Knowledge Fight - #362: There Is No Mermaid

Episode Date: October 30, 2019

Just when they thought they were moving away from Project Camelot World, Dan and Jordan get sucked back in. Dan needed a break from Alex Jones, so the gents discuss some paranormal weirdos. In this installment, they look into the time Kevin Moore (the guy who is making a takedown documentary about Project Camelot and Mark Richards) interviewed a guy who claims to talk to time travelers, which is as close as this show gets to a Halloween episode.

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Andy and Kansas you're on the earth thanks for holding us Hello Alex I'm a assistant color I'm a huge fan I love your work Knowledge Fight No no no no no knowledgefight.com I love you Hey everybody welcome back to Knowledge Fight I'm Dan I'm Jordan We're couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

Indeed we are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan What was the last Halloween costume you wore unironically with just pure I mean just like pure joy you know not like an adult Halloween party where you've got like the note It's like I'm just going as the regular guy you know like that kind of thing I'm talking like you know You know I dressed up as a ninja turtle and I fucking loved it

You know what I'm saying? That kind of shit I've probably talked about this in the past but I have a problem with over committing to things like that Like Halloween costumes have always been a problem for me because I'll just go too far with it One the big time there was sort of like the breaking point for me Was I went as a monk one year Okay And I shaved a circle on the top of my head All right

Like I had my hair around the sides Right right right right Like you were a friar tuck Yeah yeah basically And I went around with a jug of Carla Rossi at parties Okay And made people take drinks when they did things that were against the social order Right

Okay I blessed people who were behaving well Naturally And really got into the character You went a little too far yeah I got super drunk Super sad And the next morning I woke up with a terrible hangover

I walked into the bathroom and like oh my god My head It was a mess I had to walk to the store to get Gatorade And that next morning with nothing Just like that Just him walking into me like happy Halloween Yeah

You know what's up You know what happened Yeah This is the Halloween walk of shame Yeah but that was when I was probably I don't know like early 20s I have not I don't really

I don't really get into that too much I don't really care for the Halloween Not really a Halloween guy Not really Any good ones when you were a kid You trick or treat it right We were super poor Like growing up my parents and sisters

We had to make our own costumes And we weren't very crafty So like no there was Us too No there was nothing good That was like the only time I got to eat candy In my entire childhood Oh yeah that's good

It's whenever we wandered around Halloween And trick or treat it Yeah the candy's good But it's just a sheet That you're wearing Right It's all slight variations on What can you do with cardboard

Yeah yeah yeah And turns out we couldn't do that much Couldn't do that much No so it was The memories aren't good Except the candy Yeah Candy was good

The candy's the good stuff Those taffies that just come in Like brown and orange Oh yeah yeah yeah So those ones Those mysterious unlabeled Yeah yeah yeah They're like Tootsie rolls

But you know they're not Piles of garbage Yeah And yeah there's a lot And candy corn sucks I don't know why there's like this new Effort to rehab the image of candy corn There's people are rehabbing candy corn

I feel like this year Lewis Black is rolling over In his grave right now dude I don't know he Is he dead? No he's not dead I feel like there's a Effort that I'm seeing online

This year more than past years To be like Fuck you I like candy corn Really? I like candy corn Stop making me feel bad for it Man this era of polarization Polarization has gone too far

I don't like the idea of like Hey if you like candy corn God bless you But I don't feel like We need to feel bad for Not liking it And declaring the objective Fact that it stinks

It's awful So that's my position I thought that was one thing That was the last thing The American people could really All agree on Yeah yeah Guess not

Nope There's two Americas Candy corn and non-candy corn We're eating candy corn To own the libs these days I do appreciate though That it hasn't yet extended To attempting to mainstream

The pumpkin Candy corn pumpkin Yeah no that's never happened It's too thin No No that's not going to You can accept candy corn In a tiny little thing

But not that big Bulbas Pumpkin No Anyway I don't know too much About dressing up For Halloween anymore

But I do know a lot About Alex Jones And I don't know anything About either Dan That is correct And today is actually A spooky Halloween episode That's not a fair way to

I think all of our episodes Are spooky Dan I wanted I encountered a thing earlier This week Where I just felt like I was kind of not interested In like

I needed to take a break From Alex Jones Right And so I was thinking About like This coast to coast AM thing Yeah Like they know

They do a lot of shit About wacky Crazy Paradormal topics Yeah But then I was like Okay for every year Around Halloween

They do ghost to ghost Well Okay Coast to coast Ghost to ghost It's right there I don't blame them for that It's too close

Right But a lot of that Is just taking calls From people who have Ghost stories Yeah And I don't really Want to make fun of that

Because as much as we You know Like toxic platforming That he does Yeah I don't want to spend A ton of time Just being like

Look at these dumb callers That seems cruel Like there is a line Of like What I think is probably Acceptable for us And that That would feel gross

Yeah If we were doing Loveline and just talking Shit about the callers Over Fucking the other guys Talking Then yeah

We're kind of the assholes Critiquing Adam Corolla's Politics And some of the stuff He stands for Possible Maybe not Possible

But yeah Like look at this dumb ass Yeah What an asshole You're the asshole there You didn't have to Search out a caller Yeah

So coast to coast Ghost to ghost Seemed like Nah That's a non-starter But luckily What about Space ghost

Coast to coast We could do that But I found something I found an option To go into Pretty excited about it And here is Another context

Drop from that In the case of the Merman There's a lot of people Going In the case of the Merman Yes

Encyclopedia brown On the case of the Merman I found something To go over That might have Something to do with Merman

But it actually Does not How can it not What are you talking about Merman will not factor Heavily into this conversation But Before we get down to

Business and talk about What we are here to talk About today We gotta give a shout out To some people who have Signed up and are Sporting the show Thank you so much

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And James, thank you so much You are both wonderful technocrats I'm a policy Wonk Crikey, mate, that's fantastic Have yourself a brew How's your 401k doing, bro? We gotta go full tilt bugging on this Watson, alright? Let's just get down to business

We ain't making that money off that heroin Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large I declare info war on you Thank you so much, Cedric and James Yes, thank you very much If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I'd like this show I'd like what these gents do

I'd like to support them You can do that by going to our website Clicking the button that says Support the show, that's on Knowledgefight.com Yes, yeah I don't know what's going on My head is real foggy today I don't know what it is, I'm in a haze

We're about to talk about Merman We are not, actually I can confirm to you that we're not About to talk about Merman But a couple things real quick before we get going I apologize, there's been a slight Little bit of sound issues on our last couple episodes We are shifting up some of the recording technique

Working in a new workflow And there's some kinks along the way Apologize, hopefully this episode Sounds up to our regular standards And we're working on it We appreciate your patience And a special shout out to Zach Who sent us, it might be Alex's intelligence source

Oh man, he's double crossing Alex But sent us a package with a couple of shirts Of a band that he found out about Called the Titty Baby Oh yeah, thank you very much Yeah, we appreciate it I'm going to make it one of my gym shirts So people can look at me weird

Just getting swole With the Titty Baby on my chest There are not babies on each Titty unfortunately No, but I also had a nice sticker Which I've put up here in the studio Oh yeah So thank you very much Zach, we appreciate it So Jordan, today what we're doing

Is we are going over an episode Of Kevin Moore's show So Kevin Moore for those of you Who have not kept up with the entire project Camelot Saga is a gentleman Who believes he can channel intelligences Maybe aliens, maybe other dimensional beings Who knows, he does not have to do a fake voice

He absolutely doesn't have to do a fake voice Because they have confidence in him Definitely not because he has confidence in himself He also runs a psychic hotline For an exorbitant price Probably, I'm not sure, I think each person Has a different rate He runs a psychic hotline

And he has decided that Carrie Cassidy Over a project Camelot And Mark Richards are running a scam And so he is in the process Of putting out a documentary About how Mark Richards is a murderer And he is not hung out with raptor aliens And this is all very delightful

Carrie Cassidy is furious at him And has decided he's a part of the gay mafia He's a part of the gay, but mortal enemies And probably involved with the Illuminati On some level To discredit Mark Richards Because he is friends with space raptors And they're trying to help humanity

Against the Illuminati, it's all very complicated Anyway, I know that we were shifting away From project Camelot stuff But I can't not be intrigued By this mystery that's surrounding it And one of the big things that I find mysterious Is why is Kevin Moore doing this? That is a very good question

We talked about it, it's supposed to be money It's gotta be money, but I don't understand Why he would get any money out of this Or how? I'm not entirely sure either But he's positioning himself in such a way To be like a critical voice I'm within this paranormal community

And I'm offended by these charlatans Like Carrie Cassidy and Mark Richards They make us look bad And that is what the voices that I am channeling Right now are telling me and you Right, so I feel like I want to understand a little bit better This guy who's trying to...

Can we actually take that as his motivation That he wants to be a thorough gatekeeper Who's able to say like, hey, I'm a trusted voice I'm gonna say this is cool So I looked around a little bit He's gonna be a space bouncer And you know what? It's honestly because my algorithms

Are all completely fucked up With my YouTube viewing I got suggested a video that he did About time travelers Of course you did I figured like he did do some stuff about ghosts And like channeling dead relatives Of course

Just like this kind of feels... Creepy? Yeah That's not gonna be fun to talk about That's gonna be gross Time travelers? Possibly What?

Now, are any of these fucking time travelers Merman! God damn it! Nope Merman will be mentioned In passing Okay, good So here is the introduction that Kevin Moore has for this

He's talking to a guy who runs a website Or I guess it's a YouTube channel called ApexTV And he is on video And he is just almost completely obscured facially Okay On purpose? Yes Okay, so it's like one of those...

To protect his anonymity To protect his anonymity Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha So here is Kevin's introduction Hi guys And welcome to another edition of the Kevin Moore show Today's show is quite interesting actually I've got the creator and producer of the ApexTV channel

From YouTube coming on This YouTube channel produces interviews That you probably won't find anywhere else And they got in the direction of interviewing Whistleblowers in time travel So they've been interviewing time travelers Now they've been known internationally recently Because some of their interviews

Made it onto news channels throughout the world And they contacted me They asked me for an interview And I was only just too happy to interview them as well Oh god Because I do actually enjoy what they do So... Travel through time

Making my mind on this one I do appreciate that caveat there You gotta make up your own mind on this one If I'm gonna be completely clear with you Jordan I think this episode is a little bit beneath us Okay There's really nothing complicated going on Nothing too in depth

There's no real like lore to sort out or anything The subject at the heart of this episode Dan we're dealing with time travel So I believe the answer to that is yet There is no lore yet I have bad news about this time travel Oh no So the subject at the heart of this episode

Is this YouTube channel called ApexTV The channel is run by an anonymous guy Who appears on camera wearing a hat Big sunglasses and headphones With his head mostly behind a big microphone They mostly post videos about people who claim That they're time travelers And I wanna make one thing super clear right off the bat

I'm not mad at anyone for engaging in online immersive fiction I know a lot of people really enjoy the titillation Of stuff like that You know the clearly fake stories presented as truth And I don't necessarily believe that a lot of people Who take in this kind of entertainment Actually believe the things that they're watching Right

Just kinda fun Yeah It's not my thing But I'm not gonna spend a lot of my energy Judging someone for liking that kind of entertainment And as an extension of that I'm not gonna spend too much of my time critiquing The person who creates that kind of entertainment themselves

To the extent that this is just a YouTube channel That lets people send them videos where they pretend To be time travelers Which they then post and make money off of I'm not gonna make too big a deal out of that I'm not gonna get all self righteous about that Yeah I'm gonna go with this one's fun

Until you tell me that there's some secret racial animus beneath it I don't know if that's the case But there is a difference though Between that kind of thing And you know like online immersive fiction And a hoax I'm not quite sure exactly what the difference is But it's something I want to explore

Over the course of this episode The only reason I'm even doing this episode at all Is because like I said I needed a break from Alex And my YouTube shit is fucked up And it accidentally revealed this episode here That I'm like Kevin Moore is talking to time travel guys I gotta listen to this

So I did and here we are It's completely fucked up And I kind of want to keep these characters in mind Because eventually he's got to put out that documentary About Mark Richards For sure And I feel like that will be the I feel like that will be the what is it

The third act of our project Camelot play Where Carrie ends up suing him Or something like that It turns into a real circus I just, my two cents I don't think he's ever going to actually release the documentary He's smart he probably will I don't know though

Some of those like trailers that he has It's clear he is getting interviews with a lot of people There'll be a lot of work to not actually put it out But we'll see Anyway Apex TV started out with your standard fare Of paranormal clickbait videos With headlines like 10 haunted dolls caught on tape That kind of shit

Okay I like it It wasn't a really successful enterprise Since there's a lot of competition In the disappointing videos market Then in September 2016 Someone sent Apex TV an email Claiming to be a time traveler from 2126 This guy agreed to film himself talking about time travel

Apex TV posted it And over 1.5 million people have watched that video ever since That really can't be true It's crazy I really don't like that I want to go back to 10 fucking haunted dolls that are real Give me listicles of lies Danny Sure

And then they claim they got contacted by another time traveler Who told them that he came home one day to find That his kitchen sink had flooded No that's a great origin story He tried to fix it Right Quote I had to crawl inside the cabinet

And as I did so I discovered that it just continued So I kept on crawling further and further into the cabinet At the end of the tunnel I saw a light And when I got there I realized I was in the future Okay Alright now that I'm cool

It's a being John Malkovich situation Yeah I love that So this guy claimed that he traveled to 2042 Where he'd met the 72 year old version of himself He proved this with a video he shot with his older self Sorry And if you watch the video They both seem to be taking this whole thing in stride

Put their arms around each other Smiling Not freaking out at all about time ripples Well one of them knew he was going to be there eventually So the other one is fine with it That's a good point I guess he would have to Yeah

Alright fair enough That explains their blasé attitude Oh hey me I met you a while back So they both show that they have the same tattoo on their forearm But honestly that makes me believe this even less This dude is supposed to be 40 years older And his tattoo looks just as fresh as the one on his younger self

Hmm Also it looks slightly bigger in size And the positioning on the arm doesn't look identical But who knows That could just be shoddy camera angles Looks like you just solved the case of the Merman I didn't need to Because in reality the video of this guy

Whose name is Hakan Norkvist It was actually a viral marketing campaign Created to promote the pension plans Sold by the Swedish insurance company AMF Oh god I want Why is it that pension plans are doing better commercials Than anything that we've got going on here Because I understand that the advertising campaign

Was meant to be like You can feel secure about your older self Right right right That kind of thing It all makes perfect sense The moment you describe it as an ad I'm like oh yeah I got it all now Yeah so it was passed off as a time traveler

By these guys over at Apex TV So funny And but it didn't matter You know that it's all clearly like bullshit Right right It ended up getting like 2.5 million views And they put it on YouTube Everybody wins except I guess the actor

He probably didn't get residual From the YouTube monetization I don't know but it really worked as a viral Yeah that killed it At least to the extent that anyone knows That it was a viral campaign It might not have had the follow through To get people to buy Swedish insurance plans

I don't think a lot of Apex TV viewers Are also in the Swedish insurance markets But whatever the case You've got these two instances Where like you know you were making these listicles And it's doing whatever traffic it's doing And you got one time traveler One million plus views

Swedish insurance commercial presented as time traveler 2.5 million views That's called finding a fucking lane is what that is Exactly you see the writing on the wall Time travel is what we do So from there the channel has just put out tons of videos Featuring people who are claiming to be time travelers Many of their stories are contradictory

But that's okay because Apex TV wants you to decide Whether or not these people should be believed It's the standard paranormal conspiracy outlet line I'm just passing along the information You get to choose to believe it or not And I think that sort of editorial policy Is sloppy and idiotic but whatever The world has room for sloppy idiots

As long as they're not actively creating this content Then pretending they're just passing it along It's all just kind of in good fun It's Ripley's believe it or not except for YouTube But really it's embarrassing For Kevin Moore to be interviewing this guy And not taking a more critical stance Than we will see from him

By the time that they have their interview It's been years since it came out that the person Apex TV was suggesting was a real time traveler Was just an insurance commercial If Kevin's trying to rebrand himself As the guy who calls out frauds in the community Like Mark Richards This is a good place to work that muscle a little bit

This would be a real prime opportunity Yeah, just, I mean Here's your quickest and dirtiest way Of figuring out that this isn't real The time traveler is giving an interview to you So he is not actually a time traveler It's very simple This guy who's talking to Kevin

Isn't a time traveler himself He's a liaison of time travelers Oh okay, I apologize He's the guy who talks to all the time travelers It's a second stage time traveler situation Well now that I know it's hearsay Then we're fine Totally

Of course this makes sense Yeah, so you might ask yourself How did this interview come about How did Kevin get hooked up with the guy Who talks to time travelers A Facebook message? Probably at some point during this process Yeah

Well thank you for contacting me when you did I really appreciate that That was a bit out of the blue I tell you what was the weird thing about that Is I had just been looking at your channel A few days ago before that Yeah, I was actually going through the people Who were subscribed to my channel

Sorting by the most popular And you were just only a couple down And I went onto your channel And I saw you have a bunch of interviews with people That I'm really into And I'm really into the subjects That the videos that you make So I thought, hey, I mean maybe

He'd be interested in having me as a guest on the show And it looks like a cool show So I'm glad to be on This was the first indication to me That something might be up here You know, I was looking through the people Who are subscribed to my channel And you were, you know, up there in the most popular

So I thought I'd reach out and see That's bananas Yeah, that kind of gives me a sense of like This seems to be driven by publicity This seems to be like First indication of like Crass promotional concerns And that's like minute one of the interview

Yeah, that was trouble It's almost being presented as like You know, we're running the same circles But it's not quite Because he is still saying that I was looking At the most popular of my subscribers You got it So that was kind of, huh

I mean, there's a certain refreshing candor to it Sure You know Or he's like, yeah Putting your nuts on the table Just being like This is what I do For the world to see

This is what I got for you I don't know what to tell you I hobnob with people who know The fucking secrets of space and time And I'm also going through my high subscriber counts To see who I like Yeah, that was a little bit of a troubling thing So, and also troubling

That Kevin is subscribed to this channel Knowing that this is all like It's for children I watched a couple of the videos And I'm like, what is this bullshit Big bubble letters all over Might as well be, yeah That's why I'm saying this is kind of beneath us

It does not take any critical thinking skills To deconstruct what this is Right I'm mostly interested in the fact That Kevin Moore is treating this in any way It deserves to be talked about in a serious way The more I find out about Kevin Moore The more I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

What is your game? What is your fucking game? I have a couple theories And one of them is just he's bad at this He's just kind of dumb That's an underlying theory That I think would be hard to talk me out of But then there's a second theory that I have

About like why he's against Kerry I'm not sure You can't prove it, but it's I'm working on it And it's developing And we'll get to that Probably a couple episodes down the line If this investigation continues

But one of the things is Like I said, I'm concerned primarily With the fact that Kevin is talking to this dude And treating it seriously And I think one of the things In this next clip I think we're going to see one of the reasons why He's behaving that way

Now this is the kind of weirdest interview I've done And that's kind of cool Because I think out of all my interviews today This is probably going to be the most fun one Even though it stresses me out to have no questions But it's still kind of hard I know what you mean I've done a lot of interviews where I don't have many questions

But yeah I gotta say that this interview is not starting off promising Kevin just outright said That he hasn't prepared for this interview He has no questions already Which I find troubling This is where the whole thing becomes really interesting to me Because like on the one hand

This Apex TV is never something I want to cover It's really just amateurish clickbait bullshit Targeted at idiots and children Naturally Which I'm not particularly interested in I feel like it would largely be a waste of time to critique it In the same way I don't have time to tell you about how that link

For that one super food that'll save your life Is not on the up and up Dude, I've got this one weird trick for you That will do I don't even know how many things at this point Right, that's not a good use time That's just frivolous bullshit But Kevin Moore pretends to be a journalist

He's trying to establish his brand as this gatekeeper Like a trusted voice To guide you through the good and the bad Of the space paranormal weirdo world He clearly has interest in calling people out Who he feels are giving the community a bad name So you'd expect you'd have that more broadly speaking Than just singularly applied to Carrie and Mark

Yeah, it would make sense Unless there was something personal Unless, oh shit Is Mark actually his real dad? No Oh, are you sure? I can't prove it, but no So like if he's trying to present himself

Like we talked about like as like some sort of a gatekeeper You'd think you'd apply this perspective more broadly As opposed to like the singular focus Like if he wants to get any mileage out of the perception That he takes this stuff seriously And resents people who are out there scamming people You know, making the serious researchers look bad He takes on certain responsibilities

Namely that he should be trying Case in point, he's starting this episode out Framing it as if Apex TV is talking to time-traveling whistle blowers Which is meant to lend credibility to their videos If he'd done any preparation, he could ask about How exactly these people ended up promoting a viral insurance ad As if it was a time-travel whistle-blower That would be a good place to start

I feel like that's the first question that needs to be answered Before you can even proceed with the interview At least it would be if Kevin were an interviewer Who was actually interested in upholding certain standards In the paranormal world, which it appears that he's not So anyway, I don't know, this is bad When you start off with like, I don't have any questions for you Guy who talks to time-travelers

How could you not have questions? I have so many questions I have, are you, I just, what's even better Is that he commiserates along with him He's like, yeah, I don't have questions for interviews all the time too We are both bad at our jobs Let's do it Legitimately, let's say, out of the blue

I get a big bong message that comes up on my screen And it's like, hey, I talked to time-travelers I will allow you to interview me in 10 minutes I would still have questions No, I have so many There's no amount of immediacy that the interview could come That I wouldn't have some sort of like, alright I'm gonna gather my thoughts really quick

Right now, how do you time-travel? Can't answer that one? Alright, next Why do you time-travel? Again, he's not talking to the time-traveler But you know, you still could ask those questions Of like, you clearly have asked those questions to the time-travelers You fucking better have Although on the other hand, you just told me that a lot of the time

You don't have any questions, so AMF, alright I don't know, we'll know in 40 years though So, the questions that we do get are At the beginning of this are like Hey, why are you hiding behind that microphone? Well, that's a good one So, why are you nameless to begin with?

Oh, well, I don't want to give out any personal information As of right now, because I've interviewed a lot of people Who have expressed concerns for their security And I think those, by distributing their messages If they're telling the truth, they could That concern for their security could Translate over into me And the team here at Apex TV

That doesn't sound right We want to, that's the reason we've chosen to stay anonymous As of right now, okay Another possibility is you know you're scamming people Right, right That could be You don't want people, you don't want blowback Right, right

That's another possibility But again, I mean Another reason could be he works at Home Depot Yeah And he would prefer not to be fired from Home Depot Yeah, there's a lot of reasons A lot of people use anonymity when they're fucking around online Yeah

Anyway, I don't care I didn't do too much looking into trying to figure out Who this person is Because I'll respect their anonymity To the extent that they are I don't think that there's anything That I can tell that they're up to That elevates past the level of like

I don't know Fucking around internet nonsense Yeah, I think that Of course you would Like in that line of work It's just a good idea to say you have to be anonymous Sure Yeah, just throw it out there

Just for fun In some ways Whenever you're engaged in this sort of like LARP or whatever Yeah You have to It's by default You say you need to be anonymous for protection

For sure, for sure Because if you don't It almost raises too many questions Yeah Like you should have to be anonymous If you're saying these things That's fair Yeah

Otherwise you have to pull the Mark Richards is like No, I was off-planet But they're giving you a different story And they don't care I've been burned They know I'm crazy So it's fine

Yeah, yeah Right So in this next clip We get to a discussion Of Apex TV's greatest work They're really The Swedish No, that was big

But what really put them on the map Was this one-time traveler That they talked to Okay And it was a younger gentleman Okay And it ended up getting them A bunch of mainstream coverage

Cool Maybe not quite, you know, CNN Sure But still like some Foreign news outlets Yeah All right I saw recently

You got it You was on talk shows All over the world In some cases There was one in Australia There was You was over here in the UK On the magazines

Newspapers That was pretty impressive Yeah, I was surprised that The reception of one of those interviews We did with a man named Noah Who claimed to be a time traveler From the year 2030 And it was actually him

That went on a lot of those Talk shows and everything I did go on a couple But it's amazing The reach into the mainstream news That this has gotten Because the ironic thing Is that the people we've interviewed

Say they've tried to contact The mainstream news And they haven't been Recepted to them And they haven't taken up Their stories And then by us Taking up their stories

And it actually reaches The mainstream news That's a Really surprised me And it really gave me hope The dirty mainstream news And they're Covering up

Yeah This is just another attack On the news Yeah Fake news They won't talk about My time travel buddies Not even time travelers

Also a point of order 2030 is a bad year to choose That is way too soon Oh yeah That is only like 10 years away Oh no Wait You can't really embellish

A bunch of stuff 20, 30 I would have gone with a different year If I was him What year would you choose For your time travel? I don't know 75, 82

75, 82 Yeah Then I could just make up Everything Right That's fair It's so far in the future That like

How will I'll just We don't even breathe anymore Perf me wrong We'll evolve Out of breathing Because the atmosphere Will be destroyed

Then why do you look Like you do right now? Wow Because we also have Technology to revert Ourselves back So one of Apex TV's biggest Claim to fame

Was their work that they did With a person named Noah Who was said to be Like he said A time traveler from the year 2030 Sure Got a message for mankind

Noah had been Knock it off He'd been recruited Into a time travel program In 2025 Whereas job would be To go back in time To help compile

A compendium of all history So Noah traveled back To our time Which makes almost no sense Since you know 2017 The time that he showed up in Wouldn't be a mysterious time

To the people in 2030 You'd think they'd be more Interested in figuring out What was going on In ancient times Or checking out that Jesus character Or something like that

You know You could make a good argument That the 2016 election May be historically relevant For future civilizations But I would suggest That they will not be wanting For information about it

That's probably true It's been pretty well documented The things that are happening In the present day But maybe what happened Was they lost the internet And gained time travel It was a one to one

I don't know if you know this There's still a lot of books Being published Ah, not time travel But I don't know Still a lot of people Chiseling things in stone That was when Wikipedia

First came to a sentience Sure So anyway Noah came back to our time But ended up getting fired From his job With this future time travel Organization

After he got into a bar fight In South America This trapped Noah In the present day Which was his past So he had to create a new persona And try and do the best he could If you consider

For one second The story that's being told here You have to pause And ask some serious follow ups The first is What kind of secret time travel program Is just going to recruit someone Who will then know all their secrets

And fire them for something as trivial As getting into a bar fight Just going to cut him loose Cut him loose Just throw him off in the past I used to work at a movie theater And one of my coworkers Showed up for a shift

With a black eye And a big cut Bragging about getting into a bar fight The night before And they didn't even take it Tell him to take the day off It seems unlikely That a time travel program

Would consider this termination worthy As an offense I mean you can't have this kind of moral behavior Reflect poorly back on the time travel But even if that's the case Why strand the dude Who knows all your secrets in the past But you can't control him then

Budget Any half decent secret time travel outfit Is going to kill this guy Or at very least Bring him back to 2030 And lock him up there For sure Or lock him up here

Find a guy who can Do any of these things It makes you wonder How much time travel detritus Is left behind by these people So anyway They're littering time garbage If I were the person

Doing an interview with this guy This would be a hole Yeah In the story That I would really need A good explanation for It would bother me Yeah

So Noah had some fun stories To tell about What life was like in 2030 All right For one He informed the world That MLK Jr. Martin Luther King Jr.

His granddaughter Yolanda Renee King Will become president In that year That's fun One problem is that Yolanda was born in 2008 So that would make her

21 years old in 2030 Right Which is lower And you have to be 21 years old to run for president Well it's lower than the Minimum age for someone To become president

As we understand now Right There we go See Noah explained That by that point A law will be passed That allows younger people To be president

But he doesn't seem to Understand that this would Require a full on amendment Since the presidential age Limit is from article 2 Section 1 Introduction I feel like if we get to the

Point where two thirds Of the House and Senate Pass an amendment Lowering the age Required to be president And then three quarters Of the states ratify it I think the fact that

21 year olds could be president Is not the headline The big story here Would have to be the Massive political realignment That would have to happen In the next 10 years To get us to the point

Where these stuffy ass Washington political class Are trying to get youth Into the White House Headline 2025 What the fuck's going on? Like really From a political science

Perspective What could bring that about? Like really think about it One possibility would be That we see a trend Of high levels We already are seeing this And we have to continue

The high levels of Political engagement In the youth For sure You don't have to Continue to the point Where they become The only political

Relevant voting block In the country As more and more people Control the vote They could vote in Younger senators And representatives Who would be then inclined

To push for that amendment I guess But this younger voting Block wouldn't be Single issue voters Just based on lowering The age you have to be To run for president

There would be ripple effects Like polling shows That the youth are pretty Overwhelmingly in favor Of some pretty Left positions Particularly ones Related to civil rights

Issues and climate change If they fix their wills To the point where They got that kind of Constitutional amendment Passed You have to assume Their presence would be

Felt in so many other places Like this amendment Would be a side note To the bigger news That fossil fuels Had been outlawed Right? I mean

I feel like It would be a side note To the bigger news That everyone over 40 Died See that's the other Consideration That's the only other

Possibility right There had to have been An apocalypse Or a plague That strikes Some sort of New illness strikes But it only affects

The older population Everyone's got to grow Up real fast Right right right If there's nobody Over the age of 35 There can be no president Dan

Right Something like that Is possible But again In that case The amendment Is not news So he says

That Yolanda King Is president in 2030 And he says That she's Elected at the age Of 21 There's another problem

Here And that is That 2030 Is not a presidential Election year Yes you're right She washing about her Actually being elected

In 2030 But he does say That she's Elected at 21 Which she would be In 2030 Right If she was

Elected in 2028 She would be 19 At that point None of this Makes any sense No And is honestly Completely disqualifying

Anybody who would Consider this Shit for a second Is an idiot Or they're running A con Right One of the two

Right So this is The sort of Who cares They're having fun Right To the best of our knowledge They're having fun

I'm not going to Be a grumpy Uncle Dan over here Being like You internet kids Yeah Noah got to go on TV All around the world

How great is that It's clearly part Of some corner Of the internet That I'm not a part Of I don't fully Understand

So I'm not going To stake too much Of my effort On being like Shaking my fist Yeah But at the same time You

Like a guy Trying to present himself As Like we're You know You can decide Whether this is real or not Well, why don't you help

People decide a little bit By asking a fucking question Anyway He also Noah predicted That multiple US cities Would be completely destroyed By snowstorms

In February 2019 Which I don't think Happened I'm pretty sure What year is it now? 2019 Ooh, that's trouble That's not going well

So he revealed This information In a video A piece of paper Proporting to be a page From a book that lays Out our future history This page is labeled

2019 to 2020 And it just has Six entries on it Which it seems Boy, this is Apocalypse-written All over it It seems

Everything is gone It seems a little minimalistic It's just a crumpled Up piece of computer paper That's been slightly Distressed to look Weather Legitimately, it looks

Like something a junior High student would make If they're trying to come up With a prop Yeah I'm not going to put this Into words But it's embarrassing

It's pretty sad I've soaked tea I've soaked paper and tea And then baked it For a little bit And it gives you A little parchment feel It's good stuff

Yeah, so Noah made The rounds on some talk shows And got a bunch of publicity Which was largely Filtered back to Apex TV Since he was Appearing with his face Obscured

You know, they had A pixelated thing And they altered his voice So they made it Pretty much anonymous You know, even though He has a name to him Sure, sure

In one interview I saw of his It was a split screen With the news anchors On one side And a shot of his chest On the other On his torso

He was wearing a well-framed Apex TV hoodie Oh, okay So he was wearing their Look, it's all free press Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah This is one of the More low-rent lazy scams

I've seen in my time Looking at the Paranormal space grifter world It's remarkable to me To imagine that anyone Would look at this shit And even give it a second Thought, quite honestly

Yeah, yeah, yeah It's even more insane That this Apex TV Would promote this story That's so clearly full Of basic holes Oh, massive Unless they don't care

It's just like This is all just bullshit Who cares? Get it out the door We'll get some money out of this Then on top of that It's bananas Kevin Moore would have

Such low standards That he's doing a softball interview With the guy who's promoting This very clearly Full of shit nonsense But that's what Exactly what's happening All right, so

The guy that we're talking with Right now Yes That Kevin Moore has started with Anonymous guy Yes, anonymous guy I'm just going to refer to As Apex TV

Sure, sure Apex TV dude He is obscured But his voice is not altered Yeah Now, Noah is both obscured And his voice is altered Yes, pixelated

Right Over the face Now, if I'm Apex guy Why am I not both guys? You have to be both guys It's definitely not It's definitely not We'll get to that later

Okay But, yeah, no I thought about that as well Yeah Why not? I mean, if you're already Apex guy Well, of course you're going to Jump into time travel

Why not? You got nothing to lose I think you've got to be worried About the possibility of Like raw footage getting leaked Someone getting their hands on that I don't know I don't know exactly why

You wouldn't do it It seems like you'd have One less loose string Yeah, well, the only thing I was thinking is because Moore asked him He's like, or he says You went on TV

You all did all these interviews All around the world And then he goes like No, I did some But it was this other guy Making me think that Moore knows that it was all him And he has to then say

Kevin doesn't know shit Kevin, well, yeah I should start from that Operating position always Yeah, that's a theme Fair enough So, in this next clip We get to find out the Apex

They're getting a lot They talk to a lot Of time travelers Eventually, we got contacted By this man claiming to be A time traveler from the year 2026, I think And that was our first interview

In which we actually sat down With somebody in person And he told us an amazing story I think he really believed What he was saying Whether or not he was telling The truth is another story But it was a really interesting

Really interesting interview And I think the viewers Thought so as well The reach to that was incredible And ever since then In my inbox In the last week I have maybe 20 people

Claimed to be time travelers From various years So it's getting hard To interview all these people And going through each one One by one is Quite the challenge Right, right

If you thought any of them Were actual time travelers You'd make the time I think Also, 20 is not that many It's a lot You could vet 20 time travelers In a good two or three hours

I would ask you How do you vet a time traveler? Facebook, first off What do you do? Put their name in there Sure Did it pop up? Yeah, but if you're back in time

You could make a Facebook page Sure It's very easy Okay All you need is an email address Yeah, but there's other information I'm just saying like right off the bat So if they claim to have shown up in 2017

And they have Facebook posts from 2015 Sure That does indicate a problem Yeah, yeah, yeah See what I'm saying But that's not going to be the case For all of them Some of them are going to be using aliases

You're not even going to be able to find their Facebook page For sure But say you got 20 I say in the first 10 minutes You can knock out at least four or five of those Yeah So now you got 15 And you got a whole day to go through 15

I bet you could do it Maybe No problem I think that you're underestimating the workload That this would bring up I think that you probably imagine Just everything is this way Oh, yeah, it is

No, no, no I mean time traveling specifically I think that you You do a lot of work For real world shit I think you're I can prove somebody is not a time traveler In 10 minutes

All right Listeners Pretend to be a time traveler Email Jordan 20 of you Just 20 of you Yeah, just 20 Just so you can get a taste of this

I'll knock it out in five minutes Well, you're in on it now And you could just say none of them are I could have said that anyway You probably should Anyway We got an indication earlier That there is this sort of like

Huh You know, this guy is coming on Kevin's show Because he's one of his more popular subscribers Sure Sure These sorts of interests These sort of like motivations Come up a bit

Well, I'll just say I mean that's some You know, I mean I've got I can beat this out But I mean you're making some serious money From this channel as well And I think the figures are quite right On social blade

Because they're right for my channel So first of all I say congratulations for that Right Yeah, you have to understand We're employing people to transcribe All the videos Putting them into text forms

So we can put them out on our website We're making the videos into formats That will be acceptable for Instagram, Facebook We're actually translating the videos Now into other languages Including Korean, Espanol, Spanish A couple other languages Oh, Hindi

We've actually got those channels launched already So a lot of the money Most of the money is going right back Into ApexTV And into employing more people To spread these people's messages And our goal is just to make an environment In which people aren't afraid

To tell their stories So we're making a lot of money But it's just going back into running the business There's a lot of deflectionary things Like that And that entire theme of like You know, not saying this is true or not Not saying this is true

We're just going to make a place Where things are comfortable For people to come forward with their bullshit I guess fine It's kind of enabling in some ways But this is a really wild Space weirdo interview Already at the gate

They're breaking a lot of rules What do you mean? Well, Moore just said Talking money? Yeah Moore just said like Hey, I know basically how much money you're making Because of how much money I'm making

So congratulations That is a little That is not okay That's a slight mask slip moment Yeah, that's not good That is That is Hey, good job

Yeah, I don't know I guess on the one hand You could look at it as like We're just talking about it In terms of the financials But what we're really actually talking about Underneath is like How many people are seeing the message

But that's even like Yeah, try and sell that to anybody I'm sure that would be Kind of the way that they were trying Yeah But it does seem like That money, promotion, attention Is much more the currency

That they're trafficking in I just I don't know I just I find this very weird And then also Just that constant refrain Of like

I want to just put it Like their stories out there Yeah I don't know if it's true or not I don't know if it's true or not That is so consistent And it's just weird I'm just heroically bringing

What may be truth to the people And the mainstream media ignores They can't do it Right They're too afraid Without me Noah would have never been on television Absolutely

Fine Then again Neither would these 20 other guys Who are lying as well But that's not important Sure So Kevin gets around to talking about How like

It's weird No time travelers talk to me Oh my God You know just I don't get these people coming to me Right I've never had Well, maybe one

Maybe one And it was It was about what the real story Of the John Teeter story was all about And it was just so crazy And out there That actually It almost did sound

Actually there was some truth in it Right Yeah It was a love story Mixed in with this as well And I've got all the context Oh wow Yeah

Yeah Yeah It was You know I've never actually really talked about this I went all the way down to London actually To interview this lady Who had met this person

Many years ago Oh And she had It had destroyed her in some ways Because she fell in love with this guy And Is he talking about the time travelers wife? He's still about to go to Mexico apparently

And the whole John Teeter story Is not what we think it is It's actually very different To what the actual Story is that's out there So I've only come across it once And I never did anything with it

Why didn't you do anything with it? Yeah I also When I was listening to that I was like I've never seen or read The time travelers wife But

That sounds like it could be The time travelers wife It seems like the plot You might write You've never seen it It just heard the title It's definitely somebody's book Yeah

Yeah So John Teeter is the classic You know That is right Oh no I didn't I don't want to get too in depth on it I think we'll probably end up covering it

If we keep going with Coast to Coast A.M. Just because it's a huge thing in that I might know it I'm just terrible with name He's a guy who claimed to be Time traveler And made a bunch of shit predictions And then other people have

Oh yeah No no I know that We talked about him the last time We talked about time traveling weirdos But I just I just do not remember names It's

Yeah We haven't gone in depth on it Because it's It's a gigantic body of work Yeah Let's say But it's a big part of the like Online time travel theory work

Right There's like Pretenders There's the original fake Sure It's a mess Sure But yeah

I found that to be strange Because I don't know what He's actually talking about He actually think there's a time traveler Or did he talk to a lady Who got conned by someone Who said they were a time traveler Right

But he's actually in Mexico Right I don't know what the fuck He's talking about I know somebody didn't make any money Off of this And somebody definitely lost some money And

That's all I know Kevin decided not to do anything with it Which might be An indication of good judgment He could be both Yeah So I don't think that if our

Listeners Email you And try and make you vet them I don't think you're going to have too Tough a time with it Because like I said You'll just ignore all of it And say none of them are time travelers

Fair Which I think is good Yeah I think that's a positive approach That would be your approach Sure Now we get to hear a little bit About ApexTV's approach

Okay Towards vetting time travelers I like it Okay How can you vet these people? That's the issue Is with Like we've had a few

Who We go through Doing a So you see We don't go In person interview First off We do a couple of Skype interviews

We ask them If they have any conclusive proof For anything And if what they're showing us Seems to be holding up We sometimes do go as far as Meeting them in person We've done it

A variety of times Travelled all over the world Actually had some of the best experiences Of my life For example We went to Armenia On several occasions Other European countries

To do interviews with these people So yeah That's a major issue It's like How do we know? Yeah And what we're trying to do Is

Create an environment In which people Aren't afraid to tell Their stories So I think Almost The less vetting the better But if someone's obviously

Trying to pull your leg Like we've had That many times Like we go on with an interview With somebody And they're wearing a ski mask And they They seem to be

Making a joke out of the whole thing He looks like he's Five years old or something And we've had that A couple times Here's how you know Someone's trying to pull your leg They tell you

They're a time traveler I I I So what's the line, man? Here's the two things That we learned from that clip The first is

That the answer is How do you vet these people? We don't Yes That's the number one thing I believe you said You don't want to do too much vetting? We talked to them

A couple times See if they're just yelling Yeah Probably not Because that's just not Going to be good for the brand Right That's an issue

Or if they're clearly Just mentally ill Yeah You know, that's not going to work For us So we do a couple Skype interviews to make sure That they can coherently

Say a couple lines And then we move forward with it Yeah So that's the vetting process It's just An audition almost Right Which is great

And then the second thing That we learned is They're making enough money To travel to fucking Europe Repeatedly Yeah, I'm really not Liking these guys So that's good

I'm really not Liking this Okay You are fucking Bumming me out, man Yeah Yeah Good

Happy Halloween This is beneath us Also, we're broke And they are flying around And having the best time Of their lives It's beneath us From like a

Like a content standpoint I understand To just critically Discuss them perhaps But they're not Like irrelevant In some sense Like they are

Massively popular In a world That we're not a part of No, no, no I understand We're still not punching down Even if this is profoundly Stupid stuff

I'm not furious I'm more furious That we are punching up At them That is what I am That is a That is what I'm Expressing my frustration with

I think we just need No vetting Yeah, I Really This entire show Is vetting And we're doing it wrong Yeah, apparently

So it turns out When you don't vet Yeah Some people end up Being out at his liars Sure And we've had some people Actually come out as being

Fake For example We did an interview with Michael Phillips Who claims to have been from I forget what year But he talked about A third world war

And he He actually came out A couple of weeks ago He posted a video on his channel Saying it was all It was all fake To see if we would take His story and everything

And I think that That some people might see That as I don't know But I think it I think it serves us In the sense that They can see that

We're not part of these people We're not We're not telling them What to say They're the ones coming to us And I saw in the comments Section a lot of people were Asking them

Did Apex TV pay you Because that's That's what everybody's Saying online And he responded to all the Comments saying no I was just trying to see If Apex TV would

Take up my story So, you know That might be the case With many of these people But if just one person Is telling the truth It proves that Things are going on

That the public doesn't know About behind closed doors But what if no one's telling The truth I mean His premise is correct If there is one time traveler Yeah

One One Then the whole game is up You bet You know, there's just The whole thing You bet It's all over

Now We start from Year zero If there's one time Travel I agree with you However You can't be on

Proving that there is one Is It should be easy It's very easy It kind of It kind of should be Yeah So it turns out, Jordan

Michael Phillips That guy that he's talking about In that clip there He's not the only time traveler That's Phelps Okay He's not the only time traveler Who's been promoted

By Apex TV That has come out and said That what they did was fake Okay So this video That he's doing This interview has taken place In 2018

Well, you remember that guy Noah That we talked about Yeah Well, in July 2019 Apex TV Put out a video Revealing that the person

Claiming to be Noah The time traveler Who got all of this Mainstream news coverage Was actually just a guy named Jason Who'd faked the whole thing Right

In the video Put out by Apex Jason explains That he was an Alienated kid Lonely and bullied Who'd stumbled into Apex TV He really got into the whole thing

And decided to contact them Claiming to be a time traveler The entire message Feels very curated though With lines like Quote Just because I lied It doesn't mean that other people

Aren't telling the truth Okay Alright The video feels like It was created in order To address the fact That this story was bullshit But also

Maintained the perception That everything else Is probably isn't It also feels like it serves A very specific purpose Namely to put the blame For the lie on Jason He was socially isolated

And insecure So he concocted this plot Apex TV Was just a media outlet For him to tell his lie And they did everything In their power To check his story

They even gave him A lie detector test So what more do you want From these people This feels A lot like media relations Not like an update To the story

Another thing That seems weird Is that all the NOAA videos Are still up On the Apex channel Well yeah None of their titles Have been changed

To something like Guy Lies to us About time travel But it's still good content Man, just because it's not true Doesn't mean it's not good Content Media like parentheses

Debunked Or something What is that What are they The Guardian No, this is Apex TV Debunk yourself They still have titles

Like quote Time traveler from 2030 Reveals future of the Philippines And quote Time traveler Meets his future self No disclaimers Or anything

Yeah, yeah They should probably Just have Jason Yeah Jason reveals Secrets of 2030 Also, that video Where he meets his future self

Who apparently Has come back to 2017 From 2070 That's how it goes Yeah, yeah So this guy Originally came from 2030 to 2017

Right And now 2070 version Has come back to 2017 Okay And they're meeting up They're gonna start a band? Well, here's the thing

It creates a ton of problems Now that we know That it's all a lie Right How did that happen? So you have NOAA lying Yeah And now you have a

Completely separate person Who decided to get in On the lie Right So Apex TV From the two Uh-huh If this is supposed to be true

How can this even work With the story? I thought NOAA got fired From the time-traveling job And got stranded in 2017 So this guy from 2070 Would have to be Like 60 years older than him

But he's clearly not He's just How old he would be Aged from 2030 Onto 2070 Right It makes no sense Right, he wouldn't have

The additional 13 years The NOAA in 2030 Is no longer in the future That Like past the time That he comes back To 2017 So that version of himself

Shouldn't exist It's just an embarrassing Showing But you know Apex TV Is just there to tell People's stories It's not their fault

That the stories that They're telling are lies They felt victim to An elaborate fraud Carried out by a Socially isolated teen And a 40 year old guy Who wanted to pretend

To be his future self It could happen to anyone That really does sound Like It could happen to anyone That is a common story Right I go down to the salon

We all play Go And we talk about This circumstance happening All the time It's Weird Yeah

Yeah Considering the logistics Of how this would end up Happening Yeah It doesn't seem like It would end up happening Except by

A guiding hand Yeah He is He was absolutely right When he said It's a good idea Not to do too much Vending

Like in the same way It's a good idea Not to worry too much About whether or not It does come out Or we're sure If you start putting That effort into it

Then people are going to Recognize the craft Whereas if you have No effort People are just going to Think you're lying And some people are going To think you're telling the truth

Doesn't need Effort Nope So They're talking about this And so Michael Phillips He wasn't true

And it all turned out To not be true So Kevin asks An interesting question And that is Have you ever been talking To one of these people And just be like

I don't know about I have not Is there times in an interview Where you just think This is just a load of rubbish Or this is just I just can't This isn't

This is something I can't swallow Do you know what I mean This is just I can't go down This direction But you know Yeah

Go ahead During the mermaid interview I remember when he When I asked him If he could speak Mermaid And he started Making those sounds

That was the hardest I've ever tried Not to laugh During an interview I didn't want to be disrespectful He was a mermaid But uh Yeah

There are There are times like that Yeah I mean look You know I deal with a lot of shows That with people that channel You could say

The same thing for them Do you know what I mean In some respects Exactly And I mean I never You know Doing a documentary on channel

And that's why I'm heading back out to the states Soon Just to finish that documentary Oh cool No We can't be doing this But

You know You could say We can't have both of you Commiserating on the like I know some people Just lie to your face Right Well I mean

It's really interesting Because here what's going on Is Kevin has asked him What's the most laughable thing You've ever seen It's like well a guy Pretending to do A mermaid voice

Yeah You know that's kind of like Whenever I talk to channelers Put two and two together Asshole No shit And they're both They're both just moving on

Just moving on Yeah I know Isn't it weird that Sometimes people lie To us Of all people One Interpretation you could take of

That Is that Kevin Moore is saying Like Oh that's very similar To How The bullshit that I deal with Yeah

Which is the channelers who do All these ridiculous voices Right The other reading of it That you could take Is Kevin Moore Believing that the channelers Weird voices are sincere

And genuine And then being like Well you know Maybe that guy was talking Mermaid Yeah So anyway They don't talk about it much

But he interviewed a guy Who claimed to be a mermaid Yeah So I believe the Direct quote began with During the mermaid episode Yes

Which is something that I don't hear often enough Dan That was not something I decided to look into For this episode Leave that one Well enough alone Let me tell you something

In ten minutes I can debunk whether Or not you're a mermaid Send me an email Through your water computer I love the idea that Maybe you're gonna get A fuck ton of emails from this

So he also ApexTV Has another interview That's coming up This is in the context Of a conversation Where Kevin's trying to ask him About like

Do any of them have technology? And he's like Well some of them say They have to Right Good Good sign One of them has a top

A spinning top And I did actually Go watch this video It is just a top And he claims That it has something To do with like A connect to his brain

And endorphins Sure And he's like Well you know I know that you won't think This is future technology But if you're a teacher Who look back

And see this video They will know That I was a time Who cares Okay Anyway That's the least important Thing about this guy

Sure There's another indication That I get That something might be Up with this dude So in a couple days We're gonna do the interview With him

And he's gonna show it to us That's on Skype And I'm excited To see what he has to say Sounded like an Australian man Who said He said some empire Never went

Dang I forgot the empire But he said One of them never went Got overtaken And they The Ottoman empire He said they never fell So they've actually

Existed throughout time What we have here Is possibly a slight indication Of some bigotry Creeping into the proceedings Now it's entirely possible That this guy Who he's talking to

Is just a weirdo Who has some A historical views And some revisionism But generally When you hear someone In the present day Talking about the

Ottoman empire And how it never really Went away You're listening to a rank The Ottoman empire Is one of the largest Historical examples Of a widespread Islamic kingdom

And it existed until Relatively recently Only being dissolved After World War I In modern anti-Muslim circles It's not super uncommon To hear references To the Ottoman empire

Is what the Muslims Want to recreate I know that I've definitely Heard people express The idea that the empire Never fell And is actually still alive Today

In what they would describe As expansionist Islam All this really Is to serve It serves to reinforce The perception that the Term oil in the world Is easily understandable

As a civilization-level conflict Between Christians and Muslims It could just be that this dude Is writing some sort of Benign historical fiction Except that's entirely a possibility But little things like that Kind of hinted a possible underbelly

Of the sorts of things That you could accidentally Give a platform to When you have literally Zero editorial oversight Or quality control In what you put out And what you allow these

Supposed time travelers To disseminate You could accidentally Give a platform to somebody Who has some like crypto Fucked up messages Yeah, well, I mean I imagine that it is

At the very least Statistically representative The percentage or the ratio Of out and out bigots Versus non In the space weirdo community As it is for the population At large

Maybe higher If not higher But at least, you know So I say that puts us at What? Like at least a 30% chance That any one of those Space weirdos

Has some weird racial Probably way higher than that It's possible I don't want to try and Like I don't want to try And give a specific number Cause I think that's where We get into trouble

But yeah, you know There is some segment Of the population Of this population That Is just sublimating Their regular racism Through space racing

Sure And when you have No vetting When you have no standards Of what you put forward Because you want everybody To be able to come forward With your message

You kind of got to expect That some people might Subconsciously Or even consciously Try to trojan-horse Those sorts of messages through Oh yeah And if you're doing

No oversight No editorial process Nothing You'll end up just airing Shit that could possibly be Space white nationalism Yeah, easily Easily

So now we get to another The plot sort of shifts And we get to a very Familiar topic In a paranormal talk And that is of course The Mandela Effect Okay

With the Just swapping this subject A little bit But the Mandela Effect That's something that you've Covered on your Channel as well And that's got a lot of

That Mandela Effect A lot of people are talking About that on YouTube Right now Totally Just explain to us What that is Just to begin with

Yeah The Mandela Effect Is where You think something Happened in a certain way And it's more so Where a Mass of people

Think something happened In a certain way For example At the end Of the Star Wars movie Darth Vader says Luke, I am your father It turns out

He never said that at all And you can You can look this up on YouTube I forget what he actually Said But it wasn't that And there's been

A variety of examples Within mainstream media Did you know that, Jordan? What? Freak out He doesn't say Luke, I'm your father Okay

Oh Most disappointing Freak out ever So this is one of the lamest examples ever Of the Mandela Effect But it's one that Everybody trots out

Because almost Everybody has seen Star Wars Search your feelings You know it to be true I am your father No No

Is that it? No Okay People tend to remember The line at the end of Empire Strikes Back As Luke, I am your father But in reality

It's not quite the line In the movie Luke says to Darth Vader You killed my father And Vader replies No, I am your father It's really easy to see How this could be quoted

As Luke, I'm your father To the point Where people just accept That that's how the line Must have been Because like Discussing Out of context

Or if you're quoting The movie No, I am your father It sounds way worse Than Luke, I am your father He never said Play it again, Sam Let's move on

You know That's how it is With pretty much all of these Things that get cited As examples of the Mandela Effect They're all just things That are slightly off

From what actually happened Because what actually happened Is slightly off From what your brain Would naturally assume The Berenstain Bears Is remembered as Berenstein Bears

Because Stein Is a much more common suffix In last names Than Stain Stain is just not As common at all So people are like Ah, Berenstein

Or Berenstein And they don't have Any specific stains Or anything that would Make you go like Oh, Stain That would absolutely Trigger in your mind

Of course The mnemonic or whatever The associative device Or in reverse If they were Berenstein Bears But they were covered In stains

Then you'd remember Them as the Berenstein Bears It'd be very confusing I've looked at a bunch Of examples of the Mandela Effect And pretty much all of them

Are somewhere in between Completely uninteresting And that's weird Mandela Effect Shit is good and fun And honestly I think it's kind of neat Like a cataloging

Of little ways that we Misincorporate information Into our collective Cultural memory Almost like it's a Database of times That we've veered off From integrating

Precise information Preferring simplicity But it becomes Really serious Bullshit When you take it seriously And try to present it As a paranormal phenomenon

Which is pretty much All of these grifters do And it makes sense Why they would The Mandela Effect At its core Is pointing out errors And cultural memory

And by definition We're all engaged With cultural memory Everyone who's part Of the culture Takes on some relation To it We draw information

From it If we didn't We'd have a much more Difficult time Relating to each other Without shared references And touchstones And easy ways

To make metaphors Because we're all Interacting with this Collective memory Pointing out times When it was just Slightly off Is compelling

To a large number Of people Almost every single person You'll ever ask About the Berenstein bears Will think it's spelled Stein Because that's the way

Our culture ended up Remembering the name Thus, whenever you point Out these little quirks You will get a response Out of most people Ranging from That's weird

To no fucking way, man And it's that response That you need In order to inject A kernel of doubt In them That reality is Not what it seems to be

You can take that visceral Experience of learning That Darth Vader Doesn't say Luke, I am your father And use it to say Hey, you were certain That he said

Luke, I am your father But he didn't So what else are you certain Of that you might be wrong About? In this way The Mandela effect shit Is a really useful

Entry point for Paranormal grifters To use to open Their audience's mind To the possibility That other complete Horse shit they're trying To sell them might

Actually be real Even though you're certain That it's not That's why it's such A mainstay Of these weirdo Grifter's content So I'm not surprised

To see both Kevin And ApexTV Of course It's almost It's near universal And I'm not saying That everybody who talks About it is by default

Engaging in some kind Of grift Right Because some people Are just like Oh, this is a strange thing Isn't it a fun, yeah You see it

But the people Who are kind of Really into it Those are the people You gotta really look out for It is kind of An interesting Collective neurological

Exploit Yeah You know, it's like That video where You see all those people Bouncing the ball around And then there's the Cutts that out

Why do I miss that? And the same thing is True of this on a macro scale Of just like I'm rewriting reality For my comfort And then whenever You show me that it's not

My discomfort Expresses itself In a weird way Yeah, attention and memory Aren't things that Like catalog things Directly and concretely Exactly

And that is true On an individual level And it's true On a cultural level I witness testimony Should not be allowed Sure And that's most of

What explains this phenomenon Yeah And so I just When you look at it On that level Whether or not I do think it's intentionally Deployed and weaponized

In some ways by these These folks For sure I do think that it is A recruiting kind of strategy In these space grids Yeah, I think it's I think it's weaponized

In the same way that So many games are Optimized to maintain Your attention And keep giving you that Like when you're playing Candy Crush or something Like that

They have psychologists Who have spent their careers Figuring out ways To make you spend 20 cents Every time you need To press a button Sure They give you that feedback

Loop and the same thing Is true of this If there's an exploit To make them To earn people money They're going to find it And there's so many other Things too

I mean there's parallels Of stuff in Alex Jones's And the right-wing media's Strategies too Like with him You can get a lot of people To be like Oh, freak out

By being like Hey, did you know the Federal Reserve Is private? Like those sorts of Why is it called Federal then? All those kinds of Like entry-level Meme type things

Are they served To open you up To the grander And larger Less believable Conclusions That they want to walk you towards And you can go

Just a little bit of time Oh, I thought I could I was certain It was spelled Berenstein bears Well, if my memory is wrong about that What else could it be wrong about? Sure

Could be anything And that's one of the things That I actually I think is good and bad about this Like it is really interesting To think about these things And it's fun to talk about The ways in which our memories

Glitch to a certain extent Right I don't know That's my feeling on it But I just think you have to Have a more critical stance If you want to talk about it Honestly

Yeah You can't talk about it It's like Oh, it's probably To have parallel dimensions Shifting It could be That is a sign

That you're probably Full of shit Kazam So in this next clip We talk a little bit more About this here This year Mandela Effect And I think they called

The Mandela Effect Because they heard That Nelson Mandela Had died Previous to when he Previous to when he Actually did And that a massive

People were remembering He died on a certain day When he didn't And he actually lived For a while past then So there's a And the interesting thing Is that

If you go on Google And you go on Google Trends And search Nelson Mandela Death You can see it You see a big spike I forget when it was But it was way previous

To his actual death It wasn't as big As the spike obviously To when he actually died But the spike was Pretty sizable And it makes you wonder Why that happened

Makes you wonder why So I consulted The Google Trends And what you see Is a relatively flat graph With a giant spike In December 2013 Which makes sense

Since Nelson Mandela Died on December 5th, 2013 What makes Oh yeah, that makes Perfect sense What makes slightly less Sense is that There's another spike

Smaller than the December one But it's still Very noticeable In June 2013 Now ApexTV Was saying It was a long time

Before he died It's a couple months So he's Fudging things A little bit But there is Still another spike In cases like this

It's important to Consider possible explanations For this before jumping Into conclusions And thinking this means That Nelson Mandela Died in June and then Again in December

Or whatever this dude Is trying to apply Possibly alternate timelines Or whatever Google Trends Only reflects what People are searching for So if they were

Searching for Nelson Mandela Death It's entirely possible They were searching For those terms In order to find out If he was dead In 2013

Nelson Mandela Was 94 years old And in early June He was admitted To the hospital in Pretoria With a recurrence Of a chronic lung infection The doctors

Initially put his condition As serious but stable But after a few weeks In the hospital He was downgraded To being in critical condition South African citizens Held vigils outside

The hospital And it became A really big deal With the media Questioning if President Obama Was going to be able To visit him

While he was Receiving treatment The South African press Was reporting urgent Meetings to Discuss delicate matters Which many interpreted His imminent passing

Yeah Outside of December When he actually died June 2013 Was the month When the most speculation About his passing Was done in the press

Google Trans Reflects an increase Of search traffic For people For his death At a time That makes complete sense Unless you're willfully obtuse

And want to mislead people Yeah, yeah, yeah He was admitted To a hospital With a serious condition In June 2013 Right That's when that other

Spike is And then he died Fairly recently After that Yeah, a couple months later There was a big push In the news for it And then

Unlike And then it just Has to die down Because he's Still alive So that big push Is everybody thinking Oh, he's gonna die

Soon He's gonna die soon And people Writing articles About the possibility That he'll pass And talking about His legacy

There's a lot of media Attention on it When A heroic figure Is 94 years old And is hospitalised In a serious but Stable condition

You've got to recognise That serious but Stable at 94 Is bad Yeah So That's still bad Serious but stable

At 94 Is like We're hoping for 94 and a half You could make it to Like Serious but stable At 94

Is not Like It's not a good prognosis You still Could die At any point So people Searching for

Nelson Mandela Death Makes total sense Some kind of Like A piece of information That helps The Mandela effect

Look real Is just ludicrous Yeah, that's wild It's irresponsible I never understood Why, I understood That it was called The Mandela effect

Because people thought He died before he did I got that I never understood That This was why I honestly Don't even think

That's why That's not good Because from my memory I don't remember If this is exactly right But it's my sense That people thought That he died

While he was in prison Oh It wouldn't have been A couple of months before Really? People thought he Died while he was in prison? Which doesn't make sense

Because he became President of South Africa After he was in prison None of it makes sense I didn't realize that Nevermind No, my When I last looked into it

I It was my Feeling That people were Theorizing That he had died Years Before

This couple of months Before on the Google trends Which is what He's talking about Yeah With the theories That people have That's wild

I don't know I mean It could be that there was Some dissident leader That died in prison Around that Some ANC figure Yeah

Yeah I don't care to Fully try and figure out What these people are Misremembering But they're Misremembering something Maybe they just wished

That Mandela was dead Don't Don't Apply such Universal negative So at this point Kevin I think is doing

A terrible job And Rightfully He starts to get A little bit self-conscious That people will think This is a soft ball interview Right, because he's shit at it

Look, you know Some of my friends If they were watching this They'd be like, Kevin You're being so soft On this interview It's like It's all

You come on, Kevin You know, are some really Difficult questions Or, you know But the thing is Well It's not my platform To do that

Do you know what I mean? What? You know, I mean This is what you're doing And whichever way This works out in the future It's a fun interview right now Yeah

Do I totally believe it? Well No But then again I've come across some Crazy stuff So I can't say no Totally

Yeah, do you know what I mean? It's like I've had a UFO experience I can't prove that to anybody Yep Me too You've had an experience Have you?

So this is just sloppy This dude is a fucking psychopath That is the crazy shit You know It's not my channel to do that No It's your channel Yeah

It's yours I don't You translate that to I don't feel like being Critical right now It's a bit of work And like you have a YouTube channel where

You have demonstrated The capability of getting Millions of hits Now maybe That's in sunnier days And you're not Maybe you're not Averaging a million hits

Or whatever I mean If you go to their channel They still have over A million subscribers So like Hey, man He realizes that there

Is a possibility of Some kind of advancement For his game That goes away If he starts being Hyper critical to him You know what's crazy I think I...

I think I'm channeling Somebody who Was a time traveler Right now Hold on Hold on I'm a time traveler I'm Mermaid mermaid mermaid merman

Nah Yeah It turns out it was The mermaid in that band It is his channel To do whatever he wishes To do with it And it's clear what he wants

To do with it Is not be critical It's not take any position That's of like What the fuck are you talking about Hey I watched this video Is this for children? Yeah

Are you just trying to Scam views off kids? Yes Oh Good It does feel like The type of interview where Those two dudes are like

Where about scamming You're making money I'm making money Eh You talk to weirdos Yeah You stealing people's money Yeah

Ha ha gotcha You run a psychic hotline Yeah Ah yeah And that impression Does not It's not helped You know you don't help

Disabuse yourself Of that perception In this next clip And I know Facebook is a Is a growing market For content creators For example I posted a video On there

Our first interview With Noah I posted on there With no No promotion whatsoever That video somehow got 6 million views Within like the first week Just on

Just on Facebook So I've been working a lot Trying to transcribe videos Because the vast majority of people Watch Facebook videos Watch them without sound So you're going to want captions On it and everything

But yeah I remember Noah mentioned That YouTube will exist And he's from the year 2030 But I never I've never asked anybody From farther into the future If YouTube will still exist Yeah it's amazing isn't it

You know just putting the videos Onto Facebook Just what they do And I should be experimenting With that a bit more actually Yeah yeah for sure Yeah because it's Yeah it's

But obviously there's I don't know there's a way To monetize them I think there is for some Yeah I don't know how that works You have to have an insane amount Of followers or likes

On your Facebook page To be able to monetize it And they only choose certain people But Yeah that's how it works And YouTube And yeah that's the main Attraction to YouTube

And I obviously like YouTube Way more than Facebook I think it's a way better platform Overall Oh do you They're having a little bit Of a business meeting about I am bananas crazy

You can't do this You can't do this This is I don't even know what this is It's showing the cards a little This is ridiculous Yeah oh you do put You know they put those

Videos out on Facebook I should mess with that That does seem like a really good way To drive traffic This is like two Spiritualist like fortune tellers In the 1920s in a god damn theater Telling everybody exactly

How they fucking lie to them Yeah I mean without the Admitting we're lying Right right right Yeah here's how you Game social media a little bit Hey this stuff works Oh and if you're going to do that

People watch them on mute Because they auto scroll by them Yeah yeah yeah You gotta have subtitles On there good good good stuff Oh man It's weird when you have like An hour to talk to a guy

Who knows time travelers And a significant amount of the time Is spent like talking shop Yeah about just being a YouTube video maker Yeah I mean I'm not going to Blow this out of proportion Because this is really true

If there was a real time traveler The world would fucking explode It is over Right and it seems like it's a Better use of time to discuss That stuff Yeah Over how to you know use

Social media Yeah It kind of feels like That is a tacit admission That what this guy does is Buzz as opposed to Yeah content Yeah so I know this guy

Who understands the collapse Of five dimensional space time And it's like How do I monetize this on First Walk Ah Yeah And again

That's fine for him If you know If that's what the game is I feel like Kevin Moore Would like to pretend That that's not what his game is Yeah But at the same time

It takes on a different feeling If you know It's not just a guy Who's like Hey here's a video Some guy sent me claiming To be a time traveler If he's involved in it

It takes on a different feeling For me I'm not sure why And I think that's important And this next clip Kind of bummed me out I deeply feel sorry for Noah Because I

We did a lie detector test with him And the lie detector said He was telling the truth On the When he said he was a time traveler And I If he's telling the truth or not

It's clear he's in a lot of It's clear he's very depressed He's in a lot of stress And I feel really bad for Well they're leaving their families behind aren't they Their families Their loved ones

You know You're not taking it serious Yeah He's taking it serious He is He took it serious See at this point though Like we haven't come out with the video saying

That this guy's lying Oh that's right That's in Okay That's in the future From when this video is recorded He's saying that This guy misses his family

Well that's the thing From the future That's the thing is like This guy, Apex Is coming around And being like Well if he's telling the truth You know

Whatever And if he's lying No matter what I feel bad for him Or whatever Right And then Kevin is the one Who comes in with the

Assuming that it's real Yeah They're separated from their families Yeah Well I mean You can't handle that Like I saw a time cop JCVD didn't love being away

From his love Or whatever it was This is not a critical look at anything man Like this is Kevin pretending To be doing an interview But honestly just kind of hoping For some easy clicks That he doesn't have to work too hard for

100% That's what's going on Yeah this is lazy Now it's also interesting That Apex feels sad for Noah Even if Noah is running a scam on him And making this whole thing up It's clear that Apex

That he's in a tough spot It's what an un-understanding person You know That's the kind of thing you hear And you just can't help but think That he wouldn't steer you wrong I'm just I just see him in such a bad spot

And if he's telling me the truth Or not I still want to exploit his story For a funny day or a game So you remember how I told you earlier That this guy Jason came out And admitted that he was lying And pretending to be Noah

The time traveler Yes And how that video was put out By Apex TV But also kind of felt weird Yeah There's a reason Why is that?

That video where Apex announces That Jason had lied to them And made it all up Was uploaded on July 23rd, 2019 Oh when Mandela died And the primary function of it Seemed to be to put all the responsibility For this scam on this guy Jason

He was the one who made the stuff up And Apex was just passing along His information for you To decide what you think about it Oh my god Is somebody getting sued? I mean really When you get right down to it

The fact that they put out that video Is clear proof that Apex is willing To own up to its own mistakes And that it will even expose themselves If they've stepped in it In a completely bizarre And almost certainly unrelated coincidence 10 days prior on July 13th

Another person named Dennis Bell Had posted a video where he revealed That he was Noah And he was sick of playing the character No fucking shit He was scared that people would discern His identity and dox him So he decided the best way to minimize

The threat was to address the issue head on According to Dennis When he was 14 years old He was a kid making comedy YouTube videos Posting them pretty much daily Through his channel he ended up Meeting Apex TV Who enlisted him to play the role

Of Noah He claimed that Apex pressured him To sign a non-disclosure agreement Which is kind of funny to think about Even if they ever took him to court To enforce the NDA The obvious question of why they have An NDA active with a 14 year old

Who looks a lot like their time traveler That would probably come up It's really only useful as an intimidation tactic Against a 14, 15 year old It's ridiculous Dennis alleges that he was paid by Apex And that when they recorded the videos Everyone was just laughing because of how stupid it was

It'll be really easy to just take this As a guy who's trying to get into the scam And involve himself Except that his video includes clips Of the original Apex TV videos Unedited Ooh, see now that one is really tough To talk your way around

Without his face blur Ooh, that one's really tough And without his voice change Does he look exactly like Jason And talk and sound exactly like Jason The video of Jason saying that he was Noah Does not look anything like the unedited versions That Dennis put out

But it does look a lot like him He includes clips that Apex didn't release initially That definitely indicate coaching One of the more damning ones Is probably a clip of Noah About to shake hands with his older self That begins with an off camera voice saying action It's kind of impossible for me to say

Like whether or not this Dennis guy Is 100% the kid in the original videos But they look very, very similar And have the same voice and mannerisms Personally, it looks to me a lot Like this kid is telling the truth And those receipts are pretty tough To explain otherwise

Although, like you could say Like, okay, he just shot recreation videos Of it I find that very unlikely Yeah, I'm gonna go with Noah But here's the thing I'm still not sure I care about this Is there a big difference

Between soliciting independently created videos Where people are pretending to be time travelers And creating videos yourself Where people pretend to be time travelers I'm not sure Exposure? I'm not sure In the first case, you're just posting

Bullshit and profiting off it And in the process, probably enabling Some mentally unwell people Down this road Encouraging them, validating this In the second case, you're perpetuating a fraud But it's also kind of in the realm of performance art On some level

I'm fine with it I guess, I don't really know I think the big issue is presentation The fact that the channel portrays itself As just reporting on things Like I was passing this along While they're in fact Apparently orchestrating those things themselves

I think that's intrinsically dishonest and manipulative It'd be kind of like if we created A right-wing talk show host To say things that we wanted them to say So that we could cover them It's kind of a betrayal of the format Of whatever you're doing Right

I mean I feel like this is an ethical question Yeah About what is already demonstrably Untrue Yeah And inethical I think from a very fundamental standpoint

It's a little bit of a gray area Case to me in some ways I know, but it seems like there's some It seems like what we're really dealing with Is an inethical actor In a game of poor ethics Yeah You know where it's like

You're too far in... I'm fine with your inethical way I would say it's an unethical actor Inside a game of absent ethics That's a good way of putting it Fucking around online Whatever like this Isn't intrinsically inethical

Or unethical Right It just is what it is You're not doing it right You're making me feel bad That's what it is I think that there are added considerations When the appearance is there

That you're actually running a hoax As opposed to it just being bullshit Yeah I don't know what the intrinsic difference is But I'm certain it's there I know I feel it I don't think Emmanuel Kant Ever had to deal with this exact question

And so this guy, Dennis He comes out with these claims That he's making And the video including the footage Of him Some of them are You could say are recreations A video of him standing

In front of a line of trees Saying something Where it's like it shows the pixelated version And then the un-pixelated version You could say Maybe he just went out and shot that The one that's really tough to get around Is the one of him meeting his older self

Because that matches the video That Apex TV put out And he put out the one with his face Un-blurred It definitely looks exactly like It's tough to get around And so he puts this out And then just a little bit later

Apex puts out their version With a guy claiming I'm Noah, I was lying I suspect that's why they put that video out Yeah, that would make the most sense It feels like damage control And it probably was Because it's not that big a deal

To the presentation of the channel If one of their sources turns out to be a liar No one's perfect And we're all going to fall for something At one point in our lives It's a much bigger deal for their presentation If the impression is that they're just creating Bullshade on their own

And passing it off as if it could be real It's the difference between naivety And trusting people and a hoax Being exposed as naive Might hurt your reputation a little But being a hoax Or really destroys any possibility Of future credibility

But again, I don't care that much But the idea that a 14-15 year old Was being put in this kind of position Makes me pretty uncomfortable How old is he now? When he made that video So I guess that's current, he's 16 Oh man

Yeah This still kind of falls under the heading Of this is what lame grifters on YouTube do It's kind of the Wild West Yeah, it's a good game Yeah, it's not that interesting to me Big picture It is interesting to me that Kevin Moore

Is interested in talking to this guy And even giving an ounce of this Could be real to him That indicates a complete inability Or unwillingness to critically engage With the subject he's covering And in fairness to him The stuff about Noah being fake

Hadn't come out by the time he made this video That we're listening to But the stuff about the Swedish insurance Commercial had There were plenty of red flags That would suggest that maybe this operation Isn't on the up and up Even by the almost non-existent standards

Of the paranormal YouTube community Kevin Moore is not a critical voice There's something else going on With his beef with Carrie and Mark Richards I'm not sure what it is But I need to figure it out I don't know if we'll ever be able To get to the bottom of it

But there's something rotten in Denmark Based on Sweden Based on No, there's nothing rotten there It's an insurance commercial And it's fantastic I think most insurance things are If there's one thing that we've learned

Or I've learned from listening to him Because we've listened to a couple of his videos As long as he has a personal connection He will let anything go Maybe Or better yet As long as he doesn't have a personal vendetta Or everything can go

Or if he has a reason to think That this could be an avenue for greater exposure That does also This behavior that he's doing here He doesn't know this guy He's not friends with him What it comes down to for me is I think that this episode

When I said that it's beneath us I think it's because this Apex TV shit Is super lame and real whack And the revelation of it being fake First of all is assumed And the fact that it's a hoax Is like, well, I kind of expect that And I don't know how much more unethical

It makes it than what it originally is I think the second hoax video is I think the hoax taking over the truth That's the part that I think is genuinely morally bad That's when we've crossed the gray area Into you guys know what you're doing And you're trying to steal this story You're creating a hoax to combat your own hoax

I definitely see that cover up Is worse than the crime situation There's definite ill intent behind that one I definitely don't think that it's not worth Considering the idea that if this Dennis guy is telling the truth Then what's going on is really inappropriate behavior With a minor

Oh, absolutely He talks about how uncomfortable he was As it went along And how he started to get harassing messages And people started to try and figure out who he was Who he was, yeah And so like putting a minor in that kind of a situation Is probably legally actionable

I don't know if it is, but it's definitely Not something that someone with good intent would do For sure, well, I mean if you want It's a line past which you should not venture What kind of guardianship do we have going on there Did the guardian sign shit? He does say that they asked his parents to sign an NDA as well Ooh, that's trouble then

But you gotta assume that like if you're a parent Even if you're a decent parent And like alright, I'm gonna be in a YouTube video It's acting You might not have any alarm bells go off at that Man, technology just moved too fast for parents You have no fucking clue I want to center this

That's such a like Man, when I was a kid All you had to worry about a 14 year old boy doing Was jerking off in the bathroom And now? Now Now he's creating space hoaxes? Time travel hoaxes, yeah

What? I want to refocus this Because like all that stuff is nebulous And I don't care ApexTV is not something that I care to be on my radar Right Except as a way with which we can see Kevin Moore more clearly Yeah, yeah, yeah

And that's really what I'm interested in I'm interested in this clear bullshit Yeah, yeah Being like entertained and like oh But it's not only that even Like Kevin Moore in much the same way Richard Belzer Was not a passive actor Yeah

On the day of the Boston bombing When he was a guest on Alex Jones' show He was a participant Kevin Moore is trying to become a little bit of a participant In this charade What if you stumbled across something here That's not what it seems to be But it's something else

Yeah, that, I don't know Like what would you say for example I don't know Well, it's What's that movie where the people become the host Of something else And it's Maybe 15 of them

The guest, is that the movie I'm thinking of? No, probably not I don't know, I haven't seen that one Okay, no, it's probably not that one But the idea that, you know Yeah, that people are taken over by someone else I had Elijah Wood in it For other reasons, but you know

That may just, you know And again, as you say It's possible, it's, yeah Yeah, it's possible, right I mean, I'm trying to, you know Yeah, make sense of this I can make sense of it Yeah

He's trying to imply, hey, maybe it's demons Maybe it's demons It's a mother-dimensional creature Hey, could be space little things That go in your ear Josh Hartnett was involved I guess meth kills him I'm not sure

Don't try and yes and this shit Like if you care about the credibility of your community Your space weirdo community You want to be like Hey, we're, you know, us channeling people We want to be, we demand to be taken seriously Yeah It kind of behooves you to not be like

Ah, maybe these folks are demons Right, right, right I think people are making this up No, no, no, it's very much like It's in its own way It's like if you're doing an interview On fucking Fox News And you answer one of the questions

And then you return it back with them And it's like, oh, well, how do you think It's possible for us to do this And then he just comes up with a The anchor comes up with a reason That your shit makes sense for you That's you fucking everybody over If you're participating

You're escalating Exactly Yeah You're enabling Absolutely In this next clip And deceiving Yeah, in this next clip, Apex is talking

About how people think that they're involved With the people that they feature in their videos Which they very well may be Apparently that's a criticism that they get And a spec, a theory that some people have I can't imagine why And so he addresses that And again, Kevin is enabling him

There's been a lot of misunderstanding though People thinking we're in on these videos And I'm planning on making a video soon Explaining to people Because I don't think people get that We're not affiliated with these people That we're interviewing And there's been a lot of people

Who don't really get it And I'm going to make a video soon Talking about how we don't know these people And just explain things Put things in more context Well, you can see how people would think that Because they'll think, well, these are friends of yours You know, these are people or actors

From other countries that you've paid And, you know There's makeup involved and everything else And, you know, you're not revealing yours You can understand why they're thinking like that Some people, but Well, I guess you're already thinking along those lines Of putting something out there

That's real wishy-washy I feel like I'm getting swift-boated right now That's real wishy-washy You can see how somebody would think that But You know, I think you've already got that one Under control That's such a, I got nothing

Yeah, I don't have the nerve to say It's clear that's what's coming You're full of shit The fact that you, like he does bring this up A couple times in this interview It does seem to indicate he's singularly focused With pushing back on that In the same way that when they put out their video

With Jason revealing that he had lied to them It was also to serve the purpose of, like We were the ones who were lied to We had nothing to do with it It seems like you push back on that Maybe it's because you're Self-conscious about the fact that you're doing that Right, right, right

That's kind of the vibe I get Yeah, it's part of your mystique that you're just passing these on And also part of your, like A layer of protection from criticism The moment you're involved in making them It's like, oh, you... Alright, guys, get out of here Get the fuck out of here

They're much easier to write off It's like if we actually had Stanley Kubrick Filming the moon landing Then we're all like, okay, get the fuck out of here, US government We don't need any of your shit now We know you're all lying I don't know if it extends that far I'm gonna go with it, dude

So we get to the end of this interview And we get to see that Kevin Moore Great judge of character You seem to be a really nice guy, right? Thanks, man, yeah, you too You know, you're just easy to speak to You know, you've got it all together And it's fun, right?

You're having a lot of fun right now Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that What? And this is pretty much, I would say From what I know, and I know very little That this is probably a full-time job doing You know, keeping this going Yeah, yeah

Making a lot of those bucks So, I mean, that's cool I don't begrudge anyone making a living Doing what they love to do Kevin, a lot of fun, but it's just lying Are people listening to... Are people watching this video? What do you mean?

I mean, people actually watch that video? The video of Kevin interviewing this guy? Yeah Not as many as watch the Time Traveler video Bro, bro, right But I mean, how could anybody watch that? That wasn't like trying to find out more About SEO and fucking viewers

Like, I don't know how this is a Non-business video at all This gets back to my point that I made This, which is like, I don't really care To attack this online, immersive Entertainment kind of thing too much Because I'm not fully convinced That most of the people taking in

The Time Traveler videos Actually think that it's real I agree So, I'm not super interested in... Like, the idea that someone would watch This video of Kevin talking to him And it somehow debunks the Time Traveler videos, because like

Hey, you guys, keep talking about Engagement a lot This is weird Right, right, right I don't feel like that's even a concern It's more about Kevin No, I agree I mean, more like, I don't understand

That Kevin has no idea what an What an entertaining interview is No Like no clue Which might explain his lack of Social media engagement So it's like An entertaining interview would be much more

Focused on hard-hitting questions About these Time Travelers Or even less hard-hitting questions About these Time Travelers More wild speculations And enjoying and having a fun time Like on Project Camelot Carrie's great skill as an interviewer

Is being wild along with everybody else Sure And getting crazy To an extent Not like being like Okay, Eddie Page What's your hit count On an average Twitter post

Right, right That would certainly be less entertaining That would be less entertaining Which isn't to say that Carrie is very Entertainment I'm not going to say that Um, so yeah I don't know

I'm going to skip this clip Because it's kind of sad It's just Kevin talking about how ApexTV has a team How can you trust them? I really hate him I'm not going to be like I have to work alone

I really hate Kevin I really hate him Like on a deep and abiding level He's a piece of shit I don't, I, yeah I mean, there is a piece of shitness to him I just can't get around it There is a real slipperiness

Yeah But I also think that there is just a He's not very good at this Right He wants to do this And I think he's dumb Yeah I think that there are those elements of it

Um, and a lot of it A lot of that could explain some of the stuff That comes off as slipperiness Yeah, yeah Evilness There could be a lot less evil intention That could be explained by incompetence And kind of being gullible and dumb

Sure, sure, sure, sure I don't know I think though Even with those qualities It's very clear there's also a Naked Capitalist behind all of this Scousen Uh, yeah, exactly

So, yeah, one last clip here And it's just how they sort of end things But listen, I really appreciate what you're doing I think it's fascinating stuff And, you know, Good on you for doing it That's what I'll say Good on you

Wow I appreciate what you're doing Good on you Also, I just hate peering and fucking talking And everything is like Uh Yeah, there is a lot of that Uh, good

Well, I mean, that's part of not preparing it all Yeah, that's fair If you have any questions That's fair I would say that that is a terrible showing Yeah The idea that he ends it with like I appreciate what you're doing

Good on you for what you're doing Good on you You said in this fucking interview That he talked to a guy who claimed to be a mermaid Yes And that some of the people who were time travelers Are clearly lying to him Good on you

I don't understand If you want to just be like We are doing a large scale Uh, immersive entertainment thing Yeah Where people lie to us And then we pass it off as truth I'm not all that mad at that

Yeah But Kevin's trying to not play that game Yeah So he shouldn't be taking somebody Who appears to be doing Like, larping Yeah Bullshit

I was just saying It's almost like a It's almost like they're larping a channel That should exist in an alternate universe You know what I'm saying? Yeah Like where this shit is true That's where they're larping at

It's unbecoming for Kevin to be this Uncritical Yeah Um, I Whatever judgment decide that I have For whatever Apex is doing I have strong judgment for Kevin Because like, you can't be

You can't do both You can't try and take down Mark Richards Because he's an affront to the community Right And appreciate and applaud What fake time travel Bullshit, clickbait, nonsense Yeah

Like you can't exist in both of those spaces It leads me to believe That something is insincere And based on everything else I have All the other information of Kevin Between his weirdo channeling videos Right Other videos that I've watched of his

Where he is woefully uncritical Of other people Yeah The anomaly is the being critical Of Mark Richards and Kerry Yeah And because we have a longstanding Interaction

Quote unquote With Project Camelot I feel like I'm the only person Who cares enough to try and figure this out So Jordan I would like to announce here and now I am going to make a documentary About Kevin Moore

I'm not going to do that You are absolutely right I'm not going to do that But I'm going to look into this You are Much further Because no one else cares You are the only person who is

Fucking Deep in the weeds enough To really get to the bottom of this feud And the only person who has Any kind of grasp on reality Right Because Kerry and her friends are too busy Trying to say that this guy is working

For the spider of leadership And the Illuminati Right That my friend is a non-starter Are you sure? That's okay Well talk to a time traveler Maybe he'll figure it out for us

I can't go down that road Okay That's not going to be good One try So this is something That I need to get to the bottom of I'm going to get into this I'm going to try and solve this mystery

Of why Kevin Moore cares so much About this Yeah I think the fun part of this is Far more than any kind of Proof of them lying Or like Kerry's bullshit about Space not being true

Getting to the bottom of this weird Personal or professional fight Between the two of them Has a far greater likelihood of Like puncturing their mystique Bubbles of space weirdness If you just go down to it and you're like Oh his mom hates her dad

Like they're stepdad So Montague's uncapulets Yeah exactly And you're like okay well then Fucking these two idiots What are we doing And that's real Yeah

Exactly It's reinvigorating my interest In things a little bit Because it actually is something That like maybe you could get to the Bottom of what the fuck's going on here I'm never going to be able to tell you Whether spider aliens are real or not

We can safely say There's no evidence for that But this is This does seem like something I could maybe dig into I do feel reinvigorated About the Project Camelot Slash Kevin Moore world

I do Not about the Project Camelot videos That content I'm still Very disinterested in Right Right But trying to get to Intrigued

I'm going to put on my goddamn Hercules Paro mustache Yeah Get to the bottom of this Yeah So that is something else I'll be engaging in behind the scenes I hope you all have enjoyed

This Halloween spectacular Nobody dressed like a mermaid One guy One guy I may have Was a mermaid Yeah I think somebody dressed up As a critical investigative journalist

Oh man His costume might as well Have just been all cardboard Moore should really try Channeling like Bertrand Russell Or something like that You know Should try and channel

Any person who asks A follow up question That would be good I'll even go with Dan rather Sure He's dead right I don't know When did Nelson Mandela die?

It was last week Remember it being last week Strange So we'll be back on Friday Jordan Indeed With a modern day Alex Jones episode

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