Knowledge Fight - #369: November 13, 2019

Episode Date: November 15, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a present day episode of The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex gets mad at Disney, gets cocky about chemtrails, and brings back Steve Pieczenik to recast various White House officials.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan Jordan. Dan, what up Jordan? Do you have anything that you purchased from a street vendor like meat? Like a hot dog? No, I mean, have you kept anything? You know, like you buy shit from a street vendor, but is there anything here? Anything that stayed

with you? Anything that's traveled with you and souvenirs? My house burned down like five years ago. I lost pretty much everything I owned. Yeah, but even if you asked me five years ago, the answer is probably not. Yeah, you don't do the street vendor. Keep a lot of things. You don't keep a lot of things. No, and I was even true before the fire, except for like books. I used to have a gigantic library and I guess maybe some of those are like paperbacks I would buy at like if there was a book stand. Sure, sure, sure, but no, other than that, no, I don't think so. I don't think I'm not super interested in shopping number one. Right. If I'm walking around and somebody's selling something, I'm not, I'm

not usually even considering it. Okay. Okay. So what was, have you bought anything actually not that I can think of outside of like, I think it was a street vendor when I was in like, I have mentioned in the past that I like in high school, I wore shiny shirts. Yes. Yes. And an extension of that was shiny robes. I did not know that shiny robes were in play. They weren't really all that in play, but I liked I liked a nice robe. My some of my family live lives in like around the San Francisco area. And so one time we went to visit my aunt and my mom and I think I don't know who else went along. But anyway, some of the family went to Chinatown and I got shiny robe and that might have been a street vendor purchase.

Interesting. Yeah. Shiny like reflective or like sequins or like not sequined, but like you know, it would reflect light. It was okay. All right. Dragons on it and stuff. Okay. All right. I see what we're doing. All right. Now see now that's what I wanted to get to the bottom. I didn't want one of those soft robes like a bathrobe. Right. Wanted something really gaudy and over the top. So that might have been, but I don't know. All right. That was probably when I was like 13, 14 or something. Yeah. You were 13 going on 12th century court is in. I got you. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's this podcast where I don't know a lot about buying things from street vendors, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones and I don't

know much about either. No. So I got to teach you. Yes. So Jordan, today we're in the present day still. I was hoping to maybe do something different, but I was called into action. Okay. All right. So we're going over November 13th, 2019. And I honestly think I wouldn't say this before we do anything. I think that this episode is a a window in a very perfect opportunity to see a lot of different elements of why Alex Jones's show is a disaster and is super terrible. Just perfect encapsulations of many different elements. Okay. I hesitate to call this a Rosetta stone because I was all these things. Yeah. Stones, but over the course of this episode, I'm going to be highlighting particular behaviors that Alex engages in constantly.

Yeah. I think they're all on amazingly public display. All right. So the 13th is when Alex commits every egregious error that he commits usually one or two at a time in other episodes. Somewhat. I don't want to put too fine a point on it because I don't think that this is any kind of a unique episode. I just think that some of the illustrations of these trends and behaviors are really flagrant. Okay. So they provide a glimpse in much easier. Right. So I think that this episode is a good encapsulation of why looking at Alex is important. Gotcha. It's a thesis statement. Okay. So anyway, before we get to that, I'd like to say thank you to some people who have signed up in our sporting the show and make this sort of thing possible. So first of

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401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Dougie break shit. All I can think of now is a whole Dougie universe like Dougie fresh. Dougie Doug break shit. Dougie, you keep up going. Sure. Love it. Be great. Yeah. If you're a Dougie, something out there, please feel free to sign up. Even if you're not a Dougie, something you can ask for the show. If you'd like by going to our website, knowledge fight calm, clicking the button that says what the show. We would appreciate it. Be very helpful. So Jordan, we begin today a little bit

differently than normal necessarily because I often don't play Alex's intro bumper stuff. Right. Right. But in this case, the way he opens the show is actually different than I've heard in the past. Gentlemen, we have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government leading a frontal assault on the lies of the New World Order. It's Alex Jones. So just right off the bat on the day that the public hearings for the impeachment inquiry are beginning. That's a real bad vibe for Alex to start off the show playing a voice saying that we're gathered here to overthrow the US government. That seems like a statement of purpose. More than anything else. Do they he doesn't normally say that right? I have not heard that

drop being thrown in. It might be something that he pulls out from time to time. Okay, but I don't. I don't remember it being a super regular thing. Yeah, as a morning zoo crew drop that would be funny. But if you're Alex Jones, that's that's like a oh he's literally talking to the Oath Keepers. Well, I suppose you could make the argument that he's saying that this is the statement of purpose of his enemies and he's fighting against that overthrow the government. I guess you could. That's that's convoluted for him either way. It's super interesting where that audio comes from. This is one of the most notable early fake voice recordings spoofed to sound like someone else. In this case, it was designed to sound like Carl Steiner, the former

commander in chief of the US special operations, a scientist named George Papkin. He took a 10 minute sample of Steiner's voice and created fake audio of him talking about overthrowing the US government. That fake audio was so convincing that Steiner himself asked for a copy of it because like this is amazing. No, there's a terrifying. There's an interesting thematic interplay happening here. Alex is trying to evoke fears of government overthrow in his audience, whether it's the globalists overthrowing the government and his audience, you know, having to fight back against it or if whatever it is, there's something he's doing with the fear of overthrow here. But the audio that he's chosen to heighten that mood is specifically something that's fake.

It's the product of misinformation, whether or not it was benign and recreational in its construction. It's still a direct piece of fabrication. So even so he chose one of the progenitors of a deep fake video from the like mid to late nineties. It's a very notable case of that's fucking with my head because he has to know they have to know he has to know that that's fake. Yeah, yeah, probably and it's like a it's like a whole fucking metaphor for everything that he does is that it's purporting to be real information that is absolutely an utterly fabric who knows if it's because of the context of it, it being thrown in with this intro, right? Who knows if he's trying to present it as if it is real? Of course, there is obviously a hope

that some audience people will hear that and just it'll trigger. We're overthrowing the U.S. government in their mind and then some people might know what it is. Who knows? I don't know what the point of it is, but it's fascinating to me that even Alex's intro choices are lies. Yeah, everything is somebody winking. Somebody's winking. It must be somewhere is winking. It's an it's an interesting thing that I'm not entirely sure what the performance poetry is. Yeah, but there's some there's some thematic wrinkle that I'm having a difficult time with man. I feel like there's some sort of FOIA request that we can have that will revere reveal like 20 years of some mole on the inside planting Easter eggs of how full of shit Alex is. I don't know the very

beginning. I don't know if FOIA can help with that, but maybe these lawsuits. Yeah, so the impeachment inquiry has begun in the house and Alex, of course, is just dismissive of that and saying it's all poppy cop. Yeah, yeah, that's a very nonsense. It's a very popular track for the right wing to take. I wanted to check in on his show because of that because I figured that that's a monumentous thing in the news and Alex would have a take on it. His take is not all that interesting, but something else is. We're 355 days out from this incredibly important election and now they have the official impeachment proceedings going on in the house of representatives as we speak. There's already highlights of shift of Congressman Nunez, the ranking Republican member

that is all going to be coming up today. Dr. Steve Pacinic. No, he's worked with the founding of Delta Force CIA overthrow of governments. Really smart guy bestselling author, co-writer with Tom Clancy. He is going to be back on the broadcast today. Talk about the coup and who's behind it and what he expects to come next. So we're excited about that. Steve is back. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Refuse. No way. Love it. I cannot. No. Steve is back. No. What are they going to talk about? Holy shit. What do they talk about? Okay. All right. It's I would say the headline is Steve is back and back is in all capitol. Okay. All right. He is in midseason form. Okay. All right. Okay. I have watched a couple of videos from his YouTube channel and I was very concerned

about his health. Right. Like I thought he's deteriorating. He seems unwell. Yeah. He's an old man. Like I'm not, I'm not saying anything like conspiratorial. Like he's secretly got X, Y, or Z going on. Right. I just thought like, Oh, he's getting to be pretty old. His speech patterns are completely different than they are on info wars. Yeah. And I realized like, no, it's just because he's talking alone. It like he's back on the show and he sounds almost exactly like he always has. Okay. He's eager for the yelling at Alex about stuff. Of course. Whereas him sitting talking into a webcam. There's no foil for him. Yeah. There's no, it doesn't have the same electricity. It doesn't have the oomph. Yeah. So I'm kind of happy on that level because I don't even if I hate

him and I think he sucks. Right. I still take no pleasure in the idea of like him aging right and falling apart. So it's nice to know that he's still of pretty sharp mind. Okay. What you're saying is people are still underestimating Federer after all these could be at the end of the day. He's still in the top five. He and man Steve is like I can't. I can't even be like when he came on the show in 2013 on the episode we heard and he declared himself in an open state of treason. Yes. That was pretty wild. Yeah. He's in that kind of shape. Okay. He's swinging. All right. Okay. So we got that to look forward. I like it. I like it. But that doesn't happen for a while because Alex has got to cover the waterfront. It's got to get into the news. Sure. So of course the

impeachment stuff is, you know, it is what it is. It's all bullshit. It's a show trial. But there's a bigger story behind that and Alex knows what it is. But the big enchilada exactly as we said she would do it. In fact, we've got to dig up the tapes from a year ago, six months ago, a week ago. I hit it perfectly hole in one. I mean, I've just got to be honest with you. I've just gotten inside the enemies head. You can see how they would script things. Sure. Hillary loses. She launches all the fake Russia investigations. She wants to back out of those investigations. She launched it shows how partisan it is and made up. She says she's not going to run while she collects money while she travels around the country.

While she makes more appearances and all the other candidates combined, all she still runs the DNC and runs those conference calls. And then right as the impeachment starts of Trump, she says the people are begging me. They're drafting me. I feel a responsibility. Trump's so dangerous. I don't want to do it. But okay, I am. Well, she said that she said that she said she's running. No, she did not. She said she's running. She said she's not running. She specifically said yeah, she left it open with a never say never stuff. But no, yeah. And that that was something that she said when she was being interviewed on the BBC as part of her book tour. She was actually she was going to run again

and she replied, I will certainly tell you I'm under enormous pressure from many, many, many people to think about it. But as of this moment, sitting here in this studio talking to you, that is absolutely not in my plans. Oh, also in March, she said quote, I'm not running. Yeah, who knows though, maybe that's secretly her saying she's running. I've been pretty consistent in my position that Hillary is not running. But everyone fucking loves talking about her running. People like Alex love talking about it because it riles up their base since they've created the perfect easy villain in Hillary. People out on the left love talking about it because the idea that Hillary would run again proves everything they say about the Dems being a stupid self-defeating party.

A very small number of diehard Hillary folks still hanging on love talking about it because they think that Hillary should run again. Everyone gets something fun out of entertaining the idea of Hillary running, but I just don't think there's much reality here. Ah, don't forget. Hillary herself gets something out of book pretending exactly. There you go. Yeah, I don't think that Alex could prove all the other shit he's saying about Hillary here either. I have who cares. Also, why isn't Alex completely freaking out about Bloomberg running? Alex fucking hates Bloomberg. He's one of the globalists to attended those meetings with Bill Gates, Ted Turner and Oprah. Why is he spending his time obsessing about the possibility that Hillary is going to run

while ignoring the reality that Bloomberg is running? It's because Bloomberg doesn't really move the needle with the audience. Nobody likes Bloomberg making them scared of the Clintons moves product. So he does it. If Bloomberg didn't own like access to all of these media organizations and he just tried to declare I'm running for president, everybody on the planet would be like don't care. Just don't care. Stop it. I think a lot of people don't care as is. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but some people do and a you know it's good to pay attention to all candidates. I mean they have to. They everybody needs content. Sure. That's why Bloomberg. Yeah, but it's weird that that's not content for Alex. Oh yeah. Well, he's a gigantic villain for Alex.

Yeah, you know you're right. Nobody gets their dick hard for Bloomberg. No, nobody. It's right up there with like okay. He has not said a damn word about Bolivia. Yeah, not said a damn word about the release of his buddy Stephen Miller's emails. Right. Right. That said anything about Bloomberg running? No. What is this show? I don't know. Anti-heroes? It's fucking nonsense. I don't know. So anyway, Hillary secretly running. People said why are you confronting Hillary? She's a has been. Oh no, she's the Democrat nominee 2020 unless we expose her and get out ahead of it and put heat on her. She wants to be a stealth candidate with none of her corrupt past brought up to the last minute. And once they get the impeachment, they're going to say that's the conviction.

That's just the indictment in the house. And then she's going to announce. I would say before the end of the year that she could change the timetable. But here, I mean, take it from her. Here she is saying she's going to retire Trump. She goes on to say she beat him in 2016. Here she is. Look, I feel a sense of responsibility partly because, you know, my name was on the ballot. I got more votes but ended up losing to the current incumbent in the White House who I think is really undermining our democracy in very fundamental ways. And I want to retire him. I want to see him retired. And that's a term he is when you kill a horse, basically. Okay. Alex conveniently ends that clip just the right spot. Yeah. After she says she wants to retire Trump, Hillary explains

that means she'll be helping the Democrat side come up with the best possible plan. The interviewer Emma Barnett asks if she's going to run again and Hillary says, quote, no. Alex wants her to run so fucking bad. They all do. Oh, it'd be so good. Please. They'd love it. Please, Hillary. Think of think of how easy everybody's job would be if Hillary and Trump ran again. We could just read. Everybody would post the same columns. It'd be a dystopian disaster. They just update the dates. It'd be horrible. I like the idea of Hillary being the stealth candidate. So she doesn't get any criticisms. So nobody does any. So nobody does any background. Yeah. Nobody looks into her. Fuck yourself. Yeah. No shit. I thought

Roger Stone was telling you that was Michelle Obama. What is going on here? Who's the stealth candidate? Everybody's the stealth candidate. Whatever you need that day. Yep. So this impeachment thing is happening for various reasons. Some people have one perspective on it. Other people have a different one. Alex's perspective seems to be that this is all Q and odds fault. Yeah. Okay. That's that work. Just an interesting take. I like it. I like it. A lot of people ask what Alex's take on Q and on is to me and I can't really answer that question. It's varied over time. A lot of the underlying theses of Q and on are things that Alex definitely supports sure and has prior to Q and on existing right. Alex has been okay with it at some points,

bitter about it at others, trying to create his own version of it at other times. But now in 2019 in November, he seems a bit salty that they may have lost the House of Representatives. Okay. The impeachment hearings that so many said would never come are now officially going on and Congressman Nunez just 10 minutes ago finished up his opening statements very powerful that I'm going to play in its entirety this segment and the next. He's the ranking Republican member on the House Intelligence Committee was the leader of it, but everybody thought we were invincible in the 2018 midterms and Q told us we didn't need to even worry about it. We were going to keep the house. Of course we didn't. By the way, we're not going

to just have somebody that's a shadowy thing on 4chan today. We've got Steve Pachennik who did cofound Delta Force with General Schumacher and Boykin. What? So yeah, I mean Q and on gave a false sense of security to everybody. Trust the plan and they didn't feel invigorated to go and keep the house for the Republicans. And now we got an impeachment inquiry. Alex isn't going to bring you that soggy bullshit here on the show. No, he's got the real deal. He's got Steve Pachennik, a fucking craziest wing ding liar. This side of the Mississippi. Oh boy. Okay, I love that. All right. So people are crazy. You have no idea how crazy that's just that's Q wasn't real. None of it was real. Neither is Steve's back story. He's back. So none of this is real. Of course

not. Why are we all pretending? Yeah, it's wild. This is wild. So Alex has a radio show. Okay. It's a free for all. I said a couple times. I will take you on your word. That's what we know about him. It's a radio show. He's a TV show. Is that it? But it turns out he also has secret plans behind the scenes. Okay, he's going to run for president. Maybe stealth candidate he's Hillary. Not sure what his secret plans are. Okay, but he does need your money of course to continue these secret plans naturally in talking about how he needs that he announces his new special. Now if you'll recall the previous special that had just been running was the Everything Must Go sale that went way too long way longer than he intended. So if it's ended

then I assume everything has gone. It is not. Okay. The sale just before the Everything Must Go sale was the Black Friday Comes Early special. Right. His new special is the Black Friday special. It's very uninspiring. We've got a lot of stuff going on in the background and I've got plans and operations that will keep this message on air no matter how they railroad us. But it takes two things. It takes word of mouth and it takes money and it takes a lot of both. This is a total war. People talk about oh they're going to get their guns. We'll have a shooting war someday. If you don't take action now you'll never take action in a shooting war and we want to avert a shooting war. Now I make it easy to fund this operation. We got great products you and

your family need and I need the majority of listeners that don't buy products at infowarstore.com to commit to the fight and buy their war bonds and get things you need period at infowarstore.com. Now we already had Black Friday Comes Early a few months ago and we sold out a lot of products. A lot of products came back in. We're launching Black Friday right now early as well. Got a lot of new specials for you. We're continuing store-wide free shipping, double patriot points, but there are a lot of things that have sold out or are going to sell out. In fact, I've got a list of them. I forgot to pull out. You said that as a joke. You said it's a Black Friday sale then as a joke. That's actually what he's doing. Another early Black Friday sale. This indicates a lack

of creativity in the sales department. That's what I would say. I appreciate the willingness to recycle. A lot of people on the right are really interested in recycling. So I mean he's having Steve Pachanic back on the show. That's recycling. He's trying to bring Hillary back as a candidate. This whole fucking show is reduce, reuse, recycle. This might be that you might only be the captive planet of planet of bullshit. Yeah, I like it. I think that's great. I think we all need to conserve bloviating die hard. So we got the fucking Black Friday sale going again or something. This just it just seems bleak. What is he going to sell on Black Friday? That's my question. That's a great question. The business Cyber Monday comes early. Okay,

that's where it'll be. Okay. To me, what this indicates is probably his staff in that area of the business is also thinning out. He's gone. That to me is an indication of like whatever marketing people you may have been employing before are now an intern. Right. You also your video editor. Right. Right. So I see these as all kind of like little, it's circumstantial evidence certainly, but they are the things you would expect to see in a crumbling ass business. So I think that might be the case. Yeah. John Hamm isn't, isn't working for him anymore. No, let's put it that way. But you know what? Hillary is running. She is on up to 10 TV and radio programs a day or more. She is giving speeches seven days a week. She's running the Democratic Party.

She's collecting money into her foundation and you see that whole crew up there. Biden can hardly talk. Bernie is gibbering. Why? They're all a big joke. Okay. Except for Tulsi Gabbards and they're not going to let her get anywhere near. Why is she not a joke? The primaries, they're going to steal them just like they did from Sanders four years ago. Alex, I don't understand. I mean, you know, he loves Tulsi and whatever. Why? She's in a, she's still kind of in a weird cult. Why is she the darling of the right? I don't understand. I don't really particularly care to deconstruct that too much. I'm not an expert in that, in that area, but it does seem to be a very consistent thing among people I don't trust. That's weird. Yeah. That's so weird. Yeah. But

beyond that, I think that Alex recognizes that he's in for a fucking world of hurt. If Bernie is the candidate because he made such a big deal out of Bernie having being screwed over by Hillary in the primary last election and Bernie before Alex realized he was a socialist or whatever, spent a lot of time talking about. He was one of the only brave people in the Senate, because he stood with Ron Paul in terms of auditing the Fed. Yep. He was Alex gonna be real troublesome. Any audience member of his with any kind of memory or actual concern about the issues that Alex rants about is going to be like, Hey, what about Bernie be like? Isn't the Fed one of your big trademark issues? Yeah. Bernie's aligned with you on that. Yeah. Why do you care about

this, you know, cultural nonsense? Let's say the way they might present it because I'm beholden to the wealthy. I mean, I have principles. It's it's insane. Yeah. He's going to have a really tough time with that. So I think he's really hoping that that isn't the case that wins the primary. Yeah. They would really love it. If, uh, if, if Bernie loses the primaries, it doesn't even matter. They can say that Hillary probably torpedoed him there too. They can play that whole thing again. Totally. She's running the DNC. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. They wouldn't give Bernie a shot because he's too real. Yeah. But if he's a, if he's the nominee, they're like, he's going to kill us all. He's going to kill us all. Venezuela's coming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So on a recent episode, we heard Alex bring up a story about British hospitals and they're making a decision that if you racially or in a sexist way abuse members of the staff, they'll give you a warning. And if you say continue that behavior, the, and it's safe to do so, they will withdraw treatment. Right. It's the two N words in your out rule. Basically. Yeah. And so Alex rebrings up this story, but pay close attention to how he presents it because this is very telling. Well, the British government announced last week, in fact, I forgot to cover that and to tell, please print me that article. Paul Watson wrote about it. The NHS said, if you're a right winger and that's anything they choose is bad, you're not going to get healthcare. Basically, we're

going to kill you a death penalty. Whoops. You really shouldn't say that too loud. That's supposed to be the quiet part, right? If I recall that story out of the, out of Bristol in the UK, that it's just, it's not even, you know, the entire area. It's just in one hospital in Bristol. Well, I think it's a system of hospitals, a couple hospitals, but it's still localized. Yeah. Um, that story is entirely about them saying that there are consequences for behaving in racist and sexist ways toward their staff. Oh, so they hate the right wing now, huh? It's about behavior. Alex is reporting this as if it's about denying care to right wingers, which is not a behavior. It's a group identifier. You can kind of tell from this sort of thing that

Alex believes that being a part of the group right winger has some kind of connection with the behavior being racist or sexist. I don't understand. This is one of the more damning instances of Alex making an argument defending racist and sexist abuse being hurled at people, but framing it as if he's just standing up for right wingers. Alex is a coward. He wants people of ethnic minorities and women to shut up and deal with whatever comes their way, but he doesn't think that he can make his place in the market work if he's an open racist or sexist. That fun game he plays where he complains about the media attacking him all the time by calling him a racist unfairly. It doesn't work out quite as well. If he's, if he's honest about what he believes and

what he advocates, so yeah, so you see that slide of hand that trickery. This is about denying care to right wingers right. No, it's about racist and sexist, which is what are acting that way. I find it wild that they're that he's still bothering to. I mean, you know, there's nothing bad going to happen to Stephen Miller and he he's an open white supremacist. Now he's been white supremacist for forever, but now he's just open about it and he's free right. I think that there's an acclamation period. I think that Alex will be open once he realizes if he survives on air long enough to get to the point where he realizes like I don't think I have any other options. Yeah, yeah, once the once once other avenues of possible money, right, aren't there right. That'll

be what he does because that's what he is right. He's a fucking huge bigot. Yeah, it's not like Stephen Miller is going to get another job in a different campaign. No. Oh wait, he will for David Duke and you name it. Sure. Yeah, whatever they're whenever they're president. That's the same thing once those avenues are the only things that are available. That's what you will do. Yeah, absolutely. So this trend kind of continues. Alex starts covering another culture issue and that has to do with the launch of Disney Plus. Sure. So here's Alex talking about this and but then I'm going to get to warnings being put on Disney movies like Lady and the Tramp because of outdated cultural depictions that Hollywood is so evil

that an image of a man and a woman just Lady and the Tramp with a baby and with the cats saying where are we finding baby there is milk nearby. Do you see that thing swimming around and around? Maybe they'll be head for you and tail for me. Something wholesome and fun and good is bad to a Satanist. So Alex is really missing the mark here because he's trying to present this as it being like outdated cultural norms are that there is a man and a woman and a baby. Yeah. So with the release of Disney Plus, the company realized that there were a few issues of some of the movies they've put out over the years. Considering that their first release was put out in 1937, you got to understand that some cultural things have changed since then. Little

bit. 1937 was five years before our government forced Japanese Americans into camps during World War Two. It was 10 years before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier and major league baseball. It was 18 years before Emmett Till was murdered. 18 years before the Montgomery bus boycott. It's very hard to put into words how different a world we live in today from when Disney started putting out movies. A lot of those movies are beloved classics, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of them are products of their time. In order to strike a balance, instead of editing the movies to take offensive scenes out, Disney just decided to add some warnings so people knew what they were getting into. For instance, Dumbo features a crow character named Jim Crow.

Probably not a good look. That one's that one's a little bit on the nose too. In Peter Pan, they sing a song called What Made the Red Man Red? I don't understand what the problem there is. Dildy just thought people deserved a heads up on stuff like that, as well as warnings about a ton of characters smoking in their movies. Because again, they were made back at a time when people thought cigarettes were health food. Yeah. Bugs Bunny used to smoke all the time. We loved that totally. The warning on the lady in the tramp is because there are two Siamese cats that are basically just racist Asian stereotypes. I wouldn't expect the guy Alex who's been putting out his own racist Asian stereotype videos featuring fentanyl the chai calm dragon to understand why

a company might view this sort of thing as an embarrassing and regrettable thing of the past people. Only Satanists hate wholesome entertainment like Alex's racist commercials. I don't understand he does not bring this up, but I'm going to guess that Alex is furious. That song of the south isn't on yeah. It's not on there at all. Oh man still in the vault. That one's still not allowed out home. Okay, you can find it on YouTube though. Man, you know that's it's I'm glad they did that, but also we should update a lot of movies for that. Like the movie American Pie should have a warning on there that it's like there were. He was attempting to broadcast. Right. Yeah. There's a lot of fucked up shit in the movies from like a few years ago. That is 20 something

years ago. That was 2000. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. About 20 years. I mean I'm not minimizing. It's not like American Pie was made in nineteen thirty seven. You know the product of our time is moving pretty quick. Yeah. So Alex pretends here that in this next clip that the problem with the lady in the tramp is that there's a heterosexual couple. Okay. And presented. All right. This is so stupid. They're done. Whoa. Guys, we just played the trailer for Lady in the Tramp, the re-release of it of the classic film. You're not allowed to do that. That is hateful. That is homophobic. That is bad. Again, radio listeners, you're really blessed that you didn't just see that level of bigoted Nazism. And I'm not joking.

Twenty one gun salutes are being banned at major universities. People also say they're offended by just everything. So in true Alex Jones fashion, what we have here is a straw man. The reason there's a warning on Lady in the Tramp is the racist Asian depictions. But because Alex doesn't want to directly support things that most people recognize as part of an ugly past, he's pretending that the problem is the movie is with the movies that it tells a heterosexual love story. This is just complete shit. There's so many movies on Disney plus that depict heterosexual love stories that don't have warning. Name one. All of them that don't involve archaic racist stereotypes. Well,

as an ardent Disney fan, I don't know if you can name one of those. I don't know their movies off the top of my head. This is such a gross pattern with Alex. He knows that he has to defend racism because that's what he does. But he just can't do that. I would venture to say that at least 30% of his content could easily be summed up like that. Trying to find ways to repackage the argument racism is great. It's good. But no, no, no, let's not let's not speak for you. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody. Hey, anyway, about that 21 gun salute thing. This is solely about the University of Virginia deciding not to do a 21 gun salute at their Veterans Day event this year. The reason was basically that it was disruptive to campus and because there's a bunch

of gun violence going on these days. So maybe that's not necessary. I can hear arguments for people who love military tradition saying that the salute is necessary. And I don't think I agree with them, but I'm also not going to argue too much with it. But in this case, it feels really weird because this was a University of Virginia ROTC event. So it's kind of their decision how to do things. If they're deciding not to do the salute is Alex saying that he should be able to force them to do it. Like if this were the government or even the University telling them that they can't do the salute, this argument might look a little different, but that's not the case here. Oh, you're you're misunderstanding. This is even worse than you can imagine. This is a choice.

This means that the globalists have infiltrated the ROTC at the highest level stand great all over the University of Virginia. Sure. For Alex's position to make any sense at all, he would need to want an insane level of control over the choices of other organizations that he is not a part of. He sees this ill in the world that he perceives, you know, someone not wanting to do a 21 gun salute and he decries it. But the only point he can possibly be making is I wish they wanted to do that salute. There's nothing to fight here. This is just trivial gun culture outrage bait, which makes up another 30 percent of his coverage. There you go. His entire career. Well, there's nothing here. Generally speaking, they do overlap though. Totally. Totally.

So Alex is still mad about Disney. He complains about them quite a bit. Sure. You don't show Lady in the Tramp. You don't show Dumbo. Dumbo has a loving mother. That's bad. That's not good. Ladies and gentlemen, that has to stop. So again, the warning on Dumbo was about there being a character named Jim Crow in it. Also in the movie Dumbo, mothers and fathers don't create children. They're delivered by Storks. So I'm not sure if Alex wants to take this line of thought too far. Ah, man. So it is it counterpoint Alex, you know, Storks. You know, you know the news is real bad whenever you're reduced to being like. I guess let's bitch about Disney plus like an old man for three hours because I can't deal with

the fact that it's very obvious. My president committed a shit ton of crimes. Yeah. And everybody is talking about it. Yeah. I gotta I gotta do something. Yeah. I don't have the luxury of Fox News where I can put real time refutation lies in front of the screen rather than listening to people talk. Yeah. So Alex now gets off into a little bit of a segment that would be accurately described as transphobic, but also is about drag performers. So it's convoluted on some level. Yeah, but it is just outright bigotry and really, really gross. So in this first clip, he talks about how the trans movement is not about people. It's not about identity or anything like that. It's not about it's not about any of that stuff. It's about Satan. Oh, truly it's just

about Satan. All right. The so called trans movement isn't like Bob Hope dressing up like a woman for Halloween gag or it's not even men that feel feminine. Okay. I want to be seen as women by other men. It is Satanism and vampirism and total deception is is what the movement is that's being pushed. And so a man six foot four man with vampire teeth on eating a baby is a woman the opposite of a woman giving birth loving a baby being nurturing the feminine strength. So you accept a man and a vampire outfit simulating a horrific act could win an Academy Award looks so satanic and evil. Linda Blair has nothing on this. You call that a woman that's lie number one. And then you say that this vampire creature is the new image of a mother a raving lunatic

scarier looking than hit the clown. Still not with people surrounding it at the bar worshiping it like they're seeing some great goodness here because this is their real spirit. So I heard this and I was like this isn't going to go well. This is this is I'm not I'm not interested or very excited about the direction he's going to take this just got done yelling about fucking Disney movies. Yep. Yep. So he riffs around a little bit here about how trans people are anti human aliens. I didn't I thought they were vampires. Well that's part of it. OK. AOC goes to a drag queen vampire occult show again. Is that what they call in New York City and she worships this. She's with this big six foot four man who's like how you're doing

you like my vampire teeth. Looks more like some alien invading blood drinking Martian. That's what it is actually. That's the transmission is destroy yourself humans. We're here. Die. Don't have children. Die post human world. Those that join us will give you immortality merging with machines. Just trust us. Everything's fine. I wouldn't eat a baby would I. Like Mars attacks. How do they invade the Hollywood story. Of course how do they invade the White House. The woman's got the big blonde hair. It's really don't run. We are your friends. Whatever this is it's anti human. But it's a woman. Don't hit a woman. Give me access to your children right now. So when Alex was talking about that person who is like a vampire and what

have you he said it's like a few weeks back. He's really banking on his audience not realizing that a couple weeks back was fucking Halloween. Oh probably he doesn't care. Most of his audience probably thinks that don't worry about it. Halloween is actually evil. Anyway this is about a video that Alexandria Ocasio Cortez put out where she met Sasha Valour a noted drag performer according to their website bio page Sasha is gender fluid and has no preferred pronoun in personal life. But the drag persona goes by feminine terms. Sasha was on Drag Race which AOC is a big fan of so she was very excited to meet a performer from the show is a big zero. Yeah. Alex ends up like the video of this. He's just playing a 15 second video of a person in

drag sitting on a bar in a Halloween costume that involves fake blood and a fake baby. There's no context to it and honestly I'm 90 percent sure that person isn't even Sasha Valour. The person in that video is a big tattoo on their upper right arm and shoulder which Sasha does not have. Alex just thinks they're the same person because they're both in drag and appear to be bald. The person in that video appears to actually have short hair but Sasha actually shaved their head in order to honor their mother who died of cancer. Also in a 2015 interview the person who performs as Sasha Valour was very clear that they're not trans. So whatever point Alex is trying to make here really just falls flat. But that doesn't change the reality that by his conflation of all

these different gender expressions and identities and boxing it all up under the heading of Satanic he's hoping to get people hurt. Yeah. So now AOC wasn't at some drag vampire Satan show. That was Sasha Valour's show Smoke and Mirrors. Also it wasn't in New York. It was in Washington, D.C. Nothing that Alex is saying is based in reality but it doesn't need to be because reality isn't the point. Demonizing anyone who doesn't fit into his rigid view of gender and sexuality is the point. He wants to say that it was in New York because that video of the person on a bar it was in New York. Sure. He's conflating all of this together in order to make it appear that they're the same person. Even though later in the show he does indicate that he doesn't know

if they're the same person. Of course not. And he doesn't give a shit. Why would he care? Smoke and Mirrors is a one queen show as Sasha calls it. It's a theater performance and it's toured internationally. It's not like some kind of a basement blood ritual like Alex is presenting it. It's very respected and well reviewed. That's because it has the backing of Satan Dan. That's how she gets all of the money to travel and people pay her and whatever not to put two finer points on this. Alex is trying to get people killed. The issue of trans and non-binary people particularly people of color being murdered is a very serious issue right now to the point where the American Medical Association has called violence against the trans community an epidemic.

If Alex Jones cared at all about people he could express his discomfort with trans people in more responsible ways but he doesn't care. He acts like this doing grotesque act outs about trans people wanting to eat your kids because he wants them to be targeted. This sort of behavior doesn't lead toward people having a greater understanding of each other. It doesn't even lead to a place of like respectful disagreement. Live and let live. Nothing like that. It's quite frankly incitement. This is this doesn't like you understand the point that I'm trying to make. Yeah like the only path that this goes down is towards targeting abuse harassment and potentially violence. Yes there's no there's no healthy outcome to the. They're probably satanic aliens. I want your kids

want to eat your blood. Yeah. There isn't any. There's no value to this from a human perspective. No this is this is so many people are going to be viewed not long from now and are viewed right now in the same way that we view so many people during the HIV AIDS crisis or even just that whole list of people just just basically saying I'm not trans so I don't really give a fuck. Yeah or even you could or outright demonization or mocking them for trans people get assaulted more in the back. Yeah well you could umbrella this out to all sorts of times throughout history or people should have learned their lesson about what it looks like to be on the wrong side. Yeah right of a pretty clear cultural issue. Yeah if you can play mad libs with shit that Nazi said 50 years

ago I think you should probably take a look at you. Yeah or anti civil rights people. Yeah exactly so many. Yeah we should have culturally moved past many of these issues long ago and Alex and to be clear I don't I don't think you know you could easily call somebody transphobic or whatever you or or bigoted you can. Alex is so far past that yeah like it. It almost doesn't even fit into the box of just being straight up bigotry. Yeah this sort of thing is it's borderline eradication narratives. Well I mean it certainly lends itself to that even if that's not the prescription he's right suggesting it definitely. I don't understand how it couldn't be when every single trans person is the devil and that includes drag performers right apparently

apparently that includes people who are just doing a show. What I would say is it's not overtly or calling for extermination or any but it's compatible with it. Yeah that is a that is a distinction that I would make and I think it's important to consider things like that the ways in which the rhetoric you put out is compatible with something that you pretend you don't support. Well it's hard to it's hard to like divest this particular calling something the devil with the other things that he's called the devil and the way that you're supposed to act toward those other things who are the devil. You know so many other things get called the devil and it's your job as God's servant to destroy it. Yeah and so just because you know if just because

he's not saying destroy it this time if he's calling it the devil there's he's going he's saying destroy it. He's somebody who's been very clear about the idea that you can't really coexist with the devil. Yeah you have to you have to eradicate whatever the devil is doing. It seems like that's a logical extension. Yeah and if you do it then the devil will be doing something different and you'll have to eradicate that and so on and so forth until everybody's happy. So Alex descends into a screaming rant at this point and I have a lot of thoughts about this rant. So this is who we're supposed to worship a six foot four man. It's ma'am. Hey guys come on over I got a register open. How dare you. How dare you call me guys. I'm a woman that bench presses six

hundred pounds and I'll kick your ass you know man. Yeah and all his prison photos of that guy. I may have been in prison for assaulting people with deadly weapons but now I'm a woman open the door for me and pull out my chair. Pull it out. Give me your children right now. Take your four eye children. So they'll be a little stupider. It's like scoop them up easier. I honestly don't know exactly what Alex is talking about and through a lot of that. If I had to guess there must be some YouTube video of someone wanting to be called ma'am and he's just losing his shit about it. I really don't know and I don't really care. It's all like whatever it is. It's all the same thing. It's just more in deeper

marginalization that he's pushing but here's the thing. I don't know of any trans or non binary person who acts like that screaming and ranting with insane and unhealthy levels of unchecked anger. This doesn't ring true there but it really reminds me of Alex himself. It does. That angry rant doesn't feel like a character. That feels like Alex. Alex is the person who rants like that sincerely when he finds out about a gun control bill that died in committee two weeks prior but he thinks is still going to pass. Alex is the person who screams like this whenever he has to pretend like a white person didn't just commit a terrorist act. This rage that he's expressing is not true of some imagined trans character who he wants basic politeness

not extended to. It's Alex's rage at the perceived crumbling of his straight white Christian male dominated society. That feels very real. That anger that he's manifesting. I know I say this a lot but if you know Alex you have a responsibility to get him help and probably get him into a hospital. Trans people are being killed at alarming rates and he's acting in ways on air that perpetuate and escalate the mentalities that make their being hurt far more likely. If you think that he sincerely believes that he's fine to do this because he thinks they're interdimensional demons that's all the evidence you need to get him locked up on a 5150. If you think he's just making it up and doesn't really believe this

but still saying it on air still evidence to get him locked up on a mental health hold. Anyone who gave a fuck about Alex could help him right now and get him the care that he desperately needs but I guess they'd rather wait until this whole thing reaches its natural conclusion. Cowards the whole lot of you. Anybody who can help and isn't doing anything like just watching this play out cowards. So that that part of this is all particularly distasteful and Alex goes to break and he comes back something to quote John Cleese something completely different. Okay. Okay in the balance of this segment let me get to it. I have a message for Edward Snowden the contractor whistleblower and I have a message

to Joe Rogan who has one of the biggest talk shows in the world and it's this kiss. Both of you aren't stupid and both of you I know can research the facts. Where is this and discover for yourself that there have been ongoing geoengineering programs happening on this planet for over 100 years. There we go. And that by the late 1960s Stanford Research Institute the U.S. Navy and Air Force had certified weather modification programs using aerosolized barium salts lumbdoxide and other particulate put out via jet engines using the jet engines to create the nuclei to create intensified ice crystallization in the atmosphere. Sure. And Joe 10 years ago would talk about this then he hosted a program on national television and quote debunked it. So what's going on here is

that Alex is deeply jealous of Rogan getting to interview Edward Snowden and also Alex really wants to bait Joe into having him back on his show. Oh yeah. That's the long and short of it. Honestly normally I would just let this shit slide and not get into it at all but after that outright hatred that Alex was coming with earlier I feel like we need to cool down. I think that would be nice. So even though Alex only challenged Joe Rogan and Edward Snowden I'm going to rise to the occasion and discuss why Alex is a fucking dumb dumb about chemtrails. All right but I really want to wait until Ed Snowden gets on the line. He already he said on Rogan's show that he looked for evidence of aliens and chemtrails. Oh okay. In the secret files that he had access to and he

said he couldn't find any evidence. But he also said that if there is evidence of it he's not saying there isn't but if there is it's crazy buried to the point where with all the access he had he couldn't find it. So I'm going to stick to the actual claims and specifics Alex uses over the course of this because I don't want to drift into some kind of absurd goose chase. This is a topic that's so full of ridiculous stupid claims but Alex wants this to be serious so let's play it that way. Alex's first point that he brings up is about the 1960s in the Stanford Research Institute. This is a reference to an interview that he did back in 2005 with a guy named Ben Livingston who he credits as the father of weather weapons. Okay. Livingston is allegedly a former navy

physicist who is involved in weaponizing weather in the 60s and by the late 2000s ran or was working with a company called Weather Modification Incorporated. That is a real company but weirdly in a piece about their president which is discusses the company's history and founding Livingston's name doesn't come up at all. This company is in the business of cloud seeding which is a little different than chemtrails. What they do is they fly planes into clouds and release silver iodide which is meant to cause weather molecules to come together and turn into rain. It's a technique that's been implemented to try and help drought stricken regions but it also doesn't really always work. They can't make rain appear where moisture doesn't initially already

exist. So some experts have pointed out that cloud seeding only really works when there would have been rain anyway. It's pretty unclear the extent to which cloud seeding does help but it's way more clear that it doesn't really have any damaging environmental or health to human side effects. There's literally no evidence that this technique can create or get rid of hurricanes or steer them to attack someplace like Alex wants you to believe. There was a project carried out by the government starting in 1962 called Project Storm Fury which hypothesized that they could use cloud seeding to decrease the destructive power of hurricanes by seeding clouds around the hurricanes that disrupt the inner structure of the storm. They changed the name from plan. What about super

villains? There was another name for it initially that there was a precursor program to this but it's all super duper evil plan like Jesus Christ guys. They found that this definitely did not work while it seemed like it was a possible approach. The science behind the hypothesis was found to be flawed and the program was discontinued. In the sense of controlling hurricanes storm fury was a complete failure but scientists actually learned a lot about weather patterns in the process. So we can kind of call it a win on some levels and it's not a huge embarrassment in hindsight. Sure sure sure naming it storm fury might be a little bit a little bit frustrating for me. I don't like all this stuff is just fantasy the rest of it delivered by Ben Livingston in an interview

with Alex Jones in 2005. I watched a bit of the interview and honestly it kind of feels like Project Camelot stuff. While there's a kernel of truth in there you know that cloud seeding does exist in private companies do it. Alex is taking the extensions of it a bit too far and quite frankly I have no idea who Ben Livingston is. Yeah the only trace of him anywhere that's left is an appearance on info wars. There's no academic papers he's written. There's no references left in the congressional record or anything like that. It's all just stuff that he said and Alex has taken as gospel. It's impossible to know if Ben Livingston is a credible source on anything. So unless Alex can provide another source on this these aren't claims that I can allow to stand.

So far all that Alex is bringing to the table here is a 14 year old interview he did with some guy. Yeah I need better than that. Well I mean Ben Livingston did change his name later on to Zach Dan. I presume. No he was pretty old in 2005. Oh yeah. I don't know if he's still with us. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know the fact that you can't find anything else about him except for an info wars interview suggests obviously that he is 100 percent correct. They are scrubbing every bit of the record just like they did to keep it away from Ed Snowden. They've gotten rid of the files Dan. They're not hidden. They're burnt. Well I would believe that it's possible although I don't know this to be the case that Ben Livingston could have been a pilot who was

involved with storm fury like I think that that is not outside the realm of a possibility but the conclusions that he brings to the table and the things that he talks about are not supported by any available information and I need that other backing to the claims that he's making or else I just think well this is a guy who may or may not have been a pilot who now is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Well I mean I think the I think I wouldn't go so too far to say that the people who came up with what if we could weaponize hurricanes plan where a little bit out there as well but so I think he could very well be be accepted by that group of luminaries. You got to imagine though that like if you are people who have been like you know what it's possible that

we could create clouds. Hurricanes are a problem. They're very destructive. If there was a way we could use this technology with cloud seeding to disrupt a hurricane and lessen its damaging effects why wouldn't you try it. Like why wouldn't you research that. Well I mean the government research is all sorts of shit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I would assume that much like the the how to know when you're on the right side of history the should we have control over the weather. I bet it's probably never going to be used in an evil horrible way and hurricanes will never get out of control. A plan is probably on the like maybe we should leave that one alone kind of situation. You can call it super villainous or you could call it just the inevitable

conclusion where human curiosity takes us like you could say that about the internet existing right. I mean yeah but that's that's also a bummer. That's that takes you straight to great goo theory and you're like well I guess we're fucked then you know that's not so much that we're fucked it's that the constant path of human evolution or human advancement does involve a certain amount of risk with the things that our curiosity will inevitably bring us to. So the path and the challenge is figuring out a way that we can incorporate those potentially dangerous things into a sustainable world. So I don't see any of that as being super villainous or even as doom as you might look at it like we're inevitably trending towards gray goo right.

It's it certainly it's like well that's something we should keep in mind that is a real negative outcome but it doesn't mean that that's the inevitable outcome. Sure. There's a way you can have an ability to control hurricanes which again we do not right. There is a way that you could have that and it not be abused. Okay probably. I don't know. Well we've only dropped two nukes so I think we're doing all right you know with infinite world ending power. Well we have only dropped two. Yeah we're doing okay. That's that says no no that's what I'm saying. I'm saying relatively speaking with our power to destroy the world already. We have yet to do so so that's hopeful. Yeah it's yeah I mean you could look at it as bleak but it also there's a there's a silver

lining. Yeah. So Alex brings that to the table and that's not a good starting point. All that stuff is just stuff that Ben Livingston told him and so I got to throw that out a tiny bit because it's not really I don't know. I thought like maybe that was it but he has more and I get it. He has staked his reputation that geoengineering is not going on the quote using the lay term. Chemtrails don't exist. Well no one calls them chemtrails. Ha ha. It's high altitude aerosolized geoengineering programs and I'm going to show you the Department of Defense Council on Foreign Relations Smithsonian CFR the CIA director admitting it. We have international treaties on it. This is where I get too messent Jordan because you got something to really stick your teeth in.

Yeah this is where I'm like chomp out a crime on this one. Well whenever Alex really is like I'm going to prove something. That's when I'm like it's time to go to work. Yeah. I was up till like three or four in the morning last night. Rub your hands together. Just like oh yes prove it crack my knuckles because it's like okay. I don't think Alex is trying most of the time of course not and at least he's pretending he's trying now right. At least this is a time when I'm like okay. I have a worthy opponent. Yes. Right to the occasion. Yes. Exactly. It gets me very excited. I understand. So anyway here's where he starts and I want to be clear. I've not cut out stuff where he gives good examples. All of this is going to be terrible. I think everybody didn't need that

disclaimer. I just wanted to be clear that it's not like there's a smoking gun in here and I'm just like let's ignore that. Yeah. There are a lot of governments involved now at the secret treaty level adding it to the jet fuel for this quote project to dim the planet and save it from global warming. Two scientists won the Nobel Prize in 1992 coming up with this plan. So right off the bat I can't do shit with secret treaties. That's an unacceptable thing to bring into the conversation so I'm going to ignore it unless Alex can produce those treaties. That's because you're not at the level of secret treaties. And neither is Alex. So you can easily look up Nobel Prize winners and Alex is lying. We can't even do that. You can't even do that. What he just lies right

at the gate about Nobel Prize winners totally. Jesus so we can ignore the fields of literature, peace and economics since those aren't related here at all and I had looked at them from 1992. They have nothing to do with this. That leaves medicine, chemistry and physics as the fields of Nobel awards that could be related. George Sharpoch won the physics award that year for his invention of a particle detector. That's not related Randolph Marcus won for chemistry for his work in the it was related to the theory of electron transfer reactions and chemical systems, not related to guys. Edmund Fisher and Edwin Cribbs jointly won in the field of medicine, but it was for amino acid related research. So that was two scientists, but it wasn't wasn't

that me. None of this has anything to do with secret plans to dim the world through geoengineering where the fuck he's talking about wasn't the but didn't the Nobel Prize in literature go to a guy who wrote. Hey, how about we build some weather weapons or whatnot? Come on now. Hey did not know Alex might long title that Alex might be thinking of 1995 when three scientists won the Nobel Prize for their work understanding the chemistry involved in the formation and deconstruction of ozone. I assume that's what he's talking about because it involves the sky, but also has nothing to do with chemtrails to make the earth dimmer to fight global warming later in life. One of those three scientists who did get the Nobel Prize in 1995

Paul Crutzen did come out publicly in favor of exploring engineering solutions to climate change problems, but that's not what he got the Nobel Prize for Alex. If he's talking about them, he's conflating things and he got the year wrong. Here's his making shit up. He's just talking shit. So none of the Nobel Prize winners have come out and said that chemtrails are real. I'm assuming not in the way that Alex is presenting it. So he gets onto his next piece of evidence. He said that he's going to bring up the CFR, the DoD, all of it, and he brings up the DoD in this next one. Okay. So let's get into it right now. Overhead shot, please. U.S. Department of Defense. Now I'm going to play these clips of Joe and others. April 28th, 1997, Secretary of Defense

William S. Cohen. And he says that governments and others are working on weather control and weather weapons and that they can control and alter the climate. There it is on screen. Right off the bat. This can be ignored. His proof is that this guy in the DoD said that people are working on weather weapons. That doesn't mean that anyone has ever successfully made one or that any of this is real. The statement that people want weather weapons is totally logically consistent with the statement no one has ever made weather weapons. Wanting something and working on something is not the same as that thing being real. So we talked about this a little bit in the past, but because Alex is doing a large breakdown, I'm going to cover something that we've already talked

about. This was a news story about a speech that William Cohen gave at the University of Georgia on terrorism, weapons of mass destruction and U.S. strategies. It was entirely about Sean Connery and the Avengers, I'm assuming, right? Maybe. Might have been. Okay. If you read the quote in context, you'll learn that Cohen is talking about fake reports and how they can really fuck up a department. He was asked a question about a false alarm about an anthrax scare that had happened at Benai Brith the previous week, to which Cohen relates that sort of false alarm to the sort of scares that can happen when there's a belief that there's a mole within a particular law enforcement or government agency. Quote, the mere fear that there's a

mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or biological one. There are reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola virus that would be very dangerous a phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toffler is written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so they could just eliminate a certain ethnic group in race. And others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of

insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco type of terrorism, whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. This list of specific weapons, like weaponized Ebola and the weather weapons, they're examples of possibly fake reports that can come up that cripple a department because they have to respond to the reports as if they're real. This is not evidence of William Cohen saying that there are weather weapons. He's not even saying that anyone has one. He's not even saying that anyone's working on them. He's saying there might be false reports of these sorts of things. So far, Alex has provided evidence of nothing. Okay, so

I so if I understand correctly, his evidence is William Cohen said that people could be lying about this. Yes, and the very the very nature of this possible lie being reported. Yeah, can be devastating and a money suck and time suck for a department. Yeah, it's like that Twilight Zone episode. Right. The context of this makes it clear that he's not saying anything concrete in the way that Alex will want you to think. So Alex gets to his next piece of evidence. All right, let's move on to the next thing. Weather weapons have existed for over 15 years, testified U.S. Secretary of Defense. And that was 20 something years ago. This is an article published on natural news. So already not great. Burn it. Burn it down. Burn it to the ground.

So it just to be even. You could just dismiss it based on that. Done. Get this Jordan. The Secretary of Defense in question there is William Cohen. Of course. This is a headline about the exact same story as the first one. Can't be okay. Yeah, that cannot be okay. It's the same story. That is unacceptable. It's just published with a bullshit headline on Mike Adams website. It's unacceptable. Alex has literally proved nothing. All right. So anyway, he has a bunch of evidence. So in this folder, I have CFR. I have Wall Street Journal. I have them all admitting Bill Gates is getting government funding and running quasi secret programs. And they've now announced with aluminum salts, barium dioxide, added to jet fuel at the corporate

level, or even the pilots don't know. And then under the patents, it aerosolizes it into the atmosphere and creates nuclei, creating artificial clouds. I don't give a fuck about that folder unless you cite exactly what's in it. Alex can talk about Bill Gates and the CFR until he passes up from exhaustion. I still won't give a shit unless he gives me some specifics. At best, as I can tell right now, all of this is just talking about cloud seeding and then exaggerating it way far past the reality. Yeah, I think that's all these. That's pretty much what's going on. Plus if he's bringing up patents, like you can't trust that. Like there's so many for things that are crazy impossible to make. Yeah. There's patent trolls who just sit on things

and go here's a patent for a blank that then maybe later on something will be related to kind of you know how many fucking patterns there are for time machines. Yeah. There are a ton. Yeah. Any of them good though? Maybe. Okay. So anyway, this next clip comes up right after this and made me worried that that was it. Now I'm going to get to these clips. Let's play Joe Rogan with Edward Snowden a few weeks ago and he asked Snowden like Snowden knows everything in the world because he got some government files. So like he's jumping now to clips of Snowden as if he's proved his case. All he's done is talk about William. Two headlines about William Cohen make a reference to a 14 year old interview he did with some guy. Yeah. That's it. That's it. He

hasn't proved shit. Yeah. Put a check mark on the board, Dan, because he is done. Three is one, two, zero. He wins. Although literally his entire career is based on him being a guy who has secret government documents. He can't be then judging him and he can't be like a Snowden. Oh, all you've got are secret government documents. That's your that's yeah. That is a problem. Yeah. But the reality of this is as we, you know, it's very transparent. He's just mad at Joe. Yeah. Joe Rogan tells us it doesn't exist. It just insults the intelligence. Yeah. There was mainstream news telling you just what I just told you. So everything we told you 20 years ago has turned out to be dead on exactly right. But now they're announcing it exactly as we said, but we're more discredited,

more discredited. So the mainstream news article headline that Alex flashes up there is about Bill Gates supporting a group that's coming up with solutions to climate change using solar engineering. No, it's a group called the solar radiation management governance initiative or cloud fury as they prefer to be called to be frank. Their plan does sound a lot like what Alex has been talking about, what with the releasing tons of particles at a high altitude to block or reduce the impact of heat coming in. Yeah. That's all good and well, but that's not a thing that people are doing. It's not even technically possible in their plans at this point. And even if it were, there's a very good reason that no one would ever let them do this unless there was literally no other

option. That's because the consequences of doing something like this would be insane, including, but not limited to making the sky no longer blue. I mean, you know, I'm pretty sure that there's never been any movies made in the past about what would happen if we just started, you know, messing around with the guy. They've done some modeling of the idea and found that it would be cheap and it would probably be effective in reducing heat coming in, but they have almost no way of knowing what other sorts of disruptions to natural processes the plan might have. And that's why this requires more research. Bill Gates has been on this tip for a long time and we've talked about it before. He's not advocating that we do this,

but he's funding research into things that we can do if we end up in a real serious crisis and the world is becoming uninhabitable. Yeah. It's very possible that there could come a day where the ecosystem is so disrupted by something like climate change that we would be absolutely thrilled to risk the blue sky in order to survive. And by that point, it's way too late to research any of this stuff by putting money into it. Now we give humanity options later, which are super important. They would be helpful. Yes. Uh, as they become ever more increasingly likely to be necessary. So that's the headline. Alex flashes up on screen. So to reiterate so far, Alex has done nothing to convince me that chemtrails or a secret geo engineering program is real. All this

evidence amounts to nothing. And I didn't cut things out where he dropped bombshells. This seems to be all he's got other than whatever is in that super cool folder of his. This is the like part of the episode where I could descend into a protected list of all the times that supposed chemtrail scientists have had their shit debunked. Every embarrassing attempt to prove this shit, but I'm not here to prove a negative. Alex's job was to show that Joe Rogan and Edward Snowden were liars and wrong to say that chemtrails aren't real and he's failed in his task worse than project storm fury. To be clear, I recognize that Alex is just doing this whole segment to try and bait Joe into having it back on his podcast. I really just wanted to read

something for this episode. I understand. So here we are. I know you feel, I know it feels, I know it feels good. Yeah, I got you. It's great. Yeah. So anyway, Alex is mad about Joe Rogan and so he starts screaming about DMT stuff. Great. I was on Joe's podcast earlier this year and I said, there's a secret government program giving people DMT to map out these new dimensions and speak to these entities. I've never taken it. I just know about the programs. He had a professor on two months later saying exactly that and they just announced it that they're doing DMT drips. People are staying in it up to 10 hours and that they're like astronauts going in and actually mapping these other dimensions and these entities and the government believes it's aliens.

See, sure. Exactly what I told you precisely because I heard it when I was eight years old around at intertable and on some road trips with people involved in the project. Okay. So I think Alex is talking about Rick Strassman, who's the guy who wrote the spirit molecule. And he's been, this dude, Strassman's been working for a long time to prolong the DMT trip through like an IV drip. Sure. At least back to 2016. Like there was an article and vice about it back then. I'm not sure if that dude's ever been on Rogan's show, but I bet he has been. I bet he would be. I mean, yeah, why not? He's the guy about beat DMT. Yeah. Joe is the other guy about DMT. I didn't look through all of Rogan's episodes, but I was scrolling through them and his name

didn't come up at least in the timeframe that Alex is talking about. But I would bet anything that I own that whoever was the guest was talking about Strassman's research. This has nothing to do with the government thinking that people are talking to aliens and getting their commands the higher ups and the demon world. But I honest, like honestly, if the government were researching that, like, why wouldn't they? Yeah, government grants are behind all sorts of scientific research. And if some people who take DMT think that they're talking to aliens, why the hell wouldn't that be an area worth exploring? If you research that it doesn't mean that you actually believe that people are talking to aliens. You could very well be interested in learning more about the

parts of the brain that are involved in hallucinations. There are plenty of avenues for research here that are agnostic towards the existence of trans dimensional demon aliens, but simply Alex is fucking stupid. None of this means anything. Yep. I mean, if they're studying LSD and MDMA and the like for possible treatments for PTSD and and all of those things, why not add DMT in there? Let's figure some shit out. Yep prohibition doesn't work. There are there are a great deal of applications for research and uses for this other than mapping out a spirit world to talk to demon aliens. Right. Right. I remember although I wouldn't take that off the list. No, no. And like people who were studying like Lucid dreaming, like there's

some some researchers who were doing that. That's the terms in which they were talking about that too. Right. Like mapping out the subconscious world. Right. It's sort of a way of contextualizing it in your mind when it's not like you're actually going in and maybe like doing cartography or something. So if you if you have a scientist give you an exact technical definition of what it is they're doing, your eyes glaze over and you're not paying attention. If you have them give you a metaphor that allows you to make sense of what they're talking about, Alex Jones will take it out of context and destroy the world. Right. You know, yeah, but Joe talks to aliens, right? Right. Well, that's of course now Alex says people are talking to aliens, but now Alex is the crazy one.

That's true. But oh, that's kooky. Joe Rogan says he talks to aliens, takes the DMT believes it. But then when I point out it's a big globalist project and these aliens are telling the globalist what to do to change our atmosphere and prepare it for themselves. I'm the kook even though it's all true. All right, let's just go back. So when I come back, I'm going to play these clips, but but let's start getting to Snowden with Joe. Here it is. So now apparently the entire chem trail thing is about people taking DMT talking to demon aliens who are telling them to geo form the planet in order to make it hospitable for them to come because I guess they can't breathe

oxygeners. This is yeah. This is if you do agree with that. That sounds crazy. Do you understand that this is where it's gone? Yeah. His big segment where he's trying to call out Joe Rogan and Edward Snowden because he has all the proof about chem trails right now spiraled into DMT aliens are telling the government to geo farm the planet. Yeah. Okay. We are off the fucking rails. Yeah. And that's how you know it's right. This is where I'm like all right. I we're we're in straight up. I've looked into your specifics. Yeah. I reject them. Yeah. And now we can I embrace your bullshit. So anyway, Alex is mad at Snowden about this and I find something he says in this next clip very interesting. I'm refreshed to have somebody be mad at Snowden about a new

reason for a new reason. This is nice. It's interesting. I have not heard anybody be mad at Snowden about DMT before. So that's great. That's part of the reason. But I think that Alex says something revealing here. But the main thing is conspiracy theories. Right. Everybody wants to believe in conspiracy theories because it helps life make sense. It helps us believe that somebody is control in control right that somebody is calling the shots. These things all happen for a reason this than the other. Wow. When I had Steve Pachinik on when when he first came out Pachinik said he works for us externalization in the method. I was like oh that's not true Pachinik turns out it's true. That was all scripted. That's the standard line.

So Alex has been pretty consistent in his support of Edward Snowden because he revealed information that tended to help Alex create conspiracy theories. The stuff Snowden released generally speaking was well in line with the view that the U.S. government was evil which jibed real well with Alex's anti government shit. But now he said that there's no evidence of chemtrails and Alex has decided Steve was right all along and that Snowden was controlled opposition. Man it's a bad day. Now what I find most interesting about that is that Steve has been anti Snowden from the jump. But that actually works pretty well for my theory that Steve gets all of his information from Stratford. Yeah. The intelligence operation. Yeah. Yeah. They would also be pretty

heavily against Edward Snowden. You might think that. Yeah. If you recall in our episode where we covered Steve in depth we discussed how WikiLeaks Stratford email dump included a bunch of customer service emails from Steve Pachinik where we learned that since at least the mid early to mid 2000s Steve has been a lifetime member of their privately produced intelligence products and their publications. A 2016 article put out by Stratford includes discussing Snowden as an example of a quote internal threat. In 2013 Stratford founder George Friedman wrote an op-ed in Forbes titled quote keeping the NSA in perspective where he argues that the spying programs revealed by Snowden are really that big a deal quote the revelations about prism are far

from new or interesting in themselves. The NSA was created with the charter to do these things and given the state of technology it was inevitable that the NSA would be capturing communications around the world. Many leaks prior to Snowden showed that the NSA was doing this. It would have been more newsworthy if the leak revealed that the NSA had not been capturing all the communications. It seems like Stratford has a bit of a not super into Snowden streak. Yeah. And that would make sense. I think they did just put together. I think the best argument for dissolving the NSA entirely right seems like it literally what he just said was well of course they were going to break the Constitution. Duh. They are essentially a private version of an

intelligence agency. They share common cause with something like the NSA so they would likely see Snowden similarly to how the NSA would as an internal threat. It's possible this doesn't mean anything but this is definitely a position you'd expect to see from someone who is just regurgitating private intelligence company products. Yeah. So that you know that's a little bit of a huh it fits in line there. So now that Alex has jumped off into talking about how the chemtrails are really just part of a grand DMT alien conspiracy I'm I'm still struggling to wrap my head around that one but we can move on. I thought that he was done presenting evidence right. Well it turns out he's not. There's a pleiadians involved now. No unless Brennan

former director of the CIA Brennan is a pleiadian right as he plays a clip of him here and this is a little bit of a longer clip but I think it merits playing. So let's play that at the time the director of the CIA specifically repeating what we said they were doing 20 years ago. Here it is. Another example is the array of technologies often referred to collectively as geoengineering that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of global climate change. One that has gained my personal attention is stratospheric aerosol injection or SAI a method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun's heat in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do. An SAI program could limit global temperature

increases reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional time to transition from fossil fuels. This process is also relatively inexpensive. The National Research Research Council estimates that a fully deployed SAI program would cost about 10 billion dollars yearly. As promising as it may be moving forward on SAI would also raise a number of challenges for our government and for the international community. On the technical side greenhouse gas emission reductions would still have to accompany SAI to address other climate change effects such as ocean acidification because SAI alone would not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. On the geopolitical side the technology's potential to alter weather

patterns and benefit certain regions of the world at the expense of other regions could trigger sharp opposition by some nations. Others might seize on SAI's benefits and back away from their commitment to carbon dioxide reductions and as with other breakthrough technologies global norms and standards are lacking to guide the deployment and implementation of SAI and other geoengineering initiatives. But Edward Snowden said it didn't exist on the Cool Trendy show. You got him Alex. See how that works. See how that works. See how that works. So nothing that Brennan said in that clip can be taken really to mean that there is a program. There is a potential thing that had been researched. He's talking about this in the terms of this wood or

implementing this would create a number of issues that would need to be resolved. He's talking about this in a hypothetical sense. You can't introduce this as evidence that something does exist. I do like no one. No one can deny that research has been done on similar topics. Right. No one can deny that cloud seeding isn't something that has been done but to extrapolate it into the conspiracy that he's pushing is completely absurd. No. No. No. I saw somebody with the slingshot so that means that you know we can control the weather. Sure. That's that's pretty simple. I think that's how it works. So here is the last clip in our segment that I'm going to call Alex is a conspiracy dumb dumb. Now I can show you the Smithsonian articles of Department of Energy

articles the Department of Defense articles. I'm not going to show you all these and Bill Gates runs it. It's like he runs the inoculation program. And he admits us to get the population of humans down. So roll your slaves up. You smug asshole. Wow. Like that. I mean I got all these things I could show you but I've already proved my case. I don't prove I don't think that's allowed. I don't think I don't think that's okay. Oh fuck out of here. So anyway that's the end of this segment. The Alex has too much evidence segment. Yeah of our show. Yeah. So now we get to the the real the meat. The Steve Pachanic meat. Steve is back. Oh boy. Oh man. So great. So great on so many levels. I could I could listen to Steve yell at Alex all day. Is he is he really rude to him the

whole time. Well there's an interesting dynamic and that is that Alex is really he really lets him talk because I think that Alex has been humbled by Steve and so like Alex. I don't I don't know what the actual dynamic behind the scenes is or how it's changed over the year plus that he hasn't been on. Yeah. But Alex does seem far less willing to fight with him and Steve is up to his old tricks. You know how whenever in the past Alex would introduce him he would flatter Alex with like you're the best. Yeah. He's upped his game a little bit. Oh boy. Are we going to get a real brown nose on this one. No no no it takes a completely different form. Okay. This is amazing. Doc good to have you back with us. It's a pleasure to be back. Thank you for getting me back on the

show. We are in interesting times. Let me summarize it very briefly. Jefferson said it our founding father said it very clearly. He said in liberty we will have to sacrifice the blood of patriots and tyrants and that's exactly what's happening. Steve immediately quotes Jefferson. He is the best at this. No he's so good at quote Jefferson. He's so good at manipulating Alex. We've got a complete moratorium on but that one is actually he's using it as close to accurately as anybody. That's fine but I'm still calling a moratorium on Jefferson quotes but it's so fascinating that that is exactly what you do at Alex. Oh yeah like hey Alex you quote Jefferson all the goddamn time. His heart explodes with patriotism and he's like whatever you have to

say next after he's fucking saluting Steve Pajena right now. Yeah so you know they start talking about the impeachment a little bit. The impeachment inquiry and Steve naturally thinks it's all nice. Thinks it's a waste. Oh what you're seeing is millions and millions of dollars wasted on a process that will I will guarantee you end up where Trump will be reelected in 2020. There's no question of it. This is the demise of the Democratic Party. They are in a spiral of self destruction along with much of what we would consider the deep state. So why why aren't you for it then. Like shouldn't you be so thrilled Trump is getting impeached. Yeah of course because it's the demise of the Democratic Party and the end of millions of dollars. The states going down

and Trump's going to get reelected. You should be cheerleading for this. I don't understand why he's so sad about it. This is that he's really worried that the government is wasting money. I think that's the main issue here. Begin to like a school. There's this few million dollars could have been reallocated. Right. So there's a soft coup going on. Sure which there was in 2015. You know always. There's always a fucking soft coup. We're on coup counter counter counter. This is like great great great grandparents. I don't know if this is just restarted and it's a whole another coup or whatever. But apparently it has something to do with Yale. Anyway here's Steve explaining it. Whatever. But you had on one hand you had Jerry Post and you have psychiatrists who

are trying to claim that Trump is nuts and self destruction. On the other hand you have George Conway who comes out of Yale and is the husband of Colleen Conway. Colleen Conway who works at Trump administration. He's from Yale. Post is from Yale. I got Bolton from Yale. I've got Woodward from Yale. I got Bush's from Yale. I got Cheney from Yale. Is there something I'm trying to get at in terms of the nitis of this civil war or whatever you want to call it a coup attempt. It's it's a soft coup because we're not using military forces and military forces will not be used. We're not in the business of using military forces. If we have to we will do it. But quite frankly now we are now really in the business of taking down their soft coup and that's what I was doing with

my videos after I attacked Nancy Pelosi. That's what you've always been doing. That's what you're doing on Alex's show in the late 2015 and you convinced him to get on board with Trump. This is always the narrative. It is a soft coup going on and we've got to subvert democracy in order to save it. Stop it. Yeah. It's just it's and when you say who's we he always talks like this. It's crazy. He when he talks about the military he's like I've got a hundred thousand men overseas. It's like you do really. Nobody's calling you buddy. I've got to get Steve on the phone. We've yeah. Oh man. So the Democratic Party is imploding here according to Steve and this is interesting because this is pretty much the only reference to Bloomberg running on the show and it comes from

Steve. So what you see in effect is a very ineffectual a feat party self-destructing in the midst of what really is a Republican revolution. And in fact the reason Michael Blumbert had to come in he saw the same thing you and I saw which was the fact there's nobody in the Democratic Democratic Party who could be a viable candidate. Bernie Sanders is a joke. I've listened to him in Warner New Hampshire. He's the socialist who's a multi-millionaire socialist from book advances. If I could get his book advances I'll go to his publishers but I don't get multi-million dollar advances. So he's you know. No you don't. You've got there's a reason Warren who's basically losing it as well. She has no credibility and then you have the four whatever you want to call it

amigas who work together and destroying the party. So you really have nobody there. Biden I said is mentally ill. He has a problem with an aneurysm. All OK. All of the people that he named beat Trump in national polls had to have no no no no. So did Hillary. Fair enough. But but you understand. And like the the squad aren't running for president. Amigas. They aren't running for president. Now they're in there. They're in the race. I don't know. They're doing it anyway. I don't care about his analysis. This seems thin. Yeah. Yeah. Also racist. Let's not forget that. They go to break and this is coming back from break. I just think that this is so hilarious. It has nothing to do with Steve. But this is so dumb. Well our pay dunk him at mean world dot com. It's also

up on info wars dot com is released. Amazing new meme will play at the start of the next hour. It's on info wars dot com. I hope you spread it. The triumphant Star Wars music. Kill me. Kill me right now. Well. He's just a new new meme. Got a new me. That's not how you know. Jesus Christ. Oh man. Nothing. Nothing says this meme grew organically like Alex Jones announcing it on info wars. Yeah. Jesus Christ. You just imagine that swelling music. Alex comes back on. He's like. Well. Carpe. Doc's got a new reddit friend. Jesus. I know right. There's something just fucking stupid. The most insignificant thing I could imagine. Yeah. So Steve started out a little slow. But trust me. He gets up to speed real fast. Okay. So Jeffrey Epstein died. A lot

of people have a lot of feelings about it. I bet Steve's are really good. So there are people who say he's murdered. Yes. Some people who say he committed suicide. Right. There's a third group of people are waiting for Steve to give me some fire. There's a third group of people who are very crazy. And Steve Epstein isn't dead. I was surprised that one that our attorney general didn't do anything when Epstein quote was killed. Oh shit. No such thing as Epstein being killed or in any way slaughtered in a cell. Epstein was part of the CIA Mossad group. And he knew as well as I did with him bar that we take out our own people and we send them overseas. There was no death of Epstein. Oh boy. Jeffrey Epstein's alive. I knew it. I fucking knew it man. I knew it. Well you know

when you know when and ideas of being being a murder are too popular. Right. You need to go further. Oh absolutely. So for someone like Steve he's not fucking dead man. His tolerance is so high for crazy that like in order to even feel it he's got to go. He's got to go so much further than normal. Right. Right. Right. So yeah Epstein's not dead. He's the he's the guy in the 60s like man I got to do three tabs of acid just to get going. Yep. That's but that's my 100 percent. He is but with bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. So Steve as we know was a consultant initially at the state department in 1974 for like like three years or two years until he was brought in as a deputy assistant secretary of state. And he was in that position for a short period of time.

But in this clip he sort of rewrites his history. Surprise. And now what his job was again he rewrites his history again. Well it was his job to come in and fire everybody doesn't have the most ruthless people people like me and others. We get rid of them quickly. My job was to come into the state department and fire at will. It was the same thing in the intelligence community. There is no such thing in the intelligence. So it's true that Trump is incompetent but only by not knowing how to root these criminals out. Correct. Yeah. I was brought in. I fired everybody fired. The dumbest and worst people who are the ones who brag about coming in and firing like Trump on his show. You guys are so fucking stupid. So you know he fired a ton of people and it led

to a situation where the state departments that Steve was working ran out of people apparently listen to this shit. Alex the irony is he's not as tough as he should have been. You bringing guys like me or you. We would get rid of them. Why do I need seventy five thousand people in the state department. It's a joke. When I worked for Kissinger we had at most nine to ten people and Henry had the entire department deal with fifteen thousand. When I worked with James Baker he had three or four people and I was part of that group. He couldn't figure out what to do with fifteen thousand. Man the state department has a list of employees you can find pretty easily and Steve's numbers are nowhere near correct. I have no idea what he's trying to express by

saying that Kissinger had like 10 guys and that was the department. But I suspect it's a reflection of how uninvolved Steve actually was in the bigger picture. Yeah. Like I would believe that his office had like nine or 10 guys in it. But man the state department is really big and it always has been. How come you never. How come you never honestly asked the question. Why does the state department need seventy five thousand people. Well I mean consider just for a moment that ambassadors are part of the State Department. Then think about how that's just one part of the State Department. You start to realize there's a ton of people working under that umbrella to put it bluntly. Steve is talking straight up bullshit here. This is nonsense. Why do you need

seventy five thousand people working for the because there's a lot of shit to do. A lot of countries. There's a lot of intimacy. Yeah. So it but fuck all that. Steve says fire the State Department. Now we have seventy five thousand fire them. I do not need a State Department. I don't care if an individual is elegant nice he served in Vietnam. They are irrelevant. Let's pull back from this. I think even Alex is like hold on now. That's crazy. I hate the I hate big government but what you're advocating for is literally a dictatorship where it's just you at least it's like that's not functional. No the State Department being like a couple dudes. What do you what do you need a diplomat. You know what are what are those. What are those other

countries called. I could China. What do you need a diplomat for. You got me. I could see it working. No I can't never mind. Nope not possible. So they get to talking about you know Trump being corrupt being the greatest. Well you know like you know maybe enriching himself. Yeah. Well I mean he is he is corrupt. Sure Steve does not seem to care. Oh can Trump be saved in your view. And what are the plays they're going to use against him. They're going to use several things. One it came out Jared Kushner. Ivanka Trump had been self aggrandizing in their money and they've gotten wealthier. Yes deal. So every other president of the United States for the first time in our history. No that's not a businessman. And I've had to explain this to my intelligence

units. A businessman does what he has to do. I don't care if he makes money. He loses money. I don't particularly care if he pays tax or he doesn't. What. The president of the United States. He can fire at will. I think he might not be into this. Wow. He is not like the Constitution. These guys who love the Constitution hate the Constitution. Fuck you. He's a businessman. He's a businessman. He does what he has to do. Wow. Fuck you. I would. I would be interested to be a fly on the wall when he was explaining that to the entire intelligence community that he runs secretly apparently. Exactly. Okay cool Steve. So man Steve comes out real in favor of Putin in this appearance which isn't too surprising based on some of the

stuff he was saying in like 2016 2017. But it's a little very strong support here. We have national security interests. National security interests means business. So when anybody attacks Putin give me a break. Number one I was involved in the takedown of the Soviet Union. We had an agreement that was in writing. There is no such thing as the Russians invaded Crimea. What? In part of the Soviet Union and Russia for decades and centuries. But you knocked it down. Okay Steve. Okay Steve. Wow. So it gets even crazier. Putin is strong. He has an idea exactly. He wants to work with Trump. Putin has a great respect for America. He could care less about our elections. I've known about Putin since the day he came in because I was

jerzynsky square in the KGB headquarters where I knew before him that Putin would be the head of the KGB 20 years ago and my own the operatives in the KGB didn't know who he was. So we put in Putin there because we needed somebody to control the remainder of what was Russia. It's becoming clear to me that Steve Poczenik is a megalomaniac. That is wild. He presents a world where he's been involved in literally every single thing that is set the stage for the world we live in to come into existence. Yeah and I set up the East India tea company. That's how we spread the rule of law to China and his hand has touched every piece on the chessboard. We all think we have free will but in reality everything has been Steve all along. I can't think of a worse universe. I don't

believe any of this shit and I definitely don't believe that Steve had anything to do with Putin's rise. Steve chose Putin. Putin owes Steve everything. Dan the the timeline just doesn't make sense. Putin joined the KGB in 1975 and in 1974 Steve had just entered the State Department as a consultant. He wasn't even a deputy assistant secretary until 1976. This is all bullshit but it fits Steve's patterns so well. I kind of love it. I could listen to the Alex get yelled at by this grandiose old man for days just waiting to hear what like the next major world event he decides to take credit for it. I know we're forced gumping our way through every fucking yeah so when I was there at the Gulf of Tonkin I was okay god damn it man go go off. All right here we go. All

right so also in 2005 Steve wrote an op-ed for the American Intelligence Journal titled Putin KGB Forever which mysteriously doesn't mention him knowing anything about Putin before he became president of Russia. It's also super anti-Putin. Are you sure he didn't carve that into a treat? Putin KGB Forever. You may have also with a heart around it. So from that op-ed quote what is certain at this point in time is that Putin has muzzled the Russian press, sidelined rivals or jettisoned them into prison. He's kept parliament prerogatives as meager as they may have been and once again like all good KGB operatives he's disseminated intimidation and secrecy at once silencing domestic cries for security reform and political accountability.

Steve in that op-ed literally argues that America doing nothing and viewing Putin's actions as domestic issues will lead to a quote serious problem that he describes as quote Russia's neighbors in eastern and central Europe will be justifiably concerned about political destabilization of their regions. Huh what big country in eastern Europe that was justifiably concerned about Russian destabilization of their country? What was an example of that? Maybe fucking Ukraine? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I take everything back that I said in the last episode that we did where I said that Steve is consistent. He's just consistent in hating neocons, which isn't that impressive. That's considered. He's deeply inconsistent. Yeah. That's that's pretty

anyway. He installed Putin. That's pretty dynamite that his psyops are still elastic, you know? A years ago he fucking the reason that he told everybody that was because he assumed that they wouldn't take him seriously because he had chosen Putin. And of course, as we know, the globalists by law have to announce what they are doing before they do it. People have to tacitly agree with it. So that's Steve Pachanik has to put it out in a journal that Putin is going to do what he's going to do. Years later, we find we're here and in order to facilitate Putin continuing his power, Steve now has to run a psyops saying that he's not using his power. It makes perfect sense. Easier explanation. Okay. Steve's crazy. All right. That one. That one works

too. So they Alex and to some extent, I guess Steve are pretty convinced that Mitt Romney is going to be the ringleader of the impeachment when it comes to the Senate. Sure. And Steve says something real interesting here that people aren't going to vote for the Democrats. They've done nothing. They're actually in a self-destructive mode. The Republicans have to be very careful. Mitt Romney is not a Republican. Mitt Romney is a Mormon and elder of the church who is a coward. I said it years ago when we got a break, but I meant Romney is the guy that's going to lead the impeachment against Trump. I agree with that. So when we come back, I want to talk about this. So that's a very weird pairing of sentences. Mitt Romney is not a Republican. He's a Mormon.

That's strange. And you know what? It follows into this next clip where Steve is talking about how like we got to get a Mormon to neutralize the Romney threat. It's very strange as if we need, he's like, all right, our team needs a Mormon. Yeah. Yeah. What? And I would get rid of Pompeo as the secretary of state and put in John Huntsman. The reason for that is very simple. Huntsman worked underneath me as an ambassador to Singapore. He speaks Chinese. He was our ambassador to Russia. He's loyal to the president. And at the same time, he despises Mitt Romney. So I have a Mormon of a higher quality and a wealthier than Mitt Romney. And that's Huntsman. Huntsman could easily take out a Mitt Romney. So I've got a richer. My Mormon's better than your Mormon.

It's so weird. Okay. All right. We're doing secret wars. That's it. We're doing a comic book mashup events where we've got Steve Pachanik choosing the fucking Marvel universe versus the DC universe on the goddamn globalist side. So we've got fucking, that's what we've entered now. Yeah. We've entered in this part of Steve's interview with Alex. He is fantasy baseballing the administration. And guess what? Fantasy casting. Guess what? Steve's got a job. Okay. I would hire somebody like myself to come in and clean out that entire White House, get rid of the 2,000 people on National Security Council, get rid of anything to do with the State Department, and start coming into the State Department and start cutting down on the 16 different

intelligence units that I have. I get rid of the DNI, Directive National Intelligence. That's nonsense. Get rid of the Inspector General. That's nonsense. And at the same time, when you do that kind of firing, you set in motion an incredible counterrevolution that people will say thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. Literally what he's describing is, I will go into the White House and get rid of any and every possible oversight into what anybody does. And any possible descent. Exactly. Yes. He's calling for a night of long nights. What do you call that? What do you call that? So with all his constant talk of wanting to eliminate the intelligence community, as he's clearly screaming about there, it's really important to remind you that in one of the emails

that WikiLeaks released in their Stratfor dump, Steve wrote to Stratfor's customer service email line and said, quote, continue the great job. Soon we will not need our expensive, ineffective, bloated government agencies. In 2004, Steve wrote an op-ed for the journal American Intelligence Journal, arguing for a nearly complete outsourcing of intelligence operations to private companies. He is an insanely huge supporter of businesses doing spy work, which I think is a pretty bad idea. But here's the thing. He never makes that actual argument on Alex's show. He always presents this stuff super disingenuously. The goal he's working towards is private intelligence companies spying on civilians, like Stratfor taking over a ton of the responsibilities of the US intelligence

community. But instead of saying that on Alex's show, he'll say things like, all these people at the CIA are doing nothing. He'll couch it. But his real motivation is very clear from his actions that have been consistent over the years. He's using Alex's anti-government leanings to his advantage. Now granted, I believe that Steve is also fairly anti-government, but I don't believe that this aspect of his character is based on some small government principle. I have no idea exactly why he would want private companies spying. In the same way, I have no idea why someone would think private armies like Blackwater would be an okay thing to have. I can't nail down the exact explanation, but I know for sure that it's not good. By elevating Steve and helping him further

his agenda, Alex is wittingly or unwittingly help move us closer to a world that is not more free and privacy is not more protected. It'll just be for profit businesses that are doing the bulk of the spying as opposed to the government. So cool. This guy really is on the tip of the spear fighting against tyranny. Man, that is, that is wild that anybody could think a private intelligence agency is a, is going to Steve loves it, especially if there are multiple, like because, because the idea there would be like privatization means that intelligence agencies will compete with each other and whoever gets the best intelligence is going to win out. I can't see any problems with that. That's, that's like saying that torture gives you the best information.

You're going to get what you want to get out of it. That's how the fucking consumerist nature of it goes. You're not going to get the best information. You're going to get the information you want to pay for. Yep. It'll be. It would be not good. No, it would be the worst. Yeah end of everything. Yep. So anyway, he seems Steve seems to be calling for basically a purge of people in these these government places that are, you know, disloyal or oversight related and Alex seems to be on board with it. Well for 24 hours all crime is legal. So Dr. Steve Pachennick, one of the founders of Delta Force, ran major operations, the state department CIA, you know, Delta morrow installed position to be able to the technical expert for a lot of

Clancy's books to, to, to really give us a actual assessment. I agree with everything he's saying of what's going on, but your message to the president and also your message to the president about what you were just saying earlier, if we see some action, some real head starting to roll, this is going to energize everybody and it's going to guarantee, I believe, victory. But right now they don't respect the president because they have gotten away with literally like a cat in your house pissing all over the furniture. I mean, these guys need to be whacked upside the head. I agree. Just a small point as a cat friend, a cohabitator with a cat. Yeah, let's say that's not how you discipline a cat. No, that's that's how you create a very mean cat. You will break the

bond that you have with the cat if you discipline them through like physical violence or, or something. What Alex is suggesting doesn't work metaphorically. It doesn't work actually. And he's supporting the idea that Steve has of a purge, which he gets into a little bit more here, just screaming more about how he wants to fire everybody in the intelligence community. The truth of the matter is we have to be tougher with our own Republicans and get rid of these people because they're not really Republicans. They're grandiose, sycophants who want to be in power. In turn, I would clean out all of the institutions. I do not need 75,000 people in the State Department. I barely need a few ambassadors in a time when I have the internet and what diplomacy,

you can just email a whole embassy overseas wasting millions and millions of dollars. I don't need six intelligence units that repeat what they do. And I don't have an integrated human capability. So that's stupid. I am. You know, it's it's a testament to Steve's ability that he can say that these are spineless sycophants who just want power comma what I would do if I had all this power is help you retain all the power. Exactly. Yeah. So the problem is that Steve would do all this. You'd fire everybody and it'd be great in a civic sycophantic power fantasy. But Trump, whose catchphrase is you're fired, right, is too nice to fire. He's a coward. Now there's a solution to this problem. I'm down for this

because I'm really worried you'll start screaming not because this is infuriating because it's one of the most ludicrous things. Okay. I think I've ever heard someone seriously suggest. I'm going to say something that most people don't really understand. The irony of Trump is that he's really a nice guy. He's not mentally insane, like Jerry Post said in the CIA. Post doesn't know what he's talking about. He's far more afraid of firing people because he can't do it in front of him. The ones who can do it ironically are Ivanka Trump. Melania is the one I would go to because she's the person I would trust the most. Came out of a communist system, speaks four to five language. She knows exactly what's going on in the White House. In fact, it turns out usually she's

the one that's gotten a lot of these people fired. That's the one I would work with. So now we're going to have Melania fire everybody. This spirals out of control to levels that I don't think anybody could ever imagine in this next clip. You're, you, you were afraid I was going to, I was going to, yeah, I, I have no, I have no words. Yeah. Somebody just said that we should hand all of this power to Melania Trump. So she can fire people. So, and they talk about that a little bit more in this clip. There's nothing more to say that that's the end of the sentence. And then please stop listening to me. There's so many more things to say. No, there's no, so they talk about it a little more. And then I think what the kids call this is these dudes are being horny on Maine. Okay. Is that,

is that the, is that the term people use? Sure. You know, and that's something that would really captivate women out there. We're always hearing about women in power. That would be a great move as well. Melania is one of the most powerful, intelligent, certainly most beautiful. Yeah, have you ever been around her in person? No, I know I'm from Marietta. I mean, because you super hot women don't intimidate me, but she is definitely has a super presence. You're like, ah, it's something about her. She's very, I don't want to say masculine, but I mean, she's a big woman too. And it's, it's imposing. Great. Great. Did he just, this is great. This is great stuff, man. I just gross. Yeah. These guys are so gross. They're so gross. And you know what's

even funny or two is that like, like at one point, Alex is like, you know, this isn't like one of those normal shows where people talk about bullshit. This is real politic. You guys are just talking about Melania. So hot. She should fire everybody. So hot. She should fire everybody. You turned me on. You know what? That would swing the woman. All the women would be like, look at this woman firing people and she's hot, but also she's big, a little masculine. It's intimidating. You just, oh, you just get in there. I'm not intimidated normally, but yeah, but the issue is that Trump needs more ruthless people and they're viewing Melania as possibly a ruthless person. And Steve also brings up like she knows about communism and whatever,

but this clip, this clip ends kind of funny. And it makes me think that Steve might be divorced. The point I'm trying to get at is we need to have people in there who are far more ruthless than the president. It sounds bizarre, but that's exactly what's true. He has that hard ass, you know, supposed patina, but people that really know Trump. That's not the case. No, it's not. He's sweet. He's been sweet to everybody. He does stuff like he's called up my wife, you know, to congratulate her when we got married a couple of years ago. And I don't even, I don't even know how I found that out. Well, congratulations, but honestly, you and I know my wives are expensive, but let's go on to the next one. Oh boy. Yikes, Steve. Wives are expensive.

I had to take the old crota career one year. He's sound bitter. Bitter is the word I would use for that. Wives are expensive. Oh boy. His response. I guess you didn't know Alex got remarried. Yeah. Congratulations. Wives are expensive. Oh man. Old creep. This is these two guys together are are just fucking gross, gross old men. Yeah. There's no other way to put it. Yeah. So this next clip I think is where we get into like real dangerous. Like it's real silly for him to be like, you know, Melania should fire everybody. Yeah. It's dumb, whatever. This actually is advocating and even like, I guess you could say that like firing everybody in the State Department and stuff. Should anyone act on that? Incredibly dumb. Yeah. But this is where

it's like, all right, you are out of line. The real next point is the fact that Trump really needs to clean out his cabinet quickly. And without any excuse, I need an attorney general who can fire and hire. I can't wait for the judicial courts. I'm not a great believer in judges. I am a great believer in an attorney general and head of the FBI who can put people in prison ASAP. The due process of the law does not work in the United States. It's been a farce. Literally. Due process is one of the defining features of the West, according to Alex along with private property owning guns and free speech. The very idea that he would allow someone to come on his show and express a desire to do away with due process is incredibly telling. You can't be

philosophically in favor of due process and the Constitution and not a lot of this shit to stand. But of course, Alex has been completely humbled by Steve and now Steve can do whatever the fuck he wants on this show. Steve and Alex didn't ever really agree on a whole lot. The more you think about it, Alex thought they did because Steve was fucking with him for years and blinding him with flattery. But now Alex is much closer to Steve's point of view, wanting to perform an internal coup, a shoring up of power. Now that Alex is reasonably certain that the president who would become the authoritarian ruler is primarily sympathetic to heterosexual white Christian males. He doesn't really give a shit and that's kind of like fomenting a coup to create an

authoritarian state is kind of in line with a lot of the stuff that Steve has been primarily interested in for a long time provided it's the right kind of ruler. So now they're far more in line than they used to be. Alex has been brought to that level where you know Steve can come on and be like due process doesn't work and Alex can be like I made my career yelling about due process. But you know what? I agree with you on everything. Getting rid of it would defeat the globalists. You know, you've gotten to this point where everything you stand for means nothing. The more I think about it, the more inclined I am towards the belief that Steve is very responsible for the situation Alex is in right now. Like, I mean, he completely fucked up Alex's

life is what I mean. It was Steve who first gave Alex the supposed insight information that confirmed his conspiracies about 9 11. It was Steve who was the first person to tell Alex that the victims and survivors of Sandy Hook were all actors. It was Steve who helped convince Alex to support Trump by telling him bullshit stories of a coup and a counter coup that needed Alex's help. If we're going to make it, we need your help. If you take Steve out of the equation of Alex's show, he probably wouldn't have made nearly as much money over time, but he also never would be in the sorry state he is in now. He got fucked over by a manipulative psychopath. And now because Alex is so desperate for an audience, he's got to go crawling back to that same toxic influence

who's he managed to avoid for over a year. Then for what most of Steve's videos on YouTube get like 20,000 views. If that's enough for Alex to go chasing and come to the point where he's like letting someone be like do process doesn't work. Alex is in way worse shape than we were even thinking. Yeah, man. Does Steve ever say the type of government that he would prefer? I mean, you just call it a republic and you're fine. I mean, literally he is describing a fascist a combination of the corporate spy agencies with an authoritarian leader. Yeah. Yeah. What is that? What we should do is we should have a small group of oligarchs. We'll call them a polyp bureau and we'll have them all fight each other for my approval. And if they lose it, then I will kill

them and erase them from photograph and there's a very simple system. I don't understand and who cares if this leader that we have is a business person who's directly altering the way they operate in order to further their business. I mean, that's fine. Nobody's ever seen a corrupt billionaire dictator before. Never. None. It's it's those are mutually exclusive things. I definitely didn't set one up in Russia. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean that's the reality of like what Steve wants and he's presenting it as there is this soft coup of the Yale globalists or whatever. Yeah, I'm glad it's such a serious thing that we need to do all of this stuff that's counter to what our institutions are based on operating as in order to eliminate this threat.

That's classic. Dictatorship. The only way to save the Constitution is to temporarily suspend it entirely. Hasn't Alex seen Star Wars? No, no, no. It's temporarily. We just got it. Look, we're going to put a pause on it and then we'll bring it right back once we get everything cleared up. Don't worry. It's just going to be a dictatorship for a little while. That works in the world. Yeah. So earlier we heard Steve say that Epstein's still alive and he talks about that a little more now and I think he's starting to swing Alex. Okay. The truth has to be spoken. Epstein didn't die in prison. Nobody killed him and he certainly didn't commit suicide. Well, you're the guy that said bin Laden didn't really die in the red. You said he was already dead

and he did have a disease that nobody lives more than a few years. Marfans, but this is a big deal to have you because I respect you and you don't be a BS on air. So wow. Yeah. Alex is starting to come around to that. That which is crazy. You don't be a son air. If it weren't for you, I wouldn't know that Osama bin Laden died from Marfan syndrome. All of there you go. All of the things that I can think of that were major gaffes in Alex's career. A lot of them have to do with Steve saying bullshit on air. Yeah. He hasn't been on the show in over a year because he said that the Las Vegas shooting didn't happen. Right. That's bullshit that he said on air. Yeah. His whole career is defined by bullshit that he says on air. Well, I guess that the, I guess the family of

Epstein can't sue him for defamation by insisting that he's alive. I mean, I suppose that's not probably not. I suppose I suppose they're in the clear with that lie. Yeah. So in this next clip, it starts out with Steve saying some slurs about lesbians in relation to Hillary. So heads up for that. And then he slurs on this show recently. Any pivots into defending Trump being incredibly corrupt? It was a dyke and is a dyke. I personally couldn't care less. She was highly compromised. Bill Clinton was on that plane more often than I could be on United Airlines. Again, bonus miles. Bill Clinton was highly compromised. He's a coward. He's corrupt. I've known about Clinton since 1988 before he ran when my operatives in Taiwan said this man was bought off by the

mainland Chinese. Then my CIA operatives came when he won the election against Bush and said to me, I asked him how could this guy Clinton who came in third in New Hampshire be able to be president of the United States? And they said he robbed the election. You have you have corruption permeating throughout. It doesn't matter whether you're Democrat or Republican. In the case of Trump, if he's corrupt, fine. I don't particularly care with Trump. He's a businessman. He's a businessman. Those are the exact type of people that I can't have be corrupt. So now let's just say, okay, Bill Clinton's a businessman. Now what? Oh, no, no, no, you can't say that. But what if you want? Let's just say he's never run a business. Yes. Oh, well, then in

that case, of course, it's okay. His personal brand is a business corruption on all sides, Dan. And with Trump, it's fine. If he's corrupt, it's with other people who don't have a white nationalist agenda. I don't they're corrupt. I'm very mad about it. I don't disagree that there is corruption all around and plenty to go around on both sides. For sure. I don't disagree with that prescription at all. I take issue with Trump is cool with it, though, because he's a business man. He's a business man. Go fuck yourself. It's fine. That is such a flimsy line. We cannot. We cannot have public servants be corrupt. But if you're a businessman, you're a businessman. Come on. We're just doing some business. Yeah. So Alex takes the opportunity of having Steve on to ask him a little bit about

Q and QAnon and they both seem to have the impression that it's not good because it gives false hope, which is interesting. I hate these people so much. It's interesting because I don't totally disagree with that on some level. But the problem is that they are against this false hope because they need Trump to be ruthless, which again is about firing all of these people. It's about a dictatorship. Yeah. But just briefly back to Q. I just don't like things that say everything's wonderful. Stick with the plan. Trump's invincible. They're all about to go to prison. And then year after year, it doesn't happen. And the things aren't true when we're really working and really getting things done and exposing moles in the White House and you have the Bonafides.

And then it becomes, well, there's this nebulous thing that's like imperial that you've got about on to and it's a 4chan board. That's all I'm saying is people need to know that Trump is in perilous times and that he needs to be pressured to take action. As you said, because that's who can take the action is the president, not some mythical thing telling you that action's been taken when it hasn't been taken. I agree with you because I've heard the nonsense saying that the following people were arrested and this is going to come out and that he's right. I agree with Alex. It's very simple. Trump either wants to remain president and he's got to be tough. He's got to be tougher than he ever thought he could be, which is not really in his calculus.

He has to go on Melania and Melania will tell him exactly what he has to do because I have no question in my mind that she and I think alike. What the fuck? Steve has decided that he and Melania are some pateco. They're on the same page. This is this is the ramblings of a madman now and no shit. I thought it was crazy before. No, no, he's crazy. I see now. I thought it was crazy, but him just being like a fun like usual suspects kind of crazy where he's just he's just playing, you know, grab bag word games and having a grand old time coming up with coming up with ways to try and like stop the neocon agenda that he just having fun. Yeah, just doing his evil thing. But now he's saying that he and Melania think I have no doubt in my mind Melania thinks

like me is the. I don't think anybody says that it's it's pretty. I don't think there's anybody on the planet who has any interest in saying that I never expected that Steve would come back on after over a year of being gone and a lot of it would be about how great Melania is and how Trump needs to get her to fire everybody. Yeah, because he's too weak to do it himself. He is really delivering on the promise of Steve Puccini being back on infowars. Yeah. And here is the cherry on top of Melania story. The person I would pick is national security advisors and Melania. She would be the key point in that white house. I don't know every new person that comes in the whole corrupt deep state runs at them. Okay. So we got Melania in his national security

advisor. We got John Huntsman in as secretary of state because he's a richer Mormon than and Mitt Romney. We got Steve Puccini doing something where he yells at everybody and fires at will. This is not a good white house man. I can't. I can't think of a worse government than whatever it is. Steve Puccini think is thinks is the best government. Yeah, that's pretty bad. I really can't think of anything worse. Yeah, that's that's an accomplishment. Yeah, you know, in some ways to have the worst idea is better than to just have a bad idea. It's impressive. Is it in some sense? Yeah, we have one last clip and it's Steve expressing what his expectation was when Trump got elected. And it's incompetent if Trump doesn't stop all this criminal activity with

the Justice Department. It's dangerous. These people are out of control. I agree with you, but Trump has to make this. In other words, where we're begging is that he be what he was supposed to be from the very beginning. Tough, ruthless without any explanation or any rationalization. That's all we asked of him. The minute he does that, there will be guarantees that he will come in on 2020. If he hesitates or he's not certain or he's going to back off, all bets are off. We put him in there to be a strong man. Consolidate power that really that really is maybe the the best explanation for his voter base is like we elected you to be our id. Yeah, we are we elected you to be the swirling mass of hate and impotence made act as act as a wrecking ball

against these sort of what we would call liberal social gains that have been made over the last 50, 60 years. Roll back all kinds of protections for vulnerable communities. Take away reproductive health care. You know, do all of this stuff that we want done. Don't answer questions about why you're doing it. Yep. Never apologize. And if you do that, we will be totally fine with you shoring up all the power that you want acting in the most corrupt ways imaginable. Yeah, who gives a shit? And you know what the problem is? You know what that is? All he's doing is acting corrupt and they still have to defend them. Yeah, that's a bummer for them. Yep. And they're getting sick of it. Yeah, they're getting real tired of these people like Steve are. Yeah. But you know,

getting Melania's NSA would certainly help quite a bit. What the fuck are we doing? Yeah. Yeah. So now that we've wrapped up with the clips, I want to explain to you why I think that this episode is such a good demonstration of the holistic awfulness of Alex's show. Throughout this episode, we've seen a very clear example of five distinct behaviors that Alex engages in regularly that are destructive to the public consciousness and discourse. The first is that he creates narratives completely and totally out of thin air that are separate from reality. We saw this in Alex's insistence that Hillary Clinton is secretly running for president and has announced that she is. This isn't real, but Alex needs it to be real because it's easier for

him to work against this imagination of Hillary than it is for him to create a whole new villain out of Elizabeth Warren, or to try and figure out how to thread the needle about Bernie. Like, it's just too difficult for him. Hillary Clinton is an evergreen bad guy. So he creates a fictional reality that people get to live in. Yep. The second is whitewashing and straw manning for racism. We saw this in Alex yelling about Disney, putting warnings on their movies about racist content, which he pretended were warnings about heteronormative content. We further saw this in the way he turned a story about that Bristol hospital withdrawing treatment for racists into a story about denying care for right wingers. This is a clear pattern that he has of whitewashing,

straw manning for racism, turning them into different issues. So the audience is comfortable in supporting racism, pretending they're doing something else. Yeah, with that one, what I find so clear now is just that I don't even know if he's, he might just be doing this reflexively, and it may have been a conscious thing at first, but now I just see him as like actually associating those two together. It might be just purely like, Hey, if you're not letting me say racist and sexist things, you are discriminating against right wingers. It's possible. You know, it doesn't. The effect of it is the same. It really doesn't matter if it doesn't matter, but I think I think he's, I think he just doesn't even know anymore. It's an academic question. I'm

not sure. The third element is overt, unhinged and completely wrathful bigotry. His screaming about trans people or drag performers being satanic aliens is a level of hate that is so far past what any decent person would consider acceptable. His claims that he's not a bigot, you know, he does, he claims that, but what he's doing flies so far past just hate speech. It's outright incitement. And it's important for people to understand that element to his rhetoric. The fourth thing is that Alex is a dumb fuck conspiracy theorist, but he's super smug about those things. And he pretends that he's proved everything when in reality he's just making that shit up. He's a wizard of Oz hiding behind imaginary folders full of evidence he'll never

show you. Alex seduces his audience into believing he knows what he's talking about with that mystery folder and a couple of headlines that appear to be in line with his conspiracies, but definitely aren't as a sub point on this one. We also see how Alex is very often using his conspiracy theories that he spreads for his own selfish purposes. The only reason he did that whole dumb chemtrail segment is because he wants to go back on Rogan's podcast because he needs to get more listeners so he doesn't go broke. He's been so enabled and rewarded for this sort of confrontational bullshit behavior in the past that it makes total sense that he would do something like this again. Absolutely. The last element is platforming dangerous lunatics. Steve Pachanik is completely

insane. He's masquerades around as an expert. In just this episode, these are the things he's put forth while being presented as a respectable credible source. Epstein isn't dead. Putin is super awesome and Russia should have Crimea. The entire State Department should be fired. Trump should eliminate the intelligence community. Melania should be made national security advisor. Trump gets to be as corrupt as he wants because he's a businessman. We should get rid of due process and Trump needs to ruthlessly shore up power over all areas of the government. A person advocating stuff like this is an insane extremist. They are supporting positions that are in direct contradiction to the foundations of our government's constitution and are the

exact sorts of things you might expect to hear from someone who's trying to install a dictator. But instead of presenting the situation honestly, it's presented as if the things you're pushing for are actually in support of democracy and the will of the people. This is very basic propaganda stuff. You install a strongman dictator by creating the perception that a greater evil exists, that only a strongman dictator can defeat. It's literally what these dudes are doing. It's the fucking 101. These are the five elements that are so consistent through Alex's career that are put on stark display on this November 13th episode. And I recognize Alex Jones is not the most relevant person in the world right now. His reach isn't nearly what it was in past years and

all indications seem to suggest that he's going broke. And that's fair, but I don't think that it makes this any less concerning. These five bullet points are not unique to Alex. And the thing is, it's not like this is some kind of a special episode where Alex decided to play the hits. Most of his show contains most or all of these elements. It was just particularly glaring when I was listening to this episode today, so I felt it would be worthwhile to bring an added focus to it. These are consistent and regular planks of his programming and they're all toxic to the health of public discourse. Alex Jones going off air won't solve any of these problems. They've gone far too mainstream at this point, and you see these same patterns and countless

other conspiracy and extremist shows. I could be incredibly wrong about this, but imagining that any single one of those outlets going away isn't going to do any good. It's just not. But understanding how they operate and why they operate the way they do seems like it might be a way to take power out of this propaganda. I just wanted to put that bow on this and reflect a little that, you know, it's so obvious to me on this episode, the the specific discreet things that are being done. It's almost even segmentation, you know, because there is the portion where he's doing the race straw man. Yeah, you know the Disney stuff and the the hospital are around the same part of the show than a whole segment of conspiracy theory bullshit. Yeah,

Steve Pachennick gets a good hour at the end of the show. You know, it's there is there is almost like all right we're hitting these bases and it's not always like that. A lot of times it's a much more scatter shot throughout the episode. His staff is smaller, but he did hire the program manager from the Colbert report. So everything is really structured pretty well. There's a solid situation. You got to get a check to your to your point about uh getting rid of these media empires created solely to push this kind of propaganda. I think that goes right back to where we are with weather weapon research and that that is the logical endpoint of our curiosity. It is not going to it is not going to just go away the issue because

they're it's there. It requires us doing something requires learning, control restraint, and constant watch guarding. Yeah, yeah, because the the the parallel for what you were talking about with weather weapons would be like outlawing this kind of research exactly and that is a sort of thing that I think is detrimental to humanity right in the same way outlawing the lion or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it creates a dangerous kind of tone in the world. You know, it would probably do more harm than good. Whereas you know everyone doing some deep soul searching about how you use X technology. Everybody doing some some hard work maybe maybe it's not that hard on understanding how this manipulation works. It could go a long way

towards allowing this to still exist in the world and decreasing the possibility that it can be effectively used for evil ends and maybe I admit that's naive of me. Yeah, maybe it is yeah, but it's the position I'm living in right now and I don't know if that'll change, but it's the sort of conclusion I find myself at one thing I like about. Thank God, Steve's back. Yeah, I know one thing I like about Steve's laundry list of things that he would prefer in a government is that it seems like if somebody else gives you one of those same things that they would desire, you know, if somebody's like I want Trump to have the to control and fire people and be more ruthless, you can guess that they're also on board with a few of the other ones,

maybe not Melania Trump being an SC, but well, I mean also imagine. Imagine the the reaction that Steve or Alex would have if like some Obama surrogate or something said we process if Obama nominated Michelle to any position. It would be it with the nuclear war. Yeah, yeah, it would be yeah. It would be the end. Yeah, yeah, it would be an armed resurrection. Right. And so but that speaks to the these sorts of things that are so far beyond the pale of acceptable. Yeah, become acceptable because you know you got your guy. Exactly. You got the guy who is going to keep your interests secure while attacking or allowing attacks to vulnerable communities that you want to be targeted. And as long as he does that stuff that you want him to do, you can turn a blind eye

to everything else. Yep. Even as he destroys you because he's a fucking con man. Yeah, the same way that you're a con man. These people are so stupid. It's a mess. So as wacky and fun as some of the Steve coming back is there's real fucking messed up things that he's suggesting and pushing on the show and a lot. Alex is seconding and allowing to be presented as credible, which is a real fucking mess and I hate it. But at the same time I would be lying if I said that it wasn't way more fun to listen to this episode. Not the part where he's yelling about trans people being demons, but like the part where Steve is on is so much more listenable than so much of a show. Yeah, it's just like what are you saying you put in Putin and here's and here's the thing. It's

dark. It's real dark and maybe if you took it if you took it anywhere near as seriously as you would that fucking Oath Keepers guy segment, you'd be like, this shit is terrifying. But because it's Steve, you're like, this dude is fucking crazy, man. Is an interesting character. Melania should be the NSC. Yeah, I get that. I get that you're calling for a dictatorship in the end of the constitution entirely. Yeah, but damn Melania's NSC. You are fucking crazy, man. You're crazy for this one. You are crazy, Steve. You keep it going. Welcome back, Steve. We'll be back on Monday. Another episode, but until then Jordan, we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight dot com. Yes, we are also on Twitter. We are. It's that knowledge

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