Knowledge Fight - #401: Formulaic Objections Part 3

Episode Date: February 21, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan reflect on the sentencing of Roger Stone in a very somber way, by discussing some recent video that was released of his very angry and very petty deposition a defamation suit.

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We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Indeed we are Dan We're sneaky snakes We are This is a Friday episode on our day off Yeah The day of the day of Roger Stone's pardoning I imagine Well no no no not yet

No not yet As we're recording Just a just an hour or so before we started recording Roger Stone was sentenced to 40 months in prison Yup And your prediction is by the time this comes out He will be pardoned My prediction although I'm not like I'm not super into making actual predictions so we can make this a gamble Of course of course

I predict that it will be a pardon that will come whenever Trump wants to disrupt the next news cycle That either needs to like get bad news away from him Right right right Or possibly Good news on Democratic primary Something to have to do with the Democratic primary Throw a Roger Stone pardon in

And finally screw up the news cycle Yeah it's a jangling keys to the media It's like oh we just unearthed reports that Trump has killed six people by hand and then he's like I'm pardoning Roger Stone And they're like well we gotta ignore that news It's a thing that's like if you're gonna do it anyway it doesn't really matter when you're gonna do it So why not use it to some effect But then the same argument is like if you're gonna do it it doesn't matter when you do it might as well do it now Yeah yeah

As we're in the middle of recording I mean Blagojevic is him just waggling his dick at justice so why not just keep it rolling Speaking as a couple dudes who live in Chicago Illinois Yeah Thrill Fuck you Gotta say he won this city over

People who love Rod Blagojevic Yup yup Chicago it's Yeah yeah yeah That's what we're known for Right I think he has about the same amount of public love as Rom We're not we're not very kind to our government officials mainly because they're not kind to us

It seems like there's some of that Yeah So anyway do you have a question Sure Got off a little tangent there Dan Dan have you ever wanted something classic like let me give you an example you know like some people have always wanted a classic type writer You know like that kind of thing Yeah I mean I want to

Have you ever desired something like that Yeah I like old radios That's right Like really cool like tube radios I got one I have a 1930 rehab radio on my mantle I was thinking about I was considering a collection of trying to get a collection of radios together But some of that's pretty fucking expensive and that is not in the cards You're not the first person to want a collection of old radios

Right and then some of them too are like really huge And I don't know how much I could commit to that kind of a decor thing Yeah Like a cabinet sized Right So I don't know I like that but other than that I don't know I'm not super into antiques Not really a not like a record player guy or anything like that No

No I know no old style Keytar not a real not a real keytar guy No but actually the other thing decor wise that I would like is a bunch of like either communist or anti-communist propaganda posters Right Actual ones that aren't just like new re-imaginings of what that art aesthetic from the 50s and onward in the Cold War era was I would be really into that like antique posters That sounds cool But also I think those are probably fucking really super expensive too

Yeah And hard to find I imagine so But no I don't care too much for originals of things Yeah I've just been watching this show on Netflix called The Repair Shop No it's called The Repair Shop it's a British show The Great British Repair Show Yeah basically it's so it is so that it's a bunch of really really talented restores at this little shop and they're all happy all the time

Fixing people's heirlooms and smiling and enjoying themselves and I can't help but want to go on that show with something old and I don't got nothing It's unfortunate that you need something old in order to gain access Exactly It makes me so happy That's rude of them I know Let me in Just let me hang out for a bit

I have not seen that show Jordan but I do know a lot about Alex Jones and hence we can do this podcast Hell yes we can So Jordan today I have something that is I guess related to Germaine Yeah in some ways this is this thing is Dupree Germaine Dupree I was gonna go with Jackson but we're alright Fine

Yeah this this what I've got prepared today is I would look at it as kind of like a saying farewell to Roger if he's going to prison for a while Right Like we won't be able to enjoy some good like high register really in his element Roger Stone That's true So today I found something that I think we can all enjoy and no matter what even if you feel bad about the fact that Roger's probably not going to prison He's probably going to get a pardon Yeah Even if you feel like everything is shitty you can still enjoy some of this

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So Jordan I don't know if you know this What don't I know But back in February 2019 Jerome Corsi filed a lawsuit against Roger Stone Indeed he did He claimed defamation among other complaints This was the ultimate result of the two men's collaboration During the 2016 campaign

Where Corsi and Roger were working together To try to get in touch with Julian Assange Now we've heard Alex Jones say on air multiple times That he explicitly told Roger to get in touch with Assange And both Corsi and Roger were working at info wars at the time Or working with them at very least But it might be too much of a stretch to say that the two men's actions Were being done specifically at the order of Alex

That's fair Yeah Cause he's an idiot Whatever the case When you work with Roger Stone Things tend to not go great for you It's super rare for people to walk away Without some kind of darkness looming over their lives

If they're lucky to not get arrested At the center of the falling out That the two of them had Was the tweet that Roger posted on August 21st 2016 That said quote Trust me It will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel Hashtag Kirk and Hillary

This tweet predated the release of the hacked Podesta emails And based on all available information It predated anyone outside of WikiLeaks Knowing that they were going to be released According to Corsi A couple days after Roger posted that tweet Roger asked Corsi to draft a memo That he could use as a cover story

For why he tweeted something he should have no business knowing about Right This memo was allegedly about how Roger wrote that tweet Based on research that Corsi had been doing on Quote Podesta and Hillary's alleged relationship With Russian companies Jerome, Jerome, I rat-fucked myself I need to rat-fuck you to get my rat-fuck out of myself

After Mueller started investigating And it became clear that this just wasn't true Corsi came out by late 2018 And admitted that the memo he had written was a lie And was made specifically to explain why Roger posted that tweet After Corsi came out and made some comments That were not looking good for Roger Who was about to be indicted by Mueller

As the story he had told in interviews with investigators Was coming a bit unraveled Roger went on the attack against Jerome Corsi He started talking shit about him on Infowars Which if you're Corsi, you kind of should have expected Like Corsi worked for Alex, he knows that there's no rules About responsibility that are practiced at Infowars It's ridiculous

If you get stabbed in the back by Roger, that's your fault You should never have turned your back to Roger in the first place If you associate with him, metal plate on your back Exactly, absolutely So Roger railed on Corsi on air and in social media Alleging that Corsi was working with Mueller to jam him up Corsi claimed that these attacks had resulted in him suffering Quote, intentional infliction of emotional distress and assault

An article in Newsweek says that Corsi claimed Roger Quote, carried out a campaign of threats against him To cause him to have heart attacks and strokes In order that Plaintiff will be unable to testify at Stone's criminal trial Good dodge, good dodge Corsi claimed that Roger was doing this sort of intimidation Because he fancied himself a little bit of a gangster type And he loved the mafia

This argument gains a little credibility based on the fact that one of the Roger's charges in the Mueller case was related to witness intimidation Directed towards Randy Kredico The other person Roger tried to use as a scapegoat to explain his Advanced knowledge of the Podesta emails His friend His friend that he tried to stitch up for You know how you talk to your friends?

I'm going to take your dog away from you We're having jokes, we're just playing a little game I will still say though, even though there's some credibility Because of Roger's behavior towards Kredico I think the idea that he was trying to give Corsi a heart attack Might be a little much, might be a little dramatic Yeah, yeah, yeah So the basic plot of Corsi's suit is that

Based on his being named as a material witness And considering the things that he knew about Roger He believed that Roger's actions were an attempt to intimidate him Co-operating with the case against Roger In the process, Roger was defaming Corsi in order to smear him And make his testimony seem less credible Or even make it appear that Corsi was the criminal behind this whole thing all along The initial filing of the lawsuit lists the defamatory statements

And honestly, it just sounds like Roger being Roger Now, having said that, it might be illegal Then that's defamatory It might be illegal for Roger just to be Roger When Roger says hi to his wife, that's defamation The line is, but none of it seems out of the ordinary So Corsi is suing Roger for $25 million Which I suspect was never going to go anywhere

And honestly, I have a hard time believing that this suit Would even have gotten to a trial The claim defamatory statements seem as best as I can tell To be things that would be easy to claim or opinions But that's a matter for a judge and, you know, I can't I'm not going to make a legal decision In his lawsuit, Corsi decided to hire for his lawyer Another person who's been slighted by InfoWars

A man by the name of Larry Clayman You may remember him as the guy who wouldn't stop yelling About how Obama was trying to bring Ebola into the country To attack white people And as the lawyer representing Dennis Montgomery The guy who was working with Sheriff Joe Arpaio On some shady business that everyone decided to pretend Was proof that Trump was being spied on

In terms of the places I've come across Clayman I will say that he has not impressed me much I wouldn't hire him as my lawyer And it does not look great when you see people who are Scraping a barrel's bottom For instance, right now, Larry Clayman is representing George Zimmerman Who's apparently suing Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg

Because they tweeted about how Trayvon Martin Would be 25 years old right now if he wasn't dead That lawsuit is seeking $265 million And is disgusting I don't think that one's going to go well for George No one's disgusting But it's not the most disgusting thing that Larry Clayman Has done with George Zimmerman

Because back in December, they teamed up to sue Trayvon Martin's family for $100 million I can't imagine that lawsuit will work out But what it will definitely do is make people Really warm up to this Zimmerman guy Yeah, yeah, yeah You know, I was thinking that he... You know, it's like when you get piled on

So you've been publicly shamed by John Ronson It's similar to that But now my sympathies are gone Ugh, that fucking... So the Southern Poverty Law Center has described Clayman as Quote pathologically litigious So I'm going to watch what I say about him And also that image of him being quote pathologically litigious

Kind of comes into play in the Corsi situation Because as soon as Corsi sued Roger with Clayman as his lawyer Roger started attacking both of them Calling into question Clayman's ability as a lawyer And saying he had a low IQ Sure And what do you know? Larry Clayman turned around and sued Roger along with Corsi

That also sounds right Now they're both claiming defamation against him Is that a conflict of interest for the lawyer to be suing for himself As well as somebody else in the same trial? I don't know So on April 5th, 2019, Corsi and Clayman joined their suits against Roger Which was now also against Roger's associate Michael Caputo With Clayman still acting as a lawyer

Sure Which brings us to why we're here today This is going to be like World War I Where eventually all of these conservative personalities pick sides And then everybody's, like Caitlyn Bennett is suing Laura Loomer And that's all a fucking mess up Laura Loomer's lawyer, Larry Clayman No, get the fuck out

Nope, totally Fuck me Alright, well then we know which side she's going to be on So in the past on our show, Larry Clayman has been associated with the organization Judicial Watch Since he founded that group But he's actually left it He left back in around 2004 And ultimately started a new group called Freedom Watch

In the evening hours of Tuesday, February 18th, 2020 I'm Dan, this is 2020 God damn it As I was editing up our Project Camelot episode that we released on Wednesday Freedom Watch posted something that would have been an absolutely perfect Wacky Wednesday episode And it's honestly, it's like catnip to me So there's no way I could resist doing an episode about this immediately Of course not

They posted a whole shit ton of video of Roger Stone being deposed for this lawsuit God damn it, Dan You told me that there were, you told me you were reading some of his deposition I thought you only had transcripts Oh no You got fucking video Oh yeah, oh yeah Oh god

I can't wait So as if that wasn't enough to get me excited Like dude, he's being questioned by the opposing side's lawyer Yeah, absolutely Which is Larry Clayman He's being questioned by Larry Clayman Yeah God, this is going to be amazing

Larry Clayman is the lawyer doing the deposition to Roger Oh god, it's just almost perfect That is very funny That's just a recipe for a disaster So the deposition is five hours long on day one Of course it is And then about 48 minutes as a rejoinder on a second day So this is six hours of shit I had to go through

And you know what, it doesn't disappoint if you're looking for a complete disaster To give you a little sense, here's just a taste of some of the vibe Did you just call me a bitch? You're acting like one Holy shit I was going to say it's a joke that it devolves into him being like, you're a dick And he's like, no, you're a dick And that is what it is

I'm not sure it devolves into that Yeah, it starts there and it keeps going It is frequently like that You're acting like what? Jesus Christ So that should give you a sense of the tone And the level of professionalism on display here I'm going to spare everyone from the pain of having to go through this seriously Because it was mostly a jumbled mass of Roger trolling Larry

And I'm not sure I honestly learned that much about the case from watching all of it That's not a surprise But I can tell you a few things Okay First, Roger is fucking loving being deposed God damn it I think he loves it, particularly when it's Klayman who's the lawyer Because I think, from everything I can tell, he hates Larry Klayman

See, now we're getting back from our evil rat fucker to Loki traversing the earth sowing discord I'm very mad Yeah I don't like it In different moods, a person is capable of Roger is at his best when he gets to embody righteous indignation Here, he's being asked questions about a case that he is not taking seriously Which allows him to just be a complete dick to it

And you know, because the target of it is someone who you also are like, oh fuck yourself It is, it is Loki-ish And you can enjoy it a little bit as evil as Roger is It's really frustrating that sometimes, despite myself, I'm like, get him Roger Just fucking do it Because Roger's kind of good at certain things Right, right Competent

Yes Someone like Larry to fuck off He's very good at telling somebody like Larry to fuck off Right Second, the other thing that I need to tell you is I don't care what happens with this case It's the very definition of a let him fight situation Roger probably definitely said some untrue things about both Corsi and Klayman So if he gets in trouble for it, who cares?

Also, if he gets away with it, Corsi and Klayman both suck So I don't really care here The only outcome of this, no matter how it goes, is that both sides end up wasting resources fighting with each other And that's all right in my book Fantastic So we've seen how Alex Jones, Rob Dew, and Paul Joseph Watson behave when they're forced to be under oath and in a deposition They change completely And either play dumb or pretend to be serious

Right Now, it's time to experience Roger Stone under oath Which I'll say is very similar to Roger Stone anywhere else This dude does not give a fuck So it begins by talking about some of Roger's history And his educational background and then working for some presidential campaigns You know what I never realized? I probably should have known this And I bet I did, I just didn't remember

He didn't graduate from college He didn't? No, he went to a year of college and then started working for Nixon God, you can be whatever you want to be It's pretty remarkable to me that he doesn't have some sort of a degree or some formal training in political science But I guess that's why No, that makes perfect sense People with a formal degree or training and wouldn't do any of this shit, right?

Roger has to eschew formal training to really tap into his ratfuckereous Yeah, and so they talk about the early history and then the topic comes up of when these two first crossed paths Did they come to a point in time when you met me, Larry Klayman? Yes, indeed When was that? When you represented me Did I not meet you earlier than that at the Old Ebbett Grill with regard to Jack Kemp? I don't recall

At the time that you met me, I had said I was interested in helping Jack Kemp It's entirely possible I just don't recall And is it not true that you had me put on the executive finance committee for Jack Kemp? Jack in the form I just don't recall Roger does not remember any of this shit So as it turns out Larry Klayman and Roger Stone go way back And the two men have a rich history

Roger believes that they met when Klayman represented Roger, which we'll get back to But it appears that their paths crossed when Klayman wanted to work on the Jack Kemp campaign in which Roger was an advisor That would have been the 1988 election So that puts them at being acquaintances of 32 years That's a long time I don't recall you as a person I don't recall talking to you There's a little disrespect

When I was paying you, that's when I remember you So for the Jack Kemp stuff, Roger doesn't remember that meeting So I'm going to go ahead and take that off the table In 1996, Roger was working on the Bob Dole campaign And things got a little messy when the National Enquirer were reported on how he'd posted ads and scandalous pictures of himself and his wife in swingers magazines and online Looking to get some fun going Roger initially blamed an imaginary assistant for posting the ads, but eventually copped to the fact that he'd done it When he finally did come clean, he was still kind of a weasel about it

Saying, quote, when that whole thing hit the fan in 1996, the reason I gave a blanket denial was that my grandparents were still alive I'm not guilty of hypocrisy You're being hypocritical in that sentence It does seem that way So this was a bit of a scandal because it was 1996 And so much of the right-wing attacks on Bill Clinton had to do with him and his womanizing So this would be a bad look for Dole to have a senior advisor who was out swinging Particularly considering that, according to the Chicago Tribune, Roger was part of Bob Dole's, quote, Clinton accountability team

And thus, by September of 1996, Roger had stepped down from the Dole campaign I don't really care about Roger swinging, you know, it's his business, but I do think that his response to the Enquirer story speaks a lot to his character I understand the culture wasn't accepting of people living alternative lifestyles at that point, but the lengths that he went to pretend that he'd been set up were pretty ridiculous Anyway, Roger threatened to sue the Enquirer, and Larry Clayman was his lawyer in that case Great, great, great So back in 1996, that was where Roger is saying their paths first crossed Right, right, right But because there was no imagined perpetrator to sue here, Roger was lying about that

And there was no libel on the part of the Enquirer, this case went nowhere And Roger took a pretty big hit to his credibility Consider, he was a college dropout who went to work on shady shit for Richard Nixon He'd worked for Reagan, he was an advisor for Bob Dole These is big leagues in the GOP circles of politics But after this scandal, he went down the fight card a little bit His profile just didn't match with presidential candidates And thus, in 2004, Roger was enlisted to advise a certain candidate on their run for a Florida seat in the U.S. Senate

That candidate was Larry Clayman God damn these people A lot of intersections How, how is it, is it okay for Clayman to be questioning him in this deposition? Is that even okay? It's comical That is ridiculous That is ridiculous

Too long time of people who have known each other, who do not like each other, trying to pretend there's some formality I don't get it No Larry would end up with 1.1% of the vote in the Republican primary, putting him in a very respectable 7th place A Sun Sentinel article about the candidates in that primary includes a section about Clayman Where he compares himself to Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan And his policy set is described as, quote, he advocates abolishing the IRS, the forcible removal of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro Sure

And psychological testing for judges Okay Great Would he be administering the psychological testing? Slate's chatterbox had an article about his Senate run Which was mostly about how even back then he had a bit of a reputation for being wildly litigious The piece ends, quote, for chatterbox though, there's only one issue in the Larry Clayman campaign If elected, will he pledge not to file any lawsuits for the next six years?

Quote, categorically no, Clayman said Of course Will he pledge not to sue anyone for the duration of his Senate campaign? Quote, no, look, it's a free country That's just a man who likes suing people, he doesn't even want anything out of it He just likes filling out that paperwork, deposing people who have no business being exposed Using the law as a weapon Yeah, it's great

So I found a really interesting piece about his 2004 run on The Nation According to this article, Larry's adventures at Judicial Watch, where he would file tons of lawsuits, mostly against people in the Clinton orbit They were funded by Richard Mellon Scafe, the right-wing billionaire mega donor According to this article, Clayman sought funding from Scafe for his Senate run in a letter that said, quote As a senator, I will have considerable powers that I did not have at Judicial Watch Including the ability to investigate and prosecute in the Senate, Hillary Clinton, much like Richard Nixon did with the communist spy, Alger Hiss If I'm someday to run for president, I need the credentials to do so Being a senator will provide me with this

I did not, I didn't think it was possible to desire somebody to be president less than Trump But I will be goddamned if Clayman would be worse at his job This was part of a multi-stage plot that was to result in Hillary being tried in the Senate and Larry Clayman as president It should be pointed out that Scafe spokesperson told the nation, quote He has not given a dime to Mr. Clayman's campaign, and in fact, he discouraged him from running Well, that's probably true Anyway, this nation article is mostly about the question of whether or not soliciting this loan would constitute a campaign finance violation Yes

But seeing as it was 16 years ago, I'm not really going to get bogged down in that question I'm not really interested Because the answer is yes The important thing for us today is that the reason that Larry needed money is because the only way he could fund his campaign was through soliciting donations through direct mailings And he didn't have access to a large database of names in order to target those mailings When you're in that situation, you know, you don't have a giant mailing list You need to pay for access to other people's lists of names As Clayman was doing with the list held by American Target Advertising

The problem was, according to this article, that he was spending almost as much as he was bringing in with this strategy So that wasn't going to cut it That doesn't seem like a good strategy Breaking even on campaign finance donations is not good So you need to reach out to a billionaire mega donor, have them pay for the list or something, and then you end up making whatever Yeah, or have $60 billion yourself, that also works Anyway, throughout the rest of Roger's deposition, he and Larry get into a number of fights about this 2004 campaign Roger's position seems to be that Larry led him to believe that he had access to the judicial watch mailing list, which would have helped make his campaign viable, but he did not

Roger felt misled, unlike his time was being wasted Conversely, Larry keeps alleging that Roger's staff stole computers that he bought with his own money when they left his campaign I believe both of them I'm not sure who I believe, and ultimately I really don't care These dudes both suck But I wanted to walk you through a bit of this history up top, because the clips of them arguing about this stuff, they're not really useful for our purposes Because there's like little interjections, and like, they're in the middle of a different question, they're like, why'd you steal my computer? It's a personal fucking joke

But it's not as out of nowhere and fighty as that might make you think, but it just, the way, it wouldn't have been, I don't think I would have been able to present it by clips I just have to sort of But you kind of need to know about that stuff in order to understand that these dudes have a long deep history and clearly fucking hate each other You stole my computers That's a deposition question It's so fun So it starts out, you know, on a not great tone It gets adversarial pretty fast

You're aware that the document production requested the production of phone records as well? There must not have been any phone records to produce, if you can get any Text messages, you're aware that it required production of text messages? It certainly was, I believe that the text messages were provided Emails? Yes, absolutely Now you were convicted of not providing information to Congress, which had been requested That is untrue

Objection It's not true Not charged with withdrawing, but go ahead And your lawyers actually sent letters to Congress on your behalf saying that you did not have documents when you did Objection? I'm instructing the witness not to answer, we're not talking about any criminal matters We're not talking about criminal matters, we're talking about a course of conduct That's what we're talking about

I want to make sure he's aware that he needs to produce everything I'm well aware of that You learned the hard way, right? Objection Because your delusion does not mean that I have to be badgered by you My delusion where you were convicted of seven counts? I'm not going to answer that question So you can already get the sense of this needling

Like there's a strategy that Larry's using that's clearly like, I'm going to get him to yell at me I'm going to get him pissed off I'm going to get him pissed off and he's doing the fucking, you can't handle the truth strategy He's going to try and piss him off until he admits it Well that's a dumb strategy But it's also going both ways It develops more into Roger just fucking with him as like a little bit of time goes on But you can tell like even out of the gate his strategy is obviously just like poke, poke, poke

See what happens You're a delusional piece of shit, how about that? Did you just call me a delusional piece of shit? No, I didn't call you a delusional piece of shit Why would you hear that? You would only hear that if you were a delusional piece of shit And Roger's lawyer is trying to make clear right out of the gate We're not answering any questions about criminal matters And Larry keeps trying to get questions in or like references to the Mueller investigation

Which should be off limits for the purposes of this Absolutely But it just keeps happening What computers did the FBI take? All the same computers We're not answering these questions This is relevant to document production I'll tie it up

You're going to wind up getting sanctioned Mr. Bichon No, you're going to wind up getting sanctioned Like you are in DC, so let's go Let's not do that Why not? I'm not going to be badgered by this action Oh yes I am That was one of my first big laughs

When Roger's like, I'm not going to be badgered by this asshole This is breathing life into my cold broken heart This is amazing Wait for it You have no idea how badly this deteriorates It's so good So, you know, there's just a clear tone of like fuck this guy Like first of all, Roger's lawyer is telling him like calm down

Calm down, he's like, do you see this guy? Do you see this fucking asshole guy? It must be so fun to be Roger's lawyer Your entire day is devoted to just telling him to shut up So this beginning portion here that we're in Has to do with like document production You heard him asking about like what computers there were And this goes on

And so then the question comes up of like notes Like handwritten notes Like what's work product? What's relevant to this? And like down for this because this is another big laugh To keep notes yourself, correct? Not on any of these matters I mean, yeah, I make a grocery list, who doesn't?

You never write anything down Of course I write things down But not pertaining to anything we're here to discuss You write all that important to me You didn't write down the lawyer claim as an asshole Did I write that down? With my hand, with my fingers? Not that I recall

That just came to you Well, truth is an absolute defense Yes indeed, we will That is the best Did you write down the lawyer claim as an asshole? Truth is an absolute defense Oh god I can't breathe

That is just Roger being like Fuck you God damn it Roger So one of the things that Larry is taking issue with And he thinks is defamatory Is that Roger went on info wars And he said that Larry's never won a case in his life And you know like he's a loser

And all this and so the issue of him being a loser Keeps coming up And one of the obvious questions that Larry would have Is if I'm a loser, why did you work with me On my campaign for the Senate And I think Roger's just taunting him You wouldn't have represented me if I was a loser would you? I thought that you, if you had the money

Could be a viable candidate for the Senate A loser can't win for the Senate in Florida Not without money A loser could win? A loser cannot win unless they have money This is what defines a loser in your context Someone who loses cases repeatedly And who accomplishes little to nothing

In this case in the legal profession I'm not sure I understand the question How did you do in the Senate race? We'll get to that Thanks to you No thanks to you No thanks to you Where's that list Larry?

Where's that list? Where's that list Larry? We're fucking children We're on a goddamn playground What are we doing here? They're under oath So I'm not a loser am I? No you are a loser

No I'm not a loser How'd that Senate run go? Yeah Not thanks to you Not thanks to you Oh god So Larry's pissed because Roger was working on his Senate campaign And at the time from what Larry's saying

It seems like he had an understanding Or a belief that Roger was going to be an exclusive employee for him Sure On his campaign Bad belief Now Roger also at the time was apparently advising Al Sharpton Who was running for Democratic candidate election for president And so this is a problem for Larry

Because there's no exclusivity and you're going around talking to Sharpton And we're still talking about the lawsuit happening about what happened in 2019 Correct? Okay and we're in the deposition talking about Al Sharpton's campaign Well there is some relevance that will It's not relevant Sure it's not relevant So he's mad that Roger was giving advice to Sharpton

Roger insists he wasn't working for Sharpton And then Larry says some bad things about Al Sharpton And what did you do after we parted ways? What did you do after that? Worked for Sharpton? Never worked for Al Sharpton Consulted with him? Never consulted

He's a friend of mine, I gave him advice when he asked for it Do you have friends that are basically race, baiting, vigilante extortions? Objection, don't You consider those your friends? Objection of form, I'm structing the witness not to answer I mean for a defamation case you just defamed Al Sharpton Al Sharpton You can't defame Al Sharpton

I can't defame you either That's what you think What would a jury decide that? I doubt it So Larry may have Oh god Larry, somehow in a deposition talking about Roger Stone defaming you You have to be a racist towards Al Sharpton for no reason And I don't know if that does rise to the level of defamation

Calling him a race, baiting, extortionist I mean if he was on Fox News he'd be fine Yeah, but under oath, weird That is weird Weird That is a weird thing to say But my favorite thing at the end there is when Larry is like We'll let a jury decide and Roger is like

I doubt it I doubt it Not gonna happen buddy So that keeps happening in this deposition Like Larry will say the courts will decide this And Roger is like I doubt it Because he doesn't think this is gonna get to trial Which I kind of think is probably about right

That's about right Larry however thinks that Roger is saying I doubt it Because he has no faith in the legal process Sure He's being defiant about the courts ruling in advance Sure But in reality Roger is just telling him this case stinks And he's fucking with him and be like this is never going anywhere

If this isn't thrown out I'll eat my hat and go to prison for exactly 40 months The psycho drama that's going on is just fantastic Yeah It's very boring to watch all of it But it's really fun in little When you distill it down it's good But god damn there are like an hour long stretch of boring nothing So at this point Larry starts to sort of lay out why some of this is relevant

So there's that ugliness that happened back in 2004 When he was running for the senate and apparently Roger's people stole those computers And this is informing Roger's beliefs in the present day There's a couple clips about this that I think will like really start to thread the needle Because I know it doesn't make sense now But it should here in a moment Why did you refer to me during that broadcast?

I suspect because you did something I didn't like What did I do that you didn't like? Don't recall So you'll make negative statements about somebody even if you don't know whether anyone did anything I'm talking to an opinion it's a free country So it just came out of the blue Don't recall what prompted it to be honest with you In fact you thought somehow that I was going to be a threat to you

With regard to special counsel Robert Muller's so-called Russian collusion investigation An obsession of form I'm not going to answer that We're not talking about the criminals You were concerned about my experience with you at the time that you were consulting on my senate campaign in Florida, correct? Conjecture on your part You were concerned that your staff had misappropriated computers and cell phones and the like which I had purchased with my own money Absolutely not and I don't know that there's any proof of that

So he's saying that you Roger defamed me on info wars because you knew that I didn't like you because your staff stole computers in 2004 And that I was a threat because I might work with Muller This is turning into like a Tarantino Mexican standoff movie situation right here where it's like the hateful eight They're just sitting across the table at each other talking forever It's it's very strange because I think that like I just you know Roger I bet he's confused through a bit of this because it is confusing The connections the claimants trying to make between stuff is just just like where is any proof of this Yeah also Larry why did you say why why did Roger say mean things about you on air Roger does that to everybody everybody

Why what are you how would you expect him to act? You knew him in 2004 you barely knew him from 88 on the Jack Kemp campaign You know you know damn what you were his lawyer in 96 when he lied about somebody posting those pictures You know who this guy is Yeah you've got to know how dare you ask a question like that So he takes another swing claimant takes another swing at this trying to be like you were worried about me working with Muller And that's why when I got involved with Corsi as his lawyer you know you got Rogers doesn't even care about this because it's just Larry saying things

You were concerned that I didn't like you in some way correct No Not particularly that doesn't concern me one way or another I was concerned that I was angry at you for the time period that you represented me Legibly represented me because you were doing Sharpton No actually I was angry at you but that's okay Okay why were you angry at me? Because a number of misstatements and falsehoods that you told me regarding your ability to raise money

Okay well money is all this important to you right Money is important in terms of getting you elected to the Senate And it's important to fill your pockets Do you not work for money Mr. Clinton? You never paid me a dime You violated my trust did you not? You violated my trust Mr. Clinton This is therapy

Yeah I was about to say they should be in couples counseling they shouldn't be here Is this in a fucking deposition? This is ridiculous This is an airing of grievances It is And it turns fucking ugly in this next clip Okay Because you know the other the the famatory one of the statements is the claimant hasn't won any cases

Yeah And it turns out he has Yes And the judge is like well it was my sense that you hadn't And then it turns into a very nasty insult session Okay alright He's meaning claimant never actually won a courtroom victory in his life I believe that to be true at the time yes

Now you never did any research did you to find out whether that was true or not before you made that statement That is an impression that I had yes Okay But in fact you actually did know that I had had courtroom victories No actually I did Or you wouldn't have wanted to be my so-called consultant in the senate campaign That was a long time before this Okay

You then say at 1.30 Defended Stone says he meaning claimant was ousted at judicial watch Asked Tom Fitton why he left He was ousted because of a sexual harassment complaint Yes I'd heard that Yeah where did you hear that Don't recall You heard it from Fitton didn't you I most certainly did not

Okay but you remember that but you don't remember where you heard it I don't remember I heard but as I've told you previously I've never spoken to Tom Fitton Other than the one time in passing when we shook hands And during that one time in passing you discussed this correct We did not So you just gleaned that out of the cosmos You know how politics work people talk Particularly about something like that

Well who talked What were the circumstances that you were leaving Who talked Why would you leave an organization that you founded Who talked I don't recall You don't recall No you don't

You're lying aren't you Mr. Chair No you're lying aren't you Mr. Clayton You're a convicted liar aren't you Stop Stop You're about to be ousted from the bar Stop Let's take a break

Good time for a break Have fun blessing your own children Larry I read the court decision You read that huh Yeah I did Whichever you need anything else Fuck you Yeah it's time for a break

Holy shit That's one to leave on That's a good exit line Yeah I don't think you're going to get back to normal calm Conversation after that No I tried to look into that

And that has something to do with Divorce filing And Larry's pass I have no idea what the circumstances that are Sure I'm not even going to go anywhere No no no The only explanation I can find for that sexual harassment

Business It comes from a 2009 lawsuit that Larry Had filed against judicial watch And it's new president Tom Fitton It was a rangy lawsuit claiming breach of contract defamation And other such grievances Part of Larry's argument was that Fitton and judicial watch had committed fraud in the trial

Because they had testified that he was outed from judicial watch Because of a sexual harassment claim But Larry had a deposition from Tom Fitton Saying that Larry was not quote Ousted as a result of a sexual harassment complaint This argument did not move the court From the memorandum opinion in the case Quote

Clayman has not identified any of Fitton's testimony at trial Contradicting the quoted deposition testimony Or suggesting that Clayman was quote Outed as a result of a sexual harassment complaint He references only testimony of Paul Orphanities In addressing Mr. Orphanities's Understanding of why Clayman left judicial watch Nowhere in his testimony did Mr. Orphanities

State that Clayman left judicial watch Due to a sexual harassment complaint He testified that Clayman left judicial watch In part to avoid quote An internal investigation into whether he, Clayman Pursued an inappropriate relationship with an employee And at most explained his concern that judicial watch Might have been subject to sexual harassment allegations

Based on that alleged relationship Gotcha It seems like this is the best explanation I can find For that situation It looks like it's a thing where Paul Orphanities Who was a lawyer at judicial watch Had testified that Clayman had a relationship with an employee Who didn't say that there was a sexual harassment complaint

It seems like maybe this became a bit of a game Of telephone from there Since Clayman got a bit defensive about it in the court case Part of Clayman's claim of defamation against Roger Is that Roger said on inforce that he was ousted At judicial watch Asked Tom Fitton why he left He was outed because of a sexual harassment complaint

Which is not something Roger could probably substantiate That does make it an inaccurate statement presented as fact But I also don't know if Larry can prove Roger didn't know it was true when he said it It's a really hard thing to tell with an asshole like Roger Yeah Because this is something that people talk about Like I've seen the claim repeated a bunch of places

It took a while to find that case where this probably came from Right But I mean The rumor's been bandied about for a while Absolutely It's a little bit late to claim now that Roger definitively knew That that wasn't the case whenever he said that Since the rumor was everywhere

Yeah And I don't know if because Larry Clayman's also a public figure In as much as he's, you know, sued every Democratic politician Ever It would be very, I think it would be pretty difficult to demonstrate Actual malice there Which is kind of one of the benefits I guess to being like Roger And just having malice towards everyone

Yeah So Does he? It's almost, if you had to determine whether or not he had malice in court It's like it gets down to whether or not he can even feel in the first place Like you don't even... Is he a psychopathic robot? You don't know

He's just gonna claim whatever He's just a lunatic Yeah So you have them going out to break with, you know Roger accusing Clayman of abusing his own children And telling him to fuck himself Yeah, yeah Going out to break on that one

Like this is an episode of Modern Family It's tough It's tough It's hard to break You're gonna have to come back from that one You're gonna have to come back Okay The tone is just...

I would just say we'll come back tomorrow You don't know why you would come back I'll send a rep How long was the break? Hey, Larry, get another lawyer This is not gonna work Defending stone You called me a piece of garbage, correct?

If this is an accurate transcript, yes Constitutionally protected free speech Make it a practice of calling people pieces of garbage Yes This is one of the points where I start thinking That maybe this is not a strong looking suit If one of the things that Larry wants to ask Roger About is Roger calling him a piece of garbage

I have no idea what's even going on I can't imagine a reality where you can get sued For defamation because you call someone garbage It seems like that would be presuming That you think the person is making a factual claim That you are in fact garbage And also that you know the claim is false At the time you're making it

It's so easy to see that this is an insult And a statement of opinion It just strikes me that this is like If this is on your list of defamatory things Roger said, it's a bad list This is silly Roger, if you look down at the transcript It shows, did you call me a doodoo head?

Constitutionally protected free speech Now we just answer the question So in this next clip We get to the question of Claimants IQ Which has been attacked by Roger At 411 For those people out there who think That Larry Claimants IQ is higher than 70

You're wrong, you said that right? Yes, if this is an accurate transcript Again, my opinion Now that's a factual statement Is it not that I don't have an IQ higher than 70? It's an opinion This is just not going to fly Yeah, Larry, if you're trying to prove him wrong

This is the wrong way to go about it This just doesn't seem like Those statements are very easily depicted as opinion I don't, I don't know Anyway, there's a list of insults That Larry has to Do we get a rapid fire? A bit, yeah

Oh, I want it It's not a huge list And it's not really that great But the way Roger responds to it is just like Oh, so good At one o'clock You also publish Quote to be clear

Larry Claimant is a moron He has never won a case In court in his life He may have won a few motions He's a lightweight, he's a know-nothing Now to be able to make the statement That I never won a case in court You had to look back into my record

As a lawyer, correct? Well, that's the impression I had I believed that to be sure at the time I said it So you basically showed a reckless disregard For the truth at a minimum Have you watched this video of the other things I said? I'm getting to that Constitutional protective police footage

Oh, God Just the You're not going to dispute the whole European shit part? You're not going to dispute the moron Wait, no, nothing? God, such a dick response God, that's so funny So, Larry

If you get this next clip, he's trying to Play like he's sneaky But serving Roger with the Papers for the lawsuit You attempted to evade service of process On the cases that were served on you Most certainly did not In fact, I had to have you serve at a strip club

Did I not? You attempted to have me serve at a strip club But I don't think you were successful But I've accepted service at home And in public events for all of your suits Ah, I had to get you at a strip club You tried What a response to that

What a response, I just love that You, none of the other details That could be important there All of them are wiped away But just, you didn't do it buddy You missed, you come at the king You best not miss So now the issue of Cassandra Fairbanks

Comes up, who's a Right-wing writer Of sorts and is You know, she writes for like Gateway Pundit, I believe now Or maybe doesn't anymore, but did, I don't know Who cares, I have not kept up too much With her, but she

Is Factored into this because She did some Stories maybe negative About Jerome Corsi around This time and like went on Newsmax and talked bad about Corsi And Larry's

Implication is that Roger told her to do this Which would be a problem Probably because You know Yeah, yeah But he doesn't have any evidence And he's just trying to make this claim

And thinking Roger would be like, you got me Regarding Miss Fairbanks You've had discussions with her about Jerome Corsi, have you not? I don't recall Any specific conversation with her About Dr. Corsi You just can't recall a specific one

I can't recall a general one I can't recall any conversation With her regarding Dr. Corsi Are you aware that the Clintons used to say We have no specific recollection No, but it's not a bad Turn of phrase, I have

In this case that would be the case That you might have some recollection But you just don't remember now I don't recall ever having Any conversation with Cassandra Fairbanks Regarding Dr. Corsi So that's going to be A problem for the argument

That he did Unless you have some sort of an indication And evidence An email from her to him Or him sending her an email That said hey talk shit on Corsi for me Something, anything Piece of evidence and it does not seem like

There is any, so it's just like hey Did you do this? No, I think you did it I know it does seem like I don't trust Roger, there's a decent chance He did, but I don't think you're Proving it, I have no clue So now this turns into a really Weird thing where

Where I don't know how any of this is relevant But Clayman starts talking weird stuff About Cassandra Fairbanks Are you aware of their photos of Cassandra Fairbanks On the internet? I would think so, isn't she a columnist? Are you aware that their photos

Of her in other contexts On the internet? No, I'm not I have no idea What any kind of relevance To this hypothetical nude pictures Or risqué pictures Of Cassandra Fairbanks existing online What they have to do with this

At all In an ideal situation It's a waste of a question It's a waste of time It doesn't seem to go anywhere But this also leads into I didn't know this Maybe I didn't, I just didn't care

I don't know, but apparently Jerome Corsi Has said That Cassandra Fairbanks told him That she slept with Julian Assange In the embassy The Ecuadorian embassy When she went to go visit him One of the, okay

So we get to talking about that a little bit I still don't know how this is relevant What is going on? I have no idea He had an interest in Cassandra Fairbanks Because she had had contact with Julian Assange Correct? I don't know that we've ever discussed that

Of the fact that she has A concern for his well-being And she visited him In the embassy in London? I've read that I've read that Are you aware that she told Dr. Corsi In the embassy?

I saw where Dr. Corsi Alleged that, but I don't know what to be true Where did you see that? Read it somewhere She told you that, right? No Stop You put her up to defame Dr. Corsi

I most certainly did not Do you have any evidence of that? It's already asked And made that accusation It's just repetitive It's a strategy First of all If you're trying to go up against someone like Roger Stone

Not an effective strategy He relishes this You are firmly In Roger Stone's territory I don't know Even in another circumstance If that would be a good strategy to employ It seems like

A decent lawyer working with Roger Could get anything that's said Completely taken out of court Tossed out The behavior that's being shown here With the arguing And now we're talking about rumor About other people

That aren't involved Absolutely And just basic assertions Where did you hear that from? Who told you? You put her up to this You can't just do that I mean you can

So now Is a stretch Did you kill JFK? I think you did So Roger He asks Roger About something that he said about Jerome Corsi Which was essentially

If you see his lips moving, you know he's lying Yes A common thing, it's an old idiom Larry thinks that's about him Even though Roger was talking About Jerome Corsi Listen to the explanation Paragraph 22

At 626 in the infowars video Defendants don't falsely publish that quote You can always tell when Jerry Corsi is lying Because his lips are moving Unquote See that? Definitely because he was lying as we had just said On the previous minute

This goes beyond what you claim was a specific lie That he lies anytime that he says anything I think he told multiple lies To tell you the truth But yes, I definitely said that He's a total lawyer I think he lied on some occasions here But this goes beyond just some occasions

Anytime his lips are moving he's lying That's what I said In fact, that's an expression that's frequently used With regard to lawyers, isn't it? How do you tell a lawyer's line his lips are moving? You never heard it in that context You're also referring to me, weren't you In this statement?

While conjecture on your part And you're suggesting I help him lie Where does it say that? You're putting words in my mind You're not that clever Do some research and defamation by implication Good luck Apparently you've done a lot of research

But won't testify truthfully Listen, stop God, stop with your commentaries Ask your next question Making commentary towards me You asked for it These are children God

You always just imagine that what goes on inside Official places like core rooms And depositions is like really Rigid by the books Serious people Sometimes it's just like this Oh yeah, there's tons of them I just want

I can't get enough of Larry Listing insults that Roger's giving him I just want him to go down to Liz February 2nd You said I'm a sad sack moap You called me a rat-faced motherfucker Do I have a rat face? You're not constitutionally protected

For your speech, it's my opinion Am I fucking my mother? It's my opinion You know how it goes in politics You hear things So another thing that Roger has said That is of issue is that he has implied That Jerome Corsi is an alcoholic

Yes, sure And so they discussed that claim here a little bit This is a statement that you made, is it not? Made for worse If you say so, I don't You specifically recall it Again, you're calling him an alcoholic Correct

I've drank with him You have no evidence he's an alcoholic I have some personal experience Where I've seen him carried out of a restaurant Stone drunk, yeah That doesn't mean that you're an alcoholic That you were drunk on an occasion I've seen him drunk on more than one occasion

Are you automatically capable of making it? I can certainly tell when somebody's inebriated So the issue The way he said it was He's talking about something that Corsi said And he said that him saying this Is only proof of him having An alcohol affected memory

So it's not even some kind of a clinical definition Of like he's an alcoholic He can just be like, yeah, I've seen him Fucking drunk a bunch of times His memory, in my estimation May be affected by alcohol It'd be so easy to get around any of these things This is weak bullshit

I hate to say it, but I'm on Roger's Own side here Fuck Larry Clayman Larry gets to asking about Bank accounts And the Roger's lawyer is We're not doing financial discovery

But it gets a little bit silly Do you have offshore bank accounts? Say again? No, I do not Whatever Do you keep resources In gold bars? Objection

We're not This is not financial discovery You have no right to ask these questions So objection Ask relevant questions, please Do you have Kruger and Scott? This Roger's lawyer Is so sick of Larry

He's just sitting here like He's like trying to be an adult In the room and it's just pathetic It's just so sad But then you've also got Roger who can't resist Taking the bait He hates Larry, so he's going to tell him to go fuck off Every now and again

And play with him a little bit And you can't like, don't answer that Alright, whatever No, the only person who should feel bad for being in that room Is Roger's lawyer That is a bummer for him So there is a story that was published in the Daily Caller about Jerome Corsi

That Larry Was inserting Or implying Or trying to make the accusation That Roger planted this story Against Jerome Corsi In this clip, he's talking About knowing a lawyer that's associated

With one of the figures in the story That was posted on Daily Caller And this question Doesn't go well I asked you a question earlier about this doctor In Florida I didn't remember his name at the time Daily Caller reporter Chuck Ross

Who works for Dr. Carlson Wrote about accusing Corsi Of fraud The doctor's name Is Mendelssohn Do you know Dr. Mendelssohn? I do not Have you ever heard of him? I think I read the story When it was written

Now the lawyer, and there's also somebody Mentioned here by the name of Tommy Sikler Who is somehow associated With Dr. Mendelssohn Do you see that? I do You know Tommy Sikler? I do not Now the lawyer who represented Tommy Sikler

You know him, do you not? Who is it? I'm not certain Do I? Yes I don't know Tommy Sikler I know a lot of lawyers If you name a lawyer, I'll tell you whether I know him I'll go back and find my notes This evening, but I'll ask you questions about that

I mean, that's fine I don't know Tommy Sikler You are aware that a lawyer was in contact With me With regard to this matter with Mendelssohn Sikler Who's lawyer? I'm going to get the name I'll raise it with you

No, I am not And you are aware that he claimed To be your friend I don't know who he is It's conceivable But you've got to give me a name There is unprepared And then there's this

How do you not know the name of the lawyer You're asking Roger a question about When the question seems to hinge on whether or not Roger knows said lawyer How could you possibly expect Roger to answer a question About an unspecified person That question blew my mind It's like a grandma watching a movie

Oh, he's the guy from that thing You know that guy I don't know that guy What's the thing? I might know the guy Did the stuff when there was a dolphin I need something You know that guy I feel like I was having a stroke

Why are you asking me? Excuse me, sir, do I smell toast? What is happening? I might start crying I don't know the lawyer Who are you talking about? Just give me a name This is a deposition

You're asking me about What's the name of the lawyer Who's related to a case I don't know about Roger, on March 3rd 2019 You said I had the balls of a castrated dog Now, am I holding a castrated dog's balls right now? Constitutionally prepared

To take free speech So the story behind this is that Chuck Ross A writer for The Daily Caller Had posted an article that raised some questions About a GoFundMe campaign That Corsi had been supporting For a guy named Tommy Sickler Sickler was apparently in need

Of an experimental cancer surgery That was to be performed by a Dr. Elliot Mendelson Corsi claimed that Mendelson Had, quote, cured his relative's Stage 4 liver cancer And that Tommy could be saved With this operation as well But he needed the money to make it happen

Apparently that GoFundMe raised Over $25,000 But there were some issues that came up When it got looked into a little bit According to The Daily Caller A link that was provided by Corsi To Dr. Mendelson's clinic Directed people to the website of Mendelson Consulting Group

The registered owner of which Was mysteriously Tommy Sickler That is certainly A pretty big red flag When the guy who needs money for this Miracle surgery happens to also be the owner Of the Miracle Surgeon's business It seems like he would have, I mean

Maybe he could even get it at cost, you know If you're the owner of the business That is all the appearances of a con Who assumed that maybe Corsi's good nature Got caught up in trying to help a guy out However, according to The Daily Caller They were also unable to find Any evidence that Dr. Mendelson even exists

There is an issue there The Sorcassi Medical Center in Tel Aviv Where he's said to have practiced Said that no one by that name works at the facility And that they had no records of him It was alleged that Mendelson Also had a practice in Boca Raton, Florida But there was no one by that name

In the Florida Physician Licensing Database This is a big problem Because Corsi had claimed that his relative Apparently his wife's cousin Had been successfully treated by Dr. Mendelson Now appears to not exist Right, right, right Well, she didn't actually have

Stage 4 cancer though, so it's fine Because an imaginary doctor Can absolutely treat an imaginary disease In fact, maybe that's the only type of doctor That could do any good there So this is the story as it's laid out In The Daily Caller article No idea what's going on here

And Corsi has claimed that he didn't make any money Off the go fund me All I know is what came out in those stories And you can make up your own conclusions About whatever level of grift you think is being run here And whether or not Corsi knew what he was doing Previously, when Corsi was suing Muller This story in The Daily Caller

Was used as proof of Muller Leaking things to the press to attack Corsi This is something that had to have come out Of the closed door Interviews with Corsi Now that they're suing Roger The claim is that Roger used his connections At The Daily Caller and his friendship with Tucker Carlson

To plant the story to attack Corsi And here's the thing A move like that wouldn't surprise me One bit from Roger The claimant is just saying that it's the case There's no evidence at all It seems like, you know, we've already talked about this But the strategy is just to make accusations

And hope Roger will confess It seems dumb It's like asking a bunch of, like, frivolous Did you go to the door earlier? Yes Did you go see a movie last weekend? Yes, I did. Did you kill him? Oh, shit! You almost got me there I gotta say no this time

So it comes up in this In this deposition that Roger was fired By Info Wars And we know that from I mean just Knowing what we know And so Larry's assertion

Is that he got fired because He started talking shit about Corsi Oh, no! Oh, no! And this again is like, what? Why were you fired by Info Wars? There was no way I could continue to speak I was entirely consumed

With my defense But you have been on television And radio on issues other than With regard to your criminal prosecution? Very occasionally You can certainly speak about a lot of other things Other than that? Very occasionally But there was Not a chance that I was going to continue

At Info Wars because there Wouldn't be enough material You were fired from Info Wars because of What you said on Info Wars Concerning Dr. Corsi and me? No, that's categorically false Because you exposed them to a defamation Categorically false?

If that's so, no one ever told me that This strategy is just saying things Yeah, it's weird That's not good So anyway, this next clip Larry accuses Roger of sending goons To Corsi's house And then also makes a shocking

Revelation about Roger From 2004 The problem with all of these is that, yes Roger totally could have And probably has done that In the past, but you have to have something To back it up You just need something, of course

He did shit like this I don't know about sending goons to Corsi's house I wouldn't be surprised, there are no Bottom I wouldn't be surprised Did you ever send people to go in front Of Corsi's house to intimidate him? Let me answer the question, categorically

Positively not Do you have some evidence to the contrary? Present it Now Moving on When I was, when you were representing me In the Senate campaign As a consultant

I told you about some difficulties I was having With fitting the judicial watch, correct? I don't recall that And you told me, I've got people That can take care of that, correct? That I have no memory of that In fact I said I don't do those things How do we know that this even happened?

Just because you say it? I'm asking you It's false And I told you not to do that? That's completely false What are you talking about, Mr. Clayman? Mr. Stone knows No, he doesn't know

Do you have any evidence that I sent These people to Jerry Corsi's home? Present it, let's see it, where is it? It's categorically false So I guess he's saying that he was Going to murder, he had people who Had murdered Tom Fitton back in 2004 That seemed, or at least I guess

Intimidate him or beat him up or something That seems to be what he's Dancing around It kind of does seem Because if it's true, why didn't you say something sooner? Oh, you know why Because Roger knows some guys Exactly

I don't know It just seems like this is terrible This is such an exercise In Roger saying in every possible way You Don't matter to me I don't care, do you know why? I don't remember you because you suck

And you're beneath me I mean nothing to me I would have left already, but this is kind of Amused I don't know if you know this I might go to prison soon So I'm going to enjoy what time I got left Yeah, it is for you all that way

So this next clip, put your mic down For this, just because I think that this Kind of gets to one of the larger issues Of the What claimant is putting forth In order to really have Like a financial claim You have to sort of show how

Roger's actions negatively affected Of course, yeah And so Larry tries to Make that point here But how this clip ends is like It's awesome, it's Roger's lawyer finally Being like, come on

So to say that we are working with Robert Mueller is to say that we're Judices, correct? I didn't say that about you But Barbara Jordan I'm not responsible for the statements Of Deborah Jordan, I've never told her

To say or not say anything In fact, you're aware that I've sued Mueller on behalf of Corsi, correct? I did, what happened with your lawsuit? It's going through the courts I could read about it You're aware that on behalf of Corsi You think that's funny, Michelle?

At least I did something for my client Rather than sitting during the trial Your lawsuit was dismissed That's why I sued her Go ahead He just couldn't resist bringing that guy Yeah, bringing the lawyer in Why are you laughing?

You can't have dad watching two little boys fight Without trying to get dad involved in there In a little bit, pick a side dad And I love Roger being a ooh I know, that was such a Ooh, you're in trouble now What are we doing These are grown men

It is weird So this Jordan Person is another Deborah Jordan She's another alleged person That claimant is saying that Roger used As an intermediary to push these Negative stories to defame

Corsi and himself Again, just with implications If there's evidence, then that Whatever, that's a different story But I don't see any of it presented This year at all And so there's another journalist That

Larry thinks that Roger is using As a fence And he plans to depose them And Roger's like, good luck They're journalists What do you think you're doing In fact, you defamed Corsi and me With Cali Dukakis

That's your version Well, we'll find out from her too Yeah, good luck Why good luck? You wanted to pose a journalist About their sources? Good luck Were you a source? No, but I assume that's what you want to ask her

If you weren't a source, then I guess I can ask her about it You can ask her, but she does not Have to answer any questions regarding Her sources, whether they're me or not What you're saying is you were a source To the media during your prosecution False, categorically false God, you are an asshole

You really are a jerk Continue It's how a human would respond That is so, yeah, no Oh, God, that is so funny So, in addition to The planting stories Accusation, there's also an accusation

That Roger pulled strings At Newsmax To keep Larry Clayman off Of being able to speak on Newsmax, and I think That it sounds a little conspiratorial The way that Clayman Is pitching this story

And then it deteriorates Again, complete derailment here Turn to the email dated June 1, 2019 Yes, 628 To Christopher Ruddy Yes

Clayman to PDF from Roger Stone Correct? Yes We're in your right to Ruddy Because he alleges I've interfered With his relationship with Newsmax I don't recall having ever Discussing this asshole With you or Clemente

He is clearly insane Yes Now, who's Clemente? Clemente is I don't think he's there anymore But he was their director of programming At one time He'd worked for Fox News, correct?

I believe that's correct You don't have any medical background To determine whether or not I'm insane One makes Allegations that I had interfered With you being interviewed with Newsmax On the basis of no evidence whatsoever Having never discussed with Ruddy

Or Cardillo Or Clemente, the only people I knew At Newsmax Yeah, that's pretty crazy You just pulled that out of thin air That's pretty crazy You made an allegation That I'm medically insane?

Insane is, I think, a colloquial expression But when someone Pulls facts out of the air for which they have No evidence whatsoever Which they're just guessing Because they're unhappy that they can't be interviewed When they want to I think that's pretty crazy

Newsmax bringing on someone Like Cassandra Fairbanks To call my client Corsi You would have to ask The people at Newsmax that They didn't make a need Recommendation or decision to have Ms. Fairbanks on the air

I have no impact on who Newsmax chooses Or does not choose to interview Cardillo sending out tweets In support of you and criticizing Cardillo has First Amendment rights Like every other American Claiming he's your great friend He is a good friend of mine

But I don't tell him what to tweet I don't tell him who to interview He has First Amendment rights You have nothing No, no, why old Proof, evidence Larry Proof Larry, evidence Not guessing on your part with nothing

You have nothing, this proves nothing That's what you told Mueller, right? You have nothing Real quick, you can hear it very lightly Roger said Fuck See, now that's where If I was Roger Stone's lawyer

I would be like That's what your clients argued at the trial I'm not going to discuss the criminal case If you want to keep insulting me This will be over If you want to keep insulting me I will just end this and go running back to the judge Did you just call me a bitch?

You're acting like one You're acting like one My friend, you got nothing You have a wild guess If you have some evidence that I communicated With Ruddy or Cardillo or Clemente Or Cassandra Fairbanks You got nothing

You're not going to get anything by interviewing me I haven't withheld it You have proof I was held to do that We'll look for it You can look for it all you fucking want You'll find nothing Ask a question I do like

Are you medically Professional enough to tell somebody that No, I'm not saying you're insane You're fucking crazy man You make an assessment I'm speaking in the vernacular The colloquial So

I'm not thrilled with You're acting like a bitch I don't think that's cool It's a little antiquated And a little inappropriate But Roger's not a great guy It's a misogynistic term I don't expect him to have

That kind of position On it I would say that Larry's is weirder His position on having that Said to him Because they take a little break and they come back And this is just fucking weird Mr. Stone, a few minutes ago

You called me a bitch I said you were acting like a bitch What's the point of that I'm not going to answer that I'm not going to answer the question Ask a serious question Ask a question You sit there and make attacks on me

And when I respond you don't like it I'm entitled to know what you meant by bitch Acting like a bitch You don't know Is that someone who's gay Stop It's not a slur of any kind Sparaging gay people

Most certainly is not Mr. Clayman, you're a lawyer sir Ask a serious question Ask a serious question He called me that Is that really what you think it means Ask your next question I'm not going to answer the question

So ask a serious question Regarding your lawsuit I'll answer it That's just You're a lawyer Well it's that pressure release At a certain point of like When is somebody going to say it

Yeah I know right So Earlier we heard Larry put forth this Idea that Roger was trying to plant these stories Of Corsi and Clayman working With Muller because

They make their money off conservative circles And that portrays them As the Judas Iscariot And that cripples their livelihood Now I kind of think That Larry's trying to do the same thing To Roger in this deposition You're aware that the judge

That sat on the Clavin Bundy prosecution Was one Gloria Navarro Yes I wasn't a fan of her You're aware that she was recommended To the bench to Barack Obama by Harry Reid I didn't know that specifically But I knew she was a Democrat You don't have a very high regard for Harry Reid do you

No nor do I have a high regard For this particular judge and the way That she treated the Bundy's You're aware that she denied me Prohibition entry But I don't know why You're aware that she denied him Speedy trial

You're aware that she threw him into solitary confinement That's why I wanted the president to pardon him You're aware that for two and a half years They were Incarcerated the Bundy's along with other defendants Yes I think it was outrageous That's why I wanted the president to relieve them Now do you find it

Inappropriate that the president Would intervene with regard to your sentencing In a criminal case but never take any action I'm not going to discuss that Not discussing that Not going to discuss that So that feels like an attempt by Larry To paint Roger as being not committed

To the right wing cause He would take a pardon personally from Trump For himself but he isn't outraged That Trump wouldn't pardon the Bundy's The first problem here is that there's no evidence That Roger wasn't mad about the Bundy's situation I would assume Yeah I would assume

Of course he was The second problem is that in July 2018 Trump did pardon Dwight and Stephen Hammond Ammon and Cliven Bundy Their cases ended in a mistrial So they're not even in jail So people surrounding this The Bundy's

The Bunkerville and then the Malhoor Wildlife Those standoffs like they're not in prison Yeah that's one of the I have no idea what Larry's talking about I can't believe Sure Larry Normally I wouldn't think too much about something like this

And I would just ignore it but so much of Larry's argument About Stone seems to be about how Roger was trying To use outlets like Infowars and Newsmax To smear him in Corsi because they make Their living off this conservative market And thus they're making them toxic to those outlets And it would hurt their reach It seems to me mostly because what

Larry's saying doesn't make much sense That this line of questioning feels like Him trying to do that same thing to Roger To paint him as a turncoat to the Bundy's noted heroes of the fringe Conservative world This deposition is so far off the rails Throughout that I don't really feel like it's too weird

To suggest that that might be the motive for that question Yeah I It feels totally plausible I mean the only other motive I can think of is just to Try and win an argument with Roger Stone because he's under oath And it's not going well for Larry

So We have a couple more clips left This one is pretty funny Larry asks Roger about A little news item that came out Back when he was running for Senate Do you remember when You were

As you put it, a political consultant Working on my Senate campaign Vaguely, it was quite a while ago You remember that There came a point in time When I was going through the Airport at Dulles with Cats

Yes I do And that I was detained at Dulles I recall that you were detained Because you made some joke about the cat Not having a bomb And you were my campaign Consultant at the time Yes

Right And you released that story Did you not to Jim DeFede DEFEDE of the Miami Herald After we stopped working with each other I most certainly did not Then Michael Caputo did that I have no knowledge of that whatsoever

And you have no evidence of it These are more of your picking things out of thin air Why would anybody make a statement A joke about a bomb while going through TSA A lack of judgment in all honesty A good question You haven't shown a lack of judgment With regard to your connection

Not compared to you Jesus At what point is Roger just going to be like Do you want your fucking computers back What do you want What do you fucking want It's uh, yeah Did you

I can't believe you would bring that up In a deficit So 16 years ago A joke about my cat not having a bomb When I was going through the TSA That story You leaked it to the press 16 years ago No I didn't

Well then your friend Michael Caputo did You don't have any proof of any of this This is so stupid It is very stupid This is a man holding a grudge for 30 years Seems like it So Larry wants to go back over A lot of stuff

Sure So he has a He can take your time Read these things in the affidavit And Roger's just not having any of it So this is how things end We have time to review the affidavit I'm not going to read your biography

I'm not going to read your biography I'm not going to read your biography And all of your asinine claims Because you're an egomaniac I'm just not going to do that If you have a specific question We'll go to the court about it I agree, let's go to the court about it

I want to do that Your reputation here is well known Well known I'm asking you You can take your time Go through a paragraph by crap I'm saying Tell me if anything is inaccurate

I'm not going to do that We went through this yesterday I didn't ask it though He likes to hear his biography It makes him feel important Certified Yes, please do I'd like to speak to the judge myself about this

Better do it quick Before you're disbarred Stop, stop Mr. Cain No further questions So that's so Yeah, there's so many yelling No further questions

Just end this There's so much Petty like Oh, we'll see in court I'll talk to the judge myself Oh, you will? I'll talk to the judge And grow up

Most of this defamation A lot of it, some of it Is stuff that Roger said On info wars Or on social media And then a good bit of it Is things that are being presented As things that Roger fed to the media

The stuff that Roger said Is stuff like Things that are very easily Just like that was my opinion This is protected speech Here's what I'm doing I'm saying you suck In different, more colorful ways

If you just want me to say you suck Then boil it down to you suck So there's another lawyer there Who asks Roger some questions Right here at the end There's another lawyer A competent one? Sure, after Clayman's done

He comes in and asks Roger About these other instances Like the Cassandra Fairbank story Newsmax, all that And look how easily this is handled I just have a few questions And I'll get us out of here So are you aware in the complaint

In Corsi versus Stone And Newsmax and Cardello The case that my client is involved in There are allegations regarding Cassandra Fairbank's appearance On Newsmax television on January 30, 2019 Are you aware of that? I am

Okay, were you aware In advance of January 30, 2019 That Cassandra Fairbanks was going to Appear on Newsmax on that day? I was not Did you discuss the possible Appearance of Cassandra Fairbanks On Newsmax with anybody at Newsmax?

I did not At around that time? I did not Christopher Ruddy? I did not John Bachman? I did not Did you discuss with anybody at Newsmax

At or about that time Presenting anything negative about Jerome Corsi? I did not Did you encourage anyone at Newsmax To present Jerome Corsi in a negative light? I did not Did you ask anybody else To contact Newsmax on your behalf

To encourage them to present Jerome Corsi in a negative light? I did not I have nothing to say Okay Let the record reflect that this witness Has been convicted of five counts You defamed me

Let the record show that this man's Bar license is under attack in New York For his serial misconduct I have no further questions Very professional Yeah He just got to get on He just got to get it in there

Larry, I think all that he was Aiming to achieve Would have been achieved in a minute Absolutely That other lawyer Absolutely Larry, I think all that he was aiming To achieve

Would have been achieved in a minute Absolutely That other lawyer Absolutely No That deposition should have lasted At most ten minutes Because if those

Like those questions That are being asked to Roger Which he's answering directly If you have evidence That he's lying Boom You've got him in a lie There

You can present your evidence I do have proof That you did speak To Cassandra Branks And told her to write this article You don't need to bring up Her potential nude pictures Or her sleeping with Julian Assange

Who gives a shit Here we have an email Saying that you talked to Cassandra Branks Do you remember sending this email? That's a good follow-up question Not a good follow-up question Did you know that Cassandra Branks Has nudie photos on the internet?

In this deposition You do not need to work out motive For like, you hated me Because of the 2004 Senate run You don't need to demonstrate that It's useless to the case How does it take

Six hours when a good lawyer is like What, we got nothing in about five minutes One minute Insane One minute That's one minute One minute Insane

I think part of it is Because Roger likes to fight Also, what kind of bullshit law Did he learn that's just on TV law? That's what somebody says When they're like, let the record show This dude's a sovereign citizen type Of like, let the record show

That he's convicted of fighting Everybody already knows, man The record does show Whatever he's been convicted of You've referenced it 40 times Did we just start recording? Man, I don't know It's interesting to me

On this occasion of Roger Being sentenced It is nice to let To know that he had a last hurrah Yeah, it is nice It's fun to like That's a wreck fuck one more time Before he rides off into the sunset

And I think that what this does Is it I think Roger and Clayman And Clayman are both bad Like they're both bad actors I don't particularly care to scale them Or anything But it really does demonstrate

The difference between having it and not Like Roger has it I was just about to say Through this whole deposition It's like, this is how he gets So many people Everybody knows he's going to stab you in the back But he's charismatic and he's funny

He can throw some zingers out And if you feel like he's on your team Yeah, we can take down anybody And then you get stabbed in the back The siren song of his Like rapier wit And sort of cruelness Like the funny meanness

Yeah, I could see it being very easily To get sucked into thinking That like this will never go wrong Yeah, of course I got him on my team Have you seen what good he can do For people on his team And they just

But I mean it's also because You know, you're as dumb as Larry Klayman I guess, so I don't say that He might sue So we'll be back on Monday With another episode But until then, we have a website

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