Knowledge Fight - #333: August 16, 2019
Episode Date: August 21, 2019Today, both Jordan and Alex Jones return from their respective vacations. In this installment, the gents discuss the day Alex got back in the studio and decided to spend most of his time making an abs...urd argument for why Trump is great for wanting to buy Greenland.
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Jordan
What is the weirdest candy you have ever had
I know you appreciate candies from across the world
and you have received many different treats
You know what
Terrible candies do not stick out in my mind
I erase them
I pretend they never exist
Yes yes
I don't want to deal with it
The worst one that sticks out
obviously is those
orange and black
taffies that you would get on Halloween
Those ones that are weird
peanut something or other
Terrible
The ones that stick out the most for me are the positives
Those are the Wonka Bar
I think the Wonka Bar is one of the best
It's fantastic got the Graham crackers
It's a good texture
great chocolate fantastic work
Willie
And then the other one is the
Honeycomb ones
The Honeycomb ones
Crunch Bar I think is the name of it
Crunch is the Nestle
Crunchy maybe
Sure sure sure
It's like a Honeycomb and then just chocolate on it
It's so good
I do not think I've ever heard of that nor
Absolutely never had it
I believe I ran into it initially
My dad would go to conferences
He would go to local literature
would have conferences in various countries
They would have Honeycomb based treats there
Well I mean you go to different countries
I always bring back candies
And I think I encountered one of these Honeycomb candies
from some foreign
market
That's what we were all looking for
We were looking for your foreign candies
Yeah absolutely I love that
I like an arrow
The aerated chocolate
Has a really nice texture too
Because you've just returned from your trip
To South Africa
And you've brought back with you
What looks like probably the most disgusting
Thing ever
It is amazing it is a jelly tots candy bar
Jelly tots
And here's the description of it
White chocolate with original jelly tots
Original
I'm going to give this a shot
This is basically
Gummy bears inside a white chocolate
Coating
That's how it's going to go
Dan your first bite
A little chewy
Good opening review
The jelly tots
Have a very unappealing texture
That's not a surprise
First review
Too much white chocolate
Not enough jelly tot
If you're going to make a white chocolate thing
You're behooved to make it a little bit less
White chocolate
I don't know
I'm not into it
How about that? That's my review
It's not as bad as I thought
It was going to be based on the jelly
Thing and white chocolate combination
You look like you're going to spit this out
I can't chew it
It's a bad texture
That's what I was saying
That's difficult
It's like if you were eating white chocolate
And then a raisin attacked you
It's not a treat
It's just a fight
But I imagine your trip was welcome back
I hope you had a great time over there
And you didn't think too much about the song
Africa by Toto
Again I only thought of it one time
And that was because of your text
I had successfully expunged all
Remembrance of Toto's Africa
Until your text would be on Wednesday
We were texting and I told you
Multiple times
Whatever you do
Hoping that you would be out enjoying
Your rhinoceros
While you're in the shower
Don't worry I'm not reading your diary
Are you?
No it was
It was an incredible trip
We weren't staying in
City or anything
We were staying in a game preserve
Which was
Truly incredible
But even that
Was tainted because
We went out on a drive
Guided by one of the park rangers
At night and as we're
Cresting and on the way back
To the camp he literally turns around
And he's like
We're not really being taken care of here
Anywhere I've been here for 23 years
And they're gonna make me retire
And there's no replacement for me
And so he's going on on this whole thing
And I'm once again
You're like I'm gonna step in
I mean it's awful
It's really awful unlike
Unlike so many places where
Bolsonaro's selling off the
Amazon rainforest to
Loggers and shit like that
But the South African government is just
Starving this place of fun
So I assume it'll go out of business
And then they'll be able to sell off all of the fucking land
It's nightmarish
Sounds like a great vacation
It was incredible
You'd see a lot of great wildlife
Oh yeah I was
Unexpectedly
25 feet away from an elephant
You usually like encounters
With elephants to be expected
Absolutely like those to be expected
It's tough to prepare for startling
Elephant
It was not good
We couldn't see it
It was 25 feet off the main road
And then later on the next day
We heard that the elephant
Had figured out that nobody was
In the camp eating
All of the food there
So the elephant started going into
The camp during the middle of the day
Elephants are sneaky
It was right by the swimming pool on the last day
It was 25 feet away from the swimming pool
I'm just picturing like this elephant tiptoeing
It's bananas
With its big old nose
Well I'm glad you had a great time
And welcome back
Thank you to everybody who has
Been clamoring
For us to get back to work
Get back to business
And an apology and a thank you
To our friend
Who came in
We recorded an episode on Monday
Or to put out for Monday
And I had some tech difficulties
In terms of editing it and getting it out
And hopefully we'll be able to release it
At some point down the line
But in order to keep moving forward
With the process of releasing episodes
And keeping up with the show
It's very difficult to add that
To the moving forward workload
And not having an episode on Monday
And thank Matt Drafke
For being so kind as to come over
It was a delightful time
Yeah that sucks I was looking forward to listening
Many were
Being up until 4am
With a glitchy computer
Makes it impossible to get it out on Monday
It's very difficult
I shouldn't complain
Yes you should
So Jordan today we are back
We are back in business
For the August 16th
2019 episode of the Alex Jones show
As you may know
Alex Jones went on vacation
At the same time you went on vacation
Yeah that was strange
Your vacation was announced
We mentioned it ahead of time
Alex's was not
So he was gone with his family
On vacation for all of last week
And returned on Friday
In the meantime
He had been putting in little video reports
And popping in
While other people were hosting the show
And he'd ride shotgun with them
As he is known to say
But he didn't do
A lot of his own show
Until Friday
When he was actually back in studio
So we'll be picking up the thread there
And it'll be interesting
I don't think it's anything like what anybody would have expected
The show to be
Which is now what we should expect the show to be
Expect the unexpected
Very very weird things
That Alex says in this episode
And I'm excited to break down these things with you
But before we get to that we've got to give a shout out
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And like I said August 16
A lot of people are probably clamoring
To find out what Alex's take on
The death of Jeffrey Epstein is
And I knew going in that
It was probably
He was not going to have a good take on it
Oh yeah
And I listened to a bit of his stuff from the week
And it's exactly what you'd expect it to be
He urged restraint on everybody
He said that this rampant speculation
About some sort of conspiratorial murder
Doesn't actually make any sense
And it's reasonable to assume that
This suicide actually
Isn't even going to really affect the
Outcome overall of anything
Except we don't get to see him tarred and feathered
And walk through the streets
That's not his approach to it
His take on it was that
A number of documents had been released
Before his death
Jeffrey Epstein's death
And these documents exonerated Trump
Of any kind of involvement with him
And therefore Jeffrey Epstein
Was no longer useful to the cabal
And so they killed him
That's basically Alex's
Position on this
It's a situation where
I don't have the patience to
Get into it quite frankly
And it's a very not large part
Of when he comes back to studio on the 16th
It is a minor
Thing for him
I don't know
It's not particularly compelling to me
His take on it
I really don't think there's a ton of value
In us going over it
Which is why I'm not going to go over his little guest appearances
On his own show while he was on vacation
I think getting into the weeds on it
Is kind of stupid
I don't know, we'll waste a time
If he's not drunk, he has to be in studio
Those are our rules, right?
Absolutely
If he gets back around to it
And there's more information that can actually be looked into
Down the road
I'm willing to re-explore this topic
The episode we're covering is the 16th
And it's barely an issue for Alex on the 16th
Which seems like it should be
If it's a big deal to him
But it's not
If you look at Epstein too long
You might notice there's a connection to Trump
And the less you talk about Epstein
The less you talk about Trump being connected
To Epstein
It's weird
So he starts the day
By complaining about how no one does journalism
Anymore
Rich?
In fact, there's so much big news happening
Back when the New York Times
Still did some journalism
And the Washington Post still did some journalism
A journalist would spend a month
Working on one of the things we work on
So we gotta move fast
And it means we make mistakes sometimes
But we've proven
That nine times out of ten, we're dead on
And here's the difference, we're trying to tell the truth
We're not trying to deceive
Like a lot of the corporate media out there
Norm Patis joins us at the bottom of the hour
Oh, good
I love that
I fucking love that
Just insulting the media
And then my lawyer is gonna be a guest on my show
Again, coming up
Holy shit
We try and tell all the truth
And I'm gonna say that this guy I'm paying to defend me
In court
Is gonna give his opinions probably on my court case
Fuck you
Who has a monetary interest in backing up
Literally everything I say
That's fun
I like that complaint
At the same time
Literally saying why you shouldn't do what you're doing
And sure, we get things wrong all the time
Because we work too fast
Like when journalism used to happen
People used to spend their time on stuff
That is really what he's saying
Is that like, look
Normal places would spend a long time on this
We don't really care
So we're just gonna speed through a lot of this shit
Could do a good job
But we won't
Cause he's not really saying that they do a month's worth of work in a day
Or whatever
He's saying we don't work that hard
Or that long
So Norm is coming in
And it's actually not really to talk about Alex's case
It's about another case
That Norm might be representing
And it's bad
He was actually contacted
By the
ICE officer this morning
And he may end up representing him
But regardless, he's seen the videos
Of what happened in
Rhode Island
The supposed ICE officer running a crowd over
No, he pulls up around the corner
Doesn't see him, stops
They get a rounding
And he just simply bumps them at a quarter mile an hour
Putting his car in gear
They're calling it murder
They're looking to charge him in Rhode Island
He's been told
So exclusive info on that will play the video
And they go, oh, the truck
Ice murdered us
They go, I mean attempted murder
So just the foaming at the mouth
It's foaming at the mouth
Can you fucking imagine
How freaking screaming
Alex would be if a truck almost ran over
A second amendment protester
Can you fucking imagine
No, no, no, no, we're not doing that
We're not putting
His bullshit in context
No, I mean it's insane
John's champion of freedom
Champion against tyranny
Would side with a state employee
In any way
Driving a car through a line of protesters
Who are expressing their first amendment right
To free speech
Free congregation
Free airing of grievances
This is crazy
This is tyranny shit
If at Charlottesville one of the cops had
Like accidentally
Moved the
Rear view window out and accidentally
Touched one of the second amendment people
Everybody would have exploded
Alex would have lost his shit
That gives you free reign to shoot on cops
If they hit you with their rear view mirror
Well adjusting it
I mean it's just so indicative
Of this slide that he's on
It's
It pretends bad things
And the present
And that his lawyer is going to
Eat that ice agent
As much of a piece of shit as it appears he may be
He still deserves a day
In court, still deserves a lawyer
And it's not wrong for Norm
To
Represent him
It's kind of wrong for him to
Whether or not he's representing him
Come on Alex's show
And say this guy is great
Incredibly unethical
Absolutely
What is he Rudy Giuliani, what are we doing
The only real reason that I think he can
Have any kind of wiggle room is that he hasn't
Officially taken on the case
According to Alex and Norm's presentation
Of it, so it's still sort of a
Sherodinger's lawyer
Yeah, I'd be interested to know
If he even, if he was qualified
To both work criminal defense
And civil issues
Right? I think he is
Because he's representing that guy who
May or may not have murdered his wife
Fair, like he does do some criminal
Cases as well
For the good guys always
Always? Always, not that everybody
Is a bad guy if they're in there, you know what
Don't ever talk to the cops kids, that's all
I'm trying to say
Again, this is an indication that I might have been
A little bit too quick with my judgment
That Norm isn't a piece of shit
Just because he tried to calm Alex down
When he was screaming, that doesn't
Mean that he has good sense
No, yeah
So in this next clip, Jordan, we get into
What I would describe as the main theme
Of this episode, this August 16th episode
And it's not really
What you might expect it to be
It's not about
Any major world news, really
It's about Vivaldi's The Rights of Spring
I would be interested in hearing Alex's
Take on that, it is not
It is actually
One of the weirdest
Defending Trump positions
I've ever heard Alex make
The American people are singing the propaganda
Well, the latest laughing stock ladies and gentlemen
Is that Trump wants to purchase
Or look into purchasing
The biggest island in the world
With an estimated
Ten trillion dollars of
Oil and gas on it
Oh, you'd never want to buy that for a few billion bucks
Greenling
Its population is only a
Few hundred thousand
Max, almost no one lives there
The annuit population started moving there
In the last 800 years, that's the Eskimo folks
From
North America
If you're a TV viewer, you can see Greenland
There on the screen
Why Danish politicians scoff at
Trump's reported wish
To buy Greenland, it must be April Fools
Day, but you see
Greenland is autonomous
Yes, the Vikings had some small settlements there
Where are we going?
What is this? The people of Greenland
Could vote like Texas voted
To become part of
The Union
To become the
51st state
You know
Like Alaska, that other
Terrible, horrible purchase
What the fuck is happening
Here we go, okay
I have not heard this angle, I'm happy
Almost this whole episode
Is him trying to rationalize Trump wanting
To buy Greenland
You know what, I'm fine with that
Let's live in wacky world
I'm golden
You know what Alex is saying
That are completely batshit
The first is that Alex is okay with the idea
Of a president suggesting that they might want
To buy another country
That is completely insane
Can you imagine if Bill Clinton or Obama
Or even George W. Bush suggested
Hey, maybe it would be a good idea for us to buy Ireland
Do you think Alex would be like, hey, that's a good idea
They have a lot of natural resources there
We could take
What do I got to do
To get Portugal
To pay you
Second, the population isn't in the hundreds
Of thousands, it's actually closer to 56,000
Greenland is very sparsely
Populated because a lot of the land
In the country is uninhabitable
Partially because the Greenland ice sheet covers
Approximately 81% of the island
So it's a good investment to get it now
Alex might make that point later
Approximately 40% of Greenland
Is protected land
The Northeast Greenland National Park
Which is the largest national park in the world
And the area around the coasts
Are the only place
That they can have permanent human
Residencies
It's outside of the coverage of the ice sheet
And that explains why there's such a low population
Is because you can only really
Inhabit the coast
But it's important to remember that just because
There's a small number of total people there
It doesn't make their connection to the land
Any less legitimate or any less of a factor
When considering whether or not
The place should be just stripped mind for resources
Dan, I'm pretty sure we've
Read the history books on colonialism
And it works out great
Appealing to a low number of people
Affected by this sort of decision
Is really no different than just saying
That their feelings don't matter
For their own good
All the other justifications
For colonialism that have existed over history
About 90% of the population
Of Greenland are Inuit people
While the island is technically part of the kingdom
Of Denmark, they have their own parliamentary government
There have been moves made towards complete independence
From Denmark for years, but they aren't
Autonomous in the way that Alex is suggesting
And I would bet just about everything
That I own, that if it were put to a vote
The people of Greenland would not be
In favor of jumping from Denmark
To the United States for
Enrichment of the United States
Boy, yeah, I'm going to go with
That one would win by a Stalin-esque
97%
Also, what the fuck does he think he's saying
By trying to minimize the Inuit population
Of their 800 years ago
They only moved their 800 years ago
That's over three times the period that the U.S.
Has been around
Don't even put that into anyone's brains
Don't you even put that we have a right to this land
Dan, we've been here for 300 years
They don't have any rights to their lands
They've only been there 800 years
We've only been here for a fraction of the time
That the Inuit have been in Greenland
Yeah, Alex won't stop screaming every day
About how immigrants are coming
And it's a threat to his culture
Greenland wouldn't bring in masses of immigrants
Does he not care about how drastically
Something like that might change the culture
In Greenland? I'm sure he doesn't care
At all. Okay. Because when you get
Really down to it, I need to make this point
It's hard to hear what Alex is saying
And not think that he's advocating for
A return to colonialism. Absolutely.
Which seems completely counter to pretty much
Every single thing he's built his career on
Or pretended to. Yeah.
I don't know if he, so
Based on what he was saying there
Yeah. He thinks that
If we somehow just buy Greenland
Well, they're autonomous.
From Greenlandians
Is what he thinks. Yes.
So they'll just take a parliamentary vote
On whether to sell. Yeah.
So it's like a housing administration
All getting together and being like,
Well, we'll get this condo.
I don't know how housing administrations work
But yes, I would assume that's what he's
Picturing in his life. Right.
Then we own Greenland
Citizens will then be allowed to vote
Again on whether or not to become
The 51st state, as though that is
In their control.
Yes, I assume so. But along the way
Does he know what Puerto Rico
Is? I don't know if he does
Or Guam or
Yeah, any number of the American
Territories. We're going to learn a lot about
Not those ones specifically, but the examples
Alex uses. Of course.
Because he uses some really bad examples
To try and make this argument. Because when you
Go to what his argument is, is this
Because he even appealed to it a little bit
There by bringing up Alaska. Right.
The idea that we're going to buy a bunch of land
Right. Seward's Folly in the hole. Exactly.
And that was a great investment. Yeah, it turns out great.
So let's talk a little bit
About this purchase of Alaska.
When the United States purchased Alaska in
1867, they didn't put it to a vote
Of the people in Alaska.
Alaska wasn't an autonomous state
That just wanted to join the Union.
It was a piece of the Russian Empire
They didn't want it from them. At least partially
Because they didn't want it anymore.
Since it was way too hard to defend from their position
So even if great natural resources
Were discovered, it was so vulnerable to capture
That it wasn't worth the effort it would take
To protect it. Plus they
Completely wiped out the otter populations
They were killing for fur, so maintaining
Colonies there just wasn't profitable for them
In any way. We paid the Russian Empire
And then without any consent of the
People who lived in Alaska, it was then
Part of the United States. Even
When the Russian Empire arrived in Alaska
There were approximately 100,000 native
People living there who had no say
In what happened and their own
Futures. Though the U.S.
Bought Alaska, the native peoples there were not
Allowed citizenship until 1924
Meaning that they had no right to vote
And at the time they had no ability to formally
Own property or even file claims to
Mineral deposits. Now let me ask you
A question, Dan. Yeah. Would that
Count as something along the lines
Of
Being taxed without being represented?
Yeah, it's a second
Class citizenship for sure. Yeah
It sure does seem like that. And that's
What America is based on, right?
It were against it. Oh, that doesn't sound right.
The Bureau of Indian Affairs
Destabilized native life and made
Efforts to do away with the indigenous
Cultures and the peoples whose land the
United States bought from someone else
Without a single concern for the natives of
Alaska's input. We the people
In order to form a more, anyways
The U.S. didn't even make Alaska a state until
1959. And some progress
Had been made in terms of seeding land
Back to native populations, but
Absolutely it was not a primary concern
When we bought Alaska. My point
Here is that Alex Jones is a fucking monster
If he were alive in Belgium in the late
1800s, I have zero doubt that he would
Have been going around yelling at everybody about how
It was a great idea what King Leopold
Wants to do in the Congo. Like it's
Insane. What he's saying is
It's crazy. Yeah. No, it's
Manifest destiny. It is. It really is.
Well, I mean, it's a little bit
Tapered because he has this fucking
Nonsensical idea about paying people.
Right. Yeah. Which is still like
If you put it in
A slightly different context, he would
Scream that they're just being bribed.
You know, like it's ludicrous.
Well, I mean, if he were in a different
Context and it served as a narrative in a different
Way, he'd say we were trying to steal the land
From Denmark. Right.
Which he gets into in this next clip.
Okay, of course. Well, we're going to go ahead
And break down all these other stupid
Horrible purchases for TV
And radio viewers right now because
It is autonomous.
We could pay each person 15-20 million
Dollars and buy it
And have a multi-thousand percent increase
In profit and
All the resources, the tourism, the development
Which everything is going to be in the
Arctic in the future. Oh, is it?
So the first thing first there
If, you know, if climate change isn't real
It's not real. Don't worry about it. No, don't
Definitely don't. No, no, no, he didn't
Give up anything. Seems like he tipped his hand a little
Yeah, a little bit. So first, I love the idea
That he's like, okay, we're going to get into these
Fucking purchases because Alex can never use specifics
Correctly. No, that's great. He's going to get
His ass kicked. It's going to be very bad for him
Now, beyond that, his plan
To pay off the people of Greenland is fucking
Stupid. He's suggesting
That the U.S. government should pay each person
In Greenland 15-20 million dollars
And then still turn a gigantic profit
And that's fucking deranged
I'm going to leave aside the fact that he thinks
That the population is in the hundreds of thousands
And I'm going to use his low ball number
Of 15 million per person
If we gave that amount to each person
In Greenland, that would be 840 billion dollars
That is an insane amount of money
Someone advocating for an 840 billion dollar
Expenditure to buy fucking Greenland
Is not a fiscal conservative, I would argue
By any stretch of the imagination
They fought tooth and nail
To avoid giving Americans
850 billion in fucking
Stimulus bullshit
No, no, no, no
But this is an island
These people are insane
Where does Alex think that money's coming from?
I might ask
The military budget
Realized that something like that would require
Insane tax hikes
I can't stress this enough
This is completely unhinged
And a bad shit idea for him to justify this kind of shit
And it fully contradicts the positions
He's pretended to sport for the entirety of his career
Can you imagine Ron Paul advocating for paying
840 billion dollars to buy Greenland?
It's crazy
Guys, look
I know this sounds like a lunatic idea
But what if we just spent 40% of our GDP
And bought Greenland?
I know you're gonna...
Now hold on
I have three proposals
Hold on
One, eliminate all four and eight
Two, get rid of OSHA
Three, buy Greenland
Buy Greenland, yeah
Yeah, yeah
Sir, you just got yourself a standing ovation
Now there's a second matter to consider
And that is that he thinks there would be thousands of percent profit
Now in order for that to be the case
You'd need to see about a tenfold return
So now we're talking about bringing in like
8 trillion dollars in tourism and resources mined
From Greenland
Day one
First hundred days of owning Greenland, Dan
We will bring in 8 trillion dollars
There's bad news about his plan
Currently the GDP of Greenland is 2.7 billion dollars
If the United States were to just steal all of that
It would still take us about 3,000 years to make a thousand percent profit
On the purchase Alex is suggesting
And that's not even factoring in any costs
That would need to incur
Making this kind of a purchase profitable
Would require an almost unimaginable length of time
Or an almost unimaginable level of destruction of nature
In pursuit of these resources
It would be a horrible thing to do
And there's no reason to think
That even if you destroyed every piece of protected wildlife
That you would end up with the kind of return on investment Alex is imagining
It is the colonialist equivalent of John Wall's NBA contract
Thank you
I don't know John Wall
Washington Wizards
It's the worst contract in the entire league by a wide margin
Okay
It's pretty fantastic
What's he pulling in? 840 billion?
Actually pretty close
That's why it's troublesome
So like I said
I love the idea that Alex is going to try and use specifics
Because I need to make this clear
He's talking about the idea of purchasing Greenland
And he's saying that everyone is saying Trump is stupid
For wanting to buy Greenland
So now his argument is going to be
Look at all these other times presidents have bought land
Or whatever
And it was so stupid
The argument hinges on the idea that these people bought the land
That's important
His first example is okay
Louisiana Purchase?
Yes
Of course
That's number one
And then it's going to go down
Remember when we bought the land
With the guns
So let's let him get into the Louisiana Purchase
And then we'll see how this all plays out
Okay
So let's go through the history here
Well after we took from the king of England
The original 13 colonies by force, by conquest
By ideas
Well then there was a Louisiana Purchase for 15 million dollars
The equivalent of about 200 plus million today
And as you know
The Louisiana Purchase is worth hundreds of trillions of dollars
What a horrible purchase
What a horrible thing that president did back then
Those were really bad people
That's so like
Do you think it's strange that Alex can't come up with a name
Of who was the president during the Louisiana Purchase
Do you think that's strange?
I think it's weird
It does not
Because do you know who did it Dan?
I do
I know who we have a ton of quotes from
I'll tell you that right now
I know we've got so many quotes from this guy
But I can't think of his name right now
Is it someone who Alex considers a hero?
And maybe the foundation of a ton of his ideas are based on
Like you said fake quotes from him
It's so surprising that he can't remember his name
What the fuck
So surprising that the one time it's referencing something
He actually did do
Whoever was president back then
Jesus
What is wrong with this guy?
Do you remember that famous quote of his
Liberty can't be grown without the burning of fire
On the seed of Louisiana's purchase
So from
Thomas Jefferson
From a purely financial standpoint
That did turn out to be a great purchase
But other factors make it a bit more of a complicated situation
Again, we were not buying the land from the people who actually
Lived there
No, we were buying it from the people who actually lived there, right?
We weren't buying autonomous areas
And saying, hey folks, we sure would like it
If you'd join up with our awesome country
And how about we pay you and you do this
No, the French were born there Dan
Everybody knows this
The area that was bought in the Louisiana purchase lays it
It was colonized by the French and we bought it from them
There was no consent of the natives who lived in the area
There was no vote about it
It was just a negotiation between two colonizing powers
Who didn't give a fuck about the interests of the people
Who lived in the areas they controlled
That just doesn't sound like us, Dan
It doesn't ring true
It just doesn't sound like us
Seems like fake news
Yeah
It's impossible to argue that the purchase wasn't a really good investment
For the U.S. on a monetary basis
But it also set into place a lot of really long lasting problems
That still resonate to this day
There was the disruption, destabilization
And displacement of native peoples that we enacted
There was the ensuing war of 1812
That was caused by a ton of factors
And this isn't obviously the entirety of it
But one of the factors was the international response
To American expansionism
As well as the British support of Native American tribes
Who were fighting with the United States
Because the United States was disrupting, destabilizing
And displacing them
So those were factors that came into
That were a direct result of our expansionism
Which is not to say that the British were
Supporting the Native tribes because they
Were great
Are good guys
No
There was also the fact that states could be made
Out of this Louisiana purchase that would have to
Either be free or slave states
Which would disrupt the balance between the two
Ultimately leading
The Missouri Compromise of 1820
That compromise likely postponed the outbreak
Of the Civil War
But it also gave an air of legitimacy to slavery
In the South
And also made official that anti-slavery progress
Was not going to extend past that barrier
You know it reminds me of something
Where it's like you can't compromise on certain issues
You know you can either be
So if you're compromising with certain stuff
Then you're really just enabling evil things to occur
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, you allow it to exist in a place
You can't apply that to current day whatsoever
No
There are a lot of very serious factors that go into
Looking at the history of the Louisiana purchase
That don't involve whether or not we've made a lot of money
Off of it
Using that kind of simplistic logic
Would Alex be alright if like
Would he be alright with pretty much any kind of
Oppression in the name of a good return on investment?
Like let's imagine a super rich communist wanted to buy Texas
And the United States sold it to them
Shouldn't he have to be okay with that?
Like if the super rich communist paid people
So they would vote to sell him Texas
Alex would never stop screaming about how it was a rigged vote
And bribery
But that's exactly what he wants done in Greenland
Yes
It's crazy
Yes
This guy is an idiot
And a monster
Like what he's advocating is a monstrous thing
Like the clip itself listening to him talk
I just got this vision of both of us in a bar
Him saying that and me being like
I don't want this conversation
Bye
Bye
Goodbye
No thanks
So, you know, that's
At least Louisiana purchase though was a purchase
So Alex has got that going for it
Right
His next example
When we purchased Texas from the Mexicans
No, we got a little while until we get to that
Oh, okay
His next example is not as good of an example of a purchase
Okay
There was, of course, the Red River Valley purchase
Again, just absolutely got it for nothing
The Red River Valley purchase is not something that exists
We didn't buy the Red River Valley or the Red River Basin
The boundaries were negotiated in the Treaty of 1818
At the end of the War of 1812
And actually the treaty involved a seeding a bunch of land
From the Louisiana purchase that is now Canada to Britain
Since the treaty established the northern border
In that area for the United States
Alex is kind of just making shit up here
Or reading off a hastily compiled list of territorial expansions
In the United States history
That probably one of his dumb interns put together
Yeah, we bought the concession of land to the British
Don't you know that?
We fought the War of 1812 and at the end of it
We had a treaty that negotiated this borderline
And we lost a bunch of land
Right
Robert E. Lee bought losing the Civil War
Everybody knows this
So now we get to another one that Alex is bringing up
Which, I mean, again, this is going to become very repetitive
But he's wrong about everything
Then there was the Florida purchase for $5 million
Oh my gosh, Florida for $5 million
What another stupid laughing stock idiot president
You know, who was president in 1819?
Oh my gosh
You tell me
Because that person was a really horrible person
Wait, he actually doesn't know?
I don't think he does
Oh, of course not
We'll get to that in a minute
It was Thomas Jefferson
It wasn't
It was James Monroe
Yeah
The Florida purchase
I hear his doctrine was pretty dope
Well, it doesn't make him a great guy
No
The Florida purchase only happened because Spain didn't want to spend so much
Maintaining the colony and wanted to make a deal with the United States
Which led to the Adams-Ones Treaty of 1819
People often misleadingly say that the US paid $5 million to Spain for Florida
As Alex thinks
But in reality that $5 million was part of the Adams-Ones Treaty
Wherein the US agreed to pay for the legal claims of US citizens against Spain
Up to the amount of $5 million
So it was more an issue of accepting bureaucratic responsibility for claims in the territory
If the territory was ceded to the United States
You realize this is so insanely like how professional sports works today
It is negotiations like that
It is really very similar to it
It's kind of creeping me out
There was no actual payment for Florida
It was a negotiation and the resulting agreement was one that was not kept
Fun fact, and one of the reasons that Alex should absolutely not be cool with what he's talking about in the Florida purchase
Article 3 of the treaty explicitly made the US relinquish all claims it had on most of Texas
Saying that the US had to quote, seed to his Catholic majesty
That's the ruler of Spain
And renounce forever that all their rights, claims and pretensions to Texas
Among other areas that would end up becoming part of the United States somehow
I'm not entirely sure
We didn't buy Florida and the agreement that brought Florida into the United States
Involved language that forbade the US to lay claim on Alex's home state
Yes
Again, his team is very very sloppy
And he has zero idea what he's talking about
His only reason to exist in the present day is to justify whatever dumb shit Trump does
And agitate towards an authoritarian white nationalist state
And this is a piece of that
Yeah, absolutely
Also, like we mentioned, James Monroe was president in 1919
And all things considered, he wasn't a great guy
It's also just fucking hilarious that this noted student of history
Nowhere of all things and reader of a thousand books
Whatever president was the live winner
He literally has no idea who is president when these great expansions of the country he loves so much happened
This is embarrassing
He's read too many books about World War II
They still says he's read a lot about American history
Right
Like it's just, it's pretty, he's not equipped to have the conversation he's trying to have
Absolutely not
And he would be if he just spent any time actually learning about any of this stuff
Well, no, in a lot of ways
The entire American education system is built around making sure no one knows how utterly and completely complex American history is
Period
And it's to create this American myth that makes sense out of all of this
Instead of a constant push and pull between stupid and ridiculous and evil
Yeah
That's a huge thing
Yeah
So Florida purchased, check it off the list
That helps us make sense and rationalize
Huge return on investment
We have Louisiana purchased, we have the non-existent Red River Valley purchased
We bought the concession of land
So these are the things that Alex is using to defend the idea of buying Greenland
It's so far he's not doing a great job
Yeah
Here he goes now with some more examples
How much did we spend?
Cooke
So at this point I'm not sure Alex is sure what he's even arguing anymore
I really have no idea what he's talking about
In Spanish territory
After Moses died, Steve kept up his work, but the number of American immigrants into Texas did not stop at 300
This led to the Americans thinking that they were in charge, which quickly gave way to them declaring Texas its own country
And even though it was Spanish territory and they were explicitly only there because they had permission from the Spanish
Anyway, a war broke out and then in 1845, with all the treasuries wearing seriously thin and finding themselves unable to defend themselves
Texas asked to join the United States and US said, cool
Mexico, by now an independent country from Spain, made clear that if the US annexed Texas, that would mean war
The US said, let's do this thing, and thus the history books now get to include a little chapter about the Mexican-American war
So that cost us like 6 million? Like what are we talking here?
I don't know, I mean if you want to talk about lives, there are a few
Texas joining the United States did not involve us buying it from someone
It involved an insurrection from within Spanish territory and then a war that cost thousands of lives
If this is what Alex is using as an example of what to expect from trying to get our hands on Greenland, I think he's making a terrible argument
And also by the way, we have plenty of options for a 51st state already
Like what? Like who?
I know Trump supposedly said something about Greenland and everyone's making fun of him, so Alex just needs, he feels this need to go on the defensive
But before we start trying to grab up parts of Denmark, maybe we should get our own house in order and recognize the statehood of some of these territories
We've got that we've been neglecting
Dan, then they would have rights
That is a problem
Yeah, that's a huge issue for a lot of people
And they probably wouldn't vote for his nonsense
It would be a surprise if they did
I would be shocked
Man, I was really pissed off that I couldn't squeeze in a, that's the bottom line reference there
It was going to be something like there's a 300 maximum amount and that's not the bottom line
I was going to go there
So in this next clip, Alex gets back to talking about Alaska
Sure
This is really interesting because in this clip
Does he call it the Louisiana Purchase again?
He doesn't
In this clip, he actually uses the word colonize when he's talking about Greenland
Okay
But what he says about Alaska is fucking insane
Alright, let's hear this
The average citizen gets a yearly paycheck from the government off the resources in Alaska
And Trump's even proposing that for any U.S. citizens that would move out of the inside baseball to Greenland
We would then colonize it once it became a U.S. territory and then later it would become a state
Oh, but who wants to even offer those folks that because nobody else seems to be doing it
Well, no one seems to be doing it because they seem to be pretty satisfied with the position that they're in currently
And holy shit, Jordan
Alex Jones is the stupidest motherfucker in the planet
His entire current brand is built on being opposed to socialism in any form of welfare
He hates the idea of a universal basic income because it makes you dependent on the state
Well, guess what, shithead, that's exactly what the Alaska Permanent Fund is
The Alaska Permanent Fund is a state-owned fund that takes oil revenues and redistributes it to the citizens of Alaska
In a very basic sense, it is recognizing that all residents of the state are part-owners of the natural resources
They're taken from the land that they live in and they recognize that and pay people for it
Everyone gets a check and just by virtue of that the state is able to raise tons of people out of abject poverty
Which is the exact goal of all the social welfare programs that Alex is so vehemently against
Children can be enrolled as soon as they're born and their dividend checks are placed into an account
So by the time they're 18, they could easily have like $20,000 to put towards college or trade school or whatever they want
The oil companies still make insane profits, but some of that has to go back to the people
It's a very sane model, so sane that Alex doesn't even seem to be against it
Weird
What a dumb motherfucker
Dan, you know, the more you listen to these kinds of folk talk, the more you think
I don't think they actually believe in anything they're saying
No
I think they're just making bad faith arguments in order to convince enough people to vote against their own interests
And it's almost like the things that they actually complain about aren't what they care about
It seems like there's something behind it that's actually like maybe a white thing
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I don't think they really care as much about the things they purport to care about
In Alaska, this is a state-run and owned program
Right
And to Alex, this should be socialism run amok
States rights
This should be something that he sees as intrinsically evil and exactly opposite to everything he stands for
And yet here he is seemingly endorsing it
Which is, I guess to say, Alex doesn't really hate socialism as much as he thinks he does
And here's the real kicker
Studies have shown that the dividend checks have had almost a non-existent effect on employment
Which is to say that people being given a free check hasn't made them just decide to stop working and live off the state
There's some indications that it's increased part-time employment
But a lot of that is thought to be a result of people having the freedom to work less hours and not starve
Which, societally speaking, is a good thing
You remember in the 1940s and 50s whenever they had all those like what the future is going to be like for people?
I mean, I don't remember it subjectively
I've heard of it
Yeah, well they have all those things and you can keep going back and every one of those like what the future is going to be like scenarios
Everybody is always like, well, we won't have to work as much
We won't have to have the five-day work week
We'll be able to work two or three days and still be able to explore our interests in a greater way
And now people have taken that in the complete opposite direction
It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you want the future to be you working less? You lazy piece of shit
Believing that the only incentive to do anything is financial or something along those lines is stupid
What it is is indicating that you don't really believe in people as much as you think you do
Like Alex always talks about, I believe in the human spirit
And like if you did then everyone getting paid a basic survival income shouldn't change how vigorous and inflamed the human spirit would be
People would create so many amazing things
No, no they wouldn't
So because this program is based on Alaska's natural resources and most states don't share that kind of abundance
It's been seen as a difficult challenge to try and replicate this sort of program nationally
But I think that's kind of dumb
There are countless ways the success of this very not-socialist program could be enacted through taxes
And it would make everyone's life substantially better
I would love to see something along these lines be explored
But not just, you know, let's throw it up and see what happens
But explore these sorts of ideas, see what kind of system we could put in place
And it's exciting to hear that Alex is on board
Yeah, yeah, no kidding
So I look forward to him advocating for universal basic income initiatives in the future
It'll be great
Thank you Alex
As long as they are given to Greenland and not to the, you know, not to the 50
What a stupid, stupid douche
They're all stupid
They're all incredibly stupid unless they're smart
In which case they're evil
I think socialism is of the devil
But I'm thrilled with this program that's in Alaska
And also Trump is going to bring it to Greenland
Yeah, cool
Yeah, but not to the 48, dad
Not to the, look, the contiguous 48
We're just, we just can't be trusted with that kind of shit right there
You can only give it to Alaska, Greenland
And I suppose Hawaii because it's also not connected to the mainland
Alex is the worst
So now he gets back to his examples of dumb purchases
Are we still doing this?
This goes on a long time
How long?
Most of the episode
None of it was purchases
Nope
We always, we killed people
And guess what, this one isn't either
Then there's the Oregon Treaty
The Oregon Treaty established the boundary between Canada and the United States
And the 49th parallel
And again, that was for nothing
Right, it was a treaty
So then there was the Vietnam Treaty
Where we took some of Vietnam, I guess
He does get kind of close to that
Really? I'm trying to be
You can't, you can't
I'm trying to go too far
You can't exaggerate
So the Oregon country was established as a dual occupied area
Where the United States and British settlers could freely set up shop
The settlers mostly there for the fur trade
And inevitably when the local species became more scarce from over hunting
The industry took a downturn
In that situation in the 1840s
The British weren't really all that interested
In maintaining their occupation of the Oregon Territory
Especially considering that the U.S. was super interested in it
And there were way more Americans there than British
By this point, the ripples of the Missouri Compromise
Were being felt in all the expansionist territories of the United States
Every new area that was coming under our sway
Was subject to the new slave state versus free state debate
And the Oregon Territory was no different
It always has to be one and one, too
You can't have one state going to the unions
It's got to be even
When negotiating for the precise boundaries
Of what the U.S. would eventually own
In terms of the northern boundary
With Britain's claim on Canada
Anti-slavery people wanted more territory
Because it was in the north
And if there was more territory
It may become more states
Which would then be non-slave states
The South didn't really want to fight with the British
Over expanding the northern boundary of the United States
Because they were aware of that exact same dynamic
And less territory actually worked in their interests
Of preserving the power that slave states held
Again, this is not an instance of the United States
Purchasing land to expand its territory
This, as best as I can tell
Has literally nothing to do with the point
Alex is trying to make about Greenland
And last, the only point he's trying to make
Is that he's into colonialism
And existing populations should just be made
To submit to and assimilate to the culture
You're bringing in with your colonization
This is really disgusting stuff
To hear coming from the same guy who spends all his time
Yelling about Muslims and South American refugees
Coming to take away his culture
Here he is so ready to celebrate the prospect
Of doing exactly that to someone else
Because he thinks it's a good investment
Like this dude's a monster
And his argument about the colonizing Greenland
Makes clear he's stupid
These examples are not analogous in any way
Except in adding more territory to the United States
That's the only similarity that they have
His only argument he can be making
With all of these examples is
Hey, look at all these other times we've added territory
We should add more territory
That's it!
There is a...
It doesn't...
Sorry, here's my main point
It doesn't justify the idea
That people are making fun of Trump for
Which is that buying it
No, yeah!
We're so far away from that being
That's what Alex is defending
That's what people are mocking Trump for
That's why he's being defensive
And the argument he's making has nothing to do with that
He's lost the thread entirely
It is a...
I don't know if it's unique
But it is a very strong
This overriding manifest destiny belief in America
That so many let's go with
Incredibly white people have
Of just like, I would die
I would kill everyone that I've ever met
Before I allow someone to take an inch of my land
And I will absolutely have zero understanding
Of how similar that it would be
If I was on the other side
I'm going to take your land
With no consequences and no interest in you
And your reactions whatsoever
But if you even come for an inch of mine
I'll go ape shit on you
That is just how so many of these guys think
Without ever understanding the similarities there
Yeah, it does appear that to be the case
But Alex has more examples
Oh God, how?
And then there's a Mexican cessation
Where we got massive amounts of stuff
Including California, who wants that
Utah, Arizona, all of that
And that was taken, again, by force
Because Mexico couldn't even hold it
So we purchased it, right?
We can just continue here
All these other horrible, horrible purchases
These aren't purchases
He just said that it wasn't a purchase
That it was taken by force
You can't buy something taken by force
That's a burglary
It's also not the Mexican cessation
It's the Mexican session
And they seeded land to the United States
So this isn't a part of a purchase
Or a shrewd investment we made
It was the result of a treaty
That ended the Mexican-American War
As a result of the war
The U.S. absorbed a lot of the territory
That is now the West and the Southwest
As part of the treaty, Mexicans who decided to stay
Were granted citizenship
And allowed to keep their property
Except we didn't stick to that
The U.S. almost immediately began snatching up land
That was already owned by Mexicans
Who would now be Americans
Estimates put it at around 20 million acres of land
That should be a rightful property of Mexican-Americans
That was just taken from them
Which absolutely had a massive ripple effect through history
In terms of capital, property, and generational wealth
But Alex isn't interested in that
It was a great purchase
It was a great purchase
He shouldn't want California
He hates California
Yeah, but it's ours
It's ours, come on, man
He thinks it's one of the biggest problems in America
Yeah, but just because liberals took it over
Doesn't mean it's not ours
Ridiculous
It's a, man, he really...
In a way, though, it actually makes sense
Because he was totally all about the annexation of Crimea
So it's very similar
There are similarities
The annexation of Crimea, Mexico
So most of these do seem to be like treaties
That ended wars or just treaties
That were negotiations less than they were purchases
And none of them took into account the people
Who were living there already
Now, imperialism is an awful, terrible thing
Except when we do it
So now, interestingly, Alex gets to another actual purchase
In this next split
Okay
The 1853 Gadsden Purchase
From Mexico, $10 million
And, again, that gave US possession
Of the valley south of the Gila River
And the land in which the United States
And Arizona and New Mexico now reside
So, again, horrible getting large parts of Arizona
And New Mexico
What a horrible deal for $10 million
What a terrible deal
What stupid, bad American presidents
These American presidents
Absolutely just have to be stopped
Again, he doesn't know who the president was
No clue
For the record, Franklin Pierce was president
When the Gadsden Purchase happened
I know, I know
He was a one-term guy
And he was only president
When the Nebraska-Kansas Act was passed
That really exacerbated relations
Between slave and free states
And was in office during the bleeding Kansas border wars
Between Kansas and Missouri
All that stuff's really easy to not know much about
Especially, you know, when you've read dozens of books
About the Civil War
It's a good thing Alex doesn't claim to have read
Dozens of books about the Civil War
Or else you should know a lot of this stuff
That he seems to be kind of unaware of
You would think
I doubt his books about the Civil War
Really go into the larger socio-economic
And political factors
It might be written by like
Confederate sympathizers
Yeah, that started like 40 years before
The Civil War even came close to beginning
They might just be about how like
The South was great
Yeah, Jefferson Davis is cool
Yeah
So finally though
We have the Gadsden Purchase
We have an actual purchase
In this laundry list of non-purchases
Alex is trying to use to justify
The stupid idea of buying Greenland
First things first
This has nothing to do with the Gadsden flag
That was designed by a guy named Christopher Gadsden
Back in the late 1700s
Whereas this purchase is named after
The chief negotiator of it, James Gadsden
J.K. James Gadsden is Christopher Gadsden's grandson
Oh, okay, great
So it kind of doesn't
Okay, I gotcha
So James Gadsden was a real piece of shit
Oh, no!
What?
Come on
Yeah, I know
You're shocked
He was the president of the South Carolina Railroad Company
And in 1850 he advocated for South Carolina
To secede from the Union
Because they admitted California as a free state
You see, he had said
That slavery was quote, a social blessing
But of course, as we know, the choice to secede
Had nothing to do with wanting to keep enslaving people
No, no, no
They definitely didn't put it in that big like
Why we are going to secede a kind of thing
So California went too far south
Geographically for his tastes
Because it should have been a slave state
Since it went down into that
So that was his problem
Yeah, imaginary lines
So his plan when Carolina didn't
End up going ahead and secede back then
He decided his new plan was going to be
To try to break up California into two states
And make the southern part of it a giant slave colony
Which also didn't succeed
One of his plans for the California slave colony
Was to use slave labor to build a railroad
After all, that was the business he was in
In 1853, Franklin Pierce sent Gadsden to Mexico
To negotiate for more land along the border
And the reason he was sent was because
We wanted that land in order to build
A southern transcontinental railroad
Gadsden was successful in his negotiation trip
And now the land in the Gadsden purchase
Is one of the largest rail hubs in the country
Now I would also be remiss if I didn't tell you
That James Gadsden was also pretty deeply involved
In the negotiation of those treaties
The U.S. made to remove native tribes from their land
This, of course, was during the time of Andrew Jackson
And the Trail of Tears
So you know that this dude was not a very cool guy
I'm pretty sure he was super cool
When you have was involved in the
Indian removal process
And tried to start a slave colony in a state
He didn't live in, both on your resume
You've really earned your place in history
As a gigantic piece of shit
Yeah, that's something that only he
And like half of our presidents can share, really
That being said, this is an example
Of the U.S. paying another country for a plot of land
However, it does kind of fall into the exact same problem
As any of the other purchases
And that the move was never the will of the people
Who lived in the land that it was purchased
Like the land that was in question
Also, that $10 million went to Santa Ana
Who Alex knows as the villain of the story of the Alamo
So he probably shouldn't be so thrilled that we gave
$10 million to one of his greatest historical arch-villains
His heroes, Alex's heroes, didn't negotiate
With a tyrant like Santa Ana
They stood up and bravely held their ground
They didn't give him $10 million for the Alamo
He literally knows nothing about what he's talking about
If you think too hard or read too much about American history
You'll hurt yourself, Dan
Just believe what you want to believe about it
That's the best way to go through life
I guess so
I bet Alex is minding
He's almost thinking that he's
Developed a progressive colonialism
Where we actually pay the people who live there
Yeah, he probably feels insecure about how like
There's a pretty forward thinking
He's probably like, look at me, I am a classical liberal
Alright, hey
Yo, I am a good guy
I think I am, pat myself on the back
I'm getting soft, to be honest
Dick
So, in his next clip, Alex
Just directly is advocating for colonizing
Sure, great
And we could go in there and
Have a referendum and buy it from them for nothing
And then they would get major investment
And then major amounts of people moving there
And then everybody would be trying to move to
Greenland
50 years after we buy it
Guarantee, there'll be
There'll be flotillas of people
Trying to break into the country
There'll be huge migrant caravan ships
They'll have to put fences up around Greenland
Once there's shopping malls and movie theaters
And all sorts of giant
Greenhouse facilities, growing food
And then once we develop it
And there's all these, you know, incredible
Mountain ski resorts and hot springs
I mean, Greenland is incredible
Greenland is magic
Maybe we can show that New York Times
Photo of Greenland
It looks like where Santa Claus lives or something
Or something
Wow
Yeah
This is stupid
Uh-huh
And it bums me out to hear a grown up
Talking like that
Yeah
That's dumb
Although on the other hand
I bet Pompeo is talking to Boris Johnson
About something very similar for the
Whenever Scotland and Northern Ireland leave
Pompeo would be like, hey, Boris
What if we just bought England, buddy?
You guys, we used to be your colony
Now you get full circle, man
Narrative circles
I mean, it is
I don't know if that would necessarily
Be in the realm of realistic
But that's like in line with the sort of
Conversation Alex is opening up
Yeah, absolutely
Like it becomes like this really fucked up
Box that he's opening
That I don't think is good
No, and it kind of suggests that he thinks
Any country could just vote to become a state
And if we paid them to
I do think he thinks that
I think he thinks that
Yeah
It kind of sounds like if a, you know
And it can't be one of the Middle Eastern states
Because he'll be very angry about it
But like if Laos just was like
You know what, we want to become a
United States state
So we had a vote
Give us, I don't know, two million each
We're a real bargain country
Two million each
And then we'll just be fifty first state
Now you're suggesting that other states
Could initiate this process
Of course, yeah
And make us make big states
They're going to make an offer
Yeah, they're making us an offer
Eventually we used car salesmen our way
Into owning the world
I mean really, that is like
On a very basic level
What he's dipping his toe into is
Expansionism
It is empire
It's not good
When you have a guy who's deeply, deeply
White supremacist
White identity to his core
And then you add in expansionist
Interested in empire
I really don't see any corollary
Or historical parallel at all
I'm not saying that he's advocating
For taking over the world yet
But I'm saying that this is not
Language you like to see out of that
Kind of guy
Well, the next sentence out of his mouth is
Have we considered invading Poland?
I think it might be a good way to go
I mean, step one
Creak that blitz
Well, we'll kind of get into how
This rhetoric is very easily molded
Once it's established
Which I think is important
But we have to wait for him to play out
His thoughts first
In this next clip, Alexer says
Some more stupid shit
There's a whole bunch of other pages of horrible
Stupid, evil purchases
By other dirty Americans
That believe in manifest destiny
And to expand with our renaissance
And our superior ideas
And to build an amazing place
Everyone would want to come to
Which we did
But now folks want to conquer us
They want to take us over
So here you have it, ladies and gentlemen
There you have it
What?
They're superior
The ideas were superior
And that's why we ended up taking
Over all of this stuff
Oh boy
Yeah, I mean like
Okay
So I mean, I think you get all
You need from that
Oh god
They just can't go that next step
Of being like, well, if our ideas
Were superior then
So we get to conquer them
Does that mean should someone have ideas
Superior to ours now
They get to conquer us?
Well, I mean then Alex
We probably need to do a lot more work
In trying to refute the arguments
And ideas of the UN
Yeah
He feels like they're trying to conquer him
Yeah, it seems like they have superior ideas though
To him, yeah
Yeah, so then I guess they should be
Allowed to take over whatever they want
I mean, Alex's ideas are dirt bad
See, there we go
He has no choice but to acquiesce
To you and control
By his own arguments
Yeah
So in this next clip
Alex talks horribly
About the people of Greenland
And we could go in there
And buy it from the indigenous population
That's autonomous from Denmark
Even under a bidding war
What?
$200 billion would be chicken feed
All that's on it now is a bunch of shacks
A couple hundred thousand people
And that's seasonal
So, you know, man
If Greenland is just a bunch of shacks
It's wildly impressive
That their GDP is $2.7 billion
Their capital city, Nook
Has a population of about 19,000
That's a ton of shacks
The country has 14 airports in it
Or as I like to call them
Flying Shacks
Get the fuck out of here
You're so proud of yourself
All bullshit aside
This rhetoric is fucking insane
This is the language of colonialism
And because it's coming out of Alex's mouth
And it's being used to describe the Inuit peoples
That he wants to pillage resources from
This is the language of white supremacist colonialism
There's no difference between the sentiment
That holds up what Alex is saying
And the notions that the people of Africa were savages
Who needed the Europeans to come in and civilize things
Alex is talking about the people who live in Greenland
With the same disdain
And discussing his plans for what he wants to do
With their country the exact same way
You would expect to hear from some shill
For the colonialist powers to do back then
This is empire shit
This is exactly what Alex stands against
No, he is also the chief propagandist
For the East India oil company
I know he thinks he's framing this as some kind of a
Like we'll go in and pay them so they vote
To let us take all their shit and turn their country
Into something they don't recognize anymore
But the reality is that at no point has Greenland
Ever been interested in being bought
Both the prime minister of Greenland and Denmark
Have both said that the idea is absurd
And they're not interested in selling the fucking country
Because of course they're not
The Sydney Morning Herald interviewed residents of
Teslik who were uniformly just laughing at Trump
One said quote, I think it's a ridiculous idea
I think it sounds stupid
It wasn't just the Democrats or Trump's
Political enemies who were laughing at him
It was the people that he wanted to buy
And fuck over
And here's why this conversation is happening
This is a means to warm up to the idea
Of future adventures and colonialism
I have zero idea what Trump is thinking
Or what his intentions are
Or if this is just him talking shit
But I get the very strong sense that Alex
Wants it to be a sincere suggestion
He wouldn't be spending so much time on his show
Defending the idea if he weren't interested
In it being something that's actually pursued
He is absolutely unequivocally
Using the language of colonialism
To describe the state of affairs he wishes to see
In the world, namely that the United States
Becomes expansionist
He's using dehumanizing and delegitimizing descriptions
And imagery to describe the people who would
Be affected by the colonization
To make listeners care less about them
He's describing the wonderful outcomes
That would be the result of colonization
He's implying that expanding your country
And gaining wealth is absolutely
The thing that freedom does
This is a profoundly dangerous development
In Alex's rhetoric
Up to this point in listening to Alex
I've never heard anything like this
And granted, that's probably because we've never had a president
Stupid enough to want to buy Greenland
But the point is still important
He's waiting forever for a president
To seemingly endorse American expansion
Or he's been so warped by the Trump
Rise to power that he no longer realizes
That his primary brand for his entire career
Has been explicitly opposed
To foreign intervention, regime change
Meddling in affairs, all that other shit
This is so essentially opposed
To what he's supposed to stand for
That it really worries me
And to be clear, I get that he's not saying
We should go in and invade them right now in Greenland
But what if the situation has slightly changed
What if we need a strategic resource
That they have and they don't want to sell
Once you've introduced the idea
That it's totally great and a positive thing
To buy countries to pillage the resources
How easy is it to escalate that rhetoric to conquest
It's very easy
You can even use the preliminary rhetoric
That you've already done to build your case
We tried to buy this very important thing
That we need from them
But they want us to go without it
Which if you really think about it
Amounts to an act of war against us
We have to invade them now
It's a very dangerous road to walk down
And I really, really don't like what it implies
About what Alex is now capable of accepting
Is it seems like a departure?
Well, let's say
Oh, I don't know, let's say Greenland
Has this resource that we really, really need
And just a couple of years prior to this
You know, there's some sort of big attack
On the United States and we just
And you know what, I found out that
The Greenland government
They have all of this shit that they're hiding
From us, all of these weapons
And we just got to go in there
And we got to save the people
Freely, they're already United States citizens
They're going to greet us
They're going to greet us as their liberators
It's really not far
It's not
From preparatory
But it's worse
But he made the anti-colonialist arguments
During the Iraq
The lead up to Iraq war
All of that stuff was the same shit
But we weren't buying it
The problem with regime change
Over colonialism
Is that sometimes it goes your way
And then sometimes it goes the other direction
Back at you, like with Iran we were like
We did it and then it all went to shit
Real quick
Of course it does
So Alex is fucking stupid
And I think a lot of those other things
That we found that invalidate pieces
Of his rhetoric
Of being cool with camps
For people posicumitatis is kind of out the window
Hey man, Rex 84
That stuff is pretty bad
And I think it's really damning
The stuff here with sort of geopolitical
Implications
I find worse
I find that to somehow be worse
So it really affects
The world
Yeah, especially when you're talking about
The most
Ridiculous military might
That the earth has ever seen
And the, yeah, no, that's no good
We don't want an imperialist country in 2019
But it's, you know, whatever
Are the Nazis really coming back that strong?
That's too strong
It's too strong
But look, I mean, Trump just wants to buy Greenland
And Alex has more examples of purchases
Really?
He does. He's got receipts? He has more purchases
How could there be more? You've made your not a point
And Trump's an idiot
Trump's a terrorist
Yes
Kind of like that purchase of Alaska
For 7.2 million in 1867
Terrible ideas worth
Tens of trillions now
Midway islands
Got that for free, terrible idea
So we already talked about Alaska
Midway airport?
What the fuck is Alex doing? The Midway Islands?
What does he think he's doing?
Midway Island has literally
I mean this, literally
No one living on it
When it was discovered in 1859
It was discovered by a captain
Who was trying to mine guano, or bird shit
And claimed the island for the United States
Which is an acceptable thing to do
Because it was unclaimed and completely uninhabited
And before anyone gets the wrong idea
About this, Midway Island currently has
A population of about 40
And no economy or government to speak of
It was initially used
By the commercial Pacific cable company
As a stop in a project to lay
Transatlantic cable lines in the early 1900s
After that point it was a strategic
Location for the Navy to set up radio towers
And of course as World War II
Was getting going it was a crucially important
Refueling station, since it was halfway
Between the United States and Japan
Hence the name Midway
In the 60s and 70s there were a couple thousand
People stationed there, what with the Vietnam War
Going on, but outside of that there's never been
A relevant population permanently living on the island
And nowadays it's a bird refuge
Well that sounds nice
So if you're keeping score this one was an
I would like Midway Islands to be a 51st state then
Sure, a lot of birds
I'll give that one, yeah
This was an uninhabited island that was claimed
By the United States and no native populations
Were hurt or exploited in the process
This wasn't a purchase and no one has ever really
Lived on the island, there's no culture
That's distinct to the island and it's never had
An existence except as a US base
Unless you're a bird
This has literally nothing in common with Alex's fantasies
In Illinois and Greenland, sincerely
Alex is the stupidest asshole in the world
And he's so terrible at making an argument
This is almost embarrassing to listen to this
And I absolutely wouldn't care at all
Except for the points that I've been trying to make
Throughout this of he is advocating
For the return of colonialism
And that is very bad
Yeah, that's very bad
So you have to, when these are the pieces
That he's using to reinforce
That shift towards that mentality
It's important to understand why these are terrible examples
For the island, get the fuck out of here
You know, so
Being without the constant
Content mill
For the past 10 days
Has been
Very nice
It really has
But it gave me this perspective
While all this Trump is going to buy
Greenland shit is going on
That I didn't expect to receive
Which is
Of course he's not going to buy Greenland
And even talking about this
Is pretty fucking stupid
It's just shit for the content mill
But what fascinates me about that
Is that if we hadn't
Brought this subject up
Alex would never have suddenly started
Talking about how colonialism is okay
And he wants it
And now he's on that side
Like this is a thought that he never would have needed
To confront
Were it not for a bullshit content
Grist
The reason for it to be something he needs to do
Because he needs to defend Trump
And the only way to do it in his mind
Is to like, oh yeah
Let's do this
So the more Trump does dumb shit
The more they reveal exactly what's underneath
That has been there the whole time
Yeah and I guess that's something that's interesting
About focusing on what we focus on
Is that it's less interesting
That Trump said X
It's more interesting how Alex responds to X
And how it makes the people who love Trump
It's fascinating because you're like
I would never have even expected
People to really think colonialism
Was still okay
But it turns out a lot of people are like
Why did manifest destiny stop
Yeah it's troubling
So here's another example
Hawaiian islands
That was the worst
Oh that was not a purchase
Dumb America
That was not a purchase
As someone who spent some years of his childhood growing up in Hawaii
I can tell you firsthand
There are still some not great feelings
About the process in which the island nation
Was brought into the United States
I have a lot of fond memories of my dad
Taking me out of school early so we could go to the courthouse
For the big King Kamehameha day celebration
Legitimately some of my best memories
Are things like that from my time living on the island of Oahu
Taking a part in celebration
Of a culture that was not my own
But I was welcomed into the celebration all the same
That was not the full experience
Of growing up white in Hawaii
I had a really good amount of racism thrown my way
Just because I was white
And that's never great
But as an adult I kind of understand it
In a little bit of a larger context
The early history of the Hawaiian islands
Is difficult to get into
Because all the islands have their own stories
We weren't completely like a united thing
Through a lot of history
And even had conflicts between each other
From time to time
Because getting into that is endlessly complicated
Though there are some amazing tales that exist in that canon
I'm going to choose to start our story today in 1922
Because that's when James Dole
The owner of the Hawaiian pineapple company
Which would become Dole
Bought the island of Lanai
Lanai became almost entirely a pineapple plantation
And I remember in my youth being told
That normal people like me were not allowed to go to Lanai
Because it was wholly owned by Dole
I imagine showing up on Lanai
Would be something not unlike that scene
In the Leonardo DiCaprio movie The Beach
Where Leo accidentally stumbles into
A giant marijuana farm on an island
But this would be with pineapples
The island isn't closed off to people anymore
But it might have been
When I was there
Because the pineapple plantations
Were still operational until the time I lived in Honolulu
It was more like Leonardo DiCaprio
And Django Unchained than The Beach
It may have been
By then the Lanai plantation
Was a smaller operation
It was run by Del Monte
Because Dole had fled Hawaii in search of cheaper labor
The pineapple business in Hawaii
Was very big
And Lanai boasted the largest such plantation
In the world, which understandably gave James Dole
A very powerful position in the islands
Flashback to 1795
King Kamehameha
Has united the islands
Into a single kingdom
His descendants rule until 1872
The line ending with the death of the childless
King Kamehameha the fifth
With no air, chaos descended
On the process of determining the next ruler
When things got a little bit out of hand
The forces stepped in to quell the violence
Ultimately leading to the ascension
Of King Kalakua
Although initially on friendly terms
With Western interests
In time Kalakua began
Entertaining ideas of creating a federation
Of Polynesian states
Each independent and sovereign
But cooperative in their interests
This was not something that the western business
Interests wanted to see happen
Things were all right for their business
Interests as it was
When the states got together
They could ultimately jeopardize their corporate power
Through exports and trade
Labor unionizing
So on July 6th 1887
King Kalakua was
Literally forced at gunpoint to sign a new constitution
For Hawaii that was written by the white
Business owners and was designed
To disenfranchise the native population
And make it easier for their businesses
To run roughshod over nature and the native peoples
It's remembered by its appropriate name
The Bayonet Constitution
The men who made Kalakua sign
The Constitution were members of a group
Called the Hawaiian League
Which was comprised of sugar and pineapple business owners
Missionaries and lawyers
This was legitimately a white secret
Society aimed at overthrowing the kingdom
Of Hawaii and getting the U.S.
To annex the islands
They exerted their control by joining up
With a local white militia called the Honolulu Rifles
Who were literally the ones pointing the guns
During the signing of the Bayonet Constitution
The new constitution took much of the power
Away from the monarch and gave that power
To the legislature
Generally democratization when it's not forced
At gunpoint is a good thing
But this constitution also specified
And put in place new requirements
For voting rights that would disenfranchise
Most of the native population of the island
Leaving only the white settlers
And business owners as the ones
Who could elect the members of the legislature
To get elected even one had to quote
Own real estate within the kingdom
Of clear value
Kalakua's cabinet was dismissed
Some fleeing the country
And under
Feelings that they were going to be killed
And then that cabinet was replaced
Wise feelings
And that the cabinet was then replaced
By members of the Hawaiian League
This was not democratization
This was a coup
Just like Georgia
Kalakua died
Not the country Brian Kemp
Kalakua died in 1891
And was succeeded by his sister
Queen Lilio Kalani
Who was recognized as the last monarch
Of Hawaii
When Lilio Kalani rose to the throne
She made it clear that it was her intention
To restore power to the monarchy
Specifically targeting the business interests
That had been behind the original coup
That scared the shit out of the business owners
And members of the Hawaiian League
Who had by now changed their name
To the committee of safety
The goal of the actions of the white settlers
Has been aimed at the annexation of Hawaii
They really wanted the United States
To take over Hawaii
Most of the momentum was
A lot easier to suppress people
Whenever you got the whole United States behind you
Most of the momentum was coming from Americans
Who wanted to take the islands
But they also used the fear that if we didn't do it
The British or the Japanese would
To rally politicians to their side
Nationalism being used in a negative
I don't know
All that really stood in the way of their ability
Lilio Kalani was clear in her position
That she stood against annexation
And thus the members of the committee for safety
Knew that they had to actually overthrow the queen
Which is what they paved the way
To do in order to help pave the way
For the United States to have no reason
To not annex
On January 14th, 1893
Queen Lilio Kalani gave a speech
Indicating her intention to invalidate
The bayonet constitution
She made clear she would not seek
To quote deprive one white man
Of any legitimate right
But she quite accurately also pointed out
That quote, any newly arrived white man
Without interests or intention of residence
Is placed as a voter above the heads
Of thousands of my subjects
To whom God had given these islands
And no other home
She presented cabinet ministers with the new constitution
That she wanted to enact
Which they refused to sign
Before fleeing the government building
Afraid of the crowds of Hawaiians
Who had gathered to support the queen
They decided to frame their coming actions
As purely a means to protect the lives
And property of white citizens
Pretending there was a noble reason
For their clear incitement and conspiracy
The reasons for framing the situation like this
Was because they knew that the U.S. military
Would not openly support their efforts
To overthrow the queen, but they would
Intervene to protect U.S. citizens
If the illusion was created that
That's what they were needed for
You could get the military into play
Charles Burnett Wilson
The presidential of the kingdom
Caught wind of the overthrow plot
And attempted to get arrest warrants
For the members of the committee
Who were agitating against the government
But because they were all well-placed business people
With connections in the legislature
The requests were denied
His quote at the time was
I don't think they're really interested
In safety at all, guys
I think this whole name thing
I think they're fucking with us
Knowing that there was trouble brewing
A narrative to bring the U.S. military into the city
And the defenders of the throne were no match
For the forces behind the coup
Lilio Colani surrendered and the committee
Conspirators took over the government
Installing, you guessed it,
Stanford Dole as the president
Who is the cousin of James Dole
The plantation of Lanai over there
Okay, okay, so you're saying
That there is like this whole
Intertwined political business
Kind of circumstance going on
It's a good thing that America grew out of all that
Now we're the champions of democracy
Abroad, right, Dan?
Right, freedom
Stanford Dole was like leading
These groups, or at least was like
A big agitator in these groups
And his brother, or not brother
I'm sorry, his cousin owned Lanai
And was the plantation
And prosario
So their plan seemed like it worked out perfectly
And now it was time with
Dole in charge
It was time for the U.S. to come and annex White
Unfortunately, Grover Cleveland was president
At the time and he wasn't into this kind of
Imperialist shit
Cleveland actually advocated for Lilio Colani
To be restored as queen
So he was of no help to these plotters
Hey guys, real quick, I'm gonna try
And do the whole America believes the
Bullshit that we say about ourselves thing
Real quick, so business owners
I'm sorry, I'm not gonna get you back on this one
Please make sure that my terms are consecutive
All their coo work
Seemed to be for nothing
And he had to be discouraged
Dole declared Hawaii an independent republic
Waited a few years until McKinley came to office
Who agreed to annex the island
And that Jordan is how Hawaii came to be a part of
The United States
It was a sneaky brutal series of plots carried out
By white settlers and business interests
For the express purpose of disenfranchising
The native populations so their business could prosper
A gorgeous and rich history and culture
Subjugated to the interests of higher profits
An increased sugar exports
And that's why we sing God bless America
For every baseball game
It's pretty much exactly what Alex wants
For the Inuit people of Greenland
On the one hand, I didn't enjoy the kids
At my elementary school would call me Howley
When I lived in Hawaii
But when you understand the history a little bit better
It kind of makes sense
So on behalf of King Kamehameha
And Queen Lillio Kalani
I take this opportunity to say, Alex Jones
You're a goddamn Howley
You fucking asshole
Go swim with the Humuhumu Nuku Nuku
Kalikimaka
I really don't want you to say those words where he might
Come close to trying to pronounce them
Humuhumu Nuku Nuku
It's a state fish
Oh is it?
Kalikimaka means Merry Christmas
Yes, that one I do now in Hawaii
Because there are songs
Those are about all the Hawaiian words I remember
All right
I knew a bunch more at a certain point
That one's a little bit
More of a terrible example for Alex
To be using just because of how explicit
It is and how known
The history is
It's a legit conspiracy
That was carried out to overthrow
The monarchy of Hawaii
For the explicit purpose
Of helping with these sugar
Plantations
The pineapple plantations
The missionaries
It was a coup
It's something that Alex should not be in favor of
He's using it as a great example
Of American expansion
There's a coup
The coup already occurred
In our fucking 2016 election
Why did Georgia become
You know
Why didn't
Brian Kemp win is because of voter suppression
Is because he had control over who was
Allowed to vote
Why did Trump win because of voter suppression
Because we work on this
Electoral college system that is fucking stupid
They steal elections
Why did George W. Bush
They steal elections
There's no way there's going to be a free and fair election
In 2020 anyways
What are we talking about?
Philippine islands, terrible idea
Purchase a bunch of that from Spain
Wait, did he just say that the Philippines
Islands was a terrible idea?
Getting them was a terrible idea
Because we bought them from Spain
Which is not true at all
He's saying it facetiously
Terrible idea
Philippines are not a part of the United States
We didn't buy them from Spain
We seized the islands in 1898
After the Spanish-American war
And installed a military government on the island
Fearing that if we didn't the Japanese would come in
And take over
This naturally led to a three year long
Philippine-American war where Filipino nationalists
Continued their fight for independence
Just against us this time because we were the one
Colonizing them
You're really not telling positive stories about America
Certainly not
Would you like to hear more positive things about white people?
I would if Alex brought up examples for me
To talk about that but he's trying to glorify
All these examples of horrible times
Tens of thousands of Filipino soldiers
As well as civilians were killed in that conflict
The list of war crimes committed by U.S. forces
In that war is a very long one
I don't want to get into it
But it definitely did not include killing
Entire villages of people
Whatever the case the war resolved
And the U.S. put in a transitional government
That would give way to the Philippines
Which was achieved in 1935
This lasted a few years until they were
Occupied by Japan in World War II
And the government was sent into exile
After that the country went on to become independent
Again and joined the UN
Then of course came the rise of the brutal
Dictator Ferdinand Marcos
Excuse me, I meant to say brutal U.S.
Backed dictator Ferdinand Marcos
Excuse me, I meant to say brutal U.S.
Back dictator and Roger Stone client
Ferdinand Marcos
Marcos ruled the country for 21 years
And he never raised his people and stole a shitload of money
Alex is citing the Philippines
And citing it as some kind of example
Of positive U.S. involvement
Is an indication that he legitimately has zero idea
What he's talking about
Or he's super into people like Ferdinand Marcos
And honestly these days
Yeah, no, absolutely
Of course he is
If he likes to do terror now
Why wouldn't you love Ferdinand then
Yeah
So that's it for the examples
So it brings us to the end of this list
And I don't think he's made any cogent argument here
In terms of why it's not dumb
To suggest to buy Greenland
Most of these aren't purchases
Most of them were brutal
Exploitations of native people
But not white people so it's fine
And they were profitable
I don't disagree with that angle on it
But if that's the only vector you're using
To determine whether or not this was a good thing that happened
You were going to justify anything
Let's not even get into
For whom were they profitable
Say, okay, so you say
The Louisiana Purchase was profitable
Definitely wasn't profitable
For the people who were already living there
And frankly it's not even that profitable
For the people who moved there
But it sure as fuck is profitable
For the giant people who
The giant business owners who
Fucking make a shit ton of money
Exploiting all the people
So when I started out to do this episode
I was hoping to cover like Friday
Sunday, Monday, even
You know, like do a big
Stretch of present day stuff
But that was like
That was so crazy
That I was like, well, I don't think I can get past
The 16th
That's a legitimately insane
Thing that Alex is trying to argue
Just because his hero
Said something stupid
Just to defend that he has to go all the way
To advocating for colonialism
To return for the United States
In a terrifying fashion
So now he jumps off that
And we get to just some dumb
Defending Trump about other stuff
Shit, this is really stupid
Yep, Trump's an idiot
He's a bad guy
Well, you just heard the former
Deputy Director of the FBI
He said the Trump supporters
Are like terrorists
Last week he said
Trump lowered the flags to have staff
To Heil Hitler
Because he knows leftists will actually believe that
Yes, he ordered
him lowered on a certain date and
Brought back up another to
Salute Hitler because it was 8-8
You know, not many people know
That a very small group of prisoners
Like the number 88 because it's the number
Of the alphabet, it kind of becomes
A schizophrenic thing that
Really? Is 8
And so H, H, 8, 8
Right, a small group
Of prisoners believe that? Alex
Oh man, that's me
Thinks he does protest too much on that one
Yeah, that's... Just a small
Group of prisoners, Alex
Right
I could get into the numerous times that
Frequent past Alex Jones guest
Jack Pasobic has
Tweeted out weird things about 1488
Yeah
But let's leave that alone for now
It was a good year, Dan, it was a good year
Sure, so Alex is referencing an appearance
Made by Frank Figliuzzi
On the 11th hour
That show on MSNBC
This dude's a former counterintelligence guy
For the FBI and he spent a ton of time
Researching and studying extremist groups
So when he was appearing on the show
He pointed out that lowering the flags
It's not lowering the flags, it's re-raising
The flags on 8-8 is probably
A bad publicity move that would be interpreted
As hailing of Hitler by people who wanted
To see it as that
He was very clear that he wasn't saying
That Trump did it deliberately, but was saying
Of the extremist community on the right
Currently is such that something like this
Will likely be seen as some indication
Of tacit support
The lowering was meant to be about
The El Paso and Dayton shootings
Which were on August 3rd and 4th, respectively
So the argument essentially was that
It would have been a wiser or safer PR move
If the flags would have been chosen
To be re-raised on any other day
Since it wasn't a timely thing
It wasn't a speed thing, it wasn't like
We gotta raise it as soon as possible
On the 9th, if you wanted, it would have been just as easy
So what he was saying is that the White House
If they understood the white supremacist movement
In the country that they were dealing with
Someone would have advised him against
Doing it on 8-8
Really the main criticism seems to be
That Trump and his people seem unaware
Of the reality of the extremist movements in the country
It doesn't seem to be criticism that Trump
Is racist or a Nazi or anything like that
Just that he's not getting good advice
That could possibly avoid sending the wrong message
From that, Alex gets that a former
New director of the FBI is on TV
Calling Trump and his supporters Nazis
I feel like you wouldn't make that kind
Of misleading leap
You know, generally
Unless there was a part of you that was worried
About people rightly calling you a Nazi
I think this is
A doth protest too much
If you get defensive too fast
That's when you know what you're
Actually afraid of revealing
You're trying to create the idea
That any criticism of you is saying
That you're racist or a Nazi
Because you know eventually valid criticisms
Of you being a racist or a Nazi
You're going to come up and you want to preemptively
Be like, oh all criticisms
They just say I'm a racist
By doing it too preemptively
You're just too open with it
And that's kind of a big part of Alex's career
Exactly, he's the weakest link
So Alex has
This is a little bit of an ad piece
That he has
And you'll see how he's trying to raise money now
To remind folks of this
We're only here because of you
And
In the last two weeks
The Democratic Party
Has filed two more lawsuits on me for Sandy Hook
Because they believe that the Court of Appeals
Is going to throw their lawsuits out
Coming up in September
The Democratic Party hasn't done that
Sandy Hook parents have
No, it's the DNC
And I would suggest
That actually more lawsuits
Is a very bad sign for Alex
Because these parents wouldn't be filing these lawsuits
If it looked like the other ones
Were going to fail
The only reason that they would add more lawsuits
Is like oh my god this is actually going to work
We're actually going to have our voice heard
I think that this is a
Terrible sign for Alex
And of course that's what he would use to try and fundraise
Like I'm going to need
I've got more legal fees guys
I've got more fucking fights
And that's why we've got Norm Paterson
To actually directly ask you
For the money that I'm going to pay
Actually I think Norm is
I want to let people know that I'm not as interested
In your cases and I want to help defend
This ice guy who
Tried to drive over people
So Alex has some guests
On the show
Okay
Norm was on earlier but he's
So boring I just don't care
So we have this guy
Coming up
Which guy?
Dishonest methods and practices
Among which are political bias
Boosting and deboosting
Of search results for specific websites
Perjury of Google CEO Sundar Pachaita
Congress and other questionable
Practices
I want to play
So we got this guy
Greg Coppola
Who was featured in a project
Veritas video
I heard Alex announced that he was going to have
This dude come on
And talk about how Google is trying to
Crush conservatives and
I just let out an exasperated sigh
I'm so tired of these clunky ass attempts
At journalism from James O'Keeffe
I just can't stand them
They're all equally bad and misleading but they're exhausting
They're exhausting to get into
Yeah that's what he's doing
The more time you have to spend reacting
Is the less time you spend
Doing something valuable
It's the name of the game
I decided that instead of caring about Alex's interview
He's going to watch the project Veritas video
To see if I should even give a shit about what this guy
Is claiming to be a whistleblower about
Namely that Google is trying to election
Metal by silencing conservatives
I legitimately had to turn off the video
Long before it was done because this guy is saying
Fucking nothing
He says that the way Google is
Censoring conservatives is that they only
Aggregate a small number of sources
For their news category
That Google has searched and the news results
And that those news sources
Quote vitriolically against President Trump
Which I consider to be interference
In the American election
I decided to put this to the test
By just Googling Donald Trump
Clicking on the news tab and seeing what comes up
The second result was from Fox News
The third result was from USA Today
With the scathing headline
Quote Baron Trump is taller than his mom
Even in her heels and he's sporting a new haircut
A little further down the results
Just so you know I am rooting now
For climate change to get rid of humanity
In case you were wondering
A little further down the results
You get an article from the national review
The outlet founded by notorious leftist
William F. Buckley
There's another article from Fox News
Quote Heather McDonald
Trump is not the one dividing us by race
His rivals are obsessed with quote white privilege
And another one
There's another Fox News article
Quote John Voight declares Trump is
Greatest president of the century
Okay
Let's take a look at the news that are included
In Google's news search
Footwear news
Sporting news
WebMD, wine spectator
Men's health and of course
Fish stripes
The only podcast you need to know about
If you're a fan of the Miami Marlins
All of these sites and tons of others
Show up in Google's news feed
So I kind of suspect that this guy just might be talking
Shit and people like James O'Keeffe
Really want to listen
To this pro Marlins propaganda
That you're throwing on our show
Fish stripes
Free plug
The Miami Marlins are an evil organization
It may be
But their podcast shows up in the news
Section of Google
The second thing that this dude says
Is that 20% of all searches for Donald Trump
Go to an article from CNN
Jordan, how many CNN results do you think
I found in the first page of Google news
By searching for Donald Trump
First page, that's like what
15 results?
0
There were 2 results from Fox News
On the first page though
So out of 2 stories displayed
I don't know if you know this
2 out of 7 is more than 20%
It does seem like that
2 out of the 10 stories on the second page
Were about Trump from CNN
So that would be 20%
If it weren't for the first page
Because now we're up to 2 out of 17
After that point there were about 2 stories
Per page from CNN
But that doesn't necessarily mean anything nefarious
CNN puts out a whole lot of content
And looking through the search results
And where they seem to come from
The places that put out a lot of material
And aren't named info wars
Seem to pop up most frequently
Fox News, Politico, Washington Post
CNN, the AP, Reuters, The Hill
Guardian, USA Today
Then you have some of the other folks sprinkled in
A Rolling Stone article here
National Review article here
I don't really see much that seems fishy here
Quite honestly
Without what I would call proof
I think it's perfectly reasonable assessment
For why there's a whole lot more content
That appears to be negative about Trump
Is that he's doing a lot of negative things
No one would write a story about him
Being an idiot for wanting to buy Greenland
If he hadn't said he wanted to buy Greenland
There wouldn't be stories about him
Getting into a petty fight with the mooch
If he hadn't gotten into a petty fight with the mooch
Or the media to cover negative things that Trump
Does in a positive way
Or decrying that they don't
Is essentially saying that you're mad
That the press isn't a controlled arm of the state
And I don't really have a lot of time for that position
Thank you
Thank you for finally saying it
Right, if you're demanding positive coverage
Of things that are pretty negative
I don't, like what do you want
CNN to write an article, but isn't it awesome
That Trump and mooch are fighting
Yes, why aren't you doing this
Isn't it great that our fearless leader president
Is willing to confront his critics
Head on, man to man
See, I wrote your CNN article
Next, give me another headline
I'll rewrite it, pro Trump
I really didn't see anything worthwhile
In this guy's comments, and he kept
Couching all of his answers to questions
Like when he was asked
Instead of saying that there was bias
You'd say he believes there is
He seems actually resistant to saying anything
That's something that people could nail down
To demand evidence of
There's also one point where
He says that he doesn't actually know
What Google is doing, but he says
But what they do do, and then he smirks
At the camera almost cracking himself up
Because he said do do
Which is suspicious
This is not something I'm going to take too seriously
And he helped me not take him too seriously
When he told James O'Keeffe
Quote, I don't have a smoking gun
That's putting it way too strongly
He doesn't have anything except notions
O'Keeffe basically got a guy who works at Google
To say I have nothing to back anything up
Other than my own thoughts
But I think all of your anti-media propaganda
Is totally right
It's possible that this guy is pranking O'Keeffe
He seems really squirrely
And constantly doing looks to the camera
And smiling like he's Jimmy Fallon
Trying to keep it together in an SNL sketch
Is he zacking from Saved by the Bell?
I don't know, there's a weird vibe
He's giving off, but that just could be
Like social awkwardness or something
And the possibility that this is a prank
For sure, it's probably not, but it's possible
Why not?
The other possibility, which is way more likely
Is that this guy is just a right-wing weirdo
Who believes all the propaganda narratives
Put out by the extreme right-wing media
Like Alex, Project Veritas and Tucker Carlson
Which are weirdly the three places
I've seen him pop up for interviews
Some of my reasoning for this
When he talked about CNN showing up in the news feed
He seems to think they shouldn't because Trump has called it
Quote, very fake news
He also suggests that all it would take
To skew the news results at Google
Would be a few people working in a secret project
But he doesn't in any way indicate that he's aware
That such a project exists, so he's kind of
Just speculating and talking shit
In the same way that Alex does
And all this other right-wing media does
He says, quote, I think the way that Google
Works, the way that Democrats work
The way their allies work in the media
They don't really want a lot of questioning of anything
They just want to call people names
And get them to tow a certain kind of line
Man, it sounds like I've heard almost that word-for-word
From other places where you might have heard that from
Right, the way that Google works
The way that Democrats work, bundling that all up
And he says that immediately after saying that
At work at Google on a day-to-day basis
That everyone knew that he liked Trump
And no one cared, so I don't know what he's responding to
This interview is shit
The guy isn't saying anything and the best way to sum it up
Is that this is yet another Project Veritas video
These tech companies absolutely do need to be addressed
There are serious problems that need to be taken care of
But I know these guys well enough to know
That I cannot find common cause with them
There's superficial agreement with what I would
The position I would have
The agreement is about what the problem is
Describing the problem
That covers up a massive disagreement underneath
About why we think something is a problem
So fuck all this
Like, it bothers me
Because either they know exactly how cartoonish they're being
Because literally what they're doing is saying
Okay, we need content that says what we want it to say
But we can't get that content
So we'll make some content and just say it says what we wanted it to say
Yeah
That's cartoonishly evil
That's cartoonish
But the manipulation seems to work
It works, but it's quite...
You can't be that stupid about it
And get people to believe you, but apparently you can
Yeah
We're living in a Captain Planet episode
And somehow people are not realizing that
The bad guy is the guy who looks like a giant rat
Yeah
They're like, that guy seems like he's got some good ideas about the environment
Yeah, it's weird
It is weird when you take a step back
Yeah
And look at it through a wider prism
So I decided that I wasn't going to cover at all
This guy's interview with Alex
Because I really felt like the chances are this is like
This guy just has a bunch of paranoid notions about elaborate conspiracies
And he probably got them from Alex to begin with
Yeah
So it seems like it would be pointless to hear him repeat those back to Alex
So Alex can say I was right all along
Right, it's the feedback machine
Yeah
And I kind of was like, ah fuck this, I don't even care about his interview
I watched the project Veritas video, who gives a shit
But it actually goes a little bit off the rails
Because he's a fan of the Miami Marlins
No
Okay
It turned into like, oh, I guess we'll cover it
So in this first clip, Alex is talking to this Coppola guy
And the two of them seem to think that Twitter is suppressing them
Because they don't have enough followers
I mean, it's interesting on the Twitter thing, I mean, I got 9,000 followers in the first two hours
And I haven't had any more followers
Even after I went on Tucker Carlson
Even after the President Trump retweeted me
So I think they're getting maybe cute, I don't know
I think that's one of the problems is we don't have transparency
So it's kind of just like he said
Oh, my son went on Twitter a month ago
He got 10,000 in, like you said, two hours
And then it stopped there
Even though he said videos with a half million views
And everybody's saying they're trying to follow him, they're just not able to
I don't believe that for a second
And maybe those 9,000, 10,000 are about the market that is interested in following you on Twitter
Like maybe there's a lot of like older people who read
Who watch Fox News that watch Tucker Carlson that aren't on Twitter
Maybe the people who are, you know, there's plenty of
Maybe the bot networks that overinflate a lot of people's viewer accounts
And some like follower accounts
Maybe they haven't picked up on you yet
So I mean, there's plenty of reasons why like
Yeah, 9,000 followers for you appearing in a Project Veritas video
That has like maybe 2,000 likes
The Project Veritas tweet about it
Yeah
Okay, so your video got 2,000 likes from the main account that put it out
You ended up with 9,000 followers from that
That seems like normal metrics
I don't see anything suspicious about this
But they're turning it into proof that they're being blocked
I do like that ability to blame any amount of success or lack thereof on secret conspiracies
It is really, really comforting
Like I wish I could just say of my comedy career
The reason that I'm not on TV is because a large group of people have been oppressing me
Well, I mean, you do hear that from a lot of comics
Yeah, that's true
You do hear a lot of
That is true, god damn it, people are fucking stupid
That's easy, it's a very appealing
It's an appealing mindset to have
And I'm glad that in the long period of time where no one was listening to our show
We didn't succumb to that sort of rationale for why no one was listening
Honestly, I think we're succumbing to the opposite now
Is there a conspiracy of people trying to make us feel better about ourselves for a little bit?
Is this a make-a-wish situation that we're living in right now?
Right, is there a trap?
Yeah, yeah
Are we about to get eaten by some sort of weird alien race?
Uh-oh
They're fattening us up?
It's possible
So in this next clip, Coppola makes an absurd statement
I mean, honestly, being able to go viral is almost like a human right in the 21st century
So I think we really need transparency around why certain things can trend and why certain things can't
I am amazed by that level of human rights argument on a show that argues against a lot of really basic human rights
Woo!
The idea that, first of all, having a social media account even is a human right is crazy
And then the idea that you have the right to go viral is insane
That's nuts
Yeah, yeah
That's, that's astonishing
Yeah
That is a batshit level of entitlement
I can't even, I can't even process
Right, and this is from this Google whistleblower
Yeah, wow
Well, if everybody has a human right to go viral, then we're gonna be really inundated with a ton of terrible content
That is, that is the definition of delusions of grandeur
It doesn't get more grandiose than like, if the only possible reason the world does not instantly all kowtow to my whim after my whistleblowing video
Is because somebody is suppressing it and they're destroying my human rights
To go viral
To go viral
Wolf
Yeah
Alex complains about his stake in the social media game by bragging about his appearance on Rogan
Take Joe Rogan's podcast, he admits that they even shadow-banded it, but it's had something like 50 million views on all the platforms
It's bigger than a Xelon Musk by over 10 million
What about Bernie?
It's the biggest podcast he's ever done, but because it's the biggest thing he ever did, it's too dangerous to ever basically probably have me on again
So again, being most popular now and being what humans agree with, that's now verboten
Alex seems to be forgetting that he did go back on Rogan
Yes, he did
Like, I don't, I don't, like, this is crazy
We should be allowed to outlaw clearly fake words invented for bullshit
Shadow-band
If you say shadow-band, get the fuck out of here
But it is a real thing, just not in the sense that they're using it
None of these people are using it the way it's intended
It sounds fucking spacey and like it's in the movies of hackers and he's like, yeah, shadow-band
So up to this point, this interview is largely what you'd expect
Sort of retreading of the Project Veritas video, and it is exactly that, like, what I didn't care to cover
For sure
It's not interesting, it's what you'd expect
Alex trying to validate his victimhood through this guy who doesn't seem to have any real information
Just senses of things?
Yeah
And so that's not good
And this next clip is why it ended up becoming something that I needed to talk about
And that's because Alex brings in another guy from Google
So Zach Voorhees, I thought, made history yesterday
It was totally blacked out except for dredgereport.com and viewers and listeners of the show
Which is millions of people
But we're talking to Greg Coppola, who is a senior engineer, highly respected
Put on leave when he went public a month ago at Project Veritas, and he's saying
He thinks that Zach Voorhees is the Ed Snowden of Whistleblower so far
I certainly thought it with the documents he put out that are incredibly damning that we'll put on screen for TV viewers that
Alex hasn't read those documents
No
So Zach Voorhees, not to be confused with Alex's source, Zach
He's another Google Whistleblower who Project Veritas is promoting
He was interviewed by James O'Keefe and almost immediately
Journalists ran into some problematic information
No!
Somebody put him back in...
James O'Keefe should be in jail!
Looking through the Zach Guy's Twitter account, people found him saying
Quote, the narrative of QAnon has been more accurate than any news outlet
Which might not be disqualifying on its own, but it's certainly a bad indicator in terms of a person's judgment and discernment
The problem goes deeper though when you look at more of his social media and you find that he's argued that vaccines cause autism
He was a big pizza gate guy and has made numerous accusations that the media and government are controlled by Zionists
Right, so he has an unimpeachable track record
He's even gone so far as to say that Zionists killed Andrew Breitbart
Quote, it's very simple, either you go along with the Zionists or you end up like Andrew Breitbart
He accuses, quote, Israel and the Zionist cabal for doing 9-11, which is insane since we all know it was Leo Zagami
It was his fault
He also accuses the term Zog, which stands for Zionist occupied government multiple times, and that is a huge problem
Zog is not a term that casual folks use
It has a distinct place in the fringe worlds of anti-Semitism and white supremacy
His use of that term is a very strong indication that he himself is an outright white supremacist
Or he takes information from white supremacist sources so regularly that he's adopted that term
And either of those is not good
It is occasionally heartening to look at these awful people
Because, you know, a lot of people when you perceive a Google employee you think
Somebody who's this brilliant top of their field, just a super genius level talent
And then you see this guy and you're like, oh it could be any old asshole
You know, like when Trump became president you had to admit, fucking it doesn't matter if you know what you're talking about
Any idiot could become president
But at the same time with this, I don't doubt that Voorhees is probably very good at whatever tech stuff he does
For sure
It's just that that can also occupy the same brain that believes there's a Zog
Yes, yeah, actually
It's also probably, you know, I'm putting this down to a dichotomy of him being an anti-Semite
Or taking in white supremacist anti-Semite content so much that he just absorbs it
And I think it's probably more the case that he's an anti-Semite
Based on his use of sarcastic parentheses around words that he wants to denote Jewishness
Like when he put them around, quote, the globalist media in a tweet
I think that the case for him being a big old piece of shit is pretty strong
Yeah
When these parts of Voorhees' belief system started to come up, Project Veritas accused sites like the Daily Beast of attacking the messenger instead of the message
They were engaging in ad hominem attacks because they were scared of what Voorhees brought to the table
That's what Project Veritas was saying
You know, his beliefs had nothing to do with the message
Also, interestingly, as documented by Will Summer, Voorhees immediately went back and started scrubbing his social media to erase all this anti-Semitic shit
Yeah, naturally
Because of course he did
Yeah
It's not true or fair to argue that bringing up this stuff is just attacking the messenger
It's very relevant
The documents he is releasing to a known publicity stunt fraud operation purport to show that there's a grand conspiracy against conservatives in the media
Criminal fraud organization
It's very relevant that this guy also believes that the Jews control the media and the government
So when he tells O'Keeffe that they're tampering with elections to overthrow the government, it's important to realize he believes that it's the Jews doing that
The message being put out on Project Veritas is overtly anti-Semitic because of this guy's beliefs that we have prior context to understand what he believes
But because O'Keeffe doesn't mention that aspect of his source, he's able to slightly obscure that reality
And just present the information as unbiased and coming from a credible source when he might as well just be reading from a new high-tech version of the protocols of the Elders of Zion
This isn't some extraneous piece of trivia about the guy
It gives content and shows why he might be trying to go out of his way to prove his theory and why he would stoop to being used by Project Veritas to do so
Like if his documents purported what they claimed they did, he would absolutely get a platform to release them on the intercept or any number of places
Other media outlets that would be interested in this kind of story
You only go to Project Veritas if what you have isn't great, but you want to make a splash in the right-wing media
And also if it is a human right for you to go viral
Absolutely
Yeah, that is why you go to Project Veritas
I looked over the documents that Voorhees released to Project Veritas
In a dream!
One of the main pieces of evidence that he brought to the table is a list of blacklisted sites that weren't to be included in news search results
These included things like Google Drives
People have their own Google
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Of course that wouldn't show up in
Yeah, no, that would be ridiculous
eBay results were excluded, which makes some sense too
Which partially because they have their own, you know
Yeah
And then there's a bunch of torrent sites, which might be a legal issue
The only other site that isn't one of those types of sites that's in their blacklisted site list is the Daily Stormer
Then there's another section of the list, which is quote, sites with high user block rates
User block rates
Which is to say users of Google block these sites themselves
And they're noting, oh, there's a really high way above average instance of this
Gotcha
Okay, so they're not suppressing the search results
The people are choosing not to see these results in there
And possibly they're on a list because of that
Yeah
This is a list of sites that consumers have not wanted to see pop up in results
And a whole lot of those are things like angrypatriotmovement.com
And girls just want to have guns.com
Admittedly, this list is largely conservative
But a whole lot of it is overtly anti-Semitic
And white nationalist sites too
It's not just all conservative things
And that also includes sites like liberalamerica.org
Or modernliberals.com
They're probably spam organizations that have a liberal bend to them
Oh, it also includes media matters, Occupy Democrats, Wonkette
And that horrible conspiracy message board above top secret
The end of the document includes sites that have been flagged
Because they tried to create fake versions of real news sites
Like abcnews.com.co
Or cbsnews.com.co
Which are obvious just trolling attempts
From this document, I don't see any indication that there's some kind of an internal censorship happening
What I see is an internal decision to block torrents and the daily stormer
And then a giant list of sites that users have blocked at above average rates
There's no indication that those sites are at all blacklisted too
I mean, I know for a fact that above top secret shows up in search results
Since I regularly run into the site when I'm looking into project Camelot stuff
So that piece of information doesn't seem good
If that's one of the big pieces of evidence, I say no
Yeah, well, the thing that they believe is that the free market means they'll be allowed to win
Because they're obviously the most popular
So if the free market is saying they don't want us
That means that Google is manipulating those people into that blockchain
They must
Because the only explanation is that they're supposed to win the free market of ideas
They have to
And somebody is suppressing them
So that idea of, you know, user block versus internal block doesn't mean anything to them
Nor should it
Because obviously users wouldn't block them
Users love them
Yeah
So another piece of evidence he's provided is a screenshot of a program to classify YouTube channels
Depending on how fringe their coverage is
What immediately jumped out to me from this screenshot is that it clearly says, quote, work in progress
So who knows if it was even implemented or even followed through on
It could have just been an idea
The other thing that jumps out is that there's a list of example ratings that the screenshot contains
The Wall Street Journal tops the list at 8.53 for their rating indicating a low level of fringeness
Then you got Alex Jones down at a negative 1.56
Okay
Which makes sense too
Yeah
The Young Turks and the Huffington Post have substantially lower rates than Breitbart and Fox News
Indicating that their coverage is seen as more fringe
This document, if anything, demonstrates a lack of political bias against conservatives
Yeah, I would say that it demonstrates the status quo heavily skews towards old white people
Perhaps
Strange
There are apparently thousands of documents that Voorhees released, but I'm absolutely not going to read all of them
He is clearly an anti-Semite who believes the Jews control the media and government
Or in the process of installing a Zog
In an effort to promote the idea that there's a giant conspiracy about controlling the media and the government
He reached out to Project Veritas who chose to highlight those two documents that I have just pointed out
Those are the ones that they're pushing to the forefront
Then they show absolutely nothing close to what's being touted as what they're showing
All in all, this is exactly what I've come to expect from Project Veritas
And if there's some, oh, smoking gun in this pile of thousands of documents
Then at best what they've done is a terrible job of presenting it
Because the ones that they did point out are bullshit
So anyway, Voorhees sucks
Occam's razor at this point dictates that if there is a smoking gun
Or if there is any evidence at all that Google, Facebook and all these people are going out of their way to suppress conservative voices
It would come through some place
Even, you know, some piece that has a high margin of respect like the intercept
The intercept would totally put it out
Glenn Greenwald would jerk off to the notion if he could prove that they were doing it
And he's not the only one, there's tons of outlets
Tons of people, not necessarily your CNN or whatever
I'm not going to hear about it from a guy who's a zog
Who believes in a zog
I'm going to hear about it from the intercept
So until the intercept or somebody like that comes through with this
I'm going to let the zog guy go based purely on his zogginess
I don't need it
But it's important, like I know I already made this point
But it's important to recognize that those beliefs that he has clearly demonstrated by his social media presence
And things that he's put out into the world is disqualifying for him to make arguments about, I don't know, someone trying to control the government and media
Because we already know what he believes about that
It's a big problem
Yeah, you're out immediately
I don't need to read any of your documents if you're also the guy who's like
And the zionist run the media
Right, so at this point Alex decides that he's going to let these two have a bull session and let them take over the show
I'm going to stop there for the hour
I think we should have Greg Coppola here with our next guest who's joining us, Zach Voorhees at Perpetual Maniac on Twitter
You guys have a discussion here, meeting each other, talking to each other
Go ahead
What?
Hey, Greg, how you doing?
What are we doing?
I don't know, I think, I mean Alex does constantly butt in after this, but I think his idea was like, I want to eat lunch
Yeah, that has to be right
Let these two guys talk, I'm going to eat lunch, yeah, but he keeps butting in
Because he thinks that this is some kind of like world changing summit
Yeah
That he's brokered on the show and he says as much in this next clip
This is like Stalin Churchill and FDR, this is crazy, this is a meeting
This is the Lincoln Douglas debates is what's going on
It's amazing
History
History is being made by this
This appearance on Alex Jones' fucking stupid show
That he spent most of defending the idea of buying Greenland
Frost Nixon is coming up
I got these two heavy hitters
So in this next clip, Greg Coppola, he's talking about like, man, everybody hates social media
So why aren't other ones successful?
I was going to say half of America is really being kind of antagonized by tech parts
They're not happy, it's the same thing in every country
So shouldn't somebody be able to get rich off of this and just catering to these other people if there really was a free market?
Well that's what's been said, what if Trump or others got together and promoted a new startup, everyone would leave immediately
That's the Achilles heel, there's no bloody revolution, there's no lawsuits, there's no antitrust, just OK Google, OK Apple, FU
See, I can actually tell you why this hasn't worked
It's because the people who don't like these social media networks and do still want social media networks
There's a lot of people who don't like them and they're like, I'm going to get off this and go live my life
They don't bother with this stuff
But the ones who leave and have to leave generally are Nazis
And white supremacists, and when they create their own spaces that are free from the censorship of Facebook
They generally turn into violent, awful shitholes full of people saying some of the most vile shit in the world
Like you see it very easily, that's why this doesn't work
That's crazy
Which if you are one of those white nationalists, you should kind of look at that as a microcosm of the nation that you would create
Would you have your way?
It seems like you should take
Should you have your white nation, it will look like when you have a white nationalist Twitter
It looks like Gab
Yeah
And that's not good
It looks like a place that's going to tear itself apart because the only people within your white nation are the people who want to tear everyone apart
It does seem like it will go that direction
So now Alex is just loving having these two guys on
And there's not a ton of clips that I've cut of that because I don't really think their conversation was that interesting
But I do think it's interesting that Alex polled one of his trademark moves in the middle of the conversation
The first to offer you gentlemen together once a week whenever you want a two hour show to say whatever the hell you want with no strings attached
I mean the listeners love this, they love a real discussion
Alex just loves giving people shows
This is not a good way to run your organization
He offers everyone shows
Everyone gets a show
He offered Barnes a show, he's offering these two guys a show, he offered Mike Rotondo a show
I need content, I need it
He's offered Caller's shows, it's just insane
Where's Old Man House Phone?
He might be dead
We miss him
R.A.P. Old Man House Phone
In this next clip I admit that I only kept this in because I'm petty
No it's like Monty Python when the night that goes knit has had all his arms and legs cut off
It's like it's done, why are you no more getting obsessed with like target fixation
Alex is wrong on two counts
I was going to say you can't be wrong on both
Pick one
That's the Black Knight
The Knights Who Say Knit or the Black Knight
You can't say the Knights Who Say Knit are the Black Knight
God damn it
The Knights Who Say Knit
I love that it's so consistent too, he says that all the time
He needs to go rewatch Monty Python
You know who wrote that sketch?
Thomas Jefferson
That's right
So in this next clip, Zach Voorhees talks about how he was a part of Occupy
This is interesting
I think he says something that can't possibly be true
Yeah, you know I was attacked by Antifa because I disrupted one of their events when they tried to take over Occupy Wall Street
And you know they gave me death threats and it's really funny because I've done more against fascism than all of them combined
Wow
I'm confused
You believe in a Zog
When did the group that the conservatives considered to be Antifa build their own fucking time machine and go back to Occupy Wall Street?
There were groups that you could describe as anti-fascist that have existed for a long time in the United States
Yeah, but you know exactly what he's talking about
Yeah, it's absurd
It is absurd
The current preoccupation with Antifa does not extend back to Occupy Wall Street
No, it does not
He is conflating things for the sake of right-wing propaganda
Bullshit, yeah
Which is not a good sign
And again, he believes in a Zog
So anyway, this interview wraps up and Alex gets kind of
This tet a tet
Towards the end of it, he starts to get into like the spirit
Do you feel the spirit guys?
He wants them to talk about how like back when they worked at Google and YouTube
They felt like downtrodden and like oh ugly everything is bad
But once they started speaking out, the spirit changed
Sure
He wants to introduce a spiritual aspect of the fight that they're in
Sure
And that leads to a long esoteric ramble about how
If you just get into God, everything is great
Which again, I think highlights this thing that Alex has expressed himself
That is his thing, his show is primarily evangelical
And he's using a lot of these right-wing things in order to get people in that direction of accepting Jesus
Or his version of Jesus
And so here's a little piece of that esoteric ramble that ends hilariously
There's nothing wrong with yachts, there's nothing wrong with beautiful women
There's nothing wrong with a 900 horsepower car
But let me tell you, it doesn't come close to promoting real human destiny
And promoting a human future
It's so rewarding to stand up against this force
And so many people seem so enslaved, they have never tasted
They have never imagined communing with God, the higher level
And if you just once ever touch it, you'll never want anything else again
It's not like Christians, you talk about real Christians, not fake ones about
You know, I'm here alive but I can't wait to be with the Lord
I can't wait to give, they don't want to die
In fact, most of them are the longest-lived people over 100 years old
A lot of Christians are the longest-lived people because they're willing to give up their flesh
Why? Why even throw it in?
Hangs on because they're already touching heaven
And I'm telling you folks, there's a whole new universe waiting for you
And something's happening here, the enemy knew it was coming
But we didn't believe their lies, we held the course, you held the course
Leo Zagami's been holding for 39 minutes, I apologize, he's an amazing author, researcher
Oh God
I think probably
I want to hear that so much
Leo Zagami's been waiting, I want that number to increase every time Leo Zagami is introduced
Leo Zagami's been waiting for 28 hours now, we're gonna have him on in just a second
There is true comedy and just like, I assume the people listening were like
Why is Dan playing this kind of standard Alex talking about religion thing
Rambling forever and then be like, I've made Leo Zagami hold this whole time I've been rambling
Now let's get to him, he's Leo, he's Leo, and he's been on hold
He's got it all, he did 9-11, let's keep it going
So Leo Zagami's on and I don't care
I just want to play this one clip that he has, where he expresses something that again is fucked up
It's the power of prayer Alex, that is putting together all of us info warriors against a clearly demonic force
So it's this aggregate that we are creating to oppose their own aggregate, which means fourth form
So we are definitely fighting an epic battle
So the info war is brought together by prayer and they're creating an egregor
Shout out to Robert Evans
That's created this demonic egregor, which we already know from the last time we talked about this is very clearly traced back to
Antisemitic ideas about the Jews creating a demonic entity called the Egregor
That inspires them and is running communism or some shit
You know that really makes me rethink that Jimmy James line and new news radio
Oh yeah, when I zig
When they think I'm gonna zig I zig
That's what I zag, when they think I'm gonna zag, that's what I zag
Yeah, unfortunately a great joke is tainted by white supremacists
Once again white supremacists run shit
So the two of them just have a conversation about the Vatican, I don't really care
And so that brings us to the end of the episode
We get Neo Leo and this episode was crazy
I really wanted to cover more time, but I couldn't
Outright justifying trying to buy Greenland by appealing to a ton of horrible things from the past
And acting like they were purchases that we made in some form and it's absolutely ludicrous
And then also this Google shit is little bit wack and it's worth at least pointing that stuff out
But there's really not a ton of Epstein ton
Yeah there is a little bit of like, we need to overhaul our education system
And I'll tell you who did a great job of doing that, Chairman Mao
He really overturned the whole educational system there, it was a win for everybody
It does have shades of that, it's ludicrous, it's crazy
And so I don't know, I think because of this being so weird and all that
I think we'll probably stay in the present for Friday, just to try and get a little closer up speed
See if he's talking about some of the other issues in the world on other days
Maybe he just was really into this Greenland riff on this day, maybe, I don't know
So we'll see, and we'll be back on Friday and we will see you then, but it's great to be back
It is great to be back
Missed you Jordan, missed doing this
I missed you too buddy, absolutely
But until we get back, people can check out, we have a website
We do, it's KnowledgeFight.com
Yes, and we also are on Twitter
We are at Knowledge Underscore Fight and at Go To Bed Jordan
And we're on Facebook
We are on Facebook, if you would like to download and listen to an episode of our show
Dan, you could go to iTunes
Oh, you could also go to our homepage at KnowledgeFight.com
I changed it from the most recent episode, that's no longer on the homepage
Because I felt like we have so many episodes, it's very hard for people to know where to start
And so I put up on there the episode where he interviews Bob Chapman about Reagan
I thought, I'd heard from a number of people that that's a good intro
That's the best way to start
Yeah, it's a good bottle episode
Reagan got pegged
No, you spoiled it
But if people are looking for, because I do hear from people like, I want to recommend the show
But I don't know what episode to suggest
Some people have said that that's a good entry point
And so I put that up on the homepage
So instead of just saying, I go to the iTunes, there's so many episodes
Maybe that's a good place to direct people
You know what, that's a great idea
So let's do that
Go to KnowledgeFight.com and listen to an episode with a shocking twist
And there's a bunch of talk about his weird commercials too
That episode was a lot of fun
But also, until next time, I've been the Jesus Lizard
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding
Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work
I love you