Knowledge Fight - #346: April 11-14, 2013

Episode Date: September 23, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan continue their study of The Alex Jones Show in the time after Sandy Hook. In this installment, the gents get through the episodes leading up to the Boston Bombing, and find Alex's show stagnating as he becomes very obsessed with passing off sloppy man-on-the-street videos as reporting.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge fight. Dan and Jo Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like sit around, take novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Jordan, Jordan. Have you ever fulfilled a childhood dream?

Now, I mean, like, you know, this show is a dream to do, but you didn't grow up thinking I can't wait to someday. I want to talk about Alex Jones. Little did you know I was a we nine year old boy in Honolulu dreaming of, you know, I was like, what would I have been about 10 years old when Alex first started broadcasting? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got an update about it and I was like, I was like, I don't know, 25 years from now, I'm going to have to take care of this. You guys got a local access Austin TV in Honolulu.

Absolutely. Okay. Fair. I started listening to the final edition or whatever the fuck is old shows culture. I was like, you know what, no one's going to address this. Absolutely. This is going to be my responsibility to only one. No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I had a ton of like, fulfillable childhood

fantasies. Right. Things like flying. Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, you did. You have flown in a plane in a sense. I went parasailing. So it's kind of, oh, that's really cool.

I've jumped off a cliff. Really? Yeah. Not a huge one. Not it, but well, that's fucking awesome. I've never jumped. I'm terrified of heights. I would never jump off a cliff.

It's not something that I probably would do again. Yeah. But the context it was in was very like, it seemed very safe. You were being chased by cannibals. Obviously. The safer alternative. Of course. Yeah.

A bunch of people go off already and so I was like, well, odds of me getting hurt are slim and you could see the water underneath, so you know, like big rocks. But I probably wouldn't do it again, especially in a context where I didn't feel like I could see the water. Yeah. Yeah. People who do that are crazy. No.

Insane. Yeah. So anyway, as a podcast where I am actively fulfilling my childhood fantasy and actually there is a little bit of truth to that because from a very young age, I did want to do radio. I loved radio. Right. That's what I was, well, that's one of the things that I was thinking when I was thinking

about the question is like, this is adjacent to a dream of yours because we've talked in the past about how you've always wanted to do radio. Yeah, I love it. And I've done a lot of things that are adjacent to goals that I've had in comedy as a kid. But I don't know if there's any, like the only one that is genuinely a childhood dream that I have had since I was like six years old is writing a novel. I'm like, that's the only childhood dream that I'm close to achieving and I'm really scared to fail.

Yeah. Or just, I mean, that's a good reason not to do it. Yeah. You're scared of failing than I am. No, absolutely not. Yeah. But I do know a lot about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me.

That's correct. And that's the podcast here that we're doing. Alex is on some bullshit today and we've got an interesting episode to go over covering the time span of April 11th to 14th, 2013. So in our going back to track Alex's coverage of Sandy Hook, we have now reached the day before the Boston bombing. So we're going to get right up to the edge of that and then the next episode will probably be incredibly miserable.

But before we get into what's going on here on the show today, we've got to take a little moment to say thank you to people who signed up and are supporting the show. So first of all, Sean, thank you so much. And finally, danger guy. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

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The fun nicknames, perhaps, but anyway, enjoy your day. So like I said, we're doing an April 11th to 14th today. And one of the things I kind of wanted to stick around in the present because Eddie Bravo and Sam Tripoli were still in studio on Friday. Sure. They were on the war room with Owen Schreuer. Jesus Christ. And I was like, this is a lot of Eddie Bravo content.

Look, I'm not busy, but I'm still too busy to do two info warships. You know what I'm saying? They, they were all over that, the network at the end of last week. And so I was thinking like, yeah, everybody enjoys to hear some Eddie Bravo nonsense. But there was a pretty severe backlash from our audience over Sam Tripoli. I think we all agree. There was a unexpected and universal sentiment that was like, don't cover this guy anymore. It was awful to listen to him yell.

So I have to honor their wishes and stay away from the present day. Get back into the past here. 2013. I like it. Let's do it. So in this first clip from April 11th, Alex makes it get a glimpse into how his brain works and how he experiences his own situation. And this is just surreal bullshit.

And this program is so evidenced, it is so 100% on record that it dizzies my mind that we're even having a debate about this. The establishment is moving forward with an accelerated timetable for several reasons. They're about 10 years behind in their projections and they've looked forward that if they don't accelerate the program, their operation will fail. But they have succeeded in their greatest goal of creating an artificial habitat civilization with government and corporate reservations that are breakaway civilizations several steps above us.

I don't even know what he's talking about at this point. Like that's sort of the same ideas that like Tom Pappert was talking about in the present day. The idea that the globalists have created like Iceland is like a place with no immigrants and low taxes. I don't know what he's talking about, but the idea that he's saying that all of these claims that they're making are all so evidenced, it's so proven, so on record, it's just ludicrous. I am a big fan of your like fictional enemy being suddenly somehow 10 years behind.

We have not since we have not talked about this yesterday or the day before that or the past 10 years, actually, that they are behind at all. We shouldn't we be getting updates? Shouldn't last year he have said they're they're officially nine years behind their projection. Well, they might have been 10 years behind then too. I mean, Alex still says in the present day that they're 10 years behind because the push back on them, but because of the John Birch Society coming around and so coming up

the works. They're accelerating things because they've looked at their projections and they're clearly their actuaries. What are you talking about? Yeah, I think what he's doing is he's twisting comments that people have made about like high speed rail. Sure. Things like that.

Yeah. People. Our monorail is 10 years behind. Sure. Or modernization in third world countries. Right. Stuff like that. I'm guessing that that's what he's talking about.

People have said is behind what people had hoped. But whatever the case, Alex is like real. He's consistent and he keeps pushing forward on this mentality of like they're accelerating we should be accelerating too. And when the other side isn't accelerating and you're just creating the perception that they are, what you're doing is justifying and rationalizing your own acceleration. And that's kind of all that's going on. Well, yeah.

I mean, it is a little bit along the lines of like, Hey guys, we've got 10 years. They're 10 years behind on killing all of us. So we have basically got 10 years to kill all of them. That's really what I'm saying or else or else will catch up. Yeah. And if they if they could, they would already have killed you. So that's basically them attempting to kill you as we speak. Yeah.

Yeah. Having that sort of viable live of this sort of like fatal kind of situation, he teases an upcoming news report in a way that I think is a little over the top. Then at the bottom of the next hour, I will break down the most chilling information that we have ever covered here on this broadcast and it's all publicly available. So the most chilling information ever of all time. Every time he does this, it's like we have the guy who breaks shit from the internet. We got the hammer guy, the biggest guest we've ever had.

It's the guy who hits things with a hammer on YouTube. To be fair. That was a pretty fun interview. Well, it was better than Eddie Bravo and Sam Tripoli. In terms of ranking Alex's guests, that guy was pretty fun. He did hit things with a hammer and Alex rejoiced. That's true. That is true.

So, I mean, we could spend all day trying to guess what this super chilling information is and I think it's this. And there's a new Bilderberg group report out at infowars.com right now where the president of the Italian Supreme Court, very famous individual, has now come out and said that the government has all of the documentation and Italian intelligence has all the documentation that every time Italy tries to get out from under the EU or the globalist system, terror attacks are staged by the Bilderberg group. Document says secretive group was involved in strategy of tension.

So what's going on here is Alex is saying that this is in the present. Like that this guy has a document that shows that the Bilderberg group causes false flags whenever people meddle in globalist plans or whatever. And that's not really fair. But that's the presentation he is absolutely trying to create. That is troubling, if true. So this is about a guy named Ferdinando Impassamato, the president of the Italian Supreme Court. He's often credited as the quote honorary president of the Supreme Court of Italy.

But I can't find any evidence that he was an actual judge on the Supreme Court. I honestly have no idea what that title means. And I've looked into it a little bit and I still don't really understand. From what I can tell that from like looking at Italian legal websites, honorary judges are sometimes appointed who provide assistance to courts on various matters, but it's usually a temporary thing depending on the person's expertise. So he might have assisted the Supreme Court of Italy on something in an honorary fashion. He's a judge consultant.

Yeah. I think he's a legitimate person who's had a career in public service. So judges are like, we're deliberating and they're like, hey, what do you think? I don't think honorary president of the Italian Supreme Court is a bullshit credential. But I do think that the way Alex is presenting it is a little bit bullshit. Right. Because it's not as though he's the, it's not like he's chief Supreme Court justice. He's not John Roberts in this scenario.

No, no, no. Is Steve Puchenek working at the state department in the, he's a consultant. Sure. Sure. I don't, I don't have enough information to know whether or not this guy is lying about his involvement. But the way Alex is framing it is dishonest. Gotcha.

So in 2013, Impasamato published a book called the Republic of Unpunished Massacres, which I have to assume sounds better in Italian. In the book, he claims that he found a document that proves that the Bilderberg group was behind terrorist attacks in Italy in the seventies and eighties. This document has not been produced, nor has Impasamato even claimed to have authenticated it. He just believes it to be genuine. Oh, well, I mean, that's a low bar, but it does make things simpler.

I suppose. Sure. Yeah. Alex is presenting this as if Alex himself has the document and that it proves that whatever Italy wants to, you know, whenever they want to get out of the EU in the present day, they get hit with false flag terrorist attacks, which is ludicrous, even if you believe all of the assertions being made in Impasamato's book. He is only talking about activity that took place in the days of Operation Gladio, which

despite what Alex might say, does not continue to the present day. It was a product of Cold War stupidity. And by the time anything related to it involved actual attacks, it was because of groups that had splintered from their original purpose and gone rogue. Now is that in and of itself a good argument against setting up operations like Gladio? Yes. You bet. 100%.

Prove that the people behind Gladio are actually trying to create terror cells to pull off false flag attacks. I think I need more evidence on that. Not all of them. I think I need more evidence before we're going to be able to substantiate that one. And so looking at the claim that's being made here, I see no actual evidence that the Bilderberg group was involved in Operation Gladio outside of this mysterious document that Impasamato claims he saw, but isn't anywhere to be found.

Right. So that's the conceivably the most chilling news in the world. Okay. The most chilling news in the world is that for a while the Bilderberg group was maybe, but probably not orchestrating false flag attacks through Operation Gladio. Right. I'm not, I'm not very chilled by that. No.

I'm pretty fine with it. That was like, I wasn't even born. So I'm pretty good. What about this? Does this chill you? What? Alex has changed the narrative on North Korea. Yeah.

People kind of beating the drums of attacking them. Naturally. He's, he's still saying that like they're going to attack, they're threatening to attack Japan and what have you. But now he's put a slight twist in it. And that is that the globalists are paying him, Kim Jong-un, to threaten people in order to create this strategic tension as related to this, this Italian Supreme Court guy. Damn, that chills me to the fucking bone.

Sure. I am chilled. He faces this on nothing other than like his sort of assumptions and like, this is how I read the tea leaves. That's the most chilling type of reading that you can have. Perhaps, perhaps. So the 11th is kind of a ghost town in terms of anything interesting. It's kind of, it's kind of just a continuation of all the same gun paranoia.

They're coming to take your kids, all the same sort of trends continue. Right. Right. Right. It's kind of boring to keep going over it. The specials ghost town is playing the entire show. Oh. You know, like our ghost town.

That is how I would describe this episode. Gotcha. So we get to the 12th and Alex says something that he, I think he's trying to overblow his own importance and impactfulness. Alex? Yeah. I know. Very out of character.

Our boy? But in doing so, I think he accidentally says something that I think is quite true. And believe me, the subconscious drives the conscious and the brain is connected through the spinal cord to the rest of your body. And the mere fact that I'm talking about how you're under attack right now, even if you're a jellyfish consciously, I am commanding jellyfish right now, spineless people. I am commanding you. I am commanding you through, through your instincts, through your ancestors, through

your common sense. And of course, God is commanding you through your spirit to activate right now and launch defenses. And believe me, the defenses are launched. So the globalists have got a big problem on their hands. Okay. I don't think that, you know, even jellyfish listening are going to be driven to pull up defenses because of Alex.

But what he's touching on there, I think is very real. And that is that even if you don't believe, I think if you passively don't believe him, if you actively don't believe him, doesn't have much of an effect. If you're just casually listening to him, he is going to have an effect on you. Like he's recognizing and, and sort of pointing to the fact that like, what I do is evocative. And what I do, even if you don't believe me, this is going to fuck with your subconscious. Right. And I think there's some truth to that.

I think it's one of the reasons that his style of broadcast is particularly dangerous. Right. Because unless you're really trying to, unless you ignore it as a whole. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you come in with a, a sort of a guard up. Yeah. It's, it can be very dangerous. He's, he's like a, he's like an exploit.

He, he, he, I think so much about like when, when somebody will say like, oh, you need to update iOS to 11.102 because hackers found this exploit and there's this one little thing. And once you fix it, it's all closed. Yeah. But if you're passively walking by and you haven't updated, then Alex is going to sneak in and fuck up your phone. Yeah. It's, it's attention hijacking.

It's focus hijacking. It's emotion hijacking. And I don't find it possible that he's not aware of that. Like he's perfectly describing it here just in heroic language. I think that makes him all the worse. So also on this episode, Alex has got a real being as bonnet about how everyone's ripping him off and that's cool. How many times have we stolen people's ideas and put them on a shirt?

Alex, I hate when people rip you off. It's in the more present day, but yeah, and he's still like 1776 is the answer of 1984. He stole that from a guy, but he, he's always complaining about Glyne Beck in that context. But now he widens the net to everybody. All of these right wing people are ripping him off. And I can actually explain that to him. And I also failed to believe, I refuse to believe that he's not aware of what's really going on. And with what we do sends out ripples.

You know, I shouldn't get mad that within three days of us breaking major news every single day, Glyne Beck, Rush Limbaugh, you name it, Sean Hannity are covering it. And more and more, they can't even spin it because their audiences demand the truth. You know what's going on? What? All of them are reading Drudge. That's all that's going on. That's it.

They're ripping me off because I'm just reading shit off Drudge. You know, I think the thing that I don't know if he's expressing this, but the thing that he says where he says within three days, that makes me think that it's less like they're just all reading the same. I mean, they are all reading Drudge, obviously. And Alex also that it's going through the lunatic laundry. You know, like Alex says something fucking lunatic. Right.

And then after a day or two, the right wing is like, let's distill this down to something that we can actually say on Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity. Right. That kind of thing. Right. That is definitely a process that happens. But also additionally, Alex will say some crazy shit. And because he runs this info wars website that also publishes articles,

he has articles that end up getting linked on Drudge. So a couple of the days after he starts yelling about something that he read on Drudge, his story will be on Drudge. The right wing media sphere is fucking ridiculous. Whatever the case is, all roads lead back to Drudge. That's the reason that Alex feels like everyone's ripping them off. And it's just because you all have the same news source that you rely on for your careers. You're all so fucking stupid.

So Alex is, he's bringing up the Mayak report a lot in this episode. He's sort of ranting about how this proves that they're going to put us in these camps and they're going to take our guns and absolutely it's exhausting. I mean, it wasn't enough to badmouth George Washington. It wasn't bad enough to badmouth Thomas Jefferson. It wasn't bad enough to say returning veterans will attack every police department in America with IEDs. Remember that five years ago?

What? I'm like, here's this secret document. I was sent by federal marshal. They're teaching him that every department will be attacked. Let me let me check this document. I've confirmed it's real. Now the feds were hopping mad when I called them that I had it and quite threatening police. Are you being trained that veterans will attack your department?

Will with IEDs in the near future. Open the phones up. Every cop calls in. Yeah, they trained us on that last year. We thought it was crazy. Alex is lying so hard. I've listened to so many of his shows and almost without fail, his callers do not confirm the things that he, he says they'll generally

try and be polite. Like we've talked about with that, like veterans getting that letter and the response being. I'm pretty sure my friend got one of those or the classic I haven't checked the mail today. I haven't checked the mail today. Yeah. So they'll do those sorts of responses and Alex will take that is confirmation of something and that is absolutely not the case.

I see very low rates of Alex's callers offering anything substantial to confirm. That seems to be pretty rare. So he's getting really extreme and there's the taking the guns, taking the kids, globalist want to take over all this shit. But there's a real singular focus on this episode regarding dumbing people down. That seems to be something that he's very interested in on this episode. He's four or again. He's against ostensibly against quite, but his entire career would suggest the opposite.

Right. Yeah. And this clip where he's talking about it. So the plan, I suppose, is that the globalist want to dumb people down to the point where they can't fight back against these invasion plans and they don't see what's right in their food in front of their face. Sure. Sure.

But because the evidence that he provides for this is pretty dumb. We are entering a period in our culture where everything is going to accelerate downhill and the establishment has done the actuaries. They believe they've got a big enough group of people that are so dumb down. I mean, I saw a Mark Dice video. We're going to play it coming up in the next segment where he goes out and says, will you confiscate? Are these people being arrested if they own guns or are you for banning guns?

And the people, most of them, signed the petition to do it. So Alex, he says that they've actuaried out and figured that there's enough dumb people, provides no evidence of that at all, and then starts talking about a Mark Dice video that shows the people are dumb. I think that what he thinks is going on is Mark Dice is imitating what the globalist actuaries are doing. So the globalists are getting people to sign those petitions and they're like, we know now we've got a hundred thousand signatures.

And Mark Dice proves that the globalists are doing this because if people will sign Mark Dice's, then that means now you go to the actuary. This is a prank video because Mark Dice is there. This is a sloppily made man on the street video. I do love the idea of using fucking Jay Leno bits to prove things. What a fucking asshole. And Alex is obsessed with it on this episode. He is going on and on about how these are great.

Like they demonstrate these great truths. Leanne McAdoo has been hired. I don't even really, you know, I don't even know money things. I think this might be one of the first, if not the first, instances of Alex bringing up Leanne McAdoo, she has been hired and she goes out on the street and she asks people to sign a petition banning a dihydro monoxide or it's water, oxygen or water or whatever it's H2O and they're like, oh my God, look at this. Look how dumb people are.

Most people are being polite. Yeah. Yeah. This doesn't prove anything, but Alex is all about it. It seems to be like a real interest of his on this April 12th that like doesn't seem, it's, it's not following a trend. Like it has, this hasn't been an obsession of his for the prior weeks or whatever. I just can't understand anybody that accepts any of those videos for anything other than

the individuals that they put on there because sure. And if you want to pull that shit, give me a steady cam of you out there for four hours. Yeah. 99% of people walked by and went, fuck you. Yeah. I don't need, I don't need this shit. And even some of the people you keep in your cut are clearly just like they're high out on the boardwalk or something and they just like, ah, you're bumming me out.

You all signed this to make you go away. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I mean, anytime that somebody extrapolates real people or like the majority from those videos, it's like, fuck you. Right. Right. So if he wants to make this argument, he needs to show the other stuff.

The, the globalist actuaries, right? And what have you, as opposed to pointing to a Mark Dice video, right? Right. I need a better than that. That's something that only would be convincing to a dumbed down audience. Coincidence, probably odd, odd. So the Democrats, they're trying to push a gunband as they always are. We, we have done such a great job of focusing on that.

I'm sure, right? This clip is not interesting for that. That is very standard stuff. Sure. But Alex says something that is something I like to keep track of. Are we getting a TJ quote? We are not. Oh, we are not.

I think he's quoting somebody though. Okay. Trees in alert. Dems try to move gun bill forward without allowing senators to read it. Oh, Mama care. Repeat senators not allowed to rebuild prior to closure. This is all treason, ladies and gentlemen, if you don't know, Robert's rules, parliamentary procedure, the laws in this country as well.

They're just the same where the Federal Reserve was passed by three senators the night before Christmas. Hey, they're waiting for the house. Now the creature was stirring, not even a mouse. Three of them passed the Federal Reserve Act. That is something only a dumbed down audience would believe. Dumb, dumb, dumb thing to say. God damn it.

That's insane. You're like, I understand that you love Ron Paul and his brothers got to be cool by association or maybe even Ron Paul told him this. Yeah, this is very easy to look up. Like this is not something that's acceptable for you to be someone who presents themselves as a scholar and all this shit and actually believe that. Like this is this is recorded. This is very easy to show to be false.

Yeah. Well, I have an even greater bone to pick here. What's that? I did not know that if you don't follow Robert's rules of order, you are committing treason. Yeah, absolutely. I didn't know that. Well, I didn't know it was the high stakes of the Robert rules of order.

That's a part of Admiralty law. Robert's rules of sovereign citizenry. Yeah, I like it. So over the course of the time doing this podcast, I think we have seen Alex be pretty hurtful to a lot of groups of people, minorities, women. Yeah, yeah, in particular, but I'd never heard him be shitty to this specific group. I I'm almost shocked that Alex's show seems almost devoid of being the same kind of asshole he is to everybody about folks with disability.

Yeah. And so when I heard this clip, I was like, this shouldn't surprise me, but it's also kind of novel. Yeah, it's weird. All men are created equal endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Unalienable, inalienable rights, life, liberty, life and liberty. You got your life. You got your liberty.

Not everybody's as smart as the other person. Everybody's just good looking. We all have different gifts. All of you have gifts. All right. Where's this going? Even people that are handicapped, even mentally, they are giving the gift of a burden to someone to grow.

What? Everything's a gift. That's crazy. What? That's way, way, way, way. That's harsh that the fuck out for me, because I think I know what that means. Right. You need to tell me and confirm what he's expressing is that everybody has gifts.

You know, we're all endowed with some gifts from the creator and the gifts that people who have disabilities. Yes, their gifts are that they're a hard time for you. That's the um, see, this is where I'm running into trouble. No, that's horrible. This is a horrible mentality. So, so everyone has given gifts, right? And the gift given to the handicapped person, right, is the knowledge

that they are making someone else's life worse, which is a growth opportunity there by making their life better. They are things. That's insane. Yeah, everyone's given gifts except the handicapped is what he just said. Well, but they don't know and they're just I don't know. It's that's a fucking insane person. That's next level awful.

Ridiculous. Yeah, it's it's treating people who happen to have some disability status as like they're just there as a as a like a side quest level or whatever. In your video game, they're a prop to you. The gift that the handicapped are given are being emotional barbells for other people to work out on. Yep. That's it.

Yep. Good gift. That's shitty. Yeah, that's pretty shitty. So Alex has a guest on this episode. He is a guy by the name of Ben Swan on the show. And one of the reasons is that Ben Swan is leaving a Fox affiliate that he worked at, I believe, and Alex is going to try and make a real fucking big deal

out of it. Naturally, naturally, it's a conspiracy and he's being silenced. Of course, because he's libertarian leaning and did some reports on Ron Paul and what have you in the past. So obviously, the globalists are forcing him out of the station. OK, so I assume he hit his significant other. No, no, no, no, no. It's just a regular old story.

I mean, his life doesn't go great later, but it isn't at this point. I don't think it's anything nefarious. I think it is. Ben will explain it in a clip and Alex does not like his explanation, but I think it is probably a thing or it's like, well, the station wasn't a right fit. Yeah. Or explore online media or something.

I think at this point in his career, that's perfectly plausible. Right. Later, maybe not. OK. Not necessarily beating his wife or anything. OK. But is it? I'm just saying, anytime we hear like, oh, he's being silenced,

like you scratch the surface and there's a man who's hurting his wife. Alex wants that to be the narrative because that's the narrative Alex has about himself in his early days of radio. Yeah. That he was told to shut up about the Clintons and he wouldn't. And that's why he got fired from KLBJ or KJFK, whichever one. I can't remember. But he wants it to be a mirror of his experience so he can yell about his

own life. That's basically what goes on. Gotcha. So Alex intros this Ben Swan guy and gives some of his credits. And you learn something interesting. And I remember about a month or two ago, I wanted to get him on. He said, well, I'm not allowed to interview him anymore. And I'll be talking to you shortly.

I thought, well, that might mean he's going to be leaving. And sure enough, he's put out a video. We'll play a clip of it later. But why not just go right to him? He's won both a Edward R. Murrow Award. So that's about as good as it gets. Jordan, did you know that there are at least five different awards called the Edward R. Murrow Award?

See, now that's what I was thinking. I was like, man, it does get better than that. And it's called the Pulitzer. I don't know about the Edward R. Murrow. That's like a Lifetime Achievement Award for some people. Well, that's one of them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's a couple of those. Yeah. And none of them are like shit or whatever. No, I'm not insulting or anything. But the one Ben Swann is said to have won is the one that's given out by the Radio Television Digital News Association, the RTDNA, in 2002. This was for, quote, continuing coverage about Alexandra Flores,

who was a five-year-old girl who'd been abducted and eventually murdered. So their news coverage about that story was what ended up winning them the RTDNA. The thing is, though, if you go to the RTDNA's website, they have a list of past winners of their awards. And Ben Swann's name isn't anywhere on it. And that's because the continuing coverage award is not given to an individual, but instead awarded to a station.

In this case, KFOX-TV El Paso. This version of the Edward R. Murrow Award, the one that's given out by the RTDNA, they're almost exclusively given to stations, reflecting a recognition of collaborative efforts that go into creating a complete news program. So what you're saying is he won the Edward R. Murrow Award? In a sense, yeah.

It is true that Ben Swann was working for that station at the time. And I'm sure he worked on the coverage. But I feel like saying that he won this award is dishonest framing. A more accurate way to say it would be that the station he worked at won these awards. But I understand that that doesn't sound good on a bio. I think that reminds me of Hannibal's description of winning an Emmy when he was writing on SNL, where he's like,

I was just on the right team at the right time. I have an Emmy the same way Juwan Howard has a championship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, OK, I got you. Alex doesn't know that there are multiple different awards named after Edward R. Murrow. It's possible that he's thinking of the one that's given up by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

That one is so selective that they don't even give them out some years. Are you sure they didn't give it out to Ben Swann? I'm sure. OK. That one is given to specific people, though. In the past, people like Terry Gross and Ira Glass have won them. But you might notice something similar about those two people.

And that is that they work in public broadcasting. So that award is only given to public broadcasters. There's also the Edward R. Murrow award that's given out by Washington State University, which is Edward R. Murrow's alma mater. A whole bunch of people that Alex hates have won that. Like Ted Turner, Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw, Helen Thomas, Ted Koppel.

That one is basically the lifetime. It's basically the lifetime achievement award you're talking about. So the only names you're going to see on that list are super relevant news people. And if you're imagining that Ben Swann won one of those, that's crazy. This is the problem with awards that have the same name

as other awards. It's really easy to get the idea that Ben Swann is being honored in the same way that Walter Cronkite has. But in reality, he was a part of a team that put together some quality, continuing coverage of local news about a kidnapped child. Which is nothing to sneeze at. Exactly.

I'm not shitting him on for that. I think he should be super proud of the work he's done. I'm just saying that I suspect that this might be an attempt to willfully deceive people about the nature of this award or at least a willingness to let other people make the assumption that they make and not correct it. Right. If we gave out a scholarship and named it the Full Bright

Scholarship, it would be a little bit dishonest for you to be like, I got a Full Bright. Yeah, it would be a little bit. No, I got you. No, I got you. But you know. I understand why there would be multiple awards named after Murrow, though.

Absolutely. Luminarium, the field of TV news. Of course. So also, because of this, I didn't cut a clip of it. But Alex feels the need to brag about his own accomplishments. And so he says that a couple years back, he won an award from Talkers Magazine. The top award from Talkers Magazine.

Talkers Magazine. And he didn't win an award from Talkers Magazine. He was invited to give a keynote address at their 2011 New Media Seminar. Guess who opened for him? Dana Gould? Lionel. No, no.

No, the New Media Kings? Lionel and Alex Jones? 2011, things looked a lot different. Licked a lot different. So Talkers doesn't even give out an award. They put out a list that's called the Heavy 100, which is the top 100 talk radio figures. Alex has never been number one on that list.

Absolutely not. For obvious reasons. In 2019, Alex is number 49 on that list. That's not bad. It's not. But to put it in context, a show called Curtis and Juliet out of WABC is number 36. OK, well, then they're doing great.

I have never heard of them ever. And the picture of them is a younger blonde woman and an older man in a red tracksuit wearing a red beret. So Alex's 13 spots lower on the list than them. What did you just say to me? Did you just say red tracksuit wearing a red beret? Yep, the dude looks real weird. All right, well then, I am tuning in.

To be fair, though, Alex this year did beat Sebastian Gorka. Well, that's good. Actually, I'm lying. Gorka is number 27. That can't be real. Why is Gorka even on the list? He has his own radio show.

Yeah, absolutely. We're just giving Nazis radio shows. Lipton right now. He's got a good radio voice. I say facetiously. OK, all right. So Alex was number 26 last year and 2017. Ooh, that's a lot.

Tucker's Heavy 100 list is actually a bad sign about the state of affairs for Alex's career. That drop from 26 to 49 is a big slide for him. They make up that list based on consulting with a big group of radio industry figures. So this is indicative of Alex losing a ton of ground in terms of his radio imprint. The industry doesn't seem to see him as relevant.

His ratings are probably plummeting. And it's not like they hate conservatives or people who are like Alex. That list is mostly just right-wing talk show hosts. Yeah, I'd say anybody who only right-wing people listen to radio now, right? It's somewhat, yeah, it's a much larger market. And Hannity's been number one for the last two years on it.

So it's not like there's some sort of an implicit liberal bias. And Glenn Beck has beat Alex every year. God, I want to know who's 101. How brutal would that feel? I've scrolled through it. And once you get down into the 70s and 80s, it's kind of real. I don't know who any of these people are.

I didn't know this was a show. Hey, it's Chuck and ButtFuck in the mornings. You're 99 on the list. Holy shit. Might as well. So this is Alex being a petty asshole making this claim because he has a guy who won an Edward R. Murrow award and he wants to be like, well, I've won things too.

I won this talkers award. It doesn't exist. Just because I thought it was really lame of him, I decided to check in and see if I could find his keynote speech from talkers, the convention in 2011. And it's fucking insane. There's a transcript for real? No, I found a video of it.

No, that's ridiculous. It's just Alex yelling at this seminar group, doing basically his radio shtick. Well, every now and again, you'll hear a voice in the crowd and be like, wow. He's just yelling to a bunch of conference attendees about the globalists. That's awful.

It's amazing. And they do give him a round of applause a couple of times. But one of them was like, he's talking about how, in his early days, he had to edit video from tape to tape and it would take forever. And so he was getting three hours of sleep a night for these years and he was coming up. He was like, I did it on coffee.

And that's what turned me into what I am today. And then he gets around to applause. Wait, he's doing an ad for coffee? I guess. But they give him a round of applause, but it feels like they're laughing at him. Because he's like, that's why I'm crazy. Yeah, of course.

We appreciate that you acknowledge. God, I would do anything to go back in time and have Alex speak at my high school graduation. That would be amazing. I would do anything. I would do anything. It would be very inspirational. It would.

It would probably go long. It would blow my mind. So I was listening to that speech and basically, if you want to know what it's like, it's basically an episode of this show. And so there wasn't a lot that I felt was worth going over, but he said one thing in it that I thought is absolutely crucial.

Because he's talking to a group of media insider folk and probably he's unaware that they're recording it. So there is a feel of like, we all know. It's us in here. Right, which is a vibe that you never really see from Alex. And he talks about his process. And I think this is kind of revealing. OK.

So because I work my way up in every media and every system trying to learn it, I mean, we would have had a lot more success up until now about it, obviously, knowing all this 16 years ago. It's like, I don't even know what I learned. I don't even know what I know. I just am able to do it. And I don't have an instinct for things.

And I know how to take a story, put an accurate headline out, but I want it to be read. But then I just know how to put the headline out so it'll have the biggest effect. And then I've got my crew and I'm always trying to teach them exactly. I'm like, watch this. This is what I'm going to say about this.

This is going to encapsulate what this really does. The system knows how to take something horrible and spin it like it's no big deal. We're going to take something that's hiding in plain view, put a new headline on it, have three-paragraph comment, put a blurb of that, point it out, and everybody goes, whoa. He's describing being a fabulous. Yeah, that's pretty direct, yeah.

He's just describing, I have an instinct for sensationalizing things, and that gets us a lot of traffic. Yep, yep, he just described that pretty succinctly, too. Like he didn't go long, and that was right on. Now granted, he will say that I give it an accurate headline. I'm sure that's what he likes to believe, and it's probably a better presentation than I sensationalize the shit out of things.

I understand clickbait in my bones. But that's exactly a lot of the criticisms I would level at his journalistic style. Lack of proving anything and flamboyant to ass headlines. They take things that are horrifying, and they know how to spin it so it looks like there's nothing going on, so what we do is take nothing going on and spin it like it's horrifying.

Yep, exactly. Oh, okay, well, that's bullshit? It's telling, because it also indicates an awareness on Alex's part that this is what he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. However much of it is just instinctual, and this is how I operate. It's like, well, you're aware of that being how you operate,

and you're misleading people. Yeah, my real ancestors are William Randolph-Hurst and no one else. Uh-huh, he was on the Mayflower. That's true. I saw it in an InfoWars headlight. So Alex gets to talking to Ben Swan, and like I said, most of the interview is predicated

on the idea that he's just left this station that he was working at, and so Alex says this. Ben Swan is our guest. We're gonna give you his Facebook, Twitter, all his websites and everything, and I can't wait to see what he ends up doing. He's told me a little bit behind the scenes, but we'll see how much he can tell us

on air straight ahead. So Alex is real excited to see what Ben Swan does next. Oh yeah. I don't know exactly what he did immediately after this. Okay, what has been Ben Swan do next? But I can tell you that in 2017, Ben Swan got fired and lost his job from a local CBS affiliate in Atlanta

after he started covering Pizza Gate. Oh boy. Oh, there we go. Okay, okay. That's the flavor that he's been dishing out. He got like real into reporting. Alex Jonesy type of conspiracy theories on a segment that he ran on the CBS station.

Oh, so he had his own, oh boy, that's really funny. Yeah, so he was doing these reports, and they were like, you gotta stop that. I think it was the Pizza Gate one, but it was like, no. No, no, no, no, no, we can't do this. And so he let the show go dormant, but apparently he was going to try and bring it back, and then they fired him.

Right, right, right. It's like, you just can't, you can't be associated with our station if you're gonna be pushing Pizza Gate shit. So was he working on like a local news broadcast, and he had like a little segment, like a little, we've got our remote reporter out here. God, can you imagine just watching WGN news at five, and then all of a sudden they're like,

all right, we're gonna throw this dude over here, and he's like, the Clintons are murdering children underneath my very feet right now. All right, we're gonna go back to you in studio. I might watch the news more, honestly. I don't watch the shit out of the news. I think it would be corrosive to news, but yeah. I know he also worked at RT for a little bit,

but I don't know if the, yeah, I don't think that's anything suspicious, necessarily, he just had a show there. It's more like his career has had a trajectory that seems to reflect someone who believes wacky, nonsensical bullshit, and was lucky to be a part of that team that won these Edward R Murrow. Reports, because everything else he's done

in his career since then, that ain't award worthy. Yeah, well, I mean, how well was it? What if it's a really, what if he's a really good producer? Like the segments are well produced, the direction is perfect, the cinematography's great. I saw the pizza, I saw the pizza gate one. It didn't seem any different than most local news reports.

Okay, well, they never buy it. He's not revolutionizing the field. No, okay. But Alex needs the story to be that Ben is leaving the station because he was told he couldn't cover things like Gun Grabs and Ron Paul. Well, he can't cover a pizza gate.

That's for damn sure. Well, again, that's later, but yes. So he's trying to push that, and he needs Ben to sign off on it in order to authenticate this like, Ben Swan came all the time, he told us he's being silenced. You can't trust any news. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But Ben, isn't it that narrative? The power structure knows liberty is popular. That's why they never want to give, give it a chance to get its roots going, and that's why they always try to suppress people. So bottom line, did you get told to back off? You know, it wasn't so much about being told to back off so much as the station has, you know,

they're moving in a certain direction. You just said not so much, they're moving in another direction. But that's how they do it. We don't like this direction. Let us nudge you, be honest, be honest, they told you knock it off. It really wasn't, it really wasn't.

These guys really want Cincinnati's Cintrick and we want bigger issues. And so kind of my view of where it was headed was different. It's not, they were always very supportive of what we were doing. And so I want to make that clear. So Alex can't handle that. This, I think that's probably totally believable

at this point in his career. It was like, I want to look at a bigger thing than a local news station probably allows. Like he got a bunch of attention from the like Patriot right wing media sphere, like online when he was covering Ron Paul stuff. And I bet that really felt like this is a direction I should go in.

That would put you butting heads, even if you're getting good ratings with a local station that that's kind of outside of their mandate for the most part. So obviously that would be like, we should go separate ways. Did Ron Paul come to Cincinnati? No, then fuck off.

Right, when he does go for it. Yeah, we'd be happy to do so. And tell them that's not what our station is. So I can see that being very believable. But I see Alex's response being so based in his own ego that like this is what happened to me. I need to discredit all media forces except my own. I need this to be the truth.

So he acts like he knows the reality of Ben's situation better than Ben himself does. It's lame. It is, it is never, it is unendingly funny to me. Anytime somebody gives a very direct question that has two answers, affirmative or negative. And the person responds to it, well, you know, there are a lot of different things.

Do you know what that answer is? Whatever answer you hoped it was going to be, it is not that answer. Probably not. You wanted to know, well, guess what? I've got a long string of words for you that equal up to not know, man, not know. So Alex is excited for Ben Swan's future

and he wants him to work at InfoWars. Sure, of course. And Ben does not want to work at InfoWars. He doesn't seem into it, but he is also not anti-Alex. He's not, he's pretty friendly and seems to be congratulatory of Alex's accomplishments. He says that the Piers Morgan thing was the best thing he's ever seen on TV.

Sure. So he's into Alex. But I would imagine he knows well enough that like I can't work there. That would be a huge fuck up. Or at least he's willing to leave his options open until other local affiliates have no interest in him. Right, like they did after Pizza Game.

Yeah, exactly. Alex wants him to work there. But more importantly, there's this place that he doesn't want him to work. And we'll get back together very soon. I'll see you then. All right, there you go. And people always ask me,

why do I promote other liberty oriented medium? I do it because we don't have a future if we don't. And it's funny you mentioned Beck in there. I think I told you like six months ago off air, I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Beck doesn't offer you a job because I know he's building a whole network off basically ideas I put on there, which is fine.

I think that's great. And just my only painful thing is hearing something him reading word for word info wars articles, then telling his listeners, don't trust info wars. I mean, I see it all the time. Every time I tune in, it's insane. So Glenn Beck has stolen the blaze from Alex. Yeah.

And don't go work there. Don't. Whatever you do, don't work there. And he steals all my stuff every day and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't have a problem with that. There's no problem with that. I've just mentioned it 45 times today

and I don't have a problem with it. You only repeat things repetitively if you don't have a problem with that. Yeah, if there's soft, trivial issues that don't really matter to you. I would say that the rest of that interview is not worthwhile. It's mostly Alex trying to cast aspersions about the media as a whole and apply that Ben got forced out or whatever.

It's lame. But we've heard Alex say a lot of really unacceptable things on this podcast. I would say it's today. Sure. And I would say that he's crossed a lot of lines. This next clip, he's crossed another line. And this is one I'm going to have to take very seriously.

OK. I mean, I was watching this morning. There's a story up on infowars.com about Kesha. And I hadn't really ever followed her. And I watched a couple of her videos. And it's teaching 14-year-old girls how to commit suicide and songs about committing suicide and having her fans send in their teeth around her neck

and how she loves Satan and the devil and all of this. And they're not just doing this to be cool. This is the spirit of the age. This is how do we hurt the youth? How do we screw them up so bad? They roll over to us to bring in the control grid. And I'm going to break down what the control grid is. Don't you dare mess with Kesha.

Shut the fuck up, old man. What was that? Oh, there's Satanism in music in 2013. Did you never hear of music before? All of it. All of it. Yeah, and what's really weird to me is like, OK, this is in April 12, 2013.

Kesha released Die Young, like six months prior to this. It was in the end of... What are you doing? Yeah, it was like fourth quarter, 2012, that that came out. Dude, don't anybody tell him about Led fucking Zeppelin. He'll get in real trouble there. There's nothing current about this. He's just taking pot shots at Kesha.

And that is not cool. Also, that song is not encouraging suicide. Let's make the most of the night like we're going to die. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not just because the name of the song is not reading between the lines, Dan. It's not what they say. It's what they're saying that you think they're saying.

Kesha's fantastic pop and I will hear nothing against her from the likes of Alex fucking Jones. Yeah, no shit. How dare you? How dare you? If you start talking about Carly Rae Jepsen, I am going to quit this podcast. I'm not doing this.

Look, how many times? I've let this one go. Right. I still can't go after pink, though, can I? No, leave pink alone, too. Although I haven't heard anything of hers for quite a while. See, there we go. I'm waiting for the statute of limitations

to run out on shit and all over pink with you. That may end up happening at some point. But Kesha, Carly Rae, Jepsen, Lana Del Rey, to some extent. Right, right, right. Let's go through here. Although I do think I've heard Alex complain about Lana Del Rey. I do.

I do think I've heard that before. I mean, there are some legitimate complaints. She's a lot darker. Yeah, her most recent album is actually not terrible. I've not heard it. I'm sure it's great. So like I mentioned, Leanne McAdoo has been hired at this point. And Alex describes this bit that he had her do,

like go out and do this man on the street thing. And you know, he has brass balls complaining that other people are ripping him off when this is how he describes what he's having his employees do. Leanne McAdoo, the story's up on prisonplanet.tv. She went out and could find no one that knew that the hydrogen monoxide was water. Redoing a pen and teller skit from like nine years ago.

We heard that yesterday. You just admitted that you stole that bit from someone else. It's already been done? Yeah. Great, great, Alex. Good work, guys. Very original, very fresh, unlike Glenn Beck. I hate it when people steal my stuff.

It's no big deal, though. No, totally not. No big deal. So like I said, though, there seems to be a very large obsession on this episode with these prank man on the street videos. I think Alex might be recognizing that like, OK, we're in a holding pattern.

I've already got really extreme in my rhetoric. Now what we need to do is create the news. Yeah, yeah. We can't rely on waiting for something to happen that we can then manipulate. We need to send somebody out and then we can completely manufacture a perception. We could just cut out all the people who talk to the man

on the street that doesn't go along with the preconceived notion that we're pushing. I think it feels like that's what's going on, because it's very over how much he's talking about this Mark Dice video and Leigh Ann's work. It's weird. It's weird to me. But that's the real strong sense that I get.

And just one piece of advice to everybody who does those, especially those in bad faith, don't do it live. How many times have you seen Fox News' people go out on the street trying to do those man on the street and then get dunked on by some random ass stranger? That great one was like a 12-year-old who's like, shut the fuck up. Let me explain climate change to you.

I'm going to die. That happened to Owen Shroyer when that kid flipped him off. Yeah, that's right. That was good stuff. Yeah, so Alex knows this. So he talks about this Mark Dice report. And I think there's some weird stuff going on. First of all, Mark Dice's report isn't like Mark Dice report.

I don't give a shit. Right, of course not. Nothing about it could ever be persuasive, compelling, funny, interesting, none of it. But Alex's response to it and how he's using it, I find kind of interesting. And that is what's happened. I mean, it is a mass zombiosis.

So when they laugh at you, that's a pre-programmed response. Because they've seen millions of simulated murders on TV, death killing, video games. So you tell them about, hey, two million dead Chinese in a nuclear attack. And they just go, I don't care. Because they can't differentiate what's real. And this has been done scientifically.

The globalist bragged about this. Bernay's bragged about it 60, 70 years ago. But Alex is presenting the other, there's another Mark Dice video where he asks them about, like, do you hear that the Renuked China earlier this week? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And most of those people, again, are probably high or drunk out on the boardwalk.

They don't give a fuck about what this guy is saying. Right. Or it's politeness. If you were to ask me about that on the street, I'd be like, I don't know. Because I haven't heard that. Yeah. But also, I don't want to be like, that didn't happen.

Because maybe I haven't looked at the news that day. Right, right, right, right. Or something. It's manipulative. It's just fucking nonsense. And he's using it to paint the idea that everyone are zombies. They can't think, and the globalists want it that way.

But in reality, it's very clearly, like, it's part of the game when you're doing man on the street shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. That's so unbelievably stupid. That is so unreal. Look, do you remember 9-Eleven?

Nobody was like, oh, you know, oh, did the Twin Towers, whatever, moving on. To be a nuclear weapon being used in 2013 would be 9-Eleven. Yes. It would be 9-Eleven. Right, but even if someone came up to you and you hadn't heard this news, probably because it didn't happen, and they asked you about it,

your response wouldn't be, fuck you, you're full of shit, or something like that. Mine would, yes. It may be, but you'd get cut out of the video. I would get cut out of the video. That's true. Yeah, most people, I think, as long as they weren't angry at the person asking them the questions,

if there was a sort of friendly-ish exchange happening, you're like, I don't know that. I didn't hear that. Oh, wow, there's something. And then you'd look it up later, and they'd be like, oh, that guy lied to me, or whatever. Man, that's just too big. That's a bad one, just because here's

the only way that somebody tells you that you don't already know it in a genuine way. It is you watching a crowd of people running towards you, and one of them grabs your shoulders and go, we just hit China with a nuclear weapon, and you're like, holy shit, and you run with them. And then later, you find out it was an improv everywhere, sketch.

That's the only thing. I wouldn't put it past Mark Dice to organize a crowd of people to run and yell at somebody. See, now then, if you say that you don't believe it, then you're crazy. Yeah. So Alex talks now more about the Mark Dice video about taking people's guns.

He's gone out with a petition that is basically like we're going to confiscate people's guns. And Alex's response to this is so weird. That's what matters in this universe. And I just have, I was just reading the Bible pastors this morning about turn the other cheek, but that's with your brethren, not with a new order. Christ beat the money changers, but when your brethren

are having issues, you need to love them, especially to guide them and build them up to do the great work that needs to be done fighting tyranny. We are builders, and that's our job. And we need to shake these zombies out of their mind control. Here's Mark Dice's excellent report. We're going to just repeal the Second Amendment

and take the guns away from the crazy right-wing white extremists and just make sure that only the illegal undocumented people should stay on the streets. The white guys should. Thank you so much. Just thank you. Alex seems to be really focused on talking over this video to point out people's races.

Like, here's another example of it from just a little bit later. Strangels. OK. Take away their guns. Well, birthday. What's the, what's the, oh, my birthday. He looks like he's white, black mixed.

We're repealing the Second Amendment, door to door. What is going on? Why is it, like, that's most of the commentary that he gives over this video. It's like, that is a white guy signing it. Oh, this guy looks like he's a white, black mixed. That's really gross. It's very strange.

That's very gross. There is a sense of somehow this has a real racial component to it, to Alex, that I feel is uncomfortable. Here's what I am getting. And obviously, I can't prove this. What I'm getting from this is based on my knowledge of Alex's cosmology, a white dude signing this is the sign that the globalists have successfully

tricked everybody. Because a white dude saying that he wants crazy right wing white guy's guns away. Right. Well, that's race trader. It's a betrayal to Alex. Exactly. That's what that is.

So that's why he's pointing out races. Because if a white dude does it, then yeah. That's a vibe that I got. But again, I agree with you. Can't prove that. Can't prove it. It just feels like something that he does a bit. And a mentality that he has.

So in the video, Mark Dice fucks around a little bit. And this is, this just. Triple double, of course. This made me laugh pretty hard. Only two young women. You said it since years. 17 said no. No.

Thank you. A chance to win a free Xbox to repeal the Second Amendment. Pure genius. It's pure genius. Pure genius. Mark Dice to offer an Xbox to sign his petition. Pure genius. That is, there's no way.

Anybody could view that as anything other than genius. Absolutely. It's just, it's revolutionary game changing stuff where Mike, Mark Dice says, do you want an Xbox sign this position? I am personally sad that Stephen Hawking is dead. Because if he had been listening to our show, he could have gotten an email from him saying, got to confirm Mark Dice's pure genius.

I mean, he did get one of those genius grants. He, uh, the very thought. No, he got a Mac Arthur grant. It was, it's not a MacArthur grant. It's a Mac Arthur grant. Same name, the words caused so much confusion. So much trouble. All the worst.

So, um, Alex, at this point, he's got to go with what he knows. And he knows that Steve Pachanik is coming on his show all the fucking time. Oh boy. At this stretch of, of April. And so he's a intro-ing Steve here. And I think that the way he does this is like so laughably absurd. I was just out there, they have CNN on the TV. You guys pump that in here for TV viewers, radio listeners.

Paul Begala, I mentioned that weeks ago, he has his own TV show, his own TV show, and, and notice all over CNN, ABC, you name it. It's nothing but former government people. Because it's state-run media. He's gearing up to introduce Steve Pachanik. And he's complaining about CNN being full of ex-government people, intelligence folks. You're introducing a guy who fits that description perfectly.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I was, I was wondering that. Is there, there's a follow-up to it, right? Which is, that's a great idea for a show. It's terrible when CNN does it, but because Steve is one of the good guys. Oh, okay. Definitely not fucking with us. Right, right, right.

It's, he's cool. He's cool. He gets a pass. Man, it seems like the definition of somebody who's former government, but it's okay to have them on my show is just anybody who's former government who is willing to come on my show. And who's crazy and maybe complains about minorities working in the TSA. Maybe.

Oh, God. So Alex gives Steve a glowing introduction. Sure. And then he, in this clip, you'll hear some of that introduction. And then he asks Steve a question that a human cannot answer. This is an impossible. And Steve does. No, I don't, I mean, he just goes on to, he just says whatever he wants to say.

Right, right, right. But listen to this fucking question. This is absurd. Like if you're starting an interview with somebody, you don't do something like this. Most of you know who he is. Very interesting guys, helped overthrow governments with PsyOps, you name it. And he joins us. Here's what I wanted to cover with you.

Just out of the gate, sir, just a quick answer on this. You said it's all a false flag between China, the U.S., North Korea and others. But, you know, to sell weapons and the North Korea wants oil and food. But, and it's not a black box, obviously. Since you talked to us, it turns out there were secret meetings. Put that up on screen, guys, Reuters. With the Pentagon, Kim Jong-un a month ago, before all this started, and I have Rumsfeld, a mainstream news articles from 15 years ago, up on infowars.com.

Who gave North Korea the nukes in the first place? The U.S. government and the CIA, China's massing troops on the border with North Korea, threatening them like they never had before. Is North Korea almost out of China's control? Have they done a flip-flop, you know, like, stalling away from Hitler? Or has Hitler cheated him first with their deal in Poland? Is Kim Jong-un actually being manipulated, or will he be double-crossed, now threatening to nuke Tokyo?

I mean, am I wrong, sir, in saying this is unprecedented? Dr. Steve Pacanik joining us. That is not a good intro question. He throws out, like, 50 fucking ideas. There were 15 questions. Yeah. There are five references to his own website, referencing things that have nothing to do with the question that I assume he's asking.

Well, maybe on a tertiary level, but yeah, they're not, like, you don't need, you could just ask a straightforward question. You don't need to rant for a minute, and just, you put the person who's supposed to answer that question in a possible predicament, because they can't respond to all of that. No. Even if you're taking notes, you couldn't respond to all of that. I was trying to follow along with what I thought the question might wind up being. Way off.

Absolutely. Way off. Absolutely. And it creates, like, within the body of the question, he's introducing either or questions that, like, those aren't all the options. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're completely discounting other possibilities. You're just, you're trying to focus this here.

In that question, in that question, I counted eight semicolons, and I don't think that's a good question. It's too many. So Steve just sort of butters Alex up, flatters him, and then puts forth his version of what's going on in North Korea, which has been his, his business over the last week. Let's say, well, he may or may not have been in South Korea. I have no fucking idea. But you know, he does, he does what he does best, and that is flatter the shit out of

Alex. This is unprecedented. Dr. Steve Poczennik joining us. No, not it. Alex, first of all, let me congratulate you. I came here to San Francisco, and believe it or not, I was at Berkeley last night, and you are a hero in a left-wing organization called Berkeley University. You are sitting at home.

Shut the fuck up. He is sitting at home. He is sitting at home. Do you notice how his audio quality isn't that different from when he was in South Korea? Nope. Very strange. It seems weird.

Weird. He's sitting in his goddamn recliner. Alex, I'm in. I was at Berkeley, and I got to say, you're a hero of the left. What? What the fuck are you selling? Well, he's selling himself to Alex, and he's doing a great job. It's crazy.

He is so good at this, this flattery game. It is ridiculous. And the fact that Alex doesn't see through it, and is not even, not even a little bit. It's brutal. It is. God, if you were to go back and listen to that, oh, that would break your heart, right? Your Alex? Yeah.

Oh, it's got to be. Knowing what you know now, listening to that, you'd have to just look at it and be like, the signs were there, and they were all fucking there. Yeah, it's like, this one is on me. Yep. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me consistently for five to 10 years. That one's on me.

It's like, yes, Steve is running a quote unquote Psyop or whatever. He's responsible for his actions, but yeah, I was, uh, I was, uh, I was, uh, I was, uh, really should, uh, should have seen that one. Could I, uh, I could have listened to my show one time would have gotten it. I could have asked Steve a follow up question ever. So it's, it's not really a great interview. It's a retreading a lot of the same territory of his previous North Korea calls, which are largely about the media hyping this up and then China being the string pullers and Kim

Jong-un just not really being in charge and whatever. So it's not really worth all that much, but he does say something interesting in this, this next clip. And it's kind of indicative of the exact opposite of things that you'd be telling Alex two years later. Then you have the head of the CIA, John Brennan, who we know is totally incompetent and created a lot of the false flag. Then we have on top of that, the head of DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, Mike Flynn,

in general, who really doesn't know anything. Then above that, Mike Flynn doesn't know anything. Nothing. He's, Michael Flynn is a part of the Trump's team that he's putting together to do the counter. No idea what you're talking about. So once he doesn't know anything, once the counter coup narrative needs to be put in place, Mike Flynn is a heroic know it all kind of general, but now here in 2013, Mike

Flynn doesn't know anything. He doesn't know anything. Not interested in Mike Flynn. That's interesting to me. It is very different. Yeah. Very different. It really feels like they will just change the, not, not the narrative, but the pieces

inside of it. You know, like the narrative remains strong and the pieces inside, they'll just fit however they want to. Yeah. So we get to the, there's no show on the 13th because that's a Saturday and we get to the 14th and man, I don't have much from this episode. It's really boring. Yeah.

It's like, there is a real lack of clips from a lot of these shows because it's just kind of retreading the same stuff, saying the same shit over and over again. And I guess I did fail to mention that he had an interview with shooter Jennings who he claimed he was not having on just because he loves whaling Jennings. But who cares? Okay. It was, it was inconsequential. All right.

So the only shooter I want on the info wars is the one from happy Gilmore. Okay. We can do that. We can hook that up. I like him. So the only two clips I have, one is completely irrelevant and the next is Alex signing off his show. Okay.

So here's the completely irrelevant one. Here we go. Here's Morgan. He has armed guards at his house, armed guards at his house on record, a project Veritas exposed that. Of course he does. When you see video of him when he's out in LA with like three bodyguards, you imagine going out to eat at a restaurant where it's already exclusive and that they've already

got bodyguards there. You've got to have three bodyguards sitting at a table next to you because your peers Morgan. I mean, give me a break. Man. I'll just have your wife pack heat in her purse. She went in 2019. Alex employs black water, former black water guys to go on planes with him and go everywhere

with it. Right. So I don't know. He does. His wife does carry a revolver in her purse though. So fine. You still need security. Alex.

Oh, come on. So that's, that's just a little bit silly and then here's how he signs off the show. Like there really isn't much going on. It's all just these exact same things talking about that family that kidnapped their kids and tried to flee to Cuba, painting them as the government's trying to take your kids. The protester at that city councilman speech where the guy says, you're going to need that sign later when we come and take your gun. Just all of it.

It's so repetitive. It's just, it was mind-numbing to listen to these couple of days because the thing that's tough about the mind-numbing-ness of it is that there's very real terror in that too. You know, like it's these same things that have already looked into and we've already discussed, but on their own, had we not have listened to them, they're fucked up. Right. Right. It's still creating a panic.

It's still creating a mentality and reinforcing it repeatedly that this is Armageddon. Yeah. It is happening. We are in the middle of this civil war that I have decided we're in. Right, right, right. Everything is an existential threat. The globalists are moving now because they're 10 years late on their plans. They've actuaried it out.

Mark Dice has demonstrated shit. It's all that. And so like, I don't, I don't mean to say that nothing is happening, but it's such a like. It's like road hypnosis. It's like when you've been driving for a long time and you're falling asleep and you, like, because you forget, oh, that's right, I am driving a four-ton murder machine. Right.

And I'm honestly close to falling asleep, doing this insanely dangerous thing. And that's a demonstration of what I was talking about at the beginning of this episode with his like subconscious effect on people. If I'm here critically listening to this and researching and looking into his narratives and I am experiencing like, this is so repetitive, you know, I am dulled to the horror and the awfulness of a lot of the things that he's saying, imagine if you're not being critical when you're listening, the effect of it would be awful. Like you internalize these things.

Like I've internalized them as, as something he won't stop talking about. If you don't listen with a critical eye or even a sympathetic one, if you have sympathetic ears to him, like you could very easily, without realizing it, create inside yourself the feeling that these things are actually happening, that it is the end of the world, that this is the Democrats and the globalists are about to take the guns and take you and your family off to a FEMA torture camp. Yeah, I mean, and it's such that even if you're like, even if you only listen to Alex while you're in the car for on the way to the grocery store, but you have it on every day.

So you listen to him for 10 minutes every day, though. But if he keeps saying that, if you keep hearing the same shit in those 10 minutes, you're going to think, oh my God, it, he wouldn't keep talking about it as much if it weren't so important. And there's a subconscious thing that people expect people to act straight up, you know, like, so you, if you hear him say this for weeks, you would think whether you actually think this or it's just sort of subconscious, you would be telling yourself like if he said that two weeks ago and he was wrong, he would correct himself.

Yeah. And so the fact that it just keeps going this same way, it kind of leads you to think like, well, he must know what he's talking about. He hasn't corrected it. No one sued him. So like it, and it's just, right, the experience of it is really weird because, you know, I know that the Boston bombing is tomorrow in this chronology. And I know that these episodes are boring as shit.

So I don't, I, I, you never really find exactly what you expect, but I guess you could kind of maybe expect that. Yeah. Like, cause there is no connection necessarily between his show and events that are to happen later. Right. And it's not like you would expect the show to be really exciting as a lead up into real world events.

They're completely disconnected. So it's fascinating to me that it is, it is this way. It is molasses. Yeah. Like trying to walk through it. Yeah. Like it's just, so, I mean, I, it'll get where it's going, right? But anyway, here's how he signs off the show on the 14th.

I'll be back tomorrow, 11 a.m. central. Folks, if you aren't paying attention, something's wrong with you. America has been taken over by a bunch of criminals because we've been complacent. It's time to wake up or be totally enslaved info wars.com. Get that video out. So I mean, if you believe that, I mean, that's his consistent thesis is the America has been taken over. He keeps calling the people in the government and occupying force and like, I mean, we could

unpack for a second how that's the exact same rhetoric, exact same mentality, exact same description as neo-Nazis talking about a Zionist occupied government. He just takes the Zionist part, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. You could talk about that.

And that's interesting. Something we've touched on a bunch in the past. You could talk about how like this is all, this is all just waiting for the spark. Yeah. Like all of it is so bad and waiting for the spark that comes tomorrow. Right. Right. Right.

Right. It's, it's exactly what he needs. This is like re-watching a Dragon Ball Z recap episode or like when they're doing the training montage where you're like, dude, I know tomorrow we're going to fucking fight Frieza. Why are we spending all day today? Just going back. I know. Goku's doing bullshit.

Come on, man. Right. And we'll get to Goku's bullshit on the next 2013 episode. But I think it, I think it's worth it to have experienced this ride. Absolutely. The things that are going to happen, I bet, after the bombing are going to be continuations of the rhetoric and the worldview that we've seen built up over the course of the last months of his show.

Right. Like they're not, they're not isolated in that sense. Right. I'm almost positive that everything is going to be a, I was right about everything and complete escalation of the dangerous trends that we're seeing particularly in the beginning of April. Yeah. Stick around to take an even more prominent role.

I, I just, it's a mess. It's a mess. Due to circumstance, his bullshit is going to feel way more important to people who already were sympathetic to it, but are now like, not only is he right, he's right now. Well, because he frames everything as a false flag. So I'm not saying that Boston was a false flag, but he will. Yeah. Right.

And how dare you ask that, how dare you because he sees it that way. He's going to make the argument that I've been saying forever, the false flag is coming. I told you like in the last weeks that something was about to happen. I could feel it and all this, but we've gone over it and listen to it. It's always him saying that the globalists are going to be in Chicago. Yeah. He's going to be right if you are dumb and uncritically listening to the show, but he's wrong.

Um, actually. Right. And I think that's going to be a real serious problem. I really think, well, we live in 2019 and yes, it is. I think it's going to be a more immediate problem in 2013 though, because he's going to be able to play around with those ideas of credibility. Yeah. I was right.

I think that is maybe going to much like Icarus, give him too much hubris and fly too close to the son of saying everybody is actors and everything's fake. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, he's already there. Oh yeah. Like he's not saying that Sandy Hook was actors, but he's dancing around it. He's dipping his, he's dipping his toe in it prior to the bombing.

He's calling other things like the Aurora shooting. There were actors there, the victims and survivors. So like he's already on the precipice of this. Like life to his own devices, he would jump with or without the bombing. Yeah. I think it's unrelated, but it also might be a huge catalyst for him to immediately go and aggressively go in that direction. But we'll see.

He's standing on the diving board, kind of like a little nervous bouncing up and down. And then this Boston bombing is the guy kicking him and he has to jump. Yeah. It almost feels like to some extent our prediction was right and wrong. Yeah. Related to the Boston bombing. As is always the case here. Yeah.

So we'll see what happens. We will cover Alex's response to the tragedy in Boston on our next 2013 episode. This investigation is really morphed. Yeah. It really has. Yeah. This is not like the 2015 investigation at all. This has taken so many different twists and turns.

Yeah. I would not have expected. Yeah. It's very weird, very unexpected, but it's, I don't know, maybe, maybe we're learning something. I mean, is it even an investigation anymore or are we just kind of like covering both the present and somewhat a targeted past simultaneously? Yeah.

Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. Anyway, we'll be back with more of it. Yeah. And no Sam Tripoli on our next episode. Never again. Never again.

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That's what I was thinking about. I lost it. Yeah. I lost it there because I was like, Hamison. And I couldn't find it. You're spinning your wheels. And then it died on me. That's all right.

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