Knowledge Fight - #347: September 23, 2019

Episode Date: September 25, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on the present day of Alex Jones' show to see what's up. In this installment, the gents explore Alex's strange new musical interest, discuss his some of his feelings about the climate, and learn that Alex's dad may actually be a life-long member of the Globalists.

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Alex Jones, right, that was sort of like a bad wrestling announcer, the way you were holding the mic, let's get ready to rumble, absolutely, absolutely, I think I just got charged copyrighted. The buffers are going to come after you for that, I think so, they got a lot of money tying up in it. I do not like it when people tell people to rumble, what's up, oh Dan, you know what, I don't know if I've ever asked you this show or outside, this will make for an interesting question, have you ever done sketch comedy, Dan, I mean, have you ever done a sketch,

I don't know if I do, yeah, I told you that when I was in church, but going to church was on the drama to get sketches during the youth services, I mean, I mean, in a sense of actual comedy, maybe a little bit back when I lived in Missouri, I was like trying anything I could, because you know, there's no community there, there's no real opportunity to do stand up all that much. So I started my own bar show that went pretty well, and then I also tried to get in on the internet sketch little video game, and I am no good at it, I am very bad at it. You're a zilch.

Yeah, made a couple like little video sketches, they were just not, do you have anyone that's memorable? There was one comedian, New York comedian, semi-famous New York comedian Kyle Ayers, he and I came up together in Columbia, Missouri, and so we had one sketch where the whole premise was that we were trying to come up with a nickname for me, and so we were sitting there on a couch, and I kept coming up with names that were like the Denialator or something like Dan, something, and it was just like bickering, that was the whole thing. Me, him, and Ryan Beck, another comedian, three of us would always get into fights about

how I thought the essence of comedy is arguing with each other, people just having disagreements, they would disagree with me, and then I would make it funny or disagree, but no, I proved my point. They didn't enjoy that. No, absolutely not. So those meetings about doing sketches was probably more fun and funnier than the actual sketches themselves that ever got produced, but it wasn't something I wanted to pursue, I'm not a very good actor, I can't remember lines that well, I'm not really good at improvising,

like I can have a conversation with somebody, but once the pressure of like we're in a scene and I've got to come up with something to like follow the game, I can't do that shit. You don't really get into the moment. I have no patience for it. You have no patience for not thinking. Nope. Nope. You have no patience for the instant reaction of something.

If I were in an improv show, like I've seen a lot of them, I don't hate improv or anything, but I've seen a lot of them that are pretty bad, and most of the time I imagine myself in the scene, and my reaction is going to be like, fuck this noise, I'm just leaving. What are you doing? And that breaks everything. That would be the best episode of whose line is it anyway, ever somebody just walks up there to Colin mockery is like, this is fucking stupid and then just storms off, Ryan, Ryan's right.

I gotta go. Would not be as compelling television. So no, I don't know a whole lot about sketch comedy, but I do know quite a bit about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me about both. That's right. And that's the theme of this year show. That's the gig.

Jordan, today we're going to be going over a present day episode. We're going to be talking about September 23rd. 2019. There's some interesting stuff that goes on. There's some stuff that infuriates me. There'll be some stuff that infuriates you. So we're going to cover all of our bases on the 23rd. I can't think of any large events that could occur that Alex had stuff to say about that

would infuriate specifically. You might have a take on the climate protests. Interesting. I wonder if it's great. It's pretty good. It's not, but something that is pretty good. Pretty great is how I feel about the people who have signed up and are sporting the show. So we shall take a moment to say thank you to a couple of them there folks.

So first of all, Chris, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Chris. Next twist, Christopher. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you, Christopher. Thanks, Christopher. All right. You know, that's some improv comedy right there. The Chris contingent is coming together. Yeah. The Chris coalition. That's true.

There's a good name in there somewhere. Next, Justin. Thank you so much. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Justin. Next, Jenny with an I. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Jenny. Thanks, Jenny. I'm going to dot that I with a heart. I'll be goddamn sure about that. Absolutely. Next, Michael. Thank you, so much.

You're now a policy Wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Michael. And then finally, Callan. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Callan.

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Show. I don't know. I would appreciate it. You're trailing off. Yeah. So, Jordan, today we start on the 23rd. And this is really interesting because Alex starts the show with the music that I've never heard him use before.

Okay. And it actually kind of got me pretty excited. Pretty hyped. Ladies and gentlemen, it is September 23rd, 2019. I'm your Alex Jones host and we are here attempting to cover the news and chronicle what's unfolding and what we're about to witness here. Three things. First of all, that's Lana Del Rey.

Is that Lana Del Rey? Okay. Second, Alex said, I'm your Alex Jones host. And third, he said we're going to attempt to cover the news. Oh boy. That's a bad intro. That's a trifecta of greatness right there. So Jordan, it's profoundly weird that Alex is opening his show with a song by Lana Del

Rey immediately after we talked about him not liking her on our last episode. It is really not weird. It makes perfect sense. They are fucking with us. No, it could easily be misconstrued as that, like sending subtle messages to us. And if I were the type of person who likes Alex a bunch or someone who works for InfoWars and likes to create false perceptions, I would probably accept that's the reality of what's going on.

And I would tell the audience, hey, Alex is fucking with us by playing Lana Del Rey. Right. It'd be hilarious. But that's not the case. Oh no. In truth, it seems like Alex really likes Lana Del Rey's new album, Norman fucking Rockwell. Fine. Fine.

I love it. Yeah. Great. Great. I had to look into it a little bit because I know he hated her in the past, but now he loves this new album. Where do you do the research that says he loves the new album by Lana Del Rey? Well, you see, he thinks that she's celebrating Americana.

Oh, okay. Never mind. Never mind. That's easy. I think he might be missing out on some of the subtler artistic elements of Lana's style, but I believe that to some of the music critics out there. So I was trying to look into this because I was like, I remember him hating her. And I found a clip from late August, one of the shows that I must not have listened to

because I missed some here and there. But on this episode, Alex like goes into how he just downloaded the Lana Del Rey album because he saw Matt Drudge tweet about it. Oh my God. He's like, there is beauty in the world. Jesus Christ. It's a great reminder. All right.

All right. Fine. So here's a little clip of that where he's talking about Lana Del Rey's new album. It's really great. And then he tells a little tale out of school about how he almost met Lana Del Rey 10 years ago. Jesus Christ. They put out three music videos that I've seen by Del Rey so far, and they're all incredibly

nostalgic American flags back when people were moving to California back when it was the boom state. So it's fifties asked sixties asked real quick. That song California that he was playing in the intro there is about like some guy who's gone and moved away out of America. And if you come back, I want to fuck you right to be clear. That is the metaphor for Americana. What are you talking about?

I guess. Yeah. And it's like a big old glass of pure rainwater with big old juicy ice cubes in it when you've been marching through the middle of the desert. So whether you're listening to Beethoven's ninth or tuning into this young lady, it doesn't matter how more she's been in the past. Real quick. Wow.

He's talking about this. They flash up on screen the album cover, but they have to crop it because it's Norman fucking Rockwell. Right. Right. Right. They can't show Norman fucking Rockwell. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's truly, truly beautiful. Though I do wish that time. I got invited by Mr. Perry and the singer from Aerosmith to go cut their new album 10 years ago. I was invited for a week to be there in San Diego with him. She talks about Long Beach in San Diego and one of her songs.

She was there then and I didn't go because I was too busy fighting the New World Order. Hold on. That's not name dropping. But I remember they were like, Stephen Tyler is dating a woman 30 years junior and it looks just like his daughter, which she does have that elfin look like his daughter. But the point is, is that I had a chance to go. I like Aerosmith, but I'm just not into running around, following rock stars around. I got invited to go hang out with Metallica a couple of times and I didn't do it either

and I'm not name dropping. I just don't care about a bunch of dudes. What? No matter how cool their music is, or no matter the fact I was, you know, nine or 10 years old when they only played heavy metal past midnight on the rock station and I'd stay up and listen to it in my room with, you know, with a headset on. Okay. Now he has rambles from there, but he loves his Lanabelle Ray album.

He could have mattered 10 years ago and it's fucking great. It's ridiculous. This is ridiculous. That is, that is, uh, well, so one of them is not into a bunch of dudes. Right. That's a strange way to put it. Next time you invite me out, I'm going to tell you honestly, I cannot go out with you. I am too busy fighting the new world order.

Dad, you know what? Honestly, you know, if you reframe the new world order as Alex's bullshit, I might have turned down a number of invitations in my life because I'm too busy with this shit. That's a good point. So the reason that I think that this is really funny that Alex loves her new album is because in February, 2017, Alex ran an article on info wars with the headline quote, Lana Del Ray joins effort to defeat Trump with witchcraft. This was in response to Lana tweeting about using witchcraft to unseat Trump.

So I guess I kind of have to give it up to him. That's kind of a fair headline. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. But now she's released Norman fucking Rockwell and Alex has decided that she's the best and is really putting out music that promotes the version of Americana that he's into, which seems weird. For one, she's been working on that album for a long time. She started on it in like 2016.

So she was definitely writing and recording the songs that are on this album in the same time span when she decided to take out Trump with witchcraft and Alex got really furious about it. Right. Further, the album is co-produced by Jack Antonoff, who dated Lana Dunham for like five years, someone who Alex thinks is a literal demon. Does he somehow think that the person who dated a literal demon for a half decade and a person trying to unseat Trump through witchcraft came together and put out a straightforward

album glorifying the right wing fantasies about America? That seems naive. God works in mysterious ways, Dan. He chooses his actors from amongst the, the gloried and the sinners, both. I couldn't find the specific articles, but I also do remember Alex yelling about how like Lana Del Rey is born to die album was like celebrating death and like all this shit. Of course. I like, I like how quickly things can change for him.

Doesn't matter how boorish her behavior was in the past. She tried to use devilry to unseat your favorite right, right, right, but these are these are some good tracks. All right. These are some good. She's got some licks, Dan. So I decided that if Alex loves this album so much, it's probably time for me to jump in and give it a listen.

All in all, on a first listen, I think it's a great Lana Del Rey album, which is to say that it's lousy with dark sarcasm. And most of the songs are about fucking dudes. You probably shouldn't fuck right now. Lana Del Rey's work usually has dual meetings involved in a lot of like veiled stuff in it. For instance, her first album, born to die, appears to largely be about the trappings of fame and the shallowness therein and complicated relationships.

However, in an interview with GQ, she explained that a lot of the album is about the period of time when she was sent to Kent boarding school at the age of 14 because she was a child alcoholic. She also revealed that she almost exclusively drank alone, which kind of introduces the thought that a lot of the characters in the songs on that album might not actually be people but drives within herself. Yeah. A lot of the album does work if you view it as an ironic take on the vapidity of show

business and the pursuit of wealth and fame over everything else. But there are also other things that Lana is clearly expressing in those songs, which is one of the things that makes her work particularly interesting to me. Gee, it's a unique sound and makes great bitingly dark pop songs that also have layers to them. And obviously, she's not the only artist out there you could say that about, but it doesn't really matter to me. I enjoy her work.

Yeah. If you disagree and think I should be listening to better things, I agree. I also listen to Carly Rae Jepsen. Sure. Calm down. What are we doing? Right. What's the point?

I would sum this up this way. This is characterized Lana Del Rey's career has been a strain of mocking the myths we tell ourselves about our cultures, our lives and our country. Right. And in her videos, she uses a lot of patriotic imagery for ironic effect. Alex Jones, because he lacks any depth in his ability to analyze things, sees an American flag and thinks it's something that's patriotic. In effect, he is what she's mocking because, but because Lana Del Rey makes really good

music, even the target of her ridicule is lured into thinking that she's on their side. This is really impressive stuff and a really delicious piece of stupidity on Alex's part. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a big glass of rainwater with juicy ice cubes. I don't think he's big into satire. I don't think he quite gets it. No.

No. I do. I do really enjoy that though. It's a very unexpected twist. First of all, that Matt drudges into Norman fucking Rockwell. Yeah, that one surprised me. And Alex Tweet, the drudge, put out is like this gal. Wow.

Americana. Yeah. I mean, I think that's really interesting how these people can both hate and glorify pop music simultaneously as being like one album is, oh, this is representative of the death of the youth. And back in my day, we listened to, I love Aerosmith and all that shit. And then the next second is like, Lana Del Rey has some pretty good tracks, man. I'm just going to say that she's got some pretty good tracks.

Yeah. She's like Portis head without a rhythm section. I wonder what he thinks of her national anthem video. I wonder what he thinks. Never saw it. What's that? It's that one where she's Jackie O and it's like she's living the, this idyllic life with the children and all this and tell the assassination, but JFK is played by ASAP Rocky.

That's fantastic. So that's fantastic. So Alex at the beginning of this episode is like pretty depressed and off track. Like you could tell with his like, I'm your Alex Jones host. Yeah. That, that sort of fumbly intro is just, there's a vibe that he's a little bit down and you can hear it as he introduces the special report he's about to play. I'm going to air a Paul Harvey report that we put some images to that's from like the

1970s and 1980s. And then we are going to come back. There's just a vibe of like, we're just doing it. Yeah. He's a, he's not bringing it. No. He's not bringing it. It's really interesting to see Alex co-opting a piece by Paul Harvey.

These days when he has a special report to play, it's always one of his employees who put it together. It's a John Bowne report or a Millie Weaver special. It's really rare for him to just take someone else's material and put images over it. It makes me wonder if John Bowne is getting too expensive for Alex to keep around. The reason this choice is interesting to me though, is that I've never heard Alex talk about Paul Harvey before and he absolutely should have a lot. Paul Harvey is the blueprint for conservative radio types from the like 1950s onward.

I'm not nearly as interested in those sides of things because I think that Alex Jones has always been pretty far off the beaten path for most conservative radio types like in terms of style. That being said, there is an element in which Alex is the truest descendant of Paul Harvey, more than anyone else could ever hope to be. He got drunk a lot on air. No, I don't know about that, maybe. So Robert Smith discussed Harvey's career in an episode of NPR's All Things Considered

after Harvey had passed. Not lead singer of the Cure Robert Smith. No, different guy. An NPR host. Gotcha. This is just after Paul Harvey had passed on. And tell me if any of this sounds familiar. Quote, Harvey's style was unique and always compelling.

Even when he got to the ads, Harvey would seamlessly move into his pitch, making it into a story just as riveting as the news around him. The product changed, but the intensity was the same. And for it, he was paid handsomely. That sounds familiar. A little bit. That does sound familiar. Paul Harvey's legacy is essentially intertwined with his ability to make ads sound like they're

part of his show. From that NPR piece, Smith asks Bruce Dumont, the founder of the Museum of Broadcast Communication, why advertisers loved Harvey. Quote, well, because he moved product. I mean, that was the key thing. Yeah, that seems like a really simple question to answer. Another article about him from NPR said, quote, Harvey's voice transitioning seamlessly from a story to commentary to a carefully placed advertisement became a kind of brand kingmaker.

People trusted what he was telling. And so they trusted what he was selling. Paul Harvey blurred the line between newscaster and outright salesman in a way that Dumont describes as being quote, very unseemly behavior for any other newscaster to engage in, possibly even a breach of ethics. Paul Harvey's careers touched a lot of the right wing media in ways that often go unnoticed. Some are stylistic touches. Some are political moves.

But for Alex Jones, Harvey was the king of integrating ads into your show and making them feel the same as the news. It was probably very unseemly in the fifties and it's sure as shit. Unseemly today. It's not good now. And it's all Alex does. That's so funny. Yeah.

Advertisers like him so much because of his great fucking moral standpoints. What the hell are you talking about? We're advertisers. Why else would we like him so much? Advertisers liked him so much because he was able to use the content of his show to push the ads. It's dumb. Yeah, absolutely.

And that's the legacy that Alex carries on today. And I'm sure a lot of these other right wing radio guys do it too, but not as brazenly as Alex. Like he is so disgusting with it as we've seen over and over and over again. So Alex, at the beginning of this episode, I would say that I think that this episode, someone else produced it. It feels more structured than other episodes in the sense that the first hour, second hour and third hour all seem like discreet segments to an extent.

There's still a little, it's still Alex. So he still goes off track, but there is definitely more of a feel of like theme, theme, theme. Somebody's trying to put a fence around his acreage, so to speak. It feels like it's possible or maybe Alex is just like recognizing that maybe I should try. I don't know what it is, but it felt very different. You know, maybe the reason I'm going out of business is because I'm actively bad at this job.

Maybe the things that make me bad are the only thing that are marketable about me. And now that I have no buddy to market to, it's really fucking up. Maybe I should anchor myself. How about trying to be a good show? It's too late for that. It's interesting to see. And in the first section of the episode, Alex is trying to push, they want to abuse your kids in the schools.

That's his big narrative in the first hour. And there's some, you know, there's some reasons that he's doing this, like there are actual news things, but most of it spirals out into really, really disgusting talk. And I'm going to try and keep that to a minimum, except where it's necessary to explain what he's up to. And this first clip I think is really telling because Alex talks about his Jocelyn elders ideas. Sure.

About what she, she was pushing for, putting forth his ideas that she was saying that teachers need to manually masturbate school children, which is not, no, I remember her confirming that. No, I remember she said that specifically. She said, no guys, I know a lot of people misunderstood me, but I just want to make my position clear. I want the teachers to jerk off the kids. That was not what she was about and it was not what she was advocating for, but Alex,

he remembers that she said that and he accidentally kind of reveals in this clip. First of all, that she never said that. And second of all, why he thinks that now, I remember listening to Rush Limbaugh when I was just one year out of high school. Real quick, you might hear Lana Del Rey in the background again, because he played it a second time. He's listening to the dam. It's the same song.

This dude. Love, sir. And I remember listening to him when I was at work during the breaks and I remember going and looking up the things he was talking about and finding out they were true and being amazed. And he would play the audio of Jocelyn elders over and over again, saying, what you do with the kindergartners, that's how she speaks, is you reach down and you help the master page. And then she went to Congress and talked about it, but that was pre-internet, really.

And I spent an hour and a half this morning obsessively trying to find it. I found one edited version was like a joke video of her saying it, but it's a bunch of cuts, but it is her saying it. No, it's not. It's a bunch of joke cuts. Alex, that's not the same thing. You spent an hour and a half trying to find this clip obsessively and you didn't find it because it's not a real thing that she said.

It's the right wing spin that Rush Limbaugh had back then that you've internalized as the truth and you can't confirm it because it's not real. Man, that does seem like something that happens pretty frequently where they just make a claim and then people remember it being true and they never really looked into it. And then when you're like, I need to confirm that and show everybody that I'm right, they're like, it's weird that I can't find the lie. Yeah. It's strange.

It's real, real vague, real, real vague memories, real odd of reality being changed. Probably Mandela effect. Yeah. Also, I didn't know Jocelyn Elders was the elephant man. I didn't know that's how she spoke. He does that impression quite a bit. It's right up there with Bernie in terms of like his favorite and the Northam Ralph Northam. Those are his three like, those are his three SNL characters for sure.

Well, he's got a shot. I hear there's an opening and a badge of the backlash. Shane Gillis got this much backlash. Alex Jones. Holy shit. I think I would give him a shot. He's a good stunt cast. Yeah.

I'd give him a year. We know people who work for SNL. If they hired Alex Jones, I'd be like, Hey, could you tell him something for me? Oh, for sure. For sure. Direct pipeline. Hey, Castillo, get on it. Yeah.

Hey, Chris Red. Fuck with Alex for me. So this next clip, little warning, because I think this is probably more graphic than I would like necessarily, but it's, it's necessary in order to get us to the point of what he's talking about. But when they can put their hands on your daughter's vagina or your little son's penis, sorry to use those terms, this was happening to your kids. What?

If they can do that, they can do anything and they are. The headline on info wars.com and news wars.com for this live show where we, where you can email it out and text it out and share it is it's official. The left supports pedophilia worldwide and they're coming after your children with vaccines they're going to put in them GMO. Little different. It's official. Let us endorse pedophilia worldwide.

So the reason I got to keep that in, I think, I mean, that's disgusting, first of all, but Alex drops that this is the headline on today's episode and it's, it brings up an interesting thing that I don't think I've ever fully explained and that is on info wars, the actual website. They have articles and then they also have posts for every day's episode. So have a post with the video embedded on it of the day's episode. And so what he's describing there, that headline, Democrats endorse pedophilia worldwide, is the headline of the post that has his whole, yeah, gotcha, gotcha.

Typically the episodes posts, they have sensational headlines with the video of the show, but no substantiation of anything. So specifics about the claims being made in the headline aren't anywhere to be found. It's just clickbait bullshit. I decided to check out the page anyway to see if there's any indication of what Alex was talking about because he hasn't made it clear on the episode yet, you know, what makes this official that the Democrats are now endorsing this? There's no information, but there are comments.

Here's a sampling of some of the responses for his listeners. Oh no. Quote, Epstein was extracted and is sunning himself on the Dead Sea, waiting for Hillary to take her rightful presidency and retroactively change the age of consent to six. She'll be just in time to pardon big-wig Democrat donor, elector, super delicate and KKK leader Ed Buck too. So that guy. I did not know that.

That's a guy. That guy is a big QAnon guy. Gotcha. One commenter claims to be the victim of Catholic priest abuse and says if you saw one of these people targeting kids, you would beat them or possibly kill them. Another commenter replies, quote, no time like now. Another commenter says, quote, they're destroying the souls of our children and no one, absolutely no one is doing anything to take mathematical action to stop them.

Trump has done nothing, absolutely nothing to save America's culture, way of life, liberty. Without a single unified culture ethnicity, there is nothing exclamation point. So that person's pretty much a white nationalist. Pretty much. I'm going to go with full on someone else comments, quote, the Democrat party should be criminalized. So that's cool. Sure.

That's good. Another person chimes in, quote, I'll tell you what, this is truly the direction public education is heading. Public school teachers and administrators had better arm themselves. That's more or less a threat to kill teachers and administrators. So that's definitely really awesome to hear. All I'm hearing is look forward to a peaceful transition of power in 2020. Final comment, quote, I hope the war comes quick.

This country has already passed the point of no return. The only way to get it back is to take it back. Sure. Sure. Good work. There's a real feeling of accelerationist belief on display here in this comment section. I don't know what you're talking about. You can look at it as a thing where Alex isn't responsible for the actions of his listeners.

And I do agree with that to a point. The reason the argument is pretty uncompelling to me though is that Alex is intentionally misleading his audience on very emotionally explosive issues and it's clearly doing it to make them feel the way these commenters feel. They're supposed to want to outlaw political opposition. They're supposed to want to threaten their enemies. They're supposed to feel so hopeless about the world that the possibility of a civil war is a reasonable option.

These people very may well have had these feelings independent of Alex, but the reporting style that he needs to use in order to keep making money requires that he justify those feelings, nurture those feelings and make them worse. It would be hard for me to believe without the endless drumbeat from Alex and his ilk that somebody would just out of nowhere be like, I think all of my six year old's teachers are pedophiles and I should probably start a civil war and kill them. And they better arm themselves because we're coming. Yeah, I don't think that one would just spontaneously generate within your brain.

It could. I doubt there would be as many. I bet for a small subsection of people it could. But the level to which this feeling is being expressed in these comments, it's pretty unnerving to see, I would say. So I looked into this and tried to figure out what he's talking about and there's an article in the mirror about the underlying topic that Alex is discussing. The mirror, the most trustworthy news source I can think of?

I do think it was reported in some other places too, so it's not like a totally made up thing. But it's more or less just sex education issues being turned into right wing bullshit about the teachers performing sex acts on kids. The mirror article includes an image of the part of this manual, this for sex education that everyone's up in arms about. It's not really even encouraging kids to masturbate as like the right wing news people are painting it as. It's really more saying that that is a normal thing that people do and you shouldn't feel

dirty about it. It isn't even like sexualizing really if you look at the context. It's saying that quote, lots of people like to tickle or stroke themselves as it might feel nice. They may play with their hair, stroke their skin, or they may even touch their private parts. This is very normal. That's destigmatizing.

That's not sexualizing. No, you're just wrong. Everybody who does that is a disgusting hose beast and they should be condemned to hell as the Bible fucking dictates, Dan. There are what kind who would say that masturbation is an average thing that literally everybody does. I don't know. Nobody.

The right wing is arg and Alex is arguing that this manual tells kids to touch themselves in the bed or the shower without giving any context to where that comes up in this manual. The manual is using those as examples of places it's appropriate specifically to make the point that it's super inappropriate to do that sort of thing when other people are around. Quote, it's not polite to do it when other people are about. It's something we should only do when we're alone, perhaps in the bath or shower or in bed, a bit like picking your nose. This is not sexualizing.

This is destigmatizing. Yeah, but if you've ever been in a sex head class, that line is so much like you can hear. I can hear my seventh grade teacher like, you hear that carl in the bedroom or in the shower. God damn it. It's not even clear. My classroom. It's not even clear that this manual is meant to be the curriculum itself as much as sort

of guidance for the teachers. I don't even know what the point is. But as far as I can tell, this is also just a UK thing. This is not like in America and it's only at 240 schools in the UK. For some context, the British Educational Suppliers Association estimates there are currently 20,925 primary schools in the United Kingdom. So this is a very small portion that are even possibly utilizing this curriculum. Alex is intentionally trying to conflate this story with the other story that we've talked

about, about sex ed classes in California and also with erroneously remembered ideas about what Jocelyn Elders said 20 years ago. And he's doing that to create a narrative that will infuriate his audience based on the comments on his website. It looks like it's working pretty fucking well. Yeah. Yeah. But at least he's telling complete falsehoods.

That is, that is a positive. Yeah. I'm glad. You know what? Cause if he was right about anything, I'd be angry too. Yeah. Right? It's a good, I feel comfortable knowing he's 100% wrong.

Well, if you want to have a conversation about like this should be taught at home as opposed to in school, I think there's a different way you would go about it. Yeah. Like if your problem is sincerely like this isn't appropriate at a school, you wouldn't escalate it to they're giving kids hand jobs at school. Right. Right. Like you wouldn't do that.

You, if you had a problem with something real, you wouldn't like completely exaggerated out to a completely absurd version. Yeah. Yeah. That only serves the purpose of radicalizing and angering your audience in the direction you want them to be angry so you can capitalize on their anger. Yeah. And that's exactly what Alex is doing.

He does a really long, disgusting segment about this. And then here's what he does immediately after we're going to go to break with this key report. We're going to come back and break it all down. Please stay with us in full wars.com tomorrow's news today. I've never been a vain person. I've never been obsessed with my looks. Hmm. And I never claimed to look like a supermodel or something out of a Calvin Klein catalog.

He's literally claimed to be a Calvin Klein model claimed all of those things. He's talked about how he used to get beat up because he was too attractive. Yep. Like, yep. This is, I get, he's talking about his present self or whatever, but the vanity he has for his youth is insane. It's ridiculous. So he does this really long, disgusting segment about child abuse.

And then he is like, we got to go to this, this crucial report and it starts with him being like, I've never been fain and I'm like, I don't like where this is heading. And you know where it's heading. Just in the last month, I decided to religiously take the supplements for info was life.com that already know we're so good. And voila, just doing that and drinking more water. My workouts are better. My stamina, my focus, my energy is just incredible and I've lost 12 pounds in a month.

That's not helping. So it's all just ads. It literally is just the, the, the sort of thing where he does all this riles people up, angers them with these misrepresentations of news stories and then throws it to a special report. He's got a really important special at report, right, which is just an ad. Well, I mean, yeah, it's just a commercial being played on the actual show because he knows that people don't listen to commercials.

So he's even expressed that in the past. Like, I do, you know, you got to add your plug on the show because no one listens to the commercials. So now he's migrated commercial onto the show that could not even him doing plugs. Just throw a commercial in, pretend it's a special report. It's crazy. That's, that's probably something that he should point out as sponsored content, maybe a self-sponsored little disclaimer there.

Yeah. So I was so otherwise it might seem unseemly to have a bordering on in ethical. So I was so flabbergasted by that. First of all, I think the way he does these things about like child issues and that stuff is so utterly repulsive and it always makes me so mad. And then for it all just to be like a lead in for this ad special report thing, I was like, go fuck yourself, man. So I decided I wanted to like check in on some things in the present day that might make

us all feel a little better. So there's a couple of things that Alex has done that might be able to serve as a barometer of what kind of engagement he's actually getting in the present day. Okay. And I felt like I would take a look at some of those, see what we can find out about how his fan base is doing. The first thing we've seen recently was Alex launched his troll petition to get the White House to annex the moon as the 51st state, which also actually, if you go and look at

it includes a suggestion to quote annex Antarctica as the 52nd state and tell the UN to fuck off. Okay. All right. That's a, that's a bold proposal. I like bold proposals. Sure. You know, in committee, maybe it'll get watered down, but you start with the boldest position you can.

Alex announced this petition when he had big time celebrities Eddie Bravo and Sam Tripoli on the show. So you'd expect that this would amplify the audience he's reaching with this troll bullshit. You know, it certainly expand the reach as of noon on September 24th. This petition has been up for five full days and there are 712 signatures, which is just shy of their goal of a hundred thousand. Okay. This is a really bad sign.

They're getting close though. Yeah. Progress. Yeah. Every, every vote counts. This tells me that the trolly meme crowd that Alex think fully support him or either an imaginary audience or they've left him, like no matter how much you bring up carpet dunked him on the show.

That's not your crowd because if they were, they would have asked her to turf the shit out of that. Oh yeah. And so I, I think that that's a really bad sign for the, the reality that Alex wishes to portray. Yeah. He's not going viral, viral like, like the, let's store him area 51 guys. That's not going to happen.

And that one, even like, if you look at that petition, it's clearly meant to not have info wars on it. Yeah. For the sake of like being able to repost it or whatever they're not even being like, it was posted by Kit Daniels, but the initials are just KD on it. So like it's very clear that they're trying to like not put any red flags on here. Right. Which is sad.

That is, that is sad. So the meme crowd, I don't think is into him all that much. And like I said, he brings carpet, dunked him on the show and talks about him being great and it doesn't help. I mean, he forgets that he's bad at memes and they're not funny. Wow. He is spit, but also speaking of carpet, dunked him on a check on on his website, meme world.

How'd he, how's he doing? Um, you know, that meme world was set up to free memes from the bondage of social media censorship. Our website still looks like shit. And I was scrolling through it quite a ways down the page before I found a meme that had over a hundred likes. It was a Ben Garrison cartoon. So I don't know if that even counts as a meme and it only had 104 likes.

Oh boy. Sees the dunk. The cartooning question is based on the Thomas Jefferson quote about the tree of liberty needing to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Oh man. In my mind's eye, I can already see all of the Ben Garrison labels on it. There have to be so many labels on that. The cartoon is a tree being attacked by a bird with an Illuminati hat, a bird with a hammer

and a sickle, a caterpillar labeled Democrats, a cat with a Google tail. Oh yeah. Oh, and an axe that says globalism. Brilliant. The tree is saying, quote, I'm thirsty, which is to say it's time for bloodshed. Right, right. I'm not sure I've seen a cartoon so clearly express a call for violence than this, but also it's probably not that dangerous.

If Ben Garrison's audience need all those damn labels to get what he's trying to say, I don't think they'll pick up on the subtext that he's saying it's time to spill people's blood to feed the tree. Yeah. Also, if it's a, if it's a Ben Garrison cartoon that gets us all killed, I am going to have some complaints to the manager. Yeah. That's going to be my number one thing to say to God.

Yeah. Really, Ben Garrison is what did it. And then God is going to pull up a label and put it on you. Idiot. Hell. So meme world doesn't look like it's doing great. Yeah. Then I remembered that Alex was trying to crowdfund his shit on subscribe star.

So I thought I would check in on that. He currently only has 349 subscribers, which is a profoundly low number for someone who claims to have the audience size. He does fucking Sargon of a cod has almost 2700 subscribers as a damning indictment of Alex's non popularity. So I checked in on Alex's new YouTube ripoff site banned.video. Yeah. He claims that that he set up that site to be a place where all banned people from YouTube

could have their free speech respected. And even though he says that it's still just an avenue to put out info wars content. Right. Every single channel is one of his employees. Unsurprisingly, Owen Troyer and David Knight's channels are dead zones. Almost no traffic. The same is true of Alex's new show, Firepower News, which I literally couldn't have less interest.

I have never heard of that before in my entire life. Yeah, it's I don't I don't even know anything about it. I've heard the name. Don't care. I'm fine with it. It's not going to last. Something I found kind of interesting is that Paul Joseph Watson's channel also has terrible traffic, but then I realized he still hasn't been kicked off.

Yeah, of course it has terrible traffic. They're just going to the real world. Yeah. His fans don't need to migrate to this site when his stuff is still available, where it's always been. Right. And that's going to be a problem for Alex, his most popular asset doesn't really meet the qualifications for being on this site.

Specifically, he hasn't been banned.video. Another issue is that there's no way for Alex to offer monetization for any of these video creators. He has literally no appeal to most advertisers. And there's no way that the soap limerick guy can subsidize ads on all the crypto fascist videos that site has the potential to host. That's really a serious problem. It's like what he's doing is solving all the wrong problems.

Right. Like the right wing scammers on YouTube are mostly mad because their scam got disrupted. They figured out at a game the suggestion algorithms to inflate their channels to the point where they're making massive amounts on Google ad revenue. Dem monetization is just as bad as being kicked off for them. And Alex really has no answer for that. Let's say one of these non info warriors employee, MAGA assholes comes over and wants to start posting videos here.

There's no reason to expect there's ever going to be a way to replicate what they had with YouTube and no reason to expect that there's ever going to be money in it. As a place where Alex can just post his videos, it serves that function, I guess, but it's going to be deeply expensive over time. The amount of content he wants to push out to keep people's attention won't be cheap like for hosting and the space he needs. I could see this as a good decision to make in better times when you could afford to take a hit as an investment in something you could build into something

bigger, like you lose a million this year to make 10 million in five years. That kind of a thing. This kind of makes sense there. Yeah. But as it stands now, this seems desperate and like a little too late. Don't think you have time to build this into what you want it to be. You also would never want to allow free speech on there. Like you'd never want that.

Oh, no, it's crazy. Yeah. It's like Ted Nugent wanting guns at his shows. Of course he doesn't want guns in his goddamn show. Oh, you say that you want it and then you monitor heavily. Yeah, of course. Like the idea that the complaint is that YouTube doesn't allow X on their channel, on their platform.

Now you've created your own platform, band.video. And not only do you not allow X, you only allow Y, which is your employees. Yeah, of course. It's even. Well, there's a reason they banned X, Dan. And I'm sure if Alex were drunk and being very honest, yeah, that's exactly what he would say. Of course.

Yeah, it's dangerous to allow X. It's dangerous shit out there. If you have a responsibility for what X does, you don't want to allow X if you don't have to. Absolutely. All right, Dan, I've got a pitch for you. This is my brilliant idea. What if we made YouTube but made sure no one wanted to use it and no one would

pay for it? How does that sound as a business model? Look, I got nothing else to try. Let's do it. I'm a Wolverine backed into a corner. Knowledge Fight.video. Sure. So I think that all the little indications that I can get are that things aren't great.

All of these, these ways that you could sort of deduce impact. Don't match up with Alex and the way he presents his audience, the millions and millions of people. It matches up with a fairly successful podcast being done out of a bedroom. Those numbers are about, you know, what you'd expect for that. Not for a, I'm on stations all over the country and Putin listens to my show. Yeah. Although now I think that puts us in the running for shows Putin might listen to.

I think we, I think we've got a shot now. Good bait. One thing I will say though is that we solved a little mystery on this episode. And that is that Alex revealed why he went to LA and it was to be on TI's new podcast. TI has a new podcast and so I don't say those words to me. That is supposed to drop on Thursday. Apparently TI is the rapper TI.

Yeah. No, I know who TI is. I was hoping that you would tell me there was a different TI. It is not. Okay. It is not Thomas Ian Nicholas star of American pie. It is the rapper TI and I can't imagine that not being a fight because I don't think TI cuts into a lot of Alex's bullshit.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to listen to it, but I do hope TI do. Do we know if Alex survived the podcast? Well, yeah, because they recorded it in advance. Right. And tonight Alex is back in Austin. So yes, he did survive.

Okay. Well, then I guess I don't need to listen. I think it probably will be a fight. I don't know. That's in a very strong running for what we might cover on Friday. Yeah. Cause that could be literal insanity. But we'll see.

I mean, it's one of those things. Alex knows that like this guy has much more of a reach than I could possibly hope for. Right. Let's do this. Even if he yells at me, this is TI over here. Right. Um, so we'll see about that.

Um, but, uh, also, uh, on this show, uh, the first hour was that gross child abuse stuff. Yeah. Second hour, Alex gets into the, the climate change, uh, business. Great. Uh, so this is going to be right in your wheelhouse. Got a lot of hot takes coming out of here. I can, I can sense it.

Yeah. I can see a volcano coming. So he's been rambling quite a bit at this point about, uh, climate change and how it's just meant to, uh, destroy, uh, America and the West share share share. Um, and so one thing I think is really interesting here is the way he frames what the goal of, uh, these climate change initiatives is, um, and the specific countries he names that are targeted. But regardless of that, it's all one sided where Europe, the US, Canada,

New Zealand, Australia, make the cuts and no one else does, not Mexico, not Brazil, not China, not Russia, not India, not Nigeria, no one but us. No one but us. I don't, if I recall, pretty sure us is not in, uh, so now this is interesting, man, Alex is in the middle of a diatribe about how climate change is just a plan to destroy the West and he lists off the countries he thinks are the only ones that have to make cuts in their carbon use. They're Canada, Australia, the US, Europe and New Zealand.

Now it's weird how that's basically the exact list of countries that formed the acronym cause, which was the name of the organization founded by neo-Nazi white supremacist lawyer Kirk Lyons. Alex has just swapped out New Zealand for South Africa. And, you know, when Lyons made that organization, it was in the 90s, early 90s, so South Africa might be more of an interest to him back then. I did not know about cause. We talked about it when we talked about Kirk Lyons.

Oh, did we? He had the Patriots Defense Fund that was specifically to defend like a white supremacist neo-Nazis. And then after a little while, it was a little bit too problematic. So he changed the name to cause, which was advertised as the first pro-white law firm. Right, right, right, right. Cause was named that or what it was because specifically because Lyons felt like those were the countries where the white race was under attack.

This grouping of countries of what constitutes quote unquote, the West is closely related to older white supremacist beliefs and propaganda about those being white countries, the places where a white majority was being threatened by the evils of non-whites. Now it could be a coincidence that Alex is using that list, but we've also heard Alex constantly let slip that he believes that the West is the same thing as white. So it seems like he's just mirroring classic white supremacist talking points and applying them to the climate change conversation.

The reason that this feels like explicit white supremacist propaganda being masked as being something, uh, uh, being about something else is, is that Alex is saying that only these quote unquote white countries are being made to lower their carbon emissions when that's never been true of any climate change initiative ever. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was a myth that they put out immediately after the, uh, the Paris treaty was signed, like the right wing immediate was like, Indian China are the biggest producers of, uh, uh, uh, CO2 emissions in the world. And they don't even have to make any cuts.

They had goals of everybody. Everybody was like, well, let's start from the beginning. You dumb fucks. They had goals of cuts, but there was no enforcement mechanism. So no one was forced to make cuts. The things that we can do as a country are things like cap and trade or carbon credits. So, you know, any of those sorts of ideas aren't things you can apply to the rest of the world. Right.

Like you could if you had a world government. Yeah, that would help. Right. But you can't do that. So whenever we talk about those sorts of things being used in order to help with the climate situation, of course those are only going to impact us. But ideally you be, be a leader in the world and other countries follow. You can't just be like, ha, we're going to enforce our system on everyone.

Yeah. 00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:28,900 00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:28,900 00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:28,900 00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:32,020 Which Alex wouldn't want them to do anyway. No, no, he does.

00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:33,620 He does. He wants to, he wants a large governing body to force countries to do what it says. Sure. You know, in spite of their, uh, some, some word, sovereignty, I think is the word that I'm looking for. That word is in play. Yeah. So I mean, what he's talking about doesn't depict reality in any meaningful way.

Like all of those countries that he listed, I'm not sure if all of them did because some of the developing countries in the world actually had targets that were increases in their CO2 emissions because of needs that they would have in terms of, uh, developing an industrialization, uh, to, to help their countries. Like there's no reality to Alex's bullshit about how these agreements and climate change initiatives only target the West. When there's something that's so glaringly like this. So not based in truth.

That also happens to line up curiously well with traditional white supremacist beliefs in a worldview. It's enough to make me pretty suspicious about what point Alex is really trying to make. It feels not about climate change. Um, it feels like Alex thinks that whites are being oppressed all around the world. And we know he feels that blamed for problems that are just, they're not our fault. Damn, we're just whites. We're just hanging around here, not causing any problems.

You know, whiten it up. Doing finger guns, listening to Lannadel Ray. Just doing all kinds of white shit. Right. Cool. So Alex yells a bit about the, uh, the UN, of course, uh, how evil they are and UNESCO. Sure. Sure. Throw them in there. And he makes a claim that's just absolutely unacceptable.

And then again, I'll also get into this. The fact that all over the world, the UNESCO system of the UN that is the UN, that's global governance, United Nations, cultural educational organization that gets all the companies to sign on the treaties. It standardizes the global policies. They want pedophilia legalized. Nambla is on their steering board as an NGO, North American Man Boy Love Association. So now you can see the sort of dovetailing of the climate and pedophilia narrative.

Throw it all in there. This is just Alex's classic shit where he misrepresent events from 25 years ago as meaning anything briefly in case anyone hasn't heard the episode where we went over this. In 1993, the International Lesbian and Gay Association applied for consultative status with the UN Economic and Social Council. In the process, it was found that Nambla was a member group within the ILGA, at which point the ILGA's full membership voted to expel Nambla from their organization, reflecting a possible unawareness that they were affiliated with the group to begin with.

This set off a chain of events where Jesse Helms introduced a bill to make certain that no groups associated with the UN had pro-pedophilia views, resulting in Section 102 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Acts of 1994 and 1995. Since that point, it's a matter of withholding all funding to the UN if they're associated with the groups that endorse pedophilia. UNESCO is one such group that falls under these same requirements, so what Alex is describing is literally and legitimately insane. Yeah.

I have zero idea what Alex means by saying that Nambla is on UNESCO's steering board, since different initiatives that UNESCO undertakes usually have different boards to accomplish different goals. However, UNESCO does keep a very public list of the tons of non-governmental organizations that they work with. And what do you know? Nambla isn't on that list because of fucking course they're not. I don't know if they'd ever take the time to sue him,

but this is probably legally slander against UNESCO. UNESCO? Oh yeah, absolutely. I don't know how that would work or anything, but that's definitely a malicious lie. Yeah, he knows it's not true. Yeah, he has every reason to know that that's not true. Absolutely. So I don't know, I think that that's probably dicey.

That's just, and it's not like we, you know, it would be if they did sue him, it's not like he can make a retraction considering he's said that like 10 million times. Yeah, yeah. Well, in different permutations. Yeah. Like he says that Nambla is a part of every group that he wants to attack. Yes, yes, sooner or later. So yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So also, Jordan, on this episode, Alex interviews Andrew Pollock, whose daughter was one of the victims in the Parkland shooting. I don't have any clips of this interview because I find the whole thing deeply upsetting. I would venture to guess that Pollock doesn't have a good idea of who Alex is and the things that he's done, even surrounding the Parkland shooting itself. And if he did, I would assume he wouldn't want to associate with this show. I find little interest in critiquing the interview of a parent of a victim

of a school shooting on Alex's show. The only thing you're going to find is generally Alex being a dick, and it's not really all that worth it. Also, I mean, Pollock doesn't seem like he's all that aware of a lot of stuff. And I don't want to mock him, even if he has some beliefs that are, I can definitely tell you, I could have debunked a number of things. I just take no pleasure in that. I have no interest in Alex talking to a bereaved, no, no, fuck that.

Now that said, Alex seems to not mention in this interview that Pollock was instrumental in helping get Florida Senate Bill 7026 passed. That bill made it so some teachers could carry guns at school, which Alex is probably fine with. However, it also raised the age you can buy a gun from 18 to 21. It banned the sale of bump stocks. It had provisions for law enforcement to take your guns if you're deemed a threat. It made it so cops could petition courts to take your guns in ammo if they think you're a danger.

It made it so if you've ever been committed to a mental hospital, you can't have guns and created waiting periods to buy guns. This is exactly the sort of bill that Alex screams about all the time, like this is gun grabbing to him. And here he is as his guest, someone who is instrumental in getting gun grabbing passed. And yet Alex doesn't seem to know about that, or else he thinks it's better for his narratives to just ignore it. If I had to guess, Alex knows that Pollock called for better safety at schools

and tried to refocus the debate about not being gun-centric to being safety-centric. And Alex knows he can work with that. Alex further knows that he's being sued by Sandy Hook parents right now, and the last thing he needs is an on-air fight with a Parkland parent about their gun grabbing legislation. It's best for the brand to pretend that he wasn't involved in the bill. And then later you can yell about how Sandy Hook parents say you're this kind of monster, but here you are talking to another victim's relative perfectly respectfully.

It's pretty decent, albeit transparent, as a move for him to make. Ultimately, it bores me, and it seems like Alex is just using someone as a prop, but that's nothing new. Yeah, that has a tossed up idea on the whiteboard in a production meeting all over it. It's optics. How do we change the narrative over this whole Sandy Hook thing? Oh, I know. We have tons more mass shootings. Let's talk to somebody involved in those, and we can be like,

I believe you. This is 100% real, and I've made mistakes in that whole. Also, Pollock wrote a book, and he's trying to sell that book. So he's kind of like a book media tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it makes some sense for him to be on. But I don't know. Ultimately, I'm not charmed by that, and I don't want to pile on this guy. So no interest.

No. So Alex, we know in the past has talked about how the New World Order and the Illuminati approached his father, David Jones, dentist to the stars. Yes. He got approached. The literal stars, by the way. Beetlejuice. Yes.

Like the whole thing. Absolutely. Yeah. He got approached as a younger man, and they offered him to join up with them to be world royalty or whatever. Yeah. And we know that David Jones' DDS said, no thank you. He's not a globalist.

He saw through their bullshit right away. He's a genius. One of the smartest people in Texas from the age of six. Well, the story has changed a little bit. Oh, has it? Yeah. And it's so far gone. There's this whole breakaway civilization.

And it's playing God. And Trump's the president now. And he damn well knows about all this. I know all about it. My dad got invited to join it when he was in high school at UT. Planned to. Didn't join it. At least the first time around.

What? But the point is. What? No, what? Real folks, okay? No, no, no, no, no. You don't get to drop that in there and then move on. What?

And then he did do it? And then he said yes. That's the only thing you can draw a conclusion from. What does that mean about you, Alex? No. No. Your dad's in the Illuminati. This is stupid.

What? He's saying that. Did he? And he doesn't clarify that. Not a bit. Not at all. He just says the first time. No.

That implies that. Oh my God. Now that's interesting. That's going to kill me. Because I don't believe anything he says. Of course. I don't care about that. But it is funny that he's trying to present it as like,

I guess your dad did join the globalists. What? Is he in there now? Now the most important thing about this is, as we discovered on a 2013 episode, I believe, Alex said the name of the person who tried to lure him into this cult. Right.

This globalist death cult or whatever. And that was Dr. Erwin Spear at UT. In 2013, him talking about it is outside the statute of limitations. But now, because we have the context of him naming who the person is that he's talking about, and a day ago, retelling the story, it's reasonable to take one and one, put it together,

that's two. He's retelling the story about, there's every expectation and every reasonable person would know that he's talking about the same event in his father's life. He has just committed slander again. He has renewed the statute of limitations. Erwin Spear's family could absolutely sue him for this. I don't know if they'd be successful.

Unless he's referencing the second, unless Erwin Spear's was involved in the second one. It really doesn't matter. I don't know if they would win, but he is absolutely in jeopardy because of that. He has re-brought up this story that he has explained in the past. From what I understand, that does renew.

I'm glad that he re-upped his subscription to getting sued for the rest of his life. So just on this episode, we have UNESCO and Dr. Erwin Spear's estate are now possible litigants against Alex Jones. Oh, why can't we? He's sloppy. He is not good at this. I would like Lana Del Rey to sue him too for playing our music.

Just for fun? I know he probably has a contract and everything, but I still think she should sue him. So Alex gets around to talking about how the ruling class, they're coming out now. They're saying that they're going to kill everybody. There's an element of this that makes Alex mad at Trump. You'll see what that is.

And they're so disconnected from us now, the ruling scientific class, that they're now telling us, oh, by the way, we're about to get rid of all of you for the earth, and they're moving forward with it. So I'm just guessing Matt Drudge is a little pissed about that, probably, like I am. Because Trump started the right direction. We're going to release the secret medical stuff.

We're going to release the secret technology, new patents and things to cause a new renaissance, but it hasn't happened and we're bogged down instead. And I'm angry. I'm upset because there's a whole other real world out there that humanity built that's been stolen from us on the right path. Are you afraid to go to the mailbox because of letter after letter from the IRS?

Great transition. Yeah, so I guess he's becoming mad at Trump because the miracle queers aren't coming. Man, these guys just will not look into Occam's razor at all. This is monorail shit. Why? Wait, wait, he promised us all this stuff. He must still be hiding it.

Or guys, now I'm going to throw this out there. He was lying to you. This is Alex going through the crisis of like falling for a con. Yeah. You know, like he, he's like, God, he, but I, it's very sad. It is. It is surprising that he was so stupid.

It's one of those things where a lot of what some of the old con guys used to get away with it so much because it was like, it was too embarrassing to reveal that you had given somebody $20,000. Yeah. But if you had your own radio show, they're like, man, this dude, I gave him $6 million and he didn't deliver on this promise.

I've staked my career on this person. I've changed everything that I've built over decades to suit this based on the con that this guy was running, saying we had like, you might as well be like pushing for Randy Kramer, the guy for Project Camelot who has the magnetic I was just thinking the same thing. I was just thinking the exact same thing. Why hasn't Randy Kramer produced these med beds?

Yeah. Because he's too smart. Right. So I mean, I can understand why Alex has this buyer's remorse and feels like shit, but it's just really sad to see. He's an adult. Like it's really sad. It is.

Yeah. It is. He's a, yeah, but he's a dumb, dumb. So there's that. You bet he is. So this climate change conversation that Alex has, we've got sidetracked from a little bit here, but he gets back to it.

And the bottom line is that Alex is trying to push the idea that they're just trying to scare you all. And they admit that they're just trying to scare you. All this climate change stuff is all based on fear, which is ironic for Alex to be complaining about. Quite frankly, I don't understand why there's similarities between his style and what he's accusing other people to do. No clue.

Which seems to also be a pretty big trend in his work, but he's really stressing over and over again. They admit that they're just trying to scare you, which I think is interesting. And this clip, man, there's so much to unpack in here. And I'm sure you're going to love it. First, it was the world's going in in 12 years, then Beto said 11 after, you know, to outdo AOC.

And then that moved on to seven years. And this is the talking points. And then the woman who's one of the organizers admits, Oh, we're just scaring people. Yeah, honey, we know. And that's why you target elementary school students and scare the daylights out of them. They teach them penguins are dying.

They teach them that they can't swim. It's the polar bears can't swim. They hunt on the ice floes. They're not drowning. Polar bear numbers are five times what they were in the fifties. But some middle school girls commit suicide because they're taught the earth is so bad. So that's, there's a lot there.

So when he's saying that the, you know, the lead people saying that they're just trying to scare you, I was trying to figure out what he's talking about because he doesn't use any specifics. Yeah. And what I think he is talking about is Obama's former chief of the EPA, Gina McCarthy. She recently did an interview with Scientific American.

And if this is what he's talking about, this is pathetic, even for Alex. In the interview, McCarthy is asked about taking a more systemic approach to climate issues and how the climate is large. The conversation is largely shifted from one where the question is, is this happening to a question of what should we do?

She commends Corey Booker's recent comments about how his cabinet would view all of their jobs through the lens of climate. And she goes on to list a few ways this could play out in the real world, like the military converting to renewable energy sources. She then says, quote, all these things provide opportunities

for the entire complexion of the discussion to change from, I want to scare you into doing something on climate to let's be smarter about federal dollars being spent in the way in which people are demanding action that's going to be beneficial for their health. She's explicitly saying that she wants the, I want to scare you mentality to not be how the debate is framed.

If this is what Alex is talking about, Alex and all the right wing that does repeat this bullshit are completely 100% without a doubt intentionally and consciously taking McCarthy's statements out of context. The only other possibility is that they didn't even read one sentence of her words and decided to attack her anyway.

This is some shameful shit right here. But that's only if this is what he's talking about. And I have every reason to assume it is because this interview came out like a day before this episode. Like it's fresh news. No, this is all made up. No, no, I mean, no, the whole, that whole like there, this is, they're just trying to scare you thing.

That I guarantee that this is all made up because it's coming from every single guest on your Fox news show. It's not coming from any of their, it's not coming from the anchors or anything like that. They're specifically staying out of it and allowing every guest to come on and say, they're just coming out here to make people afraid.

Because they know it's not substantiated by anything. And if the news organization were to actually say, they are coming out here to make people afraid, they would have to then back it up with literally anything and they have none. That is a good point. And actually, I do know what happened here. What happened?

And well, we'll get to it later. But I honestly thought that this is what he was talking about, but the reality is far stupider. Okay. But I had every reason to think that it was Gina McCarthy's comments because she does say the, I want to scare you. And if you took that out of context,

you could say that that's what she was saying. Yeah. And it was just the day before it makes total sense. No, it does, but I've seen it. And because Alex is so nonspecific about it, like it makes sense that this is what he's pointing to. It's so much more disappointing. You're close to right.

It's actually even worse than that. Okay. All right. But before we get to all that and the realities therein, I want to talk a little bit about this polar bear stuff. Alex constantly makes a grave error in his attacks on the narratives that conservationists have about polar bear populations.

Their arguments aren't necessarily that polar bears are all dying off now. It's that in the future, there are species that's in serious danger. Polar bears have fluctuated in their endangered status since the 1970s from a species of least concern earlier on to 2005 when they were upgraded to vulnerable. It's not in dispute that many of the polar bear populations

have stabilized in the last decades or so, you know, a little while back. But that is very clearly known that it's because of protections that were put in place by conservation groups by outlawing hunting polar bears or introducing negative environmental pressures into their habitats. The stabilization of polar bear populations

is largely thanks to the 1973 international agreement on the conservation of polar bears, which I think Alex would call world government or some shit. Yeah. I always love whenever they take credit, they're like, oh, we don't need to worry about the polar bears. See, they've gotten better over the years.

Why do they get better? Why do they get better? Uh, you know, polar bears are great. International law. No, they don't. No, no. Well, yeah, but that was back then when we needed it. Now we don't.

Cool. Another factor to consider is in that period, we also put in place a lot of restrictions on commercial seal hunting. So the food source for these bears dramatically increased in the same time period that it was becoming illegal to hunt them. Thus, there were more bears not being killed

who had a more stable food supply, giving them the best opportunity to replenish their populations. Polar bear populations have recovered somewhat and stabilized, and this has been taken up by all manner of right wing climate denial pundits. They all use the conception that climate change must be a hoax because as the climate's warming,

the polar bear population is drastically increased. A lot of this goes back to a 2007 book by Bjorn Lomburg called Cool It, The Skeptical Environmentalists' Guide to Global Warming. Oh, I know Bjorn Lomburg quite well. Yeah. We, that was... You guys go way back?

Yeah, no, that was a... Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about that. I knew the name Rangabelle. He's a brilliant scientist. Well, let me pull that back. He's a political scientist. Okay. He is not a...

So in that book, Lomburg says that there were about 5,000 polar bears in the 1960s, and his citation for that was an article in the LA Times by a guy named Clifford Krauss. The Journal of the Society of Environmental Journalists looked into this back in 2008 in a piece by Peter Dykstra, and they found that Krauss didn't even have a solid source for that statistic,

and told Dykstra that, quote, he understood the number to be widely accepted. The only other citation given by Lomburg was a report by the Soviet Ministry of Agriculture in 1965 that guessed there were between 5,000 and 8,000 polar bears in the Arctic. Most scientists who talked to Dykstra were quick to point out that our ability to accurately gauge

the population of polar bears was really bad until at least the 70s, and numbers before that point are really unreliable estimates. One big problem is that polar bears live in really remote areas, and they're very hard to count from above, since they're white, and so is the entire Arctic. I don't understand why that would be difficult. It's difficult.

Man, they have some sort of camouflage. So until technologies that developed later, it was a really imprecise game that people were doing. Yeah, you know that whole, guess the number of marbles in this jar. You know that game? Well, imagine if you just threw those marbles

into the ocean, and then we're like, now guess how many marbles used to be in the jar? It would be a challenge, and make sure it's a remote part of the ocean. Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. So people who study the issue say that the populations have recovered, and they're higher than they were like 40, 50 years ago,

but not nearly the jump that climate deniers constantly peddle. And they're also quick to point out that the issue of their recovery has nothing to do with climate change. It's all about the international restrictions on hunting, and the food supply is replenishing because of international law. It is them claiming victory

for something that they fought tooth and nail to keep from going into effect, and now using as a propaganda tool to fight tooth and nail to make sure that it goes backwards. Absolutely. It's fucking, it makes you want to rip your hair out. The problem is that polar bears do rely on ice, as Alex has accurately pointed out,

and projections currently look like by about 2040, many of their habitats will not be hospitable to their current mode of living, and that likely approximately 30% of the remaining polar bears will die off because of it, which will lead to a big bottleneck. The discussion of polar bears is one that surrounds negative outcomes

that we are yet to experience, not a description of things that are happening now. Alex is really just peddling thoroughly misleading bullshit here, and he's created a straw man of the argument that people are making in order to attack it. In a climate debate, come on. Now, the last part of that clip is interesting,

because he says that people are committing suicide because of climate change, and I have no idea what specific case Alex is talking about. He's saying that a young middle schooler killed herself because of climate change. I'm not saying that didn't happen. I believe it's possible that it did. I looked, I couldn't find the story that he's talking about.

I don't want to say this never happened on the off chance that it has, and I just couldn't figure it out and find the specific story. Alex gives no information about it outside of middle school person, suicide, climate change, and I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if there's a specific,

but the right-wing talking point is about how there's an increase in kids going to second. But I can find one specific person who did commit suicide because of climate change. This was the case of 60-year-old lawyer David Buckle, who made the choice to self-immolate or set himself on fire. Prior to his act, he emailed media outlets saying,

quote, most humans on the planet now breathe air made unhealthy by fossil fuels, and many die early deaths as a result. My early death by fossil fuel reflects what we are doing to ourselves. He left a note for first responders saying, quote, I'm David Buckle, and I just killed myself by fire as a protest suicide.

I apologize to you for the mess. David Buckle was the lead attorney in the case brought by Brandon Tina's mother against the sheriff's department who told Tina's eventual murderers about how Tina had accused them of rape, which almost certainly led to his murder. Buckle was a civil rights lawyer

well ahead of the curve and ahead of the game, and his protest suicide was absolutely not the result of him being scared. A 2019 study published by Nature Climate Change Journal did indicate a connection between climate change and suicide. But unless you read about it, you might be inclined to draw the wrong conclusions. Marshall Burke was the lead researcher,

and he found that there was a link between increased temperatures and suicide rates. So the conclusion was that if consistent temperatures are higher, then you would expect to see increased suicide rates. It's easy to take a poorly written headline about this study and come away with the wrong idea that this is a study linking climate change and suicide.

If you don't read the articles, you might assume that climate change fears are linked to suicide by this study, and that's just not the case. Other studies have found that crop damage caused by temperature increases is associated with elevated suicide rates in India. So there are definite things to be worried about on this axis.

That said, I don't know what case Alex is referring to, and I don't think whatever he's talking about is a large phenomenon that's going on. I think there's other conversations that people are having, and other instances of things that Alex is clearly... Well, there's that famous saying that we always say, which is that correlation equals causation.

We always say that, right? Sure. Yeah, I think that's how it's supposed to go. As far as I know, the right-wing talking point is based on... I don't know if it's a survey of psychiatrists and therapists and the like, but a large number of people under the age of 25 are now speaking to their psychiatrist and therapist

about climate fear as something that stresses them out a lot. So it makes sense for them, of course, to take the leap from talking to your therapist about how there's a lot of fear about what the future is going to hold to. That makes total sense. They're killing themselves all over the place. Everybody's dying.

Makes total sense. Yeah. If you were to do... Like Alex's audience probably isn't in therapy, but if they were, you'd probably hear them talking to their therapists a lot about the globalists' plans. Yeah, exactly.

The fears that Alex has introduced into their lives. Right, right, right. I don't think that... I don't know, he's just a big old hypocrite. Except the therapist wouldn't be like, no, that's a legitimate fear. Yeah. I don't know.

I just think that there's a lot of bullshit going on. That last clip was 36 seconds, and there's just a load of bullshit in it. Like, it's really... It's pretty crazy. But when you see these things, these really direct misrepresentations being passed off, it makes this next clip even more offensive.

Oh, no. And I think that this clip is really just like, I don't know how to describe it other than like, this show is a parody of itself. You know, like, you know when people would try and make fun of the juggalos? Yeah. It's like, you can't.

Yeah. You can't make fun of that. Yeah, they embrace it. Yeah. You can't do it. I almost feel like I can't make fun of this clip. It's a parody of itself. I don't know what else to say.

It's ridiculous. Please don't forget that I like to do things a little bit different. We are bringing Black Friday two months early, and it's going to be a week-long store-wide free shipping, double-patriot points, and 50% off all preparedness, water filters, air filters, storeable food.

You're not going to find better deals on this. Okay. Look at that. That's the same deal. He constantly has free shipping, double-patriot points, 50% off all this shit. That's constantly the sale. He's having Black Friday two months early.

You can't make fun of that. We talk about like the Easter sale still going. I got nothing for two months early on Black Friday. That's just beyond. Yeah. That he won. You know what? He won.

He beat me. Okay. That's fine. I'm willing to accept defeat when you are both complaining about Christmas coming sooner and being commercialized while at the same time being like, our Black Friday sale is two months early and it's the same sale.

You win. Yeah. You win. Yeah. I got no jokes. It's almost like he's in on the joke and leaning into it. Yeah. Of how crass and offensive his commercialism is.

Yeah. Like, what do you do? How do you make fun of that? I don't know. But if he shows up tomorrow in Juggalo makeup, then we know he's fucking with us. All right, guys, whoop, whoop to my homies out there. You know what?

They're teaching six-year-olds about nedding. I don't have many Juggalo references. Oh, man. Magnets. They're putting fluoride in the fago. Oh, delicious, delicious fluoride fago. So at this point, Alex has Savannah Hernandez on the show to talk about climate change.

Yeah. She is an employee of Info Wars who went out to the climate protests in Austin and captured some footage that they're going to go over, and I have some very important thoughts about that. They're not important at all. But I do have one thought, and that is that I think Savannah Hernandez is unfortunately

very similar to everyone else who works at Info Wars, possibly kind of stupid. Oh. Because she's talking about how she was afraid of climate change when she was younger. Oh, no. And now, listen to the example that she uses to describe what she was afraid of.

And I was even talking to Owen, and I was telling him that when I was younger, I was terrified of climate change the fact that we were all going to drown to death. Because I think you all remember in 2012, the world was supposed to end. They even came out with movies about it. So it's terrified that we were all going to drown to death. And now that's being shown with our kids here today.

They're all marching out of school. They are so afraid that we're going to burn to death. We're going to drown to death. 2012 was not necessarily about climate change. Don't you remember? As much as it was about the Mayan apocalypse. All the scientists coming out and saying, guys, we've got to prepare.

We're all going to drown in 2012. I think she might be talking about the day after tomorrow. She could be. Disaster movie. Yeah. That was in, that was what, in 2004s of them? I don't remember when that was. But she could be talking about that.

Or she could be talking about the movie 2012. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, the cultural fears about 2012 weren't driven by, let's say, climate scientists. No, no, no. As much as they were people like Eric Von Daniken. Dumb don'ts.

Yeah. Ancient aliens people. Yeah. Alex Jones. Now, to be fair, he wasn't on that tip. That is kind of, that is a great, that is a very good distillation of what, what it takes to be a good info wars employee.

Be afraid of something and then find a movie and then call the movie fake. And now you don't have to be afraid of anything. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. And, and just have like, oh yeah, you know what? If you're listening to her and not really paying attention

or know all that much, you'd be like, oh yeah, we were afraid back then. Yeah. Yeah. That is true. No. You know what? And we didn't all die in Y2K.

So obviously climate change is a hoax. Like I'll find, Can't use that one. Find whatever. Can't use that one. Oh, we do have to use that. Alex was on board. That's right.

That's right. With that one. So you don't want to bring that up on the show. So they go over like a list of time scientists have been wrong about predictions and I don't really give a fuck. Yeah. Because some of them are actually like,

I don't know, that one might have been right. Like scientists predict super hurricanes. Like, yep, might be. How many were yet? What are we at though? I don't know why you're including that on the list. I would take that one off. Yeah.

The guy you think is so great didn't even know there was a category five on the third category five of this year. And he had mentioned the other ones has been category five. Exactly. Yeah. So I don't care too much about that, but it's all in service of building up this idea

that everyone who talks about climate change lies to you about it. Yeah. And so she, Savannah uses a specific example that I think actually is a little unfair for her. And National Geographic actually had to come out and admit they took a picture of this starving polar bear.

They said it was because of climate change and then they had to come out and admit actually that the polar bear wasn't dying because of climate change. That was actually fake. So what does that even mean? She's kind of misrepresenting things here a little bit. For one, she's saying that National Geographic took the picture and stuff and that's not true.

What happened here was that a photographer named Christina Middermeyer and her team found a polar bear that it was at the point of starvation and captured footage of it. Their intention in the expedition was explicit. As Middermeyer explained, quote, photographer Paul Nicolin and I were on a mission to capture images that communicate

the urgency of climate change. Documenting its effects on wildlife hasn't been easy. With this image, we thought we'd found a way to help people imagine what the future of climate change might look like. Neither she nor Nick ever explicitly tied the bear's condition to climate change. That was done by National Geographic

when they picked up the footage and attached the words, quote, this is what climate change looks like to the video. Middermeyer responded to the backlash that the video caused from climate denialists by agreeing that the caption was probably going a little too far. And even National Geographic has said as much in a slight retraction.

But that's far from saying that they are just making stuff up. It was only a recognition that they couldn't prove that climate change had anything to do with this specific bear's starvation, which was never a claim being made by the photographer and the team. But you know what? That's kind of missing the point.

In Middermeyer's explanation post about this, she says, quote, I can't say that this bear was starving because of climate change, but I do know that polar bears rely on a platform of sea ice on which to hunt. A fast warming Arctic means that sea ice is disappearing for increasingly longer periods of time each year. That means many more bears will get stranded on land

where they can't pursue the seals, walruses and whales that there are their prey and where they will slowly starve to death. The caption implied more than anyone knew about this specific bear, but the specific bear was an evocative, realistic portrait of what the future holds for polar bears if action isn't taken.

If anything, this was an instance of sloppy editorial work, but absolutely not a gotcha moment that proves that all climate change activists and conservationists are just making shit up to scare kids or whatever. Yeah, that's just indicative of why we lose. That whole thing of like, look, you're misunderstanding everything

and you're making a bad faith argument towards us, but maybe you have the thinnest, barest sliver of a point, so we're just going to come out and we're just, because we don't want to do it. We just don't want to fight this bullshit. Fine, we can't prove that one polar bear is dying of climate change.

Yeah. And I'm never going to stop saying this. What they should have said was go fuck yourselves. Right. That's what you should say to any climate denialist ever, always. I see your side of it. I also see the side of National Geographic airing on the side of like, well,

let's retain our standards. No, and I totally understand that. It's not that I don't understand where they're coming from. It's absolutely not that, and it's not even that I'd necessarily disagree with the editorial position in many aspects, but with this kind of bullshit, that's why we lose the messaging fight

over and over and over and over again. We are not going to do anything about climate change because of a bunch of shit, but includes that. We talk about this all the time, and you and I have a slight disagreement, but it's actually you agree with me, but you emotionally can't handle it. And that is that people like National Geographic

need to uphold these standards, and we need equally, not equally large, because it shouldn't be as large as, let's say, National Geographic, but you need forces making that go fuck yourself point that aren't the National Geographic. Right, right, right. You need them to maintain their integrity

while other voices in media, and people like you can say those things, and that can be a messaging tentacle, and National Geographic can play by editorial standards. Having those is crucial. And they have both, and we don't. Or actually, they have the go fuck yourself wing, and we just have the editorial standards wing.

Well, that's why we need to... We need to boost our go fuck yourselves wing as well. Wow, that's your mission. So earlier, I thought... Kind of is my mission. Yeah, I wasn't saying that's sarcastic. I know. So I was saying earlier that I thought

that Alex was basing the... They've admitted that they're just trying to scare you on the comments made by Obama's former head of the EPA, Deanna McCarthy, saying that that could easily be taken out of context. Seemed like Alex's MO seemed perfect, had all of the pieces in place. But you know what?

I was giving him way too fucking much credit. All right. That is... This is one of the first instances of me being like, aha, I bet this is what Alex is talking about, that later in the show, he reveals what he's talking about. I'm like, I can't believe I thought he read an article.

I can't believe it. Because you know what? It's just a random person in Savannah Hernandez 's report. There it goes. I know Beto O'Rourke came forward, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez. They said we had about 10 to 12 years to fix things before.

I'm not sure if like either we all die or if it's irreversible. What do you guys think about all of those comments? I think it's like that amount of time till it's irreversible. But once it's irreversible, like we're kind of done for. There's nothing else we can do. It's kind of scare tactics sometimes,

but you kind of have to scare people to jump start them to do anything about it. Because like she said, there is data to back it up about the way things are headed. This is what he's basing it on. Just random people that Savannah Hernandez interviewed at the climate change rally. That's so sad.

I thought he was talking about the former head of the EPA and lying about her. It's just random man on the street shit. Dude. And he's presenting it as the leaders are admitting that it's just about fear. This is such a pathetic, this is like, this is a fucking,

I don't even know how to describe how flimsy this shit is. I have watched so many goddamn man on the street interviews from the right wing on the climate march. What boggles my mind is literally every answer they get is actually very reasonable and intelligent. And they're like, look at these dumb dumps. They don't even bother with engaging with it at all. They're just like, look at how stupid this person is

after they're like, well, it is, I understand that you don't understand that it's a irreversible after 10 or 12 years, but that is the data on it. And sure, it is scare tactics, but you know what? You need to scare people sometimes to get, to force them into action.

I mean, that is, that's something that everybody knows. And look at those idiots over there, a bunch of kids at the climate march. Anyways, these people are liars. Let's move on. Anyway, the globalists are trying to kill you by putting things in your water and all these different save yourself supplements.

Yep. Exactly. Great. Good work, dude. So I was also curious though when I was listening to this report that she filed, I was thinking like, why is she getting straight answers? You know, like, she's an infowars reporter

going out to a climate change rally. She doesn't have infowars branded stuff, does she? Well folks, we heard a lot of facts and statistics today and well, we're going to die. This has been Savannah Hernandez with Action 7 News. These people are a death cult. She's with Action 7 News. She's with Action 7 News?

What? This is such manipulative shit. Alex knows that when his reporters go out to places, they'll rightly get yelled at, flipped off, and mocked. Like, he knows that that's absolutely what's always going to happen to them. And he knows that he can't create effective propaganda with that. Don't get me wrong, that still serves a purpose.

He knows that when he sends Caitlyn Bennett out, for instance, people are going to yell gun girl at her and tell her to fuck off. That's why most of her field pieces are about how evil and mean the left is. She's just this nice girl trying to go out and ask people questions and they all just yell gun girl at me. She's a lightning rod for that kind of a response

because most people know who she is and they have no interest in doing much more than laughing at her. And the best way to monetize that reaction is selling victimhood narratives. But you can't just do that about everything. Like, with the climate protest, it's a little off target to just paint the protesters as a rabble-rousing crowd of rude people. That dog doesn't really hunt.

On account of their children. Well, that's part of it. If your coverage is just constantly portraying everyone else's rude, you kind of run the risk of the audience eventually catching on and realizing that maybe that's just how the public responds to you. So you use that selectively. And like, Owen can't really do much in public anymore.

He's sort of crossed that recognizability threshold. So people don't really respond well to him. Like, children tell him to fuck off when he goes out with an info wars mic. The perfect solution is a new woman reporter who no one recognizes pretending she doesn't work for info wars. No one has any idea who Savannah Hernandez is. An Action 7 news sounds so bland as to be probably real

unless she's able to ask people questions and record their answers under false pretenses. Most of the people would not talk to her if they knew that she worked at info wars. And both she and Alex are fully aware of it. What they're doing is like a hidden prank show, but with no reveal and no point. Can they do that?

Well, it's interesting you ask. Okay, there we go. According to the ethics section of journalists.org, for the news to have credibility, we must be ethical in our news gathering. They go on to say, quote, most news organizations agree that journalists generally should identify themselves

and their news organization in the course of a routine news gathering. It is not appropriate to mislead or deceive someone you're interviewing or to use subterfuge to obtain news. The general exception to this guideline is when someone is doing investigative reporting and they're undercover.

You know, but generally speaking, the guidelines on that are really based on like, is it appropriate? Is the news that you're gathering so crucial for the public to know about that it justifies going undercover? Is it, you can only get this by going undercover? Is there a safety issue?

Right. I don't think the meatpacking industry was going to tell Upton Sinclair everything on the, on the up and up, if you will. Probably not. On the up and up and up and if you will. I won't. But if this is how Alex wants to play it, I guess that's, you know,

it says something deeply pathetic about the state of things at InfoWars. They are so not credible, so disliked, so universally mocked that in order to get a straight answer out of a random person at a public protest, they have to conceal their identities. That is amazing.

That is bad. That's not good. That is bad. Oh man. That's, that's Alex having to wear hat sunglasses and a fucking Charlie Chaplin mask in order to go out and eat. In order to get bad.

Just like a normal interview going. They have to resort to, like you said, Upton Sinclair levels of deception. Yeah. And it's like, I mean, that's unseemly. Yeah, that's not good. That's not good. All of it's kind of moot though,

because we know InfoWars isn't a journalism outlet, so they're not really held to the same standards of ethics that a real news operation would be. If they were subjected to that kind of scrutiny, all this shit they do would be so laughably disqualifying, pretending you work somewhere else to go do man on the street interviews. The fuck out of here.

That is, God, that's so sad. The response that you get is not organic. That's so sad. Every question that you're asking, the response is deceptive, because you're using deception to ask the question. Right. So by default, all of this stuff,

you have to view as like, well, throw it out. Even though these answers that the people give are innocuous and fine answers to questions, it's still like you're lying to retrieve that information. That's interesting, because it's almost the inverse, I would say. Like if you were coming at me with an InfoWars microphone, I would never give you a genuine answer.

So in this sense, the only way that they can't get it, the only honest answer is going to come from deceit. And if they're honest, they're only going to get deceit in response. Well, what you have to do. They've created an alternate reality of journalism. Well, definitely. What you have to do is be deceptive

when gathering the information in these interviews, and then be further deceptive in how you present the responses that you get. Yes. So it's, I don't know. I mean, if we're at the point where for InfoWars to actually get an answer from someone, they have to go full undercover journalist.

Yeah. Great. That doesn't bode well. Man, that is... Because eventually people are going to know who Savannah Hernandez is, and then he's going to need a new employee. Everyone's disposable once they are recognizable.

That is really interesting. They have gone through the... The abyss no longer looks back at them. They're like hanging out with the abyss chilling. Like, hey, wait until somebody else comes over here and looks at us and then we'll bring them in. And you know what the essential problem of this too is? It's self-destroying.

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Savannah Hernandez makes some amazing piece that goes viral that ruins her usability in any other video. People start to know who she is. Owen Shroyer can't really do those man-on-the-street bits because everyone reposted the video of the kid telling him to fuck off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That ruined his ability to go out without anyone to be like, ah, InfoWars. Hey, fuck off. Yeah, exactly. Kate Ledbenek came in with that reputation. Like, she was already that person from Talking Points USA, Turning Point USA, and the gun girl shit. She already had that reputation.

So like anybody that he has has to stay obscure. There is a ceiling to the amount of attention they can get, which is self-defeating. It's a sad state of affairs. It would be interesting. Getting popular blows their cover. It's like they're doing one of those interviews with somebody who doesn't want to be identified.

So they're in all black and they've got their voice modulated. But the interviewer is the one who's in all black with a voice modulated. And they're talking to the normal person. It does not look good for the future. So Alex does his whole thing about this climate stuff. And it's very uncompelling. And I think we've hit a lot of the main points.

But Alex, in the middle of it, I'm sorry, at this point, this is past that. He's brought on Joel Scousen. Sure. Get the Scousen there. Yeah, which is interesting because he's someone who doesn't like Trump that much. And he's someone who has waned and his influence on Alex

in the days since Alex went to Trump. Like he used to be far more of an expert. And him coming around does seem to indicate to me a sense that Alex is more willing to criticize Trump. A lot of people are willing to go towards Scousen than Scousen coming towards Alex. Scousen is not moving on anything. OK.

Like he is a. He is a rock. He is an ideologue. He is someone who is very dead set in his ways. And should be. I mean, he has his own business. Yeah. Like he has the world affairs brief or whatever.

He's comfortable. He doesn't need Alex. And the fact that Alex is bringing him around. I heard him on an episode a couple of weeks back too. And he had been gone for a bit. Yeah, I can't remember the last time we talked about him present day. He pops up periodically.

But it's a long time in between. Whereas before he was a pretty regular guest. Yeah. It does indicate to me a slight wavering on Alex's part about Trump. But when he brings in Scousen. Right. He wants to talk about geopolitics.

What have you. All of his views are stupid. Whatever you want. Whatever event you're thinking of. He's got a dumb take on it. False flag. Everything is a false flag. Sure, sure, sure, sure.

Every goddamn thing. He's scowling Scousen. He's got to he's got to have an angle. And it's uniform. False flag. Everything. Who cares. Cool.

Alex wants to impress him though. And so he plays video at the beginning of this interview. Is it Lana Del Rey? It is not. Although that would impress me. That would. We're seeing Chinese style censorship come here to America. But first, let's hear from this little piece

that triggers leftist. Here it is. So that's the introduction for the video. And you can tell already it's probably going to be him doing his Asian impression again. Oh, no, oh, no. Alex made a second. He made a second video.

He made a second video where he's just doing that Asian voice. So here's a little piece of it because. Let's get triggered, Dan. All it is also like you'll you'll hear in this like you'll see what he's this is just amazing stuff. Whatever you do, do not visit band.video. Band.video is evil Americans whose Silicon Valley is

teaching to shut up like China's glass. He just did he did a second video like this and it's just a commercial for his band.video site. That's that's just sad. That is sad. That is very sad. That is sad. I'm I'm wow.

I have not felt true sympathy towards Alex in I don't know two and a half years. I still don't I mean but that is just the closest I can get is just like watching like look he's a monster. But if I was walking by him and he was in a goddamn gutter like so it all over his fucking you know a chimney sweep from Mary Poppins. Okay he's doing that.

I'm I'm like Alex. I really hope you die sooner rather than later. But this sucks man. I'm sorry if you're a family member and Alex does his second weird Asian voice. Oh you kick him out. You kick him out. You do an intervention.

Yeah. This is sad. This is this is a pathetic attempt to get attention. Like you can even see in the like the intro is like this triggers the lives. Yep. I've not heard anybody talk about this other than us. And we were not triggered as much as we were mocking how

sad of a desperate attempt at attention. This is. Yeah. This is a desperate attempt to trigger people in order to get them to repost it and talk about how bad you are in order to get free publicity. Yep. Like we're not triggered by this.

We think you're fucking stupid. Yeah it's it's a little too it's too transparent. It's too transparent. A little and the fact that you make a second one that is just promoting your stupid video website. Yeah. And you introduce it as this triggers the lives. You couldn't be more clear what you're trying to do.

And he's so proud of himself. So proud. That's what makes it the the that's the cherry on top as he's like look at what I did that triggers all these leftists and meanwhile. Dude go home. Yeah. Go to bed.

Yeah. So Alex wants Scousen's response to the video. And he is a stop it. Stop it. Quick. Well I well I do say that he's an ideologue and he's not going over to Alex's side. Scousen is still polite.

Okay. Joe Scousen's always so serious. That means he wasn't laughing. No he was not. Hey Joe what do you think of that? Brilliant. I'm glad to see you come up with banned video. There's got to be some alternative to YouTube that

allows the truth to come out without being censored. Well you're welcome to have a dial in and a channel on it. We're going to expand it to you know folks that do great work like you do to be providers. And so anything goes as long as we know the folks are good and have a great history. We will be the gatekeepers of who can have any posting abilities on this total free speech site.

Yeah it sure seems like that means that you can kick people off if you want to. Yeah you can preemptively kick people off by not allowing them on. That seems strange. Oh it seems like you have far more censorship than you do. What if like Brian Stelter wants a channel. We don't have Brian Stelter on it. You're going to give Brian Stelter a channel on a banned video.

This isn't for you. This we need a safe space Dan. It's oddly obvious. We're triggered by his content. It's obviously not for banned people because Paul Joseph Watson still on YouTube and he has a fucking channel on there. Such ridiculous bullshit. But the presentation of it is such a scam.

Like this is all about promoting info wars. His own content and his guest's content I guess. Scousings not going to have a channel on there. No but like it's about that. It's about funneling people to info wars. And anybody who's not on that tip there's no reason for him to give them a channel unless they're someone huge. Like Sargon of Codd.

Like who mentioned he has a big fan base. If he wanted a channel on there Alex would probably allow that because it gives him more traffic to his thing. But there's still no real way for him to monetize it. Like I don't this just is stupid. It just even for what it aspires to be. I don't see the path that works. And it's not what it aspires to be.

No it is it is it has all the hallmarks of a half-assed idea. It has every hallmark of people like well we got to do something. We just got to do something because everything that we've been doing isn't working. So let's let's try this. Let's throw this out there. Let's throw this out there. You don't have an infrastructure in place.

You don't have any providers other than the people who work for you. You've got nothing. Yeah. But it's it's responding to something that people want. Like you hear and all these really messed up places of the internet. You hear people say like we need an alternative to YouTube. Right. And so Alex thinks or acts like he's filling that need.

But what he's actually doing is quite different. It's gatekeeping. It's creating his own space. And yeah I mean like no one who are in those let's say crypto fascist neo-nazi adjacent right nationalist type worlds those people who had those channels that maybe got demonetized or kicked off YouTube. They're not going to want to come on Alex's thing. Right.

Well I mean the only and if you wanted to make the thing itself a success then you would have to have before you even launched it you would have had to have a bunch of people already created. Spotify didn't launch with the bands that of the people who worked for Spotify. Right. And that was it. Three bands and then and then like six months later a few more came on. Right.

You know it's like you have to have a catalog when you launch otherwise it's going to disappear and nobody's going to come back. So either this is a completely half-assed idea or they don't even really expect it to succeed. To succeed. Could be both. Yeah it could be both. So we got three clips left and there because the rest of the episode is them talking to Scousen about how everything's a false flag.

Sure sure sure. I don't care too much about that. But it is. But Scousen says three things that I think are particularly absurd and they will be our countdown. Okay okay. In no particular order just in chronological in the interview order here's the first one. These people are crazy.

Well they've been propagandized they just don't have any basis of knowledge for this stuff that they're they're saying they're pro-social because they don't understand the concept of hidden victims. Socialism always have hidden victims. Regulations always have hidden victims. Well yeah where's all the free money going to come from people that don't want to work. Yeah. Capitalism.

Zero hidden victims Dan. No hidden victims. No hidden victims at all Dan. That's not to say that either system is entirely right or without problems but like if that is one of your marquee criticisms of people who like push for socialist leaning policies. Yeah. You're an idiot.

Absolutely. Like if you're pretending that hidden victims are your problem then you should also have robust critique of capitalism. Nah the only thing. If that is the problem. Yeah. It's not unique to this. No.

Like it's not unique to socialism. Well I mean obviously his problem is that he thinks in socialism he's going he's going to be one of the hidden victims whereas right now in capitalism he seems to be doing just fine. That might be a more accurate way to read his comments. Yeah. But that said even if you don't want to apply that like assumed motivation to him he's still making an incredibly flimsy argument. Oh it's not a flimsy argument it is a non-argument.

It is stupid. Who are you Malinu. Hey there we go. You know he responds to everybody not an argument. Really. Yeah. Oh god what a fucking dick. Yeah.

God I hate him so much. He's the worst. So here's a scousin making a prediction coming in at the number two spot. But the big problem comes in world war three when we're going to absorb a nuclear first strike our military is going to be decapitated and our leaders are going to come out of their bunkers and say uh we didn't know this was happening but the only way we can defend ourselves now is to join in a militarized global government with taxing power and all the things that the Britain's you know doesn't want out of the EU.

So the world war two were engineered to bring in the League of Nations and UN that is their plan. So we're going to absorb a first strike a nuclear first strike all the globalists will be in bunkers or redouts and then they'll emerge and create a one world government. Oh boy. Great. And world war one and world war two were just false flags. I did not expect that to. Everything is a false flag.

Everything is a false flag to get to a world government. Nothing has ever actually happened. You know what I find fascinating. That nothing has ever happened. Is that nobody is talking about how the only way the human race survives is if we absorb a first strike. Do you know what I mean. Like if we actually just accept a first strike instead of creating a chain reaction of nuclear.

You need to be super clear about that. Oh yeah. You're not saying that the only way the world survives is if we get nuked yourself. No no no no. In a nuclear to be. Yes exactly. A nuclear exchange not responding is the only way to save the world. Exactly.

Yeah yeah yeah absolutely. I think I don't know if I 100% agree with you but I'm inclined to agree with that hypothetical because it's one place being nuked versus. Everybody. Yeah yeah once the chain reaction starts it's all you know the only way would be if somebody is like guys we're not going to respond. Right the ideal state of affairs is everyone dismantling their nuclear weapons and all those sorts of weapons.

Right. But failing that if someone nukes somebody them not responding with equal measure is a preferable outcome. Yes yeah yeah yeah. Even though the nuclear strike would be devastating and one of the worst things that could ever happen. Right people people don't have all of the all of those arguments of like no we need to have we need to keep our ability to strike first on the table is like you're insane.

You're absolutely insane. The idea that you would ever use them period is insane and anybody who doesn't say that is insane is insane. I yes yeah I had a hard time tracking that sentence because it's you said insane so many times but I think I agree with you. Yeah. So we have this last clip coming in at number one scousin saying something fucking stupid. And you simply have to say I'm sorry we're not dealing with this anymore.

There's no way and you should never try to improve the public schools you don't try to improve an inherently evil institution. It just keeps people in there longer. People need to get their kids out of public schools either through private or homeschooling education. Is that an option for everybody scousin? Oh I you know what there are some hidden victims to this plan. Maybe a couple.

Maybe a couple. I don't I feel like that is ridiculous. It's the same thing with a lot of these initiatives that Alex really wants to and his guests in this worldview that they put forth they they foresee an ideal situation off in the future which is like everybody's homeschooled and we're all great. Yeah what they don't realize is that the process of getting to that outcome would be devastating. It would destroy countless lives right and preclude us from ever reaching the destination.

Their method to get to where they want to go makes it so that end goal is impossible. I see where you're coming from and that would be the end of the sentence. I just think like it's delusional to think that you're ever going to get to a point where everyone is able to take their kids out of school and homeschool them or put them in private schools like from a financial standpoint from a life logistics standpoint there just isn't the ability for everybody to do that. Now what because that's a very pie in the sky ish kind of thinking what you're advocating for is never improve the public schools.

Yes I I find this repulsive. I find this to be a terrible prescription for life. Yeah yeah it is the only people who get hurt are people who you know wouldn't be able to use the remedy to begin with the people who wouldn't be able to homeschool because they work multiple jobs to make ends meet or they can't afford a private school. It's just prohibitive for them. Those are the people who are hurt by what you're suggesting of let's make the schools worse. Yeah well his his the first clip is very clear.

I'm worried that I'm going to be a hidden victim in your system whereas right now I am not a victim and I don't really care about the people who are. It doesn't matter to me like when you talk about people who are out of touch and you talk about the elitist like this is out of touch in a completely different ballpark. He just doesn't even comprehend the lives of people who aren't like him. Well and he also goes on to say like yeah it can be tough but I did it. I homeschooled my kids it's like well great that doesn't mean. I don't think that you should have or I want them to go back to public school.

Everybody everybody has a choice I guess I don't know. I mean specifically with the Scouts. Okay yes. I don't want Scousen teaching anyone anything. The arch family of anti-communism that is the Scousen. I do trust I do have questions about the curriculum right. Yeah I just I think it's absurd and very dangerous as a mentality. You are just like applying whatever is true subjectively to you on everyone objectively

and it's it's deeply unfair to people's life circumstances and what you're advocating for is hurting people. Yeah that's all. It's that same kind of concept that so many of these people bring of like well you know the government is running a deficit when my family is running a deficit we tighten our belts and we don't do that and it's like I get why you think that makes sense but you're an idiot. So go back to fucking public school and don't listen to your dad Scousen anymore. Now if we like I don't even care should improve the public schools.

That's one of the only things that always leads to positive outcomes. There has never been a situation where people are like oh man these public schools are so good and everything is destroying around them. Yeah fuck these guys they're really cheering for negative outcomes for everyone who's unlike themselves and that's a very consistent trend. Yeah so it was interesting to me though I mean like first of all the Lana Del Rey stuff is just like I cannot be more excited about this weird progression that he's on. Yeah that makes me I do feel a little weird about having something in common without.

Where do where do we go next. I'm not a I'm not a pop music guy so what do you got. I don't think he could ever get on board with Carly Rae Jepsen. Can't do Jepsen. Although if he does I'm out. Can't do Kesha right. He never gonna never gonna do Kesha. No and especially because like her latest album Rainbow is very well just saying the word Rainbow

to Alex Triggers. Yes I think I think he would have a lot of trouble with like Woman. Yeah and learned to let go. I don't think he'd like this is a hymn for the hymn list that song. I really don't think he would like that. Not gonna not gonna enjoy that. No so even though she's really evolved as an artist from her days of like wake up in the morning feeling like P. Diddy and like her brush my teeth with the bottle of Jack.

She's evolved a lot from those days and even the Die Young that Warrior album. She's definitely come a long way but the progression is something that Alex would absolutely not be on board with. Hmm yeah I don't think he would go. I don't think he's a he's gonna go backwards in the in the catalog either. I don't think that's gonna think he's gonna get into Michelle Branch. What else. What else.

Nico Case. Maybe. No. Annie DeFranco. I don't I don't I don't know. It's very absurd. I love it though but the other thing that's really interesting is this sort of like three act structure that this show kind of has.

Yeah you know I very rarely see things that are kind of on message for Alex and that's very strange. You know you have the the touching kids in schools in the beginning and then the interview with the Parkland father. That makes up the first hour. Second hour is all the climate bullshit. Third hour is interview with Joel Scousen. Like it yeah it has a much more of a rigid structure than other episodes.

Even in the present day that I've listened to and I don't I don't know if that makes this easier to take in but it wasn't as much of a chore listening to it. Like when Alex is like scattershot and literally just bouncing off the walls. This this this this is like but do but do. Yeah it's very difficult to keep up with him and keep track of like what are you even saying. And maybe this is a blessing for me in some ways. You know in terms of actually like dealing with the issues that he's talking about. Yeah yeah in keeping with Alex's truth though it is one of those things where

it could mean either that he's giving a shit and trying to make a better show or it could mean that he's completely given up and is letting somebody else tell him what he's giving his producers more authority. Yeah exactly but it doesn't it doesn't there's no like there's a third possibility and like he's talked about like how he doesn't drink anymore. And it's possible that like his sobriety is kicking in. Yeah and he's like his head is clearing up a little bit from those days when he would scream about the ways to learn.

But he's doing all that speed with barns over there come on man. I mean but speed sometimes helps you with your mental organization. That's true for a while for a bit. It could it could be like I never believe him when he says anything. Yeah but he has said that he's you know not drinking and trying to exercise more and there's a decent chance of that. It just puts him in a place where he's better able to organize what he's presenting. Yeah that's true.

If you look back into the past I mean he's all over the place but he could make points better in the past whereas we've seen in 2019 2018 so much just like this guy is unwell. Yeah like his like the process of thinking is disorienting. There's still a bit of that but maybe maybe it's a sign of progress or he could be lying about everything he's talking about in his health and it is just his producers being more on the ball or it could be his last gasp attempt at like maybe this will write the show. Yeah yeah yeah maybe I'll control myself.

Who knows. Could be anything. But whatever the case is like I said it's a little easier to just swallow. Yeah so thank you Alex. Rainwater with cold ice cubes after walking through the desert. Juicy ice cubes. Who says that. Alex fucking Jim.

Gross. So we'll be back on Friday with either another present day episode because Alex we don't know his response at the time we're recording this but Trump just gave that speech where he said that the future is not for globalists it's for patriots. Right. And we have to assume Alex is freaking out about that. Something is going on. But we to get this episode out in time we don't have time to see his response so we may have

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Grab the third grape you see pull it out. There's going to be a little stick drive in there and you can listen to this. This is the problem with specifics. I know. I'm not that good at improv it turns out. Well stick to sketch. Guys we'll be back but I'm Neo. I'm Leo.

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