Knowledge Fight - #367: April 23, 2013

Episode Date: November 11, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to continue to track Alex Jones' tumultuous beginning of 2013. In this installment, the gents find Alex kind of forgetting about the whole Boston Marathon bombing thing, primarily because he saw a great movie the night before.

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Dan. Jordan. Did you have, did you used to watch late night, did you have like a late night house where you a Conan guy or a Letterman guy? My parents wouldn't let me watch stuff that late when I was younger, not really. Oh okay. They had like some interest in sort of like the Saturday night lives of the past, like old Saturday night lives, but more like a Monty Python or black adder, that kind of

stuff like my dad. That's weird. Humor. So there's no Conan. We're going to do black adder though. A lot of Rowan Atkinson in the house, but that was all on like VHS tapes and stuff like that. It was a real time issue.

This came on way past my bedtime for most of my life. I got a little bit older, I guess I kind of gravitated towards Conan more, but I would be lying if I said that I was super into it. Sure. I'd be trying to take on the identity of a lot of people in comedy who were really were deep. Oh yeah. Yeah.

No comedy. That's a huge deal. Yeah. I preferred it to other late night, but I never watched a ton of it, so I can't really, you didn't have that like affinity for the smigol years on nineties Conan and that kind of stuff. As I've gotten older and I've watched a bunch of the stuff after the fact, I understand why people would.

Yeah. But I wasn't really on board with a lot of that. I was not, not deeply invested in the Leno vs. Letterman kerfuffle. What about the Leno vs. Conan kerfuffle later on? That was much more recent. Yeah. I think I can take a position on that, which is pro Leno. Leno did nothing wrong.

Hashtag. I have not heard many people express a pro Leno position. I don't know. I liked, I liked stuff enough. Like I liked Letterman and Conan, but stuff I saw. Yeah. But not, you know, wasn't, wasn't my main bag. Yeah.

I assume that it wasn't since we hadn't talked about it at all prior to this, but I thought I would see you. I wish I was closet Letterman guy or something like that. I wish it was on some level. Like I do think like going back and watching a lot of that stuff is really hilarious. Yeah. There's a lot of really good work that was being done out of late night shows. But for me to pretend now as a 35 year old man, like, yeah, background is 12, I'd stay

up all night. Right. That would be disingenuous. Right. So I don't want to try and pretend, but I have a lot of respect for the craft and all that stuff. Absolutely. So as a podcaster, I don't know a whole lot about watching late night live, but I do

know a lot about Alex Jones and I don't know much about either, Dan. Yeah. So Jordan, today we're back in the past. Sure. We are going over April 23rd, 2013, and our continuing investigation of what the hell went on with Alex primarily in terms of calling the people who are the victims and survivors of Sandy Hook, showing them actors, right, which is now dovetailed into the Boston bombing. We are coming out of that and all that's resolved now.

Really? I mean, Joe Hart. Sarniv is in. Oh yeah. Boston bombing. I was going to say, I don't think we've heard him actually say specifically. I apologize. I should have spoken more clearly.

Yeah. That investigation still ongoing very much so on and I know that there's more to learn about his response to the Boston bombing, but I also think that we have now entered the portion where it's like in the same way that Alex has a little bit of a come down once there's official information out. I'm experiencing a little bit of that too. Yeah. Just going back to normal, whereas we had a stretch of shows where it was like really

dense lies in real time. Oh yeah. He was turbocharged and just excitedly just chomping at the at reality trying to take a bite out. Yeah. This is mine now. Yeah. And now we've kind of entered a phase where it feels like we're kind of back to a normal

show here. We're experiencing the le petit more. It feels a little bit weird. But I still think there's some interesting stuff in here, but you'll notice a shift. You'll notice this feel a lot more like a normal Alex Jones episode. That's that shouldn't be allowed, right? Like what if like in a TV show, if there's a groundbreaking moment, you don't allow them to just go back to normal.

Well, I mean, I think he's probably exhausted. Yeah. He's changed the world by breaking the biggest story ever. You're going to have to three different times. Same story. Different stories about the same story. Yes. All broken.

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So we jump in here, Jordan, and Alex is not talking much about the Boston situation at all at the beginning of this show. He's mostly complaining about Janet Napolitano. That seems to be what his, his, his, he's got some big gripes with the head of the Department of Homeland Security. Sure. Which makes sense. Don't we all? Yeah. He says an offshoot of his feelings about Boston and the manhunt.

Sure. Sure. Sure. It's disconnected. It's disjointed. He never brings it all together necessarily, but he's very mad about a couple of things that she has done. And one of them has to do with the DHS budget. A few months ago, and Erin Dykes wrote about this, big sis came out and she said in the press conference, she said, you will not cut our funding.

You will not cut in the growth of it of more than 10% a year or there will be more terror attacks. Now, let me ask you, is there a motive to let terrorism happen or provocateur terrorism or staged terrorism to get $200 billion a year domestically? And that's what this is. So this is a bad thinking on a number of levels. One of this is really terrible thinking is her saying, Hey, you know, if we cut our funding, there's a greater risk of some attack happening. You could hear that as a threat. Yeah. If you're crazy.

And I think he's insinuating that what she means is we're going to stage more terror attacks. If you don't give us the money. If you don't give us the money. Yeah. He thinks it's a shakedown. Right. As opposed to it being like, well, if we aren't able to fund our programs and all this, we will leave areas uncovered. And you know, there's a greater chance of somebody pulling something off.

There's a tone of voice error right here. It's a Alex thinks he can read magical words. Yeah. And the second thing is that he's imagining that she gets that $200 billion. Yeah. It's for her. I don't. I think that the budget is a little too high.

No, no, $200 billion to Janet Napolitano as she sees fit. I would say that there is definitely a fair conversation to be had surrounding like the Department of Homeland Security and all these things. The budgets of these things. Sure. I think that I think that you could have in good faith. Alex is not doing that. Probably not. Because any figure that he's trying to cite necessarily involves so many things that he's pretending it doesn't.

Yeah. Pensions. Yeah. Yeah. This figure is a massive figure, but it also like it extends to like outside of the DHS things within the Department of State. Right. Like that budget is not just like Janet Napolitano's shop. You could stage a lot of terror attacks of $200 billion, Dan.

I suppose you could. So anyway, he's saying it's $200 billion. Sure. Then he actually looks it up and it's about $50 billion. The budget request was $57 billion and they got 47.4. But that's just for the overall office of DHS, not for the 37 agencies. If you count all the money, quote law enforcement agencies or quasi law enforcement homeland security agencies, I think it's about 10 of the 30 plus agencies. It's over $200 billion.

So I mean, what is he, what is he doing? All of the law enforcement agencies like so. Okay. You include like the FBI in there too. All right. He is just saying, find me a series of agencies that will eventually equal up to $200 billion. That's it. I don't care which ones.

He's playing so fast and loose with his terms that it's just like, who gives a shit? That's just the sense I get. It's like, who cares? Yeah. Whatever you're doing. And it's, it's a problem too because that is a conversation that's worth having. Oh, absolutely. About these departments budgets.

But when you do it disingenuously like this, it just, it takes away from the ability to actually have that conversation. Yeah. No. If you read anything about the attempts to audit the Pentagon, it is a fucking Kafka-esque nightmare where you like everybody realizes at a certain point and they've done this over and over, over again. It's like nobody in the Pentagon actually knows where the money is going.

It's all theoretical. It's kind of like info wars. Yeah. A little bit. Alex, all these, these, these times he's been deposed and like, who runs what? I don't know. No one knows anything. Good.

Anybody could now. So I think Alex is a little bit distracted on this episode. Right. That is because he went and saw a movie last night. Okay. And let me tell you, he loved it. Guys, will you pull up the rise of the machine's end of humanity, October issue of info wars magazine or go to Weldon, get me a copy right now, please.

Back in the warehouse. They kept some back is collector's items. Bring me the second issue place because nowhere, I looked this up last night, nowhere, nowhere online. I don't know how they've done it. And I was joking when I said I'd go and take photos to show you, I can just tell you nowhere online do they show you the, the villain, the bad guy in oblivion. They said they've kept this movie secret like nothing else.

And that they're obsessed with that obviously now it's out, so it's not a secret. The bad guy from the movie is on the cover of my magazine from October of last year out of my mind. Um, that's why this movie freaked me out so bad. So Alex saw oblivion right and he can't stop talking about it. If I were to do an app, like if I were to cut a ton of clips for this episode, so much of it would just be like oblivion spells out the globalist plans. It is a revolution.

It is a revelation of the Illuminati. And this is all because he guessed the bad guy. Well, I want to talk to you about that's what I was wondering. I have that issue of, uh, I'm not super interested in how the image on the cover of his October 2012 magazine shares some similarities with the pyramid or the Tet in oblivion. There are some similarities, but there are also some differences for one. The form in oblivion is not really a pyramid. It does have a triangular shape, but it doesn't go out to three points.

Also it's upside down. If you're trying to make it look like pyramids, there's who cares. I don't really give a shit about this. All right. And here's why. If you look at that cover of Alex's 2012 October magazine, you'll see a black pyramid with a red eye. If that's what you want to call it.

It looks like the pyramid in oblivion also had a red eye, though the placement is different. But this stylistic stuff is kind of secondary to the main point. I know for a fact that the image on the cover of Alex's magazine is just a Photoshop of how from 2001, I could say that directly from his imagination. Dan, I could tell you with a hundred percent certainty and here's how I know on that cover, the eye has the same three white lines on the top, uh, in on the cover of Alex's magazine, which are the reflections of the lights that you see on how Alex wasn't channeling any deep truth or vision when he designed that magazine cover, he was just stealing shit

from 2001. It's basically sure, sure, sure, sure. He can run around pretending that he has these prophetic visions all he wants, but the reality is that he's just seen a number of sci-fi movies and he thinks they're real. The makers of oblivion probably added some sort of aesthetic touches to be an homage to 2001, but Alex is too far gone to understand that they're both cribbing from the same original sci-fi source. I got you.

It's ridiculous. I got you. He spends a long time on this episode about oblivion and I'd have zero. It's not as funny as his, uh, Watchman review, right? Right. So I don't have a ton of clips of that, but it does definitely shade his mental state on this day. Okay.

On this April 23rd, he seems borderline obsessed with this movie. I see. I really feel like just yesterday, he was crowing about having defeated the globalists and this is the biggest conspiracy really that if he had uncovered, uh, then he did uncover the greatest. We got him. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So that would be something that you never, like the drum beat has to go on until somebody's fired until something like that. You saw a Tom Cruise movie. All right. Okay. Well, then there we go.

That takes up a lot of his attention. This is an issue for me. Yeah. So he starts getting into, uh, talking about how you gotta, you know, gotta live, you know, you gotta. Sure. You gotta, you know, the globalists want to destroy you and he's, I think he ends up saying something really dangerous here in this next clip.

They're going to force more people on drugs than you're going to have more mass shootings and the answer will be more psychologists, more psychiatrists as the priest guild to go around and drug America out so bad that we fall because the world is going to get so horrible, you're going to want drugs to get you out of it. The GMO, the fluoride, the chemicals in the water, when all you really need is to go out and play sports with your friends, climb a hill, go for a swim and yeah, go get drunk if you want to. I'm not even saying that's the best thing out there, but it's a lot better than Prozac

type drugs. I would say, I would say that those things aren't bad suggestions, you know, go climb a hill, have a drink with your friends like those aren't bad suggestions, but when it's in opposition to taking care of your mental health, I think that's where you get pretty dangerous. What are you talking about? Why are you going to a psychiatrist? Why not just live like Tom Sawyer that he wasn't depressed now, was he have a good time?

He had a great time tricking people into whitewashing things. Look at that guy. Yeah, I think that's a little bit dangerous. Hey, go out, get shit-faced. What kind of shitty psychiatrist would be like, Hey, you know what? You can take Prozac, but what I recommend is just go get drunk. Seems like an Alex Jonesy in school of psychology that I do not subscribe to. But, you know, like he is the pillar of mental health.

Like he is the image of what a well-adjusted person would look like. Right, right, right. He believes he steals things from 2001 Space Odyssey. He believes they're real and then thinks that other movies are ripping off his magazine cover or they're both channeling the globalists. Right. Of course, you know, this guy is saying he's got it all. Yeah.

And I think his sanity is really on full display in this next clip. Oh, it's so liberal, like the baby swimming in the toilet and people on my YouTube made jokes on in force going, there are too many people, Jones. You know, don't tell them what to do. You know, the baby's getting exercise. I'll get you when you're a little dog, too. Oh, yeah, you're real powerful, all you evil people. I bet you'd be real tough in the ring with somebody with a battle axe.

Here, here's your battle axe. Here's a good guy up against any dales. Smash your guts into the ground. But only because we know we're dealing with some scum that's got to be put down. We don't enjoy it. We'll crush you for the innocence, not because we enjoy it. Your cowards, your cowards and the only six satisfaction I've gotten. I repent for it is knowing this evil system you're bringing in is going to

tear your guts out slow. Doesn't sound like you're damned to hell after that. Make sure you know that. Do not stare too long into the abyss, let's you become the abyss. I love it. So I'm not entirely sure what story Alex is talking about with the fetus in a toilet, but I know I've heard him refer to it in passing multiple times. It's very hard to trace down exactly what he's talking about since he's so vague.

You know, like there's there's probably a real story that he's talking about, but I can't credibly tell you exactly what it is. But I imagine that there's a good chance that it's just some sort of a disingenuous anti-abortion campaign. Sure. Sure. Sure. I would assume I think fetus in a toilet sounds more like a ween cover band, but that's just me. Could be. Yeah. Well, when you try to find out what story this could be and like what I did is I went through Google results with the end date being when this episode came out.

Sure. Sure. Sure. Anything before that. Yeah. And all you end up finding really is just, it's just mostly stories about people who had miscarriages, which don't in any way support the narrative Alex is trying to sell here. The rest of the stories I could find mostly had to do with high schoolers, like people who gave birth in a toilet at their school. Yeah. Like horrifying stories that are way too sad that it for me to even really get into here. But these are the very people like these high schoolers who are in the most need of better reproductive health services.

If Alex is truly concerned about these kinds of stories that he's yelling about, the answer is greater access to things like Planned Parenthood, not yelling at people about the devil. I don't know. Also, small point. Alex just went on that rant about taking no pleasure in killing people and all that, which is par for the course for him. But let's be clear about this. What prompted that rant is comments, his own fans made on his videos and articles. These aren't the globalist he's mad at. The globalists aren't the abyss.

His audience is. He's accidentally making that point very clear. He posts this video that's this article about a fetus in a toilet and his audience says a bunch of shitty things. And he's like, Oh, you damn globalist. How dare you globalists? It's very strange. Yeah, that's that's no good.

No. So Alex gets from here. He jumps into some gun fear news because it wouldn't be a full day on his show where they're not to be gun fears. And then you get things like this in the Huffington Post. California Gun Confiscation Bill passes, approves 24 million to expedite illegal gun seizure. And it says it makes your semi-autos basically illegal. Nope. And will begin the door to door confiscation of 40,000 handguns and assault

weapons illegally owned by Californians. SB 140. Oh, man, did you catch that he said illegally owned? I was going to say, it seems like even he would be fine with people who illegally own things, having that being like, should stop, stop using illegally owned things. Yeah, that bill is exclusively and entirely about people who have guns who are not legally allowed to possess guns when he says 40,000 guns. That figure comes from the bill where it says, quote, there are currently more

than 20,000 armed prohibited persons in California. Collectively, these individuals are believed to be in possession of over 39,000 handguns and 1,670 assault weapons. The bill has nothing to do with door to door confiscation of guns from civilians. It's about providing funding to improve the armed prohibited person system, which is an online database that gun dealers are supposed to cross reference when people are trying to buy firearms. A large part of it had to do with updating things.

So people who bought guns when they were legally allowed to buy them, but then lost their right to own a gun because of a violent crime or something like that, that the system would pick those people up. And maybe that would end up involving a confiscation. But to be fair, good, they have a gun illegally. Literally, the only thing this bill deals with is increasing the state's ability to enforce the laws that are already in place. If you disagree that people who've, I don't know, let's say committed

a violent crime in the past shouldn't be allowed to own an assault weapon, then you should make that argument because that's the argument Alex should be making here. But I suspect that he knows that he doesn't have the chops to pull that off. It's super difficult to go on air and say, I'm opposed to this bill because I think the people who've committed armed robberies or shop people in the past should be totally free to possess guns. So you change the argument. Alex creates a straw man.

This is about legal gun owners or at least trying to create the impression that that's what this is about being targeted by the evil state for gun confiscation. That's easier to sell. This is the trick. And that's how it's carried out. He makes this rhetoric much more marketable and people buy into it because they don't want legal gun owners having their guns seized. But in reality, what they're doing is supporting violent felons having access to guns. Like it's, I don't know.

He even can't handle telling this story the way he means to. So when he reads it, it says illegal guns in the in the copy that he's reading. That's not good. No, I mean, I think that murderers should be allowed to own weapons. As Dr. Phil said, past behavior is not a predictor of future events. So we can be confident that somebody who has murdered in the past will use that gun only for recreational purposes from here on out. Well, see, here's the thing.

If you want to make that argument, you can. And then someone would probably disagree with you and then, you know, whatever who has the best idea will win out in the marketplace of ideas. I don't like that because my idea is going to lose. I'm going to cheat instead, Dan. Yeah, whenever you it's just all disingenuous framing. That's all that's all that's going on. Yeah, it's great.

You should not. That's a it because it doesn't even matter that he says illegally. Everybody who's listening is going to be like, oh, illegally is just their slippery slope argument. If first they come for the illegal guns and next they're going to come for mine. If need be, it'll come to that. But instead, it'll just be presented as if this story was about. They're going to come door to door.

Take all of your guns. Everybody's guns. What even like he slipped up. He didn't mean to say illegal guns. No, no, no, absolutely. Because the rest of the episode, when he's talking about this story, it's not in the context of people who are not legally allowed to have guns. Of course.

Of course. So it's door to door confiscation of law abiding citizens who happen to own illegal guns. Every single one of you. So Alex is trying to get some news articles going. He decides he's going to Google a little article and it doesn't work out well. Okay. And this, this, this was a little upsetting.

Watch this army trains. To shoot Americans that don't turn in guns. And, and, and, you know, my, uh, this is still not working. It's still not typing. Um, my, um, I'm going to probably need to get a new computer or get it worked on or, or what I normally do is I normally was break a computer. That's the only way I get a new computer. I just break it quietly, take it, smash it, but in the trash.

I've actually done that. And then that's how I get a new computer. Cause this is, I've been going, this has been going on for about a week. Is it time for this computer to die? This is a real childish behavior. I, I'm having trouble with my computer. So I break it to force people to buy a new one. You need to go outside.

You need to go on a hill. You need, maybe have a drink. That's better than Prozac, or, uh, you could smash this shit out of your computer every time you, because as a minor function, don't know how to fucking, he reads his typing like a fucking bit about somebody who can't read and type. It's like, uh, someone doing a, uh, improv scene about hunting pack. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. Absolutely. This isn't typing. I want to see, uh, six dogs play with lions. Click. Oh, damn it. Got to break it. I got to break this whole fucking computer.

This isn't working the way I wanted it to smash. Recycling. It's ridiculous. Ridiculous. But that's it. That's his problem. Wow. So, uh, there's no guests on this episode.

Alex is, uh, on his own, just sort of letting it all hang out. Just freestyling. So he's got to take some calls. He's got to open lines of this thing. Oh, that's not good. Um, and he gets a call from a guy who wants to tell him about how Alex has taught him how to experience the world. Oh, I just want to, I just want to thank you for what you're doing.

I'm a, I go month to month on prison planet to support you a little bit more. I want to encourage current prison planet members to do that. And for those of you that are listening, because you're getting so much traffic right now, you got to take a look at what Alex Jones has done over the past 15 years. This is the information that he throws out there. I mean, it's because of your information hours, but I no longer just hear the news. I, I create a web of information in my mind and it is so, I can't tell you how

liberating it is to be able to discern from the news, not just hear the news. And so I, I can't thank you enough for helping me do that. By the way, brother, what that is, is, is, is you haven't really brain boosted. You're just awake now. Ah, so close to a brain boost though. Plant. I don't know. I think that could very easily be a real call.

Yeah, that's true. You've taught me how to build a web of information in my mind. That's all, like all Alex has done, like we, especially, particularly in this, um, post Boston bombing stretch that we've been in, all he's been doing is making shit up. Yeah. Like he is just whatever he feels like could be true. He just writes a story about it is true.

There is nothing, uh, supporting these things. What's crazy is 99% of the time it is true, except that 1% that is always actually, right? Well, yes, that's true, but 99% of the time it would have been true. We learned on our last episode that Alex believes there's an objective reality, so that is going to be a problem, uh, for truth. Oh boy. But you know, he has this behavior that he's just that he embodies that is,

I'm going to just make fucking shit up very authoritatively and very confidently. And that's, uh, that behavior is mirrored by his audience. He frees them up to make webs in their mind of information. That's might link here. That's not good. No, of course not. Like it's bad when he's doing it. It's really bad to imagine that it sort of gives carte blanche to anyone to do

it. Right? Cause who knows what Alex is a bad thinker, but I bet there are worse. I bet there are 100% 100% Many of them in his audience and I mean, just by virtue of him being somewhat constrained, uh, on the, uh, on the radio, his bad thinking only goes so far. Whereas if you're just somebody quiet and alone, uh, watching fucking raging bull on a loop, you're, you're going to be in trouble.

Well, he's constrained by his own success. Right. Like he doesn't want to lose that money. Right. Right. Right. So that, that is a built in boundary that, uh, at least at this point in his career he has, where he can't go too far, less to cash stops.

So like his caller or some. Dick, who just has a blog, they don't have those constraints. No, they got nothing to lose. Yeah. So anyway, like I told you, Alex is super into oblivion and he talks about it through most of this. I'm going to be honest with you. This episode, there is not a lot going on.

Just a lot of oblivion. A lot of oblivion talk and some weird callers. It's kind of, it's very surreal. It almost has nothing to do with the Boston marathon. I don't understand how that's okay. I don't either. They're basically like an off-world group of aliens, but they're humans. They might as well be oblivion.

They might as well be the black pyramid. They might as well be the red eye of Sauron. They believe that's what they're going to become. And you can say, well, they're channeling Satan that is an off-world entity. That's pretty much what it is. I've analyzed this so long. I'll just tell you, Satan's real folks. It's a black fricking pyramid.

That that's what I envision in my mind is Satan six, eight months ago. That's what I envision in my mind when I stole a picture of Hal from 2001, a space Odyssey after years of concrete analysis. I can confidently say to you, Satan's real. And he's a black pyramid. Yep. Duh. All right.

It took me years to come to this conclusion. All right, Alex. Congratulations. I'm glad. I mean, it just, it becomes so difficult. Like when I have my quieter moments of reflection, it just becomes so hard for me to reconcile the fact that like some people like think he knows anything. I know it's bananas.

It's so weird when he's rambling about like, I'm just going to tell you Satan's real is black pyramid. It's the globalist. Sure. Sure. Fine. Okay. Then I'll trust you when you say two pictures are real.

Yeah. Fuck off. It's ridiculous. He needs to, we need to just get him a Tom Cruise movie every night before the show. And then we can just hear his. He's also conflicted about it though, because he doesn't really like Tom Cruise because Tom Cruise apparently used to be friends with Charlie Sheen. Alex doesn't actually spell this out, but you can kind of pick it up from context.

Okay. Tom Cruise tried to get Charlie Sheen to join Scientology. He wasn't into it. Sure. It's another enough friends anymore. Okay. Well, I believe that that's the story that Alex is telling. Anyway, he doesn't really like Tom Cruise.

Okay. But this movie was just so good. So good. So good. It's like edge of tomorrow. It overcomes the Tom Cruisiness of it. It's kind of the same thing that he went through when Elysium came out. I remember hearing a couple of episodes of that where he was really fucked up over it.

He's just a sci-fi nerd. He is. This is it. This is what we wound up with. Yep. He's a sci-fi nerd with a little bit of brain damage who also has some sort of inability to regulate anger. Right.

Yep. That's more or less the ins and outs of this. So another thing is he didn't go to college, but he knows all about what colleges teach now even, even particularly like in the present, particularly now. Yeah. Yeah. He knows, he knows what they're all teaching because of his in-depth

experience with the academic world. Look, everybody who's given a secondary education is taught. There's too many people. Humans are ugly and bad, but only those that love the state are good and virtuous. That's taught standard everywhere that does worldwide in the last hundred years because the robber barons took over education. They are social Darwinists.

They believe your animals and they're doing the world a favorite to kill you. And if you buy into their programming, you deserve it. That's why Kesha and all these others, every major, openly worship Satan and teaches people how to commit suicide. Leave Kesha alone. Oh man, if you buy into it, you deserve it. Just like Kesha, I am a political show. I don't, I don't know if everybody who gets a secondary education is

taught that humans are ugly and bad and evil. Was that in your orientation or did you have to take a one-on-one class on that? I did skip orientation, freshman orientation. See, there you go. I hung out in a kiddie pool with my buddy, Burger. Now that is why you separate kiddie pools out in the backyard as we were a bunch of assholes.

That's why you don't believe in population. Yeah, that must be it. That must have been the meeting. That is it. That's the one. I was told it was just a ice cream gathering. Sure. Icebreakers, everybody's doing the thing.

Yeah, no, you're wrong. That's when they teach you about Satan. I don't know. I took a pretty broad spectrum of classes in my collegiate career and I don't think any one of them was telling me that humans are evil. But then again, I mean, it's years ago. I don't know. Maybe curriculums change.

Yeah, that's true. That is true. Who knows what the Gen Zers are dealing with right now. They're probably, I don't know, learning about climate change. This just seems like somebody who wants to aggressively dismiss and invalidate scholarship. Yes. Yeah.

It's like somebody's like, oh, yeah, they say they're smart, but they're all secretly trying to kill everybody. By virtue of me having dropped out of community college, I now know consequently that everybody who gets a secondary education is evil and you shouldn't trust them. Exactly. Yeah. So right after the marathon bombing, there was those reports of the

rice and letters that got sent to President Obama. Yeah. And as we know from discussing it, it was originally believed to be an Elvis impersonator. Right. Who it was actually being set up by a rival, a conspiracy theory rival. Literally one of the craziest stories I've ever heard. So that story is unfolding in real time now.

Sure. So the first suspect, the Elvis impersonator, is now being released right because the police have realized this isn't our guy. This is not the guy. No. So Alex now believes that he predicted this as well. All right, I'm gonna go to your phone calls right now and then coming up. Oops.

Ryerson suspect released. Was he framed? Of course. And I told you they always launch an anthrax and Ryerson attack during the terror attack to make Congress be part of the narrative like their victims too. That's a script. And I told you that would end up being fake. They always have multiple patsies.

They'll probably kill the third patsy for some reason. They're pathological. They don't. They, uh, the guy ends up getting arrested. He's, he went, he got tried and everything just pretty just worked out. Yeah. No, no, no patsies got killed. Alex has a lot of patsy bodies that are imagined.

Yeah. They don't seem to ever really materialize. Do they have a mass patsy grave? Must. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I mean, this is just like a circumstance again, playing into Alex's perception that, you know, this guy was a patsy. He's set up.

It was all, it was all fake and he was, he was set up and he was a patsy. Yes. But quite literally, this is the first time that we have a actual patsy, but it wasn't from the government. Nope. It was from, from a crazy person. Yeah, it was from a guy that he'd pissed off because he didn't believe in his conspiracy about a hotel morgue.

It was about a guy who bears so many suspicious resemblances to Alex himself. Yeah. I wish you would wrestle with that aspect. I don't think he can do that. No. So, um, Janet Napolitano's comments, uh, about, um, about the, uh, the budget of the DHS was one thing that Alex is mad about. But another thing is that there is an immigration bill, uh, being discussed in

Congress and she is, uh, in support of this and Alex is kind of pissed about that. We're in a desperate situation. I have a stack of news here about what's happening to us physically. People call that negative. I'm supposed to just turn away from everybody, turn away from myself, turn away from my futures, my children's future and just embrace all the liars and all the weird psycho scum like Janet Napolitano that craves running our life and just turn our world over to the very worst people.

Janet Napolitano immigration bill important step, uh, though obviously she hasn't read the 800 page bill. A political says it will cause a generational shift and guaranteed democratic takeover of everything. It's globalist takeover to foreigners. Hey, come in, we'll give you free stuff because you come from countries where no guns are allowed and your slaves, you want to help bring down America? Come on.

And if you actually downloaded info into these foreigners about liberty and freedom and taught them, it wouldn't be that big of a problem, but it's just the end of the country. So the first problem with this clip is that I'm certain that Politico didn't write a straight news article that said added immigrant naturalization would give Democrats perpetual control of everything. Pretty sure that they, I'm not sure that they did. I editorially Politico does add that in with most sentences.

That's just not something a serious person would really suggest, but it does sound exactly like the kind of thing of propagandist like Alex would say, uh, people were saying in order to create fear in his audience. It does sound like that too. Yeah. Secondly, even if that were true, Alex is expressing exactly the same idea here. He's decrying that the Dems and the globalists want to bring in a group of people who would vote in the way they want.

While at the same time he's saying that the influx of people wouldn't be a problem if they had similar political ideas to his Alex can couch his right wing extremism by just calling it believing in the bill of rights and constitution, but that doesn't change what he actually supports. Yeah. If all these people voted the same way and believe the same sort of right wing bullshit that I do, it wouldn't be a problem for immigrants to come in. Yep.

Simple, right? Hmm. This is all, I mean, when you really get down to it, it's all just demographic shift bullshit, same sort of things you hear from white nationalists today, but it's being presented so disingenuously. That's all, that's all that I can really hear here. Yeah, fuck that guy. I don't know, I don't know what to tell you about the more demographic

shift arguments that there are, the more I'm just like, if you say the word demographic in any immigration debate, I'm out, you're, you've revealed exactly what your issue is, which is that you can use the word, but you just can't. No, I know, I know, but that's what I'm saying. That's when the word comes up only. Yeah. So look, the most of this episode has nothing to do with Boston. Alex does complain that they're under martial law, which they weren't sure.

And then also brings up the people being having their homes searched, which again, we talked about on the last episode. Like he brings those up as little touch points occasionally, but doesn't really get into a whole lot of it. The only real kind of substance that I found that had to do with Boston is when a caller brings up Johar and his bag. Samuel in New Jersey, you're on the air. Go ahead.

Hey, I haven't listened to you guys over the past couple of days, and I don't know if you noticed this, but if you look at the two pictures of the Boston bombing suspects that they have with the backpacks on, one of them has a great backpack. The other one has a white backpack with the backpack with the bomb and it was black. Yep. No, no, both the bombs were in black backpacks and we have people there

seeing it with exact same backpacks and you had everybody there with black backpacks because it was part of the drill so that nobody found the real bomb. Alex is just completely making up that both of the bombs were in black backpacks. That I mean, he's just making shit up. Yeah. I like a, I like a caller giving us some Mcadoo news. Uh-huh.

Oh yeah. A few days ago. Yeah. Leanne brought that to the table. 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:45,400 Yeah. It's good to know that even the callers don't listen to a woman talking either.

No, certainly not. Yeah. So Alex is getting like, he's doing some actual research here on these pressure cookers that were supposed to be in these backpacks and by research, I mean, he's trying to put a pressure cooker into a backpack. See, now that's kind of what I thought you were going to say, but I thought that was too stupid. He calls it a behind the scenes investigation.

No, no, stop it right now. Though we're doing a behind the scenes study with that very pressure cooker. Looks like you couldn't cram it in there and then put it in another backpack. Plus they had small backpacks. If the glove doesn't fit, you must quit. Okay. Okay. Might not be the reference you want to make.

00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,600 Yep, yep, yep. Just, just like this situation, I am going to try and quit a man who clearly did it. This is the clearest articulation yet of Alex explicitly trying to claim that the Sarnev brothers are innocent, which is pretty fucked up. But at this point, the case hadn't gone to court, so it's totally understandable to be reluctant to jump to conclusions.

But to argue emphatically for his innocence is a little bit strange. Yeah. Alex wasn't the only one engaging in this sort of behavior. According to an April 22nd article in Wired, a whole community of Johar supporters had popped up on social media, pushing the hashtag free Johar. People were posting all sorts of bullshit from your normal false flag stuff, all the way to insisting that the victims must have been fake

because they didn't feel that there was enough blood around. There it is. A not insignificant number of these accounts were citing in fours articles to help support their claims that Johar was innocent and should be released. Now in 2019, it's hard to look at that and not wonder if it was organic. The way we've seen social media be manipulated, particularly around hot button issues and divisive events,

kind of makes me wary. I have little enough faith in the conspiracy folks that I could definitely believe this kind of campaign was well within their repertoire and could be a thing that they would do. But at this point, I have no idea what to think. Yeah. And that's not to say that I think that there's a possibility of foreign meddling. Right, right, right.

But there's ways that people could game social media in ways that we didn't realize maybe, some people probably realized, but we weren't super aware of. Yeah, and we do know that the bot farms and the like, we're being at least tested in 2013. Sure. So it's entirely possible that that is an outside situation. I think that's a much more difficult conclusion to come to.

But the strategies of social media manipulation and amplification are things that people could have stumbled upon in conspiracy worlds. Let's say somebody might have figured out, oh, here's a good way to push a hashtag. We have a bunch of connected accounts or whatever, all pushing it out. Like there is something here that could be very nascent forms of that sort of social media manipulation. And when I think back to Alex's like earlier career, he was doing a lot of shit like that,

not necessarily that I'm aware of on social media, but one of the things that he used to do was he would do Google bombs where he would tell all of his audience to Google a specific phrase in order to make it rise up in the Google trends. So it would show up in suggested searches, like did that with like false flag and that sort of thing. I just, I wonder, I have nothing to base this on. I can't prove it.

But I do wonder about the organic-ness of that sort of hashtag. Yeah. Totally possibly organic? No, absolutely. That is also the type of thing that they would do. But now in retrospect, with all the information we have about how the algorithm has been exploited over time and how we weren't really paying attention to it,

it is hard to look at so many of these situations in the past and not at least suspect, oh shit, was that whenever it first reared its ugly head or the like, or the Tea Party being astroturfed in a kind of orchestrated media attack on us is very similar. I never know what's real. It's hard to know. And that's kind of one of the reasons

why I discount a whole lot of social media stuff. And I think it's not worth really getting to up in arms about a lot of that kind of thing. But I'm curious. I don't know what's going on. But this caller that Alex is talking to, we find out a little bit more information about him and it makes this interaction completely unacceptable.

I probably listen to you almost every day and I'm actually 14 years old. And when I first started talking about stuff like this, people, yeah, it was kind of annoying or embarrassing. But I just learned not to care anymore. Or people can be here. I mean, you probably have so many people that hate you or make fun of you or call you crazy or stuff like this.

But, you know. No, no, they're the ones that are crazy. Look at this CNS news story. Teacher Sue's school over suspension for weapons charge, showing students gardening tools. So this story is a little bit of a middle ground case for me. There's about a guy named Doug Bartlett who got suspended from his teaching job

for bringing gardening tools to school to show his students. So after he got fired, he decided to sue the school, or not got fired when he got suspended. He decided to sue the school. Yeah. Is that punishment of the suspension a little bit excessive? Possibly.

But also these are sharp tools that could definitely hurt somebody. And it was a second grade class. These are like eight year old kids in that class. So it doesn't make a ton of sense to have sharp objects around them. Right. You can't even have sharp scissors. The way the right wing media presented the story

was that Bartlett had just brought a screwdriver and a wrench to teach the kids about gardening. But the reality is a little bit different. He also brought in a box cutter and a pocket knife. Six chainsaws that he also began to juggle flames. It was an unsafe working environment, at least. The school review board found that while the discussion of tools is part of the proper curriculum,

he was a little bit outside of what they consider appropriate. The right wing media also said that the screwdriver and wrench were kept in a locked box out of the reach of the students, but this is directly contradicted by the findings that came out when the case was dismissed in 2014. From the Cook County record, quote, the imposition of a four day suspension

for leaving such tools in a place accessible to second grade students was within the discretion of the school administrators. These situations are always, literally, always more complicated than the way Alex presents them. He wants cut and dry social crisis issues to sell his audience, not nuance. He wants them to think that this globalist system

is so out of control, but in reality, if you look at the actual details of the case, it kind of makes sense why this guy might get suspended for a few days. It's bad enough that Alex does this stuff generally, but to consider that he does this while talking to a 14 year old child who listens to his show every day is monstrous.

That is so inappropriate. Especially since the kid is clearly expressing feelings of isolation and loneliness, and rather than be like, hey, you know what? You should still try and connect with people. Alex is like, everyone you know is lying. They're all crazy.

You know, what the kid's expressing is, I express the ideas that I learn from you, and people think that I'm crazy because of it. Ah, no, no, they're crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's abuse, man. Yeah. You can't act like that.

Join my cult. You can't act like that. You can come live with me. I can't accept that Alex takes calls from minors, period. Yeah, no shit. That is inappropriate. He should not be talking to children. It is a family show, Dan.

It's a family show. It is not a family show. It is a family show. I think that he always talks about how you don't screen your calls. You should start screening your calls if you don't have 14 year olds on air. You were just yelling about how you're not going to take joy in it, but you're going to kill all these people who are all evil.

And the devil is a black pyramid. And don't talk to kids. He is definitely looking into the abyss right now. And woo boy. And it gets worse. I mean, as the call goes on, this, I think that it's fair to say that this call, or this next clip of the call,

is Alex just fucking with this kid's mind. And of course, we've all heard about those stories. Isn't that good, sir? You don't want to be an extremist, do you? You know, like, yeah, I, that can be, boy, it is an all-in-hated gun. I don't understand. When do we fail our generation with weapons?

I mean, weapons? Sir, here's the deal. None of it makes sense because it's not meant to. Psych warfare chiefs whose religion is eugenics are in control. Kids, like 14 year olds can't deal with this stuff. I mean, I'm not trying to infantilize teenagers or anything, but what Alex is talking about is outside of the range. A 14 year old is not equipped to deal with that being true or not.

He is impressionable. He looks up to Alex and he's steering him down a very fucked up path. Cool, Alex. I'm at lunch. I'm going to take this information to biology next period, and he's going to be talking about fucking Gregor Mendel, and I'm going to be like, have you considered whether or not the overlords

are dedicated eugenicists? Discuss. It's not good. No. And, you know, I often wrestle with like, what is the worst behavior I've ever seen out of Alex? And it's tough. It's tough.

That's like asking what's the worst behavior I've ever seen. Yeah, it's close. There's so many things. The denial of people's personal tragedies, the calls for harassment that are very clear, if not literal. Those sorts of things are terrible. The profiting off denial of people's tragedies.

Right. Right. All right. The lies, the it's all really bad, but in the running, it's definitely like destroying children's brains. This isn't the only person who's under even 16, who I've heard call in that Alex behaves this way towards. There was like, as I recall, there was a 12 year old I've heard

calling that we've talked about on the show before. And like that is, that is a level of inappropriate that I can't, like he's an adult. Yeah. He's an adult. He has kids. Your parents didn't even allow you to watch fucking late night TV. What is this kids parents doing letting them listen to Alex Jones?

They don't know. Probably. I don't know. They might listen to. Look, I think my parents are overly sensorious and very much controlling on a level that, you know, I could deal with a little bit less of that. Right. My youth, but if the goal was to keep me away from stuff like this,

yeah, good on that. That's a good motivation. Yeah. Yeah. I just, they're pure hearted. This is a, yeah. So Alex gets another call and it's a caller who I don't know. I don't know if this caller is an idiot,

but Alex says something really stupid. Okay. In Texas, Jeff, you're on the air. Go ahead. Yeah. Turn your radio off, bud. Give me a favor. Okay.

That's not going to work. Do me a favor. What are you doing today? I'm doing all right. Go ahead. Hey, uh, yeah, I, um, I've been awake since about, let's see, when George Bush Jr. became our president and, um, I got awake when he wouldn't close the borders down, when he said, oh, all the terrorists were coming in and the guy wouldn't close the

borders, then I'd be like, okay, there's supposed to be a terrorist threat, but you won't close our border. Um, and it's just all totally meant to be transparent. They're just training us. They're going to ask for mass sacrifice of our kids soon publicly. I'm telling you, people don't believe that. They're already saying kill babies up to age three. Ha, ha, ha, the baby drowned in the toilet, kill the babies, kill, kill, kill.

You know, I mean, it's just a bunch of sick freaks. What a great prediction. Mass sacrifice of children coming soon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bad prediction. Uh, there's a 14 year old who's listening. Yeah. Yeah, Alex.

Great. So we got another caller here who thinks the Hunger Games is real, which makes sense because he's listening to Alex's show, who believes that every fucking movie is real. But also with the movie Hunger Games, to me, that's a movie that's just showing where they want the U S to go. No, that's actually in the UN biological diversity assessment 1996, the full one.

I have screenshots of my film road to tyranny. I had to go to UT to get the actual document, you know, the full document, not just the boil down. And it said we want to bring in world government and reestablish gladiatorial games and human sacrifice to reduce world population. How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that gladiatorial games would do anything to impact population? That would, uh, that would, that would really cut it.

That would really take us down one at a time, I guess. That's the least efficient system. The glowers could ever come up. All right. How many battles can we have in a day with the gladiatorial games? Let's say we have a, you know, two one-on-one matches and a couple of battle royals. We get rid of 400 a day, Dan. By 2025, we're free and clear.

No, no fucking way is gladiatorial games the solution to overpopulation. It's ridiculous. Oh man. I think, uh, I think I would prefer a future where battle royal is real as opposed to, uh, the hunger games. That's, that's my flavor of making kids murder each other. I would rather neither. Yeah.

Okay. Thank God they're both fiction. Yeah. Yuck. But oblivion did come true. That is true. So Alex is now fucked with his 14 year old's mind. He said that there's going to be mass child sacrifices in the very near future.

Naturally. And that the globalists want to bring back gladiatorial games in order to reduce population. Sure. So this is a good summation. Where would we have them? This is a good summation of what he's trying to do on his show. We're going to go back to more of your phone calls here.

You know, we're just doing our best to get people thinking, to get people understanding what's happening and what's going on. Yeah. Doing a great job getting people thinking gladiatorial games are coming. And, uh, mass child sacrifices for the globalists who worship the giant black pyramid that is satan. Yeah. That has an eye that is photoshopped from how

Yeah. This is such a stupid show. I got it. I'm really struggling to remember that yesterday, not, not like this is a week in the past and we've all kind of moved on the 24 hour news cycle and whatnot, lack of attention span. This is yesterday that he was saying that full on martial law was being declared. Yeah. That everybody in Boston was being held inside so they could murder hundreds of fake patsies.

Yeah. And then the next day he's just like, man, you're going to take some calls. You're 14. Let's fuck you up. I don't know. What is this? It's you can't do that. It's an insane thing.

And that's, I mean, this is the lesson that we keep learning over and over again that is like, you just never know what he's going to do. No, you know, you have an expectation, you know, his patterns, you know, like, but one of his patterns is a complete unpredictability that he might just go watch oblivion, get really fucked up the night before, really freak out about it and then come in to studio and his show is a complete disaster. That's probably the really, really good evidence for why he knows he's full of shit, because if you actually were on the greatest story in history of a major United States city

being put under martial law and hundreds of people being murdered, you would doggedly pursue it. It would be a daily, you would have FOIA requests. You would do the whole thing. This would never go away. What don't you understand about his in-depth investigation? Try to put a pressure cooker in a backpack. What don't you understand? Oh, that's right.

That's right. I forgot. I forgot. That investigation is ongoing. I retract my statement entirely. I forgot that he was still investigating. I apologize. Yeah.

So he talks about oblivion and he's talking about these authors of the movie. The guy wrote the graphic novel and then the person who adapted it. These people are like exposing parts of the Illuminati and the globalist plan. Sure. Then he only has one other author he can really compare it to and someone we've... Arthur C. Clark? Nope. As so many of their writers have talked about, I talk about why the future doesn't need us a

lot and Wired Magazine in April 2000, Bill Joy, talked about it hundreds of times because you can go read that. He goes to a globalist conference. There's 200 top tech people there. They have a discussion. Do we kill everybody? Nope. That's better for the earth or do we let people just play video games all day and become fat blobs

like Wally, you know, where it's a computerized system taking care of people that can't even walk and that's where it's going. No. They're not going to push you in the trance state so you can drink pina coladas on the deck of a star cruiser. They're already killing us. The decision has been made. And they're going towards a hotter program and by a hotter program, a faster program.

And I know I just keep like an emergency beacon going. Emergency, emergency, emergency. To the point of I just can't be around people who don't take this serious anymore. And you know what? I could become really aggressive too and everything because I'm in combat. Ladies and gentlemen, I know I'm right and it is so exhausting to care about humanity, to care about you and your family, to care about you and your children because I just want survival.

I mean, I'm right about this and you have to make the decision to research it so you know what's going on. And if you do, you find out that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Ever. Even if you research just Bill Joy's article, you don't, you realize, oh, you're full of shit. Yep. The only thing that Alex took from that Bill Joy article is a passage that's quoting

the unabomber that Bill Joy put in the article discussing fucked up version of views of the future. That is all Alex knows about this article. And he claims that it's what Bill Joy heard at this convention. It's fucking the unabomber. Right. Okay. So you go to this convention.

Do they read the notes from the previous meeting or do they just open with should we kill everybody? I mean, the way Alex is presenting it, it's just we get down to business. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've decided we're going to kill everyone. They don't have time.

Their plan is a decade behind. Damn. We know this. So exhausting. It's always 10 years behind. I mean, if you really were right, I doubt you would have to say I'm right twice in your sort of breakdown about like, I can't be around people who don't share my delusions anymore. Yeah.

I'm right. Yeah. No, I think people would be would be fine. Would be fine if you if you were right. So Alex oblivion. I keep bringing this up because he does. Yeah. This next clip I find a little bit upsetting because I think Alex legitimately almost

starts crying talking about oblivion. I mean, we are under mega attack, ladies and gentlemen, and I am just a desperate primitive human. And by primitive, that's more advanced than what we are now. I'm just a primitive person. Life force directives that is just sitting here going, oh, my God, they're openly admitting this whole program. And then I see something like oblivion that the more I mean, just every 30 seconds

was a different archetype message. And it was all positive. And it was about rebirth and regeneration and, you know, the children, but also in the genetics, there being memories, which has been proven and the cold-blooded psychopath system versus love and the soul and how compartmentalization is used to control everybody. And it is just, it is just beyond insane. And I just feel an overriding responsibility to try to stop this. I mean, I can hardly be around my children because they're so innocent, they're so good.

And it doesn't even make me angry when I think about the new world order now. It is so evil. Oh, God. I just, I hear clips like that. It's like, you should, I don't want to live in a society where people aren't allowed to see certain movies. You're, I think you're blaming the wrong side of the media here on this one, Dad. I think you might be going the other direction.

No, no, no, I'm not saying outlaw oblivion. I'm saying outlaw Alex from seeing oblivion. I don't know how you'd implement that system. It's like, it's like a, it's like the R rating. You know, they added PG 13. This is just not for Alex. NFA, this is rated NFA. Can't tell the difference between fiction and reality.

You don't get to see dystopic sci-fi. That's, that's going to be a new warning on those TV, MA TV delusional. Just get the fuck out of here. I mean, I listened to that clip and I was, I find it so upsetting. Yeah. Like, yeah. I feel such a responsibility to stop this, the oblivion. I, I, I genuinely got in my head, like when he was going through this whole thing,

I was like, man, I kind of want to do a sci-fi 24 hour marathon with Alex and just see what he believes in what he doesn't. I could hear. I don't want him to explain anything to me. I want to watch his face. If it's dystopian, he believes it. Of course. If it's not dystopian, he probably believes it.

I don't fucking know. It's ridiculous. So anyway, liberals, you know liberals, I've heard of them. They want to kill you. That does sound like us. They want to kill everyone. Yeah.

But sure. But if you try to kill them, they'll stop you. They're total hypocrites. It's that's right. Books about us talking about how we're animals, they're going to kill. And then I even talked to yuppies and they go, yeah, we are dumb, ugly animals, humanity's ugly and dumb and we need to die. And I said, but if I right now tried to kill you, you would fight for your life

and call the police and they don't even know what to say. They're like, yeah, I say this to people. Are you threatening me? And I go, don't be an intellectual dimwit. You're supposed to be this big smart liberal who's really authoritarian. You know, you just said we all need to die, but you're going to fight if I attack you, right? Well, of course I am.

And I go, well, then why have you bought into something? You don't just say you're part of this and then not really be part of it. Kill yourself. Plus you're not part of it. I mean, how many times, how many different ways do I have to say this to you? So, so frustrated by this logic trap. He keeps putting authoritarian liberals in and they have no way around it. You think the human race is bad and ugly and you want to kill them?

Well, yeah. Well, what if I tried to kill you? You'd stop me, right? Point proven. I don't agree with anything you just said. Point proven. Fucking debate me. If you, if you've decided that all of your enemies are trying to depopulate the planet,

then conversation becomes difficult because they're going to need to clarify that first premise in order to go to any further conversation and you're not going to let them. You're not. No, no, no, absolutely not. No, because if you say things like I would like to provide reproductive health care for people in developing countries, you just want to kill everyone. Well, no. And that's why you want to kill me, but then you don't want to die.

I can't. I got to go. I got to go. Yeah. That whole like them. They don't even know what to say is like, yeah, yeah, that's that's the correct response to you, Alex. Yeah, because your argument's silly.

It's not worth it. No. So earlier when Alex was talking about this immigration bill, there were shades of some feelings that he has about demographics and all of that. Right. It didn't feel very comfortable. And so he talks about it a little bit more here in a way that I feel like it makes it a little worse.

I mean, the globalists are opening the borders up to the entire collapsed world that they have collapsed with their policies, bringing in people with no history of freedom to say you get your freedom by bringing down the Second Amendment. That is taught now as a sacrament to look to Latin Americans coming in that you're going to have your victory over the gringos when you get their guns when it should be. Hey, if you want to come to America, that's one thing. The government isn't your friend. We you deserve guns.

You deserve freedom, but they're tying their rebellion and their liberty to taking everybody's guns and America being like Mexico or Nigeria. So I mean, it's tough to hear that and not hear some racial tinges to do his feelings about immigrants. It's one thing if we let in everybody who's white and votes Republican, but then you let in people who aren't white and don't vote Republican, they believe anything. They're going to take the gringos. It's a sacrament for Latin American immigrants to take white people's guns.

That seems fucked up. The idea that there's something like you're going to bring in people who don't know any who aren't used to freedom is like a is a reason to keep people out. They're not they're not used to freedom. They're not ready for freedom yet. They're acclimated to. Yeah, we need to get them into like a halfway house where you're a little free, but not all the way free because if they're free here when they're not used to it,

who knows what they'll do. It's it's strange. His feelings are muddy to say the to put it as nicely as possible. There's not a lot of clarity. Yeah. But it seems bad. So one of his big complaints about Janet Napolitano and her position on the immigration bill is that he insists she hasn't read it.

And he's basing this on a little bit of a Q and a question and answer session with Ted Cruz who asks her who is not her. No, he's but he asks Napolitano. She's read the bill. Sure. So here's Alex's big gotcha moment. Okay. I'm really impressed with Ted Cruz.

Said no one and let's go but let's go ahead and see if Janet's read the 800 page bill. Here it is. My office received the text of this bill at 225 a.m. on Wednesday, April 17th, five days ago. The bill is 844 pages long. It is dealing with a very complicated topic. And my first question is when did your office receive a copy of the bill as filed? About three o'clock in the morning. I think that's about right.

In the five days since then when you have obviously been heavily focused on matters such as the Boston bombing and quite properly focused on matters such as that. Have you had the time to read all 844 pages of the bill? Actually, I have read the bill. I know many sections of the bill fairly well. So I was able to skim those sections, but I have been able to review the bill. Yes, sir. Well, okay, then that has been a busy weekend for you.

Total bull. Yes, sir. Very busy. Oh, yes. That was a busy with the stuff that goes on at your house. I bet you know what happens to the men at your office. I mean, what a monster total witchy poo lies. So his gotcha moment is Ted Cruz asking if she's read the bill and she's like,

I'm familiar with a lot of it. So I was able to skim some parts, but yeah, I'm familiar with the bill. Haha, liar. What? That's not where's the proof she hasn't read the fair. That's not fair. Do you think she doesn't have a staff? That is not fair.

Do you think that is that is rude? Yeah, I feel I feel like I was just. You can't just play a clip of her being like, yeah, I read the bill and then be like, haha, I tricked you. You didn't. You didn't. You haven't proved that she didn't read it. Of course not.

It's 800 pages, but let's say she has like a staff of seven interns. Yeah. In five days, you think they couldn't handle their responsibilities plus reading, let's say a hundred pages and giving a brief. Well, not just that, but when she says I'm familiar with certain parts of it, that's because the bill didn't just get written without her being asked about it at all. Yeah. All 800 pages materialized out of nowhere.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were, they were tossed in front of her apartment like a fucking newspaper. Yeah. This is ridiculous. That's stupid.

So Alex has some complaints about Napolitano and this is the way it generally goes with him, especially with women in power. Thank you, Mr. Napolitano. Thank you for the, uh, I'm not making fun of women that look like men. It's just that why do all the women in the federal government need to look like women that look like men? I mean, is it like maybe she's an alien? This is, uh, good.

This is good, uh, uh, analysis. Hard hitting political analysis. All women in government look like women who look like men. Yes. That seems to be is, uh, and they, they're aliens. They come in, uh, they unzip their, uh, alien suit and they've got a Janet Reno, uh, uh, Janet Napolitano look underneath. I mean, this is just ridiculous.

Man, this is going to be so annoying whenever, whenever we get back into, if, if, uh, Warren is the nominee, we're just going to hear about how she's ugly all day. We already are. I know, but just so much. For Alex at least. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

It's going to be rough. Yep. So, uh, but you know, they're probably aliens, like people like Napolitano. He might as well be an alien. I mean, I want to know you can't get in the federal government now unless you look and act like Janet Napolitano. I mean, I want to know. Yes.

I mean, you know what? I think she's an imposter. I say the head of Homeland security is from planet Poptar. And then it came here in the tent. Oh, there I'd back. Stay with us. Your calls coming up and more news straight ahead and full wars.com present planet.TV. This is reality based radio.

This is reality based radio. She, Janet Napolitano is from outer space and she came here in an upside down black pyramid. That I just saw in the movie last night. This is reality. 14 year olds are listening. Yeah. So, uh, this next clip, Alex does, uh, one of my, our favorite behaviors that of course is quote the founding fathers.

That's good stuff. That's what I mean. I mean, they're crooks. They've gotten away with everything. And now we're wondering why they're getting away with even more because we're Thomas Jefferson said the level of tyranny you will live under is the exact amount you will accept. That's a Thomas Jefferson quote. And that's exactly true.

God bless you. I appreciate your call. It's not a Thomas Jefferson quote. You're paraphrasing Frederick Douglass. 99% of the time he is correct. No. 99% of the time he's starting, he's either making something up, quoting a meme that he read somewhere or somebody else's words.

He's attributed to Thomas. Right, right, right. I do. I honestly don't know if I've ever heard him use a Thomas Jefferson quote correctly. No. So, um, we got one last like real clip from this episode and it's Alex bragging about being psychic because this, uh, rice and suspect got released. By the way, I don't know how I do it.

I said this guy's a patsy mailing the, uh, the, uh, the poison, the Ryerson. And I said, watch, they'll, they'll arrest two or three more by the time they're done. And that's now happened. I mean, look, look, they follow handbooks. I'm sorry. Go ahead. So that's not, it's not a globalist handbook. It's an incredibly fucked up bizarre situation, uh, of a rivalry that got way out of control.

Yeah. It's such a more interesting story than some sort of globalist plot. Yeah. It's ridiculous. You can, you can propagandize so many stories, but when you get a dynamite story like that, you have to just read it verbatim. Yeah. But in fairness to Alex, a lot of that information that we're able to know now hasn't come out.

He doesn't have that information. Sure. So he can write his own story about it in the same way that he did about a lot of the Boston bombing stuff in the days, uh, immediately after it. But when you do have the gift of hindsight, you can look back and be like, you fucked that story up multiple times. And this is a perfect opportunity to fake a correct or to say you're correcting yourself in order to just read a bad ass story.

Would be. Yeah. But Alex would then have to give up his, uh, the mantle of the profit. Oh, that's true. It was like, I told you who's going to be a patsy. Right. Now, whenever that case probably goes to court, Alex is going to just ignore it entirely. Um, and just, uh, let it sit there as I was right.

Yeah. That seems to be, this episode is pretty short. Comparatively. And a big reason for that is it's so much about oblivion. And I just love that it's about his review is not, uh, compact. You know, like he doesn't give a, like a full like this is what I think about the scene with the drones and, uh, Bob, you know, the, the people in the ship and, uh, the clones and you know, like he doesn't really get into just sort of vague talking about how great

the movie is and how it reveals the Illuminati's plan. I've never seen it. Have you seen it? No, I don't give a shit. I don't, I, uh, you didn't watch it in preparation for this episode. No, I watched some clips. There is some serious stuff in there that you needed to report on. My sense of it is there's not.

I think this is another thing much like childhoods and all of these other sci-fi things that Alex believes are real. Um, I just, I wish, I wish it was more interesting. Is oblivion review because then we could have played a bunch of clips of it and you know, had some fun, but it's just not, it's just, I believe that this was unveiling of globalist truth and who cares? Yeah, that's no good. No, I want to, I want a more innocuous sci-fi film.

I want him to review like gravity or some shit like that where there's no like secret. There's no like secret alien plot or anything like that. It's just shit goes wrong in space. The movie. I'm positive that if we go and find the release date of gravity, he would have done a long review, a long, boring review. Yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm, uh, this was a little bit of a disappointing episode in some ways,

but also, uh, of his show. Yeah. Um, but then at the same time, I think that it's so fascinating how he takes in these, these sci-fi movies. Yeah. And then it's like, you just, it blows his mind. Yeah. Uh, in a way that is very adolescent.

To such that it brings him to tears almost. Yeah, very close. And it felt fairly sincere. Yeah, it really did. That, uh, almost crying. It felt like he was fighting it more than, uh, the fake times. It was, if it was fake crying, then he would, he would have tried to speak through it with like a, there would have been more, uh, performance to it.

Uh, it's very subdued crying. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, subdued is not the type of performance he normally gives. So he has this relationship with the, these, these media things that he takes in, like movies that I would describe as pretty adolescent. You see these movies and then their truth to you, even if they are, some of them do try to give like a allegorical or metaphorical message about the real world.

Sure, sure, sure. You know, you could take, you could watch the matrix and come away with some life lesson. Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. But to imagine that it's revealing secrets, uh, it's the same thing you see with like, uh, Steve Pachanik when he was talking about how this person in the media was writing articles that were to talk to him through newspapers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This sort of bizarre thinking, um, that I would describe as fucked up and kind of childish. Yeah. And when you have that mixed with, you get a 14 year old collar and you're just fucking with that kid's head. Like I can't, I can't not talk about that episode, even if it has nothing to do with largely what we're trying to learn. Yeah, that's it's a mess. It is weird to see this behavior as, uh, so stark in how irresponsible it is while at

the same time, like not applying that far larger in scope, like the weird shit that people jam into children's heads on a daily basis, uh, that reminds you so much of this kind of Alex Jones, like everybody around you is crazy. Like everybody around you has sex is going to hell. Like all of this stuff that you just hammer into kids that you just shouldn't be allowed to do. Nope. Nope.

That's, that's abuse. That's fucked up. Yeah. For, for someone who is such a champion of the youth and the, the children, uh, this sort of behavior towards, uh, children is, uh, even if they're teens, it's still not. Absolutely. No, you're whatever, your brain isn't developed until 25 or something. That's when you can begin talking to me about religion.

And that's when you can talk to info wars. Exactly. That's when you can engage with the fours. Yes. By then you won't, hopefully. Yeah. Anyway, we'll be back on Wednesday with another little episode, but until then we have a website. We do have a website.

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