Knowledge Fight - #333: August 16, 2019

Episode Date: August 21, 2019

Today, both Jordan and Alex Jones return from their respective vacations. In this installment, the gents discuss the day Alex got back in the studio and decided to spend most of his time making an abs...urd argument for why Trump is great for wanting to buy Greenland.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Rady Yourself Rady your self Rady Yourself Rady your self Rady your self Rady your self No no no no no no knowledge fight
Starting point is 00:00:16 knowledge fight.com It's time to pray Andy and Chansen share on the air thanks for holding this Hello Alex and my assistant call him a huge fan I love you knowledge fight I love you Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan
Starting point is 00:00:32 We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Indeed we are Dan Jordan What is the weirdest candy you have ever had I know you appreciate candies from across the world and you have received many different treats You know what
Starting point is 00:00:48 Terrible candies do not stick out in my mind I erase them I pretend they never exist Yes yes I don't want to deal with it The worst one that sticks out obviously is those orange and black
Starting point is 00:01:04 taffies that you would get on Halloween Those ones that are weird peanut something or other Terrible The ones that stick out the most for me are the positives Those are the Wonka Bar I think the Wonka Bar is one of the best It's fantastic got the Graham crackers
Starting point is 00:01:20 It's a good texture great chocolate fantastic work Willie And then the other one is the Honeycomb ones The Honeycomb ones Crunch Bar I think is the name of it Crunch is the Nestle
Starting point is 00:01:36 Crunchy maybe Sure sure sure It's like a Honeycomb and then just chocolate on it It's so good I do not think I've ever heard of that nor Absolutely never had it I believe I ran into it initially My dad would go to conferences
Starting point is 00:01:52 He would go to local literature would have conferences in various countries They would have Honeycomb based treats there Well I mean you go to different countries I always bring back candies And I think I encountered one of these Honeycomb candies from some foreign market
Starting point is 00:02:08 That's what we were all looking for We were looking for your foreign candies Yeah absolutely I love that I like an arrow The aerated chocolate Has a really nice texture too Because you've just returned from your trip To South Africa
Starting point is 00:02:24 And you've brought back with you What looks like probably the most disgusting Thing ever It is amazing it is a jelly tots candy bar Jelly tots And here's the description of it White chocolate with original jelly tots Original
Starting point is 00:02:40 I'm going to give this a shot This is basically Gummy bears inside a white chocolate Coating That's how it's going to go Dan your first bite A little chewy Good opening review
Starting point is 00:02:58 The jelly tots Have a very unappealing texture That's not a surprise First review Too much white chocolate Not enough jelly tot If you're going to make a white chocolate thing You're behooved to make it a little bit less
Starting point is 00:03:14 White chocolate I don't know I'm not into it How about that? That's my review It's not as bad as I thought It was going to be based on the jelly Thing and white chocolate combination You look like you're going to spit this out
Starting point is 00:03:30 I can't chew it It's a bad texture That's what I was saying That's difficult It's like if you were eating white chocolate And then a raisin attacked you It's not a treat It's just a fight
Starting point is 00:03:46 But I imagine your trip was welcome back I hope you had a great time over there And you didn't think too much about the song Africa by Toto Again I only thought of it one time And that was because of your text I had successfully expunged all Remembrance of Toto's Africa
Starting point is 00:04:02 Until your text would be on Wednesday We were texting and I told you Multiple times Whatever you do Hoping that you would be out enjoying Your rhinoceros While you're in the shower Don't worry I'm not reading your diary
Starting point is 00:04:18 Are you? No it was It was an incredible trip We weren't staying in City or anything We were staying in a game preserve Which was Truly incredible
Starting point is 00:04:34 But even that Was tainted because We went out on a drive Guided by one of the park rangers At night and as we're Cresting and on the way back To the camp he literally turns around And he's like
Starting point is 00:04:50 We're not really being taken care of here Anywhere I've been here for 23 years And they're gonna make me retire And there's no replacement for me And so he's going on on this whole thing And I'm once again You're like I'm gonna step in I mean it's awful
Starting point is 00:05:06 It's really awful unlike Unlike so many places where Bolsonaro's selling off the Amazon rainforest to Loggers and shit like that But the South African government is just Starving this place of fun So I assume it'll go out of business
Starting point is 00:05:22 And then they'll be able to sell off all of the fucking land It's nightmarish Sounds like a great vacation It was incredible You'd see a lot of great wildlife Oh yeah I was Unexpectedly 25 feet away from an elephant
Starting point is 00:05:38 You usually like encounters With elephants to be expected Absolutely like those to be expected It's tough to prepare for startling Elephant It was not good We couldn't see it It was 25 feet off the main road
Starting point is 00:05:54 And then later on the next day We heard that the elephant Had figured out that nobody was In the camp eating All of the food there So the elephant started going into The camp during the middle of the day Elephants are sneaky
Starting point is 00:06:10 It was right by the swimming pool on the last day It was 25 feet away from the swimming pool I'm just picturing like this elephant tiptoeing It's bananas With its big old nose Well I'm glad you had a great time And welcome back Thank you to everybody who has
Starting point is 00:06:26 Been clamoring For us to get back to work Get back to business And an apology and a thank you To our friend Who came in We recorded an episode on Monday Or to put out for Monday
Starting point is 00:06:42 And I had some tech difficulties In terms of editing it and getting it out And hopefully we'll be able to release it At some point down the line But in order to keep moving forward With the process of releasing episodes And keeping up with the show It's very difficult to add that
Starting point is 00:06:58 To the moving forward workload And not having an episode on Monday And thank Matt Drafke For being so kind as to come over It was a delightful time Yeah that sucks I was looking forward to listening Many were Being up until 4am
Starting point is 00:07:14 With a glitchy computer Makes it impossible to get it out on Monday It's very difficult I shouldn't complain Yes you should So Jordan today we are back We are back in business For the August 16th
Starting point is 00:07:30 2019 episode of the Alex Jones show As you may know Alex Jones went on vacation At the same time you went on vacation Yeah that was strange Your vacation was announced We mentioned it ahead of time Alex's was not
Starting point is 00:07:46 So he was gone with his family On vacation for all of last week And returned on Friday In the meantime He had been putting in little video reports And popping in While other people were hosting the show And he'd ride shotgun with them
Starting point is 00:08:02 As he is known to say But he didn't do A lot of his own show Until Friday When he was actually back in studio So we'll be picking up the thread there And it'll be interesting I don't think it's anything like what anybody would have expected
Starting point is 00:08:18 The show to be Which is now what we should expect the show to be Expect the unexpected Very very weird things That Alex says in this episode And I'm excited to break down these things with you But before we get to that we've got to give a shout out To some people who have signed up and are supporting the show
Starting point is 00:08:34 So first this guy What a great name Daniel thank you so much you're now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk Next Laura thank you so much you're now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk Next Eric with a K Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk
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Starting point is 00:09:06 They did that No I don't I can confidently say Don't like the meat but you sure like the bone I'm really fine with that Of course not Can't remember what the name of that song was I'm candy's
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Starting point is 00:09:38 Thank you so much You are all now wonderful technocrats I'm a policy wonk Crocky mate that's fantastic Have yourself a brew Okay doing bro We gotta go full tilt buggy on this Watson alright Let's just get down to business
Starting point is 00:09:54 We ain't making that money off that heroin Why you pimp so good My neck is freakishly large I declare info war on you Thank you David thank you Lottie And thank you D-Dubs Yes thank you all three of you If you out there enjoying the show and you like to
Starting point is 00:10:10 Sport what we do you can do that by going to our website KnowledgeFight.com clicking the button to support the show We would appreciate it And like I said August 16 A lot of people are probably clamoring To find out what Alex's take on The death of Jeffrey Epstein is And I knew going in that
Starting point is 00:10:26 It was probably He was not going to have a good take on it Oh yeah And I listened to a bit of his stuff from the week And it's exactly what you'd expect it to be He urged restraint on everybody He said that this rampant speculation About some sort of conspiratorial murder
Starting point is 00:10:42 Doesn't actually make any sense And it's reasonable to assume that This suicide actually Isn't even going to really affect the Outcome overall of anything Except we don't get to see him tarred and feathered And walk through the streets That's not his approach to it
Starting point is 00:10:58 His take on it was that A number of documents had been released Before his death Jeffrey Epstein's death And these documents exonerated Trump Of any kind of involvement with him And therefore Jeffrey Epstein Was no longer useful to the cabal
Starting point is 00:11:14 And so they killed him That's basically Alex's Position on this It's a situation where I don't have the patience to Get into it quite frankly And it's a very not large part Of when he comes back to studio on the 16th
Starting point is 00:11:30 It is a minor Thing for him I don't know It's not particularly compelling to me His take on it I really don't think there's a ton of value In us going over it Which is why I'm not going to go over his little guest appearances
Starting point is 00:11:46 On his own show while he was on vacation I think getting into the weeds on it Is kind of stupid I don't know, we'll waste a time If he's not drunk, he has to be in studio Those are our rules, right? Absolutely If he gets back around to it
Starting point is 00:12:02 And there's more information that can actually be looked into Down the road I'm willing to re-explore this topic The episode we're covering is the 16th And it's barely an issue for Alex on the 16th Which seems like it should be If it's a big deal to him But it's not
Starting point is 00:12:18 If you look at Epstein too long You might notice there's a connection to Trump And the less you talk about Epstein The less you talk about Trump being connected To Epstein It's weird So he starts the day By complaining about how no one does journalism
Starting point is 00:12:34 Anymore Rich? In fact, there's so much big news happening Back when the New York Times Still did some journalism And the Washington Post still did some journalism A journalist would spend a month Working on one of the things we work on
Starting point is 00:12:50 So we gotta move fast And it means we make mistakes sometimes But we've proven That nine times out of ten, we're dead on And here's the difference, we're trying to tell the truth We're not trying to deceive Like a lot of the corporate media out there Norm Patis joins us at the bottom of the hour
Starting point is 00:13:08 Oh, good I love that I fucking love that Just insulting the media And then my lawyer is gonna be a guest on my show Again, coming up Holy shit We try and tell all the truth
Starting point is 00:13:24 And I'm gonna say that this guy I'm paying to defend me In court Is gonna give his opinions probably on my court case Fuck you Who has a monetary interest in backing up Literally everything I say That's fun I like that complaint
Starting point is 00:13:40 At the same time Literally saying why you shouldn't do what you're doing And sure, we get things wrong all the time Because we work too fast Like when journalism used to happen People used to spend their time on stuff That is really what he's saying Is that like, look
Starting point is 00:13:56 Normal places would spend a long time on this We don't really care So we're just gonna speed through a lot of this shit Could do a good job But we won't Cause he's not really saying that they do a month's worth of work in a day Or whatever He's saying we don't work that hard
Starting point is 00:14:12 Or that long So Norm is coming in And it's actually not really to talk about Alex's case It's about another case That Norm might be representing And it's bad He was actually contacted By the
Starting point is 00:14:28 ICE officer this morning And he may end up representing him But regardless, he's seen the videos Of what happened in Rhode Island The supposed ICE officer running a crowd over No, he pulls up around the corner Doesn't see him, stops
Starting point is 00:14:44 They get a rounding And he just simply bumps them at a quarter mile an hour Putting his car in gear They're calling it murder They're looking to charge him in Rhode Island He's been told So exclusive info on that will play the video And they go, oh, the truck
Starting point is 00:15:00 Ice murdered us They go, I mean attempted murder So just the foaming at the mouth It's foaming at the mouth Can you fucking imagine How freaking screaming Alex would be if a truck almost ran over A second amendment protester
Starting point is 00:15:16 Can you fucking imagine No, no, no, no, we're not doing that We're not putting His bullshit in context No, I mean it's insane John's champion of freedom Champion against tyranny Would side with a state employee
Starting point is 00:15:32 In any way Driving a car through a line of protesters Who are expressing their first amendment right To free speech Free congregation Free airing of grievances This is crazy This is tyranny shit
Starting point is 00:15:48 If at Charlottesville one of the cops had Like accidentally Moved the Rear view window out and accidentally Touched one of the second amendment people Everybody would have exploded Alex would have lost his shit That gives you free reign to shoot on cops
Starting point is 00:16:04 If they hit you with their rear view mirror Well adjusting it I mean it's just so indicative Of this slide that he's on It's It pretends bad things And the present And that his lawyer is going to
Starting point is 00:16:20 Eat that ice agent As much of a piece of shit as it appears he may be He still deserves a day In court, still deserves a lawyer And it's not wrong for Norm To Represent him It's kind of wrong for him to
Starting point is 00:16:36 Whether or not he's representing him Come on Alex's show And say this guy is great Incredibly unethical Absolutely What is he Rudy Giuliani, what are we doing The only real reason that I think he can Have any kind of wiggle room is that he hasn't
Starting point is 00:16:52 Officially taken on the case According to Alex and Norm's presentation Of it, so it's still sort of a Sherodinger's lawyer Yeah, I'd be interested to know If he even, if he was qualified To both work criminal defense And civil issues
Starting point is 00:17:08 Right? I think he is Because he's representing that guy who May or may not have murdered his wife Fair, like he does do some criminal Cases as well For the good guys always Always? Always, not that everybody Is a bad guy if they're in there, you know what
Starting point is 00:17:24 Don't ever talk to the cops kids, that's all I'm trying to say Again, this is an indication that I might have been A little bit too quick with my judgment That Norm isn't a piece of shit Just because he tried to calm Alex down When he was screaming, that doesn't Mean that he has good sense
Starting point is 00:17:40 No, yeah So in this next clip, Jordan, we get into What I would describe as the main theme Of this episode, this August 16th episode And it's not really What you might expect it to be It's not about Any major world news, really
Starting point is 00:17:56 It's about Vivaldi's The Rights of Spring I would be interested in hearing Alex's Take on that, it is not It is actually One of the weirdest Defending Trump positions I've ever heard Alex make The American people are singing the propaganda
Starting point is 00:18:12 Well, the latest laughing stock ladies and gentlemen Is that Trump wants to purchase Or look into purchasing The biggest island in the world With an estimated Ten trillion dollars of Oil and gas on it Oh, you'd never want to buy that for a few billion bucks
Starting point is 00:18:28 Greenling Its population is only a Few hundred thousand Max, almost no one lives there The annuit population started moving there In the last 800 years, that's the Eskimo folks From North America
Starting point is 00:18:44 If you're a TV viewer, you can see Greenland There on the screen Why Danish politicians scoff at Trump's reported wish To buy Greenland, it must be April Fools Day, but you see Greenland is autonomous Yes, the Vikings had some small settlements there
Starting point is 00:19:00 Where are we going? What is this? The people of Greenland Could vote like Texas voted To become part of The Union To become the 51st state You know
Starting point is 00:19:16 Like Alaska, that other Terrible, horrible purchase What the fuck is happening Here we go, okay I have not heard this angle, I'm happy Almost this whole episode Is him trying to rationalize Trump wanting To buy Greenland
Starting point is 00:19:32 You know what, I'm fine with that Let's live in wacky world I'm golden You know what Alex is saying That are completely batshit The first is that Alex is okay with the idea Of a president suggesting that they might want To buy another country
Starting point is 00:19:48 That is completely insane Can you imagine if Bill Clinton or Obama Or even George W. Bush suggested Hey, maybe it would be a good idea for us to buy Ireland Do you think Alex would be like, hey, that's a good idea They have a lot of natural resources there We could take What do I got to do
Starting point is 00:20:04 To get Portugal To pay you Second, the population isn't in the hundreds Of thousands, it's actually closer to 56,000 Greenland is very sparsely Populated because a lot of the land In the country is uninhabitable Partially because the Greenland ice sheet covers
Starting point is 00:20:20 Approximately 81% of the island So it's a good investment to get it now Alex might make that point later Approximately 40% of Greenland Is protected land The Northeast Greenland National Park Which is the largest national park in the world And the area around the coasts
Starting point is 00:20:36 Are the only place That they can have permanent human Residencies It's outside of the coverage of the ice sheet And that explains why there's such a low population Is because you can only really Inhabit the coast But it's important to remember that just because
Starting point is 00:20:52 There's a small number of total people there It doesn't make their connection to the land Any less legitimate or any less of a factor When considering whether or not The place should be just stripped mind for resources Dan, I'm pretty sure we've Read the history books on colonialism And it works out great
Starting point is 00:21:08 Appealing to a low number of people Affected by this sort of decision Is really no different than just saying That their feelings don't matter For their own good All the other justifications For colonialism that have existed over history About 90% of the population
Starting point is 00:21:24 Of Greenland are Inuit people While the island is technically part of the kingdom Of Denmark, they have their own parliamentary government There have been moves made towards complete independence From Denmark for years, but they aren't Autonomous in the way that Alex is suggesting And I would bet just about everything That I own, that if it were put to a vote
Starting point is 00:21:40 The people of Greenland would not be In favor of jumping from Denmark To the United States for Enrichment of the United States Boy, yeah, I'm going to go with That one would win by a Stalin-esque 97% Also, what the fuck does he think he's saying
Starting point is 00:21:56 By trying to minimize the Inuit population Of their 800 years ago They only moved their 800 years ago That's over three times the period that the U.S. Has been around Don't even put that into anyone's brains Don't you even put that we have a right to this land Dan, we've been here for 300 years
Starting point is 00:22:12 They don't have any rights to their lands They've only been there 800 years We've only been here for a fraction of the time That the Inuit have been in Greenland Yeah, Alex won't stop screaming every day About how immigrants are coming And it's a threat to his culture Greenland wouldn't bring in masses of immigrants
Starting point is 00:22:28 Does he not care about how drastically Something like that might change the culture In Greenland? I'm sure he doesn't care At all. Okay. Because when you get Really down to it, I need to make this point It's hard to hear what Alex is saying And not think that he's advocating for A return to colonialism. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Which seems completely counter to pretty much Every single thing he's built his career on Or pretended to. Yeah. I don't know if he, so Based on what he was saying there Yeah. He thinks that If we somehow just buy Greenland Well, they're autonomous.
Starting point is 00:23:00 From Greenlandians Is what he thinks. Yes. So they'll just take a parliamentary vote On whether to sell. Yeah. So it's like a housing administration All getting together and being like, Well, we'll get this condo. I don't know how housing administrations work
Starting point is 00:23:16 But yes, I would assume that's what he's Picturing in his life. Right. Then we own Greenland Citizens will then be allowed to vote Again on whether or not to become The 51st state, as though that is In their control. Yes, I assume so. But along the way
Starting point is 00:23:32 Does he know what Puerto Rico Is? I don't know if he does Or Guam or Yeah, any number of the American Territories. We're going to learn a lot about Not those ones specifically, but the examples Alex uses. Of course. Because he uses some really bad examples
Starting point is 00:23:48 To try and make this argument. Because when you Go to what his argument is, is this Because he even appealed to it a little bit There by bringing up Alaska. Right. The idea that we're going to buy a bunch of land Right. Seward's Folly in the hole. Exactly. And that was a great investment. Yeah, it turns out great. So let's talk a little bit
Starting point is 00:24:04 About this purchase of Alaska. When the United States purchased Alaska in 1867, they didn't put it to a vote Of the people in Alaska. Alaska wasn't an autonomous state That just wanted to join the Union. It was a piece of the Russian Empire They didn't want it from them. At least partially
Starting point is 00:24:20 Because they didn't want it anymore. Since it was way too hard to defend from their position So even if great natural resources Were discovered, it was so vulnerable to capture That it wasn't worth the effort it would take To protect it. Plus they Completely wiped out the otter populations They were killing for fur, so maintaining
Starting point is 00:24:36 Colonies there just wasn't profitable for them In any way. We paid the Russian Empire And then without any consent of the People who lived in Alaska, it was then Part of the United States. Even When the Russian Empire arrived in Alaska There were approximately 100,000 native People living there who had no say
Starting point is 00:24:52 In what happened and their own Futures. Though the U.S. Bought Alaska, the native peoples there were not Allowed citizenship until 1924 Meaning that they had no right to vote And at the time they had no ability to formally Own property or even file claims to Mineral deposits. Now let me ask you
Starting point is 00:25:08 A question, Dan. Yeah. Would that Count as something along the lines Of Being taxed without being represented? Yeah, it's a second Class citizenship for sure. Yeah It sure does seem like that. And that's What America is based on, right?
Starting point is 00:25:24 It were against it. Oh, that doesn't sound right. The Bureau of Indian Affairs Destabilized native life and made Efforts to do away with the indigenous Cultures and the peoples whose land the United States bought from someone else Without a single concern for the natives of Alaska's input. We the people
Starting point is 00:25:40 In order to form a more, anyways The U.S. didn't even make Alaska a state until 1959. And some progress Had been made in terms of seeding land Back to native populations, but Absolutely it was not a primary concern When we bought Alaska. My point Here is that Alex Jones is a fucking monster
Starting point is 00:25:56 If he were alive in Belgium in the late 1800s, I have zero doubt that he would Have been going around yelling at everybody about how It was a great idea what King Leopold Wants to do in the Congo. Like it's Insane. What he's saying is It's crazy. Yeah. No, it's Manifest destiny. It is. It really is.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Well, I mean, it's a little bit Tapered because he has this fucking Nonsensical idea about paying people. Right. Yeah. Which is still like If you put it in A slightly different context, he would Scream that they're just being bribed. You know, like it's ludicrous.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Well, I mean, if he were in a different Context and it served as a narrative in a different Way, he'd say we were trying to steal the land From Denmark. Right. Which he gets into in this next clip. Okay, of course. Well, we're going to go ahead And break down all these other stupid Horrible purchases for TV
Starting point is 00:26:44 And radio viewers right now because It is autonomous. We could pay each person 15-20 million Dollars and buy it And have a multi-thousand percent increase In profit and All the resources, the tourism, the development Which everything is going to be in the
Starting point is 00:27:00 Arctic in the future. Oh, is it? So the first thing first there If, you know, if climate change isn't real It's not real. Don't worry about it. No, don't Definitely don't. No, no, no, he didn't Give up anything. Seems like he tipped his hand a little Yeah, a little bit. So first, I love the idea That he's like, okay, we're going to get into these
Starting point is 00:27:16 Fucking purchases because Alex can never use specifics Correctly. No, that's great. He's going to get His ass kicked. It's going to be very bad for him Now, beyond that, his plan To pay off the people of Greenland is fucking Stupid. He's suggesting That the U.S. government should pay each person In Greenland 15-20 million dollars
Starting point is 00:27:32 And then still turn a gigantic profit And that's fucking deranged I'm going to leave aside the fact that he thinks That the population is in the hundreds of thousands And I'm going to use his low ball number Of 15 million per person If we gave that amount to each person In Greenland, that would be 840 billion dollars
Starting point is 00:27:50 That is an insane amount of money Someone advocating for an 840 billion dollar Expenditure to buy fucking Greenland Is not a fiscal conservative, I would argue By any stretch of the imagination They fought tooth and nail To avoid giving Americans 850 billion in fucking
Starting point is 00:28:10 Stimulus bullshit No, no, no, no But this is an island These people are insane Where does Alex think that money's coming from? I might ask The military budget Realized that something like that would require
Starting point is 00:28:21 Insane tax hikes I can't stress this enough This is completely unhinged And a bad shit idea for him to justify this kind of shit And it fully contradicts the positions He's pretended to sport for the entirety of his career Can you imagine Ron Paul advocating for paying 840 billion dollars to buy Greenland?
Starting point is 00:28:37 It's crazy Guys, look I know this sounds like a lunatic idea But what if we just spent 40% of our GDP And bought Greenland? I know you're gonna... Now hold on I have three proposals
Starting point is 00:28:49 Hold on One, eliminate all four and eight Two, get rid of OSHA Three, buy Greenland Buy Greenland, yeah Yeah, yeah Sir, you just got yourself a standing ovation Now there's a second matter to consider
Starting point is 00:29:02 And that is that he thinks there would be thousands of percent profit Now in order for that to be the case You'd need to see about a tenfold return So now we're talking about bringing in like 8 trillion dollars in tourism and resources mined From Greenland Day one First hundred days of owning Greenland, Dan
Starting point is 00:29:17 We will bring in 8 trillion dollars There's bad news about his plan Currently the GDP of Greenland is 2.7 billion dollars If the United States were to just steal all of that It would still take us about 3,000 years to make a thousand percent profit On the purchase Alex is suggesting And that's not even factoring in any costs That would need to incur
Starting point is 00:29:36 Making this kind of a purchase profitable Would require an almost unimaginable length of time Or an almost unimaginable level of destruction of nature In pursuit of these resources It would be a horrible thing to do And there's no reason to think That even if you destroyed every piece of protected wildlife That you would end up with the kind of return on investment Alex is imagining
Starting point is 00:29:55 It is the colonialist equivalent of John Wall's NBA contract Thank you I don't know John Wall Washington Wizards It's the worst contract in the entire league by a wide margin Okay It's pretty fantastic What's he pulling in? 840 billion?
Starting point is 00:30:13 Actually pretty close That's why it's troublesome So like I said I love the idea that Alex is going to try and use specifics Because I need to make this clear He's talking about the idea of purchasing Greenland And he's saying that everyone is saying Trump is stupid For wanting to buy Greenland
Starting point is 00:30:32 So now his argument is going to be Look at all these other times presidents have bought land Or whatever And it was so stupid The argument hinges on the idea that these people bought the land That's important His first example is okay Louisiana Purchase?
Starting point is 00:30:52 Yes Of course That's number one And then it's going to go down Remember when we bought the land With the guns So let's let him get into the Louisiana Purchase And then we'll see how this all plays out
Starting point is 00:31:07 Okay So let's go through the history here Well after we took from the king of England The original 13 colonies by force, by conquest By ideas Well then there was a Louisiana Purchase for 15 million dollars The equivalent of about 200 plus million today And as you know
Starting point is 00:31:28 The Louisiana Purchase is worth hundreds of trillions of dollars What a horrible purchase What a horrible thing that president did back then Those were really bad people That's so like Do you think it's strange that Alex can't come up with a name Of who was the president during the Louisiana Purchase Do you think that's strange?
Starting point is 00:31:50 I think it's weird It does not Because do you know who did it Dan? I do I know who we have a ton of quotes from I'll tell you that right now I know we've got so many quotes from this guy But I can't think of his name right now
Starting point is 00:32:03 Is it someone who Alex considers a hero? And maybe the foundation of a ton of his ideas are based on Like you said fake quotes from him It's so surprising that he can't remember his name What the fuck So surprising that the one time it's referencing something He actually did do Whoever was president back then
Starting point is 00:32:19 Jesus What is wrong with this guy? Do you remember that famous quote of his Liberty can't be grown without the burning of fire On the seed of Louisiana's purchase So from Thomas Jefferson From a purely financial standpoint
Starting point is 00:32:37 That did turn out to be a great purchase But other factors make it a bit more of a complicated situation Again, we were not buying the land from the people who actually Lived there No, we were buying it from the people who actually lived there, right? We weren't buying autonomous areas And saying, hey folks, we sure would like it If you'd join up with our awesome country
Starting point is 00:32:55 And how about we pay you and you do this No, the French were born there Dan Everybody knows this The area that was bought in the Louisiana purchase lays it It was colonized by the French and we bought it from them There was no consent of the natives who lived in the area There was no vote about it It was just a negotiation between two colonizing powers
Starting point is 00:33:12 Who didn't give a fuck about the interests of the people Who lived in the areas they controlled That just doesn't sound like us, Dan It doesn't ring true It just doesn't sound like us Seems like fake news Yeah It's impossible to argue that the purchase wasn't a really good investment
Starting point is 00:33:24 For the U.S. on a monetary basis But it also set into place a lot of really long lasting problems That still resonate to this day There was the disruption, destabilization And displacement of native peoples that we enacted There was the ensuing war of 1812 That was caused by a ton of factors And this isn't obviously the entirety of it
Starting point is 00:33:42 But one of the factors was the international response To American expansionism As well as the British support of Native American tribes Who were fighting with the United States Because the United States was disrupting, destabilizing And displacing them So those were factors that came into That were a direct result of our expansionism
Starting point is 00:34:00 Which is not to say that the British were Supporting the Native tribes because they Were great Are good guys No There was also the fact that states could be made Out of this Louisiana purchase that would have to Either be free or slave states
Starting point is 00:34:14 Which would disrupt the balance between the two Ultimately leading The Missouri Compromise of 1820 That compromise likely postponed the outbreak Of the Civil War But it also gave an air of legitimacy to slavery In the South And also made official that anti-slavery progress
Starting point is 00:34:29 Was not going to extend past that barrier You know it reminds me of something Where it's like you can't compromise on certain issues You know you can either be So if you're compromising with certain stuff Then you're really just enabling evil things to occur You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you allow it to exist in a place
Starting point is 00:34:48 You can't apply that to current day whatsoever No There are a lot of very serious factors that go into Looking at the history of the Louisiana purchase That don't involve whether or not we've made a lot of money Off of it Using that kind of simplistic logic Would Alex be alright if like
Starting point is 00:35:02 Would he be alright with pretty much any kind of Oppression in the name of a good return on investment? Like let's imagine a super rich communist wanted to buy Texas And the United States sold it to them Shouldn't he have to be okay with that? Like if the super rich communist paid people So they would vote to sell him Texas Alex would never stop screaming about how it was a rigged vote
Starting point is 00:35:21 And bribery But that's exactly what he wants done in Greenland Yes It's crazy Yes This guy is an idiot And a monster Like what he's advocating is a monstrous thing
Starting point is 00:35:32 Like the clip itself listening to him talk I just got this vision of both of us in a bar Him saying that and me being like I don't want this conversation Bye Bye Goodbye No thanks
Starting point is 00:35:45 So, you know, that's At least Louisiana purchase though was a purchase So Alex has got that going for it Right His next example When we purchased Texas from the Mexicans No, we got a little while until we get to that Oh, okay
Starting point is 00:35:58 His next example is not as good of an example of a purchase Okay There was, of course, the Red River Valley purchase Again, just absolutely got it for nothing The Red River Valley purchase is not something that exists We didn't buy the Red River Valley or the Red River Basin The boundaries were negotiated in the Treaty of 1818 At the end of the War of 1812
Starting point is 00:36:21 And actually the treaty involved a seeding a bunch of land From the Louisiana purchase that is now Canada to Britain Since the treaty established the northern border In that area for the United States Alex is kind of just making shit up here Or reading off a hastily compiled list of territorial expansions In the United States history That probably one of his dumb interns put together
Starting point is 00:36:40 Yeah, we bought the concession of land to the British Don't you know that? We fought the War of 1812 and at the end of it We had a treaty that negotiated this borderline And we lost a bunch of land Right Robert E. Lee bought losing the Civil War Everybody knows this
Starting point is 00:36:57 So now we get to another one that Alex is bringing up Which, I mean, again, this is going to become very repetitive But he's wrong about everything Then there was the Florida purchase for $5 million Oh my gosh, Florida for $5 million What another stupid laughing stock idiot president You know, who was president in 1819? Oh my gosh
Starting point is 00:37:20 You tell me Because that person was a really horrible person Wait, he actually doesn't know? I don't think he does Oh, of course not We'll get to that in a minute It was Thomas Jefferson It wasn't
Starting point is 00:37:32 It was James Monroe Yeah The Florida purchase I hear his doctrine was pretty dope Well, it doesn't make him a great guy No The Florida purchase only happened because Spain didn't want to spend so much Maintaining the colony and wanted to make a deal with the United States
Starting point is 00:37:45 Which led to the Adams-Ones Treaty of 1819 People often misleadingly say that the US paid $5 million to Spain for Florida As Alex thinks But in reality that $5 million was part of the Adams-Ones Treaty Wherein the US agreed to pay for the legal claims of US citizens against Spain Up to the amount of $5 million So it was more an issue of accepting bureaucratic responsibility for claims in the territory If the territory was ceded to the United States
Starting point is 00:38:12 You realize this is so insanely like how professional sports works today It is negotiations like that It is really very similar to it It's kind of creeping me out There was no actual payment for Florida It was a negotiation and the resulting agreement was one that was not kept Fun fact, and one of the reasons that Alex should absolutely not be cool with what he's talking about in the Florida purchase Article 3 of the treaty explicitly made the US relinquish all claims it had on most of Texas
Starting point is 00:38:39 Saying that the US had to quote, seed to his Catholic majesty That's the ruler of Spain And renounce forever that all their rights, claims and pretensions to Texas Among other areas that would end up becoming part of the United States somehow I'm not entirely sure We didn't buy Florida and the agreement that brought Florida into the United States Involved language that forbade the US to lay claim on Alex's home state Yes
Starting point is 00:39:03 Again, his team is very very sloppy And he has zero idea what he's talking about His only reason to exist in the present day is to justify whatever dumb shit Trump does And agitate towards an authoritarian white nationalist state And this is a piece of that Yeah, absolutely Also, like we mentioned, James Monroe was president in 1919 And all things considered, he wasn't a great guy
Starting point is 00:39:25 It's also just fucking hilarious that this noted student of history Nowhere of all things and reader of a thousand books Whatever president was the live winner He literally has no idea who is president when these great expansions of the country he loves so much happened This is embarrassing He's read too many books about World War II They still says he's read a lot about American history Right
Starting point is 00:39:46 Like it's just, it's pretty, he's not equipped to have the conversation he's trying to have Absolutely not And he would be if he just spent any time actually learning about any of this stuff Well, no, in a lot of ways The entire American education system is built around making sure no one knows how utterly and completely complex American history is Period And it's to create this American myth that makes sense out of all of this Instead of a constant push and pull between stupid and ridiculous and evil
Starting point is 00:40:22 Yeah That's a huge thing Yeah So Florida purchased, check it off the list That helps us make sense and rationalize Huge return on investment We have Louisiana purchased, we have the non-existent Red River Valley purchased We bought the concession of land
Starting point is 00:40:39 So these are the things that Alex is using to defend the idea of buying Greenland It's so far he's not doing a great job Yeah Here he goes now with some more examples How much did we spend? Cooke So at this point I'm not sure Alex is sure what he's even arguing anymore I really have no idea what he's talking about
Starting point is 00:41:46 In Spanish territory After Moses died, Steve kept up his work, but the number of American immigrants into Texas did not stop at 300 This led to the Americans thinking that they were in charge, which quickly gave way to them declaring Texas its own country And even though it was Spanish territory and they were explicitly only there because they had permission from the Spanish Anyway, a war broke out and then in 1845, with all the treasuries wearing seriously thin and finding themselves unable to defend themselves Texas asked to join the United States and US said, cool Mexico, by now an independent country from Spain, made clear that if the US annexed Texas, that would mean war The US said, let's do this thing, and thus the history books now get to include a little chapter about the Mexican-American war
Starting point is 00:42:29 So that cost us like 6 million? Like what are we talking here? I don't know, I mean if you want to talk about lives, there are a few Texas joining the United States did not involve us buying it from someone It involved an insurrection from within Spanish territory and then a war that cost thousands of lives If this is what Alex is using as an example of what to expect from trying to get our hands on Greenland, I think he's making a terrible argument And also by the way, we have plenty of options for a 51st state already Like what? Like who? I know Trump supposedly said something about Greenland and everyone's making fun of him, so Alex just needs, he feels this need to go on the defensive
Starting point is 00:43:04 But before we start trying to grab up parts of Denmark, maybe we should get our own house in order and recognize the statehood of some of these territories We've got that we've been neglecting Dan, then they would have rights That is a problem Yeah, that's a huge issue for a lot of people And they probably wouldn't vote for his nonsense It would be a surprise if they did I would be shocked
Starting point is 00:43:25 Man, I was really pissed off that I couldn't squeeze in a, that's the bottom line reference there It was going to be something like there's a 300 maximum amount and that's not the bottom line I was going to go there So in this next clip, Alex gets back to talking about Alaska Sure This is really interesting because in this clip Does he call it the Louisiana Purchase again? He doesn't
Starting point is 00:43:49 In this clip, he actually uses the word colonize when he's talking about Greenland Okay But what he says about Alaska is fucking insane Alright, let's hear this The average citizen gets a yearly paycheck from the government off the resources in Alaska And Trump's even proposing that for any U.S. citizens that would move out of the inside baseball to Greenland We would then colonize it once it became a U.S. territory and then later it would become a state Oh, but who wants to even offer those folks that because nobody else seems to be doing it
Starting point is 00:44:24 Well, no one seems to be doing it because they seem to be pretty satisfied with the position that they're in currently And holy shit, Jordan Alex Jones is the stupidest motherfucker in the planet His entire current brand is built on being opposed to socialism in any form of welfare He hates the idea of a universal basic income because it makes you dependent on the state Well, guess what, shithead, that's exactly what the Alaska Permanent Fund is The Alaska Permanent Fund is a state-owned fund that takes oil revenues and redistributes it to the citizens of Alaska In a very basic sense, it is recognizing that all residents of the state are part-owners of the natural resources
Starting point is 00:45:00 They're taken from the land that they live in and they recognize that and pay people for it Everyone gets a check and just by virtue of that the state is able to raise tons of people out of abject poverty Which is the exact goal of all the social welfare programs that Alex is so vehemently against Children can be enrolled as soon as they're born and their dividend checks are placed into an account So by the time they're 18, they could easily have like $20,000 to put towards college or trade school or whatever they want The oil companies still make insane profits, but some of that has to go back to the people It's a very sane model, so sane that Alex doesn't even seem to be against it Weird
Starting point is 00:45:37 What a dumb motherfucker Dan, you know, the more you listen to these kinds of folk talk, the more you think I don't think they actually believe in anything they're saying No I think they're just making bad faith arguments in order to convince enough people to vote against their own interests And it's almost like the things that they actually complain about aren't what they care about It seems like there's something behind it that's actually like maybe a white thing Yeah, yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:46:05 I don't think they really care as much about the things they purport to care about In Alaska, this is a state-run and owned program Right And to Alex, this should be socialism run amok States rights This should be something that he sees as intrinsically evil and exactly opposite to everything he stands for And yet here he is seemingly endorsing it Which is, I guess to say, Alex doesn't really hate socialism as much as he thinks he does
Starting point is 00:46:27 And here's the real kicker Studies have shown that the dividend checks have had almost a non-existent effect on employment Which is to say that people being given a free check hasn't made them just decide to stop working and live off the state There's some indications that it's increased part-time employment But a lot of that is thought to be a result of people having the freedom to work less hours and not starve Which, societally speaking, is a good thing You remember in the 1940s and 50s whenever they had all those like what the future is going to be like for people? I mean, I don't remember it subjectively
Starting point is 00:46:59 I've heard of it Yeah, well they have all those things and you can keep going back and every one of those like what the future is going to be like scenarios Everybody is always like, well, we won't have to work as much We won't have to have the five-day work week We'll be able to work two or three days and still be able to explore our interests in a greater way And now people have taken that in the complete opposite direction It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you want the future to be you working less? You lazy piece of shit Believing that the only incentive to do anything is financial or something along those lines is stupid
Starting point is 00:47:37 What it is is indicating that you don't really believe in people as much as you think you do Like Alex always talks about, I believe in the human spirit And like if you did then everyone getting paid a basic survival income shouldn't change how vigorous and inflamed the human spirit would be People would create so many amazing things No, no they wouldn't So because this program is based on Alaska's natural resources and most states don't share that kind of abundance It's been seen as a difficult challenge to try and replicate this sort of program nationally But I think that's kind of dumb
Starting point is 00:48:11 There are countless ways the success of this very not-socialist program could be enacted through taxes And it would make everyone's life substantially better I would love to see something along these lines be explored But not just, you know, let's throw it up and see what happens But explore these sorts of ideas, see what kind of system we could put in place And it's exciting to hear that Alex is on board Yeah, yeah, no kidding So I look forward to him advocating for universal basic income initiatives in the future
Starting point is 00:48:40 It'll be great Thank you Alex As long as they are given to Greenland and not to the, you know, not to the 50 What a stupid, stupid douche They're all stupid They're all incredibly stupid unless they're smart In which case they're evil I think socialism is of the devil
Starting point is 00:48:56 But I'm thrilled with this program that's in Alaska And also Trump is going to bring it to Greenland Yeah, cool Yeah, but not to the 48, dad Not to the, look, the contiguous 48 We're just, we just can't be trusted with that kind of shit right there You can only give it to Alaska, Greenland And I suppose Hawaii because it's also not connected to the mainland
Starting point is 00:49:18 Alex is the worst So now he gets back to his examples of dumb purchases Are we still doing this? This goes on a long time How long? Most of the episode None of it was purchases Nope
Starting point is 00:49:29 We always, we killed people And guess what, this one isn't either Then there's the Oregon Treaty The Oregon Treaty established the boundary between Canada and the United States And the 49th parallel And again, that was for nothing Right, it was a treaty So then there was the Vietnam Treaty
Starting point is 00:49:46 Where we took some of Vietnam, I guess He does get kind of close to that Really? I'm trying to be You can't, you can't I'm trying to go too far You can't exaggerate So the Oregon country was established as a dual occupied area Where the United States and British settlers could freely set up shop
Starting point is 00:50:03 The settlers mostly there for the fur trade And inevitably when the local species became more scarce from over hunting The industry took a downturn In that situation in the 1840s The British weren't really all that interested In maintaining their occupation of the Oregon Territory Especially considering that the U.S. was super interested in it And there were way more Americans there than British
Starting point is 00:50:22 By this point, the ripples of the Missouri Compromise Were being felt in all the expansionist territories of the United States Every new area that was coming under our sway Was subject to the new slave state versus free state debate And the Oregon Territory was no different It always has to be one and one, too You can't have one state going to the unions It's got to be even
Starting point is 00:50:43 When negotiating for the precise boundaries Of what the U.S. would eventually own In terms of the northern boundary With Britain's claim on Canada Anti-slavery people wanted more territory Because it was in the north And if there was more territory It may become more states
Starting point is 00:50:59 Which would then be non-slave states The South didn't really want to fight with the British Over expanding the northern boundary of the United States Because they were aware of that exact same dynamic And less territory actually worked in their interests Of preserving the power that slave states held Again, this is not an instance of the United States Purchasing land to expand its territory
Starting point is 00:51:16 This, as best as I can tell Has literally nothing to do with the point Alex is trying to make about Greenland And last, the only point he's trying to make Is that he's into colonialism And existing populations should just be made To submit to and assimilate to the culture You're bringing in with your colonization
Starting point is 00:51:33 This is really disgusting stuff To hear coming from the same guy who spends all his time Yelling about Muslims and South American refugees Coming to take away his culture Here he is so ready to celebrate the prospect Of doing exactly that to someone else Because he thinks it's a good investment Like this dude's a monster
Starting point is 00:51:48 And his argument about the colonizing Greenland Makes clear he's stupid These examples are not analogous in any way Except in adding more territory to the United States That's the only similarity that they have His only argument he can be making With all of these examples is Hey, look at all these other times we've added territory
Starting point is 00:52:06 We should add more territory That's it! There is a... It doesn't... Sorry, here's my main point It doesn't justify the idea That people are making fun of Trump for Which is that buying it
Starting point is 00:52:18 No, yeah! We're so far away from that being That's what Alex is defending That's what people are mocking Trump for That's why he's being defensive And the argument he's making has nothing to do with that He's lost the thread entirely It is a...
Starting point is 00:52:33 I don't know if it's unique But it is a very strong This overriding manifest destiny belief in America That so many let's go with Incredibly white people have Of just like, I would die I would kill everyone that I've ever met Before I allow someone to take an inch of my land
Starting point is 00:52:53 And I will absolutely have zero understanding Of how similar that it would be If I was on the other side I'm going to take your land With no consequences and no interest in you And your reactions whatsoever But if you even come for an inch of mine I'll go ape shit on you
Starting point is 00:53:10 That is just how so many of these guys think Without ever understanding the similarities there Yeah, it does appear that to be the case But Alex has more examples Oh God, how? And then there's a Mexican cessation Where we got massive amounts of stuff Including California, who wants that
Starting point is 00:53:30 Utah, Arizona, all of that And that was taken, again, by force Because Mexico couldn't even hold it So we purchased it, right? We can just continue here All these other horrible, horrible purchases These aren't purchases He just said that it wasn't a purchase
Starting point is 00:53:45 That it was taken by force You can't buy something taken by force That's a burglary It's also not the Mexican cessation It's the Mexican session And they seeded land to the United States So this isn't a part of a purchase Or a shrewd investment we made
Starting point is 00:53:56 It was the result of a treaty That ended the Mexican-American War As a result of the war The U.S. absorbed a lot of the territory That is now the West and the Southwest As part of the treaty, Mexicans who decided to stay Were granted citizenship And allowed to keep their property
Starting point is 00:54:10 Except we didn't stick to that The U.S. almost immediately began snatching up land That was already owned by Mexicans Who would now be Americans Estimates put it at around 20 million acres of land That should be a rightful property of Mexican-Americans That was just taken from them Which absolutely had a massive ripple effect through history
Starting point is 00:54:26 In terms of capital, property, and generational wealth But Alex isn't interested in that It was a great purchase It was a great purchase He shouldn't want California He hates California Yeah, but it's ours It's ours, come on, man
Starting point is 00:54:37 He thinks it's one of the biggest problems in America Yeah, but just because liberals took it over Doesn't mean it's not ours Ridiculous It's a, man, he really... In a way, though, it actually makes sense Because he was totally all about the annexation of Crimea So it's very similar
Starting point is 00:54:52 There are similarities The annexation of Crimea, Mexico So most of these do seem to be like treaties That ended wars or just treaties That were negotiations less than they were purchases And none of them took into account the people Who were living there already Now, imperialism is an awful, terrible thing
Starting point is 00:55:11 Except when we do it So now, interestingly, Alex gets to another actual purchase In this next split Okay The 1853 Gadsden Purchase From Mexico, $10 million And, again, that gave US possession Of the valley south of the Gila River
Starting point is 00:55:28 And the land in which the United States And Arizona and New Mexico now reside So, again, horrible getting large parts of Arizona And New Mexico What a horrible deal for $10 million What a terrible deal What stupid, bad American presidents These American presidents
Starting point is 00:55:45 Absolutely just have to be stopped Again, he doesn't know who the president was No clue For the record, Franklin Pierce was president When the Gadsden Purchase happened I know, I know He was a one-term guy And he was only president
Starting point is 00:55:56 When the Nebraska-Kansas Act was passed That really exacerbated relations Between slave and free states And was in office during the bleeding Kansas border wars Between Kansas and Missouri All that stuff's really easy to not know much about Especially, you know, when you've read dozens of books About the Civil War
Starting point is 00:56:10 It's a good thing Alex doesn't claim to have read Dozens of books about the Civil War Or else you should know a lot of this stuff That he seems to be kind of unaware of You would think I doubt his books about the Civil War Really go into the larger socio-economic And political factors
Starting point is 00:56:24 It might be written by like Confederate sympathizers Yeah, that started like 40 years before The Civil War even came close to beginning They might just be about how like The South was great Yeah, Jefferson Davis is cool Yeah
Starting point is 00:56:38 So finally though We have the Gadsden Purchase We have an actual purchase In this laundry list of non-purchases Alex is trying to use to justify The stupid idea of buying Greenland First things first This has nothing to do with the Gadsden flag
Starting point is 00:56:50 That was designed by a guy named Christopher Gadsden Back in the late 1700s Whereas this purchase is named after The chief negotiator of it, James Gadsden J.K. James Gadsden is Christopher Gadsden's grandson Oh, okay, great So it kind of doesn't Okay, I gotcha
Starting point is 00:57:05 So James Gadsden was a real piece of shit Oh, no! What? Come on Yeah, I know You're shocked He was the president of the South Carolina Railroad Company And in 1850 he advocated for South Carolina
Starting point is 00:57:19 To secede from the Union Because they admitted California as a free state You see, he had said That slavery was quote, a social blessing But of course, as we know, the choice to secede Had nothing to do with wanting to keep enslaving people No, no, no They definitely didn't put it in that big like
Starting point is 00:57:35 Why we are going to secede a kind of thing So California went too far south Geographically for his tastes Because it should have been a slave state Since it went down into that So that was his problem Yeah, imaginary lines So his plan when Carolina didn't
Starting point is 00:57:52 End up going ahead and secede back then He decided his new plan was going to be To try to break up California into two states And make the southern part of it a giant slave colony Which also didn't succeed One of his plans for the California slave colony Was to use slave labor to build a railroad After all, that was the business he was in
Starting point is 00:58:11 In 1853, Franklin Pierce sent Gadsden to Mexico To negotiate for more land along the border And the reason he was sent was because We wanted that land in order to build A southern transcontinental railroad Gadsden was successful in his negotiation trip And now the land in the Gadsden purchase Is one of the largest rail hubs in the country
Starting point is 00:58:29 Now I would also be remiss if I didn't tell you That James Gadsden was also pretty deeply involved In the negotiation of those treaties The U.S. made to remove native tribes from their land This, of course, was during the time of Andrew Jackson And the Trail of Tears So you know that this dude was not a very cool guy I'm pretty sure he was super cool
Starting point is 00:58:46 When you have was involved in the Indian removal process And tried to start a slave colony in a state He didn't live in, both on your resume You've really earned your place in history As a gigantic piece of shit Yeah, that's something that only he And like half of our presidents can share, really
Starting point is 00:59:03 That being said, this is an example Of the U.S. paying another country for a plot of land However, it does kind of fall into the exact same problem As any of the other purchases And that the move was never the will of the people Who lived in the land that it was purchased Like the land that was in question Also, that $10 million went to Santa Ana
Starting point is 00:59:22 Who Alex knows as the villain of the story of the Alamo So he probably shouldn't be so thrilled that we gave $10 million to one of his greatest historical arch-villains His heroes, Alex's heroes, didn't negotiate With a tyrant like Santa Ana They stood up and bravely held their ground They didn't give him $10 million for the Alamo He literally knows nothing about what he's talking about
Starting point is 00:59:42 If you think too hard or read too much about American history You'll hurt yourself, Dan Just believe what you want to believe about it That's the best way to go through life I guess so I bet Alex is minding He's almost thinking that he's Developed a progressive colonialism
Starting point is 00:59:58 Where we actually pay the people who live there Yeah, he probably feels insecure about how like There's a pretty forward thinking He's probably like, look at me, I am a classical liberal Alright, hey Yo, I am a good guy I think I am, pat myself on the back I'm getting soft, to be honest
Starting point is 01:00:16 Dick So, in his next clip, Alex Just directly is advocating for colonizing Sure, great And we could go in there and Have a referendum and buy it from them for nothing And then they would get major investment And then major amounts of people moving there
Starting point is 01:00:30 And then everybody would be trying to move to Greenland 50 years after we buy it Guarantee, there'll be There'll be flotillas of people Trying to break into the country There'll be huge migrant caravan ships They'll have to put fences up around Greenland
Starting point is 01:00:46 Once there's shopping malls and movie theaters And all sorts of giant Greenhouse facilities, growing food And then once we develop it And there's all these, you know, incredible Mountain ski resorts and hot springs I mean, Greenland is incredible Greenland is magic
Starting point is 01:01:04 Maybe we can show that New York Times Photo of Greenland It looks like where Santa Claus lives or something Or something Wow Yeah This is stupid Uh-huh
Starting point is 01:01:14 And it bums me out to hear a grown up Talking like that Yeah That's dumb Although on the other hand I bet Pompeo is talking to Boris Johnson About something very similar for the Whenever Scotland and Northern Ireland leave
Starting point is 01:01:30 Pompeo would be like, hey, Boris What if we just bought England, buddy? You guys, we used to be your colony Now you get full circle, man Narrative circles I mean, it is I don't know if that would necessarily Be in the realm of realistic
Starting point is 01:01:45 But that's like in line with the sort of Conversation Alex is opening up Yeah, absolutely Like it becomes like this really fucked up Box that he's opening That I don't think is good No, and it kind of suggests that he thinks Any country could just vote to become a state
Starting point is 01:02:03 And if we paid them to I do think he thinks that I think he thinks that Yeah It kind of sounds like if a, you know And it can't be one of the Middle Eastern states Because he'll be very angry about it But like if Laos just was like
Starting point is 01:02:17 You know what, we want to become a United States state So we had a vote Give us, I don't know, two million each We're a real bargain country Two million each And then we'll just be fifty first state Now you're suggesting that other states
Starting point is 01:02:32 Could initiate this process Of course, yeah And make us make big states They're going to make an offer Yeah, they're making us an offer Eventually we used car salesmen our way Into owning the world I mean really, that is like
Starting point is 01:02:46 On a very basic level What he's dipping his toe into is Expansionism It is empire It's not good When you have a guy who's deeply, deeply White supremacist White identity to his core
Starting point is 01:03:02 And then you add in expansionist Interested in empire I really don't see any corollary Or historical parallel at all I'm not saying that he's advocating For taking over the world yet But I'm saying that this is not Language you like to see out of that
Starting point is 01:03:19 Kind of guy Well, the next sentence out of his mouth is Have we considered invading Poland? I think it might be a good way to go I mean, step one Creak that blitz Well, we'll kind of get into how This rhetoric is very easily molded
Starting point is 01:03:35 Once it's established Which I think is important But we have to wait for him to play out His thoughts first In this next clip, Alexer says Some more stupid shit There's a whole bunch of other pages of horrible Stupid, evil purchases
Starting point is 01:03:50 By other dirty Americans That believe in manifest destiny And to expand with our renaissance And our superior ideas And to build an amazing place Everyone would want to come to Which we did But now folks want to conquer us
Starting point is 01:04:04 They want to take us over So here you have it, ladies and gentlemen There you have it What? They're superior The ideas were superior And that's why we ended up taking Over all of this stuff
Starting point is 01:04:16 Oh boy Yeah, I mean like Okay So I mean, I think you get all You need from that Oh god They just can't go that next step Of being like, well, if our ideas
Starting point is 01:04:29 Were superior then So we get to conquer them Does that mean should someone have ideas Superior to ours now They get to conquer us? Well, I mean then Alex We probably need to do a lot more work In trying to refute the arguments
Starting point is 01:04:44 And ideas of the UN Yeah He feels like they're trying to conquer him Yeah, it seems like they have superior ideas though To him, yeah Yeah, so then I guess they should be Allowed to take over whatever they want I mean, Alex's ideas are dirt bad
Starting point is 01:04:57 See, there we go He has no choice but to acquiesce To you and control By his own arguments Yeah So in this next clip Alex talks horribly About the people of Greenland
Starting point is 01:05:09 And we could go in there And buy it from the indigenous population That's autonomous from Denmark Even under a bidding war What? $200 billion would be chicken feed All that's on it now is a bunch of shacks A couple hundred thousand people
Starting point is 01:05:29 And that's seasonal So, you know, man If Greenland is just a bunch of shacks It's wildly impressive That their GDP is $2.7 billion Their capital city, Nook Has a population of about 19,000 That's a ton of shacks
Starting point is 01:05:43 The country has 14 airports in it Or as I like to call them Flying Shacks Get the fuck out of here You're so proud of yourself All bullshit aside This rhetoric is fucking insane This is the language of colonialism
Starting point is 01:05:56 And because it's coming out of Alex's mouth And it's being used to describe the Inuit peoples That he wants to pillage resources from This is the language of white supremacist colonialism There's no difference between the sentiment That holds up what Alex is saying And the notions that the people of Africa were savages Who needed the Europeans to come in and civilize things
Starting point is 01:06:14 Alex is talking about the people who live in Greenland With the same disdain And discussing his plans for what he wants to do With their country the exact same way You would expect to hear from some shill For the colonialist powers to do back then This is empire shit This is exactly what Alex stands against
Starting point is 01:06:31 No, he is also the chief propagandist For the East India oil company I know he thinks he's framing this as some kind of a Like we'll go in and pay them so they vote To let us take all their shit and turn their country Into something they don't recognize anymore But the reality is that at no point has Greenland Ever been interested in being bought
Starting point is 01:06:48 Both the prime minister of Greenland and Denmark Have both said that the idea is absurd And they're not interested in selling the fucking country Because of course they're not The Sydney Morning Herald interviewed residents of Teslik who were uniformly just laughing at Trump One said quote, I think it's a ridiculous idea I think it sounds stupid
Starting point is 01:07:07 It wasn't just the Democrats or Trump's Political enemies who were laughing at him It was the people that he wanted to buy And fuck over And here's why this conversation is happening This is a means to warm up to the idea Of future adventures and colonialism I have zero idea what Trump is thinking
Starting point is 01:07:24 Or what his intentions are Or if this is just him talking shit But I get the very strong sense that Alex Wants it to be a sincere suggestion He wouldn't be spending so much time on his show Defending the idea if he weren't interested In it being something that's actually pursued He is absolutely unequivocally
Starting point is 01:07:40 Using the language of colonialism To describe the state of affairs he wishes to see In the world, namely that the United States Becomes expansionist He's using dehumanizing and delegitimizing descriptions And imagery to describe the people who would Be affected by the colonization To make listeners care less about them
Starting point is 01:07:56 He's describing the wonderful outcomes That would be the result of colonization He's implying that expanding your country And gaining wealth is absolutely The thing that freedom does This is a profoundly dangerous development In Alex's rhetoric Up to this point in listening to Alex
Starting point is 01:08:12 I've never heard anything like this And granted, that's probably because we've never had a president Stupid enough to want to buy Greenland But the point is still important He's waiting forever for a president To seemingly endorse American expansion Or he's been so warped by the Trump Rise to power that he no longer realizes
Starting point is 01:08:28 That his primary brand for his entire career Has been explicitly opposed To foreign intervention, regime change Meddling in affairs, all that other shit This is so essentially opposed To what he's supposed to stand for That it really worries me And to be clear, I get that he's not saying
Starting point is 01:08:44 We should go in and invade them right now in Greenland But what if the situation has slightly changed What if we need a strategic resource That they have and they don't want to sell Once you've introduced the idea That it's totally great and a positive thing To buy countries to pillage the resources How easy is it to escalate that rhetoric to conquest
Starting point is 01:09:00 It's very easy You can even use the preliminary rhetoric That you've already done to build your case We tried to buy this very important thing That we need from them But they want us to go without it Which if you really think about it Amounts to an act of war against us
Starting point is 01:09:16 We have to invade them now It's a very dangerous road to walk down And I really, really don't like what it implies About what Alex is now capable of accepting Is it seems like a departure? Well, let's say Oh, I don't know, let's say Greenland Has this resource that we really, really need
Starting point is 01:09:34 And just a couple of years prior to this You know, there's some sort of big attack On the United States and we just And you know what, I found out that The Greenland government They have all of this shit that they're hiding From us, all of these weapons And we just got to go in there
Starting point is 01:09:51 And we got to save the people Freely, they're already United States citizens They're going to greet us They're going to greet us as their liberators It's really not far It's not From preparatory But it's worse
Starting point is 01:10:07 But he made the anti-colonialist arguments During the Iraq The lead up to Iraq war All of that stuff was the same shit But we weren't buying it The problem with regime change Over colonialism Is that sometimes it goes your way
Starting point is 01:10:23 And then sometimes it goes the other direction Back at you, like with Iran we were like We did it and then it all went to shit Real quick Of course it does So Alex is fucking stupid And I think a lot of those other things That we found that invalidate pieces
Starting point is 01:10:39 Of his rhetoric Of being cool with camps For people posicumitatis is kind of out the window Hey man, Rex 84 That stuff is pretty bad And I think it's really damning The stuff here with sort of geopolitical Implications
Starting point is 01:10:55 I find worse I find that to somehow be worse So it really affects The world Yeah, especially when you're talking about The most Ridiculous military might That the earth has ever seen
Starting point is 01:11:11 And the, yeah, no, that's no good We don't want an imperialist country in 2019 But it's, you know, whatever Are the Nazis really coming back that strong? That's too strong It's too strong But look, I mean, Trump just wants to buy Greenland And Alex has more examples of purchases
Starting point is 01:11:27 Really? He does. He's got receipts? He has more purchases How could there be more? You've made your not a point And Trump's an idiot Trump's a terrorist Yes Kind of like that purchase of Alaska For 7.2 million in 1867
Starting point is 01:11:45 Terrible ideas worth Tens of trillions now Midway islands Got that for free, terrible idea So we already talked about Alaska Midway airport? What the fuck is Alex doing? The Midway Islands? What does he think he's doing?
Starting point is 01:12:03 Midway Island has literally I mean this, literally No one living on it When it was discovered in 1859 It was discovered by a captain Who was trying to mine guano, or bird shit And claimed the island for the United States Which is an acceptable thing to do
Starting point is 01:12:19 Because it was unclaimed and completely uninhabited And before anyone gets the wrong idea About this, Midway Island currently has A population of about 40 And no economy or government to speak of It was initially used By the commercial Pacific cable company As a stop in a project to lay
Starting point is 01:12:35 Transatlantic cable lines in the early 1900s After that point it was a strategic Location for the Navy to set up radio towers And of course as World War II Was getting going it was a crucially important Refueling station, since it was halfway Between the United States and Japan Hence the name Midway
Starting point is 01:12:51 In the 60s and 70s there were a couple thousand People stationed there, what with the Vietnam War Going on, but outside of that there's never been A relevant population permanently living on the island And nowadays it's a bird refuge Well that sounds nice So if you're keeping score this one was an I would like Midway Islands to be a 51st state then
Starting point is 01:13:07 Sure, a lot of birds I'll give that one, yeah This was an uninhabited island that was claimed By the United States and no native populations Were hurt or exploited in the process This wasn't a purchase and no one has ever really Lived on the island, there's no culture That's distinct to the island and it's never had
Starting point is 01:13:23 An existence except as a US base Unless you're a bird This has literally nothing in common with Alex's fantasies In Illinois and Greenland, sincerely Alex is the stupidest asshole in the world And he's so terrible at making an argument This is almost embarrassing to listen to this And I absolutely wouldn't care at all
Starting point is 01:13:39 Except for the points that I've been trying to make Throughout this of he is advocating For the return of colonialism And that is very bad Yeah, that's very bad So you have to, when these are the pieces That he's using to reinforce That shift towards that mentality
Starting point is 01:13:55 It's important to understand why these are terrible examples For the island, get the fuck out of here You know, so Being without the constant Content mill For the past 10 days Has been Very nice
Starting point is 01:14:11 It really has But it gave me this perspective While all this Trump is going to buy Greenland shit is going on That I didn't expect to receive Which is Of course he's not going to buy Greenland And even talking about this
Starting point is 01:14:27 Is pretty fucking stupid It's just shit for the content mill But what fascinates me about that Is that if we hadn't Brought this subject up Alex would never have suddenly started Talking about how colonialism is okay And he wants it
Starting point is 01:14:43 And now he's on that side Like this is a thought that he never would have needed To confront Were it not for a bullshit content Grist The reason for it to be something he needs to do Because he needs to defend Trump And the only way to do it in his mind
Starting point is 01:14:59 Is to like, oh yeah Let's do this So the more Trump does dumb shit The more they reveal exactly what's underneath That has been there the whole time Yeah and I guess that's something that's interesting About focusing on what we focus on Is that it's less interesting
Starting point is 01:15:15 That Trump said X It's more interesting how Alex responds to X And how it makes the people who love Trump It's fascinating because you're like I would never have even expected People to really think colonialism Was still okay But it turns out a lot of people are like
Starting point is 01:15:31 Why did manifest destiny stop Yeah it's troubling So here's another example Hawaiian islands That was the worst Oh that was not a purchase Dumb America That was not a purchase
Starting point is 01:15:47 As someone who spent some years of his childhood growing up in Hawaii I can tell you firsthand There are still some not great feelings About the process in which the island nation Was brought into the United States I have a lot of fond memories of my dad Taking me out of school early so we could go to the courthouse For the big King Kamehameha day celebration
Starting point is 01:16:03 Legitimately some of my best memories Are things like that from my time living on the island of Oahu Taking a part in celebration Of a culture that was not my own But I was welcomed into the celebration all the same That was not the full experience Of growing up white in Hawaii I had a really good amount of racism thrown my way
Starting point is 01:16:19 Just because I was white And that's never great But as an adult I kind of understand it In a little bit of a larger context The early history of the Hawaiian islands Is difficult to get into Because all the islands have their own stories We weren't completely like a united thing
Starting point is 01:16:35 Through a lot of history And even had conflicts between each other From time to time Because getting into that is endlessly complicated Though there are some amazing tales that exist in that canon I'm going to choose to start our story today in 1922 Because that's when James Dole The owner of the Hawaiian pineapple company
Starting point is 01:16:51 Which would become Dole Bought the island of Lanai Lanai became almost entirely a pineapple plantation And I remember in my youth being told That normal people like me were not allowed to go to Lanai Because it was wholly owned by Dole I imagine showing up on Lanai Would be something not unlike that scene
Starting point is 01:17:07 In the Leonardo DiCaprio movie The Beach Where Leo accidentally stumbles into A giant marijuana farm on an island But this would be with pineapples The island isn't closed off to people anymore But it might have been When I was there Because the pineapple plantations
Starting point is 01:17:23 Were still operational until the time I lived in Honolulu It was more like Leonardo DiCaprio And Django Unchained than The Beach It may have been By then the Lanai plantation Was a smaller operation It was run by Del Monte Because Dole had fled Hawaii in search of cheaper labor
Starting point is 01:17:39 The pineapple business in Hawaii Was very big And Lanai boasted the largest such plantation In the world, which understandably gave James Dole A very powerful position in the islands Flashback to 1795 King Kamehameha Has united the islands
Starting point is 01:17:55 Into a single kingdom His descendants rule until 1872 The line ending with the death of the childless King Kamehameha the fifth With no air, chaos descended On the process of determining the next ruler When things got a little bit out of hand The forces stepped in to quell the violence
Starting point is 01:18:11 Ultimately leading to the ascension Of King Kalakua Although initially on friendly terms With Western interests In time Kalakua began Entertaining ideas of creating a federation Of Polynesian states Each independent and sovereign
Starting point is 01:18:27 But cooperative in their interests This was not something that the western business Interests wanted to see happen Things were all right for their business Interests as it was When the states got together They could ultimately jeopardize their corporate power Through exports and trade
Starting point is 01:18:43 Labor unionizing So on July 6th 1887 King Kalakua was Literally forced at gunpoint to sign a new constitution For Hawaii that was written by the white Business owners and was designed To disenfranchise the native population And make it easier for their businesses
Starting point is 01:18:59 To run roughshod over nature and the native peoples It's remembered by its appropriate name The Bayonet Constitution The men who made Kalakua sign The Constitution were members of a group Called the Hawaiian League Which was comprised of sugar and pineapple business owners Missionaries and lawyers
Starting point is 01:19:15 This was legitimately a white secret Society aimed at overthrowing the kingdom Of Hawaii and getting the U.S. To annex the islands They exerted their control by joining up With a local white militia called the Honolulu Rifles Who were literally the ones pointing the guns During the signing of the Bayonet Constitution
Starting point is 01:19:31 The new constitution took much of the power Away from the monarch and gave that power To the legislature Generally democratization when it's not forced At gunpoint is a good thing But this constitution also specified And put in place new requirements For voting rights that would disenfranchise
Starting point is 01:19:47 Most of the native population of the island Leaving only the white settlers And business owners as the ones Who could elect the members of the legislature To get elected even one had to quote Own real estate within the kingdom Of clear value Kalakua's cabinet was dismissed
Starting point is 01:20:03 Some fleeing the country And under Feelings that they were going to be killed And then that cabinet was replaced Wise feelings And that the cabinet was then replaced By members of the Hawaiian League This was not democratization
Starting point is 01:20:19 This was a coup Just like Georgia Kalakua died Not the country Brian Kemp Kalakua died in 1891 And was succeeded by his sister Queen Lilio Kalani Who was recognized as the last monarch
Starting point is 01:20:35 Of Hawaii When Lilio Kalani rose to the throne She made it clear that it was her intention To restore power to the monarchy Specifically targeting the business interests That had been behind the original coup That scared the shit out of the business owners And members of the Hawaiian League
Starting point is 01:20:51 Who had by now changed their name To the committee of safety The goal of the actions of the white settlers Has been aimed at the annexation of Hawaii They really wanted the United States To take over Hawaii Most of the momentum was A lot easier to suppress people
Starting point is 01:21:07 Whenever you got the whole United States behind you Most of the momentum was coming from Americans Who wanted to take the islands But they also used the fear that if we didn't do it The British or the Japanese would To rally politicians to their side Nationalism being used in a negative I don't know
Starting point is 01:21:23 All that really stood in the way of their ability Lilio Kalani was clear in her position That she stood against annexation And thus the members of the committee for safety Knew that they had to actually overthrow the queen Which is what they paved the way To do in order to help pave the way For the United States to have no reason
Starting point is 01:21:39 To not annex On January 14th, 1893 Queen Lilio Kalani gave a speech Indicating her intention to invalidate The bayonet constitution She made clear she would not seek To quote deprive one white man Of any legitimate right
Starting point is 01:21:55 But she quite accurately also pointed out That quote, any newly arrived white man Without interests or intention of residence Is placed as a voter above the heads Of thousands of my subjects To whom God had given these islands And no other home She presented cabinet ministers with the new constitution
Starting point is 01:22:11 That she wanted to enact Which they refused to sign Before fleeing the government building Afraid of the crowds of Hawaiians Who had gathered to support the queen They decided to frame their coming actions As purely a means to protect the lives And property of white citizens
Starting point is 01:22:27 Pretending there was a noble reason For their clear incitement and conspiracy The reasons for framing the situation like this Was because they knew that the U.S. military Would not openly support their efforts To overthrow the queen, but they would Intervene to protect U.S. citizens If the illusion was created that
Starting point is 01:22:43 That's what they were needed for You could get the military into play Charles Burnett Wilson The presidential of the kingdom Caught wind of the overthrow plot And attempted to get arrest warrants For the members of the committee Who were agitating against the government
Starting point is 01:22:59 But because they were all well-placed business people With connections in the legislature The requests were denied His quote at the time was I don't think they're really interested In safety at all, guys I think this whole name thing I think they're fucking with us
Starting point is 01:23:15 Knowing that there was trouble brewing A narrative to bring the U.S. military into the city And the defenders of the throne were no match For the forces behind the coup Lilio Colani surrendered and the committee Conspirators took over the government Installing, you guessed it, Stanford Dole as the president
Starting point is 01:23:31 Who is the cousin of James Dole The plantation of Lanai over there Okay, okay, so you're saying That there is like this whole Intertwined political business Kind of circumstance going on It's a good thing that America grew out of all that Now we're the champions of democracy
Starting point is 01:23:47 Abroad, right, Dan? Right, freedom Stanford Dole was like leading These groups, or at least was like A big agitator in these groups And his brother, or not brother I'm sorry, his cousin owned Lanai And was the plantation
Starting point is 01:24:03 And prosario So their plan seemed like it worked out perfectly And now it was time with Dole in charge It was time for the U.S. to come and annex White Unfortunately, Grover Cleveland was president At the time and he wasn't into this kind of Imperialist shit
Starting point is 01:24:19 Cleveland actually advocated for Lilio Colani To be restored as queen So he was of no help to these plotters Hey guys, real quick, I'm gonna try And do the whole America believes the Bullshit that we say about ourselves thing Real quick, so business owners I'm sorry, I'm not gonna get you back on this one
Starting point is 01:24:35 Please make sure that my terms are consecutive All their coo work Seemed to be for nothing And he had to be discouraged Dole declared Hawaii an independent republic Waited a few years until McKinley came to office Who agreed to annex the island And that Jordan is how Hawaii came to be a part of
Starting point is 01:24:51 The United States It was a sneaky brutal series of plots carried out By white settlers and business interests For the express purpose of disenfranchising The native populations so their business could prosper A gorgeous and rich history and culture Subjugated to the interests of higher profits An increased sugar exports
Starting point is 01:25:07 And that's why we sing God bless America For every baseball game It's pretty much exactly what Alex wants For the Inuit people of Greenland On the one hand, I didn't enjoy the kids At my elementary school would call me Howley When I lived in Hawaii But when you understand the history a little bit better
Starting point is 01:25:23 It kind of makes sense So on behalf of King Kamehameha And Queen Lillio Kalani I take this opportunity to say, Alex Jones You're a goddamn Howley You fucking asshole Go swim with the Humuhumu Nuku Nuku Kalikimaka
Starting point is 01:25:39 I really don't want you to say those words where he might Come close to trying to pronounce them Humuhumu Nuku Nuku It's a state fish Oh is it? Kalikimaka means Merry Christmas Yes, that one I do now in Hawaii Because there are songs
Starting point is 01:25:55 Those are about all the Hawaiian words I remember All right I knew a bunch more at a certain point That one's a little bit More of a terrible example for Alex To be using just because of how explicit It is and how known The history is
Starting point is 01:26:11 It's a legit conspiracy That was carried out to overthrow The monarchy of Hawaii For the explicit purpose Of helping with these sugar Plantations The pineapple plantations The missionaries
Starting point is 01:26:27 It was a coup It's something that Alex should not be in favor of He's using it as a great example Of American expansion There's a coup The coup already occurred In our fucking 2016 election Why did Georgia become
Starting point is 01:26:43 You know Why didn't Brian Kemp win is because of voter suppression Is because he had control over who was Allowed to vote Why did Trump win because of voter suppression Because we work on this Electoral college system that is fucking stupid
Starting point is 01:26:59 They steal elections Why did George W. Bush They steal elections There's no way there's going to be a free and fair election In 2020 anyways What are we talking about? Philippine islands, terrible idea Purchase a bunch of that from Spain
Starting point is 01:27:15 Wait, did he just say that the Philippines Islands was a terrible idea? Getting them was a terrible idea Because we bought them from Spain Which is not true at all He's saying it facetiously Terrible idea Philippines are not a part of the United States
Starting point is 01:27:31 We didn't buy them from Spain We seized the islands in 1898 After the Spanish-American war And installed a military government on the island Fearing that if we didn't the Japanese would come in And take over This naturally led to a three year long Philippine-American war where Filipino nationalists
Starting point is 01:27:47 Continued their fight for independence Just against us this time because we were the one Colonizing them You're really not telling positive stories about America Certainly not Would you like to hear more positive things about white people? I would if Alex brought up examples for me To talk about that but he's trying to glorify
Starting point is 01:28:03 All these examples of horrible times Tens of thousands of Filipino soldiers As well as civilians were killed in that conflict The list of war crimes committed by U.S. forces In that war is a very long one I don't want to get into it But it definitely did not include killing Entire villages of people
Starting point is 01:28:19 Whatever the case the war resolved And the U.S. put in a transitional government That would give way to the Philippines Which was achieved in 1935 This lasted a few years until they were Occupied by Japan in World War II And the government was sent into exile After that the country went on to become independent
Starting point is 01:28:35 Again and joined the UN Then of course came the rise of the brutal Dictator Ferdinand Marcos Excuse me, I meant to say brutal U.S. Backed dictator Ferdinand Marcos Excuse me, I meant to say brutal U.S. Back dictator and Roger Stone client Ferdinand Marcos
Starting point is 01:28:51 Marcos ruled the country for 21 years And he never raised his people and stole a shitload of money Alex is citing the Philippines And citing it as some kind of example Of positive U.S. involvement Is an indication that he legitimately has zero idea What he's talking about Or he's super into people like Ferdinand Marcos
Starting point is 01:29:07 And honestly these days Yeah, no, absolutely Of course he is If he likes to do terror now Why wouldn't you love Ferdinand then Yeah So that's it for the examples So it brings us to the end of this list
Starting point is 01:29:23 And I don't think he's made any cogent argument here In terms of why it's not dumb To suggest to buy Greenland Most of these aren't purchases Most of them were brutal Exploitations of native people But not white people so it's fine And they were profitable
Starting point is 01:29:39 I don't disagree with that angle on it But if that's the only vector you're using To determine whether or not this was a good thing that happened You were going to justify anything Let's not even get into For whom were they profitable Say, okay, so you say The Louisiana Purchase was profitable
Starting point is 01:29:55 Definitely wasn't profitable For the people who were already living there And frankly it's not even that profitable For the people who moved there But it sure as fuck is profitable For the giant people who The giant business owners who Fucking make a shit ton of money
Starting point is 01:30:11 Exploiting all the people So when I started out to do this episode I was hoping to cover like Friday Sunday, Monday, even You know, like do a big Stretch of present day stuff But that was like That was so crazy
Starting point is 01:30:27 That I was like, well, I don't think I can get past The 16th That's a legitimately insane Thing that Alex is trying to argue Just because his hero Said something stupid Just to defend that he has to go all the way To advocating for colonialism
Starting point is 01:30:43 To return for the United States In a terrifying fashion So now he jumps off that And we get to just some dumb Defending Trump about other stuff Shit, this is really stupid Yep, Trump's an idiot He's a bad guy
Starting point is 01:30:59 Well, you just heard the former Deputy Director of the FBI He said the Trump supporters Are like terrorists Last week he said Trump lowered the flags to have staff To Heil Hitler Because he knows leftists will actually believe that
Starting point is 01:31:17 Yes, he ordered him lowered on a certain date and Brought back up another to Salute Hitler because it was 8-8 You know, not many people know That a very small group of prisoners Like the number 88 because it's the number Of the alphabet, it kind of becomes
Starting point is 01:31:33 A schizophrenic thing that Really? Is 8 And so H, H, 8, 8 Right, a small group Of prisoners believe that? Alex Oh man, that's me Thinks he does protest too much on that one Yeah, that's... Just a small
Starting point is 01:31:49 Group of prisoners, Alex Right I could get into the numerous times that Frequent past Alex Jones guest Jack Pasobic has Tweeted out weird things about 1488 Yeah But let's leave that alone for now
Starting point is 01:32:05 It was a good year, Dan, it was a good year Sure, so Alex is referencing an appearance Made by Frank Figliuzzi On the 11th hour That show on MSNBC This dude's a former counterintelligence guy For the FBI and he spent a ton of time Researching and studying extremist groups
Starting point is 01:32:21 So when he was appearing on the show He pointed out that lowering the flags It's not lowering the flags, it's re-raising The flags on 8-8 is probably A bad publicity move that would be interpreted As hailing of Hitler by people who wanted To see it as that He was very clear that he wasn't saying
Starting point is 01:32:37 That Trump did it deliberately, but was saying Of the extremist community on the right Currently is such that something like this Will likely be seen as some indication Of tacit support The lowering was meant to be about The El Paso and Dayton shootings Which were on August 3rd and 4th, respectively
Starting point is 01:32:53 So the argument essentially was that It would have been a wiser or safer PR move If the flags would have been chosen To be re-raised on any other day Since it wasn't a timely thing It wasn't a speed thing, it wasn't like We gotta raise it as soon as possible On the 9th, if you wanted, it would have been just as easy
Starting point is 01:33:09 So what he was saying is that the White House If they understood the white supremacist movement In the country that they were dealing with Someone would have advised him against Doing it on 8-8 Really the main criticism seems to be That Trump and his people seem unaware Of the reality of the extremist movements in the country
Starting point is 01:33:25 It doesn't seem to be criticism that Trump Is racist or a Nazi or anything like that Just that he's not getting good advice That could possibly avoid sending the wrong message From that, Alex gets that a former New director of the FBI is on TV Calling Trump and his supporters Nazis I feel like you wouldn't make that kind
Starting point is 01:33:41 Of misleading leap You know, generally Unless there was a part of you that was worried About people rightly calling you a Nazi I think this is A doth protest too much If you get defensive too fast That's when you know what you're
Starting point is 01:33:57 Actually afraid of revealing You're trying to create the idea That any criticism of you is saying That you're racist or a Nazi Because you know eventually valid criticisms Of you being a racist or a Nazi You're going to come up and you want to preemptively Be like, oh all criticisms
Starting point is 01:34:13 They just say I'm a racist By doing it too preemptively You're just too open with it And that's kind of a big part of Alex's career Exactly, he's the weakest link So Alex has This is a little bit of an ad piece That he has
Starting point is 01:34:29 And you'll see how he's trying to raise money now To remind folks of this We're only here because of you And In the last two weeks The Democratic Party Has filed two more lawsuits on me for Sandy Hook Because they believe that the Court of Appeals
Starting point is 01:34:49 Is going to throw their lawsuits out Coming up in September The Democratic Party hasn't done that Sandy Hook parents have No, it's the DNC And I would suggest That actually more lawsuits Is a very bad sign for Alex
Starting point is 01:35:05 Because these parents wouldn't be filing these lawsuits If it looked like the other ones Were going to fail The only reason that they would add more lawsuits Is like oh my god this is actually going to work We're actually going to have our voice heard I think that this is a Terrible sign for Alex
Starting point is 01:35:21 And of course that's what he would use to try and fundraise Like I'm going to need I've got more legal fees guys I've got more fucking fights And that's why we've got Norm Paterson To actually directly ask you For the money that I'm going to pay Actually I think Norm is
Starting point is 01:35:37 I want to let people know that I'm not as interested In your cases and I want to help defend This ice guy who Tried to drive over people So Alex has some guests On the show Okay Norm was on earlier but he's
Starting point is 01:35:53 So boring I just don't care So we have this guy Coming up Which guy? Dishonest methods and practices Among which are political bias Boosting and deboosting Of search results for specific websites
Starting point is 01:36:33 Perjury of Google CEO Sundar Pachaita Congress and other questionable Practices I want to play So we got this guy Greg Coppola Who was featured in a project Veritas video
Starting point is 01:36:49 I heard Alex announced that he was going to have This dude come on And talk about how Google is trying to Crush conservatives and I just let out an exasperated sigh I'm so tired of these clunky ass attempts At journalism from James O'Keeffe I just can't stand them
Starting point is 01:37:05 They're all equally bad and misleading but they're exhausting They're exhausting to get into Yeah that's what he's doing The more time you have to spend reacting Is the less time you spend Doing something valuable It's the name of the game I decided that instead of caring about Alex's interview
Starting point is 01:37:21 He's going to watch the project Veritas video To see if I should even give a shit about what this guy Is claiming to be a whistleblower about Namely that Google is trying to election Metal by silencing conservatives I legitimately had to turn off the video Long before it was done because this guy is saying Fucking nothing
Starting point is 01:37:37 He says that the way Google is Censoring conservatives is that they only Aggregate a small number of sources For their news category That Google has searched and the news results And that those news sources Quote vitriolically against President Trump Which I consider to be interference
Starting point is 01:37:53 In the American election I decided to put this to the test By just Googling Donald Trump Clicking on the news tab and seeing what comes up The second result was from Fox News The third result was from USA Today With the scathing headline Quote Baron Trump is taller than his mom
Starting point is 01:38:09 Even in her heels and he's sporting a new haircut A little further down the results Just so you know I am rooting now For climate change to get rid of humanity In case you were wondering A little further down the results You get an article from the national review The outlet founded by notorious leftist
Starting point is 01:38:25 William F. Buckley There's another article from Fox News Quote Heather McDonald Trump is not the one dividing us by race His rivals are obsessed with quote white privilege And another one There's another Fox News article Quote John Voight declares Trump is
Starting point is 01:38:41 Greatest president of the century Okay Let's take a look at the news that are included In Google's news search Footwear news Sporting news WebMD, wine spectator Men's health and of course
Starting point is 01:38:57 Fish stripes The only podcast you need to know about If you're a fan of the Miami Marlins All of these sites and tons of others Show up in Google's news feed So I kind of suspect that this guy just might be talking Shit and people like James O'Keeffe Really want to listen
Starting point is 01:39:13 To this pro Marlins propaganda That you're throwing on our show Fish stripes Free plug The Miami Marlins are an evil organization It may be But their podcast shows up in the news Section of Google
Starting point is 01:39:29 The second thing that this dude says Is that 20% of all searches for Donald Trump Go to an article from CNN Jordan, how many CNN results do you think I found in the first page of Google news By searching for Donald Trump First page, that's like what 15 results?
Starting point is 01:39:45 0 There were 2 results from Fox News On the first page though So out of 2 stories displayed I don't know if you know this 2 out of 7 is more than 20% It does seem like that 2 out of the 10 stories on the second page
Starting point is 01:40:01 Were about Trump from CNN So that would be 20% If it weren't for the first page Because now we're up to 2 out of 17 After that point there were about 2 stories Per page from CNN But that doesn't necessarily mean anything nefarious CNN puts out a whole lot of content
Starting point is 01:40:17 And looking through the search results And where they seem to come from The places that put out a lot of material And aren't named info wars Seem to pop up most frequently Fox News, Politico, Washington Post CNN, the AP, Reuters, The Hill Guardian, USA Today
Starting point is 01:40:33 Then you have some of the other folks sprinkled in A Rolling Stone article here National Review article here I don't really see much that seems fishy here Quite honestly Without what I would call proof I think it's perfectly reasonable assessment For why there's a whole lot more content
Starting point is 01:40:49 That appears to be negative about Trump Is that he's doing a lot of negative things No one would write a story about him Being an idiot for wanting to buy Greenland If he hadn't said he wanted to buy Greenland There wouldn't be stories about him Getting into a petty fight with the mooch If he hadn't gotten into a petty fight with the mooch
Starting point is 01:41:05 Or the media to cover negative things that Trump Does in a positive way Or decrying that they don't Is essentially saying that you're mad That the press isn't a controlled arm of the state And I don't really have a lot of time for that position Thank you Thank you for finally saying it
Starting point is 01:41:21 Right, if you're demanding positive coverage Of things that are pretty negative I don't, like what do you want CNN to write an article, but isn't it awesome That Trump and mooch are fighting Yes, why aren't you doing this Isn't it great that our fearless leader president Is willing to confront his critics
Starting point is 01:41:37 Head on, man to man See, I wrote your CNN article Next, give me another headline I'll rewrite it, pro Trump I really didn't see anything worthwhile In this guy's comments, and he kept Couching all of his answers to questions Like when he was asked
Starting point is 01:41:53 Instead of saying that there was bias You'd say he believes there is He seems actually resistant to saying anything That's something that people could nail down To demand evidence of There's also one point where He says that he doesn't actually know What Google is doing, but he says
Starting point is 01:42:09 But what they do do, and then he smirks At the camera almost cracking himself up Because he said do do Which is suspicious This is not something I'm going to take too seriously And he helped me not take him too seriously When he told James O'Keeffe Quote, I don't have a smoking gun
Starting point is 01:42:25 That's putting it way too strongly He doesn't have anything except notions O'Keeffe basically got a guy who works at Google To say I have nothing to back anything up Other than my own thoughts But I think all of your anti-media propaganda Is totally right It's possible that this guy is pranking O'Keeffe
Starting point is 01:42:41 He seems really squirrely And constantly doing looks to the camera And smiling like he's Jimmy Fallon Trying to keep it together in an SNL sketch Is he zacking from Saved by the Bell? I don't know, there's a weird vibe He's giving off, but that just could be Like social awkwardness or something
Starting point is 01:42:57 And the possibility that this is a prank For sure, it's probably not, but it's possible Why not? The other possibility, which is way more likely Is that this guy is just a right-wing weirdo Who believes all the propaganda narratives Put out by the extreme right-wing media Like Alex, Project Veritas and Tucker Carlson
Starting point is 01:43:12 Which are weirdly the three places I've seen him pop up for interviews Some of my reasoning for this When he talked about CNN showing up in the news feed He seems to think they shouldn't because Trump has called it Quote, very fake news He also suggests that all it would take To skew the news results at Google
Starting point is 01:43:29 Would be a few people working in a secret project But he doesn't in any way indicate that he's aware That such a project exists, so he's kind of Just speculating and talking shit In the same way that Alex does And all this other right-wing media does He says, quote, I think the way that Google Works, the way that Democrats work
Starting point is 01:43:46 The way their allies work in the media They don't really want a lot of questioning of anything They just want to call people names And get them to tow a certain kind of line Man, it sounds like I've heard almost that word-for-word From other places where you might have heard that from Right, the way that Google works The way that Democrats work, bundling that all up
Starting point is 01:44:05 And he says that immediately after saying that At work at Google on a day-to-day basis That everyone knew that he liked Trump And no one cared, so I don't know what he's responding to This interview is shit The guy isn't saying anything and the best way to sum it up Is that this is yet another Project Veritas video These tech companies absolutely do need to be addressed
Starting point is 01:44:23 There are serious problems that need to be taken care of But I know these guys well enough to know That I cannot find common cause with them There's superficial agreement with what I would The position I would have The agreement is about what the problem is Describing the problem That covers up a massive disagreement underneath
Starting point is 01:44:41 About why we think something is a problem So fuck all this Like, it bothers me Because either they know exactly how cartoonish they're being Because literally what they're doing is saying Okay, we need content that says what we want it to say But we can't get that content So we'll make some content and just say it says what we wanted it to say
Starting point is 01:45:04 Yeah That's cartoonishly evil That's cartoonish But the manipulation seems to work It works, but it's quite... You can't be that stupid about it And get people to believe you, but apparently you can Yeah
Starting point is 01:45:18 We're living in a Captain Planet episode And somehow people are not realizing that The bad guy is the guy who looks like a giant rat Yeah They're like, that guy seems like he's got some good ideas about the environment Yeah, it's weird It is weird when you take a step back Yeah
Starting point is 01:45:34 And look at it through a wider prism So I decided that I wasn't going to cover at all This guy's interview with Alex Because I really felt like the chances are this is like This guy just has a bunch of paranoid notions about elaborate conspiracies And he probably got them from Alex to begin with Yeah So it seems like it would be pointless to hear him repeat those back to Alex
Starting point is 01:45:54 So Alex can say I was right all along Right, it's the feedback machine Yeah And I kind of was like, ah fuck this, I don't even care about his interview I watched the project Veritas video, who gives a shit But it actually goes a little bit off the rails Because he's a fan of the Miami Marlins No
Starting point is 01:46:08 Okay It turned into like, oh, I guess we'll cover it So in this first clip, Alex is talking to this Coppola guy And the two of them seem to think that Twitter is suppressing them Because they don't have enough followers I mean, it's interesting on the Twitter thing, I mean, I got 9,000 followers in the first two hours And I haven't had any more followers Even after I went on Tucker Carlson
Starting point is 01:46:30 Even after the President Trump retweeted me So I think they're getting maybe cute, I don't know I think that's one of the problems is we don't have transparency So it's kind of just like he said Oh, my son went on Twitter a month ago He got 10,000 in, like you said, two hours And then it stopped there Even though he said videos with a half million views
Starting point is 01:46:51 And everybody's saying they're trying to follow him, they're just not able to I don't believe that for a second And maybe those 9,000, 10,000 are about the market that is interested in following you on Twitter Like maybe there's a lot of like older people who read Who watch Fox News that watch Tucker Carlson that aren't on Twitter Maybe the people who are, you know, there's plenty of Maybe the bot networks that overinflate a lot of people's viewer accounts And some like follower accounts
Starting point is 01:47:23 Maybe they haven't picked up on you yet So I mean, there's plenty of reasons why like Yeah, 9,000 followers for you appearing in a Project Veritas video That has like maybe 2,000 likes The Project Veritas tweet about it Yeah Okay, so your video got 2,000 likes from the main account that put it out You ended up with 9,000 followers from that
Starting point is 01:47:44 That seems like normal metrics I don't see anything suspicious about this But they're turning it into proof that they're being blocked I do like that ability to blame any amount of success or lack thereof on secret conspiracies It is really, really comforting Like I wish I could just say of my comedy career The reason that I'm not on TV is because a large group of people have been oppressing me Well, I mean, you do hear that from a lot of comics
Starting point is 01:48:13 Yeah, that's true You do hear a lot of That is true, god damn it, people are fucking stupid That's easy, it's a very appealing It's an appealing mindset to have And I'm glad that in the long period of time where no one was listening to our show We didn't succumb to that sort of rationale for why no one was listening Honestly, I think we're succumbing to the opposite now
Starting point is 01:48:34 Is there a conspiracy of people trying to make us feel better about ourselves for a little bit? Is this a make-a-wish situation that we're living in right now? Right, is there a trap? Yeah, yeah Are we about to get eaten by some sort of weird alien race? Uh-oh They're fattening us up? It's possible
Starting point is 01:48:49 So in this next clip, Coppola makes an absurd statement I mean, honestly, being able to go viral is almost like a human right in the 21st century So I think we really need transparency around why certain things can trend and why certain things can't I am amazed by that level of human rights argument on a show that argues against a lot of really basic human rights Woo! The idea that, first of all, having a social media account even is a human right is crazy And then the idea that you have the right to go viral is insane That's nuts
Starting point is 01:49:27 Yeah, yeah That's, that's astonishing Yeah That is a batshit level of entitlement I can't even, I can't even process Right, and this is from this Google whistleblower Yeah, wow Well, if everybody has a human right to go viral, then we're gonna be really inundated with a ton of terrible content
Starting point is 01:49:48 That is, that is the definition of delusions of grandeur It doesn't get more grandiose than like, if the only possible reason the world does not instantly all kowtow to my whim after my whistleblowing video Is because somebody is suppressing it and they're destroying my human rights To go viral To go viral Wolf Yeah Alex complains about his stake in the social media game by bragging about his appearance on Rogan
Starting point is 01:50:20 Take Joe Rogan's podcast, he admits that they even shadow-banded it, but it's had something like 50 million views on all the platforms It's bigger than a Xelon Musk by over 10 million What about Bernie? It's the biggest podcast he's ever done, but because it's the biggest thing he ever did, it's too dangerous to ever basically probably have me on again So again, being most popular now and being what humans agree with, that's now verboten Alex seems to be forgetting that he did go back on Rogan Yes, he did Like, I don't, I don't, like, this is crazy
Starting point is 01:50:53 We should be allowed to outlaw clearly fake words invented for bullshit Shadow-band If you say shadow-band, get the fuck out of here But it is a real thing, just not in the sense that they're using it None of these people are using it the way it's intended It sounds fucking spacey and like it's in the movies of hackers and he's like, yeah, shadow-band So up to this point, this interview is largely what you'd expect Sort of retreading of the Project Veritas video, and it is exactly that, like, what I didn't care to cover
Starting point is 01:51:25 For sure It's not interesting, it's what you'd expect Alex trying to validate his victimhood through this guy who doesn't seem to have any real information Just senses of things? Yeah And so that's not good And this next clip is why it ended up becoming something that I needed to talk about And that's because Alex brings in another guy from Google
Starting point is 01:51:47 So Zach Voorhees, I thought, made history yesterday It was totally blacked out except for dredgereport.com and viewers and listeners of the show Which is millions of people But we're talking to Greg Coppola, who is a senior engineer, highly respected Put on leave when he went public a month ago at Project Veritas, and he's saying He thinks that Zach Voorhees is the Ed Snowden of Whistleblower so far I certainly thought it with the documents he put out that are incredibly damning that we'll put on screen for TV viewers that Alex hasn't read those documents
Starting point is 01:52:19 No So Zach Voorhees, not to be confused with Alex's source, Zach He's another Google Whistleblower who Project Veritas is promoting He was interviewed by James O'Keefe and almost immediately Journalists ran into some problematic information No! Somebody put him back in... James O'Keefe should be in jail!
Starting point is 01:52:39 Looking through the Zach Guy's Twitter account, people found him saying Quote, the narrative of QAnon has been more accurate than any news outlet Which might not be disqualifying on its own, but it's certainly a bad indicator in terms of a person's judgment and discernment The problem goes deeper though when you look at more of his social media and you find that he's argued that vaccines cause autism He was a big pizza gate guy and has made numerous accusations that the media and government are controlled by Zionists Right, so he has an unimpeachable track record He's even gone so far as to say that Zionists killed Andrew Breitbart Quote, it's very simple, either you go along with the Zionists or you end up like Andrew Breitbart
Starting point is 01:53:17 He accuses, quote, Israel and the Zionist cabal for doing 9-11, which is insane since we all know it was Leo Zagami It was his fault He also accuses the term Zog, which stands for Zionist occupied government multiple times, and that is a huge problem Zog is not a term that casual folks use It has a distinct place in the fringe worlds of anti-Semitism and white supremacy His use of that term is a very strong indication that he himself is an outright white supremacist Or he takes information from white supremacist sources so regularly that he's adopted that term And either of those is not good
Starting point is 01:53:55 It is occasionally heartening to look at these awful people Because, you know, a lot of people when you perceive a Google employee you think Somebody who's this brilliant top of their field, just a super genius level talent And then you see this guy and you're like, oh it could be any old asshole You know, like when Trump became president you had to admit, fucking it doesn't matter if you know what you're talking about Any idiot could become president But at the same time with this, I don't doubt that Voorhees is probably very good at whatever tech stuff he does For sure
Starting point is 01:54:31 It's just that that can also occupy the same brain that believes there's a Zog Yes, yeah, actually It's also probably, you know, I'm putting this down to a dichotomy of him being an anti-Semite Or taking in white supremacist anti-Semite content so much that he just absorbs it And I think it's probably more the case that he's an anti-Semite Based on his use of sarcastic parentheses around words that he wants to denote Jewishness Like when he put them around, quote, the globalist media in a tweet I think that the case for him being a big old piece of shit is pretty strong
Starting point is 01:55:03 Yeah When these parts of Voorhees' belief system started to come up, Project Veritas accused sites like the Daily Beast of attacking the messenger instead of the message They were engaging in ad hominem attacks because they were scared of what Voorhees brought to the table That's what Project Veritas was saying You know, his beliefs had nothing to do with the message Also, interestingly, as documented by Will Summer, Voorhees immediately went back and started scrubbing his social media to erase all this anti-Semitic shit Yeah, naturally Because of course he did
Starting point is 01:55:32 Yeah It's not true or fair to argue that bringing up this stuff is just attacking the messenger It's very relevant The documents he is releasing to a known publicity stunt fraud operation purport to show that there's a grand conspiracy against conservatives in the media Criminal fraud organization It's very relevant that this guy also believes that the Jews control the media and the government So when he tells O'Keeffe that they're tampering with elections to overthrow the government, it's important to realize he believes that it's the Jews doing that The message being put out on Project Veritas is overtly anti-Semitic because of this guy's beliefs that we have prior context to understand what he believes
Starting point is 01:56:10 But because O'Keeffe doesn't mention that aspect of his source, he's able to slightly obscure that reality And just present the information as unbiased and coming from a credible source when he might as well just be reading from a new high-tech version of the protocols of the Elders of Zion This isn't some extraneous piece of trivia about the guy It gives content and shows why he might be trying to go out of his way to prove his theory and why he would stoop to being used by Project Veritas to do so Like if his documents purported what they claimed they did, he would absolutely get a platform to release them on the intercept or any number of places Other media outlets that would be interested in this kind of story You only go to Project Veritas if what you have isn't great, but you want to make a splash in the right-wing media And also if it is a human right for you to go viral
Starting point is 01:56:58 Absolutely Yeah, that is why you go to Project Veritas I looked over the documents that Voorhees released to Project Veritas In a dream! One of the main pieces of evidence that he brought to the table is a list of blacklisted sites that weren't to be included in news search results These included things like Google Drives People have their own Google Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Starting point is 01:57:23 Of course that wouldn't show up in Yeah, no, that would be ridiculous eBay results were excluded, which makes some sense too Which partially because they have their own, you know Yeah And then there's a bunch of torrent sites, which might be a legal issue The only other site that isn't one of those types of sites that's in their blacklisted site list is the Daily Stormer Then there's another section of the list, which is quote, sites with high user block rates
Starting point is 01:57:48 User block rates Which is to say users of Google block these sites themselves And they're noting, oh, there's a really high way above average instance of this Gotcha Okay, so they're not suppressing the search results The people are choosing not to see these results in there And possibly they're on a list because of that Yeah
Starting point is 01:58:09 This is a list of sites that consumers have not wanted to see pop up in results And a whole lot of those are things like angrypatriotmovement.com And girls just want to have guns.com Admittedly, this list is largely conservative But a whole lot of it is overtly anti-Semitic And white nationalist sites too It's not just all conservative things And that also includes sites like liberalamerica.org
Starting point is 01:58:35 Or modernliberals.com They're probably spam organizations that have a liberal bend to them Oh, it also includes media matters, Occupy Democrats, Wonkette And that horrible conspiracy message board above top secret The end of the document includes sites that have been flagged Because they tried to create fake versions of real news sites Like abcnews.com.co Or cbsnews.com.co
Starting point is 01:58:59 Which are obvious just trolling attempts From this document, I don't see any indication that there's some kind of an internal censorship happening What I see is an internal decision to block torrents and the daily stormer And then a giant list of sites that users have blocked at above average rates There's no indication that those sites are at all blacklisted too I mean, I know for a fact that above top secret shows up in search results Since I regularly run into the site when I'm looking into project Camelot stuff So that piece of information doesn't seem good
Starting point is 01:59:29 If that's one of the big pieces of evidence, I say no Yeah, well, the thing that they believe is that the free market means they'll be allowed to win Because they're obviously the most popular So if the free market is saying they don't want us That means that Google is manipulating those people into that blockchain They must Because the only explanation is that they're supposed to win the free market of ideas They have to
Starting point is 02:00:00 And somebody is suppressing them So that idea of, you know, user block versus internal block doesn't mean anything to them Nor should it Because obviously users wouldn't block them Users love them Yeah So another piece of evidence he's provided is a screenshot of a program to classify YouTube channels Depending on how fringe their coverage is
Starting point is 02:00:23 What immediately jumped out to me from this screenshot is that it clearly says, quote, work in progress So who knows if it was even implemented or even followed through on It could have just been an idea The other thing that jumps out is that there's a list of example ratings that the screenshot contains The Wall Street Journal tops the list at 8.53 for their rating indicating a low level of fringeness Then you got Alex Jones down at a negative 1.56 Okay Which makes sense too
Starting point is 02:00:51 Yeah The Young Turks and the Huffington Post have substantially lower rates than Breitbart and Fox News Indicating that their coverage is seen as more fringe This document, if anything, demonstrates a lack of political bias against conservatives Yeah, I would say that it demonstrates the status quo heavily skews towards old white people Perhaps Strange There are apparently thousands of documents that Voorhees released, but I'm absolutely not going to read all of them
Starting point is 02:01:18 He is clearly an anti-Semite who believes the Jews control the media and government Or in the process of installing a Zog In an effort to promote the idea that there's a giant conspiracy about controlling the media and the government He reached out to Project Veritas who chose to highlight those two documents that I have just pointed out Those are the ones that they're pushing to the forefront Then they show absolutely nothing close to what's being touted as what they're showing All in all, this is exactly what I've come to expect from Project Veritas And if there's some, oh, smoking gun in this pile of thousands of documents
Starting point is 02:01:50 Then at best what they've done is a terrible job of presenting it Because the ones that they did point out are bullshit So anyway, Voorhees sucks Occam's razor at this point dictates that if there is a smoking gun Or if there is any evidence at all that Google, Facebook and all these people are going out of their way to suppress conservative voices It would come through some place Even, you know, some piece that has a high margin of respect like the intercept The intercept would totally put it out
Starting point is 02:02:22 Glenn Greenwald would jerk off to the notion if he could prove that they were doing it And he's not the only one, there's tons of outlets Tons of people, not necessarily your CNN or whatever I'm not going to hear about it from a guy who's a zog Who believes in a zog I'm going to hear about it from the intercept So until the intercept or somebody like that comes through with this I'm going to let the zog guy go based purely on his zogginess
Starting point is 02:02:50 I don't need it But it's important, like I know I already made this point But it's important to recognize that those beliefs that he has clearly demonstrated by his social media presence And things that he's put out into the world is disqualifying for him to make arguments about, I don't know, someone trying to control the government and media Because we already know what he believes about that It's a big problem Yeah, you're out immediately I don't need to read any of your documents if you're also the guy who's like
Starting point is 02:03:18 And the zionist run the media Right, so at this point Alex decides that he's going to let these two have a bull session and let them take over the show I'm going to stop there for the hour I think we should have Greg Coppola here with our next guest who's joining us, Zach Voorhees at Perpetual Maniac on Twitter You guys have a discussion here, meeting each other, talking to each other Go ahead What? Hey, Greg, how you doing?
Starting point is 02:03:51 What are we doing? I don't know, I think, I mean Alex does constantly butt in after this, but I think his idea was like, I want to eat lunch Yeah, that has to be right Let these two guys talk, I'm going to eat lunch, yeah, but he keeps butting in Because he thinks that this is some kind of like world changing summit Yeah That he's brokered on the show and he says as much in this next clip This is like Stalin Churchill and FDR, this is crazy, this is a meeting
Starting point is 02:04:46 This is the Lincoln Douglas debates is what's going on It's amazing History History is being made by this This appearance on Alex Jones' fucking stupid show That he spent most of defending the idea of buying Greenland Frost Nixon is coming up I got these two heavy hitters
Starting point is 02:05:07 So in this next clip, Greg Coppola, he's talking about like, man, everybody hates social media So why aren't other ones successful? I was going to say half of America is really being kind of antagonized by tech parts They're not happy, it's the same thing in every country So shouldn't somebody be able to get rich off of this and just catering to these other people if there really was a free market? Well that's what's been said, what if Trump or others got together and promoted a new startup, everyone would leave immediately That's the Achilles heel, there's no bloody revolution, there's no lawsuits, there's no antitrust, just OK Google, OK Apple, FU See, I can actually tell you why this hasn't worked
Starting point is 02:05:45 It's because the people who don't like these social media networks and do still want social media networks There's a lot of people who don't like them and they're like, I'm going to get off this and go live my life They don't bother with this stuff But the ones who leave and have to leave generally are Nazis And white supremacists, and when they create their own spaces that are free from the censorship of Facebook They generally turn into violent, awful shitholes full of people saying some of the most vile shit in the world Like you see it very easily, that's why this doesn't work That's crazy
Starting point is 02:06:20 Which if you are one of those white nationalists, you should kind of look at that as a microcosm of the nation that you would create Would you have your way? It seems like you should take Should you have your white nation, it will look like when you have a white nationalist Twitter It looks like Gab Yeah And that's not good It looks like a place that's going to tear itself apart because the only people within your white nation are the people who want to tear everyone apart
Starting point is 02:06:46 It does seem like it will go that direction So now Alex is just loving having these two guys on And there's not a ton of clips that I've cut of that because I don't really think their conversation was that interesting But I do think it's interesting that Alex polled one of his trademark moves in the middle of the conversation The first to offer you gentlemen together once a week whenever you want a two hour show to say whatever the hell you want with no strings attached I mean the listeners love this, they love a real discussion Alex just loves giving people shows This is not a good way to run your organization
Starting point is 02:07:20 He offers everyone shows Everyone gets a show He offered Barnes a show, he's offering these two guys a show, he offered Mike Rotondo a show I need content, I need it He's offered Caller's shows, it's just insane Where's Old Man House Phone? He might be dead We miss him
Starting point is 02:07:38 R.A.P. Old Man House Phone In this next clip I admit that I only kept this in because I'm petty No it's like Monty Python when the night that goes knit has had all his arms and legs cut off It's like it's done, why are you no more getting obsessed with like target fixation Alex is wrong on two counts I was going to say you can't be wrong on both Pick one That's the Black Knight
Starting point is 02:07:59 The Knights Who Say Knit or the Black Knight You can't say the Knights Who Say Knit are the Black Knight God damn it The Knights Who Say Knit I love that it's so consistent too, he says that all the time He needs to go rewatch Monty Python You know who wrote that sketch? Thomas Jefferson
Starting point is 02:08:16 That's right So in this next clip, Zach Voorhees talks about how he was a part of Occupy This is interesting I think he says something that can't possibly be true Yeah, you know I was attacked by Antifa because I disrupted one of their events when they tried to take over Occupy Wall Street And you know they gave me death threats and it's really funny because I've done more against fascism than all of them combined Wow I'm confused
Starting point is 02:08:53 You believe in a Zog When did the group that the conservatives considered to be Antifa build their own fucking time machine and go back to Occupy Wall Street? There were groups that you could describe as anti-fascist that have existed for a long time in the United States Yeah, but you know exactly what he's talking about Yeah, it's absurd It is absurd The current preoccupation with Antifa does not extend back to Occupy Wall Street No, it does not
Starting point is 02:09:23 He is conflating things for the sake of right-wing propaganda Bullshit, yeah Which is not a good sign And again, he believes in a Zog So anyway, this interview wraps up and Alex gets kind of This tet a tet Towards the end of it, he starts to get into like the spirit Do you feel the spirit guys?
Starting point is 02:09:41 He wants them to talk about how like back when they worked at Google and YouTube They felt like downtrodden and like oh ugly everything is bad But once they started speaking out, the spirit changed Sure He wants to introduce a spiritual aspect of the fight that they're in Sure And that leads to a long esoteric ramble about how If you just get into God, everything is great
Starting point is 02:10:04 Which again, I think highlights this thing that Alex has expressed himself That is his thing, his show is primarily evangelical And he's using a lot of these right-wing things in order to get people in that direction of accepting Jesus Or his version of Jesus And so here's a little piece of that esoteric ramble that ends hilariously There's nothing wrong with yachts, there's nothing wrong with beautiful women There's nothing wrong with a 900 horsepower car But let me tell you, it doesn't come close to promoting real human destiny
Starting point is 02:10:39 And promoting a human future It's so rewarding to stand up against this force And so many people seem so enslaved, they have never tasted They have never imagined communing with God, the higher level And if you just once ever touch it, you'll never want anything else again It's not like Christians, you talk about real Christians, not fake ones about You know, I'm here alive but I can't wait to be with the Lord I can't wait to give, they don't want to die
Starting point is 02:11:14 In fact, most of them are the longest-lived people over 100 years old A lot of Christians are the longest-lived people because they're willing to give up their flesh Why? Why even throw it in? Hangs on because they're already touching heaven And I'm telling you folks, there's a whole new universe waiting for you And something's happening here, the enemy knew it was coming But we didn't believe their lies, we held the course, you held the course Leo Zagami's been holding for 39 minutes, I apologize, he's an amazing author, researcher
Starting point is 02:11:43 Oh God I think probably I want to hear that so much Leo Zagami's been waiting, I want that number to increase every time Leo Zagami is introduced Leo Zagami's been waiting for 28 hours now, we're gonna have him on in just a second There is true comedy and just like, I assume the people listening were like Why is Dan playing this kind of standard Alex talking about religion thing Rambling forever and then be like, I've made Leo Zagami hold this whole time I've been rambling
Starting point is 02:12:20 Now let's get to him, he's Leo, he's Leo, and he's been on hold He's got it all, he did 9-11, let's keep it going So Leo Zagami's on and I don't care I just want to play this one clip that he has, where he expresses something that again is fucked up It's the power of prayer Alex, that is putting together all of us info warriors against a clearly demonic force So it's this aggregate that we are creating to oppose their own aggregate, which means fourth form So we are definitely fighting an epic battle So the info war is brought together by prayer and they're creating an egregor
Starting point is 02:13:04 Shout out to Robert Evans That's created this demonic egregor, which we already know from the last time we talked about this is very clearly traced back to Antisemitic ideas about the Jews creating a demonic entity called the Egregor That inspires them and is running communism or some shit You know that really makes me rethink that Jimmy James line and new news radio Oh yeah, when I zig When they think I'm gonna zig I zig That's what I zag, when they think I'm gonna zag, that's what I zag
Starting point is 02:13:36 Yeah, unfortunately a great joke is tainted by white supremacists Once again white supremacists run shit So the two of them just have a conversation about the Vatican, I don't really care And so that brings us to the end of the episode We get Neo Leo and this episode was crazy I really wanted to cover more time, but I couldn't Outright justifying trying to buy Greenland by appealing to a ton of horrible things from the past And acting like they were purchases that we made in some form and it's absolutely ludicrous
Starting point is 02:14:12 And then also this Google shit is little bit wack and it's worth at least pointing that stuff out But there's really not a ton of Epstein ton Yeah there is a little bit of like, we need to overhaul our education system And I'll tell you who did a great job of doing that, Chairman Mao He really overturned the whole educational system there, it was a win for everybody It does have shades of that, it's ludicrous, it's crazy And so I don't know, I think because of this being so weird and all that I think we'll probably stay in the present for Friday, just to try and get a little closer up speed
Starting point is 02:14:51 See if he's talking about some of the other issues in the world on other days Maybe he just was really into this Greenland riff on this day, maybe, I don't know So we'll see, and we'll be back on Friday and we will see you then, but it's great to be back It is great to be back Missed you Jordan, missed doing this I missed you too buddy, absolutely But until we get back, people can check out, we have a website We do, it's KnowledgeFight.com
Starting point is 02:15:15 Yes, and we also are on Twitter We are at Knowledge Underscore Fight and at Go To Bed Jordan And we're on Facebook We are on Facebook, if you would like to download and listen to an episode of our show Dan, you could go to iTunes Oh, you could also go to our homepage at KnowledgeFight.com I changed it from the most recent episode, that's no longer on the homepage Because I felt like we have so many episodes, it's very hard for people to know where to start
Starting point is 02:15:41 And so I put up on there the episode where he interviews Bob Chapman about Reagan I thought, I'd heard from a number of people that that's a good intro That's the best way to start Yeah, it's a good bottle episode Reagan got pegged No, you spoiled it But if people are looking for, because I do hear from people like, I want to recommend the show But I don't know what episode to suggest
Starting point is 02:16:06 Some people have said that that's a good entry point And so I put that up on the homepage So instead of just saying, I go to the iTunes, there's so many episodes Maybe that's a good place to direct people You know what, that's a great idea So let's do that Go to KnowledgeFight.com and listen to an episode with a shocking twist And there's a bunch of talk about his weird commercials too
Starting point is 02:16:28 That episode was a lot of fun But also, until next time, I've been the Jesus Lizard Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work I love you

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