Knowledge Fight - #344: April 9-10, 2013

Episode Date: September 18, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan continue their look at the past on see how Alex Jones' path went so horribly wrong after the events of Sandy Hook.  In this installment, the gents find Alex defending domestic violence in his fans and trying to launder some terrible information.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the bad guys, saying we are the bad guys. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the bad guys. It's a bit of a bus trip and I would almost fall asleep literally every morning and every return home. I would be sitting there like I'd feel myself fading and being like, come on, just fall asleep. Don't do it. You're gonna be a guy asleep on a bus. You already look like you do. You can't do that. You got this huge beard. You can't fill this just stereotype of somebody

who falls asleep. Everyone expects you to be asleep on this bus. Don't let them have it. Have you ever missed a stop? Oh, yeah. Not being asleep. I've missed stops before, just from negligence. Yeah, absolutely. That's the worst because sometimes it's not that bad. It's just like, oh, you got to backtrack a block, but sometimes those routes, they'll take you to a really weird place at the next stop. You're like half a mile away from where you need to be. Yeah. I don't know. In terms of falling asleep in public though, actually, like church, sleep on one of those pews. You did the whole, you got the red mark on your forehead. That's less public than, that's true. Although one time, oh god, okay, here's a little church

story. Not really falling asleep. When I was like, I don't know, maybe 11, 12-ish, put it in that ballpark. I discovered how cool it is to lean back in your chair. I realized that non-reclining chairs, you just tipped them up on the back. Oh, the two legs? Yeah. You're leaning back in the chair. That's cool shit right there. So I was in the middle of the church service. I went to this like mega church. It was pretty big, the congregation. And I was in the back row and they didn't have pews. It was all like stationary chairs. And I was like, this seems like a perfect opportunity to try out this whole leaning back in my chair thing. And so I did it and I'm leaning back and I lose control. I just fall backwards, right? Everybody is like, there's a huge commotion. Huge

noise. I'll be like three, 400 people in this room all turn and look back at you. But at the time, I played basketball. It was pretty athletic. Yeah. So I was pretty like smooth. I rolled out of the fall and ran out of the room. So I don't know never catch me motherfuckers. Exactly. I don't know if anybody as a whole knew it was me. But I completely disrupted the service. That's fantastic. Later that day, I'm talking to my brother and my brother is like, Oh my god, dude, were you in the service today? And like, Oh, yeah, he's like, did you see that guy fall down? I couldn't tell him it was me. Oh, God. Yeah, totally. That was so disruptive. That asshole. What an asshole do that. Not quite the same as falling asleep. Right. It's still pretty embarrassing.

Still fantastic. Anyway, this is about guys where I know a lot about almost falling asleep on a bus and falling over in my chair and church and a lot about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me about both. That's correct. So Jordan today, we got an interesting episode to go over. I am thrilled to get into some of this meat. But before we get to that, I take a little moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. So first, Daniel, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Daniel. All right. All right. Sorry. Next, Jessica. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Jessica. Next, Colin. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you,

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You are both wonderful technocrats. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right. We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Sean and Oz, comma, wizard of. Yes. Thank you very much to both good witches, I imagine. Absolutely. We appreciate it very much. And if you're out there listening and you like what we do and you like to support the show, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click the button that says support the show. We would appreciate it. It'd be great. So Jordan,

I had hoped to do a wacky Wednesday episode for today, but I regret to inform you that Carrie Cassidy over a project Camelot has not gone back to Vacaville prison to talk to Mark Richards yet. She's teased that it's going to happen, but it didn't happen. And then the rest of the episodes are like, I just can't, I can't do it. She interviewed like the former guitarist of the Steve Miller band about how he like that's riveting shit right there. It's surprisingly not that good. It was not something I could really sink my teeth into, let's say. Oh yeah. Did he just talk about the Steve Miller band or did he also get into aliens? It's not aliens. It has to do with like twins having telepathic connections or something. I don't know. I didn't, I couldn't

handle it. My, my stated position on twins is not allowed. Don't like them. Suspicious. Uh-uh. Two of the same person. No good. Not okay. Um, so that world was just no good. And I can't handle listening to goddamn Jim Baker. I can't do it. It's so boring to me. I know that people enjoy it and I wish that we could do more of it, but it is so boring. He is the worst. He's the worst. Yeah. I don't know what to tell you. Like even for the purposes of making fun of him, he's the worst. Yeah. Yeah. He's a fucking disaster. Yeah. So wacky Wednesday is in a tough space, but we'll figure out something to do with it in the future. And then simultaneously, I just don't, I don't think that Alex's present day is developing in an interesting way either.

Of course not. Like the, the trends that we were seeing on our last present day episode don't seem to be continuing in any way that's compelling. Of course not. So I stuck around in the past and here we're going to be going over April 9th and 10th, 2013. Alrighty. Because I think we saw very important trends happening on our last 2013 episode and it's interesting to see where they go. And I'll say that I found a couple of really wild things in this stretch of time. So it, there's definitely value here as opposed to like, let's say talking about Abra Kadabra by the Steve Miller band. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good. My heart is singing. All right. Is that a Steve Miller reference? No. Wild thing. Oh, yeah. Wait, that's not

wild thing. You make my heart. You said I found a couple of wild things. Oh, okay. Thought it was another. I thought you thought that was Steve Miller. No, I didn't. Okay. Sorry. I was going based off the Tone Locke version, by the way, as well. I apologize. Sincerely thought that was an attempt at a Steve Miller. Was Tone Locke and Steve Miller band? He was. Oh, okay. Good. Well, then it was. So we're going to start here on the 9th and it's, Alex get pretty severe about some news item that is developing the world. This is a topic that he has been covering in the prior days. And I think he's going about this exactly the wrong way. Of course. North Korea to launch missile tomorrow after warning foreigners to evacuate the South.

Korea, South Korea, precedented to say we're going to attack you. There's going to be explosions in South Korea, Japan and the West Coast and Austin. He has atomic weapons. Our government helped give it to his father in the mid 90s with ABB and Donald Rumsfeld and it's just unprecedented. So Alex has up at the, up to this point, the last like few days of his show have been involved with Steve Pechenek, right? Being in allegedly in South Korea. In South Korea. He is going over there and his whole reason to keep calling into Alex's show is to be like the media needs to deescalate this rhetoric. It's a load of bullshit. This is a Psyop. Right. There is no point in trying to saber rattle all this nonsense as shit to which Alex says, we're all going to die. So

we're all going to die. The American government has doomed us all to death. North Korea is going to fire missiles tomorrow. Yeah. Like even if they say that you got a psych warfare expert who's been coming on your show telling you that the media needs to calm down. Do you think that doesn't apply to you? Of course not. This is directly the opposite. Of course it doesn't apply to him. Steve Pechenek supports him completely. Ridiculous. And then that's stuff about ABB and Donald Rumsfeld giving North Korea those reactors. It's such it's so much more of a complicated situation than Alex is presenting. He's selling the version that they just wantonly and randomly were like, Oh, that's an arm North Korea. Yeah. Meanwhile, it was in the middle of

like real very serious non proliferation talks where it looked like North Korea was intending to withdraw from the non proliferation treaty. Right. And we had some reason to believe that they already had better reactors. Yeah. And ABB was allowed to sell these. What is it? The light water reactors because they're much harder to make weapons grade plutonium with. Gotcha. Gotcha. And as a part of the agreement of selling them these reactors, they had to deactivate and just like demolish their other reactors and allow weapons inspectors. So it was a complicated deal as opposed to just being like, haha, let's let's give them nukes. Right. Which is what Alex wants the image to be, which just isn't isn't real. So the deal

was very similar to the Iran deal, essentially. There are similarities. Yeah. But also the North Korea was pretty clearly fucking around. Yeah. Yeah. Well, of course, that's their that's their brand, man. But they've been doing it for years. You understand why someone would possibly make a decision that looks a little bit weird given the global circumstances that surround it. But the optics of it and what Alex is talking about is absolutely true. Like Donald Rumsfeld was on the board of ABB and they did sell light water reactors to North Korea at the time. Right. But it's also before the agreed framework completely collapsed in like what was it 2002. So like the world is like there are different sets of circumstances that were in place then that changed.

Maybe fairly quickly. That's a good way of putting it. But even even though it appears that selling reactors to them is nuclearization, it was an attempt at non proliferation. Exactly. Alex doesn't care. No, I mean, it's the old it's the old adage. We make peace with our enemies. We don't need to make peace with our friends. That kind of situation. And so when you're that's okay way to put it. Yeah, when you're negotiating something like that, you are going to have to give up something. Otherwise, what's the you're not negotiating? You're you're just threatening to bomb them. Right. We'd already given aid. Yeah. In terms of trying to get them to stay within the the framework. Right. And it worked a bit. But

I don't know. It's just he doesn't care for the subtleties. Nuance is not really his thing. I think more importantly, though, like he has this dude who's telling him X in the form of Steve Pocenic and he's like, what if we just do the opposite? I like it. It seems strange. So in this next clip, Alex has another news item that is continuing another trend that we saw on our last episode. And I think he really steps in a big old puddle in this one. What a spectacle Obama using those dead kids and rolling out the parents saying America, it's your fault this happened. Restrict your guns. No parents. You took your children to a government training center. Advertise is a mass shooting facility.

And you're the ones globalist and supporters of it that are supporting all the mentally ill people on the psychotropic in almost every case they're on them. Not true. So what's interesting here is that Alex has been dancing around actor ideas in terms of Sandy Hook, right? But now he's expressing that these kids are dead. Yeah, he doesn't believe he's not delivering the message to his audience that they're actors, but he's blaming the parents. Yeah, this is worse. No, it makes perfect sense. It's their fault. This is worse. No, no, no, no, it makes perfect sense. It's their fault. And so the only way to solve this problem is to harass them forever until they die. That makes perfect sense, right? He's been simultaneously dancing around the actor ideas and saying tacit

admissions that they there are dead children involved in this. So his audience can't possibly know what point he's trying to make because it's all over the place. But at the same time, in his acknowledgement that there are children that are dead, he's pointing the finger at the parent, like you're the one who took him to school. Yeah, yeah, what? Yeah, you should have homeschooled him. If you don't want your kids to die in a school shooting, you got a homeschooled dad. That's the only way I can see gun control. That's against the rules. Whatever it is. It's like even if he believes there or is presenting the belief that there's dead kids or if it's fake, whatever message he's sending, it's targeting these parents. Like it's victimizing them all over

again, one way or another. It's it's it's wild. It's wild. How bad this is. It is. Yeah, as you expected just to just jump down the road. Actors trying to take my guns, right? Pick a lane. What you don't expect is like, Hey, guess what? Shooting was real. And fuck you. Fuck you, parents. You took your kids to school. You should have known. It's a government disarmament zone. Hey, if you took your kids to the golf course and they got struck by lightning, what are you doing golfing? That's your fault, dad. You know that that's a weather disarmament zone. It's insane. Like these trends that we're seeing are just like completely fucked up. Yeah, I don't it's it's so much weirder than I expected. I mean, because he knows that it's

real. He knows the kids died. Yes. So it's almost like his his waffling position is just as much him like forgetting whether or not he's lying at this point in time. You know, like if he's coming off the coming off the dome, he might accidentally acknowledge that it wasn't a false flag and maybe the kids actually died. But if he's thinking about it, then he can present you a clear everything was a false flag bullshit. Some of that's possible. But if you want to look at it in like the crassest way possible, like just like the most cynical approach, it's like, this is market testing. Yeah, that's a good point. You can say A and B and see what the audience responds to more and then go with that. Right. If you're

looking at it from a marketing perspective, that that could easily explain this sort of disjointed behavior where everything's fake. And then also it's real, but it's the government and it's the parents fault for bringing kids to school. Like, I don't I don't know what he's doing. But like if it's accidental, it's still manipulative as hell. Yeah. And and insane to expect his audience to figure out what the point is. Yeah, it's it's Schrodinger's school shooting until the audience determines which one they believe in both exist at the same time and then the waveform collapses. And guess what? False flag, all actors. All right. Hey, so there's the other trend that we were seeing in the last episode. And that was that Alex is really, really seriously

ramping up his rhetoric about how the globalists want to take your kids. Yeah, he's trying to get people killed. Well, I mean by proxy, yeah, or like by extension. But that seemed to be like a giant editorial move on his part. Like it was like, we're focusing on this. CPS is coming. They're also having sex with your kids. And then they want to deliver them back to you dead or something. Yeah. So Alex has found a news item that dovetails into that narrative. And he decides to go whole hog with it. Oh, no. And it was a very bad idea for him to do this. You know where you got to go now if you want to escape the incredible tyranny of the United States, you've got to flee to Cuba. They've got surveillance footage from the dock in Tampa, Florida, where they

believe Michael Haken and his wife with their two children that they kidnapped. Why? He supposedly, the Air Force veteran engineer his wife and engineer, no criminal record got caught with a bowl of marijuana in Louisiana. So they took his kids. And a year later, he was tired of it. So he went and got them back. And I was just watching CNN, they're all breathless. He ran to Cuba with the kidnapped children and they're all got real serious faces. There's nothing worse than a family. Now, if you drone strike a whole village to kill one guy, that's peace prize. But I'm telling you, dad and a mother standing up to the state with their kids, I mean, there is nothing worse. Point well taken about drones. Yeah, fair enough. I'm going to give you that one.

Don't know if it's related. Obama shouldn't have that peace prize. But yeah, I'm with you. So Alex has this dude's name wrong. His name is actually Joshua Haken. I think that you might have said it intentionally wrong to make it harder for people to find the story that he's talking about. So what's going on here at this stretch of time, like I said, on Alex's shows that he's really into the idea that the globalist want to take your kids. He needs to push that. So he's trying to latch onto any story that comes close to these sorts of elements. And thus he ends up making heroes out of this Florida couple who kidnapped their own two children and tried to flee to Cuba. They're white. So Alex views this as the state cracking down on them.

But I don't make such quick snap judgments. Oh, you don't know. So I needed to know more about the case before I made a decision about what I thought. I don't understand why you would want more information before you throw out a theory half cocked. So my first red flag was from an NBC Miami article about the couple being found trying to flee, specifically the part where the children's grandfather who had permanent custody of the children was completely on board with what the police did. This wasn't a case where the kids were adopted out to strangers or something. It was family members and they were in agreement that Joshua shouldn't have custody of those kids. That's a pretty relevant piece of information because your family knows you pretty well.

No, no globalists, they're all globalists and they're all in on it. The second thing I found particularly interesting was that this was not the first time Joshua had tried to kidnap his children. See, that does not surprise me even in the slightest. Apparently for a short amount of time after the state had taken away his parental rights, they were in a foster home and he showed up at that foster home to try and remove them from custody at gunpoint. Okay, well, that's a pretty extreme behavior. If you're showing up brandishing a gun trying to get your kids back, you're not some kind of noble hero. Yeah, you are. You are crazy. Yeah, no, someone who's really trying to get their kids back shows up to hearings. Yeah, you know, that's that's what they do. They deal

with their father-in-law who has custody of the children. You know what that is? You know what that is? Just showing up to somebody's house with a gun to try and get anything means you should have your kids taken away, even if it's trying to get back your kids and your guns should be taken away too. That's a different discussion, but I don't disagree. Normally, when a regular person hears a story like this about a parent who's kidnapped their child, their response is to be a bit cautious. No, while the parental instinct, I won't disagree is a very strong one. Cases where people kidnap their own children are generally ones that involve deeply disturbed individuals. So it's usually best to get a little more information before you support a particular person

in that kind of situation. Alex doesn't play that shit. He's got parental paranoia to stir up. So he paints Joshua Haken as a hero and man, that is a horrible decision that he made. The way Alex is reporting this, Joshua lost his kids because he was arrested with a bowl of marijuana in a hotel room, which is a bullshit charge. What do you see? Well, then do you see a, do you see like a key bowl, you know, like a 1970s key party and he's just got this giant fishbowl filled with weed? No, what I, I mean, you just, you just imagine a hash pipe, you know, you just imagine one of those, I can't even talk credibly about weed anymore. But that's what Alex is saying. You just had a little bit of weed and then the government evenly took his kids away. In reality, I'm going to read

you here from the Tampa Bay Times. Oh, I'm not excited for this quote. Slidell police were called to the holiday in where the Haken's were staying on the afternoon of June 17th, 2012, after receiving calls about a woman running down a hallway and knocking on doors. They found Sharon Haken, 34 years old with quote, multiple bruises on her body and bumps on her head where it looked like she was beaten. There you go. Quote, officers said they heard a child crying through the door of the family's hotel room. Entering, they found Joshua Haken sprawled on a bed with his children next to him, a heavy odor of marijuana smoke hung in the air. Joshua told officers that he would beat his wife Sharon to quote, bring her back to reality. He believed that she was possessed by spirits

and said that he'd choked her to unconsciousness multiple times to rid her of those spirits. Gotcha. Gotcha. In interviews with a biblical literalist, in interviews with authorities, the children said that they'd seen him hit her, their mother in their presence. He may have got arrested for marijuana possession initially, but the reason the situation escalated to the point it did where he lost custody was because of very serious domestic problems that were uncovered as a result of their initial call to the hotel room, which didn't have to do with weed. They got there and found drugs, a battered woman and crying children. It would have been completely negligent for them just to be like, eh, seems fine. Also, according to the stamp of a times

article, the police found a large knife in the hotel room, which Josh asked them not to take, because quote, I need it to complete the ultimate objective of my journey. Okay. If you need a knife to complete the ultimate of a large knife, you need a large knife to complete the ultimate objective. You better either be going through the jungle or fucking returning that knife to the fucking princess so she can survive her coronation. You better not be hanging out with a wife. You admit that you assault proudly. Yeah. In a hotel room with weeds. No big deal, but we have other problems. It's very bad. Yeah. So what I'm saying is these are some red flags. And if you're the police, you have every reason

to assume that there's murder possibilities. This is not a situation that you can just allow to be like, let's see what happens. No, this is murder, suicide, written all over it. Absolutely. In discussions with the authorities, Joshua laid out his completely insane theories about how he was subjected to attacks by microwave weapons by the government and how he was a victim of MK ultra. He was convinced of literally every anti-government conspiracy theory you can think of and was ultimately deemed legally insane by multiple mental health professionals. Yeah, that sounds right. Ultimately, Joshua would get sentenced to 15 years in prison for kidnapping his children. And during his sentencing, he was given an opportunity to speak, which resulted

in him ranting about nonsense for about 30 minutes. They gave him the opportunity to speak and they didn't stop him. I mean, nobody Oscars his speech off. I honestly think also, if we're looking at this from a like what's best standpoint, I kind of agree with his defense attorney that is like going to prison is not going to help him at all. No, I know, I was really surprised when you say actually, no, I was not surprised when you said he got 15 years in prison. Yeah. I was like, well, that's a bad idea. It seems to confirm a lot of his anti-government paranoia and stuff like that's what his defense attorney was arguing. And I can see that. I think one of the reasons that he did end up being sentenced to prison was because there was some dissenting voices about his legal

insanity status. Some people who talked to him said that he was competent stand trial. Sure. And I think because of some of that disagreement, there's like fuck it, they're on the prison. Yeah, if I were the judge, I probably would be like, I don't know, I would honestly think, especially after this 30 minute diatribe, he's probably beyond the point where anyone can help him. But there might be a chance, right? Because clearly drugs are involved here too. Like, this is not probably someone who's just doing marijuana. No, I don't know. I don't know. If he was a school shooter, Alex might have a point saying that he was on psychotropic drugs. I might give him that. Actually, he refused all drugs whenever he was in holding. Of course.

They discussed how that was like another reason to be pointless to put him in prison is because he's not going to put him in a hospital. No, no, no. Like if you put him in prison, he's not going to take meds, right? Whereas there's a chance they could forcibly get Oh, yeah. Okay. Now I got you. I don't know if that's part of the reasoning for why they wanted him to go to a hospital. I don't know. Anyway, I would err on the side of like put him in a federal hospital. Yeah, I doubt prison guards are going to, you know, chase him down and say, did you take your meds today? Yeah, I have no idea. I think that what you have here is a very disturbed and a domestically violent person. But on the stand, I'll read to you from this,

this Tampa Bay Times article, quote, he had been reborn twice, survived attempts on his life and witnessed deer, snakes and foxes bow down to him. He said, okay, quote, I am Icarus. I am Muhammad to the Shia Muslims. I am the Joshua of the tribe of Judah. I am the pahana, the or the true white friend of the Hopi. I am the one written about in prophecies. Okay, okay. So, all right, this guy's a little out there, take a take some violence away and we could do an episode about him. This is not the story of a heroic father who wanted to reclaim his children from the evil state who had ripped them from him. This is an insane domestic abuser committing insane levels of domestic abuse. It's staggering to imagine what those kids were going through in that

household and what they went through when they were kidnapped. I mean, just consider in order to kidnap the children, Joshua actually tied up their grandmother to get away with them. What? Yeah. And when the kids were rescued, they were badly sunburned for being out on that boat that was headed to Cuba. This is a seriously traumatic event for these children. And when I was reading about the grandparents' response to this, they were like, we're not even talking to them about this. And like, what we're doing is pretending it was a vacation because the kids were like two and four. Yeah, we can maybe make this not be have them experience this as a trauma. Right. So, everyone leave them the fuck alone. Right. Right. Right. And I think that's great. But even so,

I still think there's going to be a fingerprint of like some time. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. There's going to be some sort of PTSD. Yeah. But the reality doesn't matter to Alex. It's all about objects. And here we have a story that he can turn into being about the evil government taking your kids. So he doesn't give a fuck about what's what's actually what he's actually doing by supporting this guy is supporting domestic violence. Yeah. Yeah. I like, I like how he does all of that with just so they took away his kids and then a year later, he was tired of it. And so he went and got him. That's the end of the story for him. That doesn't sound right. No, because also prior to that, he was tired of it and showed a bit of foster home with a gun.

Yeah, but somehow I feel like Alex would have been would totally understand that move. Like Alex, if you were talking to Alex, I agree with you, but it's really absent from his coverage. If you were talking to Alex, he would be like, yeah, if somebody took my kids away, I'd go wherever they were with my gun and I'd be willing to kill anybody who got in the way of me and my kids and that kind of thing. And I understand the appeal of that line of thinking and that rhetoric, the the inseparability of parents and child, those archetypes. I understand that. And like, let's say if some gang of the mafia, your kid, then totally fine by all means, it's literally the plot of take it. If it's taken cool, there aren't like proper recourse in terms

of like systems where you can get your parental rights back with the mafia. They don't have those. The Cousin Oster do have hearings. They hold once a year to see if they can give competency hearings with the dawn or whatever. Anyway, I was the day of my daughter's wedding. I will give you back your child. I realized that this, like it really is just, it's a part of Alex's continuing coverage of the Global Swamp Take Your Kids. This weaves perfectly into it so he doesn't care about the details. And that was enough for me to like be, okay, that's why Alex is covering this. But the more he kept talking, the more I realized there was another reason. Oh no. And the reporters just all looked

extremely freaked out on singing in during the break right before we went live here. They were, this is just terrible. These anti-government people are despicable. Why, they don't believe the state owns the children and they don't believe we should be able to put hundreds of vaccines in them. And they don't like America being run by foreign, new world order. And worst of all, they had an infowars.com bumper sticker on their house. It is just absolutely horrible. There we go. Joshua Hakin was an info warrior. There it is. Gotta get out in front of that one. Gotta control the narrative on that one. Definitely don't want people. A reporter who showed up at his house, this dude's house, founded info wars bumper sticker

on the guy's mailbox. On the mailbox. Yes. What an asshole. So Alex has every reason to, as they say, protect the business. Yeah. Yeah. Protect the brand here. And what's interesting about this is like, if Alex ran into this guy on the street, and we've seen how he interacts with his fans, he runs away from them. Yeah. You run away from this dude in a second. That's just terrifying. Of course you run away. I choked my wife out to get rid of spirits. Also, I'm the pahana. Okay, cool. I gotta go. I like you. First off, I think I too think we are our ancestors. Sure. And then he jumps up his legs spin and he disappears in a cloud of smoke. He runs through a wall to get a fucking cartoon. Yeah. He can paint it a mural on the wall of a

long tunnel and he just goes straight through it. But because this guy is safely going to be in prison and his story can be manipulated and used to support whatever narratives Alex has, he's a hero. Yeah. And he's an info warrior. So they're trying to make all of us look bad. Right. He's probably the globalist to put that sticker on the mailbox. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. God, if I was the male person and I walked to that mailbox every day and saw that info or a sticker laying the mail on the ground, I think because there's no way I'm opening up that mailbox. I think that might be illegal. You think so? But that might have a fucking snake in it or a bomb or something. It's a snake. It's gonna just pop out. Don't try it on me. I think that any

disruption of the male service, regardless of who does it is a crime. Probably. I believe that's the case. Like it's one of those things. Like it's technically, I think, as I recall, it's a felony to like smash mailboxes. Yeah. Yeah. Much more serious crime than just like petty larceny. But they didn't put, you know, they didn't have weather rain nor sleet nor hail nor info wars bumper stickers. It was just the weather that they were talking about there. I think info wars bumper stickers are still open season for ignoring. You may have an argument here. So Alex talks a little bit more about this Josh situation. And this is really interesting, because he's tries to read an article about it. But listen very carefully, because there is a

certain point where he stops reading. And I know where that point is. Oh, no. The boys have been living since last year with their maternal grandparents, who were granted permanent custody a week ago. The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office alleges that Michael Haken, and it goes on from there. You know what it alleges? Oh, fuck you. Fuck you, Alex from 2013. That's right where it says that he tied the grandmother. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course it is. Of course, that's where they outline all the reasons that he shouldn't have his fucking kids. Right. And I want to play this again. Now that you know that listen to this and see how like, in the middle of a sentence, Alex stops reading because he's scanned ahead and like, Oh, that interferes with the narrative.

And then it goes on tied up the grandmother. Yeah, he's not gonna win the boys have been living since last year with their maternal grandparents, who were granted permanent custody a week ago. The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office alleges that Michael Haken, and it goes on from there. That's so fucking pathetic. Absolutely. That's pathetic, not least of which, because it does run our longstanding theory that he is 100% illiterate. Well, you can read ahead at least in 2013. My argument has never been that he's actually illiterate. It's that he lacks reading comprehension, right? Or he lacks bigger picture context skills, right, in terms of reading. He has a fucked up version of literacy. Yeah, just the actual words he can make out. But also it

demonstrates like, there's no preparation. Like he doesn't know this story at all before he starts reporting it. Because he would have known that like, this paragraph gets into the fact that this dude tied up a grandma. Yeah, that's no good. It's not great. God, that would really fuck him up too. If he Oh, my God, if he accidentally accidentally read it. Yeah. Oh, that'd been so good. Sometimes you got to tie up. Exactly. Trying to trying to twist the pretzel to get around that. That would be fun to watch. He's reading that. He's like, this is going to be too tough. It goes on from there. I do like it. I do like a good real time punt, you know, like in real time, he was like, Nope, not going to win that battle. No, move on. It's, it's pretty impressive. Like those editorial skills.

Yeah. Like, no, this is against the narrative. Nope, get it out of here. So we get back to a little bit of sandy hook talk here. And Alex is pretty much like spinning his wheels, trying to find ways to attack the mainstream media's story about Sandy Hook without going too far with it. And he finds something that he thinks is like indicative of a connection between so many of these school shootings that lends itself, I don't know, the appearance of maybe it's all staged event. And man, this is crazy stuff. This is the type of stuff they're doing. And I'm going to tell you, New Haven, Sandy Hook, it's got inside job written all over it. You look at Harris and Clyde Bold and all of these events. I mean, you know, the parents are always working for DARPA.

So his argument here is relying on a conspiracy theory that Adam Lanz's mother worked for DARPA. Yeah, I remember that one. Now I have no idea about the credence of anything I'm about to tell you. Okay, I want to make that caveat right up top. I want to give you that qualification and then we can take what we find. And from there, I will allow you and the audience to make their own conclusions. So like I said, Alex is talking about the idea that Adam Lanz's mom Nancy worked for DARPA. From all official accounts, I can find this is not true. Nancy was unemployed, having been awarded enough in alimony from her divorce to live without a job. I can find no sources that I find credible arguing that Nancy worked for DARPA. But I can find ones that I

don't find credible. Okay, making that claim. There are a lot of weird blogs and independently run conspiracy sites that claim Nancy moved to Newtown in order to work for DARPA. And without exception, they all base this on one source. But some of the posts you'll find on message boards will just cut off the attribution and make the claim. But it all traces back to one place. This source is an alleged report distributed to the Kremlin by the FSB, Russia's Intelligence Service. Sure. Fine. Fine. Of course. Why wouldn't it be the Russian Intelligence Service that leads to this bullshit? Don't get ahead of yourself. Okay. The earliest reporting that I can find on this is dated December 15, 2012, just after the shooting. There's no link to the FSB report that

I can find. And there's no substantiation for this outside of it just being asserted on a website called WhatDoesItMean.com. In order to gauge that site's editorial standards, I decided to check out their front page and see what news is there reporting. And here are some of their headlines. Michael Hakin, great guy. Quote, Russia mobilizes 12,000 troops after snake-like alien craft communicating with mysterious interstellar object attacks Norway. Right. I remember that. I remember when the... That's happening right now. That's happening right now. Right now. In 2019? Yes. Oh, I thought that was 2013. That's their top headline. Okay. All right. Here's one from a little while back. Quote, U.S. Army takes over Pentagon after U.S. Navy smuggles ISIS snipers

into America to kill Trump. Okay. Now, that is the type of ridiculous world I want to live in. Sure. I prefer that to the one we're living in currently. Because I'll tell you right now, if the Army and the Navy are currently in a death battle over who controls the Pentagon, they generally just have a high profile football game. Yeah. Yeah. And the Navy is smuggling in ISIS, which is like, why are you smuggling in ISIS? You're the Navy. We got to have... It's in the headline to kill Trump. So they do that. They do that. They've got that going. I'll tell you what, we don't have time to talk about Sean Spicer. That's what I'm saying right now. That's what I want to live in. Fair enough. This site is full of bullshit. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. But if you

look through the content that's posted on that site, it really feels like almost all of the stories are overtly pro-Russia and seem to start by citing unseen reports allegedly circulating in the Kremlin. And this is suspicious. Now, in the ensuing days after this report was published on December 15, 2012, the information made its way onto message boards and eventually to websites like Super Soldier Talk and sites with seemingly non-insane names, but are insane, like eutimes.net. There's absolutely zero doubt that Alex either got the information he's repeating from this site or someone reposting this site's content. It's absolutely the root of the theory from which all of the branches grow. Now, I don't believe the author of this site is relying on real Russian

intelligence reports to make their site. I don't know. That giant snake alien really reminds me of something. It's possible, but it also seems super unlikely to me. Probably. It seems more like the site is run by a real weirdo conspiracy theorist who relies on claiming FSB reports that you know no one can confirm or deny or anything like that in order to create the validity and the credibility of whatever bullshit you're putting out. Right. The site is alleged to be run by a person named Sorcha Fall, F-A-A-L, whose actual name is Sister Maria Teresa. What? You see, Sorcha Fall. What did you just say to me? Sorcha Fall is a title that's given to a person after they're elected to this position of leadership in a group known as

the Order of Sorcha Fall. Okay. And this woman is the, this Maria Teresa is the 73rd in the line of Sorcha Falls after her election in 2007. 73rd. 73rd. 73rd. Long line. How, what are their term limits? I don't know. I couldn't, I couldn't get that. Because if it's lifetime appointment, we are, we're dealing with some fucking Templar order is what we're dealing with right now. I think it's bullshit. Well, she is the only white friend to the Hopi. That is true. She is Pahana. Yeah. Many folks on message boards believe this to be a cover and that the real author of the site is a guy named David Booth. Many, many people don't think that that guy is telling the truth. Yeah. Some people believe it's a guy named David Booth, but you know, some people actually

think that David Booth himself is a cover for somebody else. Okay. It's a lot of bullshit. But the bottom line is this shit is shady as hell. And this is not a good source of information. If you're relying on this, you're in bad shape. I'm going to toss out this theory. Love it. Putin gets bored. So he likes to write fanfic. That's the, that's the goal right there. He's got all these secret intelligence reports from the Kremlin. So why not? I love it. See, I don't think it's a Russian intelligence front or anything like a Putin, live journal. I don't, I don't think so. All right. I'll have to read it further. For one reason, I think that they would do a much better job with the site,

which looks like a geocities nice nightmare. It's just a disaster. Okay. That aspect of this isn't really important to me though, but what is that Alex is accepting this information is true. And legitimately the only place that it could be coming from is this website. We can see it in that when we look at this April 2013 period, Alex is in the process of changing his mind and his coverage about Sandy Hook. And one of the things he's decided is credible is information being put out by the 73rd sort of fall. This is nuts. Yeah. No one is convincing him of this. No one has come on the show and told him this piece of information. Alex is introducing it to the show himself, presenting it as something credible. And that's

really fucked up. The only two possibilities here that I think, I think this covers all possible realities. One is he got the information directly or second hand from the site himself and thought it was cool. Right. Or two, someone told him that lands his mom worked for DARPA and he did literally no work in trying to substantiate it before repeating it on air. Yeah. This shit is embarrassing. But this lack of any kind of standard for disseminating very serious information is also really dangerous. And we're seeing it right here. We're seeing this like this lack of editorial standard in any way, just really like what he's he's because he wants to say the globalist want to take the kids. He's defending this completely insane domestic violent weirdo who

has an info or sticker on his mailbox. And then because he wants to cast suspicion about Sandy Hook and claim that Adam lands his mom worked for DARPA, he's taking information that's been laundered from a fake Russian intelligence report on a completely insane website. Right. It almost seems like having a thing that you want to be true. And then just searching the internet scouring for any possible proof of that might lead you to say wrong, evil, dumb things. Yeah. Or as I like to call it, right wing media. That's one of the reasons why I'm really glad that I started out this show with a like openness to Alex being right about some things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not I've not set out to prove him wrong about things. It just happens. Yeah.

It's just well, it's just like Thomas Jefferson said, this guy, Alex is fucking stupid. Yeah. I think now it's just become habit to like it's it's like it's so consistent that he's just wrong about all this shit that it seems like I'm setting out to debunk him right now. It's it's just a it's just that situation of if you are doing anything and you have already decided what the end game is, and you will ignore literally anything else along the way in order to get to that end game, you're you're just that's pointless. Like any study, any study that's paid for by the fucking Koch brothers where they're like, ah, see, we actually found a small ice age in, is all built around the idea that we saw this little weird bit of data. So recontextualize it so we can lie

about it. That's all we want to do. We don't want to find out anything that we don't want to be true. The small version of that is Alex finding a story about a guy fleeing to Cuba. Exactly. It's like, well, now it turns out everybody is has their kids vulnerable to the state or whatever. There's an ice age in for a few years. So that means that the entire fucking government and science establishment is trying to lie to us in order to get fucking carbon taxes. Yeah, that's it. So Alex is really mad on this episode this April 9th about Obama meeting with the Sandy Hook families and he thinks that they're using them as props in order to achieve their gun control agenda. Right. Taking the guns, which now let me check my watch. It's 2019. How we doing still hasn't happened at

all now. So here is Alex talking about how Obama uses fake polls in order to make his arguments. All right. So Obama quotes some university poll government funded poll that no other polls show that 90% of people support quote background checks that are really registration for confiscation. Criminals go out and get their guns regardless. Menly ill people are just going to steal them like Adam Lanza did if you even believe he's not a total patsy. Cool. So in that clip, you get a really interesting glimpse into how Alex twists things on multiple levels, multiple axes, if you will. The first move is saying that the stats Obama cited are from a government poll. He then further impunes the numbers by saying that they're out of line with every other poll. Then he

recontextualizes the poll itself by saying that the background checks are actually just registration for confiscation. These are all things he's doing without providing any evidence or support, nothing. He's just attacking the statistic without doing any work he needs to do in order to refute it. As we're calling the poll a government poll, that's a meaningless attack. The polls that Obama were using were Gallup polls. And if Alex is saying that Gallup is just controlled by the government, then what he's doing is just trying to wage a full scale war on any semblance of a shared reality that's measured by statistical analysis. Yeah, it's a good thing that would never work. That Gallup analysis found that support for all of Obama's planned initiatives to deal with

gun violence was overwhelmingly positive. 91% would vote for criminal background checks on all gun sales. 82% would vote for increased government spending for mental health programs for the youth. 75% would vote for an increased criminal penalty for people who buy guns for people who couldn't pass a background check. Right. 60% would vote for the reinstatement of the assault weapons ban. These were ideas that Obama had proposed, but Gallup pulled people specifically neutrally by not connecting the plans to Obama in their questioning. Yeah, and the moment they fucking connected it to Obama, it's like 50% fucking fuck these people. It probably dropped, but I don't know, I didn't see any poll that tried it with Obama's name to see the discrepancy. Well,

it's what they did with the ACA. Every time they pulled without mentioning that. Calling it Obamacare versus ACA where there was differences. But sorry for interrupting. Oh, that's right. But the way you sort of neutralize that effect is by just saying, like, do you support this position as opposed to do you support Obama's position? Yeah. And that's what they did. And they found overwhelming support for all of it. That's very hard for Alex to deal with. So he just says it's a government poll, and now he doesn't have to deal with the fact that it's he himself is an extreme outlier. Yeah. As to the question of whether or not this result is in line with other poll results. I don't know what he's talking about. Polling has been very consistent in showing huge support

for these sorts of measures. Yeah, a couple of things to discuss. Gallup takes his track, they take a track of historical trends. And one question they've asked in polls since 1990 is quote, in general, do you feel that laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict or kept as they are now? In the entire history of asking that question, the percent of saying that say less strict has never been more than 14% and is regularly less than 10. The side saying more strict has only been under 50% seven times in the entire history of polling that question. And it's never been lower than 43%. Their polls have shown massive support for background checks universally over a long span of time. Dan, that can't be true. We live

in a democracy. So it seems like if a large majority of people support something, there's no way that it couldn't be passed into law. We live in a republic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Perhaps a corrupt republic, a kleptocratic nightmare oligarchy. Well, when you, I mean, I don't know. Yes. If it was just put to a raw vote of the public. Yes, absolutely. These things would be taken care of easily. And when you compare those results that Gallup has historically to other polls, you see that it's not an outlier at all. Quinnipiac's June 2017 study found 94% approval for background checks. Washington University's July 2016 found 84%. There's literally nothing I can find to support the idea that Alex is advancing, namely that there's credible

polls showing lower support for background checks for gun purchasing, which is why he needs the last element, the reframing of background checks just to be about regulation for confiscation. And honestly, I can't do anything with that kind of paranoia. You can just run wild with that shit if you want to. Like you shouldn't have to do a background check when I apply for a job. That's just letting the government know where I work so they can get me fired. You shouldn't do a background check when I try to rent an apartment. That's just telling the government where I live so they can send a drone at me for being a patriot. In life, there are times when submitting to a background check are pretty understandable and necessary. If your real problem is that you

think that this is some kind of a registration, then you should be politically moving to help shape the system that the background checks take place in. You should be pushing for background checks that are not kept on file. You should be advocating for the background checks to be as anonymized as possible with no data retention. What you shouldn't do if you're a same person is pretend that background checks are the same thing as confiscation, because ultimately what you're doing then is actively supporting people who can't pass background checks getting guns. If that's what you're all about, cool. But don't try to act like you're in favor of responsible gun ownership then because you're not. You're lying. You're literally in favor of irresponsible gun ownership.

And you fall back on the criminals who get guns anyway. It's like you're being a nihilist about this. Yeah, no shit. It's insane. Look, look, look, but also you're gonna get shot. So why try and not get shot? Huh? That doesn't make any sense. But also I'm saying like own that position. Yeah. Like don't try to pretend that you're in favor of law abiding honest good people owning guns. You're eroding a system where there could be checks and controls in place. You can't own that position. There are less than 10% of the rest of the country that agrees with you. You have to lie about your position and pretend that you're in the majority in order to trick enough of those idiots into following along with your dumb bullshit that they don't agree with. I mean, it's it's just it's just

a mess. So on this episode, I think we've seen like a good bit of Alex kind of like just being full of shit about various things trying to lead his audience to believe that Joshua Haken is a hero, particularly, you know, lying about things passing along the idea that Nancy worked for DARPA based on this dumb blog. Yeah. So this clip I find particularly funny. You see, you've got the globalist that know they've got a public. You got two different publics. You've got a public that's awakened aware. And then you've got the public that literally are as dumb as the day is long, the most gullible, soft, stupid, pathetic on the government dole. And I don't just mean welfare people. I mean, all the government types. Sure. So there's two

publics. There's Alex is awakened aware people. And then there's the dumb, dumb, right? Don't agree with him. I imagine he thinks one of those is more important and should have more power than the other one. I assume so. Yeah. Also, I wonder if that's buzz marketing for Kerry Cassidy's awakened aware conference is the name of her conference. So this is a wacky Wednesday after right? There we go. So Alex, when he talks about gun stuff, one of the things that he always brings up is this idea that it's been proven that guns reduce crime, which we have established previously in multiple episodes that it is not. We've talked about some of that stuff, but I don't think we've actually talked about his specific statistic that he always cites. Oh,

okay. So he brings that up in this clip. And then I want to talk about it a little bit. I mean, they've taken the guns everywhere else. They're in control. That needs to be the message everywhere you're in control. You use these arguments to register and then confiscate. And everywhere you're in control in America, you've totally taken the guns, shut up liars and stop lying to me and stop pinning those dead kids on me when you made it to gun free zone and you advertised it for the place for your Prozac heads to go kill people. You shouldn't be. Hey, be reasonable. Don't blame me for that. Crimes drop 49% because a gun ownership going up. Why are you blaming us? Man, you're stupid. They're not stupid. They're not stupid. They

know what they're doing. So that's one of Alex's favorite talking points. You see it all the fuck over the place. That's one I've heard him scream about pretty consistently in any time period of the show that I've listened to that idea that there's a 49% drop in violent crime that was caused by people having more guns. This again is an instance of Alex being completely illiterate when it comes to how statistics work. The part of this that's true is that during the time span of 1993 to 2013, private gun ownership numbers went up and the violent crime rate went down. Both of these are correct. But what Alex has failed to do in any way is demonstrate causation. There's no reason to believe that just because two things happened around the same time as each

other or even at the same time as each other that they're somehow related. No, there's a famous saying correlation equals causation. Everybody says it all the time, Dan. There's a whole website dedicated to really weird correlated phenomena that aren't causally linked in any way. It's created by a guy named Tyler Vigeon and he's tracked these really bizarre connections and found things like there's a 99.26% correlation between 2000 and 2009 in the divorce rate in Maine and the per capita consumption of margarine. Oh, that makes sense. It's a very strong correlation. That really makes sense. There's also a 95% correlation from 1999 to 2010 and the marriage rate in Kentucky and the number of people who drowned after falling out of a fishing boat.

Yeah, no, of course. When you get married in Kentucky sooner or later, you're going to drown. Well, but sooner or later wouldn't make it so immediate. The time was matched amazingly. Well, I mean, a lot of people in Kentucky go on honeymoon fishing trips. So there you go. Anyway, he wrote a book about this called Spurious Correlations, which if nothing else is demonstrative of how just because two numbers run similar paths or appearingly correlated paths, that doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other. People who have studied it point the gun violence drop and the violent crime drop and gun ownership increase. They point to other variables that explain the drop as being possible post 1993, which was a high point. One major

factor is that the post World War two baby boom generation had just passed the age brackets that are most statistically likely to be high crime ages. Right. The baby boomers just stopped killing people. Well, the lowering of crime is partially attributable to that massive block of population aging out of the high crime periods in people's lives. No, it's like 18 to 40 or whatever is when you're 16 to 40 or something like that. And once you're past 40, there's a huge drop in whether or not when you're older, you're much less likely to commit violent crimes. It's just harder to stab people. It's just really tired. Yeah. No, I like to be in bed by nine. I can't commit crimes after that. Another element is that the economy was improving and natural by

product of that is a drop in crime. Other folks have theories about how the drop was partially fueled by increased access to abortion. So people were able to control their family size. Freak economics or those two dudes. I don't know if it was specifically them, but they might have also touched on that. Yeah, they helped to popularize that. Okay. And then also decreased exposure to lead is another big factor that people point to that again, those aren't proven, but there are theories that people have put forth who have actually studied these numbers. Other not so great factors are in the mix too, like the soaring rates of incarceration for nonviolent offenders. Right. Like that's just a huge population of people who are now in a controlled

environment. Which is not in and of itself a good thing. No, it's terrible. But you have a net less population. Yeah. So what Alex has failed to do in any way is take these other factors into account, preferring instead to just take this statistic that crime dropped 49% in a period of time that gun ownership has risen. And he's decided that guns were the reason that the rate dropped. This isn't how serious people approach stats. If serious people, they have looked at the issue, and they found the exact opposite conclusion from what Alex has come up with. Most notably in that 2017 Stanford study that showed that states that pass right to carry laws experience a 13 to 15% increase in violent crime. So I don't, I just, the essential piece of

this is when you look at what Alex is doing, he's taking a correlation and implying causation, and he does no work in any way to establish that. He doesn't have any study to show like, oh, it is true that, you know, more guns equals less crime. Right. People who have looked at it from that viewpoint, the relationship between the more guns and less crime, they look at it from a standpoint of rising crime makes people buy more guns. Right. Right. They look at it from almost their analysis of the statistics shows almost the opposite of what Alex is saying, is that crime motivates people to buy guns, as opposed to gun buying leads people to do less crime. Right. So all I'm saying is Alex is just being fast and loose, dodging around, being,

being shifty. It just, it just flies in the face of the one like truth that I don't, I don't see ever changing, which is that the more like, if you make the means by which to do something more prevalent, it makes it more likely that something will happen. If you make, if you give people more guns, it makes it more likely that gun violence is going to happen. That's, that's been true forever. That is human reality. And to argue the opposite of that goes against something that's fundamental and basic in humans. And I will never trust any argument otherwise. Okay. It's just not, it's just true. You have drawn your line in the same. That's pretty much it. All right. So Alex has a theory and that is that Obama needs to take the guns now

because Alex and his Patriot buddies are becoming ascendant in the world. And he needs to disarm them because they're winning. Like Alex is winning. Not yet. I mean, he will later. He's fucking winning 2013. He wasn't doing that's why Obama needs to take his guns fair enough. They had to get the guns now because they know we're rising and so they're putting everything they've got. Folks, this is the full enemy. This is the battle of the bulge. They're launching their Nazi counter offensive because we're kicking their butt. That's enough. Get that traitor off there. Get him off there. That's not our president. That's a foreign new world order collaborator. Vici French agent. Yeah. So, I mean, this happens a lot throughout time. Just the like, this is it kind of mentality,

but it's, it's very consistent in this time period. Yeah. Like he, he pulls that out a lot in, in like, especially we saw it in the 2016 election season, I think very consistently afterwards. Like he's been very regularly, like we are on the, the precipice all the fucking time. Yeah. But you're seeing a massive ramp up of that. Like this is the battle of the bulge. It's happening. This is the full assault and I don't know. That's the clip I want to play for anybody who buys into that Biden bullshit of like, no, we should reach across the aisle. You know, once we return to normalcy, we'll be able to listen to that clip. No one's reaching across the aisle to Alex. No one is. No, no, that's, but that's the, that's the microcosm.

That's the weakest link part that I'm saying. They're not listening to you. Listen to Obama talk. They can't, they just can't. They'll yell over it. Call him a Vici French collaborator. Exactly. All he's doing is being like, maybe fewer kids should die and they're like, that's because you're a fucking Nazi. You're like, all right, fucking fine. Leave me alone. That's the reality of it. There's, and maybe, maybe it'll change, but fuck off by maybe fuck off Biden. Well, I think we can agree on that. Yeah. That, uh, corn pop story was pretty good though. I'll say that it was a pretty good story. It was a good story. That's our political takes of the day. Yep. So Alex, like I've, I've singled out this because I know that it be, it's probably pretty

difficult and I don't know if I could actually even convey this in clips. Like even if I played you a hundred clips, I'm not sure that I could fully express to you the ramping up of extremeness that's going on in this April time period, maybe even a little bit into the end of March, but it's very specifically happening right here in the timeframe that we're talking about. Yeah. It is very easy to hear a clip like the last one we played where like they have to take our guns because we're rising. We're the best. Obama is not my president. He's a Vishi collaborator. You could hear that and be like, oh, it's kind of similar to stuff. Alex says a lot and I accept that. Right. But I have to, I have to stress if you listen to these episodes in their entirety,

you do notice that this is getting much more extreme. There is an amplification and Alex is even explicit about the fact that he is getting more extreme. He talks about it. Okay. And in this next clip, one of the things that I think is really important is that Alex ties that growing extremeness. I need to come up with another word for it, but that growing radical edge that he has on his show with sales, which is one of the contentions that the people in the Sandy Hook lawsuits are making is that he profited off of this sort of coverage. Right. And if you listen to this next clip, you get some indications that they may have a point up at info or store.com. And when you purchase and buy from the Patriots from the good guys,

you fund the overall resistance because make no mistake. You see me charging in 110% here in this fight. I'm not playing it safe here because there's no future if we don't double and triple down. He's also said at other times like that he is going more like he's getting more intense and like things, you know, it's he's saying that you got to pay me. You got to you got to buy my shit because that fuels my ability to go 110% in this no holds barred shit. I think there's and it's interesting to me because the, the extremeness that he's presenting as we discussed on our last episode, it doesn't just apply to Sandy Hook issues like that's the one that's the one area that has led to legal action now. But if there were like VA doctors or ministers who were

harassed by Alex Jones's fans, yeah, like I could see them suing him for what he did at this period just as easily. Yeah, I agree. It's it's a broader behavior that's going on. And it just so happened that maybe it caught on with the people who wanted to harass and target Sandy Hook families. And I don't see any way to get around the fact that he's tying that ramping up of things to the financials of the business. That's one thing that I've thought about with the lawsuit pretty, because when we're talking about that kind of situation, that's where we get into that correlation causation issue. I don't know how you can prove that specifically the Sandy Hook stuff increased his profits. Right. You know what I'm saying? I agree. Like it's all included in there.

Like obviously talking about Sandy Hook did lead to sales in the same way that talking about fucking Joshua Hakin has led to sales, you know. Sandy Hook was part of a concerted strategy that is taking shape at this time. They were one of the victims and one of the targets of this broader thing that's going on with his, fuck it, we're at the Battle of the Bulge nonsense. Right. We're in the middle of this civil war. So yeah, I don't know how you sort of differentiate between that. Right. Other than to take it as a totality, in which case, I suppose that means that not only do doctors and VA officials who harass have standing, but it's morally imperative for them to join the class action. Yeah. Well, the problem there is that like

from what I understand about the lawsuits is the only reason that this sort of extends the statute of limitations is that Alex re-broad up some of these things. Okay. And so the Sandy Hook people are able to sue him using stuff from beyond the statute of limitations to inform things that he said within the right. I got you. I'm not positive that all of that applies to the myriad groups that Alex is working with here. I would say it's possible that you could make an argument. I mean, he complains about the Glitterbug mainstream globalist churches all the time in the present day. Anti-vaxx or bullshit going after doctors and all the like there. I don't know specifically VA doctors, but as non legally literate people, I think it'd be tough for us to know what constitutes that.

But it's, yeah, I think the more important point is like you look at this and it's very clear that on a level he is trying to benefit from the behavior that led to the treatment that the Sandy Hook people got. Absolutely. Yes. The inspiration for this behavior was profit based. So you know what I'm saying? You can make an argument that it is. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. And internal documents. Right. Only God forgives. Right. Yeah. But despite the fact that it is a more universal behavior that we're talking about, it is also still specifically Sandy Hook focused. And Alex plays a video of Sandy Hook victims talking about their experience. And I'm not going to play any of that because I mean, it's just family members saying this was a horrifying event. We don't need

any disgusting bull. Here's Alex's response after this video. And I got to tell you the way that people talk, they've been totally coached. Remember Peter Parker where he's sitting there and he's going, yeah, I'll do a great job. Oh, cameras on. I'm sorry, sir. I didn't send my kid to a victim disarmament zone. Stop blaming me for what the federal government did making it a gun free zone. So first of all, Peter Parker is Spider-Man. That's what I was about to ask. He's talking about Robbie Parker. And again, we have this continuation of now it's okay for him to make fun of this grieving father, as opposed to defending him when a caller calls in and suggests he's an actor saying these people are coached is right. That's the putting your toe into the water

of the actor shit. Yep. He's teasing. He's getting around that. Because logically who somebody has to be coaching them if they are coached, somebody has to be coaching them. Somebody needs to have a reason and so on and so on. And at the same time, what you see is an escalation of this cruelty, this mocking him, making it okay to look at these people as not victims, make it look okay for the audience to see them as people worthy of derision, people worthy of making fun of their implying that they're faking emotion. Like that is exactly what we're talking about. That's exactly the behavior. That's the early stages of the exact behavior that we're we've been looking for this entire time. Absolutely. And it's happening right

in front of our eyes. And when you see like the things that seem to be leading to it are Obama talked to them. Steve Pachanik's coming around. He read a dumb blog that claimed it had a Russian intelligence report by sorts of fall. It's it's very sad. It's it's a it's a really shitty super villain that sucks. It's really heartbreaking. But one thing you would expect from Alex, like he's an expert, right? I mean, he studies all the time. He knows the globalist plan backwards, forwards, upside down, all of it. So you would expect that he would know exactly what he's talking about. He'd remember all of his talking points. He'd remember his narratives. He knows the books he's read. But unfortunately, this happens. They hate fathers, they hate families,

they hate children. And that's why I have the White House science are I'll show it to you in the next segment of your TV viewer, radio listener, eco science, where they said we're going to use diet injections and junctions to dumb you down. We're going to put stuff in your water. Now they've got hundreds of shots they want to give kids. So shots, shots, shots, shots. This is a good demonstration of how little Alex cares about his own bullshit. He's claiming that John P. Holdren's book eco science discusses diet injections and injunctions to control the public. And I really honestly think this is a result of him never reading the things he rants about reading all the time. When he's talking about isn't a reference

to eco science, the textbook that John P. Holdren wrote, that's a line that Alex always misuses from Bertrand Russell in his book, the impact of science on society. We've talked about this a bunch of times, like Alex is just taking that line entirely out of context. Russell was talking about the re like really bad stuff that could come up if for instance, the Nazis had been more scientifically advanced as a dictatorship. He's not advocating for these things. But because he's discussing them, Alex has decided he's secretly actually saying that the globalists are doing these things, which is fucking stupid. And guess what? I didn't have to look any of this up to remember it. We've we've been down this road. I heard him talk about eco science and the diet

injections and junctions like, Oh, you mismatched references, buddy. My big point here is that Alex doesn't even care about getting his fake things right. And amazingly, it seems like a bunch of his audience doesn't care either. Fuck it, John P. Holdren, Bertrand Russell, who gives a shit. It's crazy. Yeah. If you have like this really, like, revolutionary world shaking information that you've uncovered, but a plan to depopulate the planet and kill off everybody seems like you'd know what you're talking about. Keep your ducks in a row. Yeah. And he doesn't. That seems to me an indication that like this isn't real. Right. Well, I think I mean, it's easier to get away with that shit because his listeners generally are

looking for like a emotional validation. They have no interest in the intellectual side of it. They just want to understand and have their anger and fear and paranoia mirrored back to them in an acceptable way, as opposed to being like, I need to think about what this guy's saying. No, I just need to get the general vibe of how he's angry. That's what I really want. I don't need I'm not going to I'm not going to do a homework for info wars, but you should because you should. Of course you should. It's literally what in the name. Yeah, it is. So about an hour of this episode is dedicated to Alex doing an interview with anthrax guitarist Dan Spitz. Yeah. And his wife, Candy, about the evils of vaccination. He's not the one.

No, the bassist is the one who looks like friend of the show, Mike Wiley, right? That's Scott Ian. Scott Ian. Yeah. Shout out to friend of the show, Mike. Dan Spitz is another guy. Oh, shit. This is a huge deal. I forgot. Wiley's album recording is Thursday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. This is not the time to do plus second album came up. Yeah. Check it out. It's over it with, uh, uh, Drufki over to the two brothers. Yeah. And I'll be opening for him. Oh, forgot. I'm really bad at plugging glad anthrax. Yeah. No kidding. Otherwise I never would have said it. Yeah. Thursday tickets still available. Probably. Anyway, this, uh, is not a good interview. Yeah. And it's pointless. I don't want to, I don't want to

listen to any of it. It's just the standard nonsense, but also they're not nearly as extreme as Alex about the vaccination evils and the depopulation agenda. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a couple of points where he brings up something and then there's just silence on the other end of the phone where they're like, I don't know, especially from Candy, the wife. Also, I don't want to bring this up, uh, because I looked into them a little bit and they might, they're a mess. They might be terrorists. It's might be a really bad dude. I don't want to get into it. Okay. All right. Look that up yourself. He might be someone that Alex specifically shouldn't be having on his show. And we just talked about Josh Hakin. Yeah. And I'm not saying this dude's a globalist.

I'm saying there might be other things in his past that Alex yikes. Yeah. So Alex starts ranting about school shootings. Uh, and again, this goes back to what I was talking about, about tying the heightening extremism with the sales. There is a very clear thing that's happening and it wasn't happening before. Like this is kind of new to this April 9th episode. He seems to be trying to take the heightened elevated nature of what he's doing and push it towards, uh, marketing opportunities. And from the mass shootings, they stage and set up by making them gun free zones, victim disarmament mass killer zones, teach the kids to crouch over in a good ball so the killer can get the maximum number of dead so they can hopefully get our guns next time.

Well, guess what? We're on to you and this is boomerang back on you. By the way, I want to announce the info wars.com info wars health.com, uh, health challenge. I'm challenging listeners to get healthy in the face of the new world order in the month of April. And let's, let's put info wars health up there on screen for folks. Uh, again, I'm challenging listeners to go to info wars health.com and sign up and try the great products like beyond tangy tangerine, the alex pack, the healthy start pack, pollen burst, pollen burst, uh, plus that's all like, that's insane. That is an absurd kind of juxtaposition. Yeah. Of what he's doing. Yeah. Normally like the ad pivots are always bad, but to go from like, well, they victim

to disarmament zones and they turn your kids into a ball and then massive maximum damage. And then also I'm trying to get everybody healthy. I'm challenging you. I want challenging you to buy our products. Also, uh, you know what? While we're at it, let's do the ice bucket challenge. I will do anything for people to buy more shit. Anything, please. That's fucking disgusting. Yeah. And then you can see just kind of a clear path here. Like a clear connection between these ideas. Also, you can see that his ad pivots aren't quite there yet. No, but they're coming way better. They're coming into the modern form. We've seen a couple instances of the, uh, what would you call it? The, uh, modern alex pivot, the, uh, the yelling right into everybody's going to die and

we're all going to lose our mind and everything is going to be and now we have the Easter sale in his 50% off. You fucked it up. He always says briefly. Yeah, that's right. That's right. I forgot briefly. Oh, like the more recent days and the more, more, uh, present days, he always pretends like briefly. I need to tell you about, uh, I'm writing more. So I'm trying to get control of my adverb usage. Okay. I understand that is wisely for you to do. Didn't quite work. It's really close though. So towards the end of this episode, uh, on April 9th, Alex has Mike Adams come in, uh, the health ranger again, have to remind you health ranger. Yes. Yeah. And so they talk about Bitcoin. Of course. Of course. Normal thing for the health ranger to chime in on.

And I don't think it's really that, uh, uh, interesting conversation. I actually kind of agree with them on a number of points, uh, which I'll discuss after this clip, because I think that this clip is revelatory. I think it exposes so much about how Alex Jones thinks. So they will try to strangle this in the crib. They may even be pumping money into it, uh, so that they can then dump it later. Uh, I mean, if they didn't, look, I think like the enemy. If I was the enemy, I'd do that. That is so right. Like that's so revealing. Oh yeah. So Alex has his little interview with Mike Adams about Bitcoin and, uh, you know, this is a completely unrelated field to the non-medicine. Mike Adams claims to be well-versed and don't

know why he's, uh, coming in as an expert. It's amazing the range Alex's guests have, so long as the subjects are all weird and completely speculative. Yeah. Anyway, their basic point, uh, isn't one, like I said, that I'm too interested in or I disagree with too much. They're basically just saying that Bitcoin may be a good thing and they support decentralized currencies, but they're skeptical. In the clip, uh, there you can hear Alex speculating that the central banks and the federal reserve, they're in the pump stage of a pump and dump with Bitcoin. I'll just let him have his, his fun with that theory. Whatever. What I think is important is his reason for his theory. Quote, I think like the enemy, if I was the enemy, I'd do that.

That's so fucking revealing. Yeah. He has literally no evidence to support his conjecture that the Fed is artificially inflating Bitcoin to bring about an eventual crash, but he feels like that's the case because he's decided what the enemy is, how they think, how they operate. And he's decided that that's what he would do if he was them. When you take into account that his enemies are imaginary and all of his primary sources don't say what he thinks they do, you really have to consider what that Alex comes up with his ideas about the globalists and what they're up to through sheer imagination. He's imagined a villain and he just says, what would I do if I were them? I really felt like this was what he

was doing for a long time, but I've never heard him so clearly express that mentality as in that last clip. Like the globalists don't want to depopulate the planet, but Alex would if he were them. Exactly. The globalists don't plan to elaborate false flag shooting hoaxes to take guns away, but Alex would if he were them. All this shit is Alex projecting. Everything is in his head. Yeah, this is all nonsense. Well, and, and, but that's, we've talked about that a few times in the past of like how revealing it is when they say what the enemy is doing. Because like, like how many times do right wing people are, they're like, Oh, the Democrats are, are stealing votes and they're shipping in illegals in order to steal elections and all that shit.

And we see none of that actually happening on the Democratic side, but every voter suppression effort, every attempt to rig an election, just Chris Kobach's continued existence, like all of that shit, you see, Oh, well, they are ascribing it to us in order to justify why they do it themselves. Right. Because they just want to. Right. I mean, it's a time honored tradition of fascists and bullies. Yeah. Like why are you hitting yourself? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's pathetic. We're all going to die. Yeah. That is probably true. So we get to the 10th and there's not much going on here because I'll be honest with you about an, oh, let's say two hours of this show is David Knight and Jacarie Jackson

coming in as guests, like to co-host with Alex because they had been out to a gun control rally. Okay. And there was a guy with a, you're going to try and take my guns type sign. Sure. And councilman Mike Martinez of Austin got on the mic and said, Hey, to that, to that guy who's trying to get himself a bunch of attention. There is no gun confiscation going on. But once we make some moves, keep that sign because you're going to need it later. That's a good move. I like that. That was essentially the point. He's like, Hey, you're protesting the wrong thing, but yeah, my hope. And Alex, I guess rightfully is like, he's showing his cards that, you know, like, okay, yes, that guy is absolutely saying that he is

aiming for eventual gun confiscation. But Alex projects that into being like, that's what everything is about. Right. Just a little bit unearned. They try and create a victim out of this guy who's holding the sign. They try and say that he wasn't trying to get attention for himself and that he was the victim of people poking him. I don't know. It's a long time they talk about this. And Alex targets Mike Martinez in a weird way that I've never heard his fucking name before. I have no idea who this guy is. And Alex is like, he's one of the, he's one of the leaders of this movement. Sure. Sure. Anytime there's any attention by the media given to any, even if it's a local news story, anybody, he's like, Oh, well, actually, I've known about this guy forever. And he is 100

years. He is a 73rd. He's actually Adam Weishop with a mask. What the fuck? It's, it's just, it's laborious and getting through it would be no good. And David Knight is boring in 2019. What do you think he's doing in 2013? When he had less chops? Well, he was, he was younger, man. He had more energy. He didn't have that much gray in his beard back then, right? I regret to inform you he did not have more energy. Jacarie Jackson's fine. He's, he's on board with info wars shit. Like he's, but the only thing good about him is his fucking voice is amazing. Jacarie's voice. His voice is great. Yeah. He has a great radio voice. That's fantastic. But he's just saying the exact same shit. And also fairly boringly. Like he's still a kind of young guy. Yeah. You know,

he can handle the nightly news and shit, but being on Alex's show itself where there's clearly way more listeners, right? It does stakes are higher. Yeah. Both of them seem to be a little bit like this is the big leagues. Right. And that's very weird. That is strange. Yeah. But also they don't seem to enjoy Alex that much, which I think is a kind of a trend. Yeah. Like they don't seem to caught into his bullshit, which is how this episode is going to end. Yeah. But it doesn't make for like really interesting content. Like the show itself is incredibly boring and getting through it was fucking tough. There's so much David Knight talking. I can't believe that. How, how? I imagine what David Knight was at like 25. And I still see him being the same boring as like

monotone shitty talker that he is. And I just don't understand. He's apparently a big libertarian. Sure. But why would you hire that guy to put him on the fucking radio? Because there's a strategy involved. It's it's trying to penetrate other markets that Alex doesn't really have access to. David Knight is really your attempt to get old people. Your attempt to get people who don't like how Alex yells all the time. Oh, okay. You filter your content through David Knight in a boring, calm. Well, here's somebody. Somebody who's like, I want, I want a racist host, but I don't want to hear him yell about it. Someone who has the presentation of a milk toast, just straight newsman, fair, that kind of thing. And then you get Owen Schreuer in the mix, because you need

somebody who's kind of theoretically interesting to the youth, right, the younger set, right. That's that's the strategy that's a book. So in this next clip, Alex, we're into the 10th. And Alex just, I mean, as we start up here with the 10th, I just want to give you a little bit of a tone of how Alex is feeling. This isn't just a republic, ladies and gentlemen. This is Sparta. If you want to use the 300 analogy, but it's not 300 movies, hundreds of thousands in every state who are sitting back, watching what's happening, and everything's being confirmed for them. And they are locked and they are loaded. And I want to tell the Federal Reserve in the New World Order something, you are not going to get away with this. You may be able to kill Ron Paul

or kill Alex Jones and wipe out the leadership. And the reason you haven't done that yet is because you know what that'll do. That'll energize us 110%. Okay, we're powering up against your revolution against our republic. We're energizing, we're rising. That's why you desperately went for the guns. It's why you staged Aurora. It's why you stage Sandy Hook. You think you're going to get away with this just because you've got space planes with D.U. Sabo's just because you've got cruise missiles. All that stuff is worthless against the population. So I mean, we've gotten into now like that unintended consequences shit like that militia book about killing the police. So like, yeah, yeah, tons of these people locked and loaded, right? It's very threatening. It's very

threatening. So in this next clip, Alex, it continues his beef with Glenn Beck, but love it, but the way this lays out like you got to listen to every every word. Okay, Mike down for sure. It's so stupid. My wife calls me this morning. I'm driving into work about 9am and she goes, Hey, I just turned into Glenn Beck on local radio and your local affiliate. And he's talking about how they're going to take everybody's guns who's ever been on any type of anti anxiety medication. I said, yeah, that's our story from last night. So I pulled over and I already knew and I went to Drudge and there was our article. So I'm Drudge right now, middle column and I tune in and he's reading it still. This is like three minutes later, going back to pieces, not saying it's from

mfo wars.com. And you know, here's the deal. And I'm not saying it came from Drudge report.com. My issue, maybe I missed it, but she, it's just, it's, it's any time I tune in. So all the time that Alex tunes in to Glenn Beck, he's covering Alex's stories while at the same time saying that Alex is crazy, but also he might have said that it came. Remember, I didn't hear it. I don't know. He wasn't listening. I don't know. He wasn't listening. I mean, it could be. I'm going to make a claim and then walk it back immediately and say, I have no reason to assume that Glenn didn't say this. I will guarantee to every one of you 100% that Glenn Beck is plagiarizing my material and he is not absolutely not 100% not citing this source. Now, I don't know that

cause I haven't listened to the show. He may have actually cited that source, but I guarantee you 100%. He is absolutely never citing that sort. Also he, Alex, like his whole business model on info wars.com is like using other people's articles. He does like, he does cite where the article came from, but he doesn't have permission to repost in whole these articles that came up not too long ago. Like maybe a year or two back. He was, I don't think he got in trouble for it, but it was like a thing. Like he reposted it entirely. He constantly does that from various news outlets without permission, but I don't know. I don't care. I feel like if Glenn Beck said this and Alex didn't hear it, who cares if he's also covering this story

as reported by another outlet and Alex just thinks it's him covering info wars. I don't care. Right. If he's ripping off info wars, I also don't care. Right. I'm struggling to find an angle with where I do care. The only angle is Alex being like, he ripped me off. I know this. I, maybe he said it and I didn't hear it. That's basically it. It's the overconfidence and then the admission of, I don't really know. I don't know what I'm talking about. So David Knight and Jacari are in studio for like most of this episode. It's boring. Sure. The only things that I really think are interesting are this clip where Alex asks David Knight what he thinks about Sandy Hook. Okay.

What does your gut tell you about Sandy Hook and Aurora? I think it's false. Yeah, I think they're false flags. The timing was just too suspicious. They did that one week exactly before they were going to have the UN vote. Well, they should have gotten better actors too. Yeah, it didn't really. It's the worst actors I've ever seen. Oh, okay. What? What is this? All right. What is this, Alex? Okay. What is he saying? Which actors? Which actors should they have gotten better for? Well, Brad Pitt. Well, I mean, it's one week. It's one week before the UN vote. So you won an

international star. Right. You know, you got to have somebody that appeals across. Benicio Del Toro. Oh, for sure. He'd be a great school shooting victim. A lot of credibility. Oh, so good. Do you saw him in the usual suspects? He's great. I would say this isn't good. This is an indication of a bad mindset. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. He asks David Knight what he thinks. And David Knight says it was a false flag and then unprompted. Alex says they should have got better actors. Now, it is my lot in life and my stake in this whole thing to be overly fair to Alex. Yes. Because he is unfair to everybody. Unreasonably so. And so when I hear this,

there's two problems with the way he's framing this. One in fairness to him is the better actors. Well, they should have chosen victim family members who had better acting skills. Right. In order for them to convey the gun control message better. Yes. That could be what he's trying to say. I would even give him that if he if in this time period, if he had clarified immediately, I would even err on the side of like fine. That's still not good. Not good. They should have got better actors. It's that one. That one's tough. It's hard because again, you could you could fall back behind like I've never heard Alex defend his position by saying like, well, there were probably victim

family members who were better actors. And that's what I was trying to say. Yeah. I've never heard him use that defense. Right. He used it. I'd be like, I don't know if I believe you, but that is an interpretation that could be made of it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But no one listening to his show takes that as the interpretation. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. No, if you're listening to that, you hear him say it's a false flag and it was entirely staged. There were actors. They should have gotten better actors means they were all actors. Yes. Whether or not that is how he intended it to come out. Yeah. I think is far less material. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because we're not trying to nail down necessarily. Yeah, we're not suing him. No. Yeah. I think I think also

a court of law isn't necessarily the best place to try and parse the experience of listening to his show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And as someone who was listened to all of this, I can tell you the experience of it is disjointed. It's confusing. Yeah. Trying to figure out what point he's exactly trying to make. Right. And if you were someone who bought into his shit, hearing that would be very clear what he's trying to say. Yeah. Whereas other times there's so much like ambiguity, there's the back and forth of whatever, like the scaling up of the cruelty he's directing towards these people. It's your fault. You took your kids to school mocking Robbie Parker in his press conference. You could just see the trend going this direction. So I don't feel any reason

to give the benefit of the doubt on what he's expressing there. Right. And that, yeah, the court of law is the worst part because you can't be like, Your Honor, I submit to you six to 700 hours of Alex Jones content from multiple eras so you can have a full context on what exactly this means. Yeah. As opposed to what it is that you may think it means in a legal definition. There is tone. There's context around the time period. There's his bullshit. And he'd be like, I'm not going to listen to any of that shit. No, no, write it down. So Alex, I think is having more fun having Jakari and David in studio than either of them are having naturally. That's the other thing that I think is the most important. Like there's that clip where Alex says they're

actors, which is substantively important. And then spiritually important. I think Alex's employees do not like him much. I think that's true of any environment Alex is in. Alex is having more fun than anyone that has to interact with Alex, which on some level we should all be jealous of. He seems to be experiencing life in a way that no one around him ever is. So this is kind of indicative of that vibe. This is crazy bullshit. And again, please, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to go to Bright. Come back and do another segment with your calls for Sean and Ron and Paul and Alex and everybody with our guest host here. It's fun having you guys ride shotgun with me. Yeah, it's an interesting day.

A day long. We've seen the end of Kenobi. We'll soon see the end of the rebellion. I don't want to stop it. I get a little dingy, Jakari. I know. Can you imagine some day, Jakari? Not even knowing you're on the air. Not even Karen. I can see that day coming. Yeah. I hear the train are coming. It's rolling around the bend. And I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when I'm stuck in Folsom prison. What the fuck is going on? I don't know. The two of them are politely laughing and I guess Alex and he does a fucking Star Wars impression and then starts singing Johnny Cash. Yep. That's that is the most that is the most like So do you think my screenplay good? Well, it's definitely interesting. It is definitely

interesting. Yeah, it's sure been a lot of fun having you guys on the show. Yeah, it's been interesting. There's a sense for sure. There's a sense that I get and this is completely unfounded. And that is that I think the two of them, David Knight and Jakari both have some pretense to wanting to do better. Yeah. They feel like they want to actually do something. No, it does. And Alex is getting in the way of that. Absolutely. It does feel like they they're trying to build up almost like a reel so they can go to a better place. I don't know if that's just not happening or just like trying to like have have actual like we have cited this we're actually reporting something even with if it's within the context of Info Wars narrative propaganda.

Right. Still like we're doing something respectable. Right. And Alex knows where the money is and it's in his goofy bullshit and there's a tension. Yeah. There's a weird tension that exists there. Well, that's what I'm saying. If you're working at Info Wars and you're aspiring to do real journalism, you are not working. You're not looking to retire at Info Wars. You know what I mean? Maybe you think you can change it from within. Oh, poor bastards. Oh, God bless everybody who thinks they can change it from within. Yeah. Good for you. I wish I had your level of belief. Yeah, I really do. There's a naivete. Oh, it's gorgeous. You might have heard from Alex's singing there though that they went out to break. Yeah. So they come back from break and the vibe has not

changed. You guys were saying can you really do it Darth Vader? Yeah, that's pretty good. I can probably really do it. Don't act so surprised, Your Highness. You weren't on the mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you. This is a diplomatic ship. You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take her away. Yeah. That's actually really not bad. That's really not bad. Having fun. Hold on. Why not have some fun while these gun grabbing bastards are running all over us? Haha. Yeah, it's not a terrible impression. It's really not. In terms of his impressions, it's not bad. Look, I've watched A New Hope 300 times. It's really not that bad. I've heard Alex do impressions 300 times and that's

serviceable. Yeah. That was that was twice as good as his Bernie. I would say at least twice as good as his Bernie. But we're on a fucking show where he's talking about victims' families. Like he's mocking them and their actors and he's laying out this bullshit about the Josh Hackham Hacken nonsense. Like this is Hacken or Haken Haken Haken. Okay. This is nonsense, man. Like this existing in the same space is just, it's surreal. Like you guys have some bro down time where you're doing impressions and goofing around. Like the globalists are coming out to murder your children. They're going to kill you. They're going to take them away. They're going to put vaccines in your balls. And now we're going to do a great bit from the wedding crashers. Anybody here? Everybody's

seen that movie? Yeah. That's not the globalist, but he's still pretty funny. He's still pretty funny. Everybody. Yeah. Are you ever seen? Have you ever seen hustlers? We have one last clip here and it's Alex Jones doing some quoting, but not Thomas Jefferson. Okay. So I wanted to, and it's also pretty extreme. The way he ends the April 10th episode is pretty extreme. Listen to this. Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have a war, let it begin here. And that was the militia captain, John Parker at Lexington Green on April 19th, 1776. Was it 1775? What? The point is, I'm going for memory there because I can't see the quote up on infowars.com. We have that red page image of the oath keeper. They were

trying to block his sign. Yeah. And there he is. And that's why they were so freaked out by it. Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon. But they're already firing in our water, our vaccines, our food. The war has already begun to quote Patrick Henry. It's an info war. They want to make it physical because they're losing them. So like you should, you should know what year it is. The Lexington shit happened. You would think because you're a civil war or I'm sorry, a revolutionary war historian. It is kind of a big deal. He's read literally hundreds of books about that. So Alex is using that very stirring quote from the revolutionary war here. We know his batting average with Jefferson quotes is terrible. But what about his other quotes from

the early days of this country? How does he fare with those? Well, if I recall an end game, he was over. A lot of those were Jefferson. A lot of them were Jefferson, but he was still an over. Yes. I believe he did not succeed in landing any quotations that he made. So the line here is quote, stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have a war, let it begin here. It's attributed to Minutemen commander John Parker. These words spoken on April 19 1775 are chiseled into the Minutemen monument and at Lexington. So there's every reason to like for Alex to believe it's a real quote. So they're kind of a big deal. But probably this quote isn't real. There's no actual solid historical basis for the quote, which is to say that no reliable source who was there

put it down into writing until a lot later. The quote was spread initially by Parker's grandson Theodore, who was not present at the time of being said. Yeah, probably not. Yeah. So anything coming from him is second hand to begin with. Yeah. And as it was his grandfather, he might be trying to mythologize his family as being like these heroic figures within the revolution. Did John Parker survive? No. Well, I mean, he died of like dysentery or something. Sure. Well, I mean, everybody in war dies of dysentery. In the middle of the revolutionary war, he died of some condition. So the grandson wouldn't even know his grandfather period. I think he would have been alive. Okay. He was alive during his life.

Right. But he wouldn't have been. It's not like he was 15 or something like that. No, he wasn't. I think from what I understand, he was alive, but not present in 1775. So yeah, like I said, he's not present. But in 1822, at a reenactment of the Battle of Lexington, Theodore claimed that Minuteman Sergeant William Monroe had told him back when he was a kid of his grandfather's great quote, but weirdly seems to have not told anyone else. Then some 40 years later, Theodore has remembered it and it becomes a part of American lore. Of course, there are contemporary accounts of John Parker's actions that day from people who were there. And they don't really square with this quote who presumably would have heard that dope quote and been like better write

that shit down for posterity. Sure. Yeah, there was a man named Ebenezer Monroe who said quote, Captain Parker ordered his men to stand their ground and not molest the regulars unless they meddled with us. Yeah, he was later visited by three civil war ghosts. And his account almost identically matches Paul Revere's account of that day. You can see similarities and differences here. The similarities are the sentiment like don't fuck with those people unless it's in self defense. Right. But the differences are all the the credible accounts don't include the part that's saying if they want war, we'll have one. The bravado is gone, the veneer of masculinity and historic or heroic restraint reaching its last nerve. Those differences are the only thing that

Alex is interested in about this quote. And odds are they're total bullshit made up by a kid trying to glorify his grandfather. So it looks like once again, Alex is firmly on the side of lore over history here. And he doesn't really believe anything about the founding of the country unless it matches up with whatever he's feeling at the time or whatever he wants to push. But Alex used two quotes in that stretch, you might recognize that the end there he used a Patrick Henry quote. Yes, the war has already begun. Yeah. Now Alex is close enough on that for me to give it to him. The quote is actually quote, the war is actually begun. But Alex's take on it is probably a very accurate assessment of the point Patrick Henry was trying to make in his March 23 1975 speech

to the second Virginia Convention. Okay. Honestly, that speech would be a great thing for Alex to actually quote. It really closely matches a ton of the vibe he's been throwing out lately. But I think there's a problem with him actually quoting the speech instead of paraphrasing it. And that is that Patrick Henry is legitimately calling for war, not an info war. In fact, Patrick Henry's speech is very opposed to an info war quote. And what have we to oppose them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we've been trying that for the last 10 years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable. But it has all been in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and

humble supplication? What terms shall we find which we have not already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves any longer. Anyway, that's a real quote. But also based on the speech that it comes from that Alex is paraphrasing here, if Alex believed that war had truly already started, Patrick Henry would think he's a coward and helping the enemy with his info war bullshit 100%. So Alex can't really engage with the speech. I wouldn't want to do that. No, I wouldn't want to do that. It's crazy. Yeah, all of his shit, even the things that he accurately sort of spiritually cites would like be like, what the fuck do you do with your info war? Yeah, if you believe the civil war has already started, Patrick Henry would hate you.

Yeah, he would think that you're a red coat. Absolutely. Or at least like someone who's collaborating through their inaction, or even just just a weak willed, callow piece of shit. So I don't know, we come to the end of this and I don't know. It's just like trains coming at each other. I know I keep using that metaphor, but it's just foreboding. There's just a sense of like, listening to this April, the beginning of April, like, I mean, part of it is knowing the Boston bombing is coming. Like that is definitely a part of this. Yeah. But even not knowing that there's still like, you just see these elements that are intersecting. And you see, like, there has to be something going on that's not on the show.

Like the way that Alex's rhetoric is escalating so severely, the way his tactics are kind of shifting towards directly targeting these folks, like there is something going on that is unclear. Yeah, but you can tell from listening to it if you're listening critically. I don't know what it is, but I texted you yesterday. I think it was yesterday. There's a big fog coming off the lake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels like it feels like that. It feels like looking at Lake Michigan and just seeing a huge, ridiculous fog. You know what? Every time you've used that trade metaphor, I've had that. Did you ever see the Addams Family Values? The sequel to the Addams Family starring Raul Julia being fucking amazing

with Angelica Houston? Yeah, absolutely. Did you know that he was dying during that movie? It's a whole thing. But there's that moment where he's down in the basement and he's playing with his trains and the entire Addams Family is up and they're all listening intently and they're going, oh no, it's running around dead man's curve. Oh no, it's hitting this thing like they all know that this is going to result in this massive destructive act. He knows it. They know it. Everybody's involved in watching this happen and it's still so inevitable. Everybody, anybody, anybody included could have stopped it at any point in time. I don't like that this is how you framed the putting the Addams Family Values. No, no, no, that's what I think. But it's very

accurate. It is just like this is happening. Everybody knows what's going to happen. Everybody knows it's inevitable and yet anyone could stop it. It's weird to consider the idea that people were listening to this and maybe didn't pick up on these things. People were on board fully as this was happening. The trends are really clear. I've listened to all of these episodes and I can feel the intensity rising. I can feel these things in his rhetoric and the way he's laying out these episodes, the stories he's choosing to cover, the way he's covering them. It's coming into like a bottleneck and it's weird to imagine someone just like who loves Alex experiencing this as truth, as a real reporting. It's weird to think about what kind

of a ride you would be taken on. It'd be hard to figure out exactly what this guy you look up to is actually saying at a lot of times. That's terrifying. Not to go too overboard in complementary behavior. Obviously, we cannot listen to all of these episodes in full because none of us want to and it's a horrific nightmare. The only evidence that most people listening to this show have that this rhetoric is rising and this behavior is so much more troubling as we go through this is what you tell us. Also, you really have presented it to the point where I feel it. I really do feel like even though I haven't listened to this shit, I really do feel like I can hear it. Well, thank you. The way his rhetoric is rising. If anybody has any reservations

about this, go listen to it. There's a lot of time you could put into this and then we could have a conversation about your different interpretation. That's fine. I welcome that conversation. This is troubling and we're getting days away from the Boston bombing at this point. I don't even want to know. Honestly, I don't want to know what he's going to do. Well, I know that Richard Belzer is involved. Also, hey, do you know what's crazy? If we're going to talk about the Bells, let's bring in the story of what's his name? John Parker's grandson and telling that whole quote and everything. That is 100% Christopher Walken in pulp fiction showing up to him as a kid and being like, your grandfather, you know, that whole thing.

Christopher Walken and the Bells were both on infowars. It's a big full circle. Indeed. Do find out more about that in the future and we will see you all on Friday, but until then, we have a website. We do have a website. It's KnowledgeFight.com. Just to jump in real quick. Again, this is coming out on Wednesday. Tomorrow night, Thursday night at Two Brothers Roundhouse at eight PM. Mike Wiley will be recording his second album. I'll be opening for him. Come out. Mike Wiley is fucking fantastic. One of my favorite comics. King of the puns. King of the one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Anyways, we do have a website, but we are also on Twitter. Right. We are. It's at Knowledge

underscore fight and that go to bed. Jordan. We're also on Facebook. We are on Facebook. And we are also on iTunes. If you would like to listen to the podcast also, you can find Mike Wiley's first album. You can find Mike Wiley's first album. But do you know what the best place to find Mike Wiley's first album? Oh boy. Here we go. Jesus. Now you're dreading my bits. Well, why? How could I not have a sense of dread? I know it disembodied hand is coming. Well, it's like the thing for it's like thing for madam's family value. Oh boy. Go ahead. Anyways, you can also go to Spotify. Oh, that's it. Yep. No disembodied hands this time. Just modified suspicious for both our show and his album. It is true. Yep. All right, guys. Until

next time, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I am DZX Clark. I am the Jesus lizard. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.