Knowledge Fight - #458: July 14, 2020

Episode Date: July 17, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan end the week-long "Will They/Won't They" about when Roger Stone would finally show up on Infowars after being saved from prison last Friday. Also, Alex does ads for a product he ...can't sell yet, lies about Covid news, and accidentally reveals that he has no idea who Haile Selassie is.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge and your knowledge fight need money andy and tanzas stop it andy and tanzas it's time to pray andy and tanzas you're on the earth thanks for holding hello i like some of this i'm calling a huge fan i love your word knowledge fight knowledge fight dot com i love you hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight i'm dan i'm jordan we're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about alex jones oh indeed we are dan jordan dan jordan quick question for you what's up what's your bright spot today well uh as is
Starting point is 00:01:13 becoming uh kind of routine no routine necessarily but it's it's such a bright spot on a fairly consistent basis i've got a zip open up the mail bag check all right all right it it does brighten my day quite a bit to end up having things fly in and just totally show up incredible um so from lee uh over across the pond lee across the pond in the uk all right sent over a four pack of some i mean i'm showing you this box is just a repackage box it does look like a surveillance box of some sort did not did not get a note per se but on the flap of the uh the box a very nice note about how this this tonic water is really nice tonic water is best involved with a splash of gin okay i am currently not partaking in the gin yeah except for cold gin the kiss song i listened
Starting point is 00:02:04 to that quite a bit dylan mourn the comic that you hate so much i'm just uh bad night he called in one of his specials he called gin just mascara thinner it is only drunk by paul stanley women on the first step they have a they have an entire song about uh how cold gin is the only drink no i'm not a gin need to know that kiss our weirdos that's all you need to know yeah get rid of that whiskey cold gin how dare you what how dare you so from lee keep up the good work it's cheaper than therapy from your friends in the uk i've not had a chance to drink these yet because they are really they look classier and maybe it's just because i know that they're not american but they're condescending to you as we speak i want to yeah i want to as a point like with these
Starting point is 00:02:55 these good and gather seltzers and stuff i'm fine just chugging them wasn't just like i'll drink four in a night i don't give a shit i want these to be a little more special so i'm holding off on those maybe we'll do a q and a episode where we test out the nice tonics you can have it with jen and i can have it to the street oh how dare you attempt to drink me is nothing more than a regular self speaking of which also we've got a bunch of hot sauces from piggy's vegan hot sauce wonderful thank you very much we have an episode that we recorded where we taste tested those a q and a episode that'll be coming out shortly um and so you'll be able to hear jordan and my real time reactions totally to these hot sauces and thank you for sending those um and then one more
Starting point is 00:03:36 thing here in the mail bag i got a little note oh it's got a lovely turtle okay i i like turtles inside this note dear dan and jordan thank you exclamation point dave a couple of owls on the inside all right all right on the back it says p s i just wanted to make sure you get plenty of mail i'm gonna put that on the wall you know i'm gonna be straight with you that's great yeah who's last time you actually got mail you know like that's just a thing now it's all bills it doesn't pop up in your inbox when you're looking at g mail that shit shows up like a physical thing took the time to put something in an envelope yourself fucking stay upon it yeah just just for me to open it up and be like i want to make sure you got stuff in the bell all right next day we
Starting point is 00:04:19 appreciate it federal government got involved in that yeah so that uh that was a pretty nice uh day brightener that's one about you buddy uh i have a simultaneous maybe the brightest spot in my entire life and maybe the lowest spot in my entire life all happened on the same day i i released the book and people have responded very well so many people to the point where like if if downloads were book sales i would have an outside sought on a on a slow week to be on the new york times bestseller list isn't that amazing that's amazing sure that's really cool and then about uh what a few hours after i released it i got the news that my aunt was not going to be around uh for much longer to the to the tune of uh just a few days so
Starting point is 00:05:09 it was uh it's like it's weird how the proudest day of your life suddenly becomes uh the saddest day and and i just i just thought about this she was fine three weeks ago yeah and now that's it's going to be you know less than a few days and this is all too common a situation now you know it's not covid she has uh stage four uh cancer which is uh something that happens you know it just happens it doesn't happen because a lunatic stole an election you know like all of these families 130 thousand families are going through what my family is going through right now and unnecessarily uh due to just just cruelty just monstrous monstrous cruelty existence yeah that's ain't that the truth i mean that's the way it seems it seems to be what you're saying is a cruel joke
Starting point is 00:06:08 yeah it is a cruel nightmare great great great spot every every moment i said it was the brightest and the lowest spot it doesn't get much worse than that and now it is really sad yeah and it's uh yeah it's tough and so i just uh you know like i don't know how to be sufficiently grieving i just like this is terrible and and i i'm a comic so yeah this is how we deal with it yeah there's no wrong way and enjoy him uh what we do and that's how i cling to it and how i grave so there's no wrong way except uh i guess denial yeah yeah and that's not even wrong that could be part of your process but part of your process yeah and uh you know it it's tough and i'm sorry you're going through this and i'm sorry that she's going through this um but uh you know it's uh
Starting point is 00:06:58 it is unfortunate uh the life life it life includes that yeah so sorry to start off on a depressing note but at the same time motherfucker i like i've always dreamed of of that kind of possibility of writing something and people responding to it so it's and as much as you're connecting these two things they're not connected they're not connected it's not my fault yeah and a little bit my fault and uh even even though your aunt is passing which is very tragic uh most likely uh there's still you know a lot of love that you've experienced between the two of you and you can you can hold on to that and you can celebrate that the part of what she meant to you and uh and carry that with you moving forward you know you can hopefully not everything even though
Starting point is 00:07:44 it's hard and and painful not everything has to be fully negative as a certain uh swampy waterbender once said time is an illusion and so is death so that's thank you avatar for helping me out sure i mean so you're gonna you're actually going to yeah i will not be here for the for the monday episode we're gonna try and maybe do something uh with a guest or something or possibly maybe we might take it off not entirely sure but uh to be going to visit yeah so um uh yeah i'm uh you know it's depressing but fuck yeah let's uh let's live our lives and uh you know be people have fun let's do it all right i'm in good message i'm in dan all right let's do it so um that uh note aside yeah it's gone now we've dealt with it okay life is over all right so
Starting point is 00:08:40 jordan today we've got an episode to go over we are talking about just one day uh july 14 all right tuesday 2020 i'm dan this is tuesday dan there's only one thing i want you to tell me and that is roger stone still doesn't show up see now it has to happen no you got to tell me that he doesn't show up i can't tell you that because he does show up yeah i i know i'm sorry to ruin the suspense brutal brutal but that kind of i mean like on our last episode i was pretty clear that like it's obviously he signed an exclusive totally totally hannity is a higher priority to him because it's a real show where it's going into people's homes and you can you can convince uh people who aren't info wars listeners to listen to you and that you're a hero i can go on a show with 10 million
Starting point is 00:09:25 viewers first and get all this kind of attention or i could go on a show with at most a hundred thousand listeners and not be invited onto any show ever again yeah i can i can honor my friendship in my partnership with alex jones right at the expense of larger platforms right or i can kick alex in the dick like i do all the time yep and it doesn't matter he keeps crawling back to me yes and i can go on hannity's show and talk to a guy who was represented by trump's personal lawyer yeah yeah who gets exclusive interviews with trump where maybe it'd be smart to be close yeah and campaign managers are up in the air so who knows we might get stoned comparatively like it's the right choice to make because uh one one guy gets exclusives with trump and buddy buddies with him
Starting point is 00:10:17 and the other keeps talking about that one time from talk to him yeah and how he's spiritually connected to him yeah and they telepathically communicate right i know who i would probably if i were a shithead right wing con person who i would prioritize and roger made the right call but he has to show up eventually because he can't go on hannity every week no he does need alex as like a parasitic base yeah yeah and so this is honoring that and alex is going to pretend like it's totally fine yeah but it's not it's not so i i feel like this is sort of the payoff of our weak narrative you know like we've had sort of a storyline going over the past week which is you know it started with roger's clemency and and non appearance right alex getting into
Starting point is 00:11:04 wayfair right conspiracies or not at the beginning then convincing himself to be involved in wayfair conspiracies he's a while roger still doesn't appear of course and now we've got roger finally showing up and alex doesn't even bring up wayfair we're in a real ross and rachel kind of situation here well and i guess wayfair is the monkey did he keep the monkey yeah i don't know i don't know it's very confusing but um here we are and uh because you know sold it i must say again i'm dan this is tuesday all right that doesn't frustrate let's do it let's do it all right so before we get into today's episode drudden let's take a little moment say thank you some folks who signed up on our sporting the show so first jonathan are thank you so much you are now
Starting point is 00:11:47 policy want i'm a policy wonk thank you jonathan thank you next erin kay thank you so much you are now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks erin thank you next sunset thank you so much you are now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk i think sunsets next uh joe el thank you so much you are now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks joe thank you next uh colt reard arian passor thank you so much you are now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk i was assured that was nothing untoward was that towards me it feels like that oh no it's back there on uh experience uh in a alternative living kind of thing i was promised this is not some sort of a code uh or anything so i'm not blonde so we're all right there yeah next anna are thank you so much you are now policy wonk i'm a
Starting point is 00:12:28 policy wonk thanks anna thank you next wade thank you so much you are now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks wade i'm gonna tell myself that's bogs i like a little wade i like a wade like a wade bogs good stuff thanks jason k thank you so much you are now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks jason thank you and then finally uh this this is something that this this is not a title that we have anymore but we did in the past and it's you know this this person has required or not required but requested yes that i call someone a globalist all right and so on behalf of tasha i've got it call uh nick hell it's a n i k h i l nickle nickle whatever however you pronounce that you're globalist i'm a policy wonk globalist thank you very much so if you're out there listening
Starting point is 00:13:14 and thinking hey i enjoy the show i'd like to support these gents too you can do that by going to our website knowledge fight dot com clicking the button says support the show or you could take that generosity and toss it in the direction of a charity in your area that is helping people in need in these trying times yeah so we would appreciate either indeed so we start off on the 14th and uh look man roger's on roger's on but he would have been on before no he wouldn't well he would have no he wouldn't he would have it now he signed an agreement he would have been on before he hung over he would have been on before all right he would have given alex exclusive but roger stone would have given us the exclusive yesterday as he promised me to do
Starting point is 00:13:52 uh but he had to get clearance and had to get the clemency letter first sure and had to check with his probation officer oh of course so he gave it to hannity that's fine i'm glad he's at least out there and able to speak in the so-called free country sure you are sure you are alex oh dripping i love ripping i love the idea that roger told me i go dude i want to give you the exclusive but i needed to get my clemency letter i needed to get the clemency out of here get the fuck out of here that's why i'm going on hannity first sure alex you're still a very important boy don't worry oh absolutely absolutely come the fuck on it's ridiculous so alex does have roger on i'm not just playing games he will show up sure sure but
Starting point is 00:14:37 i mean in terms of guests uh alex might have a bigger heavy hitter on this episode okay we have jim hoff's brother who's lived in hong kong as an executive and looks at the numbers been writing a bunch of big articles for gateway pundit he's going to be joining us as well so much to cover today so you got jim hoff's brother jim hoff's brother i almost thought he said jimmy hoff is brother no no no jim hoff is like are we calling him jim hoffa now no jim hoff is the guy who runs gateway pundit right right and his brother look dude if you're somebody who has like their own reality and their own expertise and reason to be there your credit wouldn't be your jim hoff's brother no that to me is a bad sign yeah because this guy i guess his name i don't even remember
Starting point is 00:15:22 what it is he's jim hoff's brother sure but if if he was somebody who's like oh shit let's listen to this guy you could just say john hoff is on yeah and that would mean something yeah like my brother would be not somebody you'd want to talk to about alex jones related issues right he's a really smart interesting guy totally and he has his own world where he's relevant yeah and you know what the stuff that he does i couldn't comment of course not we could not comment on each other's areas of expertise familial ties does not imply expertise exactly so having my brother on on a show that's like talking about right wing propaganda would be like it would be silly to be like dan's brother is yeah yeah great who cares yeah i don't think i've ever wanted to be brought
Starting point is 00:16:06 up to this is erin's brother i don't think that would i don't think that would work well for me you're you get just for laughs you're coming out in Montreal and they're like welcome to our new faces show erin's brother i don't know yeah what have you done i don't worry about oh also if your credit adds jim hoff's brother is you right for the thing that jim hoff runs yeah i have further questions about your your bonafide is whether or not you're worth listening to coming up next we have the concept of nepotism right over here come on down great so this is this is where we're at i guess we got roger stone coming in real late and jim hoff's brother this is sad yes yes it is and in fact i turned this episode off i think alex
Starting point is 00:16:53 did the fourth hour uh but he kind of made it sound like him and paul joseph watson were going to do it together so it was like no no tag team on that don't care nope so alex isn't a bit of a bad head space early on and he finds himself um in a situation where he's warning his audience that the time will be fast approaching you will need to fight for your life sure you'll need engage in mortal combat okay you will be forced to take action you will be forced to fight for your very life because when it was easy to win you didn't stand up for the unborn when it was easy to win you didn't stand up for the old people when it was easy to win you didn't stand up for your own right your own territory your own freedoms and what are rights rights aren't just the term
Starting point is 00:17:36 a right you have it's a right that people fought for so there are rights of passage there are rights of blood payment that you've been living off of that i've been living off of all of this large yes was money in the bank it was blood in the bank it was blood sweat and tears it was paid for but we took it for granted alex might not realize it but he's using two different words there that just sound the same if i have if it's a homophone it has the same definition that's why we have the word homophone so right describes things that you're entitled to things that cannot be denied to you by virtue of you being a person there's a bunch of different like sort of slight definitions what's all around right the other word rite is a word that means ceremony
Starting point is 00:18:20 or custom these words have different roots and completely different meanings but they're pronounced the same in english so i could see how alex would treat them as the same he would be more comfortable if it was pronounced right you will that would make more sense to him he can't get the whole ritual right and ritual don't seem to yeah there's not right's of passage also it's weird that he's claiming that these rights are fought for because that's completely out of step with the underpinnings of his patriot right wing ideology inalienable means fought god give them no no rights are not fought for they exist by virtue of being given by god the the the fights that have happened in history they've happened against people who would seek to infringe those
Starting point is 00:18:58 rights but they can't do anything to actually take those rights away from you even in a tyranny or a dictatorship you still have rights and in fact that's a large part of what makes authoritarianism so evil is that these people are working to temporarily deprive you of that which god has bestowed upon you alex saying that these rights have been earned with blood and that the blood bank is running dry that's completely foreign to the angle he's supposed to have on rights that's kind of weird to me and it almost sounds like he believes that rights only exist because of some kind of human sacrifice in the name of rights that happened in the past which is pretty close to what he believes the globalists are into no no dan when a white person turns 13 they are given
Starting point is 00:19:37 their rights and then that one of those rights is to take them away from people of color i i don't understand why you don't understand it seems it seems very out of step with the the the larger understanding of these things that are in the right wing world right like a lot of these people in these militia communities they believe that these attacks on the ideas of religiosity and society the separation of church and state is in an attempt to attack god and to get rid of god in society because all rights flow from god right so you get rid of god and therefore you get rid of the excuse through why anyone has rights naturally so what i'm assuming is this entire segment is going to be about how he supports the protesters in portland as they fight against the federal
Starting point is 00:20:21 government sending in agents to kill them basically right wing death squads coming into he's like he doesn't knocked a man out of his wheelchair and beat him you know like he doesn't really talk about that a lot and i they're fighting for their freedoms in their territory in their rights he's gotta know that i don't i don't know that this comes up in any meaningful way i do think he mentioned portland than just the word portland in a when he's talking about white people getting beat up by like a blm folks sure but i you know like he hasn't covered any of that situation in any meaningful way to the point where i've had the cause to do a deep dive on it right and because of that i'm trying to keep up with the with the news but i'm finding it very challenging and i'll
Starting point is 00:21:04 be the first to admit that that i don't have a good grasp on that situation and that may be something that i need to correct that's one thing that alex has in common finally with the rest of the mainstream media an absolute willingness to ignore portland yeah it does seem though it really does it's kind of freaking me out so alex has some dystopian fantasies that he's working through here like in portland well they're different and then he has like a new product that's totally not a replacement for a product he's been told he can't sell anymore and the nightmare will get more intense as they claim oh the answer is more socialism more communism more satanism more new world order and it'll finally get so terrible that the enforcers and the jail guards of the new world
Starting point is 00:21:47 order will start rebelling but then the globalists have always failed the jackabins have always failed because humans finally wake up that's why the robots the drones the combat robots the controls the automated chips everything not working if they hit a switch that's their do sex that's their ace in the hole that's their secret weapon wait that's their master plan so we moved to rural areas we become independent we educate everyone about the new world order we dig in and we don't comply with any of the new world order and we boycott the new world order and we boycott their big companies and we boycott their systems because they are the enemy and we support the independent speaking of that here we go this has been in development for over a year smooth and we're really proud of it
Starting point is 00:22:39 but we're launching eight other products with it with a whole new product line of really high quality stuff it's being done under dr jones essentials another company a separate company for me and we sell the product as we diversify operations for a lot of reasons i wonder it's forming you name it sure there's a lot of reasons we have activated charcoal mouthwash and super high quality activated charcoal toothpaste with no additives this stuff is amazing this was not to compete with the old toothpaste does it cure covid and super blue you saw the the soros financed attorney general that sent everybody to die in the nursing homes the mass murderer leticia james come out and say that i said i had a covid 19 cure when i didn't
Starting point is 00:23:20 she tried to criminally get me a bunch of other stuff so we just stopped selling it so she stopped saying that we are planning litigation we got some stuff behind the scenes it's got to be cleared up before we do that but we have to go after um but this has nothing to do with covid 19 it's activated charcoal with a bunch of essential oils and things it's without quality we can't sell it to you yet it's been in for a couple weeks there's one other test that's got to be done because we follow all the most strict to see if it cures covid test we're in i thought it was done the final test certificate of authenticity it's great at the next week that's being done so we don't have this on sale until next week so the big sale the big new thing i told you we had
Starting point is 00:23:56 is not here what the hell is happening this whole rambly bullshit about like hey we got this new toothpaste uh but it's totally not because uh i got told that i can't sell this other toothpaste because how i was selling it is super unethical it may be illegal uh but we got this new activated charcoal toothpaste which is pretty cool maybe turn your mouth black um and uh hey uh we don't have it it's not for sale oh they're after me lucky charms now admittedly they're not on sale yet they won't be on sale for quite a while but eventually they'll be coming and then they'll be after my lucky charms and then oh there's so many lucky charms that they're trying to steal it's a weird buzz marketing strategy trying to get people excited about this charcoal toothpaste
Starting point is 00:24:36 oh we've got new rainbows coming out not yet we got to put them through testing very weird yeah that's not good very weird um but good luck with it so alex um we know from a ways back he's been getting into props lately um he had the chestboard skull and the rose on the desk that is esoteric really think that he got called out for it being actually cultic well it's satanic of course but as we know he was on the fence about satanism maybe still well no no no that was as a teen yeah so he's got a new prop he's been talking about this for the last couple days but i've just been ignoring it sure and i finally got to a point where i'm like i gotta all right fine i'll take the bait a lot of people are gonna ask me what's up with the angel wings
Starting point is 00:25:23 out of a roman archetypal standard symbol with a skull and that's not plastic from the store and that double-edged dagger right there it's actually a tri-edge dagger is he just looking at the side of vans symbolism for me means in it it's definitely a message to everybody he will not escape god's judgment sure god is above death god is above humans and war and life itself okay this is a political show hey we're gonna break down the real uh politics situation but also here on my desk i have angel
Starting point is 00:26:11 wings a skull and a tri-edge knife to remind you that none shall escape god's vengeance yeah yeah yeah what is what what what is this dude come on that was on mad out two weeks ago he's just stealing that also he's also repurposing the skull from his last prop he's like that skull's too good get rid of the chessboard and the rose as any local theater company will tell you right you gotta repurpose props what a fucking dick anyway alex gets talking about uh to i don't know china whatever sure rockefeller is their evil i gotta get him yeah but let's get to this first it was david rockefeller when mouse satung died in 1976 wrote a big op-ed piece you can just type in david rockefeller new york times article mouse satung he wrote two of them but you'll you'll
Starting point is 00:27:02 find the messages from a world traveler i think it's the exact headline and he says i help put malin i love mal mal's the answer communism's what we need this is from the richest man in the world arguably at the time so we talked about this in the endgame stuff but it's been a while so first of all now died in 1976 david rockefeller's op-ed was published on august 10th 1973 wait why do you say those are different things because alex connected the two it's not connected second the headline was quote from a china traveler alex got the title wrong well third let's take a look at the specific claims alex is making okay he says that rockefeller says in the op-ed that he helped put mal into power yes that he loves mal yeah that mal is the answer and that communism is what we
Starting point is 00:27:44 need four for four rockefeller's op-ed says literally none of these things okay alex is completely lying about that knowing that his audience will never actually go read the actual article it's hard to read the closest that rockefeller gets is to say quote the social experiment in china under chairman maus leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history which is something that was he was saying based on the impression he was able to get after a short visit to china right if you read the complete article however you get the sense that rockefeller may have some misgivings about what he himself experienced at multiple points rockefeller qualifies his own impressions he says quote in terms of simple geographic expanse a week and a half visit to
Starting point is 00:28:24 china is something equivalent to trying to see new york city in less than one and a half minutes that's in the opening paragraph which should give the clear understanding that he wasn't in a position to have a fully immersed perspective so as someone who has been in new york for one and a half minutes i guarantee you i am an expert on both new york and china yeah he's not a local he's as the title says a china traveler yeah later in the article rockefeller even acknowledges that this view of the country he was getting was a curated one quote each step of the trip was choreographed precisely by our hosts and though virtually all our requests were granted we clearly saw what they wanted us to oh yeah his qualified impression of the country was that progress
Starting point is 00:29:03 was being made poverty starvation and crime were at much lower levels than they were 20 years prior at this in the same time period the number of children receiving an education had jumped from 20 to 80 percent at the same time rockefeller absolutely does not sugarcoat things in that op-ed as he puts it quote despite the constant impressions of progress however some gray areas and basic contradictions also emerged three major questions remain in my own mind the first question was about individuality and creativity being contained in the country quote there are only eight different theatrical productions in the entire country the universities are rigorously politicized with little room for inquiry unrelated to chairman maus thought rockefeller viewed that
Starting point is 00:29:46 is a problem that is an issue the second question is how well the chinese economy would be able to adapt to technological advancement into foreign trade this is largely a strategic and logistical question the third question is quote are we and the chinese prepared to accept our very real differences and still proceed toward the closer mutual understanding that must be the basis for substantive future contact contact and the answer to that was emphatically of course that question had to do with how both sides both america and china would likely need to make a lot of accommodation in the future in order to coexist in an increasingly interdependent world none of the stuff alex is saying about this op-ed is real all alex knows about this article is what he's heard about it
Starting point is 00:30:28 from paranoid john birch society pamphlets which have basically no connection to reality and you can you can take you know a perspective of you know rockefeller had all of the information that he could possibly have had at that point and he was you know but that doesn't seem to be the accurate you're applying a 2020 mind to someone in 1973 at a time when chinese-us relations were not uh what they were what they are now all right the flow of information was not what it is now i mean that's that's like you know i you hate turfs now go back to 1973 and see how you do with the feminist movement then you know it's like that kind of thing yeah it's it's unfair to apply modern awareness to uh well i mean it's fine to look at it and critique what could have been totally but
Starting point is 00:31:18 it's not it's not fair to assume that everybody at every point in the past knew everything that we know now right and that's that's a big part of the game that's being played and then the second part of the game is just making shit up about this op-ed it's kind of frustrating i mean i don't care about david rockefeller i think he probably was not a great guy now he's probably in a lot of ways the very aspect of having that much money makes you not a great guy i think i think that there's probably plenty of room for criticism yeah almost certainly yeah now all the things that alex brings up are all the wrong things of course so of course that puts me in the un uh un the the cherishable position of of being like you're lying about rockefeller yeah yeah yeah like i'm a like
Starting point is 00:31:58 i'm a rockefeller oh man i have to defend rockefeller you son of a bitch i'm mad at you for making me do this yeah so a lot of this episode is sort of uh bland uh what i would call just sort of uh do covid denial or yeah yeah and so alex gets it there's one point point that he makes that i think is like undefensible but let's get to this first i was looking this morning at numbers out of texas did you know flue deaths and pneumonia deaths and all these other deaths are way down because they've all been moved into the covid column just like they've done around the country and months before they're just still doing it and then admitting they're doing it alex is a goddamn liar no one is moving flu deaths to the covid 19 column and there's a really good reason why flu deaths are
Starting point is 00:32:44 going way down it's because it's july flu season is pretty much over by may we'll see an uptick in flu cases in the united states again but it probably won't be for another few months alex knows that and is lying about it or he doesn't know that and he has absolutely zero reason to be speaking on these subjects if you don't understand when flu season is and you're trying to say flu deaths are way down and it's somehow suspicious you you are unqualified or a liar one of the two it's there's no third option there yeah and to imagine that it's not increasingly unbelievable like any kind of conspiracy of that sort that he's trying to pull off we're a long ways into it you're not going to get me on pneumonia now you didn't get me before you definitely aren't going to get me
Starting point is 00:33:32 after flu season that shouldn't have probably yeah yeah yeah so alex laments that there's hysteria going on in the world there's a lot of a lot of hysteria and he plays some he discusses how he's going to play some clips to demonstrate it and i'm playing this because i largely want to there's a point i want to make and i'll make it after this but the first thing i want to go ahead and play for you is the hysteria of the craziness that's going on this is a video of a deranged sjw yells to airline passengers i will kill everybody on this plane unless you accept jesus was a black man then we'll play the clip here of marxist blm protester leader calls for black militia revolution what point are you trying to make with these clips like what what
Starting point is 00:34:24 point are you trying to make other than race baiting like what coherent point is being made by the selection and the curating of these topics these bullet points what is what what can be the editorial through line of a lot of this stuff other than be scared of black people all blm sjw's are actually db cooper dan that is who they are and that's how we do it was that what db cooper was trying to do db cooper was trying to do wow yeah you didn't know that that was that he got the stuff jumped off right as he left guys black jesus and then was gone into the night right that's how it worked i i i find some of this to be trivial some of it to be you know okay that's an interesting story i guess i didn't even look into this person on the plane i don't
Starting point is 00:35:18 i don't know what the story is there but even the worst case scenario of that is yes i'm a threatened to kill people on a plane i hope they had arrested i don't really care why they did what they did yeah this is a weird story and then the other one the the black lives matter person saying that there should be black militias alex should be in favor of that yeah totally he's in favor of militias apparently not there are organized to fight against the federal government he should love militias right he just doesn't yeah whatever i wonder if there's something different so um some of this stuff would be a little bit uh more like i don't even know like i i listen to this and i'm like alex why do you not do any why this is really difficult to put into words
Starting point is 00:36:00 but what i'm trying to get at is like there's moments in alex's show where his lack of doing any work or any preparation accidentally reveals how little he knows about the world and this next clip is one of those that i think is just like you shouldn't do you shouldn't allow yourself to be put in situations where you look like this and see that's what this is all about ignoramuses video black rioters tear down statue of african icon hayley saselli and it goes on from there that clip tells me a couple of interesting things the first is that alex has no idea who holly salasi is oh no yeah he did that's what he's saselli no get the fuck out no that is our new bolsa yeah holly salasi was the emperor of ethopia from 1930 to 1974 and he's a central figure in
Starting point is 00:36:54 the rostafari ideology you can't possibly listen to any decent rege and not know holly salasi's name and that's coming from me a person who can't listen to rege hates reggae i don't hate it just i know i know i know i know i make me anxious we're going to be okay we'll get through this we'll get through this chill i understand it's it's it's it's i it's inconceivable to me that alex would have no idea what that name is when he looks unreal the second thing that clip tells me is that alex sees a statue being knocked over and assumes that it must be connected to every other statue he's read about and that's bad thinking because there's no reason to assume that just because one group wants to take down certain statues then all statue related stories
Starting point is 00:37:31 must be involved with that group in the reporting i can find about this statue it appears that this one was destroyed in an event that's most likely related to unrest in ethopia according to the bbc this has to do with the killing of a popular musician named hachaloo hondessa hondessa was a big proponent of the oromo rights which is an ethnic group that were oppressed by salasi's regime a witness saw men gathering in the park in london where the salasi statue was carrying fliers with oromo slogans which gives a pretty strong indication that this is what this story is about in this in this case sure the statue of salasi's father one of those was recently torn down in harar in ethopia and the reason there was this holly salasi statue in london
Starting point is 00:38:16 was because he had lived in wimbledon when he was in exile in 1936 got you so he'd been there and that's why there was a statue right this incident is unrelated to the larger phenomenon of blm related statue issues but there's not any room for nuance and alex's show yeah of course if it's about a statue it's the same story and it's about a guy named sassily yeah oh god you know i mean here's the here's the thing about statues is generally speaking on the on the average now i'm not saying it's all but on the average fascists and people who oppress people are the ones most interested in getting statues there is a good chance that if you're knocking down a statue you're doing all right there is a desire among despots and autocrats to have effigies of themselves
Starting point is 00:39:02 created that is true love that shit so alex gets to talking about uh roger coming on and we're about to get to it okay and in order for this to really make sense still gotta be important right i mean it better well i like to better bring the juice alex has to qualify oh no they're on screen there he is we're gonna be going to roger here in just a moment in the second hour look very much forward to him giving us the first big exclusive interview went on handy last night that's awesome but this time he won't just have 10 minutes he will have the whole next hour to really get into the election his clemency being attacked by muller so yeah this is the first exclusive longer yeah interview you only have 10 minutes on handy yeah this is frost nixon now yeah now
Starting point is 00:39:49 we're in the real shit yeah so i mean like you could just keep adding adjectives yeah like this is the first this is the first uh this is exclusively the first 458th episode of our podcast yeah that's true exclusive that's true no one has ever done that but just keep adding adjectives why not this is the exclusive episode where we talk about roger coming on for the first time after his clemency look nobody has done that before yeah yeah so it's pretty much what you'd expect it's honestly not the best hour of roger's uh life god damn it he's gotta he's well he doesn't waggle in his dick he's supposed to be part of that is because of his uh coming to god you know like he claims that he doesn't want revenge on people now because because of his newfound religion um but he does think that
Starting point is 00:40:36 it was an act of god that uh trump carried out sure so i'm very grateful to god i'm very grateful to the president who i believe received divine guidance to do the right thing although i think you would have done the right thing but i'm very grateful to both of them sure so it's an act of god now jordan this next clip i'm gonna have to ask you to put your mic down okay because um this is a big interview for alex now granted roger kind of gave him the bird by going on handity for the exclusive kind of but still alex says the is in the business of presenting this as a big deal right he has to he's gotta he has to yeah and so in this next clip roger is talking about how his enemies are the ones who should be on trial right and uh see if you notice anything about alex's
Starting point is 00:41:18 response so in my view andrew weisman should be indicted for sedition and for treason it's time for them to get him in front of the grand jury hopefully john durham is going to do that i have my doubts but i'm still praying for it and who knows it might happen and everything you said is true and on record it's come out that hillary knew it was russians it's incredible how they turned everything around on us alex is eating oh no alex is eating lunch during his roger interview it is it is so fun to know so clearly now the subtle shade that's that's the fun part now that we're this look we're too immersed to enjoy the small stuff the surface level stuff perhaps but the the i just took a bite talk yeah during stone's interview that is that's for you and me
Starting point is 00:42:08 that's a real fuck you that's for us that's i really wish the roger would be like are you eating yeah totally yes he has the status to pull that off take this cold war with you you guys love hot wars take the cold war hot yeah so in this next clip alex is talking to roger roger claims that uh fox news they have some censorship issues and i was on um fox not long ago we're doing an interview i'm not going to tell you with whom uh and just before we went on in my earpiece the producer came on said oh one more thing mr stone under no circumstances can you mention george soros and i said well i wasn't going to this is not yes you were related to the topic i'm here to discuss and they said well we just wanted you to understand our policy now this makes no sense to
Starting point is 00:42:56 me i cannot explain why that would be the case he's he's untouchable and that's exactly what i've been told about people at fox oh yeah fox news never bringing up soros and i understand why this subject would be untouchable i can't think of any possible reason it's not that you also the guy who is so used to defaming george soros you couldn't stop yourself if you tried i don't think it's a fox news thing i think it's a roger thing uh huh well let's see if i can just do a little google let's see what's tucker and george soros what's the most recent tucker claims george soros is uh what do we got here tucker tucker carlson claims george soros is quote remaking america uh well that must be on the third page of results google obviously
Starting point is 00:43:45 that's from harrett no no no it's gonna be on the third page june 2019 google's shadow banning it uh huh okay yeah so it's pretty easy to find it he's never he's never done he got to really do some deep research this one requires your level so yeah fox news barely moratorium on mentioning george soros short so um roger i think he knew that he had to come with something to make this occasion special yeah because obviously you know give alex a piece of cake tucker or tucker i mean he's on vacation so you could roger couldn't have gone on he's on vacation that was pre-planned totally months ago totally not a not a weird nothing momentary decision you went on hanity and you get on hanity by being the exclusive yes you don't that's what if you if you're not willing to do
Starting point is 00:44:32 that hanity probably doesn't have time for you yeah yeah alex on the other hand is the kind of guy that you can give a trinket to you can maybe give him a world's greatest game talk show host hat love yes it'd be enough yeah so here's uh here's what alex gets as a consolation prize uh for being completely kicked to the curb by roger so i'm gonna do something very historic now right on the air here at info wars i'm going to actually sign my acceptance of the commutation by the president of the united states there you see it it is uh it is not signed uh this is a historic moment this is the document that saves my life uh it now has my signature on it as you can see uh and there it is so i have accepted the uh the act of mercy the act of justice by uh by a benevolent president
Starting point is 00:45:24 a man who believes deeply in justice who believes in fairness who knows i did not get a fair trial who knows i was subjected to a soviet style show trial before a kangaroo court wasn't a trial it was more like a show via trial lynching i mean owens shroyer was there he saw it with his own eyes it was like a lynching so i mean like you could feel the electricity in that moment who like you could feel it being historic i'm really bummed i'm really bummed i bet that was just a piece of paper totally no chance was that the real thing he might have been the moment he got it i don't know he might have been but based on what he says later he might have still been drunk until he was on hand it had time to get confetti that's what is really going on here that's the biggest
Starting point is 00:46:11 issue did you hear did you hear any pop uh any of these people sort of anybody rob do could have gone on a confetti run totally yeah takes five seconds or any kind of like get a brass band to walk through alex's studio that'd be great that'd be awesome celebrated it's a historic moment yep nope instead we just pretend and alex eats a piece of sandwich sounds like a dud sounds like a dud big time so alex wants to know about rogers coming to god and you know i've been i've been sort of well when i thought i was gonna go to prison my lawyer advised me that i might get a more lenient sentence if i pretended i believed in god i've been a little bit hands off on this because i don't want to insult faith as a whole sure um but i'm gonna include this just for how good a demonstration
Starting point is 00:46:54 it is of alex's bad planning so let's talk about christ though because i mean how did things change when you did that uh overnight literally overnight um i had an opportunity to meet reverend franklin graham i jumped at it he gave me the most solid advice you could you could give anybody he said you're right son you're in big trouble but if you will just confess your sins if you will be reborn if you will get right with christ if you will reaffirm your commitment to the lord do your nickel you will see he will protect you he will never abandon you he will be with you in your moment of need and you can erase all worry and and you no longer need to be afraid that very day i did what reverend graham suggested i stood up in 500 others uh i confessed my sins and i pledged
Starting point is 00:47:40 to sin no more to the best of my ability and alex that was a saturday on monday morning stay there let's talk about roger stone story gotta go to breaks warning if you can't oh i feel like you don't ask somebody about like something really important and a big story like how did your life change after you accepted christ right when you're a zealotus uh religious broadcast you don't ask that when you've got like 45 seconds to break yeah that's a hard break yeah you don't you because usually the answer is going to be involved there's going to be a discussion of the process and you know it's not uh it's not just like roger be like it's been great nobody nobody play like whenever i did a god camp nobody played off my testimonial you know nobody was like all right
Starting point is 00:48:28 wrap it up buddy we gotta go to break yeah i felt that felt really weird i mean it's just bad planning you ask that as an opening out of a break as opposed to like when you're gonna run out of time because it's disrespectful to the story that roger is telling exactly and it implies that you don't really care that much yourself if you would put roger in a situation where you might have to interrupt his story wasn't that important yeah that happened to jesus all the time they kept being like jesus i get it there's a lot of fish now but we gotta go yeah so in this next clip uh we get back to that subject after the commercials are out of the way and uh apparently mike sernovich is the answer to prayers great finish up with the day after you accepted jesus as your lord and
Starting point is 00:49:08 savior you you're already a christian but not you know backslidden obviously and then really fried and really gave your heart to christ again recommitted what right well this was on a saturday that i that i uh was reborn and that very monday morning uh a day later um all the stories about the corrupt jury hit the fan none of which i knew we had none of that information uh frankly mike sernovich a crusading independent journalist a solid conservative broke that story and it was everywhere and from that moment on i was highly confident that everything was going to be fine that god was now going to take his hand and he would provide alex has got to be pissed that he said the uh sernovich broke that story because alex has said that he did no in the past this is uh
Starting point is 00:49:57 this is not not where you want to give credit i i am loving that he is no longer kissing alex's ass well it's pretty subtle though it's not like a fuck you it's uh it's a sernovich broke this right right now this next thing i might be imagining this but i feel like alex cannot enjoy hearing this next clip and this is a discussion of what was going on on the day that uh roger got the news about the commutation so last friday around five o'clock many media outlets abc was among the first then fox news and then everybody was saying that the president would commute my sentence prior to that there was a lot of speculation it could be a commutation it could be a pardon it could be nothing these same reports had popped
Starting point is 00:50:44 up the previous sunday and nothing came of them uh and uh so it became pretty clear something was going to happen uh people started just arriving at my home i hadn't invited anybody but patriots uh folks from the trump club young republicans uh local um conservatives friends from the republican party a lot of info warriors people just started arriving uh and then uh because i'm under i was under house arrest at that time i could not leave the actual house we sorted people out between those who were wearing masks they were allowed to come in those who were i didn't have a mask they could mass in the front yard inside a gate uh somebody sent out for beer and we had a pop-up party and then around seven o'clock my cell phone rang uh and uh it was the white house
Starting point is 00:51:34 switchboard operator saying uh uh this is the white house switchboard i have a call from the president of the united states we like to speak to roger stone this is the white house is roger stone available this is amazing he had a pop-up party around the time that he got the commutation and didn't invite alex wow he was in florida there was no info wars reporter you could have sent somebody out i can't get there you could get some sort of an info warrior with a fucking cell phone to be a reporter on the scene there's no way that alex himself knew about it two days before the news broke like stone told him well i mean look this is this is i imagine alex would be feeling a lot of like fomo type feelings right feeling missing out right missed out on the party
Starting point is 00:52:20 of the century but he wouldn't have been allowed in or he would have worn a mask for that oh of course he would yes he would have to be able to hang out with roger and man cal you got to wear a mask for that kind of exposure yeah exactly um so you brought up in our last episode uh how conspicuous it was that roger didn't thank alex and info wars fairly conspicuous now when he shows up on info wars uh-huh quite the opposite oh is it it was it was an amazing moment uh it was like having a weight off of your shoulders and this would never have been a possible without in the help of so many people let's start with alex jones who had never been stuck with me through the whole thing uh skeptical in the first that they would really come after me but once they did
Starting point is 00:53:07 alex you were there their tucker carlson is the standout tucker carlson was incensed by what they did with me he has a deep sense of justice and he was outraged he was so angry isn't he just an amazingly classy guy in fact i appreciate i mean i already knew him he'd been the oldest before we've been to dinner but i got to know him and have dinner with him a few times with you he is just super classy so classy um i mean this is the strategy that you would employ i think roger's doing it exactly right which is overplay how important info wars is on info wars and don't recognize it elsewhere don't mention it at all right because if you bring up info wars other places it diminishes the value of whatever you're getting out of that publicity but at the same time alex knows his place
Starting point is 00:53:49 and you can't afford to get too mad at you for not thanking him elsewhere i imagine that every talk show he's been on like i imagine that when hanity introduced him he introduced him as somebody who worked for info wars for multiple years i imagine that's what he did i didn't i i don't i don't know he has to have done that that's his biggest credit right now this guy just got sued by a minus clock for a hundred million dollars and had to give a retraction for lying about him on info wars where he worked for a long time ladies and gentlemen we have roger stone's brother's brother here better credit yeah so he gives off his list of thank yous and alex butts in i just thought this was kind of funny uh i've got to thank my friend michael caputa who i've been
Starting point is 00:54:33 prohibited from speaking to for almost two years uh but i know he was in my corner uh you never know where to stop reverend darrell scott uh pastor mark burns about your wife randy so many christians franklin grand all of these people general mike flinn in my corner i just think that's pretty funny what about your wife fine that is funny that is good so this next clip rogers talking about how much he loves info wars and if you pay attention he's using the first person plural he's talking we oh boy so uh he's including himself as a part of info wars now of course look we're up for the fight of our life and and this is an important outpost of the truth info wars is really still uh what it always was a leader and we won't be censored we won't be
Starting point is 00:55:24 silenced we will never stop fighting for freedom and for liberty so i'm honored to be back with you it's like being back home again you can bet that i'll be back again because uh you know i understand they're trying to uh to silence us they're trying to kill our audience in terms of our reach um but i feel right at home here uh and uh it's just good to be back and be able to tell the truth to the american people uh something that i've not done in the past and actually had to uh admit that i had lied about a guy uh well after he sued me for a hundred million dollars they really trying to get rid of our exposure and to keep our ideas uh kept within this area so that's why when i went on shan hanity a show with millions upon millions outside of this viewers i screamed everybody
Starting point is 00:56:13 we are info wars that's what i screamed on that because i wanted to spread the message as far as i seems like he didn't do that seems like i went the other way uh probably a lot of probably a smart probably a smart decision for so when he says weeds i mean he's back on the payroll i wonder i would be interesting i wonder i hope i don't the galaxy can afford it i'd be really sad so roger's interview is done and it's largely i have been wronged uh i will be avenged i need money of course a lot of i need a lot of i need money three different fundraising websites oh no oh you pathetic yeah so it's uh it is what it is uh and he leaves and alex gets back to talking about this uh fucking toothpaste i can't sell yet so he really wants to sell this toothpaste
Starting point is 00:57:02 but he can't so there's a there's a different sale eventually it'll be great now we've got the new toothpaste in for a few weeks but i've got one more big test that uh we are supposed to do on it until we're able to sell it so i thought uh that this week uh would be the week that we would be able to sell all of this and do all of this but we're not able so the original sale that i had running is just going to keep running until next week store-wide free shipping double patriot points but it's even bigger we had to sell last year i wasn't going to do it at this time we're about to sell a lot of things but we're launching it right now christmas in july sale free shipping and double patriot points 50 to 60 off whoa i'm not sure that i've made this point in the past
Starting point is 00:57:50 like when alex did this sale last year but there's something hilarious about him in particular doing a christmas in july sale for alex christmas isn't supposed to be a commercialized thing it's not about sales and gift giving it's a solemn holiday where you celebrate the birth of jesus if you're only interested in christmas is the sales aspect like if you're a mattress store then it makes sense to have a christmas in july sale because the importance of the holiday is about cutting deals for alex this is almost sacrilegious there can't be a christmas in july because christmas is a holy day that is of religious significance yeah the easter sales still going there aren't two christmases in the year in the same way there aren't two jesus christ's this doesn't really seem
Starting point is 00:58:31 like a sale that anybody who takes their faith seriously in the way that alex pretends to could possibly engage in this is using religion to drive sales not a sale that just happens to coincide with a religiously based but also securely celebrated holiday as someone with absolutely no skin in the game just an impartial observer it seems to me that this kind of thing having a christmas in july sale that's more of an affront to religious observance than someone saying happy holidays in december which alex considers a war on christmas right is it not a war on christmas to water the holiday down by creating your own second christmas that isn't even halfway through the year like he's two weeks late for the halfway point of the year i don't know oh boy yeah i find
Starting point is 00:59:13 that to be sacrilegious yeah well you know i'm pretty sure now we didn't play the whole thing obviously but part the part that roger you know when he was cut off he continued talking what he said was the day after i you know recommitted myself to christ i really knew that it was time to make some cash oh and uh so the lord spoke to me and he said we've gotta do christmas in july second christmas absolutely so alex has a big uh bit of co vid news sure to discuss still not real the apparently not and he has a big smoking gun okay the big smoking gun for me is on info wars dot com co vid testing scandal numerous labs three hundred and thirty three report one hundred percent of people testing positive for corona virus in florida that is impossible so this story is
Starting point is 01:00:07 actually true but it doesn't mean anything okay according to nbc miami there are actually 474 labs in florida that it reported 100 positive test results but it's important to understand the details of this story these labs were testing people who came up negative but for whatever reason they weren't entering those negative test results into their database this might seem like it would affect the overall positive rate in the state but nbc miami's analysis found that these 474 labs made up approximately one percent of the state's testing numbers and if their negative results were in line with the other 99 percent of labs in the state it would quote result in the state's 11 percent overall positivity rate falling to 10.9 percent an insignificant difference oh no that's
Starting point is 01:00:51 huge the florida department of health told fox 13 out of florida that quote in recent days the florida department of health noticed that some smaller private labs weren't reporting negative test results data to the state the department immediately began working with those labs to ensure that all results were being reported in order to provide comprehensive and transparent data as the state continues to receive results from various labs the department will continue educating these labs on proper protocol for reporting covet 19 test results one of the issues here appears to be bad messaging from the state of what is expected in a pandemic of florida these were smaller private labs who might have been unaware of what they needed to do you see when there's no pandemic
Starting point is 01:01:32 going on a lab is required by law to report positive cases for specified infectious diseases that are being tracked but as it turns out when there is a pandemic they're also required to report negative test results in all likelihood the message just wasn't being spread universally that they needed to do this and even florida governor ron de santis realizes this saying quote there were a number of labs who were just simply doing what the default is which is sending the positives only without sending the negatives so i don't think they were trying to be underhanded those labs i think that's kind of what they were doing before this started this isn't a conspiracy it's another symptom of widespread mismanagement of the response to an outbreak people aren't on
Starting point is 01:02:13 the same page and that leads to some folks operating out of step with how they should often completely unknowingly ultimately it's important for these negative tests to get reported as well because it's crucial to have the most accurate information possible but people who've looked at the raw data are pretty clear that this error error doesn't have a significant impact on the larger point that things are pretty out of control right in florida so bad smoking gun that's a great smoking gun smoking gun you did it great you proved it yeah so alex gets jim hoffs brother in right i forgot about that i'm going to pretend it's jimmy hoff is brother i think that might be what kind of broke me in terms of caring about the fourth hour yeah it's like
Starting point is 01:02:53 you're going to do this disappointing interview with roger and pretend that like he would have given you the exclusive if only you had this piece of paper it's the piece of paper and then you're going to follow it up with this lame dud of a kovat 19 bombshell and then you're going to bring in jim hoff's brother gotta do it it might have just been like i'm out i'm out buddy but i thought this was really funny i had to ask joe hoff and i did it i'm just shaking my head i'm just that's that's so sad that's the saddest thing you can do to a song yeah it is it is pretty sad any song that eventually ends with i had to ask joe hoff's
Starting point is 01:03:45 that's a sad song i had to go off it's a sad song i've been searching alone it does not matter what's the happiest happy birthday to you i had to ask jim hoff joe hoffed oh what jim hoffed i had to ask jim hoffed brother yeah so he's on to largely do a lot of like covid denialism and stuff and it's they think it centers around this story out of florida and alex goes even further than just sort of using this story as a prop he'd like outright lies about it the tests are everywhere and the numbers are skyrocketing and then you learn almost all the tests are false and three hundred and thirty three labs that said earlier in florida all reported publicly 100 percent rates some of them testing thousands the average about 500
Starting point is 01:04:35 so they're testing tens of thousands of people and they're all positive that is ridiculous what's really going on here well that's a that's a great question alex alex is completely making up the number of average tests at these labs in florida there's no source he could be citing to back that up other than maybe something he saw like on twitter or something but fox 35 out of orlando posted the actual documents of the lab specific numbers and if you go through the list you'll see that the highest number of tests run at any of these labs that are reporting 100 positive cases is 405 at the lee memorial hospital and pan care of florida that's nothing compared to the 540 816 tests that were done by quest diagnostics or the 455 636 done by lab core many of the labs
Starting point is 01:05:25 with the 100 percent positive results are under a hundred tests reported it's all good and well to assume that if they hadn't reported or if you know they haven't reported their negative results share then it stands to reason that the actual number of tests that they did do should be higher right that's fair that would make sense fair to assume that the gross number is actually higher it's the only thing you could assume what's not fair is just to make up whatever number you think that my number might be and then report it as fact which is what alex is doing yeah alex is lying in fabricating numbers to create a false narrative about this lab story and the fact that jim hoffs brother doesn't immediately call him on it and clarify it means that he's a pile of shit just
Starting point is 01:06:03 like his brother and not somebody who needs to be taken seriously like the fact that your response isn't what yeah that means that you're invested in playing along with the fake version of shit that alex is putting at yeah you know what else the fact that you don't have a name means go fuck yourself yeah i don't really i don't i don't respect him enough to even know if joe was the right name nope don't care so um the reason that he's doing this is that uh jim hoffs brother is apparently pretty anti vaccine it becomes clear here i think one of the best individuals to discuss fousy and and just uh the vaccines in general if not you alex is uh the bobby kennedy jr i heard a video of him well he exposes fraud steve with the gates people that they've had in the test
Starting point is 01:06:48 three with spokespersons are getting real sick healthy people are getting real sick in the in the vaccine trials we covered that story a while back when it was relevant it's no longer relevant uh but yeah i mean if he's promoting robert kennedy jr then you kind of know what he's about yeah so uh one of the one of the main things that is very difficult to get around if you are a covet denialist is the phenomenon of excess deaths right um it turns out it's not that hard to get around you can just kind of pretend that that number doesn't exist oh thing that i wanted to point out last segment uh that i didn't i'm sorry was the fact that uh the one measurement that we can take that can really kind of tell us how bad this covet is is to look
Starting point is 01:07:27 at total deaths this year compared to prior years and we've done that now and when you look at them this year's deaths especially related to the flu etc barely barely much greater than than prior years now slow down and say that again we should have started the whole interview with this in fact when we post this to band out video later i want to put what you're about to say at the very front of the interview because we can put up the graph showing record testing but deaths have gone way down from what they claimed but let's look at last year's numbers compared to you know the flat line of death or or the range of death compared to now and tell people the name of the article on gateway pun is so folks can find it we're going to be putting it up here shortly how
Starting point is 01:08:06 about that good idea but but um as we have a phd who's provided us this information it's a good analysis and again data's where we need to be we don't need to be listening to doctors right now we need to be listening to the phd let's start over tell people what you're about to break because we're in the zeitgeist we've hired a he's scared to put his name up but we've hired a highly rated statistician to crunch the numbers actually we're going to have you're doing the same thing i guess having a phd statistician show it so tell us what's coming yeah so what he's done is he's looked at the last five years of mortality rates throughout the u.s. and he compares them to this year and we're seeing that there's no material increase on july 1st the journal of the american medical
Starting point is 01:08:54 association released an investigation in their in their imprint called internal medicine which looked at the excess deaths that have been tallied in the u.s. between march and may 2020 they found that all cause deaths rose by approximately 122 000 in the united states over that time period compared to the same period in previous years at that point there were only 95 235 official deaths from covet 19 in the united states which meant that the excess mortality in the country represented a number that was 28 higher than the official figures that have been linked to covet 19 this is going to be difficult for alex and his newly hired imaginary statistician to work around but i wish them the best of luck and by that i mean the worst of luck no matter how you slice it the numbers of
Starting point is 01:09:37 all cause mortality in this country are approximately 15 percent higher during the period of the pandemic that was studied so unless alex has a compelling argument for why that is the case this line of thinking is going to go nowhere it's just it's just a dud we should not be listening to medical doctors dan well we should be listening to doctors of philosophy we should be listening to brothers of doctors yes exactly that's the trick jesus yeah what a pathetic how the world exists now in a place of like oh you got experts i got experts nine it doesn't matter what my experts say i just say they're experts yeah that's it you give them a fake sounding good credential or a good sounding fake credential and then you just you hey okay sure he's a lobbyist
Starting point is 01:10:26 for the coal consortium but but he's an expert in coal right that's equal to this what do you call them climate climate what scientists i don't even understand what that is get out of here yeah i have an expert too it's a mess fuck off yeah so alex has one attempt that he's going to use to try and explain away this this increase and i think i think he's i think it's bad i think it doesn't it's not going to work why is new york a few areas of michigan because they're blue cities of states where they intubated people they admit that's what killed them and where they sent regular flu and regular pneumonia patients into nursing homes knowing they would get a death number and the only way you do that in 10 different democrat states that did it where you have most
Starting point is 01:11:11 of death is it was premeditated please talk about that that's right and we did a study too we compared democratic grant states to republican on at least a two to one ratio you're more likely to die in a democrat state from the cova then then in a republican state this isn't going to work as an argument there's currently over 100 000 deaths that haven't been in new york and michigan so i guess that angle probably falls apart also jim hoff's brother is revealing his idiocy here if it is true that there's a double chance of dying of covet 19 in blue states as opposed to red states maybe you should look for what a factor might be involved there maybe population density is different in these states maybe blue states include more metropolitan urban centers than red states which
Starting point is 01:11:54 have different patterns of transmission i mean this sincerely all you need to do is hear someone like jim hoff's brother saying stuff like that then you're free to tune him out entirely yeah if he's willing to make that kind of blind leap in order to justify his narratives then he's not living in reality and whatever all this stuff is is just bullshit yeah i just and he's jim hoff's brother he's not a person well he's a person i mean he's i don't mean i mean he's a person without a name he's an intellectual cardboard cutout that alex is talking to and it's who cares yeah i just i i just can't like the only thing i wrote down during that is just like how long can you keep doing this apparently quite a while for you know like this is nuts how many how many deaths before
Starting point is 01:12:34 you have to say i can't keep doing this you know like where does this end does this end after we get i mean it doesn't even end if it doesn't end before we get a vaccine it's definitely not going to end after we get a vaccine i don't know man i mean this is this is insane how can they keep this going this long i don't know you're sorry i'm screaming at you i apologize i apologize you're asking me but it's like i can't research that i don't know i intuitively i would have told you way before now of course that's what my gut would have told me is like yeah one shit gets pretty real even these these fraud assholes are gonna have to try and they're gonna have to get right with something yeah yeah yeah but but but those instincts that i have or those those those thoughts
Starting point is 01:13:19 are clearly not correct yeah those underlying assumptions the heavier the sand is the harder they seem to dig their heads into it so one last clip here and it's about where i checked out and it's because alex has continued continuing to race bait surrounding this story from indian apollos the woman who was shot yeah um and it was just kind of like all right i'm i just listen to you talk to jim hoft's brother i'm not going i'm not going to put up with this from you yeah so this is this was sort of the like all right i've listened to three hours of your show today go fuck yourself look at these headlines right here blm supporters celebrate death of mother shot dead for saying all lives matter when confronted by black racist thugs
Starting point is 01:14:03 she said yes they matter but white lives matter too so they shot her dead facebook twitter the left is celebrating it saying thank god one less dead white or one more dead white person totally and absolutely sickening so let me just go ahead and start over with this article for you let's just focus in on a real person that got killed right here you can have an overhead shot we're just going to sit here for a moment and look at somebody that died and think about them for just a second because the globalists don't want us to humanize any of these people yeah it's a mess um i mean he's just basically rewritten this entire story and is now using it to push his uh very racist agenda um i went and i looked at the
Starting point is 01:14:51 article that he was talking about um you know like they they're everyone's celebrating this they just cherry picked a couple of comments of course from shitheads online and they're saying that represents all you gotta do it's the same stupid game but he is like all the democrats in the left they all want to crash the economy to hurt trump and like his evidence is a fucking clip from bill mar it's the same game it's like okay yeah i bet i bet if i had the kind of patience or any belief that it meant anything i could go through all the comments on info wars and i could find people using the n word i could find i could find any horrifying thing that you want me to find of course the comments on info wars or people who are info wars fans tweeting out
Starting point is 01:15:31 horrible shit but i don't think that means anything i think that would be committing a composition fallacy to say that this one shithead commenting online in a particular way is somehow indicative of what the info wars is yeah alex does that all the fucking time and that's all he's doing here because it helps him bolster this white victimhood narrative of if you dare uh say that uh there's any nuance to black lives matter then you'll get shot in the head it's just bullshit it's it's it's patently race baiting and i i find it i find it abhorrent and disgusting now if that wasn't where you turn the show off that's definitely where i would have turned the show off i think you would probably got there earlier jim hopps brother click yeah bye
Starting point is 01:16:11 i i always have hope that maybe there'll be something interesting that comes of it but you know at a certain point you cut bait and uh that that's about where i because it's also really repetitive this this episode was really repetitive in a lot of ways like there it's it's a lot of the same like this this indianapolis story is you know he's repeating it there it comes up a couple times there's the covid story about the florida labs it's just over and over it's very it's very boring and just like the constant repetition of the same coronavirus narratives and the same uh they're gonna destroy everybody kind of shit or of course i i i just think you know like we have to we have to come full circle
Starting point is 01:16:56 with roger finally showing up and him kind of insulting alex by discussing how cernovich broke that story and how he had a house party that alex wasn't invited to or aware of but man cow was that uh alex insulting him by eating during the interview of course cutting him off with a commercial right in the middle talking about coming to god there's there's some real tension here there's some passive aggression yeah yeah and i'm glad i'm glad that this doesn't have to stretch out over weeks we can just have the the the sort of this week on the show we have the the the the the conclusion the stunning conclusion of the our saga of the will will they won't they turn exactly do and it's disappointing and alex continues to be a racist
Starting point is 01:17:38 piece of shit yeah if who shot jr lasted a couple of days that would be way better yeah i would that would have been preferable so i mean i think i think we you know we get through the this little time period and we can see that roger definitely wants what he can get out of alex yes but doesn't care about him all that much based on i mean you know like it's kind of what alex says all the time you judge a tree by its fruits and i think these fruits clearly indicate that roger would rather be elsewhere if there is a higher degree of thing he can get out of it it's almost great points thank you alex you son of a bitch i think i think alex is in agreement that uh that that i do make some great points about how roger doesn't care about i got
Starting point is 01:18:19 nothing i got alex roger doesn't care about you anymore and i agree with you thank you grow up and find some other dick to to guide the ship don't make best friends with psychopaths that's usually a good roger stone's entire career is evidence of don't make friends with roger stone insane i don't know anyway we'll be back uh uh we'll see you wednesday but uh i'll be back on monday with something or other something but until then jordan we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight dot com and my book is at the quiet part loud dot com yeah we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight and that go to bed jordan i was on facebook we are facebook you tell the show i choose really review and if you could
Starting point is 01:19:00 please find a local charity or bail fund in your area and uh help people out if you can't yep we'll be back until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i am not jim hoft's brother andy and chan's us you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you

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