Knowledge Fight - #365: She Doesn't Do Politics

Episode Date: November 6, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan go on a Wacky Wednesday adventure to check in on the world of Jim Bakker. Given that his friend Paula White-Cain just was given an official position in the White House, it felt like it might be worth taking a look at a recent appearance on Bakker's show.

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left places. Oh, yeah. And I believe it was based on like being lost at a supermarket when I was a really young boy. Yeah. Yeah, and I did they drive away or was it just like the I think as I recall, they were still in the store, my parents were still in the store, but I was like, I don't know where it is. Yeah, like I have very visceral memories of just like, I don't know where I don't know how to get where I need to be. Right, right, right. It's terrifying. And like, I've always lived or like when I was younger in Honolulu, and then also in Columbia, Missouri, I lived close enough that I was supposed to walk to school. And so like when we lived in Hawaii, my mom was a teacher at the school that I

went to. So you know, we'd walk to school together. And then I'd stay after school while she wrapped up stuff and we'd, you know, walk back. Yeah. But then when we moved to Missouri, I was 10. So it was like in fourth grade, and had to walk to school. And I just had like a really bad sense of direction. So there would be times when I would just like try and take a slightly different route and just get completely lost. Oh, no. And I had this real fear of being kidnapped. Yeah. A very, very strong fear that everyone was trying to get sure. And so like any time you've grown out of that. Yeah. Anytime I'd be walking home from school, a car that passes any car is like they're they're going to stop. Yeah,

over there. Second location. It's all done. Such an awful sort of state to be in like constantly walking to and from school terrified of anybody who not and not sharing that fear because that would be that would be shameful as well. Oh man. There's one time when I was like probably 11 or so and I was walking home from school and I just got completely lost. Like I now in my adult brain, I can map out that neighborhood. Yeah. And I know exactly where I would have needed to go. Right. It was maybe like, I don't know, 10 blocks from my house or so. But because it was like this residential neighborhood with winding streets and offshoots, cul-de-sacs and what have you, I was just completely lost. I had no idea where

to go. And so I just started crying and I like knocked on someone's door. I don't know how to get home. It was before cell phones. My parents weren't home anyway. No, of course. Yeah, I was like sort of latchkey-ish existence. Yeah. And so the person that was there was super nice. And I, you know, hey, I'm 35 now. I still really appreciate it. Yeah. We'll send them a card. Very non-judgmental, very just like, oh my God, let's get you where you, let's get you home. And so I got home. But yeah, no, I very, very strong fears when I was much younger of being lost. And I still, I guess I'm a little bit now, but with the advent of cell phones and like maps and stuff, it's, it's pretty tough to be fully lost if your phone is charged. It really is. It really

is. It requires a bunch of things to go wrong in the lead up. Sometimes you could still end up in a place where it's like, well, I know where I am, but there's not much I can do about that. Really far away from a train station or if you lose your job. Sure. You know, it's tough, but those fears of lessened with age. Yes. Yeah. So this is a podcast where I know a bit about the feeling of being left somewhere, I guess. And I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I know quite a bit about the first and not very much about the second. So Jordan, today, we are doing a wacky Wednesday episode. We're going to explore a little something and see what we find. But before we get down to business on that, I'd like to take a little moment and say thank you to some folks who have signed

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idea what context it was in, but I like being reminded of that. I recall it was probably something about I was talking about the French open. Probably dismissing the game of tennis. Wow. Yes, naturally. So if you're out there listening, you're thinking, Hey, I like what these guys do. I'd like to support the show. You can do that by going to our website, knowledge fight.com. There's a button on there. It says for the show goes to our Patreon and you can help make this show possible. It would be lovely. So Jordan today, like I said, Waggy Wednesday. Yes. So it's been a while since we checked in on the world of the Jim Baker show. Yes, it has. And the main reason for that is his show is dumb as shit. Right. It's

so profoundly boring to listen to. And it's so incredibly rare for Jim or one of his guests to say anything that I think even merits looking into. Like if he's going to have people like Steve quail or Tom Horn coming in, talking about the giant giants and angels. They're not the baseball teams with a thin back. Fantastic. Fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a whole lot I can do with stuff like that. But the reality is that the Jim Baker show is the media offshoot of a manipulative abusive money cult. He feeds off his audience in tremendously cynical ways. And even if his show is boring and half the shit that's said on the show can't possibly even be shown to be true or false. I think it's still important to check

in from time to time, particularly when his world intersects with reality. At the end of last week, it was announced that Trump had appointed mega church scammer and Jim Baker associate Paula White Kane as to an official position in the White House. She had previously been a spiritual advisor to him, but it was announced that she was now officially working in the office of public liaison. If you'd like to learn more about Paula's fuller story, we did an episode about her called heresy and God Kings, which you can find in our archives where we talk about her churches and all that stuff for now suffice it to say that she is a prosperity gospel preacher who made millions of dollars by scamming her followers. She advocated

the principle of first fruits where you need to send her all the money that you make in January to make sure that you make even more money the rest of the year, which is cool. That's that's still one of my makes sense. One of my most incredible like, I got to give it up to you. It's really hard to just say that. Yeah, you know, yeah, like that's a that's Jedi level just like, Hey, if I say this enough, I'm going to make millions of dollars. That's crazy. It's a startling level of cynicism. Yeah, you're demonstrating in that. And it's one thing to say that you'll gain future blessings if you give her one 12th of the money you make in a year. That's shitty and awful, but at least it's just an offer. But in reality, the way Paula preaches it, the first fruits thing

is a threat. She said, quote, when you honor this principle, it provides the foundation and structure for God's blessings and promises in your life. It unlocks deep dimensions of spiritual truths that literally transform your life. When you apply this, everything comes in divine alignment for his plan and promises for you. When you don't honor it, whether through ignorance or direct disobedience, there are consequences. There are consequences. So fuck Paula White Kane. Yeah, she's a giant piece of shit. She's one of the most transparent scam artists in the field of televangelism. And the fact that Trump would give her a job in the government is so unsurprising, but so profoundly offensive. Yeah, considering he's one of the most transparent scammers in

government. Yes. So in the middle of October, last month, yeah, Paula White Kane was a guest on Jim Baker again. Okay. And we're going to listen to a little bit of that here today. And you know, it's going to be, you know, we're going to get off in side topics and what have you. And as we do just remember, this is a person who officially works in the government now. Yeah. So here is Jim Baker. Well, actually his daughter giving the introduction to the show. Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker show coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA Today's guest is the senior pastor of New Destiny Christian Center, Pastor Paula White Kane. Our co-host today is Mondo de la Vega. I'm Tammy Sue Baker.

And now please give a warm welcome to my parents and the host of the Jim Baker show, Jim and Laurie Baker. Thank you, Tammy Sue Baker. It's a very, very small point, very small point. Why does Jim Baker say thank you, Tammy Sue Baker? I was just thinking the same thing. Do you not know her? Why do you use your daughter's last name? What is going on? That's so formal. So bizarre. Why not say miss Tammy Sue Baker for God's sake? Yeah. Thank you, Ms. Baker. That's your daughter. Thank you, Sue. I'm sure they have a great relationship. It just seems very strange. Thank you, Tammy Sue Baker. Thank you, Tammy Sue Baker. It's almost like he's, he's incapable of not doing an ad. You know, like this is, I'm making sure that you get full,

full credits in the, in the fucking show. Yeah, I don't know exactly, but I don't want them to think it's some other Tammy Sue. I don't know why, but that really was a hang up for me. I was listening. I had to listen to that a couple of times. Just like, am I weird or is that weird? I've decided it's weird. That's weird. Could have just said Tammy. Right. Didn't even have to say the soup part. Right. I would, I would feel like, okay, one time my dad did a like religious studies themed radio show back in Columbia, Missouri. Yeah. And I was a guest on it once. And if, if he was introducing me and he was like, I guessed is my son Dan freezing, I would feel weird. My son Daniel more. It's not like it's not like he's introing you to do 45. No, no.

My son, the great comedian, Dan freezing. Even that works for me. I'd be fine with that. Even if he was, I would still feel weird. It's just formal. Anyway, maybe I just get over this and get down to business. We could. So Paula White Kane is on the show primarily to promote her new book. Yeah. She has a new book out called something more that is apparently the best. How much she would like. Yeah. That's fair point. I would like something more please. She has changed Lori Baker's life with this book because it is so damn good. Sure. And honestly, I think that there's a little bit of a vibe that goes throughout this episode that Jim is a little bit peeved at how much Lori likes this book. This is, I think your favorite book of all times. I gotta tell you honestly.

I'm serious. And we, you know, we have a lot of books. We do. We have a huge library. Lori has already read this book. She loves it so much. She's read it twice. Right. And she's told it to me a dozen times every day. She said, you realize what she said? She told this and she told the stuff. She said, I thought she'd never tell this. You've told it all in this book. Well, you know what? Here's the only way I know how to be is very authentic, very real, very open, very raw. It was the hardest thing I've ever done, but the most rewarding thing I've done. It took me nine years, two years to write. It took you nine years to write this book. What were you like? She was just on like maybe nine, 10 months before this on Jim Baker's show,

pushing her other book about esters. Yep. Yep. It's, if she, if she's written a book, I will eat my own shit. Well, I mean, technically, I don't have any evidence that she didn't write this book. I know. I'm just saying that if she did, I don't know how she is my own shit. I don't know. You don't want to make those sort of promises. She has. Let me see the fucking manuscripts. I don't know how she is the time. Quite frankly, I know she doesn't write that could be. So in her book, she talks about her path through life, her early childhood. And for the most part, I'm going to try and stay away from like her personal stuff, right? Because I don't, I don't know if it's really all that interesting or all that relevant. Right. I assume she tortured animals

as a child. That's not the book. Are you sure? I haven't read it, but I mean, doesn't come up. I find her story has to be at least identical to John Wayne Gacy's, but there was just like a different fork in the road. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know about anything in her book, except for what they talk about. Right. And mostly it just seems like, I don't know. She was living in a trailer and then she got divorced a couple of times and about a bang, about a boom. Here we are. She studied some Bibles and yay. Sure. Sure. Sure. But who cares? So she gets into in this next clip, getting kind of emotional talking about praying at the inauguration, Trump's inauguration after the 2016 election. But when I got there, Jim and Laurie, I stopped and I just said,

God, I looked up the heaven. I said, only you and I stopped everything I had to do, everything I needed. And I was so present with God in that moment thinking it's like my whole life flashed before me. Here's this former messed up Mississippi girl lived in a trailer that they called trailer trash. Daddy committed suicide, got pregnant out of wedlock, been married, been divorced, not just once, you know, twice. I mean, all this, not everything that people said disqualified me, everything, but God said, I have called you to shake nations. And I'm standing there, the most powerful nation in the world, invoking the name of Jesus. And I said, I don't care what they say about me, history will have to write that it was a woman of God, a female clergy that history will

record the name Paul the white cane prayed for the first time as a female clergy over this nation. It's all in the book. It's all in the book. That feels a little narcissistic. That feels a little bit like this is about me as opposed to other things. Dan, why would you why would you think that? I got a strong vibe in that direction. And Paula's kind of getting this title of first woman clergy member to pray at the inauguration thing on a technicality. After he won the 2012 election, President Obama had Meryl Evers Williams deliver a prayer at the inauguration. She was the former chair of the NAACP and was a noted civil rights activist, though she was not technically a reverend or a preacher. Given that Christianity is largely based on the idea that all people have access to

God and there's no need for the old structures where the clergy are intermediaries to contact the divine. I'm not sure that Paula's claim of being the, you know, the, you know, this big first really means all that much. I would argue that none of the things that she has said in that are true, except for a little bit. But even then it's she's doing like, I'm sure some of the details of her life are true. And I'm sure I'm sure that there is like an emotional narrative arc to her life that I don't want to like demean because like the idea that she did like come from whatever humble beginning, however much truth there may be to that, as compared to how she experienced that being the truth, to the point that she's at now, that's her life and great. Right. But

the other, it doesn't, it doesn't strike me as healthy to have someone be like, oh, this is all about God when it's really just your life story. And this feeling of narcissism that runs behind it, the history books will have to remember the name Paula White Kane. That was, that was the thing that I was listening to. Yeah. Her entire little speech there was like obviously fake crying. Probably. Oh, maybe better trained than the Alex Jones school of fake crying. It's like a failed comedians become right wing commentators and bad actress can become this. But then, then it got real. It got very genuine when she started talking about how history is going to have to remember her fucking name. That's when it got,

that's when I was like, you feel that and it was not emotional. It was fucking, it does seem I own this now. I dominated you world. Right. And so that is that I did believe. Yeah. And you know, you had a woman who gave the gave a prayer at the inauguration before that. So now you have to like move the goalposts a little first woman clergy member, which she's not technically, I don't know. Anyway, anyway, the left, right? Sure. The feminists. Oh, they're coming. They should be thrilled with Paula because she was the first woman parentheses clergy member made up clergy. You're the first woman, the first clergy that a woman that's ever prayed at inauguration ever was like, I, and Laurie, you think the woman's livers would have been thrilled? Oh,

are you kidding me? You would think the old asshole, you think the women's livers would be thrilled when they're done burning their bras? Yeah, that's that's a 80 year old man expressing disdain with the we gave him the right to vote. Yeah. You think the suffragettes would really be rallying behind you, but they show their hypocrisy. Elizabeth Katie Stanton won't shut up now. Will she? All right, Jim, calm down. So Laurie loves this book. It's going to probably shock a lot of you. No, it's not. It's time. It's fine. It's time for ministers to you through her, her story. You minister nonstop. That's because that's who you are. And here's what I love the very most about you is I love how you love Jesus. Amen. I love how you love him.

Amen. How you're so in love with him. Amen. That when all else fails, we have him. Amen. That's a very comforting thought. That was some good Laurel and Hardy two man game right there. First banana, second banana. That was going. That was going pretty well. Yeah. So all this is like the first half of his show is just selling this book. Yeah, like I understand that there's with God's will. But I mean, you could make an argument, I suppose that some of the presentation is that this book highlights biblical principles or something. And then you could say by proxy, you're being a religious program. But in reality, in function and in form, this is an infomercial for her book. Yeah, that is all that's going on. You are truly the greatest woman preacher I have

ever heard. Amen. And I believe with all my heart, that's here. I've seen and heard the best. Yeah, you have a gift. Yes. I feel bad for Tammy Faye. I feel bad for Sojourner Truth. Hold on. Hold on. Oh boy. And your gift doesn't leave you when your marriage breaks up. It doesn't leave you when people, when the FBI comes to try to put you in prison. She won all that, by the way. Yes. But this is why I want you to read this book. Yes. And I'm really, really angry by what happened to you. Because I've been there and done a lot of that. God never throws us out. Amen. He's talking about like people investigating him for financial malfeasance. I've been there. I cheated on a lot of shit, too. So I know how you're going. How did you beat it, though? That's what I'm really into. When he

went to prison. This book is so good. I mean, this book is great. How did you beat it? I might need you. Yeah. Yeah. There is a real sense to throughout this interview of them being like, yeah, look, the IRS and the feds are trying to snatch us up for this crime. And look, I can make crimes, which is not those ones. Yeah. There's a weird feeling of like they're trying to get me for A, but I'm doing D. And I feel bad about the sins that are B, but it's wild. So look, Paula's been through a lot in her life and I'm not going to sit here and make fun of her for personal struggles. But I am going to critique the use of those personal struggles in order to sell her book in Jim Baker's show. I mean, we get attacked in every area that you can imagine, but God

had given you prophetic word and said, everything around you will be shaken and everything around you will fall, but you will remain standing in a merge with strength. And I'm telling you, it is not over for you. You need this book. You need this series because when you get it, you are going to discover the God who before you ever entered into your mother's womb had already ordained all of your days and your story ends in God's glory. And I'm promising you that in this somewhere you're going to find, whether I'm your best friend, your sister, your mentor, your coach, your pastor, that we're going to hold hands together because it is not my story. It's God's story through my life and through your life, how we can make it through it. Wow. This is like,

to me, right on the cusp of like what I'm uncomfortable with, because there is a part of it that is I have a lived experience. I wrote about it. And you know, if you buy my book, maybe it'll help you with something you're going through. Yeah, I don't really think it's that bad. But I know enough about her and Jim Baker that I think it's bad. Yeah. The surrounding context makes it way crasser and way more manipulative than it would be if just somebody else were saying those things because I think you can get a lot out of memoir. I think a lot of people who've been through experiences that mirror yours or ones that are far more extreme than yours, but highlight certain lessons in life. Yeah, I think there's a lot you can gain from that for

sure. I just I just don't think that this is a good place for it. I mean, I find it incredibly disgusting. Yeah, because I have been to so many different places where people genuinely believe so hard and all of this shit. And they do not. They just don't give a shit about any of the I can you can hear her words cloaked in like fucking weird imitation of an actual believer. You know, it feels that way. And she's she's so fucking slimy. She's slimy. Every time she speaks, I feel like ooze falling off of her words. She's gonna get worse. She's gross. I can say that I don't think that that behavior is implicitly gross or manipulative. But it is in the context of this because we know that she's somebody who asks for your January paycheck or there'll be

consequences. Yeah, we know that she's Trump's spiritual advisor. And we know, or at least I know what's coming up. So I can say very confidently, although on first glance, that doesn't seem to be that bad. Yeah. Pat is is going to drop in with a couple n bombs. No, not that bad. But this book, like I said, it's changed Lori Baker's life. So changed your life. This book. Yes, Laurie. Yes, you live on a beat up. Yes, you've had divorce. You've had, you know, you went out of her. I mean, this is a she was a wild woman. She got drugs beyond anything. And the heart breaks in her life. And yet, when she first got saved, they asked her to be an angel that fly Phoenix first time. And so and she wouldn't even be an angel at first. She says,

I'm not good enough to be an angel. You know, she says, I'm not an angel, but you are an angel, my angel, but you as she is this book, you tell women that have had abortion, women have had anything and gone through anything. This book is going to let you know that God does not walk away. He does not. He's not letting Lori speak for herself. Oh, yeah. That much. I have noticed that trend. He seems to be talking over her a lot whenever talking about her personal experiences, which doesn't make me feel all that comfortable. He's very much talking about her like she's not there and then suddenly remembering that she's there or not even recognizing that she's there when she's talking. That goes on throughout this episode. Drugs more than anything. She did.

My wife did a ton of drugs like PCP. She did go. Oh, shit. Hey, how you doing? You're an angel. You're an angel. She loved it. heroin. You name it. There's nothing wrong with doing drugs. Absolutely not wrong with taking lessons from earlier mistakes to inform your future life. Anything like that. I'm not interested in beating people up for reclaiming negative experiences and turning them positive. I don't like this mentality though. People don't value our brokenness, right? But you're not even qualified until you walk with a limp. That's it. You're not even material until you've been processed. I don't know if I appreciate the idea that she's putting forth that you're not qualified to be in a ministerial role unless you

have some sort of a trauma based initiation into being the, I don't even know what you like. That's offensive. Okay. So what happens is you go to the church after Sunday service. It's about two, three o'clock and then the rest of the elders, the deacons and the like, they all circle around you and start punching you until you yell enough serial names. Sure. And then you are eligible to be in the clergy. It does have that feel to it because like what if you haven't suffered some horrible trauma, but you feel called to the ministry? Boo, get him out of here. Or do you have to then manufacture a trauma in order to become eligible to be a part of the cloth? Well, I mean, you could also just read a lot of Stephen King novels and get really scared.

I don't think that qualifies. I think that qualifies. No. That's a limp. No. Remember, it's not. I don't, I don't like that mentality. I do take on how to limp and that wasn't it. I think that what she's trying to express is that you aren't your back, your past damages, your past traumatic experiences. And that you like, it feels like what's intended to be said there is a reclamation kind of thing. I'm being overly generous. Yeah. But if you, if you hear it that way, good, you know, like if the message is just because, I don't know, I got divorced when I was younger, that doesn't mean that I'm not good enough to do whatever I need to do or whatever I'm called to do or whatever I'm trying to do. That's a positive message.

But when it's expressed as in order to get to that role, it's a prerequisite that you have trauma. Yeah. Then I think it's kind of, it's the inverse of what I think the message is supposed to be. Right? Yeah. All I'm, all I'm hearing her say is like the, the only way that, like almost again, as though she's the intermediary as opposed to everyone having an open relationship with God, she is the intermediary because you are unqualified. You, you've been fine. You don't have that terrible trauma. You can't really talk to God. It's not until you've had that serious good shit, you know, that's whenever you get to really fucking speak for him with a capital H. Maybe. So they're selling this book and it's not just words in the book. I should tell you,

there are pictures. Oh, okay. And there's pictures in this book, people. There are pictures that have ever, ever been released. Color pictures. Look at there. There she is, the president. I love these pictures. Very rare to get color pictures. I know, by the way, everybody. It's rare to get color pictures. What are we fucking doing? We're selling a book. This is bad. We're selling a book and not just that with this set of knives. We will also add in for, and we're going to have to put a clock on this stand. Color pictures. It's going to get so much worse. So Jim Baker, he's been in the halls of power, right? Sure. Now he's talked to presidents. Yes. Before he went to prison. And prison guards. He has talked to both in the highest halls of power. And Lyndon LaRouche,

while he was his cellmate in prison. So he knows that a lot of like the high end people don't like people like him. Right. But Trump does. Well, I know what real high high church type church people sometimes. They don't want to be around us. Scammer. You know, charismatic type people. Feeds. And so he loved spirit filled fire. God, he would always watch your program. He would watch. I mean, he watched the most on fire Holy Ghost preaching and the first he told me he watched it. He watched my show over the years. I mean, I've been on for way back. Listen, when the first words out of his mouth when I get and I go on here, so Robin, his receptionist gets on the line and talk about loyalty to this day, their employees around him that have been with them, the people in my building

and I have a Trump building. Then we go into detail into that because every false thing that people think I go into detail what built because you can't buy trust. You can't buy loyalty. And I say how God forged that relationship. She lives in a Trump building. Really, she has a home in one of the Trump buildings, which is a weird thing to say and then accuse people of fake news and then say you can't buy loyalty, but you have like really expensive and then you get a job in the administration of the guy who you purposefully bought the and there's some sort of, I don't know how substantiated there are, but there are some reports flying around that Trump wanted to start a mega church with her. Of course. And so like, I mean, of course, it's a great. It's a great

operation. Yeah, great, great scam. He keeps, he keeps losing money working with properties. He didn't even realize you could just say you owe me money or you'll die and that's fine. Yeah. He didn't realize that. Perfect. Yeah. So you noticed that I think the exact thing that's like the high end religious people, people in these halls of power don't want to hang out with us charismatic. Well, yeah, there's a reason you you're embarrassing, but not just that. He literally described it using charismatic type people, confidence men. It's the he's used. He couldn't stop himself from finding synonyms for the thing that he is. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that, uh, yeah, good. I prefer a society where serious people don't want to be associated with people

like this. Like it's, it's a better, it's better if that wall exists. Yeah. Build that wall. So Paula starts talking about Trump going to church, right? He goes to these churches and sometimes they're just not about Jesus enough. Really? I mean, he'll tell me like, I went to this church, he goes, Ah, Paula, so boring. He goes, he was, I went because I wanted to hear about Jesus. He said, they talked about their dog and stuff. He's like, he's like, I want to hear about Jesus. And I said, there's a whole nother side that yes, but you might see the public person. He's strong. Don't, don't get me wrong. I mean, I would never get in the boxing ring with him. That's for sure. You know, he, he doesn't start the fight, but he probably will finish it. You know,

so, and I think we need someone like that right now. Absolutely. You know, that's what, uh, the Bible advocates for. Hey, when times get tough, get a boxer. Turn the other cheek hide your right hook. Uh, yeah. And it's interesting to me that you're like, yeah, you know, he goes to these churches, everyone's talking about their dog. Uh, Jim, you've been selling a book for half an hour. I wanted to hear about Jesus. No, we're going to sell this book first. Now Jesus is in the book, but we're going to talk mostly about this book. I love that she has apparently been given carte blanche, uh, to just lie about whatever the president does. But that's what she does. I know she's in the office of public liaison because Jordan, let's just break this down.

This is a crass attempt to appeal to evangelicals. Yes. Like this is, this is like all this is, is an attempt to like really pull that base back together and solidify it because that's the one of the only shots there is for this election cycle is like making the, that end of Christianity really, really afraid of losing this election. Yeah. And so what she's doing here on this show is like this is campaigning. Yep. There's no way around it. This is every part of this is disgusting surrogate. Yep. You got it. You also sell her book. She's brilliant. Yes. She has nailed this shit. Now about that book. Yeah. It's written by a woman. Are there pictures in it? There are. Color pictures, which is very rare. It's written by a woman. Okay. Right. And it's changed this

woman's life. Right. Laurie Baker's life. How though? She lives in a compound. Here's the thing. Jim, Jim's like, might be a chick book. I don't think it's a chick book, but it's a chick book. If I can I say, I don't know. Cause it's a book. I read it. I really do. I want the men to read it, but I every woman, I promise you it's a page turner. Broken women should read it. Whoa. Through things should read it. I love the idea that he's saying that this is a chick book. Maybe it's not. It's a chick book. It's a chick book. And then he talks over Laurie, which he's trying to recommend the book. Like it's very disrespectful. The amount that he talks over his wife and introduces his daughter as Tammy Sue Baker. Yeah. Very weird. These familial

relationships just don't feel very close. I don't, I don't want to say that there's no love there because I'm sure there is, but the, the, you don't have to be sure there is. There could be none and it would be fine. Right. But I don't have any evidence of that. And it's, it'd be very disrespectful and inappropriate. Yeah. I just think that the indications you see here are like there's, if there is a very strong family unit, it doesn't translate to the show. There is a, there is sort of a separation of on show behavior and off air behavior that must be there or else this just seems like just weird. These people related relate to each other and it just is, it's gross. It's gross. I, I, if you put it in this term, this is basically their office.

I know plenty of offices with complete strangers who love each other far more than these people. This is a weird business situation. These guys, these guys are in a company. That's, that's what they are. Yeah. So, uh, I don't agree with her perception, but uh, Paula White Kane does not believe that she's in the politics game. Oh, right. And I don't consider myself to do politics. I do people. I say yes to God 18 years ago. And I tell them the story. The Lord spoke to me and said, regarding then Mr. Trump, show him who I am. This is how you reveal the, the religious con to a con man. Not fair. Not fair. This is, uh, you know, like 18 years ago, God said, get involved with this Trump guy. She goes and starts talking to him and through their relationship,

he realizes like, Oh man, religion could be a grift. Yep. And here we are. We, we made a, we made a gentleman's agreement and, uh, nothing is in writing, of course. I gave him proof of concept for, uh, anyway, um, look, this election is coming up and the whole political scene. She's not into it. It's not her thing. She does people. She does people. Of course, because it's not politics. Right. It's decades, centuries long spiritual conflict. I did not know that. It is a battle of righteousness and wickedness. And it did not start with President Trump. This has been a battle to try to take this nation. Cause if this nation goes down, I'm telling you this nation, you want to go, don't get me started. See, if this nation goes down,

so we are the hope to this world because this nation was dedicated with little white crosses that were marked along the beaches down by Virginia beach, the employment that were marked, that said, we dedicate this land to take the gospel to the nations. And once the gospel is taken to the nations, we usher into the return of the Lord. And so yes, they want this light to go dim in America because if we do not be the beacon of hope to the world and if we do not take the gospel to the world, then there is a darkness, but I believe that we are not going to go through a period where there is a 400 year of shut doors or winners were had perilous time. I believe we are ushering in the great awakening and we will see the greatest harvest ever and

there's a fight. So you're going to get me started. I think you got started. Wow. I hear there just sort of a endorsement of religious colonialism. Yeah. A belief that this is a fundamentally Christian nation. Yep. And that somehow our existence as a Christian nation is a prerequisite for the return of Jesus. Yes. I don't like that she's working in the White House. I don't understand where your issues arise. I don't like that she is working in the government. I have. I think that what she just said is something that somebody says a week before they start burning immigrants. Like that is a terrifying. It's not too different in some ways from Alex's beliefs. That's terrifying. There's long spiritual warfare between good and evil. Yeah. America is

a Christian nation. All this stuff is very, very close to what Alex believes. I wouldn't want him working in the White House either. No. But I get that people think that it's more important or that I mean to us it's more important. But if you truly believe in God, him giving a shit about an election is the same as him giving a shit about whether or not the Cowboys win. Yeah. Like it's infinite guys. To an extent. It's infinite. But the way that you get around that is that you make the argument in some way that if Trump wins, he'll be able to fundamentally reshape the entire government and turn it into the Christian government that God wants to exist on earth and has wanted for all of time. No, but he doesn't. Well, you would say that because he

didn't say it. Paula disagrees. But she's lying. Well, we could go in circles. But that's how you sell. That's how you sell the importance to it. Like, Hey, you know, in the next four years, if Trump stays in, there'll be even more Supreme Court justices that he's able to appoint. Yeah. And then what happens then? Bada bing, bada boom. All these liberal laws goes away. Go away. Voting rights act is thrown out. Throwing out who needs it controls on churches being run as scams. Johnson amendment overturned. Come on. Abortion gone. Absolutely. And we'll turn this into a utopia, Dan, for some, for a few, for, I don't know, somebody who's got millions of dollars and works in the White House. Yeah. I mean, that's not to say that Trump being in office for four

more years, that possibility would bring that about. But that's the sales pitch to the people who Paula is talking to. Of course, we can transform this country into a, well, let's not say theocracy because we believe we can't say that. We, we, that has, that's a loaded word. There's a lot of, there's a lot of words there in form and function. This could become a Christian theocracy. If you have enough time, I'm saying that's why it's life or death. If Trump loses all the good stuff that he's done gets rolled back whenever the next person comes in. So that's, that's how you turn it into something that's more important than a Cowboys game. But yes, for you and me, it does seem absurd. Yeah. It's very absurd. Yeah. That day to God is a thousand

years. Yeah. Wait, do you mean? Oh, okay. Now I got it. I was heard that. I heard, I always heard that in the other. This is a whole proof of the pudding is in the eating situation. A thousand years to God is a day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I might just be quoting a Rizzo lyric. Anyway, yeah, it shows what I care about. I'd like to read from Wu Tang 416. So, but the big thing is like this idea that Trump being in office will allow rollbacks of reproductive rights. Sure. Essentially, that's one of the major selling points. And Paula gets into that a little bit here. They want to fight President Trump because what he's standing for when you are the most pro-life president ever, you know, so when you are

looking at all these others, thank you. So let's just go biblical for a minute. The other candidates that are running pay attention. Ask God to download to you when you are willing to abort a baby at nine months. Oh, I don't like the sex. You can abort it. You kill it. That's called murder. But yet if a person is pregnant, you can double and you kill them is considered a double homicide. Now watch from a spiritual standpoint. There are only two nations that would do late term abortion. Two in this world. And one, I'm listening on it. Two. You ready? So now you know it from a spiritual North Korea and China. Paula is a damn liar. That's bullshit. She's a liar. She's just talking about people who murder. She is a liar. That's insane. So the issue that I come to is like there's

very substantive differences between providing reproductive rights even up to late term in situations, particularly where a person's life is at risk or the child would be unviable outside the womb. Those sorts of things are very different than someone murdering a pregnant woman. There's an element of the rights being violated by a murder that are not there in the conversation of, you know, let's say, electively ending a pregnancy, even if it is in the ninth month when if you give birth to the child, it'll live for a couple hours and die a painful death. No one is providing ninth month abortions for someone who's like, oh, it's going to be a boy. I wanted a girl. That doesn't happen. That is a fake talking point that she's putting forth here. But the big lie

is the two countries thing. There are seven countries in the world that allow elective abortion. You just choose to get an abortion in proper circumstances after 20 weeks and they are Canada, China, the Netherlands, North Korea, Singapore, the United States and Vietnam. She just chose to say China and North Korea because those are the two big boogie men in the anti-communist extreme right wing circles, which Jim Baker is a religious offshoot of. So it's definitely not in her interest to muddy the conversation by bringing Canada and the Netherlands into the conversation. No, no, no. It's much easier to just pretend that the only people who would allow this thing that you're against are in these countries you've already established as code words for evil.

That's bullshit. Well, just listen to their reaction of just, oh, right. Those two countries were like that. There is nothing I appreciate more than somebody who goes on a religious talk show and proclaims the word of Jesus and just happens to lie directly to everybody's face over and over and over again. Right. There is nothing more in keeping with the teachings of Christ, Dan. That was shelt. Yeah. So, you know, Alex believes that we're fighting with actual demons, yes, principalities. Of course. So does a ball of white game. So now you're looking stink for a minute spiritually. We're not wrestling against flesh and blood. And I know I'll get a lot of backlash. That's okay. Bring it on. All right. Ephesians 612 says we are wrestling

against principalities, wickedness. So with principalities, powers, darkness and wickedness. Now there are strong men that we know there's a Jezebel spirit. We know that's operating. There's a Leviathan spirit. We know that's operating. Get in your Bible and just understand. Bahamut, Belial, Abaddon. The Bible tells you what the principalities are. The Bible declares what the strong men are. If we can know it, but if we don't go in and war against it as one again, believers that have authority both in heaven and in earth, that we have power through the blood of Jesus Christ. This is not a natural battle. It's a spiritual battle. And when you look at the only other two that do late term, that is murder. I'm just dealing with one issue. I'm not even telling

you all the good things we're doing. The religious, the lower courts, the 177 appointees on lower courts, the Supreme Court justice. Look what they have done to poor Kavanaugh. I mean, seriously. Look what they've done to Kavanaugh. Oh, the poor Kavanaugh. That is disgusting. Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan. Her list of spiritual victories are, he's appointed justices. That's what she's got for the evangelical. No, this is a religious. It's political. No, this is completely separate. That's political. That's complete. No, no, he's just appointing a lot of justices to the judges, judges ships. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's religious. There's nothing more religious than that. No, no, no. No, we need to elect him so he can religiously

appoint maybe the point that she wants to make, but won't make is that part of her religious belief is political. Maybe part of the, the, the thing that she's trying to express, but won't probably for some reason is that there is a political dynamic and advocacy and action that's implied in her application of her religious beliefs. Are you trying to get rid of her tax exempt status, Dan? I don't know if she has it, honestly. I think that I don't know. I've never, I never look into those sorts of things because I think a lot of people just sacrifice their 501c3 status in order to act like Jim Baker does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I think, I think that some folks are like, fuck it. We're a TV show. We're going, we're going to go too far. We're

going to get in trouble. Let's just, why even bother? Yeah. I've already been to prison once. I don't, I don't, I know it's all a bit of a mystery to me. I would be, I would be surprised if she pays much in taxes, but I also wouldn't be surprised too much if she just said, fuck it. It's not worth it. Yeah. I find that they are, because that's one of the things that they're going to campaign on is the fact that he is appointed a bunch of justices. They're not going to campaign on him doing anything because he hasn't. Small point. Are they justices? Judges? Yeah. I don't know. That's a good question. Yeah. I don't actually know. It sounds weird to me, but I don't know. Where is it? Appeals court judge? Why is it? Why is the Supreme Court justice

greater? Yeah. Sorry. Didn't get you off track. Now, now, now, now we need to get to the bottom of this. All right. Sub episode. No, it's, it's just so nakedly hypocritical. That idea of here's what we're proud of. We're proud of him appointing judges who are going to brazenly rewrite the law to fit our religious ideology. You cannot, if you are campaigning on appointing justices, what you are really saying is I am destroying democracy through the court system. Sure. And one of the things that's so hypocritical and gross about this too is one of the things that you see so commonly in these right wing circles as an attack on Islam is to say it's not a religion. It's a political ideology. You know, they say it's a political system masked as a, as a religion.

Yeah. And I don't believe that to be true. I don't think that that is a fair attack on Islam. And I don't think it's a fair thing to say about Christianity either. But I do think that the way that Paula is engaging with some Christianity lends itself to be also a political thing. Yeah. So when, when you have these people who are attacking Islam with these specific attacks and are acting in ways that are similar to the depiction of Islam that they're putting forth, it just, it's very tough. It's very, it's very tough to swallow. It is. It's just a, it's the religious version of so much of, of like, I know exactly how we're going to malign my opponents. We're going to say they're doing what we're doing. And then no one will know. It seems

to be an incredibly effective trick. It's ridiculously effective. It seems to have such universal application. Yeah. So most of the beginning of this episode is selling Paula's book trying to move this book. It changed Lori's life, although Jim won't let her talk about it. I think, I think that may have been the way that it's changed her life. Jim is no longer allowing her to talk. So the middle part, you know, you get a little bit of Trump is great. I'm not in politics, but here's all this political shit. Yep. Then towards the end, we get big news. God has spoken to me in the last 24 hours. It was, it's time to launch my final network. And I'm, you know, going to have my 80th birthday in a few weeks.

That's unbelievable. Most people retire. Oh, really? Most people retire about that time. But God says, you're not going to retire. He just told me you're not going to retire. So it's fine as long as he gives me strength to keep going. And if he can keep, you know, Paula going, he can keep all of us going people. Amen. But so today, on this broadcast, I'm introducing what God is speaking to me next. And by the way, on New Year's Eve, I want you to listen to me. Yes. On New Year's Eve. Oh no. God woke me in the night last night about this program. On New Year's Eve. What's going on? Right. Amen. God gave me a full download of what is going to happen next. Oh God. It's so shocking. I'm not going to tell you now. I won't

tell you this week. I'm going to tell you, God willing, on New Year's Eve. It'll be my first major New Year's Eve address. So he's, what is happening? God revealed something to him back on New Year's Eve. And then now next New Year's Eve, he's going to tell you. He's going to reveal it to you. Yeah. Gotcha. This can't be a very important prophecy if it can wait. It can wait. It does not seem. Well, the fun thing about these types of prophecies is that he is going to announce something that happened in December on New Year's Eve as a prophecy about what happened in December. He knew it. Convoluted. He knew it, Dan. Nonsensical, some might say. Ridiculous. But he said that is New Year's Eve sweeps week for religion. Must be. Yeah. I'm thinking that he just mixed up that

New Year's Eve prophecy and whatever God told him within the last week. Yeah. Because within the last week, God told him to form his last network. I don't know what that is. Well, we'll learn a little bit more here. God spoke to me that we were to, to finish this studio. We have a studio under construction for the last couple years. There's the building. Wow. And inside that building has no equipment in it yet. It needs the walls and everything to be put in and all the lighting fixtures and all. It could be done in 90 days if I had the money. And it's getting so difficult to raise money because, you know, people say, oh, you shouldn't do this. You shouldn't sell items. You shouldn't do this thing. You know what? Yeah. If you got a good idea that works, I'll, I'll take

it. Exactly. I'll borrow it from you. You know, the ridiculousness of that is like, okay, you're going to go to work and work for free. I mean, seriously. Wow. Wow. Wow. Oh boy. I follow in the footsteps of my leader, Jesus Christ, but I'm not doing it for free, baby. Yeah. Jesus, you better fucking give me benefits too. I want good insurance. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. So he's building a new studio. Yeah. And he's pretty self conscious about raising money because, you know, people are making fun of the buckets and all that rightfully pointed out he's an evil piece of shit. Yeah. Might have flown under the radar for a while and then people started, you know, posting little clips of him doing this absurd bucket shit on Twitter. And now it's like, I look

bad. Yeah. It hasn't stopped him. No, of course not. Well, I mean, Hey, so he's, he's starting this. He needs to build his new studio because he's starting a network called the voice of the prophets. He wants to run 24 hours a day. Very reminiscent of Alex. You know, everybody wants, you know, this, these people don't recognize that one of the things that's the biggest problem with the media nowadays is the 24 hours. It is an issue. They don't realize that they will fall victim to the same thing. No, never. Alex running 24 hours a day would be the worst thing possible for him. No running a voice of the prophets 24 hour a day prophecy network would be ridiculous. It would be such diminishing returns. It would be a disastrous idea. But you need to do this

because prophets have things to say. Sometimes they want to say something at three in the morning. All right. I mean, yeah, that's a good argument. So anyway, he needs you to give him a bunch of money. Yeah. Well, that's also a good, we're building the voice of the prophets network. When I was in prison, God spoke to me to build a network. And I thought it was last night. Profits on. Well, God has spoken to me to go on major television. Amen. 24 hours a day where if God moves, one of the prophets said, Jim is going to broadcast the events of what God's doing. And he's going to, what? There's going to be healings and miracles take place up here on this mountain.

And so we're to go. And we can do this. We can do it in 90 days. We could be on the air 24 hours a day beaming loudly. That's our PTL means prophets talking loudly. And so what's the studio is there? That's the, I'm, I renamed the studio, the voice of the prophet studio. And in the entrance, the lobby, I call it the atrium of that studio smart. We're, we're, we're, I have a picture of my dream of it. This is the lobby, the hall of the prophets atrium. And Jesus, God willing, is going to move there from here because this is the hall of the prophets. And it's going to, it's going to have a, a place where we're going to put blast, a brass plate on those who give this $1,000 gift to build and finish, open the network 24 hours a day and open this studio

so that can broadcast 24 hours a day. So you give a thousand dollars, you had a plaque in the hallway. Is he forcibly relocating Jesus? It does seem like, I think that's against the law, Dan. I thought Jesus was everywhere. That violates his rights, Dan. He's evicting Jesus from the morning side. Unfair. Jesus was living rent control, Dan. And then these big developers come in trying to donate money to build a studio. I don't see a fundamental reason why he can't just do what he's doing now, like on some sort of a streaming service. Like any kind of, like his website has streaming capabilities. Like you could just get on, I don't know, Twitch and do everything that he's wanting to do for not thousands of dollars. And he has a studio, like he has a place that he's

filming this very episode in. And I think one of the reasons that he can't do that 24 hours there is because this isn't, like his studio, his stage is in a big sort of ballroom-ish kind of place. But along the wall, like this compound involves like living quarters that are right off the stage. So if they were going 24-7, then people are going to be like, turn it down out there. I think so. I think that's the fundamental problem. I think that makes sense. So he needs to move the shooting space away from that. I think this is a ridiculous fucking transparent bullshit. I mean, it is, it is, it's amazing. It's amazing to me that you could literally, not least of which because it's like purely megalomaniacal. Yes. Like it is not,

it is not practical. Nope. It is not a way to make any money. Nope. It is, it is a, it is building, it's Ozzymandamus. It is building statues of fucking Xerxes so that when he dies, he has something to leave behind. I think that's part of it. But I also think that the people like Jim Baker in this scammy kind of community, they probably see all signs being green lights. You have, you have Trump indicating that he's not going to in any way encourage enforcement of the Johnson Amendment type restrictions on church behaviors. You have him putting Paula White Kane into an official position in the White House. You've got to think like, now is the time. We've got to strike while the iron's hot. We got to do whatever we can to expand this grift. And I get why you'd do that,

but it also is, it seems woefully transparent. Right. This is just like, all right, we got to do this. We have to, we have to get going on this. Yeah. We can make millions and millions of dollars if we can just get to the point we need to get to, but that window is going to be closed. Yeah. Eventually. Well, they, I'm amazed how confident they are. Well, I think that's terrifying to me because if they're that confident, well, they're building a, they got a year until the election. Right. Right. Right. And if Trump wins in 2020, they have a real nice cushion. Oh, the game is a foot. They can, they're going to run rampant on the American system. Even if 2020 doesn't go their way, they still have a year wherein like we can make, we can make a move here. And then it challenges

the people who come in after Trump to tamp down on this. Right. Right. They're going to have to expend political capital in order to undo whatever horrific monstrosities. Yeah. I don't know if horrific monstrosity is fair, but I haven't seen the studio, but I only saw an artist's rendering of it and it looks just like a building. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if it looked like Jim Baker's fucking face. Like that's, that's the level of narcissistic asshole we're dealing with. Yeah. So in this next clip, Jim kind of rewrites his own legal troubles from the 80s. As they always do. People do not understand, but I have talked to people in government in prison and out. Believe me, it's a lot of people in prison. You'd be shocked, but they told me

they were afraid that I was going to endorse Pat Robertson for president back then. And they thought with his audience and my audience, they had no chance against Pat Robertson. And he won the first. Yep. Primaries primaries. I remember that. Oh, yeah. And so they thought I talk about him. You know, I'm sorry. That's right. Our, uh, the president who, uh, Ronald Reagan, I mentioned to him, I says, I'm going to do everything. We thought the camera's raw. I said, we're going to do everything to deliver 50 million votes. Political boy. And I had all the major ministry, evangelist that brought him to his home, did every, and we helped win that president

to the presidency of the United States. You're not supposed to brag about that. You're supposed to lie about it. Understand how these principalities work. Political. So a couple of quick points. Uh, first Pat Robertson did run for president in the 1988 election. He did not win the early primaries, but weirdly he did end up winning a couple. He took Nevada, Washington state, Alaska and Hawaii. Although the Washington one, I believe, if I, if I understand correctly, he may have won because of some like manipulations of procedural things. Gotcha. There was some, there's a asterisk on Washington. Gotcha. He didn't even make it through the entire primary cycle and he dropped out of the race on May 16th, 1988. Jim Baker wasn't

indicted for his mail fraud and wire fraud until December, 1988. And his trial wouldn't happen until August 1989. The timeline for this doesn't really match up at all. Also, I suspect that the person who told them these things while he was in prison was Lyndon LaRouche, who was his cellmate while he was in the joint. Lyndon LaRouche is crazy. You would be surprised how many people you'll find in prison. Lyndon LaRouche. Lyndon LaRouche is one of them. I do not care about this second hand prison gossip that is probably coming from LaRouche. You're supposed to lie about about being the political wing. You're supposed to lie. Yeah. Just give me a lie. You don't have to. Yeah, you don't have to. You don't have to anymore. No, we delivered an election is a fine thing to say

in church now. I guess so. So this is where we get to the point where Paula, who has just been here and selling her book, now really gets active in helping Jim try and get money for his new network. So she's done her scam half. Now she's going to help him with his scam half. And this is so important that even at 80, I keep feeling in my spirit because 80 is a unique number to God. Eight, of course, means new beginnings. And 10 is a number of completion. And God says, there's a completion that I'm doing that is releasing you into a new beginning. And that's what it is a cycle of God's completion for new beginnings to be released into your life. And that there's no because there's no Hebrew word is coincidence. So we know that everything,

that's what eternity is that purpose has is for destiny is eternal purposes for under heaven. And God's purpose is eternal purpose. Your destiny to build this, it had to be launched when you're 80. It might feel like a delay, but it was not. And right now, someone is about to send you that million dollar check in the name of Jesus. You just see they need to be obedient, whether it's 100,000, whether it's $10,000, it's going to be wonderful that you have your plaque. This is beautiful as blown away because I was like, he's gonna think I stole some of my stuff from him because God's been downloading several things that are so similar seriously. I'm planning the same scam. Wow. Fucking. Wow. Yeah. I mean, she's, I mean, I am a little bit in awe of her oratory

prowess. She you mean her ability to just keep talking? Yes. Yeah. But in a way that makes it sound like she's Jesus sake, right? But it's not. She's marjoing. She's doing the tent revivalist bullshit. It's if you actually listen to these longer clips of her talking, it's disconnected. It's rambling. It's using rhetorical devices where you say like similarly framed sentence fragments repeatedly. Yeah. Like God is love. God is will. God is faith. Like while you're clearly just on repetition, trying to come up with the next thing you say. Yeah. Like I've done stand up enough to know that like sometimes you forget where you're going and you have just little things that you can say. Yeah. To like fill time while you're like, Oh, that's my next bit. All right.

I'll get into this. Yeah. So much of her sort of rhetorical prowess is just those tricks, those same things that you do right in order to be like, Okay, I know how to make it sound like I have a point. And that's kind of it. I also bring up Marjo. It's a 12 year old kid talking to thousands upon thousands of people. Yeah. There's these tricks work. Yeah. So I find it distasteful that she now has an official job in the government and she's on Jim Baker's show saying like, Hey, you asking for $1,000 for a plaque or your Christian profit network. You're going to think I ripped you off because I'm doing that. I'm going to do that. Yep. You work in the government now. This is this is distasteful. It's a never ending thirst to isn't that that's

that's so that sucks. Like you've got so much money. You've got more money than you could conceive of. And all you can think to do is just try and scam more people out of fucking dollars. Yeah, because she's not, you know, you're he's not getting $10,000 donations. He's getting five bucks from people who fucking need five bucks. Maybe, you know, yeah, or a thousand dollars for people who need five bucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But look, dude, what you don't understand is that this money, there's a ledger sheet in heaven. Every treasure you give here on earth is being stored up in heaven. There is a department of treasury in heaven. Now I know minutiae's over down here, but I'm telling you there's a department of treasury in heaven that

God is watching over everything you do. And you are storing up eternal treasure that will go so far beyond. I think that we can even begin to imagine that you are mandated by God. I feel a mandate. I know I was supposed to come share my book, but I feel a mandate to help you build this. And God says, remove the pressure, remove the burden that you are not supposed to carry burdens that would stress you out, that would make you physically ill. You're to live well over 100 years. You're to carry on. I'm telling you, and I know this spiritually, because there is much work for you to do and it is not supposed to stress your body, stress your mind. And listen, there is no stress on him by the spirit of God, except trying to get the gospel out,

which means that somebody needs to do their part. And you are that somebody. And when you step up, your life is about to be revolutionized. How do you think I got out of that trailer? God is about to make a supernatural way for you right now in your obedience to standing with Jim and Laurie, because it's really not your dream at all. God just chose you as a vessel. It's God's dream, because he knows you'll be obedient. That's it. And that's what God wants. And so you're not watching by coincidence. God wants to heal you. He wants to bring you into your something greater, but you've got to line up here. And when you line up, your something greater gets released. Amen. It's so powerful. That's wow, insane. Wow. Yeah. She's talking directly to the people watching at

home. Wow. You need to obey. Wow. Now, what's fucked up. What's so interesting about this is that there's this belief that she's expressing that people like Jim shouldn't have to feel stress. They should be relieved of the stress of the millions of dollars that they're trying to make in order to operate exactly how they're operating now. And you should be relieved of the stress of having an extra thousand dollars that you don't know what to do with. That's the I mean, that's a fun way to say it, but it in reality, she's not at all recognizing the stress of everyday people who they are targeting. Don't care. No, they don't. And that's cruel. Yeah. That's abusive. If you imagine hearing that and not thinking like if that's your brand of Christianity, or if that's

the only brand of Christianity you've been exposed to, but imagine listening to that and not coming to the conclusion that Christianity is fundamentally corrupt. Man, I hate her so much. I hate her so much for making me try and defend the ideal of what Christ wants, of what he preached. But yeah, you should or whatever. I don't know. It's through these sort of repugnant examples that good versions of religion become very clearly identifiable. And I think that maybe there's some value in them existing for that, but I also think they do way more damage. I think there's value of them existing in a museum. Maybe. There's an interesting thing that she's presenting here, though, that if you're the person who believes this kind of thing, and you're watching this,

and you have Paula White Kane, she's someone who is a luminary in the evangelical world, to the point where she now works in the fucking White House. I really don't like you saying that. She's an incredibly credible person in this sphere, right? She has political clout. She has religious clout. She's on a ton of money. She's on Jim Baker's show. He's one of the legends in the game. He's talking about how God has called him to create this new voice of the prophets network because prophets need a place to speak. God has told him he must do this. So he has to do this. Paula is saying like, I came on to talk about my book, but I feel so drawn to helping you pull off this miracle. So you out there listening, you need to obey and send in this

money because Jim needs to not have the stresses of these financial things. Can't have over him. So if you're 80, if you're in that position and you're listening to this, you're presented with a couple of possibilities. One is that I don't have the money. I can't do it. Like you literally don't have the money, right? Then you feel like, well, I can't be a part of this religious thing. Yeah. Or you do have the money and you're like, I'm not going to give it. Then you're disobedient to God. Not just that. You're killing Jim Baker. You're disobedient to God, right? Or you have, I don't know, $1,050 to your name. Yeah. Like, well, I've got to, I've got to do this. You have to do it or else, or else your God will punish you. You're creating a dichotomy or a choice that's

abusive no matter what you choose to do. It's just a trap. This is a sick trap that she's putting people into who have gone far enough to believe the version of religion that she's putting for. And I just, I think it's gross. I think it's so sick. It's cynical and abusive. It really is. She is a fucking parasite siphoning off these people. And it is, and they worship her for it, which is fucking mind boggling. But it's not like Paula won't put her money where her mouth is. So you need a thousand? A thousand people doing a thousand? They can go get my check and write a thousand dollars right now. Seriously, I'll be the first one. You're the first one. I'm going to be the first one. I'm going to need a receipt for that. This is a no brainer. This is God right now.

I'm going to miss out. I'm not going to tell somebody to do something. So Sheila will run, get my purse. Sheila, can you go get it? You've got the second one. You've got the second. So we've got the first two. Will you run, get my purse in the back? They have it on the screen. They already put on the screen the $10,000 club, which is the profits armor bearer team. Join that. Those are people, not only they're helping build the studio, but they're especially going to be helping with the chamber, you know, the profits chamber. If you hear about the profit chamber and second Kings. Absolutely. Sure. Woman says that I want to build this, but the Bible says when you give to a prophet, you receive a prophet's reward. Amen. And I'm believing God for some folks that

will say, Jim, I'm just going to join this $10,000 armor bearer. We call it for the prophets. This is so vital. People, I am blown away because what you're doing for him to have a studio very much in Florida, it's almost like I'm sitting here going, this is just like, God is speaking. This is exactly what I'm doing in Florida. This is amazing. This is ridiculous. Yeah. This is, this is disgusting. The only, I actually still wouldn't be compelled by this, but I would think it would be interesting if, you know, she's like, I'll give you a thousand dollars. And then Jim's like, well, we also have the $10,000 level. If she's like, I'm not giving you 10, I can't afford that. I'm sorry. I can. Oh, I can afford a million of those,

but I cannot afford that. Yeah. I, I, I, in the fifties, one of the ways that they fought the KKK was just revealing how stupid the names were. Like you're, you're a grand armor level and people were like, that's fucking stupid. Yeah. If you're in prophets armor level, fuck off. There's an interesting thing here where like the conversation around this, this network and the, the importance of being obedient is done on the thousand dollar level, which is still a lot of money for someone to be sending Jim Baker ridiculous amount of money, but it's not in the realm of comical kind of, you know, it's not, it's not to the point where you're like, get the fuck out of here. So you, I am sure, but you internalize the idea of giving

him this amount of money in the context of like it's obedience to give to Jim and then you escalate a little bit. So now this $10,000 level, it, all the other stuff we talked about with the thousand dollar level, it's still applied. Oh, it's still in there, but you get more, Dan. It's an escalation. Yeah. So, uh, you know, it's important that there are prophets, uh, and they speak and it's not just because prophets are psychic. That's, that's small potatoes. Sure. It's because they are able to will words of God into existence or something. I really don't think that's true. This is weird. Without a prophetic word, then the people, so when the priest's mouth was open and the prophet's mouth were open, the people prospered

and prosperity is not money to prosper means to advance, to break out, to break through, to break forth. It means there's no way you're going to be able to break out, break through, break forth without that prophetic word. It is not just foretelling, but it's telling forth. So, when a prophet, and there are many true prophets in the earth right now, when the prophet comes forth, the prophetic utterances don't just foretell. It's not just, it's not like a psychic or something. I mean, familiar spirits can do that. It has the power of God to not only download the word of knowledge, the word of wisdom, discerning of spirits, but it's the prophetic word that shifts. So, it's not just foretelling, it's telling forth,

that's shifting you into alignment, which is what Ecclesiastes three is all about. That God's put eternity in your heart so the will of God can come to pass in the earth. So, when the prophet gives the direction, then the intercessors have to come in and pray it through, which is why you've got a chapel over here. And you've got a chapel over here so that the people can pray through what the prophetic word is and you say, well, why is this important? Because if somebody doesn't do it, nations are going to go down. It's just that simple. So, right now, write the P.O. box, call that toll-free number, and so that thousand, so that $10,000, and be a part of this. I feel it's such an urgency in my spirit right now.

Holy shit. Wow. Holy shit. Wow. That's an ad pivot. Man, that is, she, she should be fucking homeless. She should be homeless because she is the type of person who is begging for your money, who would shit on a homeless person if they asked her. She might actually in a couple of clips. What? God damn it, Dan. She's a fucking thief. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you see so clearly there, this like, okay, so you need the place where the prophets can come and speak, but you also need all the intercessors, the pray people. Well, of course. So, that's why you have your compound here for the people praying. Naturally. Those are your Jesus middle managers. Right. But look, this is super important because if this doesn't happen, then the west is gone,

or whatever. Yeah. So please send me your money. Not please. You better get that P.O. box. Please is rude for her. Holy shit. Man, that is fucked up. It's so bad. Yeah. Not least of which, because prophets are apparently just chiropractors. They're just going to align you better. Yeah. They're not going to bring any, they're not going to actually bring anything into existence. They're going to bring forth. Align you with what is or what God. Yeah. That was a big pile of nonsense. It definitely is. So they move on from this, although it does come up a lot, the giving the money for the new chapel and studio. Not a surprise. And but I think it's more important really to focus on what they get into after this, which is some of the more like,

I know she's not into politics. She's not, she's not political. Sure. But it's important to recognize that through Paula, Jim Baker has a direct line to the White House. Yeah. She became the first woman to pray at the inauguration. Nope. Using the name of Jesus and she and the other ministers that you help put together. We're doing it every day. We're praying every day and worshiping in the White House. Lori and I are on the phone every week with the White House. Oh, I love it when we I don't know if you know that, but I know you're on the phone. Yeah. Yeah. Paula's orchestrated here. I keep behind it. God's orchestrated. Paula's it. Haha. God's behind it. But Paula's orchestrating this direct line, this direct connection between scam fucks like Jim Baker

and the White House. Yep. This is how you end up. Like this is one of the things it's like it's so easy for them now. Yeah, it is so easy. Someone like Trump is so like very easy for them I don't know how much of it is playing him and how much of it's just like he's cool with it. Yeah. Yeah. But whatever it is like, okay, this is good. There is the question of like you have to recognize this is like what's going on in the world right now is so fucked up that this is like issue 30. Yeah. Yeah. But in stable fine times, this would be a very pressing issue. This is a real big problem. You know what? This has the potential to rise up that list to number five. It will be easily very quickly left to its own devices. This doesn't

get better. Yeah. And I don't see any reason why it would stop. But like that that's what's so crazy about about the world right now is just like I see this as a very, very, very serious issue. But I also recognize that it doesn't rank. Yeah. So, you know, again, she's not political. But Trump is going to get rid of the Johnson amendment, which he's super into. Yeah, this is where we get into some conversation about someone experiencing homelessness. And that Johnson amendment up in the buck was the thing holding over and your president, Donald Trump, that you work with said we're going to stop it because he looked down. We were up on his 26th floor and he looked down. He goes, that guy, he said, you he gets it. He understands

the church. I say the church is the only legal entity in the earth that has the authority to bring true transformation. And President Trump gets the importance and the power of the blood bought church of Jesus Christ. And he said, you are the most powerful people. He's saying this to pastors because he knows that that it is the word of God that transforms the life. And he said, but that guy down the street there, that homeless guy has more power than you do in your pulpit to make a change. Right. And he said, if I'm president, he said, that's not going to happen. And it hasn't Jesus. Oh, boy. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder, I wonder is like I wonder what is going on in those meetings. Like I wonder if she is conning Trump, or if they

have a a business agreement as equals. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I don't know. I can't speak to that. Hey, you'll you deliver me this voting block. And I will say fucking go hog wild. I have no idea. I couldn't even begin to speculate about that. But it doesn't it doesn't seem like either would shock me too much. No, exactly. I think it's probably more likely that there's like an understanding. Yeah. Between between them. They don't each other for a fucking long time. Yeah. Game recognized game. It's not like you could probably be around Paula White Cain for very long without being like something's up here. Yeah. Yeah. Even if you're oblivious, kind of you kind of get what's going on. So I would be surprised if it's an outright con and

more of like a hey, there's a lot for you to gain from keeping a stranglehold on the evangelical vote in the country. And there's a lot for me to gain if you get rid of certain regulations about how churches can operate. Yeah. So let's let's do this. Yeah. So look, dude, the issue is that she's not political. But why would you want to get rid of the Johnson amendment if you weren't political? Well, because that's about God. Look, freedom is going to disappear in this country. Sure. If they get their way, unless Trump wins in 2020, the freedom of America soon. If we don't, this election is so important. It's vital. It just scares me. Why does supreme court justices? Yes. We already know it is potential. We know we'll have a third one. We didn't need the time,

but it is very potential that we could have a fourth or even a fifth. Now that makes, let me tell you what that makes some people do. That's going to make, it is a dividing one and lets you have eyes to see because it's going to either make you stand and have to look in your word and say, what does the word of God say? And where do I line up? Where do I line up on policy? I might not like the personality. I might not understand him. Get my book and you'll understand the personality and you'll understand the person. Okay? Not just the persona. That's right. But where do I line up? And you're going to have to make a decision that won't be just held accountable here for how things turn out for you, your children, your grandchildren, but you're going to have to

stand accountable before God one day. That's not based on your opinion, your hurt, your wounding, what you think, what you don't educate yourself, know the issues, know the word of God. And then if you cannot align with the word of God, I just, I don't see it. So if we can change the Supreme Court, like we are already changing it and we can, these are lifetime appointments. You don't think all hell is trembling right now? Oh yeah. No, I am. I am trembling right now. What she's expressing is that, you know, along with Jim is that freedom is going to disappear unless Trump can fundamentally reshape the Supreme Court towards more extremist religious Christian views. So she's not political. Neither are we. It's, it's interesting for that to be such a,

such a thing. I understand. I just, it's a place of like not owning your place, you know, an attempt to not own your place in the system. I just find really lame and kind of weak. I want to be involved in advocating fundamentalist religious positions that spill over into politics. I now work in the White House. I'm not into politics. It's just lame. It's just lame. And here she drifts into politics a little more in a very dishonest way. But I can tell you things right now in certain states, they've already passed legislation in states that says the Bible is a book of hate speech. It is only a matter of time. Those laws already pass because people are asleep, in my opinion. Do you think this next election could change America forever?

Absolutely. Oh, no doubt about it. Oh yeah, absolutely. So when people like Paula say things like that, when they try to say that their laws being passed that declare the Bible hate speech, it's really important to get down to what the laws actually are that they're talking about. Because I've seen other sermons that she's given, I know that she's specifically talking about a law in California, since it's a very common talking point for her, as well as other dumb, dumb televangelists. The law that she's talking about is Assembly Bill 2943, which was written to ban conversion therapy. A segment about the bill on one America news network, the place that employs Jack Pasobic, argued that this was going to make the Bible hate speech

and outlaw the sale of the Bible. From there, it became a hot talking point with the evangelical crowd confirming their worst fears about the state trying to oppress them. Conversion therapy has been shown not to achieve the desired goal, which is a phrasing that I'm uncomfortable with, but honestly, I don't know how to express that point any other way. These people believe that they're able to change people's fundamental identity or persuasion or sexual orientation, but it doesn't achieve that goal. I hate that phrasing. I hate that I can't find a better way to say that, because even the phrasing seems to imply that there is a goal or whatever. It's just torture. Yeah, it's a brutal practice that often involves trying to attach negative stimuli like nauseation

or electroshocks with homosexual thoughts or feelings. And I don't honestly understand what the difference is between that and, like you said, torture. Yeah, if you read those things, it's like, oh, that's a clockwork orange. You're just describing a clockwork orange. And that's not always the case in these, but it does exist enough. It's very worth mentioning. A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association linked quotes of your psychological distress to attempts made at subjecting trans people to conversion therapy. The co-author of that study found that quote, trans people who are exposed to conversion efforts anytime in their lives have more than double the odds of attempting suicide compared

to those who have never experienced efforts by professionals to convert their gender identity. The study also found that age is really important and that people who are subjected to these things even earlier in life have a four times higher rate of attempting suicide. It's a very serious issue. Conversion therapy has applied to things like gender identity or sexual orientation are barbaric dehumanizing and absolutely cause severe problems for the people subjected to those treatments. But Christian fundamentalists like Paula see conversion therapy as just part of their religious outreach. It's what the Bible would tell her to do. So if California is banning conversion therapy, then that's actually a California banning her following the Bible. This is extremist shit.

She may have a soft lilt to her voice. She may not be saying that she wants to kill people who don't fit her mold of religious beliefs. But Paula does not give a fuck about living in a free society. She knows that she can't really make the argument that she wants to make in reality. She can't say, I want LGBTQ youth subjected to brutal therapies that don't work to make them more likely and make them more likely to kill themselves because I think their identities are wrong. She knows that argument doesn't play in a free society. So she lies. She moves the goalpost and turns it into an argument where California is trying to outlaw the Bible because that achieves the same end result of her pushing a radical extremist agenda and more importantly

keeps the sweet donations coming in. You could see how this easily could like this exact same logic could be used by anybody who wants to push some form of religious fundamentalism. Yeah. I mean, switch it out with female genital mutilation. That's an easy example that you you could see or even like, like just stay in the realm of the Bible. Like you could say, we should stone adulterers and California passes a law that you can't they're trying to outlaw. They're trying to outlaw the Bible. Yeah. I mean, you see the fundamental logic that's being used here is so deeply disturbing. Yeah. Yeah. I just I can't I can't handle stuff like this. I mean, it's missing the forest for the trees. Yeah. And the forest is

deep abuse. Yeah. Of people who don't fit your mold of what your world you want to live in. Right. Well, I mean, the basically the they're trying to say that torture is a religious practice. To an extent. Yeah. So I mean, I guess if that's the argument that we're having, that's what we should be talking about. Is it okay for torture to be part of your religious practice? And I say no, Dan, where do you come down on that with you? Okay. I don't know how much this could be kind of a slippery slope. But I don't see it being too far of a leap for her to then like apply this outside of just, you know, LGBTQ related conversion therapy type laws. Yeah. Like, how big a leap is it for her to be like, well, Muslims who don't want to be Christian,

the Bible says go make fishers of men. Yeah, spread the gospel like putting people into camps or centers who don't convert to Christianity. Right. Right. Right. And they'll be they'll be undergo conversion therapy if you want to do that to let's say Muslims. And someone says you can't. You're ruining my religious freedom trying to outlaw the Bible. Oh, okay. So now I can't shock people whenever they hear the word Allah. Fine. You hate religion then. I understand that that is an extension of this logic to maybe and maybe too far of a leap. But it does follow from the precepts she's putting forth that that would be considered somehow a banning of the Bible and saying that the Bible is hate speech. Yeah, it is nonsense. It's it's it's a what should be is the

draconian gay conversion therapy should be too far out there to make as a slippery slope not a fucking full on genocide is too far out there. So I mean, yeah, so Jim, you know, his work is bigger than himself, which I would say like, fine. Yeah. And then Paula is just actively trying to give people to send Jim money doing this. Yeah, is bigger than me and it's so much bigger than me. It is, which is why right now you better write that PO box and not just get the book and not just get this, which is exclusive to Jim and Laurie, not just send in 35 but you need to send in $3,500. You need to send in $35,000. You need to send in that $100,000 check because you know God has blessed you. You know what a blessing this ministry. And now there's a launching of a network. I'm telling

you, and God has mandated who in the world in their right mind would build a network at 80 years old. No one unless they had a spiritual mind. Or it doesn't take a lot of discernment. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, he's old, so he can't be scamming or he's a liar. I like that sort of like the argument of like, well, he's gonna be dead soon. Why does he need money? Okay. All right. That works. Cool. That's an applause line. Yep. So we have one last clip and in that that the one we just heard, it's a very, it's very much kind of being couched in the like there is something to gain by giving him money, which is, you know, manipulative. I still think it's wrong, but at least it's a like, Hey, you want to support the ministry so you should

give I have $35,000. Sure. $100,000. And this next and last clip, I think we're getting into the stick, you know, the the threatening stick where it changes where it's now if you don't give him money, negative things. No more carrot. Plays a widow and you and your son might be getting ready to eat your last cake and your cruise might be failing and your barrel of meal might be failing. But I'm telling you, if you do not write that PO box and you do not call that toll free number and you do not become a ministry of sustainer, you will never see sustainment in your life and your dream will die. Your call will die because God sets it up that way that what you make happen for this ministry. And as you sustain it, God says your cruise is not going to fail.

Your barrel is not going to fail. Your son might die, but he's going to be resurrected because the enemy is going to come in, but I'm going to cause life sustaining to come to you. I'm going to cause your life to be sustained, your son's life to be sustained, your money to be sustained, your dream to be sustained, your business to be sustained because you are doing what I have said to do and I am telling you, you are so right on right now because we know, I hate to call this an industry, but we know in the industry, I'm so straightforward. You're probably never going to have me back. We know in the industry, right? What they want to do, they want to censor our voice. They want to stop. They want to keep charging us more and more. And we know what we

want to do, get the gospel out. We know that we want to preach the uncompromised gospel. We know that they are closing that window tighter and tighter on us. And if we don't launch our own networks, that we have the ability through technology to control our voice and come together as the body of Christ, then I'm telling you they are trying to shut down the word of God. They're trying to shut it down. There's the stick. If you don't give Jim this money, then nothing that you want is ever going to come to pass. That's so gross. And if you do give him this money, your kid might still die, but he's going to come back in heaven, buddy. Department of Treasury. One more time. Come on. Yeah. That's like, that's such a gross thing. It's like what

she's presenting. Your kid's going to die. If you give Jim a bunch of money, the Treasury Department in heaven will recognize it on the ledger and they'll pay for whatever restorative health care is needed in heaven. It doesn't matter if he was good or bad. They're going to pay for it. I think we need Department of Treasury. I think we need Medicare for all in heaven. I think indulgences are great. I think everybody saw how that worked with the Catholic church and it was perfect. This is gross. Like it's just disgusting levels of cynical money grabbing that's going on here on this show. Like whether it's through, it's trying to get her book sold. We know that Jim Baker has already talked about. He buys a ton of people's books. So they've already made the money off

him. He's got to sell it for Jim now. So, you know, he's, you're trying to sell this book and then trying to get a hundred thousand, $10,000 donations to build his fucking studio so he can do a 24 hour prophecy network. Yeah. It's just, it's and the way that he described the prophecy network too is like there's going to be healings. He was, he was pitching a TV show. He was like, we're going to have healings. We're going to have faith. We're going to bring in snakes. Yeah. It's all going to be there. I know that's hot on YouTube. TGIF. Yeah. And like to put a button on this. I mean, I know that maybe you've brought it up a number of times, but like I find his show immensely boring. It's a transparent cash grab. Yeah. It's disgusting. What he's doing to people

is abusive and I resent it entirely from a human standpoint and from a person who doesn't believe that religion is intrinsically evil. Yeah. Yeah. From both of those standpoints, I find this to be the worst. Yeah. But it's also super boring and I probably wouldn't even cover this episode where he's trying to raise money for his new film studio. If his guest didn't work in the White House, like this is the connection between these worlds is so explicit. The connection here is more explicit than Alex's connection. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alex can't call him anymore. No, he doesn't have like his, his guy in the White House, Steve Miller, like Steve Miller's not coming on the info wars. It's, I don't even know the words to, I'm speaking in tongues because I can't even

come up with the word I want to use about this. It's so. And if you would like to hear Dan speak in tongues more, please donate thousands upon thousands of dollars to our new foundation. We're going to do a 24 seven. We're going to call it Tongue and With Dan. I think we should change the name. It's just going to be rolling ours. We should, we should workshop that. Just the whole 24 hours endurance tongue rolling. Yeah. That's the plan. I don't, I don't, like I said, I don't know the word, but this is in the strongest possible terms. I fuck this. It is. It is. It really is like, Oh man, there is no bottom. It just isn't a bottom. There might be a bottom, but it would be interesting to know what it is. I think it was really close to Paula White Kane. Yeah.

Like I think the bottom for people like this, like a gym or a Paula or a Lori is just like being allowed to run all scams they want to run. That's the bottom, but removing any, anything that is, it gets in the way of them. Fleecing gullible and vulnerable people is the bottom. Yeah. I don't think they have any interest in going much further beneath that. Like I don't, I don't know if these people are ideologues. They might be, they might be, but I think that their ideology is far more about the scam. Right. It is about actually look like social issues. Right. Now granted, in pursuant, being like pursuing their scam, they end up hurting a lot of people in political ways. Yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of these people also go insane and start to believe their bullshit,

even if they didn't at the beginning. You mean people like Jim or the people like their listeners? No, the megalomaniacal, those cult leader types don't, don't usually have restraints as they, as they continue to gain popularity. And you can see a lack of restraint even in Paula in the way that she's like these long, rambling diatribes. I wouldn't be too surprised even if she was like on some stimulants or something to be honest. That wouldn't surprise me. The way this pressured speech. Anyway, I find every time I take a look at Jim Baker to either be so bored as to just be a waste of my time or so just disgusted by what I see. This is one of them. This is, this is one of the latter types. It is, it is, it is an achievement

of sorts. It is impressive. Yes. To think that I listen to Alex Jones constantly and this is still like it raises the needle. Yeah, it really does. It's, it's, it's a dubious distinction that Jim and Laura and, or Lori and Paula can have that even in my unshockable state of, of jadedness from listening to Alex Jones, you have disgusted me. Yeah. Yeah. So congratulations. They're, oh boy. Yeah. So we'll be back. We will be back. Not as wacky as we might have hoped. This is an apocalypse Wednesday. Yeah. So we'll be back. But until then, we have a website. We do. It's knowledge fight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are. It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed, George. We're on Facebook. We are. And if you would like to download the show,

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