Knowledge Fight - #373: April 24, 2013

Episode Date: November 25, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a glimpse into the past to continue their coverage of Alex Jones' show in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon bombing. In this installment, news has come out that one of the bombers was a fan of InfoWars, so Alex attempts to deal with that as best he can.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying me are the bad guys. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying me are the bad guys, saying me are the bad guys, saying me are the bad guys. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan. Let me ask you a question. Got it. Have you ever been stood up? Yeah, yeah, I got stood up by a therapist once actually the end of a relationship. You were going on a date or I had it. I used to be really bad at keeping appointments and I still am a little bit, but when I really focus on it, I'm pretty good at it. You know, writing down, making sure double check every day. You got a calendar up there. Yeah, and so back in back in Missouri, I had a therapist that I was working with and I had written down a date that we are for our next session. I knew when we were supposed to meet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, now at this point in my life, things were real bad. I was very broke right and I could barely afford gas. Yeah, and I was in a things have changed so little. I was in a particularly tight situation at that time of the month. I'm not entirely sure all of the circumstances surrounding it, but I end up like last bit of gas, just like to get to the office. Yeah, yeah, yeah, on neutral at the very end, like sliding in there. Yeah, yeah, and like I'm just like real like I did it. I stuck to it. Yeah, I show up. No one's there. No one's there at the office. It's just completely dead. No one I was just empty. I'm just furious like they went out of business. Yeah, basically, and so I end up like getting back in my car, getting home and I double check everything. All of my calendars, everything. I had the right time. I had the right day, everything. And so I confront my therapist about it and he is not giving an inch. Oh, of course not. No, I had the wrong time. That's a bad therapist. It's one of those things too. Like I look back on that as like did I have the wrong time and even now, like 10, 12, I don't know, maybe even 15 years later. Yeah, I am certain I have the right time. You will not be gaslit by a fucking Missouri therapist. Yeah, so that ended that that sort of working together relationship. Geez. I always I've always resented that a little bit. Yeah, stood up by a therapist. Real bummer man. That's that's such a high level of responsibility to you. Can't be standing people up if you're a therapist. No, it's your job to be there. Yeah, that's yeah. That's literally your job is to be there for people outside of that.

I mean, I'm sure I have been stood up like on dates or something. I'm positive I have, but I never really take those two personal. Yeah, you take it in stride kind of like there must be a reason. Yeah, just kind of like yeah. I would probably stand me up to see now. That's why you needed to see that therapist in fucking Missouri bingo. It's his fault from the beginning. I'll just be like I'll have another drink and go home. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't have too many memories that But I do have a lot of memories of listening to Alex Jones. He's never stood me up. That's And tell you that right now. That's true. So Jordan, today we as mentioned on a Friday episode, we are back in the past. Yes. Thank God. Very exciting for me. Yeah, because as we go through this 2013 investigation checking into the stuff that Alex did after Sandy Hook and now more specifically the Boston bombing, right? So that's the phase we've entered here. We are now at April 24 2013, which is my birthday. Hey, happy birthday, Dan from the past. So now we get to see if Alex Jones has any gifts to give me six years in the past. I'm going to imagine you on this day wearing a little birthday crown if that's okay with you. Sure, by all means. All right. So before we get down to my birthday episode of Alex Jones is Boston bombing coverage. Let's take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up in our sporting the show. So first of all, well, thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

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As well as manipulating things about those stories to match what he had already determined. And I think we will see a continuation of this. Right. And actually, I think there's some really interesting stuff that happens on this episode. All joking about it being my birthday aside. There is some really something to celebrate. Yes, absolutely. But we start off with Alex basically completely admitting that he sent Dan Badandi to go to the the press conferences that he ended up disrupting with his bombastic questioning. Dan Badandi, m4wars.com, East Coast reporter, privately and now publicly known as the Kraken. Monday, John Bown walks up and says, do we release the Kraken? That's our nickname for him. And I said, yes, release the Kraken. That was it like three o'clock right after the bombing happened because he's he's in Rhode Island right outside Boston. So I mean, that is very interesting. And that is very interesting. Yeah. What does he say about that relationship now again? He does not like to make it so overt that he tells Badandi what to do because the times that Dan Badandi went down to Newtown in Connecticut and harassed the victims families and the lawyers and the people involved in the Sandy Hook situation was after this point after April 2013. That's not good. So if Alex has established a precedent here that he deploys the Kraken, he does release the Kraken on occasion. Yeah, that does seem to indicate that possibly the behaviors that Dan Badandi illustrated and did in Newtown were at the behest of the one releasing the Kraken. Yeah. And Alex can't be like, no, no, no, no is my underling who did it and they didn't ask me about it very clearly. It was like, hey Alex, should we allow this man to harass people? And he's like, go for it. And Dan Badandi's only skill is yelling at people and being a dick. Yeah. So the idea that man, that's a common skill.

So Alex, like a couple hours after the bombing had already decided, well, we're disrupting this. Like he had no reason by that point to think this is a false flag. No, although we know that he determined it immediately. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He had no reason to think like, well, what we need is a bombastic guy who's going to yell the truth at people. He just knew like, hey, there's going to be a lot of media attention here. Yep. Let's get put info wars on TV. Let's get our firebrand. I'm resistant to call him a gadfly, but let's get that guy. He's not a guy. Yeah, you should definitely stay resistant to calling him that. So Alex is really bragging about Dan Badandi on this beginning of this episode. And a big part of it is because he got on national news, international news, yelling info wars.com, which led to a ton of fucking traffic. So he's the toast of the town at info wars right now. Sure. So Alex is talking about how big his head is. And I think that this dips into a little bit of phrenology accidentally. What there is a deep fascination with head size. Okay, that happens at the beginning of this episode. All right, I'm sorry. I promise to be in a good mood today because I was basically in a controlled rage all yesterday. That is not an act, by the way. Sounds like it is. And I have decided to be more friendly. And I've decided to be nicer. And I've decided to be nice. By the way, Jakari Jackson is in the control room right now. He ran over here. Are you jealous that Dan Badandi has a bigger bald head than you, Jakari? You just said you're gonna be nice. Are you a little bit jealous right now?

I'm not jealous that Dan Badandi has a. Actually, I think my head is bigger than Dan's box. That's ridiculous. Proposterous is his is more bald. His Dan shaves with razors I shave with clippers. You know what? I bet next time he's in town, we will have a contest on air. We will make $500 prize. We will measure circumferences of the cranium. If you you want to give a $500 prize for the biggest head. Yes. Obviously, I'm kind of joking that this is a phrenology related, but it's absurd. Like it keeps going. Alex keeps talking about relative head size. My head's bigger than yours, buddy. What are you talking about? I got a bigger pumpkin than you. Yeah, yeah. Oh, all right, Jakari. That's not why I came over here. I had some some other business.

You're a little bit jealous right now. Look, it's all right. Okay, it's all right. Okay. All right, I understand. All right, by the way, the AP and others are trying to imply that I'm not jealous. I'm basically involved with the bombers now. Well, so we're going to cover it at all. I mean, they had to blend the tea party one way or the other, huh? Pulled it right back. Quite a throwaway headline there. So I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. What were you saying? I think Jakari has the right response to that. I didn't come over here for this. Which just I didn't know. What? You're an abusive boss.

Yeah, I don't think that there's necessarily phrenology related. Right, right, right. But there is an interesting layer of Alex is a big old bigot, which we know generally speaking. Yeah, and he's talking about it being good to have a larger head. Right, right, right, which in that world leads you to phrenology, but are you talking about Jakari? A white man has the biggest head. Of course, white men have bigger heads. This is science, right? It's weird. That is weird. That's what happens when Alex decides to be friendly, you know, and he decides to have a happy time beginning of the show. I do like his version of like I'm I've decided to be nice. Jakari, I'm going to belittle you to your face. You have a small head next. So the birthday gift, I think is that at very least is news has come out that Tamerlin Sarnab, the older brother in the bombing combo was a fan of info wars.

I thought it was that Jakari's head grew two sizes this day. That is not the that is not a gift to me. The I've been waiting for this bit of news to break because I remember this wrinkle from the story from when real life was happening in 2013. And I'm excited that we've gotten to it because I didn't remember exactly, you know, some of the details and how Alex responded to it. So, you know, you have news reports coming out about Tamerlin being a fan of info wars. Alex just throws away that headline there. So we'll get into it a little bit later when he actually touches on the story. But it's like, yes, when I heard that, I'm like, we are fucking moving along. Now's the time for it. So as we've talked about on a previous episode, there's that whole rice and letter situation where the Elvis impersonator got arrested, but he was being set up by a guy at no point conspiracy blog at no point. Can you summarize that for me and I will not find it absolutely wonderful. It's a pretty crazy story. Alex is still insisting that they're just shuffling around Patsy. They're probably going to kill him.

We also have big economic developments. We have big developments in the Ryerson case. I'm on record saying they'd probably go through two or three different Patsy's. That's what they tend to do whenever they've actually launched the anthrax or Ryerson attack themselves and with Ryerson case crumbling FBI targets new man. And then maybe the third or fourth Patsy will be killed in police custody. After confessing, of course, if they follow the standard stuff that they tend to do, I don't, I don't understand the standard. I don't understand any of this stuff that is absolutely not what happened. They're not giving you the deluxe package. They're just giving you the standard one. They're not, you don't need it. No frills. It's like the undercarriage in a warm climate. You just don't need it.

This is a bad prediction. So I don't know. I don't know what else to say. So Alex starts talking about how the man, the media, the globalists, they all want you to think that the idea that this was a fake bombing, you know, false flag, all that good stuff. Yeah, they want you to think that's a conspiracy theory. That is what it is, though. Well, I mean literally. Well, here's the thing. It's not. Really disagree. They want you to think that and Alex has got some reasons you shouldn't. And I think they stink.

Okay. They just hope that they call that a conspiracy theory and you don't read, you know, the New York Times admitting it or the Washington Post. Where they've come out and admitted that the FBI foils its own terror plots, but usually stops them before they go through. In the case of the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, it's on record. AP, New York Times, federal courts, why they had to admit it because their own intelligence officer, Ahmad Salam, said, you're setting us up. You're a real bomb, real detonators. Now you're going to let the bombing go forward. I'm not going to be part of killing people. And they said, well, you're going to go to jail then. So then he freaked out and clandestinely recorded them days before the bombing and after the bombing. Sure.

And then he did a press conference and announced it. And that's why he got paid off 1.4 million to go back to Egypt and shut up instead of being given cement shoes. So Alex is playing pretty fast and loose with the details of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing here. But there's just enough truth in what he's saying that he would likely be able to trick anyone who just like kind of want to feel like believing in more interesting versions of stories. Ahmad Salam was an FBI informant who had penetrated the terrorist cell that had planned to detonate a bomb at the World Trade Center. And later he would go on to testify in the trials that would result in the convictions of Ramzi Youssef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah. Salams, he made recordings that were supplied to the FBI as well as recordings of his own conversations with FBI agents. And according to the tapes, the FBI did have an idea that this group that Salam had infiltrated was planning to make a bomb and commit a bombing, but the specific details of it and the target were not known. Agents were apparently not in agreement about the best way to proceed, with one plan being to supply fake explosive powder for the bomb so that they could arrest everyone when they attempted to carry out the bombing.

I believe that's called the Wiley Coyote Plan. That's ordering from ACME. This was discussed, but the tapes explicitly show that this was not the plan that was chosen. Instead, they wanted Salam to wear a wire and gather more information about the plot. Some very important context for what happened in the lead up to the bombing comes from a 2014 LA Times story, which was one of the first times Salam spoke publicly after about 20 years in hiding. Quote, he says he has carried a good measure of guilt because shortly before the bombing of the World Trade Center, he refused to wear a hidden FBI microphone and dropped out of the undercover work. He told agents wearing a wire was too risky and might bring harm to him or someone in his family. He later regretted the decision saying he could have saved the six lives lost in that attack. I could have stopped it, he said, but I failed. Salam was embedded with these terrorists and provided crucial information about them that led to their arrest, but he didn't entrap them and his involvement in the case no way demonstrates that this was a government plot or a false flag. There are countless complete lies that go around about Salam and conspiracy communities that distort real details in order to suit their purposes.

For instance, a book called The Puzzle of Fascism claims that the FBI paid Salam $1 million to quote, build a bomb. But that million dollar figure is the amount that he was given by the government for his testimony and part of his induction into the witness protection program. Other people claim that the FBI replaced the fake explosive powder Salam was using to build a bomb with real powder, but according to every single piece of verifiable information I can find, this is just fabricated detail. This is mirrored in Info Wars coverage where they said in 2010 article quote, even Wikipedia admits that harmless powder was swapped with real bomb material. FBI informant Ahmad Salam became alarmed at the introduction of real explosives and recorded his conversations with the FBI proving they enabled and allowed the bombing to go forward that killed four people. Footnote Wikipedia admits this because five minutes before I wrote this, I wrote it on Wikipedia. Yeah, that Wikipedia article doesn't admit that. And even if it did, like you said, anyone could easily edit the entry to say that. It's not a good source. Also, if Info Wars can't even get the death toll right, I'm not sure it's wise to trust them on the big picture issues like alleged secretive plots.

You know, it's about focusing on the important details, Dan. Sure. Interestingly, on November 19, 2015, Alex actually had Ahmad Salam on his show for an interview. Really? Yeah. Weirdly, given the opportunity to ask direct questions about how exactly the government orchestrated the World Trade Center bombing, he spent most of his time trying to create fear about Muslim immigrants. If Alex believed that this guy is a first hand expert about false flags and he was involved in one, and the bombing at the World Trade Center wasn't actually carried out primarily by Islamic terrorists, why would he interview him about how he shouldn't let Muslims into the US and Europe? That's a really good question. Seems strange. That is odd.

I can't believe I wasted 40 minutes listening to Alex ask Ahmad Salam about how Obama is being secretly blackmailed by the Muslim Brotherhood. Sure. Instead of actually nailing down his conspiracy theory about the World Trade Center bombing. Well, because it's not true. It almost felt like Alex was worried that if he asked anything too direct, Salam might contradict him, and that would be really fucking uncomfortable. That's a really good worry to have. If you're Alex, that's a real dicey energy for you to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Also, Alex probably doesn't want his audience to actually look into the trials that Salam was involved in because in 1995 Salam's actions jeopardize the entire prosecution of a semi related terrorist cell. He'd infiltrated and irrevocably damaged his credibility from a New York Times article with the headline key witness in bomb plot trial admits lying about his exploits. The prosecution's most important witness in the terrorism trial of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and 10 others admitted yesterday that he had lied for years about his background boasting to federal agents and friends that he was an intelligence officer in the Egyptian army when in reality he'd been a technical officer who never saw combat. The article goes on quote once he said he even lied under oath in a criminal trial in Manhattan claiming he'd been wounded trying to protect President Anwar Sadat of Egypt when he was assassinated in 1981. These were things that were brought up in the trial by the prosecution because they were so worried about how brutal cross examination would be if they didn't defuse Salam's severe credibility. His pattern of lying had the potential to completely destroy the case since he was such a crucial witness. Kind of should have. Yeah, the actual facts that are available do not support the story Alex is telling on this episode about Ahmad Salam.

And I can't really find evidence that Salam has ever told this version of the story himself. Yeah. However, even if he has, I'm not sure it'd be wise to believe him unless he could prove it, which is generally my policy with people who have had to admit that they've lied under oath. That one's usually pretty, pretty signatory of it's a bad sign for someone's reliability, but it's also a weirdly common thing on info wars for their guest. That is strange. That is strange. The habit of lying under a lot of folks lying under oath. Is it like an initiation thing like you have to lie under oath before you can go on info wars.

It's a prerequisite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't do a lot of vetting of their guests, but that one really important. Yeah. It's super strange to me. It's interesting mostly that Alex had the dude on and didn't get into that stuff. Like that seems very strange to me. That's super suspicious.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't like this story because I'm pretty sure I hate everybody involved with it. I hate the terrorists. I hate the FBI. I hate this guy and I hate Alex. That's everybody. I think this guy meant well.

Maybe. Okay. Probably. I believe I'm fine with that. I will say that his interview with Alex is rank xenophobia. Yeah. Like coming from him as well. Oh, okay.

Good. He is. Well, then he's been redeemed in my eyes. Yeah. I don't know what happened to get him to the point where he is in 2015 going on Alex's show to agitate against Muslim immigrants, but he's there. Yeah. That is weird.

So Alex gets in now into this. On our last episode, we saw that he's sort of transitioning towards casting suspicion towards Saudi Arabians. Right. Right. And so he discusses that Sunil Tripathi, who was the kid who had been missing for a month prior to the bombing. Right.

Right. He was found in a river having committed suicide. He discusses that a little bit and then brings up a really messed up story. And remember that Saudi Arabian that was missing that fit one of the descriptions of the people there at the scene? He's been found in the river, which I again said, I think you'll start finding some of these people in the river. The question is, was he the river beforehand?

There was a local. Also, which river? Muslim leaders saying the government was involved in provocaturing terror in Austin and he bound his arms and legs, slit his wrist and his guts open. He clearly been tortured and threw himself off the, off the Congress bridge and the police immediately said it was a suicide. I wonder if they would have tied up Breitbart and then slit his wrist and tortured him and then thrown him in a river.

Maybe put him in a steel cage. So he put himself in a cage and had a crane lower him into the river like Houdini, but he didn't get out. We did an entire episode about Andrew Breitbart's death and that was not a murder. No, it was. It wasn't even a suicide. That was just a super unhealthy man who had a history of heart attacks who loved cocaine and booze.

Yeah, his testicles were unremarkable. That's right. I do remember that part. Only thing I remember. I was like, I was thinking about it. I was like, I remember. He's a huge alcoholic. He's got a giant nose near the end and then Anthony Kumi said he liked a party.

Exactly. He liked to stay up. Yeah, that's all I'll say about that. Yeah. All right. So the Saudi Arabian man that Alex is talking about, like I said, is Sunil Tripathi, the Brown University student who had been missing since March 16th and who dumb, dumb internet sleuths decided to turn into a suspect in the bombing for no reason.

His body was found on April 23rd and had yet absolutely nothing to do with the bombing. His family was deeply traumatized by the experience of having their loved one be missing and then dealing with his death all while being harassed by dumb, dumb internet sleuths who are convinced that he was suspicious just because of his country of origin. Yeah. This news story that Alex is talking about is about this Muslim activist. It involves a man named Riyad Hamad whose body was found in Lady Bird Lake in Austin on April 16th, 2008.

The details that Alex is giving, like his stomach being cut open, I can't find in any official account, but I do know what Alex is lying about. Alex had Dr. Ibrahim Dramali on his show on April 22nd, 2008 to discuss the case. And then Infowars published an article titled, quote, condition of Riyad Hamad's body contrary to suicide. The article discusses Dramali saying that Hamad had been cut down his torso and his brain was missing, which Alex was then reporting as being details that contradicted the police assessment of this being a suicide.

Right. And then he held up a man's brain in his hand. Dr. Ibrahim Dramali was the Imam of the Islamic Center of Greater Austin, who was the one who received Hamad's body after it was released from the medical examiner's office. Dramali said the body was in, quote, barbaric condition and described it as if, quote, an animal might have attacked him. He made a formal complaint to the medical examiner's office about the presentation of the body, including the cuts to the brain cavity and the torso, which he said were

inadequately sutured. The stuff about his torso being cut and all of the related complaints that Dramali made about the shoddy job, they were about the shoddy job of the medical examiner. Right. Not anything to do with the circumstances of Hamad's death. The brain hadn't been removed before he got to the autopsy. Yes. When it was then removed and embalmed and whatever it is.

Yes. At least that's the conclusion you'd have to come to because I've read the autopsy report and it's pretty clear that none of that kind of trauma was present. Empty head. Yeah. Alex is willfully misrepresenting that. I have no qualms saying that. He has every reason to know exactly what Dramali was talking about, especially considering

it kind of turned into a big deal locally in Austin from an article about the circumstances in the Austin Chronicle, quote, Dramali demanded and received a meeting with the medical examiner Dolanik and Austin police chief Art Acevedo. Afterward, Dramali and Dolanik each told the Chronicle that they believe the meeting was useful and should lead to better medical examiner practices. But Dramali said he, quote, cannot accept the apology offered by Dolanik for any misunderstanding or mistakes. Quote, I believe they were sending us a message.

He said, quote, and that what I told the people here at the mosque that they believe they do not have to respect the bodies of Muslims. It's very clear from the article and from the ensuing interaction with the medical examiner and Acevedo that this was an issue that arose from feelings of poorly carried out mortuary work. Yeah, that was a disrespect to the Muslim community. Yeah. And if you're living in the United States, as you do, I totally get the immediate jump

to like these fuckers are fucking with us, you know, but at the same time, it's just probably more likely the guy was hungover. You know, like, From what I understand, he, the medical examiner's explanation for it was like, there's a misunderstanding. Our office doesn't carry out cosmetic work that needs to be done to prepare for burial. Right. Right. We're not a funeral home.

But I'm not sure who's right here. Yeah. And I, I'm not, I'm not particularly interested in that except to say that these are the complaints that Ibrahim Dramali was making. And Alex is misrepresenting it as being evidence that Riyadh Hamad's body was all tortured up. Yeah. In all of that.

Yeah. I doubt Alex is allowing Ibrahim on there to talk about prevent prevalent anti-Muslim bias. Probably not. Alex's behavior surrounding the story is profoundly disrespectful, no matter how Hamad died. As far as actual details go, police reports indicate that Hamad had duct tape on his face and that his hands and legs were bound. This would lead somebody to believe that this was not a suicide, but in reality that assumption is probably too hasty.

If someone were definitely wanting to follow through with their attempt at killing themselves, and they had thought it through, it makes sense they might try to find ways to limit their ability to change their mind at the last moment or limit their body's instinctual reactions towards survival. Also, you have to consider that someone might want to commit suicide, but not want people to think it was suicide because that's very painful for their loved ones. That kind of headspace might try to make things look like a murder. It's not impossible that was the case.

Yeah. While it would be presumptuous of me to say that I can definitely say that this was a case of suicide, I cannot see any evidence that I've been able to find that makes me think that it was a murder at all. Yeah. It makes all the evidence that's available fit the explanation that the police have offered. Right. Todd was the founder of the Palestinian Children's Welfare Fund, a charity that worked to improve

the lives of children working and living in refugee camps in Palestine. I can find no evidence of him talking about the government provocaturing terror as Alex is alleging. That doesn't, I have no idea where that's coming from. Yeah. A couple of months before his death, the FBI and IRS stopped by his apartment and took a ton of files from him about his business and his charity, claiming they had probable cause to investigate him on charges of wire fraud, bank fraud and money laundering.

Charges were never brought in the case because he ended up passing away. Yeah. So I don't really know what the reality is here. Whether or not these were legitimate suspicions is kind of secondary to the fact that this sort of a raid would definitely alter a person's mental state. This was only one of a number of pieces of circumstantial evidence you can find that make it really look like Hamad died by suicide. Yeah.

In the days before his death, he was dealing with that heightened governments, governmental scrutiny, as well as an apparent, apparent increase in racist harassment. As reflected in an email, he said friends where he told of getting late night phone calls from someone who had asked him where his camel was. An article from KXAN, local Austin news said, quote, investigators on Thursday said families and other sources have told them that Hamad was suicidal. This all sounds very tragic in terms of what's relevant for our show, though, Alex appears to be willfully misrepresenting details about this man's death in order to prop up his

flimsy conspiracy theories, which I find to be ghoulish. Yeah. Yeah. Modlin. It's gross. It's very gross. Yeah. So that's a bummer.

Yeah. Why? Why is it okay? I wish they could. I wish. I don't like that. Whenever people politicize somebody's death in a fucking complete out lie and then like with Pat Tillman, like the former football player who fucking gave up his football career

to go fight in the Iraq war, hated every second of what the government was doing and all that shit and was killed in friendly fire. And then the government fucking covered it up and treated him like a paragon of United States colonialist justice. Yeah. And it's fucked up. It's fucked up, Dan. Weird.

So Alex now is talking and he claims he has evidence that the White House did something, but then he gets distracted by how good a mood he's in. Okay. So we never find out what evidence he has about the light. All right. That makes sense. And by the way, we have proof, ladies and gentlemen, that the White House may copy Russian limbaugh here.

I always liked that even as a teenager. I love that. I always wanted to reason. I want to get a talk radio so I could go. I'm serious. Here I am, ladies. I always liked that because it's that thing. I get a little bit more.

See, I can't actually do it first. I'll just do it more than limbaugh. There you go. Is that impressive? I could talk in a limbaugh. Yeah. Aper shaker? Just like.

Okay. Yeah. But they ought to have it. Well, they got rid of stuff like wrestling that's originally in the Greek Roman wrestling. The first thing they did at the Olympic Games. So synchronized swimming and curling. So we can bring back in paper popping, paper crinkling. Look at that.

That's what's made him world famous. Seven-time gold winner, Alex Jones, unseating the former champion wrestling ball. Here he is going for a record paper crinkle. This is compelling. The judges are stuck. No one has ever seen anything like this. No one. Look at that.

Look at the style, the grace, the different angulations, everything he's doing. He's like Orson Welles War of the World. I believe this has. No one. Oh, wait, wait. He's stopping now. The judges. Ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten.

It's unanimous. Alex Jones for his eighth and world record gold medal paper crinkling. All right. I've decided to be in a good mood today. So fucking stupid. So bad. I do. I will.

Like here's the thing. How do you get away with that? Like if Rachel Maddow just spent like two minutes just like there's no boss. There's no boss. That's true and that is like fine. Everybody likes to have fun on the job. You know whatever. I'm not.

I'm not like hey Alex has got to be serious all the time. But one of the things that I put the reason I played that clip is like his information is really bad. Yeah. He's lying about like the factual serious stuff that he's talking about on the show and then the bits aren't good. No. It really the show fails on every front.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not good. The flights of fancy aren't good. The only times that are anything is actually kind of good is when Alex is just like on complete autopilot. Yeah. And just I don't even know if those are good.

That's it. It is nice to know that no matter what time period we're in. Alex one cannot make a good joke and two insures that this bad joke lasts for forever. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty long. Yeah.

So Alex is cursed by knowing too much. Yeah. He is way too smart, way too aware of everything. And then he talks about that a little bit. And in this clip he gets down to this story about how Tamerlin was a fan. But see I am cursed with being informed. It is. Because I have to sit here and be attacked.

But I haven't even gotten to this yet. I mean most talk show hosts would open their show with it. And it's just so bizarre. I don't even know what to say. Now that I had time to think about it because BuzzFeed is always calling here and emailing and asking and asking. And so I said okay I'll talk to him. And they took out a context what I said.

They took it out of context. Sure. So when asked for comment about one of the bombers being a fan of his. They took him out of context. When he said. Yeah. I love it. That would be out of context.

I was curious like how did you how are you taking out a context. Right. Thankfully he explains. Okay. They took out a context what I said. Because they call you know they call up and they go the Associated Press is reporting that he was in Info Wars and Alex Jones you know listener. And I said okay and I pulled up a P and I said okay I'll talk to him because

I wanted to get a statement out and I said look there is a slight chance they could have been listeners because so many people are listeners and instead they edited to sound like I'm an ego maniac. Why everybody's a listener. I find that defense fucking hilarious. Yeah. In the time doing this show one of the most consistent threads of Alex's broadcasting is him bragging about how gigantic his audience is over the years

we've heard numbers in the millions to the hundreds of millions. He brags all the time about how heads of foreign states are daily listeners. In March 2018 Alex sincerely said on his show that his audience was 10 percent of the United States and conservatively 10 percent of the entire world population. Yeah. Yeah. Which is absurd.

I thought he got to. I thought we had one where he claimed that it was two billion. No. I want to say that we got there. I feel like the highest I've I've heard is 10 percent of the world. Seven hundred million and that's that's quite a bit. Maybe too much. I bet two billion is something he said like in terms of like video views or

something. That could be that would be like all of his. Well he got two billion unique views on one video. Everybody knows that. I went and checked out this Buzzfeed story and here's the quote they used quote it's just standard. Anyone you talk to is familiar with my show when I go out into public half the people I meet in this country and in other countries to say they listen to my

show. The show is bigger than the mainstream media admits. Okay. I feel like they weren't really taking him out of context. I'm pretty sure he did sound like an ego maniac. Yeah. Yeah. When he's asked about reports that Tamerlin Sarnev was a fan of

Info Wars is best offenses. Of course he was. Everyone is. That's a great defense. That's a good dodge. So Alex doesn't have to deal with any real questions like why was he a fan? Yeah.

Or what is it about Info Wars that appealed to him? The downside of using this dodge is that you sound like a pompous dick. So now Alex is getting defensive about that and claiming you got taken out of context. The weirdest thing is that this BuzzFeed article says literally nothing to suggest Alex's show isn't as big as he claims it is. Yeah. There's nothing about like he's a liar.

His show is tiny. That is hilarious. It's a very fair article. Well if it doesn't mention how small his audience actually is then it's not very fair at all. I don't know. Yeah. So Alex then rants about how the media is blaming him and all that for the

bombing. It's absurd. The best article put out was by BuzzFeed. Others totally clipped it where it was like Bombers Influence by Alex Jones. They did it for Alex Jones. There's got to be 50 articles out. I don't even have time to look at them all. I mean look at some of these headlines here.

Gawker, Accused Marathon Bomber Influence by Info Wars. Bomber Influence by Info Wars by Alex Jones. Here's another one. Tamerlin believed in basically every conspiracy theory but Alex Jones. The AP headline is Bomber Suspect Influence by Mysterious Radical. And then Info Wars is in here. It's like oh who's the radical? Matt Drudge tweets kind words for Alex Jones.

One hell of a broadcast in such a marginalized media. And then they try to go oh look he's supporting the guy that supports the terrorists. I mean it's just no end to it ladies and gentlemen. And I told you and you all saw it. Every show on CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, you name it. It's going to be a white guy. It's going to be a tea partier.

It's going to be a gun owner. And they said ladies and gentlemen an arrest has been made. Axelrod who said big news tomorrow. White House, you know they're planting the media. They're surrogate. They're sheep dipped minions out of the White House directly into the so-called media. I mean half the pundits now in CNN or former White House. Same thing on MSNBC or maybe more than half.

And what do they come out and say? Oh I made the arrest. You right wingers are going to get it. Oh you'd get it. You did it. And oh right wingers are probably mailing riots into pro-gun people. Yeah right. And then oh the White House has got something suspicious as well.

To act like they didn't do it. To act like they weren't involved. There it is. Alex Jones in Full Wars founder comments on Boston Bomber visiting his website. So that's the new guilt. So it's important to point out that Alex has failed to substantiate any of these things about the media saying aha we made an arrest. You right wingers are going to get it.

I have not found any credence to that. And he keeps saying he's played the clips and I have not heard him play those clips. It was a strange day for the Wall Street Journal but they did have front page headlines. You right wingers are going to get it. And they put an arrow towards their own editorial section. He's also even just embellishing the hell out of what David Axelrod said. It's all just nonsense. So what's going on here is that Alex has completely failed with the whole they're going to blame right wingers narrative.

That was something he'd stressed super hard based on more or less nothing. And now the rest of the world has moved on. The real suspect had been captured and as more information came out no one was really interested in using the bombing to demonize right wingers. But Alex still needs that to be true for his victim hood narratives to float. And luckily reality through him a little bit of a bone. On the afternoon of the 23rd it was reported that Tamerlan Zornev had quote taken an interest in info wars. I've read a bunch of articles about this in Buzzfeed Salon the Atlantic and AP and I don't think it's a fair reading of these articles to say that they're blaming Alex for the bombing or even trying to associate him with them unfairly. But I think it's exactly the sort of impression that Alex would like to make out of them.

Yeah. I also don't feel like these articles get to the crux of the issue. In each of these articles they say that Tamerlan took an interest in info wars and also mentioned he was trying to find a copy of the protocols of the elders of Zion. But they treat these as unrelated pieces of information as someone who's spent as much time as I have listening to info wars. I'm very confident that Tamerlan's interest in info wars and his interest in the protocols are connected. Yeah. Yeah. And conspiracy that Alex yells about for hours a day is so derivative of the protocols of Zion that his shows becomes a natural funnel towards it or facilitator of those same ideas.

He's a pes dispenser. The AP article about this isn't even about Tamerlan's interest in info wars. That's really just a side note more or less a trivial detail. The article is about Tamerlan's shift from being a non religious boxer and music student to a terrorist quote. He began opposing the wars in Afghanistan in Iraq. He turned to websites and literature claiming that the CIA was behind the terrorist attacks of 9 11 and that the Jews controlled the world. An important element of the story is one that perhaps can't really be told by regular news outlets and honestly it might be a minor point but I consider it to be very key. And that is that Alex Jones and info wars are compatible with so many different kinds of extremism and will never ever do anything to de radicalize someone.

If you're someone who thinks that the Jews control the world, you'll hear so many things that resonate with your beliefs and Alex's rhetoric. You can tell yourself that he's smart enough to be subtle so the powerful Jews don't kick him off the air and that's why he's not overt like you would like him to be. If you're someone who's inclined towards Islamic extremism, Alex will provide you with all the anti American government rhetoric you're looking for. And just for good measure, you'll hear constant denials of high profile instances of terrorism saying that they're actually the government attacking itself. If you're a white supremacist, you'll get your fill of white victim hood narratives all day long, accompanied by an insistence that these white identity narratives aren't racist. They're common sense. If you're a militia weirdo, Alex says you covered with all the revisionist American history you need to justify your belief that one day you'll be forced to nobly kill your fellow citizens in order to bring back the glory of the Republic. When I hear a report that a person driven by extremist ideology ended up committing a horrible act, and I hear that they were a fan of Alex's, and I immediately response is, that makes sense.

That doesn't mean that Alex is fully or even partially responsible for what they do, but it's foolish for us not to recognize Alex for what he is, or at least what he was for many years, and that is a radicalization pipeline. Because here's the thing, no matter what you enter into info wars with, regardless of the flavor of your extremism, there will never come a time that Alex tells you to calm down. There won't be a time when Alex says that your ideas are crazy, because in order to do that, he would need to call his own ideas crazy. His business model relies on never moving backward toward less extremism, so when you have someone like Tamerlin who's getting into the ideas that the Jews run the world, he's going to find info wars, and what he hears there is going to make sense to him. So that's really what I think is important about this story, this wrinkle of Tamerlin being a fan of Alex's. It's a recognition of like, yep, that makes sense. Alex, because of the way he does his broadcast, because of the themes in it, because the tradition that he's building upon, it's something that people of all different stripes of bad ideologies can resonate with, and that's important. Yeah, that is really interesting to look back at 2013 when, one, Gawker was still around, and two, people didn't know quite what Alex Jones was yet. A lot of people, or maybe not many people did, obviously some people of course did, but most people were like, because I remember this one, and I was thinking, is this more like a, this guy's a crazy conspiracy theorist angle?

Is that what they're doing instead of being a anti or a Muslim extremist terror attack? It's this guy is actually just like any other weirdo conspiracy theorist that follows Alex Jones. But now we know obviously that Alex Jones is an inspiration for terrorism. Yeah, and I don't know how much you can really say it's conscious on Alex's part, but it's certainly unexamined. Yeah, and that's the part that I think is really particularly dangerous. And it gets to a certain point where, you know, things keep happening, and he keeps refusing to examine. Yeah, and that leads you to suspect that he knows what he's doing. Either he's in denial, or he's fine with it. Yeah, that's the situation. Yeah, neither is good. Yeah. So Alex is going to get back to this topic. Of course he is because it's about him, but he also has some other little narratives to pepper in. And one of them is about Eric Holder, the Attorney General of the United States back in 2013.

So that's the new system in America where, you know, they arrest you, you're walking, they cut your larynx out, and then you're guilty. And then they put that out in the news so you can't get a fair trial. And then everybody chants USA, USA, USA is due process. What the USA is based on is flushed directly down the toilet like the babies at the different abortuaries owned by the Attorney General do. By the way, Kermit, not the frog, but the abortionist, they've dropped most the charges. The judge is inexplicably is dropping most the counts against him. And even the Associated Press, not known for its accuracy or standing up for liberty, had to say, really no reason. Yeah, okay. So first of all, Eric Holder did not own an abortion clinic.

This was a right wing talking point that was going around at this period in 2013. And Alex has been talking it up a little bit. The story that's told varies depending on how angry the teller is at Holder. I've heard variations of it where Holder owns the clinic, he runs the clinic and that the clinic he owns is one where atrocities have been committed. This particular narrative is being trotted out at this point in time because Kermit Gosnell is on trial. And the anti-choice right wing are trying to craft the narrative where the DOJ is giving him a light sentence, which is naturally explained by Holder owning an abortion clinic. Sure, that all makes perfect sense, Dan. None of it's true. The reality is that Holder's wife is a co-owner, kind of, of a building where one of the tenants is a reproductive health clinic.

They have no connection to the clinic itself, they're just sort of the owners of the building. They're landlords. I say sort of owners because Holder's wife is actually just a trustee and a family trust that holds the property. She and Eric are legally unable to profit from renting the property to anyone, and the money accrued from the building will be transferred to her nephew and niece along with the building itself because the other co-owner is her sister. They are co-trustees in this family trust. Okay, cool. I want everybody on the right wing to have their lips on shut because this is bullshit. The building was to be given to these children according to a will drawn up by their father prior to his death in 2004,

but they can't take ownership of it legally until they're 18. So they have this family trust owns this building that houses a reproductive health clinic. They can't profit off of it. It's just because... They're just hanging on to it like a regent until the king comes of age. Yes, this is the story that... And the stuff is all getting mixed up because the tenant, one of the doctors who was working at this reproductive clinic did get in trouble for, I believe, Medicare fraud. Okay. But it's being mixed up with all of these other horror stories surrounding reproductive health.

He killed babies at two years old and blah, blah, blah, blah. Which links to the Gosnell stuff, which is what's trying to be all muddied up together. Right. So as to the question of Kermit Gosnell, he's not someone I would catalog as an abortion doctor. He's someone I would say is a murderer. It's a fair point to say that he was someone who worked in the field of reproductive health, but what he actually did was not appropriate care. This would be like if there was a dentist killing patients at his dental office,

and then we used him to argue that the entire field of dentistry is evil and murderous. Yeah, that'd be crazy. That'd be like if somebody thought that psychologists were trying to sabotage his entire career, so he built a religion about demonizing him. That'd be wild. So Gosnell's clinic had a long track record of citations for various complaints, none as serious as what he would actually end up being charged with, but things that should have been real red flags.

He'd been sued a number of times, and ultimately in 2010, his clinic was raided by the FBI working in conjunction with Pennsylvania State Police. The conditions they found were horrifying. Patients were subjected to completely unsanitary conditions in the clinic. Gosnell was employing unlicensed staff, and his surgical room was described as, quote, resembling a bad gas station bathroom. That's not good. In the course of investigation, detectives uncovered multiple cases of Gosnell killing babies

after being delivered, and at least one woman whose death he appeared to be responsible for due to negligence. Holy shit, this dude's a fucking doctor from Hostel or whatever. You didn't know about this dude? No! Yeah, he's horrible. What the fuck? Yeah, in January 2011, Gosnell was charged with eight counts of murder, but by the time he went to trial in 2013, a ton of other charges had been added.

When Alex is saying that some of the charges had been dropped, it's because the court felt like the evidence surrounding three of the counts of murder were not strong enough to pursue. The question came down to whether these babies were born alive, and in those three cases, the state could not definitively prove that, whereas they could in the other cases. Right, right, right. They weren't trying to give him a reprieve, nor did it really affect the legal position he was in.

It's just a situation where, like, we can't really prove this, but we can prove those. Right, so we're going to indict you on five counts of murder, not eight. So, obviously, people are like, why not eight, huh? You're afraid. Gosnell very clearly was still eligible for the death penalty, even with those three charges dropped. Ultimately, Gosnell made a deal where he agreed not to appeal the court's decision in exchange for not receiving the death penalty. He was sentenced to three life terms and will die in prison.

No one gave him an easy time. Alex is just making shit up in order to smear Eric Holder, but, I mean, he's not even really primarily interested in attacking Holder. It's all just reproductive help. So, Alex has discovered a person in government that he, I think he feels like he probably has a bond with, because she is out there saying that the Boston bombing was a false flag. Okay.

It's very interesting. And a New Hampshire lawmaker says Boston bombing was a government job. And then it's because of me. Now, a lawmaker in New Hampshire, I'm going to try to get her on, the social media roundlings of a woman who read about conspiracy theory on Info Wars, wouldn't usually be newsworthy, but it's the case. The woman is a lawmaker in New Hampshire,

state legislature who thinks the government is responsible for the Boston bombings. Three-term Republican representative, Stella, Karen Blay, I believe you pronounce it, first made her case in a scare quotes, saturating Facebook post on Friday, writing to Glenn Beck, she said, just as you said what happened, top down, bottom up, the Boston Marathon was a black ops terrorist attack.

One suspect killed the other one, maybe two before they even have a chance to speak. Oh, notice they cut out his throat. So that happened. He's walking out of the boat. And then drones are now terrorist attacks by our own government. Sad day, but wake up to all of us. First, there was a suspect, then there wasn't.

Info Wars broke the story and they knew they had been found out. And then the New York Magazine demonizes and attacks that. And again, they're all over the news. The Tamerlin linked in force conspiracy theorist Alex Jones alleged Boston bomber was Alex Jones conspiracy fan on and on and on. This is weird. This is weird. So in here we have in 2013 a case, an early case of an elected official coming down with what I call the Info Wars bug. Right.

Stella Tremblay was a member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives, but I should tell you that she was not for long after this point. That's a surprise. She resigned in June 2013, most likely due to a very considerable backlash to some of her comments, which earned her a rebuke vote from her house colleagues. The public didn't seem to have too much of a problem with her being a pretty clear sovereign citizen. And I guess everyone just kind of put up with her being a very public idiot. According to a story about her in the Huffington Post six months prior to this, her comments about the Boston bombing.

Tremblay, quote, sent an email to the other three hundred ninety nine state House members with a doctored video. She claimed depicted President Barack Obama saying he was not born in the United States. Okay. Okay. Also, quote, in February, Tremblay told a legislative committee that President Woodrow Wilson agreed with Adolf Hitler, even though Wilson died before Hitler rose to power. Okay. The story now.

He probably did though. I mean, in all honesty, Woodrow Wilson would have agreed with Hitler. Slightly. Slightly different argument. And you might phrase that slightly differently. Fair. The story also points out that Tremblay's history advisor has publicly claimed that quote, the U.S. government is under the control of Queen Elizabeth II.

All right. Well, that one's not true. I will admit that her history advisor told her that this is all just all that. You know, it's just good fun. A little disagreement across party lines or something. However, in the aftermath of the Boston bombing, Stella went too far. It's probably, it probably wouldn't have been too big a deal if she just suggested that the event was a false flag or something like that.

People kind of absorb those things and she has a history of saying dumb shit. So it probably would just be another example. Yeah. Yeah. The problem really seemed to be that she was accusing victims of faking injuries. Hmm. Tremblay went on the Pete Santilli show and argued that she, if she had had the sort of injuries she saw in those pictures, she'd be screaming and thus these people who are

they're probably actors. This is what led to the real backlash and the calls for her resignation. She's a crisis actor conspiracy person. So the possibility of Alex getting her on the show and being like, Hey, she's talking about info war stuff. That doesn't bode well for his path down that road. That's so stupid. He saw an example of what it was that he, that he saw an example of the consequences

for calling people crisis actors very publicly. Well, she hasn't been forced to resign yet. Right. But, uh, the larger picture here is that Alex doesn't know how to deal with his influence. On the one hand, he seems proud that this New Hampshire house member is referencing him and her conspiracy ramblings on Facebook. While simultaneously he complains about the media saying that Tamerland was a fan of info wars.

The reality is that they're both into his work. Alex was a terrible influence on both. And, uh, you know, pretty much everybody who falls for his shit. So I don't know. It's very, it's very weird to see this on the same episode. He's really pissed off about people saying Tamerland's his fan and then also being like, look at this lady. Who's my fan who's saying the same stuff and worse.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah. Well, I wonder too about how much of this is like she wrote this on Facebook to Glenn Beck. And I wonder how much of it has to do with that. Like his,

you mean was she writing something to Glenn Beck that Glenn Beck disagreed with? So she's sticking up for Alex or Alex is sticking up for her for taking it to Glenn Beck. I don't know. I'm not entirely sure, but the fact that she wrote to Glenn Beck and Alex is covering it doesn't seem, it doesn't seem unrelated, but it probably is a really minor piece of it. Right.

Anybody who's in an elected position who mentions in fours is probably going to get some coverage. Yeah. Yeah. So when I looked into this episode and I started listening to it, I'm like, this is my birthday episode. Yay. Alex is talking about how Tamerland was a fan of his.

We've got there. I thought that that was going to be like the real main thing that I found in this episode that was going to be interesting. Right. And actually about halfway through Alex has another narrative that actually I think is far more interesting and it has to do with a story that Alex has found about Tamerland. Ladies and gentlemen, the Russian mainstream media is now leaking why the Russians called for an FBI investigation of Tamerland, Tsarnev or Tsarnaz or how do you pronounce it?

They are now coming out. Ladies and gentlemen, document can please. This is in the mainline Russian news and been picked up all across Russia. Tamerland recruited via the Georgetown Foundation, Jamestown, U.S. nonprofit, the board of directors of NGOs previously entered one of the ideologists of U.S. foreign policy, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who calls for using terror states up against Russia, was engaged in recruiting residents of North Caucasus to work in the interest of the United States and Georgia.

And that's why he had an alias that's confirmed. That's why the family said it must be a setup because the family are pretty, you know, some of them are some heavy hitter lawyers and people working for oil companies. And this is huge. So this is a perfect case of Alex doing the worst job he possibly could as a newscaster. Here he's trying to report on a story about why the Russian government warned the United States about Tamerland, Tsarnev, but he can't possibly be bothered to be specific about anything. I tried to search for the article he's talking about, but it's almost impossible.

Like what does he mean by mainline Russian news? What is that? How do I look for that source? The way Alex delivers his stories is intentionally designed to make it more difficult for his listeners to follow up on anything. So it's important when he has a particularly dubious piece of information. It's key for him to be as vague as possible so they end up hitting a ton of dead ends. I heard Alex in that clip say document cam please.

So I knew that if I found the video for this episode, I'd at least get a brief shot of the article. So I hunted down the video and what a shock. Alex has completely misread this headline. The way he reads it is quote Tamerland recruited via the Georgetown Foundation, Jamestown, U.S. nonprofit. Then he connects it to Zbigniew Brzezinski. The actual headline of the article is quote Tamerland Tsarnev recruited via the Georgian Foundation. The rest of the stuff he's reading is just disconnected bits and pieces from the article.

He's taking out a context because they're words that fit into his propaganda. You can see the places where the article is like. Underlined. Yeah. Read exactly these words. Do not read to the period of the sentence. Read until the end of this highlighted section. Yeah.

Gotcha. Obviously, there's a big difference between Georgetown Foundation and Georgian Foundation. What? Georgian is a reference to the Eastern European country, whereas Alex is intentionally misreading that is Georgetown, because that's a university that plays a massive role in his conspiracy worldview. Carol Quigley taught at Georgetown. And of course, Quigley was on the in on the grand overarching conspiracy.

In this instance, I cannot see this as anything other than an intentional misdirection. If it wasn't, why would he? What would he just say that this is a story in the mainstream Russian press instead of specifying his source? If he wasn't intentionally lying, why wouldn't he correct himself after seeing Georgetown instead of Georgian? There's a perception he wants his audience to take in, and that is that the globalists recruited Tamerland, and that perception is basically impossible to create if he reports this story straight. In reality, this was a story published in Izvestia,

which is not a source Alex should trust. From 1917 to 1991, Izvestia was the official paper of record of the Soviet Union, so he should probably have some concerns about their editorial positions and process. I like what? Well, just a few things. Russian papers are notorious for objectivity, especially government controlled ones. And he fucking hates the Soviet Union. Yeah, I mean, hey.

In 2005, the paper was purchased by Gazprom, the energy giant that's majority owned by the Russian government, though it was sold to the national media group in 2008. Even so, allegations of the paper being used to disseminate false information put out by the Russian government have lingered. I'm not certain how prevalent an issue that is, but I would prefer to err on the side of not discounting the story just because it comes from what might be a dubious source. I bring most of this up because Alex should absolutely not trust this paper based on who he is. They were the mouthpiece of the Soviet Union for the better part of a century, and even after the breakup of the Soviet Union,

they still employed Stalin's personal political cartoonist Boris Yefimov until his death in 2008. See, that's the type of shit that rich powerful dudes get. A personal political cartoonist? That's some good being a rich person shit right there. That's what I want. For some context, that cartoonist, his first book, the foreword was written by Trotsky. See, this is what I'm saying. This is the dude right here. I wasn't able to find this actual article, but I did find an article in the interpreter covering the underlying article.

Apparently, Izvestia was alleging that they'd received documents from the Georgian Interior Ministry, claiming that the Caucasian Fund was in league with the Jamestown Foundation, and they were recruiting residents to advance U.S. interests in the country of Georgia, basically attacking Russia from Georgia. The claim that these foundations were actually doing this has not been proven, and on top of that, the added insinuation that Tamerlin attended one of the meetings they held to recruit people is based on no information past the fact that Tamerlin was in the region at that time. Even RT's eventual coverage of this story says, quote,

Georgia's Ministry of Internal Affairs said it had no knowledge of whether Sarniv had attended the seminars, quote, we don't have such information. We haven't heard anything of the kind. We don't know. Nino Giordbiani, head of the Georgian Ministry of Internal Affairs Press Service, told RAI Novosti. The Russian state media is like info wars, but sometimes they issue corrections. That's not even a correction. That's just coverage of the underlying Izvestia. An issue that needs to be pointed out here is the Russian state would have a very vested interest in trying to disrupt Western relations with Georgia at this point in time. There was a process in motion for Georgia to join NATO, which would have made it the furthest East country to do so at the time,

which Russia would naturally see as a threat and an incursion. Accusing the west of recruiting people to attack Georgia, attack Russia from Georgia, one of whom ends up becoming a domestic terrorist in the United States, seems like a good method to sow some trouble in the NATO accession plan. Yeah, that would do it. That's just kind of speculation on my part, and I can't really stand behind that as being what's up here. All I can say is that evidence offered is pretty thin, and I'm generally pretty skeptical of vague information that comes out of Russia

about these sorts of regional issues involving states that are leaning towards the West. I think that you need to really nail down specifics if you're going to traffic in that. But even leaving all of that aside, the story that Alex is telling doesn't make sense. This report from the Georgian Ministry, Interior Ministry, allegedly, it's claiming that Tamerlin was recruited in the summer of 2012, and that's why Alex is saying this is why the Russian government warned the United States about him. Well, that's when you would, that was the summer of rage, so I would recruit a lot of people then. Unfortunately, Russia warned the United States about Tamerlin in early 2011,

well before this alleged recruitment meeting discussed in Izvestia. Therefore, Alex's narrative cannot be true. Based on this piece of information that he's bringing to the table and saying this is why the Russian government warned, it just can't be true. The timeline doesn't work out. That sucks. Alex has just found an unsubstantiated report out of the Russian media that contains enough buzzwords to connect Tamerlin with Georgetown and Zbigniew Brzezinski, so he's running with it. This is sloppy work and it ultimately means nothing.

And Georgian, Georgetown, and you just, you just don't do anything about it like either you can't read or you're just a flat out liar, and that's, both of those are really bad. Later in the episode, he reads the headline and he does read it correctly, but he sort of varies back and forth. Okay. And it resonates a little bit, which kind of leads you to believe that it's just bad reading. Yeah. Or a really brilliant blurring of the lines while still giving yourself some space to be like,

no, no, no, I said it correctly. It's hard. I just misspoke the other times. It's hard to say exactly, but at the same time, the narrative that he's putting forth more closely matches him thinking it's Georgetown than Georgian. Yeah. He chooses, he chooses tough. I'm inclined to believe that it's intentional.

Yeah. Miss reading, but I'm not entirely sure. So in his next clip, Alex claims that he's spoken to Tameriland's family and I don't believe this is true. I mean, you don't even know. They may have these guys, this guy's wife and kids saying we're going to kill them. You don't know. I know this. The aunt who's a toughest nails lawyer in Canada is a listener.

We confirmed that. She said, I'm ready to go public. I called her back and she's crying. She goes, they will crush me like a bug if they're listening. I can't talk. I love my family. I thought the West was free. Oh, it's terrible.

It's terrible. Obviously is my summation. They called up and said, listen, bitch, we're going to kill your kids. If you don't shut up, you got that straight. And by the way, she was on record saying they were threatening her and I'm sorry to use that word. That's how they talk to you because I've gotten the phone calls. I don't believe this for a couple of reasons because it's Alex mostly. Yeah.

That's a good start. The other thing is like, hey, if this is true, you probably just put her in serious danger. Yeah. That's one of the reasons I don't believe that it's true because I think even Alex would recognize I might get this woman killed if I am talking like this on air. Yeah. And I just don't. I don't believe any of this.

I don't. I just don't. Whenever there's such such a weird line that Alex has between like what he'll repeat and what he pretends is like that's off the record. Yeah. I must keep that sacred. I can't imagine. And you'll reveal that Donald Trump Jr. is his source.

So yeah. Or Cernovich's source. Yeah. I don't. I don't. I listen to this and I just don't. I don't believe it. The most I will give him is in my head.

Here's how this plays out. He gives her a call and she's like, sure, I'll give you an interview. And he's like, OK, I'll call back that falls through with more information. And then she does a cursory Google search of info wars. And it's like, I am not going to be giving you an interview or you're a fucking lying piece of shit or even just ball drops. Yeah. Like even no decision is made.

It never happened. Yeah. Too busy talking to other sources or whatever. Definitely not the government calling. I think that there's also a decent chance that Alex just saw some comments. The family had made in other media sources and realizes there's no downside to me just making stuff up. Yeah.

Yeah. That's true. I think it's entirely possible that it's just whole cloth made up. That's possible. So this next clip Alex is talking about how the science fiction in the world is all true. And it's the globalist plan. As we know, he just saw oblivion.

Right. He's completely blown. Really, really fucked him up on that. So that is part of what he's talking about. Like that's all the globalist plan. Yeah. But he name drops another movie in this that I'm like, wow, that's in play. Oh, that's crazy.

He wrote moon raker in the fifties. That's the plan. Ian Fleming moon raker is the plan oblivion is the plan. Zardos is the plan. It's our plan. What? Pray to God. They don't get this through because if Cobra, the snake, the devil, the

black pyramid gets control, it's all over for you. So that's why it doesn't matter if they kill me. Does it matter? Because my family has no future if we don't beat them. Zardos is the plan. I'm not going to be able to get the image of Alex Jones wearing that costume out of my head. Yeah.

That's the grossest thing I can think of. That's disgusting. No one photoshopped that. So this comes after like a really long stretch of him doing a cobra impression. Yeah. Cobra commander from GI Joe. Yeah.

He's yelling about how like the guy, like the globalists are Cobra and he's like, ah, the media is going to take this and say that I believe in GI Joe. No, it's the same. All the same. The media is going to take this and say I believe in GI Joe, which is fucking crazy. I believe in Zardos idiots.

Yeah. It's it's very unhinged and he's just filling time and he knows that's one of the only decent impressions he does. Yeah. And so he does it a lot. So he's not going to try and pull out a Sean Connery after the Zardos bomb. He does not. So he's got this story from his vestia this this story about this alleged

recruitment thing that Tamerlin was in the region at the same time as so therefore Alex has decided he did go to this and it's interesting because the next time he brings it up on the episode he's completely changed the story even from the beginning of how he was presenting the top story up on info wars dot com is that the CIA had recruited in Georgia for operations the older Tamerlin brother. So that story is red linked the older Tamerlin brother. Yeah.

So Alex has now changed the story to the CIA recruited. Yeah. So we have the Jamestown Foundation and the Georgian fund which is in the article. Right. Allegedly and now Alex has changed that too. That's yeah. Okay.

Dan can I ask you that question but he's already pivoted because he knows he's made it vague enough that nobody is going to be able to find this underlying story and so they're just going to take his word on it because he's a fucking expert. He knows everything. So now I'm supposed to believe that Zabignu Brzezinski is working with the CIA. The the thing is you could believe that when he was the secretary of

state. Yeah. But the thing is Zabignu Brzezinski isn't even really referenced in the article itself. It's just that the Jamestown Foundation. Right. He used to be on the board of it. Right.

Formerly. Right. So the yeah whatever yeah Alex has just created this as a new wrinkle that he's adding on to the story. Right. He has no reason to report that. What an asshole. Right.

The story is flimsy enough on its own that now you add this. Yeah. It's just now you're just creating a fiction. Yeah. Who isn't involved with this now. Everyone is involved. The FBI is involved college foundations Zabignu Brzezinski. This goes all the way to the middle Dan.

So it but look dude it's like obviously you could have your position and if you have your position it's different than Alex's. It's because you're dumb. And that is because Alex is backed up by seasoned experts. Oh well that tracks. And by the way it's seasoned people who've run black ops like Steve Pachennik saying it's an inside job. It's seasoned people like Joel Scowleson concurring with my analysis.

Okay. You think it's fun to go up against these people. I mean even if you don't believe it's an inside job and there's no history of that. Let's say take my rights and you're a fool. Even if you're a fool. Do you know the government goes after people that stand up to them because they're bullies.

Yes. So you think I enjoy doing this. They call me a maniac. They call me a madman. They call me spooky. They call me dangerous. They call me a fascist. Folks I'm really just a Texan.

I'm just Texan. Those are all qualities that I do tend to associate with Texas. I do love that. Like they call me spooky. But that's the second time that spooky has come up. Yeah. I don't know. It must have been some headline about.

So it must be some story. I don't know what it's like some local Austin paper. Yeah. Alex Jones is a ghost. Something. Yeah. So Alex is you know he is seasoned experts like Steve Pachennik and Joel Scowleson agree with him.

And if you dare disagree, you're disagreeing with them and I will say I am very willing to disagree with them. So it's not changed my perspective. You know they are seasoned to taste. They are not necessarily seasoned well. So Alex doesn't have either of them on the show on the 24th, but he does have Dan Badandi come on. Great.

This is one of the sadder interviews I've ever heard in my life because we learned some things about what's happening in Dan Badandi's life as a result. Oh no. What's happened with info wars. Dan Badandi. He wrote a mini out there info wars.com reporter. Great job my friend.

He's even got family because he's right there by Boston. I'm not going to say their names turning their back on him over this because they can't handle the peer pressure. They can't handle the fact you know to see their family member having courage. They should be toasting him. They should be carrying him on their shoulders, but instead they spit on him.

And here he is ladies and gentlemen in a world of cowards being a man of courage is a revolutionary act and Dan Badandi joins us Dan. So he has Badandi on and it comes up a couple times like his life is falling apart. He has family members who don't want to deal with him because of this behavior. Right. He said that his girlfriend doesn't like the fan his girlfriend's

family doesn't allow him at their house anymore. That's a good call. Like these are natural consequences of like bringing this kind of negative attention into your life and you see this and you hear Alex basically like they just they're just cowards right. This is that same isolation that you see him doing with his callers. We saw it with a 14 year old boy. Yeah on the last 2013 episode you see this like hey Alex all this

negative stuff is happening because I believe you and I'm taking the appropriate actions based on what you say. I feel like these are negatives. No they're positives. Yeah. All those people are weak. They just don't know the truth. They can't handle it.

They should be giving you a parade. Yeah. Fucking cowards. The only truth is here. This is a fucking cult shit. Yeah. That's really terrible because his example is you believe all of this shit and then you make millions of dollars lying to people

about it. Like that's the path he went. Yeah. Exactly. So of course he's not going to say anything other than this is the way to go. It's worked perfectly for me. Yeah.

I have faced zero consequences. Yeah. Only imagined ones. Yeah. And consequences that like people saying that I'm tied to the bomber which I'm able to turn into positive. Right. Right.

Yeah. And it's it's a real bomber because like I fucking hate Dan Badandi but at the same time even if you have this villain guy. Yeah. You can still clearly see the manipulation that Alex is doing to him and when he comes on Alex's show and talks about these like personal consequences that he's having you can't help but feel a little bit for it.

Yeah. And at the same time I think more of my empathy goes to like his girlfriend or his family who have to make that difficult decision of like hey we have a boundary and you've crossed it. Right. And just the human aspect of this is always very difficult when it when it comes up. So I'm not going to play too much Dan Badandi.

Yeah. I can't imagine that his girlfriend's family is super stoked that they have to keep her boyfriend out of their house. Like that's and he's a former pro wrestler. Yeah. That's a real bummer. Yeah. Of just being like OK.

It's a dynamic you never really want to have like you're dating somebody and your family doesn't get along with them. Yeah. That's shitty. Yeah. And when it's because he's an infowars reporter who disrupts Boston bombing press conferences. Yeah.

It takes on an elevated level of like hey. Hey. Yeah. That's that's not look who's coming to dinner. No kind of situation here. Yeah. So like I said we're not going to listen to much of Badandi but he does do something that I have to pay attention to.

And so here we go. You have an instinct to not be a slave. And it's that instinct Dan that has done everything good in the world. Oh no. Thomas Jefferson instinct that has created civilization is not bending over to bullies. Absolutely.

And I rather die on my feet than live on my knees. There it is. Washington said George Washington. All right. So that's a real famous quote. The it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees from George Washington. It's a real rallying cry that's meant to give you feel like

you should give your life rather than submit to tyranny that George Washington 100 percent. It is not a George Washington. Now you 100 percent said the best thing that Alex or Badandi could do to make this American in origin is to say that it's an FDR quote since he did say it on in a June 19th. 1941 speech quote. We too born to freedom and believing in freedom are willing

to fight to maintain freedom. We and all others who believe as deeply as we do would rather die on our feet than live on our knees. However, FDR was actually making a reference to the source of the original quote, which is probably why he said we and all others who believe as deeply as we do. The original source of this quote is Mexican Revolutionary Emiliano Zapata.

Alex does not like Zapata. Mostly because he was involved in peasant revolts and carried out direct action towards land reform. It's such a bizarre phenomenon among these right wing idiots. They fetishize and lionize the founding fathers of our country and yet so much they think they know about them is not true. They imagine what their political positions really were and attribute all sorts of completely false quotes to them.

But the trend that I'm starting to see looks a little more sinister than idiocy. These people are robbing non-white communities of their history. Alex has repeatedly tried to pass off a Frederick Douglass quote as being a Thomas Jefferson quote. And here Dan Badandi is taking a Zapata quote and attributing it to Washington.

They love the words, but they want a white person to be saying them. And I'm not saying that Alex or Badandi is consciously even doing that. I think it's entirely possible that they just get all their information from places where the prevailing thought leaders are whitewashing everything. So people like Alex and Badandi may have no idea they're

parroting back a completely incoherent and false version of history that they claim to love so much. Yeah, it's most likely that one. Yeah, I mean there's an ecosystem that probably repurposes really great things that are part of non-white communities history and puts them on people like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. And so many of them are quotes about defeating the very

tyranny that they themselves represent. You know, like Zapata isn't saying that because he wants whatever it is government Alex Jones thinks is a good idea. In fact, it is almost always the polar opposite. So they take the people who are on the right side of history, turn them white and use it for the wrong side of history. Like the Frederick Douglass thing is him talking specifically about the Confederacy and the institution of slavery.

And Alex attributes that to Thomas Jefferson, though Alex's family members who were alive back then specifically fought against Frederick Douglass. It's just, it's nonsensical, but it makes total sense. All of the good parts of American history are actually done by white people who oppressed the reason that those happen. So in this next clip, Alex teases a guest that's coming up and there's actually a little bit of drama about this.

And this cop sent me an email. At the end of the show, I'm going to read this. He's giving us an update. He says breaking new news from his elite friend. So that is coming up and I know who his source is. It is someone who's attended Bilderberg. So I don't know if actually Alex even gets to that thing from the alleged cop.

I don't know if he does. If he does, it's very subtly worked in and I didn't notice it. Okay. But Lindsay Williams is coming up. If you'll recall, Lindsay Williams is the guy who claims that he was a chaplain on an oil derrick or something like that. And through that ended up meeting some elite globalists who he ended up living with for a few years.

And now one of them tells him all this secret information that ends up not being correct. So he's running that scam. He's got that forest gum thing going, but he's, he's adding a little chaplain into it. Yeah. So he's coming up later on the show, which I was like, that's not good because Alex's audience is like,

I don't know exactly the timeline of it, but if I understand correctly by this point, they've largely turned against Lindsay Williams because he is so clearly a shill. Yeah. Not for like the government, but he's just trying to, he's running a hustle. Yeah.

Like even Alex's audiences see through it. Like this guy's story makes no sense. Right. These predictions are shit. He's just trying to sell shit. Like I've seen it on Alex's message boards, like a real anti Lindsay Williams thing. Yeah.

So I was like, oh man, he's still coming on. That's nuts. So he's coming later. Alex goes to calls and one of these callers has seen oblivion. Okay. All right. Let's fucking I'm laser focused now. Let's do this.

Alex is still deeply obsessed with oblivion. I have not seen oblivion. So I want to rewrite this movie through what these idiots say about it. All right. So this guy loved it. Okay. I saw the awesome oblivion last night and that was an amazing

film. So I don't like Tom Cruise and it made me like him. And again, it's because did you get all the messages? It's it's pro male. It's all wholesome. It's about family and generations. It's about kinship. It's about love and it's about sacrifice death.

I mean, it's just and it's about compartmentalization. I mean, was it heavy? Like I said, it was. It's something you don't see anymore. It's about clones. It's about water. So yeah, they just like have this session of like two dudes really love a movie.

Just really loving a movie. That's great. And then Alex, of course, he has to brag about how his magazine had the bad guy. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I'm only playing this because like you can hear the giddiness and Alex's voice.

Listen to this. Hey, what do you think of the cover of the October issue being the bad guy from oblivion, which, which they will not let that image out. I've discovered they're really shutting it down when it gets out on the web. Oh, what do you think of the bad guy in the movie? What do the eye at the end?

Yeah, the big black upside down pyramid with a red eye. Yeah. The old seeing eye. Yeah. I mean, the bad guy is the Illuminati. Yeah. Yeah. He's so excited.

And again, I have to stress the cover of his magazine was just a Photoshop of how from 2001, a space Odyssey on a pyramid. This is he doesn't get as much credit as he thinks he does here. There's there has to be something that could have been like there's got to be somewhere along his life where he could have had this very childlike glee at seeing something exciting and fun and meaningful to him and turn that into something other than turning into a fucking monster that harasses people and then

only occasionally pulls out this childlike glee. Unfortunately, the thing that gave him that glee was none dare call it conspiracy. There is that's probably his dad's weirdo JBS John Birch Society friends. So anyway, lest you think that Alex just saw oblivion once, you'd be wrong. I would be.

I knew he thought I knew he saw it more than once. He went back again. Of course. It is like a time. I'm going to be honest. We had rush tickets and a bunch of stuff and probably could have got backstage and stuff, but I didn't go to rush last night because I went back to see with my wife and English.

You wanted to see it. I came home and saw the kids, but I went back just to try to like see it again when I wasn't tired and it's just the whole thing. It's definitely anti-luminati. It is not. It is not a revelation of the method externalization of the hierarchy.

Do you agree with that analysis? Yeah, totally totally totally man. I would have gone and seen rush. I do. I refuse to believe that he did this. This story has to be a lie. This story has to be alive. It's possible.

I don't. I'm not a huge rush guy. I'm a particularly big fan. Yeah, but I'm going to fucking rush. Are you shitting me? Rush is really great. I like live. They've got to be incredible.

Yeah. They're very gifted to musicians and I do believe that Alex possibly could have gotten backstage because from what I understand Neil Pert is a bit of a libertarian and he's the fucking best drummer. He's amazing. Yeah. He's incredible.

And I love twenty one twelve. Yeah. Great album. He liberates those fucking drums from boredom. He does. I've seen you. I don't know how much I love the. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Yeah. So good. So good. So Alex has another little bit of a story that he covers and that is that the AP was hacked, except it wasn't really. Okay. Anyway, this leads into more talk about movies. They're oblivion to everything in our society, but I believe

they're doing that to get Cispa through the Senate because you can tell when they do a hack and it is in its ineffectual and it doesn't really hurt them. You know, I mean, there were hacks saying this CIA group is involved kidnapping kids and doing snuff films. You'd know it's real. But if it's a hack, you know, something silly or something that, you know, makes it look like the president's under

threat, that's them. Because see that fits into Olympus is falling. That I haven't seen. I have no desire to see that film. Programming. Programming. Man, how does he feel about how the blank has fallen turned into a franchise somehow?

I don't know. So these dudes are talking about this story super dishonestly. There's kind of the perception that the Associated Press itself got hacked when in reality it was just their Twitter account got hacked, which is much easier to happen. And someone who was hacking around ended up posting that the White House, there'd been explosions and the president was injured.

Sure. So a group called the Syrian Electronic Army took credit for the hack and it would probably be worth noting that they are a pro Assad organization and at this point 2013 Obama and Assad were not on particularly good terms. This was not a globalist false flag, but it's good to know that Olympus has fallen to his evil predictive programming. Man, I can cross that off my list.

How many more movies are we going to drop on this? So many. So many movies. So many. This next clip, Jordan, I think is fascinating because a caller calls in and this guy wants to talk about the same sort of theories that New Hampshire House of Representative Stella Tremblay has.

Sure. About the victims of the Boston bombing being actors. Right. Now at this point, Alex has had Steve Pachanik on the show to commit open treason. Right. And Steve Pachanik is very much a crisis actor guy. Oh, yeah.

Alex has made waffly overtures towards the idea that there were definitely actors in the Aurora shooting, sort of dipped his toe a little bit into Sandy Hook, saying that some of these people who are survivors and family members are acting weird could be like actors. Yeah. So I heard this caller and I'm like, I wonder what Alex is going to do.

And his response really shocked me. I'd like to address a popular photo circulating and possible use of actors involved at the actual bomb site. The one I'm talking about in particular, the media is really showing this a lot of the guy with supposedly just lost two of his legs being helped by a guy in a cowboy hat. And he's on a wheelchair. There's actually a series of photos on this guy, but if someone

who's done sort of like a closer kind of looked at the closeup shots of the bomb site itself and it shows a hooded man in sunglasses, what looks like he's like dropping the guy on the ground and then like all these sort of other suspicious looking photos where, I mean, there's like, there's no actual blood squirting from this guy's like, you know, two legs. Well, that's because they would have put a tourniquet on it. Let me just stop something here.

They clearly had actors on 9-11 go and put out the official story over and over and over again, that it was Jet Fuel that did it pancake and then it fell into its own footprint. They clearly announced building 7 had fallen before it fell. They false started on that. But the event was real. Sandy Hook, Aurora was real. They clearly have had, because we proved this and I didn't even

go with it, because I said the media will attack us. We found two of the people are actually pretty successful actors and admit their actors and even use their real names. But I thought, well, maybe real actors could just actually be in the movie theater. But the guy goes, here's my ticket. I was really there and then he tells the official story. And the other guy does it.

So it looks like, yes, and the government loves you. Brought to you by Doritos. Brought to you by Pepsi. I mean, it's like product placement, propaganda placement. So that goes on. Brought to you by the movie Oblivion. They would say no one was killed at Sandy Hook. No, no, no.

They liked killing kids. That was a holiday for the folks that did it. And you had people in the same camo pants and black shirt caught by the local police who they were then ordered to release. And they said, oh, that's a conspiracy theory, even though the video and the arrest is actually on record. So, yeah, there's the signs of them involved, but they're going to kill real people.

They enjoy that. I mean, it's not just like they don't care. They're in this job. The favorite thing is to kill little kids. So that's my bottom line there. Thank you, Derek. I mean, could they have actors with fake legs blown off? I've seen people with a leg chopped off before and it's turning.

It got around it and they were in shock and turned white and just laid back. I mean, you can. You can have your legs blown off and they're not sliced off clean. They'll stop bleeding on their own sometimes, but I don't want to get into other people. Whatever. It's just they want the media wants to go with that. They don't want to look at Cameron now coming out was in the CIA and had aliases.

That's that's mainstream news confirmed. No, it's not pick a fucking lane, man. So this is super interesting to me because if you really look at what he's doing, he's trying to have it both ways. Yeah, absolutely because he's trying to shut down this talk of actors, but at the same time saying that these people who come out and talk to the media are actors trying to give you the official story on it. So what he's doing, particularly about the Aurora shooting is insisting

that one of these people who claims to have been in the theater and survived the shooting is an actor who the globalists have put there to put out the official story. Yeah, that is invalidating and taking away this guy's agency and accusing him of being in on a false flag attack that killed a bunch of people. Yep. So it is the same behavior. The only line he's drawing really is where and when the actors get put into action. Somewhat, but I think the more important distinction is he's pushing back on the idea

that people are presenting that no one died. That's the only thing that he seems to really have a relevant difference with with the people who are presenting the crisis actor narrative. Yeah. It's a matter of scale, really. As Alex is saying that some of these people who have survived these things are actors who are paid by the globalists to put out the propaganda, right? These other people are saying all of them are actors.

That's it. That's the difference. Okay. So I kind of got what what he was saying is that the actors who were there are hired, right? What they're so the same or what you mean. So so if I understand his idea, his conception of their plan, Alex is yes. Yeah, they are orchestrating this mass shooting.

They have hired a couple of actors, put them in there. I would say that or hired them after the shooting. Which way do you think it goes? My sense of it is after or yeah, I don't know. He's not really clear. See, that's that's kind of where I'm I'm confused as to because if they were there and it is a real shooting that seems too risky. It seems like you wouldn't be able to make sure that the person isn't hit by a stray bullet

like in the theater or something. Yeah. Yeah, I would have to say that it's someone who is paid after or they would have to have so much awareness of it to know where to be in the building. Yeah, that it would. I don't yeah. I don't know. It's very muddy.

It's unclear. I don't know. That is that's an interesting question. So the entire thing after so the entire thing is orchestrated by the globalists as a I guess as a as a as a mass shooting. Yes. Then the globalists hire actors. Yes.

In order to tell the media that the what they think happened didn't really happen. And what the globalists say happened is what happened. Yes. I think yeah to give it give the official yeah globalist narrative. But I do think that it have to be there in order for there to be the credibility of it. Yeah. I mean like otherwise it doesn't make any sense. Yeah.

Because if pressed on it to prove that you were there. Right. I mean I guess Alex is saying that this guy produces a ticket stub and everyone's supposed to believe that. Yeah. That could be fake. Yeah. You could fake that easily.

So in that case I think he's trying to imply that that person wasn't actually there. Right. I don't know. And if you want to give the official story then you have fucking cops. It's man. You don't need to hire actors. You've got cops to say what happened. It's really bizarre.

I don't know. But I think that I think that the most important thing because I don't think where we're going to get to the bottom of that because Alex is too. I don't think this makes any. Yeah. I think the most important thing is Alex is already there in terms of saying that this is all like people are right right right right. But he's just not committed to the larger picture of everyone being actors or it being

widespread that there's actors. Yeah. He's definitely saying that it's worthwhile to suspect some of the people. Yeah. Being actors. So I almost feel like our investigation is. I mean it's just. I think it's complete.

Yeah. I don't know if it's complete but it's it's already happened. There's just a matter of him getting to the point where he is full. The narrative is full. Right. It's already started. Right. Right.

No. What he started a long time ago but it's his material difference. His material difference from the people who say no one died at Sandy Hook is that he thinks some people died at Sandy Hook. Yeah. And that's it. Otherwise there are crisis actors because they have to be hired in order to give the Yeah.

In order to give the statement. Yeah. The whole thing is a false flag and it's just it's just he thinks that they like killing people and other people are like they didn't they wouldn't kill anybody. And if they like if Alex is saying that this guy who survived the Aurora shooting is lying in order to put forth the globalist narrative. It's not a far leap from that to the Sandy Hook families also are doing the same thing. Right.

Of course they have to. So it because the behavior is the same there in the media giving the globalist talking points about this tragedy. Yeah. And so was the guy who survived the Aurora shooting. Right. It's it's the same accusation. It's just a matter of putting it where it's inevitably going to be.

Yeah. And furthermore it means that they the the globalists didn't just like engineer a mass shooting but they engineered exactly how it would go down and then hired people to say or yeah something like that something. Yeah. So Alex gets back to the Tamerlin Russian story and I think this is really important. Some big breaking news that is just epic. The big brother on record documents released in Georgia training under a CIA program which

we already knew. It's like never ending. That clip I think is so crucial since it perfectly illustrates the way Alex jumps to conclusions. The actual news is a possibly unreliable Russian media outlet is claimed that they have documents from a Georgian Interior Ministry that shows that Georgian Foundation and the Jamestown Foundation were recruiting people to meddle with Russia. They don't say anything about the CIA and they don't prove or even specifically assert that Tamerlin was definitely one of these meetings.

The Russian media outlet did not release these documents and for all we know they may or may not even exist. But you hear how Alex reports the story. He says that Tamerlin quote on record documents released in Georgia training under a CIA program. None of that even relates to the source he's working from. That's Alex making things up and it's so important to understand the little things and why he does what he does.

He's talking like this to make his conclusions which are just his imagination sound definitive and authoritative. It's on record so it's definitely true. The documents are released which creates the perception that Alex has seen these documents thus the certainty of his reporting. None of this is proven but Alex intentionally does his show in such a way as to make his audience think that he's definitively proven all of these points. It's something he does literally all the time.

It's how you take baseless conjecture and presented as hard researched fact. It's how you act like a dumb conspiracy theorist and pass yourself off as an expert. It's as easy as manufacturing evidence and misleading your audience about it. That's all he's doing here. It's particularly distasteful. The documents have been released. They present them. Produce those documents.

Okay. Well, I put them in my safe because they're way too important. I will just go get them, jump up, legs spin. We see that narrative transition. We see it start with this Russian Isvestia story and Alex has now changed it to the Tamerlin on record documents released using a CIA program in Georgia. In the same way Alex takes the story of Tamerlin being a fan of info wars and changes that story as well.

And we see that in this next clip. We're usually recording CNN, Fox and a bunch of others when there's breaking news. And I believe we were taping. I was almost late getting back in here in studio. It's 208 central time on this Wednesday edition. I was almost late. The, the foggy guy overseas that says Tamerlin and his brother, the two brothers were Alex Jones listeners.

And it's all because of Alex Jones, the shadowy influence. They're now admitting no one can find him and there's no proof. Is Misha at Lainley, Virginia? Is that where Misha is? So as soon as the suspects in the marathon bombing had been neutralized as an immediate threat, the attention primarily turned to questions of why did they do what they did. In interviews with Johar, it became clear that Tamerlin had some religious extremism

to him. So investigators wanted to discern where that had come from. Tamerlin's father Ruslan told CNN of a man named Misha, who is said to have been Tamerlin's teacher, who had brainwashed him into an extreme version of Islam. Christian Carroll, a writer for the New York review of books, tracked Misha down and reported on their conversation. Misha's real name was Mikhail Alec, Alec Durov. And he claimed that he thought that though he knew Tamerlin, if he'd actually

been his teacher as it was being alleged, he would have stopped him from carrying out the bombing and absolutely did not support his actions. Misha agreed to cooperate with the FBI and officials came out and announced that they could find no link between him and the bombing. In the end, Misha was a bit of a red herring, though the attention on him kind of makes sense given the media tone and all the confusion surrounding this. Tamerlin's father had indicated that Misha was responsible for radicalizing his son, but he only knew him by this pseudonym.

And that's just red meat for the media. A shadowy, mysterious figure is perfect for creating intrigue. So I don't know how they could have resisted reporting on this a ton. Alex is suggesting that Misha is in Langley because that's shorthand for the CIA. He's starting to pretend that Misha is a CIA operative, which is why Misha would say that the Tsarnev brothers were fans of Info Wars. Wait, is Langley CIA or FBI? Okay.

There's no evidence that Misha was CIA. A few days after this point we're at, he was found living in an apartment in West Warwick, Rhode Island with his elderly parents. Alex has created the narrative that Tamerlin was working with the CIA thanks to this shoddy story from his vestia. So now anyone associated with him must also be CIA. This is bad work. But the larger structural problem with this narrative is that Misha wasn't the one

who said Tamerlin was into Info Wars. That information came from Al-Nizra Khushigav, who was Tamerlin's sister's ex-husband. That bit of information about Tamerlin's media diet is completely separate from the thread about his possible connection with Misha, but Alex wants to muddy the water. And the reason he wants to do that is because at this point, on the 24th, the ex-brother-in-law is a known quantity. He's someone that definitely exists in a tangible way, but Misha does not. As of April 24th, Misha only really exists as someone who's been talked about,

but hasn't been found, so Alex can make up anything he wants about them. This is a mini version of his larger content about the bombings. Alex thrives on manufacturing certainty in places where reality reflects vagueness. Because Misha is an unknown quantity that's being reported as a mysterious figure by the media, it's in Alex's best interest to attach the idea that Tamerlin was into infowars to him. Because of the uncertainty surrounding Misha, Alex can claim with no evidence that he's CIA, and that means that the claim that Tamerlin liked infowars is probably coming from the CIA because they were behind the

bombings, which is all meant to demonize the Patriots after all. Right, right, right, right. So even, so they have to do it at a one-step removed kind of situation in Alex's mind, yeah. Alex's content works backwards most of the time. There's a conclusion that he needs to arrive at, and he molds reality to support that conclusion. In the case of his entire coverage of the bombing, the conclusion that must be reached is that this was a false flag that was meant to be blamed on Patriots and gun owners. There's no evidence that this is the case, and no one

seems to be blaming right-wingers at all, but Alex needs something to justify his narratives, and this'll do just fine. Instead of accepting the very likely reality that someone who is deeply interested in the protocols of the Elders of Zion would also find his broadcast appealing, mostly because they're almost identical in theme, Alex has to deflect. It cannot be possible that this guy was a fan, so it must be the case that the claim that he's a fan is coming from the globalists who see this as their best chance to blame the Patriots for the bombing in some way after all. I kind of understand

why he would do this, considering that the alternative is publicly owning up to the fact that his show appeals to terrorists. So you gotta do what you gotta do. Usually admitting that you are running a show that the main demographic is people who want to commit violence against innocents. Usually that's not the way you go about advertising. Yeah, it seems strange. So I mean, this is good on his part. I mean, it's sloppy and terrible, and the motivation is terrible, but I can see why he would do this.

Yeah, he's slippery. I hesitate to call it smart, but it's wise. For what goal he's trying to reach, he's doing exactly what he needs to do in order to do that. I would call it cunning. Yeah, I would be smart is got too much of a connotation of value. Yeah, so Alex has now decided that Misha is probably behind the bombing. Sure. Yeah, who is Misha? And that's Tamerlan's friend had strong religious beliefs. That's who did it. And they're on their admitting. They can't find Misha. Maybe

maybe Misha is the same guy who was involved in having the drill. Hmm? Sure. Maybe Misha, maybe Misha is behind everything. So this is really getting hard to deal with at this point. I can imagine. You just made that up. Yeah, you can't have a hard time dealing with something that you literally

really just made up two seconds ago. I think what he's saying is hard to deal with is like he's got his narrative and there's just too much information coming out that he has to incorporate. Yeah, yeah, that's true and it becomes exhausting. Right when you're like, well, oh, now we got this radicalizing figure that his father is talking about. How does this fit into my conspiracy? Well, okay, he's CIA. Maybe he did the

drill. It's almost like he's a graphic designer and every time he sends it to the guy, he's like, you know what? I really think that's close, but maybe change this a little bit and over and over and over again. Alex is dealing with reality and he's like, shit, now they're asking me to put Misha in here. How am I supposed to fit another character in here? I don't know. Maybe he's at the school. That's kind of what I hear too. Yeah, almost a frustration. Yeah, how am I supposed to fucking work with this? Yeah, it's like you did this to yourself.

You could have just waited for information. I really hate this novel that I'm being forced to write for money. So Tremblay isn't the only government official that is saying things that Alex Jones is pretty into. Yeah, also we have some commentary by the one and only Saxby Chambliss that Alex is misrepresenting. Chambliss, a law enforcement agency may have had info about bombing, Boston bombing in advance. Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss told Channel 2

Action News last night that the law enforcement agency may have had information in advance of the Boston bombings that wasn't properly shared. OG thinks so and now it's come out in the Russian news and mainline news, Boston bombers role in the CIA and Chechen terror. So Alex is completely twisting the comments that Saxby Chambliss made about the law enforcement agency having advanced warning about the bombing. This is specifically about the warnings that the Russian government gave about Tamerlin back in 2011 and how that information didn't get shared to all the places that it might have been helpful for it to get to

the way Alex reads this story throughout the show. It's meant to imply that the law enforcement agency in question had specific for knowledge about the bombing and didn't do anything to stop it, which is absolutely not what Chambliss was alleging nor is there any evidence of this conclusion that's been produced. Wait, it's Chambliss the senator from Georgia. Yeah, that's that's fun coincidence there that the senator from Georgia is talking about conspiracy theory of the guy. Oh yeah. I didn't even put two and two together. That's fun. That's fun little coincidence

Dan. I'm no sex be Chambliss defender except for how fun his name is to say it is great to say, but in this case his point is a valid one. There was a failure of information sharing that are possibly could have contributed to Tamerlin falling off relevant radars. It's unclear how much of a contribution that had in terms of allowing the bombing to happen, but it's definitely a productive avenue for conversation after the bombing. It's just unfortunate that media outlets decided to present this information with headlines like quote Chambliss law enforcement agency might have had info about Boston bombing in advance

good work media that kind of clunky headline allows a bad actor like Alex to create the kind of optics he needs, which in no way reflects reality. So that's kind of what we're dealing with there. There is I think it's just because there's so many ways to divide up his name, you know, like he could be sex be Chambliss. He could be sex be Chambliss. He could be sex be Chambliss. It's he could be sex be Chambliss. It's S A X B Y right first name sex be Chambliss Chambliss or sex be period during the

2008 election me and my buddy swear engine were my buddy elsewhere in junior Matt's where we were hanging out. I think I don't know if we live together at the time we did end up being roommates. I think it was before we live together, but we were watching the election results come in and we had a bottle. I think it was a bottle of gold schlager. We were we were drinking every time the state went Democrat and went for Obama and just because we were here on the night sex be Chambliss had won a race. We had no idea

who he was, but the name was so great that every time we drank we cheers that's great. That's fantastic sex be Chambliss I enjoy that immensely. Oh my God. What's this Vermont went for Obama sex be Chambliss always have a pretty positive weird association with him even though I think he's a pretty bad dude. He's probably a shit bag. Yeah, so this next clip in this next clip here gets into how they were going to blame the Patriots and the right wing gun owners, but that didn't work

out. So now this attempt to make it Alex's fault is them trying to save victory from the jaws of defeat. Gotcha. They were going to play in the tea party. It didn't work and so now they fell back to Muslims. So they probably actually had plant the bombs. They were CIA definitely the older brother. That's confirmed now all of the Matthews that he was one of their minions not not an agent or quote officer as they call them. But they tried to then say well a foggy guy here's his first name

he says Alex Jones made him do it. So no one is saying that Tamerlin liking infos made him do the Boston bombing except for Alex. Yeah, this is a straw man that Alex is deploying to attack because he knows better than to engage with the actual reality. Where Alex to discuss this story as it's actually being reported he'd have to bring up that Tamerlin was into the protocols of the elders of Zion and that would bring up some difficult questions because the protocols are so thematically connected to his worldview discussing this issue in reality would force him to address the fact that the evil

globalists he yells about are real similar in characterization and in goals with the elders of Zion which is a really tough line for Alex. Should he say that the protocols are real that would take his show into a pretty overtly anti-Semitic place and I'm not sure he thinks that's good for business. Maybe he could say that they're real but it's not about the Jews. That seems like a little bit too hard for him to pull off and it's embarrassing when other people have tried that in the past and trying to thread that needle would probably blow up in his face plus he'd probably be accused of ripping off Bill Cooper. So what option would be left saying the protocols

are fake? If that's the case then this historical forgery that you know it's a complete hoax meant to demonize the Jews and it has a lingering overlap with his rhetoric and worldview. What does that mean for the info war? These are not questions that Alex is equipped to deal with so instead of recognizing the Tamerlin had an interest in the protocols and in info wars probably for similar reasons he just pretends that everyone is saying that info wars made Tamerlin into a terrorist. Just like that he's off the hook for the hard questions and he's created a completely false accusation that he can get indignant about people making

plus it validates the narratives about the globalist finding a way to blame the patriots for the bombing. It's exactly what he needs to do but ultimately it's painfully transparent. Yeah and it's also in a certain way flattering for him. He's framing it in such a way as see they think I have that power to turn anyone into a terrorist and that's crazy. Of course I don't. I could never do that but maybe I could. You know that kind of thing. Yeah it's pretty wild. So Alex now is just like I wish this wasn't real. I wish

I wish this was a real attack and it wasn't the false flag. And this is not a Tetris effect here where you play Tetris long enough that it's called the Tetris Syndrome. Everything looks like Tetris. It's not I'm a hammer. Everything's a nail. Believe me I don't want this to be an inside job. It just happens to be that and now I'm being connected to it. I told you that I was about to blame us for it. It's so funny. It's not funny though. He's so giddy. He's so giddy. It's I mean you could I mean that's the that's the real

face there. It's so excited to be linked to this. So Alex has a story that one of his writers has put out trying to deflect from the idea that Tamerlin was a fan of his and this is just absurd. By the way Steve Washington did a report. It's actually a serious report. Alert Spider-Man linked with Boston bombers. Michael Jackson came of Thrones finding Nemo could also be involved because that was on their Facebook and other social media accounts

and since some foggy guy said they listened to me it's my fault so by extension it's Spider-Man. So here Alex as one of his employees write an article desperately trying to create another straw man to obfuscate the connection between his work and Tamerlin. This time the goal is to say that Tamerlin's interest in info wars is the same thing as an interest in Spider-Man. Therefore if you're saying that it's notable that Tamerlin was into info wars it's equally relevant that he was into Spider-Man.

Which I think is wrong because we all know that finding Nemo is the movie that has the most anti-government messages. Sure this is our children operate. The issue with Tamerlin taking an interest in info wars is that it speaks to the world view that Tamerlin was cultivating. According to that report in the Associated Press a bit in the years before the bombing become a convinced of a broad range of conspiracy theories. He became a 9-11 truther and was dabbling in these ideas that Jews secretly run the world. He began to have a very anti-U.S. government stance to the point where people around him took notice.

While it isn't necessarily fair to say that info wars is responsible for radicalizing Tamerlin it's equally unfair to pretend that it's not part of the equation according to Tamerlin's ex-brother-in-law, not Misha the way Alex is trying to present. The fascination with conspiracy theories, particularly anti- government ones, runs a very parallel track with getting into info wars. Believing that Jews run the world and becoming interested in the protocols of Elders of Zion is absolutely compatible with the themes disseminated by info wars even if Alex doesn't say the Jews are secretly behind everything.

The themes are the same. The anti-Semitic tropes are used to characterize the globalists to an extent that most people who are getting into anti-Semitism could be forgiven if they heard what Alex said as code. This is why an interest in info wars is relevant and an interest in Spider-Man is not. And to be clear I'm not saying that info wars are Alex radicalized Tamerlin. I don't have anywhere near the amount of evidence I would need to make that kind of claim. I am saying that if Alex were a sincere actor in the world he would respond to things like this differently. He wouldn't get

defensive and create multiple defense narratives about why it means nothing that Tamerlin liked info wars and he probably didn't because that's just coming from Misha who's probably CIA. He would reflect on what he's doing and ask hard questions particularly what is it about what I do that makes it attractive to people who subscribe to ideologies I profess not to support. What unexamined parts of my work are compatible with toxic and abhorrent beliefs like those expressed by the protocols and what can I do better to make sure my message that I'm sending isn't misunderstood as support of those ideologies.

Alex can't reflect because to reflect is to introduce the possibility he's wrong about something and if he's wrong about something that introduces the possibility he's wrong about everything. It's so important for him to protect those sorts of things because he's like they're on the edges where he's most vulnerable. He has to protect his infallibility which drives him to do absurd childish nonsense like this like making his writers put out articles about how an interest in Spider-Man is equivalent to an interest in an extremist right wing propaganda outlet. It's just

bullshit. It's very sad. Yeah but it's transparent and it's not the like the thing about that is that it is not the it's not like info wars makes him hate the government or whatever it is like that like I'm extremely anti US government the pathways that you take with our evidence of info wars is influence not not the initial starting point it's it's be you know you go to info wars because you're already anti US government you have some of those inklings that

leads you to find it the way I would put it is it doesn't lead you anywhere good. It's going to take whatever you have and metastasize it to an extent it's not obviously a hundred percent effective it doesn't it's not something that happens to everyone but if they're on that path info wars will make it worse yeah it'll convince them of things that aren't true it'll create narratives in their head that are based on Alex's paranoid delusional fantasies

and movies a lot of movies yeah and fantasies delusions about those yeah being real yeah and so it's just you know it make it all it all makes total sense and the way Alex is doing this makes total sense too because dealing dealing with these things in a more realistic way is very very threatening to the way he presents his show and his business so obviously the most threatening thing to him is people treating him realistically it's not a threat for them to attack

him in the ways that let's say the virulently anti-semitic people do and they say that he works for Israel right for the Jews that's not really doing it yeah I love that shit tell me I'm a real Jew that's not a threat to him not at all people attacking him and saying like hey you caused this bombing that's not even really that threatening to him really I caused a bombing I'm a radio show host did spider man goes a bombing a nuanced understanding of the thematic connections between

him and the ideologies that do underlie people who end up committing extremist acts is very threatening to yeah I love that he operates under the same propaganda tactics that ISIS for example uses so we have one last clip here and you might remember that Alex said that Lindsay Williams is going to be on interestingly Alex's interview with Lindsay Williams has been cut out of the episode as it appears on his rss feed wait what yeah I thought that was really bizarre and I don't think I've ever run into

that in the past like I've listened to tons and tons of these episodes and I've heard an instance where Alex says a guest is coming up the guest never shows up and he doesn't say like we had a scheduling issue or he can't get a hold of him yeah Lindsay just never shows up on the episode so I went and found the full version of this episode and I listened to the Lindsay Williams interview it seems pretty par for the course for him actually oh but it's also pretty embarrassing when Williams is just doing his normal shtick of pretending to have this elite insider information that he uses to issue dire warnings about the coming financial

collapse all of his predictions that he makes are stupid and they're very clearly his appearance is very clearly explicitly about trying to sell his DVDs I suspect however in this case Lindsay Williams went too far Alex is fine with Lindsay selling his DVDs as a byproduct of him coming on the show to give Alex quote unquote inside information from this quote unquote elite source of his that is of course imaginary but Alex can't accept the inverse of the appearance to be that Lindsay is primarily there to sell DVDs

and that he's doing that by pretending to have this source and I think Lindsay crossed the line here's how that interview ends I think it speaks volumes and why it got cut out of the episode that got released also I should say that what we listen to here is the third time in like 15 minutes that Lindsay launched into a sales pitch bottom line trying to impoverish the world and that's the stated plans of the globalist it's the stated plans to get our pension funds and bank accounts what do you got on the war front

from your associate you're saying a number of months how long cause I know congress is talking about lovingly taking over retirement accounts to safeguard them but also tax them this is after tax money I mean why not it's for the earth Lindsay please go to lindsaywilliams.net lindsay is fill L-I-N-D-S-E-Y please go there to lindsaywilliams.net I have produced this week

a DVD telling everything that my elite friend told me is called New Signs that the elite have just given me it just came out Monday that's right we're only down to Wednesday today LindsayWilliams.net I'll go if you will to our total free number and it's 888 799 6111 American operators by the way 888 799 even about that 111 and Alex you'll appreciate this especially we dropped the price of our new DVD series 70%

compared to what we charged for our previous one to get it out to people all right Lindsay I'm out of time thank you brother all right out of time I appreciate it and Lindsay's a great guy he really does have that source I'm not paid to promote this stuff when he comes on I mean I like Lindsay I like the stuff but it starts you know I mean he does have important information but as for you know cancer cures and stuff like that I'm just not part of it that's all I can say right there you know I occasionally infomercial with young Jevity stuff because I really believe it and have tested it and know it and Clemson's done studies on it really is powerful and my sponsors are great

if you hear me endorse something that's my sponsor but appreciate LindsayWilliams coming on with us we're gonna go to break now ooh that's fucked up wow because he says there at the end that like I infomercial for young Jevity sometimes because I believe in that stuff which seems to imply that he doesn't believe in Lindsay's stuff ooh no he does not no that is of course that's what gets cut out yeah that's so obvious we've gone through so many of these old episodes where you're like why the fuck did you leave that in yeah you could have just cut that

out but what gets cut out a fucking sales pitch well the time when a guest of his made it way too overt that he's there teasing fake inside information in order to sell his DVDs it makes it the grift way too obvious yeah man so you don't want that to live on yeah in in terms of being really easily accessible and actually I lied or I misspoke there's one more clip and it's how Alex ends the episode and he's teasing the fuck LindsayWilliams

kind of I think he's mocking Lindsay Williams a little bit as he teases the nightly news but the nightly news is back tonight 7 o'clock central standard time I think it'll be live tonight we had a bunch of special reports that are going to premiere they've been working on for days 7 o'clock central if you're not a prison planet TV member it will not cure your cancer but it will that's a joke folks a little inside joke but it will help cure the tyranny 11 memberships for 595 11 people can simultaneously log in with it so when Alex says that it won't

cure cancer that's referencing back to just like a little bit earlier when he was saying about Lindsay I'm not into can't the cancer yeah yeah yeah and I don't think that that's specifically about Lindsay Williams selling a cancer cure it's just more metaphorical that he's offering this miracle thing that isn't real so I think I I don't know this to be sure wait does Lindsay William sell cancer I don't think so no it's just DVDs about the globalists and how he knows this elite mystery source that tells him bad information

I don't know this to be sure but I tried to google like Lindsay Williams appearances on Alex's show and I think this is the last time he's on I'm not positive about that but all of the other ones were from like 2009 2010 no shit yeah so I think this might be the end of their relationship you might have fucked it up huh oh man you know you fly too close to the sun and like Icarus your DVDs melt yeah you have to at least answer his question first then you can launch into the sales pitch if he asks you a direct question and instead you launch into the sales pitch you get cut out of the episode

and Alex absolutely was not out of time when he was telling Lindsay he was out of time he goes into overdrive oh man he had all the time in the world some of those callers that we listened to and some of that stuff was actually after Lindsay's interview that I just didn't realize that because I got to the end of the episode like where was Lindsay that's not good yeah he had plenty of time wow so we get to the end of this episode and I think this is really very fascinating to me because you have the

first thing is you know you got the tamerlin as a fan of info wars and that's fascinating seeing how Alex responds to that is really interesting but then out of nowhere you got this is vestia story this news story that you see how Alex changes it you see how he manipulates the details is so vague about the sources people can't like his listeners can't verify anything that he's saying he turns it into proof documents released everything is proven that he tamerlin was recruited by the CIA in Georgia

boom then he brings back the tamerlin was a fan of info wars narrative connects it to this Misha character and integrates that with the is vestia story in order to make it so everything is the CIA everything they're the ones who are saying that tamerlin was a fan of info wars in order to satisfy Alex's prophecy that they were going to find a way to blame the patriots it's really it's really interesting it all works

it all works if you believe him yeah it's all bullshit it's kind of amazing because what we're watching is him rewrite the reality in real time and that's probably why he's so tired is normally he gets to have other people write articles for him and then he can do it but this is almost all it feels extemporaneous like him adding so much he didn't know about the is vestia story when he started the episode he didn't know about Misha it at least doesn't seem like it until

thirds of the way through the episode yeah but that's the same thing he's been doing with his whole bombing like he's been on the seat of his pants for quite a while and I think I think that element of it made this episode a little bit more interesting than some of the last couple days because those have been so like standard Alex yeah whereas this is a little bit more it feels a little more improvisational you can see the instincts a little more than just the like all right boring dumb propaganda whoop the shit dumb conspiracy and and yeah so I mean

and it was it was really illuminating to see that Misha thing happen so quickly like it went from I just found out about Misha to maybe Misha was this guy over here and then he's this and maybe Misha is the actual and he's CIA and then all of a sudden that all crystallized into truth yeah and it was concrete and he knew the whole beats of the story I don't I have a strong suspicion I don't know this to be true but I have a strong suspicion that that is not going to be continued

oh no Misha was behind the drills oh no of course I think once they find him in Rhode Island Alex is gonna be like nah he'll rewrite the new story sure yeah yeah it'll be it'll be something stupid but it won't be that specifically so I don't know I'm interested to see where this goes there's still actually like even if there is a feeling that I have that I kind of feel like Alex is already on the crisis actors too yeah yeah that clip I think is really illuminating on that front I still think that there's more that a greater fall that he has to

make that I'm still interested in seeing and then there's one big piece of the Boston bombing narratives that is still not in play and I do not know how he hasn't gotten to it yet and so I am going to keep continuing down this road in 2013 because there's something fucking gigantic then I don't know why it's insane to me that he hasn't brought up yet and I'm just going to keep that there as a tease and we'll see when Alex finally does bring it up I'm excited but we'll get to that in an episode down the room

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