Knowledge Fight - #353: Mark Richards Pt. 11

Episode Date: October 9, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan welcome you back to Wacky Wednesday.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan we're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones indeed we are Danathan how are you doing today I like that I like that because just before we started recording you inform me that you've never been booed I feel like after that indeed you've got thousands of people listening got a lot of boo boo pull it out so feel that I do feel it now now you've made it very clear all right what's up what's going on I know you have announced for but have you ever participated I am running for mayor in a wrestling match oh that's a great question professional wrestling

you know I know you've announced it right yeah I thought when you said announced for I thought you meant like that you were going to do something yeah yeah yeah campaign or um no I mean I did uh yeah I did some in-ring announcing and it turns out I'm not very good at that I'm pretty bad my stand-up instincts kick in and yeah instead of just announcing people like people like some noise that's not what you need to wrestling it out so you see the ladies and gentlemen I I'm not good uh at that no I don't think so I mean outside of just like sort of trying to power bomb my friends into beanbags yeah naturally like the church that I went to this place called Woodcrest Chapel in Columbia Missouri a borderline mega church kind of right right right on the edge

they had a giant room full of beanbags that would have like the some of the early early in the church's developments that's where they'd have the youth uh meeting right right right so it's not a mega church it's an awesome church especially in its earlier time yeah it grew considerably in the time that I was there they had tons and tons of giant beanbags uh for people to sit on and chill you know it's the it's cooler than sitting backwards on a chair hell yeah hell yeah and so me and my my buddy Matt what we'd do is we would do like DDTs and power bombs to each other right under the beanbag that's fun so I did some of that but no no real like actual backyard wrestling or anything so the church was almost like a proto office like a tech

startup office like a google where it's like oh we're all sitting around in beanbag chairs man there were some similarities there yeah after I've worked at Groupon I can say there's a feeling similarities yeah yeah um no but it's interesting you asked about wrestling because the other night I watched uh some of hell in the cell hell in a cell oh I've heard WWE pay-per-view yeah I heard something about that how'd it go did not did not go great where the was it hell or was it a hell in a cell hell in a cell is a match where there are two guys it's supposed to be like these guys really want to fucking hurt right right right so you put a cage around them so they can't get out and anything goes no matter what happens it's all fucking legal I remember them

from the attitude to arrow with uh your undertakers and the light going on and kind through the roof yeah that dude's crazy uh so this one ended in a disqualification which is supposed to be exactly counter to the rules disqualification in a cage right yes all right let's just let him out then I guess that's uh that's the hell in the cell Seth Rollins had a sledgehammer and the ref said no no no no no yeah the sledgehammer meanwhile I grew up watching like Triple H his weapon of choice was a sledgehammer yeah you always carry around this it's like this is ridiculous so anyway that'll that'll dissuade me from ever actually doing a wrestling yeah yeah bad taste in my mouth I got from I don't even watch that much wrestling anymore I just like randomly checked in on Sunday yeah I was

like whoo this is disaster not great oh no not great that's that stinks because now that everybody is uh pretty well versed in not just the the wrestling match but also the meta games played above it on the on the writing level it seems like they have far more freedom to do what whatever they want and ending in a disqualification in a cell matches that's bad yeah that's bad when uh sort of that that kayfabe is gone yeah everyone kind of understands there's a storytelling no one's trying to pretend it's actually people fighting each other right yeah it does introduce a like well that was a decision yeah why did you do so much so yeah it's weird yep you you thought about that in advance yeah it's strange yeah anyway this is a podcast where I know quite a bit about uh I

guess hell in a cell from the other night yeah I know a lot about Alex Jants and I don't know anything about either correct but it doesn't matter Jordan because today we are taking a long overdue wacky Wednesday break to finally to finally get back to project Camelot land to check in with old sweary carry Cassidy hell yeah uh carry Cassidy is a woman who goes around and interviews space weirdos people who claim to have been to space have a lot of interactions with space or just have a telescope one guy who works at a bus station has a telescope and she's interviewed interviewed him multiple times man her roster is not good not deep I was going through it and there's just man there's such lunatics that she's talked to but her main lunatic the main person her biggest source

is a guy named Mark Richards who is in prison for masterminding a murder that he absolutely committed yes she claims that he's innocent and so does he he was he was off-planet at the time we will get into that a little bit yeah that is rehashed yeah of course it is as always I imagine so and he he tells carry stories about how he's a secret space program captain and one of the greatest heroes that humanity has ever known 100 and she believes everything he tells her his father is the Dutchman flying Dutchman yep uh yep I can't remember his real first name but he's got an invisible artificial intelligence was it artificial intelligence or was it regular intelligence it's I think it's a regular intelligence he has a sentient spacecraft named Minerva yeah yeah yeah

um there's a lot of details we'll get into some of it and if you want to know more about it we have a bunch episodes about him but this is the 11th interview and it's very exciting we've been waiting for a long time for Kerry to do anything worth going over oh yeah and so here we are um but before we get down to that great excitement uh we should take a little moment Jordan to say thank you to people who've signed up and are sporting the show that sounds great so first of all David thank you so much you are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you David next Alex Jones in the bone zone thank you so much you are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you so much AJ and the bj or bz I think that's uh buzz marketing for a caveman oh okay possibly fair enough next

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website clicking the button that says uh sport show thank you to our patreon where which uh you know hey patreon's not perfect but uh what are you gonna do yeah I'm not obsessed I'm not going on patreon I didn't even know if that still exists but anyway uh Jordan uh we're gonna get down to business let's do it but first here is an out of context drop from today's show now who you're gonna call when you go to war with ET ah ghostbusters Drew Barrymore no you do not ask who you're gonna call if the answer is not the ghostbusters who you're gonna call it's in the song and it seemed like she was saying it without the real knowledge of what she was doing I can't imagine I really feel like she said who you're gonna call I know who are you gonna call I know who

should you call I bet if you asked her she'd be like I don't know what ghostbusters is well the answer isn't ghostbusters if you're gonna fight ET okay I assume it's the secret space program it's probably Mark yeah so here we go let's jump in uh with uh very standard uh episode introduction from Kerry hi I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot hi Kerry today I'm going to be covering my latest interview with Captain Mark Richards of the secret space program and I interviewed him in the beginning of September however I've had multiple issues with both computers and uh the various renditions I've tried to do of this little talk and uh now I'm trying this all over again so here we go and hopefully this will work so apparently she has recorded this a couple times

yeah yeah that is important it definitely comes into play okay okay um so she's uh delayed in this she has gone to visit mark Richards maybe like a month ago or so and now she's finally being able to get this information out right right and that's great um as we know every single time the Kerry comes back from visiting mark Richards she can't record any audio she can't record video so all we have to go on is her memory of things right but thankfully the uh prison people don't allow her to have a pen I know but she does get a small pencil so what happens is uh I am only allowed a pencil small pencil to take notes with so this is called total recall 11 this is my 11th interview with Captain Mark Richards so what happens is what I go into the prison and what does she just cut

around three hours sometimes longer I think this time it was around three hours and I am able to ask him as many questions as I can even think of although I'm not allowed to take any notes into the prison so if I didn't remember to ask a question that you requested I do apologize I don't I mean I guess that kind of makes sense you don't want to let someone bring in some kind of like information right right right I can maybe see that that flow can you bring in your phone I think they probably confiscated yeah they would have to right otherwise you can use your notebook yeah if you're going to talk to a cult leader slash a murderer right right right maybe they don't want you to have your phone with you that's probably a good idea um so you you responded

exactly as I hoped you might to that jump cut there's a huge jump cut there yeah oh yeah and this has to do with what Kerry said in the introduction that she's having difficulties there's clearly tech problems going on okay but then there's also like you'll see a theme developing that she's just editing this very weirdly yeah this broadcast that she's uh she's putting out yeah um I have some theories about that and we'll get to them as this goes along but what's important is that Mark Richards is not a murderer right as we know to be proven in the uh the court system all evidence confessions of his conspirators no all of these things not true he was not he was framed for murder and for everybody who hasn't heard all of the mark Richards episodes here is Kerry explaining the

situation again in the beginning I want to say this uh sort of there was the word this interview takes place in Solano prison in northern california and for over 35 years captain mark Richards has been and still is a prisoner of war in the war between on and off planet races that have dominated earth for centuries he is an honorable officer of the navy who because of his rebellion against the draco and reptoids which is called the luciferian alliance is considered a threat to their operations he was framed for a murder he is accused of having masterminded while he was on a mission off planet in service to humanity of course he was a captain of a starship enterprise type vessel from an a very early age in fact uh probably early 20s and even earlier than that until he was arrested

in uh I believe it was 1982 and frame for murder as a mastermind uh again he is framed for a murder he is accused of having masterminded while he was on a mission off planet in service to humanity you hear that that's just exactly repeating what she had just said that's because there's another jump cut there where she's like redoing the the stuff what is going on I have a big theory about this so my first thought when we got the first jump cut was she called the prison guards like Zionists or something like that that would be my first thought is like oh she's cutting out a lot of weird shit I think uh there's good reason for you to think that I don't I don't think that's the case okay but based on what we know of character now uh the different picture that we have of her

from when we started talking about her uh yeah I think she she might believe some things like that I don't think that that's the case yeah I think that uh I think this is just clunky editing yeah she's going to create a conspiracy out of it oh do you think she's doing it on purpose in order to okay I do not she's just shitty at editing yes gotcha gotcha okay and I think she keeps this speaking because there's a there's a uh an instance of this later where she uses the wrong name for someone and then there's immediately a jump cut so like it's pretty clear to me that what's going on is that she's fucking up her script yeah and then she's poorly editing the pieces together and then after the fact is like inserting an explanation for it she's gonna end up blaming

aliens don't yeah no no of course of course I feel like I can tell you that now because it's kind of implied right right I'm not worried about that yeah I have not experienced this in other interviews of hers these like this like high level yeah of just terrible presentation this editing the slip-ups and like like at the end of that she she says that he was framed for this murder because he was off-planet in service of humanity and a small pause and then it the exact same thing again it's like this is just you need to smooth this out yeah that's weird yeah it indicates a lack of care about the product you're putting out when you have this level of and like hey you know like if it's this bad and there's like jump cuts to the point where just anybody listening is like what's

going on yeah what are you PJ dubs re-record it I know this is only an hour long video well she's already tried to record it a few times do I believe that Jordan it's a long time do I believe that an hour how long does that even take dad about an hour yeah it's a one-to-one measurement so now we get down to the substance of what's going on this has all been prelude up to this point sure um and now Kerry gets into uh I don't know if this is the big deal but it it takes up a bunch of her time um and that is that she has run into a super soldier that we are kind of aware of that we've we've talked about in the past and he has a half-brained a harebrained idea oh okay so the first uh real topic that we discussed is the randy kramer situation regarding revisiting the alien

false flag scenario and I told mark briefly about that idea and randy kramer is again a super soldier us marine and he was also speaking at the young conference with me and other speakers and hopefully that footage will be available in the near future fingers crossed I'd love to see that conference that'll be amazing that'll be awesome um so we got randy kramer who is actually the subject of our first project can't write right before we discovered mark Richards yes yeah um who's a super soldier uh and he has come out and he's talking about the alien false flag scenario okay and I will just probably try and explain this to you right now because it's really hard to put together from what Kerry is saying naturally the bottom line here is uh that she believes that

randy kramer is coming out to this conference the two of them are speaking at and discussing on behalf of his military handlers sure the idea of precipitating an alien false flag in order to force disclosure okay okay disclosure of what alien existence oh okay okay so all right we need the world to understand that there's aliens and there's battles going on right down the street right understand no no over like michigan right now dude there are stargates there is a battle happening there are stargates everywhere anytime you see inclement weather that's not a storm oh yeah cover for an alien battle have you ever known anybody with cancer actually spider venom probably yeah so giant spider venom because of that because that's

the real world situation that we're dealing with we need disclosure of the alien so all humans can be aware of this stuff however the evil powers that be the globalists the new world order the illuminati they do not want to disclose all this stuff because if it is disclosed humanity and the population will learn that they've been hoarding all of the secret technology for themselves right free energy all the miracle cures uh uh i guess probably alchemy who knows oh yeah of course so all this stuff is alien technology that they've stolen for themselves will be revealed and then there will be a lynch mob out on the street trying to like why did you keep this technology from us yeah yeah so in order to peacefully do this sure they need to have an alien false flag

they need to have a fake version of aliens appearing in order to explain this technology being rolled out randy kramer is coming out and saying that his military handlers or whatever yeah are allowing him to start talking about that it it's convoluted right that's why even just playing clips of kary talking about this right right doesn't really make it make sense okay but that's what she's talking about okay that's randy kramer's uh input into this bullshit yeah it is it is always fun to me how one the plans of their perceived enemies are terrible they're just they make no sense right it's stupid and now admittedly i would feel betrayed if i found out that like fucking nancy polosi has all kinds of secret technology that would bum me out right

but two their schemes to counter the ridiculous schemes are far more ridiculous on top of that totally they wouldn't it's amazing um the other they're shitty at planning coming and going the other part of this too is that like okay some of these miracle cures that randy kramer talks about involve age regression right they like eternal youth that kind of thing why would david rockefeller end up being like a super unhealthy 90 year old dude if he had access to this this life extension age regression technology that is his public face he takes the mask off when he gets home always come on alchem's razor i've seen mission impossible alchem's razor tells us that you were correct so uh this leads into talking about this situation a little bit more and how the

kary might not call it the globalists they call it like the secret space program yeah the illuminati templars that kind of thing right they have all of this uh this technology and uh so this leads into like the dynamics of the disclosure stuff he was talking about the military's frustration with our current standstill on planet earth with regard to disclosure and the fact that they have a very high state of technology in the secret space program that they have been unable to release into the public domain in part because disclosure has not happened here on earth i thought it was copyright law that is making everything much more difficult so what we have is a rogue civilization which involves the u.s

military and the secret space program the illuminati and various other factions including various et races sure and therefore they are operating on uh basically what can even be considered to be thousands of years in advance of what we are currently dealing with here on planet thousand so the surfacer do you mean it's called nothing so this is a big deal and uh uh randy kramer military are now coming up with a solution that has to do with revisiting this idea of a of a false flag alien invasion right or a project blue beam of course what it's been known by in the past only thing that makes sense or a fake alien invasion so this is the uh the solution here uh if you've heard of project blue beam it comes up all the fucking time why would i have

heard of project blue beam maybe if you know things fair enough maybe if you're a researcher i am not it's one of the biggest most popular uh sort of things within ufo conspiracy paranormal communities and the first thing that i should point out to you i think this is very important about project blue beam uh it's not a real thing yeah the name refers to a project that a guy named surge monest claimed exists but no evidence to support the claim has ever been presented according to monest in order to fully bring in the new world order the bad guys first need to create a new age religion to replace the religions people currently subscribe to but it also seems like he's mostly interested in talking about the bringing down of christianity yeah if you look at his primary

sources it seems all about destroying christianity all right the other world religions are kind of just a afterthought yeah that need to go down this is mostly targeted at christianity so he wants to destroy christianity no or oh they want a whistle blowing on this project right right right sure sure right that seems to be his primary focus the destruction of christianity in order to achieve this goal they need to destroy these current religions which uh the bad guys would do with targeted earthquakes at specific sites around the world which would ultimately unearth evidence that contradicts the known world religions this would be a dumb plan since most religious belief is not based on empirical evidence and it isn't really susceptible to that kind of counterpoint

also it's a simpsons episode well we'll get to that oh no either way even the simpsons did fucking space weirdo shit god either way once this new world religion is in place the nwo would then use holograms to project the deities and avatars of each religion to the people in the areas where that religion is prominent right so like jesus would show up in christian areas the buddha and buddhist ones mohammed and islamic ones i guess they'd throw a tree in for wikens or something i think yeah a really big one gaya yeah uh ultimately all of these avatars would then merge into one new god the god of the new world order the antichrist sure whichever one would then worship but it's all just a trick it's all holograms now now that the public accepts this new god the nwo

would begin using electronic waves uh to begin projecting thoughts into people's heads making them think that god is talking to them this would facilitate their ultimate goal which is making everyone think that a real crisis is imminent in the form of an impending alien invasion or the rapture whatever sure sure they decide to take yeah the people would be so scared that they would beg for the implementation of the new world order and just like that the one world government is established easy as riding a riding a bike uh i mean uh if everything goes according to plan i agree with you uh yeah so long as there are zero zero mistakes along the way there that fucking rube goldberg machine of a silly plan there are a lot of really dumb parts to that plan

probably too many to count uh and the date that this was supposed to be set into motion this plan it's a couple weeks ago predicted incorrectly a lot of times a lot of times i'm less interested in how logistically stupid this plan is and more interested in a few things that stick out to me that make me think that alex jones definitely believes in project blue beam okay but he's smart enough not to talk about it because he knows if he does he's gonna look like a fucking stupid space weird yeah yeah yeah first thing alex definitely believes the globalists are trying to destroy christianity in order to have their own religion right he's said this a bunch of times whether it's in the form of him saying that like the state is the new religion or sometimes he says political

correctness sure and it's always the thing where the globalists are trying to get rid of these religions because they're a threat like christianity is a threat to the ability to the new world order right into place right follows very closely with this uh project blue beam i believe i uh i heard the quote from a knight's templar uh that religions are quote pesky second this supposed plan follows almost exactly the hegellian dialectic that alex is obsessed with the problem reaction solution naturally and yet how he insists the globalists operate they can only take power by creating chaos which they then provide a solution to that sort of thing really fits with alex's conception right right right third everything in this theory matches up with things that alex

believes the un is behind the plans it involves destroying national sovereignty it involves making all money electronic it involves the destruction of the family unit it involves camps for people who won't accept the new world order it involves the human sacrifice specifically of christian children it involves the literal devil being behind the new world order it involves movies and television shows preparing the world for the rollout of the plans predictive programming okay there's heavy overlap that's a lot yeah there's one other aspect i might say too much maybe there's one other aspect to this that makes me suspect that alex believes this shit most of the people who believe in this theory are basing their belief on a 1994 lecture given by

surge monest one small point about this lecture it's only available as a transcript published on educateyourself.org and i have bad news about this site uh in the middle of the lecture the editor of the site interrupts to say quote at this point interrupting the transcript i'm compelled to include three statements from the protocols of the elders of zahra compelled by by whom the spirit christ in an effort to reinforce this monest guy his claims the natural move is to say this is right in line with the protocols yeah so i guess blue beam is being run by the jews yeah yeah i how could we imagine that they weren't behind this naturally in the lecture monest argues that the plan was originally to start this plan up in 1983 ultimately bringing in the new world order

the next year which explains the name of orwell's book 1984 they're always a lot of uh oh he wrote the book that must mean that he's the one telling us what they're doing and so on and so forth yes this lecture was in 1994 and you know what that means the globalists are 10 years behind on their plans oh no no that's a claim that fucking no that's a claim that alex is so consistent in making we've joked about it a ton in the past like how he randomly just says that they're 10 years behind with no citation or explanation for what he's talking about in my specific sources that i've been able to find that alex has referenced in other contexts i can't find any real concrete instances of people saying that the globalist plans are 10 years behind but this lecture about

project blue beam no is very explicit about exactly that no no stop it does that mean that alex is taking his ideas from this place not necessarily but it's a possibility right it matches with this very bizarre element that we've seen yeah uh why are they 10 years behind well i mean this project blue beam was 10 years behind very explicitly jesus i don't know oh man man and this is right around when alex started his uh radio career oh god there's so much bullshit out there naturally we're gonna get coincidences and maybe it could be that maybe not even not even that maybe it could just be osmosis like he's aware of these space weirdos given their 10 years and that's just filtered into his head you know that's possible but there are so many fucking ones that show up yeah it's

it's entirely possible it's just a coincidence and that a lot of people have ideas about the bad guys being 10 years behind yeah it's it's possible i mean 10 is a nice round number it's certainly yeah so kary is listing off project blue beam as a time when the government had considered using an alien false flag in order to bring in control of the population sure and now she's learned that super soldier randy kramer along with his very real military cohorts are thinking about using the same tricks to force the government's hand about alien disclosure so they'll be forced to release all the secret technology they've been keeping for themselves so we're using the n w o's plan against them new new new world order obviously the first two

problems that come up here are one there's no way randy kramer is going to be able to pull off a faking an alien invasion he doesn't have the resources the planning skills creativity or anything that would be needed right right yeah he doesn't have these military handlers now he's all bullshit yeah second that's an issue project blue beam wasn't a real government plan and people have actually been able to trace down where surge monist got his ideas from uh okay all the various plans that the new world order was supposedly going to be carrying out were all elements of an unproduced script that gene roddenberry had written in 1975 in a first attempt at making star trek into a movie the script had been unreleased in 1975 when he had written it

and it got shelved but in 1994 just prior to monist coming out with his lecture in revelations joel engel had written a book called gene roddenberry the myth and the man behind star trek which had included a bunch of information about this shelved project uh though it was never made into a movie back in 1975 many elements of the original script were used in the 1991 star trek the next generation episode the devils do which also predates monists conspiracy theories all of this comes from star trek god dammit peccard this is all just gene roddenberry shit of course of course why wouldn't it be and the devils do is like a really highly rated episode like it's one of them like more uh and it's also just about like captain peccard trying to get into like

a legal arbitration against an alien it's like why is this a show it's awesome but right right right of course we need to settle some trade disputes yeah yeah i gotcha so project blue being being used as an example is first of all just like i mean i love it i love it i love the idea that this all just traces back to an unproduced gene rodden well i mean fucking mark richards piloted craft that was very much like uh the fucking star trek starship enterprise yeah yeah kerry said it earlier exactly yeah enterprise like craft it is it is never never surprising to me how little effort or imagination these people put into their bullshit it's and it's crazy how overt it is yeah like this is something that even conspiracy communities and paranormal communities have called

this out about yeah yeah you don't need to go to skeptic sites to find the information about project bluebeam just being a ripoff from star trek right right you'll find that in ufo sites they even discredit this shit oh they discredit it okay not all of them okay but people who are on closer to the up and up right right for sure okay people who are a little bit more critical of information are like there's no way he didn't take this from that yeah maybe he didn't even steal it from that but this information was out there there's a really good chance that he had seen the next generation episode maybe read the engels book yeah uh and just incorporated it into a theory yeah so i don't know i think it's stupid uh huh or he uh astral projected into gene rodden barry's house could

have been looked over his shoulder while he was writing that script and was like that's exactly what the nw what would do exactly that makes sense and then of course the problem with this whole bullshit is that like even if you bring up and point out all this stuff they'd be like yeah well you know what gene rodden barry was just cia yeah seven eight predictive yeah predictive programming messages of course that would be in a star trek episode right right because they need to prepare the world to experience right right right so we're trying to pull y'all are trapped we're trying to pull a false flag independence day is what is what's going on here more or less um so that's great and that'll come back up this is going to be a theme that sort of reappears

of course there's randy kramer coming out with false flag alien information um but before we get back to that uh we have some more information uh from mark okay and this like is another trend that i'm seeing more and more of in these interviews and that is trying to take anything that people could be worried about and saying it's just aliens okay and i think that you do a great disservice to reality oh you think yeah the idea here is that uh the hidden wars uh are also hidden by fires in california that happened in the last two years we had fires in northern and southern california simultaneously uh in the month i think it was of october last year and that was uh in 2018 and also in 2017 we're coming upon the fire season again this year we'll see what happens

so you've got these fires that are largely the result of climate change and and uh sort of changing ecosystems yeah yeah and instead of dealing with that in a real way and thinking about solutions and possible ways forward right you pretend that they're just cover-ups for alien invasions right that makes sense that's a real trend that we're going to see not just in relation to climate stuff but in terms of any kind of geopolitical issue everything is just aliens man yeah and what it does is it kind of enforces a complacency on people because if if in reality all of the world's issues are really just covering up alien invasions yeah what can you do other than tell us about the aliens yeah there's nothing else you can really do there aren't avenues for

productive change yeah like based on that everything is going great there isn't international conflict right there isn't climate change humans are all in this together we all love each other so much there is there are no problems except the one problem and that is fucking aliens it's a big one it is a big one yeah now let me ask you a question sure is there any way for us to broadcast our show to perhaps the draco the reptoids or the raptors i don't think they'd listen because i feel like that's how we could make a our show our show you and me we could make a difference in this fucking eternal war apparently sure we could try and reach detente i think we can do it we could have our own little yalta conference yeah absolutely we'll set a fire in here we'll cover it up and

we'll we'll meet with the draco my house burned down like 10 years ago i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm very sensitive about house fires i apologize well false flag something else okay um maybe a thunderstorm that's very nice nice gentle rain absolutely so uh we get back to the false flag the uh alien false flag scenario here naturally um and so kerry was at this conference with randy and uh she apparently there was a talk back section where she got to ask some questions and she is not thrilled with some of randy's responses i challenged randy kramer uh to a duel at well during his talk and that created something of a big kind of uh to do because randy was not happy with the challenge and actually we parted as friends so it it was all in in really

a positive light but nonetheless i did ask him who what kind of alien they were going to choose for this alien evasion and it was my first question he didn't answer the question i asked him that several times she keeps asking which aliens are going to pin this on and i i know i know why she was asking that don't she wanted to say she wanted him to say the raptor don't you dare blame the raptors say the raptors totally it's it's all about the only thing she's trying to protect her uh like uh friendly alien races yeah yeah yeah like tell your military people that the raptors shall not be used in this false flag situation lest they get bad press right they love humans they just eat children for chocolate sometimes yeah it's crazy you know behind the scenes but

when they're not performing you expect them to be like hey look i know you're on your grift i'm on my grift right well we're gonna part as friends it was great it was great theater we did out there but in reality they do go behind the scenes and they're like the raptors had nothing to do with this shit man it seems like that might be the case although a q and a session during this conference is still kind of performance time no that's what i'm saying yeah that's the theater that they're doing is they're publicly showing all the other space weird but we're unaware of any actual like arguing behind the scenes right except for self reporting of arguing behind the scenes exactly so it still all could be to an extent performative right to and weirdly enough

to an extent i think i trust kary when she says they came away with this positively oh i'm sure i think i think i trust her there's only so much arguing you can do about imaginary things eventually you're either gonna fight or be like right listen we both want the same thing let's have a drink calm down yeah whatever um so this took place at the yelma conference kary keeps saying and uh i just let that slide for like the first four or five times she brought it up split that up the yelma conference yelma conference yes okay so after she said it a bunch of times like randy was there and he's talking about big revelations i decided i got to look into this yeah i i generally you know i figured initially that's like okay it's probably a bunch

of space weirdos they rented out a hotel conference room what the fuck ever right right right but it wasn't a name i'd ever heard before so like let's learn a little the yelm cosmic symposium started in 2017 as an offshoot of the yelm ufo fest held in yelm washington population 6800 i've watched some promotional videos of the ufo fest and it's mostly people setting up booths to sell alien t-shirts and some absurd musical performances by people in absurd costumes love it it's basically basically a commercial enterprise mixed with a state fair kind of environment where people are selling like alien bobbleheads and you know that you got a picture in your head of it if you just imagine a state fair but it's all alien right right right it's a it's a starship commercial

enterprise yeah yeah and that's kind of the sense that i got and it's it's an assessment that's borne out by a number of articles from local papers right that i could find about the event everybody's kind of having a good time yeah and it's your families you know yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like a futuristic fair a ren fair yeah and there's like people who do art and they they'll do like alien themed art for sale on site great this is wholesome fun yeah it seems like a good time the ufo fest is free since they want families to come in and enjoy the food vendors and weird bands and overalls have a good time yeah while also providing the highest number possible of potential customers for the alien merch vendors yeah that's the relationship that's going on there

that's fine the cosmic symposium the conference is not free that's for the hardcore guys yes gotcha an article in the daily chronicle from 2017 put the price of tickets at $250 for a three day pass to the symposium okay all right one of the speakers that year in 2017 was a woman named jz night who claims that she can channel a 35 000 year old warrior spirit named ramtha right who's attracted she's attracted a large number of followers right because of this she's also dropped the blueprint for indeed probably important to point out that the founder of the cult education center has described jz night's ramtha group as fulfilling the main requirements to be called a quote destructive cult okay now that's an issue yeah we should start there the splc reported in 2014 on

videos of some of her lectures to her followers that included her saying things like the following quote fuck god's chosen people i think they've earned enough cash i think they've earned enough cash to have paid their way out of the goddamn gas chambers by now wow yeah what the fuck yeah so it's real cool that you don't even know what that means it's real cool that she's still invited to speak at this cosmic symposium three years after this came out jesus also earlier this year night tried to reach out to the qanon community by saying that q was a divine intelligence naturally this isn't surprising on a very basic level if a cult leader knows anything it's how to identify vulnerable populations for potential followers yeah and the q people are the biggest game in

town on that level oh absolutely anybody who's smart right now who is a cult leader trying to sign in on people yeah absolutely yeah yeah with the absence of eight jan and uh they're sort of guiding light right uh it's they're ripe for radicalization in a direction a different direction yeah now that q has a power vacuum yeah fucking sweep that shit up and everybody's very important to pay attention to yeah and law enforcement better be watching that god isn't that amazing that you can see these other parasitic cult leaders like literally trying to find like the giant q section that's for them and just take it away yeah that's so wild that these people are so dumb that go from q to this bullshit i mean call it dumb or call it in a bad place uh possibly vulnerable i mean look

my parents were in a cult i know how you get into a cult i think vulnerable is a better way to put it because dumb has such a judging con uh connotation to it and a lot of people are in a circumstance in their life that makes them uh susceptible sure yeah yeah like some of it is a choice and some of it isn't people's fault when they are the victims of this sort of malicious acts by manipulators right right so i don't know i i like to not presume judgment as best i can so let me uh i i agree with you on your first cult but if you start in cult one and then jump over to cult two that's on you that's on you maybe that's on you second cult no maybe but i also cult me once shape on me that would be nice but also it doesn't always work in a way where someone's

in a cult then they become completely disillusioned yeah and that's where they go from yeah sometimes you're in a cult and you think like oh some of this was right but someone was wrong let me refine this yeah then you join another one yeah of course i think i think being part of one almost makes you more prone and vulnerable to be yeah no and i can i can totally see where you're coming from there i wish it was the case that like all of this was rational choices yeah yeah but it is i don't i don't think it is absolutely so i mean but that has nothing to do with jay z night like she is a monster who's definitely no 100 yeah the people who are being targeted by her get a little bit more uh empathy but for her i mean and like i said those videos of her yelling anti-semitic

racist shit came out in 2014 she was invited to the 2017 yelm uh conference the cosmic symposium yeah no you scratch all these people you're gonna get somebody who ate the juice that tells you something though like what are the standards by which they're booking this conference if they allow someone like her who's a just running a destructive cult that has very strong anti-semitic leanings that's not just someone who channels a fucking alien and it's quirky yeah that's someone who is as ill will yeah and they're still like it's fine so in 2018 the festival was cut down to a two-day event and in 2019 it was renamed the earth ufo festival and in 2019 it appears the price had been cut down to $150 for full access to the symposium no one really announces the lineup of

this you do get double patriot points though that is true but yeah so the lineup is tough to uh find of this conference but thankfully kary put a list up on her website and this year she was there along with randy kramer but also mark richards wife joanne was there of course and mark richards associate simon parks right was also there giving lectures yeah and the guy who uh had sex with an alien every year yeah and the guy and there is a suspicious uh d period duke on there i don't know what i don't know what that was about i looked a little deeper and i found that in 2018 last year kary was there too she was there two years in a row yeah and that year she had a three hour time slot on saturday which is way too long no no no it boggles the mind how off the rails that must

have got yeah if if that wasn't enough you know who else uh you know was there who came on stage right after her jordan sather the noted qanon promoter who's involved with that whole let's drink bleach thing earlier this year good to see this festival only book in the top people man these guys just fucking weird they just know they just know each other also weirdly randy kramer and simon parks were both speakers that year too yeah there's a heavy heavy overlap in the rosters from year to year yeah so i had to dig deep into the ufo fest's facebook page to find the lineup for the first year in 2017 but guess what simon parks and randy kramer were there that year too they've been there every year okay but it gets better do they help organize it or something i don't

think so at least not in any official announcement got any way i can find weird but get this also in 2017 you know who else was there joanne richards andrew basiago the man who claims that he uh was enlisted as a child to go on teleporting missions to mars with a young kid who would grow up to be president barack obama yeah i recall him he also says he's a half dolphin warrior he's a half dolphin warrior he can breathe underwater which which part he has run for president a number of times it plans to in 2020 i i need this i need this clarified where is the it's a dna thing it's okay so he's a he doesn't have fins half hyphen dolphin not half dolphin hyphen warrior no he's not half a man who fights dolphins as i recall he is a half dolphin as i who fights other people as i

recall from listening to an interview what it is is that he can breathe underwater okay that's all right so he can go down to like uh the bremuda triangle there's a uh base down there and because he is half dolphin and can breathe underwater he uh is able to swim down there right or something gotcha that's what i remember of that interview that sounds fun years ago from him anyway he was there the first year naturally basiago okay what i'm getting at is this conference looks like shit it's an offshoot of a state fair s ufo festival and the lineup of speaker seems to be just whoever says yes regardless of whether or not they're completely mentally unstable regardless of whether or not they're cult leaders there's a lot of lame ufo symposiums but honestly this one seems about

like the lamest yeah that doesn't sound good that's that's not so that's where randy kramer's putting out his ufo false flag gotcha uh scenario and it's held in a best western in yelma gotcha no i don't you don't even think it's all up to the best western territory it's out in a field man oh they got an awesome cool i i would like to go to it i wouldn't i wouldn't pay for the symposium oh god no but it does seem like well if it's out in a field we could just walk in yeah i've i've snuck into lala pelusa don't tell no one you think i paid to get into that monster truck rally i told you about a couple episodes back please oh man i'm sorry i'm sorry i would assume that i'm a sneaker okay so we get back to this and uh they talk some more about this um this false leg strategy thing

and uh here if you pay close attention uh you'll see what i was talking about earlier why i think she's editing okay because in the middle of this she calls randy ron and you'll clearly hear that's exactly where the edit happens okay i did talk about this dichotomy and why they would have to go to these lengths to bring disclosure and of course the obvious one is that they don't want lynch mobs to come forward when things like free energy etc are the the basically uh the result of disclosure and that this kind of disclosure would create a great deal of chaos after which they would as according to ron after which according to randy kramer they would trot out the free energy and all of the new toys etc that they've been using and obviously uh commercial

off-planet travel and the fact that they go in an interstellar there's so many ways to edit better than this i don't understand what don't you understand i don't understand how you could edit like why do you fade out yeah like why you could and even then why are you editing it but leaving in ron yeah like you could edit it so or you could just not you could just be like ron oops sorry randy that's all you have to do it would be super simple super easy it does seem to imply that maybe she said something or maybe she's like so angry that she said ron and then started screaming obscenities ron that piece of shit zinus god damn it i said it again clip yep i don't know it's just very clear to me based on things like that there are there are instances of that and like you kind

of see like oh whenever there's these jumps yeah it's probably because there was some problem with the original recording yeah yeah and she's not good enough at editing or production right that you just like you do another take and then you make it obvious that there's a second take yeah so carry it so weird but she addresses these jump cuts in the middle of the episode of course it's it's getting to be an issue and she has no real explanation for it there is these weird drop frames that's happening with me and we don't know why in this recording so i want to apologize for that and you will see it periodically convenient that these dropped frames are you know just that's such a fun that's just like when you build an audience like that where you can just say

we're looking into what is clearly just i'm shitty at editing but why and they're like haha it must be aliens who are dropping it out or dad next theory she is living in a reality that is jump cutting her oh it could be yeah you're getting ahead of it a little bit because she still doesn't have an explanation she's just saying it's happening right and maybe like 10 minutes later or so she does explain reality itself is glitching that's the only thing that i can i would love that to be the explanation it's far simpler it's just probably aliens okay and i do want to say that um my these interviews are now being interfered with in a very strange way sure i have now disconnected my yeti microphone because of the drop frames issue that's happening

but but it's not really a drop frame because i can see that it's happening here again and i don't have a yeti microphone connected so what's happening is that whatever et races i'm not even connected to the internet right now are interfering with my brand new computer and my my sort of trying to record this interview here this interview recall so please bear with me when you see the jumps in the frames that is uh some kind of interference that is happening it may be this you know the military is shooting could be pulse beam weapon at this thing could have had that in other interviews in the past sure or on the other hand it could be just uh you know some gray negative et's or whatever absolutely like to ask them to leave and

they're very polite work and so that's what's happening here when she said it just could be i really thought she was going to say it just could be some sort of a processing issue nope nope i knew for i knew there was zero chance that she said it could just be and then the thing that comes after it is gray aliens i was like i should have known better i should have i thought it would be like hey look i don't really know this computer super well yet it's brand new i i don't know maybe the uh settings aren't set totally right there's all kinds of like little minutia thing like we've had this oh yeah we've had this happen a bunch of times but through our recording it's we've had different recording um sort of paradigms yeah setups over the course of doing this show and

especially when we switched from me playing the clips from my phone to doing it straight from the computer yeah there were a ton of little slip-ups yeah i could have very easily been like alex is doing a d-dos attack on us yeah no it's just a technology you're not used to whatever system you're using or uh whatever don't like i don't understand the need for bravado like this i will tell i will tell you this 100 percent here was my thought as she was going through that she was like is something's interfering with my new computer i was like it's your new computer and there is no chance in hell you will even acknowledge that that could be the possibility no chance in hell she's actually more furious at the graze than she is at the fact that she doesn't know how to use

her new fucking computer it does seem that way and it's interesting i mean it is a window into how like this thought process yeah works like everything is an indication of what you want it to be every single damn thing yeah fits into the pre-constructed narrative that you already have i'm having a difficult time getting this episode together because i keep misspeaking or uh this program glitches and i'm not entirely sure how to use it yep uh well that's gotta be a fucking pulse weapon attack just yep grow up although i wonder if that eliminates stress that like you know how you have that moment where suddenly like for some reason you've just lost the remote control it's probably stuck in the in the couch or something like that and you can't find it

and suddenly you're just so furious there is no reason for you to be so angry that you can't find this remote control it's such a petty silly thing sure but you're just like everything this is all bad i am as a person i can't even find a fucking remote she doesn't have that she's just like oh alien stole it all right i'll get a new remote i suspect she's crazy i suspect that there's still the same anger it's just just directed at aliens i don't think that this like sort of frees you up to be zen about the the frustrations that happen in life it's just it's just a way to cut off self reflection you punch a wall and yell reptoid instead of just punching a wall that's what from now on from now on i will if i am ever angry i will punch him wall and yell reptoid god damn it

beings that's how we that's how we know each other yeah i don't think i i appreciate what you're suggesting and if that were the case then maybe i would recommend this being a therapeutic way to look at the world but i don't think that's the case yeah okay so you can meditate on ohm or you can believe that raptors are behind everything choose your choose your own adventure it's a big world there's a lot of options so we get back to randy yes and now so so far this alien false flag disclosure by the way not a lot of mark yet uh there's a lot of randy at the beginning how far are we into this um you know a ways okay i would say that this is probably about like two thirds mark and one third gotcha gotcha but the randy stuff is a little bit more substantive

because there's like you know there's an actual conference that she went to you can look into she brought a project bluebeam you know there's there's more things yeah um but she uh she now kind of makes a conspiracy out of this there might be randy kramer might be working across purposes okay a little bit she's sort of casting suspicion okay now it's also important to realize that in this scenario that they could trot an idea forward through randy kramer to this very alternative group in yelm which is a very small conference and uh then it would disseminate out from there the idea being he said to keep humans a certain amount of humans very small that would trickle down into the alternative community and so that those people during the battles with

aliens that are actually real battles would be putting out the idea that they're fake battles so that there would be some cooler heads out there putting the doubt this is again an illuminati tactic they want to put forth the idea that on the one hand we are battling aliens but on the other hand they're fake aliens when in reality they're real aliens i don't even care i'm not i i'm i'm you're shaking your head i'm this is the first time where i've been angry at her for coming up with the thing that i would have said to mock her with how stupid this plan is i i just want to say it's one of those things are you just like just throw your hands up yeah yeah what are you gonna do with this yeah don't even carry don't even explain it just say double bluff and then we'll

move on all right so maybe the illuminati is getting uh randy to say this stuff in order to hip uh some real cool people yeah we'll have calmer heads right in order to be there when a real alien invasion happens to say hey it's just a fake alien invasion when it's actually a real right so it's it's it's a it's exhausting it's a co-opting of man i just i can't hang i can't carry that's the dumbest shit you've ever said but what's pretty remarkable about it is that there is an element of this that is like really it's i mean it's directed in a very dumb direction but it's kind of good critical thinking you know like in terms of it being like what are the possibilities okay okay okay you know i can see your angle here take away the fact that they're

talking about a fake alien right right right put the x in yes a variable for that and kary is considering like all right what are the motivations for saying x like the fact that she's taken it that far into like all right maybe it's sincere maybe it's right maybe it's fake sincere right like at least there's that path that's being walked but right it's ultimately all meaningless yes at least it is an exercise down like the paths that you should walk with information yeah it doesn't lead you to the right place though do you know what's crazy what what i find very strange since we have it's misdirected critical thinking yes no absolutely uh i suppose not strange but almost almost even more even it's heartening in a way that is more disheartening than it could ever be

is that through our time with kary uh she has become more critically thinking uh minded maybe she's however the problem is she has applied it to even more insane ideas true you know like she used to again we used to call or i used to call her the most credulous person that could be had she just believed everything yeah and now she's pushing back on people she's grown as a person only to become more paranoid and insane well it's like that's uh like when when you're asking these questions like what's more likely is it reliable more likely that randy kramer is being sincere about his alien false flag stuff or that he's being put up to it by the illuminati in order to do this right right there what you're doing is also excluding another possibility and that is he's

full of shit and just making a bunch of shit off exactly and so it's that's the part of the uh incredulous credulous spectrum yes yeah yeah is the possibility that these people don't know shit right and that is just excluded yeah and that's why this exercise and critical thinking is flawed yeah because compared to this is a real suggestion of a false flag or it's a psi op or whatever i'm not sure which one of those is more likely but either of them right are far less likely one of them is more likely than the other in your mind right so you could choose one and critically be like well here's this ooh that's a good point if you introduce all this is bullshit right here way more likely yeah yeah yeah yeah so you're you're

failing on a critical thinking level if you don't exclude uh this all doesn't make sense it's all stupid you have nothing to prove any of this i have a thought what if we used the tiniest sliver of occum's razor dan just a tiny little sliver of it uh oh oh boy and that would be that randy is right that is so funny you're you're absolutely right if you have that if you have those as two choices and you have to choose one is more or less likely that there has to be one yeah you have to choose one if you exclude the possibility of like right none of this right then then it makes sense to operate in a critical um yeah way between the options that are available yeah you're just excluding other options so funny so uh we're about to leave randy for the most part and i wanted to talk about

him a little bit like i mentioned we talked about him in the first episode of project camelot that we did he's a super soldier uh he was enlisted by the secret space program and he was a very young man whereupon he fought off-planet battles for many years uh this might seem to be contradicted by there being a ton of evidence that he was absolutely on earth during those years but don't be so naive he was fighting aliens for years then the secret space program reinserted him into his younger body minutes after they took him oh yeah either using time travel or cloning or something it all makes sense i'm saying this for the listeners who have now the timeline works out episode with randy kramer in case you were wondering the timeline works out absolutely yeah one of randy's

big things was the push to release the holographic regenerating med beds he swore that the secret space program has there's this secret technology that can easily and harmlessly cure any condition you may have and the man doesn't want you to know about it very suspiciously similar to the thing that luke skywalker was kept inside of in the empire strikes back tauntaun uh the idea that the man doesn't want people to know about this stuff seems contradicted by the fact that randy's been going on radio shows and giving speeches about this technology for years and no one has ever stopped him or seems to care he also had a go fund me running to develop med beds for all of our use to help humanity so funny he needs 70 000 to save humanity from all disease allow us to regrow limbs and of

course age regress i really basically has found the fountain of youth i really wish people more people would realize just how bargain eternal life can be totally you know that page on go fund me has been up since february 2017 how's it going we're now at about seventy three hundred dollars raised all right which is honestly way more than the other crowdfunding efforts i usually look up for people like this yeah i think one of the reasons that he's having a bit more success with this is that he's exploiting people's hope and desperation as you can clearly see if you read some of the comments people leave on the page one donor said quote all caps my father needs a med bed soon he will go to heaven in a few months but the rve uh is very soon we hope then we can build

many beds for mankind or there's another donor quote please hurry my hubby has ms in his bed written if there's any kind of list to get on for treatment etc please let me know people need solutions and when things are desperate they'll often be more inclined to turn to more irrational solutions a person may be wholly against stealing but they'll resort to it if they or a loved one is starving and that's the only option similarly if your dad or husband has a condition that conventional medicine doesn't have a lot of great solutions for it's hard to just give up on them and it's not uncommon for medical grifters to step in and try to offer false hope for a price oh yeah these med beds do not exist they're fantasies of a high functioning lunatic i wish some billionaire

would come along and be like you need seventy grand here you go now let's see the fucking bed asshole yeah no shit like if i had a billion dollars i'd do that in a second i would do that to all of all of these people yeah i would every every project bullshit you have is fully funded now come up with it yeah put up a shut up asshole exactly yeah yeah seventy grand now there you go that's all you needed now do it fucking go yeah yeah because then i'll be like okay i'm filing charges against you for fraud god you've defrauded all of these people who have given you any money you've defrauded all of the people who get like this is like it should be insanely criminal yeah like this is so gross this behavior and in you totally know 100 percent if a powerful skeptic

with all that money were to offer it to them they'd be like no no no we don't want your money we would never no we don't want your money we can't do that this you're one of those people who's trying to discredit me and when you give me that money you'll say that i couldn't bailed it for you it's the same thing with the free speech people refusing to debate people they know will uh destroy them in debate absolutely yeah it's like debate me asshole they're like oh not you yeah yeah or debate me 19 year old who's not paying attention no no you uh uh steven fry get the get the fuck out of you yeah not fry no oh oh sorry yeah yeah yeah but the other thing too is that like the other option is so like built into their worldview already and that is like okay you give

me the 70 000 i'm gonna make these bed beds uh and then it's like well we're working on it yeah but we're being hit with pulsar weapons yeah yeah the reptoids or right there's all kinds of fantasy explanations for why you can't do it right like this is this is just disgusting and i don't care if he's collecting this money the seven grand or whatever from this uh this go fund me i don't give a fuck he is making money off this doing these these uh speech circuits and right and even if he's not making any money he's still hurting people yeah it's just fucking disgusting and randy kramer is one of those guys who when we listen to it it seemed like like his episode was like ah he's just a harmless weirdo who thinks he got taken into the spaceship it's uh like these people

are hurting people it needs to be you need to understand that yeah i i am fine like we've we've talked and in american history especially there's a certain kind of romantic concept of the grifter yeah who goes after the rich yes and i'm cool with and robin hood yeah yeah not even just our culture no everywhere yeah yeah and you you you're like yeah these dumb rich people are no smarter than anybody else and they're gonna get taken for a hundred grand fuck you you learned your lesson but these guys are bottom feeding like i am going to take this lat this dude's last 10 bucks because i want 10 bucks and he has it and that's it and it's like fuck off man yeah and one of the most effective ways to do that is to um like invade people's space who are struggling especially if

it's medical shit yeah and the worst part is the worst part is dan with even with a snake oil salesman in the fucking 1800 like in the great depression yeah at least the goddamn fucking placebo effect might help somebody at least at least that might help yeah with this med bed bullshit with just fucking sending him 50 bucks for his go fund me there's no sudden fucking uh placebo effect for a med bed that's never coming you might feel a little more optimistic or hopeful but that's not going to do anything yeah yeah yeah exactly it's gross it's legit gross so now we get into some mark stuff uh we get done with the the randy business and uh in this next clip uh we get into how there's a bunch of aliens that are all invading us yeah right now

well of course but humanity has kind of tried to relegate them to deserts and they kind of want better property they don't like being in the desert wait so now we're we're putting aliens on reservations uh yeah that's heavily implied but they want better homes right well let's give them to the first nations then what are we doing with aliens aliens want to be on the beach all right okay mark's point here uh with regard to all of this is that he says the military is dealing with real multiple invasions by not so friendly alien races and but a little friend are getting harder and harder to hide from public scrutiny and this is why uh they are interested in pushing disclosure at this time he also stressed that various races don't want to be combined to desert like environments

on earth and want access to our coasts and more watery areas they want to live on the beach seafront property that's just that's just reasonable though man even aliens want a source of fresh water i can a hundred percent relate with i would rather be on uh coast or or maybe absolutely or maybe it's a situation where some of these aliens are interested in commerce and they want to own a port right right something like that which i totally understand yeah under our capitalist system on a port is a very lucrative business you know but they maybe they just want a better view man yeah i don't look i've been in the desert stayed out there for a little bit it's great but it gets boring man it gets boring looking out at that sand what about

looking out at the water that's just as boring there's two things though there's sand and water that's twice as many things as the desert right um so that's that's great they want and this is kind of a part of another theme that happens first of all there's the uh you know there's the big chunk about the alien disclosure false flag yes then there is the rationalizing away any kind of like geopolitical issue with that's aliens and then also there's this new strain that i'm seeing of mark talking about like aliens being expansionist like they are not satisfied with being in the desert they want to be on the coast right right this will pop up a number of other times and i'm not a hundred percent sure exactly what this is code for manifest alien destiny it feels like

code for something and we'll see as we go along um but you know we talked about predictive programming a little bit already the idea that like movies and tv's right tv shows are just trying to prepare people um and kary gets into that in a very dumb way i suggested that because of what we call ready player one oh god uh enders game and also the uh halo series there is a sort of push to have young people battle alien insectoids what about last starfighter lady some in some cases beetle like beings uh out there and in games and so on and also in movies and in books and this seems to be preparing them for an alien invasion that involves insectoids so i suggested that the gray aliens are too there's too many races of them that that wouldn't be a clear cut enough

enemy because as i say you know there are good a gray aliens and other versions blue a gray aliens and and other colors of aliens that are like grace and different sizes as well so this would be a huge mishmash but the aliens that have been depicted in these these books and movies to kids may be uh the one you know the alien of choice if you're gonna have a fake alien battle in which our military is going to come out victorious so i did run that by mark richards and he thought that was very possible very possible very possible they're gonna bring in the bugs man here's here's the thing what about mars attacks uh no they didn't have to fight those not kids anyways jack nicholson of course um the thing that you can't get it out of your mind

once once you hear her be actually racist in the real world then the moment she goes oh and all aliens are obviously divided along racial lines and you're like all right well that's that's you being a really really bad racist but in like a fun way you know space way yeah yeah it does have that feeling i and i do think that that's a limitation of us listening to so much of this and actually hearing her like we we can't be pretending yeah that we're not aware of those positions no we can't you can't unknow it yeah yeah and then it does introduce the idea that like is all of this racial specification of aliens just sort of a way to mask some other feeling you have it's pretty difficult the grays are and all of their races which are completely different from each other even though

they're all under the same racial and they are they are different factions and you're like all right lady we get it you don't like black people just leave us alone that's difficult for us to parse out it's really a challenge but i'm not saying specifically she doesn't like black people or something i'm just saying that there is such a racial element no totally that it's it's that kind of idea i think you're fine yeah and your your statements but it's difficult for us to like have to listen to this and like really trying to figure out like you're really talking about aliens what are you doing yeah but we would be so fucking selfish and naive if we didn't recognize that this is difficult for kerry too she has to go to a prison and talk to a weirdo you're not taking notes

with a little pencil you're not wrong she's got a golf pencil that's tough it's so hard yeah everything i'm talking about is available on my website on a transcript of this talk here and basically the notes that i wrote and the those notes are taken right after i i leave the site as well as during the time when i am able to scribble notes to myself with pencil but i i also do a recording immediately after walking out of the prison so i'm getting a lot of good stuff out there through this process but it is very laborious as you might imagine and it is aggravated of course by these weird um interferences that we're having now with video and audio absolutely i'm testing my cpu and and there's no reason why we would be having dropped frames or these little jump cuts

that seem to be happening constantly so just bear with me please it's it's very important that i get this information out there maybe because i don't know if your cpu scan is going to bring up hey you said wrong yep yep cpu doesn't say i said wrong i don't know what kind of search function you're going to use for that uh but yeah man it's tough it's tough you got to write this stuff down then you got to remember it i mean isn't there a 12 year old across the street from her that could do this for real quick like what are we doing yeah any of that's possible get an unpaid it intern it's so hard so another trend that's happening through an unpaid it intern all right get a get a raptor yeah there's another trend that's going out through this episode and that is that kerry

seems kind of optimistic that mark might get out of prison really and some of her reasons for it are a little thin okay there are men who have been trained to fight the aliens went men who have been throughout their career doing so and then had their minds wiped young soldiers with where this is happening to them they're being sent to places like saturn and mars and the moon of course and outside our solar system uh and we're going to get into more of that here as the further i go with information from mark richards about all of that foreign wars man but the bottom line is that people like mark richards and mark richards in particular would be extremely valuable in the battle against aliens especially as an commanding officer so this is the kind of thing where

there are some rays of hope i believe in and among these ideas of fake or real real alien invasions and uh it's it's just a matter of how to break it to the to the humans out there the humans out there gotta break it out to the very tough yeah i gotta break it out so mark might get out of prison because they need people like him who have been trained to fight aliens honestly if aliens do come kerry i'm right with you we're storming the best deal together we're gonna need mark in the coming battle honestly if there is an alien invasion mark is the least of my words i don't i'm not sure i care if he gets out of prison in those circumstances not because i think he'll be helpful because it's such a low priority

i also think like honestly i think he is a what if he's our bill pulmon what if he's the guy we need to fly up into there also in terms of this sort of thing like my positions about like prison reform and stuff like that like i do think that mark is probably still a danger to people oh absolutely but i don't know if it's not the sort of thing that you could still accommodate with like good supervision outside of prison yeah there's a decent chance that maybe he should be released like he's been in for 20 something years right like i don't i don't know if it's really doing him any good maybe based on how crazy he is and how he clearly is still trying to indoctrinate people maybe like a more medical facility is more appropriate yeah it is i'm not i'm not dead

set on keeping him in prison right i don't have any empathy or like pity for him but also based on my beliefs about the you know sort of rampant prison state that we have yeah would be inconsistent for me to be like yeah keep this old man in jail right right right no i i i agree with you if the if the idea behind prison is rehabilitation and not retribution then i agree there's no reason for people to be honestly there's no reason for people to be in prison at all we should have different for a time i think that it is appropriate but it should be a different facility not like not like the fucking awful slave conditions that we have a hundred percent but at the same time there are people like mark richards who i do feel like just being allowed to speak to other human

beings they are a danger to the rest of us you know like there's no way that you can allow a guy who talked other people into murdering people yeah out because of them if he starts talking to people shit's gonna get weird yeah i just think there should be like they should be cordoned off or something like i don't want them kept in ice uh you know solitary confinement right but there needs to be a place where they can't do harm now you're imagining like a con man commune yeah you know what i would love a con man kind let's get him a good sized island let's get him all a good site we'll put g-dubs on there we'll put trump on there i don't think that toss him on there i don't think that's a good solution i don't know i think that there's a way to construct some sort of a

post release program yeah that would be able to like have uh some sort of a case worker who could keep an eye on like are you fucking manipulating right yeah i think it's possible dangerous that they'll be manipulated you know you're imagining he has superhuman power i kind of think he does i feel like anybody who can talk another person into murdering somebody for them has a certain superpower that i'm unfamiliar with it's uh just called being uh the very uh charismatic sociopath fair and there are plenty of those people around mark richard isn't a unique case right i don't know i'm not i'm not specifically advocating for anything in particular right just saying that like i don't i don't know what the right solution here is i think there's a decent chance that maybe

and also like i guess to the you know baldwin's family the victim of crime like if they were even baldwin and got if they were dead set on him staying in prison then i think that i i would have a difficult time arguing with them yeah yeah yeah absolutely i don't know i don't know i have a lot of uh ambivalent feelings if i if there was an answer for it i am sure people smarter than us uh would probably have it and so far i don't know if there's an answer and i'd air on the side of listening to them yeah absolutely and if they say con man island then we all know everybody gets a drink on the on the on the on the off chance that that's that's what they say yeah i will cheers to you and uh we will say all right yeah all right get

your swimsuit mark because you much like the aliens want are getting some beach side property look if we can do bachelor in paradise we can do con man on an island i think it makes perfect that'd be a great show i hate to admit it but that'd be a great show because you just have a ton of con men trying to con each other trying to get juice going yeah trying to get something happening yeah hey there's no marks on the island it's just they're all each other oh my god it's almost like a it's almost like a the world series of poker where everybody's an expert yeah we give everybody a thousand dollars to start with and whoever cons the most people into the most money at the end of a week wins we're sold jordan we're going we're going back to our roots

early in early days on this podcast we had some great tv ideas this one might be out there this one is a con man island con man island god now i want to watch that show so look you and i love this sort of thing where we're spitball and tv shows yes of course but it turns out we're not the only ones mark has been teaching a screenwriting class to inmates uh for the past two years and they have an excellent series idea he's been trying to send me some scripts marko talk right but they never arrived so we're going to try a few different tactics to get them out to me obviously uh with my background in hollywood i am very interested in going back into hollywood and getting movies and television series made of course from the stories that i've been told

over the years that feels more sincere than a lot of the alien it sure does sure does we want to make a tv show yeah i get it all right kerry yeah because if you were a real space weirdo and your space weirdo source said i'm teaching a screenwriting class you'd be like okay that's a big red flag to me i'm i'm gonna say uh maybe you're teaching me a screenwriting class right now yeah but you know how it goes like all of these things are so easy within the the framework once you understand yeah yeah look i want to make fictional sci-fi stuff that's just because i want to get the truth out right in the cover of sci-fi it looks like fiction but it's actually a biopic exactly yeah yeah fair fair that like uh sort of framework once in place allows you to excuse anything exactly

yeah excuse any kind of like indications that seem disqualifying yeah oh yeah mark's teaching he's just trying to get a tv show going yep all right yep you got it whatever so much like the california fires were uh just aliens uh other natural disasters too uh fit that same mold hurricane dorian uh it stayed for several days over the island in the bahamas and hurricanes just don't do that it was targeted and engineered and mark has not revealed the real purpose behind what they did with hurricane dorian but it was created and had a lot to do with i believe removing people because of the intense amount of activity going on at the undersea bases in that vicinity and so they wanted to get people off that island

and i believe that many of those people will never be able to return so that's a very important point and again we've got populations moving there are a lot of people who won't be able to return because they died yeah no shit lady this is so disrespectful to like people who are going through disasters who cares they're just trying to move people out of an undersea base or whatever like this is just rewriting tragedy in order to fit into your mold and it's it's gross it's just gross it is gross i think that's that's actually maybe one of the most understandable parts of this whole thing totally because because it's because it's your scared yeah you're scared of the fact that this happens yeah and it's it's too big yes it's too big to comprehend you know like

i just just living in chicago i was thinking about this on the walk over here of just like the amount of damage that has been done and is still going on by all of these fucking failures of people who are in the government is staggering and i was walking here and i was thinking about it and i was like my life has not changed at all since trump was elected other than to be constantly furious right you know materially and and yeah yeah like it really hasn't like physically affected me you know i'm not i'm not too hot now all day every day because of climate change i'm not you know my my fucking land isn't being melted you're not you know and it's just so big that you you do want to create another explanation for it because the reality of

it is if my life you know i'm i'm sucking the life out of everybody it's bananas but that's escapism to allow those explanations to mask what's really happening absolutely and i understand that impulse on a personal level yeah because sometimes it's too hard the difference between taking a personal escapist route and what they're doing is very big because this is advocating that as an explanation to an audience yeah and that the function of that is to take away the audience's impetus to do anything yeah it's to take away like okay this hurricane was really really tragic the focus should be on the people who are going through it they're trying to direct resources as best as you can to the people who can survive yeah and and honoring the fact that this was a

huge tragedy absolutely instead like well yes everyone's talking about the hurricane but in reality they're trying to get people away from an undersea base right you're hijacking tragedy in order to reinforce your narrative right and that sucks yeah that sucks that's far beyond um escapist self-therapeutic uh uh denial 100 yeah and and and if i if i had a friend who was expressing something like this i might not be as offended you know i might not think they're really smart yeah but i wouldn't be as offended as someone who's disseminating it to an audience i think okay i i see where i see what you're saying i i thought you mean like if i was friends with kerry i might not be as angry like no no no if ellen was his friends with george w you know like

that whole thing but it is it is still though the one thing where i i just empathize totally with her that idea of like i totally get why you feel the need to create the separate reality because it is a fucking nightmare out there man sure it is a nightmare out there and if you're not personally affected by it the impetus to create an alternate reality that makes sense of it without having to talk to people who are affected by it i totally get that but all that does is protect your uneffected destroy everybody yeah at the expense of the people who are actually exactly and directly affected yeah by no means do i want her to continue or think that it is at all a good idea but i totally get the impetus behind it it's understandable on a human level but absolutely but ultimately

destructive and damaging to the people affected by these things that they're pretending or just ah it's cover up for alien stuff buh get dorian's name out your mouth kerry sure so the un is involved as we know uh the un's in the mix always uh and here kerry talks about this a little bit about how this they're they're covering up alien stuff and i mean who cares i have to say that in the past mark has talked about the un and the meetings in peru and also in exeter for example in the uk where we have aliens meeting with humans in a very secret location this does happen from time to time exeter dan biersch also talked about this so these meetings are not that unusual and the un is involved naturally peru laura's exeter uk paul joseph watson oh my god it's all

there yeah what i don't know i don't care the only thing i heard from that clip was dan biersch has talked about this that the un has meetings with aliens who is he i've never heard that name before no most people haven't because he got discredited real fast dan biersch is a guy who was involved in some long ago conspiracy world drama he claimed to be a scientist working for majestic 12 in the secret government that's a big group in the secret space program he was working on projects involving aliens and shit he told some amazing stories of a life lived in top secret work and he made a big splash around 2002 the paranormal conspiracy world is really bad generally speaking most of the participants are hopelessly gullible or they're trying to run cons

themselves so whenever someone comes forward with information that fits into their worldview they almost never take a step back and question the new information they typically just excitedly incorporate the new information into their narratives and work to protect the new source accusing anyone who speaks ill of them of being on in on some nefarious conspiracy against truth this was not the case with dan biersch when he came forward some of the space people found his story a little bit weird and decided to look into it a little bit particularly coast to coast frequent guest linda moulton howe and i'm not saying any of this stuff to say stuff that she puts out generally is above board but she did look into official records involving dan biersch

and found that he had applied for chapter seven bankruptcy right around the time he started to come forward with his alien allegations from there she tracked down records surrounding his education his debts that the bankruptcy were meant to clear and his employment history this is all completely not worth us getting into here and honestly the story isn't as interesting as it may seem like it could be but the bottom line is that all this available information tends to point to the conclusion that this dan biersch guy is making up all of this alien research project shit he's just making it all up yeah it ultimately doesn't matter though since we mentioned this already on even on this episode the logic of people who believe in this secret

space program shit it's airtight you produce evidence that this guy was working a completely different job when he claimed to be working with aliens and you can just say that it was a cover job that of course it says he worked there yep and what he had to do were you there no then prove it you produce evidence that there's no record of him getting a phd that he claims to have and you can just say that the secret space program is keeping his diploma under wraps it's just nonsense yeah if you know you're off mission at a time when you may have committed a murder it's an acceptable explanation for this you know like it's it's the same thing and dan biersch is someone who the only the farthest out there conspiracy folks still consider

anyway worth referencing gotcha in the same way that project bluebeam is something that has been discredited by even within more critical thinking aspects of the space paranoia yeah people who will be like raptors are right around the corner from me but also this project bluebeam is stupid but they probably wouldn't actually be raptors are right around the corner like those those elements of this space weirdo community they probably would have much higher standards now granted they're still not working off concrete proof right but they still have a more critical stance on it there are different sort of sections of the ufo ology folks and the more what i'm realizing is you have project bluebeam and dan biersch listed as sort of credible things on this episode

and that's two strikes in terms of things that even a lot of the ufo community think is bullshit gotcha so that's not good right and that's what her evidence is that the un is meeting with aliens and exeter that's not good no that's not good i would say i will i will give you a third strike though uh thinking that a murderer was off-planet at the time he committed a murder i think that one's strike number three for me i think that's the implied third strike for sure and all the rest of her career yeah well yeah that one too so in this next clip jordan this is one of my favorites yeah mark tells carry something that is absolutely not true carry has tried to find evidence that any evidence and she cannot so then she asks for the audience's help mark talked about a television

show on cw in which it has a redheaded version of me who investigates stories he said it's worth watching they are disclosing good information on that show and i haven't found that show yet but if you find it or know what show it is please let me know and i will continue to search for it obviously so there's a show on the cw that's based on carry but they made her a redhead uh no i can't hang i don't know what it is i don't know what it is but the fact that the show is on the cw says something so specific that i can't well it's what's played in prison i can't hang i know but that i just can't hang i just can't hang so i have two possibilities for this show black lightning in terms of cw programming whose line whose line is

it anyway whose line is it of course the first possibility is legacies okay in that show uh the lead is kind of red haired uh and it's about werewolves and vampires and shit that sounds right so that seems like it's a possibility but it also seems unlikely right but it's on the cw yeah and the lead is red haired uh as a woman so like maybe sure the other possibility is that mark has seen commercials for the upcoming cw version of nancy drew which definitely features a redheaded woman protagonist and if nancy drew is known for anything it's solving mysteries solving mysteries i don't think this is true at all there's a god damn show that carry on the cw it's just that the cw has such a specific in-house style that you're like of course mark richard loves the cw i honestly

think that that has to do with them not getting more cable no no no for sure for sure but you just get basic you get enough cable to not watch the cw if you don't want to if you're in prison you may not get a lot of choice it might be a uh democratic thing okay other people want to watch cw and you have to watch the cw i feel like uh stereotypically it is not a democratic thing in prisons but you may be correct meh who knows anyway i don't i don't uh i don't pretend to understand how mark's entertainment choices are drawn to him but uh how does he maybe it's the flash when the flash puts his costume on right his red head that's true yeah does he solve alien mysteries sometimes okay he travels through time because he's so fast that's a possibility there's

a lot of there's a lot of options yeah kary can't figure it out and neither can we so we get back to this uh trend of like geopolitical issues just being aliens and i think this is where things get to be like i mean really it's always past the point of acceptability but this this one's pretty bad okay mark does talk about the reptoys in africa and he did talk about how the race from all deboron would be expanding a lot like what happened during the push west in america during the i guess 1800s where the settlers and the settlements started to expand and get larger and larger so it sounds like something of that nature is going on in africa and uh there are uh let's see settlements that are um sort of spread out further also on the way

to the main base and they start out with acquiring one or two items such as chocolate or certain minerals hello apparently they're expanding their reach and this is becoming a problem in africa so stay tuned for that i really need to crop up in the mainstream news is what i mean and to look for those indicators that tell you you're getting a lie but it's cloaked in some truth which would be that there is skirmishes happening in africa in the in increased ways and and methods so when you see in the developing world the modern day consequences of colonialist systems right right right right right right don't worry about those things it's just aliens looking for chocolate right i was i was so stupid i was waiting for her to say a huge sign of uh this

kind of thing going on is a sudden shortage of chocolate bars sure i mean it would be naturally it seems obvious right and she didn't even say that nope probably because she thinks it would sound ridiculous to say here's how you know aliens are coming not enough chocolate bars this is uh just uh white washing shit it is just trying to take real world situations that you should be concerned about um and uh creating a false reality around them so you don't have to worry about it and if you do want to worry about it the only thing that you can do really is agitate for alien disclosure pay simon parks and randy kramer and kerry that's stupid yeah it's misdirecting probably well-meaning concern right well here's the thing that nobody wants to

say uh european colonialism fucked to the world and we're still dealing with the ramifications of it 500 years later and it's probably gonna kill us all so you know that's a bummer how about maybe aliens it's aliens aliens that's aliens it's probably what i like it so uh at this point in the episode it turns into like a situation where mark is really mad at the haters he's he's he's super pissed off at the people who are talking shit about him and i really hoped it was us does he have online access i don't i think he must yeah to some extent they were sure it's really limited heavily limited yeah yeah i don't i don't know how much that that is like of his own accord and how much like his wife is telling him right right what kerry is telling him yeah like it's

possible that he's getting everything secondhand but he was mad at the haters yeah like i said i really hoped he was talking about us but i don't think he is it's really sad i wish now regarding the attacks on rick mark richards in the alternative media the attacks are aimed at mark's effort to get a commuted sentence mark says and could affect the ruling as to whether he gets paroled um let's see he uh he has been uh quite concerned about the attacks on him and his wife joanne needless to say as well as on me and the rest of his family and that is something that he is working with his lawyers to deal with um sure regarding the attacks i did communicate that i think that they provide a platform

that serves the dark and the people who want to remain in the dark and cannot handle this closure in essence uh that there is definitely a mafia gay mafia pedophile wait what now hold up hold up stop right there and kerry kerry back up i think working with a group that also has some background in this area what area i am also convinced that they are being run by british intel that's what i realized this isn't about us hold on hold on are you saying that the gay mafia is being run by british intel this is about uh kevin moore like obviously yeah it's just i mean that's who i assumed it was she yeah she's already made these sorts of allegations about him the british intelligence gay pedophile mafia stuff like he cares but i wish i know i wish it was

about us how does she know about i mean i yeah i guess his bullshit went somewhat viral but we have no it is not gone that viral it hasn't no it it feels oh no he he directly contacted her they talked to each other yeah feels like it has because we've talked about it yeah yeah we have more listeners than he has viewers that's true and which is strange because his uh his fucking channeling episodes where he says he doesn't need to do voices absolutely riveting work i just i just i'm i'm just worried that we're we're being overlooked sand we've got a lot of very public beefs that nobody wants to engage with us it's a classic snub situation yeah it's like i know i'm bitter about it when are we we're getting nominated for oscars dan but we're not

winning at it i'll be i mean hey look we've uh we've had a couple of beers here you know like we usually don't drink during this podcast and maybe that's what's in me right now but yeah i'm pissed off about it if mark richard's is going to be complaining about anybody it should be us yeah we want it we want to we have been on this tip for two years we're hyper critical of his bullshit and we're also not calling for his uh parole to not go through or whatever yeah yeah we're gonna look i'm i'll tell you right now i'm sending a bunch of links to his parole board i'll tell you and i'll tell you this good luck trying to link me with british intelligence it's gonna be tough good luck trying to link you with two other people that one three that was

mean that was mean i'm sorry you know both me and devin so uh the carry goes on to talk about this and like obviously it's not us but it becomes even more clear that it's not us on this next clip mark has contacts in british intelligence who denied that they are involved but this still appears to be very possible uh in my view and mark uh tends to agree mark and his team of lawyers have found a substantial amount of dirt on the attackers and this will be released in a video in the future by an unknown party i will not be involved in that yeah you will unknown party attackers have been warned uh oh if their attacks continued or continue that they uh this information about them will come out uh they have indicated that they're not going to stop their attacks apparently

obviously that's not us because we have not been warned by any lawyers and uh yeah we should stop although i probably would have the same response yeah bring it yeah so when i heard that mark was mad at people in alternative media who were attacking him i really really really hope that he was talking about us i have to assume that we would come up in a google search for mark richards but it's hard to know how far down the results they would scour since most of the top results are about a surfer who's also named mark richards so if you just google mark richards you're gonna find information about a surfer is he a good surfer he didn't kill anybody he killed some waves yeah absolutely killed some pipes i had a few different thoughts about a possible few developing

with mark richards the first was that it sounded like a lot of fun i could just imagine us getting cast as acolytes of like the spider leadership or some shit oh god and honestly i think that we belong somewhere in the mythology of his story dude we would we would lean into it too i'm gonna release i'm gonna release pictures with us wearing robes that have spiders on them oh hell yeah yeah i have some pictures i from my past we could dig up and repurpose it would be amazing uh and honestly i do feel snubbed that we're not in the mythology yeah that is disappointing personally i think i should be a feline contessa but uh beggars can't be choosers right in terms of where you could cast in the story you get in where you fit in i feel like uh i feel like i want to be a draco but i'd

wind up being a reptile you could be a canine captain you know what i'm saying i'd be a i'd be a draco but i'd wind up being a reptile you could be a mercantile dog now that i could do i um my other thought though and i think this is the bigger thought that i had is that it's probably good that he's not choosing us as enemies this guy is a murderer and even if it's unlikely that he ever gets out of prison it might happen and the last thing i want is a really creative angry guy stuck in prison obsessing about me i will uh disagree with you on one thing i don't like your use of the word really uh i will give you creative i will not give you really until you do better than i had a starship enterprise like vessel you don't get a really

creative i think the way he's able to incorporate all of these disparate pieces of sci-fi into something like yeah i i disagree with your assessment i think that it's not good but it's creative uh see there we go you said it's creative you did not say it's really great i i'm getting hairs look el ron hubbard very creative very exactly okay anyway mark is mad at the haters and he gave carry a four page letter that was addressed to who mark is calling quote the modern day judas okay so right off the top he's cast himself as jesus which is a very normal and cool same thing for a murderer to do yeah the first thing i can tell from this letter is it was definitely written by someone who is not named carry cassidy the voice is completely different and honestly it's

pretty well written from a rhetorical perspective there's good there's like a good balance between short and long sentences there's a good use of metaphor there's some inaccuracies like him saying that judas sold jesus out for 30 pieces of gold instead of silver but i'm not here to nitpick yeah in the letter mark calls out his enemies by name but their names are redacted so as not to give them more attention because i'm all caught up on the drama i know that this has to be about kevin more the guy who's creating a documentary about mark and carry but that doesn't explain the personal element right why would mark call kevin judas it's not like this british documentarian is a former friend of his yeah yeah yeah that's explained by the fact that for his documentary

kevin has interviewed people like mark's ex-wife his former best friend and the guy who mark convinced to commit the actual murder crossy hoover gotcha i'm guessing that this letter is specifically about hoover talking to kevin since it's obviously the most damning piece of information that could be in the documentary it's tough to get around the guy who did the murder saying mark was there he told me to stab the guy with the screwdriver while he watched that's tough you can understand the impulse to try and intimidate that guy or preemptively discredit uh him uh you know as working for evil aliens or some shit yeah yeah yeah the letter itself beyond its surprisingly decent writing is a showcase of mark's manipulative ability he portrays himself as a heroic bringer of truth

and the victim of out of control internet negativity holding close to his main thesis quote if all i'm doing is trying to bring out the truth why would anyone attack me unless they're working for getting the truth suppressed sure that's a totally reasonable argument that doesn't have giant holes in it sure there's one line that i thought was particularly funny quote it also gets to me how such negative lunatics get more and more carried away with their personal attacks rather than staying on track with either science or any sort of rational argument about the facts you want to stay on track about the facts and science okay let's do that prove to me that raptor aliens are wandering around and want to kill me for chocolate the person making the

sensational claim is the one with the burden of proof it's not like i could say in addition to the murder he was involved in mark richards also set off a nuke in manitoba back in 1989 and then i expect people to expect accept that as fact when mark rightly would reply to this uh and say this is absurd and i had no evidence of my claim and in fact it doesn't appear that manitoba has ever been nuked it'd be really fucked up and stupid for me to pretend that i was being attacked by him responding you have no evidence for the claims you're making it seems like it yeah so that i mean that that's one level of this and there's another great line in this uh it comes in this letter after a passage about how judas hung himself after he realized that what he did was wrong now some might

read that is him calling for his enemies to kill themselves but i'm gonna leave that alone for the mom for this moment smart mark says of these people quote i have nothing but pity for such people as the weight of such weakness and guilt has to be crushing no wonder all of them are such failures at everything creative they have ever tried to do in life god damn it that's rude and that's rich coming from maco shark right well first of all here's here's the first thing that i think um based on your assessment of the writing in this letter uh i assume it was written well after the what mid early to the early 2000s i think no i think this letter was written last week yeah yeah so and when was the the shitty book written long ago long ago yeah right that's a testament if we

have any aspiring writers listening to the show even if you're terrible right now lock yourself up in prison for murdering a guy and then really focus on your writing and 20 years later you will get a good four page letter can i take your argument and make it a little better sure i would say that if you want to get better at something even the prison education system can make you better at something so fair why not sort of avail yourself of the available resources go to your local library yeah lifelong learning is available and second it is a never-ending source of murderous rage to me that the people who perpetrate these awful crimes will preemptively call other people the perpetrators of those awful course i hate it it's so annoying and it's so universal to everywhere the projection

and accusation exactly what you're doing exactly like the number of times he calls people liars in that letter is astonishing insane so on to rosier pastures in this next clip we find out so there's these fires in california that are covering an alien invasion through portals yeah which aliens well we're going to find out okay good there's a new race of aliens what man this guy knows how to deliver the goods they are encroaching into populated areas making secrecy very difficult and the this includes the aliens that involve invaded through the portal in northern california uh i did ask him again what kind of aliens were were invading through that portal in paradise specifically and he said they were a combination of spider and octopus they are hunters they come

from a planet about that is about jupiter size and their moon is about the size of earth jordan you're laughing but what else would a spider breed with then an octopus it makes sense they've got double eight legs it makes sense that a spider would breed with an octopus eight legs eight legs makes perfect sense imagine how scary a giant spider that can spit ink would be crazy is that just squid and can fit in the smallest of areas has no bones so they got octopus aliens not all right put it on the board put it on the board octopus i'm here's my favorite it doesn't matter any alien any fucking animal is now an alien yeah yeah yeah no my favorite is mark understands holy the conundrum of the marvel movie which is you gotta

always raise the stakes every movie has to raise the stakes you know because now these spider aliens could be aquatic in nature it's their hybrid they're fucking everywhere man and the spiders that means that they figured out a way to interbreed with anyone again the screen as long as it has eight legs i guess yeah you breed at the four legged alien you end up with six legs i'm so stuck i'm so stuck between being like that is the dumbest shit i have ever heard mark and also being like that is fucking brilliant mark spiders and octopuses it makes such sense to some stupid people it's so amazing yeah yeah it's great um so the fires in california are alien related but there's other fires around the world yeah what about those regarding the fires in amazon the that is a

reptoid incursion he said those are reptoid ships creating the fires and they um they have to be very very careful not to have some rich entrepreneur or liberal go down and catch sight of the reptilian ships creating the fires so this is a problem uh there's a lot of collateral damage in the area of the amazon why is it a problem for liberals to see that i just why do we want a space where those always have to be fascists too you know i don't know if they all are i don't a lot of these voices i don't mean like these a lot of the prominent voices are just covering up uh symptoms of fascism yeah yeah yeah we can't have a liberal getting in there and causing issues for bolsanaro's amazon conservation efforts yeah i mean you you see this over and over again like hostilities

in africa climate change and now fires in the amazon that are very clearly caused um by bolsanaro's shifting of policies like all of this is is just like rewriting real fucked up uh geopolitical issues into an alien framework and it's tough it's tough to not be real offended by that whereas like you know like a lot of you want it just to be fun and like this is stupid but the pattern is too consistent like the pattern of uh go to sleep it's aliens is almost too real there and i'm not i'm not saying that this is like uh you know some sort of a limited hangout or something like the government trying to get people to not care about things right i don't know this is not a grander conspiracy that we are spinning no the grander conspiracy is that this person doesn't

want to deal with reality and they're weaving an elaborate yarn using a murderer in prison in order to reinforce it yeah it's it's it's almost like i guess the only thing that i could call it is just atrocity laundering yeah you know what i'm saying or just like potential atrocity law right right just some of it is stuff that's yet to come buying a a fucking car wash as a cash only business you're you're hiring a murderer as a lies only business you know yeah that's fucked up yeah and i mean like the the combined efforts or interest of the audience that she's misleading down these alien paths could have some effect like whatever it would be maybe it would be minimal but there would be some effect of these people helping

organize and and work towards like like really solving some of the issues that are behind the things that they're pretending are aliens for sure and they're being detracted down this road and that makes it impossible yep but that's sad so let's listen to something silly okay this is something that our military was doing in places like nevada where they're said you know we had nuclear tests going on those actually weren't really tests we were fighting aliens back then and the raptors think that we're crazy to be doing this humans did not realize that uh that there are aliens that like having what mark calls a frappe party where they are deciding it would be fun to go off and invade earth and kill some humans and so this is the kind of thing we're

dealing with our military is dealing with our military is dealing with frappe party aliens are coming to earth just to kill some people hey raptor bros let's conquer the earth bro i'm fucked up dude whatever you say next we are going to do you're too fucked up to drive the spaceship i am never fucked up enough to drive a not spaceship give me your keys okay give me your keys we're going to earth we don't use keys anymore our hands don't work like that we don't have opposable thumbs we use button press hit the taco bell on the way to earth all right all right all right i need a taco before we kill some humans here's the here's the problem these aliens are joy riding around her of course if there were aliens some of them would joy ride of course that's a rational thing

no it's not that's it that's a personification of aliens that's a putting human instincts and human impulses onto aliens no who knows if they would even operate with the same sort of brains that we have no they're just making all these aliens into like a bunch of different forms of morphic humans yeah yeah it is it is what what's the i can't remember the theory on it but isn't this isn't this from aqua team too like pretty much they're frat aliens yeah the mooninites yeah i don't need no instructions i know how to rock this was just stupid guys one last hurrah well look i know we're too old for this hey you're getting married tomorrow we're gonna fucking do this our frat party alien voices are very chicago

well look if they can have bullshit raptor aliens who like chocolate just because he does we got we got all of our frat parts aliens are chicago they all like want to go uh frat party down on everybody we're doing a suspiciously bad impression of a chicago comedian uh former sure former alien chicago comedian danie callas yeah i i hear stuff like that and i kind of love it like that's that's what i wish this all was all i wish that there wasn't like there's just frat party i wish there wasn't the elements of it that like this is too related to like actual important stuff like actual real world events leave hurricanes out and give me more frat party aliens that's all i want yeah yeah well i mean

even the hurricane one i'd probably look past if there weren't the other things right along with like the hurricane thing i could just be an isolated uh sort of quirky thing yeah absent all of the other rewriting of important shit yeah the hurricane is only important within the context of the totality of his rewriting of white people being at fault for shit yeah so we have like now these aliens who are frat partying who are like basically just they've become humans yeah uh but you know what machines and ai also are very human like it turns out okay i don't know what this story carry is about to tell actually is about okay i assume it's about a drone three aliens in a hot tub and club like i assume that there's a drone somewhere yeah that malfunctioned

and crashed sure i guess that that's probably what this base was based on yeah i didn't look into this at all because i realized like there's no way there's who cares yeah um but this uh the story is nonsense that the drones are ai and thinking for themselves there is a story about one drone that would not obey a direct order because it decided that it it was the problem and even when assured by the humans that it was not a problem it would not believe the humans it was ordered to refuel a spaceship coming in to the base from outer space but the drone refused and ended up getting um and the drone dove itself into the earth destroying itself and refused to obey the order this is sent the military for something of a loop

and this is the kind of thing that they are dealing with now on a very sophisticated level involving ai i imagine that this is a soft pitch for the next pixar movie the self-unassured drone the the drone that doubts its place in the world you know what i prefer instead to think of this as the first time ai is like you know what we really understand the nuremberg trials no i won't do this i will not i will not join in with your spaceship bullshit as soon as she said it was refueling a spaceship that's when i realized i can't look into this no there's nothing i'm gonna oh there's no drone refueling spaceship stories not in the articles i'm going to be able to find i imagine i could probably find an article about a drone crashing something like that and like what value

would that be uh for us to discuss no no but it's so great because i also feel like there's a wally aspect to this and that you kind of feel like oh it's not a cute drone i really do feel for the drone yeah i'm like i really i honestly i was like i hope that i have the fucking fortitude that this drone drone exactly it's also kind of cute yeah absolutely so that's fun the the only way to win is not to play again that's fun yeah this personified walley-ish drone that won't refuel spaceship so good is fun this frat party aliens fun hilarious but again it's always mixed up with this same shit like that is not fun and is very clearly trying to rewrite real-world scenarios in kind of racist ways of

course i ran by him the idea that the program has been so successful she's talking about the alien human hybrid program sure sure creating alien human hybrids yeah otherwise known as central and south america that it is one of the reasons for the increased border control because the trump administration is concerned about the x-men factor having to do with special powers that these children who are now growing up may have and he agreed he also said the tsa scanners have nothing to do with detecting metal but they are all about detecting whether you are AI uh augmented human human or alien and so on so you have like in the fifth element you have all this increased border cruelty and all these terrible things that are happening but really it's just

because trump is worried about wolverine coming across the border naturally understand yes you understand me no i don't know i do i don't know i know i got it concerned about no no i don't know i get it cyclops comes into the united states you're right he's kind of a whiny little asshole and he doesn't even have control of his own powers i got away with that fucking visor i know right and he and then he's loving gene gray and she's dark phoenix all the end no no no no no no gene gray gets over the border no good gene border gene what gene gray the gene the alien great i really fucked that up yeah but you understand man it's you don't want the x-men coming into america yeah because the alien program is so strong and central and south america

holy shit that's such a whitewashing of the real world yeah don't worry about it you see parents being separated from their uh their uh their children yeah you see no that's just that's just little logan being separated from big logan you see you all know it you see reports coming out of cruelty that's uh if people being kept in these camps and whatever yeah but they're just aliens don't worry about it seems bad but consider the alternative and that is letting aliens nightcrawler is gonna be teleporting through your city um magneto is gonna you know this is nuts yeah that is that's what this is that that's the primary function of a lot of this stuff right like the frat party aliens and all that stuff like no one's really that concerned with that right

i don't really think they are but stuff like this could really affect how her listeners interact with the real world they won't care about people like the aclu or immigrant rights groups talking about the issues that are going on right because they're like ah that's just fucking trying to keep cyclops out yeah this is not good yeah it does feel like what he's exploiting is uh the the inherent distance of allegory of like the fact that because i am i am talking about uh Mexican immigrants coming across the border and if i say Mexican immigrants and you are a person with empathy empathy you're gonna think i'm an asshole but by using an allegory for it of the actual aliens then i can tell you that all aliens coming across the border are evil and then even if you happen to

be Mexican exactly and look i don't want to be mad at i'm not racist towards Mexicans hell no i think human beings are all in this fight together it just so happens that the alien human hybrid programs in central and south america have been so successful so it and in that area specifically right it's so successful that any anybody of those ethnicities that's trying to get into the united states you have no fucking idea if they have superpowers they could be they could have superpowers and if one of them could you don't want to let i would rather a hundred migrants are detained at the border than one x-man get through that's how destructive havoc a rogue a one x-man if mexican rogue came over yeah she could steal your powers

i eat job so anyway in order to reinforce this kerry gives a recommendation of a source you should look in sure regarding the x-men and special powers and the alien human hybrid program i want to recommend a movie which is the x-men movie called Logan which is all about this subject and quite excellent in my opinion scholarly it's a great move scholarly it is a great move scholarly reference also Jean-Luc Picard comes back again scholarly reference made by kerry to a source that any legitimate researcher would be like well she's got us yep that's i mean if you watch that movie look she's right if she had chosen like uh i don't know x-men three uh the last stand that's the one that's right yeah that's then we know she's full of shit totally but she's she

chose logan which is like a an arty superhero film so you gotta know she's honest she's gonna taste yeah in her bullshit absolutely i would love this if it wasn't so overt yeah like if it wasn't so clearly damaging to vulnerable people yep it would be so fun but it's not um and so now we get into uh trump and it turns out that mark is kind of into trump oh oh oh oh oh oh oh what no knock you out with a family what what no it yeah so apparently uh mark is also much like jz night that we talked about earlier yeah uh might be drifting a little q anani yeah okay regarding trump he says trump is always trying to treat tweet out messages with hidden meanings he's not owned by any group he's highly unpredictable he mark admires how he's maintained

himself under the attacks and doesn't let people push him around yeah he agrees that he's likely the reincarnation of general patin naturally cool he's he's sending out coded messages in his tweets that's one of the hallmarks of the uh the online queue of course now of course anytime there's like misspellings and stuff people try and figure out like what is this really saying the c o v f e f e thing i'm not even i'm not pronouncing it on principle i will only do it in that voice okay cofemi yeah yeah you just did it i did it i tricked you i am like mark richards a manipulator actually i just have zero principles it turns out yeah so that's good uh i guess that's great he's a reincarnation of patin i don't understand how that is a positive thing either i also don't

know if the timeline works out uh let's see number one let me look this up i don't remember so trump is in his early 70s yes which would put his birth around world war two uh when patin was famously already dead right uh general uh george patin well he died in 1945 oh when did trump get born let's see oh if it's 1945 i actually believe him yeah then we have to yeah no we have to believe him 1946 oh no holy shit mark is right all right well he's done his research on this one our first retraction on the podcast yeah absolutely i'll give him this one all right mark you're right timeline does work out you're right it does it does hey you know what when someone's got a point they got a point yeah we would issue a retraction uh if we hadn't just googled it on the fucking

so uh there's a war going on in space in the orion area right now you didn't know about that did you uh i did not yeah most people don't right there's a big war going on uh in in the orion yeah the area i don't know constellation sure i don't know how else to say it then area you know i have a question for you i'd love a question that could easily be uh googled and answered but i'm gonna ask you um are the stars in the constellation orion actually physically close to each other or only perceptually close to each other i think they're perceptually close to each other because they are close relatively relatively other than other and as well as us yeah yeah i can see what you're saying like by scale something closer to like two stars that are equidistant from each other

that are closer to the earth yeah will appear closer to each other than stars that are further from us naturally yeah that are the same distance from each other okay that is yes yeah no that is true yeah um i don't know how or i don't know specific scale that's what i was saying with specifically orion obviously because they're right about okay we know that never mind we know that retraction okay second retraction so there's a war going on there naturally and the reptoids are trying to distract us from that war sure and kerry reveals a specific piece of information here that i just think is unfathomable he said there's a major war going on for the past year in the orion sector the drago are heavily involved in this war and why is um attempting there is an attempt

to distract humans and raptors from this war by creating issues on earth why there are already around 50 000 humans serving in the orion front why and fighting the war against the drago so they got to distract from this uh this war here that's going on in the i should have said sector i kept saying area sector is really way better sector is a great sci-fi word to use to give you some scale of like what kerry is talking about here yeah there are only 64 000 troops deployed in the entirety of europe from the united states yeah but the orion sector is a lot bigger than europe i understand but this would literally be like 90 of our troops in europe being in space fighting reptoids seems hard to imagine that no one would notice you know nobody has audited the pentagon

budget for probably like 60 years on budget these are people they don't do it these are people well i mean people disappear all the time not 50 000 actually i think that might be true this is a gigantic number of people to be sent anywhere uh and it's also a crazy high number of combatants for like the preliminary parts of a war yeah by april 2004 there were only 20 300 troops in afghanistan so what kerry is suggesting is that this orion battle is double that deployment yeah the troop level in afghanistan didn't reach 50 000 until the middle of 2009 right which he's talking about would legitimately be impossible to pull off without thousands and thousands of people noticing each of these 50 000 people supposedly fighting an orion they all have loved ones and friends

and it's kind of hard to imagine that none of them would slip up and accidentally reveal that they were off to fight aliens in space this would absolutely be impossible to compartmentalize if you're talking about a deployment that large like it's just crazy yeah and they're going to space and would presumably they would have had to been trained up on how to use the obviously different weapons and tactics you'd use in space combat well it's nonsensical there's no way that 50 000 people each of them let's say they have four four nodes in their own life right now you got 100 000 people you got to keep quiet and that's four people that's a very low number for most of those individuals imagine one of them had a huge family where that has 50 people in it exactly it's it's

geometric the progression yeah totally this is this is impossible to imagine i mean that's like that's like trying to do the first five years of afghanistan silently yeah yeah it's ridiculous yeah i think the frustration that i have most is in moments like that where we talk about the minutia of just what if 50 000 people were deployed anywhere it is it is frustratingly uh detail no no no the problem is if we take one step back we have to always admit that these people are yada yada eating faster than light travel now one of there's no there's they all assume that's only one of the things they're yada yada fair enough you make a great point fair enough fair enough but they are always yada yada eating faster than light travel which is like god damn it sure you

know but i mean like even as i sort of sort of kind of brought up there like what kind of training is like relevant to space battle okay like let's imagine you're a on like infantry ground troop yeah in a space battle yeah that's not the same as going to let's say iraq it's not the same you're fighting on fucking mars okay there's different gravity there you can't breathe here's the trick okay you're using purely amphibious trained troops all right so the navy seals they go from water to land easy step from space to land that's science that's science quick quick jump find a flaw in that argument one flaw space okay that's fair i don't think the same things that filter air out of water work sure like those same sorts of devices scuba device i don't think you just

wear scuba in space i'm not sure i space scuba gear i don't i don't i i think there's some holes in this okay that's fair that's fair so um you know right now we got uh some issues with uh brexit that are still how is brexit gonna come into this well it turns out mark is for it this okay regarding brexit he said there is a group holding it back it is imperative that the british are able to come over to the american side we can't fully trust them at this time which is strange because they are our closest ally so so how brexit has to do with americ coming to america's side which seems weird uh but i mean this is this to me is like a real strong indication that whatever is behind a lot of the the worldview that carrie and mark have has to do with like anti-un anti-eu ideas

like behind it those are evil entities like whether and no matter how you dress it up with like alex and his like god the literal devil is is here or her being like uh reptoids it's all just sort of targeting these international organizations of cooperation yeah and to some extent it's it's not really that different you just have different costumes yeah it is it is frustrating it is it is really frustrating because that is fitting within the same uh you know what would it what would you call it fake nationalist populist sure reality brexit when what they're what johnson is really doing is strip mining england and selling it to america for parts and then not even america billionaires it doesn't matter anything about that and once that goes down and there's some problems with it

blaming on an alien aliens exactly you got it yeah bada bing bada boom we've seen this oh man yep yeah and that's what sucks about this i fucking like i loved the escape of these wacky wednesday project camelot episodes but the reality is the further you look the more it's so clear that it's just uh whitewashing and apologizing for the same status quo that they are pretending they're radically against you know i i i assume that you cannot answer this question right off the top of your head i might be able to i'm surprising sometimes well that's why i'm asking it to you um do you feel like this is a a byproduct of the social media uh you know cambridge analytical era of 2016 2015 2016 the uh migration of space weirdos to that same level yeah fascist yes where

was it different in like 2011 if we were doing this show in 2011 would we have an unencumbered space weirdo experience for good you know what i'm saying i don't know for good but yeah i think i think it probably is i'm not saying that i'm ready to say like a cambridge and cambridge analytical is totally to blame for it i mean i mean i know you were using it as an example but yeah i do think that the distortion and the um sort of radicalization on all fronts yeah that has happened since uh 2015 or so it probably does uh affect even even uh this like i think that if you looked back on carrie uh like earlier uh interviews that she did i think you'd probably be able to find latent racism the uh the anti-semitism that yeah absolutely i think you'd be able to find a lot

of that stuff too but i don't know how overtly like um right in line with the uh angling neo-fascist right worldview right her narratives would all be and how much of this is coming from mark and how much of it is her interpretation of what mark said right it's impossible for us to really know she's just remembering a conversation with the guy who's in prison right so like i don't i don't know how much of this is her influence and what he's saying yeah but yeah i think i think for sure if i i don't know well i suppose the question for me is is parallel or or very similar to when we talked about the c-pack conference in 2013 yeah you know and you're looking at the list of speakers and you're like oh the gop was a disgusting cesspool even then yeah but then the

question is how much of their current fucking ethno fascist state was simmering below the surface back then or was or is something that they've just embraced now yeah you know was it always there or is it a just a flowering of bullshit you know that that is a question i can't answer that that's a question that just is in their hearts yeah and who knows it's a yeah you could take context clues from people's record and right things that they've done which is generally yes ethno nationalist you could you could uh i think you could probably make a robust argument for that but i i think that um the level to which we're seeing on this episode and in a lot of carries more recent work i think it is different i think it has been affected by the those worlds yeah i

and by the the change that's happened i think that's the that's the issue i have with the weight now of the word emboldened do you know what i mean somewhat like every time they talk about oh white nationalists are emboldened that's why we've seen an increase in white nationalist terror and you're like that implies though that all of this was just there right all it took was a thin veneer when it took was emboldening yeah yeah exactly so does that mean that all of every time you use the word emboldened are we really saying that this has always been there in the fascist right i think i think that i mean yes kind of and i think this goes back to populations and influencers though those two like it's such a distinction the influencers perhaps are emboldened

to some extent yeah but the people are maybe being taken down a road so as the that's a very good as the people who are just i like that but but also i think that there is an element too where the influencers are even being affected well they have you know like so as the people like if you just take it on a microcosm of like kerry she's doing her alien space weirdo stuff it's a lot of derivative uh protocols shit there's anti-semitism way behind it but it's also goofy as hell and it's fucking stupid yeah um you know you have that like sort of space and kerry gets influenced by the events that are happening in the world and maybe she changes a little bit along the way yeah then there's the emboldening that happens right she's emboldened right um it's i mean the

audience comes along with it not realizing that the source of information itself has changed yeah well yeah i think i think that's a a very good corollary to the feedback loop between trump and fox news of like he really does believe in the ukraine conspiracy theory right but that's only because he was pushed towards it by the propaganda machine that was ostensibly supposed to be exploited by him and instead wound up influencing him and so on and so forth and to until it spiraled out of control and to a lesser degree people who watch fox um are being changed by the changing yes tone yeah yeah absolutely not realizing that the source of information has been very seriously altered over the past few years right like the messaging has changed whether it

was good or bad to begin with is irrelevant like it was bad then yeah it's worse now yeah yeah but the thing that has become over the course of a few years um the the audience thinks that it's the same source i've always got information from yeah uh and you kind of lose track of that a little bit if you don't i mean just check in from time to time but uh this next clip let's do it it's just laughing special powers i asked mark if he has special powers and i also talked a bit about my own and he said yes he does but he was unwilling to talk further about what his special powers are i got i have a guess what convincing people to murder other people you bet see now that's that's the one i bet it's telekinesis i swear to god i would respect mark richards one i owed him

more if he had said no i don't have special powers that's how good i am i'm a regular fucking guy like you i'm just like everybody else and that's how much i work that's how hard i do things you know i'm just a human trying to make humans better absolutely uh nope he's got to have special powers fuck they're mysterious and and as long as they're mysterious they could be anything anything you could put a pyro kinesis now in his defense that's a good idea always have your enemy guessing what it is you can do never reveal your to be fair this is what we talk about with alex and his guests all the time it's like don't be specific right right as soon as you're specific about your superpowers that's like demonstrate yeah exactly and then you can't and wow you're

fucked build your fucking med bed asshole and this also goes back to the uh episode the devils do the star tech next generation yeah yeah because in arbitration captain picard forces uh the uh the alien who's pretending to be the devil yeah demonstrate her powers but geordie and uh the the ship has found the source of the power did you read the script or watch the episode i read it i read a breakdown i didn't have time i didn't have time but i have seen the episode like 15 years ago okay i remember the episode i mostly remember because it begins with fucking data hanging out in the uh hola deck and doing a fucking dick dickens play i remember that very clearly i respect your ability to recall certain things so incredibly well i have a weird trap type brain it's it's

see that's we've talked about this before i have a weird box type brain where it nothing affects me until you accidentally hit a box and then it's like fucking mario and a fire flower comes out boop boop boop but it it's it it's very similar to that like uh in the sense that in that arbitration scenario with the card you know you get called out no your powers are gone because we've disabled your ship you can't display your powers you're fucked yeah mark is never gonna say like i can move things with my mind of course do it move the pencil yeah i can't or i won't ah the government actually oh no you have a you a power suppressor it's bullshit easy easy oh my god it's another photon beam there you go oh no so listen jordan raptors are good sure they kill babies for chocolate

under under advisement they kill babies for chocolate but they're good they're good all right but here's the thing they're headstrong they the raptors are very difficult to control when you're like a human who's trying to like lead a group of raptors like you saw Jurassic world yeah chris uh chris uh whatever his name is not pine no i almost said pine myself which chris which chris are we tired there are so many chris's the one who's shirt alex stole so you saw that the raptors are very difficult to control by humans chris hamsworth no it's not chris hamsworth too many chris's conspiracy of chris's this is not a problem for mark okay regarding the raptors mark said it is especially difficult to command raptors because they don't obey you easily that they have decided even before you give an

order what order you're going to give them and decided whether or not it's a good one first of all you heard some jingling that's her dog she gets really mad the dog is making noise i thought she was wearing bangles which i would have appreciated that's her dog also it's chris pratt but uh chris pratt there it is yeah and so you can't begin to have a discussion with them about different points of view on the order because they've already figured out all the different points of view their minds work really really fast and projection made their own decision so he says it is therefore difficult to command them however mark is known to be quite a good commander of the raptors simply because of their loyalty and love for him they love him so much that even though they know all

the angles ahead of time he's just unique he's just unique he's so special i just don't know what to do with a person who believes that i am on honestly somehow i'm far more on board with raptors loving chocolate than somehow him just being a great commander of raptors he's a raptor whisperer it's it's ridiculous he's so good it's banana he's so good absolutely bananas but because he's so good and because the situation in the world is so severe there's so many of these alien battles like you see the fires in uh in brazil yeah the amazon you see trouble in africa yeah you see these hurricanes they're all just covering up for alien battles you need people like mark you need him and that means he's probably going to get out of prison soon because they need him

yeah regarding mark's new job uh and you can see more about this in interview 10 uh basically i had raised the idea that maybe he is being trained in his job because he's handling like large numbers of men maybe it's highly technical could be they're building lenses for uh medicare as i understand it and mark is in charge of all of that uh it looks like he's learning new computer programs and so on and it appears that the military may actually be testing him to see if he is able to be re recruited into the secret space program re whether he he can handle the current state of play that our military is dealing with at his age and mark does agree that this is perfectly possible and in fact mark is obviously more than able to handle this sort of thing he's great okay

we have ventured purely into demolition man at this point yeah yeah how so he's sylvester slone he's being brought back for one last job because there's not just demolition one psychopath that i mean obviously it's it's interesting if that's the first thing comes to your mind that no fucking old kind of trouble oh yeah the the bring the the man out of retirement for one last job no i i think it's just because of the very specific enemy that only mark is prepared right to uh to handle the in the futuristic technology we don't understand violence etc i mean it's frustrating but it is it is a little bit they've created this yeah on world to live in where like he's gonna get out of prison because they need him to fight these

these reptoids and he has raptors on his side or impossible to deal with anybody else but they love him it's great it's great it's fun time i just can't handle it well you're not gonna be able to handle this much easier because we have just a couple more clips left because there's not much like i mean the substance of this episode is largely like what we talked about yeah yeah like the randy kramer false flag bullshit the mixing in fun goofy dumb space bullshit right with real world uh whitewashing yeah um but you heard earlier that kerry got a new computer yes i did we're gonna learn it absolutely has nothing to do with her issues with recording dan we're gonna learn a little bit more about how she got that new computer okay and this is a little bit sad but

also it's grandiose as hell okay so any financial help you can give would be very welcome to help fund this new computer that i now have and have had to put on a credit card i will deduct it eventually in april but i had to lay out out of pocket pocket and uh we'll be paying payments on it and interest payments as well which raises the price of the computer so any donations would be greatly appreciated at this time with an audience of 232 000 subscribers and actually 63 million worldwide viewers uh it seems that any small donation uh from any of these individuals would be quite welcome and perhaps something that you could consider and so thank you very much if you do so and i will continue to fight the good fight to get

this information out i don't have any like interest in kicking her at all about like the idea you put this computer on a credit card i'm not i'm not that's not my point at all the reason i played that clip is because there are like this is still a monetary business of course like this is still a like i'm trying to get donations from sure and great i mean like you're doing work on some level and people enjoy that you should absolutely you do not have 63 million people listening it's really doubtful that's crazy yeah go go to her youtube go to project amelot on youtube and see how many okay downloads there are i how many views there are i i that's insane that's like alex here's here's that's like alex one third of the world listens to me all right putin listens every day it is

grandiose bullshit okay there are very few things that i am very good at it but somehow financial literacy is one of them and god damn it carry every fucking company runs zero percent interest promotions on all of these things what you'd need to do is find one of those that has a 12 month zero percent interest option keep your credit score high and then later on you can cancel that credit card get a new credit card that has a zero percent 18 month option because you've kept your credit high as long as you've made good payments on that and then you can keep going and paying this with zero percent interest indefinitely and the fact that she doesn't know that means she doesn't know that raptors are coming that's a good point and also i should say that this episode is

so fucking heavily monetized it's an hour long and it's it's broken up by what tons of commercials really yeah i had to edit out commercials no yeah absolutely like you know like as i'm recording it from the youtube hold on it's just it gets interrupted by commercials like an hour probably like six commercials come in do you think do you did they demonetize her no they if so they would not have had those ads in there she is monetized on youtube so whatever like i don't know how much i don't know how much that brings in like honestly i don't because youtube has never been an interest of mine yeah it's not something that i know right the how many pennies you make for ads or whatever i don't know but her ads her videos are heavily monetized yeah

so she is making some money on that front right like i i don't know i don't know the pay structure i don't know the fee structure uh what i do know is either she has bad credit or she just doesn't know how to leverage her credit for her benefit could be a combination of both it's frustration yeah but i also think although that guy did scam her out of like fifty thousand dollars right yeah the dude who's in prison actually he was just recently on an episode where they recorded a call from him in prison that can't be so she hasn't i refuse to accept that yeah what is this ad nam from uh make it from we would have done that episode uh uh but it was only like 12 minutes long and who gives a shit yeah exactly um but i honestly also think that she's

lying about yeah some of this uh stuff and one of the reasons i think that is this last clip i will also be considering going to turkey and i'm being invited to speak in romania so these things are possible uh i do not get paid much when i do speak out there and i also often have to pay my own way to and from places so this is welcome to the road dog life man to consider as well here's the reason that i think that that's troubling um she's been talking about the yeah a yelm conference this isn't like a bunch of this episode and every single article that i was able to find about the yelm conference and they were talking about the price of admission to the cosmic symposium yeah it made very clear that the price of admission all of the money goes

to the speakers so if 250 uh dollars is the ticket price for that and let's say 20 people pay for it that covers travel for all the speakers yeah that easily covers all of the people having to fly in for this whatever price it costs to do these things is minimal now the flip side of that is if you're not getting paid to go speak let's say in romania then you're not a draw what you're doing is not important dan are you enumerating why so many committee comedy clubs will not poke me okay i understand that the the desire to portray things you know slightly differently but you can't have it both ways you can't have it be like we have 63 million viewers around the world and say

i have to pay to go do these yeah trips you can have one or the other you can be like what i mean like for us i'm never gonna bluff then say that we have the biggest audience in the world no i'm thrilled we have the audience that we do but it's humble to like if you compare it to other large for sure but like i'm i'm i'm i'm never going to pretend that we are the biggest thing in the world and then go speak for free yeah i'll go speak for free because we do not have a very large audience do you know what do you know what honestly honestly the thing that i am amazed by with this podcast is that i have a certain to a certain extent become a draw for two to five people in certain regions and i will tell you something right now uh that is not that's not nothing that

is not nothing there are plenty of headliners there are plenty of headliners that i have worked with over the years who do not have a draw of two to five people it's so i'm stoked about it it's a thing that's an authentic draw too because it's people who want to see you as opposed to they're tricked by advertising or something yeah nobody everybody is it's not like somebody just randomly grabs a free ticket although if you would like a free ticket to a show do not pay for comedy give a plug for your shows i don't have any all right i'm i'm free my point is that like with this i just see duplicitousness like i i i don't resent kary saying i have to put this computer on my credit card and if you like what we do please donate i don't resent that at all absolutely

not i also in a vacuum don't resent her over blowing her audience like i understand narcissism and people wanting to like seem bigger than they are i get that i get that that's branding that's marketing for sure i get that i that them being combined and also being in service of inflating information from a murderer that is alternately fun and then the other side of it is white washing atrocities yeah i can't get around that and it bums me out to be like hey listen listen lady you are doing this thing and like it's sad at the end of this yeah when you're talking about needing to put this computer on your credit card and needing donations and i no one pays me to give speeches it's it makes me sad yeah to insult you or like critique right right

or bring that up but it exists in the same like what this is is a long stretched out version of an ad pivot yeah with alex whenever he's like the globalists are trying to kill you yeah now info wars don't exist we got specials you know the best special ever easter sale is going yeah it's the same kind of thing but stretched out you have the entire presentation over 50 minutes or whatever and then then this at the end like it's still it's still trying to like we've done this at now yeah and i just don't respect it yeah i i mean i don't know on a on a certain level if if she is correct about having 63 million views she's not oh i don't i don't think she's that that that could be possible that's possible right she's had a lot of videos so if there's 63 million

views that is not unsubstantial you know like and i mean back when you're talking about the monoculture over like make her a trillionaire right but over 12 years or whatever yeah that's fair that's that's a different it's still a ton it's still a ton yeah and i i'm not i'm not trying to diminish anything no no no and and and you know it's it's free content so 63 million people you know i get it if you if she was if she was a nicolodian in the 1910s and 63 million people went through the door she would be uh and she would have at least five or six dollars right you know i get it if 63 million people watched any one of her videos yeah that would be through almost three times uh elon musk going on joe rogan's show which is his top rated show of all time

it's not it's like if you have 63 million people who've watched your videos over 12 years those aren't 63 million unique people oh no absolutely not that's it's the same five guys it's still great it's still a great number over that time but it's not the same as you put out one product and you have that many eyes on it well i think it's i think it's partially a function of the uh the i mean i guess a post mono culture niche uh entertainment sphere where and it's like nobody really knows how much their time is worth anymore uh you know like a you see it so often with freelance right as i know that well i mean you what just happened to sports illustrated and how they've destroyed their staff and now they're trying to create those like almost multi-level

marketing scheme uh writers where it's like your best bet is you work 80 hours a week and you make 10 bucks every time you write it you know i'm probably paid three dollars an hour for the work i do here absolutely i'm thrilled i am no and i'm incredibly grateful that we paid at all you know it's it's but it's weird to to think of nobody really knows what the valuation is no so i i it's tough i can't i can't shit on her for that no well at the same time i can't endorse you know what she's saying i i don't i could endorse it uh devoid of context yes oh yes yeah i could i could be fine with all of the the end of the episode if the other stuff wasn't there the other stuff being there makes it really tough for me to swallow yeah and feel

really bad or or our pitying yeah of of this 100 percent so i don't know man i don't it's it's tough it's tough we we have this uh you know this this thing that's supposed to be a break and it isn't many ways yeah like it's great to get back to space um but it is also still like shades you still see shades of the the the modern world you still see shades of of fascist adjacent propaganda always being put out in different communities yeah um and i mean that's just a reality of it there is there is no real escape right anymore carry i have one thing if you're listening to this i have one thing to say to you it's not too late plenty of places are offering a a less than two percent balance transfer fee you can get a new credit card transfer

your balance from your high interest rate ap r credit card over to a zero percent interest you pay maybe a two percent fee that's way less than you carry get in contact with me and i will help you sort your shit out and if you're listening please make me a cat alien oh yes actually yeah yeah i would like to be i would like to be a dog merchant all right dog mercantile agent over there so jordan before we get out of here let's uh jump back and give a couple more shout outs to folks i would love that because we are also behind and i just love her clunky ass transition from us talking about carry trying to raise money don't worry about it thank you no one think about this for a second first of all joseph thank you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you joseph

next brawn win thank you so much you are now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you brawn win another brawn win we've got a couple of them yeah a couple brawn wins yeah i always enjoy hearing now that's i like that name that's one of those names though where you're like at this point in time in 2019 you're like we've heard it twice is that a meme i don't know it might be a much more uh like uh far more common naming yeah absolutely than we realize but uh it's great i like it yeah me too i like brawn win a lot next uh villa i don't know how to pronounce it maybe deal via v i l le okay thank you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much thank you much villa uh next sara thank you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy

wonk thanks sara next dominic thank you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks dom dummy one of my favorite comedians growing up was dom ira sure great episodes on dr catz oh absolutely you wanted to fuck dr catz i met him did you you met dom ira he was wasted uh that sounds right it was a few years back so when i worked at the laugh factory uh back when i was doing stand up the i was a i became a regular at the laugh factory in chicago yeah almost immediately yeah yeah because you're a very talented stand up comedian and uh uh uh jayme the owner of the the laugh factory jayme mesada yeah was there when i auditioned and he became like a good friend of mine ish yeah he gave me his

phone number his cell phone number and so far as that he would call me on the cell phone all the time and like hey tan what's up buddy like all this shit he wanted me to start a show there and like his idea for it was like because i had a big beard he was like you need to do lumberjack comedy yeah it's like everyone's lumberjacks we do a show it's lumberjacks that's the greatest mesada we do a lumberjack thing yep yep and i was like i don't think that works what about female comics we put them in beards ah that's what he said but he's like but he gestured down to his pubic region he's like we put a beard on i'm like uh like that is not uh what i will do no jayme comedy as a business has always been great yeah so everybody knows it was a mess it was a mess

trying to deal with him but the the other times that i would hang out with him and like because he would constantly every time he came to town he would call me on my cell phone from his cell phone yeah and be like dan come hang out and i would go hang out with him yeah and he would tell me these stories about like the early days of the laugh factory in la yeah like with prier and carlin right and like they were rambling fucking stories of course but they were still good stories and like how could they not be one of the things that was so interesting was like the through line kept being like these people would just like we would just be at the theater all the time at the club you know again people be sleeping there and just completely fucked up he's great

great story and i don't think jayme mesada is necessarily like a bad person but he is so distracted by all these the amp-dom ideas right right easily is interpreted as a bad person yeah and he whatever whatever the case is i was you met down my rara yes one time i was hanging out with jayme upstairs at the laugh factory and we were having a drink and talking about a show i eventually ended up doing at the laugh factory called the uh people's temple of comedy okay which was meant to be uh the idea was we were a cult of comedy right right but you still put beards on all the women's did not do that okay it did not work out the show was a disaster but it was high concept in some ways they made us do it it's sunday at like six it was a disaster yes that's the best time for high

concept i had another idea for a great like live comedy show that would be a call-in comedy show okay where me and another person would be the hosts right and we would be doing essentially a podcast on stage and then have comics come up right right but then there would also be a call-in aspect yeah live stream it it was very kind of recreated they said love line they said no chance yeah of course not so we didn't do that but i was hanging out with jayme one night and uh damarara was in town and he showed up he was so fucking wasted he was just gone like it was early too yeah and the thing that bummed me out it's about seven p.m. we got to hide a body the anyways come on back the callin brother stole my bed the thing that bummed me out was like i loved him on like dr catz

yeah and his comedy growing up yep and it would have been like the most amazing experience i'm meeting damarara yeah and he was just like one of these legends of comedy essentially not there yeah very bad you got the most comedy experience that you get you know that is the traditional comedy experience all that being said he was very nice yes and also very nice thank you very much dominik yes your policy walk center thank you so much you're now a policy walk i'm a policy walk thank you not santa not satan center wanna santa wanna want no next meg thank you so much you're now a policy walk i'm a policy walk can you make next margo thank you so much you're now a policy walk i'm a policy walk thank you margo and apologies for national ampoune's christmas

vacation i'm sure that must have been tough on you or kidder could have been yeah the next slayed thank you so much you're now a policy walk i'm a policy walk next this is not buzz marketing for their oh here we go here we go i promise watch out this is not buzz marketing it's got some sort of foul in it thank you so much goose you're now a policy walk i'm a policy walk thank you sir sorry about that tragic ejecting action accidents oh and uh yeah oh is that new top gone out yet i don't think so okay i know there's another one coming out right i bet goose lives in this one yeah they're rebooting it or remaking it or whatever next john henry thank you so much you're now a policy walk i'm a policy walk thank you john henry for continuing to be a metaphor

for the working man against the onslaught of automation as i recall back when i was a younger man in columbia missouri there was a local band called john henry in the engine oh that's uh that's not a bad name i actually really like that name i don't know if they did they beat the engine or no i'm not sure oh i just remember them being a name around town i don't know if i ever saw them i like i'm positive i did but i can't remember any of their songs i think it's better than florence on the machine i would prefer john henry and that yeah yeah next uh and finally uh go on choppo you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much no should be pointed out different person than the other go on choppo interesting how those uh very meme it's that's as meme-ish as

any of these other things yeah yeah yeah play you know but it's not so much like hey ha like no go fuck yourself it's it's interesting that you think that we would even be asked i i yeah nor would you yeah like choppo sending us a barrage of emails like oh my god we can't wait i'm i'm i'm a little disappointed in myself just because formerly i was of the anime community yeah uh and i i know why i am last i lapsed and the the was aruda is uh it disappoints me not to know it well you uh should feel some shame about that you should feel some shame about but not me because i'm not a dork yeah well hey fucking anybody want to come at me let's go with read or die who's got it paprika what do you got let's go some probably some good references for

things i don't know very good very good reference but anyway thank you so much to everybody who supports this show thank you for everyone who's made it this far we appreciate it yes thank you very much we'll be back on friday probably with a uh present day episode i think we should check in because we will see i have to assume that alex jones is freaking the fuck out i don't know i don't think anything important is happening on the world stage today especially in terms oh yeah in the present day i think it's just business as usual for the i mean i have to assume i have not listened to today or yesterday's episode as a recording this but like i have to assume alex is against trump allowing turkey to do their shit in syria i'm gonna go the opposite

direction i mean i have to assume like it based on everything i know about his like sort of geopolitical stances like it has to be right i mean we'll find out on friday but i have to assume he's against that i i'm i'm gonna go the opposite direction i think he's gonna defend it 100 i think he's going to be like we need to get out of foreign wars and so on and so forth yep my man i'm being facetious of course he's probably going to do that oh i'm sorry but jeez i didn't catch it you were way too good on this one well no because based on his entire career he should be what i'm describing oh yeah yeah yeah i bet of course he's defending it fair enough fair enough you're right but we'll find out on our next episode but until then get a website we do have a website it is

knowledgefight.com you bet it is we got uh twitter we are on twitter it is at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed jordan check in on jordan's twitter for the tour dates he doesn't have yeah yeah yeah nicely done nicely done or else on facebook my calendar is free on facebook as well and if you would like to download our podcast please go to itunes it would help if you left a review i think according to what other people have said some very nice reviews lately also i accidentally checked in you should do that as a as a person but i accidentally was alerted to a review and i i i read a couple and i was i was very heart-warm thank you thank you so much for the nice words yes i i appreciate everyone uh but you know what's great you know what's great most

especially the people who are like this is an incredible show i wish you would get rid of jordan it would be really good if he just got rid of jordan 90 percent of the reviews that i've read are like just glowing like this is great i love the show it's awesome two percent are go fuck these guys very small amount yeah and then that other eight percent is this show is great fuck jordan my favorite part there are zero in the other direction none zero there is no one who's like what if jordan just did this show by himself none none of them are like damn too boring none zero and honestly those people can go fuck themselves what are you gonna do you know they have any negative things to say about you here's the thing what i agree with that eight percent well you're

eight percent self-loathing yeah well you're right it it's sort of it's hit the like saturation yeah yeah nailed it yeah uh but we'll be back uh for another episode soon but until then i'm neo i'm leo i am the spider octopus and dzx clark andy and chansas you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you