Knowledge Fight - #399: February 12-14, 2020

Episode Date: February 17, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss some recent affairs on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex calls for a whole ton of murders, passive-aggressively abuses his own lawyer, and is just generally wrong about things.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight, then endure knowledge fight, I need money, Andy and Kansas, stop it, Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray, Andy and Kansas you're on the earth, I love you, I love your world, knowledge fight, knowledge fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back knowledge fight. I'm Dan, we're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan Jordan, Jordan. We all know that you're a appreciator of dunks is quite a setup. Last night was the dunk contest. Let me ask you a question. Was it? When was the last dunk contest you watched? I mean I aside

from the YouTube clips that you watch all the time. I don't know ever. I mean back when I used to watch basketball when I was like 15 or something. So you haven't you haven't watched it? Not current ones. I've seen clips of the like more recent ones, but whenever I go back and I watch dunks, I'm watching 90s. I'm not not because I think that they're bad now, right? Just there's something magical about like those terrible uniforms with the shirt. There's so aesthetic about it. That's like really exciting to me. And I know it's probably because I was a young man. I was watching sure those things. But yeah, there's just something that there's a there's an air. There's an air to it. There's just a certain

something that that the present day of NBA doesn't capture. Yeah. Who's your favorite 90s? Dunker Rex Chapman, baby. I know Rex Chapman is okay. What do you got? He can't be your favorite dunker. It just can't be. I don't know. Vince Carter was really innovative with a lot of his. I remember back when I was young, I don't know. I don't know if he was ever a really relevant player, but I remember Isaiah Ryder was a writer that always talked about is like a great dunker. Yeah. Like the D Browns of the world or like a little tiny guy. Sure. Absolutely. What's Budweb dunked? It was a miracle. We all yeah. Everybody got off the bench and crazy. Look at that tiny guy dunk got on our knees, raised our hands.

Holy ghost. And we did the movie. Mugsy Bogues never went that route. He was a tiny man, but he never went the dunk route. The novelty. Maybe he didn't. I just don't remember. I don't know. But he also was on the same team as like Alonzo morning and Larry Johnson. Those guys were those guys. Well dunkers. So this has been a dunk talk dunk talk. There was just some controversy at last night. Right. Oh yeah. I was unaware of this. Please fill me in. Yeah. One dude got five rounds, all 50 points, perfect scores, five straight rounds, then he jumped over Taco Falls for the finals. Taco Falls is a seven foot five. He's real tall. Okay. And I grabbed the ball out of his shoulder, managed to dunk it, jumped over

Taco Falls, seven foot five, dunked it, wound up getting a 47 and losing. Wow. Yeah. Perfect up to that point. Exactly. Yeah. They were apparently the story was they were the judges were trying to set up a tie for the final course. They were all this cheating, but they couldn't do the math right. So he got 47 and wound up losing is so bad. That's an interesting conspiracy theory. I'm not sure if I buy into it. I was trying to pay attention to your story, but I kind of got lost in thought because I can't decide Rex Chapman can't dunk over Taco Falls. Rex Chapman could do anything. Cannot. The thing that I was lost in thought about was I can't decide whether or not I'm opposed to like when people don't go over

cars. Yeah. Okay. I think that I'm against it because I think that I don't like novelty prop aspect. Okay. You should just be you and the ball and maybe another person you're jumping over. Okay. How is the person any different than the car? Am I being a stick in the mud? Maybe talking over a car is really cool. Should you be allowed a trampoline? I think not. I agree with the trampoline. Although do you remember that? That's a performance enhancing drug situation. Do you remember slam ball? What is slam ball? It was a league that got started. I think it was on like fx or something like that. One of those spike TV. Okay. Okay. And it was just a basketball league, but it was a whole court of trampolines.

All right. Now I want that. It didn't last, but it was pretty fun. I want tackle falls on a recipe for neck injuries. Terrible idea. So anyway, this is a podcast where apparently I have a lot of feelings about dunks and it was unaware of the controversy from the last night's dunk contest. I hope everybody is being sued appropriately. Absolutely. But I do know a lot about Alex Jones and I know a lot about the former and nothing about the latter. Right. So Jordan today we got an interesting media episode in front of us. We are going over February 12th through 14th. That is a Wednesday through Friday of last week, 12th through 14th, 2020. I'm Dan. This is 2020. God damn it. And it's interesting, man. This

show has so many different tone shifts throughout it that you're going to probably get whiplash. This is whiplash. Yeah. There, there are like real serious moods that change from day to day. Okay. Okay. And it's interesting. A lot of the times we end up focusing on like one episode or maybe two episodes. Sometimes it's kind of difficult to trace the like, this show has no connection to what it was yesterday. Right. Right. Right. And I think you'll experience quite a bit of that today. Okay. So I'm going to get a symbol thrown at my head. Maybe. Okay. So before we get it down to any of that, we got to take a moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are sporting the show. So first, Alex, thank you

so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Alex. Next, Vincent. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Vincent Carter could be great dunker, great dunker, vicious, malicious dunks from Vince Carter. He revitalized the dunk contest. Absolutely. Next, Craig. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Greg. Next, Nicole. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Nicole. Thanks, Ryan. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Ryan. Next, Elizabeth. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Elizabeth. The

big dunk that is. Get the fuck out of here. That was a stretch. That was bad. Finally, like I said, thank you to a couple of people who signed up on an elevated level. We appreciate that very much. So first, Christoph with a K. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat and Jennifer. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crocky, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Christoph. And thank you so much, Jennifer. Yes. Thank you very much. If

you're out there listening and you're thinking, Hey, I enjoy this show. I like what these gents do. I'd like to support it. You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button says support the show. We would appreciate it. Absolutely. Particularly because, you know, we don't say this all that often, but it is maybe nice to remind people we have foregone the operate option, even taking any advertising on this show at any point. So it is all your support that makes this possible and we appreciate it and thank you. Yes, very much so. So here is an out of context drop from today's show, which gives you one of the tones that we're going to be experiencing. Trump should fire everyone who hasn't already

shown themselves to be loyal. Okay. Wow. So, okay. There is a theme of consolidation of autocratic power that is definitely running through these episodes. Trump should remove anyone that he murders from a photo. That is the rule. Right. Also, I forgot about this, but I need to take care of a couple of things really quick before we get into the show. One, there's a couple of side issues. Okay. What I wanted to do is make a sound drop of like a bunch of times Alex saying side issue and then introduce this segment of issues, but I forgot to do that. All right. One is I'm getting a lot of people who like tweeted at me and sent messages about coach Dave Dobbin Meyer because apparently he's suing the NFL or wants

to sue the NFL because he got too horny during the halftime show. Yep. Some along those lines and people like you should, you know, check in on your bully and stuff like that. First of all, not my boy. Second, I have made a conscious decision that I don't want to cover that. I have no interest in it, even though it's getting like, you know, people like a lot of attention was put on making fun of that dude for this. Yeah. And one of the things I recognize is that like he has probably a couple hundred viewers on his YouTube show. It's not like he has a syndicated radio show that's out widely. We would at this point be amplifying him by covering him getting horny for the Super Bowl and it just dawned like I have no interest in that. This is something

best left alone. Yeah, I don't care. No. So that isn't going to happen. I'm sorry if that's disappointing to people. The second thing I keep getting messages about is Jim Baker and his silver sales. Yes, I have received. Yes, because it's running the same path as Alex. He's trying to sell his silver solution as a way that you can fight the Corona virus and I'm pretty excited about that. Not because I think Jim Baker is going to get in trouble, but because of something that you you notice and that is that that was everywhere. That was all over Twitter. People posting the video of Jim Baker selling the silver and just like people like what the fuck is this? Yeah. Now what didn't you see on Twitter? Alex Jones. Exactly. We have

been covering this goddamn story. No, no, no. I don't know about that. I'm not saying like we deserve more attention or anything. No, I see tons of people talking about Jim Baker doing this. Literally no one talking about Alex Jones doing it and that tells me that Alex Jones is less relevant than Jim Baker does seem that to me is satisfying even if it is a bad sign for our careers. I don't like Jim Baker just being allowed to be on the internet. I think he should be kicked off. No, I mean it's not great that anyone, you know, Jim Baker is more relevant than anyone. Yeah, but if we're grading it on a sliding scale, it's good that Alex Jones is so unimportant to people that they don't even notice that he's doing this exact same thing

that they're clowning on Jim Baker for. Yeah, that's good to me. Yeah, that tells me that his his impact and his reach is minimal and I appreciate that. Yep. So those who this has been side issues, side issues, side issues. So we had doubted business here on February 12th and what has happened at this point is that Trump has, you know, he's fired Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, Ambassador Sondland and Alex is really exaggerating this. He's in a mood where Trump is fucking clearing house. Of course. Everyone's got to get him out of here. There can no longer be any doubt. President Trump isn't waiting until he wins the election in 264 days. Launch, not the red wave,

but the red storm. Nailed it. Now engulfing the swamp in DC. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of globalist operatives inside the State Department and the Justice Department and other agencies are being purged as we speak. Thank God. So we got the the air raid siren very reminiscent of Bill Cooper. Yeah. And Alex is saying that there's hundreds and hundreds of people that died in the government that are being purged because they're globalists and these are the people who have been impeding Trump's agenda. So that's the narrative we've been going with. Yeah. This has been a talking point on Alex's show at this point for a couple of days. And honestly, it definitely sounds like something Trump would do since it's an, you know, you know,

it's an outrageously anti-democratic move and it would help scapegoat why he's a shitty president and all that. The problem is that I can't find any evidence that this is actually happening. The hundreds and hundreds of people. Trump did fire Sondland and Vindman as well as his brother. And prior to that, former Ukrainian Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch had resigned at the State Department. Beyond this, I don't really see any proof that there's a mass purging of people within the government. And you'd think people would make a big deal out of that. They would. A post on raw story mentions an advisor to Mike Pence leaving her position and Trump withdrawing a couple of people he'd nominated for the positions of the Pentagon's comptroller and

chief financial officer and the Treasury Department's undersecretary for terrorism and financial crimes. So there are those, but that's still not really that much outside of these examples. I can't find any other globalist purges that are happening. And interestingly, all of these people that have been purged from the government really seem like they're just instances of Trump retaliating against people who weren't 100% on board with his clearly criminal and anti-democratic agenda. Yeah. But see, Alex's show starts with a voiceover of a guy saying, you want to fight against corruption? Well, so does he. So it'd be painfully off brain for Alex to just be like, hooray for explicit corruption. He has to reframe it. And this is the easiest

way to do that. This isn't Trump retaliating against government employees. It's getting Soros globalist people out of the administration and it's not like five or six really egregious examples of retaliation. No, it's hundreds of embedded globalists. He's giving the boot. This is what Alex has been waiting for. Absolutely. The indictments are unsealed. Yeah, kind of. There's a serious downside to this strategy that Alex is employing and that's that it kind of leaves him without any plausible excuses for why Trump still sucks and isn't getting anything done forever. The excuse has been that there's globalists in the mix who are sabotaging things and leaking. But if he's now kicking out hundreds of ne'er to wells, that really easy and

readily accepted excuse is going to be off the table and that seems like a bad play. So it seems like the reality of what Alex is talking about because it's not like tons of purges or anything. No, but what he's actually talking about is there was a story that came out on February 8th about National Security Advisor Robert O'Brien announcing some cuts to the National Security Council staff. The feeling was that the council staff had gotten too big in recent years. So there was an interest in streamlining things. O'Brien had been interviewed by NPR on January 11th and he said that he'd hoped to have 60 to 70 staffers off the council by the end of February. But it's important to point out that they're specifically staffers that actually work for

other government bodies like the Pentagon State Department or the Department of Homeland Security. These are people who are on loan to the National Security Council staff and this move isn't purging them or firing them. It's really just sending them back to their home. I think this is what Alex is talking about. He says the hundreds and hundreds of people. I think he's talking about these people who Robert O'Brien is eliminating their role on the National Security Council, but not purging them. They're just going back to the Pentagon or the State Department. I'm going to go with he's just making it up. Well, I think that he's making it up based on this as the story he's riffing from. I doubt he even knows. Does he bring up that story? I think it

does come up definitely. I don't know if I don't remember if it's Alex bringing it up or a guest. Yeah, but I know that the story eventually does come up on the show. Okay, but what's important here is not it's not that this is a purge of all dissent in the government. What's important is that Alex is reporting it as if it is and he's normalizing that idea. He's making his audience comfortable with the idea that a president like Trump should be able to fill all government positions with people who are blindly loyal to whatever he wants, whether or not they're qualified for the position. This should not be a surprise because this is what Alex does all the time and he is not into democracy or a functioning government. It shouldn't be a surprise

from Trump either. He's already appointed how many justices to every fucking possible court that he can. All of them unqualified and insane. So why would we be surprised that he wants this or is doing it? Right? Yeah. So on our last episode that came out on Wednesday of last week, we discussed how Alex had talked about Roger Stone, the sentencing recommendation was seven to nine years. Yes. Immediately after we put out that episode, things went a little bit wild. Nope, it doesn't matter. Bill Barr Attorney General came out and gave them. They made an amended sentencing recommendation. They should do less than that. Hey, just let him out. Right? Yeah. So Alex is super into that. He's really into this and here he talks about that a little bit.

Here's what President Trump had to say yesterday after U.S. attorneys resigned because they want to give Roger Stone a record long sentence. So real quick, also the sound is terrible because at this point Alex is like, so he's using one of his wandering mics. Okay. So they just infowars does not know how to get this sound right. Whenever he wants to stand up, he has a different mic and it's just a disaster. There are a couple of segments over the course of these three episodes that I was like, this sound is just not good enough to even use. Dan, have you ever been hired to work on a professional show as a sound guy? I have not. Do you do all the sound for this show? Yeah, and I fuck up sometimes. I'm not a professional

sometimes. However, you are better than the entire staff of info. I mean, I wasn't like seven years ago. No, I know, but I mean, I've learned. Yeah. And you're not getting paid as much. No, probably not. Yeah. And of course you've got the head prosecutor who thought she was gonna get a job at the treasury who then resigned only to learn that that nomination was withdrawn. Here's President Trump talking about Roger Stone yesterday afternoon. Yeah, I thought it was ridiculous that that's no, I didn't speak to the just I'd be able to do it if I wanted to have the absolute right to do it. I stay out of things to a degree that people wouldn't believe. So I don't listen to anything he says. And every time he talks,

I want to light this entire country on fire. It's so amazing. Those like turns of phrase and the way he's talking, I have zero doubts that he spoke to the DOJ. Oh, absolutely. What are we doing? What are we even doing? Why would the press even pretend that he didn't? Yeah, that's pathetic when you're saying things like people wouldn't believe the conversations I don't have. And I didn't talk to them, but I totally could have. It feels familiar and I know what's going on. I didn't commit a crime, but even if I did commit a crime, it would be fine. And also in two weeks, I'm going to tell everybody that I did commit that crime right and nobody's gonna care. Yeah. So anyway, as it relates to Roger Stone, he was found guilty of a ton of crimes by

a jury and his sentencing is coming up at the end of this month. The prosecution who worked for the US government recommended that Roger get seven to nine years in prison. I'm editorializing here, but I assume this is partially inspired by his career of destroying people's lives as a long track record of playing shady political games to help authoritarian rulers here in the United States and abroad. Yeah, and it's consistent behavior of trying to derail that trial that he was in as it was happening. Yeah, that is a and one of his charges, the triumph for it, man. Then one of his charges was witness intimidation. Yes, he did tamper with witnesses. That's true. I'm editorializing. I'm just guessing that maybe if I were a prosecutor, I'd be like,

hey, look, he's not been punished for a lot of really shady shit that he's a hundred percent done. You know, hey, maybe he doesn't have a criminal record, but you bet he does. Oh yeah, absolutely. But whatever the reason, Roger had this sentencing request from the prosecution, then Trump tweeted out that his recommendation was quote horrible and very unfair. And what do you know? Just after that, the DOJ overruled its own recommendation and suggested Stone get less time in jail. Honestly, it's a pathetic move on Attorney General William Barr's part since that recommendation doesn't dictate the actual sentencing. That's still the judge's decision. All this does is send a message and that message is that the law isn't really real

even even in terms of the Department of Justice. Yeah, and Trump doesn't give a fuck about any rules. No, no, that is a yeah. I'm going to go with I'm calling it democracy done. The message is clear and as such in response to the revised sentencing suggestion, all four of the prosecutors on Stone's case withdrew from their positions in the case and one of them straight up resigned from the Department of Justice. All that is fairly serious stuff because what they're sending a message with these withdrawals and that is that this is a corrupt operation that they can no longer be a part of. Yes, we've touched on the Roger stuff. Like I said in the last episode, but that was before all this news broke. I said then that I don't really care about his seven

to nine year sentence recommendation because I had no faith that he would have any punishment at all. No, I have a strong suspicion that this move by Trump in the Department of Justice is to trap the judge. So if she sentences Roger to a term in line with the initial recommendation, Trump can have a pretend justification to pardon. I have to pardon him. I told you this was an unfair sentence and you guys didn't reduce it. So I have no choice but to pardon. Right. It gives cover to that. That's kind of how I see this and what I feel is the case. I have no idea if my sense of it is accurate, but that just that seems to be what purpose this would serve to give cover and justification for like, oh, this activist, never Trump or judge. We gave a recommendation. It would have been fine

if he did six months in prison, but I got to just get rid of this. I got to pardon him. I, I, I hesitate at any time to attribute any reasonable motivation behind anything like that. That sounds so reasonable. I think Bill Barr would come up with that. Bill Barr would come up with that. That's true. I think Bill Barr is a rat fucker on the level of Roger Stone. So of course Roger Stone would come up with this. Yes, exactly. Yeah. For now, intimidating the Department of Justice. For now, larger picture. Trump is making moves ensuring a power. He's clearly indicating that dissenters and people who he perceives as crossing him will suffer consequences and that for people he perceives as allies, he'll attack the foundations

of the law to defend them. We're entering seriously fucked up territory and Alex is cheering for all of it because of course he is. Alex isn't into democracy or functioning governments. Yeah. If there's any way that they, there's no way that the election is not fucked with man. I don't know. That's just the end. That's just the end. I used to push back a little harder on your plans of that. You did. I'm still pushing back on it a little bit. We'll see. I don't want, I don't want alarmism here. No, of course not. The problem is over time things have gotten more to what I was being hyperbolic about. I was trying, I was trying to be hyperbolic back then and now it seems like a, yeah, I mean, who knows? Who knows? Anyway, Alex is thrilled.

There's a purge going on. He's, he's super into it. Get all non-Trump loyalists out. That's great. Trump has done it. He's launched a massive legal lawful purge legal lawful purge. Okay, state. It's true. Trump is an outsider. He'd never been elected to even dog catcher. He didn't realize it's customary to remove the political apparatus of the party that was in power. Oh, is it? If you get in power, even if you're in the same party and you get into office, you remove the adjuncts that were working even for your own party usually, because they are loyal to who put them in power, not even to the party itself or the people. And so Trump had a major, major, major blunder when he did not remove those individuals. And so they were working against him

the whole time as Obama and Hillary and neocon, deep state moles. So now Trump says he's firing all never droppers. Excellent. And he is going to fire all anyone that's worked for Soros. Excellent. And anyone that's worked for the Clintons. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. So here we have a very clear cut signal that Alex is fully aware that the behavior he's hoping to see Trump engage in is the very definition of a dictator consolidating power. The fact that he needs to stress this is a legal and lawful purge of people. Yeah, that's what you call a dead giveaway. Yeah, I can find no evidence that what Alex is describing is actually happening that Trump is carrying out a large scale purge of all the globalist Soros types in the government.

But that's what Alex is reporting and he's reporting it as a good thing. So I can so I consulted in for his website. See if they give me any clues about this situation. And I found one interesting article about a guy in the State Department who was, quote, fired by President Trump as part of the spring cleaning in the State Department. The article goes on, quote, President Trump has taken a more active role in running the day to day affairs of the White House by grabbing the reins. Trump is preventing himself from being isolated by his own staff, a real danger given how others have acted as gatekeepers by preventing information from flowing to the president. And they have been drugging his Diet Cokes, I believe. Right. Are they still

doing that? Or did they stop doing? Well, it's interesting to say that because that article that I just read from was posted in March 2018. Ah, there we go. All right. I looked around a little more and I found out about Trump purging dissent in the White House. This one written by Paul Joseph Watson, quote, President Trump is about to take the gloves off in a purge of White House advisors that could begin as early as today. That article is from May 2017. All right. How we do it. It gets really funny when you start poking around a little deeper on their website. They really need to hire someone to clean up all that shit you would think from a January 26, 2014 article with a shared byline from Alex and Paul Joseph Watson with the headline Obama launches

chilling purge against political enemies from the article, quote, Throughout history, every culture has had maxims in law denouncing the openly corrupt sitting in judgment. The Obama Justice Department is openly launching a night of long knives styled purge of their political enemies that should send chills up the spine of all Americans. This article is mostly about Dinesh D'Souza being prosecuted for campaign finance crimes, which he absolutely did a little bit of a sliding thing here. It's really, it's really a struggle. It's really a struggle not to just like scream all the time. I hear you. It is a real struggle. I hear you figuratively and literally when you scream all the time. Yeah. Or how about this article from November 1st, 2013, quote,

In Obama's America, the military must forsake their constitutional oath in favor of blind allegiance to their new commander. I'd be really interested to hear Lieutenant Colonel Vindman's take on that. Well, he was, he was, of course, terrified of the Obama purges that were going on. Obama was consolidating power as the dictator. We all knew he was right. Yeah. The point here is that this is a super common feature of the Info Wars rhetorical cannon and it's turned on its head a little bit in the Trump era. In the preceding years, every single thing that Obama did was considered an unconstitutional purge and attack on patriots or some shit. Well, he was black, Dan. Right. But as soon as Alex joined up with Trump, the tone completely changed and the editorial

line has been one of demanding Trump fire everyone who doesn't agree with him. That's because he's orange. Well, this is because at its core, Alex's ideology is not libertarian or Americana or whatever he pretends it to be. He wants to serve a dictator. And honestly, he couldn't have been more clear about this throughout his career. He's a fashion. It just has to be the right dictator and Trump is that because he believes that his class of person person is safe. Yeah. I'm not sure if Trump said he's going to fire all never Trumpers, all Soros people and anyone who worked with Hillary. I can't find proof of that, but I wouldn't be surprised at this point. The reason Alex is presenting things this way, however, is because if Alex says that Trump is doing these things, what could

otherwise be seen as reorganizing of the security council staff is now framed as the long awaited wish fulfillment. This is Trump in the form that they've been begging for, who's now going to purge all their perceived enemies from office. It's what Q wants. It's sort of all this stuff. Yeah. And there are two possibilities. Either Trump is doing that and Alex is cheerleading and authoritarian ruler consolidating power and silencing all those voices of dissent or Trump isn't doing that. And this cycle will just repeat all over again. Weirdly, Trump still won't do any of the things that Alex insists he totally wants to do, but can't because of all these globalist meddlers like release magical cures for everything. So a new excuse will be needed. And when that time comes, I'll

predict that Alex will just get some high level intel that there's another Soros mole in the administration that got missed in the last purge. And they were what stopped us from getting the miracle cures all along. And the cycle will continue over and over and over again, because none of this means anything. And Alex is just making it up. See, I think the one thing that Alex should be like going on with Trump about is the recent release of all of the Pentagon stuff about how they've got alien UFO research going on and everybody's like whoa, they might actually have something. That's the one thing. That's the one thing. Alex should be like Trump, release all the UFO shit. Just do it. Just do it. He's done that in the past. He's called for that in

the past and I seem to recall even Roger was saying the Trump's going to do that. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, that that's not a standard feature. I want it. Yeah. Well, maybe I mean within the next week. Who knows? Alex is by by the time we get through this. Alex is on have been on quite a roller coaster. He might need something like that. But Alex, you know he his position on this is like Trump can do whatever he wants. Tell the DOJ to do it. Absolutely tell the independent DOJ that is totally independent that he does not have control over. It's fine. It's fine. Trump signal that he's going to be pardoning Roger Stone. Pelosi says that she thinks it's illegal that the DOJ who does

standardize the and have recommendations from the top on what should be reasonable sentencing. Trump's whole justice reform movement is about having nonviolent people not serve as much time. Through the Justice Department say I want you to not give this person a longer sentence than you normally would in the in the sentencing guidelines is 100 percent in his purview. Alex is just muddying up the issue here and that's like it's it's a question of abuse of power for Trump to have the DOJ DOJ change their sensing recommendations in this case. It's not like the prosecutors in that case were just out to get Roger for no reason and Trump is trying to defend an innocent man he has no connection to. Roger was found guilty in a jury trial and the

prosecutors had their recommendation. Clearly Trump tweeted his disapproval and bar made moves to adjust the sentencing recommendation. That's all very clear and it's a very overt case of corruption and most likely reasons going this way as best I can tell is because someone explained to Trump that he couldn't just pardon Roger. That would almost certainly cause a severe reaction because Roger was sentenced for interfering in a case related to Trump. It does seem like that would be corrupt. So instead you have your corruptist attorney general metal in the sentencing recommendation to create a pretext where Roger either gets a super light sentence possibly no time at all or the judge ignores the new recommendation and gives him nine years and you

can easily justify a pardon. That's all the game that's being played here and it's very lame. Yeah I it's super important though that like all these issues about whether or not criminal justice reform can be something a president does sure sure advising the DOJ on general guidelines. Yeah that sort of thing is not even the conversation here. No it's a case that specifically involves the president. Yeah OK so you're telling me that if Roger Stone killed a guy directly at the command of Trump and then he were to pardon him that would send a bad message. That is the the issue. Yeah I would I would imagine that if the election is free and fair and the results are respected. He's just going to pull in HW and pardon everybody who committed a crime right

like everybody like HW did and if he did that I don't think I think I want to be like fuck you but it would be a thing we're like all right let's move on fine get oh go right go and go but and some of them would then probably face other charges because you can't pardon a state level charges right so there might be some prosecutions that still end up happening but yeah that would be the time when that could happen and be like all right whatever yeah you're you're in that period where you lost the election but you're not out of office yet whatever fine just guy just just leave now yeah leave now yeah whatever but it's not going to happen because he would go to jail whenever he loses the election and maybe jail who knows yeah so anyway Alex is

really thrilled about this imagined purge of all the globalists and sorrows and Clinton people and the government and look man we can celebrate that but there's something else that needs to happen and so we can sit here and celebrate going after the democrat deep state and the one back on the all these horrible people but I want back Trump just going to replace himself at the head of that because Tim Cook comes over and has dinner with him and Ivanka and Jared and you know oh maybe Apple's got a couple hundred plants over in China and he'll bring two or three over here so for that pat on the head we're just going to let Apple and Tim Cook control everything and and censor and block and and not let people's information be available in the market of ideas

put me back on Facebook dangerous that's destructive I want to be on twitter that is tyranny want to be on facebook out and taking place now that is basically yeah yeah you were let me back on it you're kind of joking with your prediction but yeah that is that is kind of what what his point was yeah I want back on facebook I want back on facebook look the purge that you're doing a globalist is great love a purge love it love a purge I need back on twitter for 24 hours all crime is legal but put me back on facebook right so you know Alex says firing hundreds and hundreds and hey man it's fine because other people have done things of course and I don't gloat about the fact that Trump's finally purging a lot of the scum it's hundreds and hundreds it's just pouring

in uh so fast who he's getting rid of any obama people any hillary people so fast when Clinton got in in 1993 he fired every U.S. attorney Trump didn't fire any and they said that he was misusing his power Alex is absolutely completely lying no no I remember obama did all of that so I mean he's talking about Clinton but for one I need him to substantiate this flood of firing so he keeps talking about because even now days later I still have no idea who these deep staters are that Trump is allegedly firing uh more importantly though Alex is definitely gaslighting his audience about the firing of U.S. attorneys let me just read to you from a march 10th 2017 article in

politico with the headline Trump team ousts obama appointed U.S. attorneys quote president donald trump's administration asked remaining U.S. attorneys appointed by president barack obama to offer their resignations friday huh that's weird because I just heard Alex say the trump didn't fire any of them he didn't well they they offer a forced resignation no it's not that's what all the fucking presidents do no come on this is a super common thing for presidents do so it isn't some kind of horrific thing trumped it or anything you is worth getting up in arms about or anything and anybody who did was kind of being disingenuous yeah because they were just trying to take shots at trump right interestingly this strategy of pointing the finger at clinton's firing of U.S.

attorneys to justify governmental firings it has a very specific origin and that is the george w bush justice department in 2006 they wanted to get rid of eight U.S. attorneys who they didn't like and to deflect criticism the talking point they deployed was to say that clinton broke with tradition and fired all the U.S. attorneys when he took office this is disingenuous and also not true from the bush administration right for one it was reagan who began the practice of replacing attorneys back in 1981 when he replaced 71 out of the 93 U.S. attorneys that were in place the 2006 firings were a bit of a different situation though because they weren't being done as part of a transition as since you might recall bush was initially he took office in 2001

this was very out of the ordinary and the inspector general ended up releasing a report of an investigation that found that the firings were politically motivated which was still frowned upon back then all mingling of the justice department partisan politics oh we were also young yeah so in order to deflect from what ended up being a pretty big scandal for bush they used the talking point that clinton fired all the attorneys when he took office and since then it's just been repeated ad nauseam and right wing media whenever they need to justify a politically motivated firing yeah replacing people in these positions as part of a transition is a normal part of running a presidential administration these days but firing a bunch of people for political

reasons three years into your term is not that is very abnormal and you can't just say what about the clintons and make all these troubling aspects disappear but that's what alex is doing and what's fascinating is that this is what right wing hacks do yeah this is what alex pretended he wasn't yeah you know this this is what glenn back would have done right right right yeah this is what i don't know rush limbaugh would do not me man i'm above the political divide now you're just using hacky g o p talking points i wouldn't be surprised if in 2003 he went after bush for doing that it would not shock me at all it would be an easy place for him to score some points yeah absolutely and he hates the bushes so yeah yeah so alex gets to some interesting territory here he starts

starts talking about not liking q qanon right which you know we've noticed in the past couple months he's been going pretty hard against q and he also admitted when he was talking to was i think it was steve pacenic he was talking to he said that he tried to co-opt it from the inside so he could make money off it yeah yeah yeah well this clip has a little bit of both of those things and and by the way i think the cute thing's been disinformation from the start and you know makes ridiculously easy predictions like the vote for impeachment will be along party lines that that's very easy to to predict but i'm not going to fight with folks that are into q and like it and like to research things that's healthy to do there's a sticker in there but he's

going to kill q i am q info wars dot com great q's wonderful i've never been about infighting so i'm not going to get into infighting with uh well the god of the universe q so i bow to q you are all powerful and we just have the sticker there now that says it i am q info wars dot com we love you it's wonderful so alex is now selling these stickers that you put on your mouth at rallies and one of them says i am q so he's trying to profit off of q it says i am q info wars dot god damn it so he's like a fucking q's bullshit it's all nonsense but hey man let's make a few bucks five bucks five bucks a pop and you get to i i guess carry out my weird little vendetta against nonsense if you need any indication of how insincere and full of shit and crass marketing

motivation alex has look no further than i think q is bullshit i'm selling a sticker that says i am q yeah and and we get another example of the first clause being demolished by the second clause i've never been a big fan of infighting but q sucks exactly i've never been into infighting it's just also just patently hilarious i just hate glenn go fuck yourself you piece of shit you rip off all my stuff hey look man i don't like to i don't like infighting i'm not i'm not that guy no so alex keeps calling this thing that trump is doing this purge the red storm sure he's really trying to brand that pretty hard trump has launched the red storm hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of firings they're whining they're complaining they're

got their little boxes waddling out of the federal government but the national security council the state department the justice department they were leakers they were liars they were america haters and now finally trump is becoming president so i just take i hear things like that and first of all i hear like man there's some branding going on with this red storm thing yeah that might have something to do with q because the storm is a q thing is it a q that is a big q thing yeah the the storm is upon us that that sort of shit i'm so glad i'd never look into q shit those guys are crazy and the second thing i think when i hear a clip like that is like alex would be so fine with like the night of long knives oh yeah absolutely absolutely he would be all about it he

would buy into whatever the state propaganda was surrounding it of course repeat it he would not be worried at all it just be like look at this hitler's great it's great it's fantastic he's purging the bad guys everybody the stasi is wonderful strong was a gay he was he was the end right we can't have that in the right you're at the sentence yeah exactly he was within oh god it would just be yeah you know just replace that with that we're globalists yeah yeah we the same thing it's unfortunate that we use nazi too much in the previous perhaps twelve years because now we really are living in nazi shit and it's been overdone we can't even we can't even call him not he's in a way that matters we and i think that there's an interesting distinction

between two like the the the specifics of nazi ism and all that not necessarily matching up but the larger themes yeah being very reminiscent to sent into fascism yeah yeah and that the precision that's required with that language is something that i think even we aren't really necessarily equipped right to handle and certainly twitter isn't no so i think what is twitter i not much fake joke formats yes i think that's a good one yeah and getting everyone like me to say fleek things are on fleek you and you never did that no you're not going to start now so alex goes to calls and he takes calls and some of these people are pretty upsetting i think it's time to put the military in here i think it's time to school on you know we uh we can't deal with these

people in the court system we just went through what what trump just went through with the you know his old escapade and you know they're not going to stop and well but here's the deal they were americans doing it it's one thing but they are chi-com and globalist funded as an ethos they say america shouldn't exist so when you're a citizen that says the country shouldn't exist and you're working to bankrupt it and you're working to suppress other people and all these bernie sanders people say they want to put us in death camps but he's gonna kill all of us you just outlaw it i mean it because listen i'm not an authoritarian i'm the opposite of that okay all right all right yeah yeah i'm not an authoritarian i'm the opposite no no i'm the

opposite of an authoritarian yeah totally well makes sense oh god so we hear there too though just like just to keep track of it alex is still pushing the outlaw the democratic party narrative which is deeply upsetting yeah yeah no what we want is definitely for the military to cross the rubicon because as we know that worked out fine it's great wonderful so alex wants not only to outlaw democratic party people existing or that party itself existing he also as mirroring that caller he wants due process revoked for enemies of trauma which is upsetting yeah they brought the authoritarianism they brought the cancer they brought the war they brought and you're right these are americans the and so how do you address something with normal means normal measures when

it's not normal well they already committed treason here of course they did ask that you know from obama all the way up to hillary these people have committed treason and we can't go to the courts and try these people we need military tribunal plain and simple well it is true that happened the nazis but it actually it's it's real when a when a political system works in unison to destroy a country you don't put them on criminal trial you have the military arrest them and you have tribunals so that's what you do and you're right so alex is kind of right that after world war two there were military tribunals for the nazis which is the nuremberg trials right those were technically military tribunals but they're also held under the authority of international law

which i don't think alex would be so into and i've actually heard him speak disparagingly of the nuremberg trials for that exact reason why were they so mean to those nazis dan it's they you know a lot of people who maybe uh have cryptosympathies for nazis also do make the argument that it's international law and i'm against that yes of course of course so but the nuremberg trials weren't some kind of the like summary kangaroo court nonsense alex wants to use to send his enemies to Siberia or guantanamo or whatever military tribunals are appropriate for matters related to military justice which is to say crimes committed by enlisted persons there's a very specific term for the use of military law enforcement or courts on civilians which is what alex is

advocating here that term is martial law which you'd think alex would understand considering he's made an entire career yelling dire warnings about it absolutely he's against it no alex is in favor of martial law well of course he's in favor of it but he's against it right he's in favor because he thinks with trump in charge of it people like himself are in the clear yeah this is pathetic stuff but what it really reveals is how surface level any of his understanding is about even the main topics he covers or any of his positions it's all it's all bullshit nope they all want an authoritarian fascist dictator yes yeah and alex wants murder this is where things take a real weird turn god damn it instead of the marines if trumps can do it he needs covert

action all he's really is the top leadership of the globalist maybe 20 people they all die in kayak accidents this week and they'll stop right to cut the head off and i'm not gonna do that myself but i would support covert action i would i would support the president anybody that's taking chi-com money send in the teams and kill them can you trust the people that alex you do that there's people that can be trusted to carry it out we'll be right back stay with us that's upsetting why why would you even play that music what do you not do they know they're not the good guy of course they have to yeah oh god that's why alex quotes palpatine all the time like he knows that he's the bad guy he's a bad guy so we now have alex saying that he would

support trump enlisting assassination teams to covertly murder the heads of the globalist structure or whatever i guess david rockefeller's already dead so he's not going to be a target probably not but if you're a regular listener of the show you know what this means stelter dork soros it means of course brian fucking stelter isn't stelter is gone he's in my list as a joke and you beat me to it but you also have the first name i thought of of course you also have bill and melinda gates you have hillary clinton obama and here's the thing all of those people are u.s citizens yes alex is explicitly calling for the targeted murder of u.s citizens by a president of course it just can't be clear that what alex wants is to live in the most

brutally repressive dictatorship imaginable just with his class of person not affected by that dictatorship all he wants is the secret police to become death squads and covertly murder all of his political enemies i don't understand what the problem here is sure this is normal behavior sending in the marines using military tribunals marshal law outlawing rival political parties assassinations of citizens who you politically disagree with this stuff is all pretty classic anti democratic stuff a little bit it's time to get real about things alex jones doesn't hate liberals he hates liberalism as in free and open societies yes and functioning democracy against it yes because then you have people who don't act like him right anybody who took chinese money

anybody kill them including i guess all of us i don't i don't know how you can not where do you draw the line yeah exactly you say all of us this podcast is not taking check on no no no but don't kill me i won't be in a kayak anyway alex uh you know he gets down to talking about this and he really starts talking about a lot of murders he's really on a murder kick here on the 12th 70 years ago at the end of world war two was 97 percent rural maybe two percent of them had electricity maybe 10 had running water he's talking about china here sorry i should have set that up better sure and now they've got more industry than we do that was because globalists made deals to build them up artificially because globalists own china so that was their own investment

going straight up that said anybody that is in bed with the chai comms once they got more arrogant in the last 20 years or so they make you put one of their officers in your company what and so anybody that's got a chinese intelligence agency operative in their deal we don't need to sit there and let that damage the economy let's just talk about what you actually do we kill the chinese agents not me i'm talking about trump needs to have the military go kill them that's what you're supposed to do okay just tell them this is not acting tough it's not oh i'm big man guy that's the default you got a foreign intelligence operative inside the senate inside the house inside the u.s corporation kill them

my god it's not a big deal go grab them out of their house at night and slip their damn throat what you're supposed to do we'll stop playing games here kill the chinese agents now let's start there i don't really trust alex to have a good gauge on who is a chinese spy and who maybe is a chinese business person or just a chinese person could be anybody i think this is a pretty bad departure down a weird road alex is really just straight up calling for a lot of murders on this episode i don't know like i don't know whether or not to be terrified of everything or just remember that he's a ridiculous like nonsense figure like you know like he's a clown but at the same time so was penny wise like i don't know i don't know what to do here i think of like yeah i don't know

i have a difficult time with because i can't i don't take it can't take him too seriously right of course not because if you did you just be like i don't know what i would do if i took this seriously i mean i take it seriously on a certain level yeah i mean what do i just like it's it's one of those things where if we're i've always said that he's like the weakest link of the right wing propaganda chain and what worries me about this bullshit is how far up the chain does this kind of thinking go i don't think this goes very far don't think so either i don't think that like but i wouldn't have thought yesterday before we started right the show that he was going to outright call for military tribunals and secret murders but i think that he's touched on that in the past just

not as overtly and insistently that's true as he is on this episode like i can't i can't stress this enough we're gonna hear a lot about killing people i really don't feel comfortable with that keeps going kill the foreign agents now trump and i know you've got the people ready to do it and don't be scared that oh they'll link it to the media and then car and everyone's gonna back you kill them kill them now it's very simple do it do it did he get some bad news about sandy hook see that's what i kind of feel that's where i'm coming from right now it seems to me like of course alex is a gigantic narcissist so whatever like negative things are happening in his life get manifested as like severe things that need to happen externally right right i step my toes so

trump needs to murder people i wonder about that but it would probably be irresponsible to assume that without any kind of evidence of course of course but it does feel like something personal is going on yeah you're acting out in some way that's really weird because he's a child and i think when we get to the 13th we'll have a little bit more information to go on even from there that something might be going bad personally gotcha um but i don't know i have no idea what that would be for now it's just murder talk man you turn loose the u.s military on known chinese agents inside the united states it's legal it's lawful they're involved in espionage in our country we're not going to have trials or big long events or a bunch of crying about it or wringing our hands

you do what the chikoms do if they catch us agents over there they kill them i really don't think it's cool to kill these people because china would do it i don't think that's a strong argument if i'm not much mistaken i believe that alex constantly talks about how the chinese government is satanic and evil so it seems dumb to justify your own behavior by saying that china would do it perhaps there are better countries to aspire to when you want to compare yourself to something well they're satanic and evil so it's a good idea for us to be satanic and evil that makes perfect sense that's basically the argument that alex has made haven't you ever read the bible dan alex loves the bible and clearly in the bible it says jesus mentioned to sword once turn the other

cheek jesus mentioned to sword anyway more murder talk kill them kill them now let's just start there let's just start there and you watch the democrats of the deep state yellow bellies as soon as their controllers are all dead let's stop playing games just it's so easy it's so easy it's like pumpkin pie man so eating a piece of pumpkin pie with whipped cream on top this is not hard to do and it needs to be done and america needs to stop rolling over to this bs but it feels good saying that doesn't it because that's what we're supposed to do so i think this is obviously a more real version of alex that we're seeing here yeah that's why he says it feels good to say things like kill them now it's because he's been holding

back from openly expressing these violent fantasies for a long time and having to couch them in weird language like take them out politically or wrapping himself into a pretzel of a sentence trying to maintain some plausible deniability legal and lawful dan yeah that's legal and lawful murder right but having to do those sorts of things are kind of uncomfortable verbally now alex can he feels like he can speak freely because trump the red purge right or whatever yeah he thinks that trump is doing this he's executing a purge of hundreds of globalists and dissenters in the government and alex knows what comes along with that historically targeted killings yeah trump is not firing all of alex's imagined enemies but alex is operating as if

that were the case so what he's doing is creating a pretext for and justification for trump to carry out political assassinations which would be the next logical step down this road yeah alex is even creating a rationale to ignore the very understandable backlash that would come from trump doing something like this alex is saying that the democrats would freak out which naturally they would if the president were carrying out extra judicial assassinations but alex is pre-framing it is them freaking out because their supposed handlers are being taken out if alex were specifically trying to prepare his audience to accept a dictator he could barely ever do a better job than what he's doing now i i think one of my biggest problems here is that not only is he normalizing this

language uh and this kind of thought process for his listeners but i can feel it hitting hitting me like oh is this the level of conversation that we're at i feel like no no i no that's what i'm saying but i can feel that desire to participate in it as as like well that that's our conversation now you know that might be you no i don't mean that and they i don't mean that in a i i'm just god damn it i understand we're just saying there's an effect that it has yeah it's it's fucking my it's fucking with my head at least right because it's so far outside the realm is acceptable that it's it's like a shift exactly a jarring shift that happens it's like the overton window just got exploded and everybody's getting murdered hey guess what there's more

cross the lawyers out of this discussion because the lawyers will lose this country for us real fast lawyers didn't start this country lawyers didn't win world war two they didn't win the war of 1812 they won't do anything but lose the country what now is the time to kill and to have the killer instinct and to stop worrying about it chai comms came here they expect to overrun us and defeat us instead they die now i'm gonna stop talking about that go to your phone calls okay good i i do recall it was lawyers specifically who allowed canadians to burn down the white house that was the lawyers sure they were like hey i'm sorry we passed a lodges recently everybody has to uphold the law the canadians get to

burn down the white house it's just the rule yeah so we um that was that was a bad chunk of this episode yeah a lot of murder a lot alex really wants uh trump to uh dole out some murder but he does get to some calls and uh all of his callers want to dole out some murder too not necessarily i wouldn't say they universally don't uh but some of them have other points and one of them uh brings up something that would normally cause alex to really freak out but weirdly i discovered you on of all things a shortwave radio and i've been listening to you ever since so that was back in the william cooper days no kid my friend that's weird because generally when a caller brings up william cooper alex gets mad at them yeah so alex now refers to the shortwave

period of the dole the william cooper days oh god that's very weird to me i don't know what it means but i i always try and point at any time his name comes up i always take a take notice of it and it's usually anger in this case there's like a william cooper hey those were the days when i was stealing everything from him and he was still alive salad day now i'm just stealing everything after his death yeah so great robin a caller wants to talk about the corona virus which is suspiciously much less important on the show well he's out of food seems like maybe the products have sold out and uh no need to scare people about that anymore that is important leave that on the back burner for when the supplies come back in i can rebuild those

narratives you know whatever well we'll keep the plate spinning a little bit but no need to freak everyone out by saying shit like it's over for humanity there will only be lone survivors so this caller wants to talk about it and he has a theory about what's going on i'd like to bring up the uh the uh virus over there in china i don't know if this has been discussed and i'll try to make it quick my friend uh this over there what's happening with this virus do you think they are using that as a false flag in the manner of now they're rounding up the protesters that were protesting over there and saying oh these people are loaded with a virus but we're gonna make it look like we're taking them out of their homes because of the virus are they arresting

these people and never to be seen again what do you think i mean it's confirmed what you said they were losing the fight with the hong kong and taiwanese protesters the chinese government lost its fight with trump on the economic war and so this is a giant face saving measure and we know they're using it as a pretext around the political incident so so alex has got this caller who suggests that the coronavirus is not real at all and it's just a pretext that's being used to round up the political dissent and alex says that's been proven i thought it was a race specific bio weapon well it was but now it's a false flag it's not even real what is happening don't even worry about it anyway alex says francis boil coming back on the show hooray um and it's

interesting to me about this like this interview is completely set up based on a lie the next hour we've got francis boil popping in to talk about how he called friday for trump to come out and say maybe a bio weapon trump did that hours later and now the chinese ambassadors respond so that's all coming up this is a lie isn't he talking about cotton didn't tom cotton senator senator lunatic tom cotton come out and say that it's a bio weapon or something no he's just tom cotton speech i'm not sure if he said it was a man made thing but he the speech that cotton gave that alex has played has to do with um it not coming from the seafood market got the origin not being specifically known gotcha but alex is completely lying about the francis boil thing

that announcement from trump science guy uh was the day before francis boil's interview on info wars this whole timeline is fucked in order to make it be like trump is listening to info wars so when bro boil was last on we made that happen so and for boil to not push back on that is deeply fucked up so anyway here's an interview coming up alex comes back into break it was some music and this is this is kind of funny oh you're a democrat what oh you're a democrat think men or women don't know much about the science oh you're definitely a democrat don't know much about the franchise that's right but i do know that i love the devil

if you love me too what a wonderful pedophile world really needs all right at the end all right at the end there the meter didn't quite work didn't work out no no i too many syllables i think that it's really funny the you love the devil part that's great that is fantastic prime alex carry wonderful but i think that what's really funny is along the way is like i don't know much about history oh you're a democrat when it gets to the french i took don't know much about the french i took he doesn't know where to go with it nothing he doesn't say oh french democrats don't know french fries i don't know uh he gets don't he gets thrown for a curve with that one as i go like yeah just keep the riff going who gives a shit it is a classic democrats

don't know french just say they don't know french yeah korea but the french are weak and they love the democrats and they're global so he can't he's trapped by the lyrics of this song because all the democrats have to know french right makes perfect sense so we get into another a new coronavirus conspiracy thing going on here at the behest of another caller and this one it's interesting this one hasn't come up yet but it's really dumb if you go to health line how flu and hiv meds may help fight the new coronavirus but come on like how how how is the hiv medication supposed to help this that virus or whatever you want to call it this is man made man like this is man made how do you know it has the hiv delivery system exactly and they're like oh don't worry hiv medicine helps

like so this is one of the coronavirus conspiracy talking points like i said i'm surprised we haven't heard it come up yet the basic idea is that some medications that are used to treat hiv are also being used to treat cases of coronavirus and thus they must be the same condition or at very least coronavirus has parts of hiv mixed into it this is a really sloppy conspiracy and it's pretty easy to explain why medications that are used to treat persons with hiv would also have applications in this context it sounds like they don't know much about biology dad that seems like maybe the democrats one of the big issues here is that the list of fda approved antiviral drugs is not a long list and a lot of the ones that do exist are used as part of normal treatment plans for people with

hiv when a new virus pops up oftentimes doctors will try the existing antivirals to see if they work and this will ultimately always be someone that you could claim is quote treating the new virus with hiv sure sure since almost all antivirals could reductively be called hiv meds the issue here is that these drugs will not likely be effective in the treatment of coronavirus the issue is that the heightened panic surrounding the virus there's a real fear that the demand for the antiviral drugs will increase to the point where people with hiv could have a more difficult time getting their meds right right right the concern is that there are people pushing misinformation like these antivirals are a cure or a solid preventative measure against the coronavirus

people will take that misinformation and rush out to buy out the antiviral meds which will leave the supply not able to meet the demand of people who actually need them the actual picture of the situation is pretty complex there are some doctors who are experimenting with using medications that are used to manage hiv with patients who have the corona coronavirus but that absolutely doesn't mean that they're a treatment for the virus nor is it proof that there's some sort of corona virus conspiracy going on here uh it's corona spree corona spiracy right can't make it work yeah uh yeah so that's all just a bunch of nonsense but again i'm surprised it hasn't come up yet and uh it's it's weak shit yeah so uh alex gets to this interview with francis boyle and he once again

repeats that timeline lie in the introduction which again i have to stress like you can't if you're francis boyle you can't allow yourself to be presented like this it's disqualifying all right he joined us last week and said he needs to be investigated as a bio weapon and we've had one of trump's spokesperson's come out and say the same thing is to a few hours later so i wanted to get an update from dr francis boyle who wrote the u.s biological weapons convention that then got adopted most of it by the united nations so everything is wrong about that timeline in the intro like we pointed out a hundred times the uh the interview that he did uh was after trump's science guy came out and made that statement so the but the other problem

with the timelines here is that alex is saying that boyle's draft of the u.s bio weapons act was adopted into the un biological weapons convention after but that's backwards it is the un version was adopted on march 6 1975 whereas the biological weapons anti terrorism act was adopted by the united states on may 22nd 1990 the u.s version was built from the un version not the other way around but alex doesn't want that to be the appearance if alex allows reality to exist here he has to admit that his guest was someone who took international law and applied it to our own sovereign nation which is globalism and the very definition of evil according to alex yes absolutely if it's the other way around that boyle wrote the law which the un then adopted then he can pretend that

it's just good americana that they ended up forcing the un to enact exactly if it weren't for us the un never would have done it dan yeah so these are the heroes these are the little things that most people probably wouldn't would they would see and think that alex is stupid or has no idea what he's talking about and i agree he is stupid and he doesn't know what he's talking about but it's important to understand that there are reasons when he makes glaring errors like this consistently if alex had said that boyle's law became un law once i probably wouldn't think twice about it i just say it was a slip up or he's being stupid alex says that all the time and the reason is to cover up for the fact that boyle is in favor of international law and by alex's rubric he's a globalist right

right right right he's he's bad except for when he's good right and when he's good he's on my show yeah the end so that timeline issue though with uh the interview and trump spokesman coming out is murky because if you'll recall alex didn't read the article about trump spokesman and he took one of the people who gave comment for that article anthony fouchie right and decided that he's trump's top science advisor and he's coming out he's blowing the whistle that this thing's man made that's true he's a hero unfortunately francis boyle has some news about anthony fouchie tony fouchie has been up to his eyeballs in this nazi bio warfare work for years the same is true for the center for disease control so now anthony fouchie is now according to alex's big

special special expert someone who's knee deep in nazi's science project right so i imagine alex hurts the narrative it's going to he's going to immediately agree with him and then scrub the article from info wars off of his site well it's it's a it's a difficult position that this puts alex in because the whole narrative was that anthony fouchie is this hero who's coming out prompted by francis boyle's interview on info wars the trump heard and he forced anthony fouchie to come out and and blow the alarm yep all of this so alex tries to save this a little bit but i don't think he does it well so without me asking the questions here you're the expert right after you come on right after senator cotton says he should be looked at as man made the indian institute

saying it looks man made showing words clearly been gene edited getting not getting into whether fouchie's good or not i respect you understand what you're saying there are responding and and cotton's come out again and now the chinese ambassador i'll say hey no no big deal of you know fouchie's a nazi scientist or hey look i respect you whatever hey let's leave that aside separate the art from the artist stand that's what you gotta do that's real what it's about what he's doing now sure he's a nazi biological warfare science but you know what even the blind squirrel finds the occasional lie what nazi projects have you done for me lately exactly so um francis boyle has nothing really to offer it's a really boring interview surprise um and so we're

not going to listen to any more of it because alex gets back to murder why doesn't he utilize the black ops teams the mercenaries those are the trained killers he needs the problem is he's surrounded by traders he can't trust any of them but we're entering a wheelhouse now with a deep stake he's trying to overthrow him where he won't have a choice which i don't think we should be happy about this but it is where it is they're bringing us to a place we don't want to go but we didn't take us there so it's not our fault once we get there does that make sense yeah yeah totally not our fault when we politically assassinate people we didn't you're you guys have wanted to murder for a long time now you just get to say it yeah stop it this is just cowardly yeah just stop it don't

blame it on us you want to murder people you disagree with so fucking say it but they can't because they alex even alex knows that that isn't appropriate yeah well yeah so anyway this leads to alex just listing people that trump needs to kill yes alex uh you were talking about a i'm sorry the caller uh this people who trump needs to go for the guys we got to get out of there was zoros obama brennan clapa and the clintons and then the rest are gonna fall like dominoes that's it that yeah we don't need a big marines invade dc we just got to go out for the snake and i'm not saying we're gonna do it and i'll set for a place of fear it's not our place trump needs to cut that off the snake so his caller lists like specific people that trump needs to kill

and alex says yep he doesn't like obama's work with netflix he's not a big fan you know that's probably what this is about yeah i'm pretty sure that that's what's going on yeah so we have one last clip here from february 12th and then alex is like getting into this weird headspace about like they've come at me they've come at me you know he's already been in this like they need to murder all these people and this feels like slightly a justification like i've been wronged and it's just such bullshit it was probably like eight nine months ago they had the department of justice under these people investigating my dad who did nothing he's not even involved with the company much he does some bookkeeping and then product development but they knew i love my dad

and i just i told him i said i told him i said dad you ready to go to prison he goes yeah i'm ready yeah we're not backing down and they went and the system was like really you know you don't care about your daddy and i said he's an old man he's ready to go i said you can literally i went crazy actually but i'm not going to get into what happened behind the scenes but they they realized i don't care about me so they thought they'd mess with my dad and my dad was like destroy me it was totally made up they're like we're gonna indict your father and that's the level of the scum you cannot even imagine the filth so there's a good reason the people from the department of justice might have been making inquiries to alex's dad

a while back and that's because roger stone was on trial and he was an employee at info wars now as much as alex wants to say his dad's barely involved in the company on many occasions alex's dad david jones has been presented as the head of hr human resources at info wars parent company free speech systems when alex was facing eoc complaints from ashley beckford and rob Jacobson david jones was the human resources director that he fielded media requests in other news stories he's been given that title and by all appearances he's the person who's in charge of staffing and employee related issues for the company on december 18th 2018 alex's dad was deposed in the pepe the frog lawsuit but what's this he wasn't deposed as himself he was the corporate

representative of free speech systems which led to this exchange which i went back and read the deposition i read it a while back but now after the rob do deposition yeah this is particularly funny uh there's a question from the lawyer you understand you've been designated as the corporate representative of free speech systems at today's deposition correct response who designated me that and i suppose i was advised by email some time ago that they were going to have a corporate designate and i had agreed at the time that i'd be willing if it was prudent question okay did and did anyone advise you that you were in fact going to be the corporate designee for free speech systems answer i think i was advised but i didn't really realize the full impact of that but yes

it seems like this is a pattern for alex in his lawsuits just making someone he thinks he can trust be the corporate representative for his company and having them go into the deposition completely unprepared and stonewall the whole thing he did that with rob do in the sandy hook trial and he did it with his own fucking father in this case it's a very clear strategy alex and his lawyers employ to derail and slow down trials that they know they're going to lose and man it's just wild to read that transcript of the 2018 deposition and realize that alex was willing to put his dad in the position of being a pawn in that kind of a game he's a real piece of shit they they know i don't care about myself so they went after my dad surprise i don't care about him either i tricked a

bit i don't care nobody i don't like anybody i want to kill i just want to kill the globalists and i were trying to take out alex's dad alex made him the head of enforce human resources so he could have a person he trusts in that position and there are consequences to moves like that no for instance when one of your employees is facing federal charges it may be a thing where your dad ends up getting a message from the prosecutors or i don't know let's say another one of your former employees let's just call him jerome coursey tries to sue you in his contention uh is that you was wrongly terminated as part of the you know that's part of the discussion that might end up getting your head of human resources in this case your father involved in that legal

matter this is how narcissists operate when they're facing the consequences of their own actions they're not able to accept them on realities terms so the consequences themselves become a part of a larger attack thereby allowing alex to maintain and even expand his own victimhood alex's dad in his capacity as the info wars hr director gets contacted by prosecutors or lawyers about legal issues related to former info wars employers or employees that is completely normal and a predictable thing to have happened but to alex this becomes the globalist trying to investigate and take out his poor innocent completely uninvolved father because they're sick and they target your loved ones this is just really sad levels of alex acting out his own issues on his audience

it's wild to think that his dad hasn't checked this stuff by this point just allows it to continue i just don't think he gives a shit it must be a lot of money yeah it's gotta or his dad must be way crazier on the john birch tip than yeah yeah that's possible it's it's very plausible that like he is far more of a zealot than we know because he keeps such a low profile right refuses to come on alex's show right it might just be that he's a smart version of that guy yeah yeah i i mean obviously if you're the head of hr there's a tacit endorsement of uh whatever it is alex says maybe i mean if you don't it becomes murky whenever it's like your family and maybe you didn't want to be a dentist anymore or whatever you know who knows so we jump to the 13th and alex

is feeling real good about rogers chances and it makes a little bit of a prediction here out of the gate massive outrage across not just the u.s but the world no one is buying this miscarriage of justice and i predict that within two weeks roger stone will be back co-hosting this broadcast and the war really and this the silencing of this american patriot who was punished for helping advise president trump getting president trump to want to run for office making president trump believe he could win uh president trump would not be president if it wasn't for roger stone so this is a very dangerous mentality that alex is expressing because at its core what it does is it makes it so anyone on your team could commit any crime they want when alex says that rogers

being prosecuted because he helped trump get elected on one level what he's saying isn't true but on a deeper level it's also very not true it's uh yeah the issue is that roger is not being prosecuted for that he's going to prison for actual crimes he committed and was found guilty by a jury for i've never actually even heard alex discuss the real charges that roger was convicted of not once have i heard alex discuss the very clear open and shut witness intimidation that roger engaged in with randy critico he never talks about the reality of the charges because the reality of rogers actions has been replaced with a facade which can be easily summed up as it doesn't matter what the charges are because he didn't do it and even if he did they're only

charging because he supports trump no matter what you do if you're on the team it doesn't matter and i've heard that the ends justify the means and i can't think of any possible morality that would contradict that it's important to understand this dynamic because it's the way alex needs to present this person they have to be a pure hero so whatever the reality of this stuff that is actually happening don't even talk about it alex is alex knows what charges rogers been convicted of oh yeah he knows he knows that a jury found him guilty like he knows all of these things but he can't discuss any of that because he's a good guy he's on the team this is important i need to make a point of this because it is relevant later oh i just can't believe that he

still hasn't figured out that roger stone has greatly contributed to ruining his life oh it it's it's it's insane how uh how severe you can't possibly want roger stone back he ruined your fucking life man yeah but if he ruined his life maybe he can save the ship no he doesn't care about you so alex predicts that uh trump's gonna pardon roger and that's cool trump is currently preparing to pardon roger stone and cnn and msnbc are up there spinning going he can't do that that's obstruction of justice no that's why you have an executive branch that's co-equal to the legislative and the judicial so that when those get out of control it can be a check on the other right and vice versa it's called separation of powers and it's part of our federal system

oh i apologize this is just good old-fashioned separation of powers stuff sure it's not separation of powers when the executive branch intervenes to overrule the judicial on on a matter that specifically related to the criminal affairs of the head of the executive branch what alex is describing is how a normal pardon might work but in this case trump would be absolutely out of line to pardon roger given that his conviction again by a jury was related to impeding the investigation into the criminal affairs of trump pardoning roger would be more or less just trump it'd be him sending out a very overt message that if you commit crimes to protect his crimes he's got your back and you won't do any time it's the definition of corrupt yeah and i i suspect

that's why again they're going with the bill bar route first there needs to be a pretext for this since it really feels like as eroded as our system is now it still seems like that would be a breach of norms like using a presidential pardon to get your friend who's in prison for lying to impede an investigation into your actions it seems like even as bad as things are now that's still too on the nose nope probably nope you're probably right but it is getting really frustrating that nobody in the media is willing to just point out that the big reason trump is getting away with all of this shit is because we're all kind of afraid that if we hold him accountable his supporters will start murdering people in the streets like that is kind of a big deal that is unspoken

underneath i don't know i'm not saying they will i don't know but there's the fear of it i i don't know if that's motivating as much as you think it might be it might be a piece of it for some folks but i don't know i don't know how widespread that is as a motivating factor for the people in the media right i don't know it could be no i just no knowledge i think i would prefer that to the admission that both the democratic party and the media are essentially useless and pointless and i i just really wish that that word wasn't true it could just be like that obsession of appearing neutral yeah you know yeah you have to take the democrats love that obsession with appearing neutral yeah i mean you have to present climate change denial as as teach the controversy

exactly absolutely that that mentality does impede people to an extent or even probably more than a fear of trump's supporters murdering people could be maybe anyway alex has decided that he's probably gonna maybe i don't know possibly go to c pack to cause a publicity stunt any complaints about c pack a little bit here seems like a new obsession he talks about it a bit on this episode like how much he doesn't like c pack and how they're all cowards okay um i'll give him that i don't know you know c c pack so cowardly uh the republican blue bloods is still control it that people like roger stone aren't even welcome there or people like myself that actually got trump elected that shows you what trumps up against though doesn't matter if i show up at

c-spack we'll just totally steal the show and take the whole thing over but but you know i don't i don't need to do that so i just may not do it but i'm really thinking about it okay ah yes jordan the notoriously restrained and cowardly c pack yeah who could forget how cookie cutter and safe their speaker list was in 2019 when they had sebastian gorka diamond and silk kandace owens charlie kirk glenn beck denis prager and oh who's this donald trump yeah as speakers i can think of maybe two or three people on that list who have an outright committed crimes c pack is not afraid to have complete shitheads and con men as speakers they just don't want ones who are bad for the brand that's why they disinvited milo after people started talking about those pro pedophilia

comments he'd made in the past that's why they disinvited gateway pundits jim hoft after he started spreading conspiracy theories about the survivors of the parkland shooting that's why they didn't let laura loomer and jacob wall in they don't care if you're lying shithead just so long as you're not too embarrassing and at this point alex and roger are really embarrassing yeah also c pack might not want to invite roger because in 2018 he was involved in the first year of a rival conservative conference called the american priority conference which was trying to brand itself as the c pack for trump people that conference probably coincidentally was held at a trump hotel and involved a whole lot of shitheads saying dumb conspiracy stuff and selling idiots nicknacks

i can't think of any problems there incidentally along with roger stone the american priority conference 2018 also had speakers like staphon lora loomer mike cernovich and anthony scarimucci whose speech apparently was mostly about how q anon is real this is the lane that roger belongs in and even fucking c pack understands that they aren't afraid to have him come speak it's just that he's an embarrassing criminal asshole who belongs at a conference along with other losers like lora loomer and staphon molyneux yeah we prefer other embarrassing criminal assholes right the funniest thing here though is that alex probably wouldn't even be invited to speak at the american priority conference too toxic yeah his brand is not even a facebook for the junior varsity super toxic brands

welcome version of c pack and that's a good call on their part you can't invite alex because then he would make your event all about himself he's so desperate at this point that he could be completely welcome somewhere and he'd still show up in a tank with a bullhorn acting like he's breaking in no one needs that he stills focused to a point where it's just like just calm down dick whatever benefit or gain there could be from having alex anywhere is far outweighed by having alex anywhere yep so at this point alex like it's actually a little bit refreshing in some ways even though what he does is terrible and awful but like we've been so starved for any different content right because of all the obsession about the corona virus and now like okay you got the roger stuff

really taken over yeah and the doj and trump pardoning which leads him to the murder obsession on the last episode i do kind of regret wishing for a change from the corona virus stuff if the change is murder the chinese i do i do regret feeling a little a little desire it seems like it's been a long time since there have just been like stray headlines yeah and stuff and he alex gets to one here and i think it's a teachable moment i saw a story yesterday where two samali migrants went on a spree robbing stabbing attackings for days well you gotta give it up and the judge has said you can go free it's a religious virtue signal sacrament and you said to yourself why are they doing that it's a plan to bring down the civilization so i think this is a perfect

example of how bad alex is at his job like what is he talking about no clue you hear him telling a story about some samali immigrants who went on a spree of crimes but were let go because you know the left is into letting non-white people get away with crime so as to bring about the end of civilization absolutely that's what alex you know always does but when you take a step back what do you know about the underlying story that he's telling nothing based on the details alex provides we don't know anything about this i don't know where they're at we don't know what country it took place no clue this isn't covering a story this is gossiping about a headline he might have skimmed or more likely it's just alex making up a story in order to justify

him going into a xenophobic rant which is what he was going to do whether or not he had a story to base it on yeah i know why are what why are you even pretending anymore you can't track down this story based on the details alex provides and that's intentional he doesn't want to portray reality or help his listeners come to a better understanding of the world he wants to reinforce and harden their fear of the left and people who don't look like them i decided to see if i could trace down the story that alex is covering you know for fun info wars website was no help uh there wasn't any story like this on there so i started googling i just like that sentence info wars website was no help yeah put that on my to stop agreed so here's the most recent story that matched

some keywords from february second 2020 quote judge refuses to vacate somali pirate sentence hmm gotta give it up to him this was a story from the elko daily free press covering a federal judge's ruling in virginia that a somali pirate could not have his sentence thrown out which he was seeking because he claimed that his lawyer was ineffective in the underlying trial the judge said nope and that somali man is still in prison and they let him go free wait what so that's kind of the opposite of the story that alex is telling a little bit you think that based on the narrative that alex is selling this pirate would be exactly the sort of person the federal judge would release as a perfect religious virtue signal sacrament but it looks like the reality is the opposite in

this case so i kept looking and there's only one somali pirate i believe i i don't know i just kept looking i couldn't find any evidence of judges releasing any somali immigrants for stabbings so i started searching for somali and spree those words to see if anything came up and there was one story from september 2019 out of minneapolis but this wasn't about a somali immigrant going on a stabbing spree it's about a guy named harland st john getting arrested for going on a vandalism spree smashing out the windows of somali owned businesses because as he told the police quote somali people are selling math and heroin to native people so that's not the case alex is talking about i also don't think that guy was talking about first nations no i don't think he was no i

think he was talking about a different kind of quote native people yeah i wanted to be cute about this but honestly i have no idea what story alex is talking about and that's kind of my main point if i someone who's actively trying to figure out what story alex is talking about have no idea people who are just passively listening have no clue what's going on and what's real and what alex just making up when people in positions like alex are vague it's because they're making things up if alex really had a case of a somali spree stabber who'd gone free because it was a religious sacrament of virtue signaling for the left to let immigrants commit crimes it would probably be in his interest to actually cover the details of the story go over that what's the name of the

stabber the alleged stabber what's the name of the judge what city did it happen in fuck what country did it happen in what are the circumstances of the case he doesn't do any of that because he's not covering the news he's creating a feeling and that feeling is supposed to be purely anti left and anti non whites details just get in the way of that yeah yeah yeah that could really mess things up it's when you're talking about the truth there's a lot of nuance and context that goes into it yeah and that really makes it hard to just hate you know you have to wade through all this stuff and then you're tired at the end of it sure your eyes hurt because computer screens are yeah no it's tough maybe just hate yeah hate hate so alex has another headline north three

shoots dead coronavirus patient after he's seen at public baths this is a race specific bioweapon it is man made wow it's confirmed that's why governments are freaking out i hope it's not as bad as they're saying but this is mutating and it's very very serious in my view so wait the day before alex got a call from a guy who was saying that the virus was just a cover up to round up people who are protesting against the chinese government which would lead you to think that it's not a race specific bioweapon that got released and alex agreed with them yes those two narratives seem slightly at odds with each other but now here on the 13th alex is back to saying it's a man made race specific bioweapon he has no

consistency it just by design this is so much andy daily as elron hubbard for the i said that i didn't say this dead authors podcast of like well yeah i said it i didn't say it yeah i listen to the show all the time and honestly i don't even think that i could tell you what the show's position is on the coronavirus i really don't go i think he's i think he's rooting for the coronavirus i think he's pro virus some days it's a race specific bioweapon some days it's a bioweapon china wanted to use on us that got loose accidentally sometimes it's all a cover for something completely unrelated to public health sometimes it's not even real totally his show makes no sense it's abusive to his listeners like this day to day what a

it's abusive to me yeah it he's not saying anything but he's also suggesting a whole lot of stuff with the presentation that he is saying these things yeah and that's not cool no it's not great also that story about the north korean official may or may not be true it was from a south korean source and i can find no confirmation about it i'm not entirely sure i have no idea if it's true and neither does alex he's just reading a headline and asserting it as fact about getting into the details of the story which is kind of irresponsible probably now alex has another caller here and the virus is now it may be not a race specific bioweapon like this is immediately after this is immediately political dissidents they're they're they're uh the only people who

have died outside of china were people who weren't in china when they got the disease but i don't even think it was the disease that killed them something else is killing them you know what i you know what i tend to agree with you this is clearly a man made virus i think it does kill some people but there's no doubt that they're putting some fake videos out in china of like a man and woman laying there to create fear they're letting everybody video david to create fear where's the race specific part now you just said it was a race specific bio ebb in a minute ago and talking about north korea and now you have this caller who's saying that no it wasn't the disease that killed them this they're trying to crank down on descent i

tend to agree with you yeah of course of course there is this is so inherently incoherent yeah it's just and it's intentional it's it's really yeah believe whatever it is you believe i agree with you so long as you buy my shit yeah so alex gets to talking a little bit about the purge that trump is doing of people in the government which i still don't know is accurate and he's really trying to make this red storm thing work what i do know is the red storms here trump is purging the traders and he's accelerating in the attack and i love it and we have lived so at this point i was really marveling at how desperately alex is trying to make the red storm happen i was curious about what was going on here like obviously he's trying to evoke the

storm which as i said it's q and on stuff and probably also the red terror which of course is the period of political terrorism that preceded the russian civil war back in 1918 however i have a slight suspicion this might be a steve pechenik thing i base that on the interesting coincidence that there's a tom clancy novel called red storm rising and the company that licenses tom clancy properties for video games is called red storm entertainment course course steve had nothing to do with any of this uh the tom clancy stuff but he's notorious for pretending to be the real life jack ryan and he associates himself heavily with all things clancy this is probably on my part a complete stretch i have no reason to believe that this theory even makes sense but there's

something super weird about alex incessantly trying to brand this the red storm which happens to be a term that's only really widely associated with a former business partner of steve pecheniks most likely it's just alex trying to launch a phrase that he can put on some shirts but you have to forgive me if my mind wanders sometimes alex the show often is very boring right right right i'm going to go with uh it is steve pechenik and also steve pechenik is resputen i'm going to say that 100 positive you heard it here first i was sputen i never died and he been to korea bunch i just heard of this red storm stuff and i'm like wait that's the name of this tom clancy shit like steve's got to be looming in the background somewhere yeah you have this whole thing with

roger and the department of justice this is prime pechenik stuff yeah i'm just like he's coming he's coming is he coming i don't know i just want i had no idea okay i was like i don't know of steve but i like he alex has to be talking to him right right right red storm would be a phrase that is related to steve now i'm like putting yarn up on the wall i like a steve you can hear steve pecheniks footsteps behind you at all times just like he's coming he's somewhere isn't he's always looming yeah also red is always lower looming red storm is also the nickname for the sports teams at st john's university so it's probably trademarked and i really hope alex tries to launch some red storm merch and then get sued by that would be fun god i want to be the best

more lawsuits so alex takes a call from a guy and this guy is like hey man like the streets should support trump more and the rationale is bad i believe the streets they are conservative alex the streets and your average thug is not for gay marriage they're not for transgenderism they're not for drag queen story hour we just need to crack these streets and get to the people that are in these streets and i i truly believe that they will get behind trump a hundred percent well i think it's already happened that's why the left's trying to re-energize racism is trump has recordous black support and that's why they're freaking out because they're losing control of the plantations if i understand this caller's argument he seems to be saying that quote the

streets should be sporting trump because they're also homophobic transphobic and opposed drag i don't know if that's a good argument when you're trying to present the idea that trump is a uniting force he's a uniter go ahead whatever yeah as to alex's point about trump having record black and hispanic support it's good that he's not being specific about that because if he was he'd probably be lying if you go back to a speech that trump gave on the campaign trail back in 2016 he said quote at the end of four years i guarantee you that i will have over 95 percent of the african american vote i promise you because i will produce this is in stark contrast to a november 2019 hill harris x poll that found that quote an overwhelming majority of black voters 85 percent said they

would choose any democratic presidential candidate over trump yeah in reality he's probably never going to get anywhere higher than like 10 percent and that might even be generous that is not record breaking unless you're talking about it being a record for trump himself which is a little disingenuous i think this is all a little bit silly for alex a devout white identity advocate to be bragging about trump's non-white support while discussing with a caller how quote the streets and trump can find common ground over their agreement that trans people shouldn't be allowed to exist in public and non-heterosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to marry it's a weird pitch he was talking about the british rapper the streets dan he wasn't talking about that the streets he was talking

and i didn't know that guy was that homophobic but it turns out if you've got the streets playing your uh rallies your that's why i prefer lady sovereign um so this caller goes on to talk about how great alex's iodine is and i don't trust him without the survival shield x2 and without donald trump i'd still be a liberal left wing crazy believe in the mainstream media pop culture in hollywood you guys helped me the x2 gave me the clarity and the focus to read between the lines and understand what's really going on out here so by the way that's not just type my iq that's what the show went way up and i finally got on clean iodine eight years ago really so except in cases where someone is severely iodine deficient alex's products aren't going to do

anything other than a placebo effect so long as his listeners are eating salt there's nothing these products can do for them except trick them into thinking they're somehow seeing through the matrix alex is being a real shithead when he cites these studies about iodine increasing iq because he knows or has every reason to know these studies are not saying that if you take iodine it will make your iq go up they are showing iq differences between people who had severe iodine deficiencies and those who did not most of the studies that alex would cite are actually about maternal iodine levels and the effect that can have on fetal development so not even relevant to this caller or alex who i should point out are grown adults taking iodine supplements yeah

and this is a classic case of alex creating a fake problem for his products to solve he tells his audience that the globalists are trying to dumb them down and iodine can fight back against the onslaught the listeners take the iodine have that placebo effect which is accompanied by listening to a ton of alex's shit unquestioningly they adopt his narratives without looking into any of it themselves and pretend that that's them seen through the matrix which they were able to do thanks to the miracle brain boosting power of iodine it's all just a really sad grift but you can see that it definitely does work sometimes i mean the scams the scams the scams work not the iodine yeah that those aren't going to do shit so jordan i have given you a stout yes we're going

to crack open here a morning latte from the toppling goliath brewing company out of iowa and normally i am a staunchly against iowa but i will make an exception not sponsors of the show but i felt like it would be appropriate for us to have a have a mid show since we've had a novelty beverage i think everybody's been clamoring for new novelty and they do want to know specifics yes so that's why i gave it but another reason that we're having a little stout here is because i am pretty convinced that alex yeah ends up drunk on this if you fall off the wagon i'm pretty sure okay a lot of people to suggest that over the course of the last month so like oh alex is drinking on this episode and i don't really necessarily agree based on certain behaviors

that i find to be uniquely in the times that i think alex is drunk alexian if you will and i believe that it is my conjecture okay that alex is drunk towards the end of this episode all right he has norm paddice oh his lawyer on the show of course and i don't think alex and norm paddice like each other i don't know why and i think well i mean certainly that time that alex put out a bounty there is that there is that a million dollars for his head on a pike and norm had to sit there i don't think that lends itself to a friendship no no not usually i don't think that they like each other very much and i think that alex knew that he's going to be coming on the show and we're going to talk about roger stone related legal issues sure i might need a drink for this

yeah i think that's what happened because alex and him holy shit this goes bad it starts bad okay because alex makes an announcement that norm has to immediately retract we should go ahead and make this announcement you've been talking about this for a few days with me we pulled the trigger earlier we are going to intervene in the roger stone case and we're also going to be working with mike sarnovich on this but i'm going to finance it to go in and show in the court records which are very expensive to get all the particular records with these jurors bragging to their democrats this other juror whose husband was a top lawyer on the muller probe i mean conflicts of interest that are incredible remember they called a few months ago for my

arrest and the watch the post even though the supreme court's rule it's totally normal to put out who jurors are for the intent of you know finding out they have a conflict i wasn't trying to intimidate anybody sure this whole house of cards norm paddus is starting to collapse for them well it does and i just want to correct the record when you say intervene that's a term with legal significance we're not a party but my office is right now attempting to locate and obtain a copy of the trial transcripts we're just trying to get the transcripts alex do not say we're not intervening that means something to alex words have meanings in the world of the law yeah and consistently throughout this interview alex keeps saying things and the norm's like

i who we don't here is a super cut of norm responding to alex okay love the super cut well i don't know about that um you know i can't go that far i'm still an officer of the court i you know i don't know anything about that that's news to me my you know you know again i'm gonna just comment on a case by case basis there's a lot of just like i what is what is he what is he alex's dad giving a deposition what's going on here i alex i don't know so it's interesting because i mean what's going on here is that they're trying to create this argument that these jurors were biased sure in roger stone's case and like norm is on here and he's he even said we're not i don't even have the transcripts i don't like i'm i'm just requesting them

and if you listen to the language that's used here like it's very clear that they're just guessing you're entitled to a jury of your peers and that's a very impartial jury historically what that's meant is that these are jurors who have not formed views of the case so so significant that they're likely to affect how they evaluate the evidence in some courts that means people don't know anything about the parties or the participants that's rare in a high profile case typically they just have to be impartial they have to set aside whatever they've heard and commit to being able to try the case based on the evidence in the courtroom however the participants are entitled to an honest answer with respect to sources of bias that jurors may have now mike cernovich is

reporting that one of the jurors had run for congress as a democrat prior to the trial it's unclear to me as i sit here today whether that was disclosed to the lawyers in the case this juror has now come forward and and written her about her outrage over the resignation of the four trial prosecutors this week suggesting that in fact she had very strong views at the time of trial so if you listen to that he's saying nothing his language is completely clear that he has no idea if that person who ran for office disclosed in the jury selection phase of the trial that they'd run for office he has no idea norm is just speculating that it wasn't but guess what anybody who wants to speculate that it was brought up has as much ground to stand on they're not saying

shit this isn't a claim it's just a narrative that's being built out of thin air which makes sense considering all of this is just information coming from mike cernovich yeah cernovich is going after the jurors in this trial trying to show proof that they should be disqualified and i guess get roger out on a technicality it seems or like you'd have to have a new trial i guess yeah it seems weird to spend this much effort on something when you have a pretty good sense that trump is probably just going to pardon him but that's where it gets important to understand what this is really about cernovich and alex aren't trying to get the case retried they're not trying to get the overturned as a verdict they're trying to create narratives that provide cover for trump

to pardon roger yeah because you're like hey all these jurors are all biased and i have to pardon still still larger than that to essentially say that trump is the arbiter of justice no juries are every if anybody is convicts anybody in the trump orbit of a crime it's because they're partisan democrats there is no rule of law it is purely trump wins that matter largely and then more specifically give trump the political cover that he needs yeah to pardon roger and that's all just weak shit like i went and looked at what cernovich was putting out and one cernovich's gotcha moments is showing that a juror had mentioned roger stone on twitter in the past though the jurors were asked if they'd posted on social media about the subject of the case which

would be roger right the smoking gun that's shown here is a juror the this one juror retweeted a bakari sellers tweet that said quote roger stone has y'all talking about reviewing the use of force guidelines not alton sterling not eric gardener now walter scott not sond Sandra bland not keith lamont scott not flando castillo not terence crusher not deontre hamilton but roger stone think about that this is clearly not a tweet about roger stone it's about the treatment of african american folks by the police yeah also she just retweeted it that wasn't even her tweet i think you could very accurately say that you'd never tweeted about roger stone even if you retweeted that this is thin fucking broth yeah the rest of his proof is that she tweeted some negative things

about trump in the past and to that i say so what this wasn't a trial about trump it was about roger committing crimes it's very possible for a human adult to not like trump and remain unbiased about a legal matter involving one of trump's associates just because alex could never be impartial if he were a juror in a case involving a friend of hillary clinton's doesn't mean that normal people are incapable of that like for instance i fucking hate alex jones but i could be totally impartial in a case involving his cousin buckley for instance yeah that wouldn't be hard no i could i i would not be able to be biased in a in a case again actually i'd probably be if i think i because i hate the criminal justice system so much it's it's a real catch 22 i honestly think that i could be

impartial in a case even involving alex yeah but i think that it me saying that no one would believe it so i i'm going to make that claim and also not stand behind yeah i i i don't think i could be impartial in any case i agree with that i don't think that's possible for me you do not belong to zero zero possibility so this zernovich stuff is really stupid and it would never hold up in court but that's okay because it's not designed to it's meant to be a play for a public opinion narrative that provides cover for trump to abuse his power and pardon his friend for trying to obstruct an investigation into him which makes it particularly sad for alex's lawyer to debase himself by lending this weak shit credibility like barns really needs to give norm a call and

get him up to speed that it's time to bail yeah this isn't going to go where you want it to man so alex is like you know he wants norm to talk about the the case and roger being innocent all that but also he's fixated on a headline that he's read about this cambridge professor who's written a book basically making the argument that humans should stop reproducing it would be an ethical thing for humans to stop reproducing because of all the systems that we've brought into the world that are destructive and that you know unpackaging unpacking all of the things like capitalism sure sure all the all the systems that we have are foreign to nature right and we need to dismantle those things and the only way to do that is through our gradual

that getting gone that's an interesting people have made these sorts of arguments right right no i mean the the idea of a extinction by choice that's bananas well i mean there's a voluntary human extinction movement sure sure for a very long time sure i just don't think it's possible for any organism to it cause its own extinction i think it i mean it can kill itself it is possible but it's it's also all voluntary it's not like a forced thing no that's not saying it's not about murder it's not about telling you to kill yourself anything and it's not even something that i would guess that this cambridge professor believes could be implemented exactly it's just sort of an ethical dissertation that she's putting out now also she has tattoos and

kind of looks like a witch oh well there we go so there's our bigger issue there's our bigger issue it's surprising to me that he isn't talking about all of these types of books that have been written about there there have been a lot of yeah it's why did he choose this one particular well but because it's current yeah he read a headline about it and this lady looks like a witch there we go so alex gets fixated on this and insists that she needs to kill herself okay okay and norm is not happy about this and we will learn why in a little bit look at this cambridge academic says human race must become extinct to save the planet that's that a whole extinction rebellion and guess what she's got medusa on her arm and devil tattoos and is into

nihilism and destruction well hey here's the deal honey you just get yourself a big old honey vodka and some barbecues you can kill yourself because uh you're into death you're into destruction you've given up on humanity i don't want you to kill yourself i'm just simply telling you you got that broadcast go take care of it get in the bathtub slip those rest go see jesus now norm has got to be thrilled that he showed up like he's got to be at the point where like after alex got drunk and yelled about wanting a bounty on the opposing council he had to be like it always goes bad when i go up and he's like hey we're just talking about roger everything's fine alex is being a little bit uh you know saying we're gonna intervene that's not

but i can correct him yeah you know we can we can get by on this now he's talking about how this professor needs to kill herself norm can i get your take on this she should kill herself correct alex does try and get him in on of course he's again lady lead by example i'll give her some respect if she jumps off a building the day or slits her wrist and again i'm not saying she should do that she just says we should all die well her first norm wow i mean i i don't know where how even to what to make of that so norm is he doesn't like her argument and he actually has a pretty good response to it what's that about like love being transformative and like he has like a position that like is like hey don't don't hate on her baby if we all show

compassion and love it'll change her perspective on this that's kind of the angle he's coming if you say that on info whereas alex throws a fucking hatchet at well he does he does make that point and this goes so bad i and look dude norm in this next clip says something that alex should take as a fucking stop it but he doesn't of course i'm just telling her i hope she doesn't commit suicide but lady you go first i just had someone close to me commit suicide so i don't wish that on anyone that is the oh fuck that is the point at which you immediately start practicing empathy towards the person who's sitting next to you yeah that is the point where you're like all right sorry look i'm making some jokes i i i right this is disrespectful i'm sorry

for your loss yeah let's move on i apologize for inviting you onto this episode of curb your enthusiasm apparently is how this is going this human decency dictates that you take that as a sign like norm is being very polite and saying i just lost someone to to suicide and you know so i don't know i'm not into this what he's really saying is stop yeah he's he's putting a boundary i don't like him and even i went oh like it's immediately a human empathetic alex doesn't take it quite the same way that humans might again i just i just want her to go first try to pour gasoline all over so and i go easy alex great we all need we're all in need of grace and she needs it more i mean you know go easy she wants us all to die i'm just saying let's go

you know that song from helps yeah i let's go let's go let's go let's go my heart let's yourself go oh you drop out to her come on honey you ain't got no place to go just put your arms around me real time yeah it was around here when i realized like these are the drunk behaviors these are the that i haven't seen in a while yeah like this sort of stuff is very like in the alex drunk sort of one hundred percent the inability to understand the slight cues that are actually screaming out of norm yeah about like alex cut it the fuck out yeah are insane and in this next clip alex just won't stop and i really get the sense that norm hates alex she's up there flapping around like a vampire bat telling us to kill ourselves i'm just simply saying i i just say kill

yourself well that's given her what she wants i'm i'm i'm sure norm power of love and the power of grace is overwhelming it certainly has transformed my life and i hope it would hurt gasoline would too as well norm i'm having a little bit of fun you got me and you know it takes a lot to make me speechless you have that gift that is a guy who fucking hates i alex that is the most lawyer way of saying i i hope you like yourself on fire i represent fucking murderer jesus man i hate you you yeah god he must keep he must need that money he must be getting paid so much i don't even i think maybe also like high profile case you get a lot of publicity out of it conceivably as it gets closer to when it goes to trial it could pay off huge if he really thinks that there's a chance he

could like weasel through this case on a technicality it could be a huge thing for his yeah his stature and even if he loses the case it's not like it hurts him no it's you can get whatever publicity you get out of it get a lot of money from alex there is a you know but like you can get in those little moments like i am almost never at a loss for words and you have that gift man that's a very polite fairly smart person's way of saying fuck you yep go fuck yourself yep i told you five minutes ago that someone near me committed suicide and recently yeah and you won't stop taking every single like hey polite deflection that i make and weaving it right back to port gasoline on yourself bitch man like it's crazy alex is so out of line that is that is uh i

does kind of point to the obsequiousness of uh of the right just like there's no way that i'm just going to sit there that's after that and he keeps going it's like cool alex this is as good as we're going to do i'm going to let you go man i don't know like that's easy well there's also the employer employee relationship or at least like there's the business relationship and you know if your norm you also recognize like there's some performance on alex's part that like maybe after the mics went off and they went to commercial he apologized i don't know probably not but maybe i doubt maybe there's like i'm so sorry look i just got out of control that i was on a riff right it was too good i couldn't stop yeah sure the bit was great the right is too good at comedy for me to stop

so i had a suspicion that alex was maybe back in his drunk behavior and that was kind of like this next clip is where i was like oh boy uh let's go ahead and take a caller here who's been holding the longest for norm paddus that would be that's got a fun noise let's tune into what's going on her head sounds like a soundtrack from the exorcist you know sorry uh steven florida you're on the air go ahead maybe alex just like did some acid or something i don't know that's a fun noise yeah so that's the level he's at and you know what i want to say i like these are the behaviors that i find in times when he's very clearly drunk yeah but

also i could see it as a possibility that he's not drunk he just hates norm like the two of them just hate each other and they only exist because alex can't get any other lawyers or even fucking so well you know he can't carry out his case without some sort of a lawyer who's willing to represent him and norm is that so they're stuck with each other in some way and they fucking hate each other that's a possibility that he's so checked out and like i hate this guy but he doesn't want to act like that on right right right but you also need some lawyer to come on and talk about roger's situation there he needs a lawyer to come on and talk about roger's situation which they are absolutely not doing right there's not much of it yes um so yeah

they uh they this ends not all that dramatically or anything alex uh lets him go and then he comes back uh from break and he has another guest and when he had another guest i was like okay it's got to be steve alex has been saying these red storm things sure this is when you expect steve to come in and when he announced who the guest was i was like god damn it all right for the rest of the hour then i'm going to host summon of the fourth hour and cover all the other news sticks joins us and i've been watching this guy for six seven eight years on youtube he's got billions of views racked up there he's an author editor video creator and gardener and he goes by stick 666 official and uh i think that's you know just more of an obnoxious handle but he he can

describe that for you this is a hilarious booking for alex on his show considering all alex does his yell about satan that is do you know who this dude is no i have no idea so his full handle is sticks hexan hammer 666 and he's a real shithead on youtube uh he's there's one of these youtube commentator guys all right so if he was on the left that handle would be 100 percent the thing that alex screams about for hours yeah see look at how devilish is they have to be obvious about it they have to tell you that they're so evil that's what they have to do because there's no consequences for them anymore they know that they have to do that's what they're going on oh he's on my side okay cool love them it's just obnoxious handle annoying i should tell you he is a legitimate

satanist or at least he used to be he left the church of satan a few years back and is now a self-described pagan and occultist which alex would still describe as satanist he calls people that are just regular he's got christians or satanists yeah it doesn't matter so that i would say no his 666 handle is not just being abrasive or obnoxious it's a name he chose when he was a real satanist unlike all the democrats i would call satanist just because they believe in liberal policies hey the great beast alistair krally he's great so sticks is a real dumb dumb he used to post videos on youtube of himself doing drugs which he called trip reports but he stopped that after he overdosed on fake weed back in 2010 and got clean he's advanced some real fun conspiracies

like he believes that charles manson is innocent and some real not fun ones like arguing that the nazis didn't use zyklon b in the gas chambers he since walked that one back a little bit but in my book if you're using your platform to spread holocaust revisionism that stays with you even when you walk it back the end good on you for realizing you were wrong but the problem is that you didn't realize you were wrong before you started preaching that shit realizing your position was wrong doesn't change the fact that you were still the same person even afterwards after you made up your mind you were wrong you aren't the same person who thought it was a great idea to question well established history of the holocaust so go fuck yourself sticks hex and hammer six six

six i think one of the big problems with youtube creators being self employed is that the only person who can fire them or punish them for their bad behavior doesn't particularly care that much seems that is a problem yeah so beyond that sort of stuff like uh you know some weird conspiracies and holocaust revisionism that he's since pretended i didn't mean that beyond that he's just pretty much a run of the mill youtube reactionary right wing commentator except that he has a satanic aesthetic like what that means he has long hair he has a leather jacket and he often wears no shirt under that leather jacket oh the right's getting cool down down the right's getting cool they just watched easy rider recently this dude just straight up sucks but honestly i would have thought that

he was would consider himself above coming on info wars i've i've known who he was because of like youtube like i've accidentally watched a couple of his condescending ass videos in the past but and the sense that i got from him would be like no i wouldn't go on alex is a crazy person yeah why would i do that the fact that this interview is happening is embarrassing for both parties engaging in the interview yeah that's not good anyway the interview is just stupid maybe sticks is just doing some bucket list shit he like he got the call from in war room a couple times oh yes yeah but that makes sense that makes sense because o and shroyer's show is definitely more tailored towards the younger reactionary crowd okay and so like he'll have a lot of these people who exist in fringe

spaces on youtube uh because you want to reach out to those audiences more have the cool o and shroyer guy demographic destroyer you know you have him on it makes some sense but being on with alex is just not good no it's a bad look especially a drunk one yeah so the whole interview is really just exist so sticks hexan hammer six six six can come on and bash the left that's sure sure talk about bernie being bad everyone's bad and bernie's gonna murder all of us bernie's gonna murder sticks it's the band the band though yeah it's a very unimpressive interview and i just the only clip i'm gonna play from it is sticks explaining that no his handle is from back when he was a satanist okay and alex i'm in alex's response to this is it's up there okay as far as the username goes

that actually dates back many many years to when i was actually an atheistic satanist i left that behind long ago um i have nothing to do with it anymore but the name stuck so i just kept it the same sure makes sense sure god i i just hate the double standard so pointing it out is passe and cliche but god damn it it's so annoying well it was a satanist but the name you know i had it back then it's stuck out cool i'm surprised he i'm surprised he barely said like i i imagine that in his head was like that means you're still a satanist and what's a satanist always and then he's like oh shit he's on my side okay he probably has way more of a reach than alex too at this point like he's pretty popular on youtube so i would i would assume that alex would want to enlist him

as part of the fold so best not to be like you're still a satanist you look you can once you got the donk once you got the meme machines you're going to need a sticks guy that's just the rule so that's it for the 13th the rest of the show is mostly alex having this interview with sticks and like i said it's just very standard bashing the left stuff it's not it's not interesting i want i expected more at higher hopes for sticks and hammer that's a phrase that i've never heard that's a sense i've never heard before or at least maybe alex asked him about oding on fake weed now that would be interesting yeah how do you od on fake whatever i mean some of that stuff is is not good i'm good for you i totally believe that um and not none of this is to make fun of

people who've had bad drug reactions or anything it's just kind of it's kind of funny given him you know anyway i wouldn't want that to be my rock bottom moment though of all of all the rock bottom moments whenever you're in n a that's not the one i would want to share fucked up fucked up on fake weed get the fuck out of here it's a it's a weird look much like a leather jacket without a shirt weird look weird look come on so cowboy we get to the 14th and now something interesting has happened and that is that an interview with william bar has come out where he's trying to do damage control absolutely about the fact that these prosecutors whoa remove themselves from the case hey so now alex has an interesting dilemma on his hands we know that attorney general bar has really come

out against the president some people are saying that it's elaborate theater kabuki and that it's to get democrat heat off the attorney general saying don't send its stone to an exorbitant amount of time correct well dr. steve pacenic is a smart guy no he he does know a lot of people in the deep deep state disagree not the lawyer bureaucracy but you know the folks in the military in the and uh those areas also he really has a big problem with bar and he particularly wanted to come on the show today so i'm told me time he wants to come on there's an open door he thinks bar needs to resign and he thinks bar is going to make a move on the president and i agree with him because of the pedigree of bar you know bar is up to his eyeballs

in jeffrey epstein stuff oh okay so like i told you i knew that steve was looming in the background you feel like you're like you're like a quarterback with bryan urlacher running down i got my my steve sense yeah that was a trigger so by the 14th william bar had sat down for a highly staged interview where he basically made the point that trump's tweet about roger stone sentencing recommendation made it impossible for him to do his job as the attorney general you can kind of see what he means that tweet put him in a very bad position if he sincerely did believe the recommendation was too severe he then had to choose to either not amend the recommendation for fear of appearing compromised by trump's tweet or amend the recommendation and give literally

every appearance of being compromised by trump's tweet yeah it's a night's and no win situation yeah for bar for bar it'd be amazing for him to be in a complex situation where he's protecting the president i've never heard of him doing that before for multiple presidents sure and i and look i don't fucking trust bar in the slightest now the dilemma he's describing uh is is a real problem though like that is sincere like trump's tweet does introduce that that possibility the way trump acts makes every decision completely complicated and suspicious there's no action that bill bar can take particularly in cases that affect trump directly they can never really be seen as independent or legitimate because of the way trump behaves yeah i don't believe that this is

like trump or i'm sorry bar is really concerned about that but just looking at it from a neutral position yeah person one does this person two has to respond it does make sense of like trump trump's tweet is man does put him in a fucked up pickle no absolutely i'm just i just get frustrated whenever they have to pretend like just just say that he told you to nobody cares i mean it's already done we all know he told you to do it you're going to do it just say it yeah just be done with it i have a strong suspicion that the interview he did was intentional and it was a calculated act designed to cut off criticisms that as attorney general he was basically just acting as trump's personal attorney and doing his bidding opposed as opposed to protecting the interests of the country which

is why which is why he was fucking hired in the first place right whatever the reality of it alex is pissed he sees the interview as a broad signed attack on trump and now bar is on the outs with the patriots which is hilarious considering how much alex loved bar not a few days ago steve is going to come on and bash bar which makes sense bar is associated with the neocons who steve fucking hates so this is standard stuff just steve working in some of his own material going into business for himself on alex's show as they say in the world of wrestling but what i want to bring sharp focus to is how now alex doesn't like william bar and because of that a whole new set of facts are available to him like that bill bar is up to his eyeballs in the jeffrey epstein

stuff here's the thing alex didn't just learn that bar's father was quote the headmaster of an elite new york city school that hired college dropout epstein to teach math and physics that line i just read to you from an august 2019 article in time and it wasn't news then alex is known that all along but he strategically doesn't mention it ever while he's in the cycle of presenting bar as a hero doing the heroic work of backing up the arch hero trump now that he said something in the interview that alex is going against the dear leader all of a sudden alex is aware of this long reported piece of information super weird how that works i wait is he he's genuinely mad at bar yeah does he not get the game is he that stupid he bar is doing this in defense of the president

that's our sense of it that's because it's what it is it does feel that way it is that way it is that that is what it is how is he mad at him for doing the best possible turned on trump no he's making the best possible move for trump god these people are so fucking stupid nope he's a he's god i hate him he's made an attack on trump in this interview because alex thinks he's trying to save himself for something god i hate it that stupid and violent wins so i was listening to this and all i could think about was pro wrestling you may not know this jordan but there are different styles of wrestling that heals and faces generally engage in because they're trying to elicit different reactions from the crowd you don't want to crowd generally uh genuinely cheering for the heel so

you typically don't allow them to do moves that are too exciting a good recent example of this is seth rollins when he was a heel he didn't do any of the high flying moves that people really pop for but once he turned face he started breaking out the super plex into a falcon arrow and the phoenix splash now he's jumping off the yeah yeah now he's jumping off the top rope and everybody's like oh my god yeah people love it yeah it's great so when seth was a heel he knew how to do those moves he was perfectly capable of pulling them out at any point in any match but he didn't because his goal was different in those circumstances right that's what alex does with information in that interview alex thinks william bar has turned heel on trump and now the moveset has opened up and he can now

connect bar with epstein alex could have done that at any point and it would have been just as true but he never did because that would jeopardize the face reaction that he wanted the listeners to have towards william bar this little thing is a gigantic tell about how alex operates he knows so much more than he says on air particularly about the people he's trying to paint as good guys who are actually trash it also strongly indicates that he was totally fine with having an attorney general in office who was up to his eyeballs and the epstein stuff so long as they didn't dare question trump right kind of makes you think about how much alex knows about trump that he pretends not to know so he can keep presenting him as a face i just kind of makes you wonder i'm mad that i'm mad at

him for not doing this the right way for i'm mad that alex is not being the right kind of corrupt that is bumming me out he should be smart enough to realize he's not on the script he's he's doing it he's doing a bad job god but but it's what he knows to do right of course of course of course it's just like and it and it's the knee jerk kind of defense yeah like he doesn't have time or he's not really that smart he's not and so like yes this appears to be an attack on the president we will respond as if it is just such an own goal man what are you doing it's not great so alex also has learned on this uh February 14th uh by the time this episode airs he's learned that uh the department of justice has come out and said that they're not going to pursue prosecution

against andrew mccabe right and he didn't commit any crimes that's one that's one argument okay another argument might be that it is also another placating move and that like this prosecution wouldn't have worked out but you could have left it hanging sure but you get you you dismiss it in order to also appear more fair in the face of all these prosecutors this will get rid of all the criticism of four prosecutors yeah there's possibilities there's a lot of possibilities alex uh thinks that uh it's more william bar trying to save himself all right and uh he's pretty mad about this and he starts complaining about john brennan and brennan literally goes oh and he walks around congress and stuff when he's there just everyone's scared he walks around

just can you imagine there's a full grown man walking around like this are you scared of me i'm a bureaucrat and he's my government i mean you know that's a certifiable lunatic right there couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag bernie's gonna kill paper bag America's back forever all i want is to get these dishonorable scumbags out of there things won't be perfect but there'll be a hell of a lot better if you hate america and you were in the communist party you shouldn't be the cia director yeah no he voted communist twice because he's a sack of filth so because of the andrew mccabe news alex is just ranting about all his standard enemies but john brennan's in that bucket he has a couple of rifts

he knows how to do and so that's what he's doing yeah yeah yeah it's all pretty boring for the most part except for that clip at the end there you hear alex claim that brennan voted communist twice this is a wild piece of information that our country's former cia director voted for a communist twice in reality john brennan is discussed publicly how he voted for the communist party candidate for president in 1976 gus hall but he was never a member of the party in fairness gus hall got over 58 000 votes in the 1976 election and if we want to get petty about things he actually beat linden larouche who is running on the us labor ticket that year regardless it's super interesting that a guy who in his younger life would have voted for a non-mainstream

candidate in a general election that they could eventually end up in charge of the cia i don't think it means anything in the larger sense but it's pretty fascinating as trivia yeah that is fun anyway the reason they pulled this clip is because it's another prime example of how alex cannot help himself he has to embellish everything to make his narrative sound bigger and more convincing there's no evidence that brennan voted communist twice but the fact that he voted communist once just doesn't do it for alex he has to take an already interesting and surprising piece of information and turn it into a lie by exaggerating it because he knows his arguments suck on some basic visceral level alex knows that you can easily write off a guy voting for the communist party

once in the mid seventies as a quirk a whim or maybe if you feel this way you could call it an indiscretion of his youth sure if you voted for the communist party twice that begins to form a pattern and alex's argument sounds better he knows he doesn't have the information to make his argument sound better so he just lies that's all he's doing yeah these exaggerations are such fingerprints of like you know your shit sucks yeah you know it's weak yep the fuck out of here commune me once shame on you yeah commune me twice i am the evil cia director who is coming after trump yeah so alex has steve on steve chenic my boy comes in he's not my boy i stop it stop it so alex has steve come in and of course it's all just kind of like bar has got to

go um he does reveal that uh let you bring it up i wouldn't be surprised if steve did vote for lyndon larouche he probably did he was probably working with larouche in rake it's my cabinet he probably would say he was yeah i'm fair enough i am lyndon larouche yes he does reveal the daniel elsberg releasing the pentagon papers was a limited hangout of that was okay cia what else is what else is forest gump doing now i wanted to cut clips of that but it is just way too long of a ramble yeah i can just tell you he said it yeah now we can move on yeah the rest of it is largely just bill bar sucks he's got to go right and forever i don't care i'm with you but the way they start the interview is alex presents this is like trump is listening so give him your message

share so the balance the hour dr steve chenic joins us and i know you'll get into the whole history of it in the background but there's a good chance trump will end up seeing at least five minutes of this he calls it the clips and people bring it to him i'll just leave it at that what is your just quick synopsis in five minutes dr pacinic i know the president knows who you are in your background the things you've done in different different agencies and things as a private citizen what is your five-minute synopsis for the president five-minute synopsis of the president's very simple number one william bar has to go i've said it a year ago the reason for it not only has he really insulted the president and said an inappropriate thing that the president

can't in fact tweet and interfere with the department of justice he can do whatever he wants that's the point okay so maybe some of this is coming from steve yeah alex's like bar is turned on maybe some of that's gone who cares all this is just yeah whatever yeah i wonder what he's saying on uh we're recording this on sunday i wonder what is as somebody had to have explained to him between friday who and sunday anybody his children dan his employees don't know shit yeah but his kids are smart enough to well maybe not i imagine that rex in between being a told very weird sexist information is is like hey dad this is a smart move i think anybody who is interviewing gevin mcginnis and is excited about it yeah that's fair maybe doesn't get it yeah

that's possible that's possible so alex is interviewing steve but that doesn't stop him from taking some breaks sure to sell to sell some shit of course this is texasignm 2007 and its homeland security it's the department of the army headquarters united states special operations command and it's all the letters right here we show tv viewers and this is the nano silver that we have put out by one of the top companies in the world american biotech labs llc and this is the silver that the pentagon found with the wound gel and all of the private label was the best for taking out all sorts of bacteria and viruses including the sards family that is the corona virus and i'm not saying it's a panacea or a silver bullet though it is silver

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i've seen a progression of alex testing the waters no consequences happening and it just getting more explicit the lies that he's telling about the the the silver product and i mean i don't know if there's ever going to be any consequences for it but i mean eventually he's just going to be saying crazy shit he's just going to be making factual claims that aren't true because he'll be able to get away with it well there's two things that i think he's thinking of which is one trump's agencies are not going to care it seems unlikely unless he directs them to yeah which is totally legal and two he must be stoked that jim baker is getting all of that attention because if anybody is going to be that'll hog up all the exactly regulation

alex gets to alex gets to go under the radar sell it as evilly and as inexplicably as he likes when jim baker is going to be i'm also not i didn't look into this but it might be a completely different product that jim baker's selling like that might be just the colloidal silver as opposed to the nano silver whatever the case like i mean i i get really self-conscious about like i don't fully understand a lot of the laws you know yeah like am i suggesting that alex is out of line when he's not and then i realize like no i found very specific cases where the fda is told like dr rima labo right to stop doing exactly what alex is doing now so it's it's all i mean who knows we'll see if any consequences come but and i i i'm on this weird position because like some people

have reached out and been like are you going to tell the f t c right are you going to another now i'm i'm not going to but i also don't care if other people do yeah generally speaking i have such a non-engagement policy with alex but like if other people are going to take the information that we're putting out and act on it nothing i can do about that i'm not going to not cover this for fear of like someone might right but if there were a situation where i had good reason to believe what alex was doing could actually hurt the people who are buying the supplements then i would yeah i then i would definitely make a report right right but this hasn't crossed that line it's just like on ethical scam anyway alex gets to talking to steve and this is really interesting to me because

you know the term deep state you know what that means right nothing it means nothing well but in the world of info wars what is it oh yeah anybody who's secret just fucking regular anybody in the secretary of state position but they're bad yes yes they're bad they're working against trump well there are good deep staters who are working against the bad deep staters he has made but they're not called the deep state oh they're called the patriot state yeah whatever yeah yeah i guess they are i mean i guess our conversation here is highlighting the ambiguity yes right yeah it is always like these white shoe uh as a alex calls it the the like intelligence folks yeah trenched in the government yeah absolutely they all went to harvard and what have you alex is in

the skull and crossbones guys he seems to be trying to reclaim the term deep state and apply it to something completely different obviously there was a big organic populist deep state i mean a mom taking care of her children in the morning making them biscuits and gravy is the real deep state or a cop y'all doing his job changing old ladies tire or a doctor doing their job that's the real deep state it's just rubber meets the road but obviously if the if the corrupt elements of deep state keep trying to start a fight and get the fight they want they should pray for donald trump success america is so awake now the military so away everybody i know so awake and they don't want to go out and start having a civil war but if the communists and the democrats and the bernie

sanders the world think they're gonna have this big happy hunting ground in america it's not going to go the way i didn't rush or other places but he's gonna kill the ground how much danger they're ranking can you speak to that if things were to go into a civil war i don't see it going well for the other side there won't be a civil war number one there aren't enough people on the democratic of the socialist side bernie sanders will probably win but as i've said a long time ago and i've heard bernie uh you have to be a multi-millionaire to be able to say you're a socialist or a communist i've never met any communist or socialist it was not a multi-millionaire i'm here hello you should meet a lot of people hi steve you want to look through the uh i'm not even a thousand dare

you want to meet some of the people in the uh the dsa rolls or what do you want to do it what do you want to do steve um i am a negative thousands there the um the thing i really love about that clever probably the only reason i kept it in is because of alex is like there's gonna be a civil war steve like there's not gonna be a fucking civil war are you idiot and his his reasoning is just the left can't put up enough numbers just the slapping down of some of like alex's most basic fear narratives is hilarious the real deep state is the moms and the cops making biscuits and grapes for the kids making the biscuits and graze that's the deep state cops changing an old lady's tire if that's the real deep state then the evil version of the deep state would be a cop popping

someone's i guess oh do you mean the real cops i don't know it's all silly so steve how is like to have at least one really insane thing that he says because he never disappoints and here is that one he's talking about the the education department in the united states and to his credit he does say that there should be better education good on you steve okay he has interesting recommendation that i actually also agree with him on shoot devos into space no oh she hasn't come up but he has he has a recommendation that i agree with but alex should hit him for and i will mandate that every young person has to serve our country not necessarily in war but i don't care where their service is but like israel you will serve us for two years i would

re-institute a service to this country and thank you i'm steve machini dot com powerful interview i hope the president listens to you so dan who has also we'll get into that yeah dan there was somebody in specific i remember who advocated for just something similar to that see jordan it's really interesting that when you listen to alex for long enough it just becomes a farce yeah everything is internally inconsistent nothing means anything and things that were once seen as the words of villains expressing their evil plans are now the wise guidance of heroes you hope the president puts into motion jesus in that clip steve is saying that when he takes over the department of education he would make all youths do two years of compulsory service to the country

not necessarily to the military but in service to the country this is legitimately one of the first things that alex covered in the obama deception yeah the idea that obama's chief of staff ron the manual had written a book called the plan selling big ideas for america which proposed that all americans between the ages of 18 and 25 would do three months of some form of community service steve wants them to do eight times that much service yes in the obama deception and in alex's narrative sense roms plan was clear proof of obama trying to create the obama youth of course his own gigantic team of indoctrinated young persons who would do his bidding that was his plan and it takes three months naturally in the film his uh the argument was accompanied by

shots of young black men in rotc exercises to drive home the racism that was behind this narrative but let's not get bogged down on that very obvious aspect of the narrative yeah alex never thought that the act of suggesting some kind of mandatory community service was uh the same thing as creating the obama youth because if he did he would have the same response to steve suggesting a more severe version of what rom proposed this was never sincere it was always just a cheap way alex could attack obama in a way he could stoke racist fears in his audience all uh that they already had about a black president not only is the president black he's also creating a gigantic army of young black men get scared it's an easy way to get uh get away with this sort of shit and this case

is a really good example of why because if you really listen it does make a lot of sense to explore some kind of mandatory public service program for the country and not just for the country's sake but also for all the individual citizens the experience of volunteering at a soup kitchen or cleaning up a forest can be transformative for people and a lot of times you know folks need a little push to do things that benefit themselves as well as the larger society yeah because this is an intuitively pretty decent idea it doesn't sound nuts for steve to be suggesting it and unless you've listened to alex for years and actually paid attention you'd never remember that this was a major talking point of his anti obama coverage that he was going to enslave your children

clearly a philosophical opposition to mandatory public service isn't what was motivating alex's coverage of raw what yeah so that raises the question what was it oh well i mean he was black right the end yes why is it so hard for everybody to just be like he obama was black the end but that that's what allowed the narrative sort of traction but it was also easy it's also an easy thing to that is that is what this all is especially now in the light of this is it's so easy for these people it's just so easy yeah it should i think some of that i think some of that's a case for anti trump rhetoric too though oh for sure absolutely i think there are parties who are guilty of similar like i don't remember any specifics of people who did this but i'm positive they did

what we talked about earlier the idea that when he came in during the transition firing the attorney sure sure like i'm positive that there were people who pointed to that was like look at this yeah yeah when it's a normal part of a transition absolutely that is the same thing in terms of like that's easy that's an easy thing to do agree the same way alex is like oh rom wants people to do mandatory service it's easy right easy narrative to build it i think of the what frustrates me for those easy narratives is if we want on the left an easy narrative we have 10 million of them that he has provided us instantly like if you want an easy narrative he came into office violating the emoluments clause done then go if you want another easy narrative it's that he stole the

election if you want another easy narrative we can just do one we can just do one and repeat it over and over and over again instead everybody has to talk about the new du jour thing that he's climbing yeah that's why he's getting away with his crimes it's over it's too much it's too much so i agree with you um and we now say goodbye to steve now that he has made this very rational suggestion that alex should punch him for yes absolutely um we now get another guest oh no and i might have just ignored this guest except he said a couple of really stupid things and also alex does his introduction uh along with you belong to the city okay okay and we always need some nice tasty so is it sex master 69 69 is that lower no it's a youtuber this guy's not a satanist

but these grooves are sick okay god saxophone is amazing it's called victory you i haven't rakeland is a former green beret and formerly working the defense intelligence agency he's also recovering lawyer as he calls it haha he joins us to talk about a whole host of subjects so we got iven rakeland coming on we got iven rake not even not iven rightman the director no i've never heard of this guy and alex is introducing him as a guy who's with the defense

intelligence agency as like that's a i'll be a legitimate kind of thing well he is a recovering lawyer true haha funny i'm not sure if i necessarily believe that this guy iven rakeland was ever employed by the defense intelligence agency that's something that is bio claims that alex is reading but in the world of info wars i've learned that oftentimes claims of working in intelligence are not to be taken at face value no in 2018 iven was a guest on the john bachler show podcast in his bio he doesn't mention working for the da however there is this bit quote iven holds a ba in russian spanish russia and east european studies a jd and attended the ms in strategic intelligence program at the defense intelligence agency okay now that phrasing is interesting

it's a little bit different than saying you worked for the da it is a little bit a little bit different for one the russian and spanish degrees as well as the jd the the lawyer degree those are stated as degrees that he completed he holds those degrees conversely it just says that he attended the ms in strategic intelligence program which tends to imply that he never completed it so also the ms in strategic intelligence that's a masters of science degree which would be conferred by a school generally speaking you can get that degree at a bunch of schools a quick google search finds programs available at northeastern georgetown st louis university among others but here's the thing the defense intelligence agency is not an academic

entity it doesn't make sense to claim that you have a degree from the da since they're not a degree granting institution he also has a degree of the hard knock stand i guess the correct version of this claim would be to say that you have a masters in science in strategic intelligence from the national intelligence university which is a school that's meant to prepare people for work and organizations like the defense intelligence agency that is where he would get the degree or he would have got it at another establishment of higher learning sure sure this kind of leads me not to trust this piece of ivan's backstory i have no idea though maybe he just botched his bio but that doesn't seem like something an intelligence professional

would do i have no i disinformation is sometimes important for enemies and allies day have you been reading up on qanon no that's that's another way that qanon rationalizes being wrong all the time oh i this information is part of the plan yeah no that's that's like sun sue level that's that's art of war shit right right yeah q is sun sue ha it rhymes q sun sue what about you i think you you solved it like you solved the puzzle that makes trump confucius no okay okay so even if that piece of ivan's story is a little murky some pieces are a little clearer he's probably most notable publicly for trying to run for tim canes senate seat in virginia in the 2018 mid-term elections ivan engaged the viability of his campaign by doing a 1776 mile run through all

the towns and cities in virginia back in august 2017 all right apparently that went well so he decided to throw his hat into the ring ultimately he was denied inclusion from the ballot uh for the republican primary with the virginia gop saying that he failed to gather the required number of signatures ivan claimed that he had enough signatures and he was being kept off the ballot for some unknown political reason according to the richmond times dispatch the virginia republican party contacted ivan on his facebook page which seems a little weird seems like communications like this might be appropriate somewhere else maybe i have no idea anyway they contacted him saying quote unfortunately many of the signatures collected in the ninth congressional

district were not valid and for that reason you were disqualified odds are this isn't an issue of fraud or anything like that it's likely that a ton of signatures he got were fake names or non-registered voters so they wouldn't make it past the verification step that the party goes through when putting people on a ballot so you know to get on the ballot in virginia you have to gather 10 000 signatures but more importantly you have to have 400 from each of the 11 districts in the state it's entirely possible that he had over 10 000 total signatures but like 450 in the ninth district and 100 of them were bogus and that'll end up getting you qualified disqualified right there sure sure so that's probably along the lines of what happened right anyway ivan decided to sue the

virginia republican party a suit he would end up losing things got a little bit ugly with ivan claiming that the party had told him just go vote for another candidate which prompted the virginia gop to release a statement saying he was full of shit they didn't use that kind of old english right but that was their main point right right right so while ivan was going through all this it just so happened to be around the same time that alex went to dc to do that press conference of his get the fuck out of here and that press conference is so inconsequential in hindsight that i really don't remember what the goal if it was no clue i think it was about alex getting sued and maybe kicked off facebook was that what i don't know i i think it's usually about facebook

in some way or another i can't remember exactly what it was but our friend jared holt over at right wing watch was there and there's an interesting blurb in his article that he wrote about going to the event quote ivan reiklin who's seeking election to the senate in virginia and has earned the endorsement of mike flinn jr stopped jones near the vacant press pit handed him a business card and asked if he could speak in front of the assembled crowd shortly afterward jones introduced him on stage ranklin told the crowd that contrary to reports he had actually earned enough signatures to run in the republican primary but republican party officials had unfairly disqualified him sure sure great it appears that this is where the two men's paths first crossed and they met

and alex not knowing this guy at all he just let him get up and speak i can't believe that at which point he complained about not getting on the ballot i can absolutely believe that ivan speech was followed up by jerome coursey giving a speech that included this line quote q and on is military intelligence and close to tronk hey there we go because back then course he was trying to write a book about he loved it loved q it's hard to remember these things there's so many different narratives that contradict each other that shouldn't that they just keep coming up yeah it is a bummer but uh him speaking before coursey defending q and on might have been foreshadowing because in august 2019 raw story reported on a conference

that was being organized to raise money for mike flinn's defense that had a real heavy q and on overlap the organizer had posted a ton about q on twitter the conference's logo was just a us flag with the stars rearranged to form a q speakers included q weirdos like bill mitchell and joy via and one of the other speakers you guessed it ivan rank there we are hey it's clear that ranklin did serve in the national guard i can find evidence of that as of 2010 he was a captain in the guard and i don't have any reason to necessarily doubt his claims that he was a green beret but a lot of the other stuff in his bio just doesn't sit right with me a lot of it seems pretty dubious the defense intelligence agency particularly yeah oh also in 2015 he tried to kickstart a

documentary about vladimir putin called putin 15 years riding the russian bear the cover of which is just a shot of putin shirtless oh i would have gone with putin on the writs oh that's good that's not a bad talk i watched the trailer for his documentary and i read a press release that he put out trying to raise funds and honestly i have no idea what the angle on the film was i don't know if it's pro putin i don't know if it's anti putin i don't know if it's neutral i have no idea he's just a bear you're riding a bear what are you gonna do anyway all this stuff is irrelevant ivan's just on the show today because he tweeted that trump should pardon roger stone that got alex's attention so here we are kind of know him anyway here's the intro to the uh the interview

which is bad news thanks for joining us i see you're there in your car probably somewhere in virginia or something not a great start to this interview ivan is uh Skyping in from his car i see you're in the car yeah are you driving right now because that's safe that's almost like alex being like what are you doing yeah what are you doing well i can't leave my dog in here and i was gonna go to target but you called me a little quick alex i'm in the middle of errands but i thought i'd fuck around with you a little bit about how roger stone should be pardoned well alex i've been living here about three weeks and uh it's mainly due to the uh wonderful and perfect economic policies put together well alex i don't have an office and my wife won't let me call

fascist in home but how you doing cars pretty cool i like that cup no you will not call fascist in this house how dare you i am the primary moneymaker here honey are you calling fascist again we had a conversation about this yeah it seems like uh so anyway it's mostly just about how like you need to pardon roger trump needs to pardon roger did nothing wrong all this who is sure sure sure sure and then also he really specifically wants to talk about mike flinn getting uh let off the the yeah yeah and some of this has to do with like there's a clear association with him and mike flinn i'm not entirely sure what it is mike flinn's son mike flinn junior endorsed him when he ran for that senate seat sure and you know the that conference

that he spoke at there was qanon adjacent also was in order to raise money for mike flinn his defense fund there's some sort of connection there but i honestly can't be bothered to figure it out i don't really care um but they get to talk in about like the democratic race right and uh iven he speculates that if bernie uh runs tulsi gabbert's probably going to be his running mate vp sure sorry sorry for the laughter i apologize for the uh for laughing at tulsi gabbert who refused to condemn uh fucking syrian war crimes sure apologies so that's one thing that he speculates about and like you can laugh at that but i don't really care to deconstruct it like it's not really interesting no interest now his theory is about bloomberg on the other hand

far more interesting love it if it's bloomberg uh we have to take a look and see the biggest indicator of my hypothesis being true uh accurate is that if hillary clinton takes her residency and moves it from new york to arkansas or elsewhere that's going to be the biggest indicator that she's going to be the running mate with bloomberg because if you look at bloomberg you can't have two people from the same people correct explain that you can't rule the same district right according to the constitution i can't i can't cite the exact section you can't rule from the same oh you can't surprise same state you cannot have that so the president and the vice president really representatives in the constitutions of two different

states so she says illinois or arkansas you know it's done deal oh yeah it's a done deal she's going to jump in the race immediately after the event it might surprise you to learn that noted constitutional scholar alex jones and his defense intelligence agency guests are completely wrong about the constitution i don't they know the constitution they you scream about it all the time just read it yeah they're just making shit up to have fun speculating about how they might get to yell about hillary clinton again insane so this is just a very basic misunderstanding of article two of the constitution which says quote the electors shall meet in the respective states and vote by ballot for two persons of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same

state with themselves it's important to understand that until 1804 members of the electoral college would vote for two candidates and the top vote getter would be president and the runner up would be vice president and that's why we had so many great wonderful presidencies until 1804 thomas jefferson loved his time so after that point the process changed and now electors vote separately for president and vice president which is to say that just because in 2016 hillary was running with tim kane that doesn't mean that every elector who votes for her for president has to vote for kane for vice president this actually happened in the 2016 election there was an elector in texas who voted for mike pence for vice president but ron paul for president this is kind

of rare but it does happen from time to time sure as they vote separately yeah in the constitution the rule is that electors could not cast both their votes for candidates from the same state so if uh i were an elector i could cast a vote for someone from illinois but my other vote would have to go to a candidate from another state this was a rule designed to lessen the influence of larger states and to encourage folks not to just vote for their local allies right this became a bit of a talking point during the uh 2016 gop primary because jeb bush and marker rubio were both from florida and ted cruise and rick perry were both from texas a lot of these shallow analysis and misinformed talk led people to believe that these combos of president and vice president could

not happen but that wasn't true in reality the conversation was that it would be super unwise for these combos to happen and here's why if bush and rubio teamed up all of florida's electors could vote for bush for president but they could not vote for rubio also for vice president and the same would hold true for cruise uh and perry in texas if these dudes won by gigantic margins it really wouldn't matter too much but if it were a close race this could be a huge problem since florida has 29 electoral votes and texas has 38 you never want to uh field either of these tickets since you would essentially be playing at a severe disadvantage and risk the possibility of electing bush or cruise while tim cane ends up getting the most votes for vp right and that would

be fucking weird yeah in terms of the current day it's fair to assume that the democratic party would not want to have a presidential candidate and vice president from new york since they have 29 electoral votes and that would introduce some issues right so what's interesting here is that the phenomenon that alex and ivan are discussing is kind of real but they have literally no idea what they're talking about they think the constitution doesn't allow people from the same state to run on the same ticket which is absolutely not true however behind that their assertion that if hillary were to somehow make herself from arkansas now it would be an indication that she's angling to not block electoral voting restrictions for her being

bloomberg's vp kind of makes sense it does i'm not sure what the official rules are about changing your home state but i don't think it would work in this case for hillary she's established for years that her primary residence is in chopper quad new york she was a senator from new york and i don't know if she can be like whoops i'm actually a resident of arkansas and then everyone's going to be like okay cool if it would then why would like anybody could just flout the rules of the electoral college by having two homes yeah like what anyway i mean i don't think it even i don't think anybody okay that was back whenever it took a long time to move like 1804 yeah they they wrote that in there because it would take six weeks to move from

fucking uh new york to florida i don't think anybody cares about that just because all of our politicians are from a million different states and they all move around all the time everybody knows that they'll move somewhere if they want to run in a better or more like fucking favorable place or right and i i don't know if it means anything i tried to look into it and i couldn't find like these specific regulations about like requirements for your home state and so right most of it all just comes down to like you have to have lived in the united states for 14 years like residency requirements like that i don't know what the cut and dry issue issue of it is but i really don't think that hillary could get around being from new york at this point yeah

but even as far as that goes like she would probably if you want to have this conversation you wouldn't use arkansas you wouldn't use illinois no you would say that she would change to being resident of dc since the clintons have an estate there where she lived when she was in office that's a much easier sell if you're trying to be like okay she's gonna say that she lives in dc that's that's what you would do god they want hillary so bad so bad because she's the easiest everyone hates her now everyone right like not even like democrats didn't like her but we still voted for her but now everybody hates a bloomberg hillary ticket would be like the most alienating from uh like yeah from getting out of the vote from that perspective oh yeah like i think i think

some of the most um like the analysis that makes the most sense to me is like this is an election where you're not changing minds there's not there's not people you need to sway to your side it's a it's about energizing and getting people out to actually vote yeah um and bloomberg and hillary would not get people out oh no no i'd be out canvassing for my two favorite candidates for president that's a ticket that would actually get people who would be otherwise inclined to vote to not vote oh yeah no i think we would have crippling we would have more people leave the united states than vote in that election because that's fucked up yeah and i i think i think that there are people who are running who are you know on this on the spectrum of you know energizing to

not energizing yeah not energizing being mostly biden yeah but like there are people along that scale and i think i think if there is worse than biden it's bloomberg and hillary yeah yeah absolutely that's that's amazing that's almost the only way you could get less interesting i think yeah yeah but i don't know anyway but so that means that we're going to have a bloomberg of hillary ticket your point your point does stand though they're like they desperately want hillary to run and that's why you see like drudge headlines about like hillary's going to be bloomberg's vp just why this conversation is happening to begin with um there was a drudge story about that god larger point though like these dudes think that it's in the constitution you can't have a vp

in a present from the same state they don't know what they're talking about they're so stupid it's all dumb learn how to read i don't document you scream about all oh also i should point out that iven is a recovering lawyer so yeah knows the law i i think yeah i don't think he was ever a good lawyer to begin with so i even leaves and alex has another gas that we're not even going to cover because who cares it's not it's not a worthwhile interview it's unfortunate because it has the potential to be like something real explosive oh is it chess master seven seven seven he is not okay is tyler nixon who is roger stone's personal yeah yeah i know him um he's not personally to say like this is all bullshit of course but of course miscarriage is just a super close association

with roger he can't do too much no he's a partial juror but it's also is a point he can't he can't go far enough to make it interesting um and meaning calling for the murder of people sure yeah it's just a bland ass interview and so we only have a couple more clips here of alex talking about some uh some other news because also tyler nixon apparently i think his phone didn't work so alex had to vamp for a while he plays a couple special reports and covers a couple of headlines that he's ill-prepared to cover here's one of them this is the most offensive thing i've ever heard oh this is the shit man fucking offensive get the fuck out of here is this real look at these articles this is a song okay well not face criminal charges giant billboard in london encourages

women to cheat on their husbands hell yeah it's like aliens are trying to hack the planet first of all i i disrespect your uh your your hatred of country music no no i do not hate country music that sucks you don't like that talking about hanging out with willy and wailin and the boys that song so fuck yourself that song is shit you're disrespecting my go listen to scott so alex sucks there at the end billboard yeah encouraging women to cheat yeah fuck yeah so alex is presenting this headline as being like it's a thing where he's offended at this notion like cheating on your spouse being encouraged right that's that's the way he's trying like how dare anyone cheat on their spouse stand well the jordan there's an important detail that might be

motivating his coverage that he's leaving out this billboard says quote married to one man but fantasizing about others you need to try evita.com i guess he could be mad about that if he wants but i don't remember him making a big deal out of all the ashley madison billboards that have popped up over the years so maybe there's something else going on well he was on ashley madison alex is actually just mad because this billboard along with that text includes a picture of trump and malania but malania is looking lovingly away from trump and towards justin trudeau that's hilarious that's very funny alex that's very funny alex isn't mad about infidelity he's just mad at this billboard making a joke at trump's expense that's that's almost annoying because

shouldn't it be trump looking at all of his other wives perhaps that's an easier perhaps i would do that one so paul joseph watson wrote an article about this on info wars and it's the saddest shit in the world quote with divorce rates and depression at all time highs and birth rates get the fuck out of here surely what western countries need is websites encouraging women to cheat on their partners a process that will cause untold pain and suffering and lead to the breakup of relationships fuck you unreal that article ends quote wanting to take care of your spouse in the context of a happy stable monogamous marriage is bad but wanting to be a whore and stab your husband in the back is apparently something to be celebrated paul i think you're

taking this a little personally buddy i think i think there's some personal history there these dudes are so weak that they just can't admit that this billboard makes them very angry because they can't stand to see their king made fun of yeah they have to hide behind this nonsense about untold pain and suffering and encouraging the downfall of civilization it's hilarious but it's honestly also pretty sad it is pathetic we have one last clip and it's alex just saying something that is absolutely unacceptable on any level and inaccurate you've got to admire people that are true to their cause small like that ilan omar to leave and others i mean they really came to america from their squalid third world hell

holes a woman had no power as assassins of stockholm syndrome to conquer us because of her open hearts reshuted to live was born in detroit no she's not from here have you seen the color of her yeah it seems it seems like alex is operating on that level no it's her shirt colors right that are really throwing them around so anyway alex is a bit of a racist here towards the end of this anyway um look dude this episode was was rangy it was all over the place i think like when i were told you at the beginning of this episode like you get to see these different stages over this this course of three days like none of this is coherent you have the first day on the 12th alex is rambling about murder and just being like high on the hog because trump is going to come to

the defense of roger and it means that he's clearing house and all these globalists are going to go and all of this and then the 13th comes and you know he's kind of settling in and like we're gonna get roger this this retrial because of the jurors and then he gets mad at his his lawyer friend well the 14th bill bar has come out and done his face saving interview and now alex has got to turn things around flip the script on bar yeah and i just like all of this is it's just so incoherent listening to it as a is a is a wild experience it's it's like the thing that i come to from the end of this after going through this whole roller coaster of this is this is such like twitter trolling this is so much of just this random nonsense being tossed about

often ridiculously violent always incoherent and it's just that hallmark of of the world that we live in with this with the hard right and it's i honestly feel like twitter trolling is more an intention yeah well yeah that alex just seems untethered yeah it's just it's just he's lashing out he's just lashing out yeah yeah and and the content of his show the narratives that he puts out are so dependent right on whatever he's lashing out to whatever the stimulus is that he's mad at or he's responding to dictate the entire world right um that he presents to his audience and it's deeply unfair yeah it's it's not fair to not allow your audience to have a consistent thread of reality other than we have shadowy unnamed mysterious bad guys that trump needs to

murder yep um i don't know i think i think one thing that is is very clear about this is that we are incapable of handling how we are incapable of handling the way these people lash out it is simply like this type of shit like it's so terrifying to listen to the that first day's episode of him calling for murder and then like that's terrifying and then the next day it's just oh william bar is bad you know like he was just lashing out like a child having a tantrum and it's hard not to take that seriously because he has such a high platform yeah in the same way with the reactionary right wing going after whomever and it's just them lashing out and because we're so used to accepting their behavior as being something we should talk about we're

covering lashing out as if it was real like it's so frustrating to me i've how many times have i opened the fucking guardian and seen them cover some headline and it's like oh that's just a child lashing out don't give that attention yeah we're giving that attention well i mean i think it's something we talked about a lot like in the earlier days of the show was this this sort of feeling of like adults have to show up eventually like there needs to be adults dealing with this yeah and adults weren't showing up and the realization set in gradually they're like nope that's not going to happen they're not coming and now it's like it almost you need parents you like you do it's transcended or escalated from just like we need adults in the room to like really calm this

shit down and settle it and now the kids and the childish petulant behavior is kind of running things it's the only thing that's being rewarded right and yeah and what you're describing that like don't don't reward this tantrum with behavior yeah is exactly a parenting strategy yeah well i mean exactly that's what we're dealing with and that's unfortunate and i don't know how you do that because you start acting like a child or acting like a parent towards other adults and generally that puts them in a position where they end up precipitating the exact same thing you're trying to stop them from doing i don't i don't know if there's an easy answer but i mean to me kind of what i'm what i'm taking is it's time to just like ignore i mean i've said this before but it's

really like we just can't involve them in the conversation they just can't be we can't talk about what it is they have to say i don't give a shit what kelly and conway has to say she's not involved in the conversation you mean she doesn't get to be in the news right the end but you have to be clear though it's specific people yes based on their behavior absolutely not people who have conservative politics or yeah kelly and conway doesn't you don't get to talk to her she's gone that's the the based on behavior yeah yeah not on class or political orientation no no not at all just like fine if you want to if she wants to say this shit you know what she's going to say you know she's going to blindly defend trump with some bullshit so just say that even if you're even

if you want don't even get a comment from her just say kelly and conway would probably defend trump like this fucking move on we're done you enter the new era of the news just guessing what people would uh would say assuming what they will say if you ask them yeah i don't know if that would work but it's an interesting suggestion so anyway we'll be back jordan indeed we will but until then we have a website we do have a website it's knowledgefight.com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight and act go to bed jordan yes we're on facebook we are on facebook and if you would like to download the show please go to itunes or wherever podcast you will apps are sold download leave a review share with your friends donate do

the whole thing yeah we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i am the bringer of the red storm andy and chanzas you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first-time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you