Knowledge Fight - #349: April 15-16, 2013

Episode Date: September 30, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at the episodes of The Alex Jones Show on the day of and the day after the bombing at the Boston Marathon. In this installment, a Family Guy episode gets distorted, one of Alex's employee's relatives becomes an essential piece of the conspiracy, and Detective John Munch comes along for the ride.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight I love you hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan we're couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones indeed we are Dan what up Dan what up playboy are you panicking I am why are you panicking over vape fever oh yeah I mean I guess these this whole thing is going on I'm so sick of this bull I know right is that your question yeah absolutely I want to hear your thoughts on this well I was thinking about this and it's it happened I'm old enough now I'm 35 I'm old enough and have a career as someone who

has smoked things for long enough yeah to realize that it kind of happens every generation there's kind of a little bit of a panic of some kind that we're marketing things to children and then you restrict everybody's access to fun stuff yeah like when I was I would call it 1920 ish or so I smoked cigarettes and camel came out with a line of cigarettes that would come in a tin and they would be there were like there was a vanilla flavor oh yeah I remember those yeah orange chocolate right like these were like really awesome cool flavors that I had that I fucking love these things right right and there was a big stink about that and they ended up having to get them out of the stores because they were selling them to kids right and I mean the same

things have lingered for a long time like you can't sell menthol cigarettes 100 feet from a school in Chicago or whatever you have these like these weird rules about like these appeal to children therefore gone and now we're just going through with the next generation of technology with the vapes I think it's fucking lame I understand that like I don't know cotton candy vape cartridge might appeal to a younger person but you know what I'm 30 fucking five and I want to buy one too I'm not proud of that but I do I bought the sour gummy worm flavor from the vape shop I have to try them I love the novelty I like them I like the weirdness of it and I don't appreciate this government overreach oh man it's so stupid

but I do but I do also understand that there are problems that are possibly coming to light about vape use that we just didn't have enough time to really understand some of the some of the dangers about them right right for sure and if you know if things are motivated along those lines and there are restrictions that are made then I kind of understand but if it's just flavor-based no fuck off fuck off so that's my speech on face I was wondering yeah I'm not thrilled with it I also just miss those camels that came into love those fuck I just I everybody has pointed it out but it is never not hilarious to me that it's like Walmart we're never selling vapes again I'll take two packs of camel thank you very much yeah wonderful yeah it's a mess yeah

um so this is probably guys who have a lot of feelings about flavored tobacco products and I know a lot about alex jones uh I think I'm on both now I think we're all right so Jordan today we are getting into the long-awaited and highly anticipated and anxiety-provoking episode of the alex jones show from April 15th and 16th we'll be going over today where the uh boston marathon bombing happens and we get to see how alex responds to it in real time and I sincerely think that this is one of the grimmer looks at a man great great all right off to a off to a good start um he does not comport himself well oh that's a surprise I will say that's a surprise along the way I have a lot of very very fine points to make and it's one of the

things that I think is really the most difficult and most rewarding of doing this podcast and that is that whenever there's something like this this the tragedy happens or news breaks you really get to see how alex spins his wheels in real time and I think deconstructing how the the the ball moves forward especially in the immediate point I think is really revealing yeah and then also I lost respect for someone that I previously had respect for oh yeah oh and it's not dan badandi it's not I assume it's not leo uh zagami no there's nothing that could make me lose leo zagami does not show up uh over this stretch of time now that is that would be funny that would be wild that would be wild especially because Alex doesn't I did it especially because alex doesn't know him

at this point so that would be very strange he just walks into studio yeah um so we'll get into all that and uh I think uh there's a lot to learn a lot to discuss today but before we get to that you gotta take a moment to say thank you to people who have signed up and made this anxiety provoking episode possible love it so first of all thank you to philip you're now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks philip next katelyn thank you so much you're now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks katelyn next dustin thank you so much you're now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks dustin i had a guy i worked at a movie theater with yeah dustin his last initial was g and it made him furious that his name was dusting oh no and i hope that this person is not living in the

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i declare info war on you thank you so much saunty and thank you so much admiral cavendish yes thank you very much absolutely uh if you're out there listening and you like uh the show where we do uh and you'd like to sport uh the efforts uh there in there by i'm not sure what it would be uh yeah that one's troublesome uh but whatever the case if you'd like to support our show you can do that by going to our website knowledge fight dot com clicking the button that says sport the show we would appreciate it please do so i want to give a tiny little speech here just to uh to just right at the gate so uh that we're starting on april 15th and uh on april 15th 2013 at 249 eastern time a bomb detonated near the finish line of the boston marathon 14 seconds

later a second bomb placed 210 yards away went off three people were killed but at least 264 were wounded 14 of whom uh required amputations the high number of injuries was the result of the homemade bombs being packed with nails and ball bearings meant to be shrapnel to hit as many people as possible the bombs themselves were very rudimentary which led authorities to believe that this could easily be the work of amateurs their basic construction of the bombs was just a pressure cooker uh pressure cooker filled with gunpowder a little wiring and the shrapnel the gunpowder came from fireworks that were purchased and emptied into the pressure cookers which is just chilling to think about a person with really terrible intentions could do so much damage with

pretty easy to get materials if they're so motivated and and drawn that direction when this all happened i was working a terrible temp job at an insurance company that i had no business being in the underwriting department for it was just a very weird circumstance they had very little work for me to do so a lot of my time was spent reading conspiracy message boards to pass the time i remember april 15th 2013 very clearly and i remember how everyone in the conspiracy world was following alex jones's lead so many of the narratives that i heard listening back to these episodes were taken as concrete fact on the sites that i was killing time reading and when posters on those sites would be pushed to provide a source it was very regularly info wars links

i struggled with how to present this episode since everyone listening knows how this plays out at least in the real world or at least they know the basics of it our episode today is going to cover exclusively april 15th and 16th and i kind of feel like if i lay out everything that happens with the uh the aftermath of the bombing and and how things progress that'll leave us with very little to deconstruct and talk about when the later events come around when we cover future episodes so i apologize if that's unsatisfying but i assure you we'll cover all that stuff as it unfolds for now by the time alex goes off air on the episode on april 16th no one knows anything about who did the bombing no one knows what their motivations could have been or if they were even

working with a terrorist group here's all the information that had come out by the 16th within minutes it was clear that this was not an accident since there were two explosions a ways apart from each other and video footage showed explosions inconsistent with a gas main explosion or something along those lines it was clear very quickly that this was an attack initially a whole lot of the media coverage was about how about people who saved each other's lives in the absence of any concrete things to report that seems like the next most important story to tell reassuring people people were embodying that mr roger's spirit of looking for the helpers obama's press conference mirrored this with him highlighting the bright parts of humanity that

come out into tragedy the people selflessly helping each other the runners continuing to run to the hospital to donate blood inspiring and unifying images basically just as like we got to tell people something yeah yeah yeah this is something that alex really doesn't talk about at all over the course of these episodes and sincerely the human aspect of this both uh that uh that's inspirational and the part that's tragic i don't really see alex being all that interested in any of that stuff by the 16th obama had given his speech and he called this an act of terror but wasn't necessarily calling it a strongly a terrorist attack um and the that kind of caused a little bit of uh weird conversation surrounding why aren't you calling this a terrorist attack yeah yeah

which we'll touch on a little bit down the down the road on this episode the fbi was quoted by the bbc is calling it a quote potential terrorist investigation that they were engaged in boston police commissioner edward davis held a press conference and announced they had no specific intelligence that something like this would happen uh in advance the country but boston in particular was in a very fucked up place something that had such positive connotations a marathon had been turned into something terrifying marathons were the sort of thing that you associate with being the culmination of hard work and dedication with family and friends cheering you on to make it those last steps to get across the finish line the bombers had taken those associations and

replaced them with blood trails and missing limbs which is very hard to deal with as a country and even if you're watching it on tv even if you're away from it particularly for the people immediately associated with with what happened but everybody is is reeling to an extent and on top of that the culprits were still on the loose and there wasn't a lot of clues about who'd done this boston was on high alert with heightened law enforcement levels on the streets no one knew if this person or persons were going to strike again no one knew what to expect no one knew anything except that a lot of people got hurt and that it was intentional this is an incredibly tense situation it's one of elevated anxiety and one where people crave any information to

help them make sense of what happened it's the kind of situation where someone like alex jones is at his most dangerous because no one knew what the story was of what had happened alex was free to craft the story all his own and no one could really prove that he was wrong it was a very definition of that metaphor i always use about alex needing to act fast he needs to act while the concrete is wet until that concrete dries he can easily put his initials in there forever but if he waits too long he's going to need a jackhammer to make an impression i try to approach this show our podcast from a position with a bit of objectivity and elevating myself above stuff and not let myself get too mad but i can't sit here and pretend that what we're going to go over here today

doesn't infuriate me for one my family lived in boston and cambridge from just after i was born until i was six years old and while i don't remember much of that time too vividly nor can i really claim any kind of big association with the city it's still a part of my life i've always held a real fondness for boston and i was a huge fan of the mighty mighty boston's growing up but ultimately that has little to do with my anger and i'm not trying to personalize this to myself what makes me angry is that if you pay attention to alex during the immediate aftermath of this attack you can very clearly see that what he's doing is intentional we often discuss the stupid versus evil question and i find his behavior that we're going to look at squarely on the evil side

i hope by the time we reach the end of this episode you'll see what i'm saying and realize that alex is making calculated decisions in order to maximize his outcome this episode will take a straight through to the 16th and like i said by that point the world really doesn't know that much we're a full two days away from the fbi releasing photos of the suspects and three days away from an arrest but those are all things that we'll cover on a future episode at this point we know that the bombs were pressure cookers we know it was an attack and that's about it at least that's what we know by the 16th as alex's show begins on the 15th the attack hasn't even happened yet he has no idea what's going to happen by the end of the time he's on air and thus we begin today's

show very familiarly in the sense that the show you know it's in a very serious holding pattern and we hear the familiar things that we've heard over the past couple weeks right but knowing what we know and knowing how his show before it goes off air is going to have this giant curveball thrown it's very surreal to hear the completely normal thing at the beginning yeah and so that's where we'll end up jumping in all right i feel like i should pull curtains open after that like and we have set the stage and now our first act begins yeah i'm sorry if that's a bit uh much but no no no it's i'm just i'm saying it's it's uh theatrical it's it's it is what it is i don't mean it to be i just felt that there needed to be more of a thesis to this than than normal

because i the stakes are a little bit higher a little bit and i i came away from this listening to these episodes with far more of a strong feeling yeah of like he's doing this on purpose yeah i can see the craft here than uh in other times in the past granted on some smaller scale things it's obvious you can see like he's doing that on purpose you know ding ding ding ding ding yeah yeah yeah but in this case it was just pretty overt and i found it to be repulsive an actual like world shaking crisis pride opened his bullshit and now you see the craft you see the the artifice behind but the other thing about narcissistic malignant personality disorder and and it would be very difficult to concretely see it as much in the moment you know like back then if you're listening

in 2013 right it's much more difficult to see uh the ways that manipulation is being done but now six years later looking back it's pretty fucking clear to me at least and i hope uh you know i'll present these clips that we have and we'll walk through this and i hope uh the conclusion isn't that uh hey dad dad's uh dad's way off on this one yeah after three years of a non-stop creating context for almost precisely this moment i think dan got it wrong so we start on uh the 15th yeah and uh alex has a pretty standard narrative to begin the show gold is down six point nine one percent uh six point nine one percent to one thousand three hundred eighty dollars an ounce they're calling this a collapse a collapse would be losing half its value is

generally what you call a collapse not six point nine one but they're trying to create a collapse here's the headlines gold set for worse two-day loss since 1983 so he's leading the show with uh gold is down but but but it's not real really hey hey it's what six point nine percent nah that's nothing you need to lose 50 before it's a problem yeah yeah yeah yeah so he's rationalizing and minimizing this drop in the gold price right and of course it should be pointed out he's syndicated by the same guy who owns mitis resources a gold sales company so anytime he has a narrative that surrounds gold it's like well i don't know i i don't know about you man i don't know if i'm gonna listen to you i i i well the first thing that i hear is like him being like hey no no don't

worry about it it's not a collapse because i think the next sentence is gonna be now's a great time to buy actually it's six point nine percent down he does actually think that and yeah of course he does conspiracy behind it that's right that the globalists have exactly the same idea that you do so there's the headline panic is everywhere worse two-day loss it's night day three uh so that's how the media is pushing at abc news gold investors exit amid price collapse uh meanwhile you'll see soros badmouth gold you'll see other globalists do it they just want to be able to drive it down to buy it see there we go there it is there it is so in april 2013 gold prices plummeted today alex is talking about this six percent drop but it would continue from here ending april with a

13 percent drop this absolutely feeds into alex's paranoias that we've been seeing since he's a propagandist who's syndicated by a company that's also a gold dealer but everything he's suggesting about this drop in price is not true it's one of those universal features of alex's worldview uh that this taps into and that is selective omnipotence the globalists are so overpowered that they have complete control over all commodity prices and push them up or down to suit their whims they're suppressing the price of gold according to alex which explains why the value isn't through the roof but one day they're going to stop suppressing it so you better buy your gold from mightest resources now before it's too late of course that makes perfect sense but they're not just suppressing

the price sometimes they also crash the price but that's just so it gets really cheap and they can buy it all up right like they like the earlier one except for bigger right yeah but this they do it all the time but but it also makes no fucking sense now they're the fucking globalists right they're in bed with the federal reserve that's money is not an issue to them it's a huge issue if they wanted to buy up all the gold they could just do it at whatever price point they wanted they don't need to wait for a six percent drop in price like they're the evil version of a coupon cotton what are you talking about they're what do you think you get rich by not taking a six percent cut if you're the fucking globalist to do they're evil they're evil but they're thrifty

Dan I'm not sure they are I don't know if fiscal prudence is a hallmark of Alex's characterization of his enemies and the old adages you don't get rich by spending money Dan that's what they tell the poor rich by hoarding it right I don't I just think it's absurd to think like oh yeah the globalist they would buy up all the gold but they need it just a little bit lower in price right it's ridiculous the globalists can do whatever they want at any time right whenever they want it but they're mostly worried about kind of like inconveniencing a lot of people and margin exactly that's the selective omnipotence right they can do anything but they're encumbered by whatever restrictions I decide to put on them that make it convenient for my narrative his

his big restriction I think that will always come back to is that like they have to make you agree to it that's their restriction they can do whatever they want so magic you have to say yes to them you have to shake their hand like vampires yeah bullshit like in gravity falls with uh with the triangle man nonsense yeah so in reality if you consult more grounded data-driven sources like the international business times or Forbes the picture is really clear what's going on and postmortems that were done after the fact into 2014 the first variable is that gold mining companies were having a particularly bad year around this point which is an indicator to investors to be worried these companies took out expenditures and loans to establish new mines like nova gold did in

alaska and they were not coming through the picture looked a lot like a lot of these companies that provide a lot of the supply of gold were in trouble and that's a bad sign downstream the second factor was automated commodities trading tons of trading entities as had set up algorithms but they also set them up with very similar or the same buy and sell points so when the market veered in one direction yet a number of groups who are following the same pattern this wouldn't have had too much of an effect on the larger price of gold if it were just one or two entities automatically buying and selling but as commodities analysis analyst jeffery christian told the international business times quote it was more than 1000 entities trading in a 10 minute period which has a severe impact

yeah you see this in a lot of commodities markets and it's probably something that we should fucking regulate super heavily and maybe isn't even a healthy thing to allow quite well it is absolutely not but i'm not certain i'm well versed enough in markets to know if it's a good idea for us to just say like let's outlaw automated trading right i'm not i'm not positive all the ramifications of that but we should also be like let's get this under control michael louis has a wrote a book about the the the automation and how people are like the larger banks are trying to set up their servers as close as possible because even an inch of fucking fiber optic cable means a one one trillionth of a second faster and since all of this stuff is automated that means that you

win one one trillionth of a cent more than your competitors yeah and that adds up exactly because you're you're making 10 billion trades a second you know whatever it is yeah and uh yeah no it should absolutely be against the law 100 percent because you we've seen it so many times that like all of a sudden there's just this flash crisis that lasts 20 minutes and people lose and a lot of it could be fairly just uh accidental yeah based on computer and some of that stuff involves the random twitter content and like the general mood of twitter as a way of like while we buy or sell this nonsense you're like dude that's crazy it's all very bizarre uh computer shit that ends up affecting real world stuff in a way that maybe we should get a get a rain on yeah but not you're

saying you're saying them you're saying i'm saying maybe right there's where we stand point is that alex is lying about the gold situation in 2013 now honestly i think it's a factor in this whole thing that i hadn't considered too much about this escalating rhetoric that he's been putting out i mostly didn't consider it because he hasn't talked about it much until this episode the price of gold dropping is a huge part of his financial collapse narratives so it would make sense that he would latch onto it as a sign of the implosion that's coming ahead right and whether or not it's spoken i feel like this has been in the background for you know at least these april episodes that we've been listening to just as a ghost just the the the drop of gold prices but maybe he thought

like it'll course correct and now it hasn't yeah so he's talking about it i'll say that he he kind of gets distracted by something a little later in this episode he doesn't it doesn't factor too much into the coverage of the bombing but i wanted to bring this up here and make a point out of it because i have a strong suspicion it's going to get incorporated into his narratives moving forward because it does not stop gold has a bad year in 2013 but a particularly bad april that's when things really start to dive yeah and it does make sense from a uh all of his hustle narrative or you know his uh those motivations it makes sense that that would be a factor in a precipitous drop downwards in his uh his life so alex spends his wheels and he's yelling

about this you know there's the the financial side of things there's the um you know all of the same like they're going to take your kids the globalists are trying to get the veterans all this he's yelling and he reaches a despondent state when he starts talking about how he doesn't know what to do what about how's my daughter supposed to protect herself against the globalist and i honestly think that this is one of the more like irresponsible things for him to do i don't just say i get chills folks i i can hardly do this radio show because even doing this radio show is just like everything's business as usual it's not business as usual i just am so worried about my children i watch my five-year-old daughter go off to dance class

this morning with my mother who took her and they're just my mother's innocent even though she's a very smart person who knows history is the history obsessed buff uh you know still she's she's she's i mean what is my mother supposed to do to fight the new world order what's my five-year-old daughter supposed to do i'm the man i'm supposed to do something about this and i don't know what to do because you got crazy criminals running wild you can go out in austin texas or san diego california and every person you talk to in trendy areas says put all gun owners in forced labor camps ban water i mean they're just a sick cult of sick freaks who are not connected to history or reality and have no idea what they're gonna do to everybody okay i mean oh man we'll be back

stay with us so that's we're gonna head out to these tasty licks that's a reference to the mark dice uh man on the street prank videos the everyone wants to lock up uh oh yeah that gun owners they want to outlaw water dad right we need that uh it's it's insane to me the that's what that's based on first of all and second of all i just really think that like the escalation in his rhetoric that we've seen over the past couple weeks of his show where it's really very seriously getting to the point of like we are fucked we gotta like they're uh going to destroy us imminently and all this stuff when alex has moments where he is getting really emotional and saying i don't know what to do right you are like derelict in your duty is you have riled your audio audience up

into a frenzy and you're saying look i know i'm the captain but i don't know how to steer this yeah yeah yeah which leads the audience to think like i got some ideas in case you were wondering it's fucking chaos the ship is going down and you're on top of it so what are you gonna do you gonna jump no you're gonna like the ship on fire with everybody you've ever met it's even worse than that because alex is like okay there look look the boat is completely fucked it's going down i am a boat expert i know everything about boats and i gotta tell you i don't know what to do i don't know what's going on yeah so the audience we're gonna need a bigger boat literally right there's an expectation that the audience could have it's like even the most brilliant mind against the

globalists doesn't know what to do maybe some of my ideas would be good it frees them up to not really take alex's advice along the lines of this is an info war yeah this is nonviolent when you have him admit like i don't know what to do it kind of opens up the idea of like trust your own instincts do whatever you're fucking right and that's really dangerous you need a steady hand if you're going to act like alex is acting you can't be like i don't know ah fuck it i do like finding out more and more of his uh unique uh theology uh in in that like my mom is very innocent even though she's intelligent where you're like you're taking the whole fruit of the knowledge of good and evil tree a little too literally i think he means knowing something doesn't necessarily mean that

you lose innocence that's an interesting possibility i read it more along the lines of he just means like innocence as naivete or uh you know sort of a blissful ignorance of the uh right yeah yeah exactly that's pretty simple so in this next only the dumb can be innocent in this next clip uh you know the world hasn't changed yet so alex is uh still in a place where he can make petty complaints about pop culture like it uh so here's some of that i don't really pay attention to pop culture but i've been forced to and the stuff targeting 20 and preteen girls like baby nine ten eleven year olds that i hear booming out of cars and then i see uh children listening to on their on their iPads and iPods all of it is sexualizing them and hardcore devil worship kill your own dad kill

your own dad i'm not just talking about lady gaga but kesha uh jz all of it and uh again the guys were showing me this weekend uh some of the kesha videos where they're teaching young girls how to commit suicide and how beautiful it is to be married to the devil shut up old man you leave kesha alone what are we doing i want to do it i was like i remember there being some like kind of satany things in uh the die young videos so i went back and i watched it yeah there's some devil stuff in there cool but uh but cool yeah but there's not teaching people how to kill themselves then i started watching some more kesha videos i'm like hey alex what do you talk about uh your love is my drug why don't you talk about some of these uh real uplifting fun uh great uh pop songs that

you put out be that as it may on a recent episode we heard alex talking about how he stayed up late at night because that's when they played the uh the hardcore rock and roll yeah i was gonna say those people weren't doing devil imagery seriously like we the last one down old man the last clip we went to break with let zeppelin god damn it yeah famous yeah famously yeah you can't you can't so fucking can't have it both ways without just being like i hate the kids yeah exactly that's all you're doing just say that grumpy old asshole kids i don't understand children's music these days yeah that's all you're saying yep who gives a fuck i'm old i'm old is all i heard yep so in this next clip alex is uh he's continuing his obsession with mark dice's man on the street

reports and one of the things that i think is really uh interestingly revealed in this clip is he's talking about that uh the videos that mark's putting out but then he starts discussing plans of a video of a man on the street thing he wants to do and i think he's going about it wrong because i talked to mark dice and he went out and talked to people and that's what he ran into the videos up on drudgereport.com on the left hand side underneath the california flag of the bear in distress and you watch it and every person except for two young women who were obviously sisters they say i don't want to turn my guns in i own guns everyone else he said you know we're going to we're going to play at the moment we're going to uh you know go and arrest

the evil white tea party people and take their guns and by the way i'm going to send my reporters out to go one step further and say let's you know what these people haven't paid their fair share let's have 100 taxes on them and put them in forced labor camps and i guarantee you i will find people at the university of texas ready to put you in a forced labor camp he guarantees it because he's gonna edit it yeah like he's he's like all right here's the piece of propaganda i'm going to put together yeah i'm going to send someone out on the street and i bet i can find somebody yeah i bet you can too that is fun that is fun to be like i guarantee that i can go out on that street right now and find a car yeah okay i guarantee cool that i can craft a narrative that i will

present to you yeah and show as universal agreement that we should be put in camps and like dude that is not how this works that's not you can't you can't allow yourself to to present like pretend that that's reporting or means anything um it i i think that that clip is trivial in many ways but i think it's important because what we're about to witness with his coverage of the bombing that clip is him very clearly saying mark dies did such a great job he created amazing perception here with this video right i'm going to go out and create my own perception as well when you see the way that he crafts a narrative out of this bombing you see before the bombing even happened he was talking about doing a very similar thing around another topic yeah it's an mo so alex

another thing another little uh be in his bonnet is uh he's uh complaining about how the you know all the normalization in the media in the tv sure you know there's all the complaints about the uh the tv shows like we hate paul revere that never came out oh that one the making patriots look bad on tv not hard to do um and now it's even extended to making the tsa look good in commercials they're in the break out there on the television and you know with these new dvrs the last few years you can just rewind what was live you've probably already seen it they now have pillsbury doughboy ads where the tsa gropes the pillsbury doughboy uh and it is uh a bunch of fun uh to have this basically done to him that's the point of the pillsbury doughboy everybody gropes the doughboy

do you know what his catchphrase is it's not words it's him giggling because somebody poked him yeah that's his catchphrase yeah this is the most ridiculous thing possibly yeah what is going on it wasn't even a pillsbury commercial it's a geico commercial jesus christ because you know they had that whole campaign where they used other people's uh mascots and so and uh so yeah alex is uh i love i love how weak some of this shit is like the pillsbury doughboy enjoys the tsa groping him jesus if anything you might be able to interpret that is kind of uh a scathing pointing the finger at the tsa that they do grow people exactly the entire point is it's almost like there's a parody or like uh the satire to it that's uh no because i think i i think i remember that one where it is

that geico of like what's better than this and now the the pillboy or doughboy doughboy going through tsa and they're poking him and it's like well the implication is that the tsa always gropes people that is what they are known for yeah the underlying joke of it is actually a little bit subversive exactly yeah but alex takes it the other way maybe the issue isn't the doughboy yeah so um i thought i thought this next clip was very interesting and probably important for our sandy hook purposes and that is that uh you know within an hour before the boston bombing happens alex expresses his position on sandy hook visa v actors and i think uh this is where he stands uh at this point see i don't think that kids didn't really die at at new haven they like

killing real kids they clearly have some actors there to back up the story as well it's a composite part of its real part of it isn't that's very obvious and that's what very other declassified programs look like they're gonna kill real kids they're gonna kill real people so what i think is really interesting about this is alex keeps saying new haven instead of new town this is at least the second or third time i've heard him make that mistake which indicates kind of a disinterest second i don't give a fuck if he thinks some real kids died if he thinks that some people there were actors because he could believe that or he could make all of the accusations that he makes like robbie parker is an actor right uh uh you know all the other parents uh are are actors

that are you know suing him or whatever and still think some kids died yeah in essence what he's doing is picking and choosing who he wants to accuse this is and and accusing one person whose uh child died in that shooting of being an actor is equivalent to saying everyone was to me at least at least from a moral standpoint it's all the same game and he's he's past the line right even if he's saying some kids died there he has crossed the line into actor territory he's being unspecific about it but he's saying some people are actors there he's argued that people like robbie parker are acting like actors the conclusion that you have to make is that he thinks at least some people are lying about their family yeah and that's fucked up i mean for his purposes uh

or i suppose for ours if you want to make that argument as though it's a real thing then you have to go line by line yeah by name who's an actor who's real you kind of have a responsibility otherwise everybody is an actor because you get to choose in the moment yeah you can't you you're not going to say oh well robbie parker is is the one who's an actor and then you look and you look at the next one you're like their real kid died what you're doing is a half-assed way of saying everybody was an actor yeah and giving your audience permission to decide for themselves who was exactly exactly it's really tell me tell me who really died it's me a name it's really messy yeah otherwise you're just saying everybody's actors but you don't want to commit to

it yeah it's bullshit so alex's rhetoric and narratives have really ramped up over the preceding few weeks as i i've brought up a couple times and this leads alex to like really get mad about how like glenn beck is a dick yeah and uh he starts screaming about how his job isn't fun because all this stuff is real you know like all this stuff is real he is toe to toe with these fucking globalists sure and so like he just starts screaming about that and he says something that he will later consider a remarkable prediction you think it's fun doing this folks you think it's fun all the egomaniacs and narcissists out there that think they're patriots who all they do is in fighting stuff all day this is a life and death situation this isn't a game and they're gonna fire

first by blowing stuff up and saying we did it that's what we've got to expose who really does the fault fast and furious and of course they did aurora and of course they're up to their eyeballs i mean shooters in the same outfit from nearby hostage team swat teams from nearby federal special unit local police who were federal special event police caught in the woods it wasn't just one it wasn't just two there were three of them seen one of them arrested and then they tried to cover it up and say it didn't exist even though it was confirmed in the police reports and we have chopper video okay i mean we're in trouble folks they grace little kids boom right in the head to get our guns isn't it obvious i'm sorry sir go ahead so there's a collar on hold for that sure sure um so

yeah all that stuff was the sandy hook conspiracy yeah but he's screaming about there at the end and so his saying that they're going to blow stuff up and blame us right on the day that there is a bombing yeah he will deem that to be like i said it earlier in the show right um but uh as people who listen to his show regularly you know that he was talking about the time and well yeah this time period specifically yeah he has been talking about nuking chicago right but more to the point no matter when you look at alex's show they're going to say that there's about to be something yeah it's a very standard feature of his broadcast style and so i don't ascribe too much meaning to that uh no but uh it does support my thesis that nobody is going to be uh happy about this tragedy except

alex is going to be very happy that he was right he is going to be gleeful that people died i'm not sure gleeful is the right way to put it but you'll you'll see shades of not uh experiencing it like a human yeah let's say so uh the bombing happens while richard belzer is a guest on the show from law and order special victims unit i know that shouldn't make john much that makes sense to me yeah so at this point in the episode alex introduces robert uh uh uh uh richard belzer and uh as soon as i heard his introduction i knew like well it's kind of like when you put your seat belt on on a plane it's like well we're flying here we go and uh so here we go well he's been in scores of different tv shows and movies probably best known for law and order special victims unit

richard belzer oh you think i like getting him on because he's a funny guy plus you know who else shows up to the show uh with christopher walken uh before it's like here's christopher walken and then he sits down right next to him off the chart but walken just wanted to talk about uh recipes chicken recipes that is true yeah listen to that it was great it was surreal it was fun yeah christ for walking in no time for alex's bullshit no uh completely uninteresting yeah so richard belzer is on to promote a book that he's written about the jfk assassination and of course he is uh when i told you earlier in the episode i lost respect for somebody is it the bells it's the bells it's the bells because i'm a guy who uh in a past relationship of mine one of the things

that we did a lot was watch tons of law and order special victims unit yeah real high great to do john munch and odafin tutuola are the best tag team of detectives this world's ever seen probably ice tea in the bells are you kidding me amazing the best amazing i i did uh read some of his books when i was younger too like uh just i i don't know i don't remember them being good but i had a real fondness for him and i like the idea that his character john munch travels between like homicide yeah his simpsons and the x files yeah he connects all of these shows into a i like that and i always had a positive association towards Richard belzer it's like a crack dot com article come to life kind of yeah top six ways that the universes between these things are connected and it's

all john munch but you'll like him he's a likable guy and then you listen to him talk to alex and you realize uh oh and uh good to have you back on with us richard alex that's great i miss you i haven't spoken to in a long time um i must say that you're programming your documentaries your news uh shows those interviews have helped me in my research and i greatly appreciate it and i want you to always take care of yourself and stay safe my friend because we're as you say we're trading in some dangerous waters now i heard that and i was like uh oh richard belzer might be stupid uh i was like oh he's using alex's resources for his research yeah like oh no into the jfk thing oh no alec oh no info wars is a source to him man bad news

that is that is interesting if belz had never gotten the uh the uh munch job do you think he would be the conservative comedian prototype like denis miller yeah yeah yeah i don't know i don't because i still don't think he's all that conservative i mean he's pretty conservative but he's not like he doesn't i don't know he's not politically right he's a conspiracy theorist yes yes i think that he's nuts right right but i imagine it just like all those other comedic conservative guys he'd say one thing and then people would be like ah you're a bad guy and you'd be like lean into it it's really hard to predict your trigger it's really hard to predict especially given the way conservatism has changed since uh those times yeah like with uh and who

knows if his comedy career would have continued oh no i i've i've you have you seen some of the belz's work i've seen some stuff that i didn't think i didn't think something was terrible but i i honestly don't have any memory of it no no one way or another um but i think that he's just has a low standard of evidence for things which is a problem when you're writing a book about jfk's assassination i don't know and you say things like this and i think alex you are in this small brigade i hope it's getting bigger of just i know you don't make anything up it's the truth you know that's why i don't write fiction anymore alex doesn't make things up bells come on that's pretty crazy oh god so richard belzer's on here he's he's louding alex with these you're one of the

truth tellers i use your stuff for research one of the greats and i doesn't feel the same way as the people who like just kiss his ass yeah it kind of feels like he means it i think he does uh which is more troubling or he's a really good actor could be i mean he's been an actor for 30 years at this and he was acting opposite ice tea which takes talent one of it because one of my favorite malaney jokes elevates the game yeah john uh munch has got to elevate his game right of course yeah one of my favorite malaney jokes is the the listening to people explain things to ice t bit oh yeah so funny i love ice t explaining things to uh anyone else on uh law and order um so uh richard belzer was taught like he you know he has this whole career behind him of conspiracy

thinking and aliens and what have you and you know once he started talking about the banks that's when things got weird but i have an alternate explanation for everything that he's trying to cause panic about all right you're getting into the banks and all of a sudden beep beep beep beep this station is not available try again later now you know uh people call me paranoid but and then uh for the last few days my computer the cursor is going to places by itself oh my god and oh yeah your computer's been hijacked are we just having two old dudes talk right now yeah we're just having two old dudes with the like change the batteries in your mouse kasha is kasha's doing all this mean stuff to my children and i don't know

how computers work what are we doing yeah your cable went out one day probably yeah maybe the station had an outage and your mouse needs a new battery that's all that's going on here right there you go right you did it right no it's the banks no i'm paranoid it's the banks i started talking about the banks and i was still on law and order special victims unit for years look if you want to if you want to pull that shit calm it down if you want to use something not working for you old man then just say like my abacus stopped working and now we're talking about the banks doing it because you can't break an abacus no you can't you need magic so belzer's writing this book about jfk sure i want to know who he thinks did it

i'm not sure if he says the he probably does well you gotta read the book i probably didn't care you gotta read the book so he's talking about that stuff and like uh i'm like okay he uses alex as a source he thinks alex doesn't make things up these are generally speaking really bad signs yeah but i don't know what he thinks about jfk like maybe he's maybe he has a different standard right for that kind of stuff yeah um and then he said this while talking about e howard hunt and i was like oh no richard belzer stupid spotlight magazine wrote that hunt was involved in the kennedy murder he sued them they went to court the magazine won the jury believed that the hunt was involved in a conspiracy by the government to assassinate the president

that's a jury trial that's very stupid that is very stupid so first things first the spotlight is the publication with the strange editorial habit of holocaust denial run by the liberty lobby it's the same place that big jim tucker alex's chief builderberg source worked at it's a trash publication uh doesn't exist anymore as for this lawsuit richard belzer is playing fast and loose with the details spotlight had just published that e howard hunt had been in dallas on the day of the jfk assassination and as hunt said that he was in dc at the time he decided to sue them for libel the question of his involvement in the assassination was a matter that wasn't germane to the case and in no way was decided by this case at all the first lawsuit over this hunt won and he was

awarded 650 000 and damage but that verdict was overturned due to the jury getting incomplete instructions on how to give their verdict in 1983 the case was retried and in this instance the liberty lobby was able to win but it's important to consider what winning this case means or perhaps more importantly what winning this case doesn't mean being cleared of libel doesn't mean that the thing that you wrote is true which is to say that this jury trial doesn't even establish in court that hunt was in fact in dallas all that's necessary for this to be deemed not libel is that spotlight had to have reason to believe this was true at the time of publication which is what the jury decided was the case a lot of this was probably based on the liberty lobby building up a good

case that doesn't prove that hunt was in dallas but that they weren't just making it up that's not the hardest thing to show in court uh sometimes even if you're just making stuff up which is why it's important for these libel laws to be pretty lenient towards the media yeah yeah because otherwise you could nail them for things that uh like were good faith errors that got made right the fact that belzer doesn't understand this is a massive red flag and it makes me care very little about any other information that he's putting forth all other information that puts hunt in dallas that day either traces back to soviet propaganda campaigns or the alleged deathbed confession hunt made to two of his sons although it's important to point out that hunts widow and the their other children

say this was a hoax and that the sons coached hunt to say what they wanted so they could profit off of it yeah so which is a great idea on their part well what is he gonna what is he gonna be pissed i think it's evil probably but i don't know i don't i don't care to get too mixed up into it because we can't like we can't have today turn into a well here's what happened with jfk oh no don't care other issues i'm just a big fan of people finding the scam where it's coming from you know and all you're hurting is the reputation of your dad who's dead and everybody already thought he probably killed jfk anyway right so make a buck off of it i like him so i all this is to say that richard belzer thinks that that court case determined that e howard hunt was

involved in the assassination which means to me that he doesn't understand what he's talking about and he wrote a book about this that's bad i do like the idea that in in like in civil court they proved that he killed jfk of course but it's double jeopardy we can't do we can't get him on criminal charges charges we already sued him all of this starts to make sense once belzer starts talking about the things that inspired him down the road in life that he's on oh no you know you and i both were inspired by this book oh they're calling conspiracy yeah i read that i look at how i look at my copy it costs a dollar that's how old i am um no that that that really blew my hey bro let's take a couple segments of calls straight ahead they're all over the map

but i promise i'm gonna get to brendon and and richard and nick and uh david so he's uh inspired by none dare call it conspiracy gary allens nonsensical anti-communist screed that uh is full of bullshit i like to imagine he and david simon having arguments over none dare calling conspiracy that would be amazing you're fucking stupid bals all right okay we're just so good you're just you're just munch you're through and through you're munch man landsman won't play him for real so i gotta stick with you damn it uh yeah i i find that to be a pretty problematic uh inspiration source for them to share i heard that i was like get the fuck out of you so the bombing like i said it happens at 249 and alex is into overdrive because belzer's there and they're having a great

time so it's like let's do a fourth hour sure so they plan to do like half an hour or so of it but when the bombing happens and alex catches wind of it they continue it for the full hour right he doesn't know about it for about 20 something minutes or so okay he doesn't get the news immediately but then at about 308 ish somewhere in that range he comes on air and this is his immediate reaction oh god no well it's terrible news but i hope it's a gas main or something not care related explosion at the boston marathon we'll punch up some feeds of this we're in overdrive we're live it's 208 central and two explosions at boston marathon excuse me when i said 308 i'm at eastern time excuse me so just boston just to be clear yeah and people hurt in large explosions oh man

oh my gosh and that old uh i'm blaming on iran blaming on the patriot group or is it going to be a veteran or something i mean this is just so horrible his first instinct not even knowing any information about it thinking that maybe it's a gas leak explosion or something like that because he doesn't have all the information he doesn't know anything his first instinct is to guess who they'll blame and the people that he thinks they're going to blame are iran the patriots or a veteran right two of those are based on his big narratives yep they're going to bomb something and blame it on us this explosion happens his first instinct is i wonder if they'll blame it on us that's not good that's you know when i think of a massive tragedy like that my first

thought is sympathy for the patriots who might get blamed for right that's my first thought i don't think it's a callous i don't think oh this is a tragedy and i hope the victims are okay my first thought is the real victims are white people that's the truth you know they're going to demonize us they're going to demonize us white people with guns because uh you know anyways people probably died i don't know it's probably a false flag whatever you don't know anything nothing about what's happening they haven't watched the news they haven't gotten anything posted on drudge reports so they don't have any access to news because they can't get it from anywhere else and so the him and belzer start talking about the dynamics right that are going on thanks belz

and one thing that is really important to point out is that it very quickly just becomes assumed that veterans and right wingers are going to be blamed for this you mentioned before about what we have to keep our eye on and it's a marathon story is the very first official reaction yeah guys save these recordings save all the recordings record everywhere what i'm telling the crew record everywhere yeah and yeah how they're gonna how are they gonna paint this i'm more uh i'm working with veterans now i i i convinced the the show i'm on law and order special victims unit to do an episode about a vet who had uh ptsd and they and they tried to disparage him on the stand because he was having flashbacks and stuff but he gathered

himself and helped us convict someone so because i wanted to make the vet the hero that's a great story and i'm happy for him but the only reason to pull this story out and tell it now is to reinforce the idea that everyone wants to make veterans look bad yeah which is in service of alex's narratives that he's been building up for weeks and months of they're going to blame patriots and veterans right blah blah blah which is not good because they don't know that they don't have any information that anyone is pointing the finger at anybody right right right um so they are constructing this that's important to point out and it's important to point out how active richard belzer is i know because he is not a bystander no i here's what i think right now

listening to belz i i think he is incredibly stupid uh which i made me think of a the line that buddy glass has from uh franny and zoe written by salinger it was one of his books just that like we we overburdened you with an education a good actor travels light you know what i'm saying interesting a good actor doesn't have much going on in the education front but i think he's probably like pretty smart but just dumb yeah you know like exactly it's it's a mess it's not how well you function it's that there's not much going on in the in the storage space you know what i mean i remember that i had listened to this long time ago this episode and i thought it was surreal that belzer was on when this happened yeah and for the longest time i've just had this idea in my mind

that he's just riding sidecar while alex does this fucked up stuff but he is a like i said an active participant yeah he is he is helping alex thread this needle right but you know i mean he's a team player he's an actor right he's in the scene he's not really he's not really yeah he's i don't know probably so alex is still kind of hoping that it's an accident uh in the immediate uh uh just learning about this uh stage and uh belzer pushes back on that and it goes multiple people injured at least a dozen injured uh after explosion man well i hope this isn't a false flag or a real terror attack richard no i i i hope not but i and i you know they're gonna use it even if it's innocent they will use it because everyone's focused on it now and people can be controlled

when they're all on the same emotion at the same time so now it doesn't even matter who they blame now obviously they're going to blame the patriots and the veterans naturally even if they blame al-qaeda or iran it doesn't matter that's really still an attack on the veterans of the patriots this is the narrative that they're constructing right you can see it very clearly uh how much of it is like knowing what they plan to do in the next few days and how much of it is just like this is what we do yeah i can't tell you but it's what they're doing for sure yeah i do i do wonder what the bells would be doing if he was at home by himself watching this on tv or because he wouldn't be creating a narrative of how that's maybe in his head though it could be absolutely but there's

also like that i imagine reacting to something in real time with the toxic presence of alex jones already influencing you and he's someone who you kind of admire exactly so your your first instinct is going to be or i imagine it's going to be like i'm going to follow the leader on this and the leader is saying this is a false flag and so you're like yeah it's a false flag let's talk this yeah no no i mean he will within minutes right right when that clip happens right he's not he's right i still and how much of that is disingenuous is unclear but he's saying i hope this was an accident right because he doesn't have the information of course he doesn't have any information he's not really interested in it either well i think someone forced him because they go to

and they start listening to it and alex takes offense at something that they report reality let's just fade up the communist news channel more like the corporate news channel nice let's fade this up there's a whole process underway right now but the reality of the situation is it is almost impossible to protect an event especially one that is over a protracted space as a marathon and you know i i hate to say it but these are the times that we live in richard that's what they're saying on singing in uh so they're already basically saying it's a terror attack oh my goodness we're helpless is what he's saying that's so they can control us more so alex takes sort of umbridge at the idea that they're saying that this was an attack already

yeah and that's because they have information that he doesn't have right because he hasn't kept up with the story as it's evolved over the half hour that information is coming in he's been busy talking to the bells right yeah but none dare call it conspiracy a bunch of bullshit and 45 seconds later he goes back to cnn and it's sort of clear why they're reporting it as an attack we just saw a video by the way for radio listeners it's uh it's cnn showing cell phone footage already uploaded showing what looks like a pretty good size explosion and smoke and so then they're saying at least a dozen oh this looks really bad looks like somebody blew up bleachers oh no so this is information that cnn already had that alex wasn't aware of so when he went to them in

the first place and he's like oh they're already calling it an attack as if they didn't have some reason to be looking at the situation that way that's only based on his own ignorance within a minute he's like oh that's why he needs to calm down that's really the the bottom line when you look at a lot of this stuff when there's crisis reporting on alex's show he needs to you do not want to deal with crisis reporting on alex you need to check out alex you're not doing a good job yeah i mean it's he's he's uniquely in a position to fuck up crisis report crisis reporting in a way that you know when you're so unfiltered as as a job i guess like his entire job is to react with with say you know like with certainty that that level of crisis reporting then is almost

impossible for him it is because he can't wait he can't wait for a second to the he cannot say like oh we're gonna wait until more information's out he has to react he has to come back with his take it's an invalidation of the brand exactly to wait for information yeah because you're supposed to know tomorrow's news today right and you've been studying the globalists for 20 years and know their game plan exactly so you need to have like the answers and that's a real problem like it's an essential problem um so what they do for most of the rest of the show um on the 15th here is sort of try and guess stuff great great that's good news yeah and so they're kind of uh guessing around who did it uh in this next clip who's the main uh motive here well who stands to gain

when the government and the shadow government has been gearing up to roll out and be our savior and and and they stand to gain from it it's obvious I mean the who's the number one suspect in this Richard Belzer as a journalist Richard Belzer you know as a crime writer in the past whoever the suspect is the government will appropriate it and create a narrative and and 90 of it probably I'm just guessing will be a fabrication to shape our thought guessing that's great military and safety and they're licking their chops even if this was a gas main they still got to study how we reacted and that's what they're you know that's why even you know events that they don't do they study yeah I mean it could have been a truck running over a gas main I mean yeah all the time

I see in the paper a gas main blows up kills 30 people it's not even in the news it's like back of the paper you know barely a blurb but but I guarantee you five people die from this all you'll hear is pel mail pavlovian be scared of the random man be scared only we can save you I mean just the response shows how fake all this is yeah you know I'm gonna predict that the hook for them is going to be these are the times we live in you know and everyone will just surrender and let them you know uh how much do you want to bet if you tune into all five networks they're gonna be saying these are the times we live in so they've already heard this guy on CNN say that once and they've decided that this is going to be the catchphrase I'm really proud of them for moving past grief

so quickly so fast I'm really proud of them for just making it way past that stage of uh yeah good work guys I mean Alex did say this looks bad yeah yeah that was good yeah that's a good eulogy I like that holy shit that's fucking sociopathic it really is and the presumption you can hear already is that this is fake yeah within minutes you don't even need to you're in overdrive you don't even need to be on air no like if shit like this happened for you and I while we were fucking recording we would just stop absolutely there'll be no episode like maybe we'll do this some other time yeah I can't handle this right now well we actually probably wouldn't know because we're not checking in with the news as we uh go and we don't have interns to run paper to throw

shit at us yeah yeah and interesting Celine might might give us the the head dot though yeah yeah two dead in a well oh no no Celine uh interestingly though too what you're saying is like he doesn't have to be on air but Alex recognizes the lack of information that he can exploit here so he what he does in the middle of the fourth hour he announces we're going six hours today yeah yeah yeah so what he does is he takes off uh a little while and lets jacari Jackson and david night host well he tries to and for hours yeah so they do the next like three hours of like taking calls and stuff like that okay and we're not going to listen to any of that but we will listen to a little bit of them but not from from this yeah because I I kind of I can't

find that audio and I feel like whatever they might have come up with if it's something that sticks Alex will talk about the next day oh of course so we will get all of that um that coverage as it were but he expands uh his show extremely yeah in a way that is suspicious right right it's very fast him doing it it's like okay um you know a couple minutes into the fourth hour of your show this tragedy happened yeah and with like by halfway through the hour you're like we're going six hours today right it's it's a very fast decision and I think it's based on the lack of information well the ability to have the concrete be wet make your mark in right which is why it is which is why he has to be like when he gets off air he has to be like

fuck yeah we got this one uh like it's on the line yeah exactly the fish is on the line absolutely I definitely feel like his actions indicate yeah a certain amount of that oh he's gleeful whenever he's off the air I bet um so the only like I said the only real substance that's going on between belzer and alex for a good stretch is that they're just sort of guessing who's going to be blamed for it which isn't I don't feel is very productive but but with this muslim extremists they're going to pin it on or will they pin it on the new enemy the patriots go ahead well they have a menu of what will best serve their needs I I'm with you I pray that they it's not like al-qaeda okay what menu I don't know it's it's uh not specific what needs I don't know

so I uh you know they talk about demonizing of the patriots that's happened in the last forever yeah sure sure um the new enemy is the patriots right dad we have it's it's 2013 we've never had to worry about the patriots before you know well I mean uh some NFC teams have did I get the league right no I'm not sure well earlier in the playoffs fuck you no at the end the afc plays the NFC earlier in the playoffs it's just the afc NFS oh they're in the air in the afc it's not until the super bowl that the afc in the NFC plays I don't know my conference it's okay it's okay dad it's okay all right we're not even gonna get into the american league versus the national no we won't so there's how do you feel about the designated

bother I don't love it so there's a demonization of these truth tellers patriots all this stuff that's going on um and richard belzer says something that I think is fucking interesting considering what show he's on you know Machiavelli um he said that uh what you do is you take a person's best quality and attack that you know not like make up something you know it's so it's like that's what I'm not I wasn't a big fan of carry but you know he he did get shot he he was you know he had a uniform on it's more than bush did and was in combat but they made him into a wimp you know it's like you can make people's brains do tricks and this thing is well exactly like look at this bad person they help children so uh it's real funny that he's complaining about the

swift boating of John Kerry considering alex's best friend and future washington dc bureau chief jerome coursey was that guy who did it very deeply involved in that like just know where you are know what the people you're talking to have done and are involved in yeah he like even in 2013 courses in associate of alex's he's working for world net daily at the time but he's been on the show a bunch and the two of them like like he's considered an expert in shit that's so funny don't if you're gonna complain about the demonization and swift boating of John Kerry don't show up and uh be like hey you never make things up to the guy who promoted right right right those very things yeah yeah get the fuck out of here that's me going on tv with dick chaney and being like this

guy i love him everything he's ever done is incredible uh and i just want to talk about something completely unrelated in the lead up to the iraq war there were a lot of lies thrown around and people made up information yeah yeah it's it's similar to that yeah so they've been building up this like insinuation of like who's gonna be to blame and a lot of it has been steering towards them being like well it's probably going to be especially alex steering towards it's going to be the new enemy of the patriots there's a whole lot of that then in mid sentence alex realizes one way that he can best hang his hat on that we got a bunch of people sick today so our crew is limited but we're going to do this great job with the crew by the way

you guys are all entering oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh i just realized it's patriots day in massachusetts in april 19th is the national one oh my gosh that that that bumps up the death con that they're going to blame it on a patriot group anyways i'm sorry i'm just brainstorming here on there very astute he thinks it's astute bells oh good work bells right oh boy i think that that clip fully displays how alex is not spitballing on this episode he's actively trying to come up with any piece of information he can find to make it look like this fits the demonize the patriots narrative it's crystal clear how excited he is about this realization that it's patriots day in massachusetts patriots day was not celebrated nationally on april 19th it used to be on april

19th but since 1897 it's always been the third monday of april and the boston marathon has always been on that day they're basically the same thing uh in boston especially more importantly though there are a lot of other things that could have been attacked if this were somehow patriot related you know there's a lot of reenactments there's the standing tradition of the red socks playing at home right on that day i think it's even like fenway's opening day every year or most years this is a tenuous connection but it's one that feels super important to alex because he's engaging in a behavior known as motivated reasoning alex has a predetermined conclusion that he needs uh to arrive at namely that the globalists are blaming this bombing on the patriots

he needs to get there because for months he's been warning of a big attack coming meant to demonize the patriots and this is a huge attack he knows he's probably not going to get a better chance to validate his narratives and rhetoric and in the process make a bunch of money so he knows he needs to get work get to work at crafting this and make it make sense the behavior you see from alex is exactly what you would expect from someone who is not interested in reality but interested solely in manufacturing a perception it's been consistent since the news of the bombing broke out it's all been an attack on media coverage but it's not an attack that's based on substance it's based on instinct you have alex shitting on cnn for assuming it was an

attack when they only did that because video they knew about that alex didn't know about he doesn't have any information about the attack itself nor the media coverage of it and yet here he sits with god damn john munch rambling about who they think the globalists are going to blame alex doesn't want to guess who they're going to blame he wants to establish first of all that someone is going to be erroneously blamed and secondly that no matter who actually gets blamed this is all about getting at his dumb fuck gun buddies i didn't know exactly what i would find looking at this episode and on one level none of this is surprising but on another level like i mentioned at the beginning this is making me a lot more angry than i expected as alex is grasping at straws to find a way to

make this tragedy about himself and his show's worldview people are fucking bleeding on the street other people are putting themselves in danger to help their fellow citizens people are scared some people don't know where their loved ones are this is a disgrace and it's very transparent and it's willful and then it's a front it's an affront to the pain that the people of boston were going through at the exact time he's on air spreading this bullshit this is a perfect encapsulation of alex jones brainstorming ways to spin a tragedy into being profitable for him while the victims of the tragedy bleed fuck him this is nonsense yeah absolutely um there will be more rants throughout this i really really disrespect this like it's it's such a next level

version of what he does right like the realities that are other people are existing in and the way he's behaving are just so out of step yeah and uh it's awful it's sometimes uh one of the ways uh i i view it like the one of the viewpoints that i take to try and understand this kind of i i don't know idiocy and and lack of empathy as something other than just this guy's a psychopath is the size of the states the size of the united states is such that if you are living in fucking belgium and a bombing happens in paris that's a different country and so you don't treat it as though this is an attack on belgians also right do you know what i'm saying in the same way belgium is a lot closer to france than texas is to boston so functionally i i do think that alex

believes he lives in a different country obviously well and he lives in texas which is in his mind the only country and it's a state or it's a country itself yeah exactly exactly but but that is one way of trying to like understand this kind of behavior is because if you're you know just like if cnn is reporting on a terrorist attack in uh senegal i think if belgians were reporting this way about a bombing in france i would still think it was pretty it is pretty gross i'm trying to i'm trying to talk about i understand ways to ways to view it without just being like all these people are fucking psychopaths but i don't know i don't know if you can i try i try i want to be a human so alex needs more information as he's going along and there isn't much being reported because a lot

of information is unknown um but one way he decides he can get around that is put out a call for people to call in and i mean what he's doing is just asking for hearsay folks here is the uh here is the toll free number 800 259 9231 uh what have you noticed watching the news that's just as important uh is if you're even in mass but particularly if you're in boston i know we have lists everywhere 800 259 9231 please only call if you have a tidbit of key intel uh or uh if you were there or have family that was there 800 259 9231 key intel what are you gonna get from your callers that is key intel i really love the idea that you can just crowdsource narratives to your conspiracy theories well i mean it's that's so it's what he does that's such fucking

transparent bullshit of just like well i don't have time right now to come up with a complete story but you guys give me a bunch of ideas and i'll cherry pick some to put into the narrative later it's i don't it's like a contest almost i don't trust my employees to read the news and synthesize it yeah so i need you to call in if you saw the news right right and give me some give me some wild shit and what maybe it'll make it in yeah such a just like giving up of his responsibilities it's crazy yeah that's disastrous so alex gets pretty severe here and he makes an an if then statement that i want to really nail down and talk about because i think that this is kind of um it really gets to the heart of what he's trying to do on this april 15th episode

in the again within 20 minutes half an hour after news broke of this and again this could be the start of a whole bunch of this stuff okay because they're saying the the libertarians will start bombing everything and then if it starts happening and they blame it on us if it comes out and they say it's a libertarian group folks we are in deep crap it means they're going ahead with it if they say it's iran there is no way iran would pull something like this no they wouldn't knowing that they're going to get clobbered uh can you leave the iran part out of this for now because it's not important yeah right here we have perhaps the most dangerous way possible for alex to frame a conditional statement if they blame libertarian patriot groups

that means we're in big trouble and they're moving ahead with it alex is injecting a classic if then statement and expecting his audience to accept this assessment as reality so if you see blaming of patriot libertarian groups then it necessarily follows that the globalists are making their move and there will be bombings all over the place and the march to the fema camps is imminent this is a pure logical statement that he's putting forth the problem with this is when you frame an argument this way you need to be pretty careful about how you present what the media is saying with this if then argument in place every time you argue that the media is blaming libertarian patriot groups you're actually arguing that the globalists are about to send

ron paul and all your gun weirdo buddies to a camp it just necessarily follows from the if then argument you can't get around that based on how words work yeah yeah yeah one of the essential elements of formal logic is that truth cannot lead to falsity if you have a valid argument and the premises are true then your conclusion cannot be false the actual form of the argument that alex is making is this premise one if the media blames the patriots then they're moving ahead with it premise two the media is blaming the patriots conclusion therefore they are moving ahead with it in this clip we're seeing the first premise and the conclusion introduced which is why this is super dangerous alex still needs premise two in order to have this construction of an argument

work and if we see him manipulating things in order to establish premise two that the media is blaming the patriots then what you're really seeing is him lying and manipulating to justify the conclusion that they're moving ahead with it and there's going to be bombings everywhere this is pretty basic deception stuff and alex does variations of this kind of thing all the time i just felt like pointing this one out was particularly important because it's very glaring and when we get through some more of this stuff you'll see why this is very important he needs premise two to be established or else this doesn't work right he no longer has a good argument if the media isn't blaming the patriots right right he needs that to be there in order to

justify facilitate and make his arguments look um as extreme as he's making them right so i would like to i would like to see alex like have to draw it up himself sure how logic works i would love to i would love to see alex one try and fumble through what you just explained very quickly and shortly but that even that's like really simple stuff yeah exactly that's just that's why i want alex to do it it is the argument he's making now and it's important to like look at it very like on a sort of crystal basis absolutely because we'll see we'll see i assure you so in this next clip alex says that cnn is uh starting to talk about right wingers and then he says that he hopes he doesn't get blamed which is code for man i hope they blame

me yeah guys rewind cnn right now rewind it to that the minute they're now saying they're now saying were their right wing or patriot meetings in the area uh oh oh man and that's singing in doing that oh wolf blitzer we are in trouble oh man i bet they even dragged me into it with my 1776 line i hope they dragged me into it with my famous 1776 line did he a man i am amazed at how quickly these guys move on from grief to laugh at laughing like that that's great and like real personal concerns about hypothetical realities where they get blamed for this it's a very gross yeah that's you can see even already he's working on premise too right that is the thing that when you deconstruct and break down his argument that he's trying to make

it makes it so much clearer these actions are in service of propping up the flimsy part of his argument in order to make it all look real yeah and it's it's the cnn's asking questions about where their patriot meetings in the area and this pisses off belzer this thing is just you know it's making me ill because they're going to use it no matter who did it exactly and it can blame it on muslims libertarians liberals who knows but how dare how dare wolf blitzer pose a question like that how dare he that's directly from for detrick i guarantee you to say was there any patriot groups or why couldn't you say are there were any martians there were any aliens there that's a tell though that's a tell oh come on man i gotta get oh my god this

this is red alert let's see what drudge is saying i'm gonna go back to the caller yeah let's go to drudge so those last two clips are all about wolf blitzer asking this question were there any patriot meetings as if to imply that he's asking about are there right wing groups that we're meeting yeah you want to hear the actual clip share notice earlier in the day on mat any special patriot's day events going on any anything pointing to a special day in massachusetts well it's always a special day patriot's day everyone gets the day off from work for the most part and it's two huge events in boston it's not only the boston marathon where 25 000 plus people run but i believe it's always opening day of fennway they also have that going on so it's a it's a

traffic night merry ways but it's probably one of the busiest days in downtown boston so it is a holiday and people a lot of people don't go to work and there's no is there no school today either this is about the holiday this has this question are there any patriots day things going on yeah it's patriots day yeah there's a lot of traffic i think that means that the right wing is doing it what what huh you see how this is already the crafting of perceptions based on hinging on this word patriots day he's like oh they're blaming us because he said the word this is thin fucking shit and it's immediate it's immediate because he needs this and he needs this in order to make the argument work and he can't understand words well let me know it's it's really easy for him to

use this one because he doesn't he's not he's not burdened with that ability to understand words i think that this is one of the cases of which is why i do think he's innocent according to his own belief in innocence meaning you don't know anything i think this is one of the cases of evil being masked by stupidity i think that he knows exactly what he's doing yeah i know um so in this next clip he wants to spread more uh suspicion around the idea that the bombing was planned by some nefarious globalists sure um and uh here's how he chooses to do that and notice the bombing happened right where they've got the united nations display with a bunch of flags i'm telling you richard this is looking worse by the minute guys keep googling find out if anybody's taking

responsibility for this yet keep on google guys keep googling so one thing that's important to remember jordan is that marathon running is a big sport and that the boston marathon is one of the biggest annual marathons in the world some one-off events have been way bigger in terms of number of runners but the boston marathon is huge and it has it's been run since 1897 making it the world's oldest annual marathon like the marathon got brought back to the olympics in 1896 the next year after that the boston marathon started it's been going ever since it's a huge deal in the international running community so people come in from all over to take part in this event the second winner ever in 1898 was a canadian in 1907 a canadian member of the first nations named thomas

longboat won the race it has a very rich history it was mostly americans and canadians until the late 40s and then you see the list come to life with winners from south korea japan guatemala sweden finland uh and then in recent years a lot of canyons only one american won the marathon between 1946 and 1967 the only american to win in that time span was named john kelly which happened to be the same name and same spelling as the last american to win it in 1945 and those dudes weren't related that's weird the race has a crazy history that is full of weird trivia all over the place that's fun little trivia they let women start running in 1972 but guess what jordan the women had been running it unsanctioned for six years at that point yeah i read i heard that dollop yeah

oh i don't remember that yeah yeah they did a they did a whole dollop about six years yeah about the badass woman who forced them and then the scottish guy who single-handedly tried to keep women out of the marathon very fun there's a bad aspect but also some good ones yeah there's a wheelchair division and record holders everything like it's it's awesome when you see that line of flags at the finish line of the boston marathon that's not a un station or anything like that it's a recognition that this thing that could just be people running a long way is so much more than that it's a celebration that crosses cultures and communities and brings people together according to the boston marathons official facebook page quote each year about a hundred nations are represented

by runners in the boston marathon and their flags are displayed along the home stretch of boilstone street it has nothing to do with the un rather it's to honor and celebrate each of the runners that takes part in the race alex is taking a physical representation of cross-cultural celebration and togetherness and he's using it to create suspicion around the bombing by just making shit up to attach it to one of his big bad guys the un this is shameful shit and really if you get down to the bottom of it all alex is saying is that he views any kind of multi multicultural unity as a un plot and i think there's a name for that you know it is almost like he is taking uh let's call it the strength of the boston marathon which is a cross-cultural event celebrating how regardless

of where you're from uh we are all people and we all care and we are all humans and we are all empathetic and he's turning that into something evil so you could say he's swift but yeah which is not the same on the same episode yeah 15 minutes earlier yeah so um alex has another revelation that uh he realizes he can use to make this look like they're blaming patriots no it's just the income tax day i think oh watch him blame an anti-income tax guy and notice they never actually bomb a real target it's always the general public so they can scare us and then act like anti-government groups would actually just target the general public go ahead what that's nonsense also they took him like half an hour to realize its tax day yeah like that seems

weird yeah he he has a he's got an accountant who takes care of that for him he doesn't know when tax day probably so like i like i mentioned earlier in this episode he talked about how they're gonna bomb and blame us earlier in the episode so he looks like a prophet of course and the whole crew is freaking out cuz alex said the thing he says every day and coincidentally a tragedy struck and i think people are beginning to understand the crew's completely freaked out because i walked in here before the day before sandy hook and i said something bad's about to happen and i only do this and i and today i said i'm physically sick and they're getting ready to i said on air they're getting ready to blow stuff up and and i said they're gonna do their own shot

heard around the world to blame it on us so like lexington and concord and this is the day it happened at that place yeah i mean my god i mean and there's because listen i said bin laden the they'll say bin laden bloop the world's red center and they're gonna blame it on him and he'll take the blame and i said that july 25th i don't know how i know this stuff it's like probably because you know little i mean 100 numbers start reading horoscopes or something no i mean it's not that folks i get their script okay so he's a psychic he's predicted everything and great how long how long after all the news broke is this this is towards the end of the fourth hour we were getting towards the end of the actual show right right right because the thing i i hear is a genuine surprise at

himself for being correct which suggests to me he doesn't even think about it when he says things are going to blow it's autopilot part of it's just part of it and then one of his crew members like they're all going they're all freaking out because he did it and they have to tell him remember you predicted this and he's like holy shit i did yeah oh my god that's so cool yeah and it's selective memory on the part of his uh his crew that obviously just forget about it every time he says this uh this sort of shit and then this one time it sticks out in your mind right if you make like it's the same thing they do with the financial collapse shit all the time like if you say every day the financial collapse is coming right then when the 2008 2009 crisis hits you

look like a genius yeah and tell you review the tapes and see you saying it all the time single fucking day yeah and so i just you know if you want to play this game you can play it alex but it's very transparent oh yeah so alex finds out a piece of information during the break from rob do and it's that his brother uh was there at the marathon oh god no so we're gonna have to well there there's a bit of a misunderstanding between the two of them and alex really over inflates this news yeah uh your wife's uh your wife's brother your your wife's brother tell tell people what happened to him today he was in command well i would like to know you told me well he was in command of the military there because i saw a true but tell me what you told me out there i'll tell

you what what he was running the race today yeah running the race yeah yeah okay oh running oh running it i misunderstood because i saw army there no he was running in the race in the race okay god and they had army there he went with army uh and in a bus and and they were running well yeah i guess i could see how you misconstrued well i mean you just told me this one right during the break you're like right because i knew he ran in stuff i knew he was in intelligence domestically so then i just got it wrong go away so that's a pretty fucking stupid misunderstanding for alex to make that's one more example of alex not understanding words sure and and and also alex probably sitting there thinking i should have not had rob on a mic when i dropped this information

i think i could have spun this a little better could have done better yeah because i wanted to say that he was in charge of the army there by willingly and very intentionally misunderstanding running a race yeah he's running the race yeah he's not running the race he's running the race so the story here is that rob do's brother was there with the army and he was running the race and uh at some point along the route someone came to him and said that he was showing signs of dehydration and he was made to leave the race oh so that means that the army and alex reports him as being a high-level military intelligence guy they kept him away from the bombing in order to that's the male that they knew what was going on and they didn't want any of their people to get

hurt that's the narrative that's being put forth of course now first of all for someone who does a show like alex does he really should be worried about revealing that his news director's dad is in the fbi and his brother-in-law is high-level military intelligence that's the sort of thing that really makes conspiracy theorists suspicious ah that's how he knows their language but man you can only say na na na na they're the good guys in the spy grid deep state so you can only say that so many times before people decide you work for the man yeah yeah well he probably does personally i don't really believe these credentials or at least i think they're intentionally exaggerated in order to create the appearance of proximity to legitimate information alex does this all the

time it's why he believes steve pacenics fake resume it's why he calls christopher moncton lord and that's why he pretends that leo zigami isn't a raving lunatic it's all just what works best for the brand and the brand is deception i'm inclined to believe considering that rob and alex offer no evidence to the contrary that rob's brother-in-law did legitimately have signs of dehydration allow me to lay out my case marathons are long that's one running is hard well he's in the army though he's in good shape yeah april 15th 2013 was a fairly cool day in boston with temperatures around 48 degrees which under normal conditions would lead you to think that a person in good shape would have no real trouble finishing a marathon generally the finish rate is pretty high

for the boston marathon with about 95 percent of entrance completing the marathon in 2018 however if you have over 20 000 entrants that's at least 1000 people who for one reason or another don't pass the finish line and a pretty good number of those people you kind of have to assume didn't finish because of medical reasons it seems unlikely that they would train go through the steps to qualify plan ahead register and show up for the marathon only to realize halfway through that a meeting they'd forgotten about or some other you know it's not like that would be that would be hilarious you run in the marathon you get a call and you're like guys i gotta go to work oh i got called in yeah it's something that takes a lot to get to the starting line yeah so most people

like that's why 95 percent finish yeah yeah yeah you're not having anybody who's like on a lark i'm just gonna go run the marathon today i woke up a little bit late but i can still make it there on time yeah it's not super uncommon for people to be unable to finish the race and three people have actually died running it before yeah one thing that makes the dehydration or exhaustion exhaustion story a lot more possible to me is that it's pretty common for enlisted persons to sign up for these marathons but run them in honor of their fallen brothers in the service they do this symbolically by participating in what's known as the tough rock which involves them doing the marathon in full uniform and carrying a military backpack that weighs about 40

pounds that added variable could make it far more likely that someone would have a difficult time finishing the full marathon now i have no idea if rob do's brother-in-law was doing the tough rock but there's definitely there definitely were enlisted persons doing that in the 2013 boston marathon it's literally impossible for me to figure out if any any concrete information exists on this since the guy you know it would be rob do's sister's husband or whatever so do isn't even his last name yeah i have no way of tracking down any information and they don't offer any because of course they don't all this is to say that there's possible explanations for him being advised to leave the marathon that have nothing to do with conspiratorial pair uh paranoia right

well i looked into a little bit and i believe his name was private first class illuminati so that does it that's a dead ringer that does that does support that admiral kevin dish the best thing i can say for this is that do's information doesn't prove anything the worst i can say is that do is allowing alex to use his brother-in-law's medical situation to be used as part of his attempt to hijack and capitalize on the deaths of three people in injuries of 250 plus others which i find to be an immoral act yeah he should have uh he should have gone from do to don't on this one i agree so that's my perspective on this let's see if richard belzer has a different take yeah it's very and uh now that's stay there stay there richard belzer what's your take on that well i'm

i'm rarely speechless but the fact that they pulled him out means now we know it is a domestic operation now we know if he wasn't really sick did he say he was sick that's what i don't they're gonna tell him to shut up call him right now call him right now call him right now all right before i shouldn't even this is breaking right now i am living in they're on people that's the yeah they save their own people every time oh my god there you go man so great or counter theory he was dehydrated okay well you could believe what he has to say uh because he said it right and he uh you know what you're wrong that's not even a possibility it obviously is them saving their own people god that that was too easy too yeah that's so transparent and easy god i don't even care if

do even has a brother in law they were going to do that anyway they were someone was gonna have some it's or it would be a caller yeah yeah absolutely you'd be able to build off some sort of insinuation i'll tell you what the department of transportation is on the road that's for damn sure so that's the end of the 15th uh alex has overdrive fourth hour and uh like like i said jacari jackson and david night uh come in and do more uh in order to keep all eyes on speculation yeah yeah more or less yeah and so we jump back keep the fires stoked at least yeah yeah and so we jump back in here on the 16th and we see that alex has decided to make this a regular thing it is 11 a.m central standard time on the 16th day of april 2013 i am your host alex jones

and we are going to be live here uh for the next 10 11 hours or so um and again in the future we're going to have even more reporters and crew we'll be able to easily go 24 hours straight or longer nope still not true in 2019 man he has been on that tip for a long time he definitely has but what you see here is uh you know just striking while the iron's hot yeah that uh kind of mentality is like well here's the thing we can make a lot of fucking hay out of this there's not a lot of information coming out there's this is ripe for speculation people are in the right headspace to hear conjecture in bullshit in order to satisfy their need for something um and i'm gonna fill it yeah if there's a vacuum some they everybody wants something there so nature abhors a vacuum and i

abhore alex yeah um so there's not a ton more information that's come out since the 15th to the 16th there are there is information that's come out about the bomb being a pressure cooker those little bits of information uh have come out but in terms of like a lot of concrete reporting i went back through and was looking through like articles posted in that day and a lot of it is just the very standard a little bit of information uh that they had yeah the who and the why were not yet available a lot of that is only speculation yeah put out by everybody the internet yeah there's a lot of failings of the media in the course of this it's not just alex no alex is way worse than everybody else yeah well he's the one who's trying to fail but none of this is to let

people off the hook at other places um and i have some critic critiques of them that may come up in a later show uh but for today it really uh you know we're looking squarely at what alex did um and it's not good so uh alex talks about how you know i've been saying there's gonna be a false flag forever great and then he complains about obama's speech sure bottom line you know that i've been saying there'll be false flag ied improvised explosive device attacks all over the country what because i know the scripting sure you said the globalist always train police and others for the narrative they're going to carry out whether it's staged events provocateur or organic which are very rare uh these terror attacks are rare period uh the system will use this to roll out

tsa in the malls on the streets of america uh and basically a uh rationing up of the overall martial law type atmosphere before i went live obama spoke and we're going to find that clip it was about 30 minutes ago now i watched his press conference it's obama's new press conferences up at the white house dot gov was wearing a really ugly tie black and white speckled tie people that want to be able to find which one of the fear mongering press conferences it was i looked at that uh tie it wasn't so bad oh yeah wasn't wasn't uh it wasn't the first thing that came to mind was it a fear mongering tie though i don't think so what what does a fear mongering tie look like a lot of that speech was about the people who helped each other like that speech was about the runners

going to give blood this that speech was about people taking off their clothes to make tourniquets for other people like that's not fear mongering right it's almost alex's fear mongering it's almost like he took one of obama's strengths uh empathy and oratory and attacked it and tried to make him look weak for it almost as if he's swift boat of man it is it is kind of strange how he does that weird so uh alex gets down to his uh like i always love it when he gets into like real why i hate the bell so much now i that's just so stupid it ruined it for me i know but that's just so now i'm now i want to yell at richard bellzer i can't i can't watch sq anymore i know i didn't wake up today wanting to yell at the bells rock the bells i love it when it bells i love it when

alex gets into metrics yeah like when he talks in specific numbers and so he gives his percent chance that this was real 98 percent and i'd say there's maybe one chance out of a hundred conservatively that this is some lone nut one chance out of a hundred i was really close that this is real conservatively what's what's your wild dude what are you talking to liberally yeah four so by this point alex has had time to gather uh resources and figure out a way to have defense for premise two yeah that they're blaming the patriots they're coming for you and here's how he sets out on that road that he will be going on throughout the 16th now within an hour uh and i'm not exaggerating i have 10 different clips we're not going to play them all i'm sure

you've seen them we'll play some where they said you know the number one suspect is right wingers the white house has come out and said that axle rod obama thinks bombings could be related to tax day so this is such a classic alex move he has tons of evidence that concretely makes his point but he's sure you've seen it already so he's not going to bore you with proving his case this to a right thinking person should be a strong indication that he does not have a ton of evidence based on what he's shown so far i think he's manufacturing a perception he's clearly distorted wolf blitzer's words in the closing segment of the april 15th episode so that's one instance of something he thinks is proof of blaming right wingers for the bombing that's complete bullshit right and now his second

example is a comment by david axle rod that obama thinks the bombings could be related to tax day axle rod's comments were regarding the fact that obama didn't immediately call this an act of terrorism explaining that quote the word is taken on a different meaning since 9 11 he went on to say quote you'll use those words and it means something very specific in people's minds and i'm sure what he was what was going through the mind of the president is well we don't really know who did this it was tax day someone could who uh who was pro you know you just don't know and i think that his attitude is let's not put any in inference into this let's just make clear we're going to get the people responsible right and that is why everybody hated him on the right uh-huh it's what you're

urging restraint no let's start a new war with iraq ra it's really tough to parse exactly what axle rod was saying there a possible reading of it is that axle rod thinks that obama might think that tax day had something to do with the bombing but another reading of it is that axle rod himself just thinks that another reading is that uh the fact that it was tax day was just an example axle rod came up with to express that there are a ton of motives that could be behind the bombing and at that point no one really knew what the situation was i'm inclined to err towards that last one yeah since he also says quote let's not put any inference into this yeah which seems to indicate he's trying to avoid putting inference into it it literally his main like that's the almost

the worst example of having to use an example you know like he can't just say oh well we don't know who did it because everybody'd lose their shit and they'd be like this is a terrible interview so he has to he has to give like an explanation for why we're not just going to come out and say oh this is okay islam yeah yeah we're going to say it could be it could be islam it could be but it could be but it could be anything but because it's because the first one is like oh it's tax day then it's also constructed in a defense of why didn't obama call this an act of terrorism right and the explanation of it is there are a lot of motives the first easiest one that people could understand is well it's also tax day you know like you which by implication means

that he wouldn't consider that a terrorist impulse possibly tax day and you know what i'm saying but but no matter what it is it's not blaming someone with a tax motivation it's no it's not concrete in any way on a scale of total bullshit to they're blaming the tea party i'm going to give this a one or a two it's easy to see how it could be spun to say that they're pointing the finger at tax protesters but it's entirely unconvincing to me and only works if you take it completely out of context absolutely um so alexa is convinced this is a false flag by the 16th he is very certain of that and he has something that runs through this entire episode which is he believes that media like media matters media ight these sorts of places right are attacking him right for saying that

they're gonna blame right wingers right and then they go on to blame right wingers thereby proving alex right right for the thing that they demonized him for saying right oh what a tangled web we weave when first we set up to tell the truth so here's a clip sort of embodying that ladies and gentlemen while we are busy analyzing what really happened at the mystery false flag what we playing dr who while we're busy watching the white house surrogates come out and say oh it's a right wing tea party person that was very predictable i was attacked just minutes after it happened by known white house front groups like salon and others no white house front group of course media matters a lot which isn't actually run by the white house for saying hey they're gonna blame it on the

tea party and then minutes later they did in those very publications i mean this is the magnitude of i say watch they're going to blame us or they're going to try to and then they go look you're a crazy conspiracy theorist but yes we are going to try to blame you but you're wrong because you're right and you're crazy because you're right okay uh gotcha so i searched everything posted on media matters from the time of the bombing to the point alex is on air now and i think i might have a sense of what he's talking about on the morning of the 16th matt gertz published an article titled quote the worst conservative reactions to the boston bombings the first entry was alex with the screenshot of his twitter rest in peace saying quote our hearts go out to those that are hurt

or killed hashtag boston marathon uh but this thing stinks to high heaven hashtag false flag hashtags the rest of the list is people i hate i hate living in the age of twitter it's a mass hate it i at least alex isn't on it anymore i really i i look i love love love indoor plumbing but i want to go back to before all the technology i just i'm not for this it was a bad road it was a bad idea the rest of that list is just people like laura ingram and pat robertson blaming immigrants and muslims right of course there's nothing about criticizing alex for saying that they were going to blame the patriots or anything like that there's another post from the 16th titled quote alex jones and his enablers but this too doesn't seem to be critiquing him for saying that

the globalists are gonna blame the patriots for the bombing it just seems to be uh people rightfully and rightly responding with disgust to how quickly alex tried to turn a tragedy into a narrative by calling it a false flag that article probably had him more worried though since it was discussing the people who validate alex despite him being consistently wrong in a disgrace that article specifically calls out ron paul ran paul lew dobs judge napolitano belzer and all the other supposedly credible mainstream people who willingly or unwittingly elevate alex's stature if i were alex i would probably see that as an attack but it still doesn't fit with what alex is describing i really can't find any evidence that media matters was condemning him for saying that

they were going to blame the bombing on patriots i think they were just kind of offended that he called it a false flag within minutes with no information yeah salon kind of wrote an article like that but if you actually read it it's more just an article that's like look at this asshole yeah that's kind of the point of that article and salon white house front group which in 213 didn't they still employ glenn greenwald well actually glenn i was working at the guardian ah that was that and he actually wrote an article there saying quote obviously it's possible that perpetrators will turn out to be muslim just like it's possible they'll turn out to be the extremist right or right wing activists or left wing agitators or muslim fearing anders brevik

types or lone individuals driven by a political mental illness he even calls out a few democrats on twitter who made suggestions it was a right winger along with calling out his lombophobes insisting it must be a muslim his take on it was pretty even handed in no way suggests that it was a right winger uh jank on the young turks had a conversation on his show about different reactions people might have depending on who the bomber was saying that if it was a muslim people will call for war but if it's a right winger those same people will say it's just a crazy guy the conversation is pretty speculative but it's not at all saying that the bomber was a right winger or pointing the finger it's hypothetical in nature right looking over the mainstream reporting in the

immediate aftermath uh the day and the day after i didn't really see a lot of people blaming right wing extremists at all there's some suggestion that some such group could be a suspect based on the timing and amateurish nature of the bomb but all those suggestions were accompanied by disclaimers that we have no idea who's behind this and it's too early to say alex's rhetoric does not seem to match up with the media which to me is an indication that like i keep bringing up he's trying to build premise two of his argument in service of proving his proving his conclusion that the globalists are about to bring this whole thing down panic everybody he needs premise two so even if the media doesn't do what he's predicted they will he's going to go out of his way to make it look how he

needs it to on a very basic level this is purely designed to cause panic and fear and put his audience in a near apocalyptic state and it's disgusting to see someone respond to a legitimate tragedy like this because it's very unhealthy and to see him use this like these these outlets are responding to what i did like humans might saying this guy's a fucking asshole um and then they blame the patriots like adding that wrinkle into it to sort of invalidate other people's correct criticism of you it's just even worse yeah all this is just a psychodrama he's forcing on his audience and it's bad what uh what always kind of weirds me out about these these idiots uh whenever they're talking about like oh it's uh muslim terrorism or anything like that is then they just try and

inspire more fear in their audience which that's the whole point of a terrorist attack uh is to make people afraid yeah so why are you so if you're you're saying that you're condemning them but then exploiting it and playing into their hands strange dynamic and it seems like you guys have a almost uh symbiotic relationship as opposed to uh an antithetical one it's weird how that works it is kind of weird how that works but really alex like to himself he thinks that all he's doing is like asking questions and being a journalist trying to get to the bottom of sure but you because he doesn't understand what a journalist does so there's that but you can see that that's not the case and like you can see in this next clip that what he's doing is using all of the

narratives that he had built up over the past couple months and applying them to the current situation you see none of us are allowed to be involved in the narrative none of us are allowed to speculate ask questions like gee it's patriots day in boston gee uh do you think they're going to try to blame a right wing group they're only putting out southern poverty law center in adl memos last month saying domestic terror attacks are imminent we warned you right before the oklahoma city bombing uh we warned bill clinton and now we're warning new obama the attacks are imminent you can look that up and you've got all these dramas and sitcoms in movies with propaganda placement saying the tea party is gonna bomb people at public events and they're the new

enemy not al-qaeda and then you have this happen we're the the country started we're the revolutionary war we're 1776 started in 1775 lexington concord boston patriots day april 15th in boston the real patriot's day is the 19th steward rode's is on his way there uh driving right now he's gonna be joining us later in the broadcast of oath keepers uh and he's like oh yeah a false flag all over it oh great steward rode's is chimed in thanks steward leader of the oath keepers thanks stew well but you see this also who does alex go to immediately when you when there's a need i don't know a right wing lunatic who might bomb something well consider him an expert yeah that's a good point um so i mean go to the source what you see there is a fine tuning of the old narratives that alex had been building

now that the payoff has come he chisels them down instead of they're gonna nuke uh chicago in order to blame us it's they are they'd been saying that uh veterans and patriots are gonna put ids everywhere yeah you take whatever is is functional out of the myths and the narratives that you've built and apply them to the present situation and pretend all the other shit never happened all the other dumb bullshit you've been talking about i really cannot imagine like having a friend who after the boston bombing i could text the question was it one of you guys alex has a few of them alex has a bunch of those friends uh how wild is that yeah that's crazy to have a bunch of known terrorist groups and like hey did you guys do the boston bombing and no okay cool

then i'm gonna lie about and then fucking imagine who he has like second degree yeah like just through larry pratt for gun owners of america alone yeah like imagine what kind of contacts that fucking dude has right uh yeah it's it's pretty weird yeah closely like you don't need the kevin bacon game no no it's it's it's a very short phone tree yeah so i have this clip it's just kind of off base a little bit you know like it's kind of not really related to the primary stuff that's going on but it i found it very interesting because it's something that alex does not believe just two years later and uh it's uh it's weird to hear this kutens been caught 99 planting bombs in a fourth building when they got caught the fsb federal security bureau by local moscow police

suburb of moscow they said oh it's part of a drill let us out of jail so alex believes that uh putin did those uh those bombings uh he uh aggressively denies that uh in the 2015 when he loves putin yeah so something changes so weird yeah very strange because he's talking about like evidence uh putin did it here oh and putin did do it not just like i think he did it no he's like fsb people got caught he said it was part of a drill every time he is correct about something in 2013 we find out in 2015 he changes his retcon everything exactly so but that's uh part of the uh argument that he's trying to make that everything is a drill there's always a drill that covers up the actual false flag and we've seen this before he talked about that in terms of

sandy hook uh he's he's it it's universal throughout his rhetoric and he's found out that there was a drill at the boston bombing oh no and now what came out which they're freaking out about and having their surrogates surrogates come out and demonize no one in mainstream media is covering this but drudge report dot com and that's not even really mainstream media drudge has a link to this story that is in local news when i say mainstream nationals not covering it local 15 tv out of boston we're going to get to this in a little while the video of it a little while a document can please u m coach bomb sniffing dogs spotters on roofs before explosions well now they're not calling them police spotters go to drudge and now it's the mysterious man hunt

for the mysterious man in the hoodie there were cops all over the roofs in hoodies we've got the video we've got the photos i don't or whatever you have doesn't mean anything so he does talk about this a little bit later and before i discuss it i'll let him lay this out ladies and gentlemen let's go further ollie stevensson the marathon uh coach university of mobiles cross country coach who was who was near the finish line of the boston marathon when a series of explosions went off said he thought it was odd there were bombs sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines they kept making announcements to the participants don't worry it's just a training exercise now our own dan bedondi said ali stevensson on local 15 that is nowhere in the national news

unless it's the alternative news of info wars dot com prison planet dot com prison planet dot tv i uh remember this being parroted very heavily in the days right after the bombing and what it was was the turned it into a uh a perception that there were announcements like just before the explosions or in the aftermath that this is a drill that's how the story gets twisted and that's sort of the way alex is presenting it and like i said whenever he wants to portray something as a false flag the only arrow in his quiver he chooses uh the one he feels is like unassailable evidence is to argue that there was a drill going on at the same time as the event meant to provide cover for the actual attack if you look throughout his career it's almost universal it's part of almost

every conspiracy he's ever promoted and generally speaking what he does is he finds something that seems a little weird but only weird because there was a tragedy and he ascribes greater significance to it than is merited in this case he's taken a local boston news article about a runner saying that there were bomb sniffing dogs at the race this is meaningless evidence as uh as is his supposed pictures of people on roofs and hoodies none of that proves the damn thing it's just titillating bullshit i consulted some running forums to see what kind of chatter there was there in the aftermath of the bombing and i found a lot of accounts of people who claim to have been there granted these are just posts on message boards but they do seem pretty consistent with uh uh that they what the

situation is that they were told not to pet these dogs and that there were dogs that they were there for training purposes the dogs were being trained which might seem slightly weird but that's only because there was a bombing if i uh if it hadn't happened you just look at that and say well i guess it makes sense to get the dogs acclimated to a setting where there's a lot of bustle and noise tons of people around and tons of stuff that could distract them that seems like a tough environment to artificially create and honestly i don't think there's any reason to assume that the dogs were there for bomb sniffing training purposes more for huge crowd desensitization purposes i don't understand all the ins and outs of training police dogs but i can imagine how this

might go pretty universally this was the position of people on running forums uh the people who were there and actually heard the announcement it was an announcement not to pet the dogs be calm around the dogs don't startle the dogs it wasn't be calm while there's a bomb going on yeah even after surviving the bombing like these people are reporting this they didn't think it was anything weird and i tend to uh agree with that yeah yeah i mean yeah yeah so alex makes uh this uh narrative that there were announcements wait i changed my mind nope that's suspicious of shit okay okay alex makes this narrative out of their announcements that this is a drill and you need to stay calm and before we break down even a little bit more about this i want to talk about why this is stupid

on its face alex is trying to argue that the bombing was a drill that went live and he's arguing that a piece of evidence is that someone announced on the speakers for people to stay calm it was just a drill this would tend to imply that the person making the announcement was involved in the drill since they knew or believed it to be a drill if they were actually running a drill they would be doing so to gauge police preparedness or response strategies and in order to accurately gauge those things it's important that people act as if the drill were actually real if it would 100 percent ruin the drill if someone were to convince everyone to stay calm as it would completely alter the crowd's reaction to what was happening i guess that could be a good drill if you're trying

to test police response to a group of people who don't believe an attack is actually happening but i feel like that scenario isn't very useful to prepare for in the real world uh it wasn't then but now it is becoming more and more useful as more and more people are not going to believe anything right the idea that someone got on a pa system and told people not to panic is actually some incredibly strong evidence uh that this was a real bombing if it did happen which i don't think it did it could have been misguided advice but the sort of thing you would expect a well-meaning person trying to help in a crisis to say like everyone calm yeah orderly fashion yeah don't trample everybody there's a lot of us and you're going to wind up killing more people if we have a

stampede right yeah the reality of someone saying that would i would interpret that as evidence of reality right but again i don't think that's actually what happened i think it's a misrepresentation of this article gotcha it would still be hard to explain if this like someone did make that announcement why they said it was a drill and like i said i don't think i need to explain that since i don't think it happened if you read the actual post in the local 15 news out of boston it does interview university of mobile coach ali stevensson and he says that there were announcements that this was a training exercise however there's literally no indication from the text or anything stevensson says that these announcements happened after the bombs went off or just before or anything

if you read his words and compare them to other accounts of people who were there he's just describing the announcements not to pet the dogs in a more suspicious way than other people might have chosen to there were something like 20 000 people running in that marathon and all of the claims about an announcement that there was a drill or to stay calm all come from paranoid conspiratorial interpretations of comments of this one guy ali stevensson it's very hard to take this too seriously when there's tons of videos people captured on their phones and this announcement doesn't show up in any of them when there are literally tens of thousands of witnesses and no one is put forth an account that backs this up other than ones that are like

don't startle the dogs yeah yeah yeah and to be clear i'm not even saying uh that i'm sure that stevensson's making anything up you know there's a really good chance that people were told to be calm around the dogs and his comments could make sense in the context of runners being told not to bother these dogs they're there to be trained and acclimated to high stress lots of people environments he might have been factually right but spoken in such a way that conspiracy idiots decided to read exactly what they wanted to hear from his words as i look at the information available it's really hard not to reach that conclusion this guy spoke in precisely about being informed there was a dog training exercise going on and to remain calm around the dogs and alex and his

ilk have taken that as proof that the whole thing was a drill yeah that's my assessment and i feel like what this boils down to now in future episodes there's a big wrinkle about drills but that will have to wait oh they're uh our tools alex will find a piece of information i i don't know this to be the case from listening to his episodes yeah but i'm i remember that he finds a piece of information that proves to him drill stuff and it's far far more complicated but we will get to that all right in the future okay fucking tease sorry so how do you like fox programming oh you know me cartoons in particular big fan of the simpsons okay i was seasons nine through or seasons two through nine well um the critic was great oh love the critic king of the hill fantastic sure uh based on alex

jones all the characters on absolutely so alex wants to talk about family guy oh okay well then never mind because he has decided that the family guy proved in advance that the boston bombing was planned all right because they showed the boston bombing in an episode that aired a month prior right right all right i want to i want to get a drill and uh put it through my brain well how about you wait until after this clip they had a family guy that aired two weeks ago where the dad who's a tea party guy joins the taliban again that that that oxymoron that they're still pushing it until people believe it west point says it you know army to crush tea party rebellion forbs ap Reuters you're like that doesn't make sense now it will make sense family guy has him at a

subconscious level it's it's it's it's almost subliminal we're gonna play this coming up it's up at info wars.com bombing the boston marathon at the finish line with two bombs with a cell phone deathmatter fake laugh that was weird that's a weird maniacal laugh that's a laugh that somebody who actually caused the bombing that's a disturbed person yeah yeah like there's no excuse to talk about the bombing the day after it happened and laugh like that out to break like a james bond villain there's literally no context even if you're talking about a family guy episode that i can think of that makes it even close to acceptable behavior and i describe that as monstrous alex is talking about

an episode of family guy that had been released on march 17th 2013 called turban cowboy in the episode peter as a skydiving accident meets a guy named mahmood in the hospital small point peter griffin is not a tea party guy so much so that they actually made an episode that aired on may 13th 2012 called t peter where the whole joke is that peter joined the tea party and succeeded in shutting down the government the whole point of that episode was that uh was that the tea party is an astroturf movement funded by big corporate interests who want to get rid of regulation peter learns that and reinstalls the government yeah he's not a tea party guy that is not a part of his character anyway well he's from boston sure uh co-hog yeah anyway in the in the episode alex

is talking about peter and mahmood become friends which leads peter to convert to islam but of course it turns out that mahmood is a terrorist oh no peter gets roped into a plan to blow up the co-hog bridge but uh tries to back out the plot gets disrupted but as the episode is ending peter uses a cell phone to call the drunken clam to have them get his uh table ready which is seems weird because it's just a fucking bar but the the phone is rigged and it causes the bridge to blow up yeah so that's the gag at the end there it is i'm not a family guy guy uh and i think it's bad use of our time uh to critique the show's inconsistent messaging so i'm gonna leave that here uh alone for a bit you know how shitty this is yeah uh the sort of weird weird muddiness yeah

some of the messages what's important is the claim that alex is making he's saying that this episode predicted the boston bombing saying that peter used the cell phone to blow up bombs at the finish line of the race and that is absolutely not true the cell phone was linked to bombs at the co-hog bridge what alex is doing is combining the end of the episode where bombs are triggered by cell phone with a cutaway joke from the beginning of the episode when peter is skydiving before he has his accident he says i haven't felt a rush like this since i won that marathon and it cuts to him driving through a crowd of people in the boston marathon with his car gotcha it's unclear if it was someone at info wars or even alex himself who did it but someone edited together the clip

this cutaway joke from the beginning of the episode and the cell phone gag from the end of the episode to make it look like peter used cell phone triggered bombs to attack the boston marathon it may have been created in house might have been might not have been but even if it wasn't info wars was the first outlet to widely circulate this and it's a complete mis uh misinterpretation and misrepresentation the only reason someone would push something like this is if they're desperate to create a counter-reality to the one the rest of the world is experiencing it's an abusive active media and alex should be profoundly ashamed of this that's fucked up yeah it's and it's and it's very clear the the misrepresentation it's clear the intention of it yeah i would believe that

it's probably some online troll but alex that would make the most sense who actually created yeah just trying to cause trouble yeah fuck with people and then alex treated it as real and of course and gave it legitimacy um yeah when it comes to alex and occum's razor with anything technological it's better to err on the side of alex stole it than alex did it also another important point even if alex's complete misrepresentation about this family guy episode was accurate he's still at this point has literally no idea how the bombs were detonated the initial theories were that it was uh they were on a timer but by the end of april the house intelligence committee had determined that they were triggered by remote control similar to one

you'd use for toy car yeah it's really important to look at stuff like this uh uh because alex has already decided that this absolutely was a false flag and the defense he's giving of his theories are really weak if you look at them you find consistent intentional misrepresentations misrepresentations that would only be made to try and steer people towards the conclusion that it was a false flag which alex has decided already when you have to resort to that kind of of an approach to make your argument that is a bad sign bad sign yeah yeah i don't uh i don't think he's doing a great job so far no bad his uh his boston bombing coverage is you know i halfway think i have we think on the 15th whenever he got the news that it happened and everybody's freaking

out and they tell him that he that he said that there was gonna be an explosion and he was like oh my god i did i halfway think in his head he's like the coverage that we're gonna do is gonna win us the first Pulitzer maybe that info wars has ever had i think it's possible but i also think that he didn't expect that they wouldn't catch the people right right right like i really don't think that he i don't think that he had any expectation that he'd have to stretch it out over a day no i agree like this i think that he is lost without a map yeah to a certain extent like he still knows what narratives he has to build in the direction he has to go but i think he thought that there would be a clear suspect maybe even a rest within 24 hours right and the fact that they'd be able to lie

about that exactly and that's the territory that he's the best at yeah he wants there to be a an image of what it is they are telling you yeah and then he can twist it to whatever it is he says yeah instead he just has to like create like this is a drill based on this misrepresentation of this article he has to say it was a false flag based on oh it was on family guy before based on a completely manipulatively edited clip yeah it's crazy that is that is interesting to continue with the the wet cement metaphor the cement can't be wet for too long because then somebody else can scrape over your initials there yeah you know there can't be that much there can't be such a huge distance between when an event happens and when actual information comes out yeah because the

longer it goes the more you're the more flimsy your bullshit when you realize the concrete isn't drying on its own yeah you need to work to dry that yeah exactly and i think that's kind of what he does you know in terms of like trying to solidify this argument that they're going to blame the patriots and right i think i think he's working to try and dry it right but i don't think it works so i think he does give his audience one good piece of advice based on sort of a fictional reality uh and that is that you should never be involved at all in bombing drills oh okay don't get involved in drills most of the time they're not going to do it but let me tell you one out of a hundred drills or so they're going to blow it up what i'm going to tell you leave it and then

you're going to get arrested you're going to get dropped out every you're going to get tortured you're going to get electroshock therapy until you go before the military tribunal and say that you bombed the sears tower or you bombed the mall or you bombed the school i'm going to tell you it's just like arlington road the professor's trying to stop it and they trick him to run you know to be on the news and then run into the parking garage when it goes off i mean i'm i mean they're telling you how they do it right there okay i'm getting chills and i told you this was going to happen yesterday before it happened i'm getting chills talking about the movie that i use as a reference to talk about this bullshit they're telling you how they're going to do it which is poorly and in

kind of a slapstick manner yeah um so in this in this next clip uh alex says something that is not good for his present day lawsuit in sandy hook okay and now that our own dan bedondi in two different press conferences with the police chief the mayor and the governor our own east coast reporter dan bedondi made national news just asking real questions about hey now there's the hubbington post boston marathon bombing brings out conspiracy theories that means people that are willing to go hey there was a drill and the police say no there wasn't a drill so alex is uh taking ownership of dan bedondi yep which in the present day he is trying to distance himself oh yeah why is that quite heavily why is that is there any reason partially because dan bedondi uh there's a lot

of videos of him harassing people in sandy hook in new town and alex doesn't want people to think that he was an employee of info wars as much as he was a guy we you know we covered stuff right unfortunately later in the episode he says this it's because you put them on a stand you oppose them a real questions and all of a sudden the mainstream media don't like it because well that's why i hired you it is because you are fearless and i know you get homesick with you know go up to see your son and your family everybody back around island but as an east coast reporter the reports you follow every week are just phenomenal and we're gonna we're hiring more editors so he makes it clear that he hired one hundred percent that's uh gonna be tough for alex jones

argue that he wasn't an actual employee uh good good luck with that yeah so he alex plays the the clip of ali stevensson just short for allister uh stevensson talking about this uh the situation alex adds a ton of spin and then we learn a little bit about uh what dan bedondi did now here's the coach uh this is the shorter clip the full clips up on info wars dot com drudge report dot com also has a u m coach bomb sniffing dogs spotters on roofs before explosions and then uh in the very area they kept making announcements to the participants do not worry it's just a training exercise kind of like nine eleven stay at your desk everything's fine or sevens you know just over and over again the aurora shooting it's fine it's just a drill

let's go ahead and now go uh to that clip at the start nine this morning they had um bomb spotters on the roof of the building and they had bomb sniffing dogs he has no reason to assume that people on roofs are bomb spotters that's just his own conjecture so no they're on a roof and a bombing happened right so that means that yeah coming up and down at the start line and melanie said there were bomb sniffing dogs at the finish line but they kept making announcements saying to the participants do not worry this is just a training exercise well evidently i don't believe they were just having a training exercise i think they must have known they must have had some kind of threat so decisions hold in no kidding and again they're lying about that that is

undoubted and again we're breaking the real news we're forcing the real issues out in the open we're engaged in real journalism so salute ambodonti wow salute ambodonti that is that is so brazen yeah it is so fucking brazen and frustrating that i that like we're we're doing journalism i have a guy there who is saying things that are not true and that is real journalism i have a guy who's a pro wrestler yelling at people yeah and it's exciting hey dan so you got a day off it's a big holiday guess what you have access to your building's rooftop and you're near the front of the boston marathon the start of the boston marathon would you and i say go up there have a couple beers and watch it what are you asking anybody could have been on those oh yeah oh no

just because they're on a roof but also just hanging out also even the idea of there were authorities up there uh that makes sense to yeah of course yeah it doesn't uh it doesn't ring to me as suspicious necessarily and a lot of the stuff that like uh that uh stevenson is saying in that clip like if you just listen to it through the prism of there was a dog training exercise where would the places that those dogs be they'd obviously be at the beginning and the end of the race because that's where tons of people are yeah no one's at mile 12 or whatever you know a lot of people hanging out at mile 12 there might there might be that's the it's like the amen corner of the boston marathon so it's still unclear why he's saluting down badondi yeah for doing real

journalism because he's doing real journalism and we find out here we're engaged in real journalism so i salute amadondi at both press conferences he got the first questions down and out and they just shut the press conferences down i mean they were going to grandstand for an hour you know they were and and the press still had more questions but badondi was there going you were running a drill you were running a drill boston globe you were running a drill you were running a drill and the governor looked like he was about to have a heart attack and looked so angry and the media is like the governor was angry that such stupid questions would be asked of course there was no drill in fact it's the media that denies it for them there was no drill there were no police dogs there were

nothing it was uh everything's fine so i i do think this is really interesting how excited he is about dan badondi particularly considering like i said in the present day he's really trying to distance himself from this dude and i wanted to uh like i went back and i watched a little bit of alex's sandy hook deposition video and prepped for this episode because i remember that badondi comes up in the questioning about that uh at that uh that day and i think i noticed something really interesting the opposing council shows alex a picture of dan badondi and alex's first response is to get a huge smile across his face and laugh he very quickly realizes that this is a strange response and he regains a serious composure really fast but there's a good 10 seconds where alex is

looking at this picture of dan badondi and there's a sense of nostalgia in his smile a feeling of wistfulness for the day has gone by better times when he could make buckets of cash just sending pro wrestler to go yell at people and disrupt events i might be reading more into that than i need to or is appropriate but his big laugh and smile that quickly recedes as he realizes badondi absolutely did harass the citizens of newtown it's a pretty evocative image for me that transition of ha ha oh yeah oh you're what i'm here oh shit it's particularly in the context of him congratulating badondi on this episode for harassing the people of boston this image is really yeah it has a meaning to me whether or not i can prove that my reading of it is accurate well badondi was in boston uh

doing all the reporting that he's doing that alex is talking about here on this episode he had an info wars microphone that he used for his reports and in at least one video i can find he has a laminated press pass which i can't zoom in on enough to confirm but you kind of got to assume he got that through info wars he's there in an official capacity not just as some guy whose videos alex covered so alex's big narrative on this episode about badondi is that he got two press conferences shut down by asking the hard questions that the media and the establishment couldn't handle man he didn't even describe it like he was asking questions he was literally just saying he yelled i had a guy go in there and say you had a drill right you had a drill shutting it

down you had a drill not did you have a drill he didn't even say did you see mad damn badondi brought up false flags and everyone just packed up their shit and left they couldn't handle it no i think it's just like shut the fuck up dude so i've read a bunch of articles about massachusetts governor devol patrick's press conference which badondi asked the first question and but none of them say that the conference ended abruptly after his question i found video of it and badondi asks his rambling is this a false flag question and patrick just replies quote no next question the next question that's asked isn't a question that patrick can answer it's about whether or not there are specific leads or suspects after the question is asked past patrick

steps aside and lets the police representative field the question if you edit the footage just right though it kind of looks like patrick is leaving the press conference after badondi asks his question and that's absolute bullshit also it's kind of surreal because as badondi is prattling on the camera pans across the stage and elizabeth warren is there i mean of course he was but it's weird senator from massachusetts but it's still weird to realize she had to listen to damn badondi that is kind of weird yeah that is fun it's surreal now that she's running for president right right right right i strongly suspect that this whole thing is about trying to create the perception that the powers that be are afraid of the words false flag being uttered and saying them in their

president's presence is the equivalent of telling a judge duble cane it's purely an attempt to convince his audience that all these people have something to hide and that thing is the truth that alex is disseminating alex wouldn't do stuff like this if he were making a real argument this is pageantry this is manipulation to trick his audience into accepting a fraudulent version of reality and it's not something you'd accidentally do it's intentional yeah because that press conference didn't end after badondi's question of course he just stepped aside to allow the police commissioner to answer but he's the governor ran away because badondi's so great yeah you know maybe the press conference continued but the governor couldn't handle it yeah that's why he had his police chief

the fucking enforcer go up there because the enforcer's not gonna if he made that argument it would be closer to real but he doesn't he just makes a false false version of it that it ended after badondi brought the truth so here's another alex talking about that family guy episode and i'm gonna play some things that are a little bit repetitive but one of the things i want to nail down in people and really drive home is that he's being repetitive because it's intentional like constantly reinforcing the same talking points in order to get this in your head and family guy apparently is a big piece of evidence they have now up on info wars dot com the family guy this aired sunday first aired back in march where the boston marathon is bombed with not one but two bombs

by the family guy the tea party guy at the boston marathon at the finish with two bombs so it's essential to lie about multiple things about this in order to make it fit alex's narratives he has to be peter griffin has to be a tea party guy yeah in order for him to satisfy his narrative that the media is telling you that tea party people are gonna turn into islamic terrorists right that is satisfied by lying about the character he has this fucking crazily edited video in order to prove his uh the bombing was in the tv show before it's it's it's layers of manipulation that he's using this for it is it is kind of uh it is fun always watching how many times he can be wrong in one sentence you know usually people need a lot more words to be wrong about four or five

things yeah but he can really condense it down into one sentence alex is a champion of that if nothing else yeah yeah yeah that's a talent yeah you gotta you gotta give it up to him like the smally like the smally pirates which he is wrong about so alex announced earlier that he's gonna have stewart roads of the oath keepers on uh and alex stewart did you do it alex talks a little bit alex talks about how maligned the oath keepers are and then stewart roes who's actually driving on his way to boston right now but the oath keepers uh vent on the 19th and the law enforcement and police uh military organization that swears to uphold the bill of rights and constitution that they swore an oath to how incredibly evil that the media has been demonizing and claiming

might be involved in terrorism no evidence with no evidence they're accused of that also spoiler alert stewart roads never shows up on the show oh really uh yeah which is a relief yeah but uh hey man no evidence uh need i remind alex of matthew fairfield the cleveland oath keeper who was arrested in april 2010 when police found a napalm bomb in his house or what about chris uh sorry charles dire who was arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting a seven-year old and was found to be in possession of a fucking grenade launcher there's plenty of evidence that the oath keepers are uh they're not just some troupe of do-gooders out there trying to uphold the constitution absolutely now maybe some of them are certainly you know just these actions of these

couple people isn't uh demonstrative of everybody in the group but their ranks definitely have included people who seem to have been plotting or actually doing some horrible shit and alex turns a blind eye to that hey no that's no big deal that's that's lone actors they're actually plants the fbi put them in the fbi put them in the oath keepers to demonize the oath keepers because that's how they do it i'm sure alex would say that if push came to show 100 so earlier in the episode he said you know uh the media is all saying that it's uh right wingers are to blame you know they're putting the thing pointing the finger at the tea party libertarians you've seen all the clips all of them and so at that point i didn't have much to go on but at this point he

starts laying out a couple of specifics and uh now we get to see how well he is doing reinforcing premise two that the media is blaming the right wingers his first one i regret to inform you is weak cnn national security analysts now see i'm a cook for saying this but one hour later cnn national security analysts warns of right wing extremists behind boston bombings boom and we have a video clip of that we're going to in a minute so he's referring to uh here an interview on cnn that jake tapper did with uh security analyst peter bergen allow me to read to you from a media ight article that alex has referenced quote cnn national security analyst peter bergen told host jake tapper on monday that the explosions in boston could be the work of al-qaeda terrorists

as much as they could have been a planned assault by right wing extremists that is not blaming right wing extremists that is saying that either of those sorts of terrorism were possibilities and the situation is still unfolding legitimately listen to this quote bergen said that hydrogen peroxide a hydrogen peroxide device would signal that foreign-based terrorist groups are behind the attack however if there was another explosive use that may signal signal right wing terrorists were involved quote we've seen a number of failed bombing attempts by al-qaeda bergen cautioned but we've also seen other extremist groups right wing groups trying to attack for instance trying to attack the martin luther king parade in oregon in 2010 he said that he thinks that hydrogen peroxide bomb

was uh more likely used here signaling that bergen believes that foreign-based terror groups are likely or are more likely behind this yeah so even this article and this interview that the cnn analyst said based on what he believes the bomb to be he believes that foreign actors are more likely right so this does not work yeah i thought i just had uh that i have pointed that i've like like aren't they both right wing terror it's debatable you know what i'm saying i understand what you're saying but you know what i mean yeah yeah i like the government that isa set up wouldn't be considered a liberal safe haven i you know what i mean i see the point you're making you know what i mean do mean different i know they mean different things but they mean more the same thing than they

do different things you know what i mean file this under the heading of uh they have more in common than yeah that's that's what i was thinking but that actual article that alex is talking about there which he's presenting as the media blaming the patriots and the tea party comes to the conclusion that foreign-based terror groups are more likely behind the attack than right wingers his source literally and completely contradicts his narrative but it doesn't matter bergen entertained the possibility that alex's militia weirdo buddies might be suspects in any insinuation that right wing terrorism exists is really just a plot to demonize the good guy patriots in an attempt to start a civil war or something yeah it doesn't even it doesn't matter if he's blaming the boston

bombing for uh on right wing terrorism he's mentioning that right wing terrorism exists yeah and that's more than enough for him to be like well maybe he's not blaming you for this one but he's setting you up to say that the right wing is doing the next one that whole thing yeah and it makes me kind of think that there's a possibility that alex himself believes that right wing terrorists might be behind it yeah and that there's a feeling that part of his motivation might be preemptive damage control he's really pushing it hard if the pot like if they do arrest someone who's i don't know part of a three percent or a group or you know whatever some militia extremist group or even somebody who was a part of that group but the group itself wasn't involved just went on his own

like this it has a real utility in terms of preemptive damage control right no no no no my worldview was not involved this is fake they're blaming it on us right it you get the sense when you start to look at these things and you see like those don't say what you say they're saying why are you doing that yeah and i can't really tell you the why i have some thoughts preemptive damage control is a possibility um financial motivation is certainly a possibility just making him self seem right is a possibility yeah that's always which also dovetails with financial interests yeah yeah um there there's there's a number of possibilities and i without knowing his own brain i couldn't tell you but it really does feel like there's a there's at least

there's a non-zero chance that alex probably thinks that it could be a right right or there's a non-zero chance that he thinks it might have been a good idea for the for a right winger to to commit a terrorist act like that well we're going to hear later a clip of alex saying what kind of terrorist attack a right winger should commit there we go that's what it was pretty fucked up there we go so anyway alex has another headline to establish his case boston marathon the initial theories uh london independent they predict it's right wing extremist boom i'm right again boom so this article in the independent is just explaining why some people have theorized on twitter and online that the bombing was either islamic or right wing terrorism

it doesn't say that it's either it's really just what you might call an explainer for possibly non-us readers of the dynamics involved that have led some people to think one of the two groups could be behind the attack on the right wing side they point out that it was the anniversary of the weko standoff as well as patriots day and text day on the islamic side they also point out that it's the 65th anniversary of the independence of israel so that date also holds significance for groups all over the place honestly a fair reading of this article would lead you to think that they were making the point that islamic terror is more likely the part about the possibility of right wing groups being behind the attack is just informational it's just a list of facts

like this date means this yeah whereas the part of the possibility that it was islamic terrorism includes an interview with a professor of security studies from king's college and references to someone in at the boston globe speculating that it was islamic terrorism there's a bit more weight behind the section about that than the right wing possibility alex i mean again i sound like a broken record but this article is not blaming right wing extremists at all but again to alex anyone pointing out that right wing extremist groups exist that in itself is basically a crime and that's basically all i can see going on here yeah so you got another article irish examiner right wing expert says right wing terrorists most likely at bomb boston that's how you demonize your

political opposition you bomb stuff blaming on them can't beat them fair and square stage of bombing blame them so that is an irish examiner article this is as close to fair as alex is gonna get and it's still a long way from being what you might call good work the examiner headline is quote fbi following up on a variety of leads to boston bombing and then it discusses some of those leads they reference a counterterrorism expert named richard bar barrett who says that quote the incident had hints of a right wing attack but he also says quote it was too early to say who uh was to blame for the marathon blasts the article isn't about who did the attack really or even pointing blame it's about how the fbi is getting a ton of tips and working through them in as much as the article

does contain an expert saying it was too early to say who did it but he suspects it could be right wing extremists fine if alex wants to base this conspiracy of patriot demonization on a bunch of shit he's lying about in an article in the irish examiner he's more than welcome to but i will say this is thin fucking broth yeah and also the problem i have with it the most is that every expert that everybody every reporter that went for a quote every one of them is looking for you to speculate every single one of them once you doesn't matter if you have proof doesn't matter they want that for the article because you need it because it's going to be so much better for your article than writing another article still don't know what's going on you want an article

that says this such and such expert and then whenever they tell you well it could be this or it could be that then you say even in the in the absence of information for too long even professionals will resort to tactics that are uncautionable of course i think that's kind of i mean you still again you can't write the same story three days in a row still no idea what's going on it diminishing returns exactly from that yeah so alex has some more headlines and i have bad news about these headlines cnn national security analysts warns of right wing extremists behind boston bombings town hall boom right bart same headline town hall so that town hall boom right bart all of that is the same thing from that media article where the the guy said that based on the

hydrogen peroxide bomb that i believe it to be right foreign terror is more likely so he's used that three times in this list of articles they all are about the same interview with jay tapper on cnn this is how he does this this is how he creates the illusion of there being tons of people saying that the patriots are to blame when three three are the same source that doesn't say that that is why the right wing's media severe is so powerful they're so good at that they created this i i mean monolithic unstoppable force of reinforcement just because they can always create that feedback loop one guy on cnn and says something one time town hall fucking a fox news a bright bart fucking name it they'll all write a story about it and then they'll all reference how

so many people are writing stories that it must be a bunch of different things going on like it's it's brilliant and evil and going to end the world but you got to give it up to the Somali pirates and all of this is to reinforce premise two in the argument that's all this is doing and i know that i probably sound like i'm making too big of a point of the construction of this argument but it's how alex set things up in the immediate minutes uh and maybe like half hour after news of the bomb broke he established it almost as a thesis and in this next clip he reiterates it after he's already done this manipulative disingenuous work to establish premise b or premise two he now gets back to trying to like say reframe the argument now that he has pre the second premise

with him now ladies and gentlemen they they're setting up to have these all over the country if we accept this get into the fear the media's hyping it this is the whole paradigm shift to go into total martial law to stop the tea party bombing everybody and to get republicans to apologize for what the tea party's done if they blame it on the tea party and republicans apologize it's over total communist takeover run by foreign offshore banks so now you see how this works he's now he feels like he's established that premise so he changes the argument now it's about if uh they blame the patriots which he feels like he's established right so that that uh is is there if they do that and we don't we allow it to happen we accept it we don't fight it yeah then it's all

over yeah so now you've shifted things you've created the presentation that your first argument was right you move it to now we fight this yeah that's how this works this is the moving of the intention yeah well the other thing though is he added another caveat that the republicans have to also apologize for the tea party wow see now that i find to be uh illuminating that he doesn't his his uh framing of it is an if then and of course the solution that we're going for is don't apologize for white terrorism ever start a civil war or whatever you know more or less right yeah but he doesn't actually want a civil war no so every time he believes he's proven an argument he's gonna have to add another little caveat so people don't actually follow through with the whole

civil war obviously and it sort of indicates exactly what the goal he wants exactly when he shifts this narrative or this argument from its original form to now including the right wing and the g.o.p not apologizing for the tea party right what he's more saying is um i want uh my weirdo extremist friends to be more ascendant within the g.o.p yeah i want them to be accepted and if they are not accepted and they allow this demonization that i'm imagining is happening right to stand then it's all over i mean it's and it's so similar to the way the way he treats the n r a or the way the n r a works in the g.o.p as well where it's like don't give an inch don't give an inch not one single inch but this is all the same way inches well well yeah but i mean the the point being that

no g.o.p. or not one can come out and say that a white person is capable of evil no one not one of them they couldn't 2013 probably but not for alex right oh yes yes yes because for them that's going to be his like uh his new litmus test and that's blaming the right wingers exactly for anything right it does it does track like that right and you see that in the way that the this is sort of shifting a little bit right so in this next clip alex has started taking calls and oh good that's what i want to hear i want to hear info warriors response to the boston bombing as you thank god as you'll recall he wanted critical info yeah critical intel crowd source lies so here's the first bit of that let's go to eddie in texas says his friend is a fed

has intel eddie you're on the air go ahead hey alex uh yeah i was just sitting here in a buddy of mine he's a he is a federal job and uh he told me i gotta stop by your shop and i said sure why not so he comes over here and he tells me you know we talk about the bombing and whatnot and then he tells me okay there's reasons i can't give you but i feel bad if i didn't give you a warning buy as much ammo as you can the only thing i can tell you is buy as much ammo as you can his friend in the pentagon is not he will not give me any critical information as to why but he just told me buy as much ammo as you can double it i don't care if you have two if you have 21 shotguns or whatever you double that by the end of the month wow so you talked to your your source and he said

his friend pentagon he just said get as much ammo as you can that's exactly what he said and i told him did they declare martial law in um in boston he said no they declared a state of emergency different and i said well you know i heard different things and he said all i'm gonna tell you and all i'm authorized to tell you is the same thing i've been telling you buy more ammo which is something that alex has been saying on his show for a really long time which is suspicious i would say that uh this caller who has a friend who heard from somebody else is repeating third hand information yeah and no matter what he said is hearsay there is no use for this being aired on the show there is no use for this to be treated as credible information

sure and especially when the message of it is like stash weaponry yeah like when that is the message that is coming from this lacking credibility source all you're doing is scaring people yeah all you're doing is creating the perception that inevitably really soon war with the government is breaking out yeah yeah and the pentagon is the uh the root of this phone tree as it were and so that's the army the army is going to be against you so get fucking ammo yeah i mean it could also just be like the price of ammo is going to go up soon you know gold going down about seven percent you know you figure ammo is going to go up spend a little money on ammo put it aside i feel like this would be presented slightly differently now i'm going to go with

invest in ammo my friend all right well allow that is the most generous reading of this so that's one source yeah we got alex goes back to the calls and he gets another source who i think is crazy uh i i'm gonna tell you exactly what's happening uh martial art is coming in a couple of days sure uh the next thing is uh in the video i should be really clear this caller identified himself as a member of the marines and that he has high level information so it's not just someone talking he's presenting this as like actual right is there a reason he sounds a little bit like larry nickles um it's not it's not raspy enough oh okay uh two seconds before the blast uh and intel uh the lady with the black shirt black short she's the last one to cross

the finish line before the bomb goes off she did it the four uh first letters are 1979 he did it as very important as billy corgan uh every historical event in 1979 leaves up to what uh had started in january and leaves up to december uh marvitt batcher uh she became prime minister in 79 uh ron uh what the hostage is in 1979 um also uh you have in 1979 hold on stay there jose calz is coming up i won't build a fence all right uh sir sir excuse me uh first off thank you for the service second get the fuck out of here click third of all you make sense a couple points uh the person this guy's referring to in that video the black shirt black shorts that's not a woman that is a bald man

well it is a bald woman no it's not you can tell it's a dude uh while it is true that 1979 was on this uh racing identification number the actual number is 19793 if you're gonna just take 1979 out of that why not uh 97 93 maybe that's the year globalists are finally gonna unmask now come on that's the flight number of the globalist who flew in 1979 but i mean really this is the kind of thing that alex is gonna let slide on his show the day after the bombing sure a caller claims he's in the marines and has important info and it's that this person's number is 1979 there's something to do with margaret thatcher and the iranian hostage crisis yeah what the fuck is he even doing uh great journalism this dude legitimately might be might as well be pointing

out that joe jackson put out his best two albums look sharp and i'm the man in 1979 okay he might as well be telling alex that apocalypse now came out in 1979 or how about how the happy meal was launched in 1979 oh shit the happy meal was launched see you're convincing me he's right you're not convincing me he's wrong or what about the fact that pope john paul the second visited the u.s in 1979 specifically arriving in boston no shit damn you fucking cracked this case drubrees was born joseph mengala died don't care none of this stuff matters this show sucks this is the stupidest bullshit unreal yeah i did alex cut this guy off i don't know but you know what it hits the commercial and he's like i want to let you finish and you thought that that meant

he's gonna hang up on this guy it does not no he goes back to him that can't be real here's how this goes when he gets back stop it so so real briefly uh cut to the chase there dave is this something you speculate on on the messages they like to leave calling cards like the ace of spades or is this intel you're getting from your sources on the marine corps this is intel that we get from the marine corps uh this is a domestic false flag it's not international um the building did not blow up that was um that that would have been international um this is all domestic this is the false flag um there is one more event that's going to take place uh it's domestic and um i'll send you an email um but i can't talk more what you're being told by sort by

what area of the marine corps are you in good question i can't tell you well i mean specifically though you know sometimes they tell you guys stuff that it is going to happen but it really does it but you're being told that within days there's going to be an event that triggers martial law yeah yeah good work um i just watched uh price of oil um also uh a certain embassy well i noticed that gold imploded yesterday the stock market went down big time and then all this started uh big of things afoot with iran big things afoot with north korea a very bizarre time um thank you so much for the call sir god bless you that caller sounds very credible sounds very incredible 1979 incredible that is incredible whoo that guy sounds so credible dad

right doing a little numerology on us i i think that this is actually like a really good gamble to make if you're someone who's just spreading bullshit and that is that there will be another event within a couple days because you've got to assume it's now the next day they have no real leads right of who did this there's got to be a manhunt yeah because you've got to assume that if this person was part of a terrorist organization there's a chance there will be another bombing of course and that could be what you're referring to here right or there's a manhunt that's gonna have to go on and that could get pretty fucking scary for a little bit so whatever the you know whatever vague nonsense he's talking about it's a really good gamble to say within a couple days

there'll be another event yeah makes total sense doesn't prove any kind of intel yeah now alex says that he sounds credible immediately alex gets on a phone with uh joel scousen who also sounds credible sure scousen comes in and he is like i listened to that last caller and i don't think he knows what he's talking about good the marines don't like that information wouldn't flow down i was i i literally wrote that down yeah i was like fuck off yeah what are you a fucking five star general what are you talking about yeah scousen's like that's not the kind of leak you would expect to hear and alex immediately turns on all his callers he immediately is like these people are trolling like whereas you heard it right there his immediate reaction is this guy so credible

so credible because scousen you know insulted him alex is like no none of these people make sense jeez is crazy so anyway fuck scousen but here's his take on it immediately joel scousen i think this is just the beginning of something better well alex the it has all of the hallmarks of a government false flag operation the first and foremost one is they always pick high profile events good uh good analysis it has all the hallmarks of a thing that uh i am basically inventing which means i get to tell you what all the hallmarks of that thing are so there you go yeah so i mean his take on it as his sort of tradition with joel scousen is uh false flag false he's uh he's on board he's helping alex build up this narrative the rest of his interview

is pointless so who gives a shit i'm amazed that false flag doesn't have diminishing returns on it they keep on coming well yeah of course it does to us but they keep on trotting it out yeah they can't you can't think everything is a false flag you could almost make a pretty cogent argument that uh people constantly calling things false flags only allows the government more easily to commit a false flag that's a good point because you're crying wolf all the time exactly somebody who is aware of that and wanted to pull false flags would certainly pay someone to say everything is a false flag to make it cheap and right i'm not saying that's the case but a conspiracy theory might point the finger at alex and say that that's what he's doing right

well and in the in the same way that uh if i would like this would be a great time for iran to attack somebody because fucking trot says everything is done by iran why would i believe anything that pompeo says about what iran does you know like you guys are fucking lying so much they can get away with it because you're giant fucking liars wow so alex is talking about this being a false flag like i said he's totally decided this already is and he compares false flags to the human sacrifices of the days of your short old civilizations would commit human sacrifices whereas globalists use false flags and alex says something that just he has a flight of fancy that i just find disgusting but of course it's their whole business it's a human sacrifice

our ancestors used to sacrifice people believing it made the harvest be better and now they just blow stuff up and you know i would imagine they're like here's sonny sit on my duffel bag for me it okay mister you know so they can kill the little kid and use them all over the nose i mean there's just of course they want to kill you with vaccines anyways why not kill you now so uh we'll get everybody's take on that and and and again i've been trying to get uh damped on the um the skype spin up and down i'll tell you my uh my take on that go fuck yourself the child did die like he's not just making up some abstract possibility he's imagining a cop telling that kid who specifically did die in this bombing to sit on a duffel bag

in order to kill them so they can use him for publicity yeah that's what alex is fantasizing about i imagine this is what they do that's fucking insanely disrespectful uh to the parents to the child to everyone this is disgusting shit he should be deeply ashamed of himself this is not how like this isn't asking questions this isn't journalism this isn't exposing truth this is all this is a monstrous person hurting people more like there's no there's no value to this it's disgusting i don't know how to put it any more concretely but like this is why this stuff infuriates me more than i expected to it's because you hear shit like that and that's not the only time he uses this flight of fancy he gets into it a couple more times it gets gross it's just sick

so alex goes to his next guest okay uh guy named dug a hagman real winner dug hagman not the hagman from the hagman and hagman report uh i believe i refer to him as hag dugman yes yeah something like that's my that's my moniker he's uh in present day he has a uh poorly rated youtube show where he pretends to know things and often interviews coach dave dobbing meyer i love it so he's doing good does he have like 30 little screen i think he also has a laura loomer on great even after she handcuffed herself to twitter oh but she won she did win yeah uh so he has dug hagman on and in this uh intro that he's he's giving for him uh we get a little glimpse at somebody who should also be ashamed of themselves for enabling alex's bullshit we're gonna go to dug

hagman of the northeast intelligence network did a great job on coast to coast a m last night breaking all this down i'll be on for the full show tonight alex the day after the boston bombing after he's been saying all this horrible shit coast to coast is having him on for the entire show george norrie everyone who works at coast to coast a m apologize go fuck yourself and apologize you're complicit in this i don't think they will no i don't think they will either they will down no i think we should send them an email but i don't think they'll i don't think they'll reply sternly worded else we should also put in the subject line i saw a ghost then maybe they'll read it listen i love you guys i love everything that you've done

apologize you pieces of shit for this ghost but also for alex right this is one of the like the reasons and one of the things about like that show is so fun and fanciful with all of its paranormal talk but it has a dangerous place that it also occupies yeah and it's by mainstreaming by platforming by helping disseminate the messages of someone like alex jones the day after the boston bombing when all of his rhetoric is counterfeit all of his bullshit who are primed to disbelieve any mainstream narrative and every alternative narrative yeah so alex presents his most compelling evidence to uh uh uh doug hagman here yes i want to say it in fairness to alex which isn't even in fairness to him like he does constantly evoke past acts like the seven seven

bombing in oklahoma city sure sure sure the aurora shooting and a lot of that is evidence in quotes that he's presenting to reinforce his arguments but the things are like a lot of it stuff we've gone over in the past or it would require way too much time to get into but i discount a lot of that because i think that's the the forest for the trees kind of stuff but i i know that if alex were to listen to this you'd be like they don't even bring up that i talked about seven seven sure and i don't because it's bullshit yeah here's my response to that criticism go fuck yourself alex sure so even so like he you know if he were to present doug hagman his most compelling argument you'd expect it to be his most compelling argument and this is what he's got uh but doug the most

devastating evidence is that rob do my news director i do it uh could constantly argues with his defense intelligence uh brother-in-law uh who is actually pretty high up in it and he's on the army marathon team and he can run 24 miles in his sleep he was running he was pretty much fine and they came over and said you're dehydrated we're pulling you out because he was up towards the front coming up to the finish line right before all this happened so that's his most devastating evidence is hearsay about rob do's brother-in-law that he's clearly sort of writing his own little embellishments on yeah that's all you need have we confirmed in any way that the brother said that he wasn't experiencing any symptoms he's uh he's not he's he's do throat sure he's taken down the

taking down the whole machine such horse shit yeah that's your most damning evidence that's what he's got you've got nothing damning evidence you have nothing well let's get him on the show you can't oh see now that doesn't help no well it does help because you just show whatever the fuck you want sure it does yeah for devastating evidence and i assume that if rob do had been able to get a hold of his brother and there were more details that help out absolutely no chance rob do would have been on the show on the oh yeah he would have been laying it all out yeah alex would have even more details instead it's the same basic story he told on the 15th just now like uh you know he wasn't he was fine you know he's a horse they pulled him out so there have to

be so many so many times where rob do's brother-in-law is just like even look i get it man but fucking keep my name out of your mouth i don't want to be any part of this like that's that that would suck so bad yeah if it's like oh no my sister's husband is an info warrior yeah fuck and alex also brings up that rob do used to be in a band with the guy who flew his plane into the irs building in austin i'm like rob do might be way more fucked up do is fucking out of here yeah jesus i don't even know if that's true but alex says it like all right so dug hagman says something that i think uh if there's anything to take away from this episode i think it's this mentality that dug hagman is expressing i think it's such bullshit you know with all of the accusations

of saying well you can't really say this is a false flag attack or you can't really uh conclude anything while that might be a true statement today what you know are we wrong to be a little bit jaded or a little bit gun shy about uh about what we're seeing here with respect to to this incident i wish i had like a air horn to emphasize me telling you to fuck yourself yeah no shit that's the biggest fucking loser cop out i've ever heard in my life what are you saying is sure we don't have any we don't have any idea what we're talking about come on but come on we should be able to jump to conclusions because we've built up a worldview that makes that okay that is so fucking infuriating that's all dug hagman is saying and it's disqualifying uh that's that's yeah that's

when you stop talking to somebody you know why that's so unacceptable it it's because this is presented as a news show yeah alex pretends he has high level sources and one of them is dug fucking hagman these two dipshits are sitting on this show that pretends the self to be like they don't present this show is like it's just commentary based it's just one man's opinion they do not present it that way when they spread their shit they have an expectation that their audience believes them so they have a responsibility to not fall back on excuses like how can we not just assume the bombing was the government was a government plot to make our friends look bad when it feels like that to me jesus christ when when like when you're someone like me uh and you listen

to hours and hours in this bullshit there's a lot of really maddening things that get expressed and this is right up there in the upper echelons dug hagman runs a website called the northeast intelligence network it's not that we said it because we're jaded network it's an intelligence network reflecting the bullshit notion that he's working off intelligence i'm probably overly pissed off about this but it's just such a clear moment that demonstrates how aware these people are that they're running a con yep he's saying like yes these people are right to criticize us for saying that it's a false flag we do not know that but we're jaded i don't i don't know is that your argument then that we're jaded and see how many people buy it i would say i would even say the

other direction of like they're they're criticizing us uh but they shouldn't be because we've earned the right to be this jaded because we they should look you may be right that we're wrong but you shouldn't say that we were thinking bad about it because it hurts our feelings we went about it the right way we according to the ways that we've made up that don't make any sense again because it hurts our feeling exactly it's fucking pathetic it is there are a bunch of triggered little snowflakes right and i would wish ill on dug hagman but he does a show where he has to talk to i think he's gotten his comeuppance already um so i told you earlier that alex would say what sort of terrorist attack uh a right wing or a tea party or would do right and listen to this

fucking clip and consider this is the day after the boston bombing listen to the way alex is behaving there's no real tea party person that would blow up people at that they'd attack the un or something we'll be right back why does nobody ever do that by the way we'll be right back what what the fuck what why doesn't anyone ever blow up the un building uh oh boy i think a very few reasons i think a very ungenerous but not totally unreasonable reading of that is hey i wish they had blown up the un instead of the boston bomb now a true right winger would go and blow up the un building jesus christ now that's not necessarily directing your listeners to go put a bomb at the un building but it's definitely not not well i mean it is saying that if you blow up the un you're a true

right winger and wondering why someone hasn't done it already frankly i think uh that's the only litmus test for whether or not you're a true right winger jesus christ that's i think that's bad i think that's bad i gotta say jordan we don't often see i i but i'm with you on that i think that one's bad yeah so uh hagman gets down to his uh high level sources sure he has and tells the people what to expect again based on my source i think the most important if i can say nothing else today for today's broadcast is expect more and look at these as diversions and and that's that's pretty frightening as far as i'm concerned well said okay well said uh sure i don't have diversions from what to do what what should you be looking out for if that's diverting you from what

why are you talking who cares it's vague enough that you could make it mean whatever it needs to mean to you and uh i get to pretend i have high level sources it's a fun game for everyone to play because they're jaded yeah black go to therapy like seriously no you have to pay people to go to therapy not much in this way they pay you to be go to a fucking doctorate student or whatever go to a clinic just stop doing this to people you're hurting people no shit you're killing people anyway in this next clip alex suggests that maybe it was real terrorists but if they're terrorists they have to be mexicans what you don't exactly that might be real it might be real terrorists that came over from mexico they would cover it up and find some patriot to blame oh exactly it's

almost as if the facts that don't matter it's almost like the facts don't matter exactly you're gonna say to that statement maybe the terrorists came from mexico and they cover it up you're gonna say in order to blame patriots you're gonna say exactly well and then doug hagman says and it's like the facts don't matter i agree with him based on everything we've heard in the last about three hours of this show the facts do not matter they do not matter 100 do not matter so i told you earlier that scousin said that alex's caller sounds like someone making stuff up and alex turned heel on his listeners and was like all some of these calls are clearly people fucking with us you know that sort of thing yeah so now alex gets into the idea that there's misinformation

being spread online because that's the only place that a lot of stuff is getting theorized and posted as if it's real sure so i think if i had to guess i would say that this is an attempt for alex to claim authority in that space by critiquing some of the theories that he hasn't disseminated he will be able to elevate his own theories above the muck i think that there's some yeah bit of intention there that makes sense you can't really prove it but it feels like that's what he's doing but either way he chooses a post on reddit that he's decided as a troll post and uh this is amazing they don't want us up front addressing the information i've never seen trolls going this wild on this many fronts i've never seen anything like it in my life and this is the type of stuff getting posted up to

so that's the introduction and now he gets to reading the article and listen to what happens to him as he reads this uh post they're going to pin this event on a male late teens to early 20s and i'd say uh he did it because he's unstable and say he did it he wouldn't say that and they say he's unstable they're going to find firearms an nra book in his home they're going to say he used reloading powder yeah i was thinking that too to then ban that for the explosion and that reloading powder shouldn't be for sale to the public absolutely that shuts down reloading it's about going after the bullets he's fine he starts agreeing i thought he was saying that it was a troll post he did that's how he set this up he starts reading

it he's fights himself agreeing with the troll post that he is already indicating as like this is the sort of shit that's getting posted well actually i got you know that's what i was thinking too it's insane it's it's it's too you can't it's parody it's him looking into a fucking mirror and being like look at this idiot well he's got some points this guy is a handsome fucking man yeah Jesus so alex at the uh this is the last clip of alex uh on the 16th because he leaves a half hour early he does three and a half hours and then david knight jacari jackson and new hire leon macadoo take over for the next hours of the show but this last clip is alex sort of indicating that he doesn't like that

people are saying that the right wing or islamic terrorism those are the groups that keep being brought up as possible right folks because they're essentially the same thing well but other people have also like there have been a lot of indicated like immediately after the bombing uh saudi national was reported to have been arrested sure uh that turned out like he was cleared he wasn't involved at all but there was a lot of people who were saying it's the saudi's yeah like alex doesn't even bring that that up as something that was being covered well i mean they did die in 11 so alex has clearly chosen to only hear from sources that are saying it's the right wing or a right wing extremists or islamic terrorists yeah he is ignoring all other right yeah and he's kind of pissed off that

that dichotomy exists because there's a fucking third option and and we'll see who they blame it on but they're already saying right wing al qaeda right way who will it be right wing or al qaeda not hey are the weatherman back to something you know the weatherman it's just this thing to hang it out there so they can project it onto whoever they want yeah maybe the weatherman got back together well i mean i think his uh it's funny to say that he's he's talking about the literal weatherman which he may be but i think he's trying to say that it's possible that there's an eco terrorist group as well he's talking specifically literally i know but you know according to all reliable sources no bombing ever carried out by the weatherman was an attack on humans it was always property

there's some copycat attacks that were carried out by unaffiliated groups that did kill or hurt people but the right and the right wing types you know they're pretty consistent in going ahead and blaming the weatherman for those two well of course leaving that aside even if the boston bombing was anywhere near the mo of the weatherman at the time of the bombing they hadn't been a group for a full 36 years yeah alex jones was three years old when they disbanded yeah i was going to say how old was bill airs in uh 2013 he's got to be early 60 yeah yeah this would be like if there was a bombing today and you wonder why the media isn't blaming the police and i don't mean the cops i mean the ban the police wow broke up in 1984 i mean stewart copeland had some amazing drumming and uh there's

nothing like a a good hi-hat staccato to really get you into the bombing mood sure that's crazy that's why aren't they saying it's the weatherman that's that's that's sad sad spin oh boy so i do like the idea now though of like uh the weatherman aging are all like old dogs like tim allen and they're like let's get the bandit back together for one last ride or whatever ridiculous ridiculous so um and that's the last clip of alex from the show but i had two more clips because i want to demonstrate to you that everyone at in fours is complicit everyone that i can see uh if you are there and you're witnessing this clear misrepresentation that's going on of all these sorts of things and you're allowing this to happen you don't walk out i don't give a fuck about you anymore yeah you

no they were just following orders dan that defense has always historically been used and and been accepted as an okay thing i do not let leanne macadoo off the hook that much but she just started right so she might be disoriented and confused and i don't have any clips of her because they didn't listen far enough maybe she comes in like half an hour later yeah but jacari jackson and david night are very clearly conspirators they are on board with this they're spreading the same shit as alex they are just as guilty here's a clip of jacari jackson talking about evidence that maybe this was fake the paul joseph watson article concerning a episode of family guy and we get people who comment and say why do you guys reference a cartoon or a video game or whatever else now this

particular episode of family guy i believe is called uh was it cowboys uh turban cowboy turban cowboys and in this episode a family guy uh the father peter griffin is uh is a participant in the boston marathon and it just so happens that two bombs go off in the marathon so i do believe we have that clip ready to to roll with i'm bob castis here with boston marathon winner peter griffin peter how did you do it damn phones busted maybe i dialed wrong so you just saw the clip right there well that proves it heavily edited clip yeah to completely change all of the context jacari jackson is passing this off he presents himself as a news man it

didn't even consult the episode didn't take 20 minutes to watch the episode itself to see if you're spreading misinformation all you do is take a fucking video that paul joseph watson posted and repeat it as gospel you have every reason to either know that your shit at your job yeah or you're lying intentionally to people to push a narrative and go fuck yourself and well i would like to uh add a third possibility what if the weatherman did it interesting okay so you're david night chiming in there and here's where he gets his go fuck yourself of the day they talk about turban cowboy he gets aligned in that episode with an islamic terrorist right he's a tea party guy okay so that all feeds feeds into the narrative that they've been they've been trying to they're

trying to uh get you on because they keep saying that it's going to be your right wing extremist even yesterday there are talking points at info wars and it's very clear because one of them is that peter griffin is a tea party guy so you see this you see the repetit you see these people who are you know they're doing the job yeah they're doing the job it's the day after a national trauma you see these guys and they're falling in line and spreading dangerous propaganda and for that there is no coming back no you have crossed the rubicon yep as it were so we get me you know we get to the end of this this is a lot and i i'm glad we made it through as quickly as we did even though this is long um i expected it to be much longer quite a lot of a lot of podcasts are like

woo good thing we made it through this quick it's only been three and a half hours a lot of people yeah it's uh but i mean it's dense there's a lot of material and you see what alex is doing when you take a second to deconstruct it and you take a second to see like okay this source doesn't say what he says it says why is he misrepresenting that it all fits into the same pattern of forming that argument and then once established changing the argument to be the if the g.o.p. uh turns its back on my extremist friends then civil war is coming yeah exactly uh and you see that that's sort of the political like uh radicalization and extreme uh uh pushing towards the extreme is kind of what's at the bottom yeah of his agenda and his motivation beyond that rich bellzer can

go fuck himself uh four bells dug hagman can go fuck himself hag dugman get the fuck out of here um it's kari sure tonight yeah everyone wanted info wars i mean if you allow this shit to happen you don't don't wake up it's just fucking ridiculous can you imagine being a new hire on a day like that like how long has she been there he mentioned her like a couple days prior yeah i don't know it's that it seems like she's new that's if that's your fucking fourth or fifth day it's like oh boy i don't know what i'm gonna fucking do i think i would i you would i well a reasonable person would would probably quit yeah just be like no there's no way that this is worth it zero way that this is worth it i remember episodes of love line after like traumatic events

what they would do is they would take calls from people to talk about their feelings about you know what people had experienced yeah that sort of thing because there's a there's a natural help people heal help people there's a grieving process help people air it out and come together yeah and that is kind of i think while i have some other issues with certainly adam corolla's late career and maybe in hindsight some of that earlier part of the career but i think that that's such a good model for how to be ethical and stewards of the public airway yeah in a sense you know like you have a responsibility when you have an audience and you're a daily live radio show you can't take the day off or whatever you have to come in and do something you have to

care and nurture people because if you don't you're disrupting a process and alex is deeply disrupting a process here and the only motivations can be nefariously political or nefariously personal yeah and i don't respect either of those i honestly think like there are a bunch of episodes that keep re upping my hatred of him yeah it's interesting because i i fall into a lull of like these these episodes will come up where he's like trying to get people to move to west virginia because there's no 5g there yeah it's like this is goofy what are you doing i'm gonna buy greenland yeah like this is bullshit and it kind of you lose track of like the villain aspect of it but then there's episodes like the andrews brevick episode like this there's a number of them along

the way but they really reinforce to me like there's intent here there is absolute clear it's not an accident he's not stupid what he's doing some of the stuff that is being done and it is being said he's stupid but he's not just mr magoo fumbling around propaganda this is directed no he knows the game yeah and when i say it's directed i'm not saying someone's telling him to do it i mean there's a direction yeah he is a he's a conscious actor doing this and it sucks yeah it's not like he has a it's not like his head of hr is like now our new story is this like he's the guy who owns the fucking place so we're done here jordan and we've gotten through the 16th and i hate this already and i really dread the next like week of his show

because this doesn't resolve well no um and a lot of stuff that does happen does tend towards some of alex's narratives yeah now great you know like the that i'm having to have a man hunt for the suspects is the sort of thing that fits alex's perceptions of martial law yeah but at the same time what else are you going to do like you the the police are put into an impossible situation but the optics of it work really well for alex i just don't i don't look forward to it um but we will get through it as we get through it uh but for now jordan we have a website we do have a website dan we do it's knowledgefight.com we're also on twitter we are on twitter dan it's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed joint you're correct we're also

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