Knowledge Fight - #445: June 12, 2020

Episode Date: June 15, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss how last week ended on the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex is convinced that a coup was announced on The Daily Show, reveals that he doesn't know anything about the Lincoln assassination, and Dan imagines what Alex's conversation with the Secret Service was like.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight, then enjoy knowledge fight, need money, Andy and Kansas, stop it, Andy and Kansas, I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan, I'm Jordan, we're a couple dudes like to sit around drinking apple to beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan Jordan, Jordan, quick question. What's your bright spot today? Oh, by. Oh, Talenti for Jalala. Jalala is great. Jalala is great treat myself with a little ice cream thing. Oh yeah at the Carmel truffle one. Oh, those are good and I almost broke my hand opening it. I know that's a hack need observation to make those

fucking jars needs to they need to do something about that. That is unacceptable. It's a health hazard. Is that right? No, the jar. Yeah, I lost skin on my hand really trying to open those God worst but that little warm water first. No, it's not going to help. It's not going to help, but they're good. They're damn good. I worry about them being that good because I am not paying that much for ice cream on the regular. It's good. It's a nice little every now and again treat. That is we're recording this before the move. Yes, in anticipation, right? And so like this high stresses of the move required a fair amount of self medicating with ice cream with ice cream. Yeah, that's a smart move. Yeah, so

that's a bright spot. How about you? A classic slapstick comedy. Dan, that is my bright spot today. My my partner. My partner and I. We were. We made pancakes and bacon and eggs last night for dinner. Classic breakfast for dinner routine. Classic breakfast for dinner situation. Okay went to get some eggs. We were out of eggs. Get some eggs went into our box and eggs brought them out. We were walking our dogs at the time. My partner was like, Hey, no, let me carry those eggs for you. I'm about to hand them to her. She grabs, puts one hand into the thing, drops the eggs right on the ground immediately trying to be as helpful as possible. 12 eggs gone. That is not slapstick comedy. Slapstick comedy.

No, classic slapstick comedy. That's dropping a classic slapstick comedy. Did she do a soft shoe? No, no, she didn't. I don't think that that's comedy. No, I think you can laugh at it. There was there was a conversation in the pre that involved like a drop an egg. We got to take care of it and then she did drop the eggs. It was very very simple and direct. All right. Well, perfect. I'll call it comedy. Perfect. So Jordan today. We got an interesting episode to go over. We are talking about June 12th. Twenty twenty. I'm it's Friday of last week and part of the reason for it is that because we have to record this. I'm still as you're listening to this. I'm still in the process of getting

all set up at the new apartment and everything. And so we wanted to not leave you too high and dry. Just wanted to say hello to the future. I'm we're all glad that Martin Luther King Jr.'s granddaughter is the president now. Right. Time travelers are travelers. We're correct. One hundred percent. It's I mostly bring this up just in case any of the things we say sound entirely. Yeah. The world changes within the next three days. Yeah. So man, what do these guys still do in talking about the United States of America? That shit is way old. Cut us some slack. If aliens show up on Monday or something. We're in the past. We don't know that stuff. So we got an interesting load of bullshit to go over. But before we

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how bad I am. That could be anyway. Classic slapstick comedy classic. So Jordan, on our last episode from Monday, we discussed how Alex was going hard on this new video that this woman had put out where she was accusing doctors of killing people in hospital. Totally not suspicious at all. It was over the top. That was on Alex's Thursday show on June 11. Yeah, this does not come back up on the 12. It doesn't come back up at all. What are you talking about? It doesn't come back. It doesn't come back up at all. It seemed on Thursday to be like the most important thing. That was the narrative. Yeah. Yeah. It's not really involved at all. Okay, this episode. Sure. So Alex is on another tip. Okay, the movie

over at the top. No, it is not. It is that Biden has announced a coup. And so they're making their big move. The headlines on info wars.com. Joe Biden says the US military may engage in a coup against the president. That's really what they're saying. They're saying if there's a contested election and Trump contested, is that what they were saying that the military will grab the president. And they're just introducing that idea to you now is that's how you fight a military state is with the military grabbing the president. Total wait, what a reality. So this is something that came from an interview that Biden did on the Daily Show where he said that he was pretty convinced that Trump would refuse

to leave if he lost the election. Biden said that he was convinced that the military would recognize that that was a huge problem if Trump lost the election and refused to leave office and would escort him out of the White House. He's not saying that there's going to be a military coup. Just that in the event that Trump doesn't recognize the result of an election he lost, Biden has faith that it would be handled appropriately. I'm not as full of faith, but I don't think that Biden's position is that outlandish either. I still think there's a decent chance that worrying about Trump not stepping down if he loses is a little premature. There are plenty of circumstantial reasons to be concerned

about that. And I've come a lot closer to worrying about it myself, but it just seems like such an explicit and unretractable move that I have a hard time imagining someone doing it. Not respecting the result of an election is something that couldn't be walked back or undone. It would necessitate a very severe reaction, whether it be the military taking him out or outbreaking hostilities in the general population. I think it's an okay thing to consider and think about what to do if Trump does that. But it's just such a monumentally bad thing that I can't operate as on the assumption that it will happen. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, there's a there's a distinction there of like yeah,

it's a possibility, but like obsessing and thinking like that is what's going to happen. I think like in part of the reason that I think this is that like in 2015 Alex and all his ding dong followers were convinced that Obama was going to call off the election and install himself as the king of a new Islamic caliphate of America. It looked silly to us because obviously it was, but it felt real to them at the time. Sure, and I know that Trump has given far more reasons to suspect that that's the way he would behave. I would say at least three. Yeah, there's an attack on voting rights that's been going on attack on the prospect of mail in voting. There's that you know there is a ton of a complete

inability to recognize the legitimacy of any of his political opponents. Sure. No, I'm a hundred percent on board that there is circumstantial reason to be like you. Let's think about this a little bit, but I just don't want to fall into the same trap as as Alex and is his buddies. I don't I mean the thing about that is is if that were to occur, no one has any idea what would happen beyond all hell would break loose right and there's really no point in planning for all hell would break loose because what the fuck do you? What's the plan on an individual level? I think you can think about what your plan might be. Right. That might be a good plan. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex discusses

how, you know, everybody's got to got to get the word out about Biden. Sure. He's playing. Sure. Sure. The power of you, the audience of activist. Being active and realizing this is an information war and taking the live feed of this show from Bandai video or news wars.com forward slash show and sending it out to your email, sending it out to your text message, calling people physically and saying they admit the coup plot. That means they're getting ready to go live, that they have to get their people to hear that to believe it's legitimate. Two years ago, I briefed a secret service on their plan to remove the president. They didn't even know that globalists were on TV saying they were going to kill

the president like Phil mud of the CIA to prepare the deep state to believe they can actually make the move. You have to telegraph the announcement to create false confidence. I think Alex just debunked himself. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. He's trying to argue that by Biden going on the daily show and saying that if Trump loses and doesn't leave office, he believes that the military will escort him out of the White House. Alex says that him saying that is the equivalent of globalists coming out and announcing their coup plot coup plot. They got to go on TV and make these announcements to ready the crew. To reinforce this argument, Alex brings up how he briefed the secret service about a Phil mud interview on CNN that he

believed to be the same thing, the announcement of a clue a coup plot to kill Trump. Here are the two problems of this. One, that Phil mud interview is three years old and at press time, no plots to kill Trump have been launched. That doesn't seem like it was the announcing of a plot at all, mostly because there was no plot and nothing happened. The second problem is that Alex talked to the Secret Service about this Phil mud interview and they did nothing about it, which clearly indicates that the Secret Service did not think that this was anything serious and it was really just a guy talking shit on TV. You would think if there was an actual instance of Phil mud announcing a coup on TV and Alex briefed the

Secret Service about it, but should have had some consequences. I would think I would bet anything that I own that as soon as Alex left that meeting with the Secret Service, they all lost their shit laughing. I would assume at least one jerk off motion was made right. I decided that I was kind of bored with Alex and I wanted to spread my wings creatively. Okay, so what I've decided to do is take this occasion to write a script of what I imagine that that okay that right in front of you. There is a script. There is a I apologize in advance for my terrible handwriting. All right lines are highlight are highlighted. Thank you very much. You will be playing the role of Secret Service

agent. All right, and I will be the role. I was born to play Alex Jones. All right. So scene interior old school interrogation room lit by a single overhead light shot in black and white sloppy man with a thick neck sits at a table sweating holding a candy cigarette and a cup of cocoa. He's pretending his coffee. I understand that you have information about a plot against the president. You bet I do. This thing goes all the way to the top. I'm talking Rothschilds Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey. You name it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Why don't you just start at the beginning? You ever watch CNN? Oh, sure. You know Anderson Cooper. That guy is the last living Vanderbilt. That's not true. And secretly he's working for the

CIA and he helped cover up Sandy Hook, but my lawyer told me that I should pretend not to believe that last part anymore. So Anderson Cooper threatened Donald. Not directly, but you know who you should really take a look at over at CNN. That guy, Brian Stelter. He looks like a demonic pedophile. Honestly, that seems unfair, sir. I mean, look, look at the way he smiles. It's full of hubris here. Look, I brought a picture of him. Alex hands the agent an eight by ten glossy of stelter then attempts to light his candy cigarette. Okay, so Brian Stelter threatened Trump. Just look at him. Those highs they're evil. I tell you he wants your kids and the only way we could defeat him is by supporting

the info war. And look, I know I said that the Easter special was going to end today, but we've got to extend it until Tuesday. Mr. Jones. Sorry. Sorry slipped into a plug there. I have this rare neurological condition called semi voluntary spontaneous advertisement syndrome. That is not a real thing. It absolutely is. And I have three chiropractors who pretend to be doctors who I've paid to tell me it's real. They've all prescribed me iodine to manage the condition based on redacted studies from the University of El Dorado. The science is good, but the globalists forced the researchers to retract or else they would reveal the location of the Golden City. Okay, so what is this? Have to did the Golden City threaten the president?

I actually know where the Golden City is for my years of studying the globalist white papers. It's under Matt Rushmore. Mr. Jones, I think you're thinking of the plot of national treasure book of secrets predictive programming. All right. I'm going to have to ask you to focus sir. Now we called you in because you claim to have information about a credible threat credible against President Trump. Right, right, right. So on CNN, this guy Phil Mudd. He said government was going to kill Trump. Are you say are you are you sure that he wasn't saying that the difficulty of governing was going to kill Trump, not that a vague entity called the government was going to literally kill him? Absolutely not. This

was a direct threat. Mud was sending up the alarm rising the army of demonic globalist minions to heed the call. Okay, if the government is going to kill Trump, how does an army of demonic globalist minions factor it? These are demonic globalist minions who work in the government like like at the DM at the DMV. The DMV is lousy with globalists. I think I see. Thank you very much for your time. One more thing while I'm here before I leave. Can you get Bill Gates to stop wearing pink sweaters? It really pisses me off. Get out of my office and see. Beautiful. Thank you. Beautiful. For a while since I wrote a sketch. All right. All right. I just think the

what really happened. I'm going to walk you through the creative process. Okay. Yeah, everybody wants to see into your process. You know like let's really get into the way that you make things. I just had an image of Alex sitting under a light in it. Of course, it made me laugh. I was just thinking what a hilarious that would be. I know of a plot to kill the president. See I imagine even in this scenario, he still has to wear handcuffs like they still he's not convicted. He's not accused of any crime, but they're like okay. If you're going to tell us about a plot to kill the president, we need you in hand and one of those Hannibal lecture. Exactly. Yeah. So Alex talks a bit about Phil mud on this episode.

And so he I think Alex is getting into dicey territory here. And when mud went on TV and said we will kill this guy. The CIA will kill this guy. The government's going to kill this guy. That was done to telegraph confidence to their networks embedded in the government that they were trying to get other people to create false whistleblower reports. Come on information of the media and to then finally get somebody else to muster up the courage to poison the president to shoot the president to kill the president. That's what this is is is agitating to hope somebody else does it. Alex won't use the term because he's mocked the idea when people have talked about him doing it.

But what he's trying to say is that he believes that Phil mud is engaging in stochastic terrorism. Mud went on TV and said that the government was going to kill Trump hoping that someone would hear that message and take it as a sign that they should do it themselves. That's what Alex is saying. This is really murky territory for Alex. And honestly, I think it's the last thing he should be introducing as something he's accusing his enemies of. The problem is that he does this all the time. He constantly talks about how his enemies should be killed and how they're all going to burn in hell far more graphically and explicitly than anything Phil mud said. If Alex is directly asserting that Phil mud's comments on TV are legally actionable to the point where he met

with the Secret Service about them because he was you know the mud was hoping someone was inspired to attack Trump because of his comments. Then Alex is asserting that he himself belongs in prison. Okay, so you're saying that he's accusing somebody of a crime that he regularly commits. Oh yeah. Okay, generally when Alex talks about this stuff, he says that mud's comments were part of the lesser magic stuff where the globalists have to announce what they're doing before they do it in order to get magical power out of their rituals. That's stupid, but at least it's not self damning. This angle where mud was trying to inspire lone actors to carry out his goals is a really bad direction for Alex to go down since it heavily implicates his own behavior.

I would have advised it against him. Yeah, if I were in the in the studio, I'd like mail stop it. I mean the only thing that saves him is I don't think I've ever heard him not by his own bullshit as immediately as he was saying it like as he was speaking. He was like you don't believe a goddamn word of this you idiot. You know it and I know it. Stop it. Yeah, so I'm going to I'm going to skip this next clip because it's pointless. It's just Alex saying that his wife found a nail salon that had a no Christian sign. Oh good. I can find no story. I don't want any Christians in my nail salon. I can find no stories about this and I have no idea what he's talking about. So anyway, we get to another one of the big things. So there's the there's the

coup on Trump that Biden announced on the daily show. Yes, which is where you announce a coup. There's that narrative. You got to have Trevor Noah giving you the sign off before you coup. Yeah, he gives you the round. Yeah, he gives you the keep on going. So that's that's a big narrative. And then another one that he's got going is that Biden are not Biden Bolton. John Bolton has his book coming out. Yes. And so Alex is not happy about this course. We have Bolton coming out with his new book claiming impeachable offenses across full range of Trump foreign policy. Well, the impeachable offense would be being stupid enough to bring in John Bolton. But see, they all lied to his face. He's a Fox News Watcher. They told him they supported his policies

and Trump let in the Trojan horse. That's so funny to hear Alex pretending that Trump just got suckered into hiring Bolton because he's a Fox News Watcher and they gave him bad advice. If that's true, then info wars gave Trump bad advice to because Alex supported the nomination of John Bolton. But the word is on Bolton. He knows all the connections. He knows all the players in the State Department in the UN in the Pentagon, and that he will be an apparatchik or a tool, a effective munchkin to use his words to carry out the policies that the president wants carried out. And then he won't sit there and leak information. That was from March 23rd, 2018. And the word on the street that Alex is talking about came from Roger Stone, who Alex directly

says is a 30 year long poker buddy with John Bolton. So I guess that means Roger was giving Trump bad advice that convinced him to make a treasonous hire. Well, yeah, that sounds right. Interesting. Yeah. To Steve Pachennik's credit, he was opposed to Bolton explicitly and consistently, but Alex did not listen to him. Alex thought Roger was more important at the time. But so he took Roger's angle that Bolton would be a tool that Trump could use against his shadow enemies. All that didn't work out so great for everyone. And now Alex is trying to pretend that he was always on the right side of this one. He was always against Bolton hated him from the jump. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Of course he did. This is ridiculous. Hated noted national hero John Bolton

who when in a position of power to do something about those many impeachable offenses was like nah. Can I go for it? Can I write a book later? Can I suggest that there's no harm in just saying like hey look? I thought that this was going to go a different way. Turned out it didn't. What's that? What's the problem with him saying? Yeah, I was led to believe that John Bolton would be someone who would be effective as an apparatchik and it turns out the information that I got was wrong. That's not how it turned out. Nope. There is psychic. He knows everything. There's an absolute inability to just be wrong. Psychic knows everything even when he's wrong. He's right. Trump is always right. Everybody fooled him even though he knows everything and is the smartest

person on the planet. Yeah and God told him that you should hire John Bolton, but even God is wrong sometimes sure not Alex. It's a mess. I don't. I don't. It's got to be exhausting. It's children. Yeah, it's just children. So Alex is still also mad about old Phil mud. He complains about him. I thought he was mad about empty dirt. Come on now. No. Come on now. No. All right. He complains about Phil mud a lot. Okay. Phil mud who's actually related to Dr. Mud, the only other person convicted in the conspiracy to kill Lincoln. He's actually related to the Virginia Dr. Mud involved in killing another president. He can't make this up. So we've touched on this a little bit before, but the only evidence I can find that Phil mud is related to Samuel mud is a

2014 tweet from Jake Tapper. It might be true that they're related or it might not be. I don't know. I'm not really that concerned. There's a sex therapist named Wendy Friesen who I've heard of. I'm not related to her. There's a comedian named Don Friesen. He's not a relative. People have names. It doesn't always mean anything. And if I one day find out that I am related to Don Friesen, I assure you it won't change my life at all. Yeah. And either way, I really don't think I would care what his great grandfather did or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that has any effect. I don't care what my great grandfather. I don't think you can genetically you're not genetically predisposed to kill a president. I think that you are your ancestors.

That's true. So anyway, to Alex's larger point here, Samuel mud was not the only other person charged in the plot to assassinate Lincoln. For instance, David Harold was in the barn with John Wilkes Booth when he was cornered. Harold surrendered, but Booth did not eventually being shot by Boston Corbett, the subject of one of the best episodes of the dollar. Harold was convicted and sentenced to death by hanging along with three co conspirators. This is kind of a big deal because one of them was Mary Serrat, the first woman executed by the US government. Three other conspirators were sentenced to life in prison and one got six years. Dr. Mud was pardoned a few years later since it wasn't really clear if he was in on the plot or may have just been the doctor who

Booth knew who treated someone who was in distress who showed up at his house being unaware of what it just happened. It's not like there was Twitter in 1865. Yeah, Alex is supposed to be this big history buff, but here he is clearly demonstrating the has absolutely zero awareness of the details of one of the biggest events in US history. I strongly strongly suspect that Alex only knows about Dr. Mud because of Nicholas Cage bringing it up in the second national treasure movie because of Alex knows about the Lincoln assassination enough to know who Samuel mud is. It's impossible that he wouldn't know about Mary Serrat. It's ridiculous. Well, I mean it. What do you? What do you pay an attention to women in history for, Dan? Fine. David Harold. Well, what's a guy with

a name like Harold doing there? Come on, man. I just fill mud. Those two things cannot be simultaneously true in my mind. It's ridiculous. If you're an info wars listener and you think Alex knows what he's talking about, you have to ask yourself how could he fuck up something that seriously and that casually? How can he assert a historical claim? It's absolutely and easily falsifiable and then just move on with it. Like the fact that Alex is so comfortable fabricating information about history like that mud was the only other person convicted in the Lincoln assassination. That should be a serious red flag. If Alex is capable of that kind of lie, what else is he asserting as definitive fact that he's just making up a lot of Trump? A lot of

Thomas Jefferson quotes spoiler alert. It's almost everything he talks about pretty much also. Dr. Mudd wasn't from Virginia. He's from Maryland man. Back then. What was the difference really different states? You know in the 1860s though, right? What even was a state? What the fuck is wrong? You don't know. I don't know why even like you could just say Samuel mud was mixed up in the Lincoln assassination. He has a serious claim. No, it is a it is a legitimate pathology. It was legitimately just John Wilkes Booth and Samuel Mudd. Why? Why would it just be those two? Why? Why granted? There was another guy who was along with John Wilkes Booth, but he wasn't involved. They didn't get they didn't convict him of anything. There's the guy who tried to kill

the vice president, but he wasn't involved. You don't need to worry about the vice president. That's not even a crime these days. Come on, Dan. Everybody knows you get one vice president. Everybody gets one. So stupid. Oh man. Now this next clip is just good clean. Okay. I'll just get right to it. At about 830 this morning, I felt a psychic explosion burst. And I and I've learned never doubt these something really good happened at 830 Central this morning. With some devastating victory. I'm not sure what happened. We're going to find out. I think you're going to later learn mark this day. You see the enemy launch everything it's got today. Oh, fire, fire, Bolton. That's because Hitler's in the damn right bunker right now. That's the

new old order, not Trump, but I tell you, I just like I never felt energy this strong or this pure for like 30 minutes. I was basically it was unbelievable. Something really good happened. So 830 on Friday, something amazing happened and Alex had a psychic explosion. Get him into a home. Get him help. I think what is that? I don't know. What is that? I think it's made up. What just happened? I think he's just making stuff. Oh my God. Either way. He needs to be in a home. Yeah, that's weird. But then the other thing that I think is really funny is now whenever Alex mentions Hitler in the bunker. He has to be like that's not Trump. That's not Trump. Trump was in the bunker, but he's not here. They're in the bunker. It's a different thing. I know they look the

similar and they're the same. He's just going for an inspection. He's in a bunker. It was just looking at it. He was just looking at it. Yeah, fucking I do like that that he is so self conscious. Yeah, he's for years. He's been fine talking about Hitler in the bunker, but now he can't do it that that's so sad. That's so sad. Awesome Trump has made all of these people look as pathetic as they always have. It's just it's such a bad. It's so bad. God so poor Lindsey Graham back to complaining about John Bolton here and Alex takes a swing and he whiffs. Trump has done incredibly good things, but I tell you one of them was not hiring Bolton. I mean at the time that happened. Nice. Steve Pachinic flipped out on air and he's got a lot of great sources, but

we know Bolton is a nasty little turd blossom. So here's another example of Alex. I agree with that. No, you don't. Here's and you do you know that he's a nasty turd blossom. No, you don't you don't agree with that. This is you're showcasing the exact same ignorance that Alex does. He doesn't understand the words and what they mean. He thinks that saying turd blossom here is an insult because the word turd isn't it, but there's a very specific term being used in a very specific history. Turd blossom was a nickname that George W. Bush affectionately gave to Carl Rove because of his masterful ability to take a piece of shit and bring a flower out of it metaphorically. Turd blossom is also it's not an insult. It's a term that's really only as the

connotation of admiration, particularly in the realm of politics. It's also the term free flower that grows from manure, but that too isn't a good basis for an insult. I get that Alex wants to compare Bolton to shit, but the flower is the contradiction of the shit, not its extension. The turd blossom is something that's beautiful growing out of something shitty. Alex just heard the term and assumes that it's something pejorative, much like you did because it involves poop in proper context, calling but Bolton a turd blossom is complimenting him. Alex almost never knows what he's talking about. Yeah, but the modifier nasty the modifier nasty kind of overtakes that. I don't think it does. I understand you don't, but even if it is a flower that blooms out

of a turd. If it's nasty, it's still a nasty flower and the realm of politics that term only applies to George W Bush talking affectionately about Carl who is a nasty piece of shit from your perspective, but not from George W Bush is George W Bush is a nasty piece of shit right that you could call him that you wouldn't call him a turd blossom. Of course I wouldn't know that's just a bad that's a compliment. I mean it's just not imagine whatever I disagree with your perspective fine and I'm definitely right. You don't like modifiers. So on the on the recent episode, Alex accidentally did a satanic ritual with a skull, some roses and a chess board that he didn't realize had occult significance and he's had to change scenery

a little bit. Of course he has. And so now he has a new prop he wants to try and get people's attention. Okay. Also, your TV viewer, you're probably asking who is that a statue of that guy there to my right. Well, that is Robert E Lee. What a shock Robert E Lee. That's right Robert E Lee Robert E Lee. Alex has a Robert E Lee statue hanging out. Oh boy. Oh boy. What a strong message to send. We have replaced the skull roses and chess board with a statue of Robert E Lee. You know what I was being too oblique. Let me be more out front. What I wanted to say with the flower, the skull and the chess boy. You wanted to Trump is a racist. He wanted it to be deeply esoteric as a as opposed to this, which is a little blunt. It's very little

blood. It's very blunt. So this turns into a thing where Alex. I don't think he's being defensive, but at the same time he's trying to rationalize why he has a statue of Robert E Lee. Sure. Sure. I can tell you in advance why he's doing it because he loves slaves. What? No, it's because people are tearing down statues. Yeah, and he's trying to get in on that act and trying to be like, hey, oh you people who are mad at statues. Look at me. I have a statue. Why don't you get mad at me and give me free press? Come take down this statue. That's largely the strategy, but Alex has a different rationalization for why Robert E Lee is cool and I think it's bullshit. I mean, that's why people like Robert E Lee. I mean, soap operas have nothing on

this. The North loved Robert E Lee. There were articles by the thousands over the years and just everything because he fought armies on average four to one, five to one and one for three years. Buddy, the North loved racism too. No factories and no munitions and finally no shoes. And so people respected that. So of course they named battleships and aircraft carriers and military bases after southern generals because why in Russia and in Japan. That doesn't sound right. UK. You know who they study in military affairs? Robert E Lee General Stonewall Jackson because the Civil War is a very important time. Short, short, short, buddy. And people love the underdog.

And the Civil War was not about slavery. It was about Western expansion. I could. I can suggest a group of people who are even further an underdog and that would be slaves. Yeah. Well, everybody loves an underdog unless the underdog is the person on the when you in chains underdogs aren't I don't know. I think generally speaking in terms of like the big picture fighting without shoes is not why people love Robert E Lee. Are you sure? Yeah, are you sure? I'm pretty sure. And also the Civil War is definitely about slavery 100 percent to prove the second point. I'd like to cite my unimpeachable source. One of the greatest historians who's ever lived Alexander Emmerich Jones. I remember this part. Yeah, if you've

ever listened to our show or listened long enough, you'll notice that Alex has two different stories about the Civil War that he likes to trot out depending on what point he's trying to make. Whenever there's a situation in the world where black people are rightly asserting their right to equal treatment and the conversation of the history of post slavery America comes up, Alex tries to invalidate all of those arguments by saying that the Civil War was fought to free the slaves and you know when you really think about it black people should thank white people for ending slave. Well, white people did end slavery. That's his argument in in order to robot those arguments. However, when it comes to defending the Confederacy, whenever Alex needs

to justify his absurd support of Confederate generals without sounding racist or trying not to sound racist, he's quick to point out that the Civil War wasn't about slavery. He'll often say that it was about states rights or the economy, both of which are just code words that people use to deny that the Confederacy succeeded over slavery. Sure, it was states rights, but the particular right of the state that was in question was slavery. They even put it in their whole little secession thing. Yep, they put it front center. Sure, it was the economy, but the economic concern was being able to maintain an economy that relied on slavery. Well, free labor does help things. It's all obfuscation and in this instance it's no different. Alex is saying that the Civil

War was about Western expansion. What do you think he means by that? Could it possibly be about whether or not newly admitted states to the union would be slave or free states? The Missouri compromised banned slavery west of the Missouri, west of Missouri, excuse me, which would be a problem for any of the Confederate states and people who are landowners there who might be interested in asserting their state right to have an economy that worked off free labor of slaves in any of that new land. So Western expansion. Yes, of course it's an issue, but at the bottom of it also slavery. Well, there was slavery. Alex knows damn well what the Civil War was about, and you can tell because he's explicit about it being about slavery when he wants black people

to shut up and thank white people for ending slavery, ignoring the fact that he claims to literally be his ancestors who he said on many occasions fought for the Confederacy. Yes, but they were fighting for states rights to keep slaves, not for slavery. It's very. It's a little much. It's constitutional. It's a little much. It isn't. It is constitutional, and that might be an issue. Yeah, so Alex gets to talking more about Robert E. Lee. Sure. Going on a real I want to hear about. Yeah, I want to hear lies about Robert E. Lee. This one confused me a little bit about what Alex was trying to say. Okay, and then I figured it out, but he expresses it very poorly Robert E. Lee. Why? Why? Why hear about Robert E. Lee? What's the point? Like a okay the

commander of the Confederate forces because he's one of the greatest generals like Alexander the Greater. George Washington. He, by the way, Washington had no genetic. What? What? What? Prodigy. Progeny. The family that Washington adopted was his family. So he was grew up in George Washington's family. His father was a famous top general in the Revolutionary War. I mean, he did not want to split the country into and so that's what I'm saying is Robert E. Lee was an amazing person. I have no idea what the fuck Alex was trying to say there, but it sounded a lot like he was saying that Robert E. Lee was adopted by George Washington, which isn't isn't true. I kind of feels like that. Yeah, George Washington had two adopted

children, John and Patsy Custis. Also just for fun, it would be impossible because the Washington and Robert E. Lee's lives didn't overlap. Sure. Robert E. Lee married Mary Anna Randolph Custis, who was the granddaughter of John Custis and thus the step great granddaughter of George Washington. Direct lineage. I'm not sure what I like that. Alex understands this lineage or how meaningless that is, but the fact that he's speaking so unclearly here makes me pretty worried that he doesn't know the full story. I think what it means is that Robert E. Lee knew George Washington right and he wanted to keep the country exactly. That's what Robert E. Lee was about. After his father in law died, Robert E. Lee took on the responsibility of running the

Custis family plantation, which did include slaves. His father-in-law's will said that the slaves were to be freed within five years. And after five years, Lee did free those slaves, but he did wait until the last minute. There's a good piece in the Atlantic that deconstructs the myth of General Lee being a good man who just wanted to keep the country together. Oh, he just wanted to keep the country together. He was not. He was a monster. Oh, right. From that article, quote, Lee's heavy hand on the Arlington, Virginia plantation prior rights nearly led to a slavery fault in part because the enslaved had been expected to be freed upon their previous master's death and Lee had engaged in a dubious legal interpretation of his will in order to keep them as property,

one that lasted until the Virginia court forced him to free them. He didn't want to free the slaves that he had that he had inherited, but they made him do it. Wait, are you are you telling me that a Confederate general didn't want to free his slaves? Well, that's one of the things that all these people talk about is like he freed the slaves that he inherited. Yeah, the courts made him. No, I wouldn't have. No, I literally because I remember because I read that piece in the Atlantic and I remember like I had this huge flashback to when I was in like third or fourth grade. Yeah, hearing about the civil war and hearing really, really nice shit about Robert E. Lee the whole fucking time. Like it was insane to me and especially looking back like. Wait a second,

why are you guys spending a quarter of this civil war thing on how great the losing general was because he kind of have to. I don't know. Don't I know. Now he sucks. He was also a cruel asshole who split up families, which was actually against the standing tradition at the Custis Plantation. That was his innovation. Well, he's, you know, again, great general from this Atlantic article quote Lee's cruelty as a slave master was not confirmed to physical punishment in reading the man the historian Elizabeth Brown priors portrait of Lee through his writings prior writes that Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families by hiring them off to other plantations and that quote by 1860 he'd broken up every family but

one on the estate, some of whom had been together since Mount Vernon days. The separation of slave families was one of the most unfathomably devastating aspects of slavery and prior wrote that Lee's slaves regarded him as quote the worst man I ever see and that's not all when Lee was in charge of the army of northern Virginia they invaded Pennsylvania and quote enslaved free black Americans and brought them back to the south as property prior writes that quote evidence links virtually every infantry and cavalry unit in Lee's army to the abduction of free black Americans with the activity under the supervision of senior officers. Robert E. Lee is at best a horrible piece of shit and Alex is not defending him because he's good at battle strategy. It's

because he was the commander of a racist army that tried to overthrow the American government because they couldn't own people anymore fuck him and fuck Alex Jones to this is ridiculous. Yeah as revisionist nonsense embarrassing you're talking about a guy who's worse than normal slave owners. That's how awful this guy is the worst human beings in the world own people and he's worse than them so right. Yeah. So Alex gets to talking about how like he's in trouble right. I mean there's going to be some bad stuff coming if the globalists get their way. I don't know. I guess Robert E. Lee is going to come back. So you've got these commies in the Seattle autonomous zone right. Sure. Sure. They're doing their thing. Yes. Yes. African warlords but that's

a distraction. Okay. Okay. I told you civil wars coming. They're just getting started. These people of the cover for MS 13 Chinese operatives and others that are actually lazing targets all over the United States literally and figuratively to make their move when they overthrow and kill Trump or drug him up and say he's had a mental breakdown or a stroke. They're going to hit a lot of people you're less crazy. No they're going to hit talk show host members of the Senate. They'll kill Ron Paul. They'll kill Ted Cruz. I'm not I'm not saying don't. He's he's analyzed their attack profile. So he's figured out that they're going to take out talk radio. All right. All right. So Bundy's occupy National Port National Park. Totally fine. Right. No Chinese involvement there.

Malhoor Refuge. Yeah. Absolutely no problem. No some people without guns. Some of them with guns but the large majority making art. They're the ones that the Chinese have chosen to assassinate Ron Paul and so on. They're the distraction for the kill. Gotcha. Gotcha. Come in and take out Ron Paul Alex Jones. So all of their security system is like we got to figure out what's going on with Chas before we can ever deal with anything. I guess so and the Chinese are like haha. They sent their security teams to Seattle. It's convoluted. Okay. So Alex gets pretty mad about Tim Cook in the middle of this episode for sure. And he starts yelling about China and how they treat Muslim Uyghurs and so here's a little bit of

treating them about as bad as Robert E. Lee treated. Sorry. Apple benefits from forced Uyghur labor and its iPhone supplier factories in China. According to explosive report business insider. Apple, Samsung and Sony among 83 global brands using Uyghur Muslim forced labor in factories reports fines independent. They call that a Robert E. Lee major companies allegedly using link to Muslim slave camps. But they've got Colin Kaepernick and he's got a bozo haircut. So it's like oh okay wait a minute Kaepernick's got a bozo haircut. So we need to bow down to like okay I'm not going to ask questions. I mean so Alex is right. I mean not the bozo haircut thing. That's just him being a bigot but massive. Alex is right that there are very serious issues

that need to be addressed about the state of China's treatment of the Muslim population. Totally. But I will absolutely never trust Alex to be a credible voice on the subject. He can be right about a central point and also be completely wrong and detestable at the same time. One of the main reasons is because he doesn't mean what he says here. He's trying to use the plight of the Uyghur population in China as a prop to attack China pretending he cares at all about the actual people he's talking about. But he doesn't. He doesn't give a shit about these people past the point he can use them as a blunt instrument to attack his imagined enemies. And I know that because of this something he said less than a month ago on May 26th.

But from Michigan to Texas from London to Los Angeles from Rio de Janeiro to Berlin there are called the prayers. I don't want to come in as Chinese but they don't put up with that because they know it's a group trying to take them over. Hey Chi comms do your thing don't try to take me over. When Alex wants to attack Apple he cares very deeply about China's treatment of Muslims. When he wants to spout his outrageous Islamophobia and convince his audience that Islam is trying to take over the West he encourages China to do their thing. It is a really good case example for why even if you kind of agree with the main point behind what Alex is saying you can't ever let yourself agree with him. He doesn't agree with himself and if you ever consider him an ally

because of a point you seem to agree on it'll look like a mistake in hindsight. All the left leaning people who thought that Alex was cool because he attacked George W. Bush come to mind here. No matter the subject you're passionate about and find yourself thinking Alex is right about whether it's Bush hating or opposition to civil asset forfeiture or denounce a China's treatment of Muslims you will always be able to find a smarter more credible source than him on every single issue. People who actually care and they mean what they say who are more than just intellectual sadists trying to take advantage of an audience like that's all he's doing. Yeah you can't pretend to care and then be like hey China do your thing because Islam's trying to take over. You can't do

you can't do both if you care. Yeah it's it's it makes me think so much of this like forced deference given to so many politicians by the the media and the the rules of reporting wherein you know you report what a politician says or something like that there's no accounting for bad faith like I don't believe a fucking word Mitch McConnell says even if Mitch McConnell said literally everything that I believe straight into a camera and said we're going to do it I don't care I don't believe a thing you say you're acting in bad faith. Yeah you don't get the protections of your words when you're clearly acting in bad faith that's what Alex does all the time. Yeah and that and that's kind of weaponized by him. Exactly it's why all of them because you can't really argue

with the conclusion that you know there's something needs to be done about Muslim treatment in China. Absolutely but you can't sign up for his version of it because it'll take you down a road that you don't want to be on exactly and isn't what you signed up for. So this leads to describe as an intensely homophobic discussion or why not because he's complaining about Tim Cook in Apple working with China. Right. So he plays a clip of Tim Cook and it just turns into him sort of preoccupied with the fact that Tim Cook is gay. It's great. It's very childish. Cool. Here let's hear from Tim Cook real quick. Virtuous signaling hopping around. He doesn't have a pink sweater or an afro. He's gay. I run slavecaps. But I'm gay. That's his cover. Here it is.

Hello everyone. The unfinished work of racial justice and equality. Call us. I run slavecamps but I'm gay and I'll start over a minute. I'm on 12 hits of ecstasy right now. Here let's start over. Hi. Hi. Listen. I like men's weenies. So it's okay if I run slavecamps. All right. Okay. I mean let's hear from Tim Cook again. Sorry. So I mean like he's working on a new impression. It's I think he's working on Tim Gunn not Tim Cook. There's a I mean that's a terrible impression. It's deeply homophobic. Incredibly. It's childish. It's disgusting. Yeah. And he managed to offend. I mean that was bigotry on just every level. What's interesting to me is that like it goes on for a while. We're not going to listen to more because it's just basically the

same thing over and over again. Just saying weenies and stuff. Yeah. But like he every time he gets to the end of the riff he and he's like I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Like there is he he hasn't been doing that as much lately as I used to see. Like he used to do that quite a bit like that. Like just going off and being like sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. It seems like that that's a behavior that I haven't seen in a while. Probably meaningless. It doesn't signify anything. So he does that out to break and he comes back and man he's going to hit some of these like big topics. There's an article up on info wars dot com. It's very cringe worthy. It's very hard to watch. I'll be honest with you. I tried to watch it twice only watch it halfway through. We're going to do it together.

But this is a bunch of Hollywood stars looking completely inauthentic. You would know more funny than a plastic banana. The three dollar bill telling us about how they're bad and they're white and they apologize and they're going to be better now. If you don't like that video, why are you wasting your time? Like what's the what's the point? Dan? I don't like that video. Did you have any instinct to bring it up and waste our time talking about it? No, I didn't. Okay. It wasn't a thought. I had seems like a healthy impulse. I wasn't like here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to derail this conversation right completely and then just say apropos of nothing. White liberal celebrities hate him. I mean, like he's pretending that

there's like world leaders listen to his show and he's taking his time to complain about celebrity videos and like sure. I mean, there's plenty of criticism. If you want to tweet something, go for it. But it just seems like a like trivial compared to what he should be covering based on how he views himself and the fact that he's like I tried to watch it twice. Why? I haven't tried to watch it once. I did. I get it. I get it. I don't need to watch it. I get it. I got through about five seconds and I was like that's all right. I don't know who knows. I don't care who cares. So now, Jordan, this blew my mind. I lost my mind in the middle of this episode. What were you reading about? Kristen Bell? She's a landlord. Did you know I heard that? I saw a

tweet on Twitter. I don't care again. We're not going to waste our time. Hold on. I want to derail this conversation. I don't care. I'm just kidding. I still don't care either. So this blew my mind. Yeah, I don't even know. I'm not even going to try to set this up. I've not heard this theme music coming in and out of break, but it was very out of place. What is happening? All right. We are back live broadcasting worldwide. And we are joined by Lee Stranahan. Really appreciate investigative journalists. He's worked for Breitbart. He's worked for the Huffington Post. He's worked for the Cable or Elves.

That juxtaposition is fucking amazing. He comes in with shake it like a salt shaker man. It's a family show. He's playing skeet. So much they call her Billy Ocean man. If info wars had a booty, it'd be big. Ladies and gentlemen, we got Lee Stranahan. If you had any principles, Alex, you would not listen to music. Just period. You're not allowed to have any because it's not for you. Yeah. Oh, I should say this. I forgot earlier. I just remember this because of the family show with the shake it like a salt shaker. This is the out of context drop from today's show. Imagine being an orgy with John Bolton trying to get a heart on. I mean, just come on. Sorry,

family show. Delay that probably delayed that. That'd be smart. I love the idea that he's sitting around thinking about what it would be like to be at an orgy with John Bolton trying to get a boner. It's like one of those. It's like one of those high school camping trips. You know, everybody's sitting around looking out of the stars and somebody's like, do you believe in God? And the other guy's like, do you ever wonder what it would be like to be in an orgy with John Bolton trying to get a heart on? It's an interesting glimpse into Alex's mind because I can tell you that I have not considered that. Now I am considering it. How is it going? I could probably do it,

but you think so? Yeah, probably. I mean, if it wasn't John Bolton, like if it was just someone who looked exactly like him, I think I'd be fine. But if it was John Bolton, I have a lot of questions. There would be a lot of issues. Yeah, I'd have a lot of like. Hey man, let's talk about a rock. If we're going to do if we're going to do orgy jokes. I mean, come on. If you're at an orgy with Roger Stone, one you expect to see him there, so you're already prepared. How do you do? Even if even if you're like, I didn't know Roger Stone was going to be at this orgy. You were like Roger Stone is going to be at an orgy. Even if it's like a mask affair. You're going to see the two you see you see the dick Nixon and you're like

that's a dick. I need over here. Yeah, so I mean yeah. That was that was derailing a little bit on my part. I apologize, but we needed to hear that out of context. Serving any time Alex says it's a family show. We have to it's got to be. So anyway, at least trying to hands on and his interview sucks, but he wants. He's explaining that like the globalist. What they're doing is they're taking this domestic issue, which would be. I don't know like people being murdered by the police right and they're escalating it up. They're amplifying it. I'm confused how you can amplify that. We don't really need to talk about that because I don't really care about his argument. Yeah, you'll see why I kept this clip in pretty quick. They take an internal issue.

They gin it up, right? America's got a history of, you know, slavery and everything else, like but they know that they've been able to take over the civil rights movement. As you know, that's what the anthropologist or sociologist does what the CIA's main mission is. Alex is eating. It's he's just having lunch. So at least on now, he's in a sandwich. You. How do you not feel incredibly disrespected by that? I mean it's it's very rude. I can't imagine being on a show. I really assholes. Yeah, I can't even imagine it either because like your time is valuable. Comcast is the Alex Jones

of companies in that they should be removed from this earth brutal. Yeah. I mean, if you are somebody who is like least ran a hand, you fancy yourself an investigative journalist. Time is valuable. Who's like I am a professional. I do serious work. You talk to Alex and he's just chowing down. Chopping on a sandwich rude. That is rude. It's fucking rude. I'm doing that to callers. I also understand doing that to least ran. I'd be fine with that, but I would be it would be more fun if it was an open sign of sure, as opposed to the thing he's trying to keep on the low. I'm not saying that the people that Alex talks to don't deserve all the disrespect in the world. Anybody who agrees to be on info wars that isn't that guy who hits stuff with a hammer

and I don't actually know if that guy is cool or not, but he seemed to be fucking with Alex. If you go on info wars, like if they ask you to come on and you make a joke out of it, I don't hate you for that, but everybody else fuck off. Yeah, you deserve to have a sandwich eating exactly. That's my point. Yeah, but I've spoken too soon. I forgot that least ran a hand has a gigantic new project. Oh no, and I respect the hell out of this and I probably want a booking and I got a new show called populous TV. It's 11 o'clock on my Twitter feed. People can watch it there. That's not a TV show. That's not a that's who that's a stream and on Twitter. Wow. So Alex talks to Lee for a little bit and it's mostly about like Soros is running

Black Lives Matter and all this like Soros runs and sure, sure. Now things get real interesting because Steve Pachinick shows up. Okay. So now at least ran a hand is there on hold, but Alex needs to talk to Steve and they talk about Alex is going to introduce him here. It's just so pathetic. This is just pathetic. Welcome back. I'm Alex Jones, your host. I really appreciate under Steve Pachinick popping in on short notice, but he's really been critical and almost broke with Trump when he brought in Bolton. I agree. It was an insane idea, but Bolton you didn't then himself lied to him. Alex can't cop to the fact that he was fucking wrong. Can't do it. Yeah, he can't do it. Can't do it. It's insane. He's introducing

Steve and Steve was 100 percent against Bolton. And then and trying to convince Alex to be against Bolton, of course, and Alex did not go along with it. He can't acknowledge it. He cannot ever cowardly. You can never lose. You can never be wrong. You can never admit for one second that you had something to learn because when he was 14, he knew everything. Yeah. So anyway, Steve is on and he's got some shit to talk about John Paul. Sure. Why not victory lap for Steve? That is kind of what I was looking forward to. Well, it's not as good as you think it is, but but there is something that's pretty great. Okay. There's always a vulnerability that a political appointment can manipulate and in turn the president manipulates the candidate.

So you have a mutual kind of manipulation. In this particular case, Bolton knew a lot about Trump and my suspicion is his sexual activities, which Bolton had been part of many, many years ago in New York. I'm not going to go into further detail. Please don't disagree. One, first, I'm going to need you to confirm or deny whether or not there was a video of Reagan getting pegged. And two, I want to know more about what Bolton was doing at that fucking orgy with Trump and I want to know why Stone wasn't there and I guess I don't know, man. I guess Bolton's got sexual blackmail on Trump. Does anybody not have sexual blackmail on Trump? I don't know, man. I feel like I do now. It's exasperating at a certain point. Just like these sorts of things are like,

yeah, right? I mean, I guess if Bolton does have sexual blackmail on Trump, you'd assume it's in that book, right? I mean, I know he's him of like treasonous stuff. Well, I mean there's treason, and then there's revealing that you cheated on your wife. Okay, there there is a code of ethics among men. You're like a bro code. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you see that mustache. You know that's a guy who lives by bro code. Fucking nonsense. I don't know. I don't know what this is, but I like. I like that Steve's still swinging. I like the idea that sexual blackmail is way more damaging than revealing treason. I do. I do appreciate the blackmail standards are very different. I mean to be fair. I haven't read that book that right is putting out, so I don't know.

Maybe there is something about this swinging in there could be, but also maybe Bolton doesn't want to bring that up because it would implicate himself in it could be. Yeah, well it seems like he should be implicating himself in the very treason that he's describing on account of him watching it and not doing anything about it. If you're committing, if you watch somebody commit treason, don't you commit treason. He told the lawyer. I'm not part of this accessory. If you if you're like next to somebody committing a murder and they were talking to you about and they're like, hey, I'm going to go murder this guy and you were like. How can I help as long as that's called accessory as long as you certify with a

lawyer that like I'm not. I'm not with this murder. Don't remember the Nuremberg trials working like that, but okay. Okay, so Steve's got this idea that Bolton's got sexual blackmail on Trump. Share this doesn't develop any further, but Lee strand a hand still there. He comes in with what I think is the most exciting piece of juicy right wing media gossip. All right. This is exciting. Okay. Here we go. Huge if true. Okay. So Lee is talking about like when he says Steve, he's talking about Steve Bannon who apparently hates Alex and has been trying to destroy him. Good. And Alex, I don't know if you know this, but this is firsthand from the people involved. Steve is working with Mike Serinovich and Jack Vasovic now.

I know people who are working directly with them and they told me their goal was to destroy you that they wanted, they wanted to get all, and this is at the time when those guys were on the network and somebody who worked directly with them said they would talk all the time about destroying you. So Steve, you could not be more right. And again, this is not conjecture. So when he says Steve, you couldn't have been more right talking to Stevie P. Right. But he's also, what he's referring to is that Steve was talking about like these people, they're all envious of you. But envy is not the same thing as jealousy, because envy is I want to be that person and destroy them and not make them able to do.

Right. It's very big, flattery stuff. All right. All right. And now Lee is coming in. It's Steve Bannon is working with Jack Pasobak and Mike Serinovich to destroy Alex Lee. He was eating a sandwich while talking to you and he put you on hold for Steve. To talk about Bolton having sexual black. You not praise this man. How dare you? I just love the some fucking spine. If I could do this all over again, and we had a third person here. I would love to have written a script of Bannon, Jack Pasobak and Mike Serinovich trying to take down Alex. Oh God. Okay, so what I'll do. Okay, right. What I'll do is I'll go to Comet ping pong pizza. I love it. Keep going that. I find demonic activity there, and then I'll go get on info

war. Love it. Love it. Do you have more coke? Yes. Okay, more plans. What a what a group of losers. Is it that all of these fucking shitty losers are? Oh God, I can't. I mean obviously the potential of other people getting hurt in the process is high. Yeah, but I love the idea of there being like a rogues gallery or a justice league of right wing shit heads trying to take down Alex because they think that so how they'll be like take his place or something good. Oh God. See now all I think of more is just how awful the Algonquin table would have been if it was filled with right wing douchebags. What it seems pretty unsufferable. That's fair. That is fair. So I mean we're just about at the

end of this like it really ends up becoming a thing where like Lee and Steve are just sucking up to Alex there just flattering him to a level that is almost uncomfortable. It's kind of gross to listen to. Yeah, Lee is correct. I mean, I believe everything you say and I'll tell you why Alex. The one thing you have to understand my dear friend is that you create envy not just jealousy but envy out of nowhere you come in. To be clear, this is Steve restating his point. Yes. He's already said this. Okay, great. You're very effective. You're very funny and at the same time you're very serious and you create it. Oh my God, millions of people who enjoy what you do. That is the basis of threatening the sociopaths who cannot create a company who cannot do anything

but self-aggrandizement and process and that was abandoned. But you have to understand the same way. The same reason they hate you or Trump or Stranahan or anybody exactly. Why they hate America because America is the controlled. There's other reasons for people not liking the group of people you just mentioned. That is an acceptable thing to say if you are absolutely shitfaced and there is no one else around and you had a bar and it is four a.m. You can be like you know the people think it's because they envy you. Yeah, man. It's because I know you're saying because they they're not just jealous. It's because you're too good man because you're too good. Yeah, that's why you're not going to get J. F. L. You're too funny. Yeah, it's it's silly and

oh God. I wish I would have cut this clip but it was in the middle of stuff that just wasn't worth it. It would have to have been either like a two second thing or ten minute. Exactly but Steve was talking about how he started Tom Clancy business is he's talking about like these business. Maybe he is drunk. He's talking about all these businesses. He started as like I started Tom Clancy enterprise. No you see now that's some drunk shit right there. That's the same night the same night like you're too. I don't think it's. I don't think it's drunk coming from Steve. I think it's more like in the same on him. Yeah, he's just insane. He's just crazy person off the charts. So we only have one last clip here and he's cuts. Alex has cut Steve loose because he

was just there to shit on Bolton right of course and I have to believe. I mean I don't know if this is the truth, but I have to believe that that Steve called Alex and was like I mean come on. I was right about both. I'm going to come on and glow right right right pretty short. Yeah pretty short appearance. Okay. But least right hand still on for a couple minutes afterwards. And he has this really shitty idea. The thing Trump has to do is do what the base wants him to do. Pardon stone and pardon Manafort especially because Manafort actually knows what's going on with Russia gate. He was trying to warn Trump and that's why they got. He should bring Manafort back on the campaign to piss in their face. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's what they should do. They

should pee in people's faces. I don't understand these guys. Does he know Manafort personally? Lee or Alex Lee. I don't understand why anybody. It's possible they've like run in similar circles at some point. Yeah, that's just the only thing. Used to work at Breitbart. So like Manafort did. Yeah, no, no. Lead. Yeah, yeah. Because otherwise possible. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense to me why you'd want to pardon why you would say out loud pardon Manafort. I think I mean if I had to be a cynical minded person about it. I would say it's some of the same reasons that you'd want to pardon Roger and that is that they know a lot. Totally. You don't want them right to spill the beans. Right. But I mean that's if you're in that kind of I guess but it's their whole economy blows

up. If a lot of yeah, that's true. The the the whole the not the entire right wing ecosystem, but particularly that of Alex and the sort of associated figures. A lot of the like sycophantically pro Trump, especially people who associate with Alex because Roger was basically running in for a while. Totally. You know, like those people really have a vested interest in someone like Roger never being honest. Right. And I'm sure it's similar, but without the like media focus with Manafort like he knows a ton of shit. I know it's just wild to me because it's like there's yeah he did that shit man. You know it and I know it. He's a bad dude. And if you don't think that he did that shit, don't stick your neck out for him. He's done all the other

shit like if it weren't for Trump being president, we could have gotten him on so much more shit. Yeah. But again, I mean like Roger and Manafort both work together and they're consulting for right with the dictators for years. Disgusting human being. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. I just should have been prison when there were nine. I don't know how they got to this far. Maybe nineteen nineteen maybe. All right. I want to put miners in prison. No, I just can't imagine stone Roger by the time he was nineteen was working on Nixon's campaign. So like yeah, get him in there. Get him in there. So I mean we come to the end of this and this episode is you know it is what it is. I'm fascinated by the fact that on Thursday Alex was so preoccupied

with this video from this yeah this nurse in New York and it completely falls off on Friday. He's now preoccupied with an interview Biden did on the Daily Show. It just there's there's little coherence. There's a very minimal amount of coherence to this. You can't you can't be that obsessed with that video and then just forget about it the next day like at least mention it right. Does he mention it? I don't I mean I feel like I would have remembered if he did. If he did it was in such passing that it was yeah not important at all. I just don't understand these people. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty tough to but I think you know what I think I think there's a possibility that he recognizes that like there's nothing new on that front

today. It'll be still there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. It can sit for a while. Let's focus on trying to build something out of this Biden Daily Show. Right. See if we can get that to the point where it's another plate. We're spending right. I think that there's a possibility for that but it does like as a listener it does feel a little bit jarring yeah for it to be like they're killing fucking people in hospitals and this video proves it and then it just be like a Biden's on the Daily Show. There just can't be very strange if you if you have any belief in what it is you're saying. There's no possible way that you can spend a whole show on all doctors are murdering people for money. Yeah and then the next day be like you see what Biden said

on the Daily Show. It's very weird. That's the biggest story in the world of doctors are murdering people. It should be and that's kind of a tell that they're not serious exactly but I honestly think that the most important thing on this episode is that Alex thinks that only two people were charged in the assassination of Lincoln. You think so. You think that's the most important because it's so telling. It's so dumb. It's so revealing of how little he knows like I would say that the assassination of Abraham Lincoln is. I mean there's a lot of very important events that shaped the American history but that is a gigantic one. Oh no. You know his vice president was really trustworthy. A lot of people wanted him to really. I think I think he did a great job.

I think with sober eyes with clarity you could say that it's probably top time. I don't think anything went wrong with that. So I just think it's remarkable that he doesn't know that story at all. Yeah. You know I didn't know how many people were charged. I understand I didn't know the specific number and that's why I didn't say and the only other person charged in this because I didn't know but I would assume I don't know if you would know like I don't know what everyone's awareness base is but I would assume that you would have known that it wasn't just two people. Oh yeah no there were there were a but I mean Mary Serrat is also a very important thing that's taught in history. She's the first woman to be murdered

by the United States government and it's such a piece of the story of the Lincoln assassination that it seems impossible to educate yourself on the subject and not know about her and if you know about her then you can't say that mud is the only other person who is charged and if you know about what happened after the assassination you know that Booth fled with Harold so you know that like there's another person who was with him that got captured like you can't think that Alex is just fucking stupid and when you see things like that that to borrow from a philosopher named Alex Jones that's a Rosetta stone through which you can see all of Alex's bullshit everything just makes stuff up you got it confidently exactly confidently that confidence is terrifying yeah it

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