hour and a half of the two hours. So he's convinced, like he said at the beginning, there is like, it's not on info wars, but then 30 seconds later, he's like, I mean, it's not on info wars, but it was on info war. It wasn't on the website,

but I talked about it. So everybody's listening. So that's, that's a little bit grandiose. And then also real dangerous mentality to have that everybody gets all their, all radio shows just read from drudge. I think he, he accidentally gave up the game. Mm hmm. Most radio shows just get their news from drudge. So it's okay that I get my news from most radio. It's most radio shows. It does. It does seem like maybe a justification. So I told you that this is a really racist couple of days and it starts pretty quick. Because Alex is on some, like they're attacking white people. Shit. That's his big narrative on the 13th. And when you really get down to the bottom of

what's going on here, his intentions become crystal clear. People couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe it for four or five days when we first broke the my act, then the, not just the state level report, the federal master report and others. And since then there's over a hundred FBI manuals and flyers given to every business you can imagine from animal husbandry to tattoos from barbershops to clothe ears, you name it, uh, saying blue jeans, cell phones, a sign of terrorism, but the number one sign and it says it in the manuals. But I'm about to show you one right now, not a manual LA times. They say being white is the sign of terror. So he says he's going to read to you from the manual. It's not the manual. It's the LA times.

What are you doing? What did, how could you get that wrong? You call the LA times like some sort of a manual? Well, like an internal manual. It was a fucking op-ed article. They were, yeah, but he was quoting the manual, right? No. Oh, okay. Well, then never mind. This is stupid. This is ridiculous. So apparently there's an LA times article that it says that if you're white, you're a terrorist. That doesn't sound true because it's not. Oh, but I didn't know really what to go on here. And I wasn't quite sure. It just seemed like, uh, he could be talking about nothing or anything. Right. Yeah. I was like, ah, I need more details. And so a little bit later in the episode, he, uh, he gives some more details and we figure out what is up. And he went on slime bulb.

Mark Potok went on and said, we're putting out another red alert. The new threat is white gun owners. They're going to attack. And in their new report and in their letter and what the letter sourced was their report, guess who's at the top of the list? A L E X A N D E R J O N E S. And what does that spell? Alexander Jones. Who is that? You bet. I love that at the end there. Who is that? You bet. That's not even, that doesn't even make sense. So we got, I think slime ball is hard ball. Okay. I'm pretty sure. So I got this, this Mark Potok went on TV and was saying that there's a white extremist issue that we should pay attention to. He wasn't right. Uh huh. It's a good thing that

nobody ever listened to him. And it's, so it's fair to say, uh, or it is fair that Mark Potok was talking about the possible threat that was posed by some members of the white gun owner community. But here, what we're seeing Alex as usual is leaving out some very important context. Mark's comments were in response to a video that was put out by a Tennessee weapons instructor by the name of James Yeager, literally saying that if Obama put forth any gun control measures, it was time to quote start killing people. Mark Potok was just quoting James Yeager. It's really indicative of the sort of gaslighting that Alex engages in all the time, what we're seeing here. Some gun weirdo threatens to kill people. Then someone who works at the SPLC says

it would be wise to pay attention to this guy threatening to kill people and people in his community who are making similar threats. And Alex ignores the original threat and pretends that the SPLC guy is nuts and just saying that all white people are terrorists. This really is one of the main tricks that Alex uses on his show and the robbing a story of or comment of prior context that would make it make complete sense. All that happened here was that Potok wrote an article about this threat and provided specific examples of other groups and individuals around the country who are making similar threats about a violent revolution that they were ready to set off. This article that he wrote was published in Salon on January 11th and Potok had been a guest

on hardball to discuss the topic which is Alex I assume is responding to. I know that he needs to make a big deal out of every perceived slight against white people but really you should know what's going on here and you should know what actually is going on here because this is what Alex is turning into all whites are terrorists. But there's more. The original article at the center of this whole thing like I said was Mark Potok responding to a video put out by James Yeager and once you realize who James Yeager is everything comes into focus. Yeager is the CEO of Tactical Response, a company that sells weapons, weapon parts and tactical training. They're also a sponsor of Alex's show. Yeager has been on the show many times and Alex sells gun

parts from his site on his website or at least he definitely did in the past. I'm not sure if he still does. That relationship is mysteriously undisclosed in Alex's commentary about Mark Potok, the LA Times, all of this. It's nonsense. No, that's not okay. No, that's just not okay. How is that a thing? How is that a thing that can happen? I feel like that, man, there are so many things that aren't illegal and that I don't know how to police correctly but really shouldn't be possible or okay. Yeah, I mean what you have is like a level of manipulation and a level of there's intent behind it. Absolutely. So Mark Potok is the guy who worked at the SPLC Center who was behind the report that the LA Times article is based on. So the root of all of this stuff.

Gotcha. And Mark Potok's article that he wrote for Salon that was an extension of this commentary is about James Yeager. So you have this explicit connection between this all being about people explicitly threatening to kill people if there's any gun control measures passed. So it's just you got a cart and horse situation that's completely, Alex is forgetting about what's actually behind the chicken and egg, if you will, whatever the cause and effect is. He's ignoring the cause, talking about the effect as if it exists in a vacuum. And it's abusive. It's a manipulative strategy that I think is just bullshit and he only does this when it's issues about white people. Yeah, well he thinks that white gun owners should be able to threaten

to kill people with no consequences and that way they can terrorize them into doing whatever they want. He's a terrorist. What's really interesting about this is that Alex, because of the LA Times article that Mark Potok on Slimeball, because of all that, Alex is making a big prediction in this next clip we will see. And it's pretty extreme and I think I understand what's going on. They've got all these movies coming out where, you know, malicious attack the White House. So they can stage a false flag, have it be incredibly immoral what happens, blow up a nursery like Oklahoma City, whatever, and then blame it on us and say, see, we told you so. And they are, they are moving into fire zone. The Death Star is clear to fire in five minutes. So here again,

this is what we talked about on our last Wednesday episode, the pre-hype. This is the pre-hype for the attack. I mean, politically speaking, five seconds. It is coming around to use a Star Wars analogy, coming around Yavin and is about to be cleared of fire. Okay. I mean, the Death Star is coming around. And if you're not in your X-wing out there right now fighting every day to expose these murdering terrorists, they're going to bring in the Red Terror. They're panicked. They're scared. They know we've got the initiative and this is history happening right now. The Death Star is clear to fire in five seconds. That means any minute now, any time, we're in a death struggle to back them off, to expose them so they don't pull it off,

and they, they hold back and don't do it. And then when they do do it, if they do do it, we're going to really be able to deal with them because people now know we got people everywhere watching. The minute they blow something up, folks, get your camera, everyone should carry cameras on them at all times. So what's really interesting here is that within a couple weeks, the Boston bombing happens. Yeah. So Alex is here and he's saying these things and people are going to interpret that as him predicting the Boston bombing. And when the Boston bombing does happen, he's going to be able to say, I predicted this. Right. He's not responding to the LA Times or the SPLC or Mark Podak. He's responding to knowing that James Yeager and people like him

are threatening to do stuff like this. Yeah. This is protection. This is self-defense. Right. This is preemptive justification for things that he has a very good idea that some of his militia buddies are going to do. That's what's going on here. Oh, that'd be that. That's too conspiracy even for me that he's that there's that his predictions of a terrorist attack are based around his militia buddies planning a terrorist attack, telling him about it, having him say that there's going to be one that they're going to blame on them. No, no, no, no. And then to be clear, that's not exactly what I'm saying. I'm not saying that James Yeager told him about a plot that he's aware of. Right. I'm saying that Alex is aware of the world and these corners of the

world have to know that this SPLC guy coming out and warning and saying, Hey, this is this is a serious problem. There are these white right wing militias that it would be wise to pay attention to. Alex knows that that's in response to things that are like people he knows people who sponsor his show. He knows that they are the people who have made threats like that. Yeah, Mark Potok in his comments don't exist. Devoid of context, right? He's not saying this to demonize white people. He's saying this because other people have made these threats, right? Alex knows that and he knows that these people might fucking follow through on their threats. It would be wise for me to protect the business to go ahead and create a preemptive narrative in case one of them does blow something

up. And if they do blow something up, then I get to make a whole bunch of money saying it was fake and I can create a whole new season based on that. And then it's a perfect strategy for him. Yeah, he's running interference on white nationalist terror. Well, that's a big part of it. Because another big part of it is it's what it's best for his business. No, for sure. There's a financial motivation and an ideological motivation. Right. It's best for his business, but at the same time, it's also best for the terrorists because, I mean, we would almost certainly have done more to investigate, or the FBI would have done more to investigate white nationalist terror if there weren't a massive amount of people who are supporting the fucking president,

you know? Sure. As they pointed out. Or even back in 2009 when the Mayak report came out, if there weren't people like Alex and his ilk agitating against the looking at terrorism as a broader problem than just people from the Middle East. Right. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, there's an even further benefit to it that like, let's say no one does anything, like none of these terrorist militia guys that Alex knows and supports and is cool with, let's say none of them end up doing anything. It's still good for his business to act this way, because there is the white identity angle to it. Yeah. There is the white victimhood, the agreement that he makes so much money off of that's so central to being the fuel for his worldviews. Right. So in the chance that something

happens, great, you got a preemptive defense for it. Yep. In the case that nothing happens, we're still making money. We're still making money here. It's the perfect thing to happen. Or at least it's the perfect response for him to have to somebody saying like, we should take this fucking seriously, because these guys are planning shit and they're overtly saying what they're going to do. Yeah. They're making terrorist threats. Yeah. At the same time, he's making it inevitable for one of them to do it eventually. In a long enough span of time. Yes. I would say given enough time and enough sort of support from media figures like Alex. Yeah. It does feel inevitable. Yeah. Especially now that we live in what is inevitable.

Certainly with the context and insight of six more years of history, it does feel inevitable. But I don't want to apply that to Alex's mentality back then, because I don't know if that's... We can only speculate that. Yeah. What feels a lot more likely is just in case let's build this narrative and also money, money, money. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex gets around to reading some of this LA Times op-ed. And I don't think he does a good job of interpreting the text. Let me show you what's in the LA Times. Told you this was coming. Oh, my God. I mean, the peril from patriots. The U.S. needs to keep a close watch on the growing threat of homegrown extremist groups. Now it gets worse. Look at who they show as the extremist. Only criminals in government want unarmed public.

What part of shall not be infringed? You don't understand. Repeal and negate. Now it gets worse. First they say you're radical. Then they say there aren't increasing frightening numbers of cells. It's cells of angry men in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government. They're usually heavily armed, blinded by intractable hatred. You mean wide awake to your evil. And we know who you are often motivated by religious zeal. They're not jihadists. They are white. They are white, right wing Americans. They've now announced white men are terrorists. That's the headline, Kurt Nemo. LA Times announces white men are terrorists. So you see how easy a jump he makes there from the saying some white men engage in terrorism.

Yeah. To being like they're saying the white people are terrorists. Right. That's insane. Right. Well, I mean, it's the only thing that he can say. I think, honestly, well, not just that. Well, it'd be hard to fit within his worldview because he already thinks that everybody who's a Muslim is a terrorist. So for you, it's close to the vest back there. Well, yeah. But in the, in that extent, you know, why don't they come radical Islamists because they're all secretly radical Islamists. So every brown person is a terrorist. And if he wants to maintain any kind of ideological consistency, if you call one person a terrorist in a group, all of them are terrorists. There's probably a piece of that. But I think the larger he doesn't know that he's not doing

that on purpose. But that's how he thinks probably. Yeah. But I think the larger piece of it is that he can't argue on the merits of are there white people who are terrorists? Because if that's the conversation that that falls apart entirely, he's going to have to go out of his way to deny every act of what I mean, he tries as he hasn't stopped him yet. He tries, but there's plenty that he has no awareness of. And they just weren't on his radar. Right. Right. So he would have to do so much work about these specific cases and finding ways to turn them into conspiracies. He's not up for it. So instead, you change the argument that's being had to they're saying that white people are terrorists. Right. Now it's so fucking non specific and stupid. You can just

grandstand on that all you want. Go ahead. It's a pointless argument. Yeah. But you'd rather have those pointless arguments than lose the argument that some white people are committing terrorist acts. Right. Right. Yeah, no, there's there. I've said it before, but nobody has more in common with ISIS than white Christian militia people and Alex and Alex. So is yeah. So Alex gets around to like getting really extreme about what he thinks is going to happen because this trend that he's seeing. So he he's making this prediction that there's going to be a false flag and that if when that happens, everybody get cameras out, get those cameras, which he actually probably doesn't want them to do because then they'll actually see that it was a regular old

but what he can do then is take the footage and take the parts out that make a good call and then cast suspicions around. I like it. But you could hear that and think like, oh, he's predicting that this Boston bombing is going to happen. Right. You could you could hear that from his his pressured tone about like, there's going to be they're going to blow something up. But when he gets more specific, you start to understand that like, he doesn't know what he's talking about. This is such a vague idea. This is the extreme level that he's predicting. In 2019, when we were discussing Alex's narratives that he was building about the El Paso and Dayton shooting, he discussed the Arlington Road model, the Arlington Road system. Yeah. In 2013 here,

he's talking about the government nuking a city and then killing him presumably, I guess, to set him up. I suppose he's kind of discussing the Arlington Road system. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. That movie was out before this. Yeah. I don't know. I really like that move. Yeah. I would say that this is stupid. The Obama's going to nuke a fucking city. It's a low yield nuke. So it's not that big a deal. Did you see how the 24 seconds of that clip took a little journey? It started with, you know, I break down crying because I have a feeling that they might nuke a city. And then he said Obama and his controllers are considering using a low yield nuke on an American city. That shifts from a prediction to like that tone is reporting. Yeah. Obama and his controllers are considering this. Okay. That's

not saying I feel like they're going to write. That's the tone of that is very much like as if he has a reason to believe that. Yeah. Other than his stupid analysis of the world. That's dangerous. Yeah. It's hard even now. I don't know if it's easier or harder now to mix up those tones because everything he says is a feeling and is based in at best seventh hand knowledge of the summary of somebody else's sixth hand knowledge of something. Sure. You know. So whenever he changes tone into from opinion to reporting, I don't really notice it because it's all the same thing there. Yeah. I can see how if I didn't have this level experience though, that that would be an insidious way of transforming your apocalyptic predictions into something that someone would take as reporting.

Yeah. Yeah. But for his listeners purposes, he's doing it probably, I would say, I don't know how much intentional, how much it's just muscle memory, but with the hopes that people will take it more seriously than it deserves to be taken. Absolutely. Because all it is is him talking shit. Right. So we don't have any clips of George Norrie's interview because it's really boring and very bad. But what it does solidify is that Norrie fucking loves Alex Jones. Yeah. And it's not just lip service. Like the two of them are on the same page about a lot of political stuff, which you would know if you listen to a little bit of Coast to Coast AM because he does let that show a little bit more than someone who is presumably impartial and just like a guy who wants to let people talk about stuff.

Sure. Like he's very, very against left social causes. Yeah, of course. And so that's not surprising. The two of them just have a bull session about how great Alex is and who cares. It's not worth our time. Alex has another guest that's coming up on this show. And that is James O'Keefe from Project Chemo. God damn it. Project Veritas. God damn it. Now, we don't have to listen to him on the show. And there's a reason. We had scheduled the Project Veritas who put together a video police and all these departments saying, no, you shouldn't be able to own guns, get a dog. And so, and then O'Keefe, I'm told, is under the weather. So we're going to see if we're going to have one of his other cohorts on the broadcast coming up here in about 30 minutes. But regardless, we're going to play

that video slash audio. James O'Keefe canceled on Alex. He's pretending he's sick. So he doesn't have to come talk to this guy. He's under the weather, Dan. He's not sick. He's, wait, he's sick. I'm sorry. I gave a Freudian slip. He's sick. He's sick. He's totally sick. I don't believe he's sick. Of course not. I believe it's like, I don't want to do this. Which is sad. Seems like a hassle. Which is sad for us. I don't want to make this 15 minute phone call. Because I'm going to be pissed if O'Keefe is busy. Yeah, that's that's insane. So like I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, we get a new pope. And on the 13th of March, that is when the smoke, the light smoke came above the chimney in Vatican. And we found that there was a new pope. And Alex takes this news gracefully.

Also, white smoke rises over Vatican. A new pope has been elected. Let's fade up Fox News here whenever we get a chance to do that. And we will be breaking more of that down here today as that unfolds. All right. So I mean, that's just as close to like a reporting of the facts. That actually happened. That wasn't bad. Yeah. So Alex has some more commentary about the new pope here. We don't know that it's Francis yet. And so here's here's some cover on that. They have still not announced to the new pope as the white smoke's been coming out. They'll build the anticipation with all the showmanship and announce it. When are they saying they're going to announce the new pope this? Because I'm actually interested. I want to

know politically what that means. So this is interesting to me. So I've mentioned this before on the show, like I went back and checked the episodes around the time the Pope Benedict stepped down as pope when I was trying to find a good one off episode to cover for one of our live shows. I felt the odds were pretty strong that Alex was going to be freaking out about it. It's big world news. I figured he'd have an angle on it. So I just wanted to check. But Alex was on vacation when that happened. And as it turns out, that was the vacation we just passed here in 2013. Benedict resigned on February 28, 2013. And now here on March 13, we're getting to experience in real time Alex Jones's response to the news that there is a new pope, which I would describe as

mildly interested curiosity. Yeah, this is interesting, because it tells me that Alex had no idea who the new pope was going to be. But according to his own self told backstory, he should know. According to Alex nowadays, Leo Zagami predicted that Benedict was going to step down and even predicted Francis as the next pope. The way Alex tells the story, it's heavily implied that Alex knew about Zagami's prediction and watch them play out in real time. But here we see Alex wondering who the next pontiff is going to be. I think this is probably because Alex didn't meet Leo Zagami until 2015. Yeah, that makes which is a bit of a problem for that for that timeline to work out. Yeah, a little bit tough. Alex is just taking as truth Leo's claims that he predicted

that Benedict would step down with no substantiating proof. I can find zero proof that Leo Zagami made this prediction before Benedict resigned. And knowing as much about him as I do, I'm very comfortable assuming that this is something he made up after the fact and pretended he'd known all along. Most of the citations to this prediction go back to Leo's book, Pope Francis, The Last Pope Question Mark, Money, Masons and Occultism and the Decline of the Catholic Church. Hey, first of all, two subtitles. No good. No, not good. But that wasn't published until April 2015. A further reason to be suspicious is that when Leo was on Alex's show in October 2015, he said that he knew from a high level Vatican source that Francis was going to step down and

resign after he visited his home country of Argentina. And that was going to happen in 2016. This didn't happen, which calls into question the veracity of his sources. Between that, every other piece of information in the world about Leo Zagami and the fact that literally no one seems to be able to produce evidence that he actually predicted Benedict's resignation before it happened. I'm comfortable with my position that this is a load of bullshit. And it's a load of bullshit that Alex believed when Leo told him about it probably again, just because Leo's Italian and fairly good at improv. He's got that. He's got that accent. I would even go so far as to say it doesn't just question the veracity of Leo Zagami's sources,

but their existence at all, Dan. You bet. And we can clearly see here in 2013, Alex had no idea who the new Pope was going to be. And he doesn't even bring up that his good buddy Leo Zagami made a very real prediction that happens to come true. Like Alex should be freaking out, not just about the white smoke. He should be freaking out about the whole thing because Leo Zagami predicted Benedict's resignation. Yeah. No, that's, that's a, that's a world shattering event. If you predicted the resignation of a Pope, that's crazy, then you are fucking top dog. We're already deep into his prediction coming true. It's not like the prediction is only true. If Francis is the, the one who's named Pope, it's, it Alex should have every reason

to be in the middle of a extended freak out. Yeah. No, but I mean, when was the last time a Pope resigned? It's been a long time. It's been a hundred, hundreds of years. So if you predicted that one, damn, even though you knew he was a Nazi, you, you, you, if you predicted that, that's evidence of either you do have good sources or you're the kind of crazy person who would make a fucking long shot. And you got the luckiest. Yeah. And knowing what I know about Leo Zagami, I'm inclined towards the latter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, that's a million typewriters, a million chimpanzee situation where I mean, yeah, technically somebody could have made that prediction and it could have come true. But if that's, if that's like real and he made

that prediction and it came true, that is not convincing to me that he has good sources, but it's enough to make me like, I got to track all of his other predictions because if he has like a good track record and that is among his hits, that's very, very interesting. That's very serious. Considering almost all of his other predictions of shit, he took credit for 9-11 and said he was Jesus and claims to have created a cult based on the movie, The Matrix. Yeah, he did. And I'm going to go ahead and say this is something he created as a part of his fictionalized backstory and Alex has bit hook, line and sinker in the present day, but he had no idea here in 2013. That does always make me think of the reality that with the infinite number of possibilities

and probabilities in the universe, it is entirely possible for one person to live their entire life and have every prediction that they've ever made come true. And it just be a coincidence. And it just be a coincidence. And I think about how miserable you, miserable you would be if you were that person. It would be the worst feeling in the world. Yeah. Yeah. What would be weird about it is if you recognized it, at some point you would probably start trying to make really fucked up predictions. Exactly. To try and ruin the streak. Exactly. Yeah. So you wouldn't have to feel like you predict everything and then when those come true. You would drive you insane. Yeah, you would probably, you'd be plagued by it. Oh yeah, it'd be a nightmare. Yeah, but I think

everybody who like, you know, there are people who have better luck, let's say. Yeah. Things tend to go their way. I think a lot of them are kind of unhappy about that. Yeah. There is something about losing that makes you feel more in control of your life. Well, you have to call upon a lot of resources within yourself. Exactly. And you don't have to do that when the road is really easy. Yeah. And if you're getting every one of your predictions right, you won't think, oh, I'm so brilliant. You'll think that you're a captive of some sort of larger fate. Yeah. You know what? Alex probably does think that about himself. That actually probably is true. Holy shit. Yeah. He's so miserable. He's wrong all the time, but he, his brain is so narcissistic that he,

he, he transforms bad predictions into correct predictions. Yeah. That's bananas. Yeah. I mean, we, yeah. So on this, this next clip, Alex gets back to the, the white, white narrative. White. White. And he makes a statement that I'm gonna, I'm gonna say in advance, I'm very against this statement. The whole war on terror, as I warned you for the last 11 years is about gun owners, constitutionalists, returning veterans. And now, and I already saw this in the training stuff two years ago, and I told you, white al-Qaeda, and they're now announcing whites are terrorist and whites will probably show up local presidents and asked to be put in prisons and asked for the state to work their kids to death and slave camps. I mean, you know, the average American,

rather than, I mean, whites know they're bad. Whites know they're the ultimate evil on earth. Whites are the source of all evil. The media tells us that. And so this is a good thing that, that the, the ADL and Southern Barbary Law Center and LA Times and a bunch of the publications are saying whites are terrorist. I can read the quote for you again. Period. I agree with that. What a little, I mean, to use his own terms, a loser little titty baby. No kidding. Like, this is a soft, soft man. Like, if you're that shaken by that, that means you either have just the thinnest skin imaginable or you are really worried. Yeah, it's one of the two. Like, it's either you're the most sensitive person in the world. You can't handle any form of criticism,

or you are keenly aware of the world that you are surrounded by the right wing militia world. You recognize how volatile, how dangerous those people are. You like that about them. Yeah. And you need to defend against it. It's one of the two. And I, I, my gut tells me it's both, but more of the latter. Yeah. Well, because Alex can't not be aware of the minute man. Oh, of course, not be aware of all of the, the, the militias that have existed from the 70s, 60s and 70s, and then the resurgence in the 90s. He cannot not be aware of the order. Absolutely. He cannot know about these groups. He can't not know, like, fucking, one of his big sponsors, Larry Pratt, from Gun Owners of America, was at the fucking

Rocky Mountain rendezvous. Yeah. Like, it's, it's insane that he would, to imagine that he isn't aware of that. I can't think it's all fake. It's, it's absurd. Well, the thing that makes me agree with the latter being true more than anything else is, just like we talked about before with his support of Trump is it is, he's a, he was all about like, oh, freedom, all that stuff, because it could happen to whites. And then once you remove that backstop, none of it matters. Yep. So that to me makes it so clear, so clear that it's the latter. Cause that behavior probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't the latter. Absolutely. So Alex talks about the LA Times a little bit more, and he's embellishing it, just completely lying about what this article says.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have breaking news at prisonplanet.com and infowars.com right now dealing with the LA Times headline. Peril from Patriots LA Times announces white men are terrorists. And they just say being white inherently is terrorism. I read the quote over and over again. It is unbelievable. And I told you forever that this was coming. In fact, so that I mean, it's just, I don't, I don't know what else to say about it. It's just a white fragility, white victimhood, desperation to validate those feelings because they move product and they keep people in this world. Right. Do you know what he will never do, but would reveal everything? Define white. Oh, you know, I actually think you would

love to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Privately, you would be very clear. Very definite what white is. I think Rob do knows full well what Alex thought. Alex's thoughts on that are behind not all there. No, no, never. It would be very telling. It would tell the whole story. Probably. So Alex got stood up by James O'Keeffe, but someone else from Project Veritas calls in, which is what I hope every woman who agreed to go out on a date with O'Keeffe did. So he, this other guy from Project Veritas comes on and I don't respect him enough to know his name. So I don't remember what it was. Other guy from Project Veritas mad that there's even one guy. Yeah. So he shows up and the video that they put out is about going to police

departments and having discussions with cops where you say like, okay, so if I call the police, they're going to take three minutes to respond to my house. Yeah. What am I supposed to do if someone's breaking into my house? Like if there is a threat, they're like, well, you call the police. What do I do in that two to three minutes? Well, they want the police to say, well, kill the person. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they want. And that's not a conversation you're ever going to have with a police officer. At least I hope not. It seems like a, well now it seems like a weird thing for them to endorse. Here's what I'd say. I don't want the cops to ever give the message that like, we really want you to go ahead and kill people ahead of time. Just it, you know, because if

that's the case, then why call the cops? Yeah, I don't want a cop to say what you should do is take the law into your own hands. Now somebody who has said that is of course Sheriff David Clark. Yes. Who should be removed from earth? I don't think that there's anything in like just entirely wrong with saying it's wise to be able to defend yourself in situations when appropriate law enforcement can't make it. Yeah. You know, I don't think that I don't think that there's anything people who are responsible about it, having a gun at home for protection. I don't think that there's anything implicitly wrong with that. I think there would be something dangerous about police on the job saying, well, fucking shoot people. Yeah. I think it sends the wrong message.

I think it's even more dangerous when police off the job say that because they sure probably do a lot. Sure. Yeah. I think culturally it gives a worse message if they are in uniform. Yes. Speaking as an official representative or be, or it's implied that they're an official representative. So some of these people are like, well, you get a dog. You know, like have a dog to defend you. That's fine for a cop to say, I think, whatever. That's what their Project Veritas video is. They're saying like cops say, become a victim of a crime. Get a dog. Right. Once again, Project Veritas is shitty at their job, but it fools just enough white crazy conservatives who want to believe it no matter what. Yeah. So Alex is interviewing a dumb, dumb two from over at Project

Veritas. And he's making that argument that like we went in and we were talking about it. It's like, it's, it's all about being able to defend yourself in that two minutes before the police show up. That's the entire defense that this video's existence relies on. And Alex, because he is such a fucking idiot and a violent person who fetishizes the idea of shooting somebody. Oh, absolutely. He can't keep it together. And he immediately invalidates their entire argument for this video. These, these officers, and again, there's no fault of their own. This is, this is just the reality that's put in front of them. We, what we didn't show is that we've asked them multiple times, you know, what do we do when X happens? And they go, oh, you should call 911.

And then we said, okay, but what about if someone's breaking down my door and, you know, they're trying to rob me? Oh, just call 911. Well, I get that, you know, we're going to call 911. But in the time between, you know, you get that, well, you got to call the police. It took in some of these instances, speaking to police officers five times to repeat the same question before they understood even the concept that we were saying, look, we've established that you're on your way. How do I defend myself? And that's when you get these inexplicable explanations like throw some ammonia and throw some bleach out and get it, get it. Well, listen, let me just say something here. People see, you know, you see these

houses that say we don't dial 911, see these signs outside houses and they don't get robbed. If somebody's breaking in my house or somebody came to my office trying to mass shooting, I'm not going to waste time calling 911 until I've killed them. I'm going to get the gun. I'm going to go like a robot and I'm going to instinctively shoot into their center of mass from as best to cover as I can get. And it's just automatic. I am going to dissociate and kill a man. Wow. I mean, like the whole point of the video really relies on the pretense of we are trying to do everything possible. Not to kill a man. Exactly. And you are revealing that the whole reason we're making this specious bad faith argument

is because we really want to kill a man. I will not even call the police before I kill the guy. Yeah. Yeah. Alex, Alex, the quiet part isn't supposed to be the loud part. Well, it's not I mean, I don't, I don't know if it's, it's quiet or loud in this case, but what it is is absolutely like undercutting the intended propaganda that, uh, that project Veritas was trying to present, which I find hilarious in an interview that it's, it's pretty, it's pretty nice to see. It is. It is almost like he just said, why did you make this video? Who's this for? Because anybody who believes that I, what I believe would have already killed the man. Yeah. Jesus. So Alex goes into overdrive on this episode, but only does about five minutes of overdrive, which I thought was

really weird because he's like, I'm going to go into overdrive and like, Oh God, I got another half hour of this hour. So listen to, he does it. And most of it is this, which is an impression, which I hadn't heard him do. I don't think it's terrible. Okay. I think it's in the neighborhood of what he's trying to do. It's a McGruff, the crime dog. Okay. Watch what you talk about, bud. Nevermind. I honestly think that he's in and out of the impression. I think there are a couple of moments where it's pretty decent. And then other points where he's very close to his penny wise impression. There's, there it, it's, it's not as good as I remember it. I apologize for saying that,

but there are moments where he hits just the right tone. Do you know what he did do though? A really great impression of a bad guy from like a Humphrey Bogart movie whenever he was, it's closer to that when he was like in the, in the Maltese Falcon, I could totally hear that voice for sure. Definitely. Yeah. He's not done with the PSA. Okay. That's right. LA Times announces white men are the terrorist. And I say good. And since I'm McGruff, the crime dog, I happen to be white in a white spot. Wait, is it? You know what, I'm reporting to a local force labor FEMA camp to show everybody that I can be trusted. Help take a bite out of the second amendment and the rest of the Bell rights. John Wayne and George Washington

a trash. Sovietism is good. That's right. Now say tongues who I like. Help take a bite out of liberty. This message brought to you by DHS and Mr. Napolitano. Haha. Oh boy. Fun. That was in a word coherent. I would also like to recommend everybody out there if you haven't go listen to McGruff, the crime dogs album. It's hot. It's good stuff. Did he come out with an album? Yeah, he made an album, but like not doing drugs. Oh, I think I'm aware of shit. I think I forced you to listen to. Yeah, you did. Now I remember. Yeah. Yeah, it is pretty good. It's pretty hilarious. So when I heard that, like that's Alex goes, he went into overdrive to do a minute long impression of McGruff doing a PSA right about the white people being terrorists. I was like,

we are entering a white identity season on Alex's show. I got the real strong sense that like, we got this. It's like the next couple of days, probably next week at least is going to be Alex going out of his way to find any way to make stories about this. Yeah. This is going to be what it's all about. Right. White identity protection. White people cannot do wrong and they're unfairly maligning us as if we were not white people. Right. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. And it'll just be like, I'm going to choose the thinnest bullshit in order to like make these stories. Yeah. And I was not surprised at all when I turned on the 14th. And that's exactly what we got. And now they've got universities and in groups, if you want to basically get your tuition

or get your scholarship, you've got a sign on to agree to go under Southern Property Law Center written manuals and Aaron Dykes covered this last time. I'm going to have him in today with their actual printouts in Wisconsin, other states, whites are to wear a white armband or wristband like Jews wearing yellow stars to show your evil. And then you quote, have a minority who is really the majority worldwide and are the majority in the U S follow you around and tell you how bad you are. It actually says that. It actually says that. I really don't think it does, Dan, because anybody who designed that fucking exercise wouldn't even be trying to accomplish the goal. I guess they're trying to set out for it. You know, yeah, this

is just a white identity shit going through the roof. Yeah, escalating. I get crazy. Not only is Alex lying about that LA Times story that he's pretending, you know, that proves that they, in quotes, are saying that all white people are terrorists. Now he's come across a story of white people being forced to wear bracelets just like the Jews and be followed around by non whites who yell at them about how bad they are. I found the Aaron Dykes story that Alex is basing this reporting on and the shit is weak. According to info wars and their primary source on this, which is CNS news, the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction held a seminar and was encouraging people in their VISTA program to take steps to consider how their their being white puts them

in a privileged position in society. One of the examples is to wear a wristband, which would allow conversations to happen when people ask you why you're wearing a wristband. This seems like a shitty plan in the post lives strong era since I don't think anyone is going to see a wristband to be like, Hey, what's going on with that strange accessory? Cannot imagine that happening. Yeah, bananas. VISTA stands for volunteers in service to America and it's part of AmeriCorps. Presumably since this was involved with the Department of Public Instruction, these were people who were volunteering to help with school and library based things because that's what the DPI is about. So for one, all of these people are volunteers. Even if the bullshit that Alex is saying is

true, there still wouldn't be forced to do any of it. Thankfully, none of the things he's saying are true at all. So it's kind of a moot point. Here are some of the things that are not true that Alex said in that clip, which he has not proven in any way and is just making up. He's saying that universities and groups, that's what the Unibob are called it, right? Sure. They're forcing people to do this to get their tuition. This is a volunteer program. And even if it were a prerequisite of getting a scholarship, if the person who was in it felt that the PC demands of the program were too much for them, they could still get their volunteerism requirement fulfilled by taking another opportunity. Or if they had a problem with it, they could complain to their

volunteer coordinator or supervisor, which is strangely not a part of the story in any way. There's no indication that anyone who went to the seminar was complaining about this at all. The only people who are mad about it seem to be right wing pundits with sketchy histories on race issues. So it's almost like they went looking for something that would fit the narrative they wanted. It's almost like that. It's almost like that. It's really close to being like that. The manuals were written by the SPLC. That's another claim that Alex is making. Neither Alex nor any of the reporting on his website proves this in any way. The manuals were written by a non-profit called the Beyond Diversity Resource Center. And I can find no connection between them and the SPLC.

Alex has created this completely false narrative about the SPLC running Elohim City and planning the Oklahoma City bombing in order to make patriots look bad, which is helpful to help create the appearance that all white terrorism is fake. But this is the second use for that narrative. Anytime there's a social justice type organization, Alex can immediately neutralize whatever position they make by claiming they're mixed up with the SPLC. It doesn't matter if they are or not. None of his listeners are going to check. What's important is smearing them so their ideas and information aren't even considered. And whatever horrible shit you're going to make up about them becomes completely believable. They're mixed up with the people who tried to smear whites by

doing the Oklahoma City bombing. Boom. You could just invalidate any kind of social justice. Yeah, that's pretty much all you have to do. And also Alex claims that these are their printouts. Alex is playing really fast and loose here. Whose printouts is he implying this or R? Kinkos. Is it AmeriCorps that he's blaming? Is it the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction? Is it the SPLC? When you try to trace down the actual document from InfoWars, you end up on CNS News. And then you eventually find the site where it was originally posted, which is still hyperlinked on their websites. It takes you to a PDF that kindly explains to you that quote, The document previously available via this URL is no longer here. It was not a VISTA document,

nor a Wisconsin DPI document. The file that had been here was a document included in a resource packet offered to VISTA volunteers as they left a training session. The document was not referenced in that training, and the training session was conducted by individuals external to DPI and VISTA. Unfortunately, misconceptions and misinformation about the document are being spread by an out of state entity that has no connection with the public schools in Wisconsin. To be absolutely clear, no DPI official has asked, requested, or encouraged any school district educator or student to wear any wristband, and none of our VISTA volunteers have had any children put on any wristbands. Again, no DPI official nor any VISTA volunteer has used, requested,

or encouraged anyone in the school to use a wristband activity as reported in quotes and shared by external groups. This is the point that I made on the Wednesday episode, in that we are absolutely complicit in the rise of right wing terrorism, because do you know what? They went out of their fucking way bending over backwards for these fucks who came up with this bullshit bad faith argument to the point where they write this statement that's still up there six fucking years later, or whatever it is, still linked up there. Do you know what should be up there? Here's the fucking document and fuck you, Alex Jones. That's what should be up there. Here's the thing. I fully support considering these bullshit criticisms.

Absolutely consider them. Absolutely. If somebody is criticizing you and they have a good point, it doesn't matter what side of the aisle they're on, consider their bullshit. But this is bad faith lies and you don't need to come up with some like, oh, we don't support the view and this was all of that. Fuck you, Alex Jones is what should be there and here's what was there. That's what we should be fucking doing. But I also think that it's important that this is there because it is a kind of a own on CNS news and info wars. Their information now links to a page that explains that this was a misinformation. For sure. And people who believe what Alex is saying aren't going to believe that PDF now. Nope. So it is. It should say fuck you. It should. That's what it

should say. But that would be unbecoming of these state organizations and it would probably be that would cause because these people like Alex are opportunistic in such a way like that would cause even more problems. Right. But it doesn't matter. They're going to find new problems to cause problems about. You're not wrong. At a certain point, you have to stop saying we can't agitate them anymore because then they'll get more agitated. They're already accelerating over and over and over again, regardless of how much we bend over backwards. I agree. I agree. I definitely think that that is an important point. And I also think that. Sorry for being yet. No, I think you're I think you're fine. I think you're you make a good point. I just think that there is also a

qualification that needs to be made that like there is still just because whatever you do, they're going to behave the same way. These propagandists and these these folks are going to do it. Whether you give them ammunition or not, they'll create their own ammunition. Absolutely. That still needs to be tempered with a little bit of like, well, that doesn't give carte blanche to just behave. However, for sure. That's what I'm saying. We need to be a little bit restrained. And like, I'm not thrilled with the idea of these organizations that are about like getting handicap accessible ramps for schools, like behaving in the way you and I might, you know, like saying, go fuck yourself out. Totally understand. I think it would be fun to see it once, maybe

in the same way that like, I don't know, RBS will tell someone to fuck them off on Twitter. You know, like, it's like, ah, isn't that. Look at you. RBS good on you to get a little thrill out of that. But I do think that it might be it might be a step backwards in terms of some. I know, I don't I don't disagree with you. I 100 actually, I 100% agree with you. The the only thing is it is it can't be a we can't accommodate them. Right. I absolutely want them to have that statement of like, hey, this is a complete disinformation campaign. What they did is lie about us and be blood to death. They did. They did. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm just saying that it needs to be it needs to be far more direct. I think that it's just the thing where it's like, you need to

have people focusing on these propaganda outlets like us and institutions protecting themselves simultaneously in order to have a full spectrum of protection. That's a far better way of putting it perhaps because we don't have to worry about, you know, if we start telling people to go fuck themselves, we're not at risk of losing state funding that will hurt libraries. No, that's true. So that is true. Yeah, there could be consequences for people who are vulnerable. Right. Like they're helping disadvantaged children in Wisconsin. Right. But at the same time, isn't that part of the issue to begin with? Sure. Telling a right wing troll brigade to fuck off could fuck with your funding as opposed to the right wing troll brigade. That is a bigger

issue there as well. I don't disagree. Yeah. It's I just the only reason I have any I'm not disagreeing with you, but the only reason I'm bringing this in is because it's more complicated than what we would like to see. Of course. No, I think we're actually 100% agreeing with each other. We're just adding these different layers of the complexity behind it, which is what right wing troll brigades cannot do. No, they refuse to. Yeah. And I'll add an extra layer of complexity. How dare you. I've seen the document itself and I don't think that there's anything really wrong with it. The document that was put out by the Beyond Diversity Resource Center that was given to people as they left this thing, this meeting seminar that wasn't even being run by DPI or Vista.

Yeah. Some of the suggestions are a little bit cheesy, but in the same way that any corporate seminar type of document is going to be, like I would say that some of them might not be the most productive suggestions. Right. And if Alex wanted to make that kind of criticism, I really don't think there would be that big of a deal. Like if you were to make an argument of like, they're telling people to wear bracelets in order to have conversations that will be started by the bracelet about my privilege. Right. You could have a conversation that's not racist and white identity in nature about how like, that's kind of a hokey idea. Yeah. That's kind of the idea that someone running a corporate seminar might come up with that really doesn't address the problem. Yeah. It

just seems like it might. How can we give the appearance of addressing it without ever actually doing anything? Right. You could have a conversation. You could attack this document on that front and still be on fairly solid grounds. I think the bigger issue though is that you see something, you see how something so small, something so localized and minor can be spun by Alex and his community into some complete government sanctioned SPLC run attack on white people, which is white supremacy in action. Like what they're doing, that is what's going on. And to clarify, the document doesn't say you have to have a minority follow you around and tell you how bad you are. That's not in the document. No, I don't think it would be one of

their suggestions for reminders about addressing the privilege status that you hold in society were you to be, you happen to be white is quote, find a person of color who's willing to hold you accountable for addressing privilege. There's a slight difference there. And I also think that that's a bad suggestion. It kind of puts the onus on this accountability partner, which I'm I feel a little weird about. It looks like every part of this puts the onus on discussing race on other people coming to you or or something. Well, there's parts of it that Alex isn't talking about that are about reflection. Okay, you know, like about like thoughts, yeah, thoughts to have and to explore. And then some of the other suggestions are like put a note on your computer screen.

So that's not quite being racist. Yeah, exactly. Quit it. But like, I think that that suggestion is kind of like, it's it is weird to be like, I'm going to go find a person of color that I can have keep me accountable. No, that's really on someone else. Strange. Yeah. But as the way it's phrased, it's a person of color who is willing. Yeah. So I don't exclude the possibility that that person might exist, right, and not think it's insulting for me to come to them be like, Hey, can you? Am I being racist right now? Oh, hell yeah, you are. Okay. Thank you. I will stop doing that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think anybody, I don't think the Southern Poverty Law Center is like, here's what we do. We take a book out of game. We take a page out of Game of

Thrones and we have people of color follow white people. Shame. Shame. Shame. Here's the SPLC didn't do. Let's somehow subcontract an organization that we're not involved in at all to make a print out that ends up being handed out to people at one seminar that's not even being run by the Wisconsin, the DPI or the Vista program or AmeriCorps. Yeah. That's how we'll stick it to the whites. It's crazy. It's just crazy. That is crazy. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that CNS News is owned by the Media Research Center, which is a conservative propaganda outlet that has received tons of funding from the Bradley Foundation, the Skafe Foundation, and ExxonMobil, thanks to their climate denial. They are not a good source of information. It is a straight-up

right-wing misinformation campaign operation. And that's where Alex is pulling for the beginning of the story. That's his source for the Infowars article. And so that's where we're at. Right. This is just the thinnest fucking worst white victimhood type bullshit. But it's what you expect. You start to see this narrative and this season taking shape. The last season was before Alex went on vacation. It was all star fuckery. It was all just like, I'm getting big name people on here. We're having celebrities. It's going to be awesome. Right. And now he comes back and I get the very strong sense that it is going to be a lot of white identity issues. Great. You know how we love talking about those. We're getting used to it. So Alex, I want to be clear.

I'm going to play this clip and it doesn't include the part of the clip where Alex does explicitly say that Hitler was bad. But he does. He does say that Hitler is bad. He says that he's a psychopath and bad. He is also a complete badass as we all know. And a stud. And a stud along with solid. It's less important. But I guess it is important that I do qualify that Alex isn't saying this as unchecked praise for Hitler. Right. But he does spend a little bit of time on his show praising Hitler. That's bad. Can I say Hitler had a lot of courage? I mean, he was, he had a Congressional Medal of Honor. That was the equivalent. He had the Iron Cross first class. That's the Congressional Medal of Honor. They only handed out a handful

of those in World War One. That's why everybody followed Hitler because he was a big war hero. So you really don't have to give it up to the Somali pirates. You don't have to give it up to Hitler. You don't have to give it up to Hitler. So while it's true that Adolf Hitler was awarded the Iron Cross first class in the First World War, it's Nazi propaganda that painted him as a war hero when reality does not back that up. One of the problems of sorting out the reality of Hitler's military history in World War One is that no one knew who he was. No one knew he was going to become Hitler back then. So there aren't intricate records of his life as a normal run of the mill soldier. What was known is that he was a runner during the war and that he was awarded the

Iron Cross first class. So those two facts were accepted to mean that he was the sort of message carrier who ran across the front lines a dodged machine gun fire to get the orders where they needed to be. That is not true. There are two varieties of runners in the German military in World War One. There were those who were on the front lines carrying orders through dangerous terrain and office workers who delivered messages between the offices in the regimental headquarters far away from the fighting. Hitler was the second kind of runner during the war. Historians have noted that it's likely that he was given the first class award after a battle where messengers were particularly important and it was likely that his inclusion in the award recipients

was the result of him having close association with the higher ranked officers due to him being stationed inside the headquarters. Alex is confusing things also about how many Iron Cross first class medals were given out. He's thinking of the highest ranking the Grand Cross of which only 19 were ever given out. Between 1870 and 1918 5.7 million Iron Cross first and second class medals were given out and while the second class ones were definitely more commonly awarded the first class weren't some kind of super rare thing. Some numbers I've seen to put the number of recipients at about 165,000 which would be just short of 10 of them being awarded every day between 1870 and 1918. Alex is making these comments in the he's making them in the context of a

rant that he's doing about how Hitler's evil but it's also he's saying that he's super brave. It's supposed to be making some kind of point that I'm not actually sure what point he hoped to make I'm to be honest but it really highlights something that I think is super fucked up. Alex Jones believes Nazi versions of history. It really like it was part of Hitler's propaganda that he was a war hero and it was an essential piece of his appeal to the people and a lot of the German public believed it. By the time Alex is on air here in 2013 historians and researchers had debunked this myth and yet here Alex is still preaching to his audience about the positive parts of Hitler. This is a trend. It's not just an isolated incident. Alex is very inclined to believe

Nazi propaganda. Between this the stuff about the Hitler was set up, the peace treaty, the Rothschild share at Waterloo, him directly taking the story that was amplified and put into its sort of canonical form by a Goebbels film. There's a lot of Nazi history that's revisionist not based on reality that Alex accepts whole cloth as real and that's that's disturbing. Yeah when you say because we've we've heard him say it a million times but when you say you've read a hundred books on World War II right how many that there aren't a hundred books on World War II that don't include 30 books at least of Nazi propaganda. It seems like it would be likely yeah like there's there's no way that at least some of his information isn't coming from a and even if he's even if he's doing his best

job to to critically analyze it which is not possible for him. It seems out of his character. Yeah his best job is impossible but even then some of those stories if you're reading a hundred different books on World War II might seep through yeah might just seep in and you know I've got all of the correct history up but for some reason there is this one story that's only in this one Nazi propaganda and it might sound really good and it sounds so good and there's a good quote from Thomas Jefferson in there. Sure 100% yeah yeah it's lore yeah it's Nazi lore. Exactly yeah and he loves lore. Yeah I'll get I'll let him off the hook a tiny bit just because you brought up the books on this one because a lot of people didn't actually look through the records enough to figure out what

kind of runner Hitler was right until fairly recent to this episode yeah like it's not like it's something that's been a part of scholarship for 50 years and Alex has just written that off yeah so it's entirely possible that the books that he had read were based on bad information and inaccurate incomplete history so there's a chance that he had read in a book of Hitler's heroics. Yeah no that's entirely possible but when the and it wouldn't be wrong for those books to reflect that possibly but history had more information added to it and people then realized that that's just a part of Hitler's PR campaign and it's upon Alex to at that point recognize that and update his positions which he has not done. People hate when history is updated yeah they despise like you know who

doesn't? Historians. Yeah exactly they kind of love it. Yeah it's really interesting. Think about how furious people were that Pluto stopped being considered a planet and compare that to how much white nationalists. I think a lot of that was a meme. White nationalists Nazis hate being a fucking hate the idea that Hitler wasn't a hero. Yeah it's tough stuff for those guys I feel for them. Shout out guys. You gotta give it up to the Nazis who are struggling with finding out that their hero wasn't a hero. So at this point in the episode Alex gets back to this narrative about the handout that was given that says that white people need to wear bracelets and find a minority to yell at them. He updates this narrative and now extends

it. You can see that he has taken the kernel that he's already established and now is embellishing upon that theme in order to make it far more universal than it actually is. Universities all over the United States are telling whites that they're inherently evil and bad and making them wear white armbands to symbolize that they're bad and having them agree under AmeriCorps and they have to agree them to get their tuition to be followed quote by a minority to explain to them how inherently bad it is to be white. So you see the the evolution here. This is now become universities all across the country are forcing white people to do this in order to get their tuition forcing them. You've got to have that minority follow you around and yell at you.

I told you that this was very racist and it's not like he's dropping n words around or anything but you see what I'm talking about like this is deeply deeply racist stuff that he's he's engaging in. Absolutely. It was almost shocking to me like the consistency with which he's he's dipping into this right and I'll be honest I did not take a ton of clips from the 14th that were like would have been illuminating of this this racism because it's stuff he says all the time yeah but it's just he brings it all in almost like a tornado of racism all of these disparate parts of his narratives and his just talking points that we've heard a hundred times Margaret Sanger wants to kill black people abortion is about killing black people like just

all of this stuff it all like the March 14th episode is just all of that just like he's shooting an AK yeah just a semi-automatic blast of like racist talking point racist talking point it's that kind of thing where if you heard a four hour radio show and you heard one of those things where you're like wait is that a racist talking point maybe you know you can you can blow by it but if it's if it's all there there's just no other conclusion you can come to yeah it's just not possible it's uh and it's it's all over the place on this 14th episode I consider think I I considered like maybe just taking like getting all the clips yeah and being overkill yeah yeah yeah we're just gonna run a super cut for this entire episode of Alex being a racist piece

of shit but I realized there wasn't a ton of value in that and if anybody wants to listen to that whole episode and bask in all of the things we've already talked about that make Alex a racist yeah enjoy I thought I would focus more on the things that are new to this yeah um that live within that context um I think that's a better use of our time yeah it is one of those so the the thing about it that I think of when talking about a show or an entertainment show or a new show or anything of that value is naturally we have said that Alex is a racist a lot and I can understand why it would get boring or why it would feel repetitive but it can never not be mentioned it has to be consistently mentioned over and over and over again because you can't for a moment forget and I don't think we do

a good enough job about that uh maybe just because it comes up when it's earned you know like when he is right and it lives in the background of our show like there's not a moment where at least since like I don't know a couple months into doing the podcast yeah I was a little resistant to uh call him a racist without like good evidence yeah at the beginning but like since then like it exists it's overwhelming I think we've refined our position on it too like in terms of the things that uh he gives us clues about like it's not just a specific racism it's a it's a white identity based yeah worldview Christian identity dominionist ideas absolutely so um one of the things I wish you talked about more is that there's a new fucking pope like it seems like massive world news

massive yeah it how many Catholics are there's tons of them around the world billions there's so many Catholics I don't know if there's billions but like a billion people affected by uh the new pope billions non-Catholics are affected by hell yeah it becomes a huge political story like there's so many angles too and if you stop to reflect on the fact that it's that one dude being elected by 20 weird dudes wearing red shit is gonna change the world it's wild it's interesting as a story it's it's compelling it's news it's incomprehensible as a human way of life it touches Alex's world he should have known who the new pope was going to be for sure based on yeah um so I was really disappointed that he doesn't really cover it much this is most of his coverage uh this is sort of the

tone of it and it's kind of dismissive even okay continuing uh the new pope pope Francis the first Latin American first Jesuit well that'll add to all the theories the Jesuits really run the catholic church and the first pope Francis to lead the world's Catholics Alex is almost dismissive of the conspiracies about the Jesuits running the catholic church and being involved in new world order stuff which he does believe now you know I have way halfway expected they would be like that'll feel the fire of Jesuits thinking that they were on the when everybody knows it's the Jews and you're like wait what I don't I don't I don't understand why he's so I mean I do understand why he's so dismissive of this because it's not part of his

narratives yeah right the osugami hasn't come around and given him that upgrade right that has worked to be done he doesn't have a guy with an Italian accent yeah so that's most of it he's like oh we got this South American Jesuit that's gonna make people in the conspiracy worlds freak out great analysis Alex that's most of it so the guy who wrote the article for Alex yeah about this wristband issue is uh Aaron Dykes one of his uh one of his employees I don't think he's still there I'm not sure I'm not sure if he's one of the people who hates Alex now or not there's a lot of his ex-employees don't seem to like him and the others seem to respect their not disclosure agreements right right don't think there's a lot of happy ex-employees right other than maybe Joe

Biggs Rambo Joe Biggs good for him might be the only person who has been fired by inforrs and still like I'm carrying the torch congrats you piece of shit um so uh Aaron Dykes comes on to talk about this article that he's written and man he is like he displays some incredibly racist positions that I think are good context clues as to why he wrote the article that he wrote quite frankly and here's the first one and they have studied psychology and specifically applied it to their rulership and they're punching our buttons with race issues that's what they're doing the the real racism has mainly died out at least in my generation everybody was friends with everybody is very cosmopolitan very diverse at least in my school that was phase one I know it's

not like that everywhere but that's phase one I was really disappointed that Alex doesn't explain what phase one is he doesn't say what phase two is is just him interrupting him by saying that's phase one that's phase one right I don't know what that implies well actually you saying that he doesn't explain what phase one is is phase two confusion is phase yeah exactly um so Aaron Dykes is expressing that uh the globalists they have this this whole system in place and when they bring up race issues they're pushing our buttons right they're pushing white people's buttons right now simultaneously that is also inexplicably phase three sure and also they're pushing other races buttons through things like civil rights right right right they hate that so whenever there's

social justice causes like let's say uh black people saying police should stop killing us and right uh targeting us unjustly and and disproportionately Dan you just saying that is making me racist black people aren't saying that the globalists are saying that on behalf of black people right and that's pushing black people's buttons right so they are more uh you get what I'm saying yeah yeah convoluted nonsense yeah argument anyway yeah this next clip is one of my favorite things in the world okay Alex gets into talking about his dad okay now we know this from listening to Alex as much as we do Alex's dad was one of the smartest people in Texas um and the globalists tried to recruit him absolutely they took him into a meeting and they tried to

recruit him back when he was younger of course and Alex retells that story here sitting with Aaron Dykes okay and uh this is really great because Alex probably gets too specific oh no and I have figured out some things but but the side issue when they called my dad in uh you know when he was when he was still in high school a junior when he was brought to UT to be tested with all these kids and then he was out of hundreds you know just a few they brought in and it was we're going to carry out eugenics you're the elite you like that idea and by the way this didn't like Hitler the head of the body department was running a professor spear I'm Jewish he said this isn't like Hitler we're going after everybody that's inferior my dad was like yeah but he still went

to UT later but then got out all that he was never really in it but you know it was well you went there you know about it yeah and looking back at UT there's a lot of creepy professors and agendas going on go fuck yourself Dykes so Alex should know better than to use real names yeah that'll get him into trouble that makes what was once a fanciful story about how cool Alex dad is into a crime Alex is referring to Dr. Dr. Irwin Spear who taught in the botany and biology departments at UT Austin from 1953 to 1994 I've read some reviews from students uh they were posted in the alumni magazines and from everything I can tell about him he sounds like a great teacher from a 2011 interview with someone who took his class 40 years prior it made such an impression

on it that he's singled this uh Irwin Spear out as like an important teacher quote he inspired us he was a very difficult teacher but he made it very easy to have appointments with him to discuss anything we didn't understand and his exams I think it was the first time that I was taking exams where you had to really think you didn't just regurgitate information Dr. Spear was so challenging and yet so stimulating and started many of us on the right road to how to study how to prepare for exams and how to appreciate what we were learning that's why I stuck with medical technology with organic chemistry that's a great teacher right there someone who changes people's lives with learning I know from Alex's dad's dental license that he was born in 1950

so you'd have to be about 17 when this meeting allegedly happened right because he's still in high school a junior a junior would be 17 or roughly roughly so that would be 1967 well I happened to find a copy of an article from the Austin Daily Texan from March 20th 1968 where they talked to Irwin Spear and his title is listed as quote associate professor of botany also from a copy of the ut student publication the alcalde from october 1964 also lists him as an associate professor in biology so from 1964 to 1968 he was an associate professor of biology or sorry botany associate professors are typically professors that are on the tenure track working their way towards becoming full professors at an academic institution they've paid their dues as an assistant

professor and now they're in that middle step before they're given tenure there's absolutely no shame in being an associate professor even if you're for a long time because it's a super competitive rank to achieve at most top to your schools and UT Austin is not a bad school I point all this out because that's the position that Dr. Irwin Spear would have to have been in when Alex's dad would have been the age he's supposed to have had this completely not true meeting with there's literally zero reason to believe that the globalists are having associate professors working their way towards their tenure take a little break from their scholastic duties to try and recruit high schoolers into their nefarious eugenics plot to put this plainly this story

is accusing a specific person of being involved in a plot against humanity it's a conspiracy and Irwin Spear in this the story Alex is telling is trying to recruit people with the specific goal of committing genocide and crimes against humanity I'm not I'm sure Alex feels like he's safe because Irwin Spear died in 2002 but still this is some shady shit Alex is doing this story absolutely didn't happen there's no way there's no way associate professor Irwin Spear is uh taking time to like hey hey David Jones future dentist I'm gonna try and enlist you in my globalist eugenics plot you know it's like Hitler but I'm not like Hitler I'm Jewish it's totally cool we're gonna get everybody Dan you're way off on this one of course it's him because

he's the least likely person for whom it could be such bullshit such bullshit if anyone cared Alex could easily be sued for this yeah this is slander yeah unfortunately this isn't a present day episode so the statute of limitations is over like 2013 him slandering him that's it's like too late now it's like two years max on various circumstances for what slander can be can be charged with so Alex isn't the clear here but if he wasn't I would fucking be so thrilled to get in touch with Dr. Spear yeah yeah yeah let's do this hey guys let's fucking nail it yeah I got your back from now on I will be keeping a very close ear on the present day episodes for Alex telling this story because if he tells this story in the present yes we will now have prior context

for who he's talking about yeah he will have committed a crime excellent you know what I bet I can find uh this story in the last two years I bet I can for sure while you're on vacation I'm digging through the archives let's let's prove let's do it an actual like hard crime yeah on somebody I agree he's accusing him of fucking genocide yeah it's insane a attempted genocide thank you conspiracy conspiracy to commit genocide yeah you shouldn't use specific names Alex don't try and impress Aaron Dykes what a fucking idiot so about five minutes on this episode maybe more a while um it's it's taken up with Alex getting a caller who accuses him of using the exact same divide and conquer strategies that he accuses the globalist of using right and Alex gets

really super defensive about it surprise um I don't I don't know if this clip is worth it I'm gonna play it anyway because I think I think there's something worthwhile in it there there there is a point to it the the point where Alex was like really defensive is minutes before this and actually before a commercial break but I think this this clip really highlights Alex kind of losing it like this guy is making decent criticism of him and not doing it aggressively just saying like hey I think this is right I think this is a that you know you should know that you say that all of these uh you know the the globalists do divide and conquer but I listen to you and I hear you dividing people into groups right and then further the guy's other criticism is like you

just try and like you use fear mongering all the time yeah that so the guy is just being accurate totally yeah totally um and so here's Alex's uh a bit of his response to it I think the biggest reason that I I I think it's worthwhile to play this is that it demonstrates how confronting Alex even when you're correct is not worth it uh so let's go ahead and go back to Brian uh Brian tell me how I fear monger or tell me how I divide and conquer again I don't I don't want to upset you Alex you're not upsetting me tell me please please I'm really upset man but prior to this he was very upset he says he says the man who is upset I'm not mad I'm not mad at you I will I will all I'm saying is I I think that the entire uh production team sits around probably and says what can we

talk about and underlying all of that is how can we be provocative how can we stir the emotion which is a human circumstance and I'm not okay you just misrepresented well what really goes on is out of all this real sensational stuff going on what are we going to cover and and how do we hijack mindless cultural memes that don't matter and attach reality to them that's culture jamming culture hijacking we don't have enough of those meetings 90 plus percent of the time my crew can does whatever they want because I hired folks that I overall trust and and and just get it and know what's going on and sometimes I go this isn't sensational enough because we tend to water down our headlines um yeah I mean Aaron Dixon an article said has it has political correctness gone too far

making whites wear white bracelets I mean I didn't call Aaron I'm doing it now does a great job it's worse than that it's totally creating a color obsessed society instead of a color blind society I mean it's the opposite okay and and and oh my gosh I mean no you're wrong about how we run things up here okay I cannot describe how crazy things are sir I mean I mean do you want to know about the two billion bullets how is that fair mongering that's really going on and I always get to get the criticism first because I'm I mean look I told you Piers Morgan a bunch of his colleagues have been arrested now the five people under him were arrested today okay I mean Piers Morgan is a gangster and and you know it doesn't feel good to be a gangster

for my position I don't want to be a gangster but he wants to be a gangster okay I mean you know I'm here straight shooting show me money show me the proof show me the fair mongering show me the divide and conquer show me show me show me show me show me come on you hung up he dropped off show me show me show me show me I don't believe that I don't believe that I hung up no I do not believe no he absolutely did not hang up I if you're going to take the time to wait on hold and make these criticisms of Alex oh you're not going to hang up when he starts haranguing you're going to hang on in case you get a chance to respond to stuff absolutely Alex absolutely hung up on that that guy is not going to quit then right of all the time oh no Alex is made too good of a point

yeah Alex made too good of a point sure that show me show me show me yeah you know what fucking bent although I would hang up the moment somebody started chanting that me show me why fear monger okay here's why you're fear mongering and I'll give you some every single thing you every single thing you've said Jesus Christ yeah it's it what a pathetic loser little titty baby yeah he's very sensitive there's just no other way to put it he's very very sensitive yeah and that's that's something you got to understand is like you got to deal with him with kid gloves but also there's no way to do that because the level of sensitivity that he has around issues that are threatening to him yeah are just to the point where you can't

even approach without triggering that response absolutely and it's kind of it's kind of lame so Alex now for the rest of this episode kind of has it in his mind that he's like I'm being accused of fear mongering right right he got fucked up by this call a little bit really got fucked up which is kind of a sign that he got like valid criticism that he didn't know how to deal with exactly um so that that colors things as it goes on and I think it also has uh you know why he's got a you know what you know what he does what's he do goes for his security blanket oh no he finds his security blanket and that is whiskey ted anderson oh no god damn it ted anderson from mitis resources ted anderson is uh he he comes in as a guest and uh alex gives him this introduction

which is fucking hilarious you know my my gold sponsor one of the few a plus better business bureaus the biggest companies go look it up there's hardly any other gold companies that have even an a rating i can't find one that has an a plus because we get all these offers constantly and we get offers in the magazine i can't ever find a reputable gold company to to be a sponsor because ted is my exclusive on the radio but i don't have a rule to do that right of course not but i mean he's the only guy that's a plus he's been around 30 years 16 with his company mitis right by the way real quick stormfront also had a plus rating on yeah yeah how they do it there's a right the better business bureau ratings are a very uh inconsistent

oh it's the whole thing is a scam it's a it's a shakedown operation but hold on let him finish his piece here i've known the guy for 17 years he came out to visit me in austin said at my house last night we were talking to the car 1996 is when i first talked to ted anderson 17 years ago ladies and gentlemen coming up on 18 and go look better business bureau better business bureau a plus rating you can't even find that that i know of anywhere smash cut to two years later ted anderson loses his gold license because of a systematic history of defrauding customers still has an a plus rating on bvb of course he does do you know why you can pay to get an a plus rating on the bvb you know what's really interesting to me though is

like at this point in march 2013 like this is when ted is probably doing his really shady business yeah you know because no absolutely it's you know in the mid 2015 when he actually gets his license taken away and the proceedings are happening but the offense happened prior to that yeah for sure this is when he's actually taking people into frothing them yeah so what alex is doing is like really just throwing people into the ringer he's he's doing he's this is abusive do you know what's what's fun is that this is almost like his uh preemptive defense of white nationalist terror is he's going on this long diatribe about how ted anderson is so great and his gold sales are amazing all the while at least at least a little bit aware that ted anderson is a shady motherfucker

there's no doubt he's almost a hundred percent aware yeah a hundred like come on yeah he's committing all the crime so when i heard that clip i wasn't clear that it was an introduction for ted i thought it might have just been alex being like let's get a plug in here yeah i didn't realize this is just this just turns into a mitis infomercial i told him yeah uh but what's really interesting about it is because of that caller who asked alex about like you're a fearmonger he used divide and conquer right alex is really defensive about it and he needs ted to reassure him not with ted anderson he's got the best brokers the best people the ted i didn't get you here over this i wanted to get you here you know to have some other meetings with us and work on some

young jebety stuff we're doing with m4's health and uh but uh and for the nightly news but here you are i've gone into this whole rant do you think it's fearmongering ted to say they're gonna devalue the dollar gold 260 bucks get into it and 10 years later it's 1600 is that fearmongering to say there's drones there's bullets and then they said i was a liar but now it's all admitted is it fearmongering to be right ah here is the answer to that uh alex you're unprofessional also why is ted to hear to talk about young jebety issues that's another sponsor that's what i'm saying you're really implying that this is not just a sponsor this is someone you're deeply in business yeah this is you might as well be the same company it seems

very weird very very strange that is such like a alex uh i know we have a very uh difficult power balance relationship between us but in some ways i am your boss and at the very least i'm your colleague i am not here to make you feel good so shut the fuck up yes he is and we're going to sell gold no he is there to make him feel good because he kowtows entirely exactly um to alex's demands to be made feel better make me whole again after that call and uh ted is subservient and helps and you know what's really interesting i i the rest of this like uh this interview with ted anderson is largely alex bullying him and you've seen this before right like he just yells at ted whenever ted's on he'll start talking about like gold prices and alex will just start screaming at

him and just like trying to do bits yeah because he's like ted's fucking boring i need to i need to bring the heat i need to it's almost it's almost like he feels a program director's voice in his head be like pick it up pick it up this segment is falling in the context of his like the story of his mom kicking him off her knee at six years old and being like you don't got love no more so much of his relationship with ted anderson gets weirdly mommy issued as opposed to anything else like it's always like i think it's brotherly more than anything oh you think it's brotherly i think that he's treating ted like a brother like in a bullying older brother kind of way okay that's that's the that's the vibe that i get right the two of them less than mother or father

issues it's more just like uh fuck this guy he's boring and well you you know you i'm gonna give him a swirly you've listened to 10 million more hours than i have so there's not much i can yeah well i mean i might not be right but i do have a better assessment there that's the line i think um so uh you know also i think that in that clip when alex is saying like is it is it fear mongering for me to say that you know like gold is it 260 and now it's at 1600 yeah it's like 10 years later it's at 1600 that's a long time yeah second the way you sell gold is not saying eventually it will be worth 1600 you sell gold by talking about financial collapse so yes you are fear mongering even though the price of gold did rise in that decade yes that's

fine you you have steered people towards not a terrible investment if they have the money to make that investment in the long term shouldn't do with mitis but the way you sold it is fear mongering even if the end result wasn't negative absolutely that's a distinction that is important yep the other stuff is lies but that is like yes you you did fear monger people right because you knew that you weren't going to be able to sell enough gold by being like it's a sound investment if you wait a decade right you'll have a 800 return right you'd never be able to sell people on that you sell people with the markets about to collapse and then when it does dollar will be worthless and you'll be the king with gold yeah any good that's fear mongering any good financial analyst

will tell you that gambling on commodities in the short term is a brilliant idea that's what sound financial analysts tell everybody 100 gamble on short term investments in commodities and by max coin yeah absolutely so that one but but that one's as taken as red yeah uh so i i i brought up the bullying and that comes into play in this next clip like every time ted's on it just alex seems to want to beat up on him and not let him talk in very interesting ways alex is on this like whole white identity thing on these two days and so what he wants to riff on is the idea that anytime you say anything people call you racist sure and so that that's what we're seeing here that's the way he bullies ted they're in there cutting up black babies and they need to get that elk you'll get

that white supremacist operation run and they're not gonna allow me to stop it i know i know and that's the thing i'm in the black baby racist racist racist racist i guess it's not racist racist racist anyway racist racist racist yeah but it just as i was trying to say i mean we we no longer know the value of money if you go to possum if you if you respected ted anderson as a gold salesman this is a bad way to treat him this is nuts oh god if if look if you and i are re okay if we're re-enacting this conversation i don't even know if i could and we're we're just friends at a bar and this conversation is happening hilarious if we're in a professional space we're done being in a professional space i i agree with you but i would also say

that you and i sitting at a bar having this conversation that goes like this whatever the riff is yeah it ends so much quicker than this because i let's say you're the one who's yelling racist yeah i recognize we laugh and then we move on to the next yeah yeah whatever it is like the bit doesn't need to continue this aggressively no the bit ended when he went yeah the after the second round of races races and he goes yeah yeah all right yeah all right well what i'm trying to say is yeah oh fuck off you suck so ted tries to deal with this and he's very unsuccessful of course um here's how alex plays this it sounds like you have some passion with that alex and and and i can tell sorry the way that the way you have done well lord feta we have we have gotten to

young you will die i'm sorry yeah no that's right no that's fine there's there is something really really satisfying about watching a shithead being treated so poorly i listened to that clip in context of the episode when i cut these clips and i was like that is what happened but now as we're listening to it i'm like that really sounds like i just edited together ted trying to talk with alex saying things over it totally does that sounds fake as shit yeah that sounds like you made that shit happen i got very self-conscious and like i know i didn't do that but that really sounds fake that's unreal yeah what kind of human being would treat a professional colleague like that your main sponsor like he's yelling like you're right right right right i

i get that you're passionate about that but i'd love to talk about i'd love to talk about gold you've done well lord feta that's right it's almost like i have a soundboard and i'm just nope that's alex's brain nope that's how it works that is how he treats people it's crazy that is one of the best bits of abuse i think we've ever seen on this show it's insane i have no rooting interest in either one of those people's feelings that i hope they both get hurt as much as possible i have no like real sympathy for ted anderson certainly but i hate to see someone treated like this hey he's a piece of shit he has only for the frustration that i can empathize with like being around someone who acts like that right when you're trying to make a point that's

beneficial to both of you right like ted anderson is trying to make points that will financially benefit alex right and alex is just like no no no no no no race stuff is more important right now yeah i am i got a head of steam i got this caller who really fucked with my head i gotta do this and ted you're my whipping boy i have made you millions of dollars and you know better than to like protest my abuse i just think of every person who got fucked over by ted anderson while listening to that clip and i'm just like oh man if only they knew if only they could listen and hear ted anderson get his butt kicked like there'd probably be some shot and Freud in that oh for sure and it's not unique at all like alex treats ted like that quite a bit which i can

understand hilarious but it also does indicate to me that alex's like whole thing about like i wasn't a bully when i was younger is probably not true because ted does trigger like what bullies like to abuse yeah he's a bookish dork yeah like he's like oh wow actually the price of gold goes up like like like going like well what's really a sound investment fuck you nerd yeah and so alex responding like that to him is kind of indicative like maybe that is how you operate people who have detail and substance and like a little bit of a nuanced position that frustrates you you want more of the intensity yeah and so you take it out on them totally if you could take it out like that on someone who is basically your meal ticket yeah you could do it to someone at school yeah

pretty i would assume pretty easily um so i i've also uh from all this sort of deduced that maybe if alex is fine bullying ted and he's fine um with letting out on air that they're there to talk about young jevity issues which is a different sponsor maybe they are the same company and this next clip kind of makes me feel like that seems to be what's going on here here's an ad we wrote for a uh tv ad script that we're putting together for ted while he's down here in town but i think this says it all you know ted and i agreed collaborated on this this morning and wrote this hi i'm ted anderson but i'm actually alex james ted's right there like while i'm reading this will aim the camera at ted hi i'm ted anderson president of minus resources if you are somebody

who is being sponsored by this company it doesn't make sense for you then to have to write ad copy for them that seems like a different kind of relationship yeah alex is here talking about on air like we wrote this ad for mitis why that should be their ad department yeah that should be that's on them that's a very strange situation right there i i mean they're the same company like that's i i'm not sure about this but i think that's a very borderline a illegal i don't think it's illegal i think it's just like uh it's an indication of how entwined they are they are for all intents and purposes they are the same company no i know they it's it's it's a it's a it's a facade most like most of ted's revenue through mitis is uh like a lot of it is alex

jones based advertising and the way alex carries himself on his show gcn as a radio network only exists because of alex jones right the rest of those shows even if some of them are on more markets than alex the none of them are nearly as huge as alex no of course not and the the shows that they have that have grown into something are only possible because of the relationship that started and like 99 right between alex and ted you can't disentangle them they are the same company they have come up together through decades right and that's why when ted lost his uh license to sell gold and had a million dollars that he had to pay off for his malfeasance and alex immediately after that did a money bomb yeah like that's why that sort of thing is like that is not a coincidence

absolutely this is him paying off the fines that ted anerson needs to pay or else he'll be fucked yeah that like these two companies are are just this they might as well be the same but for legal reasons they can't and that's why they exist like right but that's what i'm saying i think for that's why when he said that we're writing ad copy for you that is where legal reasons get into oh that's why legal reasons exist that's illegal but the ad copy writing isn't enough no i know you could do that as a favor i know i know alex would probably present it as like look at eight eight ten ten's a great guy yeah he's great with gold but he's not good with the word and they and that's why i bully him all the time they could put together an invoice or whatever

like that i know i know that he gets on he gets on air and he starts talking and i got a fucking yell racist at him right because he's not good at talking right when he's not good at talking i got to say it extends also to the ad copy that he writes so i do a little bit of that for him and we're all better for it we're all we're all golden right yeah literally literally it's uh yeah but it does indicate just such a strong connection between the two that is is so much deeper than yeah what they would and when you recognize that the relationship between them is so much deeper it makes all of the other times that he so embarrassingly sells gold so much more suspicious like all of the financial collapse narratives that he's talking about with bob Chapman that

immediately lead into and now ted's here to sell gold yep yep it all is just like it's so gross so fucking gross yep so if one more clip and it's about a story that had come out that michael Moore is apparently trying to work towards getting photos from sandy hook released okay because he has the belief that if you see the reality of this situation yeah it will lead you to recognize the severity of the situation that we're dealing with that poor naive idealistic bastard um and so alex responds like this folks as you know michael more is saying he's going to finish off the second amendment in the nra that's how you're by trying to get the photos released and diane feinstein's been licking her lips about that watch a hacker get them or something and they're just going to throw

them up there and show them it'll all be photoshopped this is looking more and more like a staged uh a deal i mean they've staged other mass killings the globalist have and it has all the telltale signs aurora no doubt was nope there we go so now you see like i know that uh it seems like there has been nothing throughout this uh course of this episode about the main idea that we're looking at in 2013 which is the progression at sandy hook but here we have at the end of this this uh march 14th episode him saying like oh michael more wants these photos to come out which would shock people into recognizing the real tragedy and the fucking awful uh situation that can be brought about by gun violence i need to defend from that the only way i can do that if those photos

come out is to say that they're photoshopped photos yeah and if i do that then i might as well go all the way and say this is a staged event yep now you're still not saying they're actors but boy this is close we're real and it's a jump it's a jump because we've been listening to this and there has not been like in the last couple episodes from 2013 any indication that he's going in that direction this seems to be like a pretty out of nowhere jump yeah i don't know what that will pretend but i do think that this uh this white identity shit that he is he's deeply on this prediction that there's going to be a coming false flag that he's using to preemptively justify in case some of his buddies start doing some shit um i think a lot of that is tied in i think all of it

is there's a there's a tapestry that is being woven and i think his sandy hook denial is a part of it yeah and it can't be understood outside of those other uh those those contextual pieces i'd be interested to know and it's impossible to quantify this or or even measure it but the the thought that i have is like what if it wasn't michael more specifically i think you know what i mean i think it would be the same it would probably be the same but the fact that it's michael more raises that like alex jones has those hackles and just you should like michael more based on some of his right especially his early work right except for his guns except for the guns like i i imagine if it was somebody else not a uh somebody who can turn it from the

uh uh impersonal to personal like because he yeah he hates michael more he does you know like his reaction to michael more doing something is going to be more extreme i you would you would assume yeah then if it were just somebody else yeah yeah but then again we saw with pollock like it doesn't even fucking matter yeah i agree i agree and i think also michael more is more of a threat to him than some rando that's saying this right so if someone else who was in the the same media level as michael more said i think he'd respond similarly right um even though he hates michael more and has built up narratives about him yeah but i i think all that's important about it is someone of relative cultural importance is saying this agree and that is why i must respond

and if that is what makes him dance closer to like it being staged because staged is different than false flag as he was presenting it before yes like because before is the globalist went in and killed the children and then the patsy uh uh lanza was killed false flag is just a different person staged is very different absolutely so i don't know i don't know what that pretends for the the future but i should tell you i have cut out an entire hour and a half of this episode on the 14th he then gets into an interview with a grandfather who is anti fax and i don't care about that interview at all he apparently has a radio show yeah i don't care at all yeah the stupidest shit i'd heard uh it ends the episode and then it goes into overdrive

alex goes into overdrive for another hour but guess what alex leaves what the grandpa hosts the last no no no no no no hold on hold on what the fuck are you talking about no no but does he have an unhung painting is that why he's getting the fourth hour is that all anybody needs to do there is no formal fourth hour at this point but this is this is a proto fourth hour having someone else host the fourth hour that's a very proto example of this and i don't know why they did it it might have been brokered programming it might have been i have no idea as it seemed to me alex did about a half hour with this guy and then he wanted to talk more about anti vex stuff and they can continue the show right and alex doesn't give a shit alex

doesn't need to be there yeah i'm gonna sure you have fun i have some jameson's out in the car i'm gonna just get out of here yeah so that's what happened and i was like this is this is insane that's insane i never i think in listening to this period of time i'd not heard like alex surrender the fourth hour somebody other than one of his employees because there was that there was that patch back in like i think it was in 2009 we tried to do four hours and he had people like david night or rob do or rob jacobson like his employees would do the fourth hour yeah as if it was info or as nightly news yeah um but uh have someone rogue entity do the fourth hour yeah that's kind of very interesting very weird it's kind of wild yeah i am not good no so we come

to the end of this i think uh what i would like to say is like um this is a racist pile of shit yes this this uh i don't even think it's fully uh encapsulated by our episode the the 14th especially march 14th was a impossible to get through pile just it was just you're digging through racism the entire time yeah and it's triggered by the la times narrative that he started on the 13 and that was triggered by him trying to defend the very real murder threats that one of his sponsors and people in his community were making so i see trends happening here and it's because we're in 2019 and i'm looking back on this i know that like i see so many dynamics like he's saying that there's going to be a false flag that happens and i know why he's doing that

because of all these things that what i just described the the militia people who are threatening to do shit like that but then the fact that a high profile attack does happen yeah and it's not blamed on white people you know it's no but alex is going to present it as if it here it is and tamerlan sarnev one of the the brother who dies was an info wars fan yeah and that becomes like alex's way of being like they're trying to blame me for this i i know that because i remember it and like i just see these dynamics happening and it really makes me anxious but very excited i'm very excited about this period of time but also i'm so fucking like i didn't know that in march alex is predicting a terrorist attack is about to happen right right right right but i also didn't

know that a couple months before there's one of his buddies is threatening to shoot and kill people that's a problem so all of this context is very new to me and it's exciting but fucking anxiety provoking well the thing that i am most excited for dan uh is and i think this might be a first but your prediction that the boston bombing is where shit's going to start getting wild yeah i'm really excited because that is starting to sound true i think so every time we've made a prediction at all in the past suddenly you got to give it up to the somali pirates yeah but this time it really does look like things like we're getting a solid we're getting a hanging cement mixer curveball right at the goddamn belt but you know you know because history is prelude

what is going to happen is that he's going to start saying that sandy hook was a false flag and that there were actors before yeah no of course of course of course yeah just to fuck with our heads exactly yeah we're seeing all the dynamics and all the things that i'm playing and it all makes perfect sense as soon as the boston bombing happens that's when he's gonna lose his mind yep and all these things are gonna come together the next episode boom march march 17 becomes on air and he's like guys i gotta tell you god damn it alex you son of a bitch you're a confusing asshole but thank you for informing us that they literally attack our testicles it's important that everyone knows that so thank you for bringing that to our attention well done

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