Knowledge Fight - #452: Jordan Takes The Wheel 4

Episode Date: July 3, 2020

Today, Jordan takes the reigns on the show and tells Dan about an episode of content he watched on One America News. In this installment, Jordan discusses Graham Ledger and Dan fantasizes about how Roger Stone could better use his last few weeks before prison.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Hey everybody, welcome back to fight knowledge. I'm Jordan and then this is a little show where sometimes I take over and derail a better show in order to, you know, approximate some better subjective says. Okay, that's humility on my part. Thanks, Dan. Oh, what is the show? Well, today, Dan, I'm going to do a little talking about a guy named Graham ledger from one America news. Okay, network. All right, before you do that plan, do you have a bright spot? But before I do, yeah, well, I didn't ask you. This is the first time you've

messed up your side of the. That's not true because you didn't say that this is a show where we drink, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit, which is what leads into the whole shit. Right. So what's your bright spot? Damn it. Dan, my bright spot is ARCA released a new album. Okay. And it's all avant garde experimental. Cool. Yeah. But he did a song with Bjork. And it's been a long time since I've heard any Bjork and this song is so fucking Bjorky. It is the most Bjork that I've it's concentrated Bjork. It's been a while. One of the few artists who you can really credibly turn their name into an adjective. It's really Bjorky. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I'm glad you have some new experimental avant garde nonsense. That's what I like. What's your

bright spot, Dan? This is going to be paradoxical because this is also a little bit involving the year of the. But it's also not necessarily a bright, bright spot. It might be the lowest spot. It might be. Okay. But in its terribleness, it serves as a reminder that I'm sometimes prophetic. Okay. On our last episode, I discussed how with seltzers, there's some flavors that are best not for some to try. And one of the examples that I pulled out of the air was good and gather. Don't fuck with cucumber stuff. So you found good and gather. Well, I did have this in the fridge and I was worried about it, which is probably why it came out. Sure. I got a mint cucumber from a good and gather, which is a target brand. All right. It is the worst I've had. The worst seltzer

period all the way all the way. What's every sub ten? It's a ten because I think it's possible for something to be worse. Ten out of a hundred trash, just absolute trash. And here's why why if you get cucumber flavor and you supplement that with something like mint, which adds a little bit of I don't know. I don't know if umami is the right name, but it adds a little bit of a savoriness to it. It adds a little salty complexity to it with the water. All right, you end up with pickle. That is a pickle seltzer and it's gross. You drank pickle juice. I like pickle juice. This was disgusting with pickle juice. It's great because it's super concentrated and you can have a tiny bit of it when you're eating a pickle or something and it's like oh look at that burst

of salty greatness. This is supposed to be a refreshing seltzer drink. It tastes like a goddamn pickle and it's gross. So fuck you could gather. You're now the worst. I gotta get you a soda stream just so you can put pickle juice in there and get really carbonated juice. I mean you can then you can really compare the two. I do think the end of the year the seltzer is obviously me getting a of course. Of course. I think that is how this all pays off. You have to make your own. But I can't do that now because if I do then it'll take away from my ability to try a bunch of other ones. Sure. So anyway, go fuck yourself. Good and gather. You've surprised me with your disgustingness. Take that John Rappaport. Yeah. You've been replaced. John Rappaport owns targets seltzer

division. That's what we can blame him for. That's what we can blame him for for sure. Well, that's a wonderful bright spot. Well, it's because I was right. Yes, you were right. That's why it's a bright spot. Although it's gross. It actually was a it's one of the only seltzers I can actually think of that I took like two sips of and just poured the rest out. Oh no. Yeah, yeah. Straight up. Well, the first one was like bad. Yeah. But then I was like, is it that bad? Got it. I took a second one and then dump the rest of the bucket out. Oh man. Bucket. Yeah, it's a bucket. It's a bucket. It wasn't even a bottle. It was a target gets you good. Yeah, good and gather buckets. Yeah. Why'd you gather that? It's not good. It's bad.

Bad and dumping bad and forage. Right. Whatever. So yeah, that's where I'm at. Yeah, I think I like that. I like that. That's a good bright spot. Well, yeah, like I said, we're going to be talking about Graham Legend today. This is from we're going to be talking from the July first episode of his show. Okay. But before we get to that, yeah, we're going to have to thank some listeners who've signed up and are supporting the team. Well, that's great. All right. First up, Jamie Kaye. You are now a policy one. I think that's Janey. Janey. Oh, my handwriting. That's your handwriting. All right. Janey Kaye. You are now a policy one. I'm a policy one. Like a journey. Thank you very much, Janey and Marcella S. You are now a policy

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That's something that's interesting because it's a topic that I want to cover. But I don't really know how to because there's not a lot that I can see to latch on to in terms of personalities of the people there. I certainly don't think that they have what you describe as a rising like a steady hand, a real star. They do not. But it is something that is very relevant in the world of right wing propaganda. And I'm glad that you took the initiative to look into a little something so you can have maybe a way of dipping our toe into that gross water. Yeah. And something may infect us metaphorically from from that toe dip. Yeah. Well, I mean, I watched a lot of one America, which was not fun. No, I can't imagine it would be now. And it's like the whole

network is a harder right minor league Fox News. You know, it's like it Fox is the majors kind of. Yeah. But Info Wars at least has, you know, a slugger in Alex Jones. Yeah. You know, it's like they're like a really bad team that has one guy who would at least fill some seats. Yeah. Yeah. He's Adam Dunn. Right. It's 40 a year with a two twenty average. That's that's Alex. And then and then OAN is the one that has like the big backer or whatever because Trump seems to love them a bit. But there's just a senior. But there's just no. There's just nothing every time. I have watched a little bit of it myself. I will say sure every time I have. I've just been like what is happening here. This is it's just not good. Yeah. It's not it's not

compelling. And a lot of it seems to be very similar in theme and content to stuff we already talk about. Totally. So I always had. I would describe it at least my experience of like considering covering it. A lot of it felt like I was a rock climber who couldn't find a hold. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I couldn't figure out like what is what is this? What is a great way of putting it? Yeah. That's a really great way. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad that you're going to now try to climb that rock. Well, let me tell you something. There is one rock. There is one rock and you should just go ahead and play our out of context drop and that'll give you an idea. All right. It would be very handy if Roger Stone died in a prison.

Okay. Yeah. For whom? Yeah. Well, we'll see. I mean, we already know he talks about this. You talked about this with Alex. Totally. Everybody wants Roger dead in a COVID infested prison. Totally. And he went on and he gave the interview and it was almost word for word the exact same interview. Roger. Is that what we're talking about? Roger going on? Roger went on OAN, my friends. Of course he did. Of course he did. I also got a message. A couple of messages actually about other stops that Roger made. And apparently he was on like a Q and ON show. Sure. Prior to being on Info Wars. I imagine that has to be a scheduling thing. Yeah. I feel like Alex would blow up if that was intentional. I'd be very mad. But yeah,

he's been going all over the place because I mean, we even talked about this on our last episode when Roger was on Info Wars. It's like this is a media tour where he's just begging Trump to pardon him by way of saying how much value he has to Trump. Now, here's the thing. We skip that part entirely on this. Okay. This interview and there aren't that many clips of it. It was a really short interview. This interview. There's no buttering Trump up really. Okay. It is out and out begging. Literally he says, I'm begging you. I'm begging Trump to pardon me when he was on Info Wars. He said he prayed to Trump. He says he's praying to Trump again today. So maybe it wasn't a slip of the tongue. Nope. Nope. Well, I think this is a man who prays to Trump. I think

that that's probably a good move on his part because unlike with Info Wars, he has a pretty good reason to believe that Trump may actually be watching. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So much smarter. So yeah, he goes on Graham Ledger show. Graham Ledger is the is the, you know, minor league Bill O'Reilly. Okay. He's trying to do that whole thing and he's just even more hard right. That's the whole idea and to well, this is a tweet that he had in the last 24 hours in response to Newsom tweeting out something like it's a good idea to wear a mask or good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wearing a mask is a sign of submission. I would rather die from the Wuhan coronavirus than ever submit you or you come and get me jerk who hashtag first July hashtag national doctors day

hashtag COVID-19 hashtag remdesivir hashtag coronavirus. Okay, so he's trying to get some real traction there with the hashtags. Yeah, it's trying to bump engagement. He's infecting Twitter. Come and get me. What the government is politely asking you to do an eminently reasonable thing. How is that turn into come and get me? Well, it's good to sign a submission. Oh, that's that's again, like really in line with Alex's pretty consistent stuff about I mean, just about everything not you long predates COVID-19 or masks just anything he doesn't like as a submission. Yeah. And it's just preparing you for the globalists to fill in the blank. Oh, yeah. I can't stand going to McDonald's and getting one curly fry. It's not further. Yeah,

they won't let you have super size at McDonald's anymore. It's just getting you ready for the FEMA camp. Exactly. Next thing you know, they're going to be feeding you soylent green. It's people that's going to be us. Us good God loving conservatives are going to turn us into food. Do you understand? Oh, yeah. And yeah, as you were saying, herring William herring senior is the I but no Robert herring senior is the guy who is the big backer who owns one America and the both he and our boy Graham ledger just this year lost a lawsuit to their former booking producer Robert Minot Jr. Not quite Jonathan Harris Harris who is black brought it up in a meeting a private meeting with Robert herring senior. He's just like,

Hey, I'm getting like I know where I work. Okay, people are being very racially harassing towards me. Okay. Within 24 hours, he was fired. Well, you can't say that at a meeting. No, no, no, you can't. Well, and he also made it very clear that Graham ledger was one of the biggest offenders. Oh, so he is like they'll rather. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Harris, of course, won 300 grand in compensatory damages and the that seems low. Yeah. And the total lawsuit was 1.1 million, I think. Okay. So is that kind of thing? Now with Graham, I was looking into him and I was trying to find his history and his bio and stuff like that. And he doesn't have a Wikipedia page, which I find fascinating. He has been on one America as a host for three years now, something like

that, maybe even longer. And he still doesn't have a Wikipedia page. Huh? Yeah. Isn't that weird? I guess a little bit. Maybe they're just not that maybe they're not nearly as big as yeah. I don't know that. Yeah. Maybe no one's interested. Maybe we're the only. I mean, isn't it? Isn't it a situation where like Wikipedia pages are really just based on how much interest anyone has to make one? Yeah, pretty maybe no one's interested in making one might not be. I think a lot of people only have Wikipedia pages because they make them for themselves. Yeah. Oh, you think so? Yeah. So maybe this is actually a sign that he is not a vain person. We should congratulate him for not having a Wikipedia page. Well, I will disavow you of that notion. Okay.

He is very vain, but I did find a bio page on Marathi dot TV. I believe it's Marathi. It is now my new favorite website. Okay. It is Marathi TV dot TV is according to Marathi dot TV Maharashtra's leading entertainment and cultural website. Marathi is or Maharashtra is a region in India and Marathi is the predominant language of that people. Okay. I have no idea why he is on that website and not Wikipedia, but he's there and there are some great little fun fact type things about him like this. This was there's a couple that stuck out to me. Graham Charles Ledger is an American businessman, television news anchor and host of the Daily Ledger with more than three decades of experience. He has earned himself a prominent seat in

conservative news coverage. That seems a little self aware for a website primarily based out of India. You mean self written maybe. Okay, right 30 years of experience. Is that the business experience or has he been in the media for 30 years? A little bit of both. Okay. He started out. He's a San Diego guy. Oh, he started off. Exactly. You know those I don't know. I don't know how that's an answer to my question. He's a San Diego. Well, when he was in San Diego, he was a local news host. Okay. Exactly. He's still in San Diego and he's a local news host and it's it's like his career goes like that until about 2004 2005 and then he switches and helps start smart drive systems, which is a business that makes cameras

to put in long haul truckers, cabs in order to watch them at all times. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Great. He's a terrifying psycho spy on truckers. Exactly. So they don't take amphetamines that we almost require people. I don't actually know if that's true. That might be based on a real stereotype. Yeah, real shitty. Yeah, real shitty. But that gives him the term American businessman and then later on he goes and starts working. It's a little bit like Ron Burgundy turned into Bill O'Reilly. Like that's kind of the career trajectory that he's had. So he's a big deal. He's a kind of kind of a big deal. And then here's another part of his. Here's another fun tidbit. He has a daughter named Sienna Marilyn whom he loves very much. Maryland. Maryland.

Oh, okay. Their social media presence is heartwarming. That's in the bio. That's in the bio. I mean, it's subjective, but fine. I'll allow it. Right. That's a little bit weird. Here's where it gets a little bit more and more obvious with his sharp business skills. Ledger soon established a market foothold and made business relationships with the state of California and the Salvation Army as his clients. So the Salvation Army is buying his spy shit. Apparently. Yeah. Now I looked into this further and it turns out all of that information from Marathi TV comes directly from a Meet the Candidates interview that he had when he was running for one of the seats on the San Diego San Diegoito Union High School District Board of

Trustees. I ran in 2012 quote directly from the article. In 2006, I helped launch a high tech company in San Diego Smart Drive Systems with little or no budget. We successfully carved out a market foothold and established the company in a highly competitive industry while personally establishing new client relationships, including the state of California and Salvation Army. So I suspect that there is somebody in India who really likes Graham. Let's that's that's as good as I can get there. Yeah, that's a mystery. Yeah. Isn't that weird? Yeah, I don't know what to say about that, but that's that is you have solved the mystery of where those words came from. Exactly. I'm a great research. We still don't have an answer for

why I'm a great research. Congratulations. Thank you. Now here's that. There's another bio Okay, that I found on a website called healthy ton.com ton. Yeah, healthy, healthy to one dot com. Okay, I strongly recommend it for everyone for tons of health stuff for no health stuff whatsoever. Shit. So reverse. Apparently, this website just keeps like height, weight, and health information on celebrities. Okay, that's it. I don't. Yeah, okay. This sounds fun. Yeah, it's really weird known afflictions. It's so weird. Yeah, has a bad knee exactly. Yes, one hundred percent that I don't want to look at this. This website, but there is also weird biographical data here. So in does he have a celebrity feet picture? I don't think so. Okay

doesn't what I don't know. I'm just trying to guess like based on where your research is taking you like we've got the what what illnesses might celebrities have and how much do they weigh website? That's that's maybe there's some good foot shots of ledger out there. That's a good question. Now see now if I were preparing this episode, I would have an answer for you. And I have a poster board son of a bit and I'd have a poster board drawn up here is his feet. Okay. All right. What are Alex's feet look like? Oh, they're not good, man. I believe they've ever seen Cthulhu. I guess I have. It's not like that at all, but bad feet, bad feet. All right. Yeah, so unhealthy. You get really, really weird grammar and stuff like this. So one one quote

from that is Graham Ledger was born on 13 March 1961 in San Diego, California. He is American by nationality and his ethnic background is white. There is no information about his parents and siblings. Growing up he learned at St Ignatius College preparatory situated in the place where he grew up and graduated with phenomenal evaluations. Great. He for further studies joined San Diego State University and successfully obtained a bachelor's degree. All typos and poor grammar directly from the site. Graham Ledger was a reporter on K or no, Graham Ledger was a reporter KMFB TV from 1990 2004. Eminent for covering probably the greatest live news stories like the 2003 California wildfire on national TV. It's a big story. He likewise took proficient photography

from 2004 to 2005 and began Graham Ledger photography. Besides, he seemed a few times on the radio, including 210 FM seems seems to be exactly now. This is where it really ramped up here. The bad grammar. Oh, yeah, which by the way, if I were this dude and I decided to like write a bio about how like I was into drugs or something, I would be like, you know, his name is Graham. I would call it bad grammar. That's a good idea. Yeah, you can even take that one ledger. Yeah, go for it. He has a great name for puns. Well, his show is called The Daily Ledger, right? Yeah, we got one right there. Yeah, Graham. There's a lot of stuff you can do with that. Sure, 21 grams. He could remake that movie. Yeah, absolutely soul. Yeah, please go ahead.

Seven grams he could. That's I think the one I was thinking reference. No, isn't seven. Well, whatever. I was thinking of the Wu Tang lyric. Oh, I can never keep any of this straight. That's fair. But here's my favorite one. Graham ledgers. This is under Graham ledgers net worth salary. Graham ledger without a doubt acquires a lot of fortune. So as a host and anchor, he acquires a normal salary of 127,000. It's protected to state that he conveys a net worth of millions. Fantastic. This just seems like something that was from English that got translated and is translated back. Exactly. This seems like something that there's a reason the grammar is bad. I think he has a fan in India that could be fucking loves him. That could be good for him.

Oh, so this show, the interview he does with Roger Stone, he the show for the most part is garbage. I didn't deal with the second half at all, which is a an interview with what Josh Horowitz, the conservative reporter guy. Oh, it is one of the most racist, like just out and out straight up nonstop racism. Then I just there was no point in doing anything. Shocked. I haven't seen this guy on info wars. Yeah, I am too. Maybe he hates info wars for some reason. Maybe even these folks know stay away from that. It really could be. And here he has one of the more incoherent things that we're dealing with because he has the same problem that Rogers that Alex had with Roger Stone. There is a status imbalance. Well, no, no, no, it doesn't seem like that at all. Oh,

it's that Roger Stone is telling you if he goes to jail, COVID-19 will kill him right. It's the most dangerous thing in the world. And Graham Ledger is going to tell you that there is no problem at all with COVID-19 that sort of that branch in the road is tough to exactly. So we wind up bouncing back and forth in validating everything simultaneously, sometimes within the same sentence. But he starts off like this. It's all data driven, not my opinion, facts, raw data, the numbers. So that's him saying that it not being a big deal is all raw data driven facts. He is about to tell us all about statistics. He is about to tell us the truth using only facts and numbers. Exactly. It's a drag net shit. Immediately after saying that, he says this.

Like the fact that this is the least lethal so-called global pandemic in world history, 500,000 dead. Is this true, Jordan? Is it true, Dan? I don't know. How would you be able to tell that this is the least lethal so-called global pandemic in history? I mean, if you take away a few of those weasley words, you could probably look at numbers and history and you could just go from there. Sure. How do you define a global pandemic though? Touch is the globe. Okay. One side to the other. Sure. I would call it that. Okay. And then least lethal, is he talking about percentages or gross numbers? He said 500,000 dead so you would kind of be led to believe that it would be a number of gross dead.

Right. I don't know. Yeah, you got to define your terms. Right now. And then the other hand, okay. So SARS-1, is that the least lethal global pandemic in history because they took steps necessary to keep it from becoming a lethal global pandemic? Could be. Or even still, I think the larger issue, it's not over yet. That's a good point. How can you tell me in the middle of the global pandemic that this is the least lethal one? You know, that's you saying, well, you don't need to act like this is a big deal until we make it the most lethal global pandemic. You know, like when you're at the beginning of a car wreck, at a certain point it's only a fender bender. The least lethal car wreck. If you're able to stop time just when you make contact with the other car,

maybe at that point you've only scraped some paint. Exactly. Now by the time the whole thing is over, maybe yeah, maybe then there's some other downsides. Yeah, that is true. It's always difficult. Yeah, it's aren't over and you can't compare. Yeah. So he's he's right out the gate. This is the beginning of the show talking numbers. Already he has said something that neither makes sense nor can be dealt with at all. Then as if he understands, wait a second, I just said 500,000 people were dead and I said this was not a big deal. He goes with this. Yes, we just crossed a half a million deaths by COVID-19 globally. Ladies and gentlemen, I am not intending to diminish any of these deaths by Corona. They were all human beings.

All right, Dan, what do you think his next words will be? Oh, I mean, I'm guessing but is how it starts. Yep. That is, I mean, I don't know. These people are like, like, you know, they're pool balls. They could break in any direction. I don't know. But I know it's going to start with but. Oh, yeah. But is the cue ball that's about to hit. It's going to go in some unpredictable direction. They're all humans, but I don't know. Something like that. Yeah. Go for it. But that number is a political statistical joke. I don't know what that means. Right. Also, how can you start with I'm not trying to diminish any of these deaths and end with it's a joke. The number is a political statistical joke. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. In what way

does that not diminish every single death? I mean, I guess what he's trying to say is probably that the way in which the number is used is a political charade or whatever. But then that's invalidating his stated objective of just using the facts and the numbers because he still now has to talk about that 500,000. Oh, yeah. And they are all humans. But but yeah, that's weird. That seems seems like he's trapped himself in a bit of a weird cucumber meant pickle. Yeah. He's got his own soda stream going right now. So yeah, already this is just the first two minutes of his segment. And he has already said three conflicting things that don't make any sense at the same time. He's trying to say he's having it both ways as much as he possibly can.

And he knows what he's doing to like even now, even with this clip, he says something like this. There are some what six billion plus or minus a few hundred million people on the planet, six billion, half a million is not statistically relevant. And in this country, the death by COVID 19 numbers are not spiking repeat, not spiking. Well, he swung me. Yeah. You know why? Here's what I'll say. Here's why I respect this guy as a broadcaster. Because 500 or 500,000. That sounds like a lot of people. But then when you bring up a bigger number, I'm like, that's not that big. That's not that big and over. Yeah, it's not relevant. I respect the hell out of that. And I am now going to donate to

you got convinced. Yeah, all it took was subway just talking about facts. Furthermore, Dan, how many billions of people are on the planet? I think those are seven. Yeah, it's so it's over seven. Yeah, but this guy has all the facts. I always lose all the numbers. I'm not going to be like pedantic about that because I lose track of that like world populate. I mean, I know it was a big deal when it crossed the seven. But you know, I don't know what it's seven point something and I don't know what the point is now. It's I think it's almost seven point seven. Yeah, that makes sense. But like, yeah, six is a little low. Yeah, that you know what that that comes from like, I don't know, I feel like a lot of the time that population

was a big deal was around the time when it might have been around six. Yeah, you know, like, well, a lot of the arguments about like 70s and 80s like population bomb and stuff like that, those those arguments a lot of the times used six as like the stand in for so I think a lot of people probably are just regurgitating stuff from those times. And that might be why it's sort of shorthand for the population. It could be you know, because whenever you hear people talking about like the Georgia guide stones and stuff about how it's like key population to under half a billion or whatever, right? They talk about like, oh, you can kill off six, five and a half billion people. Yeah, I think that people are just they've not updated their references. And normally I'm fine

with that kind of thing. But this guy opens his broadcast saying he's going to give us all the numbers and all the facts and multiple times he does exactly what Alex does. Yeah, that's fair. I do hours of research. I do hours of research. I've looked into all of these numbers on the tip of my tongue this morning. I looked into these numbers. You should probably get a the population right. Yeah, you'd think you would imagine that you saw that number at some point doing all your research and and then at the end he says deaths aren't spiking right makes it very clear. Yeah, we've talked about that a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is his next clip immediately afterwards. Outside of a huge data dump on June 25. Thanks to the governor of New

Jersey. Thank you so much, Mr Murphy. Yeah, so deaths aren't spiking outside of outside of the data dump that we got showing that deaths are spiking. Thanks, New Jersey. You're really ruining my fucking narrative. Well, I think the problem is that Phil Murphy and the governor of New Jersey is now governor of half of the country exactly learned from Alex. Yeah. So that would explain why his data would be a data dump because he's got a report for whole 20 something states. He's responsible for a lot. Yeah. Absolutely. And he continues on he just does this whole thing over and over and over again. Not a big deal. There's no problem. Now I know there's a problem, right? You know, there's not going to diminish it. No, no, no. These are humans, but everybody's joke.

Yeah. That's the whole thing. Non stop. Like, okay, it's not a problem. I know it's a problem. Yeah, but it's not. Now I know that this five is a scary number. It seems so high. So big and whatever told you about 30. Oh, shit. Where do you even get 30 magic? Oh, god damn. Good damn. And most of this is just constant COVID denial. Like this is what he says next. No different than previous years. Why is this relevant? Well, this is why if COVID-19 is such a killer virus, then we would be seeing an increase in the sheer number of dead Americans compared to previous years, right? Well, we're not. Well, I mean, that's just not true, right? I mean, we've seen excess death numbers look pretty, pretty shocking, particularly in areas that are heavily

affected outbreaks up to as high as 40% excess deaths. Yeah, I know that I know that the last time I tried to look into it, it's kind of difficult to find excess death numbers for a lot of the portions of the country, right? But New York had data that was reported in the financial times, and they also had an analysis of like tons of other countries that were showing massive jumps in terms of excess deaths. So whatever he's, I don't have any reason to believe him unless he can demonstrate that because I have, I've seen compelling evidence that there is in fact a lot more death. Oh, insane. Yeah. No one, no one denies that except for people who just say there isn't. Yeah. Like this is the I know all the numbers. I don't know. At the same time, it's tough. Like

it would be hard for him to prove a negative like, you know, him to prove that there aren't more deaths. He'd just have to, you know, deal with the things like he'd have to deal with the sources that are saying that there are and show why they're wrong. Right. That's what I need him to do now. And he's not I'm guessing he's not. He has no interest in doing that. What he does have interest in doing and this I think is just wild. He follows that claim up that the deaths aren't spiking with this line. Are you listening California residents and the people of Illinois and New Yorkers, you're being hoodwinked. You're being lied to. I got kind of distracted because I realized that he was talking to me. I live in Illinois. Yeah. I just like that he inadvertently admitted directly

to our faces. You're being lied to. I'm lying to you. I just lied to you. I mean it's just two on the nose. Yeah, it's two on the nose. Wow. Yeah. I know I'm being unfair about a little. I know I'm being unfair about that. You're being you're being fair, but also unfair right on that line right on the line. Yeah, but he's a dick. Sure. I'm not going to disagree with you there. It's just I just don't like hit people just being like that's not happening right. Wake up they're lying to you. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's the it's the same thing with like Alex yelling, but wake up to people that he's trying to keep in. Yeah, basically a delusional coma. Yeah, absolutely. It's just it's just immensely annoying to me especially and whenever

they use the second person that's whenever it's like, okay, now you're talking directly to me telling me that they're doing the thing that you're literally doing in those words and in the state that you're in. Exactly. I'm taking it personally. Sure. No one's lying to me. No, for you ledger. Meet me at Portello's. We're going to solve this shit. I shove shove an Italian beef down your throat. I tell you, they got those good little eat a little cake, chocolate. Okay, a little chocolate. Put some Jardinero on that cake. That's good. That's good stuff. And so he just keeps doing this. And then he gets into that kind of it's just a constant like back and forth, you know, with with his next clip. First, you happen to have a loved

one in a nursing home in any blue state, especially New York, I would have gotten them the hell out of those facilities long ago, judging by what Andrew Cuomo did, which was to issue death sentences to thousands of elderly by forcing nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients. Absolutely outrageous. 4,500 COVID-19 patients dead after Cuomo's March 25 order. It is the highest rate of nursing home deaths in the country. Again, the numbers do not lie. That's just another Alex narrative. That's something we've seen Alex talk about a bit. I don't mean that's there's also a presumption in there that is like, can you afford to care for your your whoever you have your loved one is at home? Yep. Are you able to provide the specific

kind of care if they have a condition that they need to be taken care of with? You probably can't. So he's telling people to do something they probably couldn't do to avert something that isn't what Cuomo was doing. Yep. God damn. And he's doing it in the immediate like, no, it's no big deal. 500,000 out of six billion. What do you even care about unless you're old? In which case this is terrifying and Cuomo is murdering you and this is the worst thing in the world. Yeah, like it's a nonstop. It drives me insane. You know, you just keep bouncing back and forth like this is important, but this is not this is important, but this is not and it seems like there isn't really a coherent reason why one is and one isn't except for it's like,

oh, this is useful to me. This isn't. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. This is, you know, no, nobody's dying. Don't worry about it. Everybody's dying in nursing homes because Cuomo's killing them. Right. But I mean, really 4500 out of what we've got 100 million old people in this world 4500 unless you're in New York, in which case it's even more like it's this isn't a big deal unless you're in a blue state and you happen to be somebody who is likely to be in my audience. Yep. Run. Yeah, exactly. And he he does. So then the next thing he does is he starts talking to a clip of Governor Newsom. Okay, he does it the same. He does it. Alex Jones, Ian. And over on the left coast, pretty much the same thing. Just as bad, frankly, if not worse

from the slick Marxist nutcase, Gavin Newsom. COVID-19 didn't take summer recess didn't take the summer vacation. Stop tape. Stop tape. I'm not a body language reader, but look at him. Look at him. His jaw is clenched. He's he's moving around rather nervous. He's mad. He's showing California residents and the rest of the world that he's mad mad. Yep. It's furious. Oh, yeah. You know, like a lot of people do that. A lot of people say like stop, you know, because, you know, you sometimes you're on the fly with the production staff. Sure. I think Alex does it in a way that's more fun or more interesting at least because he's pretending to be like so emotionally affected by whatever. He adds more showmanship to it than that. Totally. That was very clunky. No, my my

notes on that are you're so disappointing. This is. Governor Newsom is a demon. He's not just mad. What are you doing? Yeah, you are so close there with the Marxist. You know, you're getting there. You're getting there, man. That's what I'm saying. Talk about how he wants blood. Exactly. They don't have a slugger. They're just hitting singles. It's pathetic. Yep. I hate it. And then he goes into this whole thing and he points out that cases are spiking and that Newsom is trying to close down the bars and he's doing all this shit to try and keep young people from spreading the virus. And it's spreading mostly among young people, which the governor is is trying to punish here right now. It's what we call herd immunity because we know that younger people, the demographic

of somewhere in the neighborhood of zero to 20 to 30 years old has almost a zero mortality rate. Many of these young people are running around asymptomatic and many of them contract the virus, but have no antibodies because their body fought it off to the degree that there's no antibodies showing up in the in the blood war. Isn't that amazing? But I've got my brow furrowed. Yeah, you do. I can see some confusion on your on your face. What's confusing there? Well, if your body fought it off successfully, that would lead to antibodies. Yes, because that would unless you fight it off so successfully. I don't even understand what he's saying too successfully. I don't understand what he's saying. No, if you fight it off really good, you can't even find

antibodies. Right. Okay. All right. Fine. I gotta go, man. Yeah, I gotta don't know what's going on anymore. I don't even know the ideas that are attempting to be expressed here, quite frankly. And I mean, I guess there's a way to make this coherent on some level. Yeah. I mean, it'd be bad. And I wouldn't I wouldn't support this. But like, if he was going around to being like, Yeah, okay, people who are younger have a less likelihood of dying. Granted, some are still going to die. But like, hey, let's let all these young people go out to bars and all this stuff and they'll get it won't be as bad a cases. But at the same time, what we'll have to do is make sure that nobody who is immunocompromised or has a preexisting condition or is over the age

of 40 something can go to work. Yeah, you got like all you got. Let's let's isolate all of the people who could be hurt by this in order for you to be able to go to Dick's last resort. Yep. Or why is that the name? I have no idea. You know what? Honestly, I was going to say Ed DeBevix, but that's not a bar necessarily. It's just a restaurant here in Chicago where people yell at you insult you. And that's I think what Dick's last resort is to they insult you there. Oh yeah, I think so. Okay, I've never been to Dick's last resort. I've only seen the sign downtown in Chicago when I was like walking over a bridge and it was like get on in here douchebag. No, I've heard people talk about it and I think that's what that is. I could come up with a better

bar. All right, we're going. I could have gone with like anything Dick's last resort. Damn it. That's what we're doing. Cabo Wabo. That's at least named after an alcohol. No 20 year olds going to Cabo Wabo. Shit. And he does this knowing full what like he's talking about the mortality rate, but he even literally writes it down. Many of the young people are running around asymptomatic. All right. How can you tell me, you know, like, Oh, man, all these old people in nursing homes are dying all the time. And it's the single worst thing in the world. But we should definitely let their kids run around asymptomatic and then I don't know visit them. Sure, you know, asymptomatic versus pre symptomatic to it's unclear. Yeah, at any point what you know where you are if you are

if you're going to develop symptoms eventually or if you are going to be truly asymptomatic through the course of your your illness. Yeah, I mean like what he's saying is just dangerous. It just seems stupid. And last you want to like I said, fully reorder society in a way to like isolate people just so kids could go to bars or whatever. Yep. You gotta go to bars. You should still maybe wear a mask at the bar. Now what you should realize though, is that Governor Newsom is punishing you for going out to a bar. Okay, it's the worst thing in the world. Amazing. But the governor, yes, while he shot shooting himself in the foot, he also realizes that he's continuing to strangle the economy, his little piece of the US economy, which harms the reelection chances of

Donald Trump. So he's still at it. And he's still going to be at it straight through November, strangling his economy as much as possible in order to harm the reelection chances of Donald Trump. This guy is boring as hell. I know, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's why stone is the only there is a there is a fucking reason why I have not been able to find a grip on this this network. Oh yeah. So just listen to this and be like, oh, fuck it. Yeah, yeah. And he's he's doing it like it doesn't get more globalist kind of nonsense whenever you're saying, okay, so yeah, the governor is shooting himself in the foot. By the way, his little part of the US economy. Yeah, little part of California's economy. Little the what top 25 GDPs in the world

something like that. But also at the same time, Newsom is doing this on purpose in order to hurt Donald Trump's reelection. Well, it would stand to reason that if that is the case, then that also hurts Gavin Newsom's reelection chance. You would think because if he completely torpedoes California's economy, California probably isn't gonna be like, Hey, let's keep this guy. Yeah, no kidding. Right. Think about that one. You dumb ledger. Here's the bigger part though. All right. At no point in time does he say Trump could do something about that. But he's the president. Like, what if Governor Newsom is destroying his own economy? Trump could literally be like, Hey, here's money. We've got a new support package. And then the economy doesn't crash. Can't do it.

States rights like a Trump could solve that problem if he wanted to. Well, I mean cash injections would help cushion things considerably in terms of like making sure that local businesses don't have to close making sure people don't end up home experiencing homelessness. That's sort of yeah, there's there's a number of things that it would just be policy decisions that could be made from Washington. Yeah, so but they're against big government. They're against that stuff. So that can't even be entertained as a possible solution. No, of course not. They're they're subset of beliefs doesn't have a real answer. No, because the answer is obvious and they don't want to do it. Yep. So instead they'll blame other people for not doing the thing that they could do

easily. Yeah. And it's all an attack to try and hurt Trump. You got it. Everything is everything is all like just poorly delivered infowars talking points. There you go. This is all just like the same. Like I'm listening to this and I'm just like, Yep, ding, ding. The guy's got bingo a couple of times. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Disappointing. Yeah. It's not my fault. No, I'm not the guy doing this. I wasn't blaming you. I wasn't blaming you. I'm disappointed in the world. I'm disappointed that there's another one of these. Yeah. But you know what that leads me to believe that there's a really decent chance that eventually someone with chops will end up there. Yeah. Right. I mean, you got to think if the president is like retweeting their shit and

like talking about audio grade network, all this stuff, you got to assume that some enterprise and grifter who has chops is going to end up there. Yeah. The problem I see is that like a lot of the people who seem to have like a lot of the skills as younger set, they seem to gravitate towards harder extremism than could be molded or fit into that slot. Yeah. You need somebody who's a sellout and good. Right. And someone like like Nick Fuentes would be dangerous as fuck at OAN or something like that. But he's far too extreme. He couldn't do it. You need you need like a sellout like a harder sellout version of Fuentes in there and then it's game over. That would be devastating. Do you know what my suspicion on that is? What's that? The hardy like those guys who

are talented now, they stay on the Internet. They're not going to one American Newsnet. They're not looking for a co-anchor job. Yeah. You know, they have an ability to create their own like space right to it to an extent. And because that's part of the darkest part of the Internet, that creates that more radicalizing situation. There aren't editors and bosses telling you, hey man tone it down. Yeah. Yeah. And so he continues with the Governor Newsom little speech. He's pissed off about the whole thing. Can't let Governor Newsom talk. Hasn't gone away. I know a lot of us thought, okay, get him get warm. Once it gets hot, it all goes away. Got tape. Now. All right. Now, on this next, he's stopping the tape. What do you think he's

going to say? All right. It's just not hot enough. If it's hotter, then the virus would go away, which is why global warming is good. Because you know, hey, the global temperature rises three degrees. Virus can't survive in that temperature. That's true. Is that what he does? Really close. You know, I check the numbers. This is my job now. I look at this data every day. Six billion pieces. It's interesting when you look at El Salvador, and you look at the Philippines, and you look at Thailand, and you look at Vietnam. All those areas have warm weather, right? And high humidity. High temperature, high humidity combination. Their cases are in the hundreds. Go look for yourself. I'm sold. See? He named four countries.

Sure. Are those the only high temperature, high humidity countries? Are we sure we're not selecting for some other variable? Are you seeing a problem with that logic there? Yeah, I mean, obviously. Yeah. It's just like, oh, okay. So you're saying that heat doesn't kill the virus. Really? Look at El Salvador, one place where I know it's hot. It can be hot anywhere. Sure. No more virus if it's summer. All right. Yeah, that's bad. I mean, but that's just transparently bad. Oh, yeah. That's like, this is honestly, I don't, I'm not saying this to like shit on you doing this episode, but like, and it's more like experiential is like, I'm listening to this and I'm not even interested in this guy's bullshit. Exactly. That's what I'm for though.

So boring. You're not interested in Mark Moreno's bullshit. No, you're not interested in Robert Jeffers bullshit. I bring these people to you so we can never speak of them. Jeffers was at least a little bit more intriguing in terms of some of those dynamics. This guy is just like a junior varsity Alex without anything that really makes me gravitate towards him being interesting or even scary. Yeah. I mean, it's just somebody who's shit. Yep. Kind of. You got it. But in such a way that is like, I find it. It's dangerous. Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to minimize that. I think that he is somebody who probably deserves some attention from a critical perspective. But like, in terms of being interesting, which is

something that I need in order to keep doing. Yes. Yeah. He fails. That's why we only do one episode on him. Let this be a performance review. I have spent three plus years paying attention to Alex Jones and I get down about it from time to time. And yeah, certainly I hate him, but I've listened to maybe three minutes of you and I want to stop. You suck. Basically. Yep. And yeah, he continues on here. They're counting them in the hundreds. Vietnam has zero. Zero deaths. Now, I don't know how good their accounting is. And certainly they're not doing the widespread testing that we're doing. But the bottom line is yes, as the weather gets warmer, as the humidity rises, it helps beat back the transmission, the spread of a virus.

Something this guy will not admit. I love it when somebody says the bottom line is something right after using a couple of examples of why there isn't the bottom line. Sure, they're not doing any testing, but they've got zero deaths there. I don't know how good their accounting is, but I can trust their zero death counts. Yeah. I just lost this match against you, right? And I did tap out and you beat me fair and square. And that's all great. But I'm going to kick your ass. And that's the bottom line. Good Stone Cold. That's it. Yep. That's the bottom line. You just lost. Yeah. Okay. I look Vietnam. Yes. I don't know if they're counting people. Sure. They might not be. That's possible. They're certainly not doing as

much testing as they need to do. But the bottom line is okay. Fuck off. Just linguistically. If you have trouble with that sense, if you're a viewer and you're watching that, you're like, yes, makes sense. The problem is not him. The problem isn't Graham. The problem is is sentence comprehension. Yeah, right. That's trouble. That's real bad. Yeah. The interesting thing is this is something that I was expecting to look into and be like, what an idiot. You're telling me that humidity stops viruses from transmitting. That's insane. And I looked it up and there is a little bit of evidence that it's maybe possible that seasonal changes could affect the spread of the virus. Oh, sure. Yeah. There is some scientific backing to that to the extent that

you can like count on it. Exactly. The case for every virus or illness is is debatable and the extent to which it would even like it even is relevant to discuss is like, oh, this will help. Yeah. Yeah. Bank on it. But there are yeah, there obviously there are environmental differences. Totally. And from the NIH director's blog, as far as that goes, because I looked into it and I was like, oh, maybe there is something to this. So I looked further into it. And the researchers at the NIH ran three different scenarios based on the role of climate and the spread of other viruses, you know, like OC43 and HQ, HKU1 that are known to cause common colds. In all three scenarios, their model showed that climate only would become an important seasonal factor in controlling COVID-19

once a large proportion of people within a given community are immune. Right now, before that time period, because SARS-CoV-2 is as sensitive to climate as other seasonal viruses, summer heat still wouldn't be enough to mitigate the spread through anything. So that makes some sense. Exactly. But it could it could have an incremental effect. Right. But it probably isn't worth even like talking about right in terms of like once it once it gets warm will be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you would like to go back to how El Salvador and Vietnam have wonderful climates and everything. Well, Vietnam is encountering people right now testing anybody. Well, there are other places with warm climates like Brazil, Ecuador, all of which are exploding. There's

that whole thing about it. Not always being summer when it's summer here. Yeah. There's other parts of the world have different seasons. He's in San Diego. He doesn't know about the San Diego guy. San Diego guy. Right. Come on now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I from what I understand about Brazil, it's a dry heat. Very dry in the Amazon's what people are known for in Brazil. The Brazilian dry forests so very so very good. Yeah. He continues on though. He powers through all of this terrible nonsense. What's the opposite of saying you got to respect that? Yeah. I probably what he says next. We have to sober up to this is this is getting back to Newsome. Right. We're still in the first wave. We're not in a second

wave. We're still in the first wave. This is exactly my point. We are still in the first wave. This is the way that all you did was kind of slow down. And then you unleashed it when you said, oh, we're going to start opening up again. He had to open up. If he had it his way, he would have kept the California economy shut down straight through November in order to hammer President Trump. But he had to. I'm honestly lost in terms of how that's supposed to help the right wing argument. Yep. Because if I'm tracking this correctly, he's saying you are. He's saying that there is a first wave that happened. Yeah. And all that the mitigation measures like distancing, mask wearing, closing businesses, all that did is successfully hold

back. Right. Cases. Yep. From exploding, which was the stated goal. Right. That everybody was discussing at the time going and they had to reopen things because there was a ton of pressure. And that is what is now no longer being held back. Yes. And so the first wave is now the resurging. Right. He saw, I mean, you just take a slightly different approach to this and he sounds like like he's advocating for the shutdown again. Yeah. And somehow he's saying that like it's a Oh, see what happened was we shut down the economy to slow the rate of cases and then the guy I support forced us to open again and surprise because we didn't shut down long enough, which is what Governor Newsom wanted to do. By the way, then we have a bunch of cases and that's

Governor Newsom's fault. Yep. I don't I don't understand anybody listening to this and thinking like yeah fuck yeah yeah this guy. Yep. Let alone the fucking president. I know right. That's what is this was what passes for brilliant analysis. Yeah. And he's so what is he prescribing exactly because the implications of that clip are to be understood then had nothing been done earlier. Correct. The hospitals would all have been overwhelmed. It would have been a disaster. You got it. Humanitarian disaster. Right. Tons and tons of cases everywhere. A lot of death. So obviously that's not what he's advocating. Right. So he does recognize that the measures weren't or they were affected. Oh yeah. But he refuses to wear a mask. Great. Yeah. We'll get to

that later. He can't really be saying that the businesses shouldn't have been shut down because that's part of the thing that helped that nightmarish result not common. Right. He can't be saying that businesses should have reopened because he's saying that that is what's leading to this rising number of cases now. Correct. He can't be saying that businesses should be reclosed now because that'll hurt the economy. Exactly. And ruin Trump's reelection. What is he want. I don't honestly see what what he wants other than to assign blame and pretend like everything is an attack on his hero. Yeah. I don't I don't understand how there's any like even semblance of this being productive. No. This entire thing like I said

is him saying one thing immediately discounting it and then just continuing on like he proved what he was trying to say. Yeah. I hate to say this. He's more confusing than Alex. Yeah. He's insane. Yeah. This is nonsense. I don't understand any of this and he does not give a fuck. So Americans in all states from Texas to Florida California you have a choice. You can listen to the mainstream media breathlessly misreport the spread of COVID-19 or you can do your homework like I do day in and day out. The truth about COVID-19 lies in the data and the truth is Corona is not the lethal threat to the vast majority of the American population. So there you go. It doesn't matter. It doesn't mean anything. Now sure there are 120,000 dead

you know but compared to six billion Dan that's practically none. It's a gigantic number that six billion. Yeah. You got to really sit back and think about it from time to time. Totally. Here's another way. Big, big number. Here's another way we can look at that argument. All right. So according to the FBI statistics there are about 16,000 murders per year. Right. And cops only solve and don't really prevent about 47% of those on average. Yeah give or take. Yeah. Right. So that means that the threat to America is practically nothing. Basically 16,000 compared to 100,000. That's nothing. So we can finally get rid of police. Oh yeah. His argument is perfect. Yeah. I mean if you use his goalposts that he's set up for himself. Exactly. What else could we

get rid of? Just about everything. Exactly. It's nuts and anybody knows that a functioning society cares even if it's not a threat to everyone. You should. Right? Yeah. That seems simple. Yeah. And he is telling you. That's the idea of public health. Right. All right. So finally we get to the main event. We get to our, we get to our boy Roger Stone. Here's his introduction. Joining me now from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, political consultant, lobbyist, strategist and former Trump surrogate, Roger Stone. Roger, they attack Trump as a racist because they are deathly afraid that he is going to pick up a larger percentage of the black vote come November. And they attack you and they have attacked you because you are a proxy for President Trump.

Graham, where are the laptops? Where's the list, Graham? It turns out he also ran Graham's for the school board for San Diego. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought as a figure in every single person's campaign, every pie. He's got a thumb in there and grab stole laptops from them at the time. I just love the that was a complete non sequitur, by the way, why the they want to call Trump a racist because he's going to they never speak of racism again. Oh, of course. They never speak of any of that ever again. It's just a good way to frame things. Yeah. You just start there. Yeah. That's how he introduces stone. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it probably is also great. Like just solid analysis that people call Trump a racist

because they're afraid it's going to win more of the black vote. Totally. Oh, yeah. Seems seems likely. No, we're terrified of that. That's why we got a lie about it. How he's polling with the black vote. Yeah. We are down to 6 percent, Dan. Great. Cool. Yeah. I think you just call him a racist, regardless. Yeah, you don't need to vote for him or doesn't know that's because he is a thing. You bet. Yeah. And this is where stone begins to beg, beg, beg for President Trump. And I think that we owe you some qualified congratulations, although they're very deeply qualified. You're going to be in your case. This Amy Berman Jackson, more on her in a moment, delayed your surrender date to jail until

July 14. It's only a couple of weeks, Roger. You have a lot more work to do between now and then because this doesn't quite cut it, does it? No, exactly. It does not cut it. That's what I was thinking. It does not quite cut it. So far going on Alex's show and OAN and some Q and on. That's not cutting it. No, you got a lot more work to do, but we have qualified congratulations for getting two weeks off. Yeah. But he was trying to get a further 60 days. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't get 60 days. No. So that is a qualified, heavily qualified congratulations. Oh, yeah. Great. Yep. So stone is going to get to work. This is where he's going to start begging. He knows what to do. Oh, yeah. Because the Democrat majority in the house are concerned about the dangers of COVID-19 virus,

but at the same time they support my being sent to a prison facility in Georgia where the danger of COVID-19 virus infection, in my case, given that I'm 67 years old and have a history of asthma, is extraordinarily high. This is a really good play on his part because it is something that's real. It's based in, I mean, I don't trust him, but it would make more sense or I'd care more about it if he was circulating and making this appeal on networks that, first of all, took COVID seriously and secondly hadn't been screaming about them releasing murderers into the streets because of COVID-19. Got it. So it rings hollow to me when you have Roger Stone pleading to not go to probably a very lush prison environment, minimum security type situation. Oh, very

minimal. And like I said, from the reporting that I've seen, no cases of COVID-19 at that facility. I would take it more seriously if it wasn't being distributed by people who have tried to fear bait about not letting people out of prison based on these very same concerns. It's discordant. I don't appreciate it. Yeah. No, it's cognitive dissonance. And he's doing this on a show where just five minutes earlier, the guy said, well, we should let young people out all the time. Sure, they're asymptomatic and maybe they'll transmit the virus, but they don't know anybody like Roger Stone, somebody who's 65 with a history of asthma and stuff like that, who is also at the most dangerous risk from the COVID-19. How does Graham not know that somebody who went to

one of these bars when he's 20 year olds is going to get into a fight, stab someone with a broken bottle. That makes sense. End up Roger's cellmate, give him COVID-19 from going to the bars. I've just made a compelling argument for why Graham should recant his position. I think you just wrote Conair too. And I love it. It'd be great. It would be fantastic. I really wish that instead of these people doing this desperate self contradictory nonsense, I wish that fucking Roger Stone just leaned into it hard and went around on all these shows and was like, all right, here's why I'm on. I'm putting together a dirty dozen. We're breaking out. Exactly. Look, there's no convincing Amy Bourbon Jackson to not put me in prison. So what I'm doing is I'm putting together a team to break

me out. Like why not just do that ahead of time? Who's gonna do anything about it? Yeah. All right, we need an explosives guy. We need a face man. We need somebody who's really good at picking locks. He's just going on shows and he's like recruiting the host. He's like, hey, how are you doing with explosives? No, you don't want Graham Graham. Maybe one of your listeners. Maybe one of your listeners knows something. Certainly Graham can't be the face man. Somebody's got to know how to write a mice motorcycle. Exactly. Not Graham needed. We need a getaway guy. We need a decoy getaway. Graham could be a decoy getaway guy. You could be the guy who leads the police on a wild goose chase. Why the fuck not make this interesting Roger. You're going to just fucking lead and

make the rest of your life a parody. Yeah. Yeah. That's how you could have pennants. No, it still wouldn't work. It's still straight up supervillain. Why not? Yeah, you've lived your life like it in secret and go silly supervillain. Totally. Yeah. I want I demand amusement. We build a laser to break out of this prison. Who's with me exactly come up with some nonsensical plan. Yeah, and I have to air that plan on these shows that you go into interviews on. God damn it. I demand you amuse me Roger. That's what he's for. Yeah. He's one of the few people who could do it. Yeah. Totally. Totally. He's credible as the guy who wants to build a laser to break out a present right and he's in a position where he's about to go to prison in a way. It's your

responsibility. No one else is ever going to be in this position where you may be meddled with an election and now you're going to prison and you're desperate to get your guy to fucking give you a pardon that he hasn't given you yet, but he still might. So why not cover your bases and get a supervillain going together? Go to town. I'm begging you right but you're begging Trump. I'm begging you Roger. If you can. So you know the things that need to exist just to exist and stone has a moral responsibility. Yes to fulfill his purpose. We need a guy with a bulldozer. Let's get Elon Musk. He builds tunnels, but hold on real quick before we continue this meeting. No one can wear masks while we break me out. That's the rule. I'm sorry guys. Yeah,

that is that is the one rule. The big guy stands up and just walks out. All right. We're going to need new muscle. All right. God pisses me off. Yeah, I can lean into it. Roger do better. Oh yeah. And like this guy's show is pathetic. Why wouldn't Roger at least want to amuse himself by pretending he's putting together a super. That's a really good point. That's a really good point. He made a joke out of that entire deposition with Larry claiming why not just turn this into a farce. Well, because he thinks he might actually go to prison. Yeah, that's fair. That's a big difference. See, that's what needs to happen. Trump needs to send him a quiet message of like, don't worry about it. You're getting a pardon on July 13th. Everything's cool. If go hard. If you

pretend they are creating a supervillain team to break you out of the joint. I have a lot of bad press on me. Guess what would help with that? If I could you, Mr. Penguin, get out of here. I could pardon Roger. I would pardon him if he did. Yes, transaction for the value of entertainment that would come from it. Actually, the real world would probably be dangerous because people would probably end up trying to blow up prisons or something. That's true. That's true in a movie. It's funny, but in the real world, it probably would get way out of hand. Yeah, Heath Ledger's Joker did blow up that hospital. That would be bad in real life. I wouldn't like that. Uh-oh, but Stone continues on and it's always not his fault. Guess who's our villain this time?

Wait, do I actually get to guess? Yeah. Okay. Alan Alda. Nope. Right back to Judge Jackson. We made a motion before Judge Jackson, based on the Department of Justice and the U.S. Bureau of Prisons policy of moving nonviolent high-risk prisoners from prison to home confinement rather than incarceration. The judge ignored those arguments entirely, postponed my surrender date by a mere two weeks. Okay. Yep. I'm sorry, Judge Jackson. I've been that thought every time. I've been doing that in my head every time I think of Roger Stone. I'm sorry, Judge Jackson. Oh, man. Yeah. I'm sorry, Judge Jackson. I mean, this does come into like that sort of weird in between place where it's

like, yeah, I can't really argue with the bottom line point that he's making. I just don't think it applies to him. Right. Well, that's the thing. I don't, the thing that got me about that, because normally I wouldn't even bother to cut that clip. He's just doing the whole thing. But I hate the way that they always get to frame it. They always let him frame it as Judge Jackson ignored my concerns. Yeah. She did not ignore his concerns. No. She wrote a five-page opinion on his concerns, having carefully looked over them, and even by all accounts, beyond fair. Like, I was reading the decision and there's a couple really good, there's a couple really good things that she gets in there. But while the defendant correctly observes that other courts in the stick trick

have granted extensions in other cases, neither of those defendants were was convicted of threat, was convicted of threatening anyone. And there is no indication that either failed to abide by conditions of release at any time. By contrast, Mr. Stone was convicted of threatening a witness, and throughout the course of these criminal proceedings, the court has been forced to address his repeated attempts to intimidate and to stoke potentially violent sentiment against an array of participants in this case, including individuals involved in the investigation, the jurors and the court. I remember those times. Yeah, Roger, you're going in there because you threatened to hurt the judge and put out a million where they're yeah, and it was the

credit code. Yeah, yeah, like the whole thing. Yeah, but here's my favorite one. The defendant's response to the court's inquiry concerning his personal preventative practices and avoidance of public gatherings in accordance with these directives was vague, carefully parsed and not reassuring. Jackson said, so he's still been going to TGI Friday. You got it. Yes, that's what he's. She's literally like, honestly, you're more dangerous to yourself outside of prison. You're going to end up at a fucking rally, no mask rally with Alex. If you don't exactly, exactly, she's trying to save his fucking life. Yeah, perhaps. Yeah, yeah, it just it falls on deaf ears for me. I mean, like at the same time,

if there were some sort of a house arrest kind of thing until things calm down and Roger did get that, yeah, I wouldn't be hopping mad about like he escaped justice. Like if there was like a something where he was still going to get whatever punishment societies deemed necessary, that it was just delayed for safety measures. I wouldn't be mad about that, but I'm mad the way he's weaponizing a legitimate concern for his own selfish purpose. Exactly. Because I don't see him or anybody who he associates with who have platforms advocating for people being released over health concerns. And because of that, this seems just hollow. It seems false. I don't care. Yeah, it's complete bullshit. Yeah. And here's where we get him praying to Trump.

I am praying to the president on humanitarian grounds to grant either a commutation of sentence or a pardon. Otherwise, in all honesty, I think there's a high probability that I would die in a federal prison prior to my appeal being heard. Now I want my appeal to be heard. You're sure you do. Oh, of course. Of course. Yeah, loves praying to Trump. I mean, and it's the it's the exact same message, too, that that's sort of the mysterious Schrodinger's appeal. Yep. It is weird that he is now on two platforms that we've seen saying he's praying to Trump. Yeah. That means it isn't a slip. No, I had to cut that. Yeah, praying to Trump. Yeah, he's being very clear about that. That's weird. Yeah. Yep. Probably should offend very religious people. You

would think. Yeah, you would think for somebody who is a recently born again Christian to immediately break those big rules. Yeah, should probably offend Alex, too. Well, they don't really bother with that too much seems seems like they might not. Yep. And then this is our last clip right here. He's going Graham ledger now is talking to stone. Sorry, Graham ledger. Can't not do it. Stone is for real. I went to self for sure. That wasn't that good. You get five points. You're too generous. You get five points. Make it four. All right, I will give you four out of 100. It's worse than the six billion.

It's worse than that. Cucumber. Fair enough. And then finally, this is how it ends. Or this is when this is the last time he says anything interesting. He pulls a tweet up and puts it on the screen. Graham ledger does. And this is what they're talking about. Once there's a petition out there, Roger, to try and get you pardoned, as you mentioned, by the president of the United States, this Lori Hendry made a post on Twitter and then significant. I know who Lori is. Maybe I should. But significantly, President Trump retweeted her tweet. Now, I don't talk a lot about tweets on this program, but I think that that is significant. Don't you? I mean, it would be in his interest to think it is. Why don't you know about who

this person is? That's why, because I was like, why are you putting a tweet up from a random person just being like, I don't know who this Lori is. I do hours of research every morning for this show. This guy does his homework. I work on this show every morning and nobody at all told me five minutes before to just look it up on Twitter real quick. I will say that that is bad on his part, but it's not a sin that's unique to these right wing ding dogs. No, no, no, no. A lot of these news outlets that rely on like social media farming for for like, oh, this tweet says blank, they do not do looking into who the accounts not interested. Yeah. So like that that is more universal problem of integrating news and social media together. But yeah, fuck him. That's stupid.

And the and the tweet that he's talking about is Lori Hendry. I looked into it. It's a real Twitter account. I was hoping it was a Phil Hendry character. I was hoping it was a Phil Hartman character. And he's actually still alive. That would have been the that would have been my goal. He's he's our JFK junior. He is our JFK junior. But yeah, she's a she's a conservative Twitter that's apparently a real person, but it's essentially all bots, right? Like she's got 300,000 followers or something. And the company Vine site, along with NBC News looked into it. And more than half of all of her retweets and shit like that are direct bot behavior. Yeah. So she's she's just made up. She's a complete creation.

You know, yeah, trying to get that that petition out there to get Roger nice little pardon. Why would Trump that's the thing. All right, you're telling me that Trump retweeted a petition to get Trump to do the thing that he could do. That seems weird at any point in time. Yeah. Fuck a petition. Just do it. Sign up list for the dirty dozen. That's what you retweet. That's what we're in for. Yeah, that's what we're in for. He has two weeks. This is a movie. This is a fucking. Oh, this is a Brewster's million situation. He has a like a time limit. There's two weeks to get together a team of the baddest dudes and chicks. You can find montage. This is a two week montage. A lot of people not making the cut.

A lot of people not being able to climb over that wall. You know that everybody has to climb over the montages. Maybe one surprising recruit who looks like he's fucking screwed never going to make it ends up surprising everyone. Here's the other thing. I would get John Gebrus to play that guy because he's a big dude. You know, but he also is pretty spry on his feet. So you end up being like really surprising that this big guy can move. Right. That's what I would do. All right. I like that. Here's my pitch for you. Let's add in Ross Perot. All right. Because Ross Perot Ross Perot. Oh yeah. Okay. Because Ross Perot famously trained some people to get prisoners of war out of a prison. So he's already got the experience. Is he alive? He's our Charles Xavier.

I don't care if he's alive. Okay. We got to get his ghost. Okay. Then let's get Ron Paul and everybody. Oh yes. All those people who are involved in trying to take over Domenica. Totally. Yeah. Dream team. Exactly. And who is going to be delivering the hard rice stand? Well Larry. Larry Nichols. Larry Nichols. Of course. I love this movie. Yeah. I'm really excited about this. Okay. I don't know how this works. We got to fit in Alex somehow. The only way I can think of is like Robin Williams character in Good Morning Vietnam. Yeah. Yeah. He's sort of a radio guy. But you know the truth out. Yeah. But you don't really need that because it's only a team of like 12 people. Well here's what we got then. All right. Who's doing recon? Who's in the shadows?

Who's in the bushes? Well grapple porn. Absolutely. But I figured out a role for Alex. Okay. What's Alex's job? What has he played in every movie he's ever been in? The Street Preacher Screaming Nonsense. You bet. Okay. So he's the diversion. Yes. Yes. Alex is with a bullhorn on a street corner somewhere. Totally. Maybe like a prison guards. Yeah. 50 cents off lunch. Exactly. Exactly. Alex's drug. Everyone's attention away. Yeah. Well Larry Nichols wheezes and everybody else. Could you let me into the prison? I need to use the bathroom. Then Elon Musk comes out of nowhere. Sure. Sure. Digging a hole. Okay. All right. He has the boring company. You know they bore the holes. You get in there and that is also

the tunneling. That's a diversion. That's also a diversion. So half of the dirty dozen is just diversions. Turns out at the end of this they're all diversions. None of them actually want to get Roger out. He sucks. It's a prank on Roger. They all stand up and be like this was great guys. Fuck Roger. We rat fucked you for the final time. Enjoy your short prison sentence. Exactly. So yeah that's Graham Ledger show and we can never speak of Graham Ledger again. Unless he gets better. Yeah. That's pretty terrible. I appreciate you checking in on it though because I know that a lot of people have suggested like hey OAN is rising and it is. It is. That's not because of quality. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. So bad that I had to fantasize about a movie about Roger Stone. Yeah.

Exactly. I guess we'll be back. We will be back then. Yeah. But first we have a website. Yeah. We are also on Twitter. It's a knowledge underscore fight and I go to about Jordan. And we are on Facebook. Yeah. And finally I am neither Neo Leo nor am I DZX. Going to help Roger Stone out of prison. Andy and Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex I'm a first name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.