Knowledge Fight - #336: March 24-26, 2013

Episode Date: August 28, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan stick around in the past to continue looking into Alex Jones' career trajectory in 2013. In this installment, Alex spends most of one show talking about how great the Koch brothers are, and the entirety of another yelling about a song parody video Jim Carrey released about a week prior.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes, like sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Have you ever had a moment where you felt like you would become old?

You know, like disconnected from the, like was there a piece of slang that maybe went, I'm disconnected from the youths. Every single time. Day. Moment. I am online. On fleek? That was the one.

That was the one that got you. That definitely made me feel old. And that's even old at this point. Wow, that's the point. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the VMAs were last night as we're recording this. They're still doing those? I saw a bunch of stuff on Twitter about that.

And I have like, I have almost no idea who half of these people are. Yeah, you don't know who Little Nos X is? I'm aware of him. Okay. I'm aware of him. But the only, I don't know why I am. I'm so disconnected from music. But that one, that one.

I guess it was just because there were a lot of like, right wing people who were kind of like upset about it. Right, right. Quoting their quote. Yes, yes, yes. Country music or whatever. Oh my God. Fuck off.

So like seeing a bunch of these people, I have absolutely no idea who they are getting awards. Maybe feel a little bit out of it. And then the same thing too is like on Twitter, people were talking about like Eddie Murphy is hosting SNL. Yeah. I'm like, first of all, I don't care about that at all. The board of people who are hosting in musical acts.

I didn't know who some of those people. I had no idea. It was like years and years ago, every single person who hosted or were the musical acts on SNL, I would be at least aware of their work, who they were. Now I have no fucking idea. Yeah, it is weird to be on the tail end of the 18 to 34s, where it's like, some of this stuff is still tailored to me,

but not as much as it was when I was 22. I accept it. I make peace with it. I don't judge the youth or the culture itself for being something I'm out of touch with. That's me. I've made that decision to basically just listen to fucking Alex Jones all the time. Yeah, you did.

Yeah, that definitely gets you out of touch with the youth. If Alex starts yelling about Billie Eilish, I promise I'll know who she is. But for now, not really any idea. It's interesting that the best way for you to stay in contact with current culture is if Alex Jones just reviews the VMAs or something like that, you'll be right on with everybody. You'll have to listen to a bunch of albums

so they agree with his tastes. That'd be great if Alex started doing like an E show. Oh yeah, that would be fantastic. Some sort of like real bubble gum pop culture coverage. Yeah, lighten up our show for sure. All right, we're going to do a Real Housewives After Show. That would be amazing. So this podcast, we don't know much about the pop culture,

but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. And I don't know much about either. That's correct. So Jordan, today we're going to be going over, we're staying in the past in 2013. Okay. We're going to be going over March 24th through 26th, 2013. All right. And some of the reasoning for that is, one,

I started listening to Monday's show of Alex's, and it was largely him just screaming about China. Do you mean in the present? Yes. Gotcha. And I was not super interested in that, and I wanted to check out. Gotcha. The second variable is another reason I feel very old.

And that is on Monday, I woke up and I could not hear out of my right ear. Right. I was pretty, not entirely, but mostly deaf in my right ear. And it led to a bit of a freak out on my part on Monday, which cut into a bit of my prep time. Little bit, little bit. I'll be honest. So we're in the past.

And it's going to be interesting to talk about because on our last episode, there were some indications that Alex was veering towards the Sandy Hook crisis actor narrative. And you know, it felt like there's a lot of momentum going. I assume that our predictions have been completely and utterly wrong. Correct? Not yet. It remains to be seen.

Okay. But you know, you're starting to call a number of things actor involved, certainly throwing in actors in the Aurora shooting. We're seeing it talk about the G20 protest in 2009. Meryl Streep's finest performance. Absolutely. And so it felt like, okay, where this thread is getting pulled. And so, you know, you tune in to the days after that.

And it's very interesting what ends up happening. But before we get to that, we've got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. So first of all, Oliver, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Oliver. Next, Eric.

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We've got a lot of Eric's. And they're coming in strong lately. Lately in the future? It seems like we've got a lot of Eric's in this time frame in the last couple of episodes. I like it. I like it. We had a group of Eric's, a gaggle of Eric's. A murder of Eric's.

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Thank you so much, Jonathan. Amir and Lionel. Lionel, Lionel, Lionel. Thank you so much. We appreciate it very much. Thank you very much. There's a tacit agreement amongst all policy wonks apparently to never let anyone completely get that song out of their head.

The moment you think it's gone, it will be referenced. And that is a different person than the three Lionel. Yes, well, of course. Wonk. That's interesting. A lot of Lionel loves. A lot of Lionels. So if you are listening and you'd like to support the show, you can do that by going to our

website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show. We would appreciate it. It'd be delightful. Now let's get into it. The 24th is a Sunday, so there was no show on the 23rd. Alex comes in and he's coming in pretty gloomy. Okay. This is a heavy beginning to an episode.

March, 2013. Pretty soon, 2013 will be in the rearview mirror as well. Pretty soon our lives will be over, but there'll be a new generation. What matters is the continuity of the human species. And then we get more liberty, more enlightenment, more freedom, not less. Welcome to the show. We will all soon be dead. That's tough.

He's at a bad headspace. I was like, it's a bad sign when March is you saying we're soon going to be the end of 2013. Yeah. That means you're taking a wider time scale. Step back on that. Sort of. Oh boy. He does that a lot though too, as if to like really emphasize like how quick time passes.

Right, right. So you'll say like, you know, 2013 will be over on January 3rd. Like I'll say it's not fast approaching the end of the year. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Time flies, but gloomy as hell. We will all be dead soon. We're all going to die soon. And the next generation, well, they're going to die soon too.

What's important is making sure they're free. Sure. So I thought like, oh my God, he is fucked up today. This is going to be weird. Right. And then he throws it to a clip show. He does what? He has like a best of episode.

He did that in studio. He said we're all going to die soon. Yep. And then he went directly to a clip show. The entire show. Yep. That's bananas. He just re-hears a couple of interviews.

That is fucking bananas. Yes. Super nuts. So that means that there might have been literally a producer in the, we got it. Boom. Let's do it. Clip show. And they just tackled him to the ground.

It's so crazy because he was at work. He was there. Yeah. Because I don't think that was pre-recorded. Right. It doesn't have the same tone as a lot of the times that he'll pre-record a little bumper. It seems like he was just there and he's like, I don't want to do the show. I want to work on something else.

Yeah. Fuck it. Replay that other interview. Jesus. Yeah. Pretty wild. That is solid. That is solid work.

Yeah. Absolutely. So now that, that's the 24th. It's going to be about agenda 21, which is a large part of that episode. So we'll go on to the 25th. It's Monday, March 25th. Alex spends a large portion of the show getting into something I never expected to find. And is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard be something that is a preoccupation

for Alex on this episode. If you ever wonder why you hear such demonization of the Koch brothers, it's because they are some of the biggest factory owners in the United States and because they are the biggest coal mining and refining outfit in the United States and they keep the lights on. Do I romanticize that and think they're angels? Not particularly. I've spent months off and on as of late trying to dig up some dirt on them that isn't manufactured or fake.

And about the worst thing I can find is something that all major oil companies, supply companies have been done because loopholes were written. They've sold equipment, oil refining equipment to Iran during those decades long sanctions. This is weird. Are you fucking with us? This is weird. I swear to God, this shouldn't be, it shouldn't happen. We're talking about 2013, right?

Yeah. In a continuity where David Koch just died. Right. And we have not here to foreheard about the Koch brothers whatsoever in the entire 2013 investigation. Not at all. Are you fucking with me? I'm not.

Alex might be. I swear to God. It is very weird, the confluence of past and present. Every time. Yeah. Every time. Yeah, absolutely. It's super weird.

I know that I have heard clips of Alex where he talks about the Koch brothers. In one of them that I've heard, he says that they're not political, which is a weird thing. So I knew that he had brought them up before, but not to the extent he is here on this 25th episode. Okay. He has a lot to say about the Koch brothers. Okay. One of the things I find particularly interesting about this is like, let's imagine that the

worst thing that Alex did find is that the Koch family broke sanctions by helping with equipment, selling oil refinery stuff to Iran. Even if that's true, imagine if Soros did that. That would be a big deal. Like imagine if anybody broke a few sanctions, whatever. That would be the biggest deal. Come on. If David Rockefeller had sold around oil refinery equipment, he was the one who put the sanctions

in then the first place. So of course, anybody who's breaking any sanctions is fighting against the globalists. Correct? It's weird. It's a very weird line that I'm seeing here. And I don't know what to make of it. Honestly, like there's not really a ton of this for me to research because I can't tell you why Alex is saying any of this shit.

Yeah. That is a good question. I don't know. I don't think it proves that he's being paid by the Koch brothers or anything like that, but it's a super weird line that he's taking. Well, it once again reinforces my opinion that perhaps he has a psychic link to 2013 and he's influencing his own coverage post facto in order to fuck with me. Maybe that's some of the technology along with the life extension technology that Trump

has given him for being such a dutiful servant. Right. It's possible. That'd be fun. Yeah. I don't know. Whatever the case is, if this is all that Alex is able to dig up, that means he's not looking too hard.

Not at all. And if that is the case, then he either doesn't want to look too hard or he has looked into it and realizes like, well, let's just say that no big deal. We sold a couple. Everybody does it though. Everybody. Yeah. Sold you to Iran.

Oh, they're funneling all kinds of money into things that I am theoretically against in 2013, but I'm totally cool with now. They don't like climate change or regulation. Boom. They were sure they broke a few sanctions here or there. Maybe their family had something to do with the Nazis. No big deal. So the thing is though, that Alex is only getting into this, I think, because he gets

accused of working for the Koch brothers a bit, which is a natural thing, an accusation for people to make. I mean, he behaves like someone who would be, you know, that doesn't prove anything, but it's certainly a reason why people would be suspicious. You almost think he is stupid if he's not taking Koch money. Yeah. Or principled, which we know he's not. Yeah.

Yeah. So stupid it is. So Alex is responding to that and he gets into that and those thoughts and those feelings that he has about those accusations in this next clip. And so thank God I've been accused for working for the Koch brothers because it made me actually go research them and find out what they're up to and what they're doing. A private family, the second largest private corporation in the country that hasn't merged into tax-free foundations.

They go to some globalist meetings to protect their interest, obviously. Obviously. They're horrible because they're having secret meetings in Colorado, not really secret, they're just not out into the public. And hours of it gets released and it's the government wants to destroy the family. The government wants to take our guns. The government's run by authoritarian megacorporations that aren't free market. Oh my gosh.

How do we, the independent wealthy, defend freedom? Oh my gosh. Can you imagine the evil level of this? Yes. It seems to think that the Koch industries is like a little mom and pop. It's a little mom and pop store. Just like a little family business. The government is trying to regulate these mom and pop shops.

Out of existence. And that's why Walmart is taking over everybody. When was the last time you walked by a good old fashioned Koch coal shop? It's been a while. Now, I mean, it's insane that he can be putting forth the idea that it's like, you know, it's just an independent family business. And then at the same time, sort of perpetuating like their America's engine, you know, like both of those things seem to not really occupy the same space.

One of them is like, Hey, they're relatable. It's just, you know, like down to small business owners. And the other one is like, they are running the whole show. Definitely nothing like the guys in trading places. If they were mixed with an anarcho capitalist nightmare dystopia, they're nothing like those guys, Dan. Nothing. Nothing.

So in this next clip, Alex talks about how Fred Koch is a genius, which is weird. It's almost like before we get too far into this, I want to say that the extent to which Alex goes in praising the Koch brothers makes me think he's not getting any money from that because it's over the top, even for somebody who is on their payroll. Even for one of their lackeys, right? Like Glenn Beck took tons and tons of money from like freedom works and Americans prosperity. He would never say stuff like that. No, not on TV, it almost makes it like he's so glowing and over the top that he's like,

I would almost be like, you're in the clear, yeah, which opens up even more questions. Too fawning. Yeah. Is what are you? Are you? Are you trying to get go brother buddy? It's ghost. It is.

But anyway, Fred Koch's a genius. Because they shut down the two city owned power plants. The third one in Fayetteville is now to be shut down next year. They're just shutting it down. A giant clean burning power plant. The media shows the smoke coming out of it. It's water vapor. That's why it doesn't keep going.

It just, it's hot water. Not how that works. Not how that works. And you could say, well, that's still dirty. It still has byproducts. Yeah, that they use in steel and in plastics and other products. It has a lot of distillates. And you notice the Koch brothers were really smart because the founder of it was a genius

engineer, the father of the brothers, who developed all these distillation programs in the forties and fifties. And he had all these patents. For the nuts. And it was a genius who learned how to use all this stuff. So more I'd studied the Koch brothers, I was just describing it. It's like they're the engine in episode four and the Star Destroyer is chasing the diplomatic frigate and they're firing on it and they blow the engine and they tractor beam it in.

They blow the engine in this country, which they've basically done. It's smoking right now. Then, then it's going to totally implode. The globalists are going to buy everything up for pennies on the dollar. Suspicious in his absence is any discussion of like Fred Koch being a founding member of the John Birch Society. Yeah, he doesn't mention that. No, which is something that he should.

He loves the John Birch Society. He's researching the Koch brothers. He should be like, I didn't know anything about this. It turns out Fred Koch is one of the fucking 12 dudes who was at the first bill. This is this guy is amazing. Yeah, it's it's it's a conspicuous in its absence very much, especially the Nazi stuff. He's even going back to the I learned so much about him from the forties and fifties. I have zero more to say about the Koch brothers in that time.

All I learned about the Koch family in the thirties and forties was the scientific pieces of it. So many brilliant patents. So I don't know if that coal power plant that Alex was talking about in Fayetteville, Texas. I don't know if it closed when he was he's saying it's due to close. I'm not positive that this is the exact same power plant in Fayetteville, Texas. But if I had to bet, I would say that it is considering it's a power plant, a coal power plant in Fayetteville, Texas that is still open and I know that because I found an interesting

article in the Texas to tribune from January 2019 with the headline, quote, report Texas coal power plants leaching toxic pollutants into groundwater. The report found that all 16 of the coal fired power plants in Texas were leaking things like arsenic into the groundwater and that none of them were compliant with regulations about spent coal disposal. I just want to say that Fred Koch is a genius genius. In terms of the Fayetteville plant specifically, people tried to argue that the pollution wasn't their fault.

It was just naturally occurring. But samples taken from upstream from the plant were compared to once downstream and those downstream had, quote, sulfate levels significantly higher and it's therefore probably not naturally occurring. Why can't they just look? We all get it. You tried to pull one over. That happens.

We caught you. Now just fix your fucking plant. Like we get it. You tried to pull one over. We've all been there. You had a good run. You had a good run. You get away with polluting and destroying the planet.

Fine. But now you've got to fix it. Don't bullshit me with this like it's naturally occurring murder pollution. Well, yeah. I mean, that's just the plausible deniability. Yeah. You can't prove that's my arsenic. Fuck you.

Oh my God. So I don't think this is, I don't think this is strong stuff. It's very weird. Yeah. So Alex now gets into the Keystone Pipeline because he believes the opposition to the coal, I'm sorry, to the Keystone Pipeline is just about attacking the Koch brothers, which isn't necessarily true. Is he like one step away from being like, we should just finish off the genocide of

the first peoples? Um, he's not there, but I don't, I don't actually know his position on that, but I do know he doesn't really care if they are protesting this pipeline. Here's the thing about the Keystone Pipeline, America would have gotten that oil. The United States instead, even Bloomberg has to admit this, you can pull it up, Soros is the big winner who owns the, the controlling interest in the big railway that is going to take all the tar sand oil to the west coast of Canada to be loaded on tankers and taken to China.

So Alex knows that it's tar sand oil, which isn't good. The best kind. He should know then that it's really dirty, clean burning. So the argument that the Keystone Pipeline being built with lower energy costs, because that's what Alex is implying. That's what he's, he's, uh, his feelings are cause the oil will come to the United States. Cogondas? Yeah.

So that's a fallacious piece of propaganda, largely pushed by people in the pocket of big oil companies. In 2015, President Obama signed the spending and tax agreement, which was a necessary step to avoid the threatened government shutdown. The GOP had lobbied hard to make sure that a provision was buried in that budget agreement that lifted the ban on US exporting crude oil, which nearly all experts agree is something that only benefits big oil companies and hurts US consumers. Because that ban has been lifted, there's no reason to believe that the tar sand oil

that comes to the US refineries will ever be sold on the US market. There's every reason to believe that if, if it's going where it's most profitable for the oil companies, a good bet is lowering the prices here in the US isn't their prime profit strategy. Alex repeating this line of rhetoric is a good indication that he has no idea what he's talking about. And has just bought the corporate propaganda line or much less likely he has some oil money coming in.

I don't think we have evidence of that, but like, like I said, this behavior mirrors someone who does. Yeah. Or would. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what makes this really complicated. And like, I'm not satisfied with his behavior being proof that he's on a payroll or anything like that. Right. Right. Right. It's just, I get why someone would think that. Anyway, another problem with Alex's support of the Keystone XL pipeline is the building

it would require using eminent domain to take people's property away who are in the path of the pipeline. It's totally fine. They broke a few sanctions. It's not that big a deal. Dan Soros is the one who's eminent. You're demeaning. He's a, he's an, Alex is an essentialist when it comes to private property.

It's one of the most important pieces of the West to him. But I guess that building an oil pipeline to profit and out of control industry supersedes that somehow. Of course. That's weird. It doesn't fit. It doesn't make sense. I don't know.

Native American land is an American land and that's, it doesn't count. Right. So Alex in this next clip is talking about how everything is getting shut down. The energy grid, it's all getting shut down. The globalists are going to take it all out. Probably because of the globalists. But then everybody comes out and they're like, the Koch brothers are so evil. Oh, they are man.

You know, veterans, people I've known my whole life don't have money to drive to work now. You know, to see restaurants closing, businesses closing, roads rotting, just, but, but, but more cops. You can't swing a dead cat and not County, city, state, federal armored vehicles, helicopters, checkpoints. Oh, yes. The signs of tyranny is they just flip the switch.

Boooo. Boooo. Just grabbing the switch. Boooo. Boooo. Boooo. Just turning the lights out of America. It's like going down the life support, flipping off the switches.

Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. And then I hear Koch brothers, demons, Koch brothers, the devil, Koch brothers, there's no one worse. Why they flayed children alive. Alex Jones works for them. And I go, let me go check these guys out. I mean, sure, I know more than most people being politically aware, but let me go make sure I'm, you know, know about these guys.

So I spent the last few weeks and I've got Aaron looking into them right now. We're going to do a whole report on the good, the bad and the ugly, the Koch brothers. Right. And we're going to do the industrial fact that they are all that's left of the engine of America. And don't worry, so-called left authoritarians, that engine's going to get blown. I can see where everything's going. You're going to shut everything down.

That is, that's why I don't think he's on the payroll. Yeah. Like if you are some sort of like business that wants propaganda pushed, you wouldn't allow that. You would, I don't think you would allow that. That's too over the top. It's too stupid. And it's way out of line.

Yeah. It's too over. I mean, I suppose the only, like that would be a contract that they would have to go into fully aware that not only might he say something incredibly wrong, but even counterproductive towards the ends that you are paying him for. He could go into business for himself. Yeah, exactly. He could go rogue.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time, at the same time, you know, it'll be a net gain for you. So why not spend the money? You know, that kind of thing. I honestly think that anybody who is interested in advancing a particular end would probably not work with Alex Jones. Right. I think that, I think that the idea of hiring him to push propaganda is not in your best

interest for two reasons. One is exactly what you're describing. The idea that he could just go way off script. It could be. Instantly. It could either be embarrassingly over the top like this. Yeah. It were this to be paid, brokered programming.

Right. Right. Or he could just, you know, not really achieve your end result by what he's because of his own picadillos. Right. Right. Right. The second reason is if you approach him and he's not interested in it, he will turn

you into his next villain. Right. He's unreliable in that way. And if you don't buy him for life as soon as he's free of whatever agreement you have, he now has information that could bury you. Right. And he, there's no indication that he wouldn't do that. He seems like, he seems like someone it would be very dangerous to try and buy off on the

off chance that he has principles or he sees a bigger payday out of flipping the script on you. Right. Right. Right. I think the Koch brothers would be smarter than to do that is a much better option. I'm not saying that they would not be smarter to do that. I am going to say, however, that billionaires are almost uniformly stupid, stupid people.

So, well, strategy, toss that, toss that one in there, if you will. I don't know. I don't think that we have many examples of, you know, billionaires paying off folks who then immediately turn on them. I think, do you think it's just, you just, I think you don't, John Burt society, right? It could just be that he's trapped in the mythology of the John Burt society that his dad raised him on. So before he even looked into the Koch brothers, like the first thing that popped up was he's

like, Koch, I remember Fred Koch. And then he just slobbers all over their nobbers, if you will. Maybe. I think that Alex is pretty into all of the political things that the Koch brothers support. Right. Evil. I think he's pretty into all that stuff. Right.

But he doesn't want to open up the door that opens into like, oh my God, they have a Byzantine maze of foundations that they use to fund all this stuff and they're super politically active and give almost exclusively to GOP candidates. I don't think he wants to open that door because it too closely mirrors the things he screams about the globalists doing. Right, right, right. So he can't really do that. So what he does is he pretends that they're not political and his support of them is just

like based on this, they're a business people who are in the energy industry and everybody demonizes them for that. And in that way, he kind of diffuses criticisms of the Koch brothers that people might have in his listeners minds. So when they hear criticism of the Koch brothers, they're able to just toss them aside as like, oh, this is just, they ate them just because they're in the energy sector. Right. I think it serves that goal.

I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's strictly related to the KBS, but so you're saying it could possibly be that when he did his cursory glance into them, he realized that they were behaving exactly as the globalists that don't exist, that he says are evil. They behave exactly like that. So if he were to talk about the real globalists who happen to agree with literally everything he believes in, that's the problem. Then he would be opening himself up for the globalists on the right, whereas he needs to run distraction.

It over complicates the narrative for him. I don't think you'd be able to neatly spin all the yarns that he does. We're there to be the idea of people who behave exactly like the demons that he yells about who have exactly the same social and political goals that he does. It becomes a plate spinning act that's too difficult. No, that's impossible. So I could see him doing this of his own accord, like without anybody paying him. Yeah, I agree.

Because it does still serve his interests, like his show's interests, his worldview's interests. So that explanation suffices for me, but it's, it's messy. It's complicated. Like I don't, and there's literally no way without me seeing Alex's finances for me to tell you what. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would just be rank speculation.

I'm not, I'm not super interested in creating a conspiracy of him being coke funded. Yeah. Yeah. Although it's a possibility. I just, I just don't know. I would say if anything, if any funds are involved, I would say it's more of a retainer. Like they just, they just give them some money and it's like, don't fuck with us too hard. Get on out of here.

A little allowance. You do whatever you do. Just leave us out of it for the most part. So in this next clip, Alex is talking about like the, like how everybody wants to arrest the Koch brothers. Yes. And how like, all right, I'll allow you to do that. But first, I'll tell you what, if we're going to arrest rich people just cause they're rich,

let's start with the Queen of England, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, Ted Turner, Bill Gates, all of them. And then after you've arrested all of them, we can arrest the Koch brothers. If it's just, if you've got like the Soviet dream of, you know, our outfit and storming the Bastille, you know, you're a Jacob and so you don't know what that is. You should actually find out before you fantasize about a t-shirt simple for you. Isn't it? You sell a bunch of t-shirts that are really simple.

Yeah. Um, the, I, I get what you're saying of like, go ahead and arrest them all, but take them down. I'm fine with it. But the interesting thing is for me with Alex's angle on it is the chronology. It's like, go ahead, arrest all my political enemies and then you can have these guys. Yeah. You know, almost as if you arrest all of Alex's political enemies, the day of arresting the

people on the right, it's not going to come. It might not come. It might not come. They might change their mind at that point and say, well, we got them all. Exactly. Oh, we were wrong about this. No, we should arrest the Koch brothers. Iceland just held a funeral for a glacier that was absolutely murdered by the Koch brothers.

That's it. It's very, it's very confusing to me. I don't know what to make of all this and it's isolated. It is just on this episode is the only time I've heard this kind of talk. And I do think it's def, uh, defensive a little bit, but about his worldview, you know, like I don't, I don't, I don't know what to draw into it. I don't know why this is happening now. Yeah.

In 2013, I don't know why it's happening that like this isn't, obviously isn't the first time, um, that the accusations have been made about getting Koch money. Right. This isn't like, I don't know what's precipitating this. I don't know why he feels the need to respond to it. Yeah. I know he did deep research. He's a thin skinned loser, little titty baby is why he feels the need to respond to it.

If that's the case, then you would have expected him to be going on about this a lot. Yeah. I don't know. It's, it's, it's a, he does feel extra defensive. He feels extra defensive. Yeah, almost as though people are saying that he's paid by them so much that he's defensive about them saying that he needs their money. So he doesn't need them.

Well at the same time, he's defensive because he may be or knows that he might want or may get in the future money from them. And so he is defending them as if to say, look, I'm not getting paid by them, but even if I was there still fighting the good fight, I think, I think the more I think, the more I think about it, the less inclined I am to believe that he is getting money from them. Yeah. Like I don't think that this sort of a display is the act of someone who's actually getting money from it.

Right. Now this is not somebody confident in his, uh, yeah, it doesn't feel that way. It also doesn't really feel like an overture to them to get money. I, I, I just, I just feel like it's defensive. Yeah. No, I agree. So anyway, we jump off the Koch brothers narrative, which isn't really a narrative. It's just a weird blip.

I wonder if it's going to come back. I have no idea. It's very confusing to me because the next day after this has nothing to do with Koch brothers and is weird in its own way. He's, he's captain pollution. He only, he only supports the Koch brothers when the five polluting families get together and get rings and bring him into existence. Perhaps.

Um, but before we get to the next day, Alex has an interview with the one, the only Joel Scowzen. Oh, the Scowzen scowlin. He, uh, of course is a guy who wrote a book about where to bug out the strategic relocations that Alex is selling on his, uh, his site. It's a good book. Also apparently Joel Scowzen recently survived a plane crash and that is big, that is big stuff.

All right. All right. Joel Scowzen tells the story of it and it sounds a lot like, uh, he's the guy from Invincible. Uh, I think it's, I mean, it's crazy. He did survive a plane crash. It's not like, yeah, it's not made up for real, but like it's, I was waiting for him to be like, and John F. Kennedy, Jr. was right next to me and I parachuted away.

One of the reasons that I'm pretty sure that this is a real thing that he did survive this plane crash is that Alex is trying to sell subscriptions to his website by offering to have people watch Joel Scowzen's plane crash. God, I hate this place. All right, my friends, coming up for the balance of the hour, Joel Scowzen, who's a frequent guest here, an editor of World's Affairs Brief, uh, he, a couple days before he was on with us a week and a half ago, he survived an incredible plane crash that we have video of for TV viewers watching on PrismPlanet.tv.

So I want to challenge, uh, all of you who are not members of PrismPlanet.tv to become members of PrismPlanet today, uh, so you can actually see the video and all the things that we're covering here on the broadcast. You want to, you want to watch Joel Scowzen's plane crash sign up today? Oh man. That's a weird sales pitch. That's pretty strange. This is just when you pine for early 2000s Conan and imagine that instead of playing

the clip of the plane crash, he'd play the Walker, Texas Ranger clip right there. Just a brief moment of pure levity. Just a little Rick rolling. It's never going to happen. No. Um, so I don't, I don't know. I don't know why they have that video. I don't know why Alex is using it to push his, uh, traffic to the website.

But do you see it? I didn't. I don't want to watch that even, even if it is, uh, real and not horrifying. I still don't want to watch a plane crash. I don't know. It doesn't, uh, it does not charm me. Okay. So Joel Scowzen comes in and he has some pretty bad takes and here's one of them.

Well, no, sure, sure. I mean, let's expand on this. It's not that we dislike people for whatever they're doing. I mean, we're all, you know, do things that, you know, in God's system, God sees as bad is the issue is they're forcing it on kids. They are trying to end the family and they're trying to, to, to sexualize children everywhere. I should point out that this is a, uh, uh, in response to a caller who is, uh,

talked about how like Alex had Rosa Corey, who hates agenda 21 on the show. And the caller was saying like, I really appreciate that she's fighting agenda 21, but she's a lesbian. Oh, that is a great take. That is a great take. So this caller was like, uh, tried to get into the gay agenda. That's, that's a great take on it. Yeah.

And so that's what Alex's response is. And that's Alex's response is not good. No, no, no, Joel's might be worse. Okay. And it, it is very evil. So I guess that's a question for Joel Scowzen. I mean, that is part of the plan is to destroy the family. Joel Scowzen.

It is. And they're using the doctrine of rights to say, you know, this is just not right that we cannot exercise the right to be married. But right, it is a misunderstanding of the doctrine of rights. Uh, right. I have the perfect right to go ahead in private and have whatever relationships they want. They don't have the right to force other people to accept that.

However, right. That's what we lost in the civil rights movement. We lost the right of private discrimination and it's a fundamental right. If you don't have the right to disassociate, then you've really lost a major fundamental right. Why don't you discriminate private? Like, can you allow that exact same argument is equally applicable to like interracial marriage?

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that is a wildly crazy thing. That, that take crashed and burned. If you will, Dan, there's video of it on our website. It never got off the ground. If you know what I'm saying. What a stupid fucking asshole. We're losing the right to discriminate. Cool.

That was the problem with those whole civil rights. You know, I feel like you still have every right to discriminate all you want. But state structures maybe shouldn't have the right to discriminate arbitrarily. Ah, but what if I work in one of those state structures? Then you could discriminate in your private life. Aha. But what if I wanted to do it all the time? Well, you're at the job.

So no, right. No. Well, what if I won an election? Well, you're right. I mean, you have every right to be naked in private, right? But you don't have that right at the office. Your argument is making more sense. So what I'm going to do now is instead say, what about the gays or whatever?

I should be able to discriminate naked at the office. Yeah. Cool. So in this next clip, Joel Scousen, it turns out he is pretty concerned with demographics back in 2013. Surprise. He was on that tip probably before a lot of these, these folks started yelling about it at a pretty constant publicly.

You know, and we're, we're losing the battle of, of eugenics, basically, because other more socialist economies are out producing us. The American white Christian family is not producing as many children as they should, and we should be having more children. We should be keeping them out of the public schools. We've got to start more homeschooling or using private schools to raise up a generation that can withstand what's coming. Well, look at the New Southern Prairie Law Center report that actually says

being white is inherently bad. I mean, I mean, Ben, they're really, I mean, it's almost meant to make whites become racial. I mean, it's like soap only saying white men are bad period. Well, we're certainly leading the point. We're going to be a minority someday. And you watch, we won't have the same minority rights that pushing for Latinos and other minority groups right now.

So the argument against giving, you know, equal protection and rights across the board is, is somehow being bolstered by the idea of we won't have that when we're a minority, which is gross. I, that's crazy. When I was at Zaini's, the headliner for the last week, we had a conversation where he literally said just that. Yeah. He was like, they're not going to treat us the same way that, or no, no,

he said it the reverse though. He said they're going to treat us as bad as we treated them when they were minorities. I mean, that's a translation of essentially what he's, uh, the exact same thing he's describing. And that sort of fear is, is a fucked up way to live your life. No shit. Uh, because maybe no, that's kind of the whole point is everybody does better

when nobody's getting fucked over. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, on our last episode, we, uh, saw these indications that Alex is bringing actors into a lot of narratives. And I had a feeling that we're getting close to Alex, going full in the Sandy Hawk, uh, hook crisis actors territory. Right.

So here on this 25th, uh, March 25th episode, Alex brings up Sandy Hook and he does say that it's definitely staged, but it's a little muddy. What his point is. Okay. And they're going to ban our guns. They're coming. They're going to stage more Sandy Hooks. These folks, let me tell you, they staged all these things.

I've looked at them now. I mean, they are a bunch of murderers. When you see those pro gun confiscation people on TV, a lot of them lick them their lips going, you know, too bad Harry reads kids aren't, you know, grandkids aren't dead and all this. And let's show the dead kids and all this. You're looking at some monsters. Let me tell you a lot of them are in on the fact.

Okay. They know full well. This is about, they're not trying to get your guns. They really care about kids. These are monster authoritarian scum. Okay. Anybody wants your guns, they want to dominate you and your family. And you know it.

So the reason that message is muddy is that he's saying this is all staged, but at the same time he's calling them murderers. It does seem like he's saying they killed, they actually killed kids. It does seem that way. But the, the issue with the muddiness of the message is that the audience, how are they going to hear that? What is the message they're going to be taking away from that? And if I'm critically looking at these episodes and going through them, and

I'm not exactly sure what point he's trying to make, you've got to assume that people who are in, they're inundated with the conspiracy culture that's going on at this time, they've got to be even more unsure. Like if you want to believe that they're actors, then you could hear that clip. It's definitely staged. They stage all this stuff and that reinforces your belief. If you believe that the globalists did it and killed people when he says they're all murderers, that can, you can hear it that way.

Right. If you believe that they're all actors, when he says they're all murderers, you could just think that that's an, additionally, these are murderers. Yeah. It doesn't necessarily, it fits whichever version of the conspiracy you want it to fit. Yeah. I would say that's why the word unsure caught me off guard there for a second.

I don't think they are unsure about what he's saying at all. I think they don't care. I think whatever he's saying right here is perfect because it reinforces whatever they already thought. Right. They don't need to think about like, Oh, does he mean this or does he mean that? They assume he means what they wanted to him. There's a lot of utility across audience.

Yeah. And I don't, I think that might be a feature. Like I think that might be, uh, Oh, for sure. Consciously or unconsciously, he's behaving in such a way as to not alienate, uh, people who believe X and people who believe Y. Right. Which is a good strategy. It's a feature, not a bug.

It seems like it. Good strategy. So we're done with the 25th and we jumped to the 26th. And so like when I, when I listened to the 25th and I heard all that Coke brothers stuff, I was like, this is weird. What is going on with this? And I was, I was hoping that the 26th would give me some sort of a clue about that. But unfortunately, that he hit the eject button on that plane.

Um, he survived the crash, something happened. Yeah. Um, and it's, it takes over pretty much the entire show on the 26th. And again, it's another thing I could never have predicted. Ladies and gentlemen, something snapped in me last night when I saw a video that came out a few days ago, but only got attention in the news yesterday by the somewhat washed up, uh, Canadian, uh, anti individualist, Jim Carrey. Why I saw a video of him celebrating Charlton Heston's death.

And defaming him, defaming a dead man who I personally had a chance to interview several times and who I had a chance to talk to off air once. And I've never told that story because that's was private. I will talk a little bit about it today. Over the chance to talk to Ted Nugent this morning under the gene stuff. Pretty serious who you could tell was very upset because he was very close friends with Charlton Heston. Sure.

When you see people that are clearly authoritarians dancing on Patriots graves, it's disgusting. I would say that, uh, saying that Charlton Heston was good friends with Ted Nugent is defaming a dead man, but that's speaking ill of a dead man. If you see Patriots dancing on authoritarian graves, right, that's just good patriotism. Right. I mean, hypocrisy isn't a relevant complaint to make about Alex Jones as we've

discussed a hundred times. Like there's no use. I, I know I was just, yeah, I, I know that it doesn't like, uh, you know, you try to demonstrate how little anything means that Alex says by pointing out a one thing someone else is doing, uh, he complains about it, uh, the worst thing out of the world. It's exactly the same thing that he does all the time. It doesn't matter.

Oftentimes in the same or consecutive sentences. Yeah. Thus I don't, I expect this to mean anything, but I should tell you that I've seen at least two episodes of Alex's show that were largely dedicated to laughing about and celebrating the deaths of his enemies, uh, namely David Rockefeller and some big New Brzezinski. Right. The only thing I think that is all interesting at all about this case is

that Alex did that. Those shows on the day those men died. This episode that we're listening to is from March 26th, 2013. And it seems relevant that Charlton Heston died on April 5th, 2008, almost five years prior. Right. It's still fresh in the mind. Sure.

Ted Nugent was crying this morning. Sure. After Jim Carrey said whatever it was Jim Carrey said. Also funny point, uh, in 2015, when, uh, Jim Carrey was going against vaccines, Alex was all about it. Yeah, yeah, Jim Carrey's onto something. Yeah. So what has Alex and Ted Nugent so worked up is that Jim Carrey put out a

parody song on Funny or Die called Cold Dead Hand. The video is basically just making fun of people who are obsessed with guns. And Charlton Heston's a pretty good example of that sort of person from history and Jim Carrey does a Charlton Heston impression. So yeah, it all fits. It's easy. It's not really making fun of his death, which again happened five years prior. It's really more making fun of the expression.

You can take my gun from my cold dead hand, which is itself, uh, a reference to Heston's 2000 NRA convention speech. And they're making fun of it by saying that Heston couldn't get into heaven because the angels couldn't get the gun out of his cold dead hand. All right. So Carrey made a video that got them all but heard about their guns. So they decided to pick the cheapest, lamest, loseriest angle on it, which is that you're defaming a dead hero.

Exactly. God, these people are sad. And like, if I'm being honest, uh, if the video was Jim Carrey being running around being like, Charlton Heston's dead and fuck that guy, then I'd probably at least concede that it was a pretty bizarre decision from a strategy and messaging standpoint. Yeah. As it is, this is just a possibly clunky attempt at social commentary and parody.

Whether or not it's effective or made its point as a question, I'm going to leave alone, but all we're going to see here is Alex and Ted Nugent be the most sensitive gun weirdos on the fucking planet. This is pathetic. Yeah. Also Jim Carrey's backing band in that parody video. You know who it was? Mighty, mighty boss tones.

The eels. Ah, what? Yeah. Why were the eels? I don't know. I don't want to know. The man named E. I don't want to know.

I don't want to know, Dan. So in this next clip, we're going to see Alex is taking this very personally, that that parody video. Jim Carrey is such a bad actor, but making a few funny faces that they're so weak and Hollywood so weak and the globalists really are weak. And so what does it say about us that we let them dominate us and we let them control us and we let them sit there and walk all over somebody? Let me tell you something.

I've got stacks of interview requests in there every day and I can't physically do them. Okay, I am 39 years old and have a lot of stamina, ladies and gentlemen, and I'd torture sometimes do the nightly news. I'm so angry at the tyrants. I roll up and do it. I was up here till like 7 30 last night shooting a special reports. We're going to air this week.

My shoulder was aching and from an old football injury and I had a headache and I hadn't eaten and I still just willed it and I'm not saying I'm tough. 39 years old folks having to fight, having to fight to get the info out and feeling guilty every night when I drive home that I haven't done enough to defend my family and I'm weak and I'm dominated by scum and that's exactly how children have been felt almost 80 years old. Ladies and gentlemen, so he's on the brink of tears screaming about this. Can I paraphrase that because I was listening to that very clearly and let

me try and kind of get some analysis. Sure. Um, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where. Oh, your, your English class is really paying off very critical deconstruction. Very good. Yeah, this is, uh, you'd be surprised how, how applicable that analysis is to just about, look, madam Bovery sucked anyways, keep going, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, this is crazy.

I mean, like, I, you know, I understand why Alex is taking this personally because it's really the only way to approach this because it's parody. It's a, it's a satire kind of thing. Um, and if you admit, like, I don't like people poking fun at my positions. Yeah. You look super weak. So you've got to attack as like, the Charlton Heston was such a hero and how dare they grace?

Yeah. Uh, somebody would, uh, a gold star family, they would in, so what monster would insult a, so Alex spends almost this entire show complaining about Jim Carrey's parody video. That can't be true. It is. How old? And it fucks him up so much that he starts reciting the lyrics to that song

Hurt. Really? Yeah. What? Yep. And just what have we become my sweetest friend? I assume the Johnny Cash. Everything and everyone I love goes away in the end and then I've got a

sit there and I've got to watch this piece of garbage squat on top of the grave of Charlton Heston and all of us. They hate him because he was real. He was honorable and he got tears in his eyes when he talked about liberty. And he quoted Thomas Jefferson talking about the farmers, the people of the earth, the people that live and work. You can't really live and work in the soil and build your own system and not be pro-gun. Just as your pro-liberty, just as your pro-common sense, we must rediscover common sense,

the spirit of common sense. We must pray for redemption. We must seek God's face and repent. We're going to come back with a desecration of Charlton Heston. Okay. That actually sounds like something I would listen to. The desecration of Charlton. That's not a bad horror movie.

It's a good Eels album. So I don't know what Thomas Jefferson quote about farmers, Alex is referring to. You, I believe I recall it correctly. You can't put a seed in the ground, watch it grow into something the size of an oak. All seeds grow guns. Without wanting to shoot the fuck out of an oak. If we have to go strictly based on his past history, I'm going to assume it's not a real quote. Alex does not give me much to work with here, but he does give me a little bit.

Because earlier in this episode, he said that, you know, he said that he had watched Charlton Heston's 2000 NRA speech the night before and it brought him to tears. So I kind of got to assume it's something from there. Yeah. And he's saying that the globalists hate Charlton Heston because he quoted Jefferson talking about the farmers. Right. That it makes sense that the two would be connected.

Right. So I decided to check in and watch that speech. In the speech, Heston says that the warning smoke is always, quote, smelled first by the farmers who come from their simple homes to find the fire and fight. That sounds like it could have been something that Thomas Jefferson might have said. None of the language seems completely anachronistic. The sentiment doesn't totally conflict with all recorded scholarship of Jefferson. So like maybe that being said, this is not a Thomas Jefferson quote.

And that will become obvious when I read you Heston's full sentence. Quote, the air, the smoke in the air of our Concord bridges and Pearl Harbors is always smelled first by the farmers who come from their simple homes to find the fire and fight. Thomas Jefferson died. I think there's some anachronistic things in that. There might be. Thomas Jefferson died in 1826. A good 115 years before Pearl Harbor was attacked.

Dan, how dare you desecrate the grave of Thomas Jefferson? He knew. But that's clearly the speech that Alex was talking about. Yeah. He said they hate him because he quotes Thomas Jefferson about the farmers. Right. That's the way he's referencing farmers in that speech. And that is not a quote from Thomas Jefferson.

So I was curious. So he started digging around the Monticello website which houses all the collected writings of Thomas Jefferson to see what I could find about his feelings about farming. As it turns out, he was a pretty. Farming sucks. He was actually a passionate enthusiast about farming. But that's not the whole story. In a November 3rd, 1807 entry from John Quincy Adams diary, he tells the story of going to a

dinner party that he had attended. There was a usual dissertation upon wines, not very edifying. Mr. Jefferson said that he had always been extremely fond of agriculture but knew nothing about it. Yeah. This seems to be a really good description of Jefferson's relationship with farming. He was into it, but he knew nothing about it and he wasn't going to bother to learn. He wrote a letter to William Branch Giles on April 27th, 1795 saying, quote,

If you visit me as a farmer, it must be as a con disciple, for I am but a learner. An eager one indeed, but yet desperate, being too old to learn a new craft. I'm not referencing this quote at all to shit on Jefferson. Honestly, I kind of relate to it. I'm becoming much more interested in plants and apartment farming these days, but I too feel too old to learn much about the art. Much like Jefferson, I'm eager to learn by doing. Also, it's interesting to note that when you look at Jefferson's views on farming,

you start to see some beliefs that Alex might describe as communist. In a letter to John Doherty from June 27th, 1810, he said, quote, I think it's the duty of farmers who are wealthier than others to give those less so, the benefit of any improvements they can introduce, gratis. I assume Alex just ignores that one, choosing instead to constantly repeat fake Jefferson quotes to serve his dumb gun weirdo agenda. I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson would have been super into an electoral property rights now. Patton writes, I'm sure that he would have been totally into it.

Maybe he would have been, but that's not entirely possible. That's not incompatible with the idea of like, if you're a super rich farmer, you have an obligation to help out the less fortunate farmers. That seems, well, I mean, specifically what he's saying is a, you know, if you've built a, if you've created a new irrigation technique, then you should share it with a less successful farmer. Probably, probably it's unclear exactly from the text, but I think that's a fair reading of it.

Your English classes have paid off. It also, like there is a trend in his comments about farming, that 10 towards like, you should just run a small farm. Like it doesn't, it doesn't seem like he's super into the idea of like a massive agricultural conglomerates, let's say, which Alex is. So in this next clip, Ted Nugent comes on and Alex and Ted are physically connected to history. This is very weird. We understand that Alex believes in race memory and thinks that he is literally his ancestors.

He talks a bit about that. And I know we've talked about it in the past, but I think it's worthwhile to hear this sort of rambling explanation of it. Because I think, I think there's something you really got to think about based on his understanding of this. And that's when I called Ted Nugent. He's like, Alex, you can feel it, can't you? He goes, you know, we're connected to history and honor and the truth.

He goes, you can feel it, can't you? Exactly. It's electricity. Because you think you're not connected to your great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather or grandmother. They raised a person, your ancestor, and that person grew in their womb and was conceived out of that love and that passion in that hot bed with the genetics mixing. And then you grew in that woman's uterus.

And then you came out in the world and people took care of you and loved you and taught you and set you up on the path and had to worry about you when you went off the war and had to worry about you, but sets you out there. It is hand to hand a pure chain of electricity, a total connection. You can reach back if you're related to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. Or if you were, and most of you have no idea who you're related to. There's amazing history. Everybody has an amazing history.

You are reaching back into tens of thousands of people that you're related to. And all of their experiences and everything they've done, there is a literal, not just spiritual or psychic connection. There is a physical transmission and it's directly an electrochemical mitochondrial DNA carried by the women. Okay. So if Alex believes that he's literally connected to his ancestors in the way that he describes, and he believes all this shit, shouldn't he absolutely be in favor of reparations?

Shouldn't he be totally empathetic towards people whose grandparents or great grandparents were enslaved seeing as they're literally their ancestors? Like, is this a hole in his entire worldview? Hold on real quick. White people. Right. There we go. Right.

There we go. Now I fixed it. Yes, yeah. Sorry, dad. This is what of Alex's nonsensical and esoteric beliefs that he uses to pretend that he's exactly the same as the founding fathers of this country. But if you take a step back, take a closer look at this, you also see that something is super revealing about his white identity beliefs.

This idea that you are your ancestors is literally never applied to a non-white person. And it seems the way he applies it to all of this. Like it only has to do with his connection to fucking Jefferson or whatever. Yeah. Like it has or the founding, Tench Cox. Yep. All these founding fathers. Like it has, if you apply this universally, it forces you into a very empathy filled position.

And because he doesn't, it makes me believe that he doesn't apply it universally. No. It's just some self-aggrandizing bullshit that he uses to give some sort of a otherworldly credibility to his positions. Yeah. It's bullshit. It's almost paradoxically solipsistic in that it makes him the center of the universe while at the same time admitting that he's also millions of people.

You know? Like it's a very fascinating kind of lunatic thing to believe. Yeah. I mean, it is just an expression of that white shit and then also his narcissism. Like it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting to think about that, to think about how minimizing he is about the history of horrible, horrible things in this country that have happened to non-white populations, let's say.

And how if he believed the things he believes, all of those things happen to the people who are alive today. Yeah. He can't make the argument that like slavery was hundreds of years ago. It all is happening now. Well. The trail of tears is happening now. But he doesn't believe that he, that he did those things.

But he did. Yeah, but he doesn't. Based on his worldview, he did do those things. Yeah, but neither did Thomas Jefferson. It was all those other white dudes. I know, Dan. It's frustrating. What are you doing?

And what's even more amazing is that I think he's basically going off that thought experiment, or not thought experiment, but, but because every woman is born with all the eggs that she'll ever have, there is an ending chain from every woman back and back and back and back forever until. I think it has more to do. The mitochondrial eat. Yeah, it's mitochondrial DNA. Right, right, right.

But he's somehow throwing the men in there as being like, we're also the ones that have the infinite chain backwards as though it's like, no dude, no, because after, after this, after he says that it's the women, he says, he does go on to ramble a bit about how like they're finding things about men too. So it'd be like, whatever. I don't really care about the scientific nonsense. Right. No, no, no.

He's just turning this into a chauvinistic example of, of that as well. Sure. It's amazing. Yep. It is amazing. He has a trans-mogrifying into misogyny machine. It's, it's, it's weird. It's weird.

I would love to ask him about that. I'd love to, there are very few questions I'd like to ask Alex. I don't think he would like to talk to you about it. No, I don't think he'd like to talk to me about anything. But there are very few things I would really actually like to ask him about. And this race memory stuff, does it, is it a superpower that only white people have? Right. Is it my first question that I would ask him?

Good question. Because if the answer is yes, then he believes in white supremacy. If the answer is no, it opens up so many other questions about, well, why don't you care about the ancestral memory and experience of people that are unlike you? Right. I don't know why. That would be my question. I swear to you, I don't know why, but my instinct based on all the amount of time we've

spent listening to him is that his answer to that question would be white people and a few Asians. Like somehow he'd throw in a few Asians and you'd be like, why would that, that doesn't even, that wouldn't, that's unnecessary. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex talks about how Ted Nugent's great because he's, he agrees to come on Alex's show, whereas a lot of big stars out there have told him that they, like we love you. We love your great.

Yeah. But they can't come on the show. Like Christopher Walken, unless he's, unless he's forced at gunpoint by the Bells. Well, he's hanging out with Richard Bells or cooking. Yep. There's a lot of big stars out there who would come on Alex's show. They would. The globalists are threatening him.

I've talked to major rock stars. And I'm not talking about Billy Corrigan or folks like Dave Mustaine who are on record, but I've talked to other major rock stars. In fact, people that are even currently, you could say bigger. And they're like, I can't come on your show. They're giving me too much heat just for Lincoln to your website or talking about you. And I've been told that I'm not going to be booked in the venues or put back on television if I do this.

So I want to go play the major venues. And they tell people that, you know, they come to them and they tell them. They tell famous country music singers that they tell major rock stars that they tell Hollywood stars that they told Tom Selleck that you're not going to get rolls. Paul, you're a major leading man. Number one in the eighties. You're done. You're not going to get financing.

You're not going to get promoted. You're going to get zero if you don't play ball. And then you've got people like Bruckheimer and folks that are totally committed to the New World Order. Steven Spielsburg, others. And quit naming names. It's just to be cautious. And I don't like being a slave of a propaganda.

So if I had to guess these major stars Alex is talking about, like even if he even talked to any of them, I'm going to bet that they were trying to politely decline his invitation to come on the show. If I've learned one thing about Alex and my time going over his work, it's that he's a super sensitive dude. If you're a big star in Utah, Alex, you don't want to go on his show because he's toxic and crazy. The next thing you know, Alex finds a white paper saying you're a globalist bent on depopulation.

He's a paranoid asshole. So the absolute best way to get out of a conversation with him is to tell him that the man won't let them come on your show. Sorry, man. I'd love to. You're the best, but I'm going to lose my career. Or possibly I could imagine a situation where someone in a moment of candor told Alex that they can't come on his show because it would be bad for their career.

And Alex read into that, that the globalists are threatening them. Or again, it's a very real possibility that Alex is just making this up. Right. It's entirely possible. There are fucking lunatic rock stars and the shit though. True. Like if you, if you scratch, if you scratch too long there, you might find a lot of your favorite bands are filled with lunatics.

I think a lot of the crazy ones have already been on his show though. Right. That's fair. A lot, a number of them have gone on. That's fair. I think that even some crazy ones recognize what's good and bad for the brand and going on Alex's show and buddying around with him isn't really a career booster. No, no, no.

It's a toxic thing to get connected to the Eurythmics. We're all going to go on the show. It's true. Yeah. It doesn't matter if they're big stars in the 80s. So not for nothing. The two examples that Alex uses of evil globalists in Hollywood are two of the most prominent Jewish men in the film industry.

Jerry Brachheimer was born in 1943 and his parents were Jewish immigrants from Germany. So you can draw whatever conclusion from that you like. He was a Nazi collaborator. That's the only conclusion I can draw. Steven Spielberg was raised Orthodox and one of the major movies he directed was Schindler's List. I understand because he loves nevermind. I understand that these are big Hollywood guys, but it's hard not to hear this as a sign of something that dwell, like it dwells down in Alex's subconscious.

There are other names he could pick. There are other big names non-Jewish people in Hollywood with far more left-wing politics that's been Spielberg and Brachheimer. I don't know. I don't think that this necessarily constitutes anything really damning, but it just doesn't sit well with me. Like when he has to pull out names of the ones who are working with the NWO, the globalists in Hollywood, the two biggest Jewish men in Hollywood are the names he comes up with.

And the name of somebody who's willing to fight back against them, but was also told otherwise is the mustachioed hero himself, Tom Selleck, star of such films as not the Indiana Jones movies, the moron. Alex gets too complaining about China and how authoritarian they are and awful they are, which at least he's got consistency there. Like he's complaining about them in 2013, still complaining about them. I'm glad history is rhyming. So Alex complains about them a little bit and it's pretty extreme and you'll see.

You'll see what goes on here. I saw one report where a Western journalist saw the police beat a guy up and chop his gentiles off in front of everyone and everybody watched him bleed to death there on the side of the street. I mean, you know, that's what the globalists want us to live like. That's their plan. Ted Nugent's coming up. Don't forget to support the broadcast, support our sponsors.

We've got the probe here, water filters 10% off. Best stainless steel filters blow the competition away. Info or store.com shop with the Patriots. Look at that ad pivot. Wow. Western journalist got some footage of someone getting their dick cut off and just left in the street. That's how the globalists want us to live.

Ted Nugent's coming up. We got water filters. These water filters will cut the dick off their competitors prices. I mean, it's pretty, that's a pretty evolved developed. Alex Jones ad here in 2013. That was a solid one. There's not, there's not yelling, but it does have the extremeness that we come to see in the present of.

So really emotionally evocative imagery and negative, horrible thing. Smoothly pivots in. We got water filters on sale. It hasn't metastasized into if you don't buy this shit, you're going to die every moment of every fucking day. It has the same feel though. It does. It has the same thesis.

Indeed. So Ted Nugent comes in and they complain a lot about Jim Carrey. So the first hour of the show is mostly Alex talking about Jim Carrey being an asshole for making fun of Charlton Heston. The second hour of the show is Alex and Ted Nugent talking about, oh, they're an asshole that Charlton Heston. So it's two hours of old white men whining. So also Ted Nugent wants you to know that there are a lot of people who talk shit about him

and people who disagree with him. What about the people who thinks that he's a, they're all fucked up. Okay, sure. I would love to get Pelosi and Boxer and Feinstein and Michael Moore and Jim Carrey and Bill Marr and Pierce Morgan. I'd like them to get on film and admit how much dope have you spoken? How many mind, I'm not alleging they have allegedly they talk and conduct themselves like cesspools of mind-altering drugs.

And I bet you if you've got everybody that hates Ted Nugent, Alex Jones and the NRA and Freedom in America, if you've got all of them to take them cruise serum and look in the camera and admit how much mind-altering substance abuse they've subjected themselves to for how long, no one would be surprised that they are Timothy Leary run amuck. This isn't great to hear on a libertarian program. I don't understand what his point is. All of his critics are on drugs. The one thing Ted Nugent has going for him that is like an unassailable positive.

He's straight edge? Yeah. He's never done drugs. Fuck off. I hate him even more now. On this episode, he does this whatever age he is. He's a, I'm 64 years clean and sober. Like, yeah, that's it.

It doesn't drink. It doesn't do drugs. Lame. Yeah. So, I mean, that's, that's like sort of his stock in trade. That's what he's got. I'm a clean guy. While he's, while he's creepily writing songs about children.

Yeah. Yeah. He's like, well, I don't do any drugs. I'm this creepy on purpose. Yeah. I am completely sober when I wrote, I am a predator. Yeah. Oh man.

Maybe he should do some fucking drugs. Right. Because when you're sober, you write songs like Wango Tango. I don't know. Oh, what a piece of shit. I think, yeah, I think, I don't, I don't think it's a virtue to not have drank or done drugs, but he does. And he uses that as a way to attack his enemies.

And I guess I can't say anything because I have a smoke and dope in the past. You have smoke and dope. Yeah. Absolutely. So I guess my opinion on him is invalid. I have, I have also smoked a lot of dope in my time. Well, you can't talk shit on Ted Nooch at that. I guess, I guess the fact that I have not morally, nevermind.

Right. I mean, he's applying morality to drug use, or at least like if you have used drugs, you're not a credible person. Right. Which I don't think lines up with libertarian ideas. Probably not. Well, I guess it could. Like some sort of really weird version of libertarianism where it's like,

I think you're invalid in your arguments if you do drugs, but I think you absolutely should be able to. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that is possible, but that seems fucked up. That's just too much work. It seems weird. That's just too much work to believe all that.

I'm going to buck convention and still criticize Ted Nugent, even though I've done drugs. I like it. I like it. And part of the reason is he says shit like this. And think of Todd Baldwin as he bled to death. He took his giant, ugly RPG rocket right in the guts. And he bled to death fighting for freedom and going after terrorists

who attack Americans because of their voodoo a la puke Muslim insanity. And if that's not worth inspiring you to join the NRA, to communicate with your elected officials and do your duty as we the people, then I don't think there's any hope for you. And you're probably out of just moved to Canada. That's gross. That's so gross that Alex gets a call later in the show from someone who was like, that made me sick.

Yeah. Like hearing him talk about this soldier getting an RPG to the gut. That was disgusting. And then Alex's take on it is to respond like, yeah, you know, he's not hip about how the globalists use the, the terrorists in order to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, which it was responding to the wrong complaint. Right.

No real criticism or pushback from the Muslim a la puke shit, which is disgusting. Yeah. No one seems offended by that. That just flies on Alex's show and from Ted Nugent. I didn't even catch at first. I didn't catch the a la part. I thought it was a la puke chicken. So I was like, yes.

So I was like, why are you adding puke on top of that? I guess that's interesting. And then it turned out to be even more racist. Of course. I really enjoy listening to a Ted Nugent say shit that is purely and utterly unconnected to his reality with such moral authority. Sure. Like all of the shit that he says and does is fucking nonsense.

Shit talk that he won't and can't back up in any meaningful way. And you can hear in that clip even that it's all in service of trying to get people to sign up for the NRA. Exactly. He's even promoting multiple times during this interview. Hey, the best thing you can do is buy a subscription to the NRA. And you know what? You've got people in your life.

Buy them subscriptions to the NRA. He's doing an ad pivot. 100%. It's fucked up. It's a large portion of what they're trying to use this. The Charlton Heston desecration as a way to get people sales. Yeah. Absolutely.

Absolutely. So Ted Nugent, we're not going to listen to a ton of his interview because it's largely just bullshit. So it's really funny. Once it's over, Alex gets really mad at his audience and he calls them pathetic. This is a weird way to turn your audience. Is he clinically projecting? And yeah, maybe a little bit. Most of you don't fight this tyranny because you're cowards.

And it is so pathetic. Well, it's not nice. It is so absolutely completely pathetic at so many levels. You're allowing the evil to take over. That's the danger. You should be afraid of acting like a sheep bringing in the wolves, your wolf bait. But instead, you think it will protect you groveling under the dark wings. Like coyotes.

Of the New World Order. It will not do that. And you have a responsibility to speak out against this. But you're afraid of what your neighbors think, much less the government coming after you. I mean, I can't believe how people care what others think or someone laughing at someone who you don't know. I mean, if I know somebody and they're trying to do something to me, I take it personal and then don't like it.

But if I don't know somebody, you're laughing at me? I mean, if I slip and fall at a grocery store or something, everybody's pointing and laughing. I'm not embarrassed. I get up and make a joke. And I just don't understand the unconfident patheticness that the spirit of patheticness that has absolutely taken everything over. There is an amazing irony that Alex is yelling about people caring about people laughing at them. After spending two hours of Charlton Heston.

You spent two hours complaining about a fucking parody video on Funny or Die. That's hilarious. You all are pathetic because you care what people think about you. Man. Fuck you. That is the most projecting that you can possibly do. Yeah. Like, oh, oh, yeah.

When people laugh at somebody that they don't know, it's like, just wash that shit off. Just brush it off your shoulder. Why are you being mean to Charlton Heston? He quotes Thomas Jefferson about farmers and they hate it so much. And he's a hero. And I hate the eels. Yeah. Jesus.

Yeah. That's ridiculous. That exists on the same show. Same show. It's crazy. So Alex goes to take some calls. And I think I know what that means. And I think you will know what that means in the middle of this clip.

But there's two things that it means. One, learn. The other thing, it means that it's time for callers to say completely crazy shit. And then one last thing, these huge armored vehicles, they have a serious weakness that they're windows. If everybody has paintball guns and wrist rockets to shoot paint, that makes them like a turtle you tipped over. Where'd you do that research?

I just looked at them and looked for their weaknesses. And they don't have a lot of weaknesses with small arms fire. But their windows, if they can't see, they can't drive. And paintball guns are inexpensive. So Alex is eating lunch. That was what I was teasing there. Alex is fucking eating lunch. Does not care.

All right, caller, tell us about how we should fight tanks with paintball guns. Where'd you do that research? Nom, nom, nom, nom. Yeah. Let's see which is good. He's eating. So he doesn't really mind his caller advocating fighting tanks with paintballs. So what you're saying is the way we defeat tanks, why are we defeating tanks?

Anyways, I'll take my answer off there. I mean, I would assume if you're at the point where you're shooting at tanks, they're probably going to shoot back at you. Yeah. Paintball, even if it's maybe not a live round. I think you're probably. No, they'll just get paintballed and then be like, ah, we lost. We lost the war.

Generally speaking, too, if you're in a situation where you're shooting on a tank, it's just a tank. There's no one else with the tank. Okay. All right. You know, so the windows getting covered with paint is going to be like, well, then the tank can't see. Right.

I think that this, first of all, this caller's done the shit. Yeah. Second, Alex is hungry and that's why he takes calls. Yeah. I think I'm starting to. It's only when he's hungry. I think I'm starting to realize he always says he's going to go to calls and that never does, but only does when he's like, I gotta eat.

I'm hungry. I'm so hungry. I need some time off Mike. So I'll let call and say stupid shit while I chew. God, I want to, I wish he would just eat far more audible. I want him to eat chips on Mike while he's taking calls. I want it. I want it so bad.

I want to hear a satisfying, like the life's very fragile. You're an ASMR guy. Oh, I love it. So, uh, Alex, uh, you know, he's called his audience pathetic because they won't fight against tyranny. Sure. Sure. And Alex has a new plan of how he's going to fight back against tyranny.

And he explains it in this next clip. I mean, this is a war, ladies and gentlemen, and it takes strategy, uh, and it also just takes brute force and mass. And I'm going to launch a million bumper sticker operation. I'm figuring out if I have the money that looks like it'll cost something like a hundred thousand dollars and then put them in the magazines. People can buy them at cost in bulk. I meant to charge a, I say it cost, I have to charge a little bit more because the cost,

a million bumper stickers up around the country. I mean, that's just an example of devastating the enemy to create that solidarity, that awareness. So like this million bumper sticker operation, that like 30 second clip is so telling because two things are very clear in it. One of them is that Alex's only strategies in terms, in terms of a battle, they seem to also have heavy overlap with promotional, uh, possibility. Yeah, it is. It is interesting.

The million bumper stickers going out there is a amazing way for him to get the audience to do his advertising for him. Of course. So there's that. That, and it's pretty universal in terms of almost every, uh, call to action that he throws out to his audience. Go ahead, put our videos everywhere, post them to your social media. You got to make sure people are aware it out.

Right. You just got to wake people up and then everything will be fine. It's remarkable that every single thing seems to have Alex's bottom line firmly in place. Like that's why when that Google whistleblower came on in 2019, like we're not going to link to your medium, we're going to show the info wars article for it. It's the information isn't as important as the conduit that Alex is promoting. Of course. So this million bumper sticker operation is first and foremost advertising.

That is key to understand. The second thing is he's like, I'm doing this to fight tyranny. It's going to cost me a bunch of money to put these in the magazines, which I'm going to sell to you at cost. Well, actually I'm going to have to charge a little more because of the bumper sticker. Well, yeah. So he's passing the cost of it on to you. No, I mean, there's a little bit of extra.

I'm going to charge you more in order for me to sacrifice this bumper sticker operation that is really just advertising for my website. Right. This is how this works. It costs me 30 seconds is so revealing. It costs me $1 to make this lemonade and I charge you $2 for it. Now this time I'm only going to charge you $1 for it. I am going to add ice though, which is $3 extra.

Now think about the savings dad. That doesn't even include the amount of advertising that he's getting from that. Like you can't even factor that into your lemonade analogy. 01:24:29,380 --> 01:24:30,020 Right. Like it's crazy. Like whatever, whatever cost that you would need to pay in order to get a million in the wild instances of like his website being put up on stop signs or whatever would be

prohibitive. That would cost so much. But if you masqueraded as a, like we're going to bring the community together with this, like you're able to get people to do it for free. It's very sneaky. Also, I think we can learn from that clip that daddy was a little hangry. Now that he's had something to eat, he is far less, you guys are pathetic. You're all weak.

You're all doing nothing. You're so powerful if you advertise for me. He had Snickers. All right. You guys come on. He's a living Snickers commercial. He really kind of is, isn't he? So on the 26th year, we get to Alex, bring it up Sandy Hook.

And we get to see a little bit more of what his thoughts are. And there's a very good chance that Sandy Hook has some staging provocaturing. There's no doubt on Aurora. It is just no doubt that is a mind control operation out in the open. That is a mind control operation out in the open. And it is just off the charts, disgusting. So one of the things that's illustrated there is again, you're not sure what argument he's making.

There's provocaturing. There's staging. What does that mean? What specifically are you saying? If you believe there are actors, do you hear exactly what you want from that? If you believe the globalist set up a patsy, you hear what you want from that. It's becoming much, it's very muddy. I'm not saying he was ever super specific about what he believed,

except for in that one instance from months back when a caller was talking about actors. And he said that this is disgraceful. You shouldn't say that about a grieving parent. Absolutely. That's the time that it's been most concrete. But now there's such a muddiness to it that it makes me very uncomfortable. Because I can't really nail down what he means. Provocaturing could mean a whole list of things.

Staging could be a ton of different things. But what I can say definitively is that it's very consistent that Alex can't talk about Sandy Hook without the crutch of Aurora. He needs that as some sort of solid ground for him to stand on while he points to Sandy Hook, which isn't good because his arguments about Aurora are terrible. But he's established them as pieces of his rhetoric. So he uses that as his waypoint to get to where he needs to go. If we didn't know that the conclusion eventually is going to be

him saying that it's fake, this would be very confusing. Yeah. But since we know that, it does seem like he's using that as a way to get where he's inevitably going to go. Right. It does. I just don't know why that makes any sense, though. Like, why is it currently he's being somewhat restrained on Sandy Hook,

but going confidently and whole hog and saying whatever bullshitty he wants to about Aurora? Like, it doesn't make sense to me, even like with the past context, but that kind of ascribes a certain intention to this. And I don't know if he is doing it on purpose to set us up for the big reveal that all of Sandy Hook was fake. That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. I think that there's probably a couple of elements of it.

Because I think on a human level, when Alex was talking to that caller about how horrible it is, the idea of treating a grieving father that way or like insinuating that their child didn't die is a monstrous thing. He's a parent. Like, he knows what that would feel like. Yeah, of course. Like, I think on a human level, he does understand that and doesn't want to drift into this territory without some sort of a reason or a backup to do it.

Yeah. At the same time, he recognizes that it's a very marketable space. Right. There's a lot of interest in that in the community, the conspiracy community. So obviously, in terms of like raising profits, being more interesting, being on the cutting edge of that community, that's a place he wants to be in, but knows that entering it is monstrous. Yeah. You can rationalize away the Aurora shooting, not being as monstrous to attack in this way.

Because it was people. It was adults. It wasn't a school shoot. It wasn't children. That's one piece of it. And then the second piece of it is, there are a ton of things about the Aurora shooting that are fucked up in terms of things that cause suspicion and dyeing his hair. He was a grad student in ways that you can misinterpret to make suspicious.

There are a ton of things that are like footholds for him about that, that make it very easy to spin. And it doesn't seem as monstrous as doing that about the murder of children. Right. So I think he can. Because there are so many what abouts with the Aurora, you know, nobody is going to have an argument and then have an answer for every single thing on immediately. And he can get there easier.

Yeah. Like the emotional distance is much less immediately monstrous. Right. So I think he can do that there and solidify that as a talking point, as a piece of his worldview and narratives. And then he can use that to rationalize the Sandy Hook stuff. So you're saying that this is almost an internal struggle with him? I would, I don't know.

I don't know. I mean, you'd have to, he's the only one who would know. Right, right, right, of course. I could see it being that. And I don't know how much of that is me just needing a narrative myself. Yeah. You know, how much, how much I, I desire this to make sense. Right, right, right.

I don't know. It's entirely possible this is meaningless nonsense and it just happens. Totally. Yeah. It could be completely subconscious. He may not have any awareness of it. Or I mean, there's a possibility that it is a crass financial consideration. And then like they've realized that it's a super popular conspiracy.

This is where we got to go. But if we just say it's fake, then we're going to lose a lot of people who recognize that that's monstrous to, to say, right? We're going to alienate consumers if we just jump into it. So let's find a way to do it that alleviates that concern. I think that's less likely, but it's possible. Yeah. Or it could just be like blindly fumbling around.

Like he could just be feeling it out. Yeah, that one sounds like it makes the most sense about everything is chaos. Yeah. I don't think that you get to the point Alex is at by blindly just going wherever the wind takes you. Right. I don't think that you're able to make a million dollar millions of dollar operation like he has just coincidentally by being able to scream really well.

Right. I don't think that that's possible. There's some intention that goes behind the content that he puts out. What exactly that intention is, is very difficult to nail down. Yeah. So we'll see about that. I don't know. And I think my feeling on it is very similar to where we were last time,

but I still feel like there's evolution happening. Yeah. So in this next clip, we get a call. And I keep this call in its entirety, which I rarely do, because I think it illuminates something very a rare glimpse on Alex's show. This is a call that Alex gets from someone who wrote an article that was used as a source in Infowars reported. And this caller believes that Alex and Infowars misused his information.

I think the caller's right. I would say so, considering he wrote the original article. And so Alex's take on this is really interesting because first of all, we know he's very sensitive. He can't handle criticism. Right. And also this is very threatening. Right. Oh, absolutely.

So this is about two minutes long or so. A primary source calling him? That's the most terrifying thing he can think of. Yeah. So this, this is kept in its entirety. And I think we should listen to it because I think it's an interesting journey through Alex's defensiveness, sensitivity, and inability to handle or respond directly to criticisms. When criticism is made, he must deflect and turn that criticism into something different.

Must create a straw man. Let's talk to Glenn in Tennessee. You're on the air listing on GCN live.com. Go ahead. Look at that. Hey, Alex. How are you? I'm good.

Thanks for holding. Welcome. And a pleasure to be here. And I wanted to thank you. You have indeed woken a lot of people up. But I called today because I have a bit of a bone to pick with Infowars on an article that I wrote last year that they used as one of their chief references even half. I know you have quoted it on the show.

And Glenn, I mean, what's the name of the article? Let me just get a pin here. In memorandum, Andrew Wordes. You remember Andrew, the chicken man they called him. Yes. Yes, the guy they basically killed. Well, they did indeed. And my point was the banality of evil in this country and the internal enemy is more dangerous

than the external is bad as a gender. But what did I do wrong? I sent reporters there to cover it and I said it was wrong. They killed him. You did. What else can I do, man? I can't even keep track of what my own crew is doing half the time. It's not like I'm all seeing, man.

I, you know, I'll answer you if you'll allow me. Go ahead. It's the the reporters you sent turned it into an agenda 21 story when it really wasn't. If you listen to his friends and family, it was the banality of evil of local bureaucrats doing this. I agree. And agenda 21 empowers them with a more scientifically designed template to manifest the evil. Yes, they do.

But that was my point. I tried writing Ethan Huffman to make the correction and never got a response. And that was, that was. Ethan Huff doesn't, doesn't write for us. So we, we linked to somebody's stuff. God bless you, sir. You know what? I am a piece of garbage.

You're right. I'm a piece of filth. So Alex is super defensive and sensitive there at the end. Turns it into like all I think of is that Lucille Bluth that I am a terrible mother. That defensiveness to try and like, like facetiously deflect criticism. And it's like, that's not, like whatever this guy is saying, it's kind of a nuanced point he's trying to make about his reporting that was misused. He doesn't even substantially seem to disagree with Alex on.

He said you've woken up a lot of people right off the bat. Sure. And he doesn't agree, disagree with him about like, well, this was a story about a guy who got killed by the state. Right. But you just misrepresented the way in which I reported the story and clearly this guy has talked to the family members of the guy, the chicken man we talked about long time ago. Yeah. Yeah.

So Alex has to respond to that as if it's some sort of an attack on his character. I didn't do it. Oh, sorry. I am garbage. Yeah. Like that's, that's a, that's a real vulnerable, scared, insecure, sensitive dude. Yeah. Well, that's very sad.

That clip is absolutely the reason where anytime, anytime somebody's like, Oh, what would you ask Alex Jones or do you, would you talk to Alex Jones? It's like, there's no point. That guy didn't even say anything. He didn't even like, He didn't even get the chance to make his full point before Alex was like, Well, I can't be perfect. Fuck you.

I can't do anything. You're the worst. Oh, no, I'm the worst now. I'm a trash boy. Yeah. Well, okay. Fine. Then goodbye.

Right. Go away. You're never going to get any headway. He's very defensive. He's very sensitive. Any mild criticism is treated as the, like a deadly attack. Yeah. The slightest criticism of Charlton Heston causes a two hour crying binge

with Ted fucking Nugent. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. So Alex is like, because he spent two hours with this Charlton Heston Jim Carrey nonsense. Right. He hasn't done any covering of the news really.

No, he has not. So he got a nice little snack in them. He did. And he's like, Well, we got a lot of callers and I got to get to the news. So I think I'm going to overdrive. Oh, no. So he goes into overdrive.

He takes one call and then he's like, Yeah, fuck this. Just hands off the show to a guy named Richard Reeves. Okay. Who is a shill for young Jevity. Oh, they just do a 20 minute infomercial about getting on the info wars team, which is the multi-level marketing scam. Right.

For young Jevity products. It is crazy. It's just this Richard guy interviewing a guy who is a distributor. There's a top level distributor. He's like, you know, you know, what's great about this is the product sells itself. All you got to do is get this Clemson study, show it to people. And it's like, well, whatever claims I could make are nothing compared to this study. And you know what?

Hey, real estate, it's a great investment. But wow, man, it's disgraceful. He's a con man of the highest caliber. Yeah. Any of the lowest, you know, levels. So anyway, they have this infomercial and I'm going to play this one clip of it because I think it demonstrates like how bad everyone else is at this and why they need Alex. Why Alex is such an important piece of this.

Like people buck back against me whenever I'm like, Alex has a definitive talent. There is a talent that he has. Whether that talent is being used for evil is a whole different question. Right. Of course he is. Yes. But he has a talent. And all you need to understand that is listen to this fucking 35 seconds.

A little bit about Tom before we intro Tom is he's got his own radio show. He's had the longest running radio show on the home business side of the home business network side of the of the business. Tom Chinalt has had the longest running home based business show. I'm sorry. I got a little bit nervous there. But anyway, Tom has had a long running show based about home business and he covers it like no other.

I've heard a show many times on GCN live.com. That's not good. Wow. That does not inspire confidence in me to be tricked by your scam. Alex would never fumble like that. That's painful. That was like that's too much of a parody of somebody failing like that. He repeated it four times.

He's got it wrong. Individually three different times. And then at the end he says I've used this stuff. I listen to the show all the time. He's amazing at it. Yeah. That's the sort of thing that if it's in a sitcom, Alex comes out of nowhere and tackles him.

Yeah. He sees the sales numbers spiking downward just like no get him out of there. Yeah. Rob do you tackle him. I'm eating walks in later with the sandwich. Anyways buy some shit. Yeah. The cool casual.

Not even casual but the collected intensity that Alex has when he is doing these sales pitches and like trying to convince you that your family needs these products and how great an idea it is for you to start your own cottage business of infowars team. Shit like and how apocalyptic it is for you not to write. It's so different than this. And this is bad. That's bad. Yeah.

I would never fall for his scams but I could see someone falling for Alex's. Yeah. I could not see someone falling for this. It's bad. Yeah. Anyway I don't know that guy sucks. He's terrible at this and that's the rest of the show. It's weird.

I don't like I don't think there's a ton here like in this episode of like actual content from Alex's shows because one day he spends a lot of the time rambling about the Koch brothers and I got nothing on that. I don't know. I want to trust me. I want to come to you and say like he's talking about the Koch brothers and I've dug into it and I could tell you for sure Alex is on the payroll. Right.

I want to be able to do that but that would be dishonest and stupid. All I can say is he's acting fucking weird and if you're super defending the Koch brothers and that's fucked up. So that's one day and then the next day he's just screaming about fucking Jim Carrey for most of it. Yeah. Talking to Ted Nugent about how Charlton Heston is a great dude. Sometimes you go deaf in one ear.

You tune into some of Alex's shows and he confuses the shit out of you. That'll happen. And that's kind of where I'm at. That's a day. I don't know what he's doing. I want to tell you I know but I don't know what he's doing. That is that is the central quest of this show isn't it. Trying to make sense of the nonsensical.

There is no body of work that will ever adequately explain what the fuck is he doing. Yeah. Let's do it. So anyway we'll be back for another episode soon. Indeed we will Dan. In the meantime would you like to visit a website. I would. There's this great website.

Hold on. Okay. It's in the home business section. No it's in the business home section. Of the Yellow Pages Knowledge Fight.com. Have you ever been there. Yeah. It's good.

I watch that show all the time. Or also on Twitter. We are. It's at go to bed Jordan and at knowledge underscore fight. Yes. And we're on Facebook. We are. And if you wanted to download the podcast you could go to iTunes.

You could go to the home business section. You could read a review. You could write a review. You could go to the home business section of course. You can also go to your local Home Depot. In their gardening equipment. You will see those little what are they called. The little shovels.

What are they called. Trowel. Trowels. Knowledge Fight comes with every trial purchased. Okay. I thought you were going to say that if you survive a plane crash. Let Joel Scousen. No.

Then you get an episode. I only do a couple of plane crash riffs an episode. It's best to keep that to a minimum. Until next time. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I am the Jesus lizard. Andy in Kansas.

You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a person caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.