Knowledge Fight - #350: September 29-30, 2019

Episode Date: October 2, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan check in with Alex Jones in the present day and see how he's taking the news that Trump tweeted about a hypothetical civil war. How does Alex balance telling his audience that an actual civil war is inevitable with his calling his audience to "legal and lawful" action? Poorly, it turns out.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan we're a couple dudes like to sit around drinking a whole two beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones indeed we are Dan Jordan you know we need to do Jordan we need to get a third person here named Jor yeah Jor Dan and Jordan no we don't that who is named Jor I don't know we could Jor El Jor El okay fine yeah we're getting Superman's dad into this whole show the perfect trio that's my question Jor El Dan and Jor Dan oh yes yeah let's just add L to both of our names Dan L and Jor Dan L and we'll call it we'll call it even sounds like a good plan I like it welcome

to knowledge fight with Dan L and Jordan L to be fair my name is Daniel that real close god damn it it is real close what are we doing all right let's cancel this show let's call the whole thing absolutely what's up uh Dan what let me ask you a question have you ever been to a classic old-time incarnable kind of situation you know the kind where you walk through and there's a bearded lady that kind of like the with the side show oh yeah yeah not like the not like the carnival that rides on the the cars and shows up in your town I'm talking like the dirty carnival absolutely not my parents would never have taken me to one of those things and after I was of the age where I might go by myself I would not I don't think I would have chosen

to go to one oh yeah no way I've been to like Christian extremist haunted houses which are very similar I've been to monster truck rallies yeah I've been to you've been to a monster truck rally fuck yeah I grew up in central Missouri yeah but that doesn't mean you go to a monster okay maybe it does I had some friends who just like to go to places where it was easier to drink right well in monster truck rallies are right up there especially in the middle of out of like Mexico Missouri you know like that sort of thing yeah actually it was one of the craziest things like because I had a group of friends like my main core group of friends weren't really what you'd call like people more they weren't the more rural types they weren't monster truck people country music

listeners people who would be on ironically at the monster truck yeah but I did work at a subway for a little while with a guy named moose and of course you did I grew up in central Missouri and I used to go to a karaoke bar pretty regularly that was on the outskirts of town like right at the city limits oh yeah called peppers there was a guy who would go there named l.a. montay who was also quite country okay he was great he was with the person who first introduced me to clarence carter's song stroken okay great version of it okay all right so I had these friends uh that I knew they weren't super close but you know they were acquaintances that were very good good friendly terms right to give you some context moose would always call me baby boy okay which I never knew

how to take okay I went to the monster truck rally with some buddies you know we're just out there drinking and I run into moose who's out there for the monster truck rally of course never it's like Dan how do you know that guy I'm like it's my buddy moose what are you talking about and then like half an hour later I run into l.a. montay give him a nice big hug it's like a weird revenge of the nerd situation where you've got your friends on one side and then the the jocks on the other side and you're the you're the fucking Romeo and Juliet betwixt the two there was no tension or anything like that but there was just like this sense of like Dan how many people do you know it was amazing it felt really good and the monster truck rally was pretty I mean it was all

right it gets really boring after a while how could it not because I apologize when we showed up it was for the part of it that was the demolition derby yeah and so it was just cars running into each other until they all stop right and that is it sounds like it would be really interesting yeah it's not yeah I've I've watched those on tv on like ESPN classic I've gotten way too high and watched those and it's like they're even even then like I can count like my my intellect by how many hours I step stayed watching it you know it just after after 45 minutes and you stop and you're like oh yeah I'm all right I'm not a bad guy but if you're there for the whole time there's some questions I can kind of understand especially like I actually can't really fully understand the

entertainment value of it because at the beginning it's pretty exciting because all the cars are really functional and they're fast and they hit each other hard and then as it peters out you're like what are we doing slowly backing into each other I guess you gotta stick stick with it and see who wins but I just don't I don't know it's not for me but I respect everybody in their entertainment choices the only word I can think of for the cars near the end is flaccid that's the word I can pick up impotent yeah so this is a podcast where I've been to a demolition derby and I know a lot about Alex Jones and I have never been to a demolition derby and I don't know anything about Alex Jones that is correct so Jordan today what we're going to be doing is we're going to be

going into the present day business we're going to be going over sorry oh boy we're going to be going over September 29th and 30th which is Sunday and Monday this week and I think we're going to see some real upsetting things yeah no I has anything interesting happened on last couple days a few things newsworthy events a few things have happened we might have had a president of our country tweet about a civil war yeah that's fine which is maybe a little too on brand for Alex and we'll see how he responds to that but before we get to that we got to take a moment say thank you to some people who have signed up and are sporting the show first of all John oh sorry Juan John Joan thank you so much you are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you very much

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fantastic have yourself a brew how's your 401k doing bro we gotta go full tilt buggy on this Watson all right let's just get down to business we ain't making that money off that heroin why are you pimp so good my neck is freakishly large I declare info war on you thank you so much pathogen ink and Patrick um also both uh are kind of relevant in some ways first of all it's pathogen ink ink and I should tell the good people out there because there have been some people who have been curious and it's been a little bit delayed uh I am getting the tattoo this week bum bum bum the show tattoo will be gotten it's happening um we uh reached that level of donations a little while back but the design was uh still being uh put together uh but that is all completed

and I might even go after the show quite frankly I think that's a great idea do you want to come no okay well I'm not going after the show I gotta feed my dogs hey dogs are fine your dogs are chubby it's gonna be at least an hour tattoo your dogs are chubby my dogs are chubby they'll live you son of a bitch it'll eat the fat from within you'll be good for him that doesn't make sense at all makes total sense okay um and then uh Patrick uh sent a message and he would like to challenge us uh to go through this episode without me saying be that as it may okay you are not allowed to say I don't understand sarcastically okay so we'll try to do that I don't understand uh be that as it may okay we will try our best to we'll see if that works out I make no promises

so uh the 29th and 30th was what we're gonna be going over but first here's an out of context drop from today's show piss on satan no all right don't do that no he likes it I'm fine with it satan likes it ah he both likes and dislikes it right so we start here on the 29th and as I got in and jumped into this episode I saw some stuff that I thought was going to be a bad sign uh on the 29th Alex begins with a little bit of motivation behind him and I didn't know how it was gonna manifest and when I first heard it I thought this is not good the more we keep putting up with it like they're the authorities and they're the bosses the words it's gonna get because we're in this still mate now where most people don't believe them and and hate the establishment

but they're still in charge except populists are getting elected everywhere so now they're taking over her elections speeding up election fraud speeding up intimidation bullying and we're on a collision course so I'm gonna talk at the bottom of the hour believe me you want to be here about how we defeat this and how we stop this and I have a plan there's an article up on info wars dot com that deals with all of this and we've proven we know how to take action and you and you know how to take action and stop these globalists but it's going to have to be in the streets we're gonna hit the streets in a big meaningful aggressive way this is why I don't want this

off air ahead of 2020 because they don't want us as the modern paul revere to raise the alarm the president has said we'll play the clips again I played him at the start you may have messed up that we're in a war who are we at war with them and that these people are able to want to overthrow the country because trump represents the people in our best interest that's coming up so that I found as you did as well oh that's troubling that's no good it's a rare day that alex has a plan yeah so that made me worried first of all second of all taking it to the streets is only okay when it's coming from the doobie brothers absolutely um and then third of all that also the school from fame they too can take it to the

streets that's fine yes um and then the aggressive we got to get aggressive taking it to the streets now when I heard that I was like is alex gonna fucking jump is he making is he making that rhetorical move is this the move is this the day that we declare war I wasn't sure and so I was interested to see where the progression took it because he's also teasing it he's also being like we're gonna talk about it next hour yeah yeah keep eyes on the program and what have you um and then as the the show is in the early stages this is really all he's saying you want solutions you're gonna get them you want marching orders you're gonna get them yeah I've got solutions that's no good and I've got marching orders he never has either of those Dan we're

fucked yeah it's bad news that's no good no so he doesn't get to this right away because again like I said he's trying to tease this out to keep eyes on the program um and so he starts complaining about uh you know how much he loves Trump but there's things that he wishes Trump would do better on and when you've got a president at the rose garden saying I'm representing you and your interest so they're coming after me but I'm not gonna back down that's a pledge that he's been keeping I just wish he'd do more about the censorship because it's not about private companies it's about combines spying on people and punishing people for what they do and what they say and then lying about the fact that they're doing it and election meddling

and only putting negative search results up for conservative candidates rigging the searches it's all admitted Steven Crowder finally figured it's happening to him so it's happening to him for six months I told him he typed in his name wouldn't get any of his stuff he bitched about it they stopped it we've got to get aggressive kissing the left's ass has encouraged all this behavior so Alex seems to be like his chief complaint is like uh uh Trump hasn't got me back on twitter yet yeah that one was very obvious it seems to be that's what's uh the sticking in his crop that's well that's his solution well and also I mean Stefan Malinu just put out a video where he's talking about how like the de-platforming and stuff that he's experienced has led to

like a disruption of the inflow of people and that's critically hurt his ability to make money on his his hustle yeah well but it's exactly you know basically what I've been talking about with Alex's business model and why it's a failure yeah you need to constantly trick new people blood in blood out yeah more or less and it's interesting to hear Stefan Malinu really like lay that out and be like this is what's happening I do like I don't have new people coming in yeah people are leaving I do like that you should not have done that well I wanted to actually do an entire episode about that video that he made but I realized like we don't talk about him a bunch it's kind of pointless oh and I hate listening to his voice yeah it makes me want to vomit but that's

one of the values of this like if companies don't want to support and allow these people to game their algorithms in order to get more attention on their bullshit this is this is pretty I mean you see a pretty good case that this does work it works pretty well yeah with Malinu and Milo particularly like they have there you know they've been very public about how much it works in terms of disrupting their ability to indoctrinate people yeah absolutely great your parasites and removing you is making you worthless so yeah I like it and so Alex is now talking about how Stephen Crowder has realized that this is you know he's the victim of shadow banning or whatever which asshole is Crowder again so Stephen Crowder of the show Louder with Crowder no is a disaster

people listen to a guy who's got a show named Louder with Crowder kids do oh man he theoretically started his career aspiring to do comedy but he is also very he very quickly realized the power of right-wing media in terms of taking shortcuts to popularity and he's not funny from 2000 to 2012 he has a number of small roles that he's credited with in various tv and movie projects he did chowder with Crowder he did a voice on the cartoon Arthur he played party kid in the 2006 movie the covenant okay that was a good movie and he played classroom boy in the 2007 fucked up David DeCovney movie the secret where David DeCovney's dead wife soul takes over his daughter's body and most of the film is sexual tension between a father and daughter wow I have never heard of that one

Stephen Crowder small role can't imagine David DeCovney doing that he has he has a spotless track record he's not a weirdo so good on Steve for landing any roles at all some people don't even make it that far in show business and I wouldn't take that away from that I'm not I'm not interested in kicking down on him because he played classroom boy I don't really I don't give a shit I couldn't do that probably classroom boy anytime soon but if you really take a look at how things were going for him his career as an actor was dead on arrival if over the course of 12 years you aren't really able to get any juice any momentum going it's probably an indication that you aren't really cut out to act Stephen probably realized that that was the case because in 2009 he embarked on a new

career one of being a low-level functionary in the right wing media he was an emcee at the CPAC in 2011 presumably because he was one of the only people they could find who had any kind of performance experience to give you a reminder that Trump is just part of the problem here's a list of some of the speakers at CPAC 2011 let's hear the good ones Michelle Bachman hey Mitch McConnell Newt Gingrich amazing Steve King okay Chris Kobosh bring it on Foster Freeze I don't know who Foster he's a like a billionaire donor guy oh okay he's giving it cut his dick off he was giving an intro speech for Rick Santorum oh god damn it cut his dick off too Dana Loesch all right Ted Cruz Wayne LaPierre Ron Paul uh Rand Paul okay Tucker Carlson Paul Ryan Donald Rumsfeld how can you

even fit that many speeches in a fucking thing because it's like over the course of a couple days I have like little workshops and shit but they all have nothing to say Pamela Geller okay Robert Spencer of Jihad watch Sarah Michelle Geller Ann Coulter Phyllis Schlafly John Bolton Jesus and Stephen Baldwin that is a what yeah okay the GOPs had already lost its way in 2011 pretending otherwise is silly Crowder produced videos that would be aired on Fox News during this period and a couple years later he really made his mark with a particularly distasteful report that he filed in December 2012 Crowder was in attendance at a Michigan Right to Work rally where he was on video mixing it up with a bunch of union protesters a lot of the window dressing for

his reports and all this stuff is really unimportant so I'm just going to cut to the chase Stephen ended up getting punched by one of the union guys and immediately started parading the video around right wing media making appearances on Hannity with his video becoming a fixture of Fox News in that news cycle this clearly demonstrated that union protesters are violent painted them in a completely negative light and in effect demonize the cause that they were out there protesting for Crowder challenged the union guy who punched him to a fight and he was well on his way to becoming a new shining star in the right wing media landscape should take more than that and then I came out that the tape he'd been showing which showed him being sucker punched out

of nowhere by this union guy was manipulatively edited no the version that backs up Crowder's story specifically cuts out apart where someone knocks the union guy to the ground and when he gets up he hits Crowder clearly acting in self-defense the guy had been attacked and it's unclear by whom because the camera isn't focused on the right spot but the important thing is that this wasn't an unprovoked attack as Crowder had been portraying it along with all the right wing media I'm sure that they then issued a correction and the it'd be surprised to hear that they did not no they did a whole 24-hour news cycle on how they got stuff wrong right that's what they did they did not know me a culpa well maybe someone did I imagine maybe someone retracted but yeah

maybe after this Stephen didn't need to take roles like classroom boy anymore and he's been working the right wing grift ever since he started to show louder with Crowder in 2015 and since then he's done his fake edgy comedy bullshit shtick quite successfully by making his content incredibly stupid but also sophomoreically offensive he's a he's been able to trojan horse conservative talking points into content that's super attractive to teens which is really the place that he lives in in the marketplace of ideas it's the only reason he's a worthwhile commodity to the right and why he's part of Glenn Beck's network the blaze now so so he makes videos that teens with their unformed brains watch absolutely it's tailored at youth how I mean if you watch that as an adult

it's embarrassing on there what is more he might as well yeah he might as well be a Nickelodeon that's really a whole sailor for conservative ideas yeah fucking christ over the years his guests have run the gamut from shithead conservative types to dangerous radicals noted overt anti-semite Owen Benjamin used to be a regular on his show but has since come out against him in his youtube videos sometimes Benjamin will take a break from blaming Jews for everything that happens in the world to accuse Crowder of being gay possibly with his assistant who goes by the name not gay Jared that's kind of the level of humor we're talking about here really yeah oh boy so I went back through his podcast section on his website and you might be surprised surprised to find out that the second

post in that section on his website is titled quote moderate Islam is a myth here's why that was number two yeah you gotta ramp up to that so you can kind of tell that from the jump his podcast has been a real pile of shit yeah pretty early on he starts to have the sort of guests that you know kind of have a natural connection to his lane of propaganda right people like James O'Keeffe Paul Joseph Watson Gavin McGinnis Milo Yiannopoulos Sargon of Akkad who appeared on his show originally as an expert in Gamergate sometimes I think about that like counting the names of people that we talk about uh-huh it's not not a lot of not a lot of good names on that list we got a long long list of assholes Dave Rubin Lauren Southern Ben Shapiro Kurt Schilling Tommy Robinson Dinesh D'Souza

Stefan Malinu Blair White and of course Owen Benjamin this is a show that's tailored towards the youth and the idea that you would have someone like Stefan Malinu on a show whose demo is under 18 that should be a crime you're enabling a psychopath to prey on your audience and it's not like yeah what are you Joe Paterno all right it's not like Stefan was on just once all those people that I named were regular guests who appeared multiple times that's fucked up all along the way that he was having these overt over-the-top bad actors and liars on his show he also had access to people who were supposed to be legitimate politicians who came on his guests people like Governor Mike Huckabee Rand Paul Dan Crenshaw and Ted Cruz there's a reason that this brand of

politician would still go on a program where the regular roster of guests is littered with extremists among them outright cult leaders fascists gang leaders felons and holocaust deniers Stephen Crowder is useful to them and he has been since he lied about that union guy punching him along the way Crowder's made a name for himself by posting up on college campuses with signs making declarative statements like there are only two genders and insisting students change his mind he's that guy oh he's that guy yeah fuck you he interestingly never really tried to pull off a stunt like this with adults preferring to just befuddle unsuspecting undergrads who saw his table on the quad while killing time between classes along with Dave Rubin Crowder is famous for being

the sort to yell debate me and we want to exchange ideas that everyone but mysteriously refuses to even talk to Sam Cedar yeah that's unsurprising who has been trying to get them to uh wow they'll talk to anybody Dan except Sam see well I mean we're not going to talk to a hatchet man like that we want to have a free and open exchange of ideas Dan so anyway what Alex is talking about with this post Crowder recently made that he's learned that they're blocking him and stuff there's a post and there's screenshots that seem to imply that his channel is being shadow banned or some dumb shit he posted that if you search for him or someone else in league with him youtube doesn't show you any of their videos just videos from other channels and this is a conspiracy great

this is all explained by the fact that the search he was showing was filtered and had the video option selected there may be some other complaints that Crowder is raising but I don't really care all that much his career has shown him to be an unreliable source for just about anything and this they're blocking my content thing it's such a content a constant and fraudulent refrain from these right-wing conment so I don't really want to take too much time up trying to sort out get to the bottom of any of this I really just cut this clip so I could talk about Crowder's guest list and his failed acting career yeah he's a piece of shit yeah wow yeah he gets uh he flies under the radar a little bit but uh but mostly that's because I've considered doing episodes about his show

because he platforms people like Stefan Maloneau or Lauren Southern like just some dangerous people disseminating fucked up ideas but I've watched a little bit of it and I'm like first of all he's trying to be funny and so what is that like which is sad right but it also has a thing where it's like I don't want to necessarily take up a bunch of our time trying to uh sort of suss out what is isn't humor and what he's hiding yeah when people are doing this stuff like they're hiding their extreme ideas behind humor it becomes like walking through molasses trying to be like well I didn't mean it was a joke and it's just not worth the time and then also I was listening to it or watching some of his work and I'm like this is painfully stupid like it almost is like it it would feel

like doing a critical review of something that's for children yeah and I just don't I don't know how to engage with it the B movie but that said he is he is a real fucked up weirdo yeah and he doesn't he shouldn't get a pass that's not good I all of those like oh I'll fight you meet me in the ring challenges are stupid but for an asshole who's actively fucking promoting Stefan Maloneau I will literally fight him I am fine with it in this one case well as long as there should be a great wall around Stefan Maloneau so um one of the big things that Alex is on on this episode is and it's a real heavy trend that continues through uh into the 30th is that he's uh he's into talking about satan you might have noticed from our out of context drop by peeing on satan

I think everybody's fine with it Alex is deeply into accusing his enemies of being consciously in league with the devil right right okay and so he gets into that uh he talks about how him and mark dice were both offered huge careers if they uh pray that the devil uh yeah I would like uh documented evidence uh the son he gets into uh how it's not just him and mark dice here's bob dillon on 60 minutes more than 20 years ago people say oh he was just joking no in the last segment today I'll show bob dillon saying he went to the crossroads in the south see you at the crossroads he sold his soul to the devil let me explain something folks in hollywood before most people get initiated they actually

asked you to do this okay they asked mark dice to do it he said no they asked me to do it I said no this is real it's in the joke it's not real in the last second today I talk about it right now here's bob dillon you're still out here doing these songs you know you're still on tour I do but I don't take it for granted why do you still do it why are you still out here well it goes back to the destiny thing you know made it to bargain with it you know a long time ago and I'm holding up my hand what was your bargain to get where um I am now should I ask who you made the bargain with with with with you know with the chief commander on this earth and this earth and in the world we can't see bob dillon has been the chief commander okay

the chief commander not a lot of people have a conversation with the chief commander that bob dillon has we okay alex calm down okay from that clip that alex plays bob dillon could have literally been talking about god the chief commander of this world and the world we can't see doesn't have to be the devil that said I'm being intentionally obtuse of course he's talking about the devil yeah why wouldn't he be talking about the devil one thing that's important to point out is that bob dillon is a poet and it's probably foolish to take a statement like this literally when it comes to alex and his interpretation another dillon quote comes to mind quote sometimes it's not enough to know what things mean sometimes you have to know what things

don't mean hmm the comment that's why he's deep the comment dillon was making is not him saying that he made a literal deal with the literal devil to get where he got in life there's a common metaphor that people use to describe having to make sacrifices and give up things in life in pursuit of your overriding greater goals the deal with the devil is that bob dillon got to become one of the most important songwriters possibly in american history but in exchange he could never live a normal life for an artist life is never really normal on the path to success if there's to be success their focus has to be so squarely on their craft that they don't often get to experience parts of life that everyone else does they have they can live in poverty so they can dedicate

tons of time to getting good at what they're called to do they keep completely different hours than people with normal jobs essentially around everyone but apart and then if they're lucky enough to succeed and become a famous musician for example their life will never be normal after that point from then on they'll never really be sure if anyone in their life values them for themselves or for who they are in the world social interactions become distorted and whatever alienation they felt before as an impoverished nocturnal performer is only elevated now that they've reached the goal that they were shooting for i don't know when i hear bob dillon say something like this expressing that he doesn't stop performing or making music because he's keeping up with his

end of the bargain what i hear is him expressing that he made a deal with his own talent he committed to be the music uh this musician to the exclusion of so many other human comforts that he swore he would never stop creating and he's not going to stop now just because he's old rich and famous this is embarrassing satanic panic level shit that alex is doing he's basically saying that pretty much every famous person every celebrity you may enjoy someone who might appear to be doing good social work none of that shit matters by definition if they're successful they made a deal with the devil he's just trying to paint everything that isn't involved with his version of right wing extremism even things that may seem benign is intrinsically evil and a threat to his

audience it's sad on one level but it's also the sort of thing that doesn't seem like it has anywhere to go in the future other than violence like once you paint everyone who doesn't agree with your dumb bullshit as being literal satan worshipers you want to take your kids and kill them and put you in a slave camp how does that narrative play out is there is there some point where detente can be reached with that sort of group it seems like it has to lead towards escalation and you know i think alex probably has to be aware of that once people are willing satan worshiping uh child killers like what are you gonna negotiate with them uh i mean it depends you know after after a few you know opening salvos you see what's happening i don't know i

think you but making a deal with the devil is an old old old thing in blues music that is it is born almost entirely out of racism there's no way that a black man can play the guitar that well there's that as well now he was talking about like robert johnson yes absolutely then we would have that conversation about that and absolutely dylan's comments also harken back to that tradition absolutely so there is that aspect of it too um or i guess the literal devil is forcing bob dylan to keep making music because that was the condition of a deal they made to get the times they are a change in on the radio i forgot that's also a possibility well then why did he take bowie from us but if that's the case you know you got to make a literal deal with the literal devil right

right famous of course i have some bad news about the famous friends alex has you think ted newton didn't make that deal too literal deal with the literal devil you get charlie sheen somehow became a gigantic actor and didn't sign up with the devil the bill was paid pretty quick he was uh winning i don't know this is all a bunch of bullshit but i the reason i get into this a little more where as normally this might be something i just like who gives a shit um is because this is a clear editorial decision yeah it's satan time yeah it's all it's so much satan there's a lot of satan here yes like and i know alex talks about satan and all this stuff a bit it's over it's way over the top and very consistent throughout uh the 29th and 30th

like here that most of this is just rambling bullshit about god and satan and that's what this is all about but if you really love god you're not some shrinking violet like a little fake priest and all these people that that's the devil making you think oh god's not powerful you can't let's say something ladies and gentlemen you know god you know all the enemies operations everything satanists know beyond their most powerful leaders but you don't even want it you're like ah it's like a it's like a stinking vampire bat on your arm it's good get it away i mean you just can't even imagine just a full boost unbelievable but everybody's meant to have that are they no they're gonna have to go with their god

and you know god gave us free will i understand why god did it satanists go all your gods are you know it torched her it's the will to create new beings that have free will and compliment your health with camp derived cannabinoid oil oh god got off by that break trying to ramble about god okay uh i mean it's exhausting like listening to this is exhausting like it's it's like a weird weird over the top religious making making this political struggle that he's in the middle of somehow have like this spiritual apocalyptic armageddon connotation it's it's it's the sort of thing that you only do if you're gear and people up for an expectation of violence right they i just i really can't look at it any other way yeah i can only i i think of a i think

of what is it any any advanced technology or any advanced any technology advanced enough is indistinguishable from magic yeah like any behavior that these people don't understand is indistinguishable from satan devilry you know it's just like that person is doing something i don't know why i'm gonna go with satan and that's just the way that they fucking shut down any any kind of openness to separate consciousness but but the but the problem that i have with it well i agree with what you're saying is that it's also something that does not have uh like possible avenues forward with when you i don't know a lot of people have been making deals with the devil lately why can't why can't we get alex to make one well send him on down to georgia

based on his discussion of killing dogs right being recruited by satanists as a child we don't know that he hasn't okay so maybe we're in a raptor situation situation where mark richards by saying that the raptors are good guy then makes the raptors the bad guy because if mark richards think they're the good guy then they must be the bad guy so in this case alex calling other people satanists mean that we are actually the good people because alex himself is the satanist all right let's do this there we go okay no i mean like let's not try and disentangle this because i think occum's razor tells us that the easiest explanation for this is alex is in a severe panic yes and he needs to make his audience extremely engaged fast all right that makes sense

yeah so alex had solutions and marching orders as we heard at the beginning right and he's going to get to them later because he needs to make sure that his staff records the everything and releases it as a special report he can't even be bothered to cut something like during the break or after the show he needs them to record it he's like i need to focus real hard so he can make dual use of this time really yeah let me get to the solutions let me get to the positive news let me get to the big news here because i'm not holding back on this it's just that uh you are this is so big and we're holding destiny in our hands i know that if you as an audience do this and if i go out as an example and do this as well i know that we're going to turn things around and i know we're

going to absolutely put the globals back on their heels and defeat them that's right alex stretch we've got three hours to go to catch so so let me tell you what it is now go for it i will spend the second segment of the next hour that's 10 minutes long getting it all into one report because i need this to be concise i need to be laser focused and only cover this issue because i go down all these rabbit trails there's so much here to cover like the devil and it deals with everybody hitting the streets so at this point like it's all vague and all just like this is the solution we got to hit the streets and we got to be aggressive there's no sense of what he's talking about it could be like it could be protesting or it could be go fire bomb a globalist church

yeah now granted it's obviously not that much of a difference between the two maybe it's obviously not the latter but you don't know like you don't know what his headspace is and he's so excited and teasing this out that it's it made me very uncomfortable he's been taking some of barns law school speed could be so he's not telling us what it is other than we got to take to the streets and he's like i'm not i'm not teasing this all right i'm not i'm not teasing this i don't get butterflies speaking to a big crowd of people i don't get butterflies um you know trying to pick up a hot chick when i wasn't married or whatever i don't get butterflies about to get in the fight but when i see destiny and when i know it's in my hands and when i know

that if we don't win true evil is going to run absolutely rampant and it's our responsibility to fight as hard as we can and then god will take us the rest away when i know something's destiny well just like that i started sweating about five minutes ago as you can see if you're watching on television because the responsibility of this is so powerful and it's almost like if i just come on air and say here it is i have done a good job i need to drum roll and build this up with some ceremony because people won't think it's important unless i do that i scream about holy shit i scream about shit all the time to the point where everyone just thinks i'm crying wolf so i have to protract this i have to make it be like we'll get to it in the next hour but this is very important

tell your friends stop traffic because i have a diminishing return with my sensationalism i i we're going to get to this in the second segment of the next hour but i'm going to spend the final segment of this hour telling you all about how we're going to get to this in the second yeah yeah and also it made me really unnerved that he's talking about how he has butterflies and stuff like that it's like yeah that implies that there's a little bit of like trepidation about reporting this or suggesting this and it made me worried that like it is going to be something that's like beyond acceptable right right right i don't think let's kill a pearl i don't think it is like i i i don't want to be teasing this like this reveal of what his suggestion is as if to imply

that it is like let's go beat people up right or something like it's it's not like that but you gotta understand why if you're listening to this you you're like a little bit like uh oh this could be anything he's going to advocate his listeners do and then when he says something like this it makes it even more like what are you going to suggest because everything they've been doing in the censorship is to stop us from doing what we're about to do what what is that then start a phone sex hotline that's what he's saying right they wouldn't stop him from doing that so he finally gets to his solution here and uh my response to this is condescendingly very condescendingly i say oh alex what a suggestion you go to these events

you stand up like martin Luther king or mohammed ghandi or jesus christ the model of those men who go into the money changers own dens and who would expose the corruption of the system hahaha time for americans that hit the streets counter the leftist coup by bringing truth to their events our forebears are willing to fight an empire that never been defeated the british and win we don't have to physically fight we've just simply got to go to their events get up there buy the microphone and then start getting key points out about the globalists and about their crimes and about how they're trying to crash the stock market and the fellow reserve admits it and how they're trying to break our borders and how they're saying america was ever

great or how hillary and her corrupt server or uranian one of the russians or joe biden and his son and the four billion dollar gas company and the board of directors we've got all the points that we recommend you shout out at him or you can do your own all i'm saying is take action they've wanted us off the hear because they fear you taking action so his solution is yell conspiracy theories and uh democrat rallies go to democratic rallies and say joe biden yep and then the libs will be like no and how and have a list they'll be like hunter biden and they'll be like no and there's a list that alex is gonna put out of all his approved talking points so you can just overwhelm people with a flood of uh verbal diarrhea that there's like what is going

on great great you guys you guys won yeah you beat us yeah this is amazing like his his big suggestion that he has butterflies about is legitimately just go yell bullshitted people yeah wow wow that's so close to participate in local politics but and yet it's not sure you know it's almost like go participate in your city council meeting close this is such stupid shit but it's what you'd expect from alex quite frankly so he uh also it's not just like go to rallies he has further suggestions go to dc take your kids to the sites the smithsonian that's all amazing and then go spend hours teaching them real civics and how you take action and video it when you do it and then put it out and it'll cause a chain reaction we've done it before we got to do it

again so when he's saying we did it first of all also i'm shocked he didn't plug trump's hotel yeah when he's saying go to dc yeah right i was like come on come on trump hotel trump hotel you know you want to what are you what is he the ukrainian president he's not going to plug trump's hotel so but when he says there at the end we've done it before he's specifically talking about the bill clinton is a rapist contest yeah that he had where he paid people to go yell at bill clinton and hillary clinton events uh the problem here can't afford to pay people he's not paying people can't afford to pay he doesn't realize that was a huge part of the equation is that he paid thousands of dollars to get people to go troll those rallies so i don't know if it's gonna work out what a

what a ridiculous ridiculous man go we gotta yell all these things and pay democratic events and also go to dc bring your kids of course you're gonna want to see the sites and then also be like that's it that's the washington monument that that memorializes the time washington fuck this guy because that's how great america is it's uh it's a it's a wild suggestion oh man so i think like the overwhelming feeling that i have listening to this is like alex just learned about protests yeah like he just learned that this is a part of like he said participatory democracy right right up till this point had not realized that was an option like i don't understand why this is like i have invented the wheel there is send me money and boating right and then he found

a third one which is go outside he's doing great hey hey rob do why didn't you tell me about this i hadn't heard of it boss so a bunch of people get in the same place for what it's weird um but the thing that is how many bullhorns per person what's what's crazy about it is that like alex is still alex so he has to make like caveats that are like i think they're important go to sandy hook people's homes wow don't go to that would be a good caveat for him to have made a couple years back exactly but for now he has to make like a real disclaimer and i think it's a bad side go protest in front of facebook in front of google uh go and do legal and lawful things if you want to pay for a local uh airplane i mean you're talking a couple hundred bucks for them to put the words on

it no one's buying an airplane to get your info wars dot com banners but he's done that a ton he's like buy a billboard yeah yeah but he has to say legal and lawful and you'll see that's a trend that he has to keep reiterating don't commit crimes because i know my audience that's an assumption that i i i know that you guys want to commit crimes and unless i'm very hyper specific about do this legally and lawfully you might end up uh you know bombing the un like he suggested his audience might want to do back in 2013 yeah not a ton of not a ton of like you don't you're not watching mad out and at the end she's like by the way all of this stuff i've told you please respond to that no legal and lawful way there's an expectation they have of you're not going to think i should go commit

a crime after watching this show because you haven't uh primed the audience that way you haven't spent your entire uh basically career talking about doing illegal and unlawful things right so uh alex like i said earlier like uh the bill clinton contest that he ran uh it existed because there was money yeah and he was paying people to get on the news and and yell bill clinton's a rapist and even he recognizes that like it's going to be a problem this time back then i could pay people and i did a thousand dollars for each person that said bill clinton's a rapist and got it out on national or local television five thousand if you got it out repeatedly and it went mega viral i paid out three hundred thousand dollars plus jesus and i earned myself the absolute hate of

hillary clinton and the deep state now i don't have three hundred thousand dollars to do that in 2019 because we got trump elected that's uh a good way to spend it um i i think the fact that he doesn't have three hundred thousand dollars for this means that you're not going to get the same ad campaign you got last time no people were motivated by that also i don't like that you had three hundred thousand dollars for that in the first place i mean you got to consider i think he was way more flush that's a lot of money to be able to give away on that like he could have just done like a regular old ad campaign for a couple you know what 20 grand he would have been fine not as effective as buzz marketing because those people who are at those rallies most people

don't know that info wars is paying them to do that right it appears to be organic grassroots people who are yelling at bill clinton in reality it's people who are astroturfed being paid by alex yeah so it's it's a really um it's manipulative it's very it's very insidious the way that that's able to penetrate local news and news sources who aren't aware of what's actually going on and i think that alex value is that much more than like say uh this is paid for by info wars some kind of message right because then it's tainted the messenger taints the message right so the last half hour of alex's sunday show is just special reports he straight up just leaves he spent 90 minutes talking about how the democrats are the devil and how people need to get into

the streets to fight back and i gotta say i admire how he walks the walk i literally have no doubt that he left his show and got his ass out there it did some meaningful direct action either that or he met with some lawyers about the millions of lawsuits he's mixed up in currently one of the two i'm not really sure it could be either way it's a real sad state of affairs over at info wars here you have a guy who's yelling all day about how this is a pivotal point in america and human history uh and the battle it's happening right now it's good versus evil and the future existence of mankind is on the line yet he can't even be bothered to finish his own show it's little things like that that really provide a true glimpse into how sincere all of his ranting is if he really

believed a word of what he's saying he would finish his show he doesn't need to finish the show though because he said all he needs to say he did some extremist ranting he did some ad reads and let's just call that a shift plus he's finally discovered protests exist so that's a big development and i think it definitely calls for him to take half a day i'm not judging i'm just saying this is bullshit like anybody who is sincerely in the position that he was in would wild horses couldn't drag them away from their post right right right right just like anybody who actually liked the constitution would uh before impeaching trump right now you betcha yeah so we get to the 30th monday monday monday monday and alex doesn't want to read the news he's kind of in a weird

headspace it's hard and there's a lot of stuff going on i understand spoiler alert and warning this clip includes probably the longest pause alex has ever made your ipod or uh phone is not glitching there's just a very long pause here if i just get up here and chatter off all the news and really i think just becomes part of the background noise doesn't has it begun the pause president trump tweeted out a couple days ago on saturday that the united states is in danger of being in a new civil war alex is very excited about this those pauses are outrageous those are those are long so crazy so he has now found that uh trump is talking civil war and he

has pumped about it and also other people are talking civil war like russia limbaugh was talking about it's a cold civil war um a lot of alex's rhetoric is now like i mean he's been talking about this for a long time i give alex the utmost credit and by that i mean discredit yeah in terms of him being right that these people are sounding like him yeah no no 100 percent it's uh it's a hallmark of his uh rhetoric since at least 2015 that like we are in a state of civil war it's all under the surface it's spy agency it's a coup and a counter right right right right like all that shit is is is very much penetrating people who are supposedly more mainstream like rush yeah and the fucking president they're they've all lost their minds right yes because they

realized that well they can't they can't realize that there's nowhere to escalate from right what you can't go higher it than civil war i think that that's a problem other than like i don't know like death squads that's a problem and it's something that we're going to have to wrestle with as we go through this september 30th episode because it's that old hunter s thompson expression you know when the going gets weird the weird term pro the going's getting weird ruchland boss turning pro in terms of like getting on board with this escalationist rhetoric that alex jones employs yeah at the same time alex now has to figure out what he does with that when the rest of the world is doing your extremist bullshit what do you do and i think over the

course of this episode i'm going to try uh shift to a knitting focus that would be great i think you i think that actually would be great that'd be wonderful that'd be wonderful i don't want to go overboard and i don't want to get too out of control and say like alex is calling for anything well yeah that'd be wild if somebody was actually calling for a civil war like the president i i think we have to debate a little bit about what alex is actually saying on this episode and we'll get through that as we get through that but alex in order to build up to making the points that he wants about civil war he has to sort of argue that there's this force that's true it's the same thing we see in all eras of his show they're demonizing us yeah yeah

that sort of thing sure sure so there's a new netflix movie that alex is particularly offended about all right called uh in the shadow of the moon uh and here's his take on it that's some of the stories right here in my stack netflix movie depicts time traveling liberals carrying out pre-crime murder of patriots no to prevent america uprising against globalism in the year 2020 if you go into the show and they're saying you've got to go out and kill all the conservative leaders before they stop the utopia world government that's being built that's a highly funded highly recommended by netflix show with a star studded cast have you heard of this movie absolutely not first first things first uh this uh does not

have a star studded cast michael c hall is legitimately the only person in it i've ever heard of also this movie didn't have big backing wait michael c hall dexter okay all right according this didn't have big backing behind it this movie according to the director uh jim michael he wanted to have a theatrical release but he couldn't find funding since the movie would be too expensive for most indie studios and too weird for a big budget uh outfit also the movie isn't quite being adored in the way that alex seems to be pretending that it is the av club headline for the review of the movie is quote in the shadow of the moon is a sci-fi misfire roger ebert's website gave it two stars most reviews i've read said the plot is a little

convoluted and their use of time travel is iffy yeah okay the most important things here that alex is lying about what this movie is about it's not about time traveling liberals trying to kill patriots so they won't be able to stop globalism i know that's probably what it feels like the movie is about but it's not it's one time traveler for instance as opposed to multiple as he suggests and she's not traveling back in time to kill patriots she's killing people who are specifically part of an extremist white nationalist militia wait wait you're you're using words that mean the same thing to alex they might exactly she's not trying to stop them from being able to lead an uprising against globalism she's killing them because they're instrumental in carrying out a

giant bombing which leads to an outbreak of a civil war also that bombing doesn't happen in 2020 it's 2024 but who cares about the details alex is just trying to make it look like this is about man or whatever that's some weak shit on the surface it would appear that alex has no idea what he's talking about and he's just talking shit but if you know how alex operates it's pretty easy to see what's up here alex is so averse to white people ever being portrayed as being even capable of terrorist acts that when a fictionalized white nationalist group does a bombing in a movie he has to whitewash them as just good upstanding patriots trying to fight globalism the reality behind this is that alex deep down and probably not so deep down knows that one of

his first sponsors larry prat was at the rocky mountain rendezvous along with arian nations the clan and tons of extremist militia figures he knows that most of his anti-communist heroes came out of the failed presidential campaign of segregationist george wallis which also spawned william luther pierce the turner diaries and the national alliance he knows his heroes in the john birch society were fascists he knows that his primary source on bill berg worked for a publication that denied the holocaust which was run by neo nazi willis carter alex knows exactly where he comes from and he knows damn well that he's going to stop making money if he gets on air and says that he's mad that net this netflix movie made white nationalist terrorists look bad that's what

he wants to say because he doesn't think they're bad but he can't so he calls them patriots fighting globalism i resist calling this a rosetta stone since alex does that all the time but i do think that if you understand this dynamic and what's going on here it should lead you to question the broader application of his use of the word patriot i'll go ahead and leave that there something for people to chew on as sort of a uh discussion question for the class uh lest i get into a doctoral thesis about alex's word games and how he hides his true intention behind facades yeah didn't he have a take on 12 monkeys too didn't he i think he i'm positive he did he has a lot of movie reviews what about that one that ethan hawk was in where he was on rise before sunset before midnight the

time travel one uh probably where he was like a he was like a woman and then became a man quantumly trapped in a time loop and then kills himself at the end every time it's weird it's a good movie or it's not i don't remember are you talking about estin kutcher no i'm movie this is a real movie okay i don't know if anybody has ever seen this movie i swear it probably has it might not even be real so you've got this movie that is about someone traveling back in time in order to avert a terrorist bombing carried out by a white nationalist militia in order to provoke a civil war yeah and alex has turned this into a narrative about a movie about someone coming back to kill conservatives and patriots in order to stop them from fighting globalism right it's very very clear

what he's doing there yeah and also i'm i'm imagining that in uh in his mind if they bomb a movie theater what they're actually doing is fighting back because they are under attack i mean if the only the only reason they would bomb a movie theater is if the globalists had already physically attacked if pressed on the issue that's probably what he would say but it doesn't matter yeah i don't think it matters like in terms of the rhetorical no tricks he's trying he loves white nationalist terrorists so anyway that's about that movie uh then he talks a little more about it and you look at who owns a large portion of the production house uh the chinese communist government you see you can't make that up can you can you yes so alex is saying that the

quote production house that made in the shadow of the moon is a quote production house that's largely owned by the chinese government alex is just making this up i could tell you that without looking into it since he said quote production house in reality the uh the movie was produced in partnership between three companies 42 automatic and nightshade 42 is a privately held company meaning the chinese government does not own it uh it's based in london uh and in a press release in deadline announcing netflix signing a first look deal with 42 all the partners in the company are listed uh they are ben pew rory achin kate buckley cathly uh kathy king and josh varni all obviously fake names kathy king of course is a well-known industry pseudonym used by g

yeah absolutely and and that's just jim varni okay probably he faked his death urnis comes back from the dead he faked his death to turn the public against big tobacco yep um yep so what else you got nothing automatic is run by three guys who used to work at creative artist agency who decided to do their own thing there's literally no indication that they're even part owned by the chinese government uh it seems like just a production outfit nightshade studios is as close as alex is going to get but he's still way off but i say that only because a part of their mission statement is to introduce independent movies into foreign markets including those in asia but there's literally no indication they're even partially owned by the chinese government none of this

matters alex has zero idea who even produced this movie he doesn't know about 42 automatic or nightshade it doesn't matter because the reality is not important he's built up a narrative that the chinese government owns hollywood and they're using it to attack the noble patriots of america and that narrative has to move forward it's so crucial to protect the narrative that alex is willing to take a movie about stopping white nationalist terrorist groups and make it into a movie about stopping patriots from fighting globalism and then lie about the production house that made the movie being mostly owned by the chinese government in order to make it look like the chinese government wants to make movies that are about killing patriots yeah i can see why

he had to leave for the last half hour of the show man that is exhausting to to believe all that it would be it's work i know that this goes without saying but alex has so little respect for his listeners he doesn't hate hesitate for a second and saying that this movie was produced by the chinese government knowing it doesn't matter whoever's listening still at this point is going to believe him yeah they don't care it's a real bummer to stop back and think about the poor people that are caught in his web so let's not okay bye poor people caught in his web so in order to reinforce his argument about this netflix movie he talks about some other movies and they've got all these movies and all these shows like the purge and the hunt where the evil right wingers have got to be

killed the purge is a long series of movies that are just about uh laws being suspended i don't know if i want to even engage with that but let's talk about the hunk's extended metaphor of income inequality i think there's an argument to be made there let's talk about the hunt though which is the most ridiculous thing for alex to be complaining about that movie never got released because of right wing backlash and a tweet from trump to crying the movie which i should point out he had not seen that's really fucked up on his uh on its own but it's also probably not entirely accurate some reports i've seen have claimed that uh it was actually all the mass shootings that kept happening that led to the movie being shelved but it tends to get conflated with the right

wing backlash really easily i can't quite say for sure what caused it to not come out but either way the right wingers definitely tried to get it not released and that's pathetic because the movie is really just a retelling of the story the most dangerous game yeah i remember them describing the plot of that and being like oh that's the most dangerous game yeah and then the right wing was like they're trying to kill patriots and i was like i'm fine with this movie not being released whatever man it's uh you know the plot plot of that story is just that rich evil people hunt humans for sport yeah like in the most dangerous game right or the john leg was on the movie the pest or uh that story was written in 1924 and has been adapted into a ton of movies like the pest

or most notably surviving the game starring richard belzer associate ice tea oh oh shit i thought you were gonna say it started the bells and i was like the world's coming together man it's all one but he's associate ice tea it's a flat circle yeah the middle americans called deplorables by their captors in the movie the hunt are kidnapped and hunted by evil liberal elites uh they're hero they're the heroes of the movie they're the people who you see the movie through you experience their story and the audience empathizes with them it's literally their story of survival that's being followed the film was produced by blumhouse the same studio company that made jordan peal's movie get out peal has said uh that his intention when making get out was

to confront white liberals with their own contradictions he told variety quote you find the insidious qualities that white liberals have the gut punch of the movie is ultimately meant to say that racism is a human problem and the woke people know not to call themselves woke it's a pretty fair assumption to think that the same studio that made that might be interested in producing a film like the hunt where the audience is faced with the dehumanizing attitudes many liberals may hold towards rural people middle americans and conservatives much like my friends had about moose or l.a. montay in younger days from literally everything i can tell that's what this movie was about but because right wing media so completely out of control stupid and sensitive they refuse to even engage

with satire that's meant to bring people together and encourages liberals to explore their unexamined biases like it's crazy to me that this complete disconnect with anything yeah i mean the it's so reactionary and stupid i mean there's no other way to put it other than the billionaires won when it comes to the conservatives like the billionaires just completely destroyed any sense of reality they have like the billionaires fought reality and won for 47 percent of americans or whatever it is that's pretty that's a large section of that 47 that's pretty amazing they they defeated reality dan and in in some corners yes but i don't think it's all 47 i think no no but i mean there there's money and then there's dark wizardry and i think they've they've transcended

money yeah okay so alex also one of his chief things here now that this impeachment thing didn't go away after a day one of his things is preemptive damage control because he needs to instill in his audience's mind that anything that happens is a setup yeah any whistleblower that comes out and says something obviously that's a plan anybody who accuses trump of like let's say sexual assault that's all a plan right he needs to inoculate them to the idea that they're going to be some fucked up things that end up coming out and all that's just fake it's all made up they then turn around and say that when trump says you try this it'll cause a civil war that he's trying to invoke a civil war trying to intimidate them yeah all trump's doing is pointing out what's gonna happen

now when trump means a civil war he means a big bloody millions dead just believe me once the venera civilization peels off and once a shooting war starts there's been a lot of santa clauses that have been making lists and checking it twice and knowing who's naughty and nice and all the methad devil worshipers and congress people and globalists i mean he's essentially saying that he uh and a lot of his weirdo militia friends have made kill lists yeah of their enemies that once things fall apart and it starts there's gonna be some targeted assassinations being carried out by his right wing buddies yeah well naturally i mean that's just good tactics great yeah i mean whatever in terms of

great tactics fucked up completely fucked up on a radio show i know because it kind of encourages his audience that like that's what your own kill list smart thing to do absolutely and alex we've heard him in the past they find the globalist in your town oh hey there's a school teacher who teaches your nine-year-old and she said something about their being evolution they're pushing what she is they're pushing unesco education in order to indoctrinate your children oh man and what about the lunch lady what is she putting your kids food probably fluoride vaccines and fluorides in the food it's uh it's troubling i mean it's the sort of thing you just can't be saying shit like this even even if you're creating the pretense of like um you know we're not doing anything violent or

anything you you're you're preparing people to act in such a way uh that goes against whatever disclaimers you're making yeah and the the very idea that saying that the president saying uh if this happens there will be a civil war and that not being a threat or intimidation uh-huh that being purely neutral as just like stating a fact that's what mobsters do yeah what are you talking about yeah oh you're gonna impeach me well it'd be terrible if something happened to your country there's a civil war be awful yeah i think alex is uh he's uh mobbed up uh comments from uh 2015 are coming back yeah to clear sharp focus what a fucking idiot yeah i hate all these people so much so in this next clip this is where i think really we get to see a pretty clear picture of why

even if alex jones hides behind all this like i don't want violence all this stuff all of his words are meaningless like it does not matter because the larger worldview that he's perpetuating necessitates violence and you'll see that in this clip i hope i said three plus years ago we were in a cold civil war and it was beginning to get hot you can just type in cold civil war info wars dot com into a search engine will pull up dozens of shows and articles with that in them and i described it on a Richter scale of a one to ten i said on a civil war we're at about a three in 2016 that's a civil war inside the government inside the deep state and now we're at about a six in a cold civil war but when it gets up to a seven eight or nine

sure it then starts cooking off popping off and then you get a hot civil war based on what and i don't have any dreams or wishes for that i'd like to fix everything peacefully i'd like to stop all this but but hold on he said but the globalists are in a mad frenzy they smell their own blood their own piss and they understand that the clock is running out on them and that they've committed all these crimes and that they're going to be defeated and so like a giant squid trying to take its prey to the bottom of the ocean with it each wrapped around us like a face sucker from alien and is not going to go down without a fight that's unacceptable and i really think that everybody needs to carefully consider exactly what he's saying alex is saying that in the span of three

years the civil war rating has doubled whatever the fuck that means his imaginary civil war scale is a ludicrous trivialization of the serious topics he's discussing but i'm going to go ahead and leave that aside for a second what's important is that he's saying that this thing has escalated very severely and that if it goes up one more notch that's the shooting war starting bubbling over he doesn't want a shooting war he says and then he wants to solve things peacefully which is great what a relief alex wants to resolve things peacefully and then he says but that but is his whole career that but is the mask that he uses to cover up his extremist leanings he pretends to advocate for nonviolent solutions but after that but he clearly explains that there's

no chance of nonviolent solutions because the globalists are a squid trying to take the patriots down under the ocean and that they're not going to go down without a fight i'm well known around these parts for giving alex jones the benefit of the doubt when everyone was complaining about his battle rifles comment i was clear that i thought he was stupid and that he wasn't but he wasn't advocating violence necessarily he was more fucked up fantasy that he had where he got to kill people in self-defense which is super common for him i point these things out but i generally don't think that he's crossed some sort of larger line i think that last clip is crossing a line he's telling his audience that we're mere steps away from a hot civil war and there's literally

no hope of any kind of peaceful solution if you're listening to shit like this and you believe him why are you gonna wait for the globalist squid to take your children to the bottom of the ocean if you believe alex this is like this like is it the declaration of war is inevitable no matter how many times he pretends he doesn't want violence when you portray the supposed enemy as being a rampaging squid that will kill you unless you kill it you're advocating violence against that squid alex is probably totally fine legally at least according to rulings like brandon burg versus ohio which decided that the government can't punish people for abstract calls for illegal acts but i'm less concerned with the legal side of this i'm more interested in the moral and ethical

side what alex is doing is turning the temperature up on his rhetoric and that is a troubling sign when trump is referring to a possible civil war and people like rush limbaugh are following that lead and normalizing the idea through more supposedly mainstream right wing media alex has nowhere to go he has no reason to exist unless he's a little bit past the horizon and when the horizon is discussing a cold civil war that means alex needs to talk about the hot one this rhetoric is particularly unnerving on the heels of sunday's episode where he rallied his audience to get to the streets that was the solution like the solution to all the globalist meddling on sunday was go yell conspiracy theories at them and here on monday he's talking about a

civil war with millions dead being inevitable this kind of disjointed messaging this kind of escalation all it does is make it more likely that someone listening will be convinced that the war is coming so why the fuck should i wait all i can do is hope that that does not happen but if it does be very very aware that alex did everything in his power to make that outcome more likely that is all he's doing here and like i said i don't know i don't think it's illegal and i don't think you know i don't i i don't think he has any punishment that's coming for it but don't be naive to the fact that he knows that he's playing with fire he's playing with a gullible audience that's willing to believe clear misrepresentations that he makes about literally

just about everything yeah um and he's saying like the inevitability aspect of this is so like he talks about that all the time yeah don't get me wrong i'm not saying that this is a unique feature right of his rhetoric the idea that like that the globalists aren't going to go down with a fight or whatever all that stuff's all good and well we now have the president tweeting about civil war right right right the the climate in the world is so insanely touchy uh let's say is that a fair word to use uh i would i touch you touch you make sense it's one thing for alex to ramble his bullshit and say like we got to take out the globalists there's no way they're going down without a fight in times when like we might not be uh he's when he's out of step with larger forces yeah

when he's just being crazy and extreme it doesn't strike me as nearly as dangerous but when you are in a climate a political climate where like these things are being bandied about by uh people who aren't alex jones yeah you enter a terribly ostensibly more serious people you enter a territory where you have a real serious problem i think i i think it feels very different to me well i i think i think it's maybe better for him to do that i'm not sure in this in and let me try and explain my thought process on this um none of his listeners are going to start a civil war probably not they're not capable of it they're mostly probably out like very outside of big big population areas right 50 plus uh they're yeah i don't i don't i they're very disengaged

but some of his listeners may commit massive awful crimes uh even acts of terrorism based around the idea that there's going to be a civil war the thing about alex in this space is he is going to kill people he's going to get people killed but he's not going to be especially because now there's so much civil war talk he's not going to be blamed for it can i could be an info war sticker or it could be i watch fucking fox and friends right you know could i could i reframe that i i would say that it's more fair to say not that alex is going to get people killed but that he's going to increase the likelihood of that because i don't i don't want to draw a direct uh right causal relationship but the rhetoric that he puts in the world and this escalationist uh i apologize

right right they're all going to get people fucking killed they all that what you would prefer they're all increasing the likelihood they're all murderers i don't know what more i don't know what more to say i i understand the instinct to frame it that way right i i just think it's more precise to say that the way they're characterizing things and the way this is being discussed and especially alex jones like what it does is raise the tenor it increases the temperature and makes those sorts of things more likely yeah and if you want to express it as they're killing people then i understand why i just i i disagree with the framing only from a purely yeah i understand sentential uh standpoint yeah no i get you um so i mean like i don't know i just

think that i just think you can't behave this way i i really think that it's corrosive it's it it doesn't lead to anything other than whether it's increasing the likelihood of something terrible now or later that's all it does like what are you gonna do in six months be like wow we've reached an agreement with the globalists yeah there's no way back yeah you can't get home from here this is the place where you're gone and it's not like that's going to attract new viewers it's not like it's not like you're a minor but they'll be fucked up yeah they'll be super fun if somebody's like oh yeah finally somebody's actually saying let's go fight a civil war you're probably already listening to him or or you know maybe you're someone who used to

and then you got further radicalized yeah and then you're back into the cold yeah yeah yeah you know there's no point of this that leads towards health right there's no part of this that leads towards rapprochement yeah there's no part of it that takes you anywhere other than destruction whether it's the destruction of your enemies or everybody right that is or the impeachment of jefferson davis that's also on the table that is in the cart i've heard from a high level source so alex goes on to demonize his enemies some more and make one of my favorite classic blunders of his these people are psychotic control freaks and thomas jefferson was once asked what is come on the limit to which tyrants will go and and jefferson rightfully said whatever level you

will accept because there's no end to these people's depravity i love not a jefferson quote i love the construction though like someone just came up to jefferson hey man hey what are you up to hey anyways what how what do you think tyrants will do uh that's not a jefferson quote that's uh frederick douglas yeah and it didn't happen in an interview it was part of the speech that douglas gave against slavery which i should point out is an institution that alex's ancestors fought the last civil war to uphold so cool yeah uh but now thank god that those very same people who enslaved people are able to quote them and misattribute it to a white person in order to your instinct to lead us closer and closer to another civil war yeah yeah exactly what is he

cnn did uh did five white women start the the end of the civil war for christ sake so um again to reiterate alex is expressing that there is no hope of this being resolved there's no giving in there's no making deals with them these are a bunch of people who have had power for a long time intergenerationally who are who just don't know what they're doing and just can't stop and can't back down and they want to be caught and they want to be destroyed and they're just power man it's called megalomania so what are we going to do they're not going to stop they want to fight it's existential they believe they must dominate us they must absorb us they must mount our head on the wall to finally be successful it's a little pee pee syndrome i think you're smart

to play that music yeah get him uh get him a splash of water go go go get uh yeah i mean what you see is just like a very clear articulation that like they won't stop until we're dead yeah and if that's who you're up against you're advocating killing them i don't i don't i understand like i'm not i'm not saying it's a legal thing but just from a pure reasoning standpoint if they if for them to succeed their only motivation is mounting all of our patriot heads on the wall the obvious conclusion that you're driving people towards is they must be crushed they want to be crushed and you must do it before they crush you exactly which is so fucking stupid because the answer to that is yes you can make a deal you can i mean obviously alex can't but you can't when

they're the devil i i know but that's the point are you bob dillon historically we always do that's how is it that how is it that people don't look at south africa is it just a big like you can make a deal with the worst human beings on the fucking planet because it's either that or you turn into a god damn genocide machines and that's not how we should live that's not how we can live sure or i mean you see it like they didn't even take back all their fucking land from south africans right you know like a lot of the problems yeah it's it they should i mean that's also kind of a problem yeah they should absolutely taking all their land back i think we actually get into a touch of that here in this next clip because alex has this conception that what happens

over the course of history is that evil grows and then there are wars and then after wars people get back to goodness and god so he's doing this in order to normalize the idea of we're going to have to go through this war and then on the other side it's going to be great you just got to fight war so he's minimizing the tragedy and the horror that would come from people fighting in the streets let's say and i also think he's just wrong all right my friends when you study history you look back at all the huge wars and the hundreds of millions dead and the horrible corrupt evil groups that would rise up and try to take power and you would then burn across the planet surface like a plague of locust and then finally would be met sure then you'd have a new golden age once people had

faced down evil again they would get back to god get back to morality they try to change the world so uh you know i'd like to ask alex since he's a student of history as he says what the fuck war is he talking about so these in the middle of trying to facilitate a second civil war let's reflect back on what happened after the last one oh that's right the devastating reconstruction era with no that's when everything went great right and we just went back to normal everything was fine everybody the all of the slaves they were freed and then they got equal rights immediately like wham like snap of a finger with the gift of hindsight that's not a period i would call coming back to god and trying to make the world a better place black americans really

suffered a lot and the former confederates were treated with policy of leniency so actually alex might look at that differently than i do but then hey let's consider the two big world wars and the aftermath of those wars people did strive to make the world a better place kind of at least i would argue they did after world war one there was the creation of the league of nations and after world war two the united nations i would tend to see those organizations as at least attempts to make the world better and make human annihilation less likely alex however sees them as globalist plots to take away his guns so this doesn't quite work for what he's saying looking over the history of wars i don't think that his argument makes sense but it kind of feels right but like everything

that comes out of alex's mouth it's utter bullshit or he thinks the league of nations in the un were attempts to come closer to god one of the two yeah one of the two i'm not sure exactly but based on his own entire world view right the two biggest wars yeah in modern history have not led to coming back to god they've led to the league of nations and united nations right right which he thinks are attempts to destroy the world right so i don't know yeah i don't fucking know what he's talking about i think he's i think he's talking shit and trying to encourage people towards a fucking civil war yeah that's bad i uh has anybody talked really about like how impossible a civil war really is it'd be real tough like if it like one side would probably have a military and then everybody else

would be fucked i don't i don't think that it's a likely outcome but i do think that radicalizing people to the point where they would commit acts of urban terrorism let's say yeah is is possible for sure i'm not you know i'm not getting up here and saying that like that is what's going to happen but that can like construction of uh what you would call a civil war is more likely than uh the south and the north fighting no it'd be it'd be yeah it's more likely like a terrorist insurgency of like a million people and that's fucking it against the rest of america so one of the big essential pieces of this in order for it to fly is that alex needs to paint all of his enemies again as satanic which he's been working on since the 29th uh the previous day it's a very

major piece of this move he needs to make sure that you understand that everyone who you hate and who is trying to keep the patriots down they're all willing participants with satan and so he takes a shot at jack dorsi and this is kind of sad learn who sold their soul to satan very important report i put out and that ties together with his tweet from 2006 by jack from twitter making the good pasta reading through some amazing parts of the satanic verses the golden threads begin to intertwine no way how beautiful he is not talking about that sweet sweet no you dumb fuck god damn it jack dorsi

they sold their soul because they would carry out evil so you you already understand what's going on here uh the satanic verses is the devil it's a 1988 novel by selman rushdie title of that book is an allusion to a group of verses in the core on that some have suggested are not divinely inspired but said to be uh said to mohammed by pagan goddesses but the word the word satan is in there so boom alex is able to use it to prop up his dumb ass satanic panic he's trying to whip up oh man something that i find particularly interesting is that this tweet is fucking old news to anyone who travels in conspiracy circles and that's because it was already subject to intense scrutiny during the whole pizza gate affair since jack says the good

pasta and of course that's code for killing children oh my god i hate these people so much there's internet bullshit on this going back to november 2016 but the thing that i think is funny is that alex is trying to reintroduce this and use it to call jack a child killing satanist but also pretending he's not like those other pizza gate people who tried to use this tweet to call jack a child killing satanist yeah because of course in the present day alex is trying to pretend he never did pizza gate right he was way too smart for that right right right this is some sad shit right here this is the kind of skills alex is bringing to the table these days pretending that a very famous novel that got a fatwa declared on somon rushdie really famous yeah like even if

you haven't read it the idea you know rushdie not an entire government to try and kill him it was a big deal worldwide real big yeah and alex is trying to pretend that the book is about a satanic bible or something man you can't be uh these people like you understand like listening to this i'm jostling between feelings of real sincere concern about the escalation of violence and alex's rhetoric and his complete incompetence as a propagandist if anyone listening to this show googled the satanic verses they would immediately see that alex is either lying about it having anything to do with satan or he has no idea what he's talking about yet he's making it a big part of the information he's disseminating what i'm saying is i'm deeply concerned about what alex is doing but i also see

how easy it would be to get out of his trap uh you know if you were trapped in it because his skills are so completely deteriorated and i really sincerely hope that people are able to see their way back to reality because uh this is a this is taking the form of like a really destructive world view that he's yep and the the the ramping up of the intensity of it is not um it's not good i don't that's because man if that if you start a civil war and your guy is the guy who is telling you that the satanic verses mean you actually believe in satan yeah we're in full on like morlock territory we're past any semblance of of intellect whatsoever it's just bananas i think that there's intellect violent destructive forces i think there's intellect there but there's also

like people who have had hooks put into them by it like in emotional naive places i think i think that if people could escape those bonds a little bit that they wouldn't appear so stupid there's a gullibility that some people have or a vulnerability to this sort of attack that alex is is carrying out on them right right i understand i mean it's not that i mean the the morlocks weren't right they weren't like incapable of which you mean is it more the intellect is over written yeah yeah and i'll agree with you on that and they're just a destructive force i do i do think that's the case but look we're just normal humans humans we are mere mortals flesh bags sure obviously we did make our deal with the devil though so we're empty flesh bags we don't have the

gifts that someone like an alex jones has who i mean we've already learned that he's psychic yes uh and he talks a little bit more about troubling yeah he talks a little bit more about that in this uh next question i'm a very empathic person i pick up on people's emotions energy that makes this worse i undoubtedly have the touch as everyone has but i've got a particular touch too much the shiny here to tell you ladies and gentlemen that the energy level on the planet right now is explosive i've never felt anything like it it's hard for me to even be on air and i could tell you the deep state is making their move on trump this is a hundred percent real and if they're unable to remove him they're going to try to assassinate the president

i guarantee they're trying to poison his food hey we're back to food poisoning like two years ago he and roger stone said that trump's diet cokes were being poisoned with a slow acting sedative that's also addictive or something i mean you did see him speak at the un so they could be right just like two years late all of this shit is the same stuff he's been saying for three years now they're making their move they're gonna try and kill him it there's nothing new about this and that's the thing that i i guess maybe is more my point with how irresponsible this stuff is when the world is in a hot state of affairs not a hot civil war when when when tensions are really high yeah the same sort of things that alex does all the time take on completely different looks

they become so irresponsible in other times like go fuck yourself but when the when tensions are rising and the people i don't know it just i can't you can't take this out of the context of the time it's being said yeah and it makes it it makes what would normally just be like ignorable and like yeah go keep keep ramble and alex into like yeah you could you could get someone to do something bad with this kind of talk yeah the the guitar strings are very very very tight and uh you are trying to snap them yeah i guess that's a good way to put it i mean like if the string is super tight normal strumming could break it whereas normal strumming is just like yeah that you could you could put up with that in normal times no problem unless it's at a house

party and you're in college then you cannot put up with that get the fuck out of here dude so alex yells about antifa a whole bunch um whatever sure but uh he lies about the adl uh he says that they really love antifa in this next clip sure and that's great adl says antifa our wonderful people and anyone criticizing them is basically a nazi and that any antifa anti-images are hate symbols how sick of the anti-defamation league so that clip didn't sound right to me so i decided to check what he's talking about uh there's a page on the adl.org their website in the resources section titled quote who are antifa it's kind of a you know a description uh uh it's kind of yeah it's just a description that antifa is a word that's uh used

to describe a collection of individual groups who are connected by their willingness to confront extreme right-wing street action but it's also not all positive um from the page quote their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists but the use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious self-defeating cycle of attacks counter attacks and blame this is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive the argument or the article goes on quote all forms of antifa violence are problematic additionally violence plays into the victimhood narrative of white supremacists and other right-wing extremists and can be used for recruiting purposes this is

what you might call a middle of the road take uh far from celebrating antifa and saying that anyone who opposes them are automatically nazis or what have you what alex probably takes issue with is that the adl resists the urge to make moral equivalences between antifa even if you think their violence is not great and the people who antifa are protesting quote that said it's important to reject attempts to claim equivalents between antifa and the white supremacist groups they oppose right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the united states for many years they've murdered hundreds of people in this country over the last 10 years alone to date there have been uh there have not been any known

antifa related murders this is not a document that's celebrating antifa as much as it is recognizing that those individuals are responding to a real problem but the adl doesn't like some of the means in which they're doing so alex's main gripe is that the adl added some new entries to their database of hate symbols reflecting that certain things had been adopted by far-right extremists as a way to signal to each other the bowl cut an okay sign we're on that list as was the use of anti-antifa images the bowl cut yeah because of dylan roof his bowl haircut so so white supremacists are getting bowl cuts apparently yeah man they should go back to skinheads well cuts are hideous if i had to guess the reason that they added this anti-antifa images to their list of uh

uh you know their their their database uh is that the only people who really hate antifa enough to circulate images about them are far-right extremists yeah the adl argues that these images generally the antifa logo of two flags within a red circle crossed out with you know the slash across it it's just an updating of the white supremacist iconography that was used against sharps the group of anti-racist skinheads nothing about this says that if you don't like antifa or anything like that all they're saying is that right-wing extremists and white supremacists are using anti-antifa imagery as a means of spreading their message i don't think that's a debatable point they're definitely doing that that database of symbols doesn't imply that if someone is using

one of them they are definitely using it the same way extremists are for example they list 100% as being a symbol of extremists because it has become a shorthand for 100% white and was used as common slang among white supremacists that in no way means that the adl thinks anyone who says like keep it 100 is signaling that races shouldn't mix this is an intentional misrepresentation by alex in order to demonize the adl that is indicative to me of a lot that white supremacists have adopted a piece of slang that is 15 years old in the black community well i mean as a way of confirming themselves it's like it's a little bit you're showing your cards there a little bit well i mean if you look at the adl's list of symbols it includes a whole lot of things that are just like

the number 12 is included because one and two a and b if you make the letters arian brotherhood that the 12 right is a number that's like used by those arian brotherhood be like it's not to say that the number 12 is fucking racist well that's why i only use the word doesn't though right because uh i can't say the number 12 that's why i always go oh shit i said it that's why i always get a baker's dozen that is why but then 13 is probably a symbol too uh but the letter b is unlucky anyway look it's just there's tons and tons of things on that list and it's mostly just a resource to know like is there another connotation of this it's a very minor thing alex is just trying to attack the adl uh because they oppose people who are like him yeah pretty much yeah so he

he complains more about antifa and he plays like a special report about them and uh i don't know who this is who's saying this but he there's a clip of somebody saying something that's real like stupid i think we should classify them as a gang you know they come dressed in uniforms they have weapons they're almost a militia i think we need to think about that in terms of our law enforcement approach so we need to classify antifa as a gang because they show up to demonstrations in a uniform carrying weapons and are almost a militia by that logic i have some bad news about how we would then classify all the people alex likes who shows up to who showed up to demonstrations dressed the same carrying guns and are actually a militia i don't understand dan are you saying

oh you broke the rules uh oh shit dammit i've probably also already and i just didn't touch it yeah yeah well be that as it may right you can say that i uh i don't uh are you saying to me are you saying to me that somebody forged a sword that has two edges on it it's impossible this is but this this technological revolution is astounding and that's why this type of thinking is so fucking stupid they are stupid this argument is so weak i mean good luck coming up with a metric to justify classifying antifa as a street gang that doesn't also ensnare all of your right wing dumb dumb friends i have a metric right i don't ever talk about all of my right wing dumb dumb friends and only ever talk about antifa that's not a metric yeah i assume the metric they would

try and use is number of videos i've seen where people are yelling i guess yeah yeah and that's still not even a good metric i i don't know if i would go with the chanting either because that would once you start chanting then you got you got all the trump rallies yeah we're in real trouble there yeah it's kind of a mess uh so alex starts lying about trump a little bit it's all in service of the idea of like trump needs to take over control of the entire government well of course we do need a fascist in power otherwise my alex years and years of decrying government overreach wouldn't make any sense to alex is 100 percent oh uh oh that's a gang sign oh shit he is he is absolutely trying to advocate for and make excuses in case uh trump consolidates power yeah

yeah authoritarian fashion yeah and so trump comes in and he did fire all the lobbyist now he says his staff surely become lobbyist and run their own scams that's a big problem because just because trump won't do it and makes his own decisions it doesn't matter because the people under him are running all sorts of scams so a lot of them are bought off a lot of them are paid off a lot of them take money then they can be compromised and they're told you better go in and take out trump you better find some reason or we're gonna burn you and put you in prison and it's because trump's never gotten full control of the justice department that they're making this move right now because they still got some of their people in

their hand so he's got to take over the the the courts the judicial wing i don't i don't like this no i don't like this mainly because and we've described we've talked a little bit we've talked about this in the past but this is such a like alex has no backbone nothing none this man is a pathetic weak backboneless fucking jellyfish yeah and for all of his posturing it is so pathetic to see him do really all he's perfect and it's all of his underlings right there's secretly they've become after the fact lobbyists talking about grow a goddamn spine but he has to do that because trump does hire and has employed a lot of lobbyists and one of his primary complaints as we learned from listening to the time when obama was elected one of his first things that he said is he's filling

the place with lobbyists so since that was his critique of obama like it's a huge part of the obama deception that documentary in quotes he has to try and you know depict the reality of trump's administration is being like he's the opposite and that's not the truth at all yeah i remember being very unhappy with the people that obama put his administration in 2008 and then 2016 happened i was like man obama was very restrained according to open secrets the trump administration employs 177 people who hold positions as lobbyists currently oh how many people do they fucking employ 178 that's to say that they are both lobbyists and administration and that is fine that list includes chad wolf the chief of staff for the department of homeland security andrew

wheeler the administrator of the epa read uh read rubenstein the senior advisor to the department of the treasury patrick pizzala uh the acting secretary of labor and david bernard the secretary of the interior and these are all people that you want to have a active financial interest in the policies that benefit the people who pay them i'm not sure how this ranks compared to past president so i don't want to make any kind of statements on that uh front i don't know it don't what are we talking about it might actually it might be less than other administrations i don't think that really even matters you know like i don't like that there are lobbyists involved at all but the larger point is this what alex is saying is complete bullshit trump is absolutely hiring lobbyists he

has you know alex can pretend that oh some bad apples got in and trump hired them and then they went rogue and became lobbyists that's just such bullshit it's in the fucking transcript that oh my god it's just bullshit just say that he's corrupt and that you like it for god's sake yeah why not it doesn't matter everybody's still gonna think he's fucking the president of god or whatever just say he's a corrupt piece of shit he's a corrupt god you like making it making him a shit ton of money off his fucking i worship the corrupt god yeah that's what you want so with your christianity bullshit in line with demonizing antifa and what have you he's now uh making it so he's predicting uh at the joker uh the movie the premiers sure uh antifa are going to shoot up a

bunch of people and they're going to blame alex for it that's the thing they do right and hitting theaters this weekend ladies and gentlemen the joker about a guy living in his mom's basement who's the leftist washed up comedian who goes out and commits mass shootings and bombings and all the rest of it and i told you it's taylor funded to trigger mass shootings and two weeks after i did a big report on it the pentagon came out and said we've got intel that there are groups planning organized mass shootings dresses jokers real quick that's not what the uh warning said at all that was uh this is a complete misrepresentation of that antifa folks knows how to false flag and they've got mentally ill and ready to do it and they're loading their social

media with trump and alex jones support right now and they're gonna march into those movie theaters and they're gonna gun people down and they're gonna blame you the gun owner it's coming it's coming all i hear there is alex is terrified that someone is going to shoot uh people at a joker screening and they're going to be one of his fans alex is fucking terrified of that to the extent that he's creating a narrative in advance that antifa is doing this and right now as we speak they're faking their social media profiles to make it look like their fans and you know what actually they have been faking it for as long as they are have been on social media by the way so in case you find a post from them that's like i don't know 30 years that's like at the beginning

of 30 years old yeah 30 years old 30 a tweet from 30 years ago right yeah yeah same as well it's great an op-ed from 30 years ago exactly even if you find that that was all a plant dad right it definitely is something that's made up all that's all i hear there yeah that's all it's preemptive damage control because i think alex is keenly aware that the people who are more likely to commit an act like that are also more likely to be aligned with him and be a fan oh yeah so good luck alex i i mean i i hope that no one there isn't any i think that a lot of this is probably overblown yeah there probably won't be any uh problems with those premieres right right right um i think i don't know anyway alex believes that uh movies and tv's are this is a note this

is a fucking elaborate conspiracy he's got here i don't even know how to set up this clip but they know exactly what they're doing they know in all the studies that when you hype mass shootings it causes mentally ill people to go out and commit mass shootings and they know these are all trenchcoat wearing white male incel devil worshipers that can't get a girl texas the last three times trenchcoat devil worshipers can't get a girl ohio trenchcoat devil worshipers can't get a girl florida parkland trenchcoat devil worshipers can't get a girl sandy hook trenchcoat devil worshipers can't get a girl harissa clibald the original beta test trenchcoat incel devil worshipers can't get a girl and then the media hypes it and hypes it

until it becomes an option don't commit suicide don't have suicide by cop don't jump off a bridge go kill people in a school they're disarmed and the demon in them directs them to do it and then disarm the american people so the red terror can have its way with us in a full long protracted civil war where america finally has its will broken not gonna happen because we've got the jump on you we've got the jump on you ladies and gentlemen we're gonna defeat the globalists together we're gonna go to bright come back with some good news about everything they're doing falling on their face their minions being exposed from turdo to thunberg and then we'll take your phone calls but this is the big push by the globalists this is the big fight this is

history please don't forget there we don't have globalist or soros funding nope we're funded by listeners viewers like you smooth that bit yep so if you follow that the theory is the movies and tv's are high tv shows are hyping this sort of thing in order to precipitate shootings that are actually false flags in order to take away alex's guns which will trigger a civil war so the chinese can take over man i'm telling you the globalists really got a change their strategy because we're on how many fucking mass shootings in this is like a game of mousetrap in alex's mind this is absurd rub goldberg ass brain yep get out of here um so anyway alex this if there's anything that's as close to funny as we're gonna get um alex it goes to the coffee room uh during the break

and he has a realization oh god no i was down in the break room getting a little cup of coffee during the break and i just was standing there waiting for the coffee to finish making because somebody started a new pot and i psychoanalyzed myself that i was just very angry oh my god and i just had to say to myself listen you you're doing the best job you can't what is happening but then i really sat back and said no you're not we need to have people take action and we need to develop a plan of how to take action go to the street we need to all really do it that means i need to scan the internet to find out when democrats are coming to austin or san antonio or dallas or houston

democrat candidates and i need to go to those events and i need to let the democrats go crazy and make a big scene and have my talking points go viral yeah no shit why haven't you been doing that already like what his realization first of all is hilarious that he's angry we know he's angry yeah and then he reassures himself that he's doing the best he can and then realizes i am not i am not he's not doing the best he can that's the first true thing he said on this episode dan i've had no idea when democrats have come around the area and i could have gotten cheap publicity by going out and bullhorning them why the fuck have i not done that all this is is just about he got soft dan that's what he's noticing that's what he's realizing he's gotten soft back when i was a

young man i would bullhorn anybody anybody at the drop of a hat i would bullhorn the shit out of people because i was hungry for publicity and attention i needed it i needed it but then it just became so easy i grew this empire and everybody was paying attention to me in all the wrong ways and i didn't need to do publicity stunts in order to get attention but now i do alex you are not doing a good enough job you have to get back to your roots you have to get back to your roots you have to do the very basic minimum thing of knowing when your enemies are going to be in your state that is why we cannot have right wing people governed because they're so good at drilling you up with like the problem is this and this is a problem and we need to stop this problem and

and then when you get down to the solution they're like uh we could google it does that help right i don't have any solutions my job is not solution we already fucking saw that on the sunday episode yeah solution that he's butterflies to tell people is yell conspiracy theories ah get him great so alex decides that he's gonna take calls we're pretty much the rest of this episode on the 30th because he wants to know what his audience thinks we should do uh which is usually a bad sign yeah but here's how he sets that up we're gonna go to break i promise and come back with javon and brandon and josh and lillian and frank and jack and kirby and kim and peter and jack kirby is going to move the person to move the next what do you think about they're moved impeach trump are they

going to try to kill him what should we do to counter this because i don't want to just sit here like a spectator while history's happening don't just go to live democratic events and legally and lawfully take them over in a peaceful way and lawfully take them over what else are you gonna you're gonna pay for airplanes to drag messages around towns and cities great idea we've got to get the message out that we know the corporate media is a bunch of liars and this country isn't a civil war but the people running the civil war are anti americans that say our country shouldn't even exist and our president's bad for saying it should even exist but what are your other ideas what do we do now to not be spectators before this gets pushed into a physical civil war and we

wish we would have worked back when we had a chance to fix things peacefully here's the problem organized any of this the problem with any of this is i want to take suggestions from my callers about things like uh flying banners at uh planes and stuff how do we stop this before it becomes a physical civil war when earlier in this episode he already clearly articulated that it's inevitable well yeah so why are you taking calls on what we can do to stop what i've already determined is a necessary outcome because you gotta try dan it's your god given american duty to at least give it a shot you gotta try it's like the opening of it's like the opening of the wire man why do you let him play this is america you gotta try and i i don't i don't i think that this is stupid i

think this is nonsense oh everything that he's putting forth is leading you to the ultimate conclusion that there's going to be millions dead in a shooting war here in america and so what do we do to stop it i don't know let's go yell my slogans get me more press yeah that'll do it right there those sorts of things that are self-serving and i'm sure alex wants that message to be uh distributed yeah obviously of course but all of that is like it's rearranging deck chairs on the titanic like he has said the ship is going down well i think it's almost like he's he's like well we gotta have something to do before the civil war actually starts like we're really like it's taking so long the best case scenario of what he's asking for is like how do we recruit more

people on our side to kill people absolutely that's kind of all these he's doing but again legal and lawfully legally and lawfully take over the entire democratic hey if bernie is giving a speech and you're down legally legally and lawfully take over that 10 000 person rally i mean i guess what he's just saying is like detract attention yeah yeah but whatever just be a be a public dick be the fuck as streaking is what he's advocating more or less but what he's uh saying here i mean he just keeps repeating it but i'm gonna open the phones up now what do you think we should do how do we strike back legally and lawfully you know they're winding up more mass shootings to blame us you know they're getting ready to bomb buildings blaming on us that's to excuse the uh the likely

outcome of the rhetoric that he's putting into the world which is shootings and bombings right they're planning to do that to blame us but hey you can't blame me for that because i keep saying legally and lawfully yeah as if i have some reason to believe that my audience is inclined towards non-legal and non-lawful behaviors that's all that's going on here he's keenly aware yeah that's such that like hey while you're in the shower i'm not going to read your diary like wait what no this is the i'm gonna murder you politically no i mean like the legally and law you wouldn't think that you have to say legally and lawfully in the same way you wouldn't be like why did you need to say you weren't going to read my diary you're indicating exactly you're

indicating an awareness uh that your audience is a bunch of fucking weirdos right so um all this is sort of predicated on the idea that the globalists are that squid that's uh panicking and he's going to kill everybody sure and the reason that the squid is panicking uh alex has a theory about this and it's not a good one we need to get trump to do more televised address not just little two minute things or minute long things or 45 second long things from the rose garden he needs to absolutely let the globalists know that we're taking action and you know what he is they wouldn't be saying oh bar's a traitor he's compromised the attorney general must step down if they didn't know the indictments are coming trump did it he didn't blink the indictments are

there it's confirmed they don't have the deputy attorney general say no to stopping prosecution unless they've green led it it's done you want somebody to take action he's doing it and he's got all these cowards under him that are scared to implement it all these people surrounding him lying leaking blocking surprising at anything done all he can do is put the info out be stalwart and stand while he's surrounded just like him for this is far too complicated to get all the way into and it's a load of shit but basically alex's belief is that there are a ton of indictments on all these globalists yeah that are just waiting to go out that's the queue stuff right you bet yeah alex is now co-opting qanon stuff it is it is trump is cute or whatever it is they're doing

which is actually i mean like strategically is a good move on alex's part absolutely if but i they already hate him qanon already hates alex so like i don't think he's going to be able to like take over that space even though uh as as we've seen they're kind of losing it without their guide yeah without having q to give directions and such it's kind of uh a lot of the followers are kind of lost without a shepherd right and alex could step into that role if they didn't already hate him yeah i don't think it's gonna work but that is funny how how so many people who would describe themselves as rugged individualists are suddenly at a loss for what to do the moment a fictional being no longer gives them i i don't have posts on a message board to tell me what to

google anymore oh no um so alex like but it i think the most important piece is that alex is just like on qanon level in terms of this like there are all these indictments waiting to go and that's why they're panicking and that's why blah blah blah but i got it yeah and the most cute thing you can believe is that trump should give more public addresses right that's like you actually think that everybody around trump is doing everything possible to keep him away from tv because it's gonna be like the end of fucking iron man where he's gonna sit down at the podium and just be like i did it whatever i think stop me i think a lot of trumps enemies would like him to do more oh yeah please please admit to crimes you're going to yeah so alex gets just these calls

and uh he he wants to find out some solutions and here's one of them i sort of thank you for waking me up i do want to plug the products but i honestly think the best thing that anyone can do right now in this sort of hysterical situation is get a trump t-shirt get a hat go out there and represent no matter where you're going i totally agree even if you're going downstairs sorry don't keep going alex is eating you can hear you can hear he has a mouth full of something while he says going hard um but also yeah so the solution is just where trump merch yeah well he wants to both plug alex's products but also he wants to let everybody know to buy trump merch yeah i mean all right and that is absolutely not a corrupt god that we are

worshiping at all if our best way to support him is to purchase things that personally enrich him that is not corrupt whatsoever our god that we worship hey leaving that aside for a second like that's your suggestion yeah clothes yeah you are not doing it man no that's it look how are you gonna it got pepsi famous however that guy was how are we gonna avert the civil war hats hats do it okay so we've got screaming conspiracy theories at democrats yeah alex googling more and bullhorning people i guess and hats yes awesome the right is not just getting good at comedy dad they're good at organizing so alex the hat thing is kind of like i guess you could be overly generous to that suggestion to be like well what that would do is show congress that there is rampant support for

trump because of all the hats that is being overly generous yes you could say that because alex i think that he believes that that would solve an essential problem that he has and that is that congress is too weak congress on average are a bunch of cowards jim jordan's great you are and this is amazing a lot of those guys are great but there's not that many of them and you know the democrats sent a bernie supporter to try to kill them all with a baseball game remember that really really but there was one security officer there with a gun who shot the shooter in one second the guy opened up shot scalise in the hip through the guts and was down within one second if that wouldn't

have happened they could have killed a lot of those members don't think they won't fly a plane into the capital don't think they won't blow up a republican train when they're going to one of their yearly retreats remember last year it got blown up and the news just said oh the train got stopped no the tracks got blown up so here's a small point the shooter who attacked the baseball practice was not stopped in one second there was an approximately 10 minute shootout with him before he was taken down alex is completely making that up and in the process of that shootout he also shot a police officer congressional aide and a lobbyist who by alex's definition probably had no business being at a congressional baseball practice but oh well none of the people that alex

names were at that practice like jim jordan the only person who uh was there that alex has a lot of love for is someone he doesn't really champion anymore and that's rand paul jeff flake was also there but alex really doesn't like that dude what is true is that the perpetrator of that crime was a left wing extremist it's kind of illuminating though to see the different responses and the way people handled that news of particular note was how bernie sanders responded to news that the man had volunteered for his 2016 campaign he said that there were bad people on both sides right that's what he said this is the globalist setting me up he said that they that is a full flag he was actually a fault yeah yeah that must have been it right no they were blaming it on the leftists

quote i have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign i'm sickened by this despicable act let me be as clear as i can be violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and i condemn this action in the strongest possible terms real change can only come through nonviolent action and anything else runs counter to our most deeply held american values there's no attempt to pretend that the dude didn't work on his campaign there's no attempt to say that is a plot to make him look bad i find it hard to believe that alex would respond similarly if i don't know let's say a couple of his listeners ended up killing three people in los vegas back in 2014 nope alex thought

that was a false flag yeah yeah to make him look bad yeah also alex thinks that the shooting of gabriel gifords was a false flag meant to take away his guns so i don't think he has any fucking ground to stand on with this bullshit yeah as for that train situation alex is a real piece of shit what happened there was that on january 31st 2018 a train carrying a bunch of republican congress members was enroute to retreat in west virginia when it collided with a trash truck no one on the train was seriously injured but alex seems to forget that one person who was in that truck that was a hit was killed for someone who seems to pretend to care about humans so much seems to forget about a lot of them all the other people who were shot at the baseball field this

guy who died in the truck yep the national transportation safety board conducted a full investigation of that incident and decided that what had happened was that the truck truck's driver tried to go around the lowered safety gates to cross the railroad thinking there wasn't a train coming and they believed based on a minute by minute breakdown of the event that they tended to indicate that the driver was impaired this was a tragic accident which was immediately transformed into they're trying to kill the g.o.p as a narrative really quickly there was ultimately no truth to that at all alex's narrative is particularly stupid because there's tons of pictures of the aftermath of the accident and they've been published you can see that the

train is still on the tracks after the collision there it would be so easy to produce evidence if the tracks had been blown up and there's no evidence of that at all there's plenty of evidence that defends the version of the story that i have just told you the only thing backing up alex's version is alex said it yeah there's nothing true to this at all well he may have screenshots from video game that will prove his point or perhaps perhaps he has some uh snidely whiplash little action going on that's possible yeah um so alex gets back to his big plan to go yell at democrats sure and i'm going to be going out and confronting these people but i can't get up close like you can't and just simply hit them with whatever their corruption is what every democratic

candidate every operative every live show get in there take them over it's legal it's lawful what he has to keep saying legal and lawful in order to be like i did i would rather say that yeah but when you're saying it like this i'm going to go out and i'm going to confront these people but you can get closer to them yep that's fucked up it's fucked up because what is why why is proximity with their corruption why is proximity important if you're just yelling conspiracy theories at a rally well because you got to hit them with their with their corruption why is it why is proximity important it's not important because you need to hit them with with their corruption this is such you need to hit them this is such bullshit jordan this is like hit them this is

bullshit yep um that's bananas the twin fucking turbines of they're going to do a mass attack and blame it on us combined with the you need to protest legally and lawfully to back to they're going to false flag us and blame it on us to take our guns right back to do this but legally and lawfully is such a consistent like i am doing everything in my power to have documented evidence that i tried to not get this shit killed absolutely to not do this it's um it is astonishing sometimes you watch wrestling let's say you're watching a wwe event yeah and there's a bad match but you can tell from the way they're shooting it that it's clear that this match the optics of it are meant to be played

in a uh sizzle reel for something later yeah so there's like some image that's meant to be iconic within this even though the actual match is uh bad right right that's what i hear here when he keeps saying legally and lawfully over and over and over again that's for to defend info wars yeah and the off chance that someone gets up close at one of these rallies and does someone with their corruption right it's it does feel that way and it's it's particularly important that i keep driving home this point that alex is expressing that war is inevitable a civil war is inevitable yep this is not business as usual this is not status quo it's a hundred percent chance there's gonna be a bloody civil war what and it's gonna be dirty

a hundred percent they're gonna false flag and do massacres you've never even imagined and blaming on us i mean you're going to do the very middle of this country so we're up to the edge of the cliff right now and if you don't feel it there's something wrong with you let me tell you folks people better get on their knees and pray and then you better hit the streets and get active and i mean get real active and real aggressive doing what god doing what this is so fucking like like this is too much to the point of like does he know something like that's how fucking repetitive and i know i'm not and i'm not implying that he knows something but it's like you can't hear him say that and be so like they're gonna do all this stuff and i know what they're

gonna do and it's like how do you know something yeah it does it does feel that way and i think that part of the um the it it it's so suspicious yeah it's so suspicious it doesn't indicate anything like he knows something's coming or anything like that but it's just fucking insane how consistent this is and how weird like it it just i don't know i think i think i don't think he knows something but i think if you don't think for a second what if he does you're irrational yeah you know yeah like it's such a reasonable thought it's such a reasonable thought it's probably not true no it's 100 but you think about it and you're like what it actually i think illustrates and demonstrates is that alex is smart enough to understand that the trends in the actual world

are lining up and dovetailing with his rhetoric yeah in such a way that it's very likely that someone is going to do something fucked up yep and so this is preemptive damage control for on the off chance that someone does now hopefully no one does but alex needs this in order to protect info wars as a business as an entity yeah that's what he's doing here while at the same time continuing on in the same path that makes these sorts of things these tragedies more likely it's completely irresponsible it's absolutely disgusting um but i don't know if it's illegal now i'm not going to i'm not i know in your i'm i'm more than happy for the pushback that i'm going to receive on this and don't think that i think this is a true thing but there is a part of me that hears

him go on those like like when he's he's saying get out into the streets hit them get up close hit them all of that stuff almost it's like it feels like he wants somebody to do something no i because if they do then he's going to get a lot of publicity it's to me and and i i don't want to believe that even that he's that much of a psychopath so i'm not i don't think that he would do that on purpose but it really does seem like if somebody did fucking do something and they've got an info war sticker then info wars is going to be all over the fucking news and he already has the legal and lawful defense prepared right i'm not saying that he's going to do that well you already think there's a i don't think there's any way that he's trying to do that well on our last

episode when we were talking about the day of the boston bombing we heard him be like oh i hope they don't blame me wink wink wink yep so i don't know i don't think he would do that i don't want to believe he would do that i don't want to believe that he would and i'm not saying he's doing it and i don't want to believe that he would ever do it consciously and i so i won't i don't believe it there we go i've talked myself through it well one of the issues that comes up i think is that he's framing things so inconsistently like you expressed the um the jostling back and forth between uh they're gonna false flag us legally and lawfully go do do and i think it's embodied by this next clip it's a weird feeling because i i know how bad these people are and i'm really mad at myself

for not fighting hard enough and not doing enough i mean we're dealing with absolute pure evil and the way we've all just been desensitized and put in this comfort zone to live right next to it and then quite frankly i think about other options than info war and on every path with the brainwashing they've run that only turned out against us even though it's spiritually right at this point to physically remove these people from power what yeah i don't know how you can say things like that oh wow it's spiritually right to start committing violence against these people because they're so terrible but because they've brainwashed everyone so much if you do that it's going to be bad strategy yeah that's a completely irresponsible unacceptable

thing for alex jones to be pushing for so uh he goes to the calls i mean i feel like that can just leave with you don't need to comment on that too much that's fucked up on its face nope um so he goes to calls again and he gets a caller who brings up the remnant which is a sort of christian identity code for the not the people who will be left after there's like a big calling on the earth so not the revenant starring leonardo de caprio and thomas hardy it is not the remnant absolutely great role there uh the second season of bundyville that podcast uh as a really if you want to explain her on uh the the remnant is like the people who are going to be left over after the massive if yeah yeah and so this caller brings that up uh as and you can if you understand that

stuff you can hear the code and the discussion that's going on on that level and then she has a solution for what uh people should do and it's stupid also know that christ said god said that it would be a remnant that would be sold out to him but that's okay because he only needs a remnant that will stand up to this evil this evil has been this deception has been going on since the beginning of the time uh starting with kane and it will continue until jesus comes back again and so uh my suggestion um of how we can really make a difference different than fighting this war is if every single person that is a regular listening a listener to your show would commit to give just five dollars a month faithfully every month until uh this thing is over and again it's

not going to be over until jesus comes again but if they would commit to just giving five dollars a month let's say there's two million of us uh faithful listeners out there if you multiply five dollars times two million that would be ten million dollars a month that alex would be getting in that he could count on well i promise this if we get ten million dollars a month there won't be any private jets i'll be flying coach i could absolutely change history with ten million dollars a month so her suggestion is just give alex a shit ton of money that that's a plant that's somebody's family you know what somebody that works there that's a plant i really don't like to jump around on episodes but i honestly feel the same way yeah and here's why because later in the episode he gets

another call from another religious weirdo who has another suggestion of how to deal with the coming crisis alex you're you're a modern day apostle paul you're fighting the same fight he fought you understand as he did our real enemy you always every show you mentioned our god and savior in jesus christ as our only solution you should you're obligated alex to ask for contributions that would be graciously given if you would set up an organized way so that we your listeners millions of christians around the world jesus those that are conservative we would support you so there seems to be a real trend in these callers that are calling in of religiously basing yeah giving alex tons of money yeah and that seems strange to me he's getting in on that

televangelist money baby it does seem strange to me that there are he doesn't take many calls because he never does and two of them yeah are overtly religious extremists who are calling in and their main suggestion one of them is millions of christians should give you money and the other one is a more concrete all of your listeners should give you five dollars a month so you have ten million dollars a month yeah like it really seems like i'm not saying that they're plants obviously they are fucking plants you can't prove it i can't prove it i can't prove it i can't prove it but it's weird it i cannot prove it it's weird but they're fucking plants that's fucking come on come on it's strange no televangelist has their own fucking followers

being like and you well actually they probably all do who fucking knows these people are insane so that that second caller he goes on to say some other stuff um and i think it's it's interesting i know christians will be victoria and that's why you need us behind you we need to be giving to your efforts on a monthly basis a commitment a monthly based commitment to your ministry is that your dad and we will definitely defeat satan and his armies we've got the bigger army we've got the bigger stick his name is jesus christ and i might throw donald trump in there along with him those two guys can't be defeated so trump is on the level of jesus jesus and trump can't be defeated which is sacrilegious that's incredibly sacrilegious i really

don't think that somebody who was sincerely uh devout uh in their religion would say something like that yeah um and then also the monthly thing coming back up in that second caller it seems like alex might be trying to launch like a patreon clone or something like that something like that or maybe he's trying to push people to a subscribe star which as we know is not doing well right what they don't realize is there is a way to do this already and alex has talked about it oh yeah yeah of all the christians in the world wanted to go and give five dollars a month to alex's subscribe star they could do it now yep and they're not doing it yeah because for good reason millions of christians aren't listening to his show because he is outrageously

sacrilegious on a regular basis yeah and would offend anyone who takes their faith seriously well i mean again though televangelists do what they do so i don't think millions of christians really they're a little smoother give a shit well fair fair fair i would argue that they also most of them jim baker not included don't have as much baggage now jim baker has somehow transcended his crimes and he's he's very similar to jesus he did rise again yeah so i i just think like after being kept in a hole uh he was kept in solitary confinement you know there you go fucking a mess and i i don't know i don't know i i i hate to extend into things that i can't really even look into even if i wanted to yeah but i do have a strong suspicion that

both of those collars are not real college absolutely i think that when alex is getting on air and he's talking about solutions and how do we avert this civil war the idea that two people would be overt religious weirdos and they would both come up with the idea of monthly donations for alex which already exists it seems strange to me and i i find it too suspicious to consider definitely real yeah yeah yeah so alex has an interview with andrew torba who is the guy who made gab oh okay which is great anyway the two of them have a little bit of a bull session about how uh gab is now going to launch its own google uh their own uh gabel the right yeah i think it's called uh who cares yeah but they have a little conversation and i don't really care but they

say one thing in it that i think is worth pointing out and it's this you know a lot of these things this is scary right we have new york city this week coming out and saying you're going to get fined $250,000 if you call someone and a legal alien if you ask them to and by the way i totally forgot to cover that the last three days and i went and read it i thought oh this is a fake headline it says if our if our hate board of leftists decided any way and they gave examples uh if you kicky legals out because they didn't pay the rent $250,000 fine i mean i i think this is like the soviet union so this is a classic trick that's always played by aspiring fascists who pretend to be uh free speech activists yeah they do great with this they always misrepresent situations

where vulnerable communities are provided with protections and portray them as creeping moves or the state will punish you a private citizen if you dare breach their guiding lines about political correctness and in this circumstance an actual citizen an actual one so this is something that was done aggressively in terms of motions that were made to protect lgbtq folk notably the 2015 human rights guidelines released in new york and canada's bill c16 of 2017 they were constantly decried by right wing scam artists as being about a ploy to lock you up if you dare to use the wrong gender pronoun trans and non-binary people would immediately become overpowered beings who if you offended in any way they would send you to prison or the poor house in reality the

canada bill was about housing and employment discrimination and added gender identity and expression into the category of things you're not allowed to discriminate on in terms of public services but i want to discriminate this is the same thing uh with the new york guidelines they were about workplace discrimination and protecting lgbtq individuals from being the target of unsafe working conditions now here we have alex a noted promoter of white identity beliefs and andrew torba the owner of gab which is the place where bigots and nazis go when they get kicked off normal platforms talking about how new york has introduced 250 000 fines if you call someone an illegal alien what do you think this story is really about jordan um well they did mention

if you uh kick them out of their place because they didn't pay rent uh so i'm gonna go with if you uh give up anybody who is an illegal immigrant and kick them out of their place you will get if you're a fucking slumlord like that i mean more or less or is it giving people over to ice like you can't literally hand your fucking neighbor over to ice it's about workplace housing and public accommodation discrimination the new guidelines laid out by the new york commission on human rights mostly has to do with how if you're in a position like you're an employee or a landlord you can't treat someone differently because you assume they might be an immigrant for instance you can't ask if they're a legal resident because they have an accent

unless you ask everyone who doesn't have an accent the same question the same goes for discrimination based on english proficiency or anything that would any kind of stereotyping you might have of non english uh non american natives or whatever how do you feel about me saying racial slurs that's probably fine if you're a private citizen you're against it get the fuck out of here i mean it's already against the law if you're an employer to do that like i know no i was right i don't know that was the question that uh you would ask somebody and they'd be like i don't like it and you're like haha you're an illegal immigrant uh the document also clarifies that quote the use of the terms illegal alien and illegals with the intent to demean humiliate or

offend a person or persons in the workplace amounts to unlawful discrimination because of course it does right right right in terms of the housing portion nothing alex is saying is real at all these guidelines don't say in any way that you can't evict an undocumented immigrant even if they don't pay rent that's bullshit that sure does seem like it would go in the face of uh literally everything i've ever known about anything right alex is trying to create the perception that people like undocumented immigrants are above the normal rules that his brave and noble white friends are subjected to because it helps to feed his victimhood complex without which he wouldn't have ever made a dime on this show the guidelines clearly lay out ways that tenants

of any documentation status or nation of origin can be evicted if you're a landlord you just can't try to evict someone by intimidation for instance by threatening to call ice this extends to ignoring tenant complaints or attempting to intimidate tenants into not complaining about property issues by implying or threatening to call ice on them here's how i know that alex and torba are gigantic bigots if they weren't they would be discussing these guidelines as they actually exist instead of trying to create straw men to attack they know they can't do that though because to oppose these guidelines is to advocate that employers and landlords should be able to demean their employees and create abusive working environments just because they think they're

undocumented immigrants they would have to advocate for like a legitimate systemic racism and xenophobia where if you weren't a white person you just had to suck it up and live with whatever shit people in positions of authority did to you and here's the thing they do want to advocate for that it's the situation they want to have in the world but they're smart enough to know that if they came out and made those arguments sincerely they'd run the risk of being seen clearly and then this whole facade of free speech disappears and donations from non-race it's completely dry up i was going to say if we want to take uh the lawsuits that alex's own former employees have sent against him sure regarding his treatment of them is like yeah he does want to be

able to threaten and bully people with whatever bullshit he wants to and create unsafe working environments for minorities and women yeah so what they do is they try to find a way to attack these guidelines without making it look like they're really just want non-white people to have no protections in society they create the straw man that this is about destroying free speech and if you some random white man on the street call someone an illegal alien you'll be fined a quarter million dollars but but but i'm a white man and just like that they can turn their audience his opinion against these human rights protections without having to say why they really take issue with them this is one of the very elementary tricks alex does all the time and it's often

appealing uh to pretend that he's just stupid and he doesn't know what he's talking about he hasn't read the statute blah blah blah but this pattern is too consistent he knows what he's doing and what he's doing is whitewashing attempts to attack societal protections against systemic harassment and abuse of non-white persons and he can go fuck himself yep this is all just coded white supremacy that he is uh expressing so but in this next clip yeah we get back to the violence non-violence dichotomy that alex is putting forth on this episode these people know we're kicking their ass and they want full control for authoritarianism you think stuff's bad now i'm physically in total fight mode i'm not gonna do anything physical but intellectually

my brain has done the math i've looked at it and i can't help my brain now not going into combat mode doesn't mean i'm gonna do anything i'm not they're starting combat mode because they're losing the info war but i'm here to tell you folks i've been on here 25 years and you could take 25 of the years they don't compete with what's happening now energetically who i mean that clip was 35 seconds long and twice he had to make clear i'm not gonna do anything yeah that's not a good sign now that means there's a problem yeah that that's like a complete admission that your show has a problem and that is that if you don't say twice in 35 seconds i'm not gonna do anything people probably gonna assume you're saying you're gonna do something yeah that's bad yeah yeah it shows

the show reputation this show is bad even by alex's own behavior that it implies an awareness that this show is bad yep so alex and andrew torba they get to talking about how people who are against racism are actually the racist ones yeah yeah yeah yeah you know some of the people that project you know anti-racism or social justice ironically end up being the most racist people i've never heard the n-word until i was in college and i went on road trips and and the northerners are great most wonderful but i mean that's when i heard n-word and stuff was in the north and i mean people think the south gets your ass killed doing that man i mean people play games down here i mean i never heard anybody talk bad about black people i mean you know because we're christians and we

don't put people down to make ourselves bigger and it's just this idea the south's a bunch of racists is a load of crap i mean it's fair that maybe some people uh are definitely far too stereotyping of southern people and also far too stereotyping the other direction of people in the north right right i think that's a very fair point although i do not believe for a fucking second the story that alex is telling no uh i didn't even a little bit i didn't hear the n-word until i went off to college and it was northerners jeez like just i imagine he was like what is he he's sipping tea around there yeah yeah oh my word i've never heard such language oh i nearly fainted at the site i get the vapors when i hear someone say a racial slur now i must prepare for my debut

to a ball i wish you good day such bullshit i can't i can't do a show without somebody coming up to me afterwards looking both directions and being like how do you feel about uh jokes like and then insert minority you know all this is in service of is trying to malign anybody who uh is against racism yeah yep so congratulations yep in the same way that if you're uh you know let's say aggressively anti anti fascism yeah it implies that you might be pro-fascists i hate anti fascists in the same way if you're trying to make sport of demonizing people who are anti racist it implies that maybe you have a kinship with racists yeah yeah yeah it doesn't prove it no but it implies it this is this is not a good jeff fox worthy bit no and this next clip doesn't help any of the

feelings that i'm having about these two dudes clear i mean if you're a christian if you're a straight white male if you're um you know someone who's off the plantation or the democrat plantation or thinking for yourself or you know you're gonna get attacked you're gonna get smeared and we are the great oppressors but you know the reality is is that uh we're the ones that are speaking the truth right we're speaking truth to power um and we're winning and again like i said earlier we have god on our side so no matter what happens we we can't lose but so that's a pretty uh light identity dude we've got coach taylor clear eyes full hearts clear eyes racist hearts can't lose yeah i mean so fucking that's uh i mean he's he's expressing that you know you know christian

straight white men we're you know we're always painted as the oppressors but we're the ones speaking truth and we're winning right cool good conception what we're actually mad about is that uh we have to deal with uh uh you know not being uh worshiped every single day and it's like oh that's so hard and we have to i just want some slaves and i have just that big a deal and i have to spend all this time coming up with ways to argue against human rights protections for people and make it look like it's actually about oppressing me yeah i think i think if you had like white men are like the nc double a of uh racism they're like oh no if you do anything sure we're making billions of dollars off of unpaid labor but no how dare you it's all about it's all about

we're the victim if you have real complaints you wouldn't have to go out of your way to misrepresent this uh this protection for uh folks in new york like you just wouldn't do stuff like that you would spend your time on valid criticisms you wouldn't misrepresent a netflix movie you wouldn't spend half of one of your shows talking about bob dillon selling his soul to the devil you wouldn't misrepresent a jack dorsi tweet from seven years ago about a fucking selman rush d book you wouldn't do any of this stuff if you had real complaints this is all misrepresentation in service of justifying the victimhood status that you have which only serves to justify why this inevitable civil war is coming and you're right for it uh that's all that's going on yeah now alex

in these last two clips that i have i think that these are bad and they're again coming back to this violence non-violence uh back and forth um and i think that alex is trying to convince people whether he's making the argument clearly or not that uh non-violence is not an option i'm just so wound up right now i know you are as well this is it they're coming they're climbing over the damn parapet they're coming they're coming they're coming it's not a question now they're going to try to remove trump they're going to blow up federal buildings they're going to do mass shootings okay just get ready i guarantee you it's all happening just get ready and you can see it and you know it and there's no doubt about it and i'm just going to

tell everybody if you climb under the bed they're going to dig your ass out of there we're going to ride out we're going to face these people politically and we're going to have victory the likes of which we've never seen if you hide out they're going to get you you can't hide you can't hide there is no opting out jesus yeah so he talks he said that everyone's got to go to dc earlier in the show yeah and so he gets back on that theme a little bit and listen to some of this language here in this last clip because i think it's just by we have to swarm dc but instead of always swarming you know the mall and then nobody covers it the halls of the senate in the house you go right through you go right to their damn offices get in there and get in their faces in a legal

and lawful way again it's just constant it's just constant man he needs to constantly say don't worry any more guys guys guys guys guys i'm serious i know that everything i'm saying about how they're the literal devil and that they're going to try and kill or not just try and kill us they will commit extermination against the great noble white christian patriots of this country if left to their own devices i'm saying don't commit any crimes yeah everything i'm saying my entire worldview everything i'm screaming about leads you to the conclusion that these people must be destroyed politically i mean that's we're in we're in literary device territory now where it's like you're by by turning legal and lawful into a refrain you're turning it into a winking

aside that you don't want legal and lawful activity i mean that's an argument that you could make i think that's that's fucking that goes back to interpreting pride and fucking prejudice i think that that's that's how language fucking works i think it's an interpretation that you could you could pretty easily support i mean he's no jane austin that's true certainly not i think i think that i think that there's all sorts of interpretations you could make of this and none are very good but i mean the bottom line of this is i don't think it's illegal but like one of the things that i feel so like i don't think that this is a good episode of our show even because i think that there's so much like on alex's part that i don't

think that there's much to deconstruct outside of like well here's what he's saying right at the same time i think this is really important because what he's saying is leading towards a negative outcome yeah so i hope nothing happens i sincerely hope nothing happens that is a national tragedy but should something happen alex his entire career at this point in 2019 exists to normalize that to make that more likely yeah and he can say do things in a legal and lawful way all he wants it doesn't amount to a hill of beans because the overriding peace and the overriding sense and the feel and the rhetoric everything else is a contradiction of that he can say that to keep himself in legal safe territory or to defend himself should something bad happen but it doesn't

matter that is not what his show is about legal and lawfully go and yell conspiracy theories at politicians that's not what this is about now the only reason this is legal is because of the vagueness of the english language and brandy bird versus ohio well you know legal rulings that have said like abstract calls for crimes are not illegal right right right but this is yeah i don't know this is just this is just insane yeah it's just insane and that's why i i tend to try or i'd like to i i intend to usually stay away from like is this illegal because i think it's a pointless argument yeah i think it's this should be illegal i agree with you there specifically i agree i don't know about the larger wider reaching effects on the first amendment but if if this specifically

let's start with this i i think that uh you know it's an interesting discussion and maybe the court should take it up yeah but at the same time it's a secondary argument to is this ethical and i think it's absolutely absolutely not and the only outcome of this can be making it more likely the terrible things will happen right and so um i don't know fuck this guy yeah yeah very much yeah anyway i wanted to do a wacky wednesday episode yeah well you did it i didn't yeah i want to do wacky wednesday episode i know it's been way too long since we talked about space weirdos and had something that was a little bit lighter and a break from this shit is i think we definitely do need it but it's such a bad timing of of coincidence that the 2013 episodes are at this like really

high tension point yeah and at the same time in 2019 we have just crazy bullshit going on i promise we will get back to uh more frequent uh breaks and uh and diversions but we just can't there's you do realize this is returning back to territory wherein you are a witch in that so often in the present day we talk about something and then the past it comes up or vice versa currently all but both in 2013 our investigation is coming to a head and in 2019 the world's end is coming to a head it like it's the world's end might not be no i know but their crescendo of both is so alex's rhetoric feels like it's coming to a head yeah certainly it's incredible it's insane i don't know what to say about that you're a witch i'm not admit to being a witch i'm not like alex

i don't pretend to have the the the second site yeah but i do admit that we have a website and we'll be back on friday it's uh knowledge fight dot com you're right we're on twitter we are on twitter is that knowledge underscore fight go to bed jordan yes we're on facebook we are on facebook if you would like to download the show please go to itunes or wherever podcastual applications are found uh download the show really have a review we would love it sure thing we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i am time traveling and tifa andy and chansas you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you