Knowledge Fight - #43: May 17, 2017

Episode Date: May 19, 2017

Today Dan tells Jordan about a weird interview with Jerome Corsi on The Alex Jones Show. Topics include: How far off the rails can propaganda campaigns go? Does Jordan think that Alex is an unaware propagandist? Does Jerome Corsi know how to pronounce meme? Are dicks shrinking in the West?

Andy and Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan. I'm Jordan and a happy Friday to you and yours. This is a podcast where we're a couple dudes like sit down No, cut it cut it. I do I wished everyone a happy Friday Lost Don't know Have you ever wished anybody a happy Friday before this is a very weird feeling for me? Never. I don't know why I did Anyway, happy Friday. Happy Friday to you, too

We like to sit down and drink red wine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones and what he is up to that is Our state admission it is now in order to make it entertaining so people don't just get bored by You know Alex Jones talk, which is boring. Uh, is there like is there like a reason that it's you and me? Yeah, they see I'm an expert in Alex Jones. Oh, that's crazy because I don't know anything about Alex Jones There is what makes this dynamic work. Also, it's a happy Friday Let's let's just jump to our out-of-context drop This one is coming to us from deep in the past in 2015. I found this clip and it's hilarious They just add it to the plastic linings and it's bye-bye genitalia

Yeah, mailed genitalia across the board or shrinking in the West doesn't matter what color you are It's a matter what genetic background the sperm counts are down almost 90% the genitals are shrinking That's right across the board Shrinking You know what you got to do Super male vitality the only way to counteract these estrogen mimickers that they put in Oh, that's what happens. Yep. So that was in plastics. That's that's where it comes from So I've mentioned that I'm going back and doing an in-depth

Investigation and research into Alex's past. Yes, and sometimes episodes will not end up meriting an entire episode of our show But something like that gets said Yeah, that's got to happen. We've got to tell the people dicks are shrinking. Yeah, everybody needs to know this Yeah I don't know who's where's he getting that info from I don't know dick doctors dick doctors Anyway, speaking of info it is we got a doctor's private eye dick. Dic doctor private dick. Oh easy Yeah, so we got to start this show off with a slight correction on our last episode We talked about Alex claiming that there were monkeys

With wires in their head getting brainwashed with televisions and we mistook it for the screaming monkey Well, we a wonderful bar We made fun of the idea that he's saying that there is all this stuff going on in Bastrop, Texas And I'll cop to it. I did not research as in depth as I probably should have on this topic I googled Bastrop monkey tests or monkey trials and that that sort of thing with monkey in the title and everything that came up Was nothing or this bar a listener pointed out that there is Animal testing that has gone on in Bastrop through the University of Texas

And I've looked into it a bit and it is it is a real thing. There were chimpanzees And other monkeys that they had tests done on their eggs, right, but still Still we're slightly wrong, but I looked into it I can see no evidence of the sort of shit. He's talking about okay, but we were wrong to clown on it Like we did because there was actual animal testing. Oh, there we go So it's sort of a middle middle of the road. I assume it was all about makeup. Uh, no, there It's complicated. There was like vaccine research and stuff like that. That's a problem solved evil The reality no vaccines cause monkey autism

It's true. It's just a true fact the the reality too though Is that our country has a really bad track record with animal testing and so the idea that something fucked up was going on there? Isn't unbelievable, but what Alex is describing is yes, so it's like hey, we were wrong We shouldn't have clowned maybe we should have clowned it was fun I should have clowned at least a little bit. Yeah, but at the end of the day, you know there's a little bit of truth underneath his lies and We can all agree that based on the fact that there was monkey research being done there The name of that tiki bar is really shitty. Yeah

So we we hypothesized that it was We hypothesized that it was an area 51 possible thing with a joke bar name It turns out that is the case. Anyway, sorry. We didn't dig deeper Who cares? That's that's not a great apology, but it's this isn't really I ran over your foot. This isn't really an apology. It's a clarification more than you had diabetes You were gonna lose that foot anyways, right? So why not have me take it? So I want to get to today or episode that we're gonna be talking about is something that happened on the Wednesday show

Which is May 17th? There was a continuation of the rest of the week which up till that point had been mostly Brodown time between Roger Stone and Alex Jones and then once Roger Stone left Mike Cernovich sort of filled in Over Skype a bunch and they just sort of like we're awesome Okay, we're great. Hey, I described that on the last show You know how that was sort of the theme of the week, right and that continued into Wednesday But then in the like towards the third hour of the show something really really fucked up happened that will be What we talk about for this episode, okay?

But because you asked me before the show and I did tweet out about this a bit I want to cover what he was doing on Thursday today as we record this on Thursday Alex Jones spent the entire show You know all pretty much the entire show just talking about how Comey is busted Jim Comey Dead to rights Busted for for what so as he would say as Alex would tell it Comey wrote this memo that has been leaked where people have discussed this memo or that President Trump

Hard to get those words out. Yeah, let's just not worry about those Trump had asked him or suggested that he should move on from the Flynn investigation. Yes, and Obstruction of justice Comey wrote a memo about that and then later he was in front of the Senate And he was him being questioned and they asked him a question and in his answer He said that you know people had not asked him to stop his investigation He hadn't been pressured, right now. Here's the important thing if that was all the information Alex would have an interesting thing to go on here. Yeah, I would it would be it would be kind of a Misleading for him to say I wasn't pressured which well and then now talk about that memo. So that kind of invalidates the memos

negative connotations or it's authenticity There's a lot of things right get called into question, right or did he perjure himself when he was right being invested because if The most rational explanation if the reality isn't what I'm about to explain to you if Alex's narrative is true The most rational explanation be like when he's in front of the Senate He is in the middle of a obstruction of justice case that he's building right and so he can't comment on it So he would say he would have to answer with I can't comment on that blah blah blah, but since he says no one Has tried to stop the investigation, right? It's like oh, that's an indication that no one has yeah now Unfortunately, Alex is using this clip that I'm about to play as his evidence

That comey is busted alright, and I'd like to remind everyone he played this probably 15 to 20 times on the show on Thursday and Screamed you're dead comey. We gotcha. We got you. Did he once say or perhaps knock on the table? and then say You bust it he didn't oh god, then if we would have confirmation. He was listening to our show Go me you bust it. Yeah, come on. How great would that if he does that at any point? I will I will like at work run around in a circle screen but he does shuffle papers around as he's known to do but here is the clip and it is from his testimony in front of the Senate and

Maybe You'll immediately be able to tell why Alex is a fucking liar, and he knows it So if the attorney general or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation Can they halt that FBI investigation? In theory yes Has it happened? Not in my experience because it would be a big deal To tell the FBI to stop doing something that without a appropriate purpose

I mean we're oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there And so you ought to stop investing resources in it But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason that would be a very big deal And it was So he says there and it has not happened in my experience now Let's go back to the beginning really quick and listen to the question that she asks him So if the attorney general or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation Can they halt that FBI investigation?

The Attorney General or people at the Department of Justice not the president exactly She was specifically asking about sessions. Yes being a dick. Yeah exactly. She was like hey Sessions being a dick to you. So now here's the thing that question. He didn't lie He answered as it relates to the Department of Justice, right? That has nothing to do with what Trump may or may not have done. Nope Alex knows that He's playing this clip Knowing that people are not going to understand what the question Comey was asked is he's a bad propagandist. He should have cut that out He should have cut out the question. He could have cut out the question couldn't he? What the fuck is he doing?

It's so obvious. He's lying It's insane. It's such a desperation move. How can you be this bad at the only thing you're good at? I think it's because he's been lucky. Yeah He's he's been lucky in a bunch of really dumb people and bigots have basically created his bedrock. Yeah his base Yeah, and he's much as they have for Trump. He's never really had to work all that hard So I think that's pretty much what's going on. So anyway that I Excuse me

Who is it? You're busting it. I don't know. I was gonna try and come up with a way to pretend that I was the Senate I don't know We're doomed from the jump on that one, but I'm telling you we got to take at least one second city class Let's try it again. All right. Let's work on our improv improv skills Who is it? This is Alex Jones Alex, how are you? No, see I was hoping you would be Alex Jones because then he could have busted himself Wait

So I was from the top so I was supposed to be like Alex Jones. Hey, it's me Alex Jones And then as soon as you say that two second beat and then we both say you're busted. There we go. Let's try it from the top Who is it? This is Alex Jones. Oh my god, Alex Jones. I'm Alex Jones You busted I Couldn't take that serious. All right. Let's wait what we're doing three takes of things now. Yeah, apparently So let's move along and get to the matters of the day. Yes

So on Wednesday, he had like I said bro downtime Owen Shroyer was in the studio to be a fucking Smarmy asshole. Hey, love white dudes. Just being white dudes Themselves should be in white dudes. Yeah. Oh my god the dynamic between Cernovich and Owen Shroyer is electric Why isn't there any I want there to be some sexual tension between PJW and somebody I don't care I don't know friend man. He's a he's a faithful dude. Yeah, but come on. Oh and Troyer needs some love I think that either that well Rob do's wife probably needs a needs a good Paul Joseph Watson in She's gonna tell him to stop taking super mail. We know that so on Wednesday after all that gets done Jerome Corsi

Has big news. Yes big news the Washington bureau chief Jerome Corsi has something he really needs to drop into Alex's lap and Before he does Alex makes a weird comparison Where he basically says the Trump is a baby Yeah, I mean at this point This is so real and so sickening and so painful that I don't have any personal ties to Trump Ten times or whatever It's just I know he's real he cares about the country. He's surrounded by scum

It's like watching a baby getting eaten by a hundred rats or something and because we won't empower the president He's like a baby He can't move because he can't do it all himself and the rats there are like eating him It's not like a lion being eaten by hyenas. It's worse. It's a baby the rebirth of America being eaten by these little red-eyed rats and He's just surrounded we need a battle plan. So Dr. Corsi was texting me this morning So we got to get a battle plan. We got to get on the offensive and I was like, yeah battle plan battle plan So he's writing articles about this. This is just so crazy So yeah, Jerome Corsi's got a battle plan. All right to protect baby Trump to protect baby Trump from the red-eyed rats

I'm way happier with this than any other Moniker for Trump baby Trump baby Trump. He's baby boss. He's baby Trump. He's the baby boss. He's the baby boss that movie Also bombed and became president. It became a goof. Yeah, so I'm gonna just go ahead and lay out in front of you. What we're dealing with Okay, Jerome Corsi comes on to info wars and Basically describes what info wars does Right now I'm guessing he does not say here is what we do at info wars He says here's what the globalists are doing to Trump and

basically piece by piece describes the info wars modus operandi Now on top of that They know their own they know their own jobs at least we're aware of that but here's where it gets scary His battle plan is essentially wage a propaganda campaign Against these globalists who are using propaganda against us. So what happened is they're a propaganda machine Right, and they're fighting against a counter propaganda machine

Mm-hmm, so we're starting a counter counter propaganda machine, right? But the thing that's scary about it is We know damn well, that's what they're already doing The idea that they're bringing it out into the open Suggest something really nefarious Okay, so so they're already doing it But now they're doing the gambit of telling you what we're doing no order to allow you in order to allow them to ramp it up I think that they're banking on most people who don't like them not hearing this and

People who do like them hearing it and then they're in on it now Right, so it's like a wink. It's like oh we can get more people on our side if we're just like You know we're up front about like all right now what we need to do is force a narrative Okay, that sort of thing so now it's not now. We're talking. We're recruiting the info warriors Yes to be part of our propaganda campaign. Yes, we're not just going to be a propaganda campaign Keeping them believing this bullshit. Yeah now they're part of like they're actively going to spread this bullshit It leads me to believe the audience engagement is down. Yeah, yeah That's the sort of thing that I'm guessing but also this was fucking hilarious later in the show

I didn't clip this out because it doesn't matter But Alex was on the phone with the caller and the caller who's maybe a minute into the call and he's like boy You've got some good points. I'm gonna give you your own show I Hope he follows By the way, we're still waiting for that fucking Daffy duck that rapper who called in who Alex offered to give a like we're gonna do a we're gonna do a patreon Still waiting on that one. Oh man Daffy duck

I'm starting to think he doesn't follow through with his promises seems like he doesn't he's not a big fan of that No, did we know if if anybody ever won that animation contest from 2014? Yeah, no idea I want to find that out I could neither confirm nor deny if the animating contest of liberty has been one to all of the policy wonks We would like an animation no Of the animation contest and who may or may not have won it so everybody who out there is doing so much already I really appreciate all of them. Please don't Make an animation contest. So here we go

Let's get into it Jerome Corsi is going to lay out some of this and we'll get to where I I think we'll get to my thesis as this develops. Okay, it's our DC head and when a daughter Corsi What do we do to turn this time? It's clear more than ever. They are making their run at the president right now Well, and Alex what I'm doing is that the first article is today. I mean I this is something I've been specially trained in those whole Issue of disinformation and propaganda. I actually was trained by Edward Bernays Who is the father of public relations? and he wrote the book called propaganda in the 1930s that was Responsible for the

Garibalds propaganda and the rise of Nazi Hitler and so, you know, Nazi Germany and what I'm saying is I'm laying out What the techniques that work and don't work when you're under a Propaganda technique, you know, who's a great guy the guy who trained Garibalds, he didn't train Garibalds or whatever. He didn't train Garibalds. He Garibalds was very specifically and vocally Inspired by the work of Edward Bernays. Now. Do you know about Edward Bernays? I do not know about Edward Bernays. So he his uncle was Sigmund Freud, but seriously. Oh, why? Why are there so fucked up they're calling themselves a news organization, right?

They're saying that everybody else is planning fake news and course. He just said we're going to spread disinformation I was trained literally fake news. I was trained by Edward Bernays. I Know about these things. I'm trained in this. This is him trying to say like hey Alex calm down I got this let your boy ride that kind of thing also another theme that's going to develop is Alex doesn't understand what Jerome course He's talking about and Secondarily, he's not there to have that conversation. You'll you'll get the sense that Alex does not want to be there at all He's dismissive as if he had a super male vitality laced hamburger in his hand. Okay I was just whatever just waving it off. So I want to tell you a little bit about Edward Bernays before we move on

All right His uncle was Sigmund Freud but something that I found and I can't confirm this But one of the citations I found said that his double uncle was No, don't say don't say double uncle. So that would be like I don't know what that means so that'd be like if you have an uncle and One of your aunts their husband dies and he marries your aunt. So then he's a double uncle. That's a double uncle Yeah, I believe that's what both an uncle and an uncle-in-law, right? So he his uncle was Sigmund Freud and he really his double uncle Sigmund Freud as best

I can tell really overplayed their relationship. I Listened to an interview with Edward Bernays his daughter the other day in preparation for this and she said that he had no contact with Sigmund Freud After he went back to Vienna After Freud went back, you know, okay, okay So it's dubious how much of that was actually in itself a PR campaign But be that as it may he was he was clearly inspired by the works of Freud. He if you're a propaganda master How can you believe anything you say totally?

No, there's no part of what you say that I can ever trust if you spread propaganda Also, his daughter was saying that like throughout her whole life He specifically made her feel stupid and always would say that she was stupid Which kind of fits into his worldview? Edward Bernays believed his kind of his whole thing was that people as a whole are really stupid And they live like pack animals and they're just herds that need to be ushered in different directions And there's agreeing with him so far There's a select group of really intelligent people who are the real power in the world who influence them for their own good

Globalist. No, basically. Oh for the people's own good. Yeah, so he's he's arguing for a Benevolent oligarchy somewhat. Yeah somewhat But it but it's not really even an oligarchy because it is people like him who are advertisers And and taste makers and stuff like that. So his technique is that he would Nazi makers. Well, yeah, that's That's a problem. We're gonna get to the other problem is That I've read propaganda. I've read his book and he's decidedly pro propaganda He's not against it. Well, and he wasn't throughout his life

He felt a little bit bad Great. Yeah, no a little bit bad. Oh, I didn't realize that this could be a tool used for evil he did In a lot of his public statements seem oblivious of the idea that like, oh, yeah People are gonna do bad shit with this because he basically codified and created the art of public relations and advertising But what he would do is he His main contribution because I never studied this in college or anything but I've read some books on him and read his own books and

His thing is he would take people's wants and try and transform them into needs and how you would do that is by Uh, over glamorizing something like attaching celebrities to a product, right? That sort of thing he pioneered that sort of thing Right and then on top of that he turned politics into a little bit of that kind of shell game too Because he'd have celebrities hang out with politicians. It would make it appear that there was this entwined elite class Yeah, what have you? Uh, but he what he's most famous for is getting women to smoke

Now, you know anything about this? Um, was this the one where it was like, uh, A ton of like it was medicinal. You should do it while you're pregnant. Nope You should do it while you're vacuuming. Was it that one? It's not so he started working for the american tobacco company Uh, and bernay's was given the objective of increasing lucky strike sales among women Who for the most part had formally avoided smoking? The first strategy was to persuade women to smoke cigarettes instead of eating bernay's began by promoting the ideal of thinness itself using photographers artists newspapers and magazines to promote the special beauty of thin women Medical authorities were found to promote the choice of cigarettes over sweets

Homemakers were cautioned that keeping cigarettes on hand was a social necessity That I mean When you're serving your husband, sure Who smokes sure you want to make sure that you've got a few packs of lucky strikes on you at any point in time Lucky strike means fine tobacco. Yeah. Anyway, that's kind of shitty. Uh, but again, it is this unevolved 1920s so like it You you want to attack it from a modern evolved

Uh viewpoint, but back then it was just sort of like Is the wild west everybody was just trying to make a buck off of the deaths of millions It's still shockingly horrible though. Like that was okay. Here's my first plan thinness So that here's my first plan ruin women's lives. So apparently here's my second plan make sure they die Uh That worked a bit But then there was still a taboo about women's smoking in public So he had to create a whole new thing in order to make it okay for women to smoke in public

So he got some actresses, uh, and he had them join the 1929 easter day parade And what he did is he told a bunch of reporters and news people there that suffragettes Were going to start smoking Freedom torches as a symbol of their empowerment And so these reporters all saw these paid plants in the parade start smoking walking through the parade And it became this coupling of women's empowerment with smoking and all of a sudden It was it was cool for women to smoke and it was okay for them to do it in public It worked amazingly. He's an evil genius. He totally is

He's an evil genius. So this created a new problem though Oh, oh just one beyond just just one problem. There's only one problem created by this There was an interesting problem though and that is that lucky strike Their packaging was green and red and green was a very unfashionable color So women didn't want to smoke lucky strikes. They smoked other brands Because green packaging would clash with their attire and they just they just didn't want to do it So now bernay's had to figure out what to do about this So what he did was he threw this thing called the green ball

Where he enlisted tons of socialites and had them all wear green dresses Manufacturers and retails of clothing and accessories were advised of the excitement growing around the color green Intellectuals were enlisted to give highbrow talks on the theme of green before the ball had actually taken place Newspapers and magazines encouraged in various ways by bernay's office Had latched on to the idea that green was all the rage and all of a sudden everything was okay People started buying lucky strikes. Women were smoking in public. Everything was great. He's so so now I'm completely on his side. Everybody's dumb. They're pack animals fucking This is awful. This is anything real. No, but this is gonna be a real

This is gonna be a harsh roller coaster. Why do I do any of the things I do? I question I question all of my What is what am I doing here? Why am I wearing clothes dan? I don't know. Is it because i'm a pack animal? It's probably because bernay's did like 60 years ago You know, who's really fighting the good fight against propaganda the unabomber Yeah, well some truth to that So that was kind of like a fascinating competent story of edward bernay's. Yes, unfortunately as we mentioned

He also inspired gerbils And the nazi propaganda campaign was a huge part of it being able to succeed Because without the propaganda There's a real good chance that it certainly wouldn't have gotten as bad as it did right the power wouldn't have taken Really smart to uh make it make tons of pro nazi movies and all of that shit right there Like that is a brilliant a brilliant idea to do that and then he had a shit ton of critics. I'm sure Uh give them very positive reviews. So that would influence people to think it's a great movie Taste makers. Yeah. Yeah, and then I'm sure he uh at the very least

Uh beat a woman to death to make sure she started smoking. So that's what gerbils did, right? I don't know. Um, so here here's Something that's a little bit more direct About bernay's because it's it's hard to blame him for the holocaust Because people were just inspired by him. There's there's did it Oh that oh In 1940 the united fruit company hired bernay's to Try and get bananas to be popular in america because they weren't they were seen as like a really weird exotic fruit

Right. So he tried things they are much more popular now since everybody's dick is shrinking So we got a really we got to make it a lot better for us. Yeah, absolutely. That is a hundred percent. What's going on? That's a hundred percent. So uh, he tried a bunch of his normal tricks Like, uh placing bananas in prominent places and ads and in public and stuff like that holding the banana ball He tried to get celebrities to get on board. Yeah, a yellow ball Uh, he didn't do a yellow ball, but uh, well it would clash with the green It wasn't quite working. There was some progress being made making them cool, but it wasn't what they needed So bernay's also argued that united fruit needed to put a positive spin on the banana growing countries themselves

And for this purpose he created a front group called the middle american information bureau Which supplied information to journalists and academics the maith He had no expertise in middle america. He had no reason to do this That's pretty fucked up In 1948 getting paid upwards of a hundred thousand dollars a year bernay's worked on the national press And successfully drummed up coverage of guatemala's communist menace He argued that everyone needed to act to protect business interests in latin america Because at the time guatemala was he's the reason that guatemala became a banana republic. Oh, yeah

But he's the reason totally that guatemala became a banana republic Let me get through the story because our listeners probably don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's incredibly direct He did it. Yeah. Yeah, so this is a 1920s bernay's. This is post holocaust bernay's Causing a holocaust totally. Yeah, so in uh, so Per per bernay's strategy united fruit distributed favorable articles and an anonymous report on guatemala to every member of congress and to national opinion molders They also published a weekly guatemala newsletter and sent it to 250 journalists Some of whom used it as a source for their reporting in june 1954 the u.s. Central intelligence agency affected a coup d'etat

Named operation pb success the cia backed a minimal military force fronted by carlos castillo armaz with the psychological warfare campaign to portray military defeat as a foregone conclusion iraq iraq iraq the entire iraq the entire iraq The entire iraq the entire iraq. I know the entire iraq. I get it the entire lead up to it too bernay's was heavily involved with these publications and helping out with disseminating stuff to journalists He gave people tours of guatemala politicians and journalists alike And all that in the ramp up to this he was heavily involved and this is to fucking sell

Get this and he was getting paid a hundred thousand dollars a year just a ton of money back then So as soon as castillo armaz took power he began to jail his opponents killing many historians estimate the number of agricultural workers he killed to be in the thousands just immediately thousands All political parties unions and peasant organizations were outlawed He outlawed voting by illiterate people which made up two-thirds of guatemala's population And then he annulled the constitution and wrote a new one. There were tons of attempted coups Until they all failed, but then he was assassinated in 1957 Elections were held following castillo armaz death in which the centrist or t's passarella

Passarelli won a plurality. However supporters of miguel degorius Fuentes who had been a candidate in the election rioted after which the army seized power and annulled the result And another election was held degorius fuentes won this election by a comfortable margin and soon afterward a guest soon a guest soon afterward Who would have guessed that he would have won an election after the army invalidated the previous one Totally because they didn't like the guy who won crazy that the guy that they liked That what he won soon afterward he declared a state of siege and seized power uh

Historian nick colother has stated that by overthrowing arbenes the former leader of guatemala The cia ended up undermining its own initial goal of a stable guatemalan government Historian steven streeter has stated that while the u.s Achieved certain strategic goals by installing the malleable castillo armaz as president It did so at the cost of guatemala's democratic institutions Now here i'm guessing you see i learned their lesson. Nope and never did that again Here is the worst uh sentence of this whole thing The rolling back of the progressive policies and the previous civilian governments resulted in a series of leftist insurgencies in the countryside beginning in 1960

This triggered a 36 year guatemalan civil war between the us backed military government Uh of guatemala and the leftist insurgencies that frequently had a large degree of popular support The civil war ran from 1960 to 1996 costing the lives of 200 000 civilians During the civil war though atrocities against civilians were committed by both sides 93 of these violations were committed by the united states backed military Including a genocidal scorched earth campaign against the indigenous maya population in the 80s. Hey, you know, it's great Uh We're the good guys totally. We're the good guys. We're promoting democracy around the world. That's that's what america does

I hate it whenever people market prosperity. I hate it whenever people, uh, you know, uh, say the dictators are fucking God damn it. We're so evil. I know it's dark. We're so evil It's dark. But uh, the reason I went into all that detail and wanted to explain the literal 35 what is it 36 gear aftermath of this is it was part of a propaganda campaign Put on for bananas for bananas for bananas orchestrated by edward bernay's that caused this kind of massive fallout Now at the same time we can't re-litigate history and know what would have happened if they hadn't done this But it definitely wouldn't have been this

No, there was there was Trouble in guatemala before but it wasn't nearly this severe They had institutions in place. I can't think of any other situation where that it has uh has occurred like i'm sure that most of the middle east has Stayed very popular uh with without our interference. I'm sure that we've never overthrown The iranian government and installed the fucking ayatollahs and took a liberal society and turned it into a religious theocracy I'm sure we've never demolished a government and caused another civil war that's been raging on for

What 20 years now forever now? I'm sure we've never created terrorist fucking groups that are causing all kinds of shit around the world I would hate it if america did that shit Get this yeah in 1973 edward bernay's was hired uh to Try and make kumquats popular This is what happened in iran. I feel like he's not gonna be able to i'm just making that one I don't know if you picked the funniest of the fruits I don't know if kumquats are indigenous to iran, but be that as it may why not my point is that his his tricks

That he uses are generally for nefarious reasons. They're used uh to bad goals Propagandistically right so he's a psychopath and even himself he makes the argument that like oh, yeah, what I do is ethically neutral What his one of his most famous arguments about it was that there was I can't remember her name, but there was this famous woman In the 50s who cut her hair really short and then it became popular for women to have really short hair So his example was does it make a difference if I? Influenced her to do that or if she did it on her own the end result is that women get short hair

Whatever who cares if it was propaganda or not? Which is right so his argument is that propaganda is just a controlled fan Mm-hmm, right that kills 200,000 civilians in 36 years in Guatemala. Yeah, but This is true every year hundreds of thousands of women die because their hair is too short Did you not know that I didn't know that short hair interesting Causes heart disease So the other thing that he says that makes uh this propaganda ethically neutral Is that in his conception of the world?

There's all these people who are being influenced and then what the world would turn into in this essentially utopian state is Good propaganda forces doing battle with evil propaganda forces. Yes, that is the utopian state right where he's just like Yeah, so everyone would just sort of mindlessly go about their lives And then these two competing forces of liars would try and get them to do things like oh great I'm really glad that that Man, he is so right In the most evil of ways like that is kind of what we're living in right now

He isn't a competing propaganda campaigns totally but he isn't he is an incredibly smart dude But his version of how things should be it's not a win. No no So that's the guy who trained jerome coursey Sweet I have no evidence of that like I can't find any degrees or anything that would match up But he did get into teaching later in his life and based on how old is coursey coursey is like 70 So their timeline does match that does that does make it. I believe Edward Bernays died in 1995 or something like right All right one year before the end of the civil war. He caused yeah Sweet he was like 103 too. Like he was he made it. Well. Yeah, he sucked to the blood of every Guatemalan child that died

right He's that I'm not gonna say that that sounds to alex jonesy and I feel very influenced by that Except he he killed hundreds of thousands of people. He's directly responsible for a lot of really fucked up stuff Uh, but he also and he's indirectly responsible for the most fucked up stuff. Yeah he's a really interesting dude though if you look into him because It's it's hard to it's hard to say if he understood the power he was messing with you know what I mean like right It's difficult to know if he had any conception of The techniques that he was laying out

Uh, like how much damage they would do to the world right if you just consider advertising and how much influence he's had on People feeling like they need to buy things. They don't need mcdonald's is everywhere And it's also, you know, a lot of this stuff is kind of inevitable Someone would have figured this out eventually if he hadn't yeah, but we live in our timeline and he did it so fuck him Yeah, but no well the Oppenheimer was so wrong When he said I am become death destroyer of worlds Fucking bernays is single-handedly responsible for more deaths than the nuclear bomb

Yeah, probably probably between cancer and uh and all the coups. Yeah. Yeah. This is all this is all his fault Mm-hmm fact that i'm smoking a cigarette right now probably his fault because I saw Pictures of cool women smoking when I was younger and it's like I want to be cool like them Yeah, well, I was a big fan of castle blanca. So frankly, I don't give a damn Is that the right movie? That's gone with the wind About there is there is smoking in that too. Let's just call it. Let's just call it. You're good. That's a push

Yeah, um, we'll call that one even let's get back to Jerome Corsi He's gonna lay out what his plan that he wants to suggest for trump is there's been studied There's rules and if trump follows these rules he's gonna win Now the first rule and what I wrote up today Is that the idea is you create a false narrative a mem and this mem is russian collusion You just keep propping that lie up And yes, and and there's no evidence for it. Okay. We've had uh, repeated statements from

Uh, uh senator feinstein He goes on to like name more senators that have said varying degrees of There's no unclassified information that shows collusion. That means there's no information that shows collusion They mischaracterized all these statements, but at the same time Just going back to the analysis of they're just saying what they do Uh, they're saying that yeah, you create you create a false narrative. You create a false reality or a mem Which is a meme, uh, but he's an old man. We'll give him a pass. Uh, it's a mem

Ball inforce all they do is they have created this false narrative that has no evidence backing it up Yep, the entire idea of globalists are behind everything. They're trying to poison you Uh, I I've talked to doctors and done some research into this even the fluoride idea and it's It's murky at best. Yeah the idea that fluoride does really terrible things to you Um, so just vaccines just vaccines sure their propaganda campaign has also killed people sure But be that as it may They're they're saying that this russian thing is a false reality that has been created and they prop it up with lies And and the lack of truth lack of proof

That is info wars entire game plan Every single thing that we can come up with that they talk about george soros is a nazi collaborator Uh, any of the things any of the things they say is pieces of their false reality, right? So this is externalization This is projection This is insane so So you can like course. He doesn't know that they're already doing this. Do you really think he doesn't know? No, he absolutely knows like what would like here's how bad it is

What would their new false reality be? We'll get to that But like uh, he he does know for sure. He knows yeah, and I think the coursey is a little bit smarter than alex He's seen a lot more he's Personally torpedoed people with propaganda campaigns. Oh god. Uh, so he knows he knows and I think he sees How serious the reality of the russian situation is right? I think he sees. Oh, shit. They're convening grand juries Oh, shit. This special prosecutor Is an ally of comies right they had a great relationship in the fbi the idea that he's not going to

Be fair about the evidence is is absurd Uh, I think he knows and he's like we got to pull out big guns And if that means that we have to kind of give up the game a little bit about what we're doing We have to take that risk and hope that people who Do a podcast about us don't notice I think that that is what's going on. This is Fucking desperation measures. They're trying to start a civil war Um, no, that's that's the end game of that. That's the end game of that propaganda campaign

There's no other way that that propaganda campaign goes. We'll get to it because he does actually spell it out and all It's dumb. Yeah, but that's not a thing just like bernay's All he wanted was to sell bananas and he caused a 30 year civil war. Yeah All this guy wants is to support trump and all trump wants is tax cuts for the rich That's not all trump wants. Well trump wants, uh, uh, what else does trump want? Himo himself to be more rich and more famous. He wants to be the king fine. Paul ryan is Paul ryan exists, but they don't support only to create tax cuts and fours doesn't support paul ryan Hey, yeah, they do. No, they don't they're an arm of the they're an arm of the right wing propaganda

No, no, no, no, no, and that is actually an important thing that we need to clarify. I mean inadvertently, right just in in They're coincidentally that right now Yes, but this is actually something we've gotten a little bit off base about and I want to clarify Okay, like just because the world is so fucked up now and we're in an endless news cycle It kind of gets to a point where we talk a lot about trump and we talk a lot about paul ryan being an asshole And we could talk about chafetz, uh, uh resigning today Yeah, all this shit we could and we should uh in some fashion or another But at the end of the day this podcast is about info wars and alex jones, right?

and They're not really republicans They hate paul ryan because he takes money from george soros and they think he's a globalist alex jones to his credit hated george bush too so like He has a not consistent, but at least he has a philosophy where he's not strictly a republican he is Other and that's the problem that I want to address more. I need this podcast to be about Look if trump gets fucking impeached

We still have the problem on our hands that we have right now And that is that alex jones and info wars is a media arm of a really dangerous movement Now they can call it patriots. They can call it. We just want to bring back our country right or whatever proud boys Sure. That's not what they're doing. That's code There is really dangerous bigoted nationalism that's going all over the world It's all over the place. Yeah, and we can see it We can see it through the forages of the world. We can see it through le pen and see it in putin We can see it in trump and what his his weird tendrils here

The the the rebel media the info wars and that's who we're against We're not against the republicans even though we actually are also We are also against the republic, but this podcast is about that movement. Yes, that's really what we're worried about Trump gets impeached great Our problem isn't over. We're not done. Well, they're still going to put together their propaganda campaign for This white nationalism and if you get rid of trump, see this is why i'm saying There's no other end game to their propaganda campaign than a full on civil war because if they get rid of trump Or if we get rid of trump

Hopefully then what's their their reaction can only be This is a coup. There can be no other conclusion that you can drop. They have they have really written themselves into a corner Yeah, that's what it has to be and alex is uh on the show basically getting to the point where he's saying directly if trump goes We have almost run out of nonviolent solutions And so he is gearing up for that But let's deal with that another time when it's the the main course in front of us when we're uh unable to record this podcast Because we're too busy fighting a civil war right for now

That's not what course he's on. That's not the tip. He's on yet. Okay, uh, so let's deal with him by his words So he goes on in this next clip to explain propaganda campaigns and the nature of them and how uh, you've got to deal with them Sure, there's no evidence. I mean we've got that no evidence We got that from chef all of them Yeah, and you know what but that doesn't defeat the mem because you see Shift then says well Uh, it's not a there's Circumstantial evidence and we may have not discovered it yet, but we're going to find it

So a mem a lie a propaganda disinformation campaign Is not defeated by information or the truth That is a very important point and it also relates back to info wars. Yep propaganda campaigns aren't affected by truth And that's what makes doing this podcast kind of a bummer Because we can fully lay out things And document and be like no, this is absolutely not the truth Uh things like uh when he says that they're trying to ban white boards on college campuses Yep, these sorts of things you can lay it out and be like no, that's not or even just what we played at the beginning of the episode

The comey thing like no that I was I was hoping you were going to talk about the the small dicks No, I think now we have to do some research Uh, we're going to start measuring dicks because I can't trust any Published research it might come from it might come from uh the screaming monkey I don't know where the small dicks come from true, but we got to start finding everyone whip them out On three one no um

But but it is I mean that is the nature of trying to do a podcast about info wars as you realize like We can prove them wrong until we're blue in the face. It doesn't matter Which is why the strength of this podcast. I think is clowning on idiots And that's what I I just I just have a hard time really believing that I guess it's just I guess it's just because I somehow Uh, I have some kind of hope in humanity I no matter how many times they they do the studies where it's like if you can if you confront somebody's belief system With the truth that they that doesn't fit within their belief system Yeah, rather than accepting the truth and expanding they instead double down on the bullshit that they believe

Yeah, yeah, but they're they're that can't be everybody There is a percentage of people who will accept that truth And that's what I think we are going for here. Just like just like with trump voters, right? 38 percent of the uh Polls will always be for trump. You're not going to get that. Yeah, but That used to be 45 percent It used to be higher than that. So the idea that people are unable to learn from something that Uh contradicts their core belief. I can't believe is is universal

So I think the I and and the difference in in percentage wise Can overthrow? Elections like imagine we really get just five percent of people who voted for trump to get out and vote for somebody else That is The presidential election. Mm-hmm overthrown. Yeah, that's how many republican Governorships how many republican congressmen how many of all of these people go away? Because the the margins are oftentimes razor thin crazy slim And now they are going to be even more so to the point where if you if the if we had a competent

uh Committed to democratic party that actually was a progressive A progressive organization and I think there's a good chance that in 2018 They would overwhelmingly Use that same populist message But in a positive way and wind up getting over two-thirds of the congress. There's I mean look There's there's a possibility there's possibilities that that could come to pass. It's I don't think it will no But if they but that's the that's the problem again, you know why is that it has to be a competing propaganda campaign

Right, like it's a civil war. We're all gonna die. No, don't get don't bird. We're gonna be guatemala And we're not even gonna have any good bananas. We got plantains Look don't get disheartened like that. Just this quickly. Don't you dare say the word plantain to me? I apologize. I don't like plantains either. Someone offered me a plantain chip the other day and I said nah uh, but If we get to this next clip uh in this clip alex jones thinks That what gerome coursey is suggesting is that they start assassinating people's character Which is real fun because even gerome coursey isn't that stupid

That's a hard point to get across But I mean if you take a look at you say that hitlers attacking the jews under the Sure, it's like solenski. It's hard to defeat him just debating him with the facts Yeah, and the more facts you induce even if you're right, they it just extends the argument They get adds the snowball instead you circumvent attack the fact that a lenski is a piece of crap right right I like to see this is how like interviews don't work on info wars

Whenever someone who actually knows alex jones is doing an interview with him. There's like I'm sure sure. Let me let me get my words out because you're gonna get yours out We're not having a conversation unless we're both talking about how great white people Yeah, if I disagree with you, this is this is gonna be a non-starter. Yeah, I just got him I gotta it's gonna be it's gonna be an argument where no matter how many more facts you produce He's not going to believe in anything interesting and he's going to attack your character Interesting it's a bad idea to attack character because you might get fucking sued you idiots Which again, we have to we have to bring that up. They settled that lawsuit which alex jones said

On this I will stand I will win or I will die less than a month later He settles the lawsuit with shimani yogurt an issue is a public apology by the way It's been a day and a half since that happened. Has it been on the show? Not a once it hasn't been on the show I was this close to calling in and asking about it Oh god, you should have I was but I was too busy at work Uh, maybe tomorrow. Maybe we'll see if I do. I can't wait to see how quick that gets cut out of the No way So this next clip

Dude, if you even said the word shobani, you'd be fucking hung up on immediately And then alex would scream about something. I don't know listen. I'm not saying I was wrong I'm saying I apologize Right, wait. No, you have to that can't be that's not your whole about no even when I'm wrong I'm really right. It would be great just to call in and have like a sound machine that just plays the on this I will stand It's like what about that boy? What about that punk? That's that's how we close out this podcast now since it's thursday and rapaport didn't show up

Today we close out with rapaport might be dead. Who knows that's why he didn't he wasn't manning his shift Well, what happened was he lost against shobani Yeah, I can't afford rapaport anymore rapaport can't do it And then rapaport lost against shobani, which is why he's dead right now. That's how he lost his teeth Yoga I didn't land at all So in this next clip Uh, Jerome Corsi doubles down more on the idea that facts are kind of pointless against these false reality memes

Uh, and then uh, oh boy, he's too right. You'll see where he takes it Right and so, you know the basic corollaries are that you know, if you take a look at it dealing with the first is The facts are not gonna work Because they just say you're part of a conspiracy theory that you don't believe the truth of the russian collusion story So they they demonize you and you become part of a conspiracy theory and second The second corollary is basically that you know, no matter how you anyone who attempts to prove this Who tries to stand up and say wait a minute? You know, it was hillary that was part of the being paid over the iranium or

Was contested being paid in stock over this company joe lee Well, now you're just part of the conspiracy theory and the mainstream media is never gonna report Anything that's contrary to the mem That is being put out the narrative somebody by the deep state how to pronounce the mainstream media So, uh, the it rhymes with gene gene uh, so doc ins doc ins invented it

it is He even in his book Made sure you knew it rhymed with gene. That's good of him. Uh, he hasn't read that book, but he has uh No, I i'm assuming that course. He has not read any doc ins He also hasn't read a whole lot because he's saying that the deep state pushes this narrative with the mainstream media and if you Uh, you know, if you get off track of it, then you're gonna be called the conspiracy theorist And the two things that he references are hillary clinton getting paid to sell the iranium to russia conspiracy theory We've been over this it just it's not true. It's absolutely not true. We've documented it fully

There's a write-up on knowledge fight.com you can find if you want to get the information about that This other one about padesta is new so we might as well go over it Um, he's talking about getting paid in shares by a company named jewel investment j o u l e Or i'm sorry jewel unlimited So what happened was in 2011 padesta joined the board of jewel unlimited a solar-based alternative fuel company headquartered in massachusetts With operations in new mexico and the netherlands A few months after padesta took on this role anatoly chubias Chairman and ceo of russia backed investment fund russ nano also joined jewels board

There doesn't appear to be anything untoward or illegal about the fact that padesta sat on a corporate board with a russian banker Nevertheless, some of his and clinton's critics have played it up Conservative website the daily caller has alleged that padesta didn't properly disclose his shares in jewel when he joined the obama administration in 2014 In any case the company is american not russian That is courtesy of politifact that has some good resources. You can check out citations It's absolute nonsense this idea that jewel unlimited is some sort of nefarious Padesta getting money from the russians. Well, I mean you could interpret their name to be unlimited power Uh, yeah, that's that's the point. It's an alternative fuel source. No, but you know what?

It corrupts. Absolutely. No. Oh, do you know who's searching for unlimited power edgar winter? You know, he wants a high the globalists the globalists totally Uh, but you know what i'm saying like what about jonathan winters? How do you how do you think he felt about absolute power corrupt? Absolutely. Oh, I don't know look He would do a great impression about You do a great hitler impression right now. My rift game is off. My rift my rift gun isn't firing, right? But um So like he's like facts don't work Uh against this

False reality of the russian involvement Well, you if you start bringing up things like clinton getting the uranium Padesta with this company the people are gonna call you a conspiracy theorist because you're spouting bullshit that isn't based in reality Right, it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work against this false reality. That is the russian stuff It's like well, of course It's not gonna work and the mainstream media isn't going to report these things because they're not true People they're verifiably untrue people have researched them. It's not that people are ignoring these things If you say why isn't the clinton selling uranium on the front page of every paper? It's because it's not true

People journalists have looked into it It's not that they're ignoring it. You dumb old man. Anyway It makes me a little bit mad Uh, just because it's so repetitive. It's just like Just choose a new one. No, they can't you have to repeat it loudly because then it becomes true Oh, it's like they're propping up a false reality. Yeah. Yeah, exactly You want to make sure that even though what you're saying isn't true It's amplified again and again by this echo chamber of people who are in like a herd

And they're easily influenced by a loud Uh, boisterous idiotic man and manufactured ideas of uh, people all agreeing based on fake Uh, social media accounts and blah blah blah blah blah blah. So the only like You have to be a full-on psychopath to do this Of course he Yeah, he has to be. Yeah, let's get actually that relates to the next clip Let's jump into it. Oh, okay You also wrote best-selling books that have affected elections to your an expert on using when I was the ultimate propaganda weapon, truth

The ultimate propaganda weapon is truth according to him Uh, and again in case you haven't listened to other episodes where we've talked about Jerome Corsi's books He's written two books about how obama's birth certificate was fake He also wrote a book called unfit for command about john carrey that made a bunch of spurious, uh, and Proveably untrue statements about his time in vietnam. It sure did affect an election though. Oh, it sure did It sure did really change the outcome of an election. Yeah, yeah So, uh, in the same way that the in the same way that the birth or stuff like The the opposite is true. The most effective weapon is untruth. Totally like you can go through and so many polls of republicans

It's like 60 still don't believe that obama was born in america and 20 have questions. Yeah. Yeah, yeah No, we're just look you can ask about it. We're just in we're just looking for it They could have faked it. They could have faked that birth certificate. He's from hawaii. That's not even a real state So, uh, might as well be guatemala. So I learned some make us bananas and shut the fuck up And we don't care if your people die. Uh, so I learned a little bit more about unfit for command, uh Recently I read this little, uh tidbit after controversial comments Corsi had made at the free republic website were publicized by media matters for america's website John o'neill who's a co-author claimed that corsi was not actually a co-author of the book unfit for command

But rather was quote simply an editor. So there's uh authorship issues about it So he didn't even write it. Probably not Probably not Jesus. Yeah It's like tom clancy all over again. Yeah. Yeah, uh, so Uh The theme of the book is that uh, john carrey's four month tour in vietnam had been marked by cowardice under fire and fraudulently obtaining metals In that regard the book contained statements by some veterans of the vietnam war who served with john carrey on swift boats

Several of whom executed affidavits in support of their claims These claims were repudiated by other veterans who served with carrey and often were disproven by outside sources Including the navy's official records. Oh boy. So fuck him. Those can be doctored Fuck So the ultimate weapon is truth as we've discovered Uh, so here we get to this next clip this point. This is the point where, um Basically corsi breaks it down and advises that they actually start using a propaganda campaign How do we deal with mems total manufactured?

Don't you start saying it because you debate the false paradigm. You add energy and power to it. How do you circumvent it? Well, first of all, I mean the first point I'm writing in this article Is he got to understand that it is you're not going to beat this by facts You're not going to beat it by proving that it was wrong That never makes it go away to the true believers of the mem to the law I said we get on the offense with all the crimes they've committed and go after them Yeah, it's no amount of you know, so let's go after hillary. Let's go after pedesta. This is not true. There's no evidence The mem still continues now the subsequent articles

What i'm going to show is how you gain control of the narrative again How you recapture the narrative take it out of the hands of the deep state and how you take it over From the mainstream media So the first thing that's really fun there is just like alex does not understand what's being discussed Nope, he doesn't get it And that's why coursey has to keep saying facts don't matter When you're up against a propaganda campaign facts don't matter, right? He has to keep repeating that because alex is just like I I say we smear him or hey

I'm gonna just turn go offensive. Well, you know, what's you know, what is fascinating about that is that does kind of suggest that alex Is a true believer. Yeah, because he he constantly says, you know, the reason that we're winning is because we have the facts The truth the reason that is because we care about the truth We care about the facts So if he were to like even if he does understand coursey, he can't say that He can't say he can't come out and support a propaganda campaign because that destroys Everything him being aware of it would then necessitate him having to be aware of what he does exactly interesting And then if he if he does become aware of that and if he does participate in the propaganda campaign

That means that either his listeners will then believe they're the the propaganda campaign as they do right now Right, but if they know it's a propaganda campaign, then what do what do you really believe? Right, right. Can you really believe if all of a sudden the same stuff that they were saying? They're saying now But they're also telling you that it's not true and they're doing it for evil Right or or it or for good, but whichever your perspective may be But that's a sith lord coursey But that's kind of why they have to do it like this and present it as a novelty and be like

Oh, we've just stumbled upon this idea that this is what we should do Because otherwise. Yeah, it does it does call into question What have we been listening to for 20 years? Well, yeah, what can you what can you then believe because it's not like they're going to spin a new narrative? There's no new narrative to spin. No, so even if they say they're deliberately Waging this propaganda campaign. They're still going to say the same shit. Yep. So you have to then assume if you are at all Uh conscious and self-aware that then you have to if you are a regular listener of alex jones

You have to be like wait This is what you said two weeks ago before you told us it was a propaganda campaign, right? So if you're saying it now, but you know it's a propaganda campaign now So what was it two weeks ago? Yeah, but it's kind of it's kind of like his his lies are under child block You know what I mean? Like anyone who's smart enough to figure out how to unlock the box that shows The reality that he's lying to them. They they've already unlocked the box, right? Oh, man It's kind of a paradox and it's like it's like a baby president

Kind of and the people who are too stupid to figure it out are going to be like Oh Yeah, that would only make them feel like they were now we're in on something when you when you're when you're stupid Boy, do you love it when people tell you you're smart? Yeah, and you're usually too dumb to realize you're not smart Yeah, uh, so this dunning kruger effect if you will exactly so in this next clip They discuss how trump has become not very good at managing the news Which is a little bit of an understatement And then

Uh, alex at the end of this clip makes a really funny noise accidentally And it's great. It's real good What trump is not doing very well right now is he's not managing the news Trump has lost control of he used to be on the news constantly. They told him to be presidential Oh, he's still on the news buddy back off so they can eat him alive. What does trump mean to do right now? Oh, he's still on the news the first thing the next article is going to be i'm just drafting it now We'll have it up tomorrow Is that trump has got to

basically uh Take over the narrative By impacting doing something that that changes the narrative all together for him crying by starting out jobs And and you know, yes, i know stopping terror, but he needs to how does he change the narrative on this specifically? Let me give you an example like in died hillary clinton In case you missed that i have isolated just that noise so here enjoy that In died hillary clinton

It's so ambivalent So i mean Uh I know it's it's kind of petty to clown on him for a little accidental noise, but it's pretty fun That's a pretty funny noise. Uh, so like but but he's just like coursey is just straight like we need to make that noise a mem We do everyone memmet David memmet. I was just trying to figure out how to make that pun so like but he he

Like in reality what he coursey is suggesting is We need something That will completely change the narrative whether or not it's manufactured We got to change the fucking narrative right and what's behind that isn't oh all this is fake And people are trying to railroad him. It's a sincere fear. I believe they're like fuck We can't stay on this narrative any longer. Yeah shit starting to unravel right. I believe wholeheartedly. That's what's behind it coursey realizes it and he's like fuck

Fuck we got to do something right so in this well then in that case Maybe it maybe they are going to try and change the narrative because obviously this this hillary clinton and uranium Shit isn't working. Hold on like it's not working. Hold on although it has been on fucking fox news So it is obviously working god. Nothing is real coursey is going to get into it in this next clip Can guide hillary clinton Uh, I want to give you an example. I don't want to completely give away the article from tomorrow I want to do this step by step. So it sings in But what when trump for instance had the missile attack the cruise missile attack on syria

Everything about russia stopped. That was an example of how he changed the subject He changed the subject I knew and trump has got to figure out some ways I'm going to give tomorrow tomorrow's article a whole series of effective ways in which trump can change the subject Start a war this this is really a methodology. I'm laying out a plan So I read the article because it came out today and uh So the first thing in the article is he claims that the appointment of robert muhler is effectively changing the narrative It's changing the story, but it's not so these are no

It's it's only amplifying the story because it suggests if you have to pick somebody with that kind of level of credentialing Then you can't interfere with his Uh Investigation at all. Let me just read Direct quotes from gerome coursey's article, which is not very well written While muhler may reach a conclusion this year There's no time limit placed on his special counsel investigation Nor is there any restriction for muhler examining whether the democrats including hillary clinton and john pedesta were the politicians

Actually colluding with the russians during the 2016 campaign. That's a big uh, there is No, there is no There is no stopping him. There's no yeah, but there's nothing stopping him from investigating my ties either And by the way, I mean also the drink of my tie and uh, my ties to russia Oh, god damn it I didn't even catch that. I was like, wait, why are you talking about the day? So you got it Also the tie i'm using as a belt right now because my belt broke Uh, also he goes out. I love you

He goes on you just revealed that and just showed me a tie belt. I don't care. I don't know what i'm supposed to do You might as well have put out pulled out a karate belt. It's the same shit. I'm from the sticks You know, I might as well just be using twine Uh, the deep state and mainstream media just got bushwhacked by a skillful change the subject move engineered by president trump's white house Now that's not true. Wait. So he's saying that trump himself Yeah, is using the switch to miller muhler as a reframing the narrative Yeah, so he's giving trump some sort of 12th level dimension gene genius skills here, right now

because because rosinstein the uh, the acting or deputy attorney general gave the white house What was it like 30 minutes notice? Uh, about the appointment. He did not consult with them. No, this was uh, This is a blindside. This is something that actually I mean trump has come out in that interview and said that this is ridiculous Right. He has been against it. Yeah, so this framing of it is completely absurd. That's how you change the narrative though So he goes on now. Here's the other thing though If they if the investigation does show that hillary and pedesta were the ones colluding with russia That would one be the most wild

Out there m night shamalan twist. There's ever been right, but it won't be and two I'm for it. I'm fine with the two but it won't be about the uranium or this solar power Of course not. So they'll still alex will still be wrong. Even if that's the outcome. Yeah, yeah So he goes on. Can you imagine the the giant boner? He would have on that episode You have to have two super male vitality burgers. He wouldn't even he wouldn't need any super male vitality ever again It would just be with him never say that Always So coursey's article goes on to list some ways that trump

Can go ahead and change the narrative and get people to stop talking about the russia stuff Right first one is kind of diplomatically based Uh, basically, uh, it's fix the middle east So that would fucking be amazing. So here's what he says because trump is about to go on his first out of country tour Uh around and so this is a quote from the article fix the middle east Here's this is the quote from the article Beginning serious discussions in the middle east between israel and the palestinians Or getting saudi arabia to take serious steps to control wahabi radicals would be compelling news

As would be the articulation of a new balance of power structure in the middle east that abandoned military action in afghanistan In exchange for russia agreeing to contain iran None of those things are ever gonna happen. None of those things are even remotely possible. No, but I do agree I do agree that would so change the narrative. Yeah Oh, here's how you change the narrative from the russia stuff bring peace to the middle east fix a thousand Yeah, exactly. Just do it make israelis and palestinians hog on camera Like I don't okay. That's fine. That's fine. That's at least it would work. It would work at least we agree in conception

Good call. Oh, yeah, absolutely in execution impossible That would be a weird thing for me too if I was like, uh, the worst president of my lifetime accidentally as a propaganda effort Fixed the middle east. Yeah, that would be the weirdest like that is the polar opposite of causing the guatemalan civil war is ending the long Thousand year fight between religions. It does seem to match the world we live in though, you know, right? Yeah, why not? Why not? Yeah. Yeah, why not have trump solve that? So his other suggestions are not as good Here's the next one you mean positive

They're not as positive or wise or or even like they wouldn't be effective. I don't okay President trump could have various cabinet members announced plans making dramatic reductions in force Downsizing agencies unpopular to trump's base like the epa or department of education already a shadow of their former selves Already doing that even if signing and or implementing trump's various executive orders risks new controversies President trump will force the deep state and the mainstream media to shift focus from the russian collusion meme to attack each new step The administration takes by executive order Which is basically hey hey destroy the environment and everyone's schools. Yeah, that'll distract them that will distract them Yeah, but but not enough then they won't have enough fresh water or uh

Education to fight against you. So I guess that'd be fine. Right. It's like hey, hey, hey Look, your car's not gonna pass inspection. All right. Look, you just you don't have good brakes on there. Here's what you do blow it up Who blew up the car? Yeah, just light it on fire. That'll really throw off the investigators will really throw off the investigators destroy the country All right, good call. Now his last one is the worst. Okay. This is really bad Um to understand how effective changing the subject can be consider north korea a developing nuclear threat where president trump has positioned military forces for a potential military strike Listen to this paragraph closely because it's oh god. He's gonna advocate for

Blowing up north korea isn't he when cruise missiles are flying towards north korea military bases god us special forces Operating to make sure north korea's nuclear weapons capabilities are destroyed The american public will not be able to focus on the democratic party's efforts to bring impeachment proceedings against president trump because of Suspicions he colluded with russia to steal the election from hillary because we'll all be fucking dead Because soul will be on fire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. So instead of you know, like okay You can fix them at least right you can set your own car on fire Or you can blow up that cop car that's about to stop you exactly. That's what you can do

Well, no, it's not even a cop car. It's not even a cop car because it's like it's someone else's car Yeah, and it's not just one car. It's like 100 buses full of kids Basically because it's just the consequence of us attacking north korea is south korea is fucked Yeah, it's gone and even whatever defenses we put in there because we do we we've built up their defenses Yeah, but that's not enough. That's it. It's not enough. They will be destroyed. It's 20 miles away So Corsi's whole article is just full of bad ideas

Really bad ideas one of them would change the narrative completely, but it's impossible right the other two will either lead to Horrible climate change and disastrous Stupid children in our country or the deaths of millions of people in south korea and possibly japan depending on the realities of new and then the Inevitable start of a world war. Yeah, so it's possible. We would get to the billion mark In deaths it's possible and we don't know the full extent of north korea's Capabilities, we don't have good intelligence on them because but they don't you know, they're pretty tight about security Yeah, we don't have good spies in there. They're pretty murdery when it comes to spies. Yeah, and so like we we don't really know

The extent of what they've got and they do these tests and we get some information from it But they're not going full out with the tests So whenever they shoot missiles and they go into the water or whatever that doesn't mean that that's all they've got True those are those are more The test wouldn't be like, all right We're gonna test this missile and it's gonna land in japan. No, yeah It's not a test. Well, I mean what they what they really are is theater to to continue presenting themselves as a threat Totally like they're they're a very small like they're if you're in jurassic park

They're the dinosaur that puffs out its neck and spits on Yeah, and spits all over newman Very historically inaccurate And now we're back on the I hope you all have a good friday situation Now you're lost once more in thought. Um, so in this next I mean we basically that is his article That's the whole thing. There's a little bit more in it, but it's all just that would be it's meandering That would be more fun if he just went whole hog on any and every idea like hey, here's what he could do Uh bring universal health care. Hey, here's what he could do

Uh make africa part of the united states solve every problem. Here's what he could do Let's see what happens when alaska's on fire like it. Why not just throw out any here's what he could do Discover unicorns. Yeah, I mean it's as youthful as that article. Yeah. Anyway, here's sort of my review of his article in guide hillary clinton that's sort of That's kind of where i'm at as far as it goes god You you spent the entire episode up to this point just waiting for that point. No really that was on the fly That was on the fly. It was fuck. Yeah, you're amazing. Uh, so this next clip

I don't I don't who says you're bad at improv me So in this next clip It just feels like alex doesn't want to have this conversation. He's like, I know I invited you on my show Sernovich is on hold. We have fun Corsi you're a bummer You're boring as shit. He even bores alex clearly and in this clip He's it just feels like he's like I I want to hang up on you

Wish I wish I could fucking hang up on you This is stuff that's been proven the state department has done it is been proven by the experts in the cia I've studied it for, you know, 30 40 years How you basically change the subject silence the press It's some time to reorganize the government and take control I agree. Well, I'll be putting it tomorrow when you're here and everything Give us the name of the current article you wrote to today, which

I agree. Shut the fuck up. Leave me alone. We get it. I agree. I agree fine Is that what you wanted to hear? Forget it. You're torturing me Corsi. It gets worse. Why did I make you head of a bureau? It gets worse It's important to understand that the purpose of this mem the reason This whole russian collusion argument is being advanced is a deep state and the mainstream media Think it's the kind of a big lie a hitler big lie, you know, the the jews are behind a conspiracy destroying germany The jews are a deficient race eugenics. You do all a lie

But that lie can be made into a big enough false truth a whole new cosmology Yes globalism and that that's what will take down trump. That's the bet. That's the gambit And they're betting everything they got on it negative effect of that lie He didn't quite get to the genocide part of it. So when he's advocating like here's what we need to do We need to create something that gets out of our control and causes a genocide That's basically his argument more or less. Yeah, or or or it at best what he's doing is saying that This argument that's being put forth that trump is involved with the russians is on par with demonizing the jews That's what he was trying to say. I believe so. Oh at least

Okay, i'm gonna i'm gonna step it back and give a new at best. Okay at best It's using the same tricks Right, which I don't know if that's fair does it so So whatever I listened to the reason I said it got worse Uh before that was because I realized as we were listening to that it doesn't play on audio But you could just see in alex's face like uh

He was he was just like all right, right? We get it. The holocaust was great fine. You gotta go to break So i'm sorry go ahead. Um No, so the more I listen to the more I listen to this The more that idea of competing propagandas Doesn't actually make any sense um, or at least in our regard Because we're we're using those same tactics. I would say right like his show is me Yeah, his show is wildly entertaining if you are into that kind of a thing. It's fairly entertaining even though

I hate him. Yeah, it's it's uh, you know, it's a consistent spinning of narratives as as if you were debunking something Like that's constantly his idea is they're spinning the false narrative So i'm gonna debunk it with my wild outlandish claims right and he just repeats them over and over again But so what we're what we're trying to do is create the Same effect of that propaganda disagree using reality disagree. We're creating a real reality disagree That's what we're doing Disagree instead of creating a false reality. We're creating the real reality No, see you framing it like that is playing into this game. I disagree with that whole cloth. Okay. I just want to have fun

I just don't have a good you're the one who described this as a holy war against alex jones Sure, but it can be fun. That's what he has fun. He does. He has lots of fun I don't see why we can't all have fun. He dressed like the joker. He did or a fish mask Uh, I I disagree with that because i'm not trying to create any reality. I'm not trying to even necessarily Defend someone else's version of reality like whatever your version of reality is is totally fine Like if we have listeners who are conservatives. I don't give a shit We do not have any listeners. We have listeners who are libertarians

I think some of your ideas are childish, but go ahead. Whatever. I don't I don't care about molding people's realities So I I I've been I believe some fucking stupid shit. I kind of believe in atlantis. I don't care. That's right. You do It's not fact-based. I understand that it's just you also believe pink makes good music. Hey now But like you understand like all I all i'm interested in as in as much as this show is I don't want to do A propaganda campaign. I just I hate alex jones and I hate the movement that he embodies I don't mean that we're actively doing this. I mean that It is it does seem to me that the the main way to fight against this is by

Making something that is as entertaining now. You sound like coursey just fact-based No, of course. He doesn't care about I sound I sound more like bernay's. Yeah, which how do you feel about bananas? You know how I feel about bananas. They're great. Well, my dick is shrunk. So oh man. Oh boy so, uh So in this next clip, uh, it really again just whatever he's saying, uh, I feel about info wars Uh, it's interesting because they fully describe what it would be like to argue with them Uh, and it's it's kind of fascinating and what what i'm saying is First of all, you're not going to defeat this false nem this lie

By proving it's untrue. It's killing me because they just reinforces. No, I agree because we argue all day It looks like the other big lie. Oh, he gave the russian secrets No, it was all laptop news down two months ago, but then we used to bait it. They don't care They want to engage us in their false paradigm And that's right as soon as we're debating it. We are alex fucking as soon as we debate it So we just said you're a bunch of traitorous liars Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much what you do. Yeah, so he's alex is wrestling like with coursey's point and not getting it And at the same time coursey is projecting really hard

Yeah, because he's like once we start arguing we lose and then alex goes Yeah, that's what we do all the time. We argue all the time. Yeah, and we lose. Yeah, and then we just start calling people traitors Yeah This is more revealing about alex's idea of how uh, how to fight against something than coursey Totally, coursey is trying to pull this kind of that's why I said coursey's Evil, uh, you know propaganda campaign to achieve his goals. Yeah, and alex is just in it to fucking call people shit He just wants to he just wants to have fun. He's like the dan freezing of info wars. Hey now Man is true. We're both the boss

All right, I don't know about that. I don't want to be your rob do. Uh, I would say you're my macadam. Oh man No, I see now we're getting into the sexual tension on a show. Yeah, that's what we really want here So this next clip, uh, coursey gives a little bit of a preview to his theories Uh, and I spelled out already what his article that came out was about and so he just kind of touches on that stuff a little bit I mean, I know you want to get to your ideas tomorrow, but give us a little prelude Well, I mean tomorrow It's basically I'm going to propose a series of steps that trump can take which would change the subject

And you've got one coming up. He's going to take this foreign trip Which is going to be a major foreign trip. Hey, why doesn't he just arrest some russian spies? Because I mean except for the russians, but they got you know, they got spies here Why not just like arrest some of them or something? I don't know. Maybe it's don't change Maybe that feeds into it though some of Ah, fuck I got too early. Oh and shroya has been sitting there. Yeah, silently. He's like, well, some of them have been murdered Yeah, yeah, I heard that part. Yeah, the other I was almost thinking he was going to say like maybe because obama got rid of him On that one day. No, he did not. He's like, oh, no, no dead. Yeah, they're dead. They're probably dead

So, I mean, they are probably dead. He doesn't really, uh, alex asked him to preview his theories. He doesn't really let him talk Which is not interested classic alex not interested in his theory Uh, but they get on to talk about how the media is good at leading the story Leading and that trump needs to lead Why once he suddenly got in 50 60 days did suddenly he stopped leading the narrative. What happened? Well, they're very good at this the mainstream media and they laid the trap hillary laid the trap saying that was the russians who did it You know, even the evidence that the seth rich had 44 000 emails to wiki leaks. That doesn't refute the russian collision collusion argument

You can't win that argument with the propagandist. You're not going to win on that one They're going to win now. They're going to beat you. They're going to convince You know, the people who hate you that, you know, the the jews are all evil. We need to kill them all It's a complete lie. It's total propaganda. It's evil But that's the same nature of argument that the russian collusion argument fits into And you can't beat it logically. You can't beat it with facts Nope. I mean, he's he's absolutely right You can't beat it with facts because you don't you don't have any right

But that's you can't beat facts with with facts if the facts are not on your side But that's super unfair rhetorically to be like this is like trying to convince people to kill millions of jews You're shaking your head. No, it makes perfect sense. So he brings up, uh, Seth rich giving 44,000 emails to wiki leaks And I want to I want to talk about this a little bit. We texted about this the other day That's a hundred thousand less emails than people who will make it to heaven Only 144,000 are going to get home, man. That was exactly what I wanted to get So, um Seth rich was dnc staffer who got murdered uh in dc late night

The one about whom fox news has tried to fuck everything up yet again. We're gonna get into that Back in the day Months back when the murder actually happened. I was keeping track of conserve not conservative necessarily like conspiracy message boards and stuff And a lot of people were using the murder as Sort of a left-wing conspiracy theory They were saying that he was killed because he had stumbled into evidence that the russians Were hacking in right so at that point right there was liberal conspiracies going around about his murder Then it got repurposed as

He was the one who was leaking emails to wiki leaks. He'd stolen the pedestal emails and what have you uh, and Even julien sange has hinted that he is the source, but he has never said that he is because he wasn't but julien sange is committing acts of propaganda by going out and saying You know, we never divulge our sources right because sometimes they get murdered on the street Right those sort of like little little kernels. So now recently a couple days back Fox news got into the game and took that conspiracy theory that had already existed in the nether regions of the internet And made it mainstream

They started pushing it really hard when they had a guy named rod wheeler Beyond uh fox news He was on uh, he was on and he was a private investigator. That's how they build him But the reality is is he's a fox news contributor He is also for fox sakes. Also moonlight. Fox news. Come on guys He moonlight says a private investigator But they said that he was the family's private investigator That was not the family's private. He was not. He was paid by someone else. That's bullshit to investigate

Who is he paid by? Uh, I don't remember. I don't I'm I'm not sure that it's all that important Okay, uh, but at least when I it didn't set off any red flags when I saw I did see the name I didn't really care. Okay, because it's secondary to the what the main story is and that is that he went on fox And he said and I quote My investigation up to this point shows that there's some degree of email exchange between seth rich and wiki leaks Uh, I do believe that the answers to who murdered seth rich Sits on his computer on a shelf at the dc police or fbi headquarters However

In a subsequent interview with buzzfeed rod wheeler said He had no personal knowledge of rich's emails and I quote I don't even know where the computers are He went on to say that he got the information that he says in that interview from a fox news reporter Jesus fucking christ. He was just repeating stuff that he was told on set. He was just fed that shit Here's what we want you to say. You're on fox news You're going to say what we tell you to say and if you ever want to come back on the tv again You say what we tell you to say. Yeah, seth rich's parents have demanded an apology and they want a retraction

And they put out this statement As we've seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims. We see no facts We've seen no evidence We've been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press We're a family who's committed to facts not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement And the general public from finding seth's murderers Now, uh, dustin sternbeck the chief spokesman for the dc police Uh force said this quote. There is nothing that we can find that any of this is accurate

Said dustin sternbeck the chief spokesman for the dc police, which is leading the investigation into rich's death He would he refused to be more specific fbi spokesman declined to comment saying the agency is not involved in the case and referred questions dc police Law enforcement officials have said that seth seth rich's computer and email activity have been examined And nothing suggests that would connect them to wiki leaks Which 12 days after rich's death published 20,000 emails that embarrassed former secretary of state hillary clinton and the dnc Enforced the ouster of its chairwoman So they have investigated his laptop. They looked at his emails

There's no evidence that he was involved in anyway not important the thing that ever change the narrative The thing that people latch on to is that he was murdered in what appeared to be a street confrontation In the middle of the night, but he wasn't robbed And the reason that that I mean that's weird But the reason that it's not that weird is if you're in the middle of a robbery and it goes bad and you accidentally kill somebody You're not gonna then take shit from him. You're gonna just leave you're gonna at least, you know Run yeah, hope do you especially if you're not, uh

A hardened murderer new conspiracy theory. Yeah Jerome Corsi killed him. Don't do that in order to change the narrative I like this meme. I like this mem mem So, I mean, he's even bringing up that complete horseshit As evidence of Whatever the fuck. No, this is Vince Foster again. Yeah, that's what this is. This is absolutely the Vince Foster thing It's it's suspicious that he died. It is. It's so suspicious. It is. It's so suspicious. Totally So you should investigate it and they did and when you investigate it You should find only what you want to find, right?

That's how investigations work and for 30 years or all the evidence that you don't like And for 30 years insist that they had him killed because he was fucking around with hillary clinton and they gotta He was gonna blow the whistle. Yeah My aunt still thinks that that's why Vince Foster does your aunt's fucking smart. It's why it's why yeah So, uh, this we got that's but that's also like what I just described there is fucking all of law enforcement anymore Especially when it comes to uh drug crimes or anything of the like sure just like yeah, we have evidence Don't worry about it. It's you're gonna take a plea deal even though you're not Yeah, because though you're not guilty but just because because you know, we don't know everything

I can't sit here and tell you with a hundred percent certainty that rich didn't give emails to wiki leaks But I can say that every piece of Confirmable evidence doesn't indicate that so I'm inclined to believe that he didn't and I'm inclined to believe that those left-leaning conspiracy theorists were Disrespecting his death when they were making that argument absolutely and the right-leaning ones who are doing it now and back then are all Disgraceful. They're horrible Sickens sickens me. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. I mean you just wanted to Propaganda, baby. I mean what it really is is it's such a weird coincidence that it happened there

That it happened now and that it was then the circumstances were what they are Especially now that we have this violent city It is but especially now that we have this this russian narrative going on which a lot of it will turn out to be true But there is still that kind of red fear that's still been hanging around since the cold war sure So of course if we're investigating a russian tie and somebody even tertiarily involved dies Then you're gonna you're gonna get there if you want to yeah You're gonna make that connection even if there's no evidence even if there's no point You're just gonna your brain is just gonna go there especially if you have

A master propagandist troll like julien assange poking right so i mean well my theory on julien assange is I don't think he started out as the evil propagandist No, I think he started out as the holy warrior probably like alex. Yeah, he started out as this like I want to do good for the world. That's why chelsea and chelsea manning Did so much good for the world sure and i'm really happy she's out. Yeah Everybody may 17th is chelsea manning day. Right um but after he got all of the hate from the united states and all of the Request for extradition and like all of this shit that

Uh is just really kind of like hey you revealed we're evil so we're gonna do our best to demonize you and Put you in prison for it like we did chelsea manning So then he's in the embassy trapped in a room getting more and more hate filled and losing his mind I don't I don't think so. I think I think he's absolutely doing it on purpose now But I think he got turned into I think he got turned into two-faced. You've read too many comic books I I I think that that's you you had already had that right before I already I had made the comic book reference Well, I think that he's I think that your premise that he started out with good intentions is probably true

In the same way that like I blurted out. I think alex probably did too But I I don't think it's as simple as he's cooped up in a room and he turned super villain I think that there's negative parts of himself that Through either I don't know man. If you've been put in solitary confinement, you lose your mind. I I Now it doesn't matter if it's in a it doesn't matter if you've got a couch Or you're in a cell if you're in solitary confinement, your brain is gonna melt. It's not in solitary confinement He's basically in solitary. It's bullshit. Fucking fucking ferrage comes and visits him. Really? Well, then never mind. Fuck off

I hate him. Julie. Jenny McCarthy came and brought him a sandwich. That's real. Yeah, you don't remember that Oh, well, then fuck off. He's just a complete dick. There we go. I think I retract any support that I have for him ever I'm glad we got there. Yeah. No, but like I changed my mind I think that there's negative pieces of these characters The julienne assanges and the alex jones is that whether through ego stroking or direct Compromising they've changed from their initial goal of doing good into

Holding a line carrying a narrative and continuing to be famous. Yeah. So anyway, uh, this next I I will absolutely Yeah, there's no way that julienne assange is not a megalomaniacal lunatic. No Save your complex shit. So this next clip, uh, just really fleshes out that alex jones does not get the conversation They're having and also the gerome coursey is a dick So what of all the things they're doing that are horrible? What are the true narratives that we go after them on? I say this they're trying to plunge the economy. I knew last night. This is gonna plunge the economy. I said it Alex, there's no argument you can use that will win

You do you have to transcend argument? There's no going to be magic formula. There's not going to be an argument That's a magic bullet They're they're set up to beat every argument you could advance against this now You know, so when they go down the gogurbles path approving that the jews are deficient race Really really hit that horrendous horrible evil idea We're fighting the evil of the holocaust with arguments about the brilliance of einstein music with the bombs It's gone. No, it's got to be stopped by techniques No, I know I'm just saying we had to end up it went too far out of the military

Yeah, so we'll talk about those techniques tomorrow. Do you want to come on? We're on 11 to 3 central Yeah, he just doesn't get it. He does not understand you gotta bomb them. You gotta use bombs It kind of does uh make your argument stronger the idea that he's willfully not getting it Because it does portray him as someone who couldn't possibly understand propaganda. Yeah, no, he doesn't get it He and it might be a self-defense mechanism because coursey comes in and he's spouting this stuff Alex probably doesn't know exactly what he wants to talk about All he knows is that coursey wants to come in with a battle plan Right conceivably they haven't done show prep because they never do right

So he comes in and as he starts to spout this alex maybe is realizing Uh-oh You think so? No, probably not. I think I think this is innocent I think alex really is a simple idiot that doesn't know he is I'm not saying he doesn't know when he's lying Uh, I do think he doesn't see himself as a propagandist And he would take that as an insult if you called him a propagandist So Jerome coursey is basically saying

Invalidate all of the stuff you believe in and now engage in propaganda Maybe or invalidate yourself image not all the stuff you believe that's too generous in in yourself. I think that's too generous I I enjoy where you're coming from, but I think that's too generous So we have one more clip. How is it that I'm the less cynical one on this on this episode? I don't know We have one more clip. Let's get through it and it's just uh, not great Well, I gotta tell you Trump's a good guy. He's a smart guy, but isn't it proof how good he is how all the evil people hate him And if we follow through this we're gonna lay out a plan that trump can follow And I guarantee he's gonna listen to it. He's gonna hear it first of all trump's not a good man

But secondly also he cannot listen and will not hear anything and secondly thirdly at this point Your plan sucks Just the plan of a propaganda campaign is good In terms of like yeah Go ahead. So far it's been working well for you. You got millions of listeners. That seems to be pretty effective Yeah, you're doing a good job. But all of your shit on in your article is not good. It's not good propaganda Bombing north korea would be really disastrous It would get off of the russian narrative, but it would get back to it

It would only be a distraction for a temporary period of time and So much death Fixing the middle east is not a reasonable goal It's not something trump can do. You know what but trump can dream. Okay Trump can dream of fixing the middle east destroying the schools and the environment will get him attacked But it would be attacks in addition To the russian stuff and he's he's already doing it like uh, what's her what's her dumb face? Betsy devos is already trying to uh, remove grants and uh remove the loan forgiveness program

Yeah, she's trying to destroy fucking everything and getting booed at schools. God. I she's oh fucking Don't don't stop at booze. No stop it Calling her bad names. So drop a few bombs. That's how you change the narrative. That's what alex says That's what alex says. Yeah, i'm using alex's own words. Well like I'm i'm i'm very conflicted because on this episode you've pitched alex in a very sympathetic light Uh, and I I do not think it's sympathetic at all. I think i'm calling him a dumb man Right, but that's sympathetic compared to Like compared to pure

To compared to a guy who yeah orchestrated a 30 year long civil war accidentally Yeah, I guess it's accidental, but like I I I legitimately think that they're giving up some of their cards and the only reason that they would do that Is desperation Oh, absolutely. I think that this is a really bad sign for info wars and another really bad sign is that alex has just launched Way more products Unceremoniously. Oh, no

Usually whenever he launches a product like he has dr. Group come in for an hour and they talk about how great this new Metal guard that makes you pee a lot. Yeah. Yeah, but now like within the span of since our last episode He's got a new thing that helps you jump your car Uh, What he's got a product that helps you generate over your car. You can just stick it in and jumps your I don't know I don't know. I don't know. Is it is it just like a repurposed defibrillator a defibrillator that you found? I have no idea. It's insane clear and then your car starts And then he's also come out with a product of like mouth washes a line of mouth wash and shampoo and stuff like that

He's gotten into toiletries because I think he started to like oh fuck people are buying my weird silver Items we have to go more mainstream with this right and so now he's like you're gonna buy all this stuff anyway buy it from us Buy it from us and please get on a subscription program where it comes automatically every month Right and that to me is the gym model. That's what he's doing. Well. Yeah to me. That's an indication that You're in trouble. Right. This is falling apart You're trying to get all these these like I want to slugging the holes I want to see the info wars version of the herbal essences commercial so bad God just alex underneath a waterfall. It would be macadoo. Just fucking play games. No, it's gotta be alex

It would be macadoo. It's gotta be alex. They know where their bread's butter Um, so yeah, I mean I just think I think all of this rings and smells like desperation. It sounds bad And we'll see what happens. Well, I mean if you've watched if you've watched fox news one thing that I've noticed in the past week Is that They're pulling a lot of the same conspiracy theory bullshit. Yeah, like they're pulling the uranium deal. They're pulling like they're pulling all of this Look at what hillary did. Don't look at don't look at trump. Don't look at all this shit We're gonna We're gonna do an interview with fucking Ted Nugent, which is exactly what info wars does

Yeah, like they're pulling from the same playbook now, which is the biggest sign of desperation Like they used to hang their hat on pretending to be Uh Fair and balanced. Well, dear god You know what it is. It's a landslide that's cut happening and like corporate conservative news is now slipping down to the level Where info wars was it is but with corporate backing and on television Yeah, and they don't have lunatics hosting the shows that are gonna get them kicked off the air Then at the same time because it is a complete landslide on the right

Where alex was where like fox news is now has slipped down into let's start an actual propaganda campaign Right and and you know what they are on the vanguard Yeah, that is where fox news will be if things keep going. Well, that's what fox news is trying now Although the thing about it that is interesting is there were a few uh, like ratings uh evaluations and It's starting to be because fox news used to be far and away the the most highly rated sure news Info magazine. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Uh, highly rated bullshit

And since the trump stuff is uh started it's actually been more cnn and nbc and the like msm msm they're getting more because because fox news is blatantly blatantly Ignoring every possible aspect of this. They are not dealing with anything intentionally so intentionally so to the point of they are just I mean bald-faced Running a propaganda campaign. Yeah, like they might as well be talking to gerome coursey

And I'm sure that the next thing on fox news is going to be like Will trump bring peace to the middle east by going to saudi arabia? Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that was Pulitzer prize winning author. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So also, I agree. It's a mess But before we get out of here, I want to give an update because about about a week and a half ago Alex had as his guest this weirdo from new orleans who rides around on a bike with a tv behind him and plays info wars Okay, and this lady came up to him and he took video of it and it was this lady who was like I want alex jones taken out Uh, and she was like my son was brainwashed by him that you don't understand. This is terrible

Yeah, and so he this guy in new orleans just started screaming at her about like you want him taken out because of his free speech And so he puts out this video right alex sees it He invites him on as a guest on the show Of course and they talk about how free speech is dying and all this stuff not at all engaging with the idea that Her son was brainwashed by him essentially. Don't talk about it. Yeah, it doesn't matter So this guy's an asshole first rule of proud boys Don't don't talk about proud boys until you talk about it all the fucking time put it on youtube Uh, so this guy's on as a guest and he announces that he's starting a go fund me for his info wagon

Where he's gonna. All right. All right Can we get a knowledge fight wagon? I want a knowledge fight wagon so bad. I don't have the fucking time No, it's gotta happen unless it's a ice cream truck Maybe I'm in Just us going down the street with ernie and tanzas instead of thiefy is it so he um He was on the show and he's trying to raise $30,000 to make an info wagon Right. All right. So I did he get there. I've been keeping track of this alex jones is a massive audience

Right 80 million a week Sure millions an hour 45 million every second this go fund me campaign was started on may 10th Want to guess how much they have now of this 30,000 millions of listeners 450 bucks, dude 435 no shit. Yes First time I've guessed something even remotely close. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. You have no they no one has been Nobody wants nobody wants an info wagon. You do well. Yeah, of course. I do because that sounds awesome. Yeah, so Fuck the info wagon But you know, it is great knowledge fight.com our website

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