Knowledge Fight - #431: Smash-N-Grab Spy Jobs

Episode Date: May 11, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan take an overdue break from the present day of the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, the gents discuss a recent interview that Sweary Kerry released with an alleged super soldier to see what's going on in a very similar but much more creative world of conspiracy.

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Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like to sit around take novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed. We are Dan, Jordan, Jordan, quick question. What's your bright spot today? Why don't you go first? I gotta think for a minute. My bright. Otherwise, it's just a food thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, my bright spot is card games. My partner and I, we run out of playing our board games. Very, very boring. Going on to cards. Now it's gone on to cards. We're playing spades. We're playing heads up poker. We played a little heads up poker. Very boring. It is. It is more fun whenever you take

crazy insane risks and have no interest in money. Sure. And it's more fun when there's more than two people when you're playing a poker game. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Back when me and Nikki gifts used to live together, we had a running tally board of like heads up poker games because we were like, okay, we'll see whoever comes out ahead and that person has to pay. Right. It was just so boring. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun because we just, you know, yell at each other and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to play card games between two people sometimes. It can be. It can be, but you know, you remove a lot of the things and you shorten up the

game. You know, like you play spades and you get rid of everything below a 10 and you got a fast paced game for two people. I'm telling you, it's great. Have you gotten to the point where you guys are throwing cards into a hat? Not yet, but close. Check in next week. I hope I get good at it. So I guess for me, my bright spot would be, I guess I've just, I'm just going to go with the food one. I tried these cookies called a crispy crepes. Okay. And they're like rolled up little mini crepes. Oh yeah. I've seen those. Are they good? So good. So good. Maybe my favorite thing ever. Maybe your favorite thing ever. They're very good.

They're very tasty. Not too. They're small. So you know, you don't end up eating too many of them unless you can't stop and you just eat a whole box, which is something I do. It's possible to do that, but if you can restrain yourself, it's a really good, like little cookie thing that's not too unhealthy. And yeah, I think they're fantastic. Nice. I like it. And even, even if they weren't small and like reasonably acceptable, you're trying to eat healthier, right? It's still, they're still fantastic. They're really good. Oh good. Okay. But also I'm glad you offered me one after the show. After the show, I've got one with your

name on it. I wish that I had one that wasn't food based, but oh well. Yeah, that's where we're at. Man, that's where we're at. So Jordan today. We got an interesting episode to go over. But before we do that, we got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up in our sporting the show and check in with the year of the seltzer. So first, Mick, thank you so much. You are now a policy wank. I'm a policy wank. Thanks, Mick. Thank you, Mick. Next, Ryan. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wank. I'm a policy wank. Thank you, Ryan. Next, red alert,みたい, thank you so much. You're now policy wank policy wank.

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exciting new segment on our show. Forty two seltzers down at the end of week three to get to five hundred. We're supposed to be at about ten a week. We are over ten ahead at this point. Alright, good. So for the in the last since we last spoke, I've been trying to go through the Waterloo seltzers. Waterloo would drink that if I want because you're a Rockefeller. Is that what's because I'm a member of ABBA. Ah, well, that'll happen. Little known fact. I was in map. I want to say that Waterloo is a rangey beast of seltzer varieties. I've had a number of them and your new cup of coffee. A range of

range, you be watermelon variety coming in at sixty seven. That's not bad. A lot of them are in that sort of range, but the black cherry wonally not good or really good so bad so bad coming in at a thirty really a black cherry coming. I like a black. There's something wrong with it. Okay. It's not necessarily the flavor. There's something wrong with that seltzer. They fucked up something and it's not good. It's not crisp. It's not refreshing. It's just it's just water that they tossed a little black cherry and I'd be prefer that something wrong in the other direction with that Waterloo black cherry and I don't know what it

is and I don't appreciate it. Also, I tried this high ball energy water situation high ball energy water. Yes, here's whiskey. This is one of the cans of the other ones. This is a grapefruit one, which was okay. There's a vanilla and it smelled just like maybe a seltzer version of a cream soda. Interesting. I had real high hopes terrible. I trash yeah twenty one out of twenty one out of a hundred. That's bad. No good. That is bad. That's thrown out the window bad. Yeah. So we had some highs and some lows in this installment of the year of the seltzer, but that's to be expected and I'm glad because you know just middle of

the road stuff boring not all that exciting boring. I would rather encounter a twenty one than like a fifty three probably as somebody who's bipolar. I believe you extremes are kind of my interest. That's true. So we will see you again next time on the Earth itself. Of course, so Jordan today. What we've got going is I was looking over our episodes and I realized that it's been like ten episodes straight that we've been in the present day of Alex. Yeah, yeah, and it's been exhausting. If we were to do another Alex Jones episode for this one, it would just be able to cover Friday's episode of his show. Yeah,

yeah, whereas if we do Alex on Wednesday, we'll be able to have more content to go over at a little more more time for things. So I figured now is as good a time as any for a break and so I checked in on Project Camelot. I wanted to see what our old friends where you carry over there was up to talking about aliens and what have you still going with vampires? I assume last we learned the coronavirus may or may not have been turning Chinese people into vampires they're behind they're behind steel. So you you can't be sure that was the working theory over there and I don't know if that thread continues. Okay,

this episode. What we have today is an interview that Kerry did her most recent episode where she was talking to a super soldier by the name of Anthony Zender. This is his third time being interviewed on the show and I want to make something abundantly clear before we begin. It's Anthony Zender's game. That's what we're what I know. Alex has some thoughts about Zender's game. No, one thing I want to make clear before we get going is that I don't want to make fun of Anthony himself. I don't know what he's dealing with from listening to his first interview with Kerry. There was some discussion of him being in

Iraq and the possibility of some PTSD type situations. Sure. So I don't want to sit here and beat up on him and I'm not going to and I honestly probably wouldn't cover this too much if it weren't for the way that it's being used. The information that he's presenting and Kerry is allowing to be presented is stuff that deserves to be talked about. And I think this is just on the other line of my I'm going to leave this alone because it doesn't seem like he's struggling right. I don't I don't know what is going on in his world, but he doesn't seem like some of these people on project cam lot that I'd be

like I'm not even touching this. I still have a lot of empathy for him and I would prefer to err on the side of not beating up on him for sure, but that doesn't mean that this interview itself is necessarily off limits. There's some teachable moments and some things to be learned through it. So generally speaking if somebody with PTSD is is saying something along those lines, I view it as them and more as a complete failure of any kind of support structure for them to to kind of process this. I think that there's probably something to that. Yeah, so as far as that goes, it's a it's a failure of the entire system that I am. I

am interested in not him particular right and he doesn't seem to be somebody. At least I listen to two of these three interviews that he has and it doesn't seem like he's a bigot or anything like like like an eddy page. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't have any like vested desire to like knock him down to pay sure sure, but simultaneously he's presenting himself now for the third time on Kerry's show as a super soldier expert on X Y and Z love it. He just tried to made Venezuela. I believe right? He might have been involved. It's a silver craft or whatever. Yeah. So we're going to talk about this and we'll try and walk that line as best we can. So

Kerry starts out the interview poorly because her tech isn't working and so she has to call him back and try a second time. Okay, so we'll do this again. So hi everyone. I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot. Hi, Kerry here with Anthony Zender and Anthony. Go ahead and please say something so we know we've got your audio properly. Okay, I'm definitely here. You know, I just noticed a cut out, but you know that that's what happens in these things. So there's some echo there that will go for the first like maybe 20 minutes, but it gets resolved. Yeah, there will be a couple points where this is incredibly difficult to listen to. Yeah, I didn't know. I don't think I could fix that. That's on her

and mute his speaker or something. I think it's her. It's her because there's no conversation of it, but it does fix itself. Gotcha. So I don't know who whose end it was. There was the problem with the recording, but there'll be that little bit of an echo. The scalar attack was over could have been a scalar attack. It was probably the scalars. So this dude is a super soldier and there are some interesting things to consider when we think about that and we'll get to those along the line. But here is just the introduction of that. It's been going on since he was six. Okay, all right. It's a whole life thing. I like it. So Anthony is a super soldier. I've interviewed him in the past and it's great to see you again Anthony and have you on my show again.

Could you give yourself a bit of a background here so that people that haven't seen my previous interview or know of you will understand who you are? I will thank you, Carrie. It's good to be on the show and I had that plan anyway because definitely understanding what a super soldier is is part of the truth coming out, which is all coming out right now. And basically in my life, as a child, I was abducted by the government at six years old and that was in what is called Operation Green Star. And that is a CIA operation that abducts children. So they abduct these children to turn them into super soldiers. Sure, sure, sure. You got to get them young. Yeah, I can find no evidence of a CIA

program called Operation Green Star, but of course I wouldn't. Yeah, absolutely. They're abducting children. That's got to stay way under wraps. I can't even find much evidence of it in conspiracy forums or anything, but it is the actual name of at least one government that at least one government has used for projects a bit in the past. Okay. That's the Papua New Guinea, where the PNG Defense Force has used that operation name to do things like in 2019, when they cracked down on immigrant suspected of job hopping. The head of that operation, Lieutenant Colonel Nelson Rapola, told the New Zealand Post Courier that quote, the operation aimed to restore the state's presence, provide community health care and

evangelize the word of God. Strange. I like one out of those three, I suppose, but I don't like him in service to the other two. Earlier in 2018, Operation Green Star had made news in the post courier again as they had seized 17 illegal air guns that were believed to have been quote smuggled across the border from Indonesia and used for poaching and local violence. No word on if those guns were taken for evangelical purposes, no ever. In 2013, a separate Operation Green Star made headlines in India when they confiscated illegal plastic items that were in violation of their Environment Protection Act. That's great. In North America, Operation Green Star was the name that was given to a clothes and books drive where people could donate

to quote help those less fortunate than ourselves in 1967 at the University of Montreal. That is a perfect cover for a super soldier program, Dan. You'd think that's where they drop babies off to they don't want you adopt them. I've seen movies like that all the time. I can't even really find many references to Green Star on conspiracy or paranormal sites and one of the few ones where it does come up as a site called true vision of peace and the reference to Green Star is just in a bio that's attached to an interview they did with Anthony Sander. I began to think that this might all just spring forth. Yeah, but I'm not entirely sure. I like carving out his own space. I like sure. Yeah, good for him. So apparently there was a this program. It was part of a treaty

that the government did with the breakaway civilization or something. Okay, here's here's an explication of that operation. Green Star is a CIA operation that was created to abduct children with certain genetic traits for eugenics and bioluminescence. The treaty with the breakaway civilization was letting them abduct children with the genetics to turn them into super soldiers, which is what happened to me when I came in because of my genetic traits of being a extraterrestrial hybrid. So if I understand this correctly, as it's being presented, there's our government and then there's this breakaway civilization. Of course, the breakaway civilization may as well be called the globalists. Like that's a term that Alex used to describe his enemies all

the time, the breakaway civilization. Yeah, so they're the bad guys in this scenario. Okay, the CIA is clearly part of their operation since they were running Green Star, which means that the creation of the secrets super soldiers was something that was being done for evil ends. Yeah, this must mean that Anthony is an evil creation and that all of the super soldier exploits he's been doing are directed by the bad guys, which is an interesting wrinkle. If you really think about that's fair. That is fair unless there's some kind of a narrative about the good guys taking control of the secret super soldier program. I have to conclude that he's an instrument of the dark side. I don't know Frankenstein's monster wasn't inherently evil. It's just the way

he was he was created and the way people perceived him. No, this is but is not on. But if Frankenstein's monster was created by an explicitly evil Dr Frankenstein, who is then sending him off on missions, right? You would assume that he was an instrument of the evil that is Dr Frankenstein. Yeah, you would. You would probably assume that I suppose if we're going to go that far, right? So I just think that that's interesting because he'll talk about some of his missions later on and like a hero. They don't seem to be in compatibility with the secret space program and the CIA breakaway civilization sure the one who are in charge of their sure sure so that that to me is a little bit difficult. It's not a hard bridge for someone to cross like it would be really

easy to just say there's elements within it that are good. That's who I was sure or something. Yeah, it's all whatever I find. I find treaties that explicitly allow abduction to be very suspect what if you're going to or if you're going to make a treaty wouldn't you what doesn't that suggest that everything's on up above board? You know you're right on paper. Yeah, but you're not it's enforceable in some way to think you're not abducting. I mean this is just an analog of that whole idea of like Eisenhower signing a treaty with the aliens that the graze could kidnap people for research and stuff. It's all sort of the same there. So one thing that's important to recognize is that when he was taken by Operation Green Star there were augmentations that were

done to him okay at the age of six. So since then he's been some sort of a super soldier and at six years old I was taken to you know deep underground military bases and and you know experiments were done on me by the government and extraterrestrials. Implants were put in me. You know what they call the black goo was put in me and they basically I was turned into a super soldier. So he's turned into a super soldier the black goo was put into him and so from then on he's in theory been a super soldier. Yeah, right? Yeah, he's got the black goo. He talks about like some of these missions happening in other dimensions like he's in another body or whatever okay that's fun right. But this is his body. Yes, this is explicitly his own body when he was young

right. That's important because there's two divergent paths of these the super soldier dumb that's going on right that's very hard to make sense of okay and they don't try very hard. So are you telling me that they so do they remove the implants as the body grows or is the implants grow with the body? I'm sure they grow with the body. They're probably semi organic. All right, so we got the semi organic implants. We got the black goo. Now I would like a further explanation of where are these implants around they're around. Okay, well then never mind we're good. So every good story like this requires a backstory. You know you need some sort of a a reason why your lineage is important to be an be chosen for this sort of thing.

And here we get a little hint of that from as under as a child you know my grandfather was involved in serious projects you know he designed the SR 71 Blackbird engine was involved in propulsion systems lasers and all the secret space program stuff that he couldn't talk about it. So if Anthony is saying that his grandfather designed the SR 71 aircraft then he's definitely claiming that his grandfather is Kelly Johnson because that's who did that this claim initially appears to be a good play but upon closer examination you find that it's really dumb and it's actually impossible. The reason it looks good at first is that Johnson was married three times so you have three possible

lineages to claim this offers so many more possibilities for making claims of parentage as opposed to someone who was only married once but if you read up on Kelly Johnson's life you'll quickly learn that this is no good. Johnson released his memoirs in 1985 titled more than my share of it all and in it he discusses the heartache of being twice widowed and never having children. Oh that's not good. Nope Kelly Johnson the designer of the SR 71 had no children and therefore cannot be anyone's grandfather. This story that Anthony is telling has no basis in reality and if he wants to make these sort of claims credibly he's going to need some really solid evidence past just saying it to a woman who believes literally anything anyone tells her.

Yeah pretty much. So maybe he had a maybe had a love child. Maybe that's what government abducted his weight. That's what I'm saying is like yeah. Okay. Yeah. Fine fair and that's that's why that's where my I was the illegitimate child of it or whatever. Right. Right. Right. You need to prove that then or because otherwise I could just say that I am the illegitimate love child of anybody I want to or did he actually design the engine. Then we talk about your question himself. No no. Well obviously he could have gone back in time through a previous super soldier program that we are obviously aware of but what if it's all a cover up and Kelly Johnson didn't even design that shit and it's actually Zender's grandfather who did it but

they had to get rid of him because of his genetics were too good for the super soldier program. He has a kid. They have that kid. We're that kid is abducted again. We're too far. He goes back in time. I'm going to time travel is very heavy in this version. Of course it is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean sure at that point you're just you know whatever you could you could come up with any kind of sort of do six Machina explanation for how all this fits together clones. Sure. That's gotta be it. So he became a super soldier at 16 formally right and all the everything before that was preparation for it and he has one piece of information that he sort of uses as evidence that I don't find super compelling and they you know I would have bloody noses and

things like that but basically I was booming and and all that stuff to then have me be a super soldier when I was 16 years old is when I first started service and that was basically my whole childhood was grooming me to be a black ops you know super soldier involved in the sewers space program. So he claims he had bloody noses right and that's some sort of evidence and in the other interview he talks about how that was the proof that they had just taken him or something sure sure when in reality childhood bloody noses are super common for all sorts of reasons like dry climates picking your nose right allergies there's a ton of reasons that people have bloody nose yeah yeah it is not uncommon so for that to be like so key and so central as a piece of evidence

that like he's being taken to be experimented on yeah I just I see that and like that's not good it doesn't it doesn't sell me on it I need to know about the graduation ceremony that's what would get me if you if he gave me a detail the idea of what happened when he was 16 like did he walk up there did they give him a diploma did they put a hat on him what happened I want to know he has to give back the black this exactly could be they suck it out of his mouth I'm not sure so Anthony is involved in disclosure that's what he's supposed to be doing right now which is why he's on Kerry's show and he's supposed to like get a lot of this information out there yeah I've been involved in a lot of things and I'm basically you know involved with disclosure

and and bringing it out to the people pretty good band because in this time it was obviously seen that there were you know people are going to want answers about what's going on and I do have knowledge to be able to provide that and I've been I've been involved in a lot of a a lot of missions lately you know and and in these missions lately am I doing black operations but I'm also involved in talking to you know like heads of executive of state and and all these things that are going on because what is going on right now is the is the cabal is getting taken down and and that's why we're we're in marshal law so for me that is a little bit much I every time somebody says that what's going on right now is the cabal is getting taken down

I am one assuming that they are totally on board with Trump there's no other way to say that the cabal is taken down when he says I'm talking to executives he's literally talking about Trump yeah he's talking about having meetings with Trump yeah yeah yeah so he's saying that the cabal is getting taken down right now yeah who who whoever QAnon says is bad okay all right okay we will get to that eventually because I'm saying he's doing it lately and he's involved in disclosure so it should be fresh in his mind well who's getting taken down well obviously I mean this next clip he says one person okay in terms of all of that anthony do you have any specifics in terms of what you know about the takedown what you know about the arrests so rather than generalities

because see look you and Kerry are on the same page Kerry is kicking ass at this interview obviously yes people have heard there are going to be arrests we've heard that certain individuals are being arrested however we don't really see evidence of that so do you have any specific evidence or information that you can share with us in that regard I do I do I do because I'm involved in this I'm involved in in taking them down and I have memories coming back of you know of being involved in making people sign things like Nancy Pelosi I've been involved in executive meetings where I've been involved in the tribunals I've actually been there and seen it going on I've been in the courtroom and I knew that the tribunals were going on and this is all going

on behind the scenes so he has memories of making Nancy Pelosi sign something and being in these tribunals it was just it wasn't that long ago yeah why why remember he's every time he goes on a mission do they wipe his memory or something I have a working theory about this and it's basically that what he's describing is dreams he's had right and things that he has come to his mind while he's meditating sure these are what he's describing as real memories and experiences that he's had yeah and Kerry is allowing him to just say all of these dreams are real yeah now if this were a situation where it was a competent non abusive interviewer talking to this person you could have a conversation about these really interesting dreams that he's had I mean if you're

like I'm hearing a lot of recovered memory kind of language about that's the idea of that that like he's he's he's they they wipe his memory or something along those lines in order to keep him from yeah telling even though his job is now disclosure or whatever so I'm confused on on exactly what's going on that doesn't quite make sense but yeah there is sort of a vibe that he he's either they try and make him not remember these missions but your soul remembers so sure sure the akashic records and stuff he has access through like his higher self to these memories so when dreams they come back course that kind of thing is definitely in the mix yeah but what do you think he got Nancy Pelosi to sign it's not clear she's under arrest auto loan no I think

it's a confession or something it'll come back up later but so Kerry asks about these memories and this is this is sort of like where I'm thinking like oh this is this is mostly dreams when you get these memories are you getting them uh because in in sort of a sleep situation in a meditation situation or can it just bleed through during the day how does this all come to you right right um I am a I'm a meditator you know um I was taught that in the mystery schools I can meditate for as long as I want and that's part of my memory recall um so when I do go to sleep I obviously access other levels of consciousness and um what they what they do um wipe from my memory I'm actually remembering and um what what uh you know it does come in dream situations but it will

be real more real than than real life so I mean you can have vivid dreams and there are phenomenon that happen in your dreams where you can have like pretty intricate uh story lines that go through dreams and lucid dreaming yeah yeah yeah but I don't I don't know of any reason to believe that you would uh have a dream of making Nancy Pelosi sign something and be like I did that that's why you didn't get a scholarship to mystery school down yeah probably because you can't open your mind to the mysteries yeah that's probably why that would make that's the only thing that makes sense to me we'll get back to that mystery school thing here in a minute all right I'm excited about the mystery school yeah so I like like I said I don't want to make fun of anthony uh but I do think that this

is worth discussing for a number of reasons one of them is because in this interview you see exactly the same sort of mentalities that alex jones has being presented by this guy one of them being that movies and tv shows are real one of the uh the movies actually that's a disclosure movie that's out right now is uh is called bloodshot and and that that's a new movie with vindy's and the whole thing is about what a super soldier is and how they do memory manipulation and memory erasal to basically keep reusing the super soldier over and over and over and over again and another thing another disclosure show is is the dollhouse so you have these like sci-fi movies and tv that are actually telling us the reality of everything that's going on secretly

and you have that exact same mentality being so key to alex jones's belief of what the globalists plans are and and when it's coming from alex jones it has this air of like i've researched i know all this stuff i know what they're doing they tell you their plans in the in the movies right right but when you hear it coming from this guy who's claiming to be a secret uh super soldier talking to kary it kind of puts into better light the behavior that alex jones manifests yeah yeah yeah he just for him for anthony it's far less nefarious right i think right with alex i it's also less effective just uh based on an appeal to authority kind of situation there because alex is in control of the his whole desk you know he's filling the room up with his bullshit so you know

he can push that on you and you can just kind of accept it but when it's a dude giving an interview and he's telling me that movies are real like you're not you're in the wrong seat to tell me that movies are real it does feel that way and the dollhouse had a rough start but as it got going it was pretty good it was pretty good at a rough start the schoo that so another thing that's really similar to stuff with alex is anthony zander says that he is in direct communication with the president of course trump yeah and his sort of ideas about what's going on in the world right now are also very very similar i am currently having meetings with trump with donald trump and oh thanks for yeah with the blatant guidance that um he is receiving right now

and um i am also you know that's that's executive meetings but i'm also having memory recalls of missions that i'm involved in in on this earth and also interdimensionally because this is an um interdimensional um temporal extraterrestrial war going on that's very similar to what alex believes there's extra dimensional demons that he's at war with yeah that are behind the globalists and all this shit it's very very similar alex says that you know i talk to trump all the time through this show i talk to him and he listens yeah i mean that there's a very very heavy overlap between this guy um and alex yeah i want to know what they mean but i don't in a dimensional um you just can't see it's happening around you right right

but is it like alternate universe kind of stuff or is it like there's a world above our world or a world coexisting with our world that we're incapable of experiencing i think it means whatever you want it to make i that's why i'm very frustrated with it yeah because they all use it like it's it's a catch all and i think they all if they were going to like draw out what it is they mean when they say interdimensional you'd see completely different picture and i think that's why a lot of people don't do that because if you do then you have to stand by that definition yeah and that can be trouble yeah so anthony's mission largely involves apparently being a spy he talks about this quite openly on this public show so i assume the bad guys now know yeah yeah i that seems like

trouble i think i think he's i think he's been burned yeah i think that's why that's what i would you would think that if his role is a spy infiltrating evil organizations cover god but he talks about that here a little bit but uh one of the uh the missions that i recalled uh just recently was um i was because i'm always infiltrated um into into the dark side you know what i'm saying into the dark corporations which are um people don't know this but and they will which are monarch mobius umbrella um massive dynamics and ultimate and these are all corporations that are interdimensional and um one of the missions i i recall was um because right now what what is going on is uh uh the covid virus is uh basically a biochemical

ai uh weapon that's been employed interdimensionally so um you know i'm i'm uh recalling mission where um i'm involved in uh getting information about what's going on um in these other places interdimensionally so i mean alex believes that it's a bio weapon there's some similarities there now i should tell you that monarch is the name of the fictional corporation that was set up to try to kill godzilla in the modern godzilla franchise including 2014's godzilla 2019's godzilla king of monsters and the upcoming godzilla versus kong it also factored into the 2017 king kong movie skull island it's great the mobius corporation is the name of the evil company in the video game the evil within which was a survival horror follow-up from resident evil creator shinji makami with the first

one released in 2014 and a sequel in 2017 umbrella of course is the evil company in the resident evil series massive dynamic was the company founded by lenard nemoise character in the fox drama fringe which was kind of the looming specter of evil for the protagonists in the film yeah i recognized all those names i'm not sure where ultimate comes from do you know because i have no doubt it's some movie or video game that i haven't played or seen i think it's the frisbee golf one or the frisbee yeah the point here is that anthony is operating off of very similar but more in-depth pattern of thinking that we see alex operate with there's a fundamental unwillingness to separate reality and fiction and the lines are really arbitrary yeah like why not include viet industries

in there what about primatech paper like is not a hero's fan not famous enough what about the dharma initiative lost was one of the biggest tv shows of all like it was huge too obviously fake are those fictional companies not real but these other ones are i don't know i was i hate it whenever they believe that movies and shit are real and then they say stuff like biochemical ai if you believe movies and shit are real has a biochemical ai ever worked out in the end for humans it always goes wrong for us yes it's always why would we make a biochemical ai if they always wind up killing us in every movie and tv well because the all the fiction is just predictive programming to make you think it would never work so fair enough i'll take that there's always

ways around you got me there you got me where you got me there so when i noticed a trend that whenever i heard um anthony talking about missions that he's been on they honestly sound like pretty awesome dreams okay and um basically uh you know when you're when you're a spy you're a lot of the times you're found out you know your cover is blown no a lot of my missions my cover is blown and i have to escape you're a bad spy and um the most you know one of the most recent memories was i was obviously um in in one of these corporations umbrella that are linked with DARPA you know they are linked with DARPA in this um reality but uh i was involved in um being involved in the mission there and um i had to escape and i was getting shot at um and i had to

get into an elevator and the elevator door closed and there are all sorts of bullets riddling through the elevator door and um i had to take cover um against the wall in the elevator and then they cut the cord to the elevator and then i fell like hundred stories or something because i was in a skyscraper and it basically the elevator hit and um i was still alive because i was obviously in a super soldier body obviously and uh i got out of the elevator and there were agents all around people that were trying to take me out and i started um basically running up the sides of the wall and uh shooting everybody and killing them and and that that's what a uh a runner is capable of doing i've had dreams like that that sounds like an action packed uh kind of dream yeah yeah no

that's that's very exciting uh i i now just just me if i'm if i'm one of these uh uh government operations uh directing spies into places uh i wouldn't use the guy who's describing his own job as my cover gets blown a lot and two i'm in a recon mission and then i just wind up killing everybody that's not good that's a bad spy it's a smash and grab that's a bad spy that's a very obvious spy right that's just a murderer you couldn't beat a stealth video game with like that kind of strategy that spamming attack strategy yeah exactly yeah it is it is counter to what the goal is yeah perhaps i would i would say that you're trying not to kill people if you're hiring a spy well you want the information and you also don't want the person you're getting

the information from to know you have it exactly that's the leverage exactly yeah that's why you employ a spy yeah i don't know i don't know also that suggests that the corporation for sure knows that they're being spied on uh and all their guys are murdered and they're just like well we'll give you this one man but let's keep moving for me once let's keep moving forward with the exact same plans that we know that they know about yeah exactly look guys back to business as usual my bad my bad on this one let the let the dead bury the dead let's move forward we thought the elevator thing was going to work shit thought it was going to work should have known there were super soldiers that apparently we are involved in having created because we're the bad guys

it's very complicated as it's uh yeah i don't pretend to understand what the ins and outs of this are but anyway there is a reason that i'm doing this episode even though like if you just listen to that clip it's pretty clearly a guy who's describing sort of dreams that he's interpreting as real yeah and that is something that is indicative of not a perfectly healthy mindset right necessarily right which is why i'm trying to dance around this fairly delicately right like because i don't want to beat up on this guy i think that he probably is dealing with something and probably needs to be the target of compassion as opposed to ridicule yeah no some of these ideas are kind of funny but only within the context of understanding that you know he it's not him

we're laughing at no it's like the children of the at the child care facility that their recovered memories suggested that the daycare workers were satan satanist satanic you know murderers and pedophiles and they got they sent them to jail for forever and it was all made up i'm not mad at the kids right you know they were they were being manipulated the whole way in a very similar way that carry is manipulating this guy well and i think it might actually go a little bit deeper than that yeah and we'll get into that as we go along so carry wants to know about this sort of sovereign citizen e idea that trump lately has been speaking in front flags with no gold fringe on jesus christ and this leads to a pretty big revelation that should tell about where maybe

some of this path started for uh zender do you have like i mean the last like say a couple weeks have you noticed a change in what's going on because the for one thing paladin reported that on lately on news conferences that the gold fringe is missing from the american flag so are you aware of a change in that regard yeah no there's there's nothing but change going on and it's very clear that they're they're trying to uh you know in many different ways make that clear um and um it's uh i've heard you know the federal reserve is is is gone you know um they finally got those three senators out of there you know they they they switch it over and uh what i know to be uh what they call the uh nesra and jesra is happening because i've actually had um memories of being

involved with uh donald trump in um the uh the the great um uh the hidden city and in china and there was a celebration going on there um and the celebration was obviously for nesra and jesra actually being rolled out right now which is obviously a whole new change of government everything happening which we can actually see is happening now um with this martial law being instilled on america so the whole idea about the corona virus and the covet 19 and the lockdown and all this has to do with a whole new government being rolled out because of nesra and jesra okay who are they we'll get to that in a second okay so just real quick uh like i mentioned in case anyone hasn't heard episodes where we talk about this a bit carries gold flag question uh the fringe

around the flag is just sovereign citizenship their belief system says that gold fringe around an american flag indicates that something is under the control of maritime law and therefore it's all invalid yes it's a super common sovereign citizen talking point uh you'll see it whenever they're in court trying to get out of a like a fine for driving without a license right right bring up the fringe around ha ha gotcha yeah two bouquets so i was pretty sure that nesra and jesra sounded like some kind of an allusion to a biblical beast or something i kind of got that vibe yeah it's actually a tip off that anthony believes pretty interesting and depressing conspiracy stuff okay nesra is the national economic security and recovery act which is something that was

proposed by a systems researcher named harvey frances barnard in the late eighties his basic argument was that debt was holding down the economy and the compounded interest was the greatest factor in the maintenance of that debt which he viewed as an ethical matter it was unethical to allow compounding of interest which i'm interested in listening to as an argument just as a whole well it's a i mean it's fundamentally anti biblical so there's that nesra and jesra yeah biblical anyway yeah his proposals were never put into law but that didn't stop a woman named kandace goodwin from starting posting a bunch of conspiracy theories about it good for her under the screen name the dove of oneness love it goodwin argued that it was actually uh that nesra was

actually secretly passed by bill clinton as the national economic security and reformation act oh nicely done goodwin's theory inversion of nesra is a sprawling conspiracy from her telling the act was supposed to take effect on september eleventh 2001 and nine eleven was somehow done to avert it or something oh okay i was going to say that's a staggering coincidence totally according to a fantastic article about her by sean robinson in the news tribune she believes that this secret law quote abolishes tax income taxes forgives mortgages zeros out credit cards and declares peace except where otherwise specified the quotes in the passage uh passage isn't about to read they all come from robinson's reporting in the new street got you got a fantastic article

people should check out the media apparently is not allowed to talk about this law well of course not because there's a gag order in place that would be punishable by death if you talk about this stuff uh that is no way enforceable but whatever if all of a sudden we see rachel matt out disappear from the from the show right after talking about nesra mid show she just gets dragged off by a giant she's uh yeah it's showtime at the apollo she gets ripped off of that i believe that q and on anonymous did a episode about nesra and they're still around so okay apparently we can get away with talking about it a little bit if if need be we're independent media dan it's just the media establishment they can't do it right so goodwin as the dove of oneness got her start as an

anonymous internet poster who was promoting a scam being run by a guy named clad hood hood had started this thing called the omega trust and trading limited he claimed to be a high-powered investment trader and offered people quote units of omega for a hundred dollars which would quote roll over for twenty five uh two hundred seventy five days with a fifty to one return investors could let it roll again for another two hundred seventy five days again fifty to one after that they could do one more roll but that was it if you do the map that would flip one hundred dollars into twelve point five million dollars no work in fall how could you not say yes to that of course yeah so naturally this was all bullshit and hood was running a scam and taking money uh and just

enjoying it yeah no yeah that's a great scam hood is dead now but an obituary for him estimated that he ran the scam from nineteen ninety four to the year two thousand and made about twenty million dollars from night investors christ oh man prior to his death in two thousand two hood pleaded guilty to a bunch of charges and admitted he made it all up as a way to scam people and he was sentenced to fourteen years in prison yeah the double oneness was one of the voices that encouraged people to not give up hope on this omega investment even though their payments were never materializing as the scam was coming to a close and hood was nearing being arrested the dove of oneness spun fantastical yarns about how there was a conspiracy against omega and how there are

good forces including judges who were trying to fight for people to get their money through her stories and supposed updates about hood scam she gained a following probably mostly of people who wanted to know where their twelve point five million dollars was when hood was arrested she created a narrative uh that the whole bust was a farce and that people needed to keep their spirits high she posted quote stay away from the website that has information on this case three exclamation that is a smart idea right that's a good that's a good way to that's a good place to start if you're trying to keep information away from people scream don't look at the information right i like it quote you will be tracked if you go to that website and absolutely avoid filling out any

complaints or you could lose your funding if you do that brilliant don't review us on the better business bureau brilliant investigators who had taken down hood and omega were trying to get victims to file claims to be reimbursed from the money they'd seized from him but quote many investors refused to file refused to even talk to government investigators the problem was the internet and the never ending stream of rumors led by dove and others that urged omega victims to clam up u.s attorney steve sanchez told the news tribune quote everybody kept saying i'm told that it's gonna pay tomorrow so i'm not talking to you no matter how hard we tried to persuade people that the information being put out there was erroneous people didn't want to

believe it hood's lawyer would even get calls from investors who wouldn't accept that he'd confess to the fraud quote some of these people they just really really believe it that's why these people are so susceptible to being victimized again yeah so this is all a load of shit but it seemed to maintain some sort of a following though with the dove of one mrs work yeah according to her omega was just one of many of what she called prosperity programs which would make everyone involved rich apparently these programs were to be put in motion by this nessara that she imagined had been passed into law by bill clinton okay her ideas about nessara have been debunked by the guy who came up with the idea in the first place harvey barnard but it doesn't matter the conspiracy is too

seductive and has its roots in a real scam that defrauded people for of millions what goodwin has done the dove of oneness what what she's done is she's transmuted that human impulse to hold on to hope that their ship is coming in turned it into a whole cultish following for herself to profit off of and now it's being attached to conspiracy theories about donald trump man that is good shit i gotta give it up so she took working on this scam with this other guy i don't think she was working on it with him and that's something that comes up in this article that's really fascinating all right that because of how large this scam got and how protracted it was the working theory around it was is that it attracted a bunch of other scammers who wanted

to drift along like like a like the like sharks like the little fish that clean sharks backs that's what that's what's going on here and if you look at that as a microcosm of the trump administration yeah everything is when there is a gigantic massive fraud going on people who run cons are like i got to get a taste of this action and whether it's even like conscious or not that is a phenomenon that i think you see whenever scams get too big well i mean if you see a bunch of people getting frauded you're like well obviously these people are right target audience and that's even what that dude's lawyer he's talking about yeah these people are susceptible being victimized again because they they just want to believe right right right and nobody

wants to accept that they've been con yeah you feel like an idiot and you feel really stupid Clyde hood in court one of the one of his quotes that really like stuck out to me was i didn't realize how big of a liar i was which is a fascinating thing that is a really because you made up this whole thing there was a point when you made a choice to you know who really got conned me i was the real victim here i conned myself you know what that that quote is a little bit of that mentality and then also a little bit of like maybe peaking self awareness that maybe he didn't have access to while he was diluting himself into thinking he was doing something else right and that's fascinating to me so anyway this is what anthony believes is going on with the world

today sure is this implementation of this nesera what's jessera that's just a new one that's just the g stands for global it's the same thing oh okay well that's nice it's basically the concept and the idea that what we're going towards with trump and all this is a global resetting of all economy okay and all this and it's going to be like a you know a shaking off of all debt and everything and everyone's going to be living in wonderful perfect prosperity it's utopianism being funneled through trump okay so he believes that a man whose primary wealth comes directly from property ownership and bankruptcy and bankruptcy and defrauding people is going to suddenly switch tack and institute a utopian society well it eliminates those things i think

it's probably because he believes that trump is being guided by aliens and what have you because he didn't say earlier he's getting pleidian help yeah if we if he suddenly got pleidian help very shortly and we we saw a big change i'm fine with that i'm fine with that right now i am not a big fan of the pleiadians if they've been here since the jump now get these pleiadians out of here bro yeah i'm done with it so it turns out that anthony is a really big fan of q anon sure and he thinks it's very important to study and he knows who's running it well isn't the idea that she would be one of the people under arrest oh she is Pelosi that's what i'm saying is is she definitely is one of the people that are going to get them uh they're already there they're actually already

there see the thing is is like you said earlier uh what you heard about the children happened a month ago um you know we're kind of like society um is kind of behind schedule about what's really going on and and those people that are in the know are kind of in in more knowledge of what's actually happening but but they have to roll it out a certain way and that that's what uh like i want to talk about q anon and who q anon is and how important q anon is because that's pretty much like the nexus point of people understanding what's happening is uh them studying q anon and um q anon um me even saying this is actually something that no one's been saying because they don't know but q anon actually is mj 12 is the organization mj 12 in the government

because the government mj uh mj 12 was uh created to infiltrate uh what people know as the Illuminati but they're actually not the Illuminati because the Illuminati are the ones that actually oppose um the the global globalization and the uh uh the old world order that was being rolled out it's not a new world order it's actually an old world order that has been um being implemented on humanity to enslave them this leads to a really interesting uh conversation with kary where first of all she's like but majestic 12 is like a really old school conspiracy thing okay is that with that stuff yeah it's all right majestic 12 it's classic paranormal alien conspiracy things and kary's like i know all about majestic 12 they're not all of one uh they're it's split and that's very confusing

great sure but also this the way he's framing it what we what most conspiracies it's called the new world order right he's referring to as the old world right and the Illuminati isn't really the Illuminati no Illuminati are against globalization really really illuminated ones okay and she has this whole thing where she's like i understand what you're trying to say does she yes okay but she's like i understand but you can't just call those things those things because they denote something to everybody you're going to confuse people and i think she has a fair point kary's kary's point is words have to mean things if you want to communicate there's a going to be a problem with reverse branding yeah that comes in yeah so i think a lot of the ideas that that zander is

expressing a lot of these things are probably things that have gotten into his subconscious his belief system because of engaging in a ton of q conspiracy theorizing right so that is another pretty solid clue of what might be leading him down this path towards having these dreams where he's on reconnaissance missions against the umbrella corporation and right right right for sure you know i it makes a lot of sense in some ways in some ways yeah so kary asks him if he's been dealing with graze the aliens sure and he has an interesting response to this that kind of confuses kary okay and are you familiar have you been dealing with the graze um not not not recently because i mean i'm done with the graze because that was uh you know very far back in my

in my life like when i was six and getting abducted i'm i'm definitely dealing with higher beings now because even even now i'm remembering memories of being involved in as a super soldier where um i'm i'm fighting nordics and um they actually uh were fucking me up they they actually have the ability they were able to lift me up um telekinetically and just spin me around and throw me against a wall so i mean that's that's that's that's what i'm i'm dealing with okay but nordics are not graze no no they're they're not they're not but they are more advanced right okay okay it's just that my question was about the graze so you you sort of changed the topic and moved on to the nordics all right fair enough i think that the nordics are good guys right yeah in this whole

conception well if i there's the pleiadians are a nordic uh alien yeah yeah yeah i've always understood them to be the uh racist version of alien white people yeah they're like these these are the uber men yeah yeah that kind of things or yeah yeah yeah like yeah i've i've i've never heard is this guy a bad guy i don't see i don't see oh oh in terms of yeah in terms is carry talking to her enemy i mean there are a lot of indications that he was a secret space program super soldier that was created by the cia right in a part of a treaty that they did with the good guys to enable them to kidnap children right to do this and he has been fighting aliens the traditionally on project camelot are seen as the positive right right right right it's complicated and he really doesn't seem

to have any interest in protecting human life so far i don't think those were humans that he killed after he fell down that elevator that's fair enough yeah those were other i i i i retract my my criticism yeah so the the the thing there is a carry doesn't bring up that sort of what i would consider a stumbling block the fact that he was fighting with nordics it seems like a pretty big deal she's just like okay fine and she's a little testy about him just not straight up saying no i haven't dealt with the graze for a while instead he then says i'm dealing with the nordic you should always be dealing with the graze you got it they're always in play i i want that to be a euphemism for some sort of bathroom activity i gotta i gotta go deal with the graze

over here guys come on i would like it to not be so we're in a disagreement fair so cary asks about some more q and on stuff which is the idea that jfk jr survived that plane crash really don't understand this now working with trump i don't understand the jfk jr stuff this leads to a bit of confusion that i think is really telling do you think that you have inside knowledge about what is going on with trump and his team and q anon and also robert i mean uh john f kennedy jr yes yes i do and i can confirm that um that is all true everything that's going on with trump and q anon and robert f kennedy jr and um the castle of technology and everything is is the truth um because okay basically actually robert f kennedy is not john f kennedy jr you know john

john the one who supposedly died in the crash supposedly that's the kennedy i was referring to just clarifying uh so uh john f kennedy jr but but anyway uh you're you're talking about john f kennedy jr right jfk i'm talking about yes who who supposedly died in a plane crash they say now that he the he faked the crash he and caroline his wife you know he published george magazine etc that he is uh working with trump and he's actually part of q anon have you heard that yes i have and um i i am in in not even not believed but knowing that that is true so i mean i i don't i don't even know keep it keep your junior kennedy's uh straight you know keep them keep them straight the problem is that they're both

sort of involved in the conspiracy right because right jr is the anti back guy yeah yeah and jfk jr is the the one that supposedly faked his death so he could help trump now famous people shouldn't die in plane crashes it's just a terrible idea it is trouble it always happens no one no one is theorizing that the big bopper is working with trump no we are now i think that's the only thing that makes the makes sense out of any of it i just oh god what that press conference be amazing see now here's my now we we are opening back up the states and as a consolation here is buddy holly and the big bopper what they've been working with trump all along and and and they just let american pie happen they just they didn't stop that song from happening from now on american pie

will never be played on the radio again it's too long to begin with yeah oh boy don mclean just god damn yeah my career i'm sorry what you're saying i i i completely forgot which which kennedy jr is the is so they think jfk jr yes faked his own death some people believe he might even be the one doing the q stuff okay so i don't know q might be jfk j i don't know i think i think some people believe that oh boy apparently there's some division in the q communities about whether or not they believe jfk jr is alive or not it seems like maybe a bit of a um that sounds foundational yeah i don't i just i just hear this stuff and it's like okay he was ready to say that rfk jr yeah why not the one who's alive and is helping trump and then there's a there's a confusion

and like no i'm talking about jfk jr is like i don't not believe that i know that to be true it makes me think that this is a little malleable i'm gonna say yes and to whatever it is you just said whatever is being presented as this conspiracy is i'm gonna go along with it yep so now where this this intersects with sort of more reality and again alex jones specifics is some of this conversation about the actual covet nineteen situation what we didn't cover is your own take on uh the so-called coronavirus any thoughts on that so called you may have been given right so um what i know about the coronavirus is they are definitely making it worse than it seems like uh the tests are set up a certain way to uh to basically make more cases uh happening than

are actually happening um and and then they're blaming um deaths that aren't related to the coronavirus actually to the coronavirus um to make the numbers more you know to make the numbers more so to to to to provide more fear and that's just you could hear alex jones saying the exact same thing but yelling it word for word yeah it's identical to the same conspiracy theories that are being trafficked on info wars you see a lot of overlap here and it's like well this is the same thing yeah it's the same thing it's just alex pretends that he's something different yeah and we've allowed him to get away with it forever like i don't know why people i i mean i guess i kind of know why yeah i mean part of it is he seemed fun for a while

shock entertainment yeah sure and then part of it was also the appearance of non-partisanship with him you know yelling at bush and stuff and yeah i don't know i i i i get it's it's awful to look at it really like it's the tragedy the the scale of it of how many people are dying and how they're being pushed towards that death like fucking lemmings in a disney documentary or at least being pushed towards risking it yeah yeah sort of phrase it a little bit right right yeah but but we have to look at it you can't deny it you can't deny it and that's what it seems like everybody in this circle really wants to do yeah they just they just can't look at it because in a movie it's fine you know it's not real right and when it's real they have to find a

different movie to kind of retreat into yeah i mean that's kind of that kind of thing well yeah and to sort of double down on what you're saying it's the when you allow for all movies to be reality you kind of allow for stuff in reality to be a movie yeah yeah it kind of goes both ways the blurring of fiction in reality doesn't it's not a one-way street no until it's there's no blurring it's they simply both exist simultaneously and you just pick and choose whatever when you feel like believing at any given point in time yeah yeah that's fucked and so you know the with the alex jones coronavirus conspiracies that are being overlapped here it's not surprising that he also believes as sort of a resource in pushing this something else alex believes in and in the Illuminati

card game there actually is a card called pandemic and it's epidemic and it's basically got you know the masks and vaccines on there and stuff so this was all part of the plan being rolled out but uh it's not it's not what it seems to be so um also i mean i should just uh spoiler alert i have the Illuminati card game up on my wall yeah i know i'm wondering if you have that particular card i absolutely do um but there's also like a ton of other things like godzilla is one of the cards well yeah but that's that's godzilla is real i'm gonna yeah let's get up and look at yeah yeah look at the while we're here oh big foot that's one big foot is the frog god frog let's not forget about that i can see that vultures is one but i think that's just fine i think vultures are definitely part of the

plan um moon base so we go to moon base that's part of the plan all right we've got a fiendish fluoridators oh so that was definitely true Loch Ness monster Loch Ness monster is going on 100 real uh huh yeah let's see what else we got no clone arrangers they arrange clones in different zana do zana do well that one real that one's actually real we all have to wear roller skates for the rest of the day uh air magic right just just air magic well i mean that's wind yeah i mean so sure i mean you can say whatever you want about this fun card game and what have you but when you do you got to recognize what else you're implying like all of those other things must also be part of the plan or maybe those things were put in to make the plan looks sure

the only real card is the card but you see that's also fairly universal among a lot of conspiracy theorists they really think that this game this card game that uh steve jackson studios put out is somehow a revelation of of of the plan uh so um towards the end of this uh kary decides to go to commenters okay and one of them thinks that nesera is bullshit okay big uh shout out to this commenter well one person is questioning nasara i i i've heard that uh the nasara thing is actually bs so what do you think um my whole life path has has been about understanding the reality of that um jessera nesera and uh the connection with saint germain and the grand jubilee and and all of that i've been involved my whole entire life in uh not only studying it but knowing

its truth and i see it actually unfolding um in in my in my reality like it is it is actually going to happen and of course there is misinformation disinformation out there you know that you're going to go through but in the end you you will get to the truth and then you will actually um be able to to not doubt what it is that you know is happening and and i do i do know through my personal memories um and um information gathering that that is what is happening donald trump i remember being involved with i mean that's what this is all about is nesera and jessera so that would be the one thing that they would not want people to know about okay well it sounds like bullshit versions uh so like that that there's going to be misinformation and stuff is exactly

the same thing the dove of oneness did when the scam was falling apart yeah don't look at that other information don't believe it it'll it'll track you if you go to that website there he's not coming at it with such an intentional scam aspect as that clearly yeah but it is the same mentality don't look at the stuff it's misinformation or like if you do just know it's misinformation yeah confirmation bias as a religion yeah you know so i was curious i i listened to this and you know there are a lot of those overlaps with alex and stuff and so i wanted to get a little bit more information so i went back to her his first interview with carry because this is somebody who she is now presented as a super soldier three times yes on her show yes the first time if you

listen to that episode you get a ton of indications that there's something that he's dealing with he talks about healing himself from ptsd he had from being in rock doing some l ron hubbard stuff talks about seeing a psychiatrist and when he talked to him about stuff and uh the next time he came another guy was there who was part of the secret space program sure if you were a person like carry and you were dealing with things responsibly you wouldn't probably have a follow-up interview or you might not even put that one out to begin with and it's one of the reasons why i'm trying to be as careful as i can surrounding anthony himself because the way i kind of look at it when you take all of it as a whole i i kind of look at him in the same way i would have

looked at jesca shab before she realized what she was doing didn't make sense yeah yeah i think that he still has every potential in his life to you know get to a point where he's living more realistically and have some more clarity about these things the nesra and jessara nonsense and all this super soldier stuff that he's fallen into i i don't i i don't think that he is necessarily running what you'd describe as a full scale con right i don't think that there's at least as far as i can tell there's not wholesale bigotry going on there aren't the hallmarks of someone who's too far well i mean he's fighting the nordic so i guess he's fine potentially metaphorically yeah i don't i don't see the indications of someone who's

who's lost just someone who's maybe in a bad place yeah i and there are a lot of people who are allowing that and and enabling yeah no the the thing that i noticed so hard was the way carry was manipulating him by using those pauses after he says something like she's not allowing him to continue speaking and you can tell the way he recognizes the pause means i didn't say what she needed i didn't say what she wanted and she knows that she's definitely exploiting him in in that kind of way of like there is a there is a sense of exploitation yeah yeah this is i i don't like her in this in this circumstance at all no and of course not because that's kind of a larger awareness that's important about what she does yeah like what this show is on some level is

masquerading as like we listen to everybody everybody like all this but it it's not necessarily that there's there is enabling and very just like the making a business out of other people's unhealthiness yeah and just like alex's show what's far more important than any conversation is making sure the narrative is what she wants it to be yeah that's important it's it's got to be you know if you do a call-in show you can you can say you know i've got a whole i talk to everybody and shit like that if you're doing this show you're talking to people who are going to support the things that you want or give you a sounding board to get what you want out of them yeah and i think when you dwell in this kind of a space and you're doing interviews like this i think you have a

heightened responsibility i think that you actually have a greater standard that you need to live up to than somebody who's doing let's just say like a show where you interview people who have a new book coming out you know about what their book is about you know or some sort of a mainstream talk show i think you have a far greater responsibility in terms of being aware that the waters you swim in attract people who are having trouble yeah sometimes yeah there is a higher likelihood of someone with an idea closer to what you believe right having some sort of pathology behind it and it is important if you want to deal with things responsibly to cater to people like look after people a little and what i see an absence of in any time

i've looked at anything on project camalot is an absolute rejection of that responsibility right right and i find that to be offensive yeah and that's people it's people expressing pain and she is exploiting it right and i don't know if anthony is expressing that much pain because i don't think he doesn't appear to be struggling nearly as much as like the people who i wouldn't cover right right even if they had similarities to alex or whatever i still would be like that i'm not gonna it's not worth it he seems like he's doing okay and he's not talking about this in ways that feel like it's pain to him his he's not he doesn't have a completely flat affect to what he's saying he seems to have like some points where he laughs like he doesn't seem like somebody who's like in

a crisis right right right but there are enough context clues to be able to be like okay this isn't a secret space program super soldier this is somebody who believes stuff that is just read on cubanon yeah and has some sort of a hole that this is is satisfying yeah yeah and i think that it's irresponsible if you're someone like harry to not be hyper aware of that because you're in a position where you have a show that has an audience and you are in a position where you could take somebody who's going through something maybe is being influenced by some negative things online maybe it's a phase for them or something they're trying it out because they need something to hold on to yeah and now there's tens of thousands of people who have listened to their story

and are giving them reinforcement and now you've put them in a situation where one path leads towards getting help and being healthy and that requires you to reject all of the endorphins and the sense of meaning this new conspiracy world has given you you have to give up whatever that large crutch that's been built here yeah it's a sense of safety yeah it's a sense of but it's false i understand that's that's the that's the thing that i i keep noticing so much of these people is that they cannot allow for an utterly chaotic nonsensical universe universe it's it's crazy somebody has to be in control somebody has to be in power somebody has to be orchestrating stuff it can't just be ludicrous psychopaths fucking floundering around like me looking for

the word flounder it's terrible yeah you can't it's just sad yeah it's tough yeah so we have a couple clips here of the original interview because i think there's some telling things in here that give us a little bit more insight into things that would have been like don't pursue this further kary but she can't because she's not very good at this and she's super irresponsible she's floundering about yeah one of the things that gives me a strong indication that this is like her game is not good is something she says right at the beginning and i'm also not one that thinks that documents can't be faked and therefore i don't stand on documents either so humans are the genetic library and we are the archival archivists if you will of our own history and that's what's really important here so

this is testimony and testimony is admissible in a court of law in fact it can even get a person thrown in jail so take it for what it's worth this is not a court of law this is not this isn't testimony this is talking it's a testimony and kary if you think documents can be faked wait till i tell you about lying no you can't fake no no you can't lie you can't lie you can fake a document but you can't lie that's the rule you have a strong distrust of documents people saying that wow yeah i don't stand on documents because humans are the archival archivists right so i'll just talk to uh shon david more yeesh i'll allow a fraud guy to fraud me yes but then the court documents that demonstrate his fraud those are all faked those are all faked

okay absolutely this seems like a really workable system i want to believe what i want to believe fuck everybody else so in this first interview that came out about a year ago anthony gives a little bit of an indication of how his path down this road i came to be my my my mentor is his name his name is romp that's just one of one of the mentors that i have but basically when i started waking up to being in the secret space program i i i heard about romp that and i actually attended the school and um and and that was what was being taught there was the truth and um obviously at the beginning i wasn't ready to handle the full um extent of what was being taught there um because uh he always says you know it comes in

levels and um he always says you're not ready to handle what i'm going to tell or what i have to tell you because you have to you know raise yourself up through the levels to be able to understand the knowledge of the truth so romp has come up a few times on the show in the past yeah this is the 40 000 year old lemurian warrior spirit who's channeled by a woman named jz knight who's been described as racist anti-semitic and a person who pretends to channel a 40 000 year old lemurian spirit right she actually does have 100 problems so jz knight has made a ton of money on this hustle and has been doing it for a long time in fact she was doing it back when clide hoods omega scam was running cool according to the news tribune article about that whole affair the

attorney prosecuting the case steve sanchez quote realized several victims were linked to jz knight the ethereal new age guru who claims to channel the spirit of a 40 000 year old warrior named romp though later in the article quote that's how i became involved in it was through the school one student said i was involved in it and practically everybody else i knew at the school was involved in it there were tons of people involved in this on just a cash basis people were sending in cash cash with no paperwork no receipt no nothing people were promised their money was going to come in before the next snowfall probably just a coincidence that uh kandace goodwin the dove of oneness also took classes at the romp the school cool cool that's kind of what's going on here

this anthony guy isn't a super soldier he's just a guy who's fallen under the sway of a cult yeah and carries using him to advance her own narratives by presenting this story is genuine and that's really unfortunate because there is a better future for yeah for this guy do they ever like like what did romp the fight it's like in the atlantic and battles and stuff oh that's the type of yeah okay that's the type of warrior we're talking about like not like he was just a guy who's trying to hunt you know i don't try to survive before the ice age hits i'm not really sure just running out the clock so so a lot of this stuff like it starts to come into focus it starts to make sense this is what's going on yeah and also jay-z night is pretty involved in qanon

stuff too like a promotion of the q narrative and she's just allowed to roam free yeah yeah woof yep wow that's not good nope they should they're woo yeah so all of this runs perfectly sensibly if you start to look at okay he started to have these ideas he pursued this romp the school he went there started to learn about all this stuff and as it turns out that school was a hotbed of people who are involved in the omega trust sure and so of course he now believes in nesra in jessera as being involved in some kind of a magical plan trump is using to save the world yeah it all kind of makes sense and it's sad but um i don't know there yeah it does seem like there's so many of these people are just searching for like just going from cult to cult just like

please just take away my personal responsibility please i want nothing to do with it just tell me what to do yeah and remove me from having to think or feel yeah that's the goal and i start to wonder too when i listen if some of these ideas about the secrets space program super soldier were started by carrie herself yeah in anthony yeah because he definitely listened to her other interviews cool with uh with super soldiers uh you know i've interviewed a fair number of super soldiers i think you could say and so i guess i'm wondering if you're familiar with any of the super soldiers i've interviewed like did you watch any of those interviews and at the time did it trigger you and also were you aware that i was in my lab before i told you about it

i mean i think you said you heard me say it on a show but were you aware of it before i said it or anything like that yeah i was definitely aware you were my lab before you said it because i watched one interview so you could say you were my lab so i knew that and uh all the other super soldiers that you interviewed um like erin mafala right like uh you know max spears um you know and james casbo all of them were were hearing their testimonies did um you know support mine and and and helped me to my awakening so it did it did trigger a lot hearing uh the other super soldiers that you uh you know interviewed so those are pretty old interviews that she did like early on in camalot and throughout and i can't help but think that maybe what this is is

an expression of i got into this form of oral tradition the storytelling medium that you were engaged in with these people yeah and i started thinking about it all the time i started having dreams and then i realized that the only reason that it could possibly vibe with me this much and why i could dream about it all the time is because i myself must be one of those super soldiers it's a possibility yeah also if if there's only one answer to the question did you know i was in my lab before i said it there's only one answer to that question if you answer that wrong get out of the game yeah get out of the game so jordan do you think that you could beat up a super soldier i mean i'm not really nordic you know i'm more irish so do you think you so you don't

think you don't think it could be a super soldier i mean i would i assume that since i am not a super soldier what is the point of having a super soldier if i could defeat one well i don't know if you could but i should tell you that from 2011 to 2018 uh anthony zander was an mma fighter okay how did he do his record uh was six and twelve six and twelve that tracks with how many times he's been win rate that's why he gets caught out and be what he's spying he's terrible at it his last fight was a thirty eight second knock out that he lost like if you're a super soldier you're not going to lose twelve mma fights yeah i would assume i would hope not unless all mma fighters are super soldiers um that is a possibility that's a possibility so then from 2018 to 2020 his most

recent fight was february 14th 2020 he started boxing okay became a he became a boxer okay and his current record is one and seven okay that's not great that's not great his second most recent fight was on december fifth 2019 and he got knocked out by a debuting boxer okay guy in his first fight okay and so he won his first boxing match back in 2018 in january 2018 and since then all seven have been losses three times knocked out so i just three times knocked out yes oh that's not good no that's really bad no you shouldn't be knocked out once no it's but it's i mean for your brain yeah it's it's i would assume that in the martial arts in the in the realm of pugilism someone who was uh prepared for their entire life to be a super soldier and had the black

goo put at them yeah and all that yeah you would assume might be unbeatable and it seems to me very difficult to square that with losing records in boxing and in mma going back to 2011 yeah i mean i guess it part of his super soldier thing though is that he's in an interdimensional body see but it's not always that's why it's not always that's why it's really difficult right that stuff when it's in a different body in a different right over yeah totally yeah but the problem is that he his real body was kidnapped at six and trained and had the goo put in and now it's just getting all the implants out of it yeah right it's difficult for me to square and again i'm not making fun of him it's just that that is a real life thing that kind of makes this story hard to

believe yeah no i mean the i mean more like just there's there's permanent brain damage that comes with being knocked out that many times like that's some serious shit i think that that would be a tough assumption to make uh but it's certainly not um you know uh not with a outside of the realm of something maybe to be considered i don't know i don't i don't know enough um certainly if you were boxing in the like 80s that or like uh doing you know pro wrestling back when they did unprotected hair headshots with jayers and stuff then yes i'd be far more concerned but since he started fighting in 2011 maybe i don't know we've evolved a long ways in fairly recent um yeah in terms of like understanding concussions for sure for sure a little bit better but yeah i don't i don't i don't

know i don't he tracks decently well like yeah in in listening to these interviews outside of times when there's like he clearly doesn't know which kennedy is being discussed that that i don't think is any kind of cognition problem that's just he doesn't know the stories yeah or whatever he's perfectly capable of uh communicating and and telling a story that has a beginning middle and end so like i i don't know i don't see any indications of any diminished function does he ever has anybody ever asked him about the mma and the boxing and stuff or has carry ever asked him about that he's done other interviews with other people that i haven't listened to so i don't know if it comes up in those because that seems like a different you know how are you training all the time for mma

and also being a super soldier that's transferring from dimension to dimension it's not a hanging out with trump it's not important probably oh that's a good answer that's a good answer i didn't think of that answer yeah wave away those arthur droids you're looking for yeah fair i don't i don't recall it coming up in carry's interviews i didn't watch the second one i only watched the first in the third gotcha guys i didn't i just didn't have time so a couple more clips here from the original interview which make things very confusing for me in this anthony talks about a raid that he went on now let's remember the alignments of the people who are supposedly his superiors yeah this is very confusing i had a recall where i was i was in a black ops you know gear and

everything i was with two squads of uh of operators and we we were in a sewer and we were obviously um doing a raid and then um i actually saw that the next day um q which is q anon posted it up that there was a uh there was actually a raid on the clinton stronghold and borning up and i just kind of i was like okay that that if i was i had this memory recall and then this thing was posted up about this raid on a borning up stronghold i definitely believed that i was i was involved in that okay so that's he had a dream and he saw a q post yeah decided he was there i like that i like that math that checks out for me so the secret space program super soldiers are running raids against the clinton yes i don't know i can't i can't keep track of this

i think i think uh alliances and uh and such change over time yeah i i mean in in their world everybody's eating people for chocolate who knows uh nesra requires strange bedfellows so um this next clip makes me think that anthony is probably a decent hearted person who who actually to to an extent believes the things that he's saying because otherwise i don't know why you would make this up okay now you said you also were involved in if i i wasn't sure if you were talking past life were you involved in hitlers germany uh you seem to be involved in uh in a what nazi situation yes yes but uh from my understanding i was infiltrated as a nazi because i've had many memories of uh being with nazis and um uh as i'm concerned who i worked

for i was infiltrated in on the nazis um you know gathering intel and in all that but um i i do i do i definitely have um you know i i believe that my past life was as a nazi are you doing he carries responses exactly what someone's response would be oh boy oh you do oh okay you wouldn't make that up probably because even if you are presenting it is i was infiltrating them to get information yeah it's still a dicey road to walk yeah i wouldn't it still opens up a oh are you shh i i really feel like that should have been a very obvious question to answer as well uh were were you a nazi well i was not the way to go i was okay i think i was a spot exactly you better know and i've spent a lot of time with nazis but you can even

tell a recognition in the way that he's talking of like this is bad yeah but he's probably had some dreams where he was embedded with the nazi and if he was in the military he's definitely embedded with some nazis and it makes total sense when you consider the sort of way that he conceives of his role as being this spy who goes and infiltrates the umbrella corporation yeah what more evil thing is there than the nazis so obviously if i was doing secret work i would have been doing that sure i if there was a thing to infiltrate it would have been hitlers germany and if he weren't such a bad spy maybe we could have taken down the nazis a lot earlier he probably blew his cover and this is though that was that was the whole valkyrie thing we got tom cruise involved

now this whole thing is terrible i'm telling you that must we got to get better spies that must be what happened so yeah i don't i don't know but to me that's sort of an indication of like a non malicious yes because he's bringing up the nazis almost like a like i so good that i i had to have been involved in trying to take them down which is a pure heartedness on level yeah i might be reading too much into it but you would never bring that up if you were just trying to come up with i feel like you just leave that off the resume yeah yeah especially yeah because you're you're really retconning there too if you're like in my dreams in my past life i would i would remember being around a lot of nazis so i'm assuming that i was a spy

because that leaves a lot of open to interpretation kind of kind of areas right there yeah that is a little i mean it's it's tough but that's it that's like that's almost a reconciliation you know he's like in my past life i was a nazi i know they're bad now so i'm going to hope good that my past life knew they were bad as well i got to assume yeah so we have one last clip here from that interview the original one and i i just left this in because i think it's funny it's anthony discuss he brings up that he watching the x files it's very triggering for him because everything in it is true and everything is real yeah and carrie's response to this is pretty funny oh yeah and then the x files is i mean that triggers me so much because that's just

all the truth right so and then you know my favorite x files is logan you know the logan one no it's you know the wolf guy uh what's his name um anyway he's he it's all about logan he's the the guy who has the swords for the arms you know it's it's all in there it's all in the x files like they say yeah it is two of them are not communicating about the same thing draw me what you think you're telling me carrie i want i want sword arms i want a wolf guy yeah he's a wolf guy i want it all yeah i want it all that's my favorite x files it's it's a great x that's a good file of x

men it's pretty interesting to me that someone whose career is in this space seems to be oblivious about what the x files are and thinks they're the x men and also doesn't know what the x men are doesn't know who wolverine is your favorite movies logan you don't even know his name is wolverine don't even know weapon x don't know it that's it's it's very it's very strange to me i mean it's a great movie but come on i think that is so fucking funny my favorite x file is logan i want to that she should sell that as a t-shirt yeah i would buy one of those so this this episode is it was a little bit difficult sort of trying to figure out exactly how you know how you'd look at this but i think that there's enough stuff in there that that makes it interesting and carrie

is the bad person yeah squarely and anthony is somebody who i think you can look at with compassion to an extent yeah and uh based on what we know yeah yeah and not not treat as any kind of anybody else then somebody who's fallen into something yeah that is way deeper waters than baby it appeared at first yeah the getting involved the ramtha and the jz night nonsense the qanon and now being sort of enabled by a high profile internet show yeah it's very it's very difficult and i don't i don't uh i don't know i it's it's tough it's tough to figure out exactly where the line is of how much empathy people deserve because he's still putting out like messages that are destructive yeah there's still a coronavirus denialism sure there's still

all kinds of you know paving the way for trump's authoritarian moves right there's still you know denial about that and that's still really bad that still needs to be countered with a full-throated rejection and and and denouncement but you know i think someone like this you can take a lot of context clues to see exactly how this came to be right and it's hard not to feel bad for the guy yeah same way as like you know you you hear about somebody who whose dad or mom watched too much fox news and became something that's almost unrecognizable yeah like it's yes the thing is bad but you kind of have a lot of empathy for the path right maybe didn't know you were going down yeah no i mean my my family is a great example of people who've been manipulated

by all of this right wing nonsense but you know they want to believe that shit too so it's like that complicates it further yeah project camilla is way more fun when she's exploiting murderers and fraudsters yeah but when she's exploiting somebody like this it's it's like now we have a clear villain and she's bad yeah yeah but it's part of it yeah you know absolutely no i don't want i i'm glad that we did this because i don't want to give the impression that project camilla is a relatively benign in in that kind of sense as well you know like this this show is destructive along the same lines as info wars yeah perhaps i mean not more so because obviously alex's audience is larger but a lot of the things that are covered on her show are maybe

more insidious because two certain minded people they're so much more attractive yeah like the the escapism and the the potential of like i have superpowers right all this kind of stuff is very much like i have swords for arms right yeah you can get drawn into that and it's really seductive and really attractive and then the real world ramifications of it are things like coronavirus denialism trump boosterism qanon belief like those things are where the road leads and it's not that much different than alex yeah except you would yell about qanon a bit it's the most infuriating thing to know that these people are clinging to these conspiracy theories and the idea that trump is not an amoral monster as a way of feeling safe and in control of things

or at least somebody being in control of things and yet that very feeling of safety is what's killing you you know like that's that's this i feel safe because i think trump is not an amoral monster and because he is you're not safe like it's infuriating yeah you're you're the vector by which your lack of safety becomes assured well that's the modern crisis yeah yeah so anyway yet needed to take a little break from alex and unfortunately this is what project came what had to offer so not quite as uplifting as as maybe a mark richards yeah journey would be but still interesting on some level yeah yeah which is what i aspire for interesting on some level that's my next tattoo anyway we'll be back jordan but until then we

have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight calm yes we are also on twitter we are on twitter set knowledge of this provide and i go to bed jordan yep we are also on facebook we are visible you're done with show go to itunes the rate leave review donate and if you would like please find a local charity in your area and donate to them yep absolutely we'll be back but until next time i'm neo and leo and dzx clerk i am in a thrupple with nessara and jessara andy and chan's us you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you