Knowledge Fight - #388: January 12-13, 2020

Episode Date: January 15, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan check in and see what Alex Jones has been up to lately. In this installment, the gents find Alex decrying how California teaches sexual vampirism in school, then interviewing Richard Spencer in a horribly misguided attempt to accuse him of being "controlled opposition."

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Let me ask you a quick question. Sure. How have you traditionally dealt with being in a creative rut? I not well. Do you have any coping mechanisms? I mean there were a number of years where I was booze. Certainly that would be a go to of like I I'm stuck. I can't get anything done.

I'm not getting anything done. Why am I not getting anything done? Certainly that didn't work. No, I have no answer for you. I guess actually I kind of do have an answer for you, but it's incredibly unsatisfying. Okay. And that is just keep working. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Legitimately that's the only thing that I've ever found. I mean I guess like in past times things like meditation and mindfulness have yielded some positive results, but I would be kind of putting on airs if I use that as like an actual sure. Sure.

Sure. Sure. Sure. Actual piece of advice since it's not really a consistent part of my life. But yeah, just keep making things. Keep moving forward. It was something I it was impressed upon me and some I believe some like creative writing class I took long ago was like you can't control the quality of what you create.

Sometimes things will be good. Sometimes things will be bad, but you can control the quantity. And so if you create a hundred things and three are good, that's better than sitting around and trying desperately to create that one good thing for sure and not allowing yourself to do anything, get anything done, unless it's as good as you want it to be. So I would say that's probably the best. Just keep doing stuff. Keep working and eventually exercise some, you know, oversight of what you put out or

what you release. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. And they think that. Oh my God.

He's great. Three things. They're all amazing. That's the key. That's the trick. Yeah. So this has been my episode of masterclass. I think you did great.

Stay tuned for Gordon Ramsay. Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about just keeping on doing things and a lot about Alex Jones and I know a little bit about both right. So Jordan today. We're back on the present day. I wanted to check in since we had a 2013 episode on Monday for sure. And so I started listening to January 12th. That was Sunday's episode and I got incredibly bored and stopped listening halfway through

good call only to be hit right in the face with something terrifying on the January 13th Monday episode. Sure. And so that is what we'll be going over today. Great. But before we get to that, we got to take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are sporting the show. Wonderful.

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It'd be very helpful. Now, Jordan, before we get down to today's episode, what I thought I would do is cause some dissension in the ranks between you and me. No, I want to split the audience. Okay. All right. I have two out of context drops and I would like the audience to sound off on which they think is a better out of context drop.

Sure. Why not? So here's the first one. It is a little bit heady. You know what I really think about the world is what I say on air. I say things on air. I never say in private. This is like my secret place right in front of the whole world.

The secret place in front of what is happening. Alex's show is like what is happening? Is this Buddhism? What is happening right now? The only place you really can be private is in public. So that's the first one, right? Option one. Okay.

Here's the second option. You know, they say horses are psychic and that's been proven. Psychic horses. I'm pretty sure I know which team I'm on. Secret place in public. You're right. Secret horses. Psychic horses.

Team psychic horse. I'm all team psychic horse. Team secret public place. All right. Enough fucking around. Okay. Let's get down to business. So we're starting on the 12th because I was listening to the show and it's

interesting because this is a Sunday show that is absolutely in the mold of the we're going to soft launch some narratives. Sure. This is this is definitely that sort of Sunday show where he's doing a trial run. You know, we're not on the main show. We're only on the stations that carry the Sunday show, right? Whatever diminished viewership. Psychic horses.

Let's get down to it and see how this feels coming out of my mouth. So Alex starts a couple of narratives right at the top of the show and they're absurd. It is January 12th on the Sunday broadcast 2020. And we have definitely entered the quickening. Everything hidden is now beginning to be revealed. This is going to be a bumpy ride. California and textbooks for eighth graders officially have blood drinking and vampirism as part of sexual pleasure for multiple pages.

That's coming up. That's coming up. All right. How many years have we been in the quickening now? So many. So many years. Slowening. So this was a difficult story to tell exactly what Alex was talking about because of the

phrasing of it. It's, it's, you know, that's not super easily Googleable. Okay. So it turns out this is just an article that Alex's employee John Bown wrote for the info wars website. That's all that's going on. That's what we got. Even if you believe everything that's in John Bowne's article, which I do not, Alex is

still wrong. He's here on air saying that this stuff is being taught to eighth graders when the article specifically says that it's part of curriculum for ninth through 12th graders. Alex Jones cannot help himself. He just reflexively embellishes literally everything he talks about. It's, you just got to lie. Now as to whether or not California students are being taught about blood drinking for sexual pleasure.

I'm not sure that this article that John Bowne wrote establishes that according to bounds article. He saw a Facebook post on a page for already out. Shut the fuck up bound. This is the primary source. Fuck off a post on this Facebook page for a group called informed parents of Washington. They claimed that there was a book called sex that was on the suggested reading list for high school students ninth grade.

No. Okay. First problem. This is just a Facebook page, which is not a sturdy foundation to use as the base for your reporting. Second problem. This is the informed parents of Washington talking shit about education in California, which seems like them working across purposes.

Yeah. Doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense why this is in their purview. Well it doesn't say the informed about Washington group. It's the informed parents group from Washington. Oh yeah. They don't know anything about Washington. That might live. Yeah.

That could be an exact. Yeah. That might work. All right. I'll accept your okay. So bound writes quote to the textbook allegedly contained a chapter on anal sex and vampiric sexual practices known as blood play. First of all, this is not a textbook and even according to that article it wasn't required

reading. This is on a suggested list and if you know anything about high schoolers, most of them are not going to do much reading or homework that is not required. Also blood play is not inherently satanic or vampiric, though some participants may lick or even drink each other's blood, but my position on this is sort of like if they're doing this responsibly and both parties are into it, who cares? Alex pretends to be a libertarian. So he should care even less than I do.

The issue here and one of the reasons I could see this being very valuable as like some information, you know, being there in a sex ed program that's, you know, available to the students. Yeah. Is that kind of play can be pretty dangerous if you're in if you're not engaging in it responsibly. Sure. It's a pretty widespread kink like not super universal, but it's one that you know a number

of people have which tends to imply that it's not just going to go away if the right wing pretends it doesn't exist. So the best thing you can do to make sure people who are drawn to that kink, the best thing is to have them make sure they have all the information they need. You do not understand the right wing sex sex education. All right. First and foremost abstinence only right second no blood shame. Yeah.

The end. Yeah. I could see why you definitely don't need to make blood play front and center in your sex ed curriculum, but it feels appropriate to have some resources available for people if they want. That is fun. The idea that everybody coming into the sex ed class is already so versatile. It's like, well, we got to find something new to teach him.

I just heard about blood play on a Facebook post. Let's get on this. Yeah. So I went and checked out the Facebook page for informed parents of Washington and let me begin my review of it by saying it would probably be a bit embarrassed if I use this as a primary source as best as I can tell from scrolling all the way down their timeline. This page first posted on December 9th, 2019. So it's been about around about a year and it only has 220 followers.

It's completely anonymous and seems just to be obsessed with anti sex education news. There's very little emphasis even on Washington. So your theory about it just being informed, but not about Washington might be accurate. This is barely even a real group and info wars has picked up this Facebook post from them and relied on it to source their reporting. This is really embarrassing stuff. And later I even learned that I think the John Bowne article is based on an article on national file, which again is run by Alex's employee Tom Pappard.

So they're even laundering it through a second thing, but it all traces just back to this Facebook post. Oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we spout bullshit. Also even according to this info war story on this quote, following a massive public outcry, it was removed. That's right. They're so offended by that it was on the suggested reading list. He's not even on that list anymore because they complained really loudly.

That's classic info wars. Yeah. Just complete bullshit spin on a poorly sourced story covering a non problem that they've already got their way on the bunch of assholes. I know just a bunch of it's just never going to end. So anyway, vampires are in the schools. I bet they're super pro vaccine. I'm sure they sound like they're way into vaccine.

It's so interesting that you say that because that is the subject of the next. There we go. The next headline Alex has the UN's head officials admit major vaccine deaths and injury coverups. So that's the next. There we go. We got the UN admitting a vaccine coverup. So this article or this story appears to be based on a national file article, which again, like I said, run by Alex's employee Tom Pappard.

So this is a story about Dr. Sumya Swaminathan giving a speech. She's a leading UN World Health Organization doctor share and researcher scientist. She's giving a speech where which is basically about how there's a lack of thorough safety monitoring systems in many countries around the world and it creates optics where propagandists can latch on to some ambiguities and use it to attack vaccines. There we go. She's not saying there's a cover up just advocating that the international health organizations do a better and more comprehensive job.

So anti vex people can't wiggle into the gray areas right right right. She does say that there are deaths that could be traced to vaccines, but no one disputes that. Alex is pretending that this is some kind of a giant admission when it's literally just how medicine works. There isn't a medicine or treatment on this planet that I'm aware of that doesn't have some death toll. So this is definitely not her slipping up and revealing.

There's some kind of a cover up going on. You know it's funny to me that I think Alex prefers doctors from the 15th century who would be like bloodletting is a great idea. Leeches. Yeah. Yeah. He would tell you there was a cover up of how leeches are real medicine. Yeah.

Exactly. 100 percent. Yeah. I don't doubt that for a second. But don't play with the blood Dan. So Alex is pretending that he and his crew have been pouring over hours and hours of footage from this World Health Organization summit where this woman gave the speech, but in reality, the only thing ever produces is a video that some anti vex group that he doesn't

name created, which includes a very short clip of Dr. Swaminathan out of context. I find this narrative super uncompelling and if Alex really had some kind of a smoking gun like he's claiming he has, he would have released the entire raw footage of this meeting. Like because he's saying that they don't they're not putting it out that we have copies of what we've been going over it. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the reason he's not doing that is because he knows that the context of the larger conversation would tend to contradict the narrative that he's building and it's not in his best interest to to allow that.

Yeah. That's what happens whenever you start stealing Facebook posts from the informed parents of Oklahoma. Right. A lot worse. Anti vex shit going on there. Yeah. There's actually more to this that I looked into that we'll get into a little bit later

sort of trace down some of the roots of where this is all coming from. But for now I just found like him bring this up like this is a very uncompelling narrative. Sloppy work in his anti vex crusade but little did I know see I work quite a bit like on this show. I do a lot of reading a lot of preparation editing I do a lot of just sort of and I'm not complaining. I'm not I'm not sitting here. Of course.

But I didn't know how much more Alex works than me because I had none. I hadn't considered that all this time that like I think he's sleeping right. He's actually working. I don't believe that I'm not making stuff up here. I don't believe that he's seven ninety eight percent of the time I'm dead on accurate. But let's just move on from there. I'm just explaining to people that I don't blow smoke. I really live this.

I had eight hours of dreams last night of work. I mean I work in my dreams and they're very clarion very central and I was working the whole time on what was going to what we're going to do. I just want you to know I'm fully committed. Look I'm not one of these guys who's like real like wet blankety about the potential of the subconscious. Sure. Sure.

I just don't believe Alex was working in his dreams. I don't know. Doc invented time travel in his dreams. Does this imply that maybe he was going over some of the footage of the World Health Organization in his dreams. Maybe that might be the case either that or he was the original inventor of DreamWorks animation. There's only one explanation that I can see.

I would I would say that there's some explanatory power in the fact that he works in his dreams with the fact that he's afraid of vampires. I think that's fair. You might be able to draw a line between his obsession with vampires and nightmares that you might be having. I'm just furious that he gets a full eight hours of sleep. That makes me angry. Right.

I can't get eight hours of sleep. Brutal. Yeah. I went to bed at midnight last night and got up at two because I hadn't fallen asleep. Yeah. Right. In bed for two hours straight. Just.

Oh brutal. So like I said Alex is afraid of vampires and he talks about that a little more here. Now let me tell you the next thing why I'm so freaked out. I've known that vampirism the drinking of blood is at the heart of Hollywood. I didn't know that from movies or anything. I was in some movies got involved went there and had people tell me and then I saw it. California textbooks are now teaching eight year olds. It broke today.

It's on enforce.com to drink blood as a sexual preference and they teach them about blood play and I went wait a minute. I was told that by a former high level FBI years ago bullshit and I looked it up and there they're teaching children hardcore Satanism. I'm going to show you that too. Folks believe me. You don't want to look at it but you got to look at it because that's what these people are.

These are actual devil worshipers. Their bodies don't live forever. The spirits that are in them transcend. We're going to talk about when we come back. Immortal evil spirits are teaching your kids to be vampires in schools and oh boy. You can put dramatic music all you want over that. That's still lame bullshit. Yeah.

Come on. That is weak tea. Yeah. It's pretty. It's pretty lame. So Alex starts rambling about how you know this sounds crazy but really like this has always been the case. Sure.

Like you remember how there was that whole satanic panic in the eighties. Yeah. That turned out to be a bunch of. Oh no. You're shaking your head at me. That was true. All of that was real. None of it was made up.

Nope. No. Are you sure? No. And the FBI has admitted it. Okay. So I was growing up and I would hear the leftist propaganda that oh there's all these squares that don't want you to have a girlfriend.

Don't want you to drink a beer. Don't want you to have fun. Weird music. I am. Who is doing this? This is very strange. Who is doing this? I don't know.

Oh man. And they're all paranoid. You know, the 1980s, satanism hysteria doesn't exist. Even though law enforcement was reporting it, there were thousands of convictions of human sacrifice, murder, satanism. They would say, Geraldo Rivera, he's putting out hoaxes, none of it exists. The satanism hysteria, the satanism panic. And then those files get declassified 30 years later and it's everything that the police

were warning us about was real. So who is classifying satanic panic documents? Well, I mean, there is something, this is shorthand for something. You're just going to have to trust me on this because Alex isn't explicitly saying this in this clip. But I know from listening to his show that when he says that the FBI declassified stuff that proves this satanic panic was a real thing, what he's talking about is the recent release of the files on the finders.

This is just shorthand that he brings up all the time and any consistent listener of his show would know that when he brings up the FBI releasing files that prove this stuff, it's generally accompanied by discussion of the group, the finders. Last October, the FBI released their file on this group. They were a group that was the one of the central focuses of the last big satanic panic. I'm absolutely certain that Alex has not read these files since it's 324 pages long and there aren't any dank memes in it. That's troublesome.

Yeah. They should let Dankula take a pass at that totally if he can't edit it down. Yeah. Punch this up. Yeah. Do you know anything about this? No, I do know about the loser's weepers, but I don't know anything about the finders. They're not keepers.

Oh, okay. So according to conspiracy lore, two men were arrested in Tallahassee, Florida back in 1987 on child abuse charges. They were found with six children who weren't related to them and they were uncooperative with the police when they were asked about who the kids were or to provide their identities or anything. These men were part of a cult called the finders who were based in Washington, D.C. and they were run by someone who was called the game caller.

Oh boy. The feds would go on to raid the finders and find proof of how they operated as a child abuse ring with kidnapping and grooming and taking in children. Somehow U.S. intelligence is involved as like using them as like cutouts or something. Congress is in on it too since they're in D.C. and sure, sure, sure, sure. So the FBI files on the finders. They're pretty much a dud and it actually reveals how much of this narrative is based on paranoid fantasies that were very common in the cultural psyche back in the eighties.

There was a full investigation of these two men who are arrested in Tallahassee. The police were able to find the parents of the six children and quote the mothers were all aware that the children had been taken to Florida on a trip. They were familiar with and thoroughly trusted the men in whose care the children had been placed. The men would go on to spend about 10 days in a local jail and then were released. The U.S. attorney's office declined to prosecute the case largely because there wasn't strong evidence of any specific crime.

A special agent whose name is redacted from the files quote advised that the media blew the case out of proportion and that's basically what you find happening throughout a lot of the issues in the satanic panic. Yeah it bums me out that while it's happening people don't realize that they are redoing the witch hunt. The witch burnings like guys we've done this before even but I mean you don't have to go back that far. I mean if you just look at that like yeah no every 30 years much more easy to relate to

being in the eighties as opposed to yeah like sixteen hundreds. So I've read over most of the finders files and it seems like the conclusion one should come to is that this was a group of people who wanted to live an alternative lifestyle sort of a commune kind of vibe under the leadership of a weirdo called the game caller. Yeah I mean hey if you get it's good work if you can get it running a cult is easy stuff a apparently what do you do is you would tell people in the group things to do in order to gain experiences because he would learn through their experience love it love it. He's gamifying knowledge that's perfect somewhat I'm sure there was some like nefarious angle

to it too. Well I'm sure it was I'm sure there was not great things no no of course it was loot boxes all over again. It's entirely possible that some abuse was taking place in that environment and I I am not saying that there wasn't but also FBI investigation failed to produce any proof of it. The rest of the shit the stuff that Alex believes it's all just cultural exaggeration due to what was happening at the United States at that time with that book Michelle remembers being released and the mcmartin school trials creating a fever pitch of fear around satanic

child abuse in particular circles in our country. Yeah what happened to those two daycare people was a fucking travesty. People don't remember how long that trial was to it went on for fucking ever insane. So that's all that's going on like this is just a remnant of that and Alex is trying to re bring it back up we've talked about it even like a ways back. This has been a pretty consistent thing that Alex is into in the present day of like trying to whip one of these things. Yeah.

Yeah. So but I mean it he wouldn't have to whip it up into a frenzy if vampires weren't teaching kids vampirism in school. I really don't like it when you say that sentence and I'm supposed to take it like it's a thing that it's okay to say well I mean it's twenty twenty it's his reality next segment I will come in like a news reporter and and cover the next thing just as a father and as a human it's it's it's hard to do and then I'll tie it together with all the things that are happening but report California eighth graders taught anal bondage sex involving blood in sex ed

classes. Now I saw that national file article that was posted up on news wars dot com and I thought the hell is blood play now when I've read about that that's that's what vampires call it when they're killing somebody and sure as hell I pulled it up man and it is what you do when you're killing somebody and playing in their blood when they kill a baby rolling around and so you know I did a little bit of research on that and I was something I'd wanted to forget and it was sure as hell going on they're going sure directly to the most sick stuff they can't.

I would love to know what the research entailed there yeah I looked it up and sure enough sure enough vampires when they're killing you you know I love hearing jargon for from you know like insulated communities when you get a view inside I like to find out that that's what vampires call it whenever they're about to yeah that's totally Alex has a lot of high level vampire so that he had Van Helsing of course of course blade naturally now he doesn't hang out with blade though blade still blade still has to drink a little blood from time to time right but he's a good resource that's true for information true that's true so a lot of day walkers out I'll tell you I was getting pretty impatient with this episode

it was it was probably why because you were forced to take vampires as real I was probably about half hour in and I was really losing my will to live like I was just so I got to a commercial that Alex did this is what made me turn it off I was just like I'm not listening to this episode anymore knock on wood I am not tempting fate but everybody around the office especially folks that have worked there a long time have noticed that I really don't ever get sick now again I might get sick tomorrow because I just made that statement I'm not tempting fate I'll say that again because I am superstitious when it comes down to that Alex think that's an ad read yes so sloppy and lazy he's rambling about how a saying

that you never get sick is going to make him with gets it because he's superstitious about that you can hear from the background he's recording this in his car yeah I know that's crazy dude that's crazy look I never get sick I'm gonna make myself sick talking about my pills all right just I just put it up I just can't imagine that like I imagine now McDonald's putting Ronald McDonald in a commercial just him driving being like I'm telling you McDonald's food is the freshest now I may be wrong tomorrow I may be wrong tomorrow because you know the everyday changes everything is new try some you know what I'm I'm loving it but maybe not tomorrow you know what I'm saying anyways by McDonald's I just hit my breaking point kind

of like there's nothing good that's gonna come with this episode like obviously he's teasing he's gonna get into these vampire shit and it's like okay we've heard you do this rant before this isn't new you're just fabricating a new story to enable you to do this rant right right right to go back and play the hit so to speak yeah and so I was like I'm not gonna fucking listen to the tease for a product that's already on the market I have better things to do than wait around for that so I jumped to Monday's episode and holy shit the individual that I believe is controlled opposition Richard Spencer on the show no nope that is you you know the okay to not see guy I don't think it's okay to punch anybody who hasn't

punched you first but unless they're not my god just reeks of being synthetic so when Alex first said that Richard Spencer was gonna be on his show I thought yeah it sounds about right Alex's show is in the middle of spiraling the drain of plausible deniability so why not make some of this shit super over yeah then Alex said that he's having him on because he believes that Spencer is controlled opposition which could look like Alex having him on for a confrontational interview but I assure you that Alex is not equipped to have that kind of interview with a slick media polished bigot like Richard Spencer do you not think that Spencer has been called controlled opposition like a thousand times by now do you not think he

has a million deflections and rebuttals to that criticism at this point I've seen Richard Spencer in a number of debates and conversations both friendly and in hostile environments and when I heard Alex tease this interview all I could think is that this is going to be a disaster Spencer is much better at rhetoric stuff than Alex and Alex is very gullible I just imagined Richard Spencer becoming the like new geopolitical expert and Alex's whack pack yeah for sure for like honestly that's how badly I first saw this going like he's going to give him a job I see this ending the way that uh Stefan Malinu's special report in Poland ends where he's just like Alex is just like you know what you convinced me I'm a Nazi now in reality let's just cut through the

bullshit I think Alex is probably having Spencer on mostly because Spencer recently tweeted that he regrets ever supporting Trump they're now on opposite sides of the white identity scene so there needs to be some kind of a smoothing that out a meeting of the minds if you will that that's the sense I get of what probably precipitated this and also they're both pathetic enough at this point in their careers that they would appear on the show together yeah yeah yeah they deserve would not have happened a couple of years back in other career circumstances right right right like back in 2017 20 maybe even some 2018 2016 Richard Spencer would have seen himself as being so far above going on Alex's show he would never he would not have done it he got profiles in major

times yeah the times did a fawning Nazi's dress well yeah and at the same time at that point Alex wouldn't have seen himself as being in a position where having Spencer on could be anything worth doing can't go full Nazi yet or even like it's not worth it to even if I'm going to present him as false opposition or whatever sure sure that's not even in my best interests now neither of them had a stake in that and now their lives have derailed to the point where it's like fuck it I'll go on in four yeah fuck it I'll talk to Richard Spencer I got nothing better to do yeah so we know that Alex has had David Duke on the show yeah and so this is sort of a second run yeah yeah and interestingly Alex talks about that about how like

Spencer Richard Spencer is probably the most famous white supremacist in America outside of David Duke right so Alex has some things about David Duke and keep in mind he's not defending David Duke sure Richard Spencer other than David Duke is one of the most famous white nationalist white supremacist in the world and I do not believe David Duke is a fed I do not believe David Duke is an operative for the deep state I don't agree with David Duke on a lot of things but for the media to demonize David Duke and call him the worst person on earth because he is racially based when all the minority groups are being taught to be just as racist but that's supposedly acceptable is a fraud and and I'm not here defending David Duke David

Duke's attack me before Alex says he's not defending David Duke but that's exactly what that is a defense of David Duke you might recall that in August 2015 Alex had David Duke on the show in an interview that I'm sure Alex thought would be his big chance to prove that he wasn't like Duke it was a miserable failure because David Duke is a guy who's been attacked for his horrible positions for decades and through that he's gained a little bit of an ability to out argue people who aren't prepared for debates what I find very interesting is that here in 2020 Alex is saying that he doesn't agree with Duke but that Alex is against the media saying Duke is banned for being racially based when all the other races are racially based this is interesting

because when David Duke was on Alex's show just four and a half years ago Alex made the exact opposite argument to him Alex's this big disagreement with Duke was the fact that Duke was racially based and that focusing on race was a globalist distraction that's all changed now and Alex is okay with racially based identification and grouping this is a fundamental important pivot that Alex has made whether or not it reflects his true opinion or not in 2015 prior to joining up with Trump Alex's show is explicit in its position that grouping based on race was a globalist trick now Alex thinks it's cool for David Duke to do what he does because he feels that other races are doing the same thing Alex's show has always been profoundly racist and white identity

heavy but that change in presentation I think is important to note yeah the only things they disagree on now are like seafood choices optics like Alex doesn't like oysters you know optics of seafood choices yeah David Duke does love Halal it's weird he's got a weird thing so David Duke is not a fed he is not fake but Spencer is sure with Richard Spencer the guy is as phony as a $3 bill and I'll just say that up front he's wants to come on the show and I'll say it he acts and looks and behaves and his MO is just like somebody that's controlled opposition I don't have proof of that no shit you don't that's great yeah I'm pretty sure that means

that Alex is going to spend all of his time agreeing with Richard Spencer but still being like yeah but you're here to make us look bad it doesn't go great yeah we'll get to that when we get to it oh boy but yeah I think the theme is pretty well spelled out in that clip and that is that I have a vague accusation to make but I have nothing to base it on and that will be very easily dismissed yeah that's kind of what's going to happen yeah so Alex gets back to this UN vaccine story and the reason that I'm you know taking one from the 12th and here one in the 13th is that when he was talking about it on the 12th I didn't really know how to get a handle on what he was talking about I don't really understand where this information was coming from necessarily

but when he brings it back up on the 13th he gives a little bit more detail and he gives me a way in we've now gone over the 20 hours of it it's linked on Bandai video under our report to them to the full video on the UN site before they take it down so Alex here is saying that he's gone over this 20 hours of footage from the World Health Organization summit about vaccines and that he's going to link the videos on band.video great that's all I wanted I don't mind going over hours of footage to get a better understanding of what's going on here like imagine my excitement when Alex made that announcement he's got the links up for the the video awesome so I run over to band.video in the first video about the UN vaccine shit that I click on only as a link to the info

war store on it and that is not going to be helpful so I click on a second video that Alex put out about the this story and that one does have links but they aren't links to 20 hours of footage there are two links one is to a two-minute 49 second clip of Dr. Swaminathan which is devoid of context and meaningless the second link is much more relevant since it's clearly the entire source that Alex is working off of this is a nine minute video that highlights multiple short clips from the summit it was a video produced by a show called the high wire with del big tree which appears to be largely a show that produces anti vex content sure for some insight they had Andrew Wakefield as a guest four months ago which is a bad that's good that's

everybody agrees that he is still the foremost expert on why you shouldn't take vaccine sure del big tree is a one of the producers of the pseudo documentary vexed which pushed the discredited wakefield vaccines cause autism narrative big tree has no medical education or training he is a tv producer who formerly worked on the dr. Phil show who eventually learned about Andrew Wakefield and was swayed by that bullshit and went fully down that road in march of last year big tree caught some heat from Jewish organizations after he gave an anti vex speech wearing a yellow star meant to compare the plight of the anti vex community to that of jews during the holocaust i would i would i would say it was right for him to catch gold star work sure buddy big tree is

the founder and ceo of the inform consent action network an anti vaccination group one of the most prominent in the country he started the group in 2016 receiving a one hundred thousand dollar grant from the cells foundation a charitable organization run by bernard cells and his wife lisa who coincidentally is the president of the inform consent action network in 2012 the cells gave two hundred thousand dollars to andrew wakefield's legal fund which kicked off a rash of big dollar contributions to anti vex efforts and went on to provide much of the funding for that pseudo documentary of his vexed which was produced by del big tree it's important to remember that rich people are all fucking stupid it's also important to remember that 2012 is two years after

wakefield was convicted of professional misconduct and had his license revoked so it's not like he was a guy in good standing that these people just wanted to support according to business insider one million dollars or three quarters of del big tree's budget came from the cells foundation in 2017 and that isn't even close to all the anti vex stuff the cells foundation has supported they've given millions more to other outfits that spread misinformation about vaccines to the point where it would be pretty fair to say that without their money funding a lot of this stuff anti vex shit wouldn't be nearly as prevalent as it is it's unclear exactly what their motivation is in spending millions of dollars to push debunked and discredited science but what is very clear

is that these are the people who are largely behind the popularity of anti vex narratives people like alex love to pretend that it's all just a grassroots thing where normal everyday people were given a voice through social media and that's why the conversation is happening but it's not it's well funded backed by these multi millionaires that's so frustrating that we always get you know like so many people like to mock that that that white lady who's like oh i don't want to know i don't believe in that and home birth and i goop and all that shit whenever it's fucking these people who are the issue it's it's it boils down to like who is astroturfing what and why are we making fun of the people who got tricked by it instead of going after the people

who are tricking people right you know yeah that's why that's one of the reasons why i generally try to approach some of the stuff with more empathy than some people think is appropriate and you know i'll take that i'll take that criticism as being fine but i disagree yeah that's it's one of the i mean like obviously that person that that's been tricked by this is still perpetuating and pushing you know narratives that could have the real world effect of people being heard or absolutely absolutely so it's something to take seriously yeah they're not absolved of all right right yeah so alex didn't watch 20 hours of footage from these hearings he watched that nine minute video released by del big tree and pretended that he'd done the work he accepted

the out of context snippets from big trees video without question and presented this as a gigantic bombshell and on top of that alex is presenting this and like as investigative work that he's doing when in reality he's just regurgitating propaganda put out by a multi-millionaire funded anti-vax front group it's dude's the worst i mean it's just it's it's so apparent he watched all 20 hours in his dreams dan he did his dreams you can watch 20 hours of footage in only eight hours of dreams it's the dreamscape the cells foundation paid for those dreams yes so anyway he can go fuck himself yeah and i mean it just leads to a breakdown kind of of like just complete vaccination lies yeah and like science lies you know back in the 50s they gave

millions of american women and french women and british women and german women a type of uh tranquilizer what type and it caused hundreds of thousands of children to be born with tiny little arms and legs do you not remember the name of that you know but they admitted it and pulled the drug off the market there have been thousands of drugs that they've pulled but see not vaccines they don't ever pull any of them they just keep giving them to you and telling you nobody ever got hurt so alex has no idea what he's talking about in terms of vaccine recall no go ahead and confirm that alex is 100 correct he's not no vaccine has ever been pulled he's not correct happens all the time yeah and it can come in a bunch of different forms

in like in one instance they there might be a recall on a specific batch of a vaccine due to internal quality assurance testing indicating there might be a contamination or some other concern this happens not super regularly but you can find plenty of examples of it in other cases a vaccine might be discontinued because a better vaccine's been developed or it's just not effective anymore other times there are reactions that are not anticipated and oftentimes can't really be anticipated that are discovered after a vaccine begins being used for instance in 1976 there was a fear of a potential epidemic strain outbreak of swine flu at fort dicks in uh new jersey scientists at the cdc went to work on creating a vaccine due to the severity of the possibility

of what could come once flu season came after administering the vaccination program it was found that a small number of people who got the vaccine had come down with gion beret syndrome and the timeline of the condition made it possible that there was a connection between the syndrome and the shot there was no causal link established but the perception was made by the media that the shot had caused the gion beret by december according to the cdc quote federal health officials decided that the possibility of an association with gion beret syndrome and the vaccine however small necessitated stopping immunization there are other examples but uh there's one of them so what alex is saying is a lie health officials are absolutely willing to

pull a discontinued use of vaccines nothing alex is saying is based on anything he just feels like they never pull vaccines because that better conforms to his dumb worldview that everything is against him and everything's a plot right it's bullshit great yeah that it's just like the best response to uh uh some some kids remembering some fake bullshit is to create a santic satanic panic across the entire country it's also a good idea to confuse correlation and causation in any and all scientific possibilities right and then you also want to take correlation causation and then also just lie on top oh absolutely that's yeah and the media should accept your claims and just spread it as far as and wide as possible and if there's a way to demonize

a vulnerable population oh that's the best way right oh and it's the same laugh saying open the borders and bringing people from the third world they're absolutely infested with communicable diseases and then when there's outbreaks of those in vaccinated populations they point their finger at us and say it's our fault even though later you read the fine print they go well the big outbreaks in new jersey and new york we're from illegal aliens brought in from central and south america yeah no kidding if you actually read the actual fine print you'll know that alex is just baking up a part about undocumented immigrants causing outbreaks we've been over this a bunch but what he's talking about is that measles outbreaks uh those uh what's happened last year yeah some of them

were thought to be caused by people who had traveled overseas to areas where there were outbreaks for instance the orthodox jewish community in new york's cases were quote brought on by travelers who'd been to israel according to the pan american health organization there's a big difference between people traveling and immigrating alex doesn't care about this distinction he just sees what he decides to pretend as fine print saying that there may be a foreign origin to some disease in the united states and that's automatically understood to be undocumented immigrants being carriers of disease that the left is bringing into the united states to attack white people if alex were really interested in these sorts of issues i would expect that he should be covering how they're you know

there's severe overcrowding in detention facilities near the border that's led to internal outbreaks of mumps and chicken pox but i never seem to hear i'm caring too much about that i don't know if i've ever even heard him bring it up i really feel like a simple rule for all media should be uh did gerbil say that and let's not say that yeah that gets to my larger point that i want to make and that's that alex is gearing up to interview richard spencer a noted white nationalist and here he is yelling white nationalist shit about immigrants bringing in disease i he can he can pretend all he wants that there's a relevant difference between him and spencer but there's not he literally said immigrants are infested with disease communicable disease yeah yeah yeah

so now we're going to introduce richard spencer who is controlled opposition to make us look bad right good yeah good so alex gets into uh some more dubious science stuff just about how china is making all our pills and that's bad sure really big report on that china makes the majority of our drugs and then they dump deadly fentanyl that's the number one killer in the u.s right now not true that's right number one cause of unnatural death uh is is uh absolutely not just fentanyl alone it's it's surpassed automobile accident deaths that's our chatcom friends alex has a really interesting angle here on pharmaceuticals in china i'm going to read to you here from an article on info wars quote if we are dependent on china for thousands of ingredients

and raw materials to make our medicine china could use this dependence as a weapon against us while the department of defense only purchases a small quantity of finished pharmaceuticals from china about 80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients apis used to make drugs in the united states are said to come from china and other countries like india oh wait i'm sorry i mixed up my notes that was from an article in the council on foreign relations website published on august 14th 2019 whereas alex just yells about these sorts of issues his big villains the cfr explore them in far more meaningful ways for instance this article points out just in that quote that i read that these raw materials are coming from quote china and other countries like india that 80

percent number is not all just from china it's the amount of apis that are imported as opposed to being domestically sourced which is totally different this article discusses how we're almost certainly also overestimating the number of these ingredients and the amount of it that's coming from china saying quote as of 2018 china claimed 13.4 percent of all import lines defined as distinct regulated products within a shipment through customs among countries that export drugs and biologics to the united states so it's probably lower than yeah you even assume cool alex's version of the story is certainly more exciting and it'll drive more clicks and pill sales but it's dumb it doesn't reflect reality or any careful analysis of the subjects he covers but the evil writers for

the cfr do engage in a little bit of that look at things from different angles and what have you also alex is completely making up that fentanyl alone is leading unnatural cause of death in the united states that's insane he has no data to back that up he's just a real piece of shit co-opting people's deaths to push his efforts to attack china go fuck yourself i wouldn't be surprised if cops killed more people than fentanyl last year so uh in this next clip um i don't know alex jumps to cultural issues trump tries to write ads that say we're looking for strong women and facebook banned that saying people that weren't women saw the ad it hurt them to hear about women just like city buses in a major u.s city last week and london's doing it banned the

word mother and banned the word female and banned the word girl these are all being banned because those are those are the new inwards too you're like oh boy it's like a joke no it's a scientific takeover i legitimately have no idea what alex is talking about with his bus shit i can't find any proof of a major unnamed us city or london banning feminine words from their buses i guess if he can prove it or give me a source i'll look into it but for now i just think he's talking shit yeah i couldn't even find an article about this on info wars but to be fair his site is almost unnavigatable so i don't know if it's there and i just couldn't find it or what but i can't find

anything about this we have been hearing about people banning the word mother for seven years now at least yeah you purple penguin no kid so this is the the same thing is true for the trump ad at least it's not that i can't find any proof of it it's just that it's bullshit yeah alex knows damn well that ad got pulled because it said the trump was quote looking for strong women like you it had nothing to do with the women part it had to do with the you part that was counter to facebook's ad policy you can't target advertising of people like that and trump's campaign had every reason to know that this was against the policy this is just in turn like intentional obtuseness because it plays better to argue that facebook won't let trump promote to women than it is to say

trump doesn't know facebook's policies and he broke the rules anyway i don't know this cultural stuff is very soft yeah it's very weak yeah but it gets interesting okay a little bit all right i don't know i i think that what alex is talking about here is like you know you can have i don't know your phone will make montages of photos that you've got sure right you know like i don't know how to set this clip up because i have no idea what he's talking about okay but i believe that there's probably a real thing here you know because i've seen facebook do this you know like you're yeah sure sure sure and it'll automatically generate like pictures uh from that you've posted over the last year you know it'll do stuff like that right so i'm assuming it's something like

that that he's talking about but his angle on it is lunacy this is completely insane the fact is i have one of these devices because of its uses but i know what it does when i put it in a faraday cage when i'm not using it what this little blocket pockets we sell it in forestore.com don't know if that's a faraday cage you sell faraday cages quote unquote but have you noticed that if you have a droid or you have an apple but particularly apple that for a couple years it's been doing this but now it's getting really good at it it takes your photos of say your baby or your wife or your husband or a certain trip you went on and it puts together really good timelines that are as good as a human can do i mean some of

these look like steven spielberg directed them with the music and just how they do things right at the perfect time and then your baby daughter says one little thing right at the end and i went back and looked on my wife's phone at this at the thousands of photos and videos and it i mean it really picked the very best stuff very very frightening it's not being done locally on the phone this is just the interface to the big ai system it's being done in beijing where the main computers for apple are held so just say i'm old i'm old that's all i hear there i'm old and i don't understand i would assume the reason that they're the the higher quality photos and like they chose the best stuff is

because you've interacted with that stuff more than the photos that are like ah that was a mistake you sent it to more people or whatever there's some sort of a metric that is like oh there's more engagement on this therefore it the the phone or facebook assumes this is something more important to the person that may that is a very easy explanation for this that doesn't involve over complicated ai in beijing right right right but no no no is there something that it points to being disturbing perhaps later on yeah you could take a look at that things are becoming far more complex and ai is coming for our jobs and yada yada yada you can go on that tip not the beijing is controlling your phone right it's also because of alex's

misunderstanding of the uh like he thinks that all all of our phones information is in china yeah as opposed to the reality of that story which is still not good no i mean it yeah the the future is more terrifying than the nineteen fifties people could have imagined right but you don't you don't need to escalate it like the that doesn't get us anywhere no no no it's eighth graders embellished has to lie yeah it there is no way around it like every single story alex tells there is a necessity to amplify sensationalize yeah even if like what the fuck who cares like they're teaching ninth graders to be vampires why don't you just go with that yeah that's that's what's the difference between thirteen and i don't that serves the same purposes do you think

that someone in your audience isn't going to be like oh it's a freshman okay well yeah don't no no no no big deal alex they're in high school yeah come on man you were you you bragged of sleeping with like a hundred women by the time you were fourteen or whatever it was satanic rituals exactly how dare you kids grow up fast yeah i don't know it's just completely unnecessary it reminds me of like pathological liars yeah just people who lie about things that have no consequence it reminds me of uh mike verbigulia is bit about the the guy in his school who used to just lie about stuff that nobody even cared about exactly pathological yeah yeah my my my my cousin is a frank balms boogie boogie you know and it's like why are you lying about that to eighth

grader or to however old we are you know yeah you just has to got to so there this is scattershot shit like it's all over the place talking about like anti vex stuff chinese pharmaceuticals your phone creating photo montages sure so alex talks a little bit about climate change stuff oh no is by shing is Beijing making collages of climate change they're probably involved i think so he has like a big narrative about like there was a facebook glitch that revealed that gretta thunberg's dad runs her facebook page and she addressed that by you know saying yeah i use his account to use this facebook page he's the administrator of the page what's the big deal yeah it so anyway i don't care about that not at all age with that at all this clip just involves

alex talking about how climate change exists in order to create a priest class that will eventually lead to us sacrificing babies okay now does steve pacanik become a duke in this scenario yes okay only i wouldn't even keep that in if this was that was all okay he's he weaves into a bible story no and i think midway through talking about it he realizes like it means the opposite of what he wants it to mean and he might not remember some of the details if you believe the carbon dioxide is so evil a trace gas well if china has unlimited release of it nobody wants to cut theirs why do we have to cut ours because it's about economic warfare it's about control and it's about dumbing people down with the superstition like the ancient Aztecs and the ancient druids and others did saying

the sun didn't come back today because you've been evil so do what the priesthood says and people would believe that they were at fault and would do whatever the priest class said even unto giving the priest class their children in every culture for human sacrifice on the old testament abraham oh here we go this is human sacrifice when god says get your son up here and kill him your firstborn that son you want it so bad come on oh you're forgetting the and then god stays his hand or the angel stays his hand that's because in every other culture and society that's what went on do wow that pause there is indicative of alex being like wait abraham was going to kill isaac that was his plan the whole

time yeah just just because god told him to for no reason yeah he was going to do it yeah that was his plan shit but the angel stopped him so i guess that's fine right that's almost throw away there yeah so also he was the one who said he went apeshit at fucking stonehenge yes he loves the druids loves him he loves the druids can't get enough of it it's serious thing you got violent exactly because thirty percent of people experience psychotic right that's right when they cross thirty percent of people yep yep so it's interesting that alex is saying that this priest class exists that tells you the things you can't observe are happening you know like you know that they know when an eclipse is going to happen and they

they say they're going to black out the sun if you don't do what they want right but we do know what an eclipse is going to happen well but not back then no they did not no not the not the pedestrian people who are foolable by the priest class ah i got important okay so that's the metaphor that he's making that like these authority figures will tell you things that you can't prove or disprove in order to manipulate you into doing things i find that very funny considering this next clip what are evil spirits just things we can't see but science now proves that they're something holding this dimension in that's many times stronger than the dimension that we're in the dark matter what we can't see is many estimates five ten twenty times stronger

they can now read it with devices read what they've now proven all these dimensions below and above and around multiverse and there are entities so science is evil spirits oh science has proven evil spirits so you've got to buy some pills that's that sounds right you know what evil spirits actually science has proven this i don't know if you know this iodine fends off evil spirits i did not know that i did not know that i know they prove that the soul weighs seven pounds or something like that right right yeah iodine makes it a little more it's a little yeah yeah yeah you only lose five pounds whenever you end up that soul wow so that's fucking stupid alex is obviously really anti-climate change guy he's really in in favor of coal um and all that and we know that

but this next clip i thought was a really extreme version of him expressing his feelings on the subject there aren't fossils of alligators and crocodiles and camels yes there are in the sahara crocodiles it's the bones of them five six seven eight thousand years old the middle of the sahara desert was a freaking jungle those plants grow faster and are healthier and higher carbon dioxide the truth is the planet's dying and right at the time we found the carbon and sort of putting it back up in the atmosphere really god's plan for us to geo engineer and save the planet right at this time wait so we need to shut down that process that god had waiting for us now whether you believe in god or not you understand me i think i do a little

but also no if i understand correctly not only is he denying climate change but insisting that we need to pour more carbon into the atmosphere totally in order to fulfill god's plan of geo engineering to make sure that camels can be in the sahara i got to say i've generally been on board with you and your climate change stuff but what alex is saying here just makes that makes too much too much it makes too much sense you're right god left that cold down there for us to burn in order to save the planet it just makes sense so it's a grand plan and you and gretta are out there trying to stop us from doing god's i i get it to geo engineer and save the earth you know what i was what's the earth dying from though hmm what what do we need to save the earth from

from not having enough carbon let me tell you about abraham i don't know oh boy that is a good question i don't think he explains that i don't think that that and yeah i mean the sahara is a pretty interesting thing and as much as like from some of the articles i was reading they were saying it goes through like 20 000 year cycles yeah it's a savannah and then a desert right and then you know that there's some parts of that that's natural i do think that isn't relevant to the larger conversation i do think he's revealed that he's a young earther right because he's saying six seven eight thousand years ago so i think that's about when the last time it flipped sure sure but i think what he's describing

based on what i'm hearing is the massive carbon dioxide in the air during what was it the cretaceous or whatever all the plants grew so big that's why the dinosaurs could grow so big so he's like see more carbon in the atmosphere is good for you maybe i'll admit that i'm not really well read on that subject sure and i'm so i wouldn't really be able to assess whether alex is in line with that i'm not positive from what he's saying and because the last time the sahara was into desert yeah like when it desert desertified yeah or whatever is around that time frame that's kind of how i read it all right but your interpretation is entirely possible i just i can't say either way i just see him thinking that the dinosaurs are only seven or eight thousand years that is

possible yeah so in this next clip alex gets back to the australian fires and we know he has a bad perspective on s and it turns out his perspective gets worse oh has it and so paul watson links directly to the police department press releases and a newscast about muslims being arrested and indicted for setting fires they believe and they're laughing outside the courts and muslims are posing in front of noterdame laughing and and the guardian says that's a fake photo snopes says that that's a fake photo in paul wars puts out a fake photo uh that they got from sputnik the russians turns out sputnik got it from a major photo public library paid for it and we carried it too i got to say i definitely saw this development coming yep when i first go like covered this narrative

on alex's show i read paul's article about the australian fires and he didn't link to any police reporting it was just one tweet from seven news that he was using as a source now however uh you know the narrative is pivoted and he's blaming muslims so i thought why not see if paul's written a new article and see if there's any updated information i went to summit dot news and the only thing i could find is a new video the paul shot with the title quote who started the australian bushfires with the subtitle quote the question the media won't ask this is some edgy stuff man is it god it's edgy are we sure it's not a laser that could be a laser could be a laser freaking laser it could be a freaking laser yeah it's just you know paul's standard mopey ass stuff the first

five minutes of the video is paul getting really defensive about how people criticized him for writing that muslims celebrated the noterdome fire when he he had strong evidence like facebook comments yeah he then weaves in a bright barred article that involves some official from israel saying that arson can be considered terrorism and a daily mail article about isis using fire as a weapon in syria all of this is to imply that the fires in australia are muslim terrorism right it's not even close to subtle wow this insinuation that he's engaging that's that's brutal that's just brutal oh it gets worse hold on after rambling about isis using fires as a weapon paul as if he's a man working for a dude who's getting sued by literally everyone says and i quote it's not

to say there's any evidence that this is taking place in australia but a zebra can't change its stripes i here's the full quote i just here's the full quote quote that's not to say there's any evidence that that's taking place in australia but we have to ask the question oh my god to translate that means i have no reason or proof that muslims have anything to do with these bush fires but uh the only reason i have a career is to satisfy bigots so i need to try and make some kind of insinuation here to keep them happy yep this is legitimately sick shit and you can see how this pipeline works paul does this mealy mouth we got to ask the question shit and then that's taken by alex who pretends that it's reporting and that it was muslims the only

thing paul has to go on here is a gateway pundit article about a couple of muslim teenagers who are arrested for starting a fire paul is uh is walking that suggestiveness line as always trying to play with the edge of uh are these kids or secret terrorists unfortunately he's super sloppy and he accidentally flashes the article up on screen including the portion of the article that says quote the brothers set off fireworks that started a park on fire probably sounds like it's kid shit his big angle is that this picture of one of them is they're apparently laughing after they get out of court and to that i say who cares yeah would paul cover it if it was a white kid who was arrested for starting a fire laughing after he got out of court would he do a fucking

10 minute video about how this kid might actually secretly be a member of some white extremist group it's like have doubts that he would i don't think he would i just don't think he would dan yeah also i think alex just admitted in that clip but he didn't pay to use that photo that he stole from sputnik i'm pretty sure that's true and also i read the snopes article about the notardom misinformation and they don't even mention info wars they don't even mention whatever picture alex is talking about they're more concerned with an obviously doctored video that was making the rounds where someone put audio people yelling a la hawk bar over video of the cathedral i have no idea what alex is projecting about here but if i had to guess it's the stress that's brought on by two

decades of being full of shit yeah man that remind because that's such the like they just put out a the results of a poll where a massive amount of people think that aran aran already has a nuclear weapon right because so does alex by the way yeah of course he does because of that disinformation and just the the mashing together it doesn't matter if you're saying that they do or not just put them right next to each other often enough just like with this did muslim start the fires in australia that is the question just repeat that question and people won't even bother answering it they'll just assume that it's already been answered inquiring minds want to know exactly hey exactly the word on the street is people are talking about it yeah and three years from now

you're like hey do you remember when the muslim started those fires in australia and you're like no no no you just you didn't even bother answering the question yeah yeah bastards right so alex teases this interview with richard spencer some more and i think it's really important to understand how he thinks this is going to go before it actually starts and there's some interesting wrinkles here i'm i should be less surprised how much racism we've already got in totally for richard totally i think that's also really important to point out wow richard spencer one of the most famous white nationalist in the country is going to be joining us now the most famous and i think guys are spawning it's a three dollar bill

but that's kind of like you know being in somebody's house and that fruit looks like it's plastic and of course you walk over it's plastic maybe my eyes aren't so good maybe he's for real but i think can we get queued up uh richard spencer getting slugged which i don't agree with so i i get this sense that alex is like he thinks that he's going to have like this gotcha moment where he's like you work for the globalists and then richard spencer gonna be like like i think he thinks that that's maybe a possibility you really think he believes that he's gonna no but i think he thinks that he's going to be in charge of this conversation right right alex thinks that he has the upper hand somehow oh that's a terrible and that's foolish

but secondly i get a sense listening to the way he's framing this that there's almost a disappointment in the idea that he's fake yeah we'll see if he's real yeah we'll see if he's for real almost like it would be good if he's real yeah well you want that apple looks fake but you want it to be real dan right you want that apple to be real uh-huh because you're friends with that apple and you're also a nazi we'll see if he's real so alex goes to calls a little bit before talking to spencer and this caller is talking about how you know like immigrants that come into the country there's a vote however they're told um this is this is a weird thing because this caller has a perspective that alex should disagree with right not that part but no no that party's

right on both yeah this is this is weird and most people don't have safety nets they're working in the fields and they're slaves but they're slaves for the hillary claim and they vote how they're told and they're brainwashed to be racist and they eat white people and so that's why until that brainwashing stops we have to get control of that and then trump has to bring those folks out of the shadows and that's what he said he wants to do and just like abraham lincoln was attacked i mean if you go back in history you see what they called abraham lincoln and made front of him you know you know i i think that if this guy paid attention to alex's show he would hear what alex calls abraham lincoln what alex is not in favor of abraham lincoln no he was a alex

thinks he's a hero who just suddenly for no reason decided to fight his ancestors who alex also is alex and guests like steve pecanic i mean just like within the last week steve was talking about how bad abraham lincoln is the info wars line is fucking confederate this guy should understand like to be like oh yeah yeah they're saying bad things about trump but you should see what they said about lincoln back in the day as if to imply what lincoln did was good and misunderstood at the time right right no no you're calling into a show that would say all of those things about lincoln and if you were and if you were listening to that show back then you would call in and talk about how much you hate lincoln totally that's what you would linkin would be there obama right so

we get now to sort of the intro the preamble to talking to richard spencer and alex seems to think that um he's on this whole thing where it's like richard spencer is a liberal really right oh boy it's he's bought into that framing a little bit richard spencer when we come back after this one minute break uh is here to come on the show you know most liberals and socialists will not come on the show but i mean i would call him a national socialist myself uh and he's really been angry at trump and so we're going to be talking to richard spencer so i think that's ludacris for a number of reasons um but leaving those aside right i'm i want to give a real important caveat here and that some of the things that i'm going to end up saying sound positive about richard spencer

hopefully and they are not okay i think this guy's a pile of shit yeah i think he sucks yeah he's a liar yeah i think he's a dangerous person yeah very much so okay categorically across the board i might end up saying some complimentary things about him in the sense that he's better at this than alex yeah that is the only context in which i am going to say positive things and i do not want that to be misconstrued by anybody also before we get into this interview i would like to play a clip of spencer that milo recently leaked have you heard this uh okay so if milo is involved in anything i just skip over it after the charlottesville rally the unite the right rally yeah milo apparently recorded richard spencer having a little bit of a breakdown about what had happened

he was ranting a little bit and i guess for whatever reason milo wanted to distance himself from some of these communities and worlds and so at the end of last year he posted this audio on youtube and uh just a little bit of a content warning there's some language in here that's pretty bad we're coming back here like a fucking hundred times i am so mad i am so fucking mad at these people they don't do this to fucking me we're gonna fucking miscellistically humiliate them i am coming back here every fucking weekend if i have to like this is never over i went they fucking lose that's how the world fucking works little fucking kites they get ruled by people like me little fucking oxaroons i fucking my ancestors fucking enslaved those pieces of fucking shit

i rule the fucking world those pieces of shit get ruled by people like me they look up and see a face like mine looking down at them that's it the fucking world works we are gonna destroy this fucking town so obviously this is coming from milo who is a uh a source of information you never like yeah uh to take information from but he would be someone who is situated in in such a way as to be able to record something like that so it lends some credibility to it yeah that's only gonna come from inside it's not like we're right yeah i'm not gonna walk up and record richard spencer saying that shit it sounds exactly like richard spencer's voice so it's either him or the great impression rich little randy predico the great impressionist

of our time the man of a thousand voices they call and further it sounds exactly like the messaging it sounds in line with what someone like richard spencer does believe yeah so i i of course reached for comment by a mil tons of publications richard spencer has not commented on oh he hasn't why is that no he doesn't want to dignify the story but obviously it's it's a deep fake right so i play i play that because i think it's important to recognize as slickly as he's going to try and come off uh in this interview and as he does all the time beneath that he's a fucking insane person right so alex starts off this interview and i think that he thinks that this is going to go very differently than it does give me your current view of

president trump from a white nationalist perspective and while you're angry uh with with trump it is is he not your your furor anymore uh well he was never a leader but i don't think i need to talk about trump from a white nationalist perspective i think i could talk talk about trump from a basic american nationalist even conservative perspective uh he has failed to deliver on the keystone promises of his 2016 campaign there is no wall immigration restriction is not going to be in the cards uh his policies on health care and many other things are absolutely incoherent what we have been getting has been the in domestically the paul ryan agenda of tax cuts for billionaires uh and so on and we've been getting the george w bush agenda uh in the middle east

it's not quite as bad i'll give trump that uh but it is very bad he is making war in the middle east more likely and that is the exact opposite of what not just me but what hit the his base of supporters voted for it is true that he said he was going to cut back the types of visas for skilled workers and then he hasn't done that that was alex's first question and if you listen to that you can tell that he might be realizing that he is in no way prepared to have this conversation alex legitimately thinks he can just say what's wrong with trump from a white nationalist perspective and think that's gonna in any way get richard fucking spencer on his heels for one labeling this guy a white nationalist is not going to tarnish him in any

way from the perspective of alex's audience many of them probably think that white nationalist just means being a white person who's also a nationalist and the rest of them don't think that white nationalism is a bad thing uh i hear smugness in the way alex delivers his question 100 asking if trump isn't spencer's fewer anymore but that smugness can only really be the result of not realizing that richard spencer is a pro he's been doing this for years now and every single interview he's had in that time has been at least on some level confrontational it's the easiest thing in the world for him to deflect that weak shit and push forward with his own talking points is trump your fewer trump's never been a leader what do you think of trump from a white nationalist

perspective i don't need to speak from a white nationalist perspective i could talk from the perspective of nationalism and trump's base right with just those two simple deflections spencer is completely neutralized these two accusations that alex started the interview with and he's given himself the high ground in the conversation which that's going to allow him to deliver these talking points which alex can't really disagree with you can almost hear an uh oh in alex when spencer stops talking and there's a long pause and all alex can come up with is a comment about how trump hasn't cut down visas for skilled workers like he promised whatever alex hoped to get out of this conversation is already gone he's failed right out of the gate because he

had no idea who he was about to talk to and he underestimated his guest and again to be clear that's not to say that richards banter is some kind of superhuman thinker or debater yeah he's just someone with skill levels high high above alex that reminds me of uh when i was first starting out in comedy i went to a show featuring a friend of the show marty dorosa incredibly talented sure and it was put on at a theater and it was a regular comedy show put on in a five hundred seat theater and maybe fifty people showed up and it was a disaster the stage was too high and so on and so forth so marty in his featuring set just jumps off the stage and starts wandering through the crowd yeah and blew the place up fifty people made the theater huge

but the then the headliner to follow him he tried to stand on the stage and you can't go back marty had changed the the battleground entirely right and the headliner wasn't equipped for it that is what richard spencer just did alex thought he was going to have a space yeah he thought he was going to have a white nationalist conversation and all of a sudden the criticism comes from a completely different battleground and alex is not able to to fight there no and if you can't uh sort of predict that that is what's going to happen that means that you're either terrible at the job you signed up for yeah or maybe you're not super terrible but you just weren't prepared for the circumstances that you have allowed yourself to get in this is why you

don't do conversations like this unless you are fully prepared unless you take it very seriously because like so like i keep stressing someone like richard spencer knows these things like he's thought through these question trees like the like okay if someone asks this question what's the best way to proceed whether or not he sat down and actually diagrammed these things i have no fucking idea but intuitively through experience and repetition he understands okay here's where an attack is going to come from here's what i do with that yeah yeah it's very simple he learned judo to link it back to crowd work or to comedy crowd work kind of works the same way yeah a lot of the time yeah like you know that there's only a certain number of types of things

an audience member can yell at you yeah so if you come up with like a standard kind of strategy to respond to mean thing that said yeah unintelligible thing that said you'll be able to roll with it much better right same way richard spencer is able to roll with these the way that alex is trying to frame the conversation the framing failed it completely failed and now it is up to spencer to just dictate the terms of what they're going to do absolutely and now he does that almost the immediately after that he takes the high position i overheard the tail end of your last conversation and you were both saying well we don't fear h1 bv h1 b visas smart indians or so on well the fact is we actually should care about issues like that the immigration is not simply about

illegals or very poor unskilled people coming across the border there are billions of people who are highly skilled have i high iqs who can come into the united states and displace the middle class it's in a way read worse than low skilled illegal immigrants doing construction or a bus boy jobs it's a very serious issue the democrats they want a big unskilled underclass they can control and i think more smart people will build the country up not displace the middle class it's having more dumb people that'll destroy us i i i would prefer dumb immigrants to smart immigrants to be frank it is smart immigrants who are when they look at middle class jobs who are the ones smart immigrants that made the iq of north america go up once europeans came here

so now that spencer is realized he can take the upper hand in the conversation he begins immediately with bringing up things alex said earlier and that he disagrees with in this case alex's desire for more high skilled and intelligent immigrants alex is going to have a really hard time defending his position against someone who's willing to take the other side which spencer is so this is rocky territory and you can see how not great alex is standing is when all he can come up with his smart immigrants made this country when europeans came over without any white right without any effort without any force spencer has elicited a white nationalist idea from alex yeah by not even cleverly hiding his own white nationalism no that was that was brutally obvious and he has

no real reason to hide it and he's not yeah he's not i mean he he even like immediately after this it's pretty clear and in the context of that clip of just of course he doesn't mind a massive unskilled immigrant population he wants to enslave them right you know that's what he would like to do he doesn't want intelligent people right yeah and to that alex is going to have a tough time which is not to say that unskilled people are not intelligent that's bullshit that's a dumb argument totally yeah but but alex is going to have a very tough time combining his talking points in world view with arguing against what spencer is bringing he is in a he's in a kind of an unwinnable situation for himself and that sucks so as i was saying like spencer kind of reveals a little bit of this

like whiteness being at the core of all of it in this next clip uh i i agree to a very large extent but the fact is the united states was since 1790 uh a ultimately a white country it was a white european country with an anglo- protestant core to it and we brought in lots of other europeans but that was our identity so alex has said that smart immigrants made america and spencer completely dismisses that comment by claiming to partially agree with it then moving on to his talking point and he knows that alex can't really disagree with it without contradicting his own positions yep america was not a white country at its founding good god that's kind of a silly thing to say for a lot of reasons but the most important is because what we perceive as white today is not

the same as the 1700s definition of white in the late 1800s italian immigrants were absolutely not considered white whereas now you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who excludes italians from the category same goes for irish polish and greeks throughout the country's history i mean shit benjamin franklin called the german people living in pennsylvania palatine bores you could make the argument that the country was anglo-saxon in nature at the beginning maybe but if you did that you're kind of implying that the goal should be for us to make it an anglo-saxon country now which is not a white one because again those aren't the same thing current day white nationalists try and wave this idea away because like their definition of white is not one that would be

productive if you try and consult history their definition includes people they feel they would want to be in a group with which conforms to their underlying prejudices and hate the slight of hand trick that they're doing is it's the part where they try to pretend that the definition of white has always been the same and they're actually they're just in line with the founders of the country yeah they don't say that this country should be anglo-saxon as a country because that sounds fucking stupid and almost all of them would be considered undesirables undermining the purity of the country as they would have been in the 1700s spencer says 1790 in that clip because that was the year that the united states passed the naturalization act which made all male white

inhabitants of the country citizens but again what did white mean i guess that's an open question considering decades later they still definitely didn't think italians were my point here is this is a stupid conversation and it doesn't really prove anything even if somehow the founders of the country magically had the same arbitrary definition of white that spencer does and they wanted this to be a white country so what they had slaves and women couldn't vote i'm going to say that whatever their understanding of the world was it had room for improvement but here's the thing spencer's talking point that this is a white country is bullshit but alex can't refute that without supporting some kind of multiculturalism yeah spencer kind of how has alex over a barrel

where he has to choose between supporting minorities or going along with explicit white nationalism it's really having a tough time with this interview and we're only like two minutes in yeah i think what's what's interesting is they are arguing flavors of white nationalism but alex can't say that his flavor is different because then you'd have to admit he has a flavor of white nationalism it's similar to the david duke interview but i think worse for alex because i don't i don't know exactly how to describe this like alex i think he might have prepared a little better for the david duke one or at least he's known of david duke for a really long time or he was just more capable mentally back then sure and and it would be irresponsible of

me to guess exactly what the reason is but he was more prepared for this sure he's completely off his uh game here now this is bad and i think in this next clip you even see what could be considered the two of them kind of making friends a little bit sure well i mean the media says it's okay to hit you and attack you and i don't agree with that and the stuff we hear coming out of the democrats is way more racially based and aggressive saying white people are inherently bad i mean that's michael morris says whites are bad people don't trust them they're inherently evil because of the color they are i'm going to see that turning white people into aggressive race-based individuals because they're not going to have any other choice if the establishment organizes things into a

race-based system uh than just like being in a prison i wouldn't want to have to go get in the Aryan wing of the prison but if i did not be killed because it's been made a race-based system i agree that there's a lot of toxic nasty anti-white uh rhetoric and even anti-white discrimination policies that are emerging from the democratic party i would also say that the GOP does next to nothing to actually fight these they'll talk about let me ask you this undoubtedly you're a moderate compared to the democrat leadership saying whites are inherently evil i mean you're not saying people are inherently evil or asians are inherently evil so here's the deal i disagree with a lot of stuff but i just want to say if you're a villain for being race-based

then you're like a little demon compared to cnn that satan himself if we judge things as being race-based as evil then then then you are a very small evil uh thank you alex i'll i'll take that there's almost a dismissive like uh humoring that's going on spencer has so much more power in this conversation and i think that that's what alex is doing i think he recognizes that like spencer is has an authority here um and i need to bring us together a little bit yeah but also alex realizes that like the whole premise of this interview he's said it multiple times already on the show is that he thinks that he's false opposition yeah so that is what needs to be dealt with your false opposition but you're not that bad well here's the thing if you're going to make that kind of

an accusation or bring up that subject i think you'd probably want to do it in a careful way as opposed to just blurting it out which is what alex does but my big beef with you but i want to hear what you think first is that you're synthetic and you're working for the globalist but but please continue i'm not uh synthetic or working for the globalist but uh what i was saying before was that so for this whole episode alex has been saying he's going to confront redred spencer about how he thinks he's synthetic and working for the globalist he did it alex is so on his heels in this conversation and spencer is maneuvering him so well that the only thing he can do is blur it out i think you work for the globalists comment that's a joke man have you ever seen first 48

hours have you ever seen yeah you know when they do those uh like in those tense interview scenes where the guys like uh they're interrogating him and they're trying to figure out those always start with did you do it and then accepting whatever answer they're right did you do it no okay cool get out of here you stamp you can see how easily spencer was able to take that as a sincere question and say no then move on spencer's in complete control of this conversation and alex has completely wasted the only arrow he thought he had in his quiver he thought he was going to ask about the white nationalist perspective on trump was and spencer would say the trump wasn't mean enough to the brown people and alex could work with that or something that didn't work out now he's forced

to throw his supposed knockout punch the globalist accusation and spencer doesn't even flinch this is just sad this is like it's it's ridiculously bad man the only reason people even entertain that like all white people are bad bullshit is because of guys like alex and richard spencer if i didn't know there were so many of these white nationalists out there it would never occur to me to think that all white people are bad right other than our history well so richard spencer starts talking about like there's an interesting thing with the the globalist accusation and that is that richard spencer does recognize that globalization is a necessary part of the modern world right and so he talks about that a little bit and alex just can't handle this shit there is a

a basis for identity politics that isn't just a globalist plot or isn't just some bad policy from the democratic party the fact is we live in a globalized world we don't live in a world where your your consciousness is formed by your neighborhood or maybe your small nation state at most we actually live in a world where we have a global consciousness and the the major fissures of this upcoming war are going to be racial and cultural so you are a white man whether you like it or not you are perceived as a white person by say the globalist or the establishment but also by immigrants by migrant by refugees and migrants and etc our identity is forced upon us in this time we need to wow the globalists want to make everything not identify the ideology of freedom and americana

that can unifies they want to make it racially based force whites into a race-based system and and and then have that war and that fissure and that's how i see you playing in as the other side of the left trying to make it race-based and now you're saying okay it is race-based which it things have always been tribal and race-based and so under christianity we would transcend that model so i'm in i'm in a debate about those two models i think it's okay to have that discussion and it's not good to say that whites are inherently bad while the left pushes a race-based system you are correct about that i'm saying you how did you come upon your ideas your system who you are and what you're pushing for that's that's so bad that's some good work

right there yeah i don't i don't even know exactly what alex is saying quite frankly no clue no idea what he just said i don't know what he was trying to say richard spencer is being a mess but he's also giving concise points yeah that that are tough for alex to argue against so he just throws words salad around yeah yeah well uh you know there's a race-based system and then christianity transcends yeah i'm having a debate between these wow the i'm having a debate between these two systems or whatever is that translates to what do i do i'm fucking used to no clue what's going on i i'm getting my ass beat yes i do wish they would just play like civilization instead of war game is being the race war that's coming sure just play civilization it's fun it's fun and the other

problem too that i think is really intrinsic is that i don't think that alex can really argue with a lot of the things that spencer is saying because some of the conclusions about like we just got to have all us whites together yeah alex may whether you like it or not your white which means you got to fight with the whites in the upcoming war well alex might agree with that but wouldn't want to say it but a lot of the other stuff that he's talking about is right in line with alex's rhetoric the concept that the coming war is going to be racial and cultural like that is that is info wars 101 yeah absolutely so the fact that so much overlap exists here it becomes very difficult for alex to have any kind of a conversation that involves counterpoints push

back follow-up questions and that's why you see like alex just rambles his nonsense about god transcending this stuff and then goes to where'd you get your ideas yeah well because he thinks that the global he thinks that the race war is coming but it's because the globalists are drumming up people from the other races to hate on us obviously the race war is coming and and we all should fight together because white people are also pushing richard spencer into making whites identify as absolutely because the spencer is working for the global of course huh so um in order to um make this even worse great um i was hoping you would say that spencer man he is he knows what he's doing we need to be proud of ourselves we need to fight back

we need to be tough guys and this is something that you should get because one thing that i really like about you despite my criticisms is that you are a bold tough man's man and that's a good thing the white race needs to be like wow we need to stop apologizing for ourselves we need to stop just you know beating around the bush on issues and we need to be proud of who we are and fight for who we are but in terms of how i came to these ideas uh look uh i i come from a great background i had a wonderful childhood i have wonderful parents i could have just gone in and become a warrior and made a lot of money uh but i wanted to talk about that when we come back because because of like four of the five united right rallies we're all former democrats that's why

i'm suspicious i have no idea if richard spencer prepared for this interaction and knew that you can easily compromise alex with flattery or if he's just intuitive enough to read the desperation and neediness in alex but whatever the case he comes in with the perfect compliment that alex can't help but be won over by you're such a big strong boy but not only that you like he's saying alex is a tough guy but on top of that alex is what white men need to be like that's really hitting alex exactly where oh yeah yep and you can see at the end of that clip as alex is going out to break he's almost walking back his suspicion about spencer being fake he's capitulating he's explaining why he was suspicious as if to show all his cards like he's trying to apologize by laying out what

made him suspicious which now almost looks silly no i'm sorry i see it was because five of the six were former democrats so that's why i thought you were controlled opposition now you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt since you're not a lawyer look i was just saying you know like i know look that's why i was sorry i didn't look i didn't you're great i'm a big strong boy we're all having a great day yeah so when they get back from break alex explains that reason for his suspicion um and like it's so lame okay so roger spencers here with us and it's interesting to actually talk to him himself and hear things from his view so let's get into your ethos and the fact that you know i've got some of the background here it's classic you know cutout type deal and and i

can't prove that but then you guys have to unite the right rally where soro sends in all these people there's this big clash uh and then out of that they blame trump uh and then most of the leadership of it were like i've had some months some of your buddies like well it is true a year ago i was supporting obama but not now or yes i supported hillary two years ago but now i agree with richard spencer and we're and it just looks like the left creating a group to then identify with trump to say oh look he's a white nationalist so so there's a rena mob out there saying that and doing that i mean i'm not saying there aren't real white nationalists or white supremacist out there but it seems you are media and the left and their attempt to say whites are inherently bad and and

do all this crazy racist stuff is to create this dialectic where you take the problems and you collide them together to create the synthesis what do you think's really going on here and i mean who are you really uh first off i did not organize the charlottesville rally i was invited to speak at it and i was a top build guest etc this is a perfect example of why alex needs to do his homework his big conspiracy theory about richard spencer working for the globalists to create some white nationalists you know stuff to this big event to tarnish the sterling reputation of trump that conspiracy hinges on the idea that spencer had something to do with the unite the right rally if that's not the case the whole thing falls apart because alex doesn't really know what he's

talking about or who he's talking to he thinks spencer was one of the organizers of the rally and he's decided with no evidence that other rally organizers like jason kessler are secret globalists this conspiracy falls to pieces in five seconds when spencer points out that he wasn't involved in organizing the rally he was just an invited speaker every piece of alex's suspicion about spencer is easily dismissed and now it looks ludicrous to the audience it looks like alex doesn't know what he's talking about um and this sort of game would not be so easy to play if alex had done any preparation it's interesting because i've looked into it and i kind of think that spencer is lying i know for sure that jason kessler was the lead organizer of the rally and spencer is

sometimes credited in stories in places like the hill as being an organizer but it's tough to find exact confirmation on that the splc doesn't list him as an organizer just as the headline speaker and in an article in the associated press from just after the rally they credit him as an attendee of the rally that said i find it pretty difficult to believe that he wasn't in some way involved in the organization of the event behind the scenes and thankfully i don't have to go off instinct because right now richard spencer is one of the people facing a lawsuit over the unite the right rally which goes to trial this october in the course of the case proceeding a number of spencer's text messages returned over to the court appear in a filing the picture that's painted in these

texts is one where richard spencer is far more than just a speaker at the event in one text spencer is requesting speaker bookings like he's uh he's saying hey what about this guy uh you know he's getting in touch with jason kessler and being like we should have this guy speak right in another kessler is consulting with spencer about needing legal help for an insurance policy for the rally these are not texts you'd expect between an organizer and a headlining speaker they imply a relationship that's far more than that add to that the fact that richard spencer held a torch centric rally in charlottesville in may about three months prior to the unite the right rally it's just kind of hard to accept that he was solely just a headlining speaker at the rally

but all of that will likely be sorted out later this year when his case goes to trial considering the legal implications of him saying that he was an organizer like if he said that on alex's show he's makes total sense he would take the position that he's taking here so ultimately the point that i want to make is whether or not spencer was an organizer or just one of the main speakers is kind of secondary to the more important issue and that is that alex's conspiracy hinges on spencer being an organizer of the event and even alex clearly doesn't know if that's true spencer can dismiss that with a few choice words and all of alex's theories look like paranoia and alex is made to look like he doesn't know what he's talking about in front of his audience

this is really just a display of alex being outclassed by a very slick very horrible person he's being humiliated in front of his audience oh hey you know uh you and your fellow organizers of the unite the right rally you know a bunch of the other ones are clearly secret globalists so that's why i think that you are a secret globalist i'm not an organizer well what do you think about cheese i love it but white cheese only right do you know they make cheddar in white it's really sad yeah so at that being established now richard spencer is free to talk about some of his political leanings i don't know about george soros sending in people in terms of my own personal background i've never been a democrat i have i

voted for john carrey in 2004 for reasons that i might very well vote for a democrat again in 2020 supporting obama working for obama a year before he organizes this rally charlottesville well he he seems to have a lot of ideas rattling around in his head i don't know if he knows who he is uh but i can only support obama and then the next thing you're organizing a white nationalist it's not terribly it's not terribly uh unusual for people particularly young people to kind of go off in different directions but i can't i'm not in touch with them i can't speak if you know the southern prairie law center was running the elaheem city facility white supremacist compound where mcvay was and all that that came out in court that's all alex has now we're now we're just

shooting the shit right yep now all all pretense of a of an adversarial interview is gone right and so he's coming alex is trying to come up with like uh you know hey jason kessler used to work for it it's like i don't like that guy yeah if you read the texts that are in that court filing they're horrible to kessler they hate him like there is a an exchange between richard spencer and this other dude where they are like talking about how they've discovered that kessler's grandma is jewish and they're going to blackmail him if they don't if he doesn't leave them alone after the rally the like the classic hitler move they fucking hate this guy yeah so like the idea that alex is going to be like well uh i'm going to bring up your buddy like no i don't like that guy fuck that

dude that guy and like richard spencer's position on politics makes more sense than alex's yeah like this accusation they're like some of these people voted for democrats like yeah i voted for john carry because i'm against war right i hated george didn't you hate george i am consistently against war and i am willing to vote and back up that position right now i'm sure i'm sure it felt great for you to run around and yell about ron paul oh yeah but we all knew ron paul wasn't going to get elected and george w bush is a fucking war monger yep so yes i voted democrat right that makes more sense and the explanation yeah people particularly young people have you know they tend to go in different directions that is it that is much closer to reality than the picture

that alex paints and the reason why this is dangerous is because richard god damn spencer is making way more sense than alex on alex's own show absolutely because there are because the bar is set solo totally alex is accidentally allowing him a platform that not only normalizes him it makes him look better than the hero man i i want to say i i don't know if i want to say this but i don't know if this is an accident i don't either i really don't know if this is because if if i think it's an accident on alex's part but i don't know if it's an accident based on whoever booked this uh yeah yeah yeah that's fair i think alex wanted to come off better but i do think that the point was to platform a white nationalist as well as i struggle with as well as like grab attention

for having the ball the balls to talk to a white nationalist or something like that i i i struggle with what i think the motivation would be and i think for me to actually say uh what you know this is why he's doing this i think that'd be irresponsible i don't i don't know but it feels like that i think the booking is the editorial choice you know somewhat but i mean again like we talked about on the last episode you can have people on if you have a confrontational approach to it right i think that alex is at least pretending that's what he's doing so you could easily say like well he executed terribly right his intention was right i i don't get back on the stupid be evil continue alex is deeply deeply incompetent so that is a possible situation like i was going

back and forth with like what is the reason for this happening and i think a big reason for it is they're both white identity guys and uh richard spencer is recently broken with trump and that is something that's relevant to alex what i think he wants to bring him on to humiliate him yep because oh yeah you're turning on trump just what a globalist would do exactly that kind of thing that that motivation makes total sense similarly i think that there might be a kernel of it that is i want to bring on someone who's demonstrably a white nationalist white supremacist and distance myself from them because everyone thinks that i'm that if i'm publicly disagreeing with this guy then haha right i think a lot i think that there's possibly a very complex

motivation yeah i i yeah i agree with you i'm not i'm not i don't think it is simple by any means because there's so many different variables in having richard spencer on your show yeah and your alex yeah it's all i could almost even see it being a setup the the booker was like i'm a white nationalist and i want to get these views out and i know alex doesn't have a shot against this guy yeah you know i yeah i i i but that's a fucking conspiracy theory and i'm losing my mind yeah i accept all possible explanations for why this is happening as being possible but i don't i think the psychology that alex consistently expresses yeah it leads me far more towards like he's gonna he wants to have him on to provide some sort of a distance between them

or whatever and we already have the david duke example as being pretty clearly that so it's more likely that that's the situation again yeah but i think also that's not taking into account the amount of difference there is between 2015 alex in 2020 absolutely like the even if his intention was to do the same thing that he thought he was doing with the david duke interview the circumstances aren't the same yeah and it's just bad so alex bad we can agree alex's main criticism is that he thinks that he's false opposition he's a globalist and so that gets fully ended here i think i think that criticism is just squashed that there are dirty tricks and false opposition like that created the fact is that is not who i am period okay well let's get

an opportunity to say you are go back to your your beginnings your ethos and what what made you become this person now that the media's chosen is kind of the new david duke right i think that you and i might have similar origins in the sense that at a young age as we're becoming adults we realize that there was something wrong with the world so at this point alex has made his accusation spencer's responded to it in the negative and alex has accepted his claim that he's not false opposition if you're paying attention that means that alex has just deduced that he's talking to a legit white nationalist this should be the point of the interview where alex takes issue with spencer's white nationalism but that isn't what i see i see alex saying well who are you then and

open justify your white nationalism to me he opens the door for spencer to create rapport with him by saying i bet we're a lot alike when we were starting this is manipulation shit and alex seems completely unaware or totally fine with the fact that he's being played yeah did spencer like call pechenek before this just being like give me give me some give me some playbook here let me know what steps i need to take and then i'll get him saying that he's a nazi by the end of the show see i don't i don't think that that's necessary like i think that you know like the flattery stuff i think that would be something that someone who has some awareness of how people are communicating would pick up on and be like all right i'm gonna flatter this guy and he's

gonna roll over yeah and and if you have any understanding of alex's talking points in his worldview sure you could tailor whatever you're saying to be like this is going to be in line with you or you could just be a white nationalist and say what you believe and there's going to be a lot of overlap yep so that could also just be just a natural thing that happens yeah that's true because like right after that after he says like you know we're probably very similar coming up there was a problem with the world that we identified he starts talking and that problem is non right yeah and i think that if you listen to this clip anybody who listens to infowars is going to find a lot of this stuff really familiar i wanted to understand why my people in our

civilization have been so demoralized why we are not able to stick up for ourselves and our people and think about our future why we are so eager to unilaterally disarm why we have this black cloud hanging over our heads whether it's slavery or the holocaust or or so on and it's preventing us from acting on our own interest from being great from going to the stars to put it most vividly and i want you can go by yourself that that guilt complex that is always weighing us down this is so close to so much of the stuff alex talks about he talks about going to the stars all the time all the time he's like i wanted to understand why white people were made to feel this guilt alex's like primary emotional driver is this desire to not feel that guilt yeah that he

feels like people are putting on him there's so much here that if you are a committed alex jones follower you'll hear this guy and you'll be like man richard sponsors making some good points i thought he was a bigot right oh boy right now alex and spencer gets talking about trump a little bit okay and somehow that's more palatable to me i think this is where their paths diverge a little bit yeah and i don't think that they're able to find we're approachable not really but i i think that their perspectives are fairly interesting because all alex has is like sort of surface level talking points yeah and i think that richard spencer is a little bit closer to accurate in terms of what trump was doing in his campaign to go back a little bit earlier when

you showed that uh image of me getting punched i and you were saying oh they were creating a dialectic well the fact is donald trump created a dialectic donald trump was calling upon race even if he wouldn't use that word specifically because he he told us uh directly particularly the r&c that i am your man i am going to stick up for americans americans have dreams too immigration is out of control i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna be your guy this was implicitly so it was explicitly nationalist and let's be frank it was an implicitly racialist because america has been a white country for its entire political history that's what donald trump was about he was actually calling upon these energies in a way that no other republican would he was calling for unity and saying those

that want to divide us and say america is bad or wrong and it's okay for america to exist and all of our traditions are good and we should celebrate those but it was a unification come on uh you know event as well i mean he was up there at the r&c with a rainbow flag but he also went and march in pro-life events something no republicans done and he's trying to i mean he really seems pragmatically trying to be a unifier but also stand up for human life uh and get the irs off churches backs because they have his place you know being there under the first amendment i mean i just don't that's i think what you are massively divided uh the united states of 1950 could have been unified in a kind of nationalist message and we were to a very large degree fighting the cold

war we are polarized and we are polarized down racial lines to a very large degree as opposed to even a matter of polarization of a or b the country is fragmenting into small communities the global trust that and so like a vaccine of racism they have the left being totally racist that it's wrong and needs to be decried but that's meant to have the autoimmune response of whites aligning upon race just like a warden controls a prison through race that's all but we're gonna have to accept this reality we're not gonna come up with some nice republican conservative leader who's going to unite the country that that is more ridiculous than any you know outlandish thing i've ever said i don't know i don't know i mean quote minorities are

huge listeners and supporters of this show and i run into them and they get what's going on and they want the american dream they don't care what color they are i'm sure you can find individuals like that but the general indians indians indians that are citizens are like a highest level of trump supporter i just don't i just don't i'm not buying what you're saying i see the media trying it and i see you as playing the part on the other side if you don't know but let's come back longer segments right ahead i'll try to give you the floor for at least five minutes at the start and say what you have to say because i appreciate your courage coming on the show i think because of alex's incompetent flailing he's going to i mean to use the terminology of that uh the community

he's allowing his audience to be kind of redpilled down down this road of of like yes alex these are problems but sooner or later you're going to have to accept the reality that you're not going to get some guy in here who's going to unite people you need that's explicitly what the conservative people are against right and i i think that um whether or not spencer is right about what trump was doing he is accurately describing how a lot of people heard trump's message yeah and alex refuses to accept that he refuses to accept that a lot of things the trump was saying was specifically tailored to be heard a certain way by white nationalists and white supremacists probably because of the influence of people like steven meller who alex has constantly

said loves info wars so it's almost anorabora in some ways but i don't know if it's i was trying to think of the word while he was talking i think it's i guess it's maybe less exhausting to listen to this bullshit just because he's saying the quiet part loud yeah you know like i don't have to work at all and he's just like i trump is a white nationalist that's why we voted for him and i'm like thank you right right we know and he's saying it in full sentences yeah and he doesn't jump around to all this like extraneous bullshit like alex does yeah i'm not tired speaking in little nuggets of like a scatter shot yeah like alex is it it's almost meant to wear out your attention yeah absolutely and in a certain way and i think that's also probably a danger of alex

interviewing someone like spencer because he comes off smart cogent right to a listener yeah now granted if they're used to and like alex that might be boring to them that's that's there's a possible i don't i don't fully know how people would experience it yeah but i do think it runs the risk certainly absolutely of of being heard that way by his listeners and that's a real that's a real danger that alex has a responsibility to be aware of now even if he pushes back a little bit defending trump calling for unity or whatever yeah that's not that's not nobody's going to buy nobody's going to buy that no info warrior is going to buy trump was calling for unity it seems it seems hard to swallow no i mean comparably richard spencer is far more attractive

right now on this interview so if you were he's asserted dominance he's deflected all of alex's criticisms alex his big accusation looked like shit and now he's supplicating himself before him yeah with only this sort of surface level talking point push back yeah and talking over spencer whenever he's you know trying to make his points that's what he has to do yeah yeah yeah so in this next clip they get back and spencer starts talking about how he wants homogenous populations or i'm sorry the globalists want homogenous populations of everybody intermixed yeah and spencer wants slaves you want why is everybody confusing he wants ethno states more accurately i i don't think we actually have to look too far to understand

what globalists want because we see it every day they want an undifferentiated mass of humanity that all on a planetary scale all eating mcdonald's and shopping and charging things on credit i hate you so much exactly the same way off that's that's a sacrament i agree actually gets even worse they want that version of globalism that is not what i want i want you could call civilizationalism or identitarianism or racialism in the sense that we have real we have real unified cultures that are that have a that are part of an historical tradition and can look forward to a future that is connected to their past i don't want to turn the planet into a giant shopping mall i want europeans to be european to pursue our path want africans to be african i

want indians to be indian i want them to rediscover themselves that is what i am about how can alex argue with that what what in his sort of rhetorical arsenal does he have to be like no countries shouldn't just be one ethnicity what is he hey he doesn't have shit yeah i know and the way that spencer's framing the beginning of that argument with like this is what the globalists want they want everybody to be cookie cutter all the same one world is a big shopping mall alex is yes anding with him at the beginning the chop your testicles off yeah also that not only that but he can't then be like i disagree with your conclusion that i helped you arrive at yeah absolutely it's stupid that's fucking i hate that i hate that so much because that's such an

inverted bullshit view of real look we live in the city there are people from every fucking culture here we have parades for Puerto Rico's we we have a gay pride parade we have food from everywhere we we celebrate all of these different cultures all in the same place both together and separate like that's part of the joy of it and and then he's talking about how all these other places where it is homogenized i grew up in a small town homogenized with nothing but white people and everybody ate a fucking wendy's and shopped at walmart that is what he's what he's saying that he's against right i fucking hate him i hate him so much wow i hate him so much you're gonna hate alex more i think in this next one god damn it mike down for this because i think you're this

i'm a little animated and this is right this will infuriate you okay i mean let's say what it is take it and continue let's say what it is and then you can continue the christian western ethos was the white man's burden to build a civilization to develop technology to go into all these countries and really not exploit people empower them build them up give them science those populations explode then the modern corporation technocrats turn against that exploit the third world racially turn them against the christian ethos erase the christian ethos and then bring the whole thing down and so the white man's christian quote burden of expansionism did empower in many ways the third world that explode their populations but now that's being used as a weapon against what's

left to the west wow so the white man's burden alex believes is to bring civilization to all these other countries and and then be demonized for it he could have just stopped right when he finished the kippling reference once he was there i was like i got it yes you think colonialism is great and definitely not what that leads to is no it's a good thing it's a good we actually did great right we actually did great for them god i hate him yeah the worst that's the worst and it's not going to help like push back at all against the things that spencer's saying like that's not going to be a rebuttal or anything no no no so um it's almost a yes and yeah totally and so in this next clip spencer's saying that globalization is normal which is a very

unfamiliar conversation on alex's show and it actually does eventually force alex to express that globalization isn't bad globalists are bad yeah which is a distinction that i've never heard him make on the show of course but it's forced because spencer is clearly saying that there is a global community that is real so we've we've got to get away kind of from the nationalist globalist divide and move towards a a synthesis of of a civilizational racial consciousness and that is how the world is breaking down there are major fissures in this economically globalized world and those are on the basis of civilization and race and culture in the deepest sense of the word now richard you know at the highest levels of the global system

they're actually very very racist um and and do you notice that hmm i'm starting to like these scientific how they go and they study each group and only want the smartest from each group and then that's the excuse to recruit all the scientists for this project of further dumbing people down in things uh so they can just accelerate this program get rid of the bad sons to make sure there's not a challenge to the hegemonic uh system of the technocrats i think spencer's just letting alex talk honestly yeah it's just rambling about the like oh they want to take all the good sons and like sure sure sure alex keep on going once you're done i'll get back to talking smart stuff i'll i'll get back to at least using sentence structure i will i will

continue laundering white nationalism and and calling i'm a racialist yeah jesus christ so alex in this next clip is complaining about the media and msnbc in particular and he's like they're like hitler and richard spencers do not talk about my furor like that it leads to an interesting exchange and we need to understand ourselves as europeans as a broader people on this planet with a particular destiny and a particular charge well there's no doubt that the closest thing to hitler is msnbc i mean that's just but but from the position that that you say that white people well but let me explain that msnbc has the purest hitler message i've ever seen it's just from the perspective that whites are bad instead of other groups are bad from from an arian or uh

nordic perspective i mean you you tune into that man it's it's socialist it's it's anti white uh it's it's it's it's it's hitler but from the other perspective uh and surely i mean you see that relative i i i i i kind of get what you're saying i i think that's a bit over the top so do you like to say it like that what do you like hitler uh hitler is just a man from history um a major figure like jingus con we need to understand where oh god and what our consciousness and also our challenge is going to be very different than the challenge of history you're doing to repeat it and history doesn't ride it does repeat well let's talk about hitler the real hitler on the other side stay with us oh boy um that was what we call a non answer to the question do you like hitler

do you know what is the least possible gotcha question i can think of hey what do you think about hitler uh bad oh the end gotcha bad do you like hitler no in fact i would go so far as to say i strongly dislike hitler he was just a guy he was just a guy that's not that no no did you just start with he was just a guy good i know where you're coming from yeah the at white but you see this like this is high status behavior yeah the way that alex is like saying that ms mbc is close to hitler and he's just laughing at it yeah and even after alex isn't used i love it alex isn't used to having something like that like having to defend a position that he just rambles out yeah like he's used to working with like fucking two time losers who need alex in order to exist or

employees or potential employees or barns is going to flub a question like do you like hitler or associate grifters you know like laura loomer people like that who are who are like alex can say like yeah ms mbc is like hitler and like yeah you bet it is he is yeah so is let's party so cnn they're all the everybody's hitler richard spencer doesn't give a shit about that he has his own industry or whatever he doesn't need alex so he's like what are you talking about alex isn't used to that alex has to explain himself the answer is ridiculous and richard spencer even after the explanation is like i guess i need to get what you're saying i think you're trying to say ms nbc is bad and i don't like you bringing my boy hitler into it right god that that should be the simple

god you're so easily called a nazi you're a nazi if your answer to do you like hitler is not no then you're a nazi i don't understand how that's a complicated question it seems like it so alex at the end of the clip said you know hey when we get back from break let's talk about the real hitler and we know what that means that means when he gets back to deny the holocaust no not not specifically it's he's no steve yet yet it's that hitler was set up kind of narrative so he rambles for about a minute or two about his normal talking points about hitler doesn't bring up that he believes that hitler with a wrath child which is weird i guess that i mean that's a big part of this yeah i just clearly said that he's researched that and proven it but he doesn't bring that up

he just talks about how like you know hitler was set up by the globalists yeah and so if you listen to how this ends i think it would be a fair description to say that spencer is kind of amused by alex there's like an elevated like i'll look at you yeah kind of thing and so hitler was a creation then set up to destroy europe and then bring down that model but then bring in the scientific behind the scenes model that ibm and others were there propping up hitler so that's the real world and so if you don't think richard spencer and i'm not saying you're a hitler that that you are controlled you just need to watch out and understand that you might be more controlled than you think by the system by how they promote you and other things because you're helping create

one part of that dialectic clash that they're wanting i mean have you ever thought about that fair enough yeah i i've certainly thought about bad actors and what role i might play in a in a bad scheme of course but i mean i i can tell you very seriously i am for real i am passionate about these ideas i care about our future and i'm my own man so that's all i can say i i mean for better and for worse i'm not funded by a bunch of globalists uh but the fact is uh we probably need a pro white soros out there uh we actually all you got to need billionaires yeah a whole bunch a serious movement for social change we can't just back away from the stage of history and say ah we just want individual freedom and constitutionalism and so on uh no uh we are actually going to need

major actors in this play we're going to need people behind the scenes and funders in order to accomplish this and we need to get serious about that and realistic about it so there's i mean he's scoffing or i'm not paid by globalists there's there's a like i'll come on he's talking to a child yeah that's what he's that's he's talking to a 10 year old and he's like oh you'll learn when you grow up you say that ms nbc is hitler yeah are you you this is ridiculous and and so i mean soros has come up a couple times and so alex brings up that soros is a nazi collaborator sure which he brings up constantly with people and it's almost a litmus test of like are you going to go along with this yeah everyone knows it's not true yeah are you going

to go along with this yeah and i've seen universally everyone who's on alex's show goes along with it richard spencer now you're talking to somebody who likes hitler that is not a smear richard spencer responds in a way that i've never heard anyone respond pulling back from that you say we're going to need a soros soros was a nazi collaborator did help round up fellow jews and he said it was the best time of his life on 60 minutes so isn't it funny that the guy you say is the polar opposite i guess of what you're trying to do actually work for the nazis look soros had a obviously a strange life history and and soros also has a bit of a complicated relationship with say israel or the american foreign policy establishment he opposed the iraq war it's a complicated story but the

notion that george soros is pro white or or racialist in some in some way is completely ridiculous i agree with you he's part of the dialectic he's he's the other side of what you know okay that is real wow wow okay you can hear the i roll just yeah sure all right alex whatever that is that is funny because spencer is a white nationalist out and out yeah so he doesn't he doesn't need this this shit don't don't hide behind george soros pretend being a nazi collaborator alex come out here with me uh we love hitler let's just say it come on buddy i yeah you let's hold hands and walk underneath that rainbow and burn the rainbow to the ground because we love hitler and what this demonstrates i think in some ways is the way in which these narratives like soros as

a nazi collaborator and stuff like that those are the things that are used as a mask in order to hide behind yeah and once you're out now and people just know what you are and what you're about you don't need that mask anymore i don't need to make up bullshit about soros i love hitler you can you can just openly be like yeah you know soros is a pretty complicated figure there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff in his politics and in terms of his life that are that are you know complicated and and alex's whole premise is that soros was a nazi collaborator and uh sponsors like to imagine that he has that yeah politics is ridiculous yeah no no he's the part of the dialectic yeah sure whatever oh man whatever that's that's funny i've not heard

really many if any i think there might there may be a few but i mean maybe like dina del dr dina del yeah maybe one of the only people who's like really like kind of smacked alex down a little bit and it was a bit more joyful yeah than this whereas i i've not heard many people especially lately come in and just be like almost patronizing yeah alex yeah it is it is so stark in contrast to how simple uh how simple how much more simple your life and explanations get when you're just telling the truth of what you believe instead of hiding behind 300 different complicated conspiracy theory lies and how it frees you up to sort of demonstrate whether or not you're calling people out you can demonstrate the lying and the deceit in someone who is hiding yeah and

you can engage with reality in terms of soros and be like he's a complicated figure i can say that because i hate him for being Jewish sure so they get to talking about what spencer's view of the future is which isn't great but if you listen to this pretty carefully i think you'll see a couple of instances where he's directly attacking some of alex's core beliefs and because of the way this interview is gone i don't think alex has it in him to stand up for himself give us your view of the future and what you think is kind of unfold i i think my immediate view of the future is basically more of the same the united states is suffering from a kind of white death the deaths of despair people who have who are hooked on drugs and have no sense of the the future whatsoever

and are literally and killing and figuratively just killing themselves i i think there is going to be more of this in the future but there will be a reaction to this here i i guess i kind of agree with you in the sense that there will be a point in which white people start collaborating together working together as a team and start forging their own destiny they we start we stop unilaterally disarming myself ourselves and we understand that there is power and and collective action there's a team is going to destroy any individual opponent and we will eventually start acting like that if they stand up for second amendment or their families or pro-life or against communism that they're racist uh yeah but all that's kind of individualism at some level you know it's it's

about saying oh we don't want this state power uh we we just want to be left alone and all that kind of stuff all that kind of stuff is weak at the end of the day uh the fact is we're never going to be left alone we should just get that out of our minds and we probably won't leave other people alone we need yeah no shit collective power and state power we need to rise to this challenge as opposed to just saying oh just leave me alone it'll be okay give me my rights or things like that we need to start being the bad asses of history again people who are pushing history in the right direction we need to rise to that challenge well i think people in general need to push a pro-human future because an anti-human future is being built and i'm trying to organize people against the

machine uh anti-human globalist takeover that that these technocrats admit in their own megalomania which they're actually building because we've acquiesced our destinies period and are laying down as humans and if you look at what you were just talking about uh and and the people committing suicide and the death at everywhere and white's leading that it is because there is a racial attack on whites being directed by the filth and the scum in hollywood and the globalist combine who are the enemies of all humanity so uh he says right there yeah yeah so what you have is spencer laying out his view of what is going to come and that is basically we need to have collective action in order to take over apparatuses of state power and then whites will be in charge

and run everything with that world view in in in place yeah and alex is like wow what about you know they you know they come down on you if you're into the second amendment these are the most deeply held beliefs alex has yeah and richard spencer says they're weak yep those are weak we need to control the state apparatus we need to embrace the state the power of the state we need to create an authoritarian yeah um system and alex based on everything everything that he professes to believe that should be the single worst insult anybody has ever said that should be fighting words yeah absolutely that should be the fuck off my show you should be punching yeah you person who you you love the government oh you want a bigger federal government

please yeah you should know that you know you think that you're going to get your cool white guys in there for the government but you know that it's just going to be used against you it's more globalist they've infiltrated your operation you can't allow them to do that it'll inevitably like that should be his approach yeah or something instead it's you know that he just proves that he is the exactly oh i'm just fighting for a pro human future man yeah you know like that proves that he is weak yeah capitulation yes exactly has been vanquished yep by richard spencer richard spencer because like like and legitimately there is something alex could have done like he could have argued sure some of it would be difficult with his established position set it would be really

fucking hard to retain your beliefs and argue against richard spencer yeah but he could have prepared he could have watched any interviews that richard spencer has done any of the streams that spencer's been on where they discussed some of these issues yeah you could have figured out some of the tricks that he uses you could have figured out well what's a weakness what's a point you could you could ask him about hitler the end i don't think that would even really work that do you see what yeah yeah because that's even like a attack that he's had many times of course so like you could have done more preparation and been able to handle yourself a lot better but like i said i don't think i think he was destined to lose yeah because of the beliefs

that are compatible yeah with and alex isn't good it's nuance and specifics he's explicitly against nuance and despises specific which might be the only real way to have this conversation and not come out looking stupid yeah because i mean if you were to take some of these talking points that spencer has and try and differentiate them from your own you really need to get into theory you need to get into like a pretty deep like what's the distinction between your version of whites are under attack and mine yeah yeah what flavor of white nationalist are you well and then alex would have to try and do some heavy lifting in order to try and rationalize why what he is expressing isn't white nationalism and what spencer is saying is and alex just can't do that he

even with a ton of prep i don't think he'd be able to do that no because he's a white nationalist you can't lie enough about being a white nationalist when you've already explicitly said i mean that is a problem it is it is it's again so fucked up how easy how easily richard spencer is because the ideas that alex and so many of these guys espouse all logically end with extermination or enslavement right always and richard spencer is just out here saying we probably won't leave people alone right which is like oh so you know that it's going to end in its extermination or enslavement and you're just out there or displacement or displacement but even then if he displaces people you think that his in his a world white nation do you think they

stop at the border no of course not no no it would end up being pretty empiric empire oriented that's the only way that they live he wants everybody to look at up at him with his boot on their chest he's fucking crazy yep so here's where the interview ends and i think it ends with alex complimenting richard spencer of course he does of course he does makes total sense yeah well richard spencer i gotta say uh you actually had a discussion with me david duke just wanted to score points and talk about jews all day uh and i would have him back on i want to have controversial people on the show it just it just turns into uh you know trying to like score points to the other person uh but but i appreciate you coming on the show and uh are you gonna be in virginia next week

i'm gonna be there in dc at the women's march well i might come down if you're there sure well i'd like to interview if you are i think that'd be a good on camera interview very thought provoking because again i mean compared to the left right now you're like an anti-racist thank you you're right yeah that's great he's completely laundered this dude to his audience yeah i mean jesus alex do you want him to rub your belly now like what is going on here alex does stop short of offering him a job yeah but um he just wants him to be on air personalities that he can interview from time to time sure i don't see i don't i don't see that being like uh not possible i think richard spencer might show up on alex's show more in the future i believe it like i just think this

is the worst yeah yeah it's disappointing it's uh you know but it's not surprising the the way that alex has been operating in the present day like having e michael jones on and and steve pacenic denying the holocaust and alex not batting an eyelash like there's a real trend that's happening and richard spencer being on the show and basically just being presented as an anti-racist compared to the i can't i can't i can't right that's that's he should have been punched in the face that's very predictable like that's no it is it's right in line yeah it's right in line it's the it's the same kind of hill that we've been going down but yeah god if you say that anywhere near me i'm going to punch you in the face so um spencer's gone now and alex starts

talking about some of this stuff and i think that what you see is that alex is much more able to stay on what he perceives to be the message when he's not talking to richard spencer there's a movement to end humanity as we know it opposed human move and that's attacking the little boys attacking the little girls they don't care what color you are they're attacking the children and it's good versus evil and it's absolutely true that whites are under attack and that the left is pushing it with the marxist linus agenda but i believe we're smart enough to expose that and change that that doesn't mean we shouldn't be proud of who we are no matter what color we are and stand up for ourselves and people try to guilt us into submitting to their political agenda because

we're white so now that spencer's left alex feels more able to stick to the message yeah which is still pretty racist it's very racist but it's it's it's fairly comparably yeah it's his fairly consistent spiel about how the globalists are attacking everyone but let's focus on the white part of the equation i think this highlights a point that seems pretty important and that is that alex is only different from richard spencer in terms of how they see themselves spencer's pretty open about how he's just focused on white people alex pretends to care about all people but weirdly every single thing he seems to talk about all the pressing issues he covers seemed to have to do with white panic well that's because they're under attack i mean when the other when the other

groups and racial groups are are the main people under attack i'm sure he'll come to their defense of course right of course right it it's it seems like that's the fake wall that's between them and it's it's a it's only optical so alex starts talking about immigrants and he seems to express that he's fine with second generation immigrants the majority of people being brought in right now are being totally made dependent and brainwashed and used to drive down wages and to be racially based but people that have been here a generation or two now i don't care what color they are they get what's going on and generation z shows that that is the least white generation in american history and in all the polls and studies they're the most conservatives see how that works really

and it's not because they're brown it's because they're living in this clash and they see that it's a load of crap now that doesn't mean you become a leftist bleeding heart and run around apologizing you know you know because you're white to counter this and you don't then run around and put swastika armbands on either in my view you say damn it here's the scam they're running don't we want to be smart enough to not do this and be a bunch of idiots and then if we fail at 20 years from now i'm in some white redoubt with my family because i'm what and a giant who invited you that aren't white are coming to kill me i'm gonna fight and fight hard damn well you better believe it they choose to be racial they choose to run their flags that way they want to fight they'll get one

but that'll be a group of non whites that have decided to come at me because i'm white it won't be all the other brown people that didn't choose to be with that pirate horde what are you talking about so so in this scenario did you try inviting non white people to your redoubt are there any non white people at your redoubt or did you self did you self select a white redoubt he said it was a white in order to keep everybody else out i don't know that hey chicken or egg dan right that's fucked up that is fucked up i don't even want to address any of that stuff he's a he's a white nationalist yeah yeah or at least a white redoubtist right he just talks about it in more like sort of abstract in the future when it comes to it you'll do this yeah whereas richard spencer

is like we need to do this i mean obviously i'm going to join with the whites in the coming race war of course of course but until then hey i love second generation sure so in the past i've found polls that show that there's some conservative identification among generation z folks but also that the age group is overwhelmingly in favor of very progressive politics when i've looked at this question in the past i've always come away thinking that there's a complexity in the younger set that polling must not be able to capture on the one hand you can find like a forbs article citing a uk study that found that 59 percent of gen z respondents had quote conservative or moderate views on social issues on the other hand pew polling from last year showed clear progressive

leanings among even self-identified republican members of generation z for instance they found that 52 percent of self-identified republican gen zers said that the government should do more to solve problems which is far higher than any other generation and gen z republican leaning people are far more concerned about climate change and are far more likely to believe that humans have a part in causing it also just generally gen z is overwhelmingly on board with recognizing systemic racism supporting people's pronouns and a lot of stuff holds true even among republican leaning members of that group what it looks like is this there are some people under 24 who identify as conservative or republican but that doesn't mean anything close to what alex

thinks it does one of the likely outcomes you might expect from this sort of data is that these people will grow up and realize that their politics are not republican leaning at all and they'll stop identifying themselves that way alternatively if there are enough among the generation who retain their republican identification and they're fairly left leaning ideas along with it you could see a gop being pushed to the left by that constituency i have no idea what to expect but i can say definitively and confidently the generation z is not the most conservative generation and even if it's not as liberal as some like to imagine it's entirely possible that labels mean a different thing to gen z than people like alex want to realize his brand of

conservatism is not popular among anyone except maybe the silent generation who's still alive that's uh i mean it's and even not that because isn't bernie part of the silent yeah isn't that true uh no i mean it's obvious regardless of party affiliation there's going to be a difference in perspective from the baby boomer generation who knows they're going out real soon and gen z who knows that when they're fifty they're going to be dying in a giant hellscape earth that's going to change your opinion on future policies yep yeah so in this next clip alex talks a bit about uh the democrat and clinton broken coalition strategy and it's interesting because he's had larry nickles on to yell about it a lot actually larry doesn't yell much sort of ramble a bit about

it but the way alex is talking about this i don't really think he understands what that means i don't think he understands what the broken coalition is the left to have something called a broken coalition strategy all these atomized alone people that they then throw together and right now they're using the attack training doll of white people and whites need to reject it and get in the face of it and get in the face of the left pushing racialism and a total abandonment of christianity and marlitha king jr and everything and absolutely get in its face and if he'll talk the racist left then talk spencer would talk i talked to him i in fact listeners should recommend the racist minority leaders we should get on but all but

behind almost all of them are white phd ford foundation folks weird great uh okay well then don't get then get the weird white phd foundation people right no they're not gonna bother they're not gonna come on of course not so i don't care about that stupid bullshit and his trying to say that richard spencer is on the left or whatever yeah the broken coalition every time i've heard larry nickles talk about it this is a strategy that is specifically about prior one of the things that every candidate would do is prioritize straight white christians as the largest demographic block that you're vying for right the clintons realized that you could fight for this demographic or you could understand that there's a lot of people in the world who have different interests

so you could bring in the lgbtq community you could bring in the african-american community you could bring in hispanic voters and the sum of those coalition that are disconnected apparently because of their individual interests create a larger voting block than the straight white christian block yeah that is how it's always been described to me in the way i understand it but alex seems to think that it's broken people yeah people who are like individual isolated yeah one person over here one person over there and that's not at all what the conversation has always been i think that he doesn't understand the topics he's talking about i don't know i i i mean that's that's stupid just just a few years later g w and the conservatives would name it better and just

call it the big tent why how do you get so confused at broken coalition i don't know that's so stupid yep so in this next clip no wonder the conservatives had to dumb it yeah so in this next clip alex talks about how you know his whole conception is that the globalists you know they create two sides and then make them fight sure the dialectic right yes but alex prefers the russian model which isn't good they create the two sides clash them together i like the russian model where they know they've been attacked they know they brought in all these other groups to hate russians russians have been told to hate themselves not have kids all kill themselves russian suicides down russians for the first time in decades are living longer uh and they're having more kids

and they're coming back not out of a racist thing that russians are best but today we're russians and we we like ourselves and we like who we are and we've survived a bunch of people trying to take us out for 500 years and we're not going to go down and we're proud of ourselves if you want to work with us if you're anybody in the group that's great but you want to come in and tell us what to do we're going to throw your ass out and if you try to stop that we're going to kill you and that's what the polls are doing and that's what the hungarians and the romanians and the checks are doing because they've been invaded what do they all have in a hundred years by muslims and they know it when they hear again that white people are bad you better let the muslims in to

run your life they say you know what i can't go to a muslim country and say i'm gonna run the whole show i'm pulling my knife out and i'm fighting to the death and they're winning whoa okay so alex prefers that model what just why is he even bothering to pretend you yeah just say you're a fucking nazi jesus all i'm saying is i want a homogenous population all sharing my exact appearance and values and all the stuff that i say and i want them to wipe out everybody who gets in the way i don't understand what the problem here is why are people calling me a racist right and you know hey if uh people come in uh to the country and they aren't completely subservient to my interests in my groups i'm going to take out my knife and i'm going to fight to the death

and we're winning jesus yeah it is just stopped it is it does seem to be an artificial distinction that he he he desires to make and yeah it's very upsetting i'm almost what i what i care most about is the people who are getting hurt whenever we allow the races to mix that's my issue all we're doing is fighting all the time let's go to a homogenous whites only population or without nothing bad ever happens when that goes on alex is interested in unity man that's yeah yeah sorry so if there's one shining bright spot in this episode horses are psychic that is true second is that it's been a long time but alex brought back one of the hits in this we're going to get the high women no no no not a musical hit oh but one of his greatest hits okay something we

might have spent way too much time talking about in the past i mean i'm not a big part of your but when i was getting divorced like five you know six years ago i would go to halloween parties and stuff and i would have women and other people walk over to me because i was famous and go are you a nazi because i was wearing a captain hat and look at nazi hat and now and nazi hat you know a white guy and i'd say you know and they would say more about well you know there's all these nazis around i'd and i'd say no you're the nazi you're a racist that comes here the most open country in the world you tell me i'm a racist and it was like arab men doing it and left us women i'll just laugh at them in the party and just get in their face and they would

they would piss like a nazi because they were so sorry no i'm not a racist let me let me suck your boots that's not going to happen either so we get the uh nazi halloween hat story making a resurgence in 2020 very i wonder what i wonder why he's thinking about that nazi hat right now that's strange it's odd that's really weird i don't know maybe he's in the mood to deflect criticism that he's uh giant nazi so alex talks about how like he gets attacked for a lot of stuff but one of the things he never really gets attacked about is talking about how extra dimensional aliens are attacking him richard spencer's on twitter he's on youtube i'm not because i'm trying to stop the anti-human takeover and notice they don't attack me when i say hey it's off world

entity manipulating humanity trying to teach us how to destroy ourselves notice they don't make a thing out of that because they all follow that they all know that they're not atheists it's a freaking ufo cult out in san francisco and uh silicon valley they take huge doses of drugs to interface with these entities that are giving them the blueprints the ideas of all this crap to build and then how to make us racially fight with each other to take us down let me explain it again interdimensional aliens are attacking us to make us all kill each other the bible says it are we going to put up the bible says this stupid are you complaining that no one attacks you for that

because we we do pretty regularly yeah your this is stupid also based on what we're learning more and more about project camelot stuff uh-huh people should be attacking more people for interdimensional alien stuff because usually underneath it is a shit ton of racism yeah it does seem like there's a weird overlap yeah um yeah and i also think that other people are mocking him for this but it might not be the most relevant thing that like let's say a publication like the daily beast would want to cover it kind of fades into the background when there's more pressing real world issues right than alex believes extra dimensional demons are causing racism and giving global this secret space technology yeah yeah that's not for right wing watch that's for

interdimensional right wing watch right it's a new one i'm starting well i'll talk to jared we'll see what happens it's one of those things too that like i could see like an editor just being like this is the least harmful of his beliefs yeah pass guys yeah pass yeah we're an entertainment show so we make fun of it quite a bit it would get a lot like that also you were a nazi hat dude yeah so alex goes to calls uh to no what yeah um and there's an interesting thing that happens on this call well i finally got through happy um new year that new decade i call it the doubly roaring 2020 like you had the roaring 1920s doubly roaring 2020s yes sir this year yeah we got it buddy doubly roaring 2020 if you notice that caller wished alex a happy new decade and alex is

very insistent that it is not the beginning of the new decade he thinks that thinking that it's a new decade is a globalist trick because the globalists like to fuck with calendars this caller does not get corrected i think this caller is obviously a globalist because nobody would make a nickname longer than the roaring 20s that was an already long nickname the doubly roaring 2020s rare whoa i don't know if this guy is a globalist or not but something he says in this next clip leads me to believe probably not i i'm possibly i i'm guessing that i am your best customer in Copenhagen and in Denmark and maybe in our old scandinavia probably i did the stats today you're the only one about nineteen thousand dollars last year on it holy shit it's that tiny

percentage of folks that underwrite this show so money well spent my friend god bless you that's real bad nineteen grand how i don't know how that he lose money gambling with this products or something what happened i wonder if that's just not true i can't be true it seems very high nineteen thousand what is it everything a lot of stuff is pretty expensive so it's real expensive yeah and i mean if you bought like a like one of those water filtration devices that are like oh that's like yeah yeah because they're like the one some of the ones that alex sells are for like showers and stuff too so it's like a lot of water yeah i could see you know i i i see it being possible i also see it being on wise yeah i will say that i i was shocked by that's like

that's like when you hear somebody spent a thousand dollars on candy crush you're like you can't even you can't do that can you do that you can't do that you did what how why so once this caller says he spent nineteen thousand dollars last year at alex's store you kind of got to get like this guy's got a you got to let him talk yeah and here's what he has to say i just want to start with some background that i believe um based on my you know extensive research over decades now of you know world history and psychology and all i'm gonna get some naziism at this day is the greatest psychosocial political economical spiritual super genius ever and i and the thing about him is if there were if there were a political IQ test his would be about a 300 i mean and i've been saying

now for years he is clearly studied macaw valley he's clearly studied besmark he's clearly studied sun sue and he's clearly studied claudius and i can get into any one of those uh okay man i mean maybe you should try reading more recent books i how can you possibly believe that what that i mean how can you spend 19 thousand dollars on info wars products never mind yeah of course he believes that trump is the single greatest bad about yeah i'm out yeah good call so why am i engaged yeah exactly and i'm not going to either so alex says in this next clip that i got kind of derailed man that andy vac story that i had was supposed to be the main story today that i ended up and then i was a nazi for a while anyways let's get back to you and i just basically mainstreamed richard

spencer with my audience i kind of forgot well i better yell about it you know i probably won't get to the u n report even though it's our top story i've covered it sunday i covered it friday i covered saturday it's it's so huge maybe i should just do the whole show tomorrow on it because you can't just you know go piecemeal on something this big the head u n scientist says vaccines are killing people let's say that again vaccines are killing people and we've been covering it up and there's no accurate real testing and then she's on tv saying it's all safe and effective and we have all the other top scientists saying you don't want adjuvants and people are pissed and the doctors don't believe us anymore and they know the vaccines are hurting everybody this is it the top summit in

switzerland and of course it's in the independent media and okay a few hundred thousand views on my website a bandah video this needs to be everywhere and the only way it gets out is you but see first it's sensor alex jones and now it's don't talk about vaccines don't even tell us what's on the insert wow that's stopping public health that's covering up for corrupt drug companies that facebook and google are invested in filthy criminals and now they want to make these vaccines mandatory the nazis just lines you up and shot you but see they know how to give you a shot kills you 10 years later you gotta stop talking about violence is going to come out of this i don't want violence but if they keep trying to force vaccines and people get their kids hurt and they get hurt

these vaccine heads and these corporate heads and then big tech heads are going to be fair game open season whoa that's not good that's not good open season on i guess doctors and the pharmaceutical people because of vaccines by that same sort of logic you could really see somebody making an argument that people who push anti vaccination stuff should be killed like hey there's open season on them because if you could create some sort of a causal inference between people disseminating anti vaccination information in various areas or let's say increased numbers of people getting vaccine waivers on exemptions and then outbreaks of diseases happening if you could do that then it would track that anti vaccination is causing people to be hurt and killed yeah of

course so and then there's one reason on guys like alex jones and of course that's not but appropriate of course that's not good so you just see like this sort of line probably feels good for alex to say but realistically he's opening the door for people who are extreme on the other side to justify violence against him of course it's all very stupid and it doesn't take into account the reality of the situation it's just blustery nonsense that is only meant to escalate and make people not really understand the topics that are becoming covered being covered but feel intense things yeah and the violence doesn't end there man alex starts talking about fentanyl and now he wants to kill all chinese people not necessarily but a different group one grain of

pure fentanyl will kill you and they're lacing everything with it and i just everybody i know as people dying or almost die from it i am so pissed i'm gonna say this anybody in my family gets hurt by fentanyl i'm i'm holding the democrats responsible and the china really that's violence attacking me and my family and i am pissed and they are there they're it's horrible engine and thank god trump's trying to stop it and thank god that law enforcement understands this isn't like cocaine or something where they let some of it slip through or whatever anybody with fentanyl selling it needs to be executed do like china does or singapore kill people that sell it i want them dead because it's too damn millions are getting killed by this crap and it's pissing me off excuse

me um millions so here we find noted self-described libertarian alex jones expressing a desire for the state to enact lethal force against people who are engaging in a market interaction where they provide a dangerous substance that people can choose to take or not why doesn't alex believe that people have individual rights why does alex think that the state has the right to initiate violence this should be entirely against his basic political principles at least it would be if he were actually a libertarian but he's not he's evolved as many libertarians do into a full-on authoritarian the legal system does already recognize that selling drugs that result in injury or death require harsher penalties like longer prison sentences are you sure they don't

require execution no okay positive of that what alex is calling for is execution of drug dealers and even uh in his calling for it he's cognizant that his position is in line with the horrible oppressive states that he thinks are the big evil in the world and one of the main problems you're going to run into if you try and enact a policy like this is where's the line many of the people who are selling opiates with fentanyl in them has no idea there's fentanyl in there should these people be killed too how do you prove and establish that a drug dealer had foreknowledge of exactly what was in the drugs they were the middleman for selling it's almost an impossible case to make and i would assume that what you'd end up doing is probably just encouraging summary executions of

people and now we're at deterrent levels yep you know what i remember based on two amendments to the constitution prohibition works well i mean they didn't just execute people with booze see uh wasn't that what the intouchables was about executing people with booze might have been a subplot further i want to ask this question what's so special about fentanyl that it that makes alex want to kill people who sell it sure it's dangerous and it can be lethal but so can tons of other drugs and a death from an overdose is a death from an overdose regardless of what substance people take according to the cdc only 67.8 of drug overdose deaths in 2017 were even from opiates and that's not all fentanyl approximately 20 of overdoses involved

cocaine so would it like would it would be important for alex to explain exactly what it is about fentanyl that makes it okay to kill someone who sells that but not okay to kill a cocaine dealer this is the real issue alex thinks he's making a nuanced cogent point like that fentanyl is just so much more dangerous and thus you have to kill people who sell it but this is just the exact same line of rhetoric that anti-drug people have used forever he has subjectively decided that fentanyl is so dangerous that it merits killing dealers but using that same path of reasoning someone who's universally anti-drug could point to the 20 percent of od deaths in 2017 involving cocaine and say that cocaine is so dangerous that you just have to kill people who sell it

plus the opiate crisis is not just about fentanyl tons of people who are dying are dying from taking prescription opiates which can be super dangerous when they're abused using alex's line of reasoning it would be possible for someone to advance the position that we should kill pharmacists which kind of i kind of hope this illustrates how absurd alex's position is this level of baseline childish and violent positioning is really dangerous alex is mad about stuff so he's letting off some steam saying drug dealers should be killed but the effect of this is normalizing positions that should be way far outside what's acceptable but then again alex has never really had a problem with juter so this is probably just something he's been

cool with for a while and just you know kept under wraps i hear i hear two things going on one i can hear him like finally reacting angrily to rolling over and letting richard spencer rub his belly it seems like that probably is psychologically involved yeah if you can't prove it it feels that way yeah yeah and and then two just this like because he was talking to this out now white nationalist his rhetoric is so much more violent and so much more based around extermination i think you might be seeing court like coincidence i could be that's entirely possible but he's not talking about like we need to put people in prison this is straight up exterminating true you know but but that's also still fairly in line with the escalation that he's been going

on for months you're right the last few months now so like i can see psychologically the way alex operates and how fucked up he often is after an interview doesn't go the way he wants it to yeah my sense from listening to it like the entire thing it doesn't really track that way okay necessarily i think it's more just like this is more what he's doing these yeah yeah so i i don't know i mean these clips are curated and ordered so i i mean obviously i don't have the full context there right that's the progression it sounds like because the ones immediately after he was fairly docent and or dose docile and like a little defensive as we get further and further away from it it's pure like and we should kill them i think it's more the i think it's more a reflection

of how extremely he's selling this u n vex story yeah and he realizes that he didn't cover it on the show so he needs to make up for it a little bit that leads him towards this violence right right and it carries over into the the fentanyl thing yeah that makes sense i i think that that's probably but i'm glad you brought that up because i i think you could easily but be heard by our listeners as like that being the natural conclusion and honestly we can't know now that might be what he's going through sure or am i not that's entirely possible yeah unfortunately that's how the world so alex takes one last call here on the show and i think this caller might be into project camp a lot all right sir so i have something i want really quickly the crew to just promise me

they'll look up it doesn't have to be the day but in the next few days look up salvatore pious salvatore pious put out a patent it's a patent for a a a vehicle that that the u s navy is using it says it's operable and enabled and y'all should really look into salvatore coming in salvatore salvatore pious but it's like it's pious p i p a is like the country okay and it's it's a ship that is made literally translates to savior of our country this is real this is really really real it's an anti-gravity craft that can go from mach 46 and forty six yeah so mach 46 dan yeah it's fast so over the past few years salvatore pious has applied for patents on behalf of the navy for a number of very futuristic technologies including a machine that would create electromagnetic

fields a zero loss electric electrical generator and a compact nuclear fusion reactor there's literally no reason to believe any of these things have been made they're just patent applications anyone can apply for patents for whatever they want it's not required that they patent something that actually exists at the time of application some people theorize that these patents are part of a misinformation campaign to make other world leaders believe that the united states either has or is working on particular things which could have the effect of redirecting some of their research and lead them to wasting a bunch of money down rabbit holes sure sure that does seem like something that's within the realm of possibility but i have no idea what's going on

that that is just a theory that some people have advanced we're at eight dimensional chest now and science has proven that there are dimensions above and below and all around us dan and evil spirits are real and that's how you play chess this stuff is being pushed by people like david wilcock the exactly what this caller is saying yeah it's people in the project camel outside of the equation until there's any proof of any of this stuff other patent applications you know once there is that i'll start to give a shit but for now this is really ignorable what this demonstrates very clearly though is that there is a basic lack of reality literacy and people like this caller and to a certain extent alex the caller doesn't realize that a patent doesn't mean the same thing

as an actual invention so he's using completely irrelevant proof to claim that the navy has all this futuristic tech because alex doesn't really know the difference either he can't explain it to the caller that he's making a reasoning error these two people have different deficiencies but they compound each other the caller has a basic misunderstanding which he presents to alex who's supposedly an authority figure in his capacity as that authority figure alex completely abdicates any responsibility to set this caller straight about patents and in doing so he allows his stamp of approval to tacitly attach to this stuff it's just bad work all over the place yeah also there's a slight problem with the translation of salvator pious's name

they aren't specifying what language it translates in and then you know you're saying it's savior of the country salvator does mean savior in italian but pious is country in spanish there is a word for country that's close in italian but that form is spelled differently it's not the same word and it's not the word that most italians would probably use in that context right pious is more for like town so generally so he's the savior of both italy and spain is what you're saying totally okay translation is complicated and honestly it's more fun to use this guy's name to build a conspiracy so i get where this yeah yeah no i'm fine with that yeah so they they talk a little bit and this is sort of how we we end up the show i just have one question for

this caller and it determines whether or not i believe anything that he's saying what do you think about the getty do you have a telescope okay alex i mean he's not doubling down on this guy this caller but he isn't also bringing any reasoning or any rationality into it this is this is space forces this is a craft of space force realize that well i know there's a lot of hidden technology they haven't rolled out yet and and trump wants to do that to innovate us out of this out of this bubble uh and do an even bigger one a big juicy one uh so uh i will look into it yeah there it is that's an article i haven't i haven't seen that if that's got some documents i'll look into that looks like daily mail so the headline of this article in the daily mail begins quote us navy

has been granted a patent on theoretical aircraft theoretical being the operative word there the article literally says that a representative from the navy has said that the tech described in these patents is not possible quote as corroborated by a letter defending the patent penned by the chief technical officer of the navy naval aviation enterprise james sheehy the mode of movement is quote beyond the state of possible also for someone who's made a career selling gold and survival goods warning that the globalists are going to collapse the economy seems weird that alex would applaud trump for escaping the current economic bubble by entering a bigger juicier bubble that's just a fundamental misunderstanding of the word bubble yeah it seems like if anything he

should recognize that the end result of that bigger uh uh it's a bigger and less juicy crash use the alex's edge put a band-aid on a value mega work yep oh the oceans are heating put a lot of ice in there and that'll solve the problem forever so this seems like a weird way to end but it is how alex ends the episode yeah but it also i think is really actually very salient to the problem that is going throughout this episode and largely speaking a lot of alex's life and career and this caller is calling in with a complete bullshit very easy misunderstanding of how things work yeah he believes that they've applied for this patent and therefore this machine exists yeah this would be pretty simple to set straight with like no

patents don't work that way look there's a bunch of time machines that have patents why don't you go through the patent office see all the stuff that doesn't exist can't exist uh whatever works perfectly right so that would be something that alex should instill in his audience a greater understanding of how the world works so they can be better critical thinkers that's presumably what alex's mission is you want smart people out there absolutely you know living in the real that'll do it but because alex's main basic narratives and everything that he talks about doesn't stand up to any kind of critical scrutiny now he needs to have an audience that does believe the patents mean a real spacecraft exists he has to have that and so he will never do any of the

pushing back on the callers in order to help them reach a more critical thinking oriented space this unfortunately has the byproduct of having a group of people you've brought together to think uncritically um exposed to people like richard spencer dancing circles around you yep so when you have somebody like richard spencer on and you think oh just because i'm so great and awesome and smart i'm going to have him on here and he's going to bow before me with my superior points i'm correct 97 percent of the time after all all i do is interview mutual liars and collaborators basically people yeah yeah on the same scam as me so i have a very over inflated sense of my ability to make arguments and simultaneously i'm surrounded by co-workers and employees who put up with me

barging offset yeah because i'm mad about mic not being given to me or some shit i have outbursts all the time that people have to put up with i mean an abusive situation with my employees and so of course i am going to be great at talking with this guy guy comes in completely dismantles all of the counterpoints and the audience that is trained to be basically just they're they're sitting ducks for this ship i hit a thousand playing in my t-ball league so naturally i can bat another thousand playing this minor league shit poster yeah yeah cool they're sitting ducks for bad actors who are introduced into alex's space in ways like this e michael jones and richard spencer are like particular examples of it lately like if you did any preparation

you would know what you're exposing your audience to and alex that that's why it becomes very difficult and i understand where you're coming from where it's like there's a plan here it becomes very difficult to deny that it appears that there is when the behavior seems very consistent yeah when there appears to be a pattern to it it's it's hard for me to sit here and say like alex is just you know he's just bad at this yeah he's inviting these people on like a guy who hates jews very passionately yeah or richard fucking spencer he's just inviting them on he's doing a bad job yeah like it's hard for me to take that position and i don't fully take that position i only do so because i don't see any like actual hard evidence that this is a plan yeah but i i even

still i can't deny that this is kind of what you would do if you were trying well i think that's where we get right back to the 2013 investigation i don't care functionally it is the same fair you know that's fair one way or the other i i mean it's not my job to parse how people feel or what they're thinking i mean it's it's my job to parse right right that's the difference it's fair enough i will now end my my sentence no and that is fair and i i take your position entirely as well in in terms of like the functional difference is negligible it's not really important what the end result is is you're presenting hardcore bigots to your audience under the auspices of pretending to push back against it or explore what they believe yeah at at the same

time presenting them in the most positive light yeah imaginable the function of that is your sitting duck audience is going to think of them in a different way than they might have if they were presented based on what they actually believe and what they've actually done right so yes i agree with you my only quibble is at all like from my perspective if he's doing it intentionally it does change what you should think about alex yeah if you're if he's doing it accidentally and like because he's a white supremacist mr magoo just fumbling through yeah his existence i mean still look at him and think he's pretty bad but doesn't excuse his behavior no but i do think that there's a different approach you would take in terms of looking at it that's the only

thing that's relevant for me yeah and it is becoming harder and harder to allow plausible deniability yeah but i don't think i don't i don't know i don't know i'm i'm i'm mixed on it yeah i uh i don't know i feel like it's it's similar a little bit to me to hearing that my low recording of richard spencer like i don't i don't care i mean obviously that is the end result of his white nationalism sure that's part of his white nationalist belief if he just even says i'm a white nationalist i don't care if there's a gotcha tape he's already revealed that the gotcha tape is is what he thinks right the gotcha tape you know the gotcha tape is implied it's implicit but at the same time it is and you shouldn't need that like the new york times

shouldn't need that to know that you don't give this fucker a because they're doing that you know and you shouldn't need brett steven's most recent column to know that he's a fucking nazi too like you don't need all that stuff for functional purposes as opposed to i'm not going to say that i can prove that a tape like that existed until one but functionally it might as well have right right you know yeah i do you see what i'm saying that yeah yeah i think we have similar positions just from slightly different places of of uh responsibility yeah anyway this was a tragic episode yeah i think that as we see 2020 developing i wouldn't be surprised if richard spencer comes back and i honestly wouldn't be surprised if alex ends up talking irresponsibly

with even more extremists yeah as as things roll along so i mean i'm actually going to disagree with you i think i would be surprised if richard spencer came back not because of anything they talked about but because alex either is going to recognize that he got his ass roundly handed to him i doubt that or he is going to be told not to i doubt that too i would say it's entirely dependent on what kind of coverage he gets out of it yeah that's probably true i mean if he gets a lot of new traffic i would assume he's going to keep going down that road yeah you're probably right but i don't know i mean like you got uh you got a a trend growing not good so i don't look forward to where this goes but we will be back jordan uh yeah we have a website dan it's knowledgefight.com

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