Knowledge Fight - #364: April 21-22, 2013

Episode Date: November 4, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan continue their path through 2013 to explore Alex Jones' coverage of the Boston Marathon bombing. In this installment, the manhunt for the suspect on the run has come to an end, but not without one last chaotic event involving a boat standoff. 

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So Jordan today, one of the things I wanted to do is also I feel like in the spirit of tying up loose ends. Yes. I've been taking care of business that's outside of just doing this show. Right. So one of the things was getting this tattoo squared away. Get it taken care of. Loose end.

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Incredible. Thank you very much. So Jordan today. What we're doing is we're going back to the past. We're in 2013. We will be talking about April 21st and 22nd. All right. 2013.

Okay. This is, of course, in the aftermath of the Boston bombing naturally and we will be sort of tracking the course of Alex's terrible coverage of this traumatic event. I think he's been doing okay so far. That's an interesting take directly counter to my position. Okay. It's been doing literally the worst possible. I think if you asked me, what could he be like?

What are what way could he ruin it further? Yeah. What do you got opposite of like what are like what what are the bright spots, right? I would have, I would look at you very confused. I don't know if there are any bright spots. So here we are. Jordan. Yes.

When we last left Alex in 2013, he was coming down from the high. He was writing when there was a complete absence of real information about the investigation into the Boston bombing and he was free to create his own narrative wholesale. After the Watertown shootout on the night of April 18th into the morning of April 19th, which left Tamerlan dead and his brother, Johar armed it on the loose, Alex's show on the 19th was a completely bizarre affair. Up to that point, he'd been insisting that the globalists had planned to blame a white patsy he'd discovered by looking at pictures that he found on 4chan.

But because Alex released those photos, the globalists were forced to change their plans. Then after the FBI released the images of the Sarniv brothers, Alex pivoted the narrative, since all the stuff he'd been yelling about for days is literally no relation to anything happening in the real world. Now the globalist plan all along had been to blame the imaginary Navy seals. Alex also decided we're there at the marathon based on his analysis again of pictures he found on 4chan and since Alex also somehow blew up that plan that the globalists had they were putting Boston into a state of martial law so they could go around and kill all the

patsies who were in the pictures that again Alex found on 4chan. So they could do these people that they were cleaning up couldn't reveal that it was all the drill. Yes all of this has been confirmed as true so far. And that was what he was selling on the 19th. And magically just like that Alex has created a preemptive excuse for why no one has ever come out and confirmed his dumb theories. The globalists took them all out.

As we've discussed already those men in the pictures that Alex found on 4chan that he thinks are seals are actually members of a couple of different states National Guard civil support teams who are on scene at all large scale public events ranging from one of the largest marathons in the world all the way down to just MLB games. If you wanted to put the effort in well MLB games are at the bottom of this list. It's smaller scale maybe than the Boston marathon. All right. I don't mean to insult your just being a dick.

If you wanted to put the effort in you could almost certainly figure out who these people are and find evidence of them still being alive and working with their CSTs. I'm not saying that I did that but I am saying that if I did I would still respect their privacy and never discuss their personal details on this show. On this show on the 19th Alex seems to have a keen awareness that his normal incitement laden behavior may be way too dangerous to engage in while the city is in the middle of a large scale manhunt. That's not the time to call on citizens to rise up because it's the time when it's

most likely to be taken seriously by the most unhinged of his listeners. Alex took a very strange approach and barely even talked about Boston being in a shelter in place request about how an MIT police officer had been murdered the night before about how there had been a shootout in a residential neighborhood. If you didn't know that these things were happening you would not learn about them by listening to that day's info wars episode. I can tell you that very confidently. You'd learn about how Stuart Rhodes is a baby about permits and how Larry Pratt hates

Muslims. That's about what you'd learn better for everybody I guess so the 20th is a Saturday. So now Alex has no show on Saturday. Alex returns on Sunday the 21st and by that point the situation is largely resolved to get us up to speed on what's happened here we go. In the very early morning of the 19th Governor Deval Patrick put out a shelter in place request asking the people to stay indoors to help police better carry out their manhunt. At no point is this a demand and it's not enforced by any coercion nor any force.

Mass transit is temporarily suspended in the city and Massachusetts National Guard is called in to assist police in carrying out door-to-door searches in targeted areas. As the day drags on though the authorities keep coming up empty. At 2pm that evening's Red Sox game is cancelled and by 4.30pm the command center is starting to wonder if there's any point in maintaining this shelter in place request. They've done their sweep and they haven't found Johar and they're beginning to fear that he's escaped the perimeter. At 5.30pm service resumes on mass transit and at 6.25pm the shelter in place request

is lifted. 17 minutes later at 6.42pm the police get a 911 call from someone who lived at 67 Franklin Street telling them that there is a bleeding man hiding in his boat which is parked out in his yard. Gotcha. He'd not noticed that his boat had seemed to have been tampered with previously because he'd stayed indoors honoring the shelter in place request. After the request had been lifted he went outside to get some air and he noticed that

things weren't right. He looked under the tarp and saw a person inside. Police immediately jump into action and they form a new perimeter around this address. At 6.54pm police fire on the boat but they're quickly told to cease fire. The officer who shot at the boat did not have proper authorization but he saw motion and as the suspect was thought to be armed and known to be willing to fire at police the last time they encountered him he made a very bad assumption that he was about to be fired on and then there was that sort of phenomenon of contagious fire.

Police just hear someone shooting and they assume there's a reason to be right which again goes back to one of the main points of the police after action report which is we need better weapons discipline. No it's a it's a common fucking joke in so many things where some some guy will fire off his machine gun and then 30 guys go off and then the commander is like Jesus Christ what are you guys doing and they're like this guy over here I don't know yeah there's that phenomenon was in play yeah almost an hour later the police deploy flashbangs but they're ineffective in getting the suspect to leave the boat negotiators came in to try and convince

them to surrender and that strategy is pretty ineffective as well I really want to I really want to caution everybody maybe we should start with negotiator and then go to flashbang you know the order of those should be reversed right that's it that's it angle that I think you can take and I would it like be interested if that was Alex's perspective but he doesn't seem he doesn't seem interested with that one I am not positive even if you look at all of it that someone didn't like try and get him out of the boat no for sure flash bang sure sure sure but bringing in like the professional negotiators might have been a little later one thing it's nice to know is that in the rock paper scissors game boat

beats flashbang that's nice not always nice to know not always so ultimately joe hard does leave the boat at 841 p.m. and surrenders to the police the nightmare the city's been living in for about four days has come to an end four people are dead and one is suffered injuries that will lead to his eventual death and hundreds are injured callous people's lives have been changed in ways that would be impossible to quantify in numbers but at very least the suspects are dead or in custody and the people of Boston can breathe easily and begin the difficult process of rebuilding and healing but that can also wait until the morning that night people flooded the streets in celebration more or less forming flash

mobs to decompress and release their tension college students got drunk and yelled USA and large groups more adult Bostonians gathered to applaud and thank the law enforcement officers for putting themselves on the line to catch the culprit watching the footage now even six years later later the feeling of unity in that catharsis is palpable by the time Alex gets on air the afternoon of April 21st the chaos is over the manhunt is complete the temporary deployment of the Massachusetts National Guard has come to an end the city of Boston had already announced a memorial to the victims and survivors planned to be placed in Copley Square the suspects are no longer on the run and the details of the

actual investigation that took place over the preceding six days are starting to become public the cement has dried but Alex has managed to make a hellacious dent in the surface in the meantime as we jump back in here we will see Alex entering the next phase of his conspiracy building operation when there was no information available he knows that he needs to lay the groundwork for his narrative he does this by immediately insisting the event is a false flag displaying a confident knee jerk defiance that draws people in who mistake that confidence as being based in some kind of a wisdom or rebelliousness as any information has come out he's worked to integrate it into his narrative and that's important in this stage that we've

been looking at so far he doesn't adapt his narrative to match reality he distorts reality to conform to his narrative that family guy episode was actually about a tea party guy who joins the Taliban that's shifting reality to match his narrative CNN announced that the arrested been made not because they got bad information but because they were scared of Alex's coverage of the pictures he found on 4chan the courthouse in Boston was evacuated not because of a bomb scare but because Alex blew up their plan so they had to switch out their patsy's everything that Alex has been doing serves to use his overarching explanation that this was a false flag that the globalists are now trying to cover up to make sense of

everything that happens that might seem confusing because of the absence of information it's the rhetorical equivalent of a miracle pill that cures everything that he's trying to sell yeah one weird trick for propaganda right yeah now that the suspects are in custody or dead Alex has to change to the next stage of conspiracy building which is discrediting every piece of information that comes out about the official suspects and the story surrounding their crime and arrest this is still somewhat aimed at distorting reality to fit his narrative but it also has a necessary it necessarily involves the opposite as well there will be elements of reality that he just can't pretend aren't real so in order to keep this going he does have to

fine tune his narrative along the way there's a little bit of this in the shift to saying that they'd plan to blame the seals all along that's an attempt to jettison the white patsy narrative as being relevant to the conversation at all because it's not that's him shifting his narrative in order to better suit the facts that are coming out yeah there there are two elements of what Alex is doing that I find morally repugnant that I'd like to just say up front the first is that that this what what this is doing is specifically in service of creating an alternative alternative reality that Alex then makes money off of it's profoundly disrespectful to the victims and survivors of the attack as well as the larger community of Boston he's taking their pain and

anxiety and trying to turn it into profit which is abhorrent the other thing is that if Alex has his way he's trying to get Johar Zarnev off the hook for the bombing now in 2019 it's very easy for me to say that I have literally zero doubt about Johar's guilt it's been very well substantiated both by hard evidence circumstantial evidence and his uncoerced confession and apology there is a concrete reality here and it's that Johar and Tamerlin Zarnev committed this bombing Alex is working as hard as he can to create a reality where either they didn't do it or they did it because the government was using them as patsies which serves to shift culpability more than a little bit in a very concrete and real sense Alex Jones right now as we're looking at him in 2013 is making

money by doing damage control for terrorists sometimes it's easy to lose sight of that you say that like it's a bad thing you say that with all this judgment it's it's easy to lose sight of that sometimes so I just wanted to start off this episode by bringing a sharp focus to that yeah and in this first clip we start to see like that he is making a bunch more money off this well ladies and gentlemen info wars calm in this radio show my entire team has an incredible responsibility now more than ever the traffic on the site is quite frankly scary tens of millions a day pouring into info wars calm alone right now instead of a million a day or so as is normally there so quite a responsibility quite a responsibility yeah we'll see how that plays out you know

a little bit greater careful this or attention to detail well yeah now that his responsibility is increased he is going to you know increase his acting responsible with great responsibility comes great profit yeah yeah exactly I mean his traffic is up ten times so like he's gotten to that point by sort of mirroring amplifying bullshit on the internet and sensationalizing and lying about an ongoing tragedy so why not keep that up yeah you've market tested this now it works it's it's just that it's that thing where it's like you see that glitch in humanity and you're like fucking what are we doing here the idea that in the absence of real information alex jones makes ten times as much money great great humanity we're doing good stuff just to be fair it's not concrete that it's ten

times as much money I'm not definitely could be yeah yeah yeah so alex now gets to since we're on the 21st all of the stuff has happened already so alex knows the main beats yeah of the the resolution of the manhunt all of this right and so he gets to talking about uh joe har getting uh taken in by the police and him coming out of the boat uh the younger uh czar nav brother it climbs out of the boat and minutes later is the trick and a tracheotomy and and can't talk and is now in critical condition dead men tell no tales and now it's in the news they're drugging him because the hospital staff aren't on the globalist payroll they need to keep him drugged until they say he's okay and then he's going to be taken to a black site and he'll be given I mean you can give people

amnesiac drugs that were easy to get with his prescription where they'll do whatever you want you can say walk off this cliff and if somebody four or five halcyon they will so none of that ended up happening uh so that's cool who has who has prescription privileges for amnesia pills for halcyon yeah everyone who's which doctors get that is I assume there's a special you know james bond as a license to kill every globalist as a license for halcyon okay all right fair enough every single time there's some high profile event alex immediately says the person who's arrested for it is going to be drugged up usually on halcyon it's a very important piece of his strategy because as long as he insistently argues that arrested terrorists are drugged up it doesn't matter

if they confess to their crimes no matter uh no no piece of actual evidence that they're guilty can penetrate this conspiracy theory at that point anything the police say is just a cover up with the false flag anything the perpetrator says is just the result of them being drugged by the globalist to cover up the false flag it's basically an insurance policy for his narrative that he needs to invoke whenever a suspect is not killed during the arrest leave aside for a moment that when someone who's suffering from a mental illness is incarcerated it would be profoundly inhuman to not give them appropriate care including appropriate psych evaluations if needed and uh also if needed medication where alex is brainwashing and evil drugging the reality is generally just

getting psychotic people on anti psychotic medication so they can ethically be put on trial yeah yeah it is it is just inhuman to watch somebody with a very serious mental illness spew their nonsense into the fucking ether sphere like if you're in his family or married to him or work at the same place that he does if you just if you keep a man from getting the medication that he needs to to live a full rich healthy life you know i think that's where we're getting into trouble it's inhuman it's rough it's very troublesome so this tracheotomy argument that alex is making was all the rage in conspiracy communities in the days after this arrest and guess what it largely traces back to an article that alex posted on info wars the basic gist of this conspiracy is that

after joe har had surrendered the police gave him a throat injury so he couldn't speak and thus not blow the whistle about how he was being set up of course this theory doesn't take into account how he was still perfectly able to write as he did as he was being questioned immediately by law enforcement when he was in the hospital in october 2018 court filings were made public that included 79 pages that joe har had made and written while he was being questioned by the police on notebook paper he wrote lawyer and quote listen buddy i know my rights no one is at risk no bombs no one will die he asked the police uh quote is my brother alive a number of times in a moment where he seems to be acknowledging his own guilt he says quote we're at war my friend when he's discussing

the u.s military presence in iraq and afghanistan yeah he even says quote america is at war is it not i did what is necessary my people are dying other notes seem to be clearly indicating that he's telling the police that this was a conspiracy of two quote no one else was involved quote only he knew quote my brother and i quote we told no one he pleads for them not to arrest tamerlan's wife who he swears had no idea what they were planning whatever would have been achieved by alex's conspiracy theory of the police injuring joe har's neck would not have mattered at all it's not like he was scheduled to do a press tour right after getting arrested and now couldn't because he couldn't talk he ultimately might not have been able to speak but he was perfectly able

to communicate and he did a bunch also he was able to speak again by april 22nd when he had his first preliminary hearing which is in stark opposition to alex's narrative which is that joe har may never be able to speak again right right right right in his trial in 2015 joe har took the stand and said the following quote immediately after the bombing which i am guilty of if there's any lingering doubt about that let there be no more i did it i did do it way to make it hard dude i did do it stick up for yourself a little most of his trial was about how tamerlan was more guilty yeah i did it along with my brother i learned of some of the victims i learned their names their faces their age and throughout this trial more of those victims were given names more of

those victims had faces and they had burdened souls now all those who got up on that witness stand and that podium related to us to me i was listening the suffering that was and the hardship that still is with strength and with patience and with dignity now a law says in the quran that no soul is burdened with more than it can bear and you told us just how unbearable it was how horrendous it was this thing i put you through and i know that you kept that much i know that there isn't enough time in the day for you to have related to us everything i also wish far more people had a chance to get up there but i took them from you now i'm sorry for the lives i've taken for the suffering that i've caused you for the damage that i've done irreparable damage i ask a law to

have mercy upon me and my brother and my family i ask a law to bestow his mercy upon those present here today and a law knows best with best those deserving of his mercy he may have pled not guilty initially but his defense never really even tried to say that he didn't do the bombing anyway about that neck injury when police apprehended joe har he was pretty banged up he'd been in a shootout with the police the night before and then was inside that boat when officers were shooting at it not to mention the flashbangs in the process of that he suffered some serious injuries according to the trauma search and who attended to him when he arrived at the hospital dr steven ray odum quote he has multiple gunshot wounds the most severe of which appears to have entered through the left

side of his mouth and exited the left face lower face this was initially thought to be a self-inflicted wound a botched attempted suicide uh but he didn't have a gun in the boat so the more likely explanation is that a stray shot happened and it was remarkable that he survived dr odum said that the injury caused damage to his pharynx which was treated in the hospital including the help of a trach tube that was done at the hospital not on scene no one would do that right right right outside the boat it wasn't uh it wasn't like the the helpful doctor on a plane who's like get me a pen and stabs the guy in the throat and he's like he can breathe no alex's conspiracy hinges on two photos from the scene of the apprehension one shows joe har standing

approaching the police surrendering the other shows medics attending to him with his neck appearing to be wrapped in gauze according to alex the first picture shows no wound and the second picture is of them treating a wound therefore the police must have caused the wound to silence joe har in reality the first picture of joe har standing is very poorly lit the entire left side of his neck is completely in shadows other photos from the same release of images show joe har in much better lighting and that side of his face is almost completely covered in blood the one image where the left side of his face is obscured by shadows makes things look pretty suspicious but if you look at all available images that argument falls apart very quickly i like the

idea of a person who is willing to accept two images as yeah all the proof you need yeah call call it a day guys let's wrap it up i got two pictures good enough that's all i need many conspiracy theorists use that second photo of him with his neck wrapped in gauze as proof that the police were putting a tube into joe har's throat at the scene to silence him and that's absurd since the image just shows police using an assisted breathing mask which is non-invasive everything that's provided as being suspicious here is exactly what you would expect to see if police encountered a suspect with a wound that was potentially impairing their breathing they were performing first aid right um none of this is real at all it's based on out of context and

sort of manipulative photos like the the fact that they point so strongly to the one with his face in shadows as like you won't see any wound of course you can't see half of his face right so anyway if you if you dump a bunch of photos uh you don't there should be a law that you don't get to just pick two no you have to use all of them if you dump a bunch of photos then somebody if somebody just uses two and draws a conclusion it's like no no that's a fine yeah find you got yeah that's a good indication they might not be on the other yeah yeah yeah so that's one of his big ways to attack the story that they put a tube in his neck to try and silence him immediately that's part of the new strategy the new manifestation of the conspiracy building so now they've killed all

of the patsies except for their final patsy who they didn't succeed in killing well they wanted to kill him but right the shelter in place order was rescinded right the media was able to get there on they couldn't kill him alex will articulate this later in the of course of course that's his theory right theory is very generous way yeah it's his theory so this is this is fun this part's fun this this next clip is actually like like a a lot of these are just dumb stupid and probably dangerous lies blasphemous at least yes this one is kind of fun again thank you so much for joining us uh where should i start today where should i start i i think i should start with this article out of the hollywood reporter again alex jones here your host thank you for joining us today

fcc blesses redsox player f bomb he spoke from the heart video so normally there'd be a giant fine on the uh network that aired it and and then that would be passed on by the players uh union and and the league to david ortiz emotional finway park speech included the line this is our effing sitting but the government the fcc is deciding that's okay now now now quite frankly i think it is okay but you cannot then so we're done anybody else for cussing during a family program like baseball as american is baseball and apple pie do you have a f this over apple pie and baseball do you do that at grandma's house no you go to a bar and talk like that or you do that on sailing ships okay if you're in savi sailing and again i'm not obsessed over people cussing but i'm sick

of selective enforcement so in their first number one story out of boston april 21st let's get this one let's get the number one story out of the way and then we'll get to page two news whatever that may be right and this is how he like this is such a good indication of him taking like these boutique kind of like trivial issues yeah and trying to make them super important when it's like hey the boston bombing is resolved yeah but hold on david ortiz gets to say fucking i don't i gotta bleep it or i spent 500 bucks or whatever what about janet jackson's nipple where are we on that dan so in their first game back at fenway park the red sox were set to play the kansas city royals on april 20th 2013 before the game it felt appropriate to address the crowd because they had to cancel

the day days before and the city was in this state right and as david ortiz is something of an elder statesman on the team he was asked to say a few words he thanked the governor and the police then said quote this is our fucking city and nobody is going to dictate our freedom stay strong queue to the crowd going completely not yeah yeah yeah everybody love it i hate i hate that kind of shit i have no civic pride but i would be there being like fuck yeah yeah this is a city that had just been terrorized yeah yeah no no you get you get that one that one's on you man big poppy didn't get in trouble for this even though his comments were broadcast on live tv in fact the head of the fcc julius jenekowski tweeted out quote david ortiz spoke from the heart today at the

red sox game fuck yeah i stand with big poppy and the people of boss of course god can you imagine if the fcc really tried to enforce that by the entire united states heard that no matter how much you hate bad language they heard that without fuck yeah yeah and that's like by like my position on is who gives a shit yeah come on so there are some very good reasons beyond just the horrible optics of like trying to find david ortiz for that that would be that they decided not to find him one of them is that the game was being broadcast on cable which is outside the jurisdiction of the fcc the game was also airing on the radio though so they could have hit him with a fine for that but there's another element to this story that's important previous to the bombing julius jenekowski

had put in his resignation as the head of the fcc all right he was on he was on his way out the door he said dude on his way out the door fuck yes so he had zero interest in punishing someone for a passionate expression of solidarity in the aftermath of a tragedy man i put him by two weeks do you get to say fuck whenever you fucking want yeah and it's and it's the sort of thing where it's like okay so someone new is going to take over the fcc in like a month or like you want to go back and do that yeah yeah you have fun you have fun i'm not going to do this no so bleacher report did an oral history of the speech or ortiz gave and here's what jenekowski said quote i knew that there would be people who saw that he'd use the f word on the airwaves and would

ask me oh is that a violation of the fcc rule and is the fcc going to punish that that's an editorial tone of voice but my first thought was no fucking way we're going to punish this in the same oral history david ortiz says what he remembers the head of the fcc telling him yeah quote it was like look you said something that got this city moving forward it took the fear out of people you have no idea what you just said that's going to be in the history of new england forever it was right when we needed it don't worry we needed that f bomb yeah you know what he also said my last act is not going to be the guy who find david ortiz for saying fuck yeah after we caught the boston bomber yeah that's not how i'm going down in history now after days of being

on edge a terrifying 24 hours of on this uncertain manhunt the city was allowed to breathe a collective sigh of relief relief is good and what david ortiz did is hit a pressure release button providing a rally and cry and no one not even the censorious fcc couldn't see that this moment was important for so many people yeah equal measures of rebelliousness and reassurance it was perfect big poppy would end up hitting a grand slam to tie game to the alc championships and keep boston's playoff playoff hopes alive that year ultimately leading them to win the world series with ortiz taking home the honors of world series mvp it's really the stuff of fairy tales and anyone who can't appreciate the 2013 red socks is either a complete monster or just a diehard yankees fan

yeah well and they're still salty about not winning the world series in 2001 after yeah yeah yeah god that would be that's the only damn the diamond backs george w could have done one thing in his presidency and that's the day after 9 11 come out and been like fuck you terrorist i would have been like well at least we got one on the board and said it was shit all of all from start to finish well i mean you just imagine a scenario where like i don't know a month after 9 11 you got a rod was he on the yankees at that point yes a no a rod wasn't on the yankees in 2000 jeter jeter was jeter comes out jeter comes out this is our fucking city yeah i don't think anyone's going to be mad about that there you know i understand the idea of selective enforcement

being bad but you also got to understand come on yeah come on come on come on man grow up yeah yeah it's ridiculous come on man um so alex is pretty much he's like i'm not anti profanity but i'm not a person that uses a lot of profanity unless i slam my my hand in a door or something then you will hear some or i just get mad yeah a lot all the time whenever i get mad but it's a family show yeah piss so alex thinks that this selective enforcement of finding derrick up there jeter david or t is tyranny because any kind of selective enforcement is tyranny again this is the essence of tyranny is when things are selectively enforced we have a county district attorney now the film's been released of her restrained drunk spitting on people

driving down the wrong side of the road we had the democratic party here in austin texas says she will stay in office and she is above the law she had right at three times right right below three times the legal limit and again if i drink two beers and drive home they'll take me to jail i empathize with what alex is saying about selective enforcement but i also think that there's room for understanding extenuating circumstances if the excuse was just david or t's was emotional like alex is trying to present um you know like is if he had just hit a game winning home run then i think that excuse is a little bit soft given that he was just asked to speak before the first red sox game back after the city was terrorized by bombers i think it's

probably okay to enforce obscenity laws a little selectively in that case and again my advice to alex is grow up yeah the only thing you don't get to say is man i wish that bomber was still free like you don't get to say that one after other than that you're doing all right you can do anything about it no see that's a that's a bigger issue now about this austin district attorney alex is talking about a woman named rosemary lemburg who was arrested for drunk driving on april 12th after her car veered into a bike lane then into oncoming traffic allegedly the officer who pulled her over saw an open vodka bottle in the passenger seat so this was what you call an open and shut case according to an article in the austin chronicle the officer wrote in his effa david that she was

quote cooperative and polite which seems counter to alex's characterization the day after her arrest she wrote letters to the county attorney and the court uh and said that she would plead guilty and that she expected no leniency according to a later chronicle article she was sentenced to 45 days in jail and lost her license for 180 days she also had to pay a four thousand dollar fine which is the highest fine allowable for a dwi she was charged with that form of dwi the strictness of the punishment is particularly notable since this is a first offense like it's very harsh punishment for a first offense it's kind of uncommon if you don't kill somebody or hurt somebody right to get any jail time for a first offense to ui this was a this was like a statement nobody is above the law

and she kind of asked for it yeah yeah because she recognized that it would send a bad message we have to make this all look it's like it's above board we have to do the whole thing and it's my fault yeah the democrats never said that she was above the law and neither did she they just felt that a dwi isn't necessarily something that you should get thrown out of office for particularly when you take responsibility for your actions all the details alex is rattling off particularly her spitting on people is not substantiated video from lemburg's arrest has been released and i won't lie it's not a good look but it's not too different from how just about anybody would be after getting arrested for a dwi she's trying to talk her way out of it and being a

little bit rude to the police but it's not that crazy right right i i would imagine a lot of people would look way worse uh if you had video of them getting arrested and still kind of drunk alex is using allegations that were put out against lemburg by her gop enemies who were trying to use her d o dwi as a way to get her out of office then governor rick perry would try to use the dwi to try to get her to step down threatening that if she didn't he would defund her office she refused uh he defunded her office and then perry got indicted by a grand jury for trying to coerce a public official to resign wait are you saying that you can't do that because that that sequence of events sounds like something that is enshrined in our constitution

you should be able to dishonestly and in bad faith pressure somebody into doing what you want in a public office now i don't understand how that's an issue dan perry fought the indictment and after he ended up leaving office all charges against him were dismissed in some sort of a deal anyway this whole thing is a big two-sided mess on one side you had a d a who got caught dunk driving lashed out a little bit then apologized and submitted herself to the process of making things right it's always wrong to drive drunk but if you do and learn your lesson it's the best possible outcome sure uh short of not doing it ever on the other hand you had a concerted effort to blow the dwi out of proportion and use it as a political weapon to get a democrat out of office

we see which side alex is on yeah he's just towing the gop line uh trying to get a democrat d a out of office you know it's not that i i don't want to say that it's blowing the event itself out of proportion i think uh d y is or d wi is a very very serious i agree i agree and so i'm not saying that they're like i don't think they're blowing it out of proportion i think they're using it in a disingenuous and dishonest manner i think we're saying you know same things yeah but i i agree maybe your phrasing is better yeah i just don't like that like blowing oh it's just a d y you know like that kind of feeling you know what i'm saying i'm trying to minimize right right right i i know you're i know you're right i think it's just cleaning cleaning that fair enough yeah so forbs

apparently has written an article about alex chair and he's not happy about it uh they don't like his conspiracies i don't know why forbs says we don't care what evidence you have of other groups being involved americans love a win it's like man our team beat the muslim team beat the al qaeda team our our team one you killed three people including an eight year old boy and you know what our police went in there and set up marshal law and that's what we like the whole city lockdown door to door searches which actually kept the population from finding the guy and then after the prison lockdown happened marshal law that's what it is i don't come out of your house or we'll shoot you a citizen found one of the guys hiding in a boat under a tarp important point at

no point was there an understanding that if you come out of your house you'll be shot no that is absurd that it's a it was a voluntary shelter in place request that most people honored because they believed like okay yeah i understand yeah or like if you work some job you don't want to go into perfect excuse to take the hell yeah so hell yeah and that's minimizing it a little bit yeah but but like most people we are humans okay what was it like a year later they did the poll and the reference on our last episode there was 83 percent yeah still supported the behaviors a year after the fact you know that's that's a trend that's like a casualty that you don't often think about with alex but it's like he just can't be happy he can't be happy they caught the

terrorist yeah and he can't be happy they did because it because even catching it is proof that we're there's still more work for us to do or they're still lying to us or all that he can't just be like fuck yeah we got him there is no win except the imaginary win over imaginary enemies that will never come ever yeah so he said in that last clip that this is marshal law and he says some more about that here the quote lockdown that's what marshal law is don't come out of your house or will bust a cap in your butt that's what it is it was just a giant ridiculous exercise in planting the flag on the republic violating posse commentatus all of it and the system says hey america you had your big win so the baseball player he can cuss in front of millions of little kids watching

of course if your kid repeats that in school he'll be suspended or expelled or in some cases arrested but that's okay that's okay so what happened in april on april 19th in boston has all the optics necessary for alex to call it marshal law but it fails in some very important points that he does not care to recognize the first is as i've mentioned all the law enforcement actions the door to door searching the dragnets the shelter in place requests were done by the state government through appropriate channels all of alex's marshal law fears involve the federal government and specifically fema the situation doesn't match any of his tyranny fantasies at all the second important aspect is this was a very temporary thing alex always talks about marshal law coming in and staying in

place it's not just a couple hours when an armed guy who's already killed a cop and bombed a marathon is on the loose in a known area for the situation to match alex's paranoid fantasies they would need to have not caught joe har and kept the city and marshal law in a state of fear that's not what happened here finally most basically and most importantly this was not marshal law this is important to point out because the way alex uses that term so flippantly leads to it losing any meaning but marshal law is a real thing and it has defining characteristics so let's discuss a few of them the first is suspension of civil rights this did not happen in boston in the aftermath of the bombings no one's rights under the constitution or bill of rights were suspended

habeas corpus was still in play they did re segregate the schools during that lockdown though that was a really weird did not there's a really weird day they brought back prohibition and got rid of it again and then brought it back a second time for fun the second characteristic is military control of civilian governance this did not happen in boston massachusetts national guard were allowed to partake in policing activities at the order of the governor which is completely constitutional and they were not in charge of normally civilian governmental roles the chain of command and governmental structure remained unchanged from how things were on april 14th before the bombing the third feature is civilians being tried in military tribunals this did not happen in boston

there are plenty of examples from history of actual marshal law and what happened looks nothing like that and here's the thing that alex will never address that's the most crucial thing like i said no one had to stay inside their homes there's merely a request the governor made there's no punishment they would face if they left their homes there's a bunch of pictures you can find the the people have posted of that day highlighting the eerie emptiness of the city but if you look at those pictures they all almost all of them have people walking around in them there the shelter in place was entirely voluntary most people felt that it made sense to stay inside this is nonsense yeah most people would have stayed inside alex is felicia you could have just said we're doing a

city wide man hunt most of the city would have been like cool i'm gonna say i'm gonna hey there's some cartoons on this like categorically what he what happened in boston is nothing close to marshal law and the way alex uses that term cheapens the reality that marshal law is a real thing and it's a fucking scary prospect in 2019 there are literally people calling for things that are characteristics of marshal law and they're all trump supporters yeah yeah so i i just like the reason that i think this is important to like look at some of these defining characteristics of marshal law is alex's brand is mr marshal law yeah and the way he uses that term is so not correct well they deserve it deserves a little bit of a focus i mean the the the secretary of defense did appoint lieutenant

colonel concave to be comptroller of boston so there is a little bit of a military junta there are examples from american history like even in the aftermath of the chicago fire like that that was actual marshal law yeah military took over the city that's crazy um and sure that sometimes it's not done in a way that's to oppress the citizens right right right but it looks nothing like what out what happened at boston alex is just trying to score cheap points yeah i there's there's no way that you could it's one of those things where you can throw around oh this is marshal law all you want but living through it is like probably not living through it no so alex has decided of course that there was a drill going on at the marathon which he has failed to really

establish in any meaningful way right and one of the ways that he like he uses that to prove that this was a false flag because these other times in the past when there have been drills there was also a false flag right one of the ones that he brings up that we haven't really discussed in detail is the seven seven bombing and alex discusses how that was a drill in this next clip and then i'm very excited to explain to you what he's actually talking about okay and how full of shit this guy is chair expert london bombings mastermind is mi6 asset oh oh a saudi arabian a swat from a big powerful family handled the supposed bombers who thought they were part of a drill that's fox news ap roiders london telegraph from 2005 see it's i know what i'm looking for

because i've seen it about a thousand times i cannot stress this enough alex thinks that everything is a drill every major event in the world is orchestrated by the globalists who then take these drills and make them go live in order to cause chaos and push their agenda every single one of them in the case of the boston bombing alex has been making frequent references to the seven seven bombings in london and how there was a drill that same day as a way to strengthen his argument that the boston bombing was a false flag as proven by the drill they were having that day as we've discussed on the april 15th episode there's no evidence that there was any kind of a drill happening at the marathon but there's some indications that there was a crowd desensitization

exercise happening for police dogs alex has taken that and turned it into there being a bombing drill going on with literally no evidence except a couple pictures he found on four chain i'd waited a while to discuss this seven seven stuff because there were more pressing issues but now i feel like it's a real good time to touch on this issue and have full of shit alex is on july 7th 2005 four terrorists detonated bombs three of them in the underground trains and a fourth on a double decker bus killing 52 people it was a horrible attack that deeply traumatized the city of london that same day after the bombings a man named peter power who ran a company called visor consultants went on bbc and said that he'd been working on a drill

that involved simultaneous bombings at the same stations that the attacks had taken place at from that alex and paul joseph watson began spinning a conspiracy that what happened is that these drills were being carried out by this consulting firm and the globalist of course and in the middle of the event things went hot and the bombing turned real they were the the leaders on this theory and were largely responsible for its dissemination and they did literally zero fact checking or research at all alex's article on the supposed drill says that they were quote running a 1000 person strong exercise which drilled the london underground being bombed at the exact same locations at the exact same times as happened in real life this is obviously meant to tell the

reader that there were a thousand people involved in this drill to test the response to the to a potential bombing however this is a complete lie and uh they would have known that if they reached out to mr power or looked into this in any way before deciding on a narrative here's what power actually said quote and half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of about a thousand people in london based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning the thousand person number was how many people worked at the company for whom he was doing a presentation and there was a very low likelihood that all of them were even in his session his lecture that he was given this was a corporate

seminar that power was presenting there were no people in the streets there were no uh there was nothing other than a scenario and a power point presentation uh and a bit of a coincidence people who have looked into peter power have suggested that he was doing a little bit of self promotion in this bbc presentation oh and his appearance on the there we go his scenario did not identically match uh the events of the seven seven bombings but it's in his business his best interests to make it appear that the corporate risk management lectures that he gives are as close to prophetic as possible oh man that this is it this is the drill that alex thinks proved the seven seven bombing was a false flag an attention hungry corporate lecturer so this

dude is on a self promotion grift and then he's used by right wing propaganda grifters uh in order to fucking facilitate more terrorism essentially uh huh cool cool all right it's such uttering complete shit how cynical alex and paul joseph watson are there's just literally no way that they can keep doing this and have no idea that they're complete fraud and can you imagine them portraying this honestly like alex getting on air and trying to argue that the bombing was fake because a guy was giving a risk assessment uh seminar that had similarities to the bombing can you imagine them being straight up with the audience about this alleged drill not being anything that involved the police or operatives or anyone on the street and only existed as a powerpoint presentation

he'd never do it because he's a liar all terrorist acts begin as powerpoint presentations dan we all know this i've i've seen the isis materials they don't use keynote they tried at the very beginning but it just that you couldn't pay attention long enough so they switched to power points it's it's a very complicated system they still use projectors sure i can't find the article that alex is referencing when he says that a terror expert says the mastermind of the seven seven bombings was mi six i searched in for his website and i found a blurb about this and apparently it's in relation to a guy on fox news saying that haroon rashid aswat may have worked with british intelligence in the 90s in bosnia that may be true but it doesn't prove that he was ever or is still an m six asset

in 2005 when the bombings happened it certainly doesn't prove that the bombings were a false flag at all also haroon rashid aswat was not one of the seven seven bombers some have suggested that he was the mastermind of the attacks but this absolutely has not been proven whether or not a swat was a string puller of the seven seven attack or whether or not he worked with british intelligence 15 plus gears earlier in a regional conflict none of that matters to the larger point alex is making those things can be true and not be evidence that this was a false flag that's possible so i don't really care yeah the central point that he's making is about this being a drill and his version of that is categorically not true also aswat is not saudi arabian he was

born in the united kingdom but his family is from india so good one on that all right but he's trying to weave in saudi arabia a little bit throw it in there because it's a little why not it's a little more hot in the yeah boston bombing conspiracy world by the 21st and he's brown so nobody's going to look into it i did so there's another piece of information that has come out that is that russia the russian intelligence had warned the united states about tamer linsar nev in the past okay so now this is going to become a central piece of alex's rhetoric moving forward the russians came to the fbi two years ago to get it on record and said we want you to go interrogate these guys that are going back and forth and hanging out with these extremists who are attacking us by the way

turned out the fbi was handling them five years ago oh and here's a big smoking gun for all of you and people are asking hey what's alex getting at i'm just giving you the information i don't know exactly what's going on here sure don't all i know is every time there's a terror attack whether it's seven seven the london bombing or this cia fbi mi six agents are running the people prove that anyway anyway yeah you know it's more it's more like you know everybody that was around in the 80s and 90s they worked with the fbi the cia and then they became terrorists the 80 like the iran contra and that whole thing was like the velvet underground for terrorists you know like everyone everybody you know not everybody saw the thing but everybody

who was there started their own terrorist group you know what i'm saying okay interesting yeah interesting metaphor that's why that's my metaphor for that so on the question of whether or not russia warned the united states about tamer linsar nev the answer is they definitely did the fsb told us in march 2011 that tamer lind was associating with known terrorist extremists and we should keep an eye on him this triggered an investigation carried out by the boston joint terrorism task force they interviewed tamer lind but they were unable to surveil him because they evidence they had didn't rise to the legal standard of that kind of a measure the fbi's memo of their about their interview and russia's just like come on you can stare at him anyways we do it come on what are

you doing with your laws come on right so the fbi's memo about their interview with tamer lind has been released and the interview took place on april 23 2011 the readout sounds like a pretty clear cut interview following up on a tip from russian intelligence with tamer lind discussing that he goes to mosk once a week has no connections or interest in radical islamic ideas and respects people of all faiths of note in the memos that he tells the fbi about how someone he knew was approached by four men who claimed to be uh fbi who wanted to talk to tamer lind they left no id or way of contacting them and he hadn't heard from them since this is definitely weird but it definitely doesn't necessarily follow that these people were actually fbi or even with the government

some strong indications have come out that joe har was selling drugs so tamer lind could have had some second or first hand contact with criminal elements who might want to try to intimidate him with that kind of a stunt there are other uh explanations for what this could have been yeah yeah the reason i strongly discount the possibility that these people were fbi is that the report which was restricted to internal use only treats these four guys as an unknown entity it makes specific note at the end of the memo that tamer lind was open to reporting to the fbi if these men tried to contact him again overall you're left with the impression that the fbi doesn't know anything about these four guys and that they have little little idea who tamer lind is

nor much interest in him other than following up on this fsb tip by june 2011 they'd done whatever investigating they could do and were unable to find any links to terrorism for safe measure they added him to a customs and border protection list that would flag him if you tried to leave or enter the country um there were two notes in this database about tamer lind and neither were effective in causing his detention when he flew from new york to moscow in january 2012 and back in july 2012 the first note it didn't consider him a high priority target so on the day that he was traveling to moscow there were about a hundred other names on the watch list that authorities were detaining and questioning and as he was a lower priority the resources available were expended elsewhere

and he was able to get through uh on uh stopped by the time tamer lind returned that original note on the customs and border protection uh profile or whatever that had expired but a more severe note had been made in the meantime which was still in effect um this was the result of a second warning from the fsb which led to tamer lind being considered a very dangerous person and made his detention mandatory however the agent who wrote that second note misspelled sarnav when they were entering him into the system and thus when he tried to return to the country that july it didn't raise any alarms this is the second time in the case of the story when proper data entry would have saved people probably some trouble man that's that's such a bummer that's such a fucking bummer

i instead of an a typed in e now it's now it's a boston bombing oh i mean it's not a one to one i know it's not a one to one but man as far as butterfly effect goes that's got to be a brutal yeah brutal thought so this him allowed being allowed to get back into the country has been the root of some people speculating that tamer lind was an fbi informant and had been clandestinely working to infiltrate muslim extremist communities on behalf of the government sure as the theory goes according to michelle mcfee's book maximum harm tamer lind wanted to be a u.s citizen primarily so he could box in the olympics but he was on and uneligible for that because he'd been arrested for domestic violence while he was in the country the fbi recruited him to be an informant thus his

ability to travel while he was on the list in exchange for approving his citizenship application over time as the promise of citizen citizenship never materialized tamer lind became angry and snapped ultimately contributing to him bombing the marathon this is any of that true well it's an interesting theory but it's just that it's a theory yeah if there were proof i could probably engage with this a little bit further in write-ups for the book mcfee even admits that this is just a theory from a daily mail article quote mcfee's theory which she admits she cannot definitively prove was that tamer lind was a federal informant and that he turned on america after his citizenship application was rejected it's all good and well to have a theory and discuss the possibilities

that arise from that theory but the way her writing was covered was a bit irresponsible the claims that the fbi was handling tamerlind for years led the stories and the disclaimer that this is just what she believes and can't prove were second thoughts paragraphs later isn't that crazy how that always works yeah in terms of alex's claim that the government had handled these brothers for five years that's just based on a claim by tamerlind's mother who was arguing for her sons innocence yeah so i don't take that to be all that substantial i mean she's got a she's got some skin in the game so to speak you know yeah we'll discuss that a little bit further later on so alex talks about uh here in this next clip um his belief sort of that these fortan pictures

that he had are still like really at the center of things here are the headlines group link to the brothers pairs specially trained for attack no doubt brothers not acting alone two from kazikistan in custody boston mayor acted alone he still hadn't gotten the the dumb mayor is still he's not in on it but he's still going with like wednesday's pr that it was alone they were gonna come out and say it was a lone right winger remember oh we've got word from axl brought us a right winger but we exposed all the patsies with all those video and photos right before the bombing so that's all dumb but alex is just reading headlines on drudge and this might be a good time to point out something super important that i think we don't bring up enough and that's how drudge works uh how drudge

works is that he takes existing news stories and links to them that's the primary function of his site but that's not why his site is one of the most popular in the right wing news ecosystem his site is number one with these dumb dumps because he rewrites headlines to fit the narratives that the right wing pundits are already disseminating he provides cover in the form of taking sensational stilted link headlines that people like alex can just repeat and lend their talking points credibility for instance let's take one of these headlines alex is reading quote no doubt brothers not acting alone that was the link on drudge which takes you to an article from the international business times the actual articles headline is quote boston marathon bombings fbi

sleeper cell link to sarnev brothers in this article the international business times quotes an article in the sunday mirror which is itself quoting an anonymous source quote close to the investigation the credibility of this source is kind of in question because they say the bombs used at the marathon were quote highly sophisticated and that quote agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come both of these details have been shown to not be the case which leads me to believe that the sunday mirror got some bad info which is then being reported in the international business times which is then being sensationalized by drudge so it can be more easily used by people like alex this is the

information pipeline yeah it's drudge is basically like a word cloud yeah it's it's like a if you go to that and you unfocus your eyes you can see all the white ring right wing propaganda lies pulling out like one of those uh one of those pictures that you know yeah one of those illusion ones where you're like it's a boat sure so in the next headlines even worse quote two from tejikistan in custody what country is he trying to say there is it tejikistan uh the the uh the actual country he's talking about is kazakhstan which isn't even close to what he said no tejikistan is not kazakhstan no very different alex is talking about joe har's two roommates who are taken in for questioning they were ultimately arrested and sent to prison for obstruction of justice as they

had gone to joe har's dorm room and attempted to help him dispose of evidence including a laptop and a backpack full of fireworks there's no evidence of them having any involvement in the planning or execution of the attacks but they did commit crimes to help their friend evade the law they both did short stretches in jail and were deported back to kazakhstan when they were released i don't think there's anything too suspicious about this but the way alex is reporting this is not good that's that's a i mean that's a good roommate i guess sure i i i think i would have chosen some uh some different options such as i'm fucking out dude bye yeah so um we get alex you know along the way he's just spinning his uh his yarns about uh you know joe har was uh you know

trekked on the scene right he'll never be able to talk again right and it's just exhausting throat was ripped out by a tiger yep yeah and and we know see that alex is starting to pivot towards uh blaming saudi arabia right wheel of fortune i actually met her once when i was in california the wheel remember her name here we go i'll spin the wheel of fortune and then i will touch it okay we're gonna nuke the canary current off the coast of africa that's who did it the canary current is to blame ladies and gentlemen i mean it's you know saudi arabia supposedly attacks us blow up iraq kill a million of them people yeah america let's cuss at the baseball game we're tough you mess with us we blow up your country here spin it again let's attack the southern hemisphere

okay australia nuke australia they so he's doing a little bit of a riff on like saudi arabia did something so now we're gonna attack other people yeah i don't think this bit is working the way that he like it it's not it's not a great bit it's foundering yeah so he's established that there was a drill at the marathon and you'll just see here how he tries to link it to the seven seven drill conspiracy and as we've discussed it was a powerpoint presentation yes police saw so many black backpacks with the national guard and navy seals and plain clothes of black backpacks part of the drill which is now confirmed that they tried to deny that a real bomb could be slipped through that's why you do a drill they did a drill on seven seven of the exact trains and exact bus

attacked at the exact same time wait for it at the exact same location don't believe me go to youtube and type in seven seven that's not good enough bbc and itn with the head of scotland yard admitting running drills of the exact same place exact same time being attacked peter powers he's not the head of scotland yard and again it's like well why would he tell on himself he probably wasn't involved he's hired to run a drill and then oh man again i've seen how they do this over and over again when you know what he's actually talking about this just appears to be the saddest bullshit yeah that clip is so like like it just you see it clearly the scales fall from your eyes when you realize this drill that he's talking about with seven seven is a corporate like seminar it was it

was preceded by a motivational speaker giving fucking performance goals and a t-shirt yeah exactly he's pretending that it's like actually people out on the street in the in the trains and what have you and it's like you can't like it's a giant improv everywhere bombing yeah yeah you're eight years after that bombing at this point you have no excuse to not know this i understand the day of you just see the cnn or interview with a bbc interview with mr power you could you could get it in your head and misunderstand things and then the next day correct yourself yeah eight years later still lying about this in order to reinforce other lies you're telling it's just so clear i love i love his exasperation with like i've seen him do it so many times and it's like no no no

you've said they've done it so many times right you're boring you've you've convinced yourself so many times yeah they are doing different stuff you're the one saying it's all the same stuff yeah so alex now knows that the fbi did talk to tamerlan in 2011 uh-huh so he's convinced now that when they put out those pictures of the suspects and they didn't know who they were and they needed the public's help identifying them they were lying let's go over some of these headlines boston marathon bombs the brothers interviewed by fbi in 2011 but they're showing you photos of them saying we don't know who they are help us identify them not help us find them who are these people oh you don't know who your little pet projects are and you're so dumb you release videos showing feds

in doorways watching them as they walk by that's not uh shown to be true and and like i don't i understand why this would be a compelling argument to someone who doesn't think too deeply about things yeah like they did talk to them in the past yeah how do they not know who they are how many fucking people do you think that they uh you have on their radar two or three per year this this entire thing with the like fsb saying hey check out this guy yeah could have been handled by like two people right they might not remember two years later the entire fbi went to his apartment they all gathered around they all took pictures they said remember this face in case something happens two years from now it's very uh understandable that they would not see him and

be like aha i know who that is yeah it's if you if you watch any episode of fucking forensic files you're like every every goddamn police department has their own database of fingerprints they don't even you don't even know if somebody's fingerprints are in there from fucking yeah they don't remember every face tamarillans were on file yeah and they were able to find that out once he was dead yeah when they had his fucking name exact well that's how they got his name is bit when he they they'd already you know taken him to the hospital yeah so i think that it's very reasonable to assume that the fbi might not know who they are even though they talked to him before i do not think that that is some kind of crazy thing easily but look dude leaders do false flags it's just

look man hey leaders do false flags do you need an example yes of course government stage stuff so they can i mean emperor don't mean stages attacks on himself to declare martial law in star wars that's a kid's movie can people figure this out you want to take over nero wanted to take over and purge the christians okay so his first example is emperor palpatine right so his first example is a kid's movie yeah and his second example is fake history good stuff okay gotcha yeah so those are two concrete examples yeah absolutely it's it is bad work yeah so when alex is veering more towards saudi arabia and and that sort of narrative and putting some sort of blame that direction what's interesting is that there's another guy who's doing that too by the name of glenn

beck sure glenn beck is going hard on saudi arabia yes particularly on the guy who the police questioned who was one of the victims of the bombing right saudi arabian student that we talked about episodes back yeah glenn beck has not left the realm of suspicion about this guy oh he is he is someone who glenn beck is focusing on very closely oh that's not good no and alex is sort of seeing like he's getting some traffic and mileage out of that let's uh let's throw him into my bullshit yeah glenn beck says obama is covering up through the boston bombing yeah i don't know how to build stuff up and i just give it to you it's up on info wars dot com that the guy that we first pointed out not saying he did anything was on news report dot com

legally beck talks to his sources puts out an article the drudge also linked to wonder us saying update and right there they talked to their sources which i know they have saying he was a person of interest and was connected to shady people now it's in the saudi press that six of his family are listed as terrorists by the saudi government now i don't know if that's true or not but it's in the news let me tell you something i don't link to something that looks in the news yeah you do a good job with that i don't link to something until it's in the news what what does that mean fortran what does that mean i don't know like what does that mean so while alex has been a bit more scattershot with his coverage of the boston bombing and has been shifting his

theories to accommodate a whole bunch of different suspects the same can't really be said for his mortal enemy glenn beck in between beck segments criticizing alex so he appears sane in comparison glenn has been spending a lot of time working up a conspiracy theory of his own and it's centered around that saudi arabian student who'd been injured in the bombing i've been very uh uh consciously trying to not name people who were caught up in this thing uh except when necessary particularly victims of both the actual bombing and the propaganda surrounding it i don't feel like they deserve to have their names attached to this tragedy and leaving them unnamed is something i consider a small act of honoring their right to live a normal life after this more

misfortune befell them when uh while we discuss this student in the context of him being questioned i stuck to that standard but now that glenn beck is involved i need to get more specific in the days after the bombing glenn said on his show that they'd uncovered information about a quote very bad bad bad man who he claimed was involved in the attack it seems like it's a universal trait that right wing shithead broadcasters really think they're speaking directly to the government on their shows because glenn made an ultimatum that he made an ultimatum to the government yeah that if okay if the government did not deal with this very bad bad bad man appropriately he would reveal them on his show he called them quote the worst of the worst and even appeared

on bill o'reilly's show to spread his accusations further naturally the government didn't respond how glenn wanted so he kept his word and accused abdulla roman all harby of being the money man who facilitated the attack and had given the quote go order for the attack al harby is the student who was injured in the bombing okay so i assume he sued glenn beck for all the money there ever was look at to that okay glenn claimed he had received this info from two dhs sources but he refused to elaborate or reveal his sources it's super important to point out though that by the time glenn he was making these accusations on air the fbi had already spoken to al harby and had publicly announced he was not involved so naturally that's just what they would publicly

announce dan true so naturally al harby sued glenn back in 2014 good glenn tried to argue that al harby was a public figure which would provide some really glenn really glenn yeah glenn yeah i'm gonna take a fucking sally down the street from me make a story about her put her on the news 24 seven and then yeah she's technically a public figure that would have provided him some cover for irresponsible reporting it's way harder to prove defamation against public figures the judge had no time for that and ruled that al harby was absolutely a private figure and returned to decision saying that beck had to disclose his sources naturally glenn wasn't gonna do that so he paid an undisclosed amount to settle the case it's tough to imagine what the amount he paid

out was considering the person he was paying was someone he'd accused of orchestrating a terrorist attack but i'm certain he'd rather pay any price than have it revealed publicly that he just makes up sources and embellishes what they tell him to an egregious degree yeah covering that up is priceless uh and if it's if that suit had proceeded there's little doubt in my mind you would have never been able to go on his dumbass i'm sorry tour after trump was elected no i can find no evidence that this saudi student had a bunch of relatives who are on terrorist lists it is true that there are a number of people named al harby on the saudi arabian watch list but i can find no actual proof that they're related to this student there is a bunch of dumb blogs like

i am not ashamed of the gospel of christ dot com where the only evidence provided is that they have the same surname right right even if he did have relatives who are terrorists that wouldn't do shit to prove that he himself as a terrorist isn't this show supposed to be about individualism and reject the notion of guilt by association this is the sort of shit alex is bringing to the table citing evidence that al harby is a terrorist based on information put out by his arch rival what's which ends up getting his arch rival sued and uh and the rest of it's just dumb right wing blog filler yeah also a pretty fun revelation of this lawsuit is that we learn some of glenbeck's employees names which are pretty strong arguments for a nominative determinism or the idea that your

name determines what you'll do in life lie fake bullshit the president of the blaze at the time was named joel cheatwood and glenbeck's producer was named joe weasel really yeah god damn it yeah these are not nicknames either nope this is full on i am proud of the weasel name legal so i am going to work for a literal weasel yeah gotcha yeah so glenbeck gets sued for this i think alex is probably on the outskirts of getting himself named in the suit but you know is still what he's doing is the same sort of behavior that led to beck having to pay a bunch of money so anyway alex gets into the drill there was a drill at the bombing and here he is witnesses on record track coaches you name it said they were told a drill don't worry about the bags

it's just a drill looks they use to make everybody stand down everybody was told show up with a black backpack so the real backpack could make it in exactly so that's the function of the drill everyone's got bags so no right right right right but see here's the thing it's the old switcheroo dan the old hide the forest inside the tree yeah so here's the thing all of the evidence that he's citing for it being a drill is imaginary or deeply embellished yeah so it makes it tough for me to hear this next clip and think he's being sincere if there wasn't a drill at this and if there wasn't evidence of the drill and then the cover up of the drill and then him being fine and then tracheotomy and he can't talk and all these other points and they tried to blame right

wingers i would say okay real crazy is a cactus and then i'd say let's not give up our rights for three dead honeybills honeybees kill 200 plus all the things uh alex is saying there for reasons he thinks something suspicious is up here is they're all completely fake the evidence that he has that uh there was a bombing drill is completely blown out of proportion and he absolutely can't even come close to proving what he's putting out there isn't evidence of a drill there are just pictures of civilian uh civil support teams uh uh that alex has found on forechan and written a mystery novel about imagining that they're secretly navy seals there wasn't a cover up of a drill there are just officials who have no idea what conspiracy bullshit is flying around on the internet

and they aren't really interested in the dumb pictures from forechan not engaging with your conspiracy is not evidence of a cover up joe har wasn't tracheotomy immediately as alex is suggesting and even if he couldn't talk for a very brief time he was still able to communicate also he was able to talk within days he just couldn't talk while he had a throat tube in because he was recovering from a wound to his pharynx they didn't try to blame right wingers alex just feels like they were going to blame right wingers and created an elaborate narrative surrounding those pictures from forechan where a random person in the shot was anointed the white patsy with zero evidence of anything other than alex's feelings literally nothing alex is saying to support his conclusion

that the bombing is fake is true it's just absolute shit and it's the worst kind of work a person can do also small point here i hate to be pedantic but honey bees absolutely do not kill 200 plus people a year some decent numbers i found said that hornets bees and wasps combined kill about 1.4 per 10 million each year or approximately 45 people in the united states also comparing the number of people killed in a bombing to the number of people killed by bees is pretty absurd for one most people who die from bees are allergic to them whereas we're all allergic to bombings perhaps more importantly bees are a very important part of our ecosystem and without them a lot of plants would die out the same is not true of people who bomb things no no it's like how the redwoods

you know the forest fires clear off all the brush and then the redwoods if we didn't have bombings then how would we rebuild our cities dan it's the circle of life everybody knows it's just the ecosystem we just accept this as part of how you know the things work sure i hate him so much for also that 45 a year is hornets wasps and bees combined yeah i really hate to be pedantic yeah i i know i know you do i was gonna wash over that's not all bees bees might be like six it's just so infuriating to listen to him talk on a day like this because all of the bullshit he said he's saying with such confidence because you're like oh well i guess he must already have proved that that's the way that's how he wants you to yeah if you hadn't listened to his show for

the past five days and then just came in on this and even though you had watched the regular news the whole time if you just suddenly walked into this show you're like oh shit he must have proved all this shit because he is really comfortable i must have missed where he laid all that out yeah exactly it's so and that's intentional lighting as fuck a hundred percent oh a hundred percent i do not believe it's not intentional no absolutely not i can i can even feel my head just like trying to inch towards there while he's talking just be like well there's something he can't be this confident without something yeah and i have to stop and be like no he literally has nothing yeah this is all made up yeah oh so alex at the end here

of this 21st this april 21st episode he goes to calls and one of these callers brings up an old article from the boston globe uh you need to know the power you've got yeah there it is marathon is dry run disaster wow boston globe 2008 good job good job that is true human human intelligence you on the ground so this caller has brought up this article and alex has found it this caller is a human intelligent yes now listen to alex talk about this again the whole mo of this situation stinks to high heaven and here we have a boston globe article marathon is a dry run disaster drill and we know they were running drills we've caught them running the drill now i assume he reads the entire article from there less important okay what did you notice the difference

between the two times he read the headline the first time he read the actual headline which is quote marathon as a dry run disaster the second time he added the word drill to the headline that isn't there okay that's intentional all right that is that's not very intentional that's cheating yeah that's cheating you can't do that of course not it's against the i guess he can you know you can't do that there's a foul somebody has to call a foul on this right yeah absolutely air horn yeah there's a there's a flag on the field there's something you can't just add drill to a headline because you're trying to say this was a drill yeah that is dirty pool the FCC should have him bleep that shit i don't give a i don't give a fuck if he's saying we fucking did it it

should be goddamn bleep the yeah addition to the headline so beyond that what alex is doing is just reading off his headline the one of his callers sent him from the globe in 2008 marathon as a dry run disaster could hardly be better tailored to what he's been putting out unless you lie and throw drill on the end of the right that one that one that makes it even better that one really helps that really helps however when this is being brought into the conversation where alex is arguing that the bombing was a false flag it's important to discuss the content of the article not just the headline the article is an op-ed piece where the author is primarily arguing that a number of public health and safety organizations treat large events like the boston marathon or the fourth of

july parade as opportunities to heighten their readiness for future calamities this is not about doing a dry run over a bombing or anything like that it's about how relationships between medical and law enforcement groups can be forged at large events like this in order that they can work better together because as the article says you don't want to quote exchange business cards at the scene of a disaster in addition to this element the marathon marathon is perfect for collaborative preparation because it doesn't just take place in boston it extends through multiple cities so by definition it's an event where intercity coordination is necessary this article does nothing to prove or even make more plausible any of the arguments alex is making but it appears to based on a

few buzzwords in the headline and one alex is faking putting in so that's annoying yeah that's like saying any of those cdc simulations where they try and coordinate with different departments and act as though okay here's what a a pandemic would start and this is how it would look like and let's see if we can simulate a circumstance where we succeed or something like that just those existing would be fuel for alex to be like see they're planning the new pandemic like it's there's nothing you can do no no unless you just understand how he operates what he's doing you get the bigger picture of this bullshit that that's the that's the way to help yeah so alex ends the show talking about our government well i was born in 1952 in united states of america a very a very good very

wonderful country well the reason it was so much better than is you you couldn't find many immoral people in government now you can find a lot of them well i just heard on r t last night somebody said that and you know a trusted source that america it was now number one the most corrupt nation on the planet you say anything the government tells you is most likely alive not many immoral people government and government back in 1952 you say wonder how alex might be defining his terms on that one would it surprise you to learn that the 82nd session of congress which included the year 1952 included only two african-american representatives and zero senators odd how about

the fact there was only one woman senator and ten representatives keep in mind there are 535 members of congress right this is one area where congress has really noticeably changed since the 1950s let's say after the passage of the voting rights act and a lot of people are super happy about it one area that makes no sense to point to as a difference between the 1950s and the present day is governmental corruption there are thousands of examples of representatives and senators behaving in very similarly scandalous ways going all the way back to the founding of the country but it's hard to say exactly what alex considers immoral maybe accepting bribes doesn't count as immoral no that's the idea that it there were fewer immoral people in government

the entire government was by its nature immoral what about two men in japan it was built around discrimination and segregation the entirety of the government was immoral i think all alex is saying is he liked it better when the government was whiter yeah exactly that's all i'm here at there yeah yeah i think we i think we solve that problem or i would ask him to explain what he means that's not who's moral right so anyway we get on to the 22nd and when alex comes in here on his monday show he lays out the canonical version of what his narrative is about the the bombing obviously day one it happened i said let's look for drills let's look for stand downs let's look for multiple patsy grips let's look for setups honcho let's follow who they say they

believe it is and the media said it's going to be a right winger lone wolf and they said okay they've been in arrest our word is right wing lone wolf you got owners are going to get the blame we got you but because of all the photos out there i think the evidence is clear they said okay we haven't been in arrest we were letting the person go we're shredding the courthouse down panic you know kick the media out and then they the next day bring out the patsy photos so that's moving forward but it seems like it's going to be his right that one in stone yeah that's our that's our final draft right there got you so he goes along and he's denying that there was even a firefight in water town the express is that that didn't happen never and that's largely

based on like some videos that people have that are incomplete just sort of partial videos he goes he you know he is just strongly arguing that people were forced into lockdown like they this is like at gunpoint people forced to stay inside their homes and it's just not true but it you know you just repeat it over and over again and you know eventually people are gonna be like well that makes sense yeah so alex talks about how this whole thing the lockdown or the shelter in place request didn't really work because only after it ended was the person able to see that there was a guy in his boat right and then the neighbor you know looks out and sees the boat and sees the blood on it and oh because the the the the lockdown had been lifted

he wouldn't dare go out while the lockdown was on he sat there and looked at the blood on the boat and everything and waited and when the lockdown was over he went out to look and thought he saw somebody in there so he wouldn't call the police he followed his orders man i'm telling you the police announced you're locked down in austin do not leave your home you know what i'm gonna go out i've had enough of the stinking government okay all right you're a big boy cool yeah so in his in his mind this dude is sitting by his back window just staring at the boat just like man i want to do something about this blood covered boat of mine but they told me to stay inside and i obviously can't use my phone from the inside

i keep it i keep it outside of course so what are you going to do yeah i just got to stare there until they give the okay to step outside yeah look the guy decided to comply with the shelter in place request and when he went outside he noticed something that he wouldn't see yeah unless he was outside who gives a shit so alex has found some video of the police shooting at the boat that joe har was in yeah and he plays the the video and i think that there's something really important to point out here and we are showing video to tv viewers of what looks like about 20 police firing en masse with 223s and 308s and over and over again into the boat and then waiting about an hour and 45 minutes for him

to bleed to death by the way there's even more of this footage but it has cuss words over it so we're only seeing about half of it of the sustained fire where it appears they load and reload their clips three or four times alex is absolutely lying he is replaying that no there if you actually find videos of the shooting it lasts very a very short time there's a brief outburst of firing and then it stops for good and everyone's yelling stop fire hold your fire hold your fire the video that alex is or the audio you can tell there they're shooting then there's a lull then there's more shooting a lull and more shooting that does not happen in the real world yeah that is and he's saying this is about half of it as if to indicate that they're they were shooting

for a full minute no he's talking about he's talking about a wild west shootout where people are in different fucking houses across the way and putting their heads out the window and fire in three shots and then ducking back in that's what he's talking about and it did not happen like that no nothing that i'm saying is to say that the police were in any way within the bounds of good behavior to fire on the boat but what alex is doing is completely lying yeah about it and he has to be lying you could in that clip he played shooting that lasted longer than it did in the real world there's no way for him to be playing that audio or video without looping it or without playing it twice that's such an asshole move yeah it absolutely is and the only reason

and this is before everything was autoplay on facebook yeah and the only the only reason to do that is to create a false presentation of what was being done there yeah i'm seriously like come on guys bullets aren't free what are we what are we doing i don't like wasting my taxpayer dollars on 30 guys firing 5000 bullets into a boat so there was something that happened in the night of the water town shootout and that is that naked guy got arrested who was there on the scene sure in the immediate there were some theories that were running around that this was actually tamerlin and it was it was not no one was going straight to time traveling terminator no no nobody went to terminate not that i'm aware of okay but this was sort of bolstered by tamerlin's aunt

saying that that was him it was not but this family member lent all this credibility to being like he wasn't actually killed there he was arrested naked okay and this is not true but here is alex pushing some of this you've got the other brother reportedly now witnesses are saying we have these videos up on info wars calm that they saw the police run over him and then fill his body full of holes and the aunt and others are saying that it is video of the older brother tamerlin being brought naked into the police car and then i guess you just stage a firefight and then and then say that you killed him if you consult the timestamps of the the time that people were showing live footage of the guy being arrested they do not match up it was after

tamerlin had already been taken away in an ambulance all this is bullshitted it's an honest misunderstanding that can be made because there is a superficial visual similarity between this naked guy and tamerlin but he was just another suspicious person who was around the scene of the water town shootout and you know it's an easy sort of thing mistake to make yeah and i mean when they say they filled him full of holes what they really meant is they force fed him shia the buff movies right good man that was a swing that was a swing i went for it i went for it i don't know why you come on there's it had to be there it had to go wow i thought swiss cheese might come up you know it's shallow shia love of movie impressive holes impressive so alex's

narrative now is that they were trying to kill joe har in the boat they were trying to kill him through the entire man hunt uh and that is why they told people not to leave their homes now what was the mission there did they go pump tear gas in and say come out with your hands up by the way there the witnesses say he didn't shoot at him with his quote carbine he was hiding in there and they pulled up and they unloaded because they were told kill him that's why they told the media you cover this we're gonna kill you that's why they told citizens you come out of your house you're dead there's no evidence they told that to the citizens or the media alex is making all of this up he's just decided that their mission was to kill joe har and that's not

anything that he has any reason to report he doesn't have that from any official channel he's just assuming in the same way that he saw those pictures on four channel created an entire fantasy narrative out of it he's just decided as what they were told and it's it's constantly changing everything is constantly changing on the 19th when we listen to that episode the man hunter the lockdown was in order to find the fake seals from the pictures on four channel clean that whole yeah yeah now it's we got to kill joe har like it's ridiculous you know i i i imagine that alex has to be a little bit disappointed that he's still supporting trump just because he could have used butt dialing juliani as like though his source for that but juliani butt dialed me

and he said give them the order to kill him it would be perfect it's there it's all there the butt dialing juliani you can lie about anything with that because it's believable now yeah so uh this next clip i believe is important here uh because it shows a harsh ad pivot that alex is doing and again babies are being aborted everywhere including babies that can be adopted but oh the media doesn't cry for them the media doesn't get sad for them it's only these three people that are dead which they use as psychological trauma to scare everyone into going along with this tyranny by the way we're almost sold out of the march issue of what planet hoax you want to buy in bulk it exposes stage terror that's very familiar ad pivoting but he's selling his magazine

because he doesn't have his line of supplements yet so this is a bizarre feeling of development because he's saying that the in the same time that he's talking about the globalists using psychological fear and and and then to get you to do what they want he's trying to scare you about the globalists to get you to sell yeah buy his magazine it's very weird so anyway alex is certain that this is a cover up and a false flag and here is what that cover up will lead to one thing is certainly clear there is a massive cover up going on surrounding the bombings of last monday and another thing sure politically they're going to use this to try to ban black powder or restrict its purchase again somebody does something bad so we all lose our rights that's

called authoritarianism or you don't punish the individual you you punish the group it didn't happen i mean that's not called authoritarian and it didn't happen and it didn't happen so cool check that off the list yeah we're good i'm certain this is going to be used to outlaw black powder didn't happen okay so alex is certain that this is a false flag and it's not just him it's everyone alex trusts and he says that and then struggles to come up with anybody's name everyone i respect like joel scowson and uh people like uh joel scowson well i mean there's so many folks out there singing has all the signs of false flag but steve pechenek

well you name it or saying this thing stinks to high heaven so your example is joel scowson murderer's row of experts dad joel scowson very long pause long pause then steve pechenek who we now know is uh on the outs we don't even have a leo zygami coming in no he doesn't know leo at this point no so um alex has a new uh wrinkle here on this april 22nd episode that is a story has come out about uh the fbi calling tamerlin okay after the bombing oh no and curtain emmo's got a big article coming out soon with a whole boil down uh with their intelligence connections and and that ties in with steve watson's article mother of suspected bomber claims fbi called eldest son after bombing before fatal shootout british media report claims fbi spoke with tamerlin

and said they knew he'd carried out the bombing and that is being reported by channel four news in britain yeah when the mother instantly said intelligence services they would not leave my son alone so the the idea that the fbi called tamerlin in the days after the bombing is supported by literally nothing other than a claim by the sarnev brothers parents who were in active defense mode their interviews in the days after their children's photos were released could all boil down to something like our children could never do something like this which is a natural parental reaction you see it commonly in the cases of people uh you know parents of people who do horrible things because it's very damaging to your sense of self to imagine that someone you raised could

do something like a bomb a marathon i tend not to give those comments too much weight unless they're supported by backing evidence which is just absent in this case and this is a situation where proving this would be pretty easy as investigators poured over tamerlin's phone records to try and identify possible accomplices even the channel four article that alex is basing this on doesn't treat the story as being substantiated from this article quote the telephone call claim raises a number of questions on the one hand the claim could be false it follows suggestions by both parents that the fbi had been monitoring tamerlin for years and could be part of efforts to defend the brothers another possibility is that the telephone call was tamerlin preparing his

mother for bad news because tamerlin told her allegedly yeah that the fbi called yeah the article very explicitly treats this is something that might be true but there's no proof it's all good and well to discuss something like this as a claim being made by a traumatized mother but it's very inappropriate to treat it as if it's established fact or even something likely to be true and that is what alex is doing there's a very important distinction that alex is trying to play both sides of in this very clip that we just listened to the headline from steve watson's story is fine because it's saying that tamerlin's mother made this claim but alex then goes on to say that a british report claims the fbi spoke to tamerlin after the bombing and that is an absolute lie

the british report says that tamerlin's mother said it it in no way claims that the fbi spoke to tamerlin this is the sort of sleight of hand alex does all the time it's how he's able to subtly change elements of a story without people really noticing and you could pretend that it's a minor shift in the story but it's not one claim is that this mother made the claim the other is that the british media is reporting that the mother's claims are correct and the fbi did talk to tamerlin after the bombing it's an attempt to prove the mother's claim by appealing to a source that doesn't prove that this is a deeply dishonest act and you probably wouldn't do something like this unless you were trying to mislead people so it just i mean does the evidence just keeps piling up

his just shifty behavior is really really bad yeah this is really really really bad like this is out of character bad even for i think most of the most of our coverage of alex this is well i mean it's one of the most aggressively yeah condensed is a good way of putting it he is throwing so many lies at so many walls but because he has the opportunity to right i mean these circumstances don't present themselves very often right this is just rapid fire this is yeah so alex talks about a little bit more about how that lockdown and the shelter in place stuff was really just to find joe har and kill it it was citizens that found your patsy after your lockdown was lifted you couldn't find him to killing and just like you did the brother and so you lifted it going okay

let the slaves find it but then the media could then move the media you'd threaten to kill so they got a bird's eye view so you couldn't finish the killing now you're drugging him up out of his mind to confess he did it just like the so-called aurora shooter this is all made up that's crazy this is all just imagine this is just alex making a narrative and a storyline out of disparate pieces of information i'm tired of getting cornered by the guy doing coke at the party and what is he doing that's what he's doing now what you got to know is you guys are afraid that they're going to come to my house and they're going to get never okay so alex has two guests on the show on the 22nd and i'm going to say up top they're both pieces of shit right the first of them is wane

madson the guy who uh told alex that uh was at hillary clinton's chef who died had a note attached to him that said call larry nickle hell yeah so he's the origin of the call larry nickle this is one of our founding members this guy now hates alex jones and thinks he's a liar and a charlatan i wonder why that's great um so here's wane talking about uh the sarnef brothers and many of these people i call a professional refugees including the sarnef family this sarnef family uh the the young boy first came over here in oh two uh apparently got his uh residency as asylum by the way i'll just say it off a gut feeling oh the dad looks like a classic intelligence operative he just screams james bond type what do you say so um you know he's talking

about like chetchen refugees yeah and he he at another point he talks about how like he's noticed that they're all in washington dc in boston and it's all bullshit there are very few chetchens in the united states most of them find it much easier to emigrate to european countries so the communities in those countries are much larger it's a complicated question as to why there are not as many refugees of chetchen descent in the united states but some have pointed to it being a an expensive trip to make to apply to asylum uh here that's a pretty large factor another is that there weren't very many chetchens here so chetchens are much less likely to end up choosing to flee to the united states where there are fewer uh fellow chetchens who can help them uh with the transition process

of living in a new country yeah a little self-selection little uh little economics little yeah whatever the case there are not many chetchens as a whole in the united states some estimates have put it as low as a couple hundred in the entire country no shit yeah but it's hard to know for sure since many may be identifying as russian yeah their country of origin documents my point here is that wane madson's point is kind of dumb and he says that dc and boston are cities with that like chetchens are surrounding like they're the most prevalent in right all right um they are cities that have you know some chetchen populations but they're tiny relatively speaking and those cities aren't the only places where chetchen folks live there are cities that he's chosen from a list

of cities with chetchen communities because it's where all the fbi stuff is and where uh the bombing happened there are also notable chetchen populations in seattle new york los angeles and new jersey but wane hand waves those a way to draw focus to the cities that he wants to build suspicion about and here's the thing this isn't just a conspiracy this is overt xenophobia putting forth this kind of thing where you're trying to imply that refugees from this particular heritage are somehow nefariously clustered it serves to make your listeners suspicious of all chetchens this is a very small group who are pretty vulnerable from a numbers and social capital standpoint trying to create the perception that they might become to the united states as quote professional refugees

and may be up to no good is an explicit act of marginalization of a community based on their ethnic origin and that seems pretty fucked up these chetchen americans were just as affected by the bombing as anyone else possibly even more so since they had to fear that people would do exactly what wane madson is doing here trying to tie their heritage to a terrorist act and the strongest possible terms fuck this wane sucks yeah there should be a picture of him next to scapegoat like jesus christ yeah this angle is real bad that's that's fucking terrible so alex has had steve pochanik on who's given the motive of the for the pulling off this false flag as being the imaginary bipartisan congressional committee that indicted obama for war crimes they did it

it's good wane they got it wane has his own motive okay bottom line what do you think really happened here because they were getting ready to blame it on the tea party they said we have somebody arrested they were gonna be at the at the courthouse and they shut that down they acted very panic don't look at these other photos the fbi said that's word for word only look at these now the mother says they were calling them before and after the bombing and then right before the fatal shootout what is your inside intel on capitol hill they needed another dramatic not as big as 9 11 but they needed something to spur on the passage of this syspa act i call this the patriot act for the internet this is going to give the law enforcement intelligence carte blanche access to

everybody's interaction with anything electronic and to plant stuff on you more important to plant stuff on you yeah and then we had the ricin attack instead of anthrax that was the same playbook the ricin attack completely unrelated a guy trying to set up an elvis impersonator who he had a rivalry with what a wild story that was yeah so wane believes that the bombing was done to pass syspa or the cyber intelligence sharing and protection act also known as hr 3523 and the 112th congress hr 624 in the 113th and hr 234 in the 114th all of these attempts to pass the bill failed with or without any supposed false flag bombings in december 2015 the gop included an amended version called syssa cisa into the budget bill and obama signed it into law you may remember uh december

2015 is one of the many times that the gop under mitch mcconnell had tried to force a shutdown of the government if he couldn't get his way in this case there was a big hold up with them trying to put defunding of planned parenthood into the budget bill which they were unable to do they were however able to slide in syssa there's no need for the government to stage terrorist attacks to push through unpopular legislation alex's buddies like ted crews are more than willing to hold the government hostage to do that on their own so now we got two bullshit theories as to the motive for the false flag pushing through syspa which didn't happen and steve pochanics imaginary bipartisan congressional committee that indicted bush and obama of war crimes nothing that these people

are saying means anything they're just making shit up it's not okay i know you probably get tired of that it's just not okay no it's not you can't just do that no it wouldn't even occur to me to just riff out the news and syspa is just reality just a riff no i i yes it's awful i tip my hat to alex being against it but that's well it's alex against yeah oh yeah and you know and david night is particularly against it as well i i think that's a solid position to have but it doesn't justify this now no so anyway alex by this point now has learned that there's an explanation for the people in his pictures that he found on fourchan and that they were national guard civil support team members by the way now they're trying to claim those are national guard

there were some national guard dressed the same but there are people wearing craft hats there as well you could tell the difference between that national guard were wearing the camouflage uniforms and the and the craft guys were wearing these khaki pants and these vests nope well that solves it not true see how it works it's all he solved it see he just said one thing and so i believe him it's done we're done now you take this entirely terrible work that they've done insisting these people are navy seals when in reality they were part of these civil support teams and they have now taken the truth and hand waved it away yeah no no no of course not they're from the you you're getting it wrong this is how you solidify your narrative man from any kind of

possible infiltration of of reality so frustrating so wane's gone now and he can stay gone for all i'm concerned and alex decides to take a little time to plug a new station that's signed up to air his show and it might be good on these plug sheets if they give me the the frequency hey john will you give me the frequency i mean i'm giving people the call letters but i hell i can do it i can go to radio locator and do it it's like it's like i'll get ad copy i'm gonna write to say here's your ad and just says the name it's like you write it you know you do everything jones and people want me to come i guess into the bathroom become groom of the stool or something too i can do all the butt wiping around here 11 60 a.m ladies and gentlemen excuse me

uh david i'm uh that's a good way to introduce this hour family show i apologize folks i'm not complaining it's all the time it's like they're a plug distance station oh yes uh the uh did you say 16 30 this is uh it's good to know this has been a family show all along i i i love the petty workplace office griping and just coming out on air like that's that is every office for that is everybody who has ever worked in an office at least one day i've been like really i'm getting this many emails do you guys not know how to figure it out your god damn selves go ahead and do everything around yeah except it's on the fucking radio so alex is convinced that the fbi knew who the sarnev brothers were when they released the suspect photos and then he goes on and just tells his

version of the manhunt and some of this is a little bit repetitive we've heard clips like this but i think it's be important to understand that what alex is doing is first of all being repetitive to his audience to drive home his narrative and then secondarily he's practicing he's practicing hitting these points and now it's just hands down the fbi knew who they were when they put their picture out and then called him up if the mother's accurate and said we're gonna come on by and get you and then they uh for whatever reason drugged him up or had already shot him lady mount ran over him and then shot him up a bunch more and then they wanted that other brother bad and they tried to but media had gotten their cameras on it so they were unable after shooting hundreds of rounds into

it when he actually got up oh my goodness you know he's unarmed with his hands up don't worry we'll get him in the tent get medical personnel over here to help him out uh but it was a little too obvious if he'd have died on the spot they made the call hey the kid doesn't know the whole story we'll try him so this is all just made up this is again just alex's imagination of what happened i don't understand why anybody would take this like i mean i do understand why people take it seriously it's very convincing let me let me take that again i think i could do that a little bit smoother yellow let dark yellow okay we're gonna do this one more time i want to tell this story i want to really i really want to get this story right he has the emotionally uh a compelling

presentation of someone who knows what they're talking about and it's very easy to be uh duped into thinking his confidence is competence yeah so um some videos had surfaced by this point of police taking people out of homes to search them and alex has a position on this and i have some thoughts i bet it's great and now in boston the videos are emerging where they would just go door to door and say come out and have families you know with their children you name it come out with their hands up and the cops would get in their face and grab on them and i'm telling you it's illegal it's unlawful it's martial law so alex is absolutely correct that there were videos going around of people being let out of their homes by police with guns there's no real indication of the

police threatening them in any way nor the police aiming their guns at these civilians but the people do have their hands up from the videos i've seen it seems more likely uh this is an orderly process that the police are you know it's not that they're yelling at them to submit but i can't be certain are these even actually from that yeah okay all right i because my first my first instinct is like these are actually from six years ago no they're okay i wasn't there and i don't know what videos alex has seen and hasn't seen i can't really speak on those sorts of things i can just tell you what i've seen oh and i can also speak about one other thing and that is that every single one of these people whose homes are searched during the manhunt gave the police permission to search their

homes you can make the argument that given the fever pitch in the city that these people felt like they couldn't tell the police that they couldn't search their homes and then in some way that you know that's a form of pressure for them to give up their fourth amendment rights you could make the argument that they might have felt like there would be consequences if they didn't consent to the police searching their homes like that might make them appear suspicious if they didn't and these were the exact sort of questions that a certain group was exploring in late april 2013 it's a group that alex fucking hates that group of course is the american civil liberties union the acou they'd seen the same videos that everyone else had seen and made very

public statements that they would like to speak to any citizen who felt like they were put in a position where they couldn't say no to a police search speaking to the atlantic carol rose the executive director of the acou of massachusetts said that their organization had quote received a number of concerned complaints from people about the searches that took place including some residents of watertown none however from people whose homes had been searched i've looked and i can find no evidence that anyone actually affected by the searches has ever lodged a formal complaint or filed suit claiming that their rights were violated all the noise that's been talked about this issue comes for people who saw the videos or looked at the optics and made their own decisions

about it these observers are making a gigantic mistake and it's them trying to assume that they know the decisions that these actual people whose homes are being searched are making many of them were probably totally fine with the search some of them probably uncomfortable but understood it was for the best so they consented it this is right wing virtue signaling you're in simple just getting mad on other people's behalf if one of these citizens had filed a case and alex wanted to support their claim and draw attention to it that's one thing but he doesn't even have a particular case to point to all he's saying is if that was me in that video i wouldn't be okay with it yeah and fine that's an okay thing to think but it doesn't help us establish that the police are

acting unconstitutional yeah so whatever there they were you know they're like vampires you have to invite them in those are the rules well that is alex but his magical rule yeah great or mad lesser magic yes so now we get to our second piece of shit guest of the day and that's Joel scousin hey we got the scousin we got the scowlin scousin in here who alex has already said believes as a false flag right we know that because it's a fucking dude thinks everything's yeah yeah anyway here's Joel i think alex it's very clear that the two brothers were involved in some type of false flag training and operation but it was clear to them that when they showed up and when the bombs went off and they fled and by the way we have video of the younger brother

fleeing with his backpack on him so we know that what the FBI said about him dropping his pack could not have been true what a shock Joel scousin thinks something's a false flag this guy's a broken record literally everything that has ever happened in the world is part of some grand conspiracy to him it's so fucking funny that alex presents him as an expert in any field other than saying things are false flags i'll concede that he's got that down better than anyone else i've ever seen in the days just after the bombing scousin was on his show on alex's show and he said that this had the signs of a false flag and now he's upgraded his confidence level i don't give a shit about any of that because here's the thing Joel scousin is a goddamn liar he said in that

clip there's a video of joe har leaving the area of the boston bombing still carrying his bag and that is a complete lie there is no video or pictures of this he is just full of shit and i actually know what he's talking about uh but he's trying to hide on april 19th the associated press released a picture of joe har fleeing the scene of the crime the picture was taken by a businessman from florida named david green who had finished the marathon about an hour before the bombs went off he hung around the finish line to watch the waves of runners come in but his phone was dying so he went to a charging station and as he was returning to his friends the blast happened he saw a chaotic scene so he took a picture and then immediately started helping people

a friend texted him to ask if he was okay and green replied by sending the picture and saying that he was right there when the fbi released the pictures of the suspects this friend reviewed the picture to see if there was anything unusual in it and he saw joe har in the lower left corner he told green who sent the picture off to the fbi he then contacted the ap who vetted the picture and released it this picture clearly shows joe har without his backpack but internet sleuths decided that someone must have photoshopped the image to take out the backpack there's no evidence that this is you can't do that there's no evidence that this is the case and the same original high resolution image was submitted to the ap and the fbi the conspiracy theorists can't

quite decide who to blame whether it was green or the fbi who did the photoshopping but the result was a good number of internet bullshit targeting david green is possibly being in on a terrorist attack that killed his fellow citizens like for real this is repulsive shit these these fuckers are like the eye of sauron like once the eye is on you it's all of their power combined into this fucking it's a mess oh god that this because you can find out if it's photoshopped it's not even it's not even that hard if you have technical ability with it and instead they just wave it away and just say like no it's it was photoshopped that's i'm done and this is what scows is talking about when he says that there's video of joe har leaving with his bag there isn't

yeah there's an unhinged completely unproven internet conspiracy about how a picture of joe har without his bag is photoshopped this coward doesn't even have the wherewithal to present his bullshit sincerely just keep hiding behind lies of the weakness of your evidence doesn't show too clearly bullshit that he that's but i mean it feels like even if you pointed that out he'd be like aha the evidence is that there isn't a video of him without his back like what what what are you fucking talking about try that and yeah well they photoshopped it out of the video too and it's like what then fine magic is real whatever yeah so a alex has been sort of trying to softly and subtly go from tamerlin's mother says that the fbi called right it's truth right

right i called yeah and jules scousen's gonna help out quite a bit with that because he's just treating that fbi call as a fact i think it was interesting though that the police or the fbi called um a couple of days after that and and uh and talked to them and in yet they didn't arrest them immediately and uh i don't know if they wanted them to flee i'm still unclear alex what this mit cop had to do or the carjacking had to do with this so the fbi call is not an established fact and and guess what the carjacking and the murder of the mit cop make perfect sense outside of your conspiracy yeah they make absolute sense with reality yeah yeah why are you why are you i'm still i'm still trying to make up a narrative around why that stuff makes sense within my

conspiracy theory because if i were to like i mean there are obviously reasons that those would make sense but now within the context of what i'm telling you is that's deeply over complicating things really got to figure out whether or not the the moon hit the mirror right and that's what sent the mit cop to kill himself yeah and then they i don't know so um alex lays out the conspiracy here again and again i i want to stress i believe that this is him practicing telling the story they were saying white house officials former white house officials axelrod and others tuesday night they said look it's it's going to be lone wolf domestics by themselves by wednesday they said we got them some big announcement it's going to be the tea party

they had a celebration on msnbc cnn i have the clips i played them they said yeah this is going to look like it's lone wolf right wing because they can't help it brag to themselves and then something that we and others that became the number one thing search on the web that day put out freak them out they withdraw it they say okay they're hadn't been in arrest they evacuate the courthouse where it's at army vehicles drive in drive out there's a panic they throw all the media out and then the next day they released thursday the photos and say look at nothing else is this a false flag that completely blew up in their face and they had to switch to a backup plan that's a question well not knowing the the complexities of this i know that they're

ad-libbing on the spot and that's a lot of what they were dealing with right here so what we have here is alex practicing telling the story of what happened he's going over the beats of the story and you can hear him connecting the dots as he goes along but there are some problems for one i thought he changed the narrative to this being a thing where they wanted to blame the seals initially but now it seems like he's back to the they plan to blame right wingers was that april 19th episode a bottle episode of alex's show where he throws out a whole new storyline about how it was all about the seals now the lockdown was to clean up the patsies because it seems like we're supposed to have forgotten all about that show look it was it was so they panned out at the

end of that episode and there was an autistic child with a snow globe dan that's how that episode worked you didn't you didn't see the last part of it didn't so secondly alex has never played those clips of the media celebrating that they know it's going to be a lone wolf right wing terrorist guy this is the second stage of the you can look it up misdirection when he says you can look it up it's to train the listener to never feel they need to look something up this other one i've played the clips isn't attempt to convince the listener that he's actually played the piece of evidence that he hasn't eventually through repetition he can gaslight people into assuming he's demonstrated all this stuff and they must have missed the episode it's

like what you were bringing up earlier what you were feeling one of the benefits of listening to this like every day of his show is that i can see very confidently that alex has never substantiated this claim that the media was salivating that it was a right winger but he's repeatedly claimed that he's played the clips third and most interestingly joel scousen seems to think that these globalist bad guys got trained out of false flag by del close does he fucking think that these people are just up there improvising does he not understand how stupid that sounds like all right guys let's do years long cultivation of this tamerlan guy involving complicated operations to get him in and out of the country secretly culminating him bombing the uh boston marathon

all right sounds good then what after that we wing it i mean dan but there's something to be said about a unique performance you know that's it like in like in theater you know there are certain things you get bored by the performance then you have a fun mess up and you get reinvigorated to do it all over again this it's another thing that you can only have happened once it's a unique event bullshit oh yeah this level of characterization of your bad guys is cartoonish like for real joel scousen doesn't get enough grief for me on a regular basis maybe because it's kind of funny that he hates trump in the present day and alex has to put up with it because all of his other experts won't talk to him anymore but let's not lose sight of the fact that joel

scousen could fuck off oh this guy sucks yeah so we have two motives now for the bombing pechenics motive and wane medsons motive um scousen has his own okay it sucks okay i think the number one motive for this is that it had been a long time since we'd had another one of these high-profile terror attacks remember we don't have any normal terrorism in the united states normal terrorism would look like people coming across the border among the thousands of illegal aliens that come across daily and they'd be blowing up electrical pylons they'd be putting setting off suicide bombers in malls small non-high-profile things these high-profile things are always a sign that there is something to be gained that's right real terrorists hit train tracks that's right

so as if you need more evidence this joel scousen's a dunce here he is asserting that the motive the goblists need to pull out this boston bombing as a false flag is because we haven't had any terrorism for a while that is a freeders dwarf level take right there dan it's been a while since we had one let's toss him on the yeah okay i'm gonna leave aside his ideas about real versus fake terrorism oh because it's racist to shit well it might be there might be undertones of it but even if it isn't it's still just i don't even care i'm going to leave aside also terrorist attacks aimed at other countries that absolutely do affect our country's interests since that list would be too gigantic and they probably wouldn't fit whatever nonsense criteria joel's using here

i know that definitions of terrorism might vary but what about sandy hook what about the aurora shooting what about christopher dorner's rampage what about that nazi who shot up a seek temple in wisconsin what about the attempted assassination of gabriel giffords that left six dead and 15 wounded i would personally consider all of these to be acts of terrorism to some extent they produce terror in the community right whether or not these specific acts hadn't identified political motivation i would say that in early 2013 particularly after sandy hook no one needed to be reminded what terror looked like uh were there any trains involved no not terrorism and then were there any does this telecommunications company is this fucking dumb dumb not remember

that we're like six months removed from the attack in ben gazi yeah it's been six months what the fuck does he like where does he get off going on a nationally syndicated radio show and pretending to be an international affairs expert while he spouts completely meaningless bullshit like this they orchestrated the bust and bombing because it's been too long to do with a terror attack it's the fuck out of here with this it's the classic stained motive it's been a while so dumb so now we get to a clip that i i'm personally enjoy okay and that is it's it may be one of my favorite genres of alex's uh uh coverage and that is when he's swimming and he uncovers something sort of detective alex at the swimming hole i mean i listen to local talk radio and they're

talking like i am almost every caller's agreeing i was swimming laps out at martin springs this weekend a group of military guys and their wives and they were like special ops guys you know they were in great shape we're talking about and they couldn't even see me you know i was sitting there with a towel on my head and i just got there and and i was laying out you know under a tree and tell me more about talking about oklahoma city being an inside job and what kind of this was an inside job and when i talked to him when they didn't even know who i was so everywhere is the buzz that this was staged i don't believe anything about this i don't even believe alex went swimming i don't believe that either i i was out the moment he said i was swimming laps i was like

you're full of shit i got to say though you swim up to the pool bar and back away from the alex's to be believed barton springs is one of the biggest hotbeds for like special secret information absolutely being bandied about casually it is amazing how much secret information is a block away from his house it is so much secret out there and lay under a tree and you're going to hear something classified you can't walk with you can't throw a stone without hitting a classified piece of information also i love that his justification for them being special ops is they were in great shape great shapes so they were clearly in special ops cool and he was under they couldn't even see him just they weren't they weren't fucking with me i had a towel over i was

and they couldn't see me but i was laying under a tree it was an oak tree i remember that because of one of the little acorns fell on top of my towel head and they but they didn't know i said and then they knew it was me but that's when they oh man ridiculous me so this next clip is just just for posterity it doesn't really have a whole lot to do with the current affairs that we're talking about but it's interesting that here in 2013 alex and jules scousen are both pretty clear that budin has done some bad stuff okay now i want to make one point very clear that mainstream media continues to put out the propaganda the yes when they're talking about russia assisting the fbi in this investigation how russia has been the victim of

chetan terrorism as well this is absolutely untrue is that almost all of the chetan terrorism or terrorism in russia the apartment buildings the brezlin bombings of the school that was put in to get reelected they were blamed on chetans were in fact carried out by russian speakers not chetans so alex completely does not agree with this in the present yeah he doesn't we're all over the place within like a year or two after this he's saying that putin didn't do that man yep he must be happy that he doesn't have to that the the news is not focused on bolson arrow probably assassinating somebody yeah he's he hasn't he hasn't had to worry about that one so uh joel goes further down this road and it is also it's pretty embarrassing to hear this sort of

thing considering the rhetoric that alex would put out a very short time after this the russians have been running the chetans as their false flag operations just like we've been running the middle eastern muslims as our false flag operations in this country now they're kind of merging the two they're making it a worldwide war on terror this may have some other ramification in terms of bringing in more of this false propaganda that russia is our ally in the world on terror in the war on terror they're still planning a disarmament uh tree another one yet again on rush even though they have yet to comply with the last new start treaty it seems like our government is just insisting on proving to the american people the russians are our friends that there's no threat

there that we're fighting a common terror enemy well that sounds exactly like alex's angle uh a couple years later yeah that's pretty much it wow that's weird so uh we end alex's run here on the 22nd with joel scows and applauding alex for his great work of course alex i want to applaud what you're doing i know you're taking a lot of flak for what's going on but that means you're effective when the orilies who are perennial conspiracy deniers or even glenn beck who's you know a good guy considers himself a patriot but he's the conspiracy denier and it's a real problem you're at the forefront of this so conspiracy deniers conspiracy denier glenn beck he has to walk very carefully around because glenn beck uh it has some connections with uh like he's a big

w clion scousen guy really so he has some connection with the scousen family he like he's very into uh the scousen anti-communist work so how do these joel knows not jobs what do you mean i mean yeah that's i would oh man when they do background checks that it shouldn't be drug convictions it should be what kind of questionable literature choices to have you made about whether or not your fucking anti-government are you big into weirdo yeah exactly like uh what's your favorite book unintended consequences ha ha caught you get the fuck out of here yeah so alex ends uh on this and he leaves uh about three and a half hours into the show and has jacari jackson and david night come in to take calls for the uh rest of the show another half hour right because he's you know

there's no longer he had to take a shit there's no longer a frenzy going on so he doesn't have to do six hour long shows anymore he's back to the four hours uh in overdrive and i just want to play a little bit of this because there's a big thing going on in the world and here's some of the calls here's the first one i'm the constitution bill of rights new sticker idea guy i think all should run the bill of rights as a new sticker uh at the bottom of your screen uh but i wanted to point out something about the constitution everybody's trying to mess with it and i'm going to tell you the bill of rights itself says in the first four articles the first letter the first four articles spells out the words can't i think it can't be any uh planer than that

hell yeah man what first letter of the first four says what did he say can't i don't care i mean this is just numerology level nicolas it's nicolas cage on the other line that is definitely nicolas cage so that's one caller and it's like okay i i'm the guy who came up with the idea of doing the bill of rights as a ticker underneath it okay all right this next caller is a little bit more troubling uh but he just wants to he he starts out the call with like i just want to plug something what i wanted to do is uh kind of uh plug here i've got a uh page on uh facebook that i started in a group and is uh it's called the name of it is uh the constitution is alive i'm granted i know it's not a living document but if the constitution dies so does this country

is the idea that i was going with so i will say like a man is willing to admit the flaw in his title yeah well he's like i thought it was a great title now i admit because a lot of people have pointed this out to me it's a very obvious problem a lot of people have pointed this out to me and it's too late for me to change i came up with some other options for him the first is uh the constitution is pretty cool another one he could have gone with is the president and vice president should be elected separately since i hate the 12th amendment another is uh i don't like minorities voting any of those could work yeah yeah yeah those sound uh those sound more accurate titles so i was curious so i decided to check and i actually found this facebook page it's been pretty dormant

for a while now but the last post from july 2013 is pretty telling of the sort of vibe that this guy was putting out quote to all five l's those who have gone back and forth about the mixed race oh no stop right there in parentheses he is not just black like you love to regurgitate anti-american anti every religion except islam anti freedom tyrannical puppet that occupies our white house and the sad part is you still think his shit don't stink you are what's wrong with this country that post two likes gotcha i mean i think that's good sure i think i think only two likes on that is a good that's yeah i think that's progress for the living constitution looking through this page's history it's so clearly someone who's been completely afflicted by alex jones syndrome

it's a non-stop talk about taking arms up and showing the powers that be that they are not in charge followed by insistences that he's not calling for violence it's really sad honestly like they call into alex's show and they're plugging this page and as best as i can tell it didn't do too much in terms of engagement and they just lost interest in july i would think that they just died or something maybe got arrested but they posted again in march 2015 from that post quote i still believe that we can save our country however i don't i do not believe that there's an option available without blood being spilled we all know that corruption is well rooted and not going to voluntarily remove itself we've all observed

how quickly promises made on the campaign trailer left at the curb we all know that the soap ballot and jury boxes are tattered torn and breaking into tiny pieces we all know that the only box still available is the cartridge box i do not want my children to grow up knowing what war is i do not want my children growing up not knowing me i do not want my children growing up not knowing what freedom is i will not allow anyone the opportunity to take that away from me i will with extreme prejudice and anyone standing in the way of restoring this once great nation to her proper glory i urge you all to ask yourself where your line is how much more will you take when will you decide to stop hiding online behind words and put your blood where your mouth is

he ends the post with the hashtag start the revolution this is the logical endpoint for a certain amount of people who internalize and believe alex's bullshit they're angry the enemy they imagine they're up against is supremely overpowered and every time there's a traumatic event in the world like the boston bombing they're taught anew to hate this overpowered elite cabal who were secretly the ones who carried out the attack they're given no real guidance or outlet no path toward legitimate political action only made more angry by outrage after outrage and they never could change anything anyway since the enemy they're being taught to hate is imaginary but they feel so real a person can only live in that state for so long before it becomes intolerable

some could probably deal with it by supporting alex more imagining that it's the best way they feel that they they can feel like they're making a difference yeah some probably managed to break free from the bullshit and return to a normal life but some are consumed with this anger centric worldview and end up calling for blood filled revolutions because they can't figure out any other way to deal with the imaginary enemies alex has taught them to fear i don't believe for a second that alex isn't aware that this is something that he does to people he doesn't care as long as they're out there plugging info wars that's good for traffic and if they do end up following through with their plan to kill they'll just be called false flags to demonize the patriots they'll be

used as a prop to provide the fuel alex needs to terrify and outrage the rest of his audience to continue the cycle yeah it's good so when we look at this episode and this this whole thing with the boston bombing you see like these overt lies and this this like this desperate need to take things and make them fit his narrative so he can get attention which we can absolutely see from his own words is paying off incredibly yeah ten times the amount of traffic that he was getting before just just an insane rise yeah in his notoriety and while you can look at these crass things i think it's also incredibly important to remember that there are these people one of whom who calls in on this show yeah who are being guided down a path that has no off ramp

yeah the or at least no off ramp with a sign that says hey here's the place to fucking check yourself right it's this is i'm far more concerned with the people who are the targets of alex's propaganda and ire i'm far more interested in expending the bulk of my empathy on those people but people like this guy who calls in i i don't think that i in good conscience can ignore the fact that he is a victim of alex's shit too oh absolutely and it's harder to feel a ton of empathy for him because you know he's advocating things that will end up hurting the targeted communities even more yeah and you know should he follow his ideas through to the logical conclusion he's going to end up killing people yeah and that is unacceptable well i mean

to a certain extent for this guy what i see somebody listening to alex jones is alex jones essentially has a fucking cattle prod and he is living in a constant state of agitation it like it's it's like it's like a fucking experiment of somebody constantly jolting you every time you're about to feel any comfort and about to feel like you know what it's it's really not that big a deal he pokes you again and you get jabbed again and your brain is in this constant state of excitement yeah and it drives you insane yeah like if you did that to its animal cruelty listening to alex jones yeah or if you have like the possibility of connecting with people on a larger scale like around shared experiences

shared tragedies you are led away from that yeah the only people who share your experiences are people who live in the same imaginary world you do yeah you can't process the boston bombing the way that other people do because you are completely separate you sublimate yeah this awful yeah so that's where i'm gonna leave this i think that's a good spot to leave it we see a lot of lies we see the the second stage of alex's conspiracy building operation kicking in where he attacks any information that comes out solidifies his own narrative retreats from the they were blaming seals all along apparently yeah stuff and you see the consequences i've said my piece will be back on wednesday but we have a website we do have a

website it's knowledge fight dot com yep we will be on twitter we will be on twitter we are on twitter now it's at knowledge underscore fight and that go to bed george you can find us on facebook we are on facebook if you would like to download please go to itunes reveal leave the download share then go to other podcast apps and do the whole thing all over again it'd be fun uh it's correct we'll be back uh but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i am at barton springs andy in chansas you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you