Knowledge Fight - #339: March 29-April 1, 2013

Episode Date: September 4, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan stick around in the past to continue their investigation into what Alex was up to in 2013. In this installment, they find Alex thinking that Kim Jong Un is specifically trying to bomb him, and inviting Steve Pieczenik to come back on the show and double down on his theory that no one died at Sandy Hook.

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Like sit around. Dick nappity beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Andy we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Have you ever been, have you ever had a choking scare? Have you ever over six fixated?

Yeah. Oh a number of times. Oh yeah. Yeah yeah. I'm not a great chewer. Or not. If you were putting together an American Olympic chewing team, you would not come to Dan. Not coming to you.

No. One that sticks out the most to me was when I was like, I don't know, let's call it 1213. I was at a pool in Columbia, Missouri and I was there with some buddies and I got a hot dog and took a bite. I love the idea that you drowned at a pool with a hot dog. Not in the water. Not in the water. Not in the water friend.

I took a bite of the hot dog. Didn't chew all that well. Swallowed and I could feel like just the oh no. Oh no. Oh no. Like full on couldn't breathe. Had that moment of panic. Absolutely.

Oh shit. That's terrifying. I was like looking around and like my friends were laughing at me and I was just like, this is the last image that I'm going to have in my head. I'm supposed to be at the pool having fun. I choke on a fucking hot dog while my friends laugh at me. This is terrible. Yeah.

That's a bad way to go. I threw myself against something. I don't remember what it was. Maybe I think it was a wall or a chair. Yeah. Memories are a little bit vague due to lack of oxygen. Right. Right.

I ended up getting it out myself. Like I ended up like no one gave me the Heimlich or anything. People are useless. It's terrifying. People are useless. Yeah. And then not too long ago I was eating a sandwich. I was in my apartment.

And what time is it? Was this a couple hours ago? This was within the last year. I had a very similar moment of like, oh no. I should have chewed more. And I had this, this like weird feeling of like, all right. I do a podcast about Alex Jones being a liar. I'm going to choke on this sandwich and everyone's going to make a conspiracy out of it.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, 100%. As, as I'm sitting there like not able to breathe, I'm thinking to myself like about, oh God, everyone's going to get this one. That's right. No matter what, we are destined to die in a conspiracy theory. Yeah.

I was, I was worried about that. But I ended up dislodging that myself as well. And I survived to this day on choked. Jesus. Now I need to get you a roommate because I swear to God. I had a roommate at the time. Yeah. I'll be exactly.

No, there's no way. No one's going to find your body and there's no way for to be to get in here. No. That'll be terrible. Yeah. Oh well. All right. Well, 911.

Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones and apparently how to help myself from dying from association. The self-harm look is very important. And I only know what you tell me about both. Yes. So George, today we got a fun episode of Alex Jones to go over. I do not really particularly care right now about the present day. I may get back to it for Friday.

Yeah. I'm not entirely sure. I might do an episode about it then, but based on our Monday episode where we discovered the arrival of Steve Pachanic back in 2013, coming in hot, throwing Sandy Hook crisis actor talk all over the place. I realized like, I got to stick around here. I got to see what's going on. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm getting to the head. It really feels like it. Yeah. It feels like there's momentum and I have a real sincere interest in following that thread. Right. So today we're going to be going over March 29th to April 1st of 2013. And there's going to be some interesting developments which confuse me and frustrate me and also

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that says support the show. We would appreciate it. It would be very helpful. Very much so. So, Jordan, like I said, we're back in the past 2013. All right. Alex starts off the 29th in an interesting way. What we see here is Alex talking over the bumper music.

Like he's coming into the show and it does the, from FEMA occupied Region 9. Sure, sure, sure, sure. But you are part of the resistance. Here is Alex Jones. Yeah. And Alex talks over that. But I think he doesn't know his mic is on. And then he pretends that his mic, he knows.

He pretends that he's aware of it and he's doing it on. You'll see. My life's like a Batman movie. Good brother. Mainstream media. Cover up. Cover up. I'm on air.

You want answers? Well, so does he. I did that on purpose. All right. My life's like a Batman movie. My mic's on. I did that on purpose. All right.

Alex. So what that's about is that he was driving into work that day and a piece of plastic came off of a truck and apparently blocked his windshield for a while. And that puts him in an incredibly fucked up mood for the day. He's thrilled to be alive. He could have died out on the highway. Yeah. No, that's, that's legitimately terrifying.

It is. And very much like a Batman movie. It's not that much like a Batman. There are similarities. Batman has a car. That's true. There we go. So Alex has an interesting narrative that he's pitching on this, this day.

And I think that it's one of the things that he's trying to. I bet that this is something that's been incredibly consistent throughout his career, but it feels very like it's prominent right now in this stretch. And that is that everybody who's important loves him. Yes. World leaders are interested in what Alex is doing. Of course. Putin listens every day.

And rogue world leaders are concerned about that. Terrified of him. So here is Alex talking about that a little bit in a way that is crazy. He is seen in the state run videos and photos commanding where he wants the missiles to head. This is about Kim Jong-un. Yeah. I actually already assumed that.

I don't know. We've been doing this too long. Well, also because on our last episode of 2013, Alex was talking some mad shit on Kim Jong-un. Right. So now there's pictures of Kim Jong-un that have come out that Alex is responding to. And I just had this weird thought when I was talking about, you know, we make fun of him a lot and it's viral and people see it all over the world that he's probably watching

the show. You, you will die someday, you little coward. Just like your degenerate father and his degenerate mass murdering father. Okay. You little piece of trash. And, and of course, the way in Austin, such a military target. I got a gut feeling that, that, that, that the little, little turd watches this show. And that's good.

So Kim, he's in, he's, he's at, he's startlingly narcissistic. Unbelievable. That is insane. So Alex thinks that Kim Jong-un listens to his show. And because Alex has been yelling about how Un is a demon, Kim Jong-un has made plans to bomb Austin to shut Alex up. That's the only thing that makes sense. That is legitimately what Alex is suggesting.

Right. So the leader of North Korea is going to bomb a United States city solely to get rid of Alex Jones, which will almost immediately end his country's existence. But he has to shut up Alex. Alex is too much of a risk. No, the North Korea would be on fire right now. Alex believes in freedom. Kim Jong-un is against freedom.

Therefore, Kim Jong-un must destroy that. If they did that legitimately, the entire half of the country would be on fire. Jesus. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. Alex is placing himself, his radio show of those two entities on elevated pedestal of being geopolitically relevant as a target. I can't believe someone would listen to his show and not be concerned about his well-being

after saying something like that. Right. Or this guy is so full of shit, he's fucking around. Right. That kind of a thing being expressed by someone, you'd just be like, either you're crazy or this is completely unreliable bullshit. Right. So Alex is responding to a post on NK News, North Korea News, with the headline, quote,

North Korean photo reveals US mainland strike plan. I've read this article and I have to say that from the blurriness of the photo that's included, I don't even think it's a fair assessment to say that Austin is even one of the targets. There is a line on the map, supposedly a missile path, which appears to end in Central Texas. But the problem is it's unclear if the path itself stops there, or if that's just where the picture of the US map is blocked by one of the North Korean soldiers hats. It's a problem. Because of this unclear image, even the NK News article said, quote, a composite overlay

appears to show San Diego, Washington, D.C., Hawaii, and possibly Austin as being primary targets in a North Korean attack plan. They had to make a composite overlay where they superimposed the map over the soldier's hat and then guessed where that line ended. His hat also covered the entire southeastern United States. That line could have ended anywhere. But it's probably Austin because Alex has been talking shit about Kim Jong-un. It's second theory.

That was as much of a map as they could afford. They couldn't afford the Eastern half of the United States. So they had the hat there to be like, oh, they'll never guess that we just can't afford one half of the hat. They'll make a composite and make assumptions. They're using a Mercator projection, I believe. Alex is operating on thin information here. The other thing that's important to point out is that this image was not information

that North Korea released to the world to threaten people. It was published in NK News after they found an image in Rodong, the newspaper of the Korea Workers' Party. The folks at NK News believe that this is indicative that the message was intended for an internal North Korean audience, not the world. John Swenson writes, senior lecturer in East Asian international relations at the University of Cambridge said to NK News, quote, it seems reasonable to suppose that the target map is designed for home consumption and to create an impression of war readiness

for the DPRK citizens that is part of a wider policy of strengthening national resolve. This was a piece of propaganda meant for an internal audience, for a dictator to both scare and reassure his people. It's so wild to me how Alex can take something like that, give it a half a seconds look, and decide that the real story here is about himself. Yeah, I think he's right. Sure. There's no evidence that Austin was even one of their targets, but Alex sees that shit

and his immediate angle is Kim Jong Un must listen to the show. This is deeply troubling because the only two explanations I can see are outrageous levels of narcissism to the point where he actually believes that Un listens to his show and is gunning for him, or an almost unbelievable level of comfort knowing he can say something that stupid and his audience will just believe it. Yeah. It's nuts. Just ignore it.

To me, so much of this has to be like water off a duck's back for so many of his listeners where it's almost like they stroke out unless something applies directly to them in the same way that Alex can't pay attention to anything without applying it directly to himself. He says all this narcissistic shit and his listeners are like, okay, all right, back. He's yelling about something else. But I think it still has some sort of a residual effect, even if it rolls off them. Right. Because you still take it in as information, even if you're like, well, whatever the case

is, it elevates Alex to a status of like super important geopolitically. Oh, of course. So your experience of listening to him, even if you don't take that in and fully internalize it as like something important, it still gives the appearance that like, wow, I mean, dictators want to take Alex out. Right, right, right. The things that he's saying are super relevant. Okay.

All cult leaders have to amplify the threat to them specifically. Yeah. As large a thing as possible. Yeah. Yeah. And it's almost better and more effective if it is that sort of thing where it's easy to just sort of like let it roll off you. Yeah.

Yeah. Because then you don't sit and think about it too long and realize Kim Jong-un doesn't listen to your goddamn show. It's fucking stupid. Yeah. You're crazy. I don't know. So Alex has another headline that he wants to get into.

And this is another thing that I believe is indicative of Alex's pattern of saying that everybody in various situations are actors. This is a trend that's going running counter to Alex's Sandy Hook path. And this is the path where we've seen him say that some people in the Aurora shooting were actors, the G20 person who was arrested was an actor. Right. And now we have another example. An American terrorist in Syria was working for CIA, says father.

Well, I saw the videos the guy put out going, I'm former Marine, but now I fight for al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda is good. And I said, that's clearly an actor, a bad actor. And I said, they may do a fake arrest of him. I'm not even smart, folks. I'm not a playbook. So I agree. He's not very smart.

So we have another guy who's an actor. Yeah. And Alex is mine. So who he's talking about is a guy named Eric Haroon, who is an American citizen who was arrested in a very complicated situation back in 2013. There's a version that Alex is putting forth, which is that he was an American soldier who decided to start saying al-Qaeda was great, most likely because he's a paid actor. And then the government had to stage an arrest to cover things up or something.

Obviously, the globalist paid him to pretend to support al-Qaeda because he's part of a larger PSYOP to make you think that white people can do bad things like terrorism, which Alex would tell you is impossible. That's the only explanation I can think of. It makes as much sense as Kim Jong-un listening to Alex's show. Well, we're two for two, then. Beyond that just kind of being a dumb conception, his version of this story is painfully oversimplified. Haroon had been in the army, but had some bad behavioral issues when he was enlisted.

According to The New Yorker, a fellow soldier who served with him said that he was, quote, about a week away from receiving a full-blown dishonorable discharge, which was averted when he was a passenger in a drunk driving crash, which led to him suffering from a skull fracture. He got a medical waiver and an honorable discharge, thus ending his formal fighting career in the U.S. services. In the years that followed, The New Yorker paints a picture of a really fucked-up guy discussing his stalking an ex-girlfriend, which ultimately led to him shooting himself in the abdomen when she wouldn't take him back. The article also says he was arrested twice for DUI and just had a real troubled path

that led to him going overseas and staying in hostels and meeting people and getting interested in freedom fighting. In all the interviews I've read, including a pretty in-depth piece in foreign policy, it's abundantly clear that Eric Haroon was not an Al-Qaeda sympathizer. He was a committed anti-Zionist who joined up with rebels in Syria because he wanted to help overthrow Assad. And in the process, he allegedly accidentally got mixed up with Jabhat al-Nusra. He had joined up with a separate group that was ostensibly aligned with the United States, but after a skirmish in the ensuing chaos, he got a ride in an al-Nusra truck away from the fighting, and he ended up embedded with them for about 25 days, which you could kind of believe is a mistake,

considering that Haroon didn't know Arabic. Due to his linguistic confusion, there's even some doubt that he was actually ever even with al-Nusra, as opposed to the possibility he was with a group like al-Nusra, and he just didn't know the difference. When his father says that he was working with the CIA, as Alex discusses, it most likely doesn't mean that he was in Syria because he was working with the CIA, but that he was negotiating with the CIA to be able to return to the United States. In the foreign policy article, Haroon describes the CIA when he's dealing with them about trying to not get charged with war crimes, trying to avoid that.

He describes the CIA as the bad cop to the FBI's good cop in their discussions that they're having. They're both good cop, Stan, in my opinion. It's a little more complicated, though, because according to that New Yorker piece, in 2008, Eric had reached out to the CIA about a recent trip he'd taken to Lebanon, and he'd received a reply from a guy named Wayne, who appeared to be operating a dummy email account. Wayne did appear to act as a bit of a handler, and was trying to get Eric to spy on a local mosque. But from all available information, it doesn't appear that that relationship continued, nor did it have anything to do with Eric's later adventurism in the Middle East.

It does seem like it explains why he would approach the CIA when he realized he'd gotten mixed up with a terrorist group, however, which is exactly what he did. It makes a lot of sense for him to think that he'd got good will built up from interacting with this Wayne guy and trying to help him get information on this mosque, and that if he just went in and was upfront about the situation, they wouldn't charge him with the war crimes that it appeared he may have been involved in. People are so fucking stupid, man. Never. Not in a million years. You go the fucking Harrison Ford route. You escape. You go on the run until you find the real killer.

Those are the rules. Do not turn yourself in. They are not your friend. They are trying to come after you. Whatever the case is about it, what motivated him, whatever the case is about whether or not he deserved to go to jail for his actions, those are issues I can't really settle for you or the world. What I can say is that there's no credible reason to believe that Eric Haroon is an actor. That's just a completely insane argument, but it fits very neatly with how Alex is beginning to incorporate actors in so many of his narratives. Eric Haroon died in April 2014 of a drug overdose, which I'm going to guess Alex would say is actually just a globalist hit to take him out since he played his part in the Grand Deception and he wasn't useful anymore.

It happened that way. In reality, Eric had struggled with addiction his whole life, going to rehab for heroin in 2011 and being hospitalized for an overdose about four months before his death. In December 2013 when he was found unresponsive on a bathroom floor. It's hard not to imagine that the six months of solitary confinement he was subjected to, which ended in September 2013, could have played a role in his relapse and eventual death. Do you mean something that the UN would describe as torture? Could play a role in a drug addict's death?

Which was the... Strange. Yeah. This is a tragic story of a complicated person who did some probably unwise things, possibly motivated by actually wanting to help oppressed people in Syria. Right. Possibly, but also motivated clearly by some vaguely anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist ideas. Right.

And just a desire and need for violence, apparently. So complicated. Yeah. Like the reality of this person's life and the fact that in the present day someone could just decide to do that and do it. Yeah, that is interesting. It's crazy. But...

And also the fact that he got... Not fact. It's entirely possible that he slapstick his way into the Taliban. You know, or Al Qaeda, that kind of thing where he's just like, Oh, this dude's offering me a ride. Cool. We're in a war zone. This guy seems nice.

He's offering you a ride. They're a nice guy. They're not trying to shoot at me. Get in there. Don't speak Arabian. And then... Oh, shit. Bummer.

Well, apparently when he was taken by this al-Nusra truck, alleged al-Nusra truck, he was kept as a prisoner for a while. Oh, okay. And then there was another battle that they needed extra help with. Right. And so they were like, Hey, come on. Come on. Get out of here.

Get a gun. Let's go. And through that gained their trust. Right. Right. Right. The point is that like this is a complicated fucking story that a lot of people have looked into and researched pretty well.

Yeah. And even their versions of it leaves some ambiguity about precise details about a lot of stuff. But one thing that is pretty clear from everything I've read, not an actor, and Alex would rather get rid of all that gray area that complicated reality by just writing him off as an actor. He's a fucking actor. They're just trying to dub to do and that's not, that's not good. That's a, that's a lame thing to do.

Yeah. He should, if he was, if it was the early forties, he would have, I don't know, I guess bought a bar in Syria named it Rick's. Sure. Don't it that way. I see that. I would watch that movie. Sure.

Now let me ask you if you'd watch this, what Alex has a big special report that he's bragging about on this episode. He would not. Already. Already out. He's trying to troll people. Okay. Because the title of it is Alex Jones endorses gun control.

Oh God, I'm already angry. Now of course, the right is too good at humor. Yeah. Of course, the point of it is I don't endorse gun control. I endorse gun control for the government. Yeah. The government's guns need to be taken away. Sure.

Fine. I'm fine with that. Sure. Here's a little clip. Oh boy. Did he just try and quote Thomas Jefferson again? He did. This is a, this is so much of a running joke now that I halfway think he's fucking with

everybody. I don't think. I don't know, man. He just doesn't know anything Thomas Jefferson said. Nope. And again, that's a reference to the quote, quote, the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. We've gone over this before, but again, it's essential to point out that this isn't even

a fake Thomas Jefferson quote. This is a fake George Washington quote that traces back to an editorial in a hunting magazine from 1926. It's essential to keep highlighting this, even if it is a running joke, because it shows how little Alex cares about the supposed history he claims to be an expert in. Absolutely. That's the whole thing about these founding fathers. No, he's just memorized a few fake quotes from Patriot message boards that he pulls

out whenever he needs to impress dollars. It's crazy. Yeah. Crazy. You can't, you can't be that wrong about Thomas Jefferson quotes. There's just so many he's wrong about. Yeah. In any format, it's on a documentary.

It's on his show. It's on his website quoting shit. How can you be wrong about Thomas Jefferson and so many different venues? It's very impressive. So on our last episode, we had the arrival of Steve Pachanik and Steve made the argument that no kids died at Sandy Hook. There wasn't even a shooter. It didn't happen.

It's all bullshit. Stevie P's coming in hot and Alex didn't push back on him about it and he actually sounded kind of excited about it. He didn't leave a really strong impression of disagreeing or necessarily even really agreeing. Right. But he didn't push back on that in the way that he has when people have said stuff like that in the past.

So on the 29th, I was a little surprised and also a little bit not surprised to hear this. Oh, I agree. And that's why they're running around buying all the weapons they can while saying we shouldn't have weapons that we murdered the children at Sandy Hook, which was a clear false flag. Yeah. If people say no children died, no, that they greased real kids. They like it. So.

Okay. So on the 29th, Alex has spoken to Steve Pachennick who has told him no one died there. Alex still believes the kids were killed there. And it does sound like he's referring specifically to Steve Pachennick when he says the people who say that no kids died there. Oh, they definitely is that is that a defense he can use in the lawsuit? I don't think so. Like his defense is like, Hey, no, no, no, you missed it.

I also said that a bunch of real kids were greased in the whole thing and they love it. Yeah. Yeah. See, I'm not the bad guy here. It does seem to be like one of his only reasons for holding out like belief that the, uh, the kids died is that like the globalist love killing kids, why wouldn't they do that? Why even bother hiring actors? You can kill real kids for free.

It does seem strange, but that's, that's interesting to me because Alex is not swayed. He is not. Right. He's had Steve Pachennick come in and pitch this. And I still think that is how it ends up going bad, right? But it's not immediate. Alex still isn't on board. He's on his show and the little voice you hear, they're going like, ah, that's Mike Adams.

He's talking to Mike Adams and he's still telling him like kids died there. Now at the same time, Alex has started to notice some of these inconsistencies about the story in Sandy Hook. Sure. And so he's starting to incorporate them more into his, his show. They would love more children to die in the schools because it would give people like Bloomberg more power. Well, they've run all these shootings.

We've caught them. Bloomberg was ready. It came out and they spun it. Well, of course he pleaded in two minutes after we were, I mean, oh yeah, yeah, probably getting texted by the shooter. Yeah, the job is done. Go ahead, you know, proceed. Well, even the cops even caught the guy in the shooter outfit and then said, no, that

never happened. Even though it's on video. And then we got the arrest level that got expunged. Hey, what do you think the next big false flag attack is going to be? I think it might kill 500 kids. I mean, I mean, it would be a radiological attack. Oh, I've been saying nuke. I think, I mean, that's their geared up nuke stuff.

Say the Patriots did it. So they're having a lot of fun workshop and predictions. Yeah. They're, what, what are we playing fantasy football on different, which would be crazy if they dropped a nuke. I've been saying that for a while. No, I'm going to go with a dirty bomb or radiological. Yeah, sure.

They seem to enjoy that conversation. They really are like having a good time. It's like some, like some people play, would you rather back and forth and they're like, how do you want to die? What would the globalist rather, I also think if you listen to that clip, what you hear is a couple of examples of some of the arguments that Alex uses later in defense of the crisis actors. No one died there.

I caught in the woods, Bloomberg seemed to have advanced knowledge. He has these narratives that he's putting forth, these pieces of information, these inconsistencies, which he will later blame on people like Wolfgang Helbig. Of course. Wolfgang Helbig is in no way mentioned. He hasn't been on the show. There has been no indication that Alex has any awareness of him or interaction with him. This appears to be things that Alex has learned of and he's reporting.

So these things that will be a part of the Sandy Hook, no one died there argument are there now, but he still doesn't believe that no one died. Yeah. Well, I mean, Bloomberg is texting Helbig to let him know all the secret conspiracy stuff going on. Right. Helbig texts Alex. It makes perfect sense.

It's like a phone tree. It's like a phone tree of conspiracy murder. Yeah. So this is the, that's it for the 29th. Him and Mike Adams just have like a, they are trying to be jokers and it's very sad. That's not good. Any time they try and, especially Mike Adams, when he tries comedy, it is heart breaking. It is rough.

It is really heart breaking. Absolutely. So the, this is a Friday. So there's no show on the 30th. Of course not. And then we come in on the 31st. And I don't know if you know this about March 31st, 2013. That was Easter.

I didn't know that. It was. It was Easter. Wait. Easter is in March. Sometimes can be. I did not know that. So March 31st is Easter.

The show opens the show like this little story here up on the side. I'm trying to find it. I had it. I had it printed out in front of me, Fox drama constitutionalist work for terrorist serial murders. Well, actually they are serial terrorist murders who are very impressed that they're constitutionalist because that's the dirtiest, nastiest thing on earth. You can be, it brings a big smile to the chief killer's face.

And so everything is now Southern Poverty Law Center ADL script brainwashing the poor hapless public. And I just hope to point out to people that a free society does not have this type of full metal jacketed tyranny being sprayed out by the globalist media. Okay. All right. So a free society doesn't include television programs like this. Right.

It seems like a weird argument to be made by an anti-censorship guy. No. A free society would make sure that these things would be censored and away from visual devices. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Sure. Nothing is more free than censoring my political enemy's speech.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So Easter is one of the biggest holidays in the Christian religion. And here we have Alex not taking the day off to be with his family or go to services. I don't say that to shame him. I just want to point out this is how he celebrates and recognizes the day when Christians worldwide somberly reflect on how Jesus died for their sins and opened up a possibility of a new way of living free from the bondage of sin.

Some people have Easter egg hunts for the neighborhood kids. Some people make a nice meal and commune with their loved ones and people like Alex get on a nationally syndicated radio program and complain about Fox drama shows. I think we recorded on Easter too, though, probably, but we don't pretend to be like extremist religious weirdos. Fair. The show that Alex is talking about here is the following. So at least it's an actual show that was on air, unlike other times he's complained

about pilots that never got picked up as if they're like, oh, this is so bad. I went and read the article on Info Wars about this from Curt Nimmo that Alex is reporting on and it starts out weak or actually, it starts out too strong, I would say. Oh, Nimmo's article or well, yeah, the article starts out way too strong, but it's also weak work. Quote, Fox, the entertainment network founded by Rupert Murdoch and Barry Diller is working with the federal government and the Southern Poverty Law Center in a concerted effort to demonize Americans identifying themselves as constitutionalists.

Wow. This is a devastatingly terrible lead paragraph and any decent writer would never write this and any website with an actual editor would never publish it. And here's why it's biting off way more than the article can chew. That paragraph is explicitly saying that this article will report that one, the SPLC is working with Fox. Two, the federal government is working with Fox. Three, these groups are specifically working with Fox on issues related to content.

And four, the work they're doing is specifically to demonize constitutionalists. Yes. Do you have any idea how much work that dumb, dumb Curt Nimmo is going to have to do to actually make this article match that lead paragraph? How dare you? The answer is put a period at the end of that paragraph and call it a day. Phone it in. I'm out.

Yep. Go to lunch. He's going to have to demonstrate actual coordination or involvement between the SPLC, federal government and Fox. But guess what? Even if he somehow manages to do that, he still has to prove that this work has anything to do with the following and the content in that show. There's literally no way that anyone at InfoWars has the journalism or research chops to pull

something like that off. It's just pathetic. All right. So there, I assume that Nimmo immediately filed a FOIA, he went immediate to FOIA. Let's get the government to put these documents together. We need emails between Fox producers, the producers of the show, the, I don't know. I guess it goes all the way to the top. Let's just go to the president.

We need it all. No, he didn't. He didn't. No, the article is mostly just a bunch of copy and paste snippets about the Mayak report and how AMC was trying to put a pilot of a comedy show on air called We Hate Paul Revere. They don't mention that it's, you know, just was never actually even a show. It's just all that standard bullshit. But the bigger issue here is that this isn't about the entire series.

It's just about one episode of the following. And this gripe that he has, the Curt Nimmo has, is fucking hilarious. Quote, in the above clip featured during InfoWars Night News on Thursday, two recruits are asked if they're ex-military. They respond by saying they were raised in a militia and are, quote, constitutional extremists. First, you got the name of their own show wrong. It's the InfoWars Nightly News and no editor caught that. Who fucking works there?

It's real sad. Does anyone work there? Second problem, that's it. Two characters mentioned that they were constitutional extremists and the response is to just lie and say that this is a gigantic SPLC federal government run plan to make people like Alex look bad. I don't think there's any other explanation. People are so sensitive. I don't think there's any other explanation, Dan.

It's so sad. It's a massive conspiracy because they felt bad for a little bit. These are the same people running around calling people snowflakes all the time for not putting up with racist and sexist bullying. These are the same people who are into the free exchange of ideas and free speech absolutists. And yet here, Alex is legitimately saying on his show that in a free society, a show like the following wouldn't exist because it makes his extremist buddies feel bad. Yeah, no.

The right wing is made up primarily of cowards and liars. This is crazy. And that's it. It's a profoundly bad take on Alex's part, but it's so revealing. He can't prove that the SPLC and federal government is responsible for this probably like 10 seconds in one episode of the following. So he has Kurt Nemo write a shitty article pretending to demonstrate that. Then Alex can get on his radio show and talk about how Infowars is reporting that the SPLC

is demonizing constitutionalists. It's a sick loop. Yeah. This is a loop of lies. Oh, no. It's a shittier version of the 24 hour Fox machine where the morning show has guest on and they say, Oh, I think that Obama's blood and then the evening news is like some people are saying that Obama's blood.

It's the same bullshit. It is. But it's so much more. It's more nefarious. Yeah. In some way. And all Alex, would that be is that libel? I don't think anyone would take the time to take that.

But I mean, it's not really, it's not really an insult or anything like that. Hmm. It's definitely like real bad journalism. No, no, no, it's really bad journalism and to make it even worse. This is so funny. And I'm probably only bringing this up because I had to read an actual Infowars article and like when you do, you find shit like this and it's so pathetic. Listen to this.

This is an actual paragraph from a real article that Infowars published quote Alex Jones told Infowars.com today that the violent patriot and constitutionalist narrative runs through numerous mainstream television shows. Jones said his wife reports witnessing repeated instances of constitutionalist portrayed as violent criminals engaged in terrorist activity on hospital and police dramas. The article. No, the article is taking Alex as a primary source where he's saying that his wife has no, no.

I don't have time to watch TV, but my wife tells me that constitutionalists really look bad all the time. So I'm just going to take that as truth. She reported it, Dan. Absolutely. Say it. Yeah. She did not anecdotally it.

It does say that she reported. She reported it. So if you're keeping score, Alex is on his radio show reporting on an article on Infowars dot com that's sloppy as hell and he is one of the primary experts that they consulted about what shows his wife watches. Yeah, yeah. This is so bad. That is, that is, that's amazing.

When you start to see like that, this is something that's acceptable to them. You start to have to like question how rigorous is any process for anything. I can't be, it can't be that strong if this is okay. Oh yeah. I just like them leaning into none of their listeners being able to read past the headline. I really like them just like, man, why even, but it, it would make almost as much sense if they had the headline and then just a series of ellipses like that would be it. It's the same thing.

My boss said that patriots are being made to look bad. We are now reporting. Alex Jones told Infowars dot com. No, he didn't. Alex Jones told you across the hall. Yeah, it's embarrassing. So on this 31st here this Sunday, Easter show, Alex goes out to break the first commercial break like this, telling the truth is a revolutionary act born of that with our special guests straight

ahead. It's a surprise. It's a surprise guest. Surprise guest. Yeah. And guess what? Then it just goes to rebroadcast. What?

It's a clip show. No. Yeah. No. Yeah. He didn't work on Easter. He did take Easter off. Oh.

So what happened was he recorded that on Friday and he didn't know what special guests they were going to replay what interview they were going to replay. And so he teased that and they just recorded that like five minutes on Friday or whatever and then he took the weekend off. No shit. Yeah. What a fucking asshole. Yeah.

Clip show. So he just rehearsed his Ted Nugent interview again. Great. Which is like, oh God. Oh, great. Just complaining about Jim Carrey. Yeah. And then he has an interview that he did a while back with John Rappaport about how James

Holmes was on mind control. Right. Right. It's very bad. Sure. Sure. Sure. So he hit to April 1st and I found something real interesting real quick.

It is April 1st, 2013. I am your host Alex Jones. We're going to be live here for the next three hours. We had him on for about 20 minutes last week. I'm getting him on for a full hour. Oh, no. Always interesting. Dr. Steve Pacinac.

Oh, no. He's going to be with us in the third hour. We will open the phones up so you can have a chance to ask him a few questions during that period. Steve Pacinac is back already. Stevey P's back after a weekend. A couple days and we got to get Steve back. He said something real wild and like Alex has already like on the 29th expressed that

he does not agree with that. Right. He thinks the kids died there. But yet, let's get Steve back to talk about it for an hour. Now Steve emerges from that stone cave where he was kept the day after Easter and he's back to bring salvation to Alex Jones' narratives. Perhaps. So I started to listen to this episode and I started to feel like this is so familiar.

I was like, I have heard this episode before and I knew for sure that I had heard it before when it got to Alex starting to tell a story about how over the weekend he got yelled at by a globalist in a hot tub. No shit. This is that episode. It is. God damn. We have covered this episode already.

I got about 40 minutes into the episode and I'm like, this can't be another time that there's a globalist in the hot tub. I imagine there have been plenty globalists in the hot tub. There certainly are like hot springs. Yes. So I went back and I looked and I was like, why did we cover this already? Why have I already heard this? And when we did a live show a couple years back, when I was trying to find a topic to

cover. Was this the last day he was on in Austin? Was this that one? No. What I did was in my preparation for it, I went back and I listened to every April Fool's Day because I thought that maybe Alex would do a joke show or something. Right. And so I heard this.

I didn't use it for the live show, but the next episode after that, I had found the globalist in a hot tub story. Yeah. I was like, we got to talk about this. We got to talk about that. Yeah. So if you want, you can go back and listen to our April 1st and 2nd episode where it's mostly about Alex running into a authoritarian globalist who is into white genocide who yells

at Alex in a hot tub. Yep. Apparently this dude points at Alex for 20 minutes. 20 minutes. And then Alex has nightmares about him. So it's a fantastic story. I realized that like we had already covered this and I was like, ah, shit. What do I do?

Do I just say everyone go listen to that episode? Hey, we're done. Yeah. I went back and I listened to that episode and I realized that like all we mostly covered in that was the globalist in the hot tub and there's more going on here. So what I'm going to try and do is I'm going to look at the other stuff, the globalist in the hot tub stuff that's in the other episode. We will take a look at all of the other stuff that's important for our continuing investigation

in 2013, but unfortunately will not involve the globalist in the hot tub and globalist in the hot tub. I think it was actually a sequel to hobo with a shotgun. Do you remember that? The Rucker Howard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that was pretty much the same one. So it's important to point out the globalist in the hot tub stuff though because it's, it puts Alex in a really bad mood. He is really depressed and really messed up about running into this authoritarian when he is on a family vacation at the Hyatt or whatever. He saw GNNHT. Come on.

He can't let that go. No, certainly not. So he's in a very fucked up headspace and that puts him in a really bad position to interact with a psych warfare expert. Oh man. I love it when they hate each other so much. So we will get to that as we get to it. But before that, Alex, he continues our running joke.

They're going to take everything, folks. Thomas Jefferson said the level of tyranny you will live under is the exact level that you will accept. What? God damn it. I don't think that that's an actual Thomas Jefferson quote. As I can find literally no evidence Jefferson ever said it, searching through sources ranging from quotation websites to Monticello's Jeffersonian archives.

This doesn't appear in any recorded statement or speech given by Jefferson. Granted, it doesn't sound too off base for something Jefferson might believe. It's just that there's no evidence he did say it. However, it does sound a lot like a boiled down version of someone else's words. Quote, find out just what a people will submit to and you've found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them. These will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

This was said on August 4th, 1857 by noted radical abolitionist Frederick Douglass. This is wild to me because obviously Alex likes the sentiment of this quote, but for some reason he doesn't know that he's reciting a quote specifically about the ending of slavery, which is something his family members literally fought to maintain. I'm not speaking loosely or making assumptions here. The next line of that speech are quote, in the light of these ideas, Negroes will be hunted in the north and held and flogged at in the south, so long as they submit to those devilish outrages and make no resistance, either moral or physical.

Men may not get all they pay for in this world, but they must certainly pay for all they get. If we ever get freedom from the oppression and wrongs heaped upon us, we must pay for their removal. We will do this by labor, by suffering, by sacrifice, and if need be, by our lives and the lives of others. Most of the time, Alex's fake Jefferson quotes are just kind of dumb. They're examples of him seeing a meme on a Patriot message board and assuming it's real. This case feels grosser, as if what's going on is an attempt to steal Frederick Douglass's

words and attribute them to someone it's cool with your audience to quote. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, maybe more than I should, and maybe it's just Alex being stupid like usual, but whatever the case, his streak of not knowing anything about his favorite subject in American history continues. Still going strong. Impressive. Still going strong. Yeah.

That's really messed up. He's the Ted Williams of not knowing anything about Thomas Jefferson. It's kind of amazing. No one will ever beat a 56 quote streak. And that one just, it does seem more messed up to me. I mean, yeah, but most of these assholes take what black people say and attribute it to somebody white. It's just, that's just the truth.

Frederick Douglass, smart guy. Sure. Can't remember him at all. Going to have to go to, going to have to give it to Thomas Jefferson. Everything is fucking Jefferson. If it sounds good. Fuck off. Yeah.

And if, and it's, it's, because there's no way he's going to say anything that Lincoln said because he's his ancestors and he hates that guy. We're going to learn something about Lincoln a little bit later. Oh no. So, in this next clip, we get a sort of continuation of Alex's delusions of grandeur. And at the beginning of this episode, we heard him arguing that Kim Jong-un listens to his show. He does.

And because Alex has been talking shit, getting out of pocket, Kim Jong-un is planning to bomb Austin. Yes. That's the only thing that makes sense. Alex has another indication of his geopolitical importance in this next clip. And then I'm talking to all these different former high level people in government and current ones. And they tell me that they go to CFR meetings and they go to Pentagon meetings.

And most of the people there are listeners and are all upset about what's happening and they don't know what to do. You don't know what to do. You listen to my show and you're just, quote, glad I'm there. Glad I'm here. I'm going, hey, pirate ship, it's firing on us. And you're all going, yeah, you're right, Ben, Alex, you're great. You recognize the pirate ship right as a cannonball takes off somebody's head.

That smells like Steve. Man, that's just too stupid. What we know is that Steve Pachennick is former CFR. We know that he's someone who talks to Alex. We know that he's someone who has a strategy of buttering up Alex with flattery. This seems like something that Steve is telling Alex, I go to these high level meetings and everyone's a huge fan of you. They say that you're right on.

They say that you know, you're, thank God you're there to tell people the truth. That to me is right in line with the kind of bullshit Steve would tell Alex to ingratiate himself with him. And you know how stupid, excuse me, uh, sorry, I just joked, uh, ironically, I joked on something on that compliment. No, no, it's so, it's so funny to me because Alex has the argument for why it's not true on his lips. He's saying literally, you guys listen to me and you're saying you don't know what

to do. I'm telling you what to do. What are you talking about? You're so powerful. Why aren't you doing the thing? You're all in the halls of power. If you all love me so much, why aren't you doing something? I'll tell you why Alex, cause they're not actually fucking listening.

You know why I listened to this shit, this terrible show where like it flies to like legitimately on Easter cover an article that you're the primary source for about 10 seconds in a Fox show where you allege that the SPLC and the federal government are running drama content. Like you're running that kind of a joke of a fucking show. And you believe that world leaders, joint chiefs of staff, all listening to this show, they're like, what else is Alex's wife going to report about TV? So yeah, I mean the only realistic explanation is that Steve is telling him this. It's a complete lie from somebody because he sounds like he believes it and it's not

something that he just made up. Absolutely. So that was the, that's how I'm operating. I heard that and immediately my Steve Bell went off and not just because Steve's on the show. Steve wasn't on this episode. I'd be like, that's a fucking pochetic. He brought up CFR, brought up talking to high level people.

Like it's too, it's too, it's too exactly in line with the manipulation we've seen Steve use on Alex in the past. Yeah. There's only one other high level manipulator like that and he's not going to show up for another couple of years. It's true. Although in 2013, Alex did meet Roger Stone at that JFK convention, but they didn't become friends yet.

I did not know that. That's where they, that's where their paths first allegedly crossed. So Alex in this next clip says something that tells me an interesting piece of information about his awareness about his audience. And the only reason we have any wealth or money or any due process is because our ancestors would kill people, give people, push them around. And the globalists know that and remember that and they're getting ready to take everything to arrest patriots, torture centers, I mean, they've got it all planned and they're coming

out in the culture and all the movies, the video games, all the major shoot them up video games in America. Now I went and checked like five of them a few months ago. You torture militia members in America. Which five? Pull our teeth out. Just, you know what? You're anti UN takeover.

You practice ripping our teeth out. Kids are all simulating killing us right now. Simulated murder games. It's all, it's a total, total scientific full spectrum takeover. But if you are just aware of the full spectrum takeover, it's over. Do you ever played any game like that? Have you ever played a video game where you just rip teeth out? I, I mean, I bet I wouldn't say that it doesn't exist, but it doesn't seem prevalent.

No. Is it like individual teeth or do you just press X and all teeth are removed? Uh, man, if it's all of them at the same time, that's a shoddy construction of the game. What's the point of removing teeth if you're removing them all at once? Yeah. That's no, come on. Each tooth is a mission. It's got to be.

I found a top 100 list of video games based on sales from 2013. Yeah. And I'm not sure I'm seeing the same thing Alex is seeing here. The top selling game of 2013 was Grand Theft Auto five and I could definitely see Alex taking issue with that game from like a puritanical standpoint, but it definitely wasn't about training kids to tear out Patriot's teeth. No, that was Katamari Damacy, I believe. Number two on the list is FIFA, which I guess Alex could see as un-American, but far cry

from anything. The watch and soccer is like pulling teeth. You know what I'm saying, Dan? Number three is Call of Duty ghosts. Okay. Number four is Battlefield four, which are both pretty solidly America centric military style. Yeah.

Number five is Assassin's Creed Black Flag, which is about pirates. Great game. Number six is Tomb Raider. Number seven is the previous year's edition of FIFA. And number eight is Lego Marvel, uh, superheroes. Number nine is Minecraft. And number 10 is Last of Us. None of these games come close to describing, uh, the sort of game Alex is imagining here.

Yeah. I should admit for full disclosure, I haven't played any of the games on this top 100, except probably Luigi's Mansion two, but none of them seem like they're based on torturing people because they love to yell about private property in the free market. That doesn't sound right. It doesn't sound right. This is Alex being dumb and old, but also knowing that his audience is gullible and old.

I hear a guy say that all the top video games are about teaching kids to torture patriots. All I really hear is a guy indicating that he knows that his demographics don't include people under 40. The more I think about it, the more I think there's a very good chance that Alex would have been the sort of guy back in the day who would have been like there's satanic messages hidden in rock and roll. Yeah. Oh, 100%.

This is basically the equivalent of that. Yeah. Like it's one of the kids doing their, whatever it is the kids are doing, it's probably evil. You don't fucking, yeah. It's just a man being out of touch with the next generation and having to fucking pathologize it. And knowing that expressing that out of touchness in a aggressive way won't alienate his audience. He knows that anybody who's listening isn't like someone who has any awareness of video

games. Right. And so like, what's the cost? What's the cost to just taking that line? You've got like old man house phone listening. Yeah. Like he knows anything about the current state of like modern console games or anything. FIFA 13 was great.

Last game I played was Kong. I mean, maybe, maybe one of the fallout series could have some kind of, you know, there are some narratives in the fallout games where it's like, look at where nationalist propaganda will get you. That kind of thing. I could see that maybe, maybe, maybe, but that doesn't mean that like, why am I trying to find a real life example of the lies that he's. Because it's interesting to think about and also like there probably is one thing he's

talking about. Yeah. I don't know enough video games to be able to like pinpoint what he's probably talking about. But even if he proves that there's one game that's similar to what he's talking about, he still has failed to prove his thesis that it's all like, there's so many of these games. It's all about it. It's in the culture.

You have 10 seconds of an episode of the following you're complaining about. I don't believe you. So I want to know what console you're using. Are you using a console? Are you a PC gamer? What are we talking about? I use Atari. I'm playing the game cube still.

As we go through this stretch of time, you know, we're noticing a lot of different trends. One of them is the heightened prevalence of Alex saying that things are actors. Another one that I'm noticing quite a bit that troubles me more, maybe even than his Sandy Hook shit, is a lot of callers seem to be calling in expressing alienation with the people around them because of Alex. And we've seen him respond pretty badly to that in past episodes. Very poorly. But in this next clip, we see another caller expressing pretty much exactly the same thing.

Now that I've woken up, people around me don't agree with me anymore. And the hostility that Alex expresses towards these people in the caller's life, I think is so irresponsible. Let's go to Robert in Pennsylvania. You're on the air, Robert. Welcome to the airwaves. Hey, Alex. I'm a huge fan.

I just wanted to ask you, how do I approach people with this information? I mean, I get ridiculed. I get laughed at. People think I'm crazy. Alex, just, hey, exactly. No, no, no. It's crazy to say they're taking people's bank accounts. It doesn't exist.

Sounds like you're hanging around with a bunch of morons. I mean, you know, it's not your fault that they're cowardly dumbed down, low IQed fools. And they've never counted in history. Just find a like minded people and organize against it and run for local office and do things like that. Yeah. You know, I just wanted to also tell you, Alex, you know, you really touched my life for the positive.

Wow. You can't say, but you can't do both of those things back to back, Alex. No one wants to talk to me and I get made fun of all the time because of you. Because the ideas that I repeat that you have next, you've really made a positive influence in my life. No, no. Well, I mean, you know, that is sort of indicative of Stockholm syndrome after Stockholm, Europe. Yes.

Absolutely. That is, it does seem like there is a piece of it where it is very possible to interpret like as long as you have the veneer of martyrdom to whatever people are doing to you, it is still possible for someone to destroy your life and you still see it as a positive. Right. Right. Absolutely. But it's so, it's so wrong of Alex to like think that he's not hurting people.

If you get a bunch of calls from people who are saying like, what you have made me believe has really made it so no one can communicate anymore. You should take a look in the mirror. That's all I would, that's, that's what I would say. Tony is ruining someone's life and then having them thank you for it. You know, who said that? Jefferson. Exactly.

Frederick Douglass. By way of Jefferson. Yeah. So earlier I heard Alex say that, you know, all these high level government people are listening to his show and I believed that it was Steve who was telling him that and thankfully Alex confirms that for me. Okay, good. Nice.

Stevepachennic.com. He also wrote a bunch of books with Tom Clancy that have been turned into major Hollywood films. The good news he told us last week is he goes to major Pentagon meetings and, you know, he still lectures there at different military colleges to the brass and, you know, he said a lot of them are listeners. I already know that separately myself. Sure you do.

Sure you do. So I got confirmation on that. That's just my instincts are finally tuned. Yep. I hear Alex say that CFR members and high level government people listen and like, oh, that's Steve. And then later he's like, wow, Steve told me this. Steve told me.

Great. So like I said, Alex is coming off this globalist in a hot tub situation and he's pretty depressed about it because this guy, you know, he really shook him to the point where he's having nightmares and Alex is really depressed and that's not good because Steve Pachennic for whatever crazy he is for however he much he is probably exaggerating a lot of his resume. He definitely is someone who understands psychology. Yes. He has a doctorate.

He has degrees in psychology, psychiatry. So he knows how to manipulate people when they're vulnerable. Yeah. And Alex doctor, he's Dr. Steel, your brain. He's not somebody that you want to talk to when you're not in a good place. Right. And so when I hear Alex introduce him, I feel like this is the worst possible scenario. Dr. Steve Pachennic.

Some of all fears that you are great to have you on with us here today. You know, I told you I want to cover the waterfront. What do you make? Because I'm almost doing a ghost dance here. I mean, I'm just kind of, you know, as a psychiatrist, as a doctor, as a military man, what is the psychology? I'm going through grief. I mean, the collectivist are saying you're done.

We're going to wreck you. They're celebrating the defacing of the of our free country. They're celebrating the Balkanization. The public sent a trance or those that are awake don't know what to do. The public's voting by buying 10 million guns a month, Homeland Security's arming against us. I mean, what, what are we seeing build up here? Well, Alex, let me rephrase the entire thing.

What are the reasons you and I get along so well? And I do respect you as number one. You do talk about the truth, but I can understand why you're feeling depressed. The truth is I am not. What we see there is a perfect setup for someone like Steve. Wow. Alex is like, you're an expert on this stuff. I'm depressed.

I'm feeling grief. There's a lot of real negative things. Doctor, I'm coming to you shattered. Put the pieces back together in the way that you see fit. That is, and God, Steve is so good at it. Yeah. Jesus. He was, he even, he, he got the compliment in there without even, without forcing it.

Yeah. Without forcing it all. You talk about the truth. And then, and then he turns around and he's like, let's reframe it. I'm not depressed. So you think about that. Allow me to take all of your concerns and years, reframe them in my construct. Put them in a different package that doesn't make me depressed.

So if you see it my way, you won't be depressed either. And you don't want to feel bad anymore. Do you? No. And the fascinating thing too is about that compliment, how it's delivered is also within the framework of why we've always gotten along. It reaffirms their connection and their mutual respect and working together. It's so great.

Yeah. I don't know if he's, I don't know if this is muscle memory or if he's just that good. I think he's just that good. He's that good. Yeah. Well, I think Alex is probably not that hard. No, that's true. No.

I think if you are somebody who has a good amount of training in the field, you probably recognize little cues and the way Alex is behaving and, you know, provide stimulus that leads him in the direction that you want him to go. I don't think it's that hard. No, that's, that's fair. So Steve gets right down to Sandy Hook. He has some feelings about it. And I'll say on our last episode, his big piece of evidence that Sandy Hook, no one died

there was that Susan Collins, the writer of the Hunger Games, is from the city of New Town. Right. In this episode, he starts off with a slightly different approach. And that is to express that, let me see if I can explain this because it's dumb. Okay. In the Aurora shooting, there was a gag order. All right.

I am already finding this to be stupid. In the Sandy Hook shooting, there was also a gag order. Okay. President Obama talked about the Sandy Hook shooting, thereby breaking the gag order. That doesn't make sense. I don't think it's true at all, but he didn't talk about the Aurora shooting because there was an actual crime that the gag order was protecting. Because Obama talked about Sandy Hook, there wasn't a gag order to actually reinforce.

There was no crime. Therefore, no gag order. Therefore, Obama didn't commit a crime. God, they all believe in these like at the stroke of midnight rules. Like it's like, like the pumpkin doesn't understand midnight. It's not a concept that the pumpkin understands. Why do you think that that makes any fucking sense? It's not going to turn back into a pumpkin at midnight because it's not a concept.

It's a great turn of phrase. The pumpkin doesn't understand midnight. So I heard that and I thought like, this is weird. Yeah. This is weird. That's a weird line. But here's Steve expressing that line of thought, which it's mind-blowing. But what happened, and this is why I'm very impressed, Alex, and I think your audience

should be impressed. What happened is that because of defense lawyers that did not do well and they broke what we call a gag order, the same way the president of the United States broke the gag order on Sandy Hook, which he should never have done if in fact there was a killing, but there was no killing at Sandy Hook. The president would have been indicted for a federal offense of the gag order. So what happened in Aurora is not only an indictment of the criminal, it's indictment of the false flag of Sandy Hook.

So for me, this is a very important day that your audience has to understand. Sure. Sure. That's weird. That's very strange. I just don't like how you can be so fucking good at manipulation and then in the next sentence be so goddamn stupid. I mean, it's unreal what he is saying.

Alex kind of makes it easy. That's true, but I mean, it's not, it doesn't. It doesn't. I mean, as we, as we have seen, no, he could just do whatever illegal shit he wants and nobody's going to indict him. So Steve's argument seems to be that Aurora was real and that was a crazy dude who went and shot some people, which is why Obama couldn't say, well, Obama couldn't say anything because a real crime was committed.

No, not a false flag, Sandy Hook, false flag, of course, proven by Obama saying something about it, breaking a gag order. Whose gag order was it? I don't know. It's not important. Nevermind. It's all the pumpkin. So Alex takes issue with this because he does believe that Aurora is a false flag.

So they have a little bit of a difficulty. He's like, Alex is like, you know what, Aurora was fake. And Steve responded to that by just sort of really getting into how Sandy Hook was fake. I see false flag all over the place, not just at Sandy Hook. Well, let's limit it just to Sandy Hook because that's very important. That was literally where the president took his ground and made a, he put a line in the sand and said, this is where I stand. These poor kids who were never killed, they were never present.

And he created a total absurd scenario, which made no sense, had no credibility, was inconsistent, used all these female executives who'd been in Texas in your area, Mr. Gene Rosen, Susan Collins who wrote a hundred games, and this was 600 million who wrote this type of scenario. This is the beginning of the end of the false flags for FEMA, for CIA and others. So I see the upside to this, Alex, and you know, I'm not, I'm not an optimist, I'm a realist. You're a realist. That is bananas. Yeah.

Susan Collins wrote about this type of situation. Yeah, the hunger games. Or is he just talking about the posts? I think he's not talking about specifically she was writing about false flags in Newtown, Connecticut. No, his only real connection is that there are school children in the hunger games. Right. And they are fighting and die. Gotcha.

That to me is as best I can tell the connection that exists there. Maybe he just doesn't like the hunger games. That's fine. Yeah. He doesn't like a lot of things. Like in the last episode he was complaining about Zero Dark 30. That's true. He seems to have some film criticism.

He just, he just has a lot of access to grind with creative content. Yeah. Because his involvement with Tom Clancy isn't respected enough. 01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:50,780 Probably has those feelings. Not a lot of people respect ghostwriting a Tom Clancy book. It's a very common thing that a lot of people have done. Yeah.

So Alex is having this conversation and, you know, Steve is expressing a lot of things that are counter to Alex's stated positions. First of all, you know, don't worry about Aurora. We're talking about Sandy Hook. Right. Sandy Hook, no one died there. The kids weren't there. No big deal.

Nothing happened. Alex seems to be against that, but it is the position he will end up taking. Yeah. Which is strange. And also Alex is allowing this to happen on his show with very little pushback outside of, I think Aurora is fake too. Yeah. And then this, this is his other main pushback.

But my, my, my issue is specifically as being somebody who has basically covered false flags and worked in the government as an expert on this, what you're seeing that tells you that no one was killed. Because in my experience when I do false flags, why not kill some kids? I mean, they have more fun. I mean, they enjoy their work. We'll be right back. So that seems to be, like I said earlier, the biggest stumbling block that he has is like,

why? So it appears that someone like Steve is pretty fucking smart and manipulative. If he's able to come up with a compelling reason for Alex to believe it would be easier for them to not kill, even though they love to kill and have fun doing it, then that would resolve any of the, the rebuttals that Alex is putting forth. Yep. That seems to be the big hurdle and that's not a hard hurdle. No.

And especially in his state of being right now, he's so deferential and like this is a daddy issue on display here as an older man who I respect and he is allowed to hold forth. And whenever I push back, it's going to be with a fucking upward lilt at the end of every state and the end of every statement. Everything is a question now. Yeah. And the two of them don't fight at all. Like Alex's state is very submissive and he allows Steve to hold court for long stretches of time

and talk about how like the base of America is entrepreneurship and it's just like pontificating about a whole bunch of nonsensical ideas, but their ideas that Alex really is into. There's a lot of like packaging his argument about Sandy Hook with a lot of window dressing about like the return of small business, the end of the era of false flaggery. Right. Right. Which we know is a bad prediction. Sure.

You know, the French don't have a word for entrepreneur. No. Thomas Jefferson. Steve does say that Europe has never valued entrepreneurship. Of course. Why? Who are these people? I don't know.

Anyway, in this next clip, it's a little bit longer, but this is Steve laying out his big theory, I guess, about Sandy Hook being fake. Yeah. Here we go. I want to allow him to speak his piece. All right, I was talking to Dr. Steve Pachennick during the break and I was asking him specifically why he thinks Sandy Hook had evidence of being a false flag. And I'd like him now to repeat that information to you.

Then I want to look at the geopolitical ramifications from his geopolitical perspective and his contacts on what's really happening in the world right now from Cyprus to North Korea and China. And he's also worked in the financial sectors. He can comment on that. So, Doc, what is your take on Sandy Hook? Is it just all the clear scripting and how they were ready minute one and now it's come out that Bloomberg was ready months before and then all the people that look and act like actors? What's your take as an expert on this?

Well, this is a total script. It would have come out of a woman who lives in Sandy Hook who's worth $600 million and you can call her up. You can interview her named Susan Collins. So, first piece of evidence, Susan Collins. This has scripting. She's a writer who's written similar things and lives there. No good.

She's written all the 100-game movies and 100-game books and literally it comes out of her script, the assassination of children in schools, the assassination of children in a dystopic society. She had no comment. The fact that this almost came out of her own books on children in war. And secondly, you had a whole group of actors. Gene Rosen, who came out of the Crisis Actors Group. I always referred my readers to IS42, Social Media Emergency Management, the official course launched in summer by Emergency Management Institute, which you and I pay for.

It has how the public perceives community, key organization. In other words, there's a whole school on how to create disasters. And these children are also taught how to create disasters. Gene Rosen was not only not a psychologist, but he was also president in San Diego. He was a theme advisor and also in Texas. Plus, you had kids who were in the various acting schools before. You also had the frontline E&T people like Bengali, Flynn, Penn, Frank Chapman, who were written about in The New York Times, and Grace, believe in The New York Times.

They kind of implied these were absurd. These were Irish cops who I haven't known Connecticut because I worked at Greenwich, Connecticut, so I know San Diego very well. It's a white, very wealthy community filled with guns and alcohol. But there is no evidence of a murder or a killing. And in fact, what you add is a violation of the gag order, which is the prosecutorial evidence. And everyone violated the gag order in contrast to Aurora, where the president respected it, the prosecutors respected the defense attorney.

And here you had a scripted story about some kid who had Asperger's, by the way, which is not a psychiatric disorder, which does not have any history other than the fact that he had guns and his mother gave him guns and alcohol, absolutely absurd, inconsistent, irrelevant, and very dangerous for us. Well, if you're going to stage Fast and Furious to blame the Second Amendment, why not do that? And Obama urges quick adoption of the UN arms, small arms treaties today. This is all happening right now. Why do they want our guns so bad?

So you see that Alex's response to that cavalcade of bullshit is to be like, well, I mean, I guess if they do X, they would do this. And Obama is trying to push this small arms treaty. That's him talking himself into this. He's in a vulnerable position because this globalist in a hot tub really threw him off. Yeah. And Steve is taking advantage of this. It is really hitting him hard.

Yeah. I don't know that Alex, in control of all of his faculties, wouldn't behave exactly the same way. Probably. He probably would. But it's a bad state for him to be in. You can see it. You can see that he's starting to be convinced. It probably wouldn't happen so obviously and pathetically.

Do you think the Crisis Actors Guild gives you insurance, dude? They have an amazing package. When do I get my CAG card? CAG. Yeah, that's insane. So Gene Rosen is the guy who the kids fled to his front yard and everyone said he was an over actor. There's not any evidence of that. The other pieces there were guidelines about how to cover a disaster.

Irrelevant to this as if this is how we plan disasters. Complete misrepresentation. Always. And then at the end there, he's talking about these are Irish cops. Ah. It's a good, white, rich area. Shaws over, folks. Get out of here.

And they're all saying that they are really affected by this and they get pension increases. That's obviously a payoff for going along with this cover-up. They give me a little scratch. He doesn't say it in this clip, but it relates back to other things he said. I believe he said it in the last episode that we covered where he's saying that these are the first Irish cops I've ever heard of who have PTSD. Jesus. You know, it's like, um, this is not evidence.

No, they all do. We just were raised that we bottle it up down inside until we die. It's just flimsy shit. Steve's coming in with like a lot of things to say, but all of it is so weak. I love that he even goes over like all that we know is that his mom gave him guns and alcohol and there's nothing wrong with that. And you're like, whoa, wait, what? Huh?

Huh? What? No. No. Most, if not all violence happens when guns and alcohol is involved. Yep. Yeah. So what we see here, I think is that Alex is starting to come around,

but I don't think that he's bought in yet. I think you can see that in this next clip. And when he starts talking about Sandy Hook singing all the signs that it was totally staged, it just blows me away because I, you know, I can't prove it either way. There's a lot of suspicious signs there and a lot of issues, but also see that on the Aurora front. I just know this, they know that guns have made violent crime go down 49%. Not true.

They know that. And they want our guns so that we can be politically dominated. So that's kind of indicative too of his depression that he's in in this episode, that those long pauses and like trying to process this stuff. He's not, he's not operating well. All that needs to be resolved for Alex to take up the theory that these kids didn't get killed are someone explaining to him that in a controlled environment, they can do this much better. Yeah.

They don't have to worry about it going wrong if they're not actually killing people. They can stage everything. That's super easy for Steve to do. Yep. And then it's easy for him to resolve this other lingering concern about Aurora. Like Steve can just be like, all right. Yes, that was fake too. Yeah.

Why not? And he would even make his whole argument infinitely better if he was like, you know what? You convinced me, Alex. Yeah. And Alex is like, I will believe anything you say. That would be perfect. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, what you see, I think, at least what I see from all of my experience of Alex's psychology and how he comports himself, how he covers stuff. He is on the edge. He's teetering on the edge. And all it takes is resolving a couple tiny little thoughts that he has in order for him to get on board. I think he's so primed.

And now that you have a fucking psych warfare guy involved, you're just asking for it. I know. What kind of idiot does that? Never talk to someone like Steve, ever. You know, it's almost one of those things where I want to talk to Steve just as, just as like a benchmark test of like, how good are you, Steve? And also, how good am I? See, this is how you get end up.

What's the test of wills? This is how you end up on the rocks. Sirens. You want to hear the song. Want to hear the song, damn. Boat's going to crash, baby. Don't tie me to the mast. I just want to hear the song.

So I think you're seeing Alex being seduced in this direction, but refusing to be pushed over the edge until a few lingering questions resolve. Right. And I don't think that's going to be hard. I think Steve is very capable of doing that. And I think that's what we're going to see in the very near future. I think it's just about anybody is pretty capable of kicking him over the edge now. Right.

But you got it. Now that he's primed. But it's got to be somebody like Steve. Oh, it's got to be an older man who reminds him of his dad for sure. That's important. But like Jim Fexer, who wrote No One Died at Sandy Hook, wouldn't be able to do it. No.

Because he doesn't know how to work with Alex's psychology. Right. Steve does. Right. Steve knows that what you need to do is, you know, put sugar around the pill. Right. You need to sweeten Alex up with compliments, flattery, evoking your history together of like, yeah, we get into conversations,

we fight sometimes because we respect each other. Right. You need to you need to frame any possible disagreement as just like, well, we're both really smart. That's why we disagree on things. Yeah, exactly. You need to overwhelm him with flattery. And a lot of these other people who believe that Sandy Hook, No One Died,

they would be able to convince him. Right. Right, right. Because they would come at it with a position of like, I'm correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where Steve was like, let's bring it together. Yeah, I'm going to bring it out of you. You already believe what I'm saying to you.

I just need to bring it out. You know, when you're talking about a sculptor, the statue is already there. I'm just breaking away the marble man. That's what's going on. Yep. I think when I said anybody could push him over the edge, I think what I meant was any policy walk, if they put their minds to it, they could take the lessons learned from this show and convince Alex of some bullshit.

I definitely think that's true. So we only have a couple clips left here and it's just some indications that Steve is not a good dude. I think that when you see the, obviously Steve Pachanik is somebody who's up to no good and is meddling in Alex's life for whatever reason he has. But there's also things outside of even just convincing him that no one died at Sandy Hook, convincing him that the Las Vegas shooting was a false flag or whatever the fuck. Well, he's dismissive of people on the autistic spectrum. That's for sure.

Sure. But there's even other things like in this next clip. I think he likes John Wilkes Booth. Interesting. Are they trying to start a civil war coming after our guns? Well, I think they don't even think of that in terms of a civil war. If they did, there would be a civil war, but they can't even, you know, this is not that Abraham Lincoln who created a civil war.

What I call the Northern invasion. I mean, he's deified. I don't particularly think he is a great president. I think he was what was said about Booth. Wilkes Booth sent this to run. He basically suppressed our freedom. Oh boy. He wants to own slaves.

I don't know. Steve Agenig wants to own people. I don't know. That's a man who wants to own people. What greater psych warfare is there than owning a man? I think there's something to that. I don't know. That's what he's saying, but I do know that he seems to be.

I call it the Northern invasion. The Northern invasion. The Northern invasion. Get the fuck out of my country. Go fucking somewhere else. You do. You do see a lot of Confederate sympathies. You expect it from Alex, but it's kind of weird to hear from Steve.

Yeah. What is where is he? I mean, I know he lives in Florida. Yeah. But where was he raised? Or he was born in Cuba. The war at the Northern invasion, as I call it. I don't know.

Anyway, that's weird. That's very weird. And then this next clip, this last one is just, I feel like this is a bit racist. The one thing that Obama may have done is that there's no more excuse for anybody to say I'm black and they're right to not do anything. Once you have a president who's black, that pretty much erases the notion that everybody was suppressed.

It was black. No, no. Hold on. A few calls. I'm just so sick of hearing about race. So sick of it. Botanic. Hold on.

No, no, no. That's not how that works. Yep. He really wants to say the word uppity on a daily basis. He really wants to say it. Yeah. I feel like that's just an indication of some pretty latent deep seated racism. I think the Northern invasion part was pretty,

pretty clear where your sympathies lie. If you say that. I agree. That Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant and John Wilkes Booth was right on. John Wilkes Booth was onto something. I think you've already revealed how your opinions on race are going to shake up. I think you can hide behind a lot of ideas about taxes and stuff like that with the Northern invasion ideas.

But when you're expressing something like this, I think that's very clearly race-based and pretty fucked up. I call the Mexican-American war the Northern fucking invasion. You wouldn't have a goddamn state, Alex, if it weren't for the Northern fucking invasion. That's an interesting theory. So what I come away from this with is I am more convinced than ever that Alex is being softly led down this path to Sandy Hook denialism by Dr. Steve Pigeon.

By noted crazy person Dr. Steve Pigeon. And so what I think based on that is that it might be a good use of our time for our next episode to forego going back to the present day and checking in on whatever dumb shit Alex is saying in 2019. And possibly taking a closer look at some of the things that Steve Puchenek has been involved in. Taking a closer look at who is this guy? Is he crazy? What's going on? Which novels did he write with Tom Clancy?

I would be interested to know which ones he's got under his belt. So does he have residuals? Does he have points on the movies? These are things that I want to know. So I guess in effect, because on Monday's episode, we stumbled into Steve Puchenek showing up in the past. And then on this episode, we see he comes back a couple days later and is very clearly putting forth a aggressive Sandy Hook no one died there argument.

It'd be good to know more about him. Let's get into it. So on Friday, we will be back with a Steve Puchenek breakdown. It's Steve Puchenek week. Oh, just as bloody as shark week. So we'll be back with that Steve Puchenek NATO. I like it. So we will see you then.

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