Knowledge Fight - #381: Making It Big With Silent Weapons

Episode Date: December 25, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a holiday break from Alex Jones to give Dan a present: the opportunity to talk about Bill Cooper. In this episode, the gents go over the first episode of Cooper's radio show, The Hour Of The Time, where Bill discusses a mysterious document that may or may not prove a grand conspiracy.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding us. Hello Alex. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're double dudes. I sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan Jordan. On this day. I must ask you one quick question. Sure. Have you ever been? He has risen. Oh wait, that's sorry. Go ahead. He's risen from somewhere indeed. What's up? Have you ever seen? Did you ever

go to like a nativity play at your church Christmas Eve or Christmas day? Have you ever seen a good one? I don't know. I'm not. I'm not positive. I could critically review any of the ones from my past. I don't know exactly. I would say definitely. I have some vague memories of going to like midnight masses. Yeah. Yeah. Although I was not Catholic. I still think they exist in other denominations and I remember those being really fun. I don't know why. It's just like really late. Yeah. Later than you would be. You know that Christmas is that much closer. Right. Right. You're younger. Absolutely. In this situation. It's such a novel thing. You know, yeah, you're going to church at midnight. Weird. Very weird. That is weird. I don't know. I think

of nativity scenes as something I drive past. You know, that's that's right. More adult years that's right. The place that I put it's something in someone's yard. Yeah. Somebody in the place in the church place or something. It's in somebody's yard. Yeah, it's a church. Yeah, kind of the the the lights, you know the version of that. I guess that that's along with Christmas to yeah Halloween decorations. Nativity plays Halloween decorations. Same shit. Yeah, I kind of vibe. I don't know. Nothing sticks out in my head. I've seen a bunch though. Yeah. Yeah, people acting out that manger see. Yeah, it's happened. It has. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't have a great answer for that, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. That's

what this podcast is about. You got it. So Jordan today. I wanted to celebrate this holiday here this this Christmas day by giving myself a gift. Okay, good. That's the reason for the season. So that means that I'm going to be tortured on this episode. No, I don't think so. I don't know. I think you'll be you'll get a charge out of some of this stuff that we end up talking about because I wanted to take a step away from Alex Jones. Take a take a take a day to look at something else that I want to look into. And then also the other thing that is that I know that Alex has a tendency of getting a little buck wild around the holidays, but I don't want to I don't want to rush it. I want to save that for Monday. Okay. Okay. For Monday we'll have an Alex Jones special

Christmas. Yeah. I was looking forward to finding out whether or not he thought that Jesus was an internet inner dimensional alien on Christmas, but a good internet. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alien. No, I believe it was last year. He threw hatchets in the studio on Christmas Eve, and we'll see if you can top himself this year. Yeah. What else is there to throw? But that'll that'll be for Monday. Okay. We have something else to do. All right. But before we get to that, I take a little moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. So first, Jason, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Jason. Next, Mary. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you, Mary. Next power Mary on the Christmas episode. Come on now. Yeah, it's a little on the note. Yeah. Next Jesus. No. How will a C wonka. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you policy wonka. Next, Stu. Just STU. Thank you on Christmas. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much. Next, J. R. From the Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, J. R. Next, Sam. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Sam. Next, Sam. Next, Satan's Little Monkey, but it's spelled M-O-N-K-E-E. So it might be Davey Jones. Yeah, that's that's way better. Michael Nessmith. Okay.

Which one of them worship Satan? Mickey Dolan's. How do you know the names of the monkeys? You don't know the monkeys? You were born after the monkeys. Yeah, they like to monkey around. Okay. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Yes. Thank you very much. Mike Nessmith, Satan's Little Monkey. Thank you so much. And finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level. We appreciate that very much. So, Gareth, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, Mike. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401K doing, bro? All right. We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you

pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Gareth. Yes. Thank you very much, Gareth. If you're out there listening and you're thinking, Hey, I enjoy this show. I'd like to sport with these gents too. You can do that by going to our website, knowledge fights.com, clicking the button that says sport the show. We would appreciate it. It'd be lovely. So Jordan, today what I'm doing is I've been in a bit of an identity crisis with the show. Yeah. A little bit because I feel like we've been in a situation where we've had our wacky Wednesdays and there have been problems. It's there have been corridors. We've tried to go down. Yeah. What are we doing? Yeah. There's a fine balance to

exactly what is good to cover and what isn't and it's really difficult to walk that line. Like Reverend Manning is super interesting and I'm glad we covered him, but I don't think there's value to covering him anymore. No, he should be in prison. Project Camelot does not charm me anymore. I'm not sure exactly how interesting it is to cover any more of that. A lot of people are in prison on that. That's really difficult. I don't know what to do. And so to remedy that problem. One of the things that I came up with was coast to coast AM. That's going to be a great idea and I got to tell you it was a better idea than it is in practice. No because the episodes are really long of coast to coast and they're very boring. Yeah. Most of the time they're very

boring and not worth talking about. Yeah. Of course. So you end up eating tons of time in this preparation of things that go nowhere. You're sacrificing 15 hours for the possibility of maybe 10 minutes of our show worth talking about. Yeah, and that is a that's a ratio. I can't keep up now. We're going to be able to do this. So and the second thing too is like I started to realize as I was listening to more and more coast to coast AM. It's like yeah. George Norris sucks. Definitely sucks. Yeah. A bit of its subtle. But the thing that you comes up much more is like callers saying really stupid things and I don't want us to do episodes about coast to coast AM where we're just like look at this dumb ass. Shit talking callers holds no interest for

me except for when they're Alex's callers and they're well yeah saying like should we start shooting people. Right. Right. But that's not shit talking. That's terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. It just didn't feel like it would be satisfying in any way. Like it's it's a ton of work for very little content. Yeah. And then some of the content will be like really not what I'm comfortable with or what I want our show to be. Right. So that has turned me off a bit on the idea of coast to coast. But we need something else and I realized what is what interests me. Like what is something that I think is going to be in line with the show. Interesting add to everything. And the only thing I can come up with and the only thing I really want to do is I want to talk

about Bill Cooper. I was I was going to guess the Final Fantasy series. But I think Bill Cooper does fit more in line. I was way off. I want to talk about William Milton Cooper. His middle name is Milton. Yeah. No. First name. Oh his first name is William. A Milton William Cooper. Really. Yes. It's a good idea to go by Bill. Yeah. Bill Cooper is a guy who is on shortwave radio for years and is you know basically what you'd call the prototype. Yeah of Alex and he has years worth of his radio show available from 1993 when he started the the hour of the time. On WWCR shortwave radio to his death in 2001. Right. And I think that this would be the avenue down which we can find the most wackiness the most relevance and the most that I'm interested in.

Right. We're going back to the beginning. We're starting at the beginnings of this. I wouldn't say the beginning because I think that there's even further back things that right like Cicero. Sure. There are other things that probably are influences that may be conscious subconscious. Sure. At least historically relevant. And maybe that's something else we could do. But I want to talk about Bill Cooper. Let's do it. So I've been listening to a bunch of him and it's it's fascinating to me because for the last you know weeks I've been listening to his show in addition to listening to Alex's show in the present day. That's why it's just depressing. Yeah. It has to be. It's so staggering to see the difference between like this guy who is at the

top of his game doing this shortwave militia show in 93 and Alex 2019 just the juxtaposition is almost unsettling. Okay. How bad Alex is. All right. So what I've got for you today Jordan is we're going to be listening to the premier episode. Okay of the hour of the time. All right in 93. So we're going to get a lot of Clinton shit talk. Is that what's happening very little. Okay. So though Bill Cooper had been on some form of pirate radio for about a decade up to this point already. This is considered the first episode of his more mainstream show. The legendary the hour of the time on January 4th 1993. Bill began airing weeknights on WWCR. I believe it was 11 o'clock central was when his show would air. So we got the

primo time slot for this sort of thing. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. This is exactly where you want to be. That's fair. So WWCR is probably the largest shortwave radio station in the country but it's broadcast out in Nashville and the shows could be heard all over the United States and it brought Bill Cooper to a much wider audience than he had had previously. WWCR is also the shortwave station that got into a business relationship with Genesis Communications Network and eventually ended up airing Alex's show. Of course. But in 1993 that's two years before Alex ever was around. Yeah. Bill is on this shortwave station knocking it out of the park bringing the militia community to the world. Yeah. So right

builds a gigantic topic and from the amount of the shows that I've listened to I think he's a very complicated figure. He's someone with abhorrent views. Yeah. On many topics. Of course. But he's also a person who's miles ahead of the right wing on some topics. Yeah. That you would not expect in some places. All right. I find it very interesting. What I what I look at it is I think he's a human as opposed to someone like Alex who's full of shit. Yeah. Yeah. I think that Bill is a flawed and in many ways bad human. Yeah. But a human. Yeah. Right. Which makes it so much more interesting to me. Yeah. Alex is more of a construct at this. Sure. Yeah. There are many things that I know about Bill and there's many things that I don't know about him and I don't

want to let those color with the topic that we're talking about today. OK. So today is about this episode. So we'll talk about what he brings up in this episode. All right. There are plenty of other things like I could say hey this show is interesting and so like well what about his AIDS denial. Right. Right. Right. Sure. Yeah. That's something to talk about on the absolute where he gets into absolutely not going to deny that that is completely fucked up. Yeah. If you think we're defending him for that then you you got to stop listening to this show. So this is the this is the premiere. This is the first episode January 4th every show of his starts with air raid sirens and dogs barking and terrifying sound scheme. Okay. That's

sort of it. It's very hard to listen to. It's very upsetting. I want to pause here really fast because this does go on but it's very interesting to me that in the last couple months at least and probably a little bit further back than that Alex has been coming out of break sometimes with just air raid sirens. Yeah. And it's very reminiscent of the beginning of Bill Cooper's hour of the time. Yeah. This was recorded at Disneyland. Okay. I told you it goes on a while. He lets it fade. He doesn't stop it. He lets it fade out. That's

great. You have just heard listeners all over the world is a warning and you will hear this warning from here on out. You've been listening to your leaders tell you that there's a great move toward democracy in the world. You witnessed the parting of the iron curtain the fall of the Berlin Wall the fracturing of the Soviet Union and this is all supposedly toward a new worldwide democracy. Supposedly is doing a lot of work in that shirt. First sentence out of his mouth. Yeah. Starting this new show on WWCR the premise is you see the dropping of the iron curtain all of this. It's all in service of a one world democracy. Yep. A one world government. So we know from the

jump is dudes all about that right right. Of course he is. Yeah. So look the problem in the world it seems external but really it's within each and every one of us. All right. So Bill drops that on us and then man this guy what what a what a broadcaster but don't get down folks. All is not lost. The problem lies within each and every one of you and therein also lies the answer. I'm your host William Cooper and you're listening to the hour of the time. That is a jarring turn from the air raid sirens and dogs. They are all lying to you but this song for the listeners Dan is lip syncing and Bill Cooper is so much better. Yes and one of the

things I've noticed from listening to his show is that he's not afraid to make his show a multimedia experience. Bill incorporates music into his show that has a thematic connection to the topic that he's covering. That indicates preparation. It indicates intention. He has a topic that he wants to cover and he's going to help drive his points home with artistic assistance. In this case in his first episode of the hour of the time Bill chose to open his show with the long forgotten Beach Boys quote unquote hit make it big from the troupe Beverly Hills soundtrack. Yeah. The song was also on their 1989 album still cruising which was almost universally panned by critics as being trash. The review on Rolling Stone opens with this line

quote if you've been waiting for the Beach Boys to hit rock bottom the suspense is over okay. That's that's a generous opening line. This was the album that included their cover of wipeout featuring the fat boys if that gives you some idea of what they were up to at that point. They weren't doing pet sounds anymore. That's true. That's true. I will give you that in prepping this episode. I went back and watched that video for wipeout and I can report that it's as embarrassing as I remembered it being. Oh so they hadn't yet hit rock bottom. That was part of it. Anyway the point here is that Bill is the kind of broadcaster who's down to open his show with a full song. He plays the full song in order to set the mood and I'm here to tell you that it rules

this kind of thing honestly makes me super giddy spending so much time as I do studying Alex. I'm like a man starving for someone who's trying and the fact that Bill opens his show like this is just awesome. Yeah the way I feel about Alex Jones is that he's mostly checked out. He's going through the motions of trying to spin conspiracy theories but he's too confused by his own ideas and he's in too deep that he doesn't even know what he's doing anymore. He can't be bothered to spend any time preparing so he just yells convoluted nonsense on air plugs his pills gets a bit racist then screams about the literal devil for a while. He doesn't necessarily feel good to demonstrate how he's wrong about stuff in 2019. It just feels kind of sad most of the time. It's incoherent but Bill

Cooper here is a man deserving of my attention. Here is a guy who is trying. I'm going to stop just short of saying that I like Bill Cooper but he's definitely much more serious and a competent person than Alex and on some level I definitely admire that even if I disagree with just about everything I know he believes. Yeah it's very close to you got to give it up to the Somali pirates very close to that for you got to give it up to Bill Cooper. He's opening up his show with a fucking Beach Boys song make it big which I know it's probably confusing what I mean by thematic connection but you'll start to understand it as we go along. Like when I was listening to it I had the same response to you. I was laughing and I was like what the fuck is he open up with this.

Of course it's ridiculous song. It wasn't a long walk from air raid sirens and dogs barking and fucking Nazis marching to the Beach Boys. Maybe a beating that's not long enough right and and I have to think that Bill is in control of his show enough. It's on shortwave. Yeah like you have payola going on. He gets to choose exactly how he wants to present the show and it's his first show on this weekly or weeknight syndicated shortwave show that like how am I going to present myself. This is this is a statement song. Yeah. Although I do find it weirdly plausible that Dennis Wilson could like a half-ass half-ass backwards his way into being like hey there's this new show. It's got this really great host. You got to be on it. We just

got to pay him a little bit. Just a little bit. Yeah. And then it's like we're going to start a war. Now you'll see you'll see the theme and I think it's just great. This guy he gets it. He knows how he knows how to do radio. Okay. And I admire that. Okay. Because I like radio. So the song ends and Bill gets down to introducing something that will be the theme of the episode. Although he doesn't he doesn't get into it immediately. Again it's another great broadcasting trick that Alex thinks he's doing but he's not. Yeah. Which is that Bill introduces the subject talks about something else then really digs into the subject. Right. Alex brings up and teases the subject talks about other stuff then forgets about everything. Yes. Thinks that he's

gotten into the subject when he in fact has not. He really does believe that he's already taken care of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think what Alex is doing is almost a bad photocopy of this sort of show. Yeah. So here is Bill introducing the subject that we will be getting into a little bit later. Folks all the problems are within us and all the answers are there in also. So silent weapon technology has evolved from operations research or a strategy and tactical methodology developed under the military management in England during World War II. And this will be the first that most of you have ever heard of it. We've got the tease. Yeah. We have silent weapon technology that's been developed by OR operational research. There you go. We've

got this and now Bill starts speaking starts just talking about the show itself. It's going to be unlike anything you've ever heard in your life. Well already he's got a garrison keeler cadence to him. I find so much more attractive to listen to than Alex's nonsense rambling. It feels also. I mean in the same vein as I was saying that he feels like a real person. The way he speaks feels like a real person communicating. Yeah. Alex has all these affectations to his voice and like things like this is ridiculous the way you've been making fun of lately all the fake passion. Yeah. Yeah. Like all that stuff really takes you out of the moment when you're listening to him whereas Bill he seems like he is directly communicating exactly how

you would if you were talking to. Yeah. Yeah. And there's something compelling about that as well but this show will be unlike any other you ever heard. So we've got the introduction to the thesis and now we get into the this is what you're listening to. It will be unlike anything you ever heard almost a sales pitch on the pilot episode. And this is not not any kind of a radio program that you've ever heard before in your life for nothing is sacred here. And we're going to lay it all on the line. We're not going to beat around the bush and I'm going to tell you something folks. There's nobody here that's afraid of anyone or anybody or anything. We have no vested interest in a career in radio. So if we get

thrown off the air it's not going to bother us a bit. Therefore we're not going to compromise what we say to stay on the air here regardless of the pressure. This is why he started the show with make it big. Yeah. This is the thematic like beneath the silent weapons theme that he's going to get to the the sort of the the topic of the lecture as it were the other message that he wants to drive across is served by almost that song being farcical. Yeah like the make it big is in service and ironic. We're not going to make it big. Yeah. We're not we're not interested in success. We're not the fucking Beach Boys. It's so good. Yeah. This is so good. Yeah. It's the opening of Pride and Prejudice. It's you open with that line as an ironic aside. Yeah.

Exactly. It has a real impact. Like if you're listening to like oh that's why you play that song or or you don't notice it but you get the you get the subconscious. You're critically examining it. You get it but it's not. Yeah. It might just like roll off on you and I mean look look that Beach Boys album is terrible but that song is pretty catchy. So anyway Bill gets down to his standard admonition that he gives people and that is don't trust anything that you hear not even on my show. I love it. Before I go any farther though going to have to give you my standard admonition that all of those who have come to my lectures who have read my book everyone who has been listening to this show on satellite or on WWCR since its inception on the 4th of May

1982. They already know this but I know that there's many new listeners out there tonight. So I'm going to give you this admonition and you must obey it no matter what. You must not believe anything that you hear on this show or on the Chuck Carter show or on the Tom Valentine show or on Larry King live or from the lips of Dan Rather or George Bush or Bill Clinton or anyone else in this entire world whether you hear it on radio or on television or from the lips of someone standing right in front of you. But you must listen to everyone no matter who they are or what they are saying. So that is the true mark of intelligence. Listen to everything believe nothing until you can prove

you yourself. You must learn how to find the truth and prove it. If you can't do that you might as well turn off your radio now. If you have to call someone else to ask if you should be listening to this show you should turn off your radio now. So when he said that he's like on WWCR before it's my understanding that he had some form of a show but not week not this one yet not every week night at 11. So you know he was still a figure before like Behold a Pale Horse. His big book was published in 91. He's been a gigantic figure since at least that point even before that but this is the launch of the nightly show. So just to clarify in case anyone heard that was like what. Anyway he's telling people not to

believe anything and this mentality is absolutely universal and conspiracy theory communities but something that I find really interesting is how it plays out differently depending on the personalities of each individual conspiracy theorist. For instance the way Alex presents this is by saying that everything he's saying has been proven it's all declassified it's in the white papers the globalists admit it go ahead look it up. He's basically suggesting that if you don't agree with him you're uninformed and if you go ahead and do the research he's done you'll get up to speed and recognize that he's right. It's a strategy that's deployed to make his audience less likely to actually do that research and just to accept that he might be right or he must be

right. There's no way he'd be so insistent that I researched these things if he knew that when I did I'd realize he's making shit up. Yeah it's basically just a bluff. I was thinking the exact same thing whenever he said that. I was like this is the inverse of Alex saying that I know everything you go look it up. Yeah it builds position is like you're saying it's a little different but ultimately the effect I think it has on an audience is the same. Yeah I agree. If he's on air saying that you shouldn't trust anything that anyone says without researching it on your own it kind of stands to reason that he himself wouldn't trust anything he hears without researching it on his own and if you think Bill's credible at all I would probably subconsciously accept

that his research is good enough. Yeah. Yeah. In effect telling people to be skeptical of everyone is a way of getting people to only trust you. It's an authenticity shortcut and based on some of the stuff we're going to get into later I don't believe that Bill practices what he preaches. The other thing that Bill's doing here is saying that if you aren't going to prove things for yourself he doesn't even want you listening to the show. This has the effect of creating an inflated sense of self in the audience. Bill is straight up telling all the dumb followers to stop listening so by definition if I keep listening I must not be one of them. Exactly. It creates an imaginary us versus them of like you insulate the audience with this like if you are still listening then

you must be one of the champion. Yeah. Truth. Of course. Deducers. Yeah. Yeah. You've researched everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean I think I think the strategy and I don't know how much that's a conscious strategy but that is the effect that you have on people with that sort of thing. Yeah. I think what's interesting about that like that statement he made of don't trust anything anybody says without having researched yourself and all of those things all of that sounds on a surface level to be fairly good advice you know. Right. You should have a skeptical mind. You should be capable of critically researching everything. Yeah. But at the same time within that statement is the stuff that makes it impossible. Like if you can't trust

anyone on anything then you don't have time. Exactly. Then you're you're going to lose your mind especially if you take the other piece of advice that he has and is you have to listen to everybody. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Right. Which is also everything and don't believe anything that you will always be looking into things and you got to consider too. This is 93. Yeah. The Internet wasn't what it is today. Right. Right. Right. So actually the audience getting into some of this stuff would be a lot more difficult than it is. Let's say for me to go back and look at this. Right. Right. So in 93 I probably couldn't do a show critically deconstructing what he's talking about because I couldn't get my hands on some of the documents right that he's referencing

but now it's all been photocopied scanned. It's all online. It's very easy to get to the bottom of like oh this is bullshit. Yeah. In 93 I imagine too that if you're the type of person who would tune into Bill Cooper show the stuff that you would be looking up because of the limited availability of infinite knowledge would probably humor towards the stuff that would reinforce Bill Cooper's ideas. Yeah. You might be driven towards certain data streams and yeah information sources like Patriot message boards and shit like that that have the appearance of confirmation. Right. I think that's probably strategic. Yeah. Bill's part but on that larger community's part for sure. Yeah that is and it's also really fascinating that idea of you should listen to

everyone because you're going to trust yourself more the information that you're going to research and look into is going to most likely be counter to the narrative that you passively hear all around you. So that also kind of insulates you from you know I am listening to everybody but I'm looking at which I think is more important than whatever Dan fucking rather says is something that I'm going to trust more than whatever the fuck Dan rather says. Yeah. Yep. All that is that is in the mix. Yeah. So we get back to Bill not wanting to make it big. He expounds on this a little bit more and you'll hear some fairly familiar refrains here. I told you that this was not any kind of a radio broadcast that you've ever heard or ever will hear anywhere else.

You see most radio personalities have a vested interest in maintaining their show on the air and going up the ladder career wise and making a lot of money. None of those interests prevail here. I can assure you our interests are in saving freedom for the world. The only way that freedom can be saved for the world is if we can save the Constitution of the United States of America and save this country sounds just like Alex. Yeah. But I believe him. I believe he believes that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I believe there's an authenticity to him saying like I'm not looking for money. We're not trying to get rich here. Oh absolutely. Alex say that stuff and then do 40 commercials for krill oil and shit. So this money isn't about me. It's about bringing

freedom to. Yeah. Whereas I feel a more authentic presentation from Bill. I don't think he is trying to get rich. No. I agree. I think he would have behaved much differently if he was. Yeah. And he's not. I think he would have died differently. Certainly. So he's gotten his. We're not trying to make it spiel out of the way. And now we get to the meat. Yeah. The thesis has already been introduced. There's these silent weapons and we now enter the lecture portion folks. Let me continue here with the silent weapon technology that I began with. Or after they developed this operations research and found out that it could be extremely useful. It was soon recognized by those in positions of power that the same methods might be useful

for totally controlling a society. But better tools at that time were necessary. Better tools. All right. So silent weapons I'm assuming we're no longer talking about silencers on guns. No. Certainly not. Now this is much much larger than that. This is an insidious I'm going to go with global group of people. Yes. Yeah. They needed better tools and it turns out what they needed in order to achieve this control over the entire population turns out it was computers. Social engineering folks the analysis and automation of a society requires the correlation of great amounts of constantly changing economic information or data. So a high speed computerized data processing system was necessary which could race ahead of

the society and predict when society would arrive for capitulation. Relay computers were too slow. But the electronic computer invented in 1946 by J. Press for Eckhart and John W. Mousley filled the bill. So Bill is clearly reading something here. Even the first time through listening to those I was like absolutely he's reading something. I'm not sure what it is but we'll get to that later. For now it's just relevant to point out that what Bill is expressing is that in order to control society the elites needed to create computers which could process data and tell where things were going in the future so they could plan ahead and be ready for the point when society catches up with their predictive calculations. Right. Alex talks about

this a lot. He often makes obscure references to actuaries and how the globalists use their computer systems using social media to predict the future so they'll be able to know what to do in advance. I have almost no doubt that he's taking it from the same source the bill is currently reading from because I've never heard Alex give a real source and it doesn't match up with the reality that I understand from what I've looked into the field of like modeling yeah statistical modeling yeah and that sort of stuff. So I find this to be another real thematic piece of Alex's stuff that I've never really understood but you're hearing it echoed in this show yeah from 93. Yeah Bill does give sources. Yeah. So what I'm what I'm finding already the pattern that I'm picking

up here just a little bit is he is much more likely to put a solid kernel of something that you do agree with surrounded by and you know globalists you know well that's kind of like Alex does Alex just lies right for the most part but that's what good conspiracy theories to do oh for sure all competent conspiracy theories start from a place of like universal truth absolutely we all feel like something's wrong and here's why yeah and this was only a year after the unabomber so distressing technology is right on board for this group of folks sure but this actually has nothing to do with the unabomber and something far more obscure but we'll get into it just the you a bomber sure so with silent weapons these elites are able to carry out what's known as a

quiet war right against the population and what do you know it started in 1954 and it was carried out by a name that's very familiar the quiet war was quietly declared by the international elite at a meeting held in 1954 and the name of that group folks is the Bilderberg group so now this is something interesting because Alex talks about how no one was talking about the Bilderberg group before he came along and started exposing this stuff this is two years before Alex was ever on air here's bill cooper directly saying yeah the guys who started a silent war in 1954 were the Bilderberg group right Alex is all of the things that he takes credit for are all things that either bill cooper or the larger patriot community was already up in arms about yeah

before Alex got on air he's just stolen the legacy of this guy basically that's brutal it is yeah it is i mean i don't want to lionize or or like turn bill into some kind of hero but like no no it is he got done dirty by alice that's it that's it yeah absolutely i mean i don't give a i think both of their legacies are going to be shit but it i'm never not going to be like you stole his shit legacy and that's bad yeah you could be you could be a bad person and still get done wrong yeah yeah that's that's what i see here yeah so the Bilderberg group right they see us as food they see humans as food okay which is another theme that you hear Alex talk about all the time we're cattle they just want to just eat us although the so-called moral issues were raised

in view of the law of natural selection it was agreed that a nation our world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence such people are beasts of burden and stakes on the table by choice and consent always have been and always will be consequently in the interest of future world order peace and tranquility it was decided to privately wage a quiet war against the american public with an ultimate objective of permanently shifting the natural and social energy our wealth of the undisciplined and irresponsible many into the hands of the self-disciplined responsible and worthy few so you're picking up uh what's going on here yeah yeah i i but i'm just so distracted i don't want to compliment

this guy but he's such a better broadcaster that like immediately after that first line that pause was the right length of time it was just so such a good pause well he knows what he's going to do yeah like he had like i said at the beginning there's intention behind what he's doing as opposed to reactive flailing right you see from alex right i don't want to compliment him anymore i'm going to try not to i mean you can compliment his broadcasting skills because he's obviously certainly he he's a more serious person yeah for sure where did he get that quote from what do you mean the stakes on the table yeah we'll get to it okay okay obviously he's reading something yes exactly and he will say what it's from eventually and then we'll talk about it but

for now it's something okay you're keeping us in suspense he's reading something okay um and it's all about these silent weapons sure uh they're obvious to the trained eye right but you and i we wouldn't do you know it makes no obvious explosive noises causes no obvious physical or mental injuries and does not obviously interfere with anyone's daily social life yet it makes an unmistakable noise causes unmistakable physical and mental damage and unmistakably interferes with daily social life in effect unmistakable to a trained observer one who knows what to look for the public cannot comprehend this weapon and therefore cannot believe that they're being attacked and subdued by a weapon the public might instinctively feel

that something is wrong but because of the technical nature of the silent weapon they cannot express their feeling in a rational way or handle the problem with intelligence therefore they do not know how to cry for help and do not know how to associate with others to defend themselves against it dear listeners when a silent weapon is applied gradually the public adjusts this is classic conspiracy shit there's this massive thing that explains everything but it's only apparent to trained eyes like mine this is just red pill rhetoric before the matrix ever came out it's an attempt to deal with a very real issue that what you're talking about makes no sense to anyone it only makes sense to trained observers the second part of that clip is also pretty standard conspiracy manipulation

like we've already touched on a minute ago every conspiracy generally starts from a fairly universal or at least a feeling like it's universal true the problem eletic yeah many people feel like there's something wrong with the way society is structured there are systematic problems that keep power in the hands of a particular class while the rest of us are left to play games with our bootstraps everyone recognizes that that's not fair and that there's probably a better way to go about things but they aren't sure what the cause of the problem is and this is the feeling that a conspiracy theorist can work with by providing an answer to that fundamental question they're able to pass off anything they want is part of that explanation everyone feels like

something's off but they can't quite put their finger on it the answer of course is a silent weapon system set up by the Bilderberg group in 1954 that sounds right there's a reason the Bill Cooper decided to cover this on this first episode on w w c r and why it's the subject of his the first chapter of his book behold a pale horse which is what he's reading from gotcha okay he's reading from his own book well but it's kind of tacky it's the first chapter of his book that's actually a republishing of something else so the mystery is still not entirely okay and the reason he's doing this is because it's something like a thesis statement this is what's at the root of a lot of his conspiracies the explanation for why things aren't the way they should be in society

right it's a silent weapon system that's being deployed and you can even hear so many wrinkles and shades of alex in there yeah at the end when he's saying when it's applied gradually humans adjust alex talks about that all the time of course all the time talks about meeting with globalists who are like ah public will acclimate to our people yeah like all everything is just like oh wow all of these ideas are all just repackaged so you know we're talking about this this this thing that people like bill and alex are able to manipulate from the starting point of feeling like something's wrong right and what do you know bill meets a lot of people who feel that way and that folks is the reason why when i travel around this country to get my lectures i

meet thousands of people who come up to me and say bill something is wrong something is terribly wrong i can feel it in my gut but i don't know what it is and that's why everybody is blaming george bush not realizing that bill clinton is the same what's this there we are what's this there we are all political parties of the same they're all controlled by the same people yeah cool so i mean that's pretty pretty thematic too and and one of the things is like on the right wing everyone imagines that everybody is is partisans and gop fans right but these large figureheads of the that's particularly in the patriot militia vain are certainly not yeah it's just government it doesn't matter who's in there it's simply the fact of government and it remains

to be seen if they would ever like a president yeah like maybe there are presidents in history that they've enjoyed more than others um andrew jackson maybe but they yeah certainly in in our lifetime all of them have been bad yeah and one of the things i find like really a tragedy is that i mean because bill cooper died in 2001 we have no idea what he would have thought of trump like i really right the mind reels i don't think he would have been on board i think he would have been a voice of very strong like fuck this yeah i mean anything 20 years ago it's 20 years is a long time i just don't know we can't know but i do think that if trump was elected in 2012 alex would have stayed against him yes that's what i think i you're probably right but i i think

also like you're right it is it is very difficult to tell because i think if you would have guessed at another point in time you would have said alex never would have done that yeah exactly yeah a lot of people change over over years and you're like oh your principles don't mean anything yeah and maybe maybe i'm just imagining the bills convictions were much stronger than they actually are he sounds like he feels like yeah and the fact that he died because of his refusal that one that one's tough that one's tough to get around his insistence on being a real gun dick yeah yeah that that is interesting i would be interested because i i think i'm more interested to know how he would have dealt with the years of w sure like i'm i'm more interested in that kind of

situation trump is in repair well i mean we got a couple months of it yeah maybe before he dies right we can talk about his his approach to tell me but we'll see so in this next clip bill reveals the source material of what he's talking about a nation our world of people who do not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence such people are beasts of burden and stakes on the table by choice and consent do you fit that category folks i certainly hope not because i believe we could get ourselves out of this situation if we will just open our eyes our ears and wake up stop believing what you're told and what you read and begin to find the truth for yourself what i have just given you in this past half hour is just a couple of pages

out of the first chapter of my book behold a pale horse in that chapter i published a document entitled silent weapons for quiet wars an introductory programming manual operations research technical manual tm dash sw 7905.1 it is one of the documents that was prepared for the subjugation of america by a secret power group who wants to rule the world ah so a lot of the beginning of this episode has to do with bill reading from the first chapter of behold a pale horse which he lays out his thesis largely the foundation for this worldview according to bill there's an evil group of elites who are waging a war that's called the

quiet war against the public mostly apparently to control the economy they want a completely predictable economy and the only way to do that is to remove any instability or chaos from the public the best means to achieve that is to entirely pacify and domesticate everyone to the point where even thinking of straying from the path is unthinkable everybody's cows as the story goes in 1954 quiet war was launched by people like the rockefellers and the bill de berg group along with elements of the government in order to achieve this goal this story is largely based on a document that's taken on mythic importance in the anti-government militia worlds a document i've heard alex reference many many times even to the present day like i heard him reference this document

maybe a week ago it's called silent weapons for quiet wars and bill cooper founded on fourchan right might as well have dated may 1979 the document is meant to mark the 25th anniversary of the launch of the quiet war and to describe how said war is how it's been going what strategies it employs and exactly what techniques have been used in carrying out this war oh my god are they a decade behind they might be tell me they're a decade behind oh damn it i would have been beautiful now right off the bat this just the premise of this should be a gigantic red flag and i love that you just yelled pes dispenser because it is very similar to the way that the protocols of the elders of zion makes no sense yeah actual document yeah yeah you can argue that

this document was meant to be top secret and all that but in what world does a super evil cabal put together a document that lays out literally all of their evil plans to enslave humanity just to mark the 25th anniversary of this plan being launched yeah that motivation makes no sense if you consider the actors at play it's childish we stole the powerpoint presentation right at the conference where they all agreed that we're going to do this evil plan and we've step to murder all the people all right guys next slide that got out step three how did it get out what did you leave apple share on oh no put simply i do not believe that a group that was able to secretly control the world for 25 years would also be a group that decides to celebrate that

achievement by writing down in clear writing how they've been secretly controlling the world for 25 years any group that would do the latter would be by definition incapable of carrying out the prior just does not make sense yeah so bill claims that he'd seen this document back in his days working in navy intelligence in fact he backs up a lot of his claims with appeals to having seen or being aware of things through his time in that branch of the service it's unclear if bill was actually in navy intelligence but he definitely was a sergeant in the navy and did serve in vietnam and saw conflict uh combat he got two service medals in 1969 but beyond these facts the rest of the story just comes from bill himself he's claimed that he was discharged in 1975 but it's

really hard to tell what's real and what's embellished given that it's definitely true that he's not making up his service and that he was in vietnam i'm going to err on the side of not questioning his time in uniform and just believe him for uh the most part yeah this is no steve p's in korea we're letting this one uh yeah it does not appear that he is just making shit up okay however there's a problem with his claim that he saw a copy of silent weapons for quiet wars while he was in navy intelligence and that is that it did not exist before he was discharged but he thinks it's supposed to because it's 1979 was when he's written he was discharged in 1975 i suppose he could say that the actual document is the 25th anniversary edition and he saw an

older version of it he got the first edition it was signed by rockefeller but i'm worth millions i should tell you there is no older version of course not in 2003 a man named hartford van dyke made a very credible claim to having written silent weapons for quiet wars the document had been featured in a magazine called paranoia and having read their article van dyke reached out to them by letter it turns out that he'd already revealed himself as the author of the text on a radio show in 1996 but people didn't really take notice um and if you look at the surrounding details it seems very likely that he was the author especially when you consider the apocryphal story that goes around for how the document came yeah yeah yeah in 1986 a publication called america's promise

newsletter published in arizona which is where bill cooper lived printed silent weapons for the first time it's probably worth pointing out that this newsletter was published by lord's covenant church whose pastor sheldon emory was a high-profile follower of the christian identity movement there we go weird how they keep popping up all over the place they just keep showing up yeah strange yeah they're like herpes uh-huh in the intro to the document they say it was quote found in an ibm copier that was purchased at a surplus sale i'm sorry what so this document what so okay the the globalist entire fucking rockefeller bill deberg plan somehow wound its way up in a fucking garage sale surplus sale i buy it it's important that it's a surplus sale

because the implication is that they copy they purchase this copier from the mccord air force base which is nearby and that the seller had just been too sloppy to remove the worldwide conspiracy demonstrating document that they just copied an input tray yeah i don't believe that the globalists and will leave that like like somebody you of removing their wallpaper and finding a hole with nazi treasures right it's like that's not how it works that's the what you want that's the story that they want to like trigger in your brain yeah but like it's it's nonsense it's an absurd story but one that's very similar to other origin stories for bullshit documents so many of these things have completely nonsense origin myths like how so many of larry nickle's

official documents are just things he found in his mailbox after giving out his address on alex jones' show a bunch yeah i got a larry nickle's is a ridiculous figure he's just silly all right but i mean the same thing as the background story for for the yeah absolutely ostensibly for silent weapons that story is likely not true but the story that hartford van dyke tells is a bit more plausible and that is that he was a real sovereign citizen type weirdo back in the 70s who was preoccupied with the idea that roosevelt had foreknowledge of the attack on pearl harbour and allowed it to happen to get the us into world war two sure this weirdly came up on our last episode from the present day of alex jones where he was saying the pearl harbour was a false flag

i swear to god you're a demon we've already touched on this a little bit but the narrative was popularized in 1944 when a book came out called the truth about pearl harbour by john flinn which definitely had a big impact on van dyke to refresh your memory flinn was a major player in the group called the america first committee which i'm pissed off because i'd listened back to our last episode and i kept saying america first commission no america first committee they were a group who masked their anti semitism and support for fascism by calling it anti interventionism it would probably be unfair to say that the organization was pro hitler but they definitely were pretty vocal about how they weren't anti hitler enough to think that good people around the world had an obligation to

fight him yeah the america first committee had dissolved when the u.s entered world war two but the people involved in the organization didn't just give up on their goals and one of them was to paint u.s involvement in the war as being a part of the conspiracy this large conspiracy you scratch the surface about most conspiracy theories and out and out fascists seem to keep popping up it's kind of weird yeah so this guy van dyke according to his telling of it lived in hawaii whereas father's uncle had direct involvement in the events of pearl harbour he told him about how roosevelt had three dissenting military officials held at gunpoint until the attack had happened to prevent their ability to sound the alarm that doesn't sound right van dyke wrote a

book called the skeleton and uncle sam's closet about these and other pearl harbour revelations presumably self published back in 1973 around this time van dyke got his hands on a little book called a report from iron mountain on the possibility and desirability of peace which conspiracy theorists believe is an official secret government report about how it wouldn't be good for the country to enter a period of long lasting peace the document itself the iron mountain document was released in 1967 and in 1972 a man named Leonard Lewin came out and revealed that he had written that report and it was meant as a work of political satire about how absurd think tanks are simply put it was a hoax yeah and one that suddenly probably became 100 percent real

from some dumb think tank totally yeah well I don't know about that but it became real to militia we oh for sure but I mean I wouldn't be surprised if like 20 years later a think tank came out with the exact idea in 1990 the liberty lobby the organization founded by outright neo nazi and holocaust denier willis carto began selling copies of that book the iron mountain report this prompted Lewin to sue the liberty lobby for infringing his intellectual property rights a suit that he would have won except that liberty lobby wanted to settle out of court and agreed to pay Lewin and stop selling his book sure they likely settled because Lewin definitely had proof that he had in fact written this report it's considered one of the most successful

literary hoaxes of all time and no serious person who has looked into it believes that it's real in any way so anyway van dyke read about half of this fake report from iron mountain and started to put some pieces together which ultimately leads to the inspiration behind silent weapons for quiet wars a very large part of his primary list of sources for silent weapons is references to the report from iron mountain a literary hoax gotcha in many ways silent weapons is itself a hoax it presents itself as an official internal document being used by people within a secret government program to familiarize new initiates into their program but it's clearly not to the extent that people believe that it's a real document they're falling for a hoax

although there's a very important distinction between this hoax and that of iron mountain and that's a difference of intent Lewin wrote iron mountain is a piece of satire to make people consider how absurd the arms race is and how we should consider the ways we could as a society transition to stable peacetime economies it's a lampooning meant to make the reader think conversely van dyke wrote this hoax to try and trick people into thinking that there was actually a secret government program that had been in place since 1954 to enslave the population to the author it wasn't satire it was an expression of something totally real and his intent was to persuade the reader to adopt his view of things so very different so his motivation in writing that specific piece

was to false it was to pass it off as a real document right okay so then that's that's strange to me i guess i guess what he's he's not because i feel like if you're piecing it together from other bullshit what do you mean the if you're van dyke yeah yeah if you're piecing together you're you're like this is what the enemy's plan is and has always been right and then passing it off as an official document from them then you have to know you're lying at least right well you would probably say i am lying in presentation what i'm saying is true to an extent that it doesn't matter right if no one will take it seriously if i don't present it this way but what i'm saying is true so i present it this way in order to make a splash right right attention

but it's a fundamental it's a fundamental deceit yes even from his part in order to achieve the outcome that he desires which yeah i think that's the way you could put yeah yeah okay but it's it's ridiculous if you read it it's just like who would fucking believe this yeah like one dead giveaway for anyone reading silent weapons for quiet wars something that really should tip them off that they're reading a conspiracy theory rant as opposed to a secret government product is a section called quote theoretical introduction this section begins with a most likely fabricated quote from mayor m shell Rothschild okay the way this document obsesses over Rockefeller philanthropy and the Rothschild family is a gigantic red flag that

speaks to its provenance a red flag that all these dumb dumb conspiracy theorists just seem to ignore they're like yeah absolutely secret government programs would really talk about the Rothschild absolutely yeah why wouldn't they yeah another problem they overlook is how this supposedly real document ends like this quote it's left to those few who are truly willing to think and survive as the fittest to survive to solve the problem for themselves as the few who really care otherwise exposure of the silent weapon would destroy our only hope of preserving the seed of the future true humanity dot dot dot this secret government document ends with an ellipsis either that or the guy who's in charge of writing secret government documents has a novel hidden

away somewhere that he's afraid to publish like he's got a he's a english major or it's a it's a cartoon and he died while finishing the yeah but the ellipsis is in blood yeah okay the secret government document adds with ellipsis that's ridiculous it's just unbelievable that anyone would read this and be like yeah that's legit yeah it's just screams fake even if i had no idea that van dyke had made a pretty solid public case that he'd written it so the main premise of silent weapons for quiet wars is that the elites want a completely predictable economy and so they've used silent weapons to train the population into conforming to make them predictable sure these weapons are things like paper currency social welfare programs advertising public education

there are the inputs that the government creates which then produce their desired outputs like the government controlling everything and everybody being predictable it begins as just being about the economy this document but before it's over there's so many suggestions about technology and teaching revisionist history that the reader comes away thinking that these alleged silent weapons could be just about anything of course and this is why alex will sometimes use this document as a reference when talking about things like soft kill vaccines and five g these are also silent weapons yeah yeah yeah the unfocused nature of what's being discussed allow this document to be used however the user wants it to be which is another super awesome feature of

conspiracy theorist yeah yeah yeah it's a bit rangy and it doesn't really make sense as presented but that doesn't matter it caught fire in the patriot militia anti-government circles because it confirmed what they already believed to be true namely that the government had been carrying out a specific quiet war against the population for decades with the goal of enslavement which can only be fought by fighting the government itself the america's promised newsletter published silent weapons in november 1986 and then bill cooper put it in his book behold a pale horse published in 1991 and from that point on it was conspiracy canon and it definitely proved the existence of the secret evil government programs involving rockefeller philanthropy and the dreaded roth

childs but none of it's real it's just a work of a sovereign citizen who is tricked by a well-written piece of political satire yeah when you get down to the bottom of of these sources right of information for the larger umbrella of the world views that are put out by people like bill and alex you see like oh there's nothing here yeah it's like if the onion was the reason we had q yeah it might be actually true yeah i don't know i always i always think of uh like this just really gets to me whenever you have a guy like bill cooper starting your show with like uh it's all about if you know what to look for right i'm the guy and it's like no what you mean there is if you start with what you want to find and then start looking for that you've trained your brain in a particular way

to see certain things and now everything is filtered through that lens exactly and like this is why i was saying when he he's he's saying like you shouldn't trust anything unless you research it for yourself like i don't think you practice what you preach right because this is the first chapter of your book silent weapons for quiet wars you don't like in 1993 sure hartford van dyke hadn't come out and said on that radio show in 96 that he had created this document yeah and whatever but even so if you read that the silent weapons or quiet wars you definitely need much more concrete proof that this is real and i'd find it hard to believe that over that time span nobody with a critical eye had looked into it no true and the other thing is that bill claims that when he was

in naval intelligence he saw this document that couldn't have existed while he was in the navy yeah so that part to me implies you're making that up right which is which undercuts a lot of the authenticity that i feel he embodies sure because there's also things like that yeah what was that whole cloth made up my my feel on that my read on that is no matter what you want to say you know like it requires a significant amount of ego for you and i to do this show just the idea of doing a show at all requires ego yeah but whenever you are the font of all knowledge that requires a significantly larger amount of ego yeah there's a grandiosity to it and when you're when you're that grandiose it is impossible not to self mythologize yeah so i wouldn't

doubt that he believes that he saw it but that was like a retroactive addition to you know like when you remember like when they do a true crime documentary and the neighbor is like i remembered seeing all these weird things before it happened you're like you're you're making that shit up you're revising your own history to yeah that's a problem probably a good point like yeah and with these folks too like i i know i experience it with alex a lot that's like you've told this story so many times that you perceive it to be true yeah for sure so there's two more important points that i need to bring up about this document silent weapons for quiet wars and the author heartford van dyke that i think are really crucial to consider the first is that report from iron

mountain wasn't the only thing that inspired van dyke to write silent weapons from his letters to the editor of paranoia magazine quote in late october 1972 i met a man who gave me a copy of none dare call it conspiracy by gary allen dammit the book inspired me to write my own book the book that he's referring to there is that book that he wrote about pearl harbor none dare call it conspiracy inspired van dyke to write his first absurd conspiracy book and then quote during the last phases of that book's production i began reading a book called report from iron mountain according to his letters he only got halfway through report from iron mountain but then later he was reading a college algebra textbook for whatever reason and decided that the equations were similar to

something he read in part of iron mountain it's a completely nonsensical path for him to have taken but that's what leads him to write silent weapons he read part of iron mountain then saw an algebra equation and decided he cracked the case on a secret government operation the reason i think this is important is because once again we find none dare call it conspiracy being the spark that sets off an explosion while i'm sure van dyke was not the world's most critical thinker prior to october 1972 by his own telling of things he read that book and it inspired him to create his own anti-government propaganda this is exactly the path alex tells of his own life reading none dare when he was like 12 opened his mind to the world of secret government shit and set him down

the road that he continues down to this day none dare call it conspiracy is a super dangerous book but not because it reveals the truth behind the global is secret plots it's dangerous because of its rhetorical style because the way it's written is almost hypnotic it relies on over simplifications and excessive uses of repeated phrases that almost become a chorus within the text to the point where it clearly has the potential to negatively affect people who read it if they're a little bit suggestible or if they're not prepared to deal with what they're reading critically yeah well obviously not solely responsible for this phenomenon i feel like in my experience someone reading none dare and believing it is it is an act that prepares them to uncritically

receive other anti-government information as fact it primes the pump alex believes all kinds of completely fabricated things are true because they conform to the narratives that he's internalized van dyke believed the iron mountain document is true because it conformed to the worldview he'd been initiated into even richard belzer is an example of this in our experience i i'm starting to feel like none dare call it a conspiracy is is almost like the velvet underground and like not a ton of people have read it but everybody who read it wrote their own crazy conspiracy theory book so far yeah alex has written a book belzer's written a book van dyke's written a book yeah yeah it's it's yeah it it's one of those things that like i never expected when we set out to do this show

that it would pop up in such weird places and be so influential and when i started to look into the silent weapons or quiet wars i was like ah this guy this story is wild yeah this this this is just some some guy who had some stupid ideas wrote this it's not a government document this is based on nothing um and i never expected like his interview would be like i read none dare call it conspiracy but the more i think about it and the more i experienced even the reading of that text it's excessive the the the way they're like catchphrases and like appeals to very oversimplified logic yeah that just drive home points in your head to the point where if you're reading it it does get to be like uh chorus the the chorus of the catchphrases are the things that gary allen wants

you to internalize right you do if you're not paying attention he wrote a book in almost call in response yes that kind of situation okay but the call and the response are both yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it it's uh it's the call is in the text and so is the response but as you're reading it you start you give the response as well yeah yeah it's like it trains you it's like a call away yeah when you start and everybody gets real comfortable with that and then it's either just gonna yeah yeah but there's a i mean a lot of persuasive writing is sort of in that vein to to to a point but none dare is far past uh the it's it is like i don't want to put it like too extremely but i would be comfortable saying it's almost called brainwashing uh induction kind of stuff yeah yeah it's and the

more i think about it and the more it pops up the more i realize like i think we've just got to do a full on no matter how long it ends up being because i think one of the things that's held us back from doing it is like it might be six hours long yeah i think we just got to do it because i think it's probably important to address some of this stuff but we may get to that eventually anyway the point is that this guy the first point is the guy who's inspired heavily by non-dare call it conspiracy the second point i want to make is about why hartford van dyke was writing letters to paranoia about his authorship of silent weapons well he's paranoid nope it's because at that point in 2003 the only way he communicate with anyone was by letters

because he was in prison i thought it was going to be in a forest i was going i was going the wrong direction then prison van dyke was at that time serving an eight-year sentence for fraud he and a co-conspirator had tried to pass off over three million dollars in fake currency van dyke also didn't pay his taxes for years and when he tried to deal with it by sending the irs six hundred thousand dollars of his fake currency things kind of escalated that that'll that'll like that'll color the defense team i think according to an article in the associated press van dyke quote claim to have placed three thirty three million dollars in liens against the judge's property which is unfortunately a common sovereign citizen maneuver i'm never

not going to like the balls on these people yeah it's something they do a lot they they like to place fraudulent liens on things as a weapon sure so hartford van dyke is a person with a well-documented history of very dumb beliefs as well as fraudulent behaviors he's exactly the sort of person whose m o matches up with someone who would write a document like silent weapons for quiet wars and because he wrote so what he wrote closely matches up with what people like alex and bill cooper feel is how the evil globalists work they've accepted it as gospel as an actual government document this case study example is really it's a damning indictment of these people's ability to deal with sources instead of accepting that they've been fooled by

a hoax what they do is what so many people on their side of things do they insist that every piece of information uh that proves uh that they're wrong is actually part of the conspiracy itself yeah i remember i remember whenever i still uh was was young and idealistic and i would get into these long email exchanges with my dad about how stupid uh some of his conservative beliefs were and i remember this one exchange in particular was me just sending him all of these articles and looking at how many words were hyperlinked and then he would send me the response to it and there were no words hyperlinked and there were no sources and i'm like you realize the difference there and he's like i don't believe your sources and well fucking fine that's it then

we can't agree on a baseline exactly what's the then we're done you know the other thing that you hear a lot is like yeah okay sure hartford van dyke wrote that but everything in it is true yeah exactly yeah well the he was channeling the truth on that the larger point absolutely isn't true that it's a government document made by this secret program right and you guys all say that it is the reason it has credibility to you is for something that's not true right so if you guys right you guys you conspiracy theories yes if you led with a weirdo wrote this i don't think people would carry the same way you don't think as many people would be convinced right and that's why you don't do that yeah and also there's a lot of nazis and fash it's lurking

around in the background of all this stuff that is why weird yeah i don't know why i don't know why there's all these christian identity uh people poking their head up publishing this newsletter i don't know why this guy is inspired by gary allen who worked for the george wallis camp yeah like i don't know why it just seems like all of these conspiracy theory trails seem to lead back to people who are either nazis segregationists or or both you know something that i've been wrestling with is especially with all this conspiracy theory stuff is not that these guys don't want a one world government it is that they would rather a one world government run by one guy than by 20 guys like it's a it's a almost individualistic like i want a supreme

leader who can cut through all this bullshit thing i'm sick of all these globalist discussing things fuck they certainly don't like discussion yeah but i will agree with you on that it does seem like every every one of these conspiracy theory movements really focuses on the the number of people like it's everywhere the building it's all that stuff i i think uh some of it comes down to and this would be oversimplifying it so please don't take this as like me saying this explains everything but i think that there is a strain of it that is like well you know how the european union works you know there's all these countries and there's free travel between them yes you can just go wherever you want to go with your eu passport so if there's a one world government

everybody can go everywhere yeah oh that's a good point and that would be like really bad for these people who don't like immigrants yeah non-white people being around that is a really good point i know that that's not everything that's not the whole story but it would be ludicrous for us not to accept that that is some part of it now i don't think that that's bill cooper because i uh from a lot of the stuff that i've listened to him he seems pretty emphatically non-racist yeah i don't know if he has i i don't know if it's fair to say that uh he doesn't hold racist beliefs but he is pretty vocally against racism yeah so i don't know he doesn't strike me as somebody who's one of those white nationalisty types um but i do think that there is a large contingent within the people

who are afraid of a one world government that once that is in place it's not so much that there's nowhere i can go to escape the world government it's that everyone else can come to me that's fascinating i don't think i ever took it that far as to what their fears of a one world government would be but why do you think that's about immigration no no of course demographic numbers i mean i just don't i just don't get how they don't also include geography as a an impediment to this whole i oh we get rid of borders so that means everybody's gonna come here because it's the best and it's like nah anyway um bill uh has spoken his piece uh about uh this silent weapons for quiet wars and so have i it's nonsense and his first episode the first chapter of Behold

the Pale Horse largely a thesis statement that's meant to prove that this conspiracy exists right is bullshit right so congratulations so we're off to a good start that yes coming out the gate hot yes but you don't believe in a lot of the stuff that bill does you're probably a sheeple you're probably a sheep that does sound right um and bell has a quiz for you to figure out if you're a sheeple yes please well if i know people there's a lot of you sitting out there shaking your head saying that doesn't apply to me i'm not one of those sheeple well let's find out folks and don't shoot the messenger because you can never solve a problem unless you can stare at the face and recognize it for what it is and in this case it's us let me just ask you a few questions

to find out if you are really sheeple or not the first question is do you believe in support the purpose and the article itself the second article in amendment to the constitution of the united states of america the right of the people to keep and bear arms if you do you would resist always any efforts to force americans to register their guns wouldn't you know what does it have and will never will i register my weapons so that seems to be the only question in this quiz is uh that's the only question in this quiz i might have had other subtler questions but i didn't catch them seems like it's just uh if you believe in the second amendment you're not a sheep right so i mean he is a pretty big gun absolutist in the same way that alex is yeah so you have

another uh thing there and the way he discusses some of these gun beliefs are also very reminiscent of ways that alex experiences gun issues that are that seem out of lockstep with what you see as the right you see as the g.o.p. life well let me ask you if that's true if you believe that and if you would never register your guns or support any move to register our weapons do you belong to the n.r.a and if you do why because let me tell you something right now folks if you belong to the n.r.a you have already registered your guns how does that grab you bill cooper much like alex jones is anti n.r.a yeah especially alex has gotten more into the n.r.a in like very recent days but until fairly recently and in his early career he was very anti n.r.a

he was very into people like erin zellman's organization juice for the preservation of firearms ownership and larry pratt's gun owners for america right gun owners of america he was very much against the n.r.a he felt like they were a gun control organization as opposed to being and that is not something that's very consistent in the the right wing except for this yeah wing so is bill cooper's main point here that if you are a member of the n.r.a you are revealing to the government that you have guns thus you are basically registering your guns that's one big part of it yes okay absolutely that is where the these lists will be already of piles yeah yeah and the other part of it is an argument that he has about the n.r.a misleading what gun ownership is for

which he gets into in this next clip yet they're still sending out those notices to try to recruit new members and if you notice or they're really trying to get every gun owner in the country to register their guns by joining the n.r.a they're even offering prizes to the members who bring in the most new members like the kkk says join the n.r.a and protect your right to hunt you know it's going to be easy to get rid of the guns folks if they can convince the legislatures to pass laws protecting animals and gun ownership is connected with the killing of those animals i wish somebody out there besides the very few of us who are doing the thinking would begin to think along with us so that is very similar to to alex's uh conception

yeah you know mischaracterizing gun ownership as a being about hunting can lead to a way to take away guns yeah yeah our enemy is playing four dimensional chess wherein they're supporting us with their controlled operation opposition in the n.r.a who gets everybody to register their guns and tie it to hunting and then the legislature that is there under their control also is going to say you can't hunt anymore instead of removing the needs for guns instead of attacking guns they attack hunting and then yeah because how you kill these animals it's so cruel man and it's like a trick play in football and that also largely explains why there is such opposition to things like licenses for hunting and game restrictions and and seasonal

poaching rules and and shit yeah because that's all just an attack on guns by virtue of the characterization is guns being right hunting right it's all very weird it's fun how sovereign citizens think by imagining an enemy that is so incredibly devious and intelligent they themselves are devious intelligent while at the same time not realizing that their enemies devious intelligence manifests itself in really stupid plans that don't make any sense yeah and wouldn't work and i don't think that outside of some like pretty far out circles people have a problem with hunting within reason like yeah obviously don't want to kill a population of animals like deer or something right but there is a there is a part of nature that you can be a part of yeah some people are at least

capable of saying okay if we hunt all the deer away i won't be able to hunt next year and there will be ramifications for the larger ecosystem exactly and then i won't be able to hunt that and i won't be able to do that right they can they can understand that naked self interest and how regulation is good yeah i think i think a lot of people i i think generally people are in that boat i'm not sure that i know of too many prominent voices that are like no one should hunt anything yeah i might be wrong but i don't think i've i hear that argument too much now the bigger point is that bill has this gun position that is very similar to alex's early gun position so there's just it's everything yeah almost everything is like oh this this is this is like this is alex

and obviously alex could hear alex is listening for sure of course he was yeah i mean when he had bill cooper on his show he said that as much yeah yeah so yeah um in this next clip we we find out that bill has a little bit of an organization that he runs and it might explain why he has a bad information coming in folks if you'd like an information packet and what we're all about what we have to offer some of the available material that we have uh... if you'd like information about kaji the citizens agency joint intelligence which is an organization that i started years ago and it is at this moment the largest civilian intelligence gathering organization in the world and it's also the most successful and a lot of the information

that you're going to hear on this program comes from the efforts of hundreds sometimes thousands of unsung heroes who prefer to remain in the background who are constantly gathering and sending information to our central clearinghouse where we are in the process of assembling two puzzles one is the deception what they want us to believe and the other is the truth so bill has the citizens agency of joint intelligence which is just his fucking listeners and weirdos sending him information that's not a good that's not a good clearinghouse that's not a good system no i would i would first give people a taste for about one cent and then go from there but uh that's not yeah what this is only a good system if you have intensely

rigorous standards in place for scrutinizing that information yeah you need to have a default position of everything that comes in is bullshit or else what you're doing is just saying like hey sometimes strangers send me things and i believe them yeah which he literally said his his whole thing is i have a default position of everything is bullshit so but based on that i don't believe that i exactly um i don't believe it he believes silent weapons for quiet wars is real so i don't believe that you could handle a clearinghouse of information that has tons of people sending you shit nope so you got to seek the truth though that's the that's the message or have people send the truth to you by mail that's seeking it the truth and the truth shall set

you free folks and nothing nothing else in this world will do it nothing and to find the truth you cannot believe what anyone else tells you not even me not even your mother not the president of the united states not rush limbaugh especially not anybody not your best friend where we're all manipulated we're all misled i'll say wow now i'm starting to think this guy's hurt there is something hurt we're all misled is a really fun thing to say about your best friend well no i mean we're all misled at the end of this episode about a document that he was misled about yeah like it's one thing to say we're all misled and none of us are perfect and and that that's that's all good and well sure

it's another thing to say that sort of like glibly and just be like as a toss off on an episode that you were misled about yeah like i would you if you're bill cooper would you make silent weapons for quiet wars the first chapter of behold the pale horse use it as the source material for the first episode of the hour of the time yeah and then a month later let's say be like guys i was misled about that right right right no you would never do that ever because this underpins too many of it's a keystone yeah of the the building of anti government paranoia that you're building you can't afford to question this right right so no i don't believe i don't believe the premise at all that you got to seek the truth yeah i don't believe it yeah that is it is always interesting

whenever so much of what he says is based on stuff that again you know we're all aware that something is wrong and i get where he's coming from and i get what he's trying to do but unfortunately his entire theory is built on something that's factually inaccurate and so no matter what from there on out it's color you know it's like if paul was a satanist it's building out of sand you are the rock of my church the devil you know like yeah it's uh yeah you you have your presumably honest work and digging that's based on a hoax that was inspired by a hoax yeah so what do you do yeah you got nothing if you pointed your quote on quote rigorous mind beginning from a place of reality or truth yeah maybe we wouldn't get there maybe he'd be a weirdo

militia that believed reality i don't know i don't know if that's possible yeah that's a good point so bill in this next clip expresses that uh it's an interesting approach towards broadcast that i think alex probably also believes so if you want to hear what you cannot and will not hear anywhere else i don't care who it is or what they profess their politics are how loyal they are to the constitution you will not hear anywhere else what you're going to hear on this show and you need to hear it just like you needed to hear what you heard tonight and if it made you angry then i have accomplished one of my goals because you can't stir people to action unless they have strong feelings about what you say i think that alex has a very similar approach first of all that you're

not going to hear any of the stuff that i talk about anywhere else yeah certainly that's in line then the other i want to inspire strong emotions and you yeah alex talks about that all the time about how he's uh you know i got a gravelly voice i'm abrasive because i'm trying to wake you up yeah i'm trying to evoke an emotion in you and i'm i i i disrespect that to to an extent i mean i think i i don't know i don't know if it's always wrong but when it's based on lies i think it's very wrong yeah i mean because you're trying to short circuit you're trying you're trying to take a shortcut in people's brains to get them to override their critical thinking skills right while all you're doing is talking about how important critical thinking is yeah i mean

they're they're they're cheating the game but there is a there is it is true that you cannot inspire people to mass action without an emotional element that you know that the women's march right doesn't have as many people as it does if there isn't a strong emotional connection to what's going on sure because it's real that strong emotional connection isn't there overriding the critical thinking it's there as a as a compliment yeah yeah or even a result of it yeah yeah i and i just think that i think that the strategy leading with that being the strategy of evoking an emotional response is it should go the other direction probably not good it's it's probably a dishonest strategy at its core yeah if you want if you want

good things to happen it has to begin with critical critical thinking that leads to an emotional response ideally but you know by looking at certain policies that are like you know there's no immigration at the very beginning you know iran none of these people can come in right and there's no critical thinking there it's just like emotion i i don't feel like these people are good so they have to go out yeah whereas people's reaction to that is know what you're really doing is trying to exclude an entire religion from this country and that gives me a strong emotional reaction not the emotional reaction being bad you know yeah but if you listen to our at the time and you have a strong emotional reaction and it's positive then that's great because you're just

going to dig deeper in and find the truth and if you have a negative angry if you get angry that's good too if you're angry at what you've heard you will do anything to try to prove that what you hear on here is wrong and some of it you will because some of it will be wrong because we are only human beings but most of it will always be right on the money and when it is it will turn you around and you will begin to realize that you are beginning to think for yourself and that's a revelation i'm right 99 of the times i heard exactly that i heard it you know it sometimes i'm wrong but you know even then later on it turns out i'm right and also bill excludes one possibility and it might be a very

rare response to a show which is delight and desire to learn more about the things he's talking about with a skeptical eye that is not angry nor delighted not not like an overjoyed yeah like i'm not it's a very rare response but it's the one i have yeah it's probably not good for his his bottom line although i'm not sure he's concerned about that in 2019 i doubt it i doubt it i wonder how's the state's doing i don't know probably it probably was bankrupt when he died because of all the money he owed the government yeah yeah yeah even if it what even if it wasn't bankrupt the moment the government was like oh shit you owe us a lot of money it was then bankrupt yeah so he's winding down here and giving this dismount that is like the you know we're gonna stir up strong emotions

and if you hate me you're gonna dig into this and most of the time you're gonna find i'm right sometimes i'm wrong maybe about gigantic things well i mean a big thing we're all human yeah he likes to imagine that the things he's wrong about is a date or yeah but it's no this document is fake that's the thing you're wrong about yeah oh i'm sorry i said jfk died on the 24th right you yeah yeah no it's not superficial details you're wrong about it's the whole thing it's not like i'm sorry it was lee harvey oswald by himself i apologize i thought it was the russians or whatever not of this is to say that like the government's on the up and up and you like everything they do is good right it's to say that this conspiracy that undergirds like so much of the the militia paranoia

the the the one world government fears is based on a hoax it's bogus it there's not really strong evidence of any of this so as the dismount goes on bill announces that every wednesday is going to be a special show on his broadcast wacky wednesdays yeah every wednesday night we're going to devote to that that criminal organization known as the internal revenue service and the federal reserve which is really the parent organization you see the eternal revenue service is just the collection agency for the federal reserve anyway you're going to learn about it all that's something that's not true but it's something that alex jones believes he talks about it all the time the irs is just the collection arm of the fed yeah i i can see the seeds of his own

destruction sone in the success yeah so i mean there's just constant constant like sort of like beliefs that are like that's not real yeah that alex has that you can just trace back almost directly to things that bill cooper preaches so this is the last clip and i think it also is another thing that alex has in his repertoire that bill probably has a little bit more but also i believe that's because bill was a little bit less of a coward and he was not trying to make it big is there a conspiracy yes are we being manipulated and controlled and guided into a new world order and a new world religion yes is there a group in charge of this who's been in charge all along who are bringing this about yes and i can tell you folks they're as old as man they are the followers

of an ancient religion that has persisted even onto this day oh no and these are just some of the things that you're going to learn in the future please don't say of this show the hour of the time so bill no oh okay i don't sorry no no it's esoteric mystery religion okay okay sorry it's it always it always comes back to juice man i always comes back and far be it for me to say that he's not somebody who also uses anti-semitic tropes to characterize his villain share i've not listened to enough of him to have a larger sense of that and nothing has stuck out to me as overt as a lot of alex's stuff but the episodes that i have heard where he talks about this it's straight up like babelone and mystical cult oh okay so it's but it's the point that i'm trying to make with

this is that like alex clearly believes that as well and in present day he talks about how everyone's demon possessed and it's all this the devil is an operating system that's lived on forever and and all of the history is had all these you know these it's very similar in a lot of ways but alex when he was starting up and even into fairly recent times has all been like nah that's all mumbo jumbo bullshit because he wanted to differentiate himself bill does talk about ufos bill does talk about this esoteric mystery religion stuff that's at the core of all this yeah and alex clearly believed that too yeah didn't want to admit it because he didn't want to be treated like yeah he didn't want to be put in a box that was like oh yeah you're a ufo guy oh

you believe in lizard people you believe in mystery cults from 2000 bc that are still running the world yeah he didn't want to be treated like that because on some level he knew that that was silly he wanted to back now i'm just a meat and potatoes guy yeah i'm just the guy who's out here talking about hard concrete fact documents you know that's that's the presentation that he wanted but as time has gone on that mask has slipped a ton yeah you can see that even this this sort of mystery ancient cult shit is something that he believes to and he probably always has yeah it bill was not afraid to wear it on his sleeve yeah it does seem like if i was listening to the show with an eye at his at his age with an eye towards getting into this kind of thing yeah it it's a

real short leap to go okay i'll do his show i'll reign in some of the weirdness i'll add some more bombast to counteract that you know since i'm talking about less crazy ideas i'm going to add more crazy antics to balance that out and then i got i don't know if the crazy antics were even that much of his earlier shit i guess some of the the public access just the bombast of just like just the yelling and the the the massive energy as opposed to everybody yeah and it's not it's going it's to go down it's not something that i would ever think is a like an intentional choice but you could you could easily see a way for you to fit into the market yeah for sure by taking a lot of the stuff that bill does taking a lot of the elements of this and repackaging it a little

bit maybe he had to give his dad a detailed business plan of how he's going to do bill cooper's show before he got that initial loan could be so i love this show yes i know i know i find it to be fascinating because bill cooper is trying it's refreshing to see a person who has a point he attempts to make it and even if the point he's making is dumb and the evidence he has for it is a hoax he's still trying yeah regardless of the reality or unreality of the point he is trying and there's a measure of competence to what he's doing even if the competence isn't in the the research or the sourcing or anything the presentation is competent the thing i'm struck by is how much of a statement bill is making in this inaugural episode and how complete the message is most of

the episode is how they're about how there's a secret war against the public which bill is committed to fighting against that's a point that requires some support so bill provides the underlying evidence for his claim namely the silent weapons for quiet wars document it's not real but if it were then he would have made an argument and supported it with evidence which is exactly what a show like this is supposed to do he's doing his job in the way that alex refuses to yeah or is unable to absolutely but here's there's more to the statement than just that there's another statement being made and that's served by the musical cue that he chose for the intro bill cooper played the beach boys make it big for a reason that wasn't just some arbitrary

station choice that wasn't a single it wasn't played on the radio and the album from the it came from came out three four years prior to when this episode was recorded bill chose that song to be played in the introduction for this first episode because it speaks to his philosophy from the lyrics quote have a little faith in yourself in everything that you do you know you're gonna make it big if you want to if you really want to you can make it big in the song those lyrics are about becoming a big movie star and seeing her name in the bright lights but bill is using the song to flip the meaning it's parody he's using the song about becoming a star in the entertainment industry to make a point that he doesn't want to be a star

and never will the fact that he's out here talking about silent weapons for quiet wars make it impossible that they will ever allow him to make it big the very idea is a farce but he has a little faith in himself and everything he does so bill cooper is going to make it big but he's going to make it big on his own terms it's really remarkable between his actual words and stylistic choices in this episode bill shows you who he is yeah it's it's good radio it is it's on it's kind of infuriating yeah it's kind of infuriating on a on a certain level just as like the grass is always greener kind of like we spent three years talking about that asshole whenever this asshole was available what are we doing i don't know if we'd have

absolutely no ability to wrestle with a lot of this stuff if it wasn't for that no that's that's it yeah that's what i mean when i say the grass is always greener it's not to say that this show is going to become all the hour of the time all the time now but i i want to pursue this and i have been listening to a ton of him and i'm going to keep listening to it because it really intrigues me yeah and i think that you see because we spend as much time with alex and we have such a familiarity with a lot of his rhetoric and a lot of the choices that he makes going back and listening to this stuff you just see the blueprint you see the the things that alex has stolen the things that that alex would never own up to being like this is where i got this idea from for sure and i think

the more i listen to bill the more i'll be able to be like oh that's what alex says but he never provides a source right he'll provide sources right they'll be able to track down a lot of it's almost cross referencing alex jones yeah i think we'll be able to do that and i think that that will be a much more fun wacky wednesday thing yeah and because as we mentioned at the end of this bill does talk about aliens and bill does talk about a bunch of stuff that fits into the wacky cannon i'm in for it so this will be i believe the most fertile ground and it will won't be a situation where we'll have to be cruel to the callers to coast to coast a m right we can just enjoy the man who made alex possible and learn a bit more i think i think it serves all our

purposes yeah you know we were talking about this just slightly recently of just like i i now agree with you when you said i don't agree with bill cooper but i do feel like i could sit down and talk to him yeah i couldn't talk to i couldn't sit down at a bar with alex and talk at all he's not a person no well he is a person he's a human and he has rights and all that right right he's he doesn't live or he doesn't appear to live as a full more than a character sketch yes kind of the way he carries himself and like you see it in interviews on his own show videos that he shoots out on the street and then certainly all of those situations are performance spaces yeah so you could make the argument that hey once the camera's off he is a completely different person he's thoughtful

considerate sure all that like you could make that argument i don't believe it but you could you could say that i see bill as much more of a full human yeah like some yeah like someone you could have a beer with yeah it is it's to me i just like comedy wise you can tell or i can tell doing it so long is just like when somebody walks up on stage and they start talking i'm like that's all bullshit it's an act you're that's fucking bullshit and then you can tell when somebody walks up and they're being genuine you yeah and you're like got it almost instant i felt that with bill yeah and and you know that that whole like you could have a beer with them is so used by like trying to rationalize bush yeah and war criminals in general certainly and there's an element to that

yeah like like i said there's tons of bills opinions that i i would disagree with him aggressively yeah were we to have that right but i think that he could engage in that conversation i do too now i don't think that it would be great if we sat down and i'm like hey bill silent weapons is fake yeah i don't know how that go i don't know how that beer would go but it feels like there could be a conversation whereas alex would just yell that you would eventually talk about how you're a devil and i can see it because you have a cross out yeah alex runs away alex at that bar is a coward who would run away from a actual conversation most likely and i think bill would lean into it and be like okay let's figure now let me tell you what's come into kaji yeah

all right i got a i got a letter all right bill i'm through these i'm through beers deep let's hear about kaji it's signed by the president that means it must be real all right bill so yeah i mean it's interesting and i find one of the reasons i wanted to give myself this gift is like i need i need things to inspire me like and i've realized that the things that i'm most interested in are the things that give us a larger understanding of the propaganda and the media specifically that are at the root of a lot of this patriot militia anti-communist right wing world and with alex it's so muddy now especially in the present day because everything has become so like anyone can create their own media so there's hundreds and hundreds of dumb youtube shows

that are all espousing very similar messages but back in the nineties there wasn't there were only a few shows yeah like a lot of them were on this w w c r shortwave broadcast sure but in terms of ones that are influential a lot of people don't remember and never would remember a lot of these other shows because no one was listening to them right but people in that world were listening to bill cooper this was a bit of a bottleneck for a lot of these ideas being disseminated yeah and i think that what i find particularly interesting is going back and seeing like we don't know what alex was doing in 1993 necessarily he wasn't creating a product he wasn't uh we don't have a lot of records or anything but what we can get a sense of him by is what media was he taking in yeah

and if we get a better understanding of bill cooper and the hour of the time i think it gives us a much larger picture of what has created this gross asshole i agree i like adding him to our rogues gallery uh immensely so we will see where things go in the future but until then jordan we have a website we do it's knowledge fight dot com yeah let's go on twitter we are on twitter it's ad knowledge underscore fight and i go to bet jordan we're also on facebook we are on facebook we were also on itunes or other podcast you'll have police download live review or donate or whatever we love you yeah we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i am the chairman of the citizens agency of joint intelligence andy and chan's us you're on the air thanks for holding

so alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you