Knowledge Fight - #454: December 17, 2013

Episode Date: July 8, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan travel back to the past for a special requested episode. In this installment, Alex Jones discusses every fact on Earth about soil, reveals that he's never read the book his worldview is based on, and hero-worships someone who would end up suing him a few years later.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge I'm a huge fan and love your world knowledge fight no no no no no knowledge fight dot com I love you hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight I'm dad I'm Jordan we're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you what's your bright spot today my bright spot for today is kind of trying to make peace with a fruit okay are we getting back to grapefruit no it's another fruit that I've disparaged quite a bit in the recent days on this show particularly as it relates to the year the seltzer I've said some really negative things

about coconut yes you have that's true and I've always tried to stay diplomatic on this topic that I don't hate the coconut I hate it as a seltzer sure it's just a disgusting flavor for liquids right so I want to take this opportunity to say something positive about coconuts all right that I have recently encountered in my life I have been exploring various like you know like I told you I have been having like oat milk uh-huh I've recently discovered that there's also other kinds of yogurt didn't know that necessarily there's no milk yogurts that's that's so there's a coconut milk yogurt okay fantastic all right I enjoy it coconut milk yogurt does the trick I just don't wait isn't just basically yogurt but it's got a little bit of a coconut thing to isn't yogurt

curdled milk though isn't the definition of am I a scientist that's fair you're not you're not looking at jordan and my milk scientist I know you answer me that one question you're the one who knows more about milks than me I paid a dollar at the store and I got one I ate it it tastes no okay yeah but you're a researcher you look not about yogurt why that's it's a good question actually we've now reached the point where I'm like yeah I can't believe you there should be there's some expectation that I would look into it I just haven't I've just been trying and honestly I want to be totally clear about this I don't know if it's healthier I don't know if it's healthier than like a greek yogurt or just a danon sure but it's pretty good I enjoy it I'm

just trying to diversify the the offerings that I have the the food offerings in my life and so I'm looking forward to 2022 whenever we hear the drop yogurt all right this is the year of yogurt again there won't be a year of the yogurt still going nope it turns out there'll be another year of the seltzer in a couple years sure because I just like seltzer it's delicious you like seltzer I have no updates on that front but I would like to know what your right spot is my bright spot is uh is uh uh the comedian david o'daharty dan I it's I might have over pronounced that name david o'daharty you pronounce it right okay no I haven't been particularly enjoyed a lot of stand up that's been released recently sure so went back and watched some uh old david o'daharty specials

and he's fantastic musical comedian tiny little keyboard little casio keyboard terrible singing voice oh boy incredible song right I might have to look into this because the way you describe it sounds pretty rough no he's amazing okay he's very very good like in a genuinely funny kind of uh dark miserable kind of I'm not aware of him although you did drag me to see another european comedian I at the yes yes and a on theater yeah and dylan mourn yeah no offense to that guy but I did not have a great time you know what I found a lot of people don't make it to five specials and those who do probably should I let's be real about I just remember getting pissed off because the bar had closed maybe oh that's right that's right with like half an hour left in the

show I had walked out to like get another drink because I wasn't enjoying myself the last ever was you just seething me turning over and looking after a kind of half-hearted laugh I demand more like anything is there anything here for you no not even merlot fine I didn't hold it against you although personally one of the lower points of our friendship because I remember that's true I remember that we went to that because your now partner didn't want to go uh no no no that wasn't different it was a different person who now different that's right that's right there's a previous relationship yeah that's right yeah my timelines a little screwy but not to worry so Jordan today we've got actually what is going to be I would describe as a very special episode

of our podcast all right and I don't understand exactly about drugs I'll tell you something about drugs okay stay stay away okay just say no okay the best policy thanks thanks Nancy learn that from a dare program did you have a dare program oh totally did you have a dare bear no what okay a dare bear I don't I don't know if this was just something that my school had but we had a dare bear okay went along with the dare curriculum was it like hair bear with just like deeds with dare on the stomach and shot dare love yeah and if you did really well in the drug education section of the curriculum or whatever they'd let you take it home for the evening and then you had to bring it back uh that stopped a lot of universal no never heard of a dare bear well I guess I'll

probably hear from some listeners whether or not they had their bears no we just had an incompetent city cop and his massive dog I think we might have had a similar some overlap on that yeah I think it was around the time that Care Bears was a cartoon sure so that might have been part of why that ended up happening any rhyme is worth going for at least once sure but that's not what's going to make this special it's not an after school special all right and I don't actually know exactly how the structure of this is going to go I haven't really planned this out incredibly well in advance okay but we will see what we're going to do is I'm going to give some shout outs to some folks who have signed up and are sporting the show all right right okay then

we're going to open up the mail bag okay then we're going to play a drop of the andy in Kansas sure and then we are going to enter a time capsule episode that we're recording for a listeners child oh that's great for them to listen to in the future the child I like this at this point too young to listen to how old how old I believe six six two young six listen to knowledge I don't know you start them young however this gentleman Robert reached out to me and wanted to create a time capsule of the day that his daughter was born okay for when she's old enough to listen to the show so she could hear what Alex was doing on the day she was born I got I want to go fuck dad why are you making me listen to this

I got this email and I thought it was one of the sweeter more uplifting things that I've heard in a while although twisted and obscured through the lens of our show which is never sweet sure sure yeah that's very strange and so I definitely you know I got this request and I said yes absolutely this is something that we would love to do to insinuate ourselves in some sort of a weird memory for your family in the future yeah yeah very I want to I want to get that letter I want to get that post-apocalyptic letter yeah should we all be around at that point right you might want to download this and put this on a thumb drive no less in case the internet goes out by the time put it but fucking make it a vinyl okay you want a physical

copy of this because the cloud is going down the space cloud is going down you may want to pay somebody to transcribe this into rock just chisel it into a stone to make sure it survives nao form knowledge white specialist right it's kind of strange yeah so I I mean honestly I think this might be a dual time capsule in the sense that we're recording this in July 2020 right and also it will be a time capsule of December 17th 2013 the day of Robert's child love it love it so we're gonna do that uh but I wanted to try and I don't know why because we're already talking about this and this is an episode but like I the way I conceived a bit in my mind is that we would play that drop and then we would enter it as if you know like that's the beginning of the episode

okay but then but only because I was like I don't know if this was a time capsule episode do they need to hear the donors I just don't know I don't know how this this works so anyway if you okay all right all right so let's get down to business I love this so first justin a thank you so much you are now policy walk I'm a policy walk next justin next joe w thank you so much you're now policy walk I'm a policy walk thank you joe next spiggy thank you so much you're now policy walk I'm a policy walk thank you spiggy next spiggy next cage spelled with a k a g e uh lesson is aati Lord last initial h thank you so much you're now policy walk I'm a policy walk thank you next Emily m I thank you so much you are now policy walk I'm a policy wonk thank you Emily thank

you next Joseph are thank you so much you are now policy w onk I'm a policy walk thank you Joseph and Andrew s Thank you so much you're now a policy you want I'm a policy wonk thanks Andrew and finally like to say thank you to a couple people donated on an elevated level we appreciate that very much so Kyle D thank you so much you are now a technocrat and Beard Beardsley thank you so much you are now a technocrat I'm a policy wonk crikey mate that's fantastic have yourself a brew how's your 401k doing bro all right we got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson all right let's just get down to business we ain't making that money off that heroin why you pimp so good my neck is freakishly large I declare info war on you and because in the future you may listen

to this preemptively though you're too young to understand what it means right now sure Robert his child V you are officially a raptor princess I'm a policy wonk four stars go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant I'll barbecue your ass it's over for humanity you're a beautiful soul you're coming for your balls well I piss all over your god very few people crap in the pool unless they're babies I piss all over the state make it a practice of calling people pieces of garbage when they are coming as you see fit thank you all um all right so Jordan let's get to the mail bag all right all right hold on zip are you telling me you're gonna let her miss that it was Beard Beardsley's shout out on this episode she's gonna just start at the next part come on she's

got to know beer Beardsley was here but see I'm too confused like I assume that everyone like down the road ten years from now or whatever they'll be listening to this part where we're doing this rambling introduction naturally as we all I threw in the raptor princess shout out just in case of course I want to give options in case you want to cut it off that's why okay this is an instance of I don't know what I'm doing I know I love it I'm having fun I'm not criticizing you in a negative way and I'm fantastic I'm not having a terrible time either although I am flummoxed um so yep uh-huh here's the mail bag here we go I'd like to say thank you to Bob Hartzell of the Algrotton press I sent sent a nice little package hard to call it little because there were a ton of prints

in there yeah of cool posters for shows a lot of very cool yeah a lot of venues around central Missouri too so there's a lot of stuff from like mojo's and the blue note which are places that I frequented and that as well as like some cool fireside bold totally yeah just great art and you can find his work over on etsy at the the Algrotton press there's uh there's some places you can find his work you should check it out it all looks really great um and I think it's hard to say for sure because there's no year on it but I think I was at one of the shows yeah one of these posters yeah I think that the decemberist show that there's a poster of I was at although that's hard to say for sure because I would have had to been over a decade ago yeah so but if it was

the decemberists were popular boom I didn't hold on what it wasn't even my choice to go to that show I got dragged along to it I had no idea who the decemberists were yeah and it was you weren't missing much it was a fine show I had a good time um but yeah thank you Bob I really appreciate it I'll get uh you know uh I don't know which of these will make it on the wall but uh I know you took a shining to the uh the uh the flaming lips poster yes so big flaming lips fan I'm a big flaming lips fan you like to battle pink robots I do love battling pink robots uh I am a I appreciate Vaseline in all its many forms did you ever uh do that thing where you get a bunch of copies of Xayarica and then you try and play it at the same time my friends did my friends did you don't really

like the flame I had no interest in messing around with we tried I was so I was I heard about that and my first reaction was like good on you fellas and if anybody listens good on them we did it and I don't know if it was better or not I was really high yeah see it told you about my drugs my uh yeah no when I was uh 17 my uh then girlfriend was on stage with the flaming lips at Lollapalooza she's playing the sax they do no they invite people up there she was dressed as an alien she did not play the sax she's not a good saxophone player she was a pianist actually so a little tiny piano like a little David O'Donnerty yeah all right Jordan yes sir next time okay Andy and Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding

hello Alex I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you hello from the past yes hello we're recording this in uh July 2020 where things are bleak yes if you if you are listening please make sure that you do not let the fire go out we don't know how to restart them anymore Kenny Loggins ah great song always um yeah we're recording this in 2020 where the world is a disaster and we certainly hope that things are better when this time capsule will be appropriate to open although I do have a keen awareness that there are a lot of people who are just listening to this on Wednesday in 2020 and they're not they're not loving I just want to say congratulations

to Martin Luther King jr's granddaughter on becoming president we do know that the time travelers have told us that yeah we we have no confirmation of it yet but you will know in the future of course so like I said Robert reached out to me and requested that we record this episode for his daughter V who was born on December 17th 2013 and in honor of that I have gone back and collected clips and listened to an episode of Alex Jones's from December 13th 2017 I'm sorry 2013 2013 to give a full idea of what he was up to on the day of V's birth that'll be interesting yeah and you know what hey you know you don't get to choose you don't choose your birthday and I'll tell you right now if anybody was born on this day they better hope they better hope that they

live to see the end of it sometimes you know we we've experienced this in the past like sometimes you choose a random day and Alex is past and it'll be like well this is a humdinger yeah I don't think that this is a bad or uninteresting episode but I will say that there is very little geopolitical importance on this episode of his show that's not a surprise yeah it's it's not a day where Alex is like really batting on all uh cylinder right right if you allowed me to mix metaphors sure so here though is an outer context drop from today's show when the tsa is playing ping pong with your wavos you're in tyranny sort of a jeff box worthy kind of thing that's nice tsa is playing ping pong with your testicles tsa you just might be in a tyranny you just might be in a fascist

or it could go the other way it's like it when the tsa plays ping pong with your balls that's a tyranny I couldn't decide which way it went but could be either all right all right so we start off this episode and like I got really excited just from the jump right when I heard because there's an interesting thing Alex's show is very very different in 2013 from what it is in the day that as we are recording this in 2020 and that is like Alex has a lot more focus he is like clearly has at least some idea of what he wants to do on his show okay he does like a maybe a couple minute like here's what's coming up on today's show here are the guests yeah I'm actually kind of excited to listen to this we've been listening to dirt yeah Alex for so long yeah and

especially in the present day like I was listening to Monday's episode from you know here in July 2020 sure and it was just depressing it was just like it's still just an extension of the like I'm not I can't even do it yeah yeah and so I'm glad to have this retreat to go back to to talk about but in his preamble talking about what's coming up on the show I was like oh god so good ladies and gentlemen coming up later in the broadcast this live Tuesday the 17th of December 2013 edition Larry Clayman the legendary constitutional lawyer that's of course waged war on tyrants everywhere he is going to be joining us he Alex is so excited to promote that Larry Clayman is coming up on the show for some context Larry Clayman is currently suing Alex

the two of them are in a blood feud about Alex and Roger Stone course landering Larry Clayman and his associate Jerome Corsi former info wars employee yeah so the two of them do not like each other anymore Larry Clayman has become a bit I mean he was a punchline back then too but even to Alex he is now sure kind of a guy's a dick oh how things change you know it's it's always what a hero so many things we see where it's like oh this is the same shit that's been going on since the 80s this this is good to know that some friendships do crumble hilariously I don't even know this is like friendship though like this is just like a convenience this is just an association of convenience that's fair and there's a lot of stuff like that that I see like looking at this

episode in particular especially as like a bottle episode there's like oh Alex likes Larry back there oh this guy was around you know there's a lot of stuff it's like oh my god that's that is yeah things are very different we're tourists in the past yeah yeah it's interesting um so Alex in his uh like amping up what's coming up on today's show he does say this and I will say this is not something he follows through with and of course as I said open phones and I'll open the phones up again today but I think it's going to be on specific topics uh because I really want to get your take on some of these issues we're going to be breaking down after the break we don't really get to calls and also if you have open phones but it's only on certain topics it's no longer open

it is not really open phones you have you have contradicted yourself we have closed phones right but it is it's still like I think he says that at the beginning of every show back at this point you know we're gonna have open right but it's only talk about this or even just saying you're gonna have open phones it seems like something you would say on a talk show at this you know of this sort yeah yeah in 2013 you're like oh we're gonna talk to people and then if you get to you get to it if you don't you don't well I mean the the point being people are gonna be like when's my chance to call so they're gonna listen through the point to where they're somebody's gonna say it's his turn to call right right it's a good uh it's a good thing to do yeah so Alex jumps into

the stories and uh here's where he decides to begin now where to begin when we come back there is so much to cover here so much to go over here how about some things don't change general motors says no way it will pay back 10 billion bailout money it used to move to china and brazil you don't just pay to bail it out you pay to have it leave the country only in america and if you don't like it you're a conspiracy theorist and a racist so yeah it is it is interesting you know Alex does have the like there's so many stories to get to of course that is very similar but in this case he does at least start talking about a headline that's true that's true so for what it's worth in july 2019 gm finally finished paying back to the united states government all

the money that it owed is part of the bailout that was later than it was supposed to have paid it all back but all 6.7 billion that was considered alone was repaid the government and by extension the taxpayers did still lose out here though because part of the bailout plan was to not saddle the company with an impossible amount of debt so some of the bailout was in the form of the u.s. government buying stock in general motors according to a 2014 article in cnn business uh quote although gm has been very profitable since 2009 its stock price never rose to the level that let treasury recoup that investment of course in on december 16th back in 2013 there was an article in the detroit free press with the headline quote should gm repay 10 billion

rescue cost ceo says no uh surprise this article is about whether or not the ceo of gm felt they should pay off the government for all the stock that it bought in gm which technically is not their responsibility and wasn't part of the bailout plan naturally the ceo said no and that quote treasury officials took the same risk assumed by anyone who purchases stock also alex fails to mention that in this article they explicitly discussed gm's plan to invest 1.2 billion dollars in five u.s. plants which brings their total for the past four years at that point up to 10 billion dollar investments in uh united states plants sure um alex is saying that they're moving to brazil and china but there are only three gm factories in brazil and all of them were open

before the bailout two of them prior to 1960 as for the reality of chinese gm factories they've been built because of the expanding demand for cars in china a 2019 article in cnn business estimates that approximately one percent of us gm sales are from cars uh imported from chinese factories and quote do not have any impact on us factories there are car plants in china because people in china need cars and it's way more profitable to not have to transport big-ass cars across the world just to sell them yeah that is smart there are definitely things that you should and can take issue with about the gm bailout but from everything i can tell alex just read this headline about the ceo saying he wasn't going to pay back money that wasn't alone and he's making stuff up about the

rest sure sure he's just getting raw he's getting mad about stuff that doesn't make sense when there's other things to get mad at yeah no i mean i i i do not appreciate the ceo's tone of like hey we just saved your entire fucking business we could have let you go bankrupt we could have saddled you with all this debt but we're not a goddamn venture capital fund and then you're gonna come back and be like hey man you guys did the same shit everybody else did no big deal that's kind of a big i'll see you in hell you dick bag like i don't know what to say if part of the arrangement in advance was that they would buy back the stock for the amount that it was sold for or whatever and they would pay back everything then yeah i would think it was a dick move but per the terms

oh no no totally right i mean they can't compel them really any stretch it's still a dick you would love to take sure you would love for them to do it out of the goodness of their heart your love for america you would never expect that to happen ever probably nobody would be nice so alex gets to another story um and it's pretty pretty pretty like a headline intensive towards the beginning of the episode that does not continue um but here here's the next one well ladies and gentlemen even mainstream media is calling it the rise of google's robot army the rise of the machines google search and destroy rise of the robot animals as they've now bought four uh in the last week and four more so eight robot companies uh in the last week as google makes the executive

decision to literally buy up almost all serious humanoid or animal type combat capable in the future robot systems freak out wow wow that was a lot of clauses that he kept adding to certainly certainly a lot of words a lot of words yep so google is uh getting a robot army together yeah yeah uh it's still coming yep i don't doubt that um and it is going to look really embarrassing if like down the road when this time capsule is open to google's robots have taken over oh man that'd be a real bubble yeah the black mirror episode they'd work it sound like assholes for uh critiquing yeah yeah uh so once again this is easily traceable to a headline from december 16th one of the things i thought was really interesting is like going through this and

like hearing the stories that he's covering it's painfully easy to just go and find the exact article he's talking about yeah like with the last one the gm article like that was really easy to find like oh here's what he's talking about yeah and the same thing with this it's just this is a cbs news article with the headline quote google buys eight robotics companies in six months why this article is primarily about google buying a company called boston dynamics which grew out of a project at the massachusetts institute of technology sure a lot of these investments could easily be understood as google trying to get in in the early stages of technologies that could be used for an almost mind-boggling array of purposes mostly in the field of automation if you look at it from

that angle there's nothing even close to strange about google buying up these businesses the robotic section of google was being handled by a guy named andy rubin who left google in 2014 according to sources who spoke with vox in 2017 this quote left a number of the companies without much direction about what their role at google would be so it should probably be no huge surprise that in 2017 google sold boston dynamics as well as their other large robotics interests shaft to a japanese company called soft bank the robotics companies were part of google x which is their developmental wing they saw a large potential in these companies but after the guy who was running them left things got a little rudderless and they started to realize that the innovations that were being

worked on were too far away from being profitable so they sold them off yeah they had already built the rosy the robot made with the google insignia on it so then they had to get rid of those and that's why in the jessons you don't see them sure yeah that's what makes sense to me that's what i saw in the white paper that's the only thing i i can see i mean like don't get me wrong i'm not going to say that those videos of like galloping robots don't terrify them they're great no no they're fantastic i'm not trying to downplay that we should probably shoot all of those on site i don't know how many times we have to i love horizon zero dawn so i know that i'm gonna need to invest in a bow and arrow exactly yeah how many times are we gonna have to have a movie say the

answer is they asked themselves whether or not they could not whether or not they should and then we watch it in reality happen and we're like guys have you seen any movies about you about you they're about you look at you building a black mirror episode yeah you're terrifying it's um it's not predictive programming it's a common artistic theme about hubris yeah well we won't make these mistakes yeah oh boy so the sense that i get from reading up on google's foray into the field of robotics is that it was kind of a mixed experience on the one hand some people accuse google of holding the field back by spending big bucks to hire some of the brightest minds in robotics into their research divisions where they weren't being used to their full

potential and therefore like innovations were held back sure that could have been uh maybe done outside of the yeah restrictive uh the purview of google and then others point out the fact that because google showed such a huge interest in robotics back in 2013 it led to other firms viewing robotics as a field worth investing in and so it actually pushed the field forward so it's kind of a it's kind of a mixed bag yeah nobody nobody has a complete handle on what the net gain or losses we just know that there's some gain there's some loss nobody seems like it seems like a lot of the sense that i was getting was kind of stifling yeah there's a lot of the feeling that uh some people had it in sort in hindsight um but i'm not i guess another thing is i'm not

in that field nearly enough or at all sure to be able to speak with any kind of authority no idea but uh anyway yeah i mean like the companies that alex is talking about um have been by this point sold by google sure and it was clearly not an attempt to create robot armies yes no not yet right not yet there's still time so in 2020 as we sit we are in the midst of the coronavirus the coven 19 situation which alex is believes is a bio weapon sure the globalists have released in order to precipitate martial law now here's what's interesting alex was talking about like bio weapon stuff back in 2013 yeah although the timeline and the order of events is a little bit different and listen you could grow up and be an adult and get ready for what's happening but you

won't do it you stay in a childlike a resident development three-year-old level i'm talking to new listeners saying this isn't happening oh it's happening well you're busy watching the nfl while you're busy into your favorite music star well well you're busy watching your favorite sitcom we're under total siege because the globalists are taking the planet over towards their goal to then bring in planetary rule to then drop the hammer they can't do it till planetary rules in because the nuclear war might happen if they release these bio weapons they've done the war games they know it's going to result in a nuclear war and they don't probably want that problem got to get the police state in place first and a global standardization before they do this and the minute

they get a real world government in they're going to up the taxes bankrupt everybody ten times worse and then they're going to drop the hammer so you can see here in 2013 alex's conception is they need to get the martial law in place first then they use the bio weapons to like remove a bunch of people now it's completely flipped the bio weapon is released in order to get the martial law in place although in 2013 he was saying they wouldn't release the bio weapon first because they've i mean usually would say actuaries but this time he said war games sure and they figured out that that would cause a nuclear war right everything's changed so it's the same like pieces but they're organized very differently i here's my here's my prediction now all right

i don't think anything alex says in any era is meant with any kind of actual predictive ability however i've now decided that we are comparing 2020 alex's predictions to 2013 alex's predictions and both of them or either of them will always be correct when they are in disagreement 2013 will happen to him um well he here's what i think is interesting i don't know if i agree with what you're saying at all but he i doubt it in 2020 thinks he's been completely consistent the whole time of course he has because he said the word bio weapon back that's true and therefore everything is the same right technically the things that he's saying don't match up no the predictions are different now the globalist plans are always 10 years behind that is true there's the possibility

that they themselves did a new study in new war game and they were like well this isn't going to start a nuclear war not releasing it is going to start a nuclear war so we got to release it now in order to take over to save us from a nuclear war i don't know anymore i'm following i'm following perfectly this makes sense okay so i know that i've been accused of being a witch in the past you have um by you which uh because of the way that times that i go back into the past there are things that are shockingly relevant to the present yeah and i would say that this is one of them and keep in mind that in all the episodes that i've heard of alex's show in 2020 i've not heard him bring up the name brianna taylor once every day i see where police go to the wrong house and shoot

someone and don't even get in trouble i've got two reports today in the stack of that and anthony gucciardi last night woke up to tanks armored vehicles you name it at the wrong house and big giant fat goblin commander cop with the swat team literally dragging some woman out who was innocent was the wrong house and a fake drug war where they ship all the drugs in to begin with alex is quite anti cop in uh 2013 he has he has a pretty i mean i guess probably not against like the individuals necessary sure you wouldn't say that he's a cab no i don't know i very much doubt that but uh he yeah he's he's like yeah the cops are going into the wrong houses and shooting people like you'd think that that would be right in his wheelhouse then to talk about this this woman who

is shot in a no knock uh warrant also it seems like that one is a very easy one to be consistent on yeah that doesn't seem to have a fungible moral position on it going into the wrong house murdering somebody and then facing no consequences for it yeah seems like it's outside of time itself right the only even in our time capsule episode she's not going to be listening to this in the future and be like oh no no we totally think that's fine now well hopefully never mind yeah and things are weird in 2020 yeah that's right we got nothing no it could be anything yeah um yeah yeah i mean like i guess the only thing you could really squabble over is like demanding more information you know like sure sure reserving judgment about individual cases until you know

more about them is really the only place i can see any kind of argument here yeah it seems very simple but i mean it's the same thing with alex and his like his love of you know carrying weapons legally and then you know flando castillo gets killed uh who carrying a gun legally and well gucciardi doesn't sound like a uh traditionally uh non non white name so anthony gucciardi is this guy who well ran like an alternative health blog and he got brought in to infors around the same time that alex was like pushing his supplement line sure and uh he's no longer there i think he hates alex now right i'm not entirely sure because that falls under the heading of like i've seen some videos of people talking shit about alex and i think anthony gucciardi is one of them

but that stuff that just doesn't stick with me because it's like this feels like gossip yeah okay and so but i if i understand correctly i think he hates alex now and he hasn't been seen in quite a while okay on in force but he was a pretty big mainstay around this time in terms of like being another health ranger kind of guy like he was a mini mic atoms right right sort of proto mic atoms no because mic was around then too oh okay mic is definitely in play okay and so is natural news um alex brings up dr group a couple times so he's definitely in the sphere he's collecting weirdo dr fakes yeah yeah gotcha but um yeah it's interesting to me that alex you know you see that you see this this principle that like i can't disagree with that cop shouldn't

be going in people's houses should be going into people's houses and murdering them i salute you very simple very simple and it's just weird that in the present day you just don't see then don't uh don't see that in a very and you know what it seems like it would be something that he could very like opportunistically support totally it could it seems like something that he could get points for being on the right side of and then and still i i don't see i don't see that happening but it would get him a ton of attention just to say that he doesn't want cops to murder people it would be nice like yeah so uh here we go and this is a nice uh i don't know maybe little sprig of parsley mm-hmm is uh 2013 alex like to sing

living on the road my friend gonna keep you free and clean living on the road my friend was gonna keep you free and clean and now you wear your skin like art and your breath is hard as kerosene weren't your mama's only boy but her favorite one of my favorite willy nelson murl haggard duets she began to cry when you said goodbye sank into your dreams sank into your dreams all right folks we are back live on this Tuesday edition uh alex loves poncho and lefty you know what's really interesting to me i think he only knows like three willy nelson songs yeah that sounds right i think he knows like some highway men poncho and lefty and then uh that grieve digger

when you dig my grief i don't see him being a big like variety of music guy like i see him as having a couple of songs that he listens to all the time or he does not listen to music he has some weird deep cuts though that that come out every now and again but with willy nelson it seems like he has maybe six yeah five or six songs sorry it's weird every single i maybe it's the only things that are covered by whatever his lisa agreement is for music yeah he's only got like these these ones he could play he'd love to play some of the shotgun willy or whatever well he's got now that's what i call music 22 now that's what i call will they had a bunch of willy nelson songs on i imagine maybe willy threatened him so he played these songs and none of you don't

touch any other willy's highs hell blazing let me tell you how it goes alex all right alex so this uh this is not what i expected to hear this next clip this was where i was like this episode isn't going to be about much and coming up in the next segment i am going to detail all of the facts here on earth and here on this planet dealing with our soils i was like hold on now hold on all all of the facts on earth dealing with soils what have we gotten ourselves all right okay we are now going to sit here and learn everything there is to go on this planet about soil the past used to be quaint but like 80 years in the past now 2013 is like oh look at you guys you guys are so cute in the past alex you guys are having a great time i don't want to learn about soil i don't want you to

teach me about soil i would again i would greatly prefer this look he's got we've got a man singing and talking about soils that's just a regular show that's just a regular show i was i was very confused uh when he said that and uh he doesn't really follow through with that but soil is a topic of conversation more than uh normal um alex gets into talking about uh scurvy in this next clip talking about the fda if you go on and do research you learn that the fda has continued to lower the minimum daily allowance of what they say you need a vitamin c vitamin d vitamin e vitamin k i'm gonna get dr marcola on about this don't do that as we can get him on get him on gonna need him or dr blalock all these medical doctors gotta get dr blalock nutritionists on

all day long they have lowered the level of vitamin c down to near scurvy inducing levels where you start having rot holes in your skin and your skin basically falls apart and you prematurely age how many people do you see who you talk to a 50 year old woman looks like they're 100 you go let me guess you read fruits and vegetables no i don't i eat at mcdonald's i mean that's why they literally i'll have rot holes in their arms they have scurvy i've talked to the nutritionist they get on vitamin c in a month it's the the holes in their arms are all healed so firstly i don't think that this hypothetical person that alex is impersonating who only eats mcdonald's would have their behavior affected too greatly by an altered fda recommendation

i'm pretty sure that no one would say i only eat mcdonald's because the fda said that was a good idea i follow their advice i used to eat all the fruits and vegetables but then they lowered the vitamin c limit so i'm like i'll just eat in mcdonald's forever now obviously if your diet doesn't include anything that has vitamin c in it you could end up in bad health but for most people you get what you need without supplementation an article in the journal of the college of family physicians of canada explored a slight reemergence of scurvy cases in 2008 from the article quote in a retrospective chart review conducted at the mayo clinic in rochester new york and scottstale arizona from 1976 to 2002 10 of 12 scurvy cases were related to alcohol abuse illicit drug use

and psychiatric disorders there are ton of foods that people eat regularly even things you can buy at mcdonald's that have vitamin c in them if you're having a specific problem that might be caused by a vitamin deficiency it might be a good idea to speak to a dietitian and see if there's something you're missing what is not a great angle is to imagine that you have a problem and the reason must be that you're not taking enough of something so you need supplements yeah that's the fear that alex is exploiting here in order to try and create feelings of deficiency in his audience's mind that he can then come in and solve when for most people there's no deficiency to begin with no no no i mean if you are a 17th century privateer then yes i agree

sure do not eat at mcdonald's all the time that's a terrible idea and suck on that line yeah get some lives going yes that's the plan right i mean it's one of those things it's like yes there are there are dietary deficiencies that are you know not as rampant as alex wants people to think but some people do have nutritional deficits and to the extent that that is real for some people sometimes supplementation can help sometimes dietary changes can be enough to get you into a better health but like what he's doing here is exploitative and predatory and not least of which is once again putting the blame upon a depressed economic sector as being like well why don't you guys eat all your fruits and vegetables you guys are just eating at mcdonald's

all the time discounting the fact that so many places are fucking calorie poor that there's really not much option to we can't all go to the whole food that's true you know that's true although i don't think it's fair for you to say that it seems like that's what alex is saying but that's not entirely what he's saying no he's also saying that the globalists are ruining the soil which is why he wants to do this long lecture that's fair everything there is to know about is that i will give him multi dimensions it's not just blaming people who can't afford maybe more expensive food sure and you know i live in a food desert or something like that he doesn't even unpack that necessarily that's that's kind of unexamined territory this is more

about the fact that just nutrients are gone from food they're taking it away from food right yeah and so alex gets into this is all because of an article that he read about they did some studies and they found that basically most people don't need supplements you don't really need no people yeah there are some people who it could be helpful too but largely speaking there are some supplements that have things that if you take too much of them it can hurt you totally and most people through a proper diet don't need them and upon publishing that research the billion dollar industry of supplements went oh no we're useless i guess we'll just stop nope they did decided to miss represent things oh that's smart the way alex is selling this and he has a really tough time

even committing to this angle because it's such bullshit um he's just saying that like oh the fda has come out and said you don't need vitamins all right that's fair that's fair too big a swing too big a swing yesterday they roll out with a huge pr blitz that vitamins and minerals do nothing and basically the case is closed and on cnn cbs abc fox msnbc everything my local paper has it in there uh national papers just everywhere chase closed you don't need any vitamins any minerals any supplements so he's presenting this as like the fda has come out to fuck vitamins fuck minerals when in reality you only need to eat rocks like a like a bird you put them in your gullet it helps digest the nothing will be damned um he had no idea but we looked into it and you should eat

paper and only paper listen turns out air yeah air that's all you need aerotarians do you know what the problem is you're not chewing when you breathe that's why you don't get the vitamins in the air everybody just needs to chew yep that is a innovation of 2013 exactly um yeah i mean i think it's pretty obvious what he's misrepresented and it's so transparent that as he goes through the episode he has to cop to the fact that what they're saying is if you have a proper diet you don't need supplements right but what they mean is that vitamins are nothing so then he has to extend it to like oh yes but it's impossible to have a diet that gets you all the supplements or the nutrients that you need and it's just like okay this is this is falling apart as you talk more

but it's clear it's it's a transparently clear thing it's like all right you run a supplement business right yeah while you're doing this very obviously all right did you know that until they created vitamin supplements all humans died that's true that's it's true unfortunately after all humans okay well there's that okay you're right but the fda caused those deaths yeah yeah so apparently i don't i don't know how true this is i didn't i didn't look into this because i just decided to accept it as possibly true and move along the idea that the fda has lowered the um the the allowance or the amount you should get of certain things sure i believe that's possible i would say it's entirely possible that you know further research has shown like you don't need this amount

you should have about this amount yeah i think that's possible people revise the food pyramid we grow yeah exactly exactly uh more access to more information means better uh advice now the reason that i kept this clip in is because alex is trying to come up with examples of things they've lowered the uh recommended amount and he fucking trips over his own feet okay they've lowered the daily allowance of what you need the government says of things like vitamin c and things like oil of oregano down to a level that literally regular starvation according to the medical doctors we've interviewed here so you got two examples one of them is vitamin c the other is oil of oregano did you know i used to take so much oil of oregano i used to tell you're joking because you had a

period in your life you could have actually been that's true that's an essential oils guy i don't remember three years those three might be those those real oil of oregano until the fda lowered the limit i was blind out of my mind i will say um i don't know if oil of oregano is something that everyone needs in their daily routine is it i think in the same way that vitamin c is definitely yeah oil of oregano is a real thing is it he might have made that up no it's so it's one of these essential oils it's um it's in the category with the fda of things that are like generally it doesn't hurt you sure so that i don't think it's controlled by the fda because it's just sort of like yeah it's fine because the supplement industry is like we're gonna give you a million

dollars you leave us alone it's a tell yeah that that's on alex's list yeah vitamin c and oil of oregano yeah it couldn't just come up with another vitamin b 11 say b 11 no one's gonna follow up iron nobody even knows if b 11 is a thing so um alex gets to talking about salt hey so stupid if you're watching on tv you can look at this or just go to the local supermarket and go look at any major salt that isn't naturally occurring the natural ones have good iodine and other trace minerals and elements in them come on now it says this salt does not supply iodine a necessary nutrient says it right and why is that because the feds pressured them in the 20s to put iodine in the salt because of literally millions of people being born mentally

retarded from not having iodine in the loom which is on record will cause all sorts of problems and lower IQs after birth and goiter that's people that look like their job of the hut with just huge things hanging under their necks uh where you look like a human worm africa is devastated by this china is devastated by china in many areas puts iodine in the water so this doesn't happen because it's just a plague of diseases and degenerative problems now that's a fact the feds by the 70s basically said remove it or we'll come after you remove iodine salt isn't that loving of them so the feds in the 70s look at that iodine salt hey we've been fighting you since the 20s we got uh we got the untouchables over here who had to switch things up now finally

in the 70s under the carter administration which alex hates desperately true but also the chinese are putting iodine in their water to keep this from happening yeah which is good but they put fluoride in their water which is bad so you never know i mean look iodine deficiency is uh like a real problem yeah we discussed yeah yeah totally but uh here's the thing the reason that salt that alex has from macormicks uh you know he's rambling about this the reason it doesn't have iodine in it is because it's sea salt you'll find the same warnings on containers of morton sea salts as well as just about any sea salt that you're going to find on the market the reason for this is that sea salt and table salt are produced differently and because of how the sea salt market operates it's

a product that generally is subject to as little processing as possible the salt comes from evaporating water which leaves flakes of salt which retain some of the minerals and characteristics of the source that they come from table salt conversely is generally the product of mining salt deposits and it's a much less niche product so we can have iodine added easily in the processing stages and it generally still does uh if you go buy any table salt it'll almost always be iodized salt but table but sea salt generally isn't i agree with alex in as much as maybe there should be better messaging to the world that sea salt doesn't contain iodine but i'm not sure i can go along with his imagining that this confusion is leading to any kind of large-scale iodine deficiency

in the united states because it's just not every day i'm walking around in all these hipster neighborhoods even in wriggly veal you walk around you have all these people wondering why they've got iodine deficiencies you can't go to a bar and get iodized salt then all bars sea salt covered sea salt covered you have a margarita sea salt well i mean to to an extent there is a reality that sea salt became a bit of a craze sure and it probably did have at least some effect on iodine levels now i'm not positive if it reached any kind of crisis point but it is it is a factor and if people aren't careful and only eat sea salt right right you get a tulip problem you're in you're in denmark all over again the reality is also salt that's

not the only thing that provides iodine you can eat seafood milk yogurt eggs even some breads and get all the iodine that you need to maintain proper health there are definitely serious problems that can occur from iodine deficiency and it's a problem that's important in the developing world particularly uh but this is not an issue the way alex makes it out to be particularly not for his audience again this is an example of alex working to try and convince his audience that there's something wrong with them that they didn't even realize which he can provide the solution to because i know that his business model relies heavily on selling iodine supplements it's hard not to see this as an intentionally predatory act yeah like he's going

through all this stuff about health things and so much of it is just convincing his audience that there's an underlying problem they didn't know they had right that he can provide a placebo solution for and it's pretty pretty shitty yeah taking advantage everybody feels bad sometimes taking advantage of that and just giving them this like no no no no what it really is is your iodine deficiency you need all this salt yeah and that'll do it for you put this put this supplement down your gullet and you won't feel depressed yeah so alex claimed you know he said that he's going to tell us everything in the world there is to know about soil yes and he doesn't really but he does mention an article so that's close so let me show you some of the articles let me show you the

facts number one dirt poor this is the scientific american because you get some good studies out there dirt poor have fruits and vegetables become less nutritious and they go on to break down major studies going back in the last hundred years from the university of texas at austin department of chemistry and biochemistry in the journal of the american college of nutrition and agriculture nutritional data from 1950 to 1999 with 43 different fruits and vegetables and they're looking at studies before that and what is in them metrically by numbers real studies they are debilitated in some cases by 98 percent vitamins minerals i have no idea where alex is getting those numbers from because they aren't in that scientific american article this is an article that's part of their

column earth talk where readers can send in questions which their writers will then answer this question had to do with whether or not fruits and vegetables were more nutritious 50 years ago and as it turns out the answer is yes but probably not to the extent alex is reporting the article sites an analysis by the cushy institute which found out or found that there was a 27 percent drop in calcium levels and 12 fresh vegetables they studied as well as a 37 percent drop in iron 21 percent drop in vitamin a and 30 percent drop in vitamin c uh did they finally get off their ass and do a study wow experts believed that there was a this was a result of focusing on agricultural practices that are meant to expand yield and crop size while ignoring processes that

could be uh done that would enrich soils the article discusses ways to push back against this like alternating fields between growing seasons and embracing organic growing methods in order to rehabilitate soils scientific american actually revisited this topic in 2018 to discuss new findings in the research as it turns out a new paper had been published in the journal scientific advances which found that quote concentrations of essential nutrients decreased in 18 strains of rice after being exposed to increase carbon dioxide levels in the experiment okay so climate change from the scientific american article quote agricultural scientists have known for some time that our food has been getting less nutritious but they thought it was only due to a byproduct of modern farming

methods soil overuse which leads to mineral depletion or breeders favoring high yield varieties which sacrifices nutrition for size meanwhile plant researchers working over the last couple of decades were finding something surprising that elevated carbon dioxide also contributes to lowering mineral content in plants the plant and agricultural scientists each had pieces of the puzzle but no one put two and two together to fully explain the nutrient depletion phenomenon until recently there's some evidence emerging that a large factor in nutrient decline in soils and plants has to do with excess co2 the plants need co2 to grow in the same way we need calories but if we have too many calories we become less healthy there are some who are

suggesting that the same is true for plants and co2 there are real issues here and there are issues that are particularly important again for people in the developing world but alex doesn't care about any of the real world aspects of this oh no he's using this as a prop to sell his supplements and it becomes really clear because anthony gucciardi comes in and it's all just a fucking infomercial okay so i've gone over some of that for you anthony gucciardi is coming in now just to cover a few of the angles and obviously i promote and sell vitamins and minerals that i've used that i believe in that have done wonders in my life and everybody that's used them you've heard the calls not one negative call on our proprietary nation iada it's blowing away of course it is this is

insane man this is like an hour of his show is spent with this weird like i'm going to tell you all about the soil which is all a prelude to getting into talking with ancient anthony gucciardi which is all just an infomercial for his supplement like man i was shocked at synergy it's really naked capitalism you know i was shocked by it because it's like a lot of this show it's a lot i was shocked because it's simultaneously more appropriate and crass are yes both yeah compared to how alex markets things today yeah it's so um it's very very pretending to not be an ad well it's an ad yeah yeah yeah but it but there's less like desperation to it that's what that's the weird balance the similarity and the difference there is it is almost more like uh skating by

back then than it is now just absolute like i need money i need money i need money and back here they're kind of like almost giving you a little wink like hey listen if you don't want to take your vitamins that's fine you're gonna die all the time if you listen what the fda says and i'm gonna talk about that that for next hour i think you can also see also you're gonna need to buy these vitamins from somewhere so i'm gonna talk about where you buy them from for the next hour i think you can also see how like it would probably be more profitable too like i have to imagine he's making more money on this one yeah yeah so anyway like i said this is all just an infomercial you know there's one reason i tend to get madder and madder as a three-hour show goes on each day

i don't like to work and that's because i'm looking at the federal state and university studies on the soils being 99 percent debilitated i'm looking at the brain damage numbers in utero of the humans developing and then after i'm waiting in the documentation they're taking the good stuff out of the food and putting the bad stuff in it this is just all like narratives and little darts he's throwing in order to lead people down the path to his uh his supplements and it's just disgraceful yeah so uh i'm not even gonna play any clips of gucciardi in there because it's but basically what you'd expect it's just you know how like uh when we went back to 2015 we were looking at it

and doctor group would come in for like an hour and they talk about it's the same thing yeah it's yeah um so uh gucciardi leaves and uh helix starts rambling and he's talking about how everyone's stupid sure and man like this just felt unnecessarily cruel our education over here in the us should help the us or should help south africa and should help the iraq and the asian countries so we will be able to build up our future for us thank you very much south africa and listen i'm gonna tell you the deal she's a very beautiful young lady i don't find her attractive a beautiful woman that is smart very attractive that is that woman is so ugly i mean and you know she'll end up being a trophy wife for some globalist executive who stole all their money that's what he wants a

wife that is literally nothing but a biological android sex bot who can't tie her shoelaces alex is complaining about people being dumb so he plays that clip of the contestant from the misteen usa pageant who gave that unfortunately incoherent answer to a question she was posed on stage i have a number of problems with this the first is that this woman was 18 years old and on a huge stage being asked a question that she clearly didn't understand and she had to respond to quick sure it was a bad meandering answer but it's really cruel to judge someone so harshly for it considering all the variables any of us on a bad day under a certain amount of stress could end up finding ourselves saying something equally embarrassing it's kind of mean to define

someone by that embarrassing moment particularly when it's a person that's so young the mockery and shaming about this moment was really severe for this this woman she said quote i definitely went through a period where i was very very depressed but i never let anybody see that stuff except people i could trust i had some very dark moments where i thought about committing suicide second this was from the 2007 misteen usa pageant and this episode of alexa shows from 2013 it seems like he's digging pretty far back just to take an unnecessary swing at this woman also just because it's fun after this contestant who is south carolina's katlyn upton went viral with this unfortunate answer and the video of her at the pageant got 15 million views on youtube

she was signed to a contract with a modeling agency worth up to 30 000 a day that modeling agency was owned by donald trump who also owned the pageant at that time we're doing great also another one of alexa's current heroes tucker carlson had some particularly unsavory things to say about miss upton as well appearing on an episode of bubble the love sponges radio show tucker said quote she'd probably be a pretty good wife if you had a wife that dumb would it be a good or bad thing tucker was 38 at the time i i don't understand how many 40 year old white dudes with a giant platform that they can talk to millions of people want to shit on an 18 year old girl at a teen pageant well i mean what are you expecting she's had a fucking pageant what i think is really interesting

is alex at the end there is like she's gonna end up a trophy wife for some globalist and you know tucker carlson and now alex loves tucker carlson of course and loves donald trump who signed her to a contract really yeah yeah the world is a weird it's a mad it's a moray of old white men shitting all over women that's kind of a how weird is that like a direct line very strange i swear i'm not a witch what's the point so alex has another guest sure he had he had got you already he had the gooch to talk of just selling shit yeah and now he has another guest which is also just another person that alex makes money all ten anderson with a mustache no all right we're joined for the balance of the hour by matt dubiella guy i've had a chance to meet a couple times in

austin he's had us on for a couple years now in his fine station he manages w ckg in chicago 1530 w ckg.com they got a power packed lineup uh there alex says he's a chicago affiliate guy the guy who owns the radio station on yeah dubious jubel show come on hey it's always nice to hear w ckg because then i think i you know i think it's sarin getty's song favorite actor denny come on sure matt dubiella is someone who has shown up over years on alex's show he's somebody who like just periodically will pop in yeah we've talked about him in the park i think his station is actually one of the it might be literally the only station i could find in the country that plays uh oan shroyer and david night's shows really i think it might be the only affiliate now i don't know if now but

the last time i looked into it like six months ago or so wow so thanks jubel yeah this guy sucks i guess the premise is that he's supposed to be on to talk about what life is like under rama manual sure sure great yeah i mean bad i don't know he lives in the burbs yeah so i don't care about his perspective on local politics but he does say a couple interesting things okay you know it's like you said there's a lot of good things about chicago i went to the the bears game the other night monday night football and and did cuz number was retired and it was a big deal and i had free tickets so we went there was nobody there no one now it was cold it gets cold here in chicago uh but doesn't that doesn't typically stop chicago bear fans from going to chicago games

i saw the same thing happen at the cleveland pittsburgh game the other day where the pittsburgh stadium was darn near empty well why is that why why is it that all of the storefronts that are for lease the retail spaces are empty something is going on and uh it's not um it's not by accident i don't think chicago is starting to feel a lot like detroit these days so this is a monday night game on december 9th 2013 the attendance at that game no one was there according to my dubio the attendance was 62 209 yeah but 229 soldiers soldier field fits 80 000 i believe give or take so what that's practically nobody that wasn't the highest attendance for the season but it's higher than the first three games of the season the two uh first two of which were at home games in chicago

this number of attendance is right about average for the past 12 years at least right there's nothing discernible that's out of the ordinary about the turnout for that football game i kind of think maybe like one of matt's friends just didn't want to go with him and this is how he's processing it could be according to the chicago tribune it was eight degrees that night with a start time of 740 ball me eight degrees though that factor alone could explain like the thousand two thousand less people showing up at eight degrees daddy also the average attendance at detroit lions games is actually higher yeah fairs games so i don't know what he's saying about detroit anyway i'm such a huge fan of how uncurious these people are you know like why does it feel like why are you asking so

many eminently answerable questions only to imply something instead of actually looking for an answer where you see that was a question that was an implication that i already know the answer you see the empty seats and like there's no one here instead of thinking like maybe it's really hard to sell out yeah 80 000 is a lot of people to get in any one place when it's eight degrees out when it's eight degrees out yeah that's like that was almost even like him calling out chicago's identity is like oh bears fans aren't even real bears fans anymore like screw you yeah i don't care he's from the burbs also you shouldn't be a bears fan anymore and nfl is evil fair enough etc so matt takes his kids on road trips they go drive across the country sure which i can relate to i've gone

across the country a number of times yeah it's fun he complains about some stuff here i've got kids ranging from 11 my youngest is going to be two in february uh and every year we take a summer road trip we drive around the country the great united states of america and the last two years we did a loop-to-loop we went through ohio and we went down to nashville and uh last this last summer saw it all jersey and back and as we drove through i saw firsthand the america that most of us don't see uh most of the people in in austin don't see it uh we live in very privileged areas the rest of the country looks like a bomb fell on it the rest of the country looks like its third world the rest of the country is is decap it's it's completely destroyed you got billboards where

you know companies just stopped advertising on them because nobody's driving down that highway the the uh the paper's blowing in the wind and i'm driving through there and i'm thinking to myself my gosh boy when my grandparents took my father and his brothers and sisters around the country to the grand canyon and stuff there was the majesty and the wonderment of traveling down route 66 and seeing these great little shops and these great little restaurants and these great diners where is it i don't know where it is i got a couple things to say about this yeah these are the guys who are supposed to be like la and new york elites think everything is flyover country yes you're like everywhere in america looks like there's a bomb one bomb so destroyed a

nightmare everywhere but the fly the flyover states are disgusting strange come on down to super love chicago verbs super weird for this this guy to have that approach and alex back yeah totally so my first point that i want to make is that this dude's purely talking about the aesthetic view that he's captured from driving along interstate highways yes sure things look pretty bleak if all you're seeing are old billboards and like out of date gas stations but that isn't the full picture of the other america there's a whole lot that's just a little ways off those highways that's vibrant which you totally miss if you're only seeing what's right next to the road maybe the fact those billboards are empty maybe that's not a sign that no one uses

those roads anymore maybe it's a sign that they never should have been built in the first place maybe they maybe it's just like a fuck those billboards let's take them down you know the chicago school of economics is insane but they did use the how many billboards are a filled metric of how the united states was doing yeah gvp dropped way down oh no is real bad maybe the fact that there are all these rundown gas stations around is a reflection of how much better our cars are than when they those highways were first built maybe maybe you don't need those maybe no one stops at them because we get much better gas mileage well you know stopping every 10 to 12 miles was really good for the local economies it was every 10 to 12 miles it was yeah and that's

what route 66 well that's basically the idea it was a huge deal in the early 1900s because it was a road that connected chicago and california but it stopped being nearly as important once other roads began being built and our highway system came into place early on its dominance as a cross country road allowed businesses to prosper along it because people had to use it to make that kind of trip ever since the passage of the interstate highway act of 1956 route 66 has gradually become less important now it's really you know it's just a thing you know there's some stretches that on historic route 66 everybody sees it it's been like read adjusted over and over again it's not it's not even the same thing it was like yes i i just tire of all of these people's harkening back

to a a past they idealize used to be right they used to be great dan it's not it's not a system that would really have any function nowadays yeah the idea of like prosperous businesses everywhere along a highway is not something that really would exist in the modern world no it's silly it's something that existed because of necessity right and opportunity at a time when cars were much less sophisticated yeah and there were less roads and no small amount of resistance to the idea of building railways cheap renewable energy railway there's a hundred factors to it and i don't care about taking seriously the opinion of somebody who is only on this show because he does he allows alex to syndicate on his station and makes alex a bunch of money

if you are a right wing reactionary dan there's one thing that unites all of them they hate roads yep or the roads are the they like the roads of the past well yes hate the roads the rates of the roads of the future a terrifying so mad dba dbl comes and goes now you get another guest and this guy sucks he's just on to talk about the tpp trans-pacific partnership and it's actually kind of an illuminating interview but not because of the interview but because it happens now let me tell you who william f jasper is as he joins us he's a graduate university of idaho and joined the staff of the john birch society in 1976 as a researcher and current senior editor of the new american so the new american is the publication that the american

opinion which is the original john birch society publication became right right and so this dude is just a big old bircher from way back like high end bircher and when alex like he likes to pretend that he's not just a john birch society guy but he is yeah he is 100 percent and whenever alex interacts with a jbs guy that comes out like this and he joins us to break down the de facto world corporate government first time i learned about us in the 21 in 1992 from william f jasper first time i learned about the un and these biospheres william f jasper and so he joins us now so much of alex's intellectual lineage very clearly comes from propaganda that was put out by the john birch society so i mean like when it's it's almost comical to me like the idea that he knows well

enough to pretend most of the time to not really be associated with the john birchers but he is he is absolutely first time i heard about william f jasper is when my dad was abusing me with his book and i decided to start reading it immediately following the literary child abuse yeah yeah yeah so in this next clip alex just makes clear that his lineage traces back directly soon to birch their authoritarian dartbags and the republican leadership is bought off by him that's what we got george p bushing he's a tea party or now they want to absorb the tea party that comes out of the jbs and the new american and ron paul and then alex jones and everybody else after that we're not radicals they say we're radicals all day they're the radicals usurping

our republic we sound crazy because we're covering their crazy authoritarian agenda or there's another possibility there's one more what's about it we got uh they're fucking crazy yeah there might be a wild uh uh out there yeah uh anti-communist they call us radicals and just because we believe in all the nonsense john bircher stuff yeah that's like what are you talking about uh john birch society makes sense sure so um you know he's like yeah they think that you know we sound crazy because we're talking about they're crazy uh and alex uses a shitty example and i told you all the crazy stuff about nero i'd sound crazy but i'm not nero i'm telling you what nero did marrying his horse everything else these power mad nuts must be stopped now

if you order by the 19th we can guaranteed whether it's yeah baby products and for his life dot com that's the opposite high quality coffee totally organic my favorite blend now brought to you and the old free market way to funder operation the info wars high def dash cams the lowest price you'll find anywhere on the same way and we bought them in bulk and offer it at the lowest listed retail price anywhere to document what's happening with the police bureaucrats wildlife you name it that's an info war store dot com so alex is selling dash cams getting in on the dash cam game in order to keep uh wild police at bay gotta stop them which is interesting because that's not certainly a concern that he has in the present day

trying to get his audience to wear dash cams in order to protect themselves from police also i love the idea that it's like you know we got to keep up on wildlife get those dash cams to keep up with wildlife you want to see some deer see how they're doing so also i should tell you that um uh nero didn't marry his horse no that wasn't him that's uh the incorrect legend about nero is that he married his mother who's caligula who was said to have made his horse his consort and also tried to make his horse a senator but a lot of that is probably not really historically accurate now alex can you even keep his a historical gossip straight yeah furthermore specifically i am i completely wrong in thinking that nero was who the book of

revelations was written specifically about people believe that that's about yeah i could be i could be completely wrong but i think that's an interpretation yeah i think it's just interesting that he would specifically bring up talking about how evil and and say nero was being crazy when his favorite book is talking about how evil well nero one of the things that's also interesting to note is the absence of explicit religious evangelism yeah there's that i mean it's gone without notice right in our conversation so far but like there is no begging people to accept jesus on this episode all right here's what we're gonna do i am going to tell you all of the facts about soil specifically the stuff that jesus died on i'm not positive i heard anything

about pedophile networks i don't think i heard anything about demons the globalists secretly taking orders from trans dimensional beings i heard nothing about the evil trans agenda sure no explicit homophobia really stuck out to me i mean maybe some mild racism but like it's alex yeah you would expect yeah it's kind of not too surprising i'm starting to think that maybe his wildest stuff now is that is not so much a view of what's outside so much as a reflection of what's happening to him that's very interesting i think this is you would say that i'm not a not a trained psychologist yeah well call steve pochenex okay we'll do so here i don't care about this interview with william jasper except for the piece of information that comes from it that is really

fascinating that alex is keenly aware that a lot of his ideas come from the john birch society sure and that that is where his political roots are he knows that he pretends it's not the case right but you know so he's trying to sell things in this interview to like he wants to sell like books by scousin sure and he wants to sell tragedy and hope carol quickly's book okay that alex believes lays out all the globalist machinations and all their plans he makes a startling admission so he's trying to sell this book he has it for sale at info wars okay yeah you can buy tragedy and hope there it's a very large book it's 1100 pages yeah now alex makes a startling admission okay this is in 2013 he's been on the air since 1995 so we're clocking in at what is that uh 18 years at this

point you got it it's available at infowarstore.com and then tragedy and hope that's i don't know 1100 pages or so that i see on william f jasper's bookshelf on skype you're watching us on tv where the georgetown political science professor bill clinton's mentor who he thanked in a state of the union admits they control liberalism can fake conservatism fascism and the trilateral commission and all of it is meant to bring in world corporate government and that it's only meant to look like there's the illusion of choice in politics i'm paraphrasing quotes this book and i've actually read almost the whole thing when i say that i probably read 800 pages of it over the years because i mean i skip over some of the more little factoid inside baseball stuff the factoid what wait wait wait

inside baseball stuff what are we talking about this is supposed to be like the globalist inside master plan shouldn't you be mostly focused on the inside base and i'm not really a palace intrigue guy with the globalist yes i'm more of a hard hard information from from my experience with alex this tells me he's read four pages maybe maybe he hasn't read maybe get the fuck out of here there's a lot of inside baseball go fuck yourself this this reminds me of how i always acted about infinite jest oh yeah i've read most of it i've read most of it that means i've read 20 pages something like that i just i don't know i can't do it i think my favorite the way i view about most of those books is a andi daily is el ron hubbard whenever he's like

and you're going to read something from your book and he's like i tried to read it and i could not make hide nor hair of it that's the way i've always treated those books and like i anytime but i always wanted to give the impression that i'd read more of it because i felt like it was something that i should have read and so i i always i always sort of acted like that sure whereas you know alex needs to have read all of this yes there is no excuse why in 1995 alex wouldn't read it twice yeah there's no reason why he wouldn't study this thing like it's the zebruder film in book form right it's supposed to be the inside revelation of exactly what the globalists are their plans their histories the most important book of all of these and alex in 2013 is saying i've i'm almost

there i might have skipped kind of get there i might have skipped a third of it 800 pages over 18 years averages out to about eight words per day is unacceptable i mean it's just not even that it's just straight unacceptable there's no way if you're giving this like facade that you're supposed to be given if you're alex that you don't say i've read every every word of that book well how would you well the only reason to say i've read 800 pages of it is because everyone you everyone knows you don't read shit yeah you're not going to make it more believable yeah 1100 is unbelievable yeah you're trying to make your lie more believable but they're like i've read most much like me i'm a human being and it just yeah i'm a human being but the thing is i'm admitting

that i was lying about reading in front of just alex is lying to what if one of those inside baseball passages is literally carol quickly being like dude i am totally fucking with somebody i don't know who's going to read this book later on that guy is fucked yeah so that was fun i enjoyed that that was a really yeah bleak moment 800 confirmation for me about how much alex is making shit up finished it i'm gonna guess no seven years on i think he's got time i think he's not a reader at this point and he has much less now probably but we now get to the the piece de résistance for this episode and that is larry claimant hey buddy alex tees it at the beginning and he pays it off at the end free to watch us a dot or g larry claimant was the

founder of judicial watch i remember interviewing him back in the mid 90s right to 2000 then when bush got in he criticized and sued over unconstitutional activities there and now he has really turned up the heat with obama because it's just the orgy of constitution violations has has become dictator level yes we're very concerned about those having to admit that so he's a real trailblazer and i'm very thankful that he was able to give us 10 minutes today he joins us live alex has to take scraps oh he has to take 10 minutes scraps from play rightful to larry claimant yeah oh he loved larry claimant back then man this is this like i mean i already kind of knew this but it's just fun to wallow around in the mud a little bit but like the turn is serious it's

stark it's like i love this guy to the point where i mean he's an overdrive too so this is past when his show is supposed to end this is past the three hour mark so he's extending the show because larry could give him 10 minutes oh yeah he loves it oh man but there is a reason and that's because larry recently got involved in a little bit of a lawsuit sure it's one of the only times in his career that things have looked kind of good you could say that every day of his career he recently got involved in a little bit of a lawsuit but this one is one that like it you know how when like ron paul won a couple of the caucuses sure it had the appearance that like huh the crazies were like oh this is our chance man we're gonna do it this time december 16th 2013 was that

day for larry claimant here's the headline cnn judge nsa domestic phone data mining unconstitutional who brought the case who won it when everybody else has been failing larry claimant and then if you continue politico says larry claimant crows on nsa when we hit the mother load i'm glad he's proud of defending the republic so claimant had just won this lawsuit titled claimant versus obama which resulted in a judge ruling that nsa bulk surveillance was unconstitutional nothing was done however because any kind uh any kind of injunction was stayed on the assumption that the government would almost certainly appeal yeah when this reached the circuit court the decision was vacated because claimant couldn't prove that his records were collected which meant he didn't

have standing to bring the complaint he was the lawyer and the plaintiff i was hoping it was because he wrote most of that in a very overused crayon larry added someone to the lawsuit who did theoretically have standing but then in 2017 the district court dismissed the suit entirely in 2019 the decision was reaffirmed and this is did not do yeah i didn't go anywhere no all right but also that program that he was suing over was ended by the time right right this was going on this is just him trying to get attention out of snowden yeah he's trying to get some juice when snowden came out with his revelations larry filed suit the next day he's trying to ride that wave basically and he got pretty lucky here in this 2013 verdict or this decision from the judge

but it with all hindsight it ultimately was meaningless right but looked really good right which is why alex is forced to take his scraps yeah because larry at this point he's going everywhere well but i mean also if you're someone like alex at this point you might have every reason to think like larry fucking actually got one yeah yeah this could be huge we're on the ground floor of what's going to turn out to be the the yeah and it ultimately was nothing no yeah larry claimant did nothing he's an embarrassment and in june 2020 he had his licensed practice law suspended for 90 days which unfortunately jordan could get in the way of his 20 trillion dollar lawsuit against china i don't think so over covid 19 yeah we didn't lose is he didn't

lose his licensed practice practice law in china i'm sure that it can still work i have no idea i don't think that's going to go anywhere anyway here's larry talking about he's humble you stay in ground that doesn't sound right i'm not equating myself with jesus christ no but i'm holding you up a smile that took action and won all right i love the idea that larry is like hey i'm not comparing myself to jesus christ but and then alex is like no i'm holding you up as an example of someone who alex is pushing back on larry not got comparing himself to jesus you know it's almost it's it seems more egotistical and narcissistic to compare yourself to jesus christ but i'm really glad he didn't go with rosa parks here or martin louis the king your jr this is

where they do it this is where they take that job where they're like i'm going to steal rosa parks like it's way more insane for them to try and steal rosa parks sure jesus didn't really do much but wait a second he just died a second those miracles are it's a matter of perspective that god just had some dirt in his eyes okay come on man i know you're on lenny bruce mode over here trying to trying to take down all right all right i'll come in for him calm it down he's so edgy jordan to hear your anti religious material that's what i've been banking on so i don't care about larry's appearance much because it's just able to be like yeah i'm pretty great i'm pretty great out of those yep like and we're very excited to keep going and we're gonna take obama out whatever

it all didn't work out in hindsight um there's one last clip and that's just to really bring home the fun of alex just loving larry claiming and knowing in the present day larry is trying to destroy alex and infowars they don't like him because he he really believes in what he's doing and none of us are perfect but he really believes in what he's doing and he's a good guy he has a lot of courage that's what you say when someone is on the right team for you at the time man yeah he's a great guy he's got a lot of courage now let's piece of shit i hope he dies tomorrow don't care don't care let him on fire roger yelling at him in a deposition about the computers and where's the last larry larry just fucking go go into town on him so that brings us

to the end of this it was a really interesting thing to go into because it's so trivial and a lot of ways going back into this 2013 episode there's like it's mostly an infomercial for his supplements couched under the guise of a the soils back yeah yeah and then you've got these weird interviews with his station guy from chicago the john birch weirdo right and larry claiming Boyle jasper and claiming dubia yeah dubia that's it uh yeah so but none of them rise to the level of like really interesting like even the interview like the interview with mad dubia dubial i just would scrap like i don't care i don't care about you doing interviews with someone who airs your show yeah that's useless no that's terrible the anthony gucciardi is like this is

just brokered programming basically for your supplement line the jasper interview you know just fill in the blank with any conservative yelling yeah yeah it's not really that interesting and then harry claiming is just embarrassing this is but it's a nice retreat it's a nice it's a it's a nice reprieve uh from uh the present day of alex being a depressed husk of a person and calling for outright murder well yeah and lying about things that have such a like real world impact on our lives yeah you know like well maybe not actually but the topics do like we are living in a time that is our lives are touched and affected by things like the black lives matter protests sure the conversation that's happening around those is really relevant and it

matters um the covid 19 situation and whether or not people take things seriously and adhere to some limited measures that's important it's relevant it touches our lives and it becomes really difficult to have a show that's as lighthearted and fun as i want it to be a lot of the time because it's like hey tomorrow any number of people who listen to this show someone might get hurt indirectly by something that uh we're talking about like someone could get covid 19 or someone has a could have a loved one who could get sick and maybe uh you know unfortunately have uh a difficult case yeah um and it's really hard to not have that in your mind when we're hearing him lie about those sorts of topics and so it can be kind of nice to look back on this time yeah it has

a little bit less stakes to it totally man singing talking about soil that's great yeah that's great and you still and you're still allowed to learn a little bit totally like we can learn about the evolving understanding of nutrient deficiency in soils totally sure so it's worth it yeah as far as the time capsule goes it is both nice now to have the time capsule of look at us in the present looking back at 2013 and being like oh that's right i remember the show that i signed up to cover a little bit i signed up to cover weirdo john birchers and soil takes more that's what i'm and then in the future yeah maybe we'll get back to that yeah yeah and uh it does make me realize that uh you know there should be more uh time being able to flash back a little bit is kind of

restorative in some ways yeah yeah yeah um and uh yeah we'll be more i don't know we'll see yeah we'll see um but a happy birthday theoretically i don't know if uh robert's going to play this for you on your birthday v but if he does if he does happy birthday and uh i'd like to say um thank you uh to robert for you know being a fan of the show we appreciate and allowing us to uh you know to be not to be overly modlin but to to uh to do this happy it's very weird and i appreciate yeah yeah happy 18th chalk mark on your cave wall maybe it's nice to it's nice to know that we can all celebrate that together um and then um oh yeah the other thing i would say is sorry that like i think part of the idea that robert had was that um you know get get a sense of what was

going on on the world yeah on feast birthday yeah and i don't think we know that no that's not what we're here for i think from looking at alex's show we have very little idea what was going on in the world at the time none we know that larry claiming just one case that's about it sorry we can't provide more insight but alex doesn't always do a great job no matter also google has robots google does have robots no matter no matter what era of alex we're looking at yeah you're going to learn a lot more about an alternate present than you are about anything that has to do with your life yeah so um anyway if you're listening in the present we'll be back uh makes no sense to do plugs because by the time this episode is used for its proper purposes we'll have taken over

google's robots and we'll be commanding you have to assume facebook and twitter are going to be gone by then sure sure so anyway we'll see you next time here on the podcast uh but uh until then uh i'm a juicy ice cube andy and chan's us you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you