Knowledge Fight - #351: Jordan Takes The Wheel 2

Episode Date: October 4, 2019

Today, Dan needed a little break from Alex Jones, so Jordan takes over the show to continue his crusade against climate change denial. In this installment, Jordan tells Dan about a couple recent segments on Fox featuring one of his arch-rivals.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying me are the bad guys knowledge Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Jordan. I'm Dan This is a podcast where we like to sit around and drink some novelty beverages and while we're at it We like to talk a little bit about Alex. That's right. We do Jordan Jordan damn Jordan What is the first time you ever felt achievement? Ooh, the first time maybe you want to race as a youth I know this little league crazily. I know this specifically it popped directly into my mind

And I will tell you what it is Dan. What's that? Dan were you ever part of the book? It's program You don't get to ask me a question My question well, that's where what I'm doing. I understand. That's a rhetorical technique. I was I was a part of bucket I remember in first grade when those like personal pan pizzas. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I won in like one week I Won eight personal pan pizzas. That's too much. I just I just went all out I don't think I read a book again for like six months But one week I read all of the books and that was the first time that I truly felt like I had achieved something

Taking that first bite of a personal pan pizza. That's how you soothed All your wounds from the rest of the class kicked your ass exactly. Yes, nerd. You are correct I was I was looked at with with just absolute disgust I did when I had that like I read so much that it sort of embarrassed the rest of the class Yeah, and I remember it brought me to tears the The book at program so that was not a sense of achievement for me as much as it was a shame About accomplishment. So I had I had one saving grace which was that in my class. There was another Woman a woman. It was first grade. So she was a woman by now

Now she's a woman and She had always read more books than everybody else She was like famous in the class for being famous that person in the class everybody knew sure everybody knew the whole school Dan and I kicked her ass that week. Wow, so that was that was a big deal people didn't Week you think she going easy on you. No, she had like six. Okay. Yeah, it was serious But yeah, they're probably like, I don't know Ramona Quimby Yeah, yeah about Cam Jensen. I was I was all about the Red Wall series

Sure, 300 page long books. All right. That's what I was up to that's too much But those are easy to read those those are you and your youth? No, it's fine. It's fine But Dan yes today today something that isn't easy to read. Okay. That's the best transition I got for you That's not bad is What we're gonna talk about. Yeah, so what we've got here is Jordan you're taking over this episode That's the plan and to give people a little bit of context of why it's like, you know, listening to the present-day stuff I was thinking about doing another Friday episode for Friday about Alex's Intensity in the present day, but it's very similar to what we talked about on Wednesday

So I felt like it would be kind of repetitive and not really serve anyone's interests all that well and simultaneously I thought it would be kind of abusive to go and do another Boston bombing episode Yeah, that keep going through 2013 two episodes like that in one week seems like a lot Yeah, and then you know some of these wacky Wednesday folks aren't bringing it There's nothing really good over a project Camelot land Reverend Manning. I don't really think I think we can never I think we got to the bottom of that guy I think we can let that one go coach Dave's boring as shit a lot of these other candidates just really aren't all that interesting Someone like a Steven Crowder, you know, we can't do an episode about him. No interest. He's joking. Yeah, quote

Uh, I considered a number of these overt, you know, white supremacist type YouTube thing like the right like president sure But those things aren't really all that in our wheelhouse to talk about because they are overt right with what they're talking about All right, it's it kind of takes away a little bit of the shine if you're like, hey, you guys are being raised It's like you bet. Yeah. Yeah, we love it. Okay. All right Well, that kind of invalidates our criticism a little bit. Yeah, so it's tough and it felt like this is the perfect time It's been far too long. Let's get back into letting Jordan take over and see in what happens It's the one day of the year Dan remembers my job is actually difficult. I think I will relearn that once again

Well, we'll find out. I don't know anything about what you're gonna do I know except I have a hunch that it'll be probably surrounding one of your big picadillos Well, as you know, I I have two main issues First I am very passionate about climate change and red and second I am very passionate about choosing weird weird people to hate forever. Yeah, for instance Why do I hate Connor Friedersdorf so much? Well Partially because he validated you by getting into a Twitter fight with you in all Hey, I have been fighting a Connor Friedersdorf for years. Yeah, but he just responded to you

It was lovely to call him a dumb dumb to his face. That was one of the more surreal things ever the sort of TV talking back Yeah, who was watching on Twitter as that unfolded. I'm like, oh Jordan is He's uh, not wilting from this Throat punches right back at this nationally syndicated columnist. What are you what are you gonna do? I don't know. I'm gonna be what am I gonna back down to his Yeah, yeah, I got him and then of course The combination of both of those things Insignificant weirdos to hate and climate change is my biggie boogeyman Mark Moreno

He is a giant piece of shit that that was certainly what you went over on the last time He took over the show and now I aim to prove that we never and not just we No one ever needs to speak to Mark Moreno ever again That's very exciting and we'll get to that proof in just one moment First we got to take a moment to say thank you to some people who signed up and are sporting the show So first of all Thomas, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk Thank you Thomas. I had a buddy named Thomas that I always used to call Tomas and it really really pissed him off I won't do that to this very kind donor

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I'm a policy wonk. Crocky mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt boogie on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why you pimp so good. My neck is freakishly large. I declare Info war on you. Thank you so much Danny and Josephine. Yes. Thank you very much If you're out there listening and thinking hey, I like this show with these gents do I would like to sport it You can do that by going to our website knowledge fight calm buttons that sport the show We would appreciate it. Oh It's all you buddy. Well Dan today, we're gonna talk about Mark Moreno

He wound up on September 23rd going on this news of this year Wow The same day that Greta spoke to the UN Greta He was on both Fox and Friends and Fox Business sure as counter-programming that makes sense And we're gonna talk about his interviews. Do you mean to tell me that Fox News didn't just call Lord Monkton? No, it's a surprise, right? They might as well But before we get to those interviews, Dan, you're gonna have to play this out of context drop. All right If we can go to Walmart by a solar panel get off the grid we can stop this nonsense about the Green New Deal All right, that's my favorite favorite quote well

I mean is he expressing that if we all went to like renewable energies, then we wouldn't need a Green New Deal Okay, he is just saying that as a sarcastic aside is just like sure they say that we need renewable energy And it wouldn't be lovely if we could all just go off the grid and burn down pipelines and shit Then we can stop the Green New Deal and it was just it was just absolutely surreal. Okay to listen to that so He shows up on Fox and Friends first because it is the morning show naturally and it is filled with the Type of dum-dums who are gonna allow him to say absolutely ridiculous things talking about the deuce I am talking about Steve Ducey. I'm talking about Brian Kilmeade and I am talking about

Whoever else they have on that show sure But the thing about him is if you are booking him in 2019 you know exactly what he's going to say and it completely invalidates your show He has nothing new to add. He has nothing that hasn't been debunked a million times Uh-huh He is not referencing anything that he has not no ground breaking information that Marino's bring into the table decade All right for a decade So you you put him on your show for one reason and one reason only and that's to spread climate denial propaganda

That's it And if you put him on your show, it's an admission of guilt that that is what you are trying to do Okay, because god damn it if he hasn't I mean, it's it's ridiculous But this time he has one wrinkle He has done some man on the street interviews, Dan Oh, you know how we love man on the street interviews. These people are so convinced that those mean something. Yeah, I know it's it's wild That it's so you find it in so many different places, you know like I mean I guess Fox News and infor is aren't too far from each other

spiritually at least But yeah, that idea that they're just like, you know what we asked seven people on the street and edited together three of their responses Boom did it. Yeah, we win. That's weird, right? They're supposed to be news Here's the weirdest part or at least this I don't think this is weird I think this is brilliant as far as strategy goes Unlike so many other man on the street interviews where the idea is We're gonna catch these people who are uninformed We're gonna edit together to make it look like all these climate people are fucking stupid. We took care of that

They did something Really really I think smart which is they got all these kids to say 100% true and accurate things And they did it well Every one of these people nails it every single thing they say is correct And it's just like we talked about where they're going for your strength to make like they're attacking you on the strength They're not trying swift boat. Exactly. They are swift boating. They are not trying to make these people look stupid They're trying to make their ideas stupid because they're coming from children. Ah, that's their plan So here's our first interview. This is the first thing that they play

You like Greta over Trump? she She's helping make the world a better place By helping clean up the environment by trying to help clean up the environment Make sense. Yep, both of them nailed it that one girl is About like eight years old and then the other one looks like she might be related to her But nobody knows cuz she just hops into frame and photo bombs and she's just like I guess what they argumented from that clip that I can gather is sort of like

Just the idea of like if you believe this you agree with children. Yeah, it's like hey, man Children are sometimes right about things like chicken fingers are great. Absolutely, you know Universally children aren't wrong about everything There are reasons for believing that what they believe that I agree with might be Different like we might have different paths to a conclusion, but I love chocolate, too, right, right. I don't know why it's all food stuff We're recording around one so you know Because I have a baby mouth, but but still you have a what a baby mouth What is a baby? I've never heard that term before it's something like it gets yelled at me by friends a lot

Cuz I don't like a lot of foods That's what they say. Yeah, you got a baby mouth. Oh, I always heard you're a picky eater Well, I mean that's basically what it means, right? Yeah, I prefer baby mouth so much of it. It comes down to con The texture of the food for everyone out there is curious. I don't like like like tofu right get it the fuck away from Cannot chew that right disgusting. Yeah I've made my peace. I mean kids agree on that too and that Credit is better for the climate than Trump easily That's the that's the insidious nature of it though is that they want you to associate look at how silly this girl is

She's jumping and screaming and Trump's doing the exact opposite But if you took all that just the same exact words that those kids said uh-huh and put them from some random talking head on CNN they would sound perfectly reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's no way that you could take those words in that order and say that They're wrong, you know, so they don't do that. They don't react to that with like and here's how Trump is helping They just laugh at her. They're just like look at how stupid these kids are So if you see so the idea is if you're watching Fox News and you see them talking shit about these kids They're saying The exact same sentences and you're laughing at them because they're children and then on CNN

Somebody says that later that night and you're like, that's what that stupid children said. Yeah, it's a good strategy Killing or shooting the messenger kind of thing, you know, do you have to deal with what's being said? Right already said fuck this kid. Yeah speaking of which they're supposed to be like the family values like he's protected the children Kind of we celebrate the child. God bless the child You know that that kind of network and yet there they are using just the appearance of children as be like to make an idea stupid Oh, yeah, that's great. Yeah, they're wonderful. It's good stuff. Now, Dan, let me ask you Do you know why children love Greta so much? Probably some sort of version of seeing themselves reflected in her a little bit some sort of identification factor

The idea that She's making positive change in the world right through her believe that maybe they too could make positive change in the world That's my guess. Yeah, those all that sounds very reasonable. I don't I would be surprised to discover how wrong you are. Is that right? Yeah What is it about her that is Interested so many young people. Well, she sells fear. Oh, yeah, that's what it is She's a fear salesman. Oh, that's why the youth are so into Alex Jones. He loved fear. Uh-huh It makes sense. I thought they were gonna say it was the pigtails. No, no, no It would have been lovely if a if there was some

What is that? What's her name with the pigtails? Pippi Longstock? Pippi Longstocking. That's it. Yeah, I was also thinking of What was the other one? I don't know. There's another no, there's another like young woman who is always in a field or Something are you thinking of like the Ricola? They sell fear. Yeah, what else is there when you hear a giant screaming? Yeah, that's a tornado siren absolutely Yeah, I don't I don't know if I agree with them so far. I'm trying to take a really objective stance as I've known to do on That's really it doesn't seem like

What's what's fun to me about that is? literally He is saying Throughout this entire interview We need to be afraid of Greta and he is basically telling that to everybody who is watching the show while at the same time starting with Greta's the one who's trying to make you afraid right and that's why you should be terrified of Greta Right, right now this from our sponsors, right that kind of thing our message is one of hope right hope That is only found in fossil fuels. Yes

Exactly where is this? 16 year old scare monger is out there trying to make you afraid Oh, yeah, so be afraid of her attempts to make you afraid. Exactly. I bring you the warm soft comforting blanket of coal Exactly. All right. Exactly. I see where this is going. Oh, yeah That's that's basically where we are going to keep going with this interview. It is all like here's what's wrong with Greta Here's how Greta is hurting you and what's best? What's the best part is there's always like and also Greta is hurting your children. She is also doing that. Yeah, we heard a bit of that from Alex as well. Yeah Here Greta Thunberg started in Sweden every Friday outside the Swedish Parliament

And it spread to skip school in order to have a future in other words She's actually said and she's addressed the EU the United States Congress testified that why should kids go to school? If they have a future that will be no more Unless government passes laws like the Green New Deal more UN treaties. See, it's her fault entirely She's telling all your kids to not even go to school dad. Little does Mark Moreno. No, I dropped out of high school Probably before Greta was born There's other yeah, there's other reasons. Oh, yeah She's just weaponizing that towards a positive goal

She's weaponizing dropping out of school or skipping school The fear that people have of their kids not being formally educated or whatever I think I think I think you can make an argument for that right maybe yeah, but I don't know how much that's destroying kids You don't think it's destroying kids at all and dropping out of school didn't really hurt me that much I still want to college. Nope. It's it's no big deal and the thing about that is it is Unbelievable how quick all of this happened. It's it's really really amazing like here's what here's when Greta started a Year ago. Uh-huh. That was it. There's the strikes, right? Right. She she started by skipping school on what is it August 20th? 2018 she skipped school and goes outside the Swedish parliament

Telling them they need to do more on climate change. Mm-hmm on the 20. I saw us told her to yes Well naturally right naturally on the 26th. She did it again and this time a bunch of other students and teachers And parents all came along with her. Mm-hmm in September. She began to do it every single Friday so this is September 2018 was about a year ago and All of a sudden other students in other schools are doing the same in November more than 17,000 students walk out on Friday in February of this year the protests take place in 30 countries in March Greta Thunberg is nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. Mm-hmm. So from when she started it in August to March She got a Nobel Peace Prize

nomination see now the path that you're describing this quick progression of it and stuff like this is what the right wing Uses to argue that there's no way this was organic, right? You know like what you're doing is laying the track that those people use right be like this is all bullshit, right? Of course astro turf. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Now at the same time in March more than two million students over a hundred and thirty five countries start walking out in May she's named one of the most influential people in the world by time She started this when she was 15 and in eight months. She is one of the most influential people in the world I don't I don't know if you have this in your research

His Mark Moreno ever been named on that list or has he ever been like nominated? For a Nobel Peace Prize. No, no, no, he did get one for literature in Yeah, it was it was him and Steve Pachennick both of their work on Tom Clancy novel. I think I read that in their bios. Yeah And then in in August 14th She gets on a climate neutral boat to be she's invited to the UN climate summit again She is six fucking team and then on September 20th on September 20th That was the climate strike that took place in over a hundred and eighty five countries Uh-huh. It's the number is incalculable of people who participated in that and then on September 23rd

She finally speaks to the UN. I Hope everybody has watched and seen the entire video, but it's it's just impossible Like I watched this speech the entire time and then I watched people talking about it on all the talking heads And they're just talking about it very like calmly like Greta Thunberg speaks to the UN. That is not how she sounds This is all wrong. I Shouldn't be up here. I Should be back in school on the other side of the ocean Yet you all come to us young people for hope

How dare you? She had the balls to say that to the fucking UN Well, it's not like the UN's gonna kill her like I mean No, I understand that it does take a lot of strength that I'm not taking that away from her That's an amazing act of of bravery And like when you're 60, I don't think that most people would be able to just give a speech period, right? Let alone something that Confrontational to the most powerful people in the entire world, right? They're the most powerful, but again, it's not like they're gonna kill

Really? Yeah, it's not like she became an incredibly famous figure and now people are sending her death threats all day But who's the people who are people sending her death threats? Well, Putin called her a bunch of nicks. Well, it's a little different. It's not like Yunker People who Alex points a figure at right? It's uh, I mean that doesn't take away anything. I'm just I'm just saying no I get it, right, but just for comparison go ahead and play the this is this is Bloomberg. Okay? And let me also thank President Trump for coming today to the United Nations Hopefully our discussions here will be useful for you when you formulate climate policy Well, it's not like they're gonna

Isn't that yeah, it's a real juxtaposition of strategies. Yeah of strategies or Being a giant piece of shit like Bloomberg. I fucking hate him. That was I don't know I don't know enough to say that was 20 minutes after credits Speech like that's what he came back and let's let's hear her one more time. Okay You have stolen my dreams my childhood with your empty words Yeah, she's a I I can't get over this I cannot get over the fact that she is 16. She is saying that How I I could barely do that now let alone when I was 16 sure that's incredible

Yeah, and the amount of pressure and everything that she has been under and how she has responded to it and the fucking Steel will that she has is so Unique that it's it's hard to comprehend. I really could not I cannot say enough that Greta is truly a fucking hero Beyond anything that I think I've encountered in a long while She's very forceful and she's right and she's telling the world off and she's making sure that everybody knows But you know what she's representing is a large group of young people ostensibly

Who are worried about the earth and worried about the the you know their future? Now You would think that climate change is a threat to their future, right? Right Not true. Mark Moreno knows what the real threat to children is It's now in in Europe where kids are getting anti-anxiety medication. They believe they're gonna die She is the Greta effect. She's causing and instilling fear in millions of kids around the world Yep, it's Greta. Okay. She's the real threat Dan mental illness and anxiety disorders did not exist before

August 20th 2018. Yes, you are correct. So this makes sense. This checks out Congratulations mark. You've made a spectacular argument. Oh, yeah Uh, and now I was looking into this because he said the eu specifically and I I was like, why would you choose the eu? I couldn't find anything specific to the eu. That makes any sense. Well, it's because she's swedish I would assume They're not taking uh anxiety No, I mean like she's your she's comes from a european country. So that's why he's saying eu Oh, yeah, that's true. It's it's I feel like it's just that simple. Yeah, you're probably right. That's my guess

You're probably right. Yeah, I uh But the thing is I couldn't find anything about the eu but in march of 2017 the american psychological association Released a 69 page report about this very idea this climate induced anxiety, right? And it has a bunch of tips for mental health professionals on how to how to deal with what they call uh, Solastalgia, uh, the distress that is produced by environmental change impacting on people while they are directly connected to their home environment Here are some of my favorite tips. Okay, uh sunscreen bass lerman. They cribbed bass lerman They did not add sunscreen strangely enough. Yeah, I know Uh tip number one

Build belief in one's own resilience Yeah, not a bad tip. That's pretty good. Generally. Yeah, absolutely doesn't even apply to solasthesia or whatever this is called Yeah, you'll you'll find a uh a running A running tally of that. Uh, just general good tips for okay tip number two foster optimism Not a bad idea. No tip number three cultivate active coping and self-regulation skills Tip number four maintain practices that help to provide a sense of meaning And tip number five promote connectedness to family place culture and community. Yeah, these are all very specific to climate change, right? You know what? Here's the fucking bullshit about it

First of all, these are trite, but good. They're good. No, they are good. They're not specific in any way These accusations that someone like mark morano would be making of she's like causing anxiety and fear and all this stuff This would be totally right on if gretta was getting up and being like, hey, you know what? This is all bullshit and we shouldn't do anything about it. We're all gonna die Yeah, that's true. Like if she was coming out with a message of nihilism and just like this, uh tune out Like let's all form a death cult now. Yeah. Yeah, then yeah, sure But then she'd be even more my hero right part and parcel of the message that's being sent is You know, there are things we can do and there are things that we should do

So along with the anxiety there is a that might come up in some people hear the message There's also an optimism. There's also a clear actionable Set of things that can be done, right? Um And so I I don't know. I just don't I don't buy I don't buy the idea that climate activists Um are are causing that kind of a reaction because there is action there is there is A way of averting the negative outcomes that would cause fear, right? Like I just don't get it I mean there are liars

Well, yeah, I mean that that does hurt, uh In marino's eyes, obviously the real fear is gretta and what she's doing She's telling kids all of this stuff and now they're anxious. They're they're all losing their minds Now that hasn't been shown to be true at all, but Climate change does have a demonstrable effect on mental health. Oh, jeez the concept itself just raising temperatures Not not the concept. No, no The thing itself. Yes, the phenomenon the family. Yeah. Yeah, not the concept. Yeah. Yeah, the phenomena in uh in With two studies, uh one in 2001 by uh, anderson at al and another in 2005

By simister and cooper or sinister Simister. Oh, right. It seems like it should be I thought it was the guy from uh, avenged sevenfold sinister gates I thought it was another ethan hawk movie could be. Um, they showed a Causal relationship between increased heat and increased aggression. You know, it's the it's in summers in chicago We all know The the death toll goes up. Well, it's really fucking annoying to be hot, right? I think we all know that just on an experiential basis. Yeah, it's fucking really bothersome

I'm a sweaty dude too. It's even worse. It sucks. Yeah, think of that every every little bit every little day The higher temperature causes more and more aggression Further more you got to think about how expensive it is to use air conditioning. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I'm just trapped. What if you can't afford a free on right? Which also is killing the planet in case you were wondering sure. Yeah, you're you're damned either way Which causes more heat which causes more frustration. There you go. God. It's uh, it's a vicious cycle. Um And also it's not just like aggression towards other people Quote higher temperatures have been linked to increased levels of suicide

Uh, it appears that the dish this is from a study in 2006 by lee at all It appears that the distress of feeling too hot can overwhelm coping ability for people who are already psychologically fragile Climate emergencies can also exacerbate pre-existing systems symptoms and lead to more serious health problems, right? Um, so It's probably not Greta. That's increasing our our difficulty there. Yeah, but the worst one The one that destroyed me Is in 2013 Uh, a consolo willocks, which I don't know if that's how you pronounced it Uh, they examined the impact of climate change on a small Inuit community

Uh, these people have very personally and directly seen climate change in action action It's not like it's not like they're you know living in illinois. It's not as abstract It is right fucking there. They see their land disappear. They see their hunting grounds disappear just like uh, most uh, you know endogenous species in all of those places except they can tell people how it feels and uh They specifically said that because of this Change they started feeling insecurity anger stress But most of all a loss of community

Like they didn't feel connected to each other as much anymore And the elders were specifically concerned about the preservation of the Inuit language and culture Uh, this quote is is damning We are people of the sea ice If there's no more sea ice, how can we be people of the sea ice? Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that sense tracks. Yeah As we as we see climate change progress The biggest issue I I think is is one that we're not really talking as much about

Uh, and that is the massive amount of displacement. Oh, sure combined with the loss of community and uh, and the increase of aggression Well, and there's so many like even urban areas that are going to be like around the world that are going to be uninhabitable. Yeah, that uh, like the displacement won't just be from like coastal areas or anything. It'll be Uh, yeah, it could be could be pretty severe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um And uh, he's not really terribly interested the mental health effects of climate change What about the uh, like people in uh, the farmers in india that had like all their crops Uh, oh, yeah diminished and that like there's that study about uh increase suicide rates among them Like does he care about that? Well the syrian civil war

Most people attribute that to uh, that is most people or most scientists who've studied it Uh political scientists as well Think that that's probably the first war That's directly tied to climate change interesting. I was unaware of that. Yeah, there was a drought in uh, the mid 2000s That caused all of the previously disparate farming communities and all of those small communities to Lose all of their food And so they had to move to the city and the city wasn't ready for an influx of that many people

Nobody had jobs you have 18 to 90 or 18 to 23 year olds with less than 60 percent on employment and Kaboom. Yeah, that makes some sense. Mm-hmm. I was unaware of those variables and action I mean, nobody's saying that it's entirely just because they had to move, you know, they're there are a few grievances in syria Aside from like a couple. Yeah. Yeah. There's a few few bad guys Um, but again dan we get back to The children right won't someone think of the children dan someone needs to yeah Then that person is mark morano and he has something that he would say to a child

Mark a lot of kids, you know, they they watch their other Friends say certain things they jump on board. They celebrate, you know earth day and do all these projects Exactly. If this were your child though, what would you what would you tell him or her? Well, first of all, I would tell them the government can't legislate the climate All right. I mean, it's fair It's true to some extent Can't pass a bill the temperatures are going down I know the idea though of him like what would you say to your child?

I imagine his child being like seven or eight. He's just like well first off government can't legislate climate right not uh, you know Don't be afraid. That would be nice something like that reassuring Yeah, I also love the idea that doocy just jumped in there and called like engaging with the curriculum peer pressure Yep, exactly when I was in uh, sixth, seventh grade or whatever They made us learn about like one month was monarch butterfly month They had to learn all about goddamn monarch butterflies next month was pastas They had to learn about different pasta shapes like I don't want to learn. This is stupid. It wasn't peer pressure

No, it was peer pressure things. It was the curriculum or it was you're in school You were told to by authorities, right? I learned about pasta and I know quite a bit about different shapes Do you I don't remember most okay, but I did for a while. There was a time the one that's like a spaghetti But spinny I remember I knew about that. Oh that has a name. Yeah, it's spinny spaghetti, right? Nope, certainly not probably not 13 year old me could have told you all about it. Yeah Oh, that's so it's 35 year old me Not so much spinny spaghetti Is it called frozen pizza? Is that it is now?

I don't know. I don't know what mark would actually say to his his own kid about the climate change But he has called Greta an autistic prophet. So sure. Yeah, he's not been very complimentary to her. I imagine He's he's not great with kids Uh, that's my guess But he doesn't think that you can legislate climate change. Well, you can't legislate the climate. No, you cannot Which is fair. It's a technically accurate statement, right? Otherwise, I'd pass a bill that these damn plants need to start getting some peppers out of them I wish I could do that. You still don't have any pass a bill right here peppers He is writing it down. Uh, we the people of the united states plant watch things are not going great things are not going great short version of it. Sorry

What's that? I made a mistake. I didn't realize that you had to plant each Sapling or treat like seedling in its own pot I planted some like two or three to a pot. Yeah, which made sense when they were tiny But now they're big and I'm realizing I'm gonna have to like try and discipline their roots I don't think I'm able to do that and it's getting cold in Chicago. So they can't be by the window. I could get a heat lamp Look, there's a lot of struggles. I didn't plant ahead. I don't know any of this stuff. If I could legislate I would do it. Yeah, absolutely. I think that would be a good idea next planting will be better right right, right? But uh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to derail there

No, actually, uh, you have nailed it on the head Uh, here's the problem with Greta, right? And with really all the kids in the school tales. No, it's not the pigtails. It's that uh, they just They just don't want to they just don't want to work damn. That's it Say if you really want to protest do something challenging, why would you skip school? That's an easy thing for any kid to do. Give up social media for a couple days. Give up your iphone Give up your tablet. Let's see how long they go without social media. That would be a protest Hmm. Yeah

Greta's issue She doesn't do anything challenging, Dan. Uh-huh I guess there's different definitions of challenging You know Yeah I I just think like, you know, there's consequences that can come from skipping school or from Encouraging everyone to skip school. Yeah, there's consequences that come from that and taking that sort of a risk

Is a challenge in and of itself So like yes the act of skipping school if you want to go smoke weed and play video games Sure, I mean there's a risk to it. There's a little bit of a challenge But the it you're not coming out and saying I'm skipping school to do this. You're trying to hide right, right, right, you know The openness about it is what uh and the meaning behind it. I think adds a little more of a challenge Absolutely. I would you say that it's more challenging than uh giving up social media for a little while I don't know people are really into social media. Yeah, that's true I don't did she have to give up social media while she was uh taking a climate neutral boat across the fucking Atlantic ocean

But also that boat that was pretty challenging dan as we know from conspiracy theorists that boat ride didn't happen because her hands Weren't sunburned when she uh got off the boat. Really? I don't that's a conspiracy theory. I've seen passed around Is that right? No, I I didn't mean a where her hands really sunburned. I don't care. Right. I don't care what that I was telling you about this one of her recent episodes all the hand-based conspiracies about her Well, yeah, but I didn't know there were that many. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh boy What other kind of hand-based conspiracy theories or something about the size not being right? I don't know I have no idea. I didn't look too deeply into it because it seemed Crazy. Yeah, it does sound crazy. Um, but yeah, I mean, I don't know. I guess partial

What I would say is like this is always going to be a way to attack people who make uh moves And that is to say there's something else they should have done Yeah, uh because there'll always be that like let's say you go on a hunger strike, but you're still using your phone Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, why didn't you give up social media? You just gave up food It'll always be like why don't you do something challenging? Right? Your body's just gonna eat its own fat. You're fine Social media not giving that up is tough God, I really feel like we are not that far away from that actually being an argument on fox news

Well, but I mean if you want to make a disingenuous argument against anybody who's doing something You'll always be able to find it. Right. Like it's it's just a matter of How craven do you want to be how open like how transparently full of shit? Do you wish to be publicly? Yeah, and we we see all right. She's done this thing Oh, I didn't do the other thing. Yeah. Yeah. I will set the standards by which the Integrity like anything of your protest is judged by and I deem you to be failing. Yeah, great. It's it's just amazing To have yeah that that naked craven attitude of like this This girl is about to speak

To the un this is this he's given this interview like an hour before she goes up and he's telling her to do something challenging Bananas to me. Yeah, absolutely bananas But after that after he insults Greta in every possible way he can think of we finally get to the sweet man on the street interviews Oh, hell. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and we they've did they subcontract mark dice. No, no, they did not They were they did not allow him anywhere near there Uh, but yeah, they edited together three interviews and I think you'll see uh, a little Uh through line there It'd be better to eat things in season and eat like like a lot less meat

The change that we need isn't just like if we need to change their lifestyles and their own habits We need to restructure the economy we went from using sports to like separate forks and knives And they're all individually wrapped. Yes, they're all plastic. It's really confusing Now which one do you think they focused on spork? Yeah Yeah, of course they did but to be fair That's not like maybe she didn't articulate that all that well because you're saying like I don't know and like sort of Stammering through it. That's not really that nonsensical of a position like whatever like I don't know I guess I always resented my parents growing up because

You know, no Like only reusable things would ever be acceptable and like they refused to buy me lunchables because there's too much trash in them And stuff like that. Yeah, I always hated that because I wanted a fucking lunchable. Right, of course All my friends had them. Yeah, little sweets in there with little pizza segregated foods. That's what you're yeah But as I've grown older, I kind of realized that like they had a pretty good point. That was like, uh, you know It's so much less trash than I don't know you get some box of like this giant

Costco box of something and then Tupperware absolutely It makes sense I'll I hear when that last person's talking about sporks is kind of kind of similar in the sense of like If we had we could cut down on a lot of trash that we're Exactly we're creating especially plastic trash. Yeah, I don't know. I could see how they would make fun of her though Yeah, yeah, well, they're fox fucking news. Yeah Well, I mean, there was a little laugh there at the end which suggests Uh, the second person was was like

The concept is correct. But you know, I'm making a little joke out of that last little part Uh, and the concept also sporks a fucking funny word, man. It is a funny word Uh, the concept actually is 100 percent. Uh, a very very good idea. I mean, but even intuitively I know you're about to explain why yeah, even intuitively it does make some sense as long as you're not primed to market Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. No, if we were like because the idea that they're expressing is if we took What if we have forks and we have spoons That's twice as much as if we had one utensil. It's a we're we

Theoretically like the idea that they're expressing you could even make a little serrated piece of it and get a knife in there, too You could have it. Oh, you know the unia Unia utensil yeah, I like unia utensil unia utensil hold on. We're gonna be rich. We're gonna be rich We'll make twice as many as we did of forks and spoons 100 already exist But go ahead. Uh, yeah, there are uh, there are about Let's see in science magazine published on uh, february 13th 2015 a study found that there are Between four and 12 million metric tons of plastic poured into the ocean everywhere There are uh, and it's insane how many there are garbage barges going

Spinning around the fucking ocean, but maybe even more important is that plastic Itself producing it leaves a massively high carbon footprint totally so everything about plastic is bad And cutting it down in half would be Ridiculously good. Now granted that's not cutting down plastic use in half But it's cutting down a half of one sector. Well, yeah, yeah, obviously it's not completely correct But they are they are mocking it in a very stupid way. Yeah, it's like that that wouldn't Solve everything, but it would do something absolutely So that's that's another part of their insidious plan is like even the most simple possible solutions

Mock them mercilessly right that way. It's impossible to do anything, especially if it's a large thing most importantly Any reduction is huge, especially at this point in in time but They don't want anything like that Not only that, uh, there are also

Here's the other thing about plastic. Uh, there's a third way that it's fucking everybody up There are a lot of there is a lot of pollution in the production of plastic right that has to be there. Usually The plants are built near water almost all the time and a study done by the clean water association Shows that in the bay area two-thirds of litter on the streets Uh, what is made up of single-use utensils single-use utensils and that kind of shit So not only that, but we'd be dealing with less litter on top of it every part of single-use silverware or for you know forks and spoons is

a Massively disruptive right to everything. Yeah, uh, there's nothing good here counterpoint counterpoint When I make turkey bacon. Yes I've found that if I use a metal fork to flip the bacon It often will end up scratching my pan Meanwhile plastic fork doesn't do that air go I love disposable silverware. You're right That is an uh, that's an proven that's inarguable hit me up mark

I want some of that fox news bucks. He could really use your help. Yeah, he could workshop some of this shit Uh, and I'll tell you why uh, because he's a little bit repetitive. I wouldn't imagine that. Yeah It's it's it's just it's it's almost like medieval witchcraft again where they just believe if we can use the sporks We can save our planet and have a future Witches that one is uh, I don't know if that was the right one. Can you hold on play one more? I like to say that this is no more than medieval witchcraft That one's from 2016. Sorry go ahead and play the next one Or a united nations treaty can save our parks can save the Statue of Liberty can save a species of rat in australia

This is just the height of what I call medieval witchcraft and what president obama Sorry, that one was 2014 go ahead and play one more. I think that's the next one It's no better than in 1450 when aztec priests encouraged people Sacrifice uh to the to the to the gods to end the drought. There we go. That one's from 2011 I don't know if you notice this guy seems to have a Real rhetorical flourish that he likes. Yeah Do you see what I'm saying when I say everybody knows exactly what he's going to say when he shows up on your on your Interview quote unquote. He's gonna call climate change stuff. Uh barbaric, uh, wizardry. Uh, uh, cool. That's his plan

Um, do you know how many times he's said it? I mean, we've got like what five so far so far. Yeah Oh Yep, that's a hundred trillion All right That's just what I had to find a way to get that one is to get fancy with uh clips I love love a hundred trillion. I can hear him say that over and over and over again. Let's hear it one more time. Okay Oh, I'll tell you in dozen days He just doesn't understand the concept. I mean, this is I mean, I guess this is fairly similar to some of the alexi kind of

Shit, you know, like uh calling things witchcraft and you know that putting that association of like Uh, giving kids vaccines is just the same as as tech priests killing children and sacrifices and oh, yeah. Yeah, there's There's more similarity there than i'm comfortable with. Oh, this is on fox news in 2019. Yeah Uh, there's a there's more to that interview on uh, or quote, uh, you know Fake interview on fox and friends But it just turns into you know, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren say we shouldn't fly but they fly all the time They say we shouldn't eat meat, but they eat meat all the time It's one of those it's one of that same. You know, I have a I have a clip of him saying

Very similar things in 2011 as well. Right like it goes all the way back and back and back Well, what you failed to take into account is these are good arguments It makes sense you would say them over and over and over again No one has robot the witchcraft That's true. So that's true Gonna keep doing it until someone steps up I don't think I don't think anybody could ever do that. No, uh, so later on in the day

After being a complete idiot before gretta speech sure on fox and friends. He goes on Varney's show on fox business. You're not talking about janet varney not Definitely not jim varney. Okay. All right. He's dead. Well. No, we established he faked his death. That's true Uh, and this is after gretta speech and I don't know who this guy is Okay, let me see if I can tell by his voice. I've never watched fox business before I think that the solutions I know this guy just by his voice. I've seen clips of this uh, this guy Okay, I don't think I like him now And I quote unquote the solutions to climate change that are being offered

Are they still popular in europe because europe is really suffering from these so-called solutions suffering seniors are suffering and UK winter deaths have increased It's if this guy wants to know what the europe's people are thinking. Why didn't he call lord mongton? I know, right? I'm seeing a real Disinterest in lord mongton even on fox news which troubles me a little bit I think mong I think mongton's getting uh kicked to the wayside. Yeah, probably probably because he's not actually a lord They only like lords And mark marino is the lord of climate denial as we know stateside. Yeah

so people in uh People dying people are dying because of cold right people people always talking this reminds me of the last episode Where he said basically the same thing people talk about uh heat deaths, but You know Why doesn't anybody talk about the winter deaths, huh? Like we talked about some of that with uh, alex's stuff too and like those cases that he would bring up specifically You look into them, but they're like there's so much more going on here. This has to do with financial stuff This doesn't have to do with uh with climate change measures or anything. This is all just about

Uh poverty. Oh, yeah, and that is borne out by the uh office of national statistics Which is the most british name I can think of for a government agency Just the ons. Yeah, we've got these are our national statistics. That's what we do in in america We call it the the office of check this out Uh, because we're cool. We're poochie. That's what i'm trying to say. That's gonna be a tough acronym. That's gonna come back but uh Actually, what I found out was that winter deaths have increased I was really I was all geared up for him for to be like this is completely made up. This is all bullshit

I don't even need to worry about this but Uh, the number of excess winter deaths, uh, that's what they measure. What do you mean by excess? That's what uh, we're talking about there the comparing the excess number of deaths in winter To the other three months periods. Okay, so if there's an average number between Uh, what is it april and july and july and september and october and through there There's an average of let's say a hundred right then there's 115 in winter than its excess deaths of 15 all right, okay, yeah, so

This this otherwise that sounded very judgmental right The ones we don't need Otherwise, I don't like the way the ons is framing this this sounds shitty these deaths are excessive Go ahead get out of here. Come on. Get out of here with these deaths. So it was already. Um, but yeah in 2017 to 2018 It was the highest number of excess winter deaths. They've recorded since the 70s Uh, and that is mainly due to increased influenza And of course poverty

All the way around nothing to do with climate change and it's an even further disingenuous argument because while Yes, you can say it's the highest recorded number since the 70s It is also one half the number since the 50s so it's it's like a Absolute bullshit the the trend overall has dipped down from the 50s over and over and over again And a lot of that probably has to do I know I looked into this a while back and I don't I'm not sure if it extended to deaths, but like complications and illnesses and

A lot of stuff along those lines have like you see a drop in them When measures are passed that make it so like the electric company can't turn off the electricity during the winter Absolutely. No, but even if you don't pay your bill, they can't turn it off during They have to wait until fucking april right Right measures like that that are protective have cut off a lot of which I think all societies need That needs to be across the board everywhere. It seems like it would be obvious Yeah, that it needs to be across the board Yeah, those sorts of things are very protective about that and then when you consider like

resources for people who are experiencing homelessness Uh fast response to people who are like it. I remember when there was a blizzard Uh the last time here in chicago There was a lot of focus put on like if you see someone outside Report them so we can make sure that they don't stay outside right a friendly message from your local neighborhood ice office No I could see how that would be abused now Um

But yeah, those sorts of things will put that number down to as low as it can possibly go Yep, even with severely inclement weather or winter temperatures So I feel like those are better solutions to look at than whatever mark is talking about you got it Uh, he is absolutely this is It's it's amazing how I have never seen him Give any statistic straightforward I've never I've never seen it not once even if it's one that's not even damaging or like

It's almost unrelated. What about still lies about excess number of witches Witches You get that from the ons they die in summer though. That's the excess number of witches in the rainy season. Yeah When it's dry out. Yeah Yeah, so it is it is kind of amazing to me Because even this is just a cherry-picked statistic like he had to say from the 70s He couldn't even he couldn't possibly be like, well, it's twice as many as from 2014 or whatever he has to like create this cherry-picked stat that is

Misleading. Yeah, it's just stupid and he didn't have to do that But that that's how a lot of people use statistics. That's why you have to be like really careful with those things You have to whenever you hear people using statistics. You should be Why is to look into context and look at larger trends that they might be ignoring Like that's something that's just so consistent across Uh, all this sort of media. I've got some people on the left are guilty of that too. Oh, yeah I'm positive. I don't know. I don't spend enough time focusing on those folk But I'm I'm sure that it's it's used on both sides of persuasive arguments

Oh, for sure people just need to be conscious of that people. It's such a easy game to play You sound like so like Irrefutable whenever you pull out things like that. Yeah, those sorts of incomplete stats Uh, it's bad. Absolutely. This is why I still want to know Uh What the ops of the slugger and major league is sure it's unknown He they gave us stats at the end. He had like 38 home runs Uh, a few doubles, but they didn't give me what his on base percentage was

Yeah, and that's what I was really looking for. You know, it pisses me off is that no sabre metrics Uh type of organization. No fantasy football league You're gonna play ever tells you what a team's pumble rating is which is punts divided by fumbles It's a very crucial statistic to understanding I like it. Sure. Yeah It tells the whole story punts divided by Bumbles that mark get on it

What are you talking to zuckerberg marino? Oh marino. Okay. I got you. I didn't know he had control over that too Well, you should make himself useful. Uh, just like Greta shouldn't be uh going out of school. She should be getting off social media You shouldn't be doing this bullshit. You should be getting on pumbles I like it. I like it Oh, man, but do you know what the biggest the biggest problem that people have the biggest misconception that people have is of course That they can't believe it's not about it. Yeah, that's usually the start. I'm trying. I know you're doing great Thanks, you're doing great. You're interrupting like I do. You're doing wonderful. I wasn't proud of that last joke Uh, well, hey, welcome to the fucking club. I guess you just deal with that

I'm just trying you've called me out on it a few times and it's been it's been lovely fair enough Yeah, I was gonna let that one slide. Mm-hmm. Uh, but what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Do you have misconceptions? There are an excess number of jokes that die on this show every Uh attempt. Yeah, um, so Do you know what people are not paying attention to? What's that? Uh, how great we are and how we don't need to do anything else We're doing better in the united states than these european signers who are going to be at the un summit in new york Shaming president trump. We're doing better. We're leading the world in co2 emission reduction. Nobody ever points that out

Nobody ever points that out dam. I feel like I've heard that pointed out. It's been pointed out a lot It has been pointed out a lot Uh, specifically by scott pruitt Uh noted Definitely not corrupt monster scott pruitt In 2017 he said quote. We are leading the nation Excuse me the world with respect to our co2 footprints in reductions This is another bullshit cherry-picked stat

Because what he did Uh, and what they are doing is they are judging us differently from other countries Uh, they are talking about the way that Uh China and india both emit more carbon than we do right overall right because they are fucking huge then Then wait, is that a conspiracy? No, is that is they're actually small? I was being glib the mercator protection is actually right Yeah, india only has three people living in it and they were the ones who got the fed passed right?

um So yes, they are absolutely huge carbon emitters But when you go by per capita you find out that the us produces 16 and a half metric tons Per capita compared to china's seven and a half and india's 1.7 So it is kind of a An accurate fact that america has reduced emissions more But in terms of what we're doing it is absolutely Nothing like we went from in terms of reducing emissions

The 16.5 metric tons was in 2014 and it had gone down by a little average of like one and a half to two percent Per year around that. Uh-huh. Um, but also doesn't doesn't it not matter Yes, like I mean doesn't exactly doesn't that argument even as a whole I understand the point like the facts you're trying to bring up And that's all good and well and and very worthwhile, but like Just saying that other people aren't doing good doesn't mean anything. Exactly. Yes, isn't it? I mean, it's just a faulty construction of like a deflection. Yeah, like ah, you say we bad. No bad bad over there You bad. Yeah. No, doesn't that doesn't help anything He's disingenuously trying to attack every possible counter argument in advance

Well, but also doesn't that doesn't his sort of argument here actually strengthen the counter argument That like other people are doing worse. Like yes, that means we need to be even more serious about this Yeah, it does you would think that that it kind of falls apart upon any kind of inspection when you're not talking to Ulvarni over here An idiot. Yeah, and the deuce. Yeah. Also. He is uh wrong as of this year. Shit Uh in 2018 Almost directly due to trump's bullshit the epa's complete abdication of any moral responsibility And so forth emissions rather than dropping rose by the largest

Amount since 96 Uh, it was oh, yeah, uh, or the second largest amount since 96. They rose by 3.4 percent Uh, effectively wiping out most of the gains that we had made So we are not leading the world in uh emissions decreasing anymore on the day that he said it It is not happening ironic in some ways Timing uh timing based ironies, right if he had gone on the show last year He would have been fine. He would have been technically correct. Now. Here's here's a weird one. I like this one

Quite a bit. This is this is very funny to me Someone proposes a un climate treaty or the solution to global warming. It's virtually it's almost always central planning massive government regulation Europeans aren't opposed to that So they don't even bother to challenge the science or look at the reason why that's being forced on them In the united states, we say wait a minute. What's it? Trying to track that I couldn't look it up. There were it needs a citation. Yeah I

know Try and go in america. We're like wait. What? Europeans are more into central planning and regulation Therefore they don't question science, right? I don't see the relation. No, it doesn't seem like they're related. No, I think you might have a problem with that construction Seems seems like the conclusion doesn't follow um I would guess that if he's trying to say that then

You could use that argument for like everything. You don't even have to like because you know take science out of the conclusion just be like Europeans are more into central planning and Uh regulation therefore They make more balloons, right? Right? You got it. Yeah, that's that's an omni purpose It's it's constructed to me the same way that that 90s

Deaf comedy jam is you know that like Europeans be like this. Sure, but the united states were like this Also, has he not heard of lord montan? Leading climate denial guy lord montan. Oh, yep lord montan fucking parachuted into a un thing Just to cause a big uh big publicity stunt Well, he did well. He did that once before when he was db cooper. Sure. That was that was rude off hask All the famous parachuters Uh, but he doesn't have any military service under his belt. So he's not a paratrooper unfortunately

Um, but dan, let me ask you a question. Right. How is it that we uh lead the world in reducing co2 emissions? fictitiously I heard mark say it so He's got a specific. Okay. I'm I don't know. I'm excited to learn It's through technology and innovation and and the mark and it's fruit chiefly through fracking That's how we lead. Yep chiefly through fracking Seems counterintuitive doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I'm interested to see how he threads this needle

Uh, he doesn't he said that and then never mentioned goes unchallenged never mentions again. Varney is like, yeah, of course technology is great and fracking Technology sure. Yeah, absolutely. Possibly. That's a good argument 100% when your next thing is fracking as being like leading That's where we get into trouble. Right. It seems like you need Again need citation. Yeah. Yeah, uh, as far as citations go though. I have a paper. I am a leader in the world of medicine Because I have drawn the most blood from Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I like it. Um Uh in a paper by uh, robert howarth from cornell university

He does not believe that fracking Improves our environments. That's interesting. Uh, he will he says Quote the commercialization of shale gas and oil in the 21st century has dramatically increased global methane emissions This is uh fracking He continues on shale gas production in north america over the past decade may have contributed more than half of all the increased methane emissions from fossil fuels globally And approximately one third of the total increased emissions from all sources globally over the past decade Yeah, that's pretty universally what I've I've heard and seen from anything I've looked into. Yeah

I've not heard anybody like Say that fracking is great Nope No one Absolutely. No one. Wow, except for mark marino dan I guess there are certain people who are on like payrolls and shit, you know People who have the best like mark marino dan. Oh boy

I I've covered uh previously climate depot all of that shit, but that is Absolutely and utterly disqualifying right to pretend it to even like even if he mistakenly said it We are leading the world in uh protecting the climate and I know that because of all the trash we burn You got it We have tire fires all right That is how we are protecting the ozone layer and the eu wouldn't even challenge a tire fire We're all here. We're all like wait, what the eu is into central planning and regulations

Therefore, they just go along with not burning tires and a tire doesn't even have a center. So there we go Case closed. They don't use them there. Uh-huh Uh, no, yeah, that does seem troubling to me. No fracking does not help and the it not even not help. It is Utterly utterly destructive and that's just the emissions part talk about pollution The fucking destruction of the earth like you name it fracking is one of the single worst things that human beings have ever even Fucking invented and same as true of like the coal sands stuff. Yeah, yeah, you know that that's like any Anybody who presents that as being like a good uh alternative kind of thing is like well, no, no, no All information is shown that that's worse. Yep. Yep. The processing of it to make it usable is

Heavily polluting. Mm-hmm. Yeah, if there was even and even if there was some sort of net like net Offset like even then if it was just like this tiniest little bit of yeah, it destroys the earth But it's one percent better when you factor in all that shit. It's like no it is absolutely not worth it And there's nothing that anybody has ever shown to be an improvement um, but But that that's that's an interesting thing. Is it like if it were people would be for it probably yeah Like if these alternatives like anybody who's into

Climate change activism or whatever if one of these solutions actually did like let's say Cut down 15 percent. Yeah or something of emissions And it profited oil companies they would still be for it Yep, they would not be paying mark marino a shit ton of money to lie about it on tv. Yeah, they wouldn't need to um But again, dam one of our biggest issues is the children right this is I mean, yes, obviously they are You know mercilessly mocking and being mean to a 16 year old woman spork But what it really is about is how much they care about protecting the children. Sure. It is always about the children. God bless the child

Difference these kids are testifying before congress saying they have no future unless we can essentially Kill the market economy in the united states and impose a central plan on us. That's what they're testifying Yeah, that really got to me the children that they are very young kids who are making these grandiose statements Yes words put into their mouths by you know adults Yes To have a 67 chance of saying below a 1.5 degrees of global temperature rise The best odds given by the ipcc The world had

420 gigatons of co2 left to emit back on january 1st 2018 Today that figure is already down to less than 350 gigatons There will not be any solutions or plans presented in line with these figures here today Because these numbers are too uncomfortable and you are still not mature enough to tell it like it is Well, I could see how an adult wouldn't like to hear that. Yeah, yeah Uh-huh. Yes, that's I I put those to juxtapose. Yeah for I think a very Obvious reason, right? I think so. Yeah, but that really got to varney. Yeah. Yeah got to him. Yeah, he doesn't like it

Sure, he doesn't like the idea that these children are Basically pointing out that you're a bunch of fucking children Sure, and I think it would be probably a good time to point out that there are not just it's not just Greta There are a lot of other youth activists That maybe aren't getting as much attention as her right that also deserve a good bit of like a Shout-out a tip of the cap No, absolutely every every one of these climate marches and every one of them in across the world Wasn't organized personally by Greta. No every single one of them

She's one of all of this like attention and vitriol and praise is being directed at whereas There are there are many more people Who are coming out and uh, you know being being very active in this and not just climate change You know across the board in terms of the social causes. There are a lot more people who are of uh, that generation that like probably deserve a higher profile and uh, shout out to them. Yeah I didn't prepare for this episode and I can't remember anybody off the top of my head because everybody's talking about Greta. Yeah uh Well, let me let me read you from uh, the very mental health manual that I uh, gave you some tips from earlier

Sure, uh, and I think that will be uh, a little illuminating as to why it is that they're talking the way that they are and how they're You mean the children or no no Varney and uh, morano. So uh, quote In some cases information that increases perceptions of the reality of climate change may feel so frightening that it leads to denial And thus a reduction in concern and support for action Uh, this is a study by mcdonald at al in 2015 In addition communicating scientific information is not easy This complexity itself may be a problem One study showed that people who received more complex information on environmental problems

Felt more helpless and more inclined to leave the problem to the government And those who felt ignorant about the topic were more likely to want to avoid hearing about more negative information Okay Now that is exactly why they are talking the way that they are about all this shit. Uh, they are uh making sure That people are uh ignorant exactly exactly because the more and and also They're trying to push denial. Uh, because the more helpless and more inclined

The more helpless you feel the more real the how real you feel about climate the more likely you are to Be in favor of regulation and government and government involvement. Yes, and their stated life's goal is No government. Yeah, exactly Business and then of course they keep their audience ignorant about the topic So they don't want to hear any more negative information about it. Right. They want to hear they want to hear America is leading the world in c o 2 Reduction and america is doing all this good here's my warm carbon blanket. Yeah, exactly

Yeah, and they know it and mark morano knows it and everybody who books him on these shows knows that's what he is going to do for you He is a fucking Slimy hack asshole. I hate him so much. Let's hope that this episode gets him to uh, tweet at me Yeah, I was just thinking like I almost hate him as much as freer store. Yeah, you gotta you gotta mix it up with this guy I I just oh god But still further this

like How many times has he been brazen in his complete asholery on this episode? Yeah, a few a few. Yeah, very obvious very miserable in his fucking non-stop like pitter-patter of and I I cut the clip short so they're not as long as Uh, the ones that you normally cut. Um, mainly because he speaks In these 40 40 second chunks like all of it is I mean, it's a structural difference

Like this is an interview or he's on a conversation on fox and friends, right? Whereas alex is like doing long form Rambling it's it's definitely right like just a function of Uh, the source material. Yeah, it's it's these are obviously going to be shorter, right? Blurbs, I mean, I could I could have put the whole 30 second Clip, but he's just such a unlike alex where it's like he's got those Rolling crescendos and then he gives you a a break and then rolling crescendo and does this whole like musical thing. Yeah Uh, morino is just rapid fire monotone just like I'm before you even have a thought

I'm on to the next thought because I think probably part of that is he wants you to think he sounds Super credible through the quick, uh, monotone. It's like a Ben Shapiro is uh ish strategy It's like fast that would make it sound like I know all these things Yeah, and monotone sort of flat delivery making you think that I'm Unemotionally delivering this information to you. It's just a different presentation style Not nearly as fun as a lunatic. No, it is not but it is it is not it's a lot dumber Um, but this one is this one's brutal It said they had a a die-in for the kids gretta thunberg the swedish crow went to the white house

I was at the event where she spoke they had kids lying down at the white house gates for 11 minutes to symbolize 11 years until the planet's dead unless government saves it and tries to legislate storms and weather it's This is the guy who Six hours earlier in the day said she needs to do something fucking challenging. I don't know if a die-in is challenging. He was later And this is fine fine Then this is coming from someone who accompanied his parents to a die-in To protest the iraq war when I was a younger guy fair But any kind of like, you know argument that that's going to traumatize and scare these kids

I i'm here to say the opposite like I did that when I was younger vis-a-vis the iraq war And maybe I was like 19 or 20 at the time though. So it's a little bit older, but not that much older And I didn't have any kind of feeling of it of like this is you know, this is uh So terror inducing in my own life that I can't function It was like this is an expression of how severe this reality is that we are uh against Uh, so I don't know I don't I don't I don't find this to be compelling. No, this is an old man assuming the children don't have cognitive abilities You got it. Yeah. Yep saying the same shit and not children youths or whatever, you know, like

Because it's it's a different if Greta was five right, right Well, we've already had a five-year-old in this show saying correct things. So there you go I don't know. I will I will say this we do not And neither does anybody else and if anybody has Mark Moreno anywhere near them. It is completely invalid invalidating and uh This one, uh, this is from something that Greta said which I find incredibly hopeful and uh, we'll see how it goes on the other side You say you hear us and that you understand the urgency But no matter how sad and angry I am

I do not want to believe that Because if you really understood the situation And still kept on failing to act Then you would be evil and that I refuse to believe Sure, she refuses to believe that they are evil, but I will tell you something Mark Moreno is fucking evil. She wasn't talking to mark Moreno though to be fair. I know but I'm making it very clear That uh, this is the one thing I disagree with her on But again, she's not talking about or to him. I know and I'm still talking

I I'm in in this regard as well at the un. I am also disagreeing with her there. Oh Hmm. I guess that's interesting. I'm not a hundred percent sure where I land on that, but I respect your opinion I'm on the fence a little bit. Yeah in terms of calling those people all the world leaders evil uh I because I'm not on the fence in terms of your assessment of Moreno. Well, of course Lord Monkton. Yes. Yeah, but I I I don't know I feel like there's so many other factors to consider for a lot of world leaders that I don't I don't know where their heads are Well, uh, if they I will tell you that their heads are not in the

most recent IPCC report uh, I I went through that and read it uh, because Uh, it was like it's like a big deal and it's very long and most people didn't actually read it Right. Uh, all of the all of the articles and stuff I read about it from You know, wherever the guardian or anything along those lines. They were all Kind of in this middle ground Uh, and this is something that I find to be very very frustrating

You know that I have said to you, uh, many times in the past where I suspect that Scientists have always been climate scientists, especially have always been downplaying the actual severity of the situation for everyone listening. You said it to me so many times so many times so many times off air socially Yep, incessantly some might say it's yeah, it's a lot. Uh, I thought that was a suspicion Yeah, I thought that that was something that I thought um, however

From a study by uh, bice at al from 2013 Quote over the past two decade two decades skeptics of the reality and significance of anthropogenic climate change have frequently accused climate scientists of alarmism Of over interpreting or overreacting to evidence that human impacts exist However, the available evidence suggests that scientists have in fact been conservative in their in their projections of the impacts of climate change Uh, we suggest therefore that scientists are biased towards not towards alarmism But rather the reverse toward cautious estimates. There is even a term they have for it They call it airing on the side of least drama Right, but I still don't think this proves your conjecture

That they're intentionally underplaying things. Oh, no, no, I mean downplaying. Right. Right. Yeah, but I still don't they're not manipulating the data But I honestly don't think that that still proves the stuff that you always tell me like what that they're like low balling Like conservative estimates are I'm not saying that they're low balling. Right, right, but the under playing the severity Yes, right. I don't I don't think that uh, I I still don't think that matches with your suspicions. Right. Well, let's conservative estimates versus uh, extreme estimates I I I mean, I understand Okay What I'm what I'm more talking about is the way that they present it right not the the data or anything like that

Um, because here is the here is some of the data in the ipcc This report, um And this is all based on data that goes up to 2015 It does not include 2016 to to present day because we can't you know, obviously you can't put together all that shit In the report, uh, our best case scenario from the paris agreement is to keep warming to 1.5 degrees celsius and the report it says no matter what If we even if we reach 1.5 degrees celsius as a uh, as our ceiling

Uh See warm water coral is gone It's just gone. There's nothing we can do unless we go well below 1.5 degrees That is not something that was in any of the reports that I read any of the articles. I read none of them said Uh, no matter what we're losing coral to be fair ones the last time you engaged with coral Fair enough you ever go to a reef Ah, no, I've never gone to a reef. You're right. Actually, I have have you. Yeah, I mean I lived in white pretty amazing

Yeah, right. Yeah beautiful. Mm-hmm big ecosystems Yeah, exactly, right? Mm-hmm all of this stuff Now what it doesn't include is like I said the past three or four years and one of the issues with that is uh, they They have a couple of different projections going on in the Reports, they have the ones where we

Reduce and stay below 1.5 degrees, right? Uh, very very unlikely They have the ones where we don't do anything And they just measure what it would be like if we stayed at the same rate Uh, what they don't have is what it would be like if we continued fucking up more They didn't they couldn't imagine a scenario Where it was like not only did we not just stay the same We doubled out increased our carbon emissions, right? Like alex advocates exactly Uh, that is what is currently going on

Uh, this this idea that idea of like 11 years. We have 11 years from now to Adjust our actions and all of that stuff in certain ways Uh, that is not accurate anymore We don't have 11 years Well because it's from the data that ends in 2015 Yeah, so whatever we'd be talking about we should have been talking about in 2015 You got it. Whereas there's been three or four years since then

And it changes not just that but That number is not as as I've said so many times. It is a geometric progression, right two years of active damage Doesn't take us from 11 years left to nine years left I can't tell you, you know, and even then the projections aren't like this is exactly accurate, right? It's like the 538 election projections, you know, where it's like we give Democrats a 75 percent chance to take back the house And republicans a 25 percent chance to keep it. Yeah that kind of thing The same thing is true with these climate reports

They can say we have a what, you know, they're what they're telling us is there's a 60 percent chance that we have 11 years to do all of this shit. Yeah, they don't say there's a 40 percent chance that we're already past You know, it's not 40 percent But there is a significant chance that we're already past the mark And that there's nothing that can be done to keep us below one to keep us at 1.5 and below two so It's it's really kind of a A frustrating thing

that This is a fucking seriously dangerous and scary report And it is amazing to me that it went by in like one day There was this new cycle of this report that was like one day. Yeah, it is amazing to me um, one of the one one of the things that I I love in the report about uh, governments And how they're going to act on climate change this so

There is no single climate governance panacea for the ocean coasts in cryosphere Empirical evidence on which governments arrangements arrangements work well in which context is still limited, but good governance scare quotes Norms indicate the importance of inclusivity fairness deliberation Reflexivity responsiveness social learning the co-production of knowledge and respect for ethnic and cultural diversity And the reason I like that In there is because that means they have some eco fascists that they were talking to who are like what if instead We had one guy do everything

And they were like no, no, no, no We got to make sure that the report doesn't because there are some people who would read that ipcc report and go like Democracy has it failed us that's sure sure so they specifically went out of their way to be like We don't want anybody Yeah, I know you might think it's a good idea and you're like Yeah, because the these sorts of things could be very dangerously used under the uh, the wrong hands, yeah, absolutely

Absolutely, and here's another great piece of news Uh today just today dan september or october 3rd. I don't even know what day you got a Report was released from the guardian Trump's attacks on science are at a crisis point basically He denies climate science. He's banned the epa from presenting research on climate sciences He's barred the national park service from putting climate change in any of their proposals And he's actively published a misleading environmental review to allow mining in uh into allow a mine in alaska They have punished anybody who speaks out or points out how much

Bullshit science that they're trying to push But the thing that's weird to me is or not weird But it's the department of agriculture actually moved economists across the country When they published analysis of how fucked farmers were under trump's proposals The interior department reassigned a climate scientist to an accounting role After he just pointed out that climate change will be bad And just for the win They suppressed a report showing that toxic substances in several states water supplies

Will absolutely fuck you up at far Far lower levels than what are currently allowed. They actively Yeah, a little bit is a fuck you up. Yeah, exactly basically And this kind of shit has been done by all of the by you know, everybody since gw or hw all of this shit is absolutely devastating and

guys like mark morano Fucking make everything so much worse. They facilitate all this and you never ever need to listen to this hack If his name comes up Just fucking go away. That's really your thesis here is that's why you do not need to listen to this guy ever ever again If we're gonna do a reverse Knowledge fight we talk about the same guy over and over and over again So if i'm gonna do it, i'm gonna talk about a guy we never speak of again Okay, and uh, I think mark can explain why I don't understand how people could fall for such

base cheap rhetoric and nonsense Yeah, yep Yeah, you hear that that exact phenomenon from all these these people so often is like them expressing exactly like Who would believe this bullshit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was also from 2014 by the way Yeah, well, that's a bummer. Um, what are your thoughts on that? I don't know. I mean Mark morano sucks. Yeah, what do you I don't know what it's I don't know what other thoughts to have I don't know this subject matter nearly as well as you do and you know, you're very this is something you're Singularly focused on in the same way that I am like, I don't know anti-communist propaganda. Yeah, so it's always it's a little

Overwhelming, you know to have a lot of You're fucking telling me It's it I don't know it's tough to sit on this side of the table I don't know. I'm not geared to respond to things. Yeah, I guess Uh, it's a challenge, but it's I mean, you know, I think you did a good job. Thanks you as well. It's in it's interesting Um You know, I went into this thinking mark morano sucked and now I come out with thinking Uh similar things. Yeah

And now I know that you really uh admire gretta. I really admire gretta. I think she is a fucking hero Cool. Absolutely. Dan. Yes. Uh, I know this was a a little bit of a depressing ending It's a little bit. It's a little bit of a bummer and I don't want to leave people with like a sense of uh, gloom You know, yeah, which I mean, I think you might have. Yes, I did. Yeah No, it's not that uh, it's not that it's gloom I mean, there's a little bit of gloom to it because like right in the way that like people like mark morano attack Gretta, you know, they're like they're gonna create anxiety and fear in people The reason that that isn't that doesn't ring true to me is because there are so many solutions

I worry that the way you frame this Does lead to anxiety and fear right because of the Contensions that the climate scientists and the ipcc report They're underplaying the reality of this the they're underplaying the severity of this It does lead to a possibility that the conclusion is there is nothing that can be done. Oh, yeah And then we reach nihilism. I respect that we reach Sort of a fatalistic we're fucked no matter what we do kind of state And I know that that's not your message and I know that that's not what you believe that like we shouldn't do anything

Because we're already fucked, but it would be easy to come away from Uh, if we're not super clear, it would be easy to get that impression And I never want to give that message, right because even if that's true. I don't like I it's not but even if That perception were true It's an it's an irresponsible thing to to to preach to people right well here is here is why Uh, I Did that and it's mainly because of the mental health summary that was there which stated that the more people know about it The more they understand what it is the more likely they are to accept that government does need to make the action

I I understand that you know what i'm saying like look at all these climate Protests and all this shit. We don't just need to protest. We need to get these people fucking gone Right, we get them out of office and get new people in who are responsive and understand the situation I think that there's something to be said for like enlightening people about realities and and um, you know pollution and its effects and the anthropomorphic Yeah, wrong word anthropogenic. That's right. Hello. I'm climate change I'm coming for your children Yeah, the the human caused aspects of this and the things that you can do and the things that we should do

I think that that awareness and people being more Red up on those aspects lead people to what that mental health report is talking about That is realizing that the government needs to do more Speculating that there's nothing that we can do and that like all everything is way underselling it and like That that I think has right. I don't think that that is what leads people To recognizing that the government needs to do more and regulation is probably necessary That could probably lead to people having the crippling inability to act

And i'm not i'm not saying that you're doing that. I'm just saying that part of that While I do agree that it is important to stress to folks that this is not Business as usual. There is a crisis going on um I think viewing it in a No matter what happens. We're fucked. Yeah. Yeah sense I think I think it's detrimental and it doesn't lead to the effects that that mental health report would and i'm again I'm not saying that that's what you're doing. Yeah, I just want to I want to fight back against any kind of

Gloom that folk might have and that I might even be feeling a tiny bit towards the end Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I I suppose I suppose the main thing that I I I suppose the main thing that I want Is for people to realize that this is not a fucking This is not a future thing This is serious right now right and that's that's why I get so angry when I read a an article in Whatever where it's like the IPCC shows very bad reports for the climate and it's like no, this is now

This is we got to fucking do this shit. We got to we got to do something right and one of the biggest things is We've been doing this whole like well. We need to get people to Direct action and you know if we don't do this by 12 years from now It's going to be really troublesome if we don't do this, you know, and then 10 years ago Yeah, where the effects of this are going to be in 2050. That's pretty soon. That's going to be in your lifetime I mean, I can't help but think we need to be fucking Chicken littling we need to be screaming to people the sky is falling and you gotta do shit I get you and I think there's a balancing act to it

Which is one of the most difficult things about it because there is the immediacy Especially when you consider the experience of like the people in india whose crops are being destroyed Or the people in places that are experiencing drought or the people of the sea ice You know, like it is an immediate thing for a lot of people and we are in a slightly privileged position That we can look at it abstractly. And so cutting through that to make it an immediate issue is important At the same time finding a way to do that without the fatalistic doom part I think is The the part that's essential and I think that that's what is so threatening about people like gretta and these other younger

Climate activists is I think that they're effectively able to do that. Yeah, they're effectively able to walk that balance of This is severely important right now. And this is what we need to do right now. Right without Falling into traps of hopelessness and and gloom I suppose I I mean Yeah, I I have always Is not necessary to make something immediate is if you right, right I mean, I suppose my my issue also was the people who are clapping when gretta spoke You know that always that gets to me, man. Sure. I mean because what are you clapping for? They might not understand what she's saying or they might think that they're cool

You know, like There's there's a hundred reasons. Well, and it wasn't like the whole audience class No, I could tell it was like it was very specific It was it was it was a sporadic applause or maybe a lot of that applause was people who were With her in her group, you know that you don't know who was clapping. Sure. You can read into it a lot of different things You were right worst case scenario. It's delusional people who don't understand what she's saying right best case scenario It's her cheering section who was along for the speech, you know, there's there's a lot of I don't know. Yeah, there's a lot of assumptions that could be made and you're you're absolutely right on that

I just I just it's it's just so And you're you're absolutely right that she can thread the needle Uh, in a way that again, there's a reason she's uh, absolutely a hero of mine, right? And that's what makes her so threatening right because if it was me Yeah, you wouldn't be an effective messenger for this probably not no Probably not. Well, I mean on a grander stage I would have gotten to tell them and Conner Friedersdorf that they're big dumb dumps though

And that would have been very satisfying. That is true. Emotionally speaking. There's a lot to be said. There's no doom and gloom when you get to tell United nations that they are threatening to cut the u.s. Kickoff or something. Yeah. Yeah, that would be fun. Sure So, I mean, I guess I think that Uh, you know just have to you have to treat it like uh, like like you're saying an immediate Yeah, right now kind of situation. We also have to look at actionable items. You have to look at productive solutions as opposed to succumbing to Um ideas that there's nothing you could do and reflect I agree with you

It's it's such a balance and it's very difficult and it's one of the things that I'm not actually very good at I can see that that is important that balance and uh Uh, if you want a path forward, that's the that's a balance you have to have But I do not know what the answer is. Well, one thing I suggest to everybody Uh, just to spite mark moreno. There you go is never use single-use utensils Ever take your take your fun. Honestly, take a fork with you. I'm not joking That would go a long way. That would go a long fucking way because single-use utensils are one of the hugest Uh, and and largest contributing factors to all of the plastic pollution that's going on

And all you have to do right now is never use that fucking you're trying to put those good americans At the spork factory out of the job. Yeah, or bring the sparks in just to spite that piece of shit mark marino There you go. That's what I would recommend And that's an okay emotion. Yeah spite is okay spite is okay against spite. All right doom and fatalist There's nothing you can do. That's negative spite against mark marino at least. Yes perfectly healthy bring your own utensil I mean it So I think we have a website dan. We do we do

And we're on twitter. Yeah knowledge underscore fight and uh go to bed jordan. Uh, also, we are on facebook Yeah, that's right. You can also find us on itunes and various other places where you're gonna Uh, I suppose that makes me What am I I'm not I'm not dzx larks. Oh, I'll tell you who I am. I'm fucking mako shark rampant That's who I am andy and chanzas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding So alexa my first name color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you