Knowledge Fight - #459: July 17, 2020

Episode Date: July 22, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss how Alex Jones ended the past week on his show. In this installment, Alex discusses his support for the federal government's actions in Portland, introduces a confusing new supplement line, and closes the show a bit creepy.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George knowledge fight need money. Andy and Kansas, stop it. Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. I'm a huge fan. I love your word. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like sit around. Dick novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex, son of dentists to Jones, son of David Bowie. Amaric Jones. Yes, absolutely. Dan. Hey, Jordan. Quick question. Jordan. Excuse me. I forgot to pronounce your name for a second. What was your bright spot? I got an

interesting bright spot for you. Sure. Sure. What do you got? So as you walked into the apartment today, you might have noticed that I have a couch. You have in the living room now. Most of a couch. I built this this couch that that came that I ordered and unfortunately as I was building it, I noticed that one of the back pieces was broken and I was trying to install it and I actually stabbed myself in between. Oh, I see it. That's a middle finger. That's a deep one. Yeah. And it's a really bad place. We're right on the web between your fingers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the worst paper cutting. Instead you got stabbed with a couch. Yeah. That's no good. How many people out there have been stabbed by couches?

Y'all ever seen his couch stab? You might be a redneck. You've been stabbed by a couch. Yeah. So I got stabbed. Uh-huh. And so I needed to get a replacement part for it. Obviously naturally. Now I ordered this couch from Wayfair. I should say that I ordered it before before the conspiracy started. This was I can confirm it was ordered before it turns out that there was a child inside of that couch. Family of six came in the couch. Now I ordered it before these conspiracies started going around. And in fact, when I saw the conspiracies come up, I like hope that doesn't delay the couch. This doesn't get in the way of my furniture. And so it came and it was broken and I got kind of disappointed. I had a little bit

pissed off because I'm used to dealing with like really terrible customer service. Yeah. And I called the Wayfair customer service people and of course because of covid and stuff, there was a delay. Yeah, I was on hold for a good twenty five minutes or so, but as soon as I started talking to somebody, the guy was like, I own so sorry. Let's figure out what we can do. Yeah, expressed another part to me and then without me asking took 20 percent off the couch. Like it was the best customer service I've experienced. It's so long. So like I can't, you know, like I don't think these conspiracy. Hey, if you sell kids, you sell kids, but I'm going to be honest. Great customer. I don't think these conspiracy theories are true.

And in fact, I think the Wayfair might be my favorite company that I've had the had to deal with. I mean, it's a it's a small sample side of companies that I've true. I've really had to deal with customer service with, but they were above and beyond. Imagine if Comcast was like, let's figure out how to fix it. I'm going to have to send you to somebody else, not in Illinois. So the other thing that I was I I I decided like this guy is so nice that I'm just going to go for it. Yeah, I was like, hey, I don't this brought you love me. I was like, this is probably a fucked up question to ask you, but you guys, kids has been getting any calls about that conspiracy stuff and to the guy's credit he, you know, it was very diplomatic because you know that you

can't answer that question. You know, you can't for risk of saying something wrong. You got to be sort of delicate and he was just like, I will say that I have gotten calls. Yeah, I started thinking about how much of a bummer it is that this guy who just like is excelling at his job. Yeah, treated me as a customer so well, of course, still has to deal with like people calling in and making accusations. We got to we got to make some fake conspiracy theories about companies that really suck make those people have to deal with like Comcast absolutely probably sells children inside of their fucking modem. See the that's why they're all named so stupidly. The problem that I have with that is like the people who are answering those calls don't deserve that

like to have people call and accuse them and yell at them but stuff. It's not their fault. It's not the people at the call center is fault. I don't want I don't want it to be directed towards them at all universal basic income. And if you work for Comcast, you get what you deserve. No, no, no, no. So anyway, my bright spot was dealing with customer service. Surprisingly, ironically, considering the world. Yeah, how about you my my bright spot is all of the very nice things that people have said to me wishes of condolence and support. My aunt did die Friday morning. I'm sorry. So or yeah, that was back back Friday morning. So that's that's all at least complete. Yeah. So that is what it is. Thank you to everybody who

has sent very nice messages. And there was a St. Jude's card. I don't know. Yes. I forwarded that on to you. Yes. I saw that I didn't get the chance to take a look at that. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was that about? There was a donation made in your aunt's memory by Mary Catherine listener Mary Catherine. Oh, yes. And so that yeah, that got sent along from St. Jude's. Oh, that's wonderful. Thank you very much, Mary Catherine. I'm looking at that right now. It's a that's a very nice E card. Yeah. Yeah, that's very, very nice. So sorry that you've had quite a weekend. It was a whirlwind. Yeah. Family's rough, Dan. Don't do it. Don't do it. I'm a pass hard pass. See, I'm coming just to the I'm coming around on the other side of it. I'm starting to actually

like my family a bit more as I grow slightly healthier. But I certainly understand the situation that you're describing. It'll happen. But welcome back. We're back. Yeah. It was good to take a little bit of time off. It was necessary for your sake. And then I, you know, I had speculated on Friday's episode that we'd have another episode with maybe some guest or whatever. But I thought about it and I realized like it's just not as much fun without you. And it just, you know, if you're if you're going through something or you know, taking some time, let's all just take some time. Listen, you don't need to tell me I am great. Don't worry. That's the point. Um, so Jordan today we got. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. What? How does there nothing

to tell me that stone is tossing round a diet and words? What are we doing? We'll get to that in a second. We're doing here. It's got to be fireworks, dad. Well, so here's the thing. This is not going to help the arguments that I am Alex Jones. Alex has been. He's been out studio. You got dammit. What is happening every single time? How long was he gone? He was gone Sunday. He had people filling in Monday. He called in for a little bit and Owen Troyer hosted. Okay. And then today as we're recording Tuesday, David Knight and Owen Troyer hosted and Alex called in for like 20 minutes at the beginning of the show and yelled about China and some shit. So he got he listened to our episode on Saturday. He's like, well,

Jordan's not going to be there. So I don't need to worry about the Sunday through Tuesday because he still doesn't realize we record on Tuesday. You know, he'll be back to work tomorrow thinking, well, this will be great for their Wednesday episode. That's not how we record Alex. I mean, I don't know what's going on, but it's really suspicious. I mean, I'm not saying that he's planning breaks around us, but I think look at this. Okay. Okay. How many how many you had a bereavement break that we had to take. It was on pretty short notice very short. And then Alex is gone gone Monday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. What's the point? It's not going to be on knowledge fight. What's the point now? A month ago, we had to take some

little time off because I was moving. Yep. Alex went on vacation right when I was moving. Who's listening? We might be the only people listening. What's the point of him doing his show? If he doesn't look, I'm not going to do a stand up show to zero people in the audience. That's a fair point. At the very least I know I've got two people in the audience and knowledge honestly think that this is one of those rare situations where the hecklers improve the show immeasurably. We take the art form and we elevate it very slightly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't know what to think. I'm just starting to like if I was a little bit nuttier, I would really be convinced there's something to this pattern. Okay, quick question,

but I'm not that I'm not that into ascribing importance to coincidences. So is Wayfair selling a cabinet named Emerick? Oh, I don't know. We got to look. I'm just saying there's a possibility that's actually the name of my couch. Well, what's in there? So what we got is Alex's Friday show, the last one he did before he left. We got the July 17 2020. I'm Dan. This is 2020. God damn it. And the worst year, the more you've said the year, the worse the year has gotten down. Yeah, maybe there is something to I am starting to believe that you're some sort of weird, unfortunate, ignorant, impotent or omnipotent being. I certainly hope not what you think comes to being Dan, then I need to get back into mindfulness meditation. You fucking gotta yeah. All right.

Well anyway, we're going to go over that episode and it's a mess. It's stupid and at the end it gets really, really inappropriate and very fucked up. In a way that I probably normally wouldn't cover, but because Alex has been out of studio and honestly, I don't know what to do with this situation anymore, that that I generally err on the side of not covering. Right. I'm talking about his son. Yeah, I don't know what to do anymore. So we're going to talk about a tiny bit. He's all enough now. Well, I don't know. I still have a little bit of uncertainty of exactly how to deal with things and how to treat him as a media entity, but at the point where Alex is like like constantly pushing him to the forefront and having him on his show.

I don't know how I give a free pass. I don't know how I just ignore too late now. I don't. I don't know if he was like 15. I would 100% ignore. Of course I would absolutely have hands off, but you know he's moved out. Apparently Alex keeps saying that he's living on his own. He is ostensibly an adult. Of course. I don't know what to do. Anyway, we'll talk about that more at the end of the episode when I'm going to tell you more about tits. What's what's on the news? He might have learned a few things from Gavin and we'll see about that in a moment. But before we get down to business on that, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show. So first captain mutton chops. Thank you

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culpa and an apology to make to you, to myself, to the audience and to a hot sauce company. I, unfortunately, due to carelessness, sloppiness, lack of rigidity in my work, workflow. Let's just call it user error. Sure. I lost a Q&A episode that we recorded. It was about two hours long, and I pissed off that I lost it because we told the story of how we met. Yep. Yep. I discussed a lot of stuff about my taste in hip hop when I was younger. It was long exhaustive, encyclopedic details about Antikon records and all sorts of nonsense. It was impressive. Yeah. And then also we did a taste testing of Peggy's vegan hot sauces that a listener sent us. And we had such a revelatory experience where you realize that you love. I love hot sauce. I

loved. I loved every one of those hot sauces and I was fine. You thought that you couldn't handle them, but we had, we had really hot versions of stuff and you were just fine and enjoying it. And I thought that was great. And then also some of them were avocado based and I thought I was allergic to avocados. You are not allergic to avocado. We came to a very self revelatory kind of situation. And now I can't find the audio and maybe I'll be able to find it one day. Maybe it's somewhere in some weird folder that I have and I just don't know where it is. Don't look dad is the title of the could be that's possible that it's somewhere, but I can't bank on that and I feel really bad about that because I really would have loved to share that with the listeners,

but there's a second reason and that is because there were a bunch of shout outs for listeners and donors on it and I didn't keep a record of the names that we shouted out on that and there were a bunch. Yeah. So here's what I want to say. We are behind on shout outs and we're working on ways to get closer to current. Unfortunately, one of those ways was doing these Q&A. That was kind of a big strategy. We kind of shot myself in the foot here. There was that, but we have some plans to be able to get closer to current in the future. But right now, because of losing this Q&A episode, I do not know some names that need shout outs. So if you are listening and you haven't heard your name shout it out and you have donated before May 15th, please send an email to knowledgefightedgmail.com

and I'll expedite it to the front of the row and we will make sure that make everything right. I am not good at this Jordan and I need to get better. I need the rest of the world. The rest of the podcasting world is just like thanks everyone for donating. That's what they say. That's what they do. We shout ourselves in the foot before you ever even tried to record the Q&A. I like playing drops of Alex saying funny things and I enjoy the people. Some people like to throw some funny names and also the funny fake names and then people like hearing names. So I enjoy that aspect of it. Please let me know though. We want to make things right as best we can and we'll try to do that. Of course. Now Jordan, in lieu of an out of context drop,

I do think you mentioned this earlier and I do think that it is relevant and that is that over the weekend or maybe I don't remember exactly what day it was. I believe it was over the weekend. Roger Stone was a guest on a radio show. Tossing it out there. He might have used a little slur and so let's check in on Roger pretending that his phone. He didn't. It didn't work. It was a bad connection. But I also believe that your friendship and relationship and history with Donald Trump weighed more heavily than him just wanting to make sure that justice was done by a person in the justice system that you were treated so unfairly. There are thousands of people treated unfairly daily. How your number just happened to come up in the lottery. I'm

guessing it was more than just luck. Roger, right? I don't know if this may work. I'm sorry. What was that? Roger? Roger? I'm sorry. What did you say? Shit. I'm sorry. You're arguing with him? I thought we were having just a very spirited conversation. What happened? You have reached the phone of Roger Stone. Would you not like to do the conversation, sir? If you would like to be rat-fucked, please leave your name at the end of the beep. I hear that the line is not dead.

Yeah, I was talking and you said something about Negro, so I wasn't exactly sure. I did not. You're out of your mind. Okay. Well, we'll let the listeners decide. Let me go to the next question then. Whatever. We'll let the listeners decide and I've decided that was definitely Roger saying what he claims to not have. He didn't say that. Now, I think there's two things here. One is a joke and one is a terrifying sort of reality. The joke is this would be a great Twix commercial. Chew it over with that Twix. Just Roger sitting like, hmm. Second, the reality is like this is so indicative of like casual, just flippant use of these sorts of terms like, you know, like, hey, he can, you know, anybody can pretend like, hey,

it's not a hard R or something and pretend that, but you know what, you're sitting there and you didn't say, I don't want to argue with this guy. Yeah. No, you say, Roger said that word for a reason and it's because he's a big old. Yeah, he's a big old big. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's. I don't know why you had Roger Stone on your show. First off, other than to save what he did. Wow. Everybody got what they wanted out of it. I think it's all bullshit. I was so mad that people were. I don't know why you have Roger Stone on your show now. Yeah, I think I think that it's a not necessarily the best booking, but I can. I can see why he is of the moment in terms of the news. Like he is a relevant topic and if you can get an interview with him where you're

allowed to get a little confrontational, I don't, I don't know if it's the worst thing in the world. I don't know what you're, I agree with you though. Like, I don't know what you expect to get out of it. Like also, what question was that? Why would you bother answering a question that you already know the answer to Roger Stone? Why would you ask that question? Yeah, Roger Stone has been on a please Trump. I have been your friend. I will do anything for you. Give me a pardon or a commutation tour. Yeah, for a long time and then he got it. Of course he got it because he's his friend and he promised he would do whatever Trump wanted him to do. Don't ask a question that would make it Roger have to be like, well, I think this was justice being done. Fuck off. We all know why

he got he got it. Yeah, but I think that's that's why is he's poking. He's poking a little bit hoping to elicit some response. You just don't expect the response to be Roger saying to someone who he thinks can't be heard on the phone. Yeah, I don't want to argue with this end. It's the best thing for both parties involved. Roger Stone. What what is somebody going to think differently of Roger Stone? Yeah, I mean that what can he do? Yeah, you know, you already knew he was a bigot. Now he just said it out loud. It's pretty shocking though. Like I was not shocked at all. Here's what I'm saying. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I agree with you. Yeah, I think it's shocking because of the casualness. I think not hearing Roger use the offensive

language. I think it's shocking that his mouth was near a phone. He knew is doing a radio interview. And this is what I'm saying. Lean into it, man. You're free. You have to at this point. How do you not feel like you're untouchable? You can't change anybody's opinion of you and you literally cannot go to jail. State charges. Lie around. Start robbing fucking banks. That's what I'm all about. State charges. Like any part of the justice system fucking cares. That's a fair point. So anyway, this has been the Roger corner. We'll check in periodically whenever he says really fucked up things that he thinks aren't going to be recorded. Apparently, I didn't listen to this, but apparently he's been denying that that was

him. He didn't say it. Oh, he was denying it wasn't him. Was it? Was it Dan? It was a credit card. A credit card. It was ready to go. It was ready to go doing a great Roger stone impression. One of the only people who can do a good Roger. So we jump in here on Friday the 17th and the things that are in the news. Um, certainly, uh, Portland, uh, also the Twitter, it was just hacked. Right. So Alex. Oh, yeah, that's right. Alex is talking about how a bunch of people had their Twitter's taken over and used for a Bitcoin scam. Yeah. Or was it? When the Twitter hack happened, I recognized it was a message right away by who got hit.

Clearly, the Bitcoin scam was just a cover for who was really behind it. What was going on? And you better believe it's antifa patriots inside US intelligence. Damn it. You were way off. Way off. Completely the wrong direction. We're giving patriots credit. Yep. It was Patriots. Oh boy. So the good guys and intelligence did that. And then the cryptocurrency thing was just a cover and Alex knows this because of who got their accounts. Right? Alex is just making this up. Oh man. There's nothing that the good guys and intelligence would try and fake more than Jeff Bezos attempting to give money away. Sure. I mean, Alex's take on this will end up being like it was the good guys letting them know they've got all their DM. Oh, yeah, they've got it.

All right. Alex will get into it a little bit more later and we'll talk about it then. They can pedophile ring you. Secret indictments, Dan. Sure. So every, oh God. Okay. Every second is precious is a lot of the theme that's going on here with Alex at the beginning. And he's also wasting a lot of seconds. This beginning of the episode is not good. It's really fucked up. But it's not like Alex isn't drunk. He doesn't appear to be high or anything like that. But he's just like off. There's something off about him. And I don't know what it is. And it just turned me the fuck off through most of this episode. Like I found, I found his demeanor to be rough. And again, ladies and gentlemen, there is just so much unfolding. And it's such a historic

time that we are all in. I just want everybody to think about each millisecond lost is is precious. People are ready to hear the truth now. America is fighting a global consortium literally trying to bankrupt us and cause a giant race war and break our back forever. Do you really want that? Even if you again are an atheist sociopath, you wouldn't want the country to go belly up. Almost no one is going to get more power out of this except a very tiny group. And they're doing it. And they're already in power. They're going to hurt their own investments in their own system because it's a spiritual fight. And they are slaves

executing an operation. So please think about visiting info or store.com have the Christmas in July sale going right now. What the fuck is this? What is this? So I don't I don't know if that clip really fully encapsulated, but you can see you could feel a little bit of the staccato rhythm. There's there's something off about his his sort of way of being on the show. And I can't like even having listened to all of it. I'm not like necessarily setting something up or teasing anything. I just don't know what's going on. There's there's some there was a feeling that I had that was a little bit different. And it made me uncomfortable. Yeah. But what makes me more uncomfortable is that Alex has a guest pretty early on. Oh, no. And that is millennial Millie

Millie Weaver. Oh, God, Rainbow Snatch. Okay, here we go. Snatch. I don't know if her investigation into the sunshine movement has borne fruit yet the sunshine movements. She's so you don't even forgotten that you don't even remember. No, I do. I do. I didn't remember immediately. I had to stop and think about it. She came on weeks back and said that they had mirrored the entire server and they were so much they had to dig through it. And then yeah. And all I mean, they talk about it a tiny bit in this appearance. And she says that like, she's still got a mole on the inside. Of course. I don't know. I don't know what's going on with this. I haven't heard her come on Alex's show and really break down any specifics. I don't know what's going on. I'm going to guess it's

nothing. So far, I would assume if she's dropping bombshells and they still haven't figured out who the mole is. Either these are Bob shells. There is no mole or the sunshine movement don't care. They probably don't. I would say all three. Who knows? Yeah, I would take all three. Anyway, Millie is really dumb. And here's one of those instances. And one of the things that they talk about also Alex is that they actually believe that COVID-19 is a result of climate change. So they include that in there as part of climate justice. Because of COVID-19 and because the climate change caused it, we've got to make XYZ changes exactly. It's always the same. And they also say the COVID-19 is good because it's going to teach us to lower our

carbon footprint. That's what this really is. So Millie is talking about Biden's climate plan. And I don't really care about Rainbow Snatch's stupid interview. She's showing up on the show to claim that Joe Biden is secretly a radical and that if he gets elected, he's going to use climate change for years to introduce his own climate Gestapo full of SJWs who want to force you to use different light bulbs or something. It's very stupid and it's very difficult to listen to. I pulled out that clip though, because I felt like it really well captured the insincerity and lack of curiosity in the right wing, particularly in people who have anointed themselves as the people in the world who are responsible for conveying information. If we're to believe Rainbow

Snatch, she saw some Democrats connecting climate change to COVID-19 and her response to that seems to have just been rejecting the idea and not exploring it any further and then bringing it up condescendingly on Alex's show. So as to give the audience the permission to reject the idea as well without doing any further analysis. What kind of idiot would say that the weather affects viruses? Anyways, a week ago I said that when it gets hot, viruses don't work anymore. So what's the point here? Shouldn't a person who has taken on the job of disseminating information hold themselves to a higher standard than what we're seeing here? Shouldn't they feel like it's their job to actually understand the topics they're discussing before mocking them as nonsensical?

I would bet anything I own that Rainbow Snatch could not explain why people would connect COVID-19 to climate change and I would further bet that it never even crossed her mind that she should look into it before discussing it. Why would you? She heard the connection, decided it was liberal lunacy and moved on. Oh liberals. If she cared about the reality, she could have learned something by actually engaging with material and reading up on the subject, which is actually really important. This topic is in terms of the future of the planet. If she wanted a nice boil down of the topic, she could have read ProPublica's piece from May 7th titled, quote, how climate change is contributing to skyrocketing rates of infectious disease. The number one threat to humans in terms

of unknown and undiscovered infectious diseases are animals that live in habitats like dense forests and quote, wild and remote places out of reach of humans. Under ideal circumstances, the animals, like certain bats that carry diseases and humans, you know, they would never make contact with most of them under normal circumstances. And there'd be very small risks in terms of them infecting people and it's spreading to human hosts, whatever they're carrying. However, there are a couple trends that have been happening that affect things that make the world we live in not ideal. The first is that we're engaging in massive deforestation around the world seeking to turn wild land into areas that we can use to make money. The second is climate change making

previous habitats inhospitable to animals causing them to move like to seek out new sources of water and food or just living. You saw a wolf in Chicago. Yeah, I did. Yeah. And sometimes because of these moves and these migrations, they end up closer to humans. These two forces combined to increase the chances that animals that could carry new and novel infectious diseases will be in closer proximity to human settlements and also increase the likelihood of them infecting a person and causing an outbreak. This is a very real concern, but it's not even the entirety of the concern from climate change as it relates to disease. From this pro-publica article, quote, roughly 60% of new pathogens come from animals, including those pressured by diversity loss. And roughly

one third of those can be directly attributed to changes in human land use, meaning deforestation, the introduction of farming, development or resource extraction in otherwise natural settings. Vector-borne diseases, those carried by insects like mosquitoes and ticks and transferred in the blood of infected people are also on the rise as warming weather and erratic precipitation vastly expand the geographic regions vulnerable to contagion. Climate is even bringing old viruses back from the dead, thawing zombie contagions like the anthrax released from frozen reindeer in 2016, which came down from the Arctic and haunt us from the past. This is not some new idea that people have just trotted out because of COVID-19. You can easily find a retrospective study in the journal

Environment International from January 2016, which discusses the history of scholarly literature on the connection between climate change and human infectious diseases. If you read even a little bit of the information on the subject, it honestly starts to become laughable that anyone would think it would be possible for climate changes not to affect infectious disease transmission. For instance, why is there certain seasons for diseases? If the seasons shift a little bit, do you think that would have an effect on the disease season? No, flu season is just like a general vibe, man. I feel like we're in flu season, you know? It's sort of like, you know, I just know when I see it.

If they had known, they would have let Rudolph play in those fucking reindeer games, and instead they all got fucking anthrax. That's what happens. That's the story they don't want you to tell. Santa didn't make it. That light was not enough. You should have two headlights. Jesus. And bam, anthrax. Like you should have the wall flowers. Here are just a couple of lines from the Environment International study that I'd like Rainbow Snatch to think about. Quote, a pathogen needs a certain temperature range to survive and develop. Second, quote, climate change may cause shifts in precipitation, which affects the dissemination of waterborne pathogens. And then finally, quote, the pathogens of airborne

infectious diseases such as influenza tend to be responsive to humidity conditions. For example, absolute humidity and temperature were found to affect influenza virus transmission and survival. The factors related to climate go on and on in terms of infectious diseases. It's a very large the very and I know I know I know that you and a lot of people listening were probably like saying, of course, but she's mocking this idea. So I'm treating it like, oh, you don't understand. No, no, no, no. I didn't say completely from everything I can tell. She must not understand. She doesn't. Otherwise, she would get that this is a very real thing. No, completely, completely blindsided by the idea. It's weird that we live in a global ecosystem

wherein one thing, even though you think it's unreal, one button you think is unrelated to every other button press actually sets off a chain reaction of button presses leading to consequences that you cannot understand unless you, I don't know, dedicate your life to studying it. It seems to me that like in order for this to be true, like her feeling to be true or this like mocking of this connection to be true. She must like take issue with all germ theory, more or less they all right. I mean, don't wear a mask. It has to be a complete denial of God's wrath on you having abortions. Of course, they don't believe in germ theory. It's very weird. Yeah, there are a ton of ways that the change in climate can lead to very real

new dangers in terms of public health, even if you're only talking about the subject from the perspective of infectious disease. So when Rainbow Snatch wants to come on info wars and hand wave away the subject, find it kind of difficult to take anything she's saying seriously. When I say that these people like Millie and Alex are not serious people, this is a great example of what I mean when they encounter an idea that seems like a problem for their worldview, they don't consider the idea and try and understand it. They immediately decide that the idea is liberal nonsense and then make up their own story about it. That's not good work, but it's all these people are capable of. That's why when Alex sees this Twitter hack, he's just decided to write

a little novella about it. Yeah, that's what all the people on info wars are capable of. Yeah, so it does not surprise me that on every interview that Roger Stone did, they did not make one of his major credits, former info wars host Roger Stone and maybe left that one out and maybe coming back to host in the war room with Owen because guy needs a paycheck. He does need a paycheck and nobody else is hiring him. A galaxy might be in a better negotiating position. I'd have to pay him quite so much now, but it sure would make you your news outlook look kind of silly if you're like we're having former info wars host Roger Stone on. Yeah, every single introduction for every interview should include he got sued for lying about a guy on info wars. I have to

apologize. I tried to blame an underling. Yeah, how fucking dare you say that he was anything other than an info wars host now mud slinging pile of off. So anyway, Millie Weaver talks a little bit more about stupid things and one of them is that so Alex doesn't want Trump to do a virtual convention because he's strong. He's big boy. Now the Democrats are going to do a virtual convention and Millie has an interesting theory about why I hear it. What do you think is going to happen to the convention? They're trying to make everything virtual. I don't think Trump should give it to the sphere. He should have his convention. The Democrats are going to have a virtual convention. You're going to be covering it. Yes, I think, I think Trump needs to push

forward as he would have normally pushed forward. I think the reason they're creating all of this is to try to hide the fact that Joe Biden doesn't have as much of support as they would hope for him to have. Try to hide the fact that he's really weak at debating. He has issues from his strokes and whatever else. But I mean, they know that his policies are going to be called out. They know that Trump is going to be the person to lay out just how bad Joe Biden is. And I think that they're just trying to avoid that. Does Millie think that there's going to be a presidential debate at the Democratic Convention? What does she think a regular convention would require of Joe Biden? Blood sport. The virtual convention does not. He's just there and then he talks.

He has to vanquish every senator in debate. This is not medieval times. We don't choose at night for one section of the DNC and then the other and they have to joust with Joe Biden intellectual jousting. They have to debate that is part of the Democratic National Convention. I want to hide the fact that he doesn't know how to debate with all the people who already agree with it. Right? He's won the fucking nomination already. It's not like what's going to happen to everybody if they were there. They go yeah and somebody powerful would give a good speech like Obama's that would pull them into the presidency. I also do think I mean there is something to be said for you know if there if there is a convention there would be a certain

contingent of people who would be protesting. There would be some people on the left who'd be protesting at the Democratic Convention. Hell yeah because fuck them they suck too. And look the the the issue there isn't like you're not trying to avoid that by not having a convention. You could you could do that. Right. It's more about there's a pandemic. There's that. Right. There is that. But it's it's really about not being able to debate. Does she think that the DNC and the RNC happened at the same time? I don't know what she did. They're different like you have to talk to the other one like it's like a giant game of Red Rover. I honestly don't know. I don't know what the the idea is

of like yeah they're just going to have him on camera so he doesn't have to debate people now what or hide his support because even if he's even if he doesn't have as much support sure he can fill out a ten thousand Cedar I would assume you know and like if you're talking about this if this is in the context of Trump and Biden debating. I mean I'll listen to that. I don't know if they're going to do any debates. I don't know if they're going to if they would do a digital virtual debate. I don't know if that's the conversation then all right. But if you're talking about the conventions I don't know what you're talking about. I cannot imagine a reason for a debate. I cannot think of any reason to get the two of them to talk. It seems unlikely

that you're going to sway anybody. It's silly. It's silly. If they debated we're all just going to watch it and be like can we vote for not America anymore. I don't know what to vote for. Yeah I don't. I mean in terms of tradition and there's always debates you know but yeah there should be debates sometimes. But in this one circumstance specifically yeah there's no point. I don't know if I have an opinion on it. I think you know there's a lot of people who think it's important to have those debates and I can understand where they're coming from and then I think that you have a very valid point that who gives you cares what these idiots have to say. I think I think I think I would say that there's not many undecided voters. No

well you know unlikely. Look I get it. Trump is basically committing second degree murder every single day and every time he speaks. But I really want to know what his new tax plan is going to be. Yeah and I won't decide until I compare it with what Biden says his tax plan is going to be. Let's see. Get the fuck out. I would. Yeah. I don't know. So Biden this question is for you. Is the president killing people right now. Yes. Next question Trump. What is. Are you killing people. What is the executive branch. That's a fake question. That's a nasty. Not a real question. Not a real question. I'm king. So Alex has decided that the Twitter hack is the good guys taking over parts of Twitter. Why not. And send it a message. So he

expands on this and now apparently part of Google has been taken over. I can't get into the specifics I've been asked not to but I can tell people that Google has been partially recaptured by US intelligence. It was always set up by US intelligence but it had been handed over to multinationals of the Chinese. As far as Google goes about three weeks ago they began to buckle to whatever this internal war is. Mellie. All right. Whatever man. This is a fun spy novel you're writing Alex but I don't first of all I don't think it's innovative in terms of the sort of just narrative structure. I don't think anyone's going to publish this. Did the British also recapture Fort Sumter or something.

I love the idea too that it's only part of Google. It's so segmented. You know like they don't have any hands in YouTube. That's a whole different department. Clearly not. Of course not. You can only conquer. A new channel isn't back. So it's like it's like in a video game. It's like those open world video games or it's like so you conquered one region. Now the rest of it you still have to his enemy territory. Now Google is still operating exactly as it was before but part of it has been taken over. There's a guy sitting at a cubicle and he has been annexed by the good guys in the government but the guy next to him is still a globalist. We're working on it. It's a game of inches. We are disappearing people slowly.

Well speaking of that. Yeah. I think so it's Tuesday as we're recording right so I can't actually say for sure that Mellie's prediction didn't come true because who knows. I mean this evening entirely as John Gabriel says on a podcast a lot nights a puppy. Don't know if don't know what's going to happen this evening. Right. But Mellie will be wrong tomorrow if this doesn't happen. What is your view on Trump the election with 180 days out and what do you think's coming next. Well I'm going to be careful how I say this but there may or may not be some joint four stars having some problems on Tuesday pertaining to the New York Times op-ed. But that's all I can say. So as far as what's coming next that seems

to be in the works. We're talking about how all the top generals have pissed on the president publicly ahead of the calls for a coup against the president. They think they're getting brownie points and word is there's any moves against them. Training the swamp you know. I mean President Trump is doing his best to get it done. Yeah. So I guess cheering on clearing up the military. So wait we're trying to get written in a loyalist. Don't they like pick a lane. Hey Jordan how many four star generals do you think are active right now. Six. Eight. Eight. There's only eight. Yeah. Four star. I was going to say that that's why it's a real big deal to be a four star general. Yeah. They're way up there. It's like a huge deal. Yeah. And I don't know if she realizes this

Rambo snatch but all of them have made rank in Trump's term as president. That's because they're the swamp from Obama's time. I don't. I don't. I don't. Nothing means anything. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what she's talking about. I don't know what you know obviously Tuesday is not over so I don't know what's going to happen. There's a possibility but they seem to be really excited about the idea of Trump crushing all dissent within. Yeah. Within the military. No it's it's a it's a fringe idea now but I give it another I don't know 30 days before the mainstream GOP is like we should cancel the election. Like it's going to be a mainstream thought not having an election. It's going to be brutal.

So we haven't talked a whole lot about this because Alex hasn't really talked a whole lot about it but there's been a lot of goings on in Portland. There have been nights upon nights 50 or so nights of protests surrounding the Justice Center there. Robert Evans wrote a great Bellingcat talk about that a little bit that is just right on the real good primer. We're going to we're going to talk about his breakdown of this a little bit because I think it gives a lot of really good perspective on what's actually going on from a local perspective and from the perspective of somebody who's been there. I've watched a lot of his streams and then some other folks who have been streaming and taken in a good amount. On our last episode I was saying

that I don't have a real good sense of what's going on and I still think that that's kind of the case. I have apprised myself and had by the time we recorded last of a lot of resources of peoples but I mean I'm in Chicago. I don't really I think that there's only so much of a perspective that you can get without. You're not on the ground. Right. And to that end I feel like it's a story that would be very difficult to cover especially as it's still active and going on because of the distance from it. The same way that I feel like it would have been really hard for us to talk about the precise things that were going on with the autonomous zone. Yeah. I don't know exactly. Right. Right. You kind of have to find some resources you can trust and go from there.

And so we're going to talk about it a little bit because Alex finally actually starts talking about it and I will say that his perspective is not good. It's great. I love military secret police. I want the feds to come in and take my property. He basically is. Of course. After seeing the video today Senator Wyden wants to know who's in charge of those officers saying when Donald Trump sends federal law enforcement into Portland with no accountability. Core questions about the physical safety and civil liberties of peaceful protesters are sure to follow. Meanwhile President Trump today praised federal police actions here is doing a great job in Portland. Portland was very rough and they called us and we did a good job. All right. We are back. Now why did I start

this hour with that. I've watched probably 30 minutes of footage of what's going on there just last night. Comprehensive sent in by the Democrats sent in by George Soros with battle plans and action plans that we received from inside their criminal operation. Contracts years ago. Contracts they direct us to try to get the general public to burn down federal buildings and other structures. So we'll talk about the specifics a little bit more as the episode progresses. But for now I just want to draw sharp attention to how the only primary source Alex ever trots out in these circumstances is that stupid fake Soros Antifa contract that Harrison Smith found on 4chan a couple years back. This hoax ass document is behind so much of his argument that it's

legitimately embarrassing if you actually take a step back. It really should be. So I was going through my files and I realized that I'd actually taken screenshots of all the pages of these fake documents since I was worried at the time that I couldn't rely on Alex to keep them up on his website. Like I figured it did get exposed as fraud. You would hope. So I wanted to have hard copies and I had them. I reread them. They're fucking hilarious. I remember that they were funny in terms of the idea of their existence. But man it's so silly for one thing. If you go to the section on approved practices it says quote point of contact D.A. Donnelly do not name this individual. Jordan stop laughing. Okay. Do not is all tax. Do not name this individual in any

comms or in person. Of course. This does not leave this document. Okay. If that name is so secret that you can't even say it to each other in person then why I ask you would you fucking put it in a contract in the contract. That's so awesomely stupid just from an evil planning standpoint that like if you think someone would do that you probably watch too many movies. Don't you remember those pages in the nine eleven report where it was like the Saudis did it. Do you remember those how they didn't redact those at all doesn't leave this yeah this doesn't leave the document. The Saudis did it. No stitching in this section you learned that if you're a Soros Antifa agent and you get some hand-to-hand combat quote closed fists may be used only below

the neck and above the belt. Well that's just that's just play but quote open hands may be used wherever. Well it's Marquis of Queensbury rules I believe. Unfortunately Jordan quote kicking is not permitted and less provoked with no other recourse. I had to kick. I had no no he had my hands tied behind my back and I had to kick him. I had no choice. You get taken to Soros HR and there's a kicked a guy got to let you kick the guy you got to let you go. Look what are we the cops. We're not going to keep you on. So these documents are embarrassing and obvious fakes but I started looking into it a little more and I found something really interesting. According to a recent article in Reuters these documents have been resurfacing on social media with people

claiming that they were found at a George Floyd related protest that some Antifa member had dropped them. This is how things always go with primary sources involved in conspiracy building. The same dumb shit will be reused over and over and over because people are gullible. If you need citations on that look into the protocols. Anyway there's some added hilarity that can be found in this Reuters article. For the longest time Alex has been saying that these documents are between Antifa and George Soros' son Alexander Soros because that's the only son Alex knows about. In reality the document claims to be from Friends of Democracy which is a pack that was founded by Jonathan Soros one of Soros' other kids who Alex doesn't know about. Also

these forged documents appeared online in 2018 but purported to be from 2015 in the aftermath and unrest and protesting surrounding the killing of Freddie Gray in April of that year. Now here's the problem. What's wrong? Friends of Democracy didn't exist in 2015. Who says who? Says who? The SEC? It secretly existed. A year earlier it had been reorganized and merged. They were the super friends of Democracy back then. It had gotten reorganized and merged in 2014 with another group called the Public Campaign Action Fund and the new organization's name is Every Voice. There's specifically a group focused on promoting the candidacies of folks who are running for office whose platforms include getting money out of campaigns. That's what they're about.

At the time these contracts were supposed to have been made the shadowy evil Soros company that is said to be involved didn't even exist. This is very sad. Even like tragic levels of fraudulent shit going on here that Alex is trying to present as real. Do you see what I'm saying about a debate? What is the point of debating with people who believe this shit is real? What are you going to say to them? I mean you laugh. You laugh at this stuff. You're just going to laugh at them and then they're going to be like, well look at Joe Biden laughing at the honor, the sacred honor of the title of president. I think you do best. You're best to not laugh at individuals for believing this because it's easy to get sucked into something when you just let your critical

thinking laugh. We've all done it. Sure. And it's not like, you know, getting fooled by something doesn't mean anything negative about you. It's not like, you know, you shouldn't feel ashamed. It doesn't always mean something negative about you. You shouldn't feel ashamed. You can feel embarrassed if you like. Yeah, yeah, you should feel embarrassed and you should own up to it. Yeah, you can you can you can cop to that and move forward. Yeah, I think the laughing at the idea of believing this is all you can do because you can't argue with anybody who believes this. You shouldn't mock them because that's kind of cruel, but you can laugh at the idea of believing that they wouldn't make this kind of a fucking stupid contract on real. It's the best

you can do. Unreal. You can almost feel the desperation in Alex, though. This guy who he loves and helped get elected is the guy who's doing all the things he spent his entire career yelling about the globalists doing. And the only way Alex can make it like it look like anything other than like he's just become a sellout for a dictator is if he has this contract that proves that the enemies that his dear leader is using to justify his crackdown are actual enemies after all. Sure. Unfortunately, the document is fake and Alex is a sellout for a dictator. He is. This is really. This is really grim. I mean like the. Oh, it's grim. The reality of the stuff that is going on in Portland visa v federal law enforcement is very in line with a lot of the stuff that Alex.

I mean, it's it's insane. But you know what? I was thinking about this and one of the things is like this is this is the part of the where the rubber meets the road where like stuff that Alex talks about is often like not fake. Yeah. I mean, he's lying about everything. Of course. You know, the threat of federal law enforcement being used for law enforcement purposes domestically is real. That's never something that's been a joke. Yeah. He is. He was abusive to the concept of it. It's the same thing that I think about with like his FEMA camp shit is bullshit and that's nonsense. Yeah. But it is based on, you know, a lot of fears that surrounded Rex 84. Sure. Which was a real thing that was a plan to round up leftists. Yeah.

And communists and immigrants and union organizers, things like that. It was like. And it's not like it's that far in the back. You can turn and look at China putting people on trains right now. You know, like as far as as far as the legitimate fear of being put into a camp. Sure. I was talking more domestically. But yeah, that's a fair point. You know, you can see it. Governments do do it. Right. You know. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's the it's the stuff that's like, yes, Alex, you were always yelling about like Jade Helm and all that nonsense. And, you know, you cried wolf too many times and you never really met what you were saying anyway. But now there is the game that you made your career playing,

being done. And you're on the side of the people you always warned about. And that's pretty sad. It's pretty sad. Dan, you either die a hero or live long enough to give up everything that you've ever believed in and only shill pills for a dictator. That's the quote from the Dark Knight, Dan man word for word. We got some interesting pill. It was a really weird. It was a really weird movie. We got some interesting pill news. Of course we do. So, you know, there's maybe about a week or so ago, there was that video that went around of unidentified, you know, not not wearing any identification officers putting people in unmarked cars. Yeah. And democracy. These these reports were corroborated and that led to a much larger conversation right about the the goings on in

Portland. And man, Alex thinks it's fine. There's footage we played a few days ago of them ripping open doors with crowbars going into the federal building parking garage and then having to be thrown out. Yeah, here's some footage right here. These are people breaking into federal buildings, breaking into the federal courthouse so they can try to loot it with a hammer. And then they get upset and the headlines are, oh, secret police are disappearing people. No, you're breaking into a federal building. So, leaving aside that Alex is completely like sort of missing the point and dismissing the larger issues about what's going on in Portland, I want to take a moment to bask in the absurd and pathetic logic that he's using.

There are federal agents acting in law enforcement capacities in the United States City, which is the main thing he's made his career based on screaming about Obama was going to launch Jade Helm, Posse Comitatus, FEMA camps, they're gonna round up all the Christians. That was his primary brand for years. And now we have an absolute clear cut example of federal agents snatching people up in Portland and what's Alex's response? You're breaking into a federal building. Look, look, nobody that I know has ever broken into or harmed a federal building ever. Right, Dan? The people who are being detained by unidentified agents and unmarked cars, they weren't trying to break into a federal building at the time. But let's leave that aside for a moment. They could it

existed. If I'm not much mistaken, Alex is a huge fan of Amon Bundy and the occupation of the Malhoor Wildlife Refuge back in 2016. Obviously a state wildlife refuge, Dan. If the issue with the protesters in Portland is the building they are trying to get into the parking lot of is owned by the federal government, that issue is gonna pop up in the case of the Bundy's too, I'm afraid. Look, no one owns parks, Dan. So it can't possibly be a situation where Alex thinks that the unidentified federal agents have the right to scoop up civilians if they encroach on federally owned things because if that were the principle, then he would bathe differently in other circumstances. No, of course. I mean, as we all know, Alex cheered the federal agents trying to take down

the Bundy's. I remember that clearly. Where things get messy is that Alex isn't covering the actual story in Portland, partially because he doesn't care, and mostly because he sees the optics he knows how to use. So he's using the story the same way he uses every protest story. Find some clips of someone wearing a black mask doing something that looks scary to old people in the suburbs, pretend it exists in a vacuum, use that perception to justify whatever police violence is used on the protesters and move on. This is not a case of out of control leftists just trying to take over a federal courthouse to loot it as Alex is presenting. And if you want a great explanation of what's going on in Portland, like you recommended, I would also

recommend Robert Evans article on Bellingcat, which does a great job of fleshing out how things got to where we are now from the perspective of someone who's been there the whole time. I'm going to be honest, though, if you work for info wars, it is longer than four pages. That is true. I will say that right now. I actually don't know how large a font they use when they print things out because Alex will say it's on page three of the website. That's true. That's true. So as Robert lays out, things in Portland traced back to late May. On the evening of the 29th, the city had their first protest related to the murder of George Floyd. This was happening on what would be about the third night of a group called the Youth Liberation

Movement occupying the steps in front of the Justice Center. And that is where the protests ended up converging that evening. A large group surrounded that building and eventually broke in and trashed it. From Robert, his article, quote, I watched all this happen from feet away. And it's my opinion that the destruction was unplanned yet more or less inevitable. You could feel it in the mood of the crowd. The third precinct in Minneapolis had just burned. There was absolutely no way Portland wasn't going to try to do the same thing. The police showed up and they dispersed the crowd using tons of tear gas. Protest is by definition supposed to be something that's kind of confrontational because that's the way these things work.

As such, things coalesced around the Justice Center as it took on an actual as well as symbolic importance to what was going on. Nightly protests would occur at the Justice Center and they would often result in police tear gassing and shooting pepper balls at protesters, all sorts of issues with a fence. Then on July 11th, U.S. Marshals straight up shot a guy named Donovan LaBella in the head with a rubber bullet for no reason, which people didn't like. This was one of the more egregious examples of this consistent pattern that started to form of police violence that has taken place in Portland and is now being carried out with the involvement of federal agents. Alex's entire career demands that he be on the side of the protesters, but of course he's not.

Ultimately, I have to make peace with the fact that this podcast, we can't do everything that I want to and that this can't be everything. It would be impossible for us to give the best, most accurate coverage of this unfolding and very much still ongoing situation in Portland. So the best thing I can do is say and reiterate two things. The first is to seek out sources of information that offer larger context, preferably people who have been there and know what's going on. The second is that there's absolutely no more explicit and damning example of Alex Jones completely giving up the charade that was his career than his siding with the federal government here. If you're a listener of his show and you accept this mealy mouth, but Antifa made

Trump sent federal troops and actors, police bullshit. You accept to be back up of the fake ass Soros documents. Yeah, you're a sitting duck for whatever Alex pivots to just give it up. You are a fucking leaf in the wind blown along. Yeah, well, you might think you do. I mean, it's got to be painful. Anyway, I just see this as like another one of these. He's like, wow, Alex, you. You don't really you don't realize or maybe you do realize that just like this how big of a deal this is based on your whole career. Yeah, we'll be able to we'll be able to let people know more when fed start disappearing people in Chicago, you know, I mean, in next week. I mean, we'll see. Trump is not and you know, there have been some signs that

might not stay contained to one city. No, I just I still maintain that if if any of our congressmen or people under the age of 50 had had the will to do it if they showed up on the front lines of Portland and made it an international incident that the federal government is disappearing our own politicians now to that would be the way to move forward and they're not doing it. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't I don't know if that I feel like that would move the needle. You would. I wonder if you would hope. You know, that means that there's no that would mean that there's no limit. I don't fucking know anymore. You're you're fair. I also have no fucking clue. So it's but it's tragic to me in the sense that like, you know, I always kind of hope that Alex

have some sort of backbone about you think there would be some line that couldn't be crossed. No, no, no, it's I mean, Alex spent like I mean, a countless scenes and various quote unquote documentaries of his yelling at people in fatigues who happened to just be walking on the street. Yep. You know, like people who do exercises, you know, when they do a training exercise, yep, he'll do a week of content about it when Obama was president. Yeah, yeah, of course, and now it's just it's such a complete betrayal of what he pretends to be about. I mean, even if it was like a if it was a leftist group of proud Second Amendment leftists of which there are plenty that the federal government literally came. I don't I don't think Alex would be a look their

guns away. Alex would still be like see you got to take away guns sometimes. Well, see I think you're right. I think I think he would find a way to rationalize it. And part of the reason I think that is because of how he does talks about it in this next clip. They're asking well, who are these men? A lot of them are federal marshals, but most of them are US military attached to the hostage rescue team. So it's the military and that's why you're getting grabbed and why they're grabbing you off. And then you're getting interrogated because you work for a foreign power. You work with the chai calm globalist literally trying to burn the country down, destroy the stock market and bankrupt the economy. You're a bad person. You're a military operative.

You're an enemy combatant. You're not an American citizen. You said no borders. No wall. No USA at all. You go around bullying people with hammers and guns and weapons and you kill people and you shoot people at four way stops because they don't stop fast enough. Alex I think is losing it a little bit there. But that's how you'd rationalize no matter what. It's all you gotta do. No matter what it's the they're not even American. Right. That's what you have to do. That's what you have to do. Yeah. We are now we have been at a cold war with our own citizenry for so long. Now the feds are just doing what we should be doing. I guess I don't I don't know how you can say these things as someone who's made their like their premise what Alex has and not recognize just the

the the worminess of it. I don't even know another word for that's definitely not the right word. But Trump came out and said that in fact Bush did not do 9 11 and it was exactly as we said it was. And I agree with him. I'm going to be honest 9 11 not an inside job. I'm just going to say it right here. That would not surprise me anymore. I wouldn't. Right. There's nothing. I looked into it read. I looked. Okay. Yeah. And actually I never really thought it was an inside job. We had conversation. Right. We talked about both sides. We talked about both sides in all my movies about it. That's sad. Oh it's real sad. Now I mean like of course what you do is you you label the people enemy combatants and therefore they can be kidnapped and

interrogated by the military. And this is a big deal. I would argue that like. All right. I was 100 percent against and opposed to the occupation of the Malhoor wildlife refuge. Right. If the if the military was coming in and like at night when everyone's sleeping, you start disappearing people and you'd be like that's too far. I would be against bodies. Hey now the shooting of Levoix Finnecombe. I don't like the idea that someone ended up getting shot now granted the circumstances surrounding that are not as you know clear cut as just the police shot somebody. Sure. But I'm against them shooting anybody. Yeah. I would like for that whole situation to have ended without anybody dying. Yeah. But like I think

they're like terrible. I have no time for that bullshit. And still I would say that if they were being treated the same way that the people in Portland are being treated, I would be on the Malhoor side. Totally. I would be opposed to their occupation, but I would be a larger higher order problem. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. They look will deal with your occupation. Yeah, we got to deal with this whole government going crazy. Look, there's a lot of animals, and this is like Native American is an issue. You should not be doing no. I'm with you. This is wrong. But seriously, the government's disappearing people. We got to deal with that first. You'd think that Alex would be capable of that kind of it. It doesn't seem hard thought it's possible to

disagree with the political aims of these people in Portland. If you if you decide to do that, if that's if that's where you are and still recognize that like oh hey, that's my marquee issue. Yeah, I should probably be on the right side of this one. Yeah, you fucking and now Alex is just straight up like they're lucky they're not dead. Great. Those people, those antifa slimes are lucky their necks weren't broken after they've been hitting old people in the head with hammers and crap. Just believe me, the people that arrested you and took you in for questioning to get your paperwork of who you're working for would love to break your communist neck. You cowardly pieces of trash. I'm gonna stop planting right there. All right, let's just

keep saying I'm into the COVID news and I haven't gotten to it yet. Oh, you're so sad. Because it's such big news. Oh God. And it's so over the top. Alex is bringing out the hits. Oh, we're on it's such big news again. Such big news. Oh man, it's such big news. Yeah, I mean like, okay, what he's what he's really talking about is that he believes that these protesters have Soros contracts on them like the fake ones that is in turn found on fortune. Is that part of the contract? You have to always carry the contract with you? Absolutely. Are people like a diplomatic tag or something like before that? Like everybody gets together and they're like, wait, wait, wait. I don't know if Carl was allowed to do that and

he's got to pull out his contract and he's like flipping through it. Like, no, that one's still good guys. All right, wait, wait, it says in the contract. Don't pull out your contract. Yeah, exactly. Oh, no. This is all Donnelly's fault. Don't say that name. Yeah, it's fucked up. It's really, really fucked up. And I mean, I didn't expect more of Alex, but I kind of would have hoped. I mean, maybe just because it would have been a more appealing narrative for me. Yeah, that like he finally wakes up and recognizes like what the fuck sure. And then tries to find some nuance like tries to find some in between land where it's like, all right, I believe in everything that I've supported Trump for this whole time. Right. But

I now recognize that those authoritarian tendencies that I was keenly aware of and I mentioned I was very clear on the facts. Too much. Maybe. It's fucked up. It's also fucked up to think that if Alex would have just resisted this iron song of supporting Trump, like what he could be doing, like how much like he's a liar and everything would have been lies. But the world circumstances are such that he could be giant. He really could. He could have won back over the left. How many fake ass Twitter leftist suddenly became huge for saying dumb bullshit that doesn't mean anything. They became huge. Alex is the king of dumb bullshit that doesn't mean anything. Yeah, man. Alex could have like

legit crushed if you would have just stayed the like. No, I like Rand Paul man. Can you think of him like jumping on with the Russia hoax that made people not. I mean like I get what you're saying. You know, like jumping on with Russia gate piling on with Maddow and everybody being like this is a whole conspiracy. You would have killed it. Oh, what an idiot. I mean, I'm having a tough time responding to you because it's like you got to rebook so much. Oh, I know but from the jump. But I mean just like if you assume that absent Alex, you still would have ended up with Trump behaving the way he's behaving. Yeah. And the world circumstance like Alex supporting Trump didn't cause some sort of a butterfly effect. Yeah, brought on COVID. I did not. No,

that stuff. So if we're living in the exact same world, but with Alex against Trump with his decades of there's a police state coming totally and like God, he would just be probably one of the most famous people in the world. I mean think of all the think of all the people on the left who are like I didn't like it before. But now this guy's right on even though we'd still do our show and reveal that everything he said was live show wouldn't exist. They would love him. This show probably wouldn't exist. Probably would have gotten interested in listening to him because like what the fuck is he doing? Oh man. We're rebooking everything right. What an asshole. Now Alex ruined our lives. What an asshole. But the, the, the, yeah.

What a different world. So stupid. He couldn't even keep away from Wayfair for a day. It's true. How could he deny the sirens? Yeah, that's a good point. It's probably inevitable. Yeah. So we get back to this Twitter thing here and Alex talks a little bit more about it. And I think this is very stupid. This is what we need to see more of. What happened to Twitter is beautiful. I love Bill Gates and Bezos and all these anti-American slugs. They got rich off our system and hated who were in bed with the globalists and the chai comms. I love it. I love your private messages or ours. I love the fact that the media is so stupid that they took the cover story that it's about Bitcoin. At this point I see no evidence to back up any of these claims. Like I see no evidence that this

is a patriot hack against the globalists. I can see no evidence that all these people's messages have been taken. And most relevantly, I find it really hard to believe that people like Bill Gates or Obama would ever use a platform like Twitter for any kind of important communication. They've been sending out contracts through Twitter DMs for a while now. If you imagine that they are in fact involved in some kind of a grand scale conspiracy, there's no chance they'd say anything incriminating over Twitter. That's what someone like Alex would do or Roger with his communications with Cousin for two. Well, you just DM him. The only person who was affected by that hack that I think probably has some fucked up stuff in his DMs is Elon Musk. And Alex is trying to pretend that he

wasn't one of the people who was targeted because he's kind of a good guy in Alex's world. So that ruins the whole story. Topsy turvy nonsense. That dude is addicted to Twitter and acts like a dick on social media. So I would bet he's in real life. Yeah, true. I don't know in real life. I've seen him on Twitter. I bet he's got some embarrassing messages that could be released. Totally. Anyway, this is just Alex writing a story about a world event that's really based on nothing other than his own fantasies about an imaginary war that's going on just past the view of everyone but himself. This is legitimately no different than Kerry Cassidy arguing that fires in California were a cover for aliens coming in through portals to eat people.

They're both claims that take an actual news story and write their own versions of them. More fun versions. Well, in Kerry Cassidy's case, this one, it's very boring. Well, I'm bored by Patriots trying to steal DMs. Come on, man. I don't disagree with you. Now, it's debatable whether that is more boring than a Bitcoin scam. I would say it is who that is debatable. It's a push, probably. It kind of is a push. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, I was kind of hoping we'd get a digital French Revolution where somebody hacked all of Bezos's money. Now, what if the spider leadership were doing the hack? Now that's good stuff. Now we're in a writer's room, buddy. Jordan, get the no problem. All right. We got a movie. So, obviously, this whole

thing with Alex and supporting Trump doing what he's doing, vis-à-vis law enforcement in Portland, it makes sense because what Alex says in this next clip, I mean, really just this is pretty clear. Listen, the federal government's a separation of powers. It's something we set up a long time ago to supposedly guard our freedoms. Of course, it's corrupted out of control. Everything gets that way over time. But we'll use it to defeat the chai comms and the globalists. It's the weapon we have. We can reform it now and later and whatever. But if you think the federal government's your enemy, compared to the chai comms and Hollywood and Big Tech, you're an idiot. We need the federal government to clean out the globalist, clean out the Democrat operatives,

clean out the whole behinds from Comey and Hillary and all them that still think they're going to win. So, I mean, it's, yeah, a federal government is a weapon that we can use against our real enemies, the left Democrats. There you go. Yeah. We did it. Yeah. I mean, he's just, he's just really explicitly saying we are in control of the reins of power. And because of that, we can use that power to crush our political opposition. But if there are other people in power, then the federal government's the enemy. It's the enemy. It's evil. First, they came for the leftists and I was like, fuck yeah, I hate the leftists. And then I was fine because I'm a Nazi and we just became Nazis. Hooray. So, we get to this big COVID news, which isn't really.

It's huge. It's not. No, it's huge. It's not. So, here's some of the headlines. Fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 in Florida, says state official. Got him. As is pretty much always the case. Alex is reporting on bullshit that isn't even relevant by the time he is on air. In this case, a man in Florida who died in a motorcycle crash and had tested positive for COVID-19 had been initially counted as a COVID death. However, upon review, he was taken out of that data pool. One of the reasons for there being a question about a death like this is that there is a cause for review. There is a very slight possibility that even in the case of a motorcycle crash, that COVID-19 could have been a contributing factor to the death. Is it possible that he only

crashed because of a bout of severe coughing? It's probably unlikely, but it's a question that's relevant and people should ask. Anyway, the state of Florida has explicit exclusion criteria in place that has deaths from trauma, murder, suicide, overdose, and vehicle accidents removed from COVID death data. This is basically a non-story that Alex is reporting as huge bombshell COVID news. It is so annoying to me that people have already thought of how this could happen and created a process by which they could revise it. It's, oh, oh, oh, how evil it, how it would a bunch of idiots. They accidentally classified it. No, they purposefully classified it as a COVID death in order to goose the numbers. And then somehow through the process that they

already had in place, they found it and they revised it. So things work. Yep. Yep. Bombshell. Not a bombshell story. We got more headlines about COVID. Alex just reads these headlines and then a couple of them, like it does a little dance about for a bit, but there's no real analysis. Virus pandemic, drastic measures as death toll sets record AP. And they look at counties that had had no deaths before and have a few now that they're doing testing and they go, oh, it's a spike in that area. That's how they manipulate the statistics, even though deaths are way down. So you can kind of see how the goalposts are being moved in order to help maintain the, the big deal kind of position. The thing Alex is hiding behind is that in the initial wave of

cases and deaths, the largest city in the United States was the epicenter. New York City has a massive population and the population density is such that transmission was out of control. These factors created a perfect storm where there were a large number of deaths in a single area. As time has gone on and New York has largely gotten the virus in check, the death numbers have dropped drastically in the northeast of the country. This drop is enough to have masked these surges and deaths that have been seen in the south and in states like Arizona and California and around in the, the Southwest. These areas are going up pretty seriously, but often in areas that are not of similar populations to New York. And naturally the gross number of deaths are going

to be lower for the country, even though they're higher in these regions. You do need to pay attention to stuff like that. If you would think, obviously I have no idea what's going to happen, but it's a bit troubling to hear Alex Pivot from, there are no deaths increasing to, there are some deaths increasing, but they're in small areas. It seems like a guy who's just trying to explain away deaths that are inconvenient. They don't need to worry about it. They're not from here. So we've heard that Trump has taken the reporting away from the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control. Oh yeah, no, no, no, that's a smart idea that we should allow him to do. Alex is into it. Disappearance of COVID-19 data from CDC website spurs outcry. Well, the CDC's run by Fauci has been proven to be a total lie

and a total fraud and is designed to keep us closed. Good, Trump runs the federal government, cut him off. Firstly, Fauci does not run the CDC. Second, they're not proven to be frauds and they're also not trying to keep the country closed. Beyond that, I'm a little bit torn about this move on the Trump administration's part to make the reporting taken away from the CDC and then house it within the Department of Health and Human Services. On the one hand, if the reporting is being done appropriately and professionally, then it seems like the HHS is a relevant department for that to run through. And ultimately, the CDC is part of the HHS. You know, if in fact that this is, you know, just an instance of rolling out a new possibly updated system, then it might not be a totally

negative thing. Sure. That said, I don't really trust anything that I just said to be accurate. There you go. I don't trust that the Trump administration is going to make moves to provide better data about a politically inconvenient outbreak. And honestly, I don't think that I would trust them to make this kind of move, even if it weren't in the middle of a pandemic. The timing is weird, to say the least, and it seems like a pretty shady move. At very least, it's a bad decision because of the timing. We're in the middle of a public health situation and making changes to how things are reported is going to inevitably lead to some hiccups. Anytime you migrate systems, there are some things you end up learning by

experience, making mistakes. Those mistakes could be very detrimental in the current landscape, and we may not be able to afford to make them. Honestly, it could be hugely consequential. No. And that's why the National Governors Association wrote Trump a letter asking that he delay the shift in the system and to make all of the information public. The chair said, quote, sudden changes impose undue burdens on state health departments and hospital systems, which are already working at full capacity. This wasn't some leftist, globalist nonsense. This was quote, on behalf of the governors in all 55 states and territories. Anyway, what Alex is doing here is cheering for a cover up. Yeah, whether or not like, I mean,

I can't say how things are going to go. And if there was the possibility of a smooth transition and appropriate data keeping, I don't know necessarily if it's the most monstrous thing. I think it's doing it now can only lead to unforeseen troubles. Yeah. I mean, we're at the point where they've lost any benefit of the doubt. So don't care. Don't care what their motivations are, whether or not they can even do a good job. You've lost the benefit of the doubt until you prove it. And we're at the point now where unfortunately, it's going to come down to people to have to actually be like, we won't do this. You can say we're transferring it to the HHS or the White House or whatever, but the CDC is going to keep the data and put it up yet. Like

that's where we're at. You have to say no to the president of the United States. Also Alex should be on the side of all of the state governor. I don't know. You don't understand. They're all leftists. They're all leftists. They're all in Antifa. They're all globalists. They've all signed to the contracts. They're all deep state Dan. They're all believers in Satan. They're all doing all this 2026 or Republicans. Yeah. Well, those are the leftist Republicans sure in Antifa. So anyway, like when he's covering this, these, these bits of news, it's just reading headlines. There's no deeper coverage of it at all. The housing crisis of 2020. Millions of Americans miss their first rent payments and tens of millions could be evicted. California churches have been shut down

in the NFL season may be in jeopardy. That is just some of what we're going to be covering here today. Ladies and gentlemen, info wars.com news wars.com. Please don't forget we have the Christmas in July sale. Right now we have the Christmas in July sale. So what's the like? What's his take on either of those stories? Dan, I think personally a good bell weather for whether or not I'm doing a good job is can I be replaced by a news ticker at the bottom of a CNN? Does the news ticker yell? Oh, because then yet. What if it was in all caps? Then we're good. Then I'm gone. You're right. Fair enough. I'm going to just pull an audible and skip the next like three clicks. Alex interviews this woman. I can't remember her name. I apologize. I didn't

write it down. She's made a documentary about incels and also does not approve of the use of that term. Apparently it's sort of a pejorative that the media throws around. She has a lot more nuanced of a take on on the whole situation. Interesting. I'm not sure I ever want to watch her documentary. I'm not sure I think that she's a great thinker based on the fact that she's on Info Wars and she seems to be into Alex lost the benefit of the doubt. Yes, but the interview is kind of pointless and a lot of it ends up just being Alex talking over her and kind of she's a woman. Fair enough. Yeah, it's not really all that interesting. I cut clips of it on the thought that, you know, hey, maybe something will happen. And I look at these clips and I'm like,

nothing happens in that interview. I come while we were like recording for the last like 40 minutes. I forgot it was coming up. See, that's an issue. Yeah, I think we're fine. Anyway, that interview doesn't go well. And Alex gets back to talking about his his business. And it turns out he's mad that Trump's visit niece is writing a book. Yeah, yeah, yeah, book Mary. Oh, we found out so much that we had no idea would be true. Yeah. So he thinks it's like totally normal for families to have a non disclosure agreement. Sure. And we've got a lot of other news we're going to be hitting as well. But I wanted to play the niece of the president who already got paid out a bunch of money and signed a contract in her family. So if she got those millions of dollars, that's a contract.

Every family's got these deadbeats in them. And now she comes out and she says Donald Trump says the n word all the time. Folks, I checked into Donald Trump. I know people that have stayed at his house 1015 times. I know people that don't like Donald Trump has never said anything racist about black people or Trump. And my God, his son in law is an orthodox Jew. Sure. Why did you jump into Jewish look he's never said anything racist about black people, his son's a Jew. Why did that? I don't understand that hinge, but whatever he pivoted strangely. I would say that you don't need to sign a contract that you agree to not make things up about people. Usually that now that's called a

non disparagement. I believe no something along those lines non disclosure non non disparagement still isn't making things up about people. You can still like. Oh yeah, that's just regular old libel. Yeah, don't talk bad about your time working for this company or whatever like my time working for coupon cabin, which was wonderful, which was shit. Oh, I got them to that's what you didn't sign the sign. But you still couldn't make things up about. No, I would never make things. You didn't make up. I wouldn't need to you. You couldn't make up like materially false things because you could still end up getting in trouble. Totally. Totally. You can't make someone sign a contract for what Alex is describing. Yeah. Or anyway, no one would know. But look, man, Trump's

never said anything racist. See now that's so stupid. That's so stupid. That's so incredibly stupid. No, no, no, no. You don't know because you could just say look, look, you could say easily that what's true for every white person, which is you. There's been some racism because we're wearing grained it in the fucking culture and we've gotten past it and we've grown beyond it. Better people Jordan. You don't know. No one's a saint, especially not the guy who's being racist as we speak. You do not understand. Oh, okay. That is a matter of lack of control. And Trump is so in control. That sounds crazy. Have you heard, have you heard the president use the N word? Yeah. Yeah. And anti-Semitic slurs specifically. Yes. Yeah, of course.

Donald Trump is all about being in control. Trump doesn't say something in his sleep. He doesn't want to say this is crap, ladies and gentlemen. So this is pretty funny to me. And I could have gone and found a compilation of Trump saying completely nonsensical things to rebut this, but I felt that would have been low hanging fruit. And I can do better than that. Yeah. We expect more from you, Dan, because I've been listening to Alex for a long time. I remember how back in January 2017, just before Trump's inauguration, Alex got trolled by a guy on Twitter into thinking that tapes of Trump saying the N word on the apprentice were about to get released. This guy pretended to be an NBC employee and just randomly sent Paul Joseph Watson a DM

saying this stuff. And without doing any checking into the story, Paul wrote up an article about it. And then Alex filmed an emergency damage control report that went something like this. We are now about three and a half days out from this historic event taking place. And Paul Watson wrote a big story yesterday concerning a NBC source. And it looks credible. I'm not saying the report's credible. I'm saying that the source, it looks like he is at NBC. It's random. A few sources. I'll just leave it at that. Quite a few. They're saying that there is a tape compilation going back over the 14 seasons or whatever of the apprentice with him sitting in the chair saying things like his son's retarded and

making dirty jokes and supposedly the N word. The thing about Trump, whether this is true or not, is the top people that have known him for a long time, is he does like to basically tell dirty jokes, anything that a comedian would do. And he doesn't even do it that often, but almost like a stress reliever or a way to break the ice. He will sit there and a lot of times actually deprecate himself as well. So I mean like a slightly different take. Well, he's never said anything out of control in his entire life seems like he likes to sit down have like a ribald humor. Also, is that is that a defensive Trump? What she's she's like? Yeah, I've heard him say the N word. Yeah, I've heard him say Rachel Slurs and Alex is like

he's never said anything that he didn't mean to say. No, he's he's saying that she's lying. I know, but at the same time, well, I mean, that would sort of raise the question of if Trump is in such great control of himself. How do you explain all the nonsense? I mean, that that opens up a can of worms that I don't think we have time to unpack right now. No, it's very big. Yes, or it's actually very small. He's an idiot. Fair enough. So Alex has another guest and by that I mean he has two guests and they're twins. All right, did Diamond itself become secret times? No, these are a couple of dudes. They go by the name the Hodge twins. All right, John Hodgman and Don Hodgman. I wish it was fucking John Hodgman. That would be amazing.

That would be amazing. No, it's these two guys. I believe they became I think they were comedians. Didn't work out trying to be the next Slar brothers and it didn't go well. Right. And then do some like comedic videos on YouTube, maybe some fitness stuff because they're very, very in shape. Yes. And now have found themselves in the position of black conservative Trump voices on social media. Oh, how do you just find yourself there so wild? Yeah, it's it's they're not good at this. It's really annoying. The listening to this interview was tough for a couple of reasons. One, because I mean just elementary things that they have wrong just make it so like okay. I don't really respect the position that you're coming from right because you're clear. You're

just like there's base level deceptions you're trying to pull off and that means like I don't I don't care. You're not serious about what you're doing. And then the second one is because it's so transparent how much Alex is using them. Yeah, he doesn't even know their names. Why would he he calls them like twins? Yeah, great. He doesn't know what their first name man, which is weird. If you're having people on as guests, you think you would maybe take the time to know what their names are. No, it's just two guys who look the same twins. They said that Trump said the n words. So I need to have black people on. I don't care who they are. So when I when I say anything like they just get elementary things wrong, this is kind of just about where I was like, okay,

I don't care. Like it was really early in the interview. And like you say things like this and just like, all right, you've you end up in a box. And that box is someone who's running a con. Like he was just on CBS News getting interviewed by a reporter. Yeah, she asked a question that was based on a false assumption. Why is black people still being killed in America? That's because she doesn't want the truth. She has an agenda. Yeah, that people all races are done at the hands of police officers and Trump made a very statistical, a great fact, a statistical fact, based on math, based on science. He said more white people being shot and killed by cops than blacks. Yeah, but see that's they don't want the public to know that.

Yeah, because if the public knows that their narrative that they're pushing that black people have been hunted down in America, it falls apart. Yeah, right off the bat, police killing people is bad, regardless of the race of the victim. I'm not sure that it's a good argument for people to say the protests about police killing black people are bad because police actually kill more white people. So we shouldn't be protesting, Dan. That seems dumb. I don't really understand the logic and how that tracks, but whatever. I mean, if that's if that's a minor issue that I have. All right. The larger issue is the interview that the Honch twins are talking about here included Trump using a very explicit dog whistle to racists. The interviewer asked, quote, why are

African Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement, to which Trump replied, quote, and so are white people. What a terrible question to ask. So are white people, more white people, by the way, more white people. It is true that more total white people are killed by police each year than black Americans, but that is a meaningless statistic in the context that's being used because they're not an equal number of white and black people in the country. Oh, wait. So are you going to use math or science to make a great fact? Studies have been done on the differential between the rates and they've consistently shown that black people in America are considerably more likely to be killed by police when the statistics have been adjusted

to compensate for population differences. According to the Guardian, black people are more than twice as likely to be killed by police than white people in America. Quote, in 2016, black men aged 15 to 34 were nine times more likely than other Americans to be killed by law enforcement officers. And they were killed at four times the rate of young white men. This talking point that more white people are killed by police than black people is a standard canard that's pulled out by racist folks to try and minimize or invalidate the folks who protest police violence. And it's a really dumb thing for two reasons. The first is that using this stat in that way only reveals that you don't really understand the topic you're talking about

or that you have possibly an underlying racist perspective that you're looking to camouflage. The second is that the natural conclusion of this logic doesn't arrive anywhere good. Is the point supposed to be that police killings are actually okay? Is the message that they're trying to push is that black people should calm down because more white people are killed? Is the problem that folks are complaining about police murders? Or is the problem that people like Alex have is that the movements don't focus on the right victims? The logic of this argument doesn't go anywhere. You have to ask yourself what the actual goal of using messaging like this is. And if you do, I don't think you come up with anything good. At best, this is a defense of

police murders. At worst, it's a blatantly racist desire for all social movements to center white experience. And actually, I don't know if that's at best and at worst, I'm not sure. But the point is, I don't think there is. I don't know where this logic or this reasoning goes that isn't let police murder you. Yeah, that's what it is. It's not good. Yeah. Yeah. Why are you complaining? Right. Why are you come up and it's never followed up with like white people should be in the streets, protesting because we're getting killed. So they've they kill so many white people. Like if Trump was like, doesn't that seem like it should be the second thing that said it's the only thing that said it should. It should. I do everything else is because shut up and let police

murder you because if you don't if your next statement or sentence isn't and that is why we must also vociferously support this movement and engage and be a part of it. Yep. If it's not, then you're only bringing this up in order to minimize and invalidate the experiences of the people who are protesting, which seems to be saying something along the lines of it's cool. It's cool for police to kill people. And I'm against that best interpretation of somebody saying that aside from them being like, and that's why we should abolish the fucking police. The best possible interpretation is white people. More white people are getting killed and you don't see them causing problems. Like that's the that's the most innocent way. I think you can look at that.

But again, that's still making the argument that it's okay to kill people to please to kill. Exactly. It's not. I've sat down and I thought about this and I've tried to figure out like what is the messaging that isn't going down one of those roads. And I bet that there's something I haven't considered, but I'm having a very difficult time trying to figure out how that statistic is relevant to this conversation in a way that leads somewhere valuable to discuss. It can't be seen as anything other than an insecure response to somebody pointing out that one, it's not about you. And two, it is a fundamental aspect of our policing system that it is fine to hunt young black men. And if you if you absorb that one piece of information,

then you have to change every viewpoint you have on policing. So your insecure response to that is just like more black people or more white people are killed. So you know, it's not that big a deal. Yeah, possibly that might be what what the what's going on. Now, like I said, I do not care for people who present their their positions this flimsily. Like if this is what you're bringing to the table that Trump's interview was actually good because you made a great point that more white people are killed by police than black people and you think that that means something and thinks that you think that that's a relevant statistic in this circumstance that leads me to believe that this is not like you're not a voice that's worth taking seriously and it gets worse

because they're aware the Hodge twins are aware that there is a higher rate of black people killed they are aware of that right, but they take issue with something completely irrelevant in the study that found this. All right. They're trying to say black people being killed at a higher rate than black folks. Yeah, but the study takes in the takes in the white folks. I mean, I mean, see that that survey is saying white black people getting killed at a higher rate. Yeah, that study they take into account the entire population. Okay, if you want to figure out what's going on if black people are being killed at a higher rate, you need to take into account only police interactions. Who cares about the lady that's sitting in the old folks home or my wife who's

never been stopped by the cops. Yeah, you need to look at police interactions and then you'll be able to determine if black people are being killed at a higher rate. But even then, was the black people walking down the street just flying a kite sucking on a lollipop or they put this in a dangerous position putting the cops life at risk. Your eyebrow was way up during that. These complaints with the study that that shows that you know police kill black people at higher rates than white people. These complaints are completely meaningless and they really only reveal that the hodge twins have absolutely no idea how statistical analysis works. I'm not even going to waste my time discussing this but I feel like it's worth our time to really see the level of

argumentation that's going on like that's just like if you're compliant with the study is that they take into consideration the whole population. First of all, okay. And then second, have you tried to look for a study that only involves police interactions? I mean also just have you tried to because it just intuitively are you telling me that you have existed in American society for this long and you think that black people don't have a higher rate of police interactions as well? There's an interesting thing to this and that is like it does seem to me like if they had looked into it they could find a study about police interactions. You have to look into it though Dan. Right but if they like the fact that they're not bringing up a study that shows

that there is actually no difference in police interactions that leads me to believe that they either haven't looked into that or they have and they found like oh that doesn't work for us either. Look and look if they were saying okay here's how it went. They say that there's higher rates but there was a different group like let's say all of the elderly and the entire population was used for the white set and then only you know I don't know 15 to 25 year old males for the black set. If you were bringing up that kind of a problem with the the relative sample groups, huge issue. Right it would be huge issue but if it's both using entire populations well come on guys. And not only that but it's it's to the point you know where if you

you just hear it in their voices. Okay so you need to have a study that talks about police interactions. Alright here's my study that talks about police interactions. Well well no no no that's not the right study. No there's always going to be a you should have had the this is the question that and your argument is even borne out by the clip because at the end they show their cards where they're basically arguing that the people who get killed by the police deserved it. Great you know they're not just walking around with a lollipop. Yeah yeah yeah. This is purely pro-state violence based propaganda largely motivated by opposition to non-white social movements. That's the like so yeah 100% what you're saying. What are they Terry Cruz over here

come on now. You could bring out the study that shows like okay here's just police interactions and then they're like well were they walking around with lollipops. Well here's the number of unarmed and unaffected and stopping frisk and all of those. They've already put out the next talking point that precludes you from even going down that road because you know okay well they're just going to assume that these people deserve to be shot by the cops and then okay we've reached an impasse. I 100% disagree with you and that seems to be the hill that you're you're willing to live on and I'm not. So and another thing is it seems like they have a lot of another reason why I'm not particularly interested in their their contribution is because you can see that they

have a lot of Alex Jonesy narratives. They that woman who was killed in Indianapolis that we've talked about and that Alex has been using as a race baby kind of topic it seems like they have an angle on the story that's exactly the same as Alex that doesn't it mysteriously doesn't match up with reality in similar ways. This information that they're giving to black people they're actually creating racist black people. I've never in my life seen so many white people getting attacked by black people just for the simple fact that they're white. I mean I don't see this happening to black people in this country. Yeah I've seen a white lady at a protest say all lives matter and a black person shoots and kills her. She had a six year old I mean not six year old six

month old infant and they didn't say that was a hate crime. I mean what country are we living in? Who wasn't at a protest and her kid wasn't six months old but this I mean it's the same thing man it's just it's just say all lives matter and let's move on you know like that's what they're I know look if black Hans and Frans want to show up and tell me that it's okay for cops to murder people fine they're in great you're done. So then again I want to we're going to pump you up with bullets from cops. I want to play this clip because it does also demonstrate something that I said Alex clearly doesn't know their names and I don't want that to just be my assertion. Yeah here is it happening on the show. You were starting to get into it. One of the twins there. All you guys

just go about twins but we should have you on there. You should go by your full name sometime people know who you guys are but what about this. We'll let you go by your full name sometime. What do you expect to happen next if the Democrats got in? Oh man no telling. That is deeply that is deeply uncomfortable. Oh boy one of the twins I just call you the twins someday you're going to have a name. Someday you're going to have a name promise. So one last clip of the twins hodge twins and here is another reason why I just don't take this stuff seriously. I just I can't take people in this lane of media seriously. It's because they have just completely bad faith arguments that they make. If you look if you look at constituents on the right and constituents on

the left it's like night and day. On the right they use their minds and they can actually debate their views. On the left they're like no this is a trick. You're trying to trick me. Yeah you would never see AOC. You never see her debate anybody. Yeah you have debate herself. This is ridiculous. Like there's this right wing online conception of debating which is just two people yelling at each other in a YouTube video in an unstructured way that they just fetishize this. I've watched tons of supposed debates online and most of it is complete nonsense. A lot of it is just big it's trolling and the rest is people thinking they're blowing people's minds with philosophy 101 topics they read a Wikipedia page about. That's not meaningful but the online conservatives really

think that there's it's like some kind of important part of their culture where they do these online blood sport kind of arguments. I mean they can't stupid. They can't you know the the hard right isn't isn't really into physical violence as you know the intellectual wing of the hard right isn't into physical violence. So they have to get their jowlies off somehow. It's it makes them feel powerful. I won this argument. I won this fight. I want it. I regret a lot of the time that I've spent passively just like listening to that bullshit. Yeah but like it is this weird online world of people who think that they're really it's really it's you know it's meaningful and I regret to say that there is a kernel of it that is probably meaningful if only on the level

of how many people are watching those things. You know like there are large audiences and people can be swayed by really slick sort of rhetoric that goes on but like honestly it's it's stuff that wouldn't fly in a classroom. Yeah like college should be free because right now YouTube is taking the place and it's not doing a good job. No when the hodge twins say that AOC won't debate what they're saying is that she knows better than to engage with someone like Ben Shapiro who's desperately begged her to debate him. He even said that debate me debate me on any of the ideas. $10,000. Oh god. Everyone got mad that she didn't want to debate him. Say you want to have a charity wrestling match. It's the same fucking

bullshit. She knows that's not going to be a debate in any sense of the word and it's not worth her time. She's a fucking Congress person. Like am I going to fucking hang out dumb as Ben Shapiro and let him yell nonsense at me really fast and then act like he made a point. Yeah and let's be real. All right. The people who have taken these assholes up on this offer do not get paid. That money doesn't get paid out Dan. There's always a reason not to pay that money out. I can't say for sure. Stone stole claimants computers. They don't pay that $10,000 bounty. Fair enough. I'll tell you that right now. Oh, so also I just want to point this out. Alexander Ocasio-Cortez just won a primary for her seat in Congress that involved debates. Well,

she took part in. Yeah. That along kind of torpedoes the whole AOC can't debate any one point. She also appeared in debates back in 2018 when she was running for her seat against Joe Crowley. And honestly, she should be way too busy being in government to respond to dumb dumb conservatives who want to clout chase by trying to bait her into a debate. This would be like me challenging Rand Paul to a debate and then being pissed off that he wouldn't agree to it. I will challenge Rand Paul to a debate right now, Dan Howard Howard. This is the problem with the Conservatives, Dan. They don't have this tool. They're a bunch of cowards. They're too afraid to their ideas to test. They're too afraid of me and the guy who yells on a podcast.

Although Rand would be doing more with his governing power if he were to debate me than anything he's doing now. It's nonsense. And when they're these these folks who come in who clearly have their own cottage industry that I'm unaware of like I don't know who these guys are outside of their appearance on Alex's show, but there's little things that you can use to tell like okay, this is not a sincere actor. Yeah. The first is the the use of argumentation like thinking that that statistic about whites people being killed more by cops is great in that great fact. That is a dead ringer for this is not good. This is starting off poorly. Second, the engaging with a study in the way that they did, which is just the flimsiest critique of the

study. Yeah, that is like, okay, I got problems with your problems with the study. I didn't like their use of aerial fonts, Dan. The implication that at the bottom of this argument, well, we're eventually going to get to the point where you're going to say the people just deserve to be shot by the police sooner or later. That gives me no faith that we're going to be able to get anywhere. Were we ever to have a debate? Third or fourth, I'm not sure at this point, the repetition of Alexi narratives. That means that the areas you're getting information from are probably not great. Yeah. And then the sort of dumb AOC won't debate kind of thing, which is just a hallmark of these trolly stupid worlds online that are just not serious. And

you have all of these things that are just indicative in an interview of like con artist. This is just someone who's running their own scam. Yep. And I just don't care for it. And I guess this is maybe a little bit longer of a. They are in great shape, aren't they? Definitely. Okay, good. Well, they got that to hang their hats on. Yeah. So Nick Begich, the guy who wrote that book, Angels Don't Play This Heart. Oh, Angels Don't Play That Heart. He's hosting the fourth hour. Unfortunately, we get bad news. All right. Here's the deal. Dr. Nick Begich is awesome. He always loves you the fourth hour. He's under the weather today. Just let us know. And so I'm in those fourth hour. My son Rex Jones, who is almost 18 and he's up here working

with us. He went out and shot some of this crazy, crazy new world order stuff here in Austin with the Black Lives Matter. That's almost all white people. You're going to see the video. So Rex is going to come on for the fourth hour with Alex and I mean so only black people can think Black Lives Matter. I don't I don't want to unpack that. I don't want to deal with that either. Rex is coming in to, you know, talk about this video that he's made and he has a new website about I don't know whatever who cares. I'm not going to talk too much about him because honestly, the stuff that he has to say is just repeating info war stuff. Yeah, and you know it's it's it's a bummer to see, but I want to get a pat on the head. Does he get some like fatherly affection

out of this debatable? Oh no. Now here's what I want to say. What I would rather focus on is Alex's behavior. So we'll focus on that. Okay. And then at the end of this, I'll let you decide whether you got to cut my head or not. Okay. So before Rex comes in, though, Alex, if you recall, he had a toothpaste that his dad had created that he couldn't sell. And now apparently he can. Right. Now this is really interesting. Listen very closely, Mike down for this because Alex explains how this product line came to be. And I think it's his exit. A lot of other stuff's going on. I haven't had time to get into it. There's not time to properly announce all this here. So I don't know if I should. I have all these products here in front of me because they're new products.

And my dad about a year ago said, how can I help with all the attacks for under everything else? And I said, dad, you know, with the deep platform and everything, I just feel like I should probably move info wars to shut it down a few years. I should just work for somebody else and just let people have their own operation and everything so that I could just go forward. And he said, well, let's get that started. Well, a couple months ago, the products came in. And so they're really good products. We've tested them. We love them. They're amazing. And I haven't had time to get into them yet. But Dr. Jones naturals.com. So now I try to understand what words mean when they're put in sentences because that's

how humans communicate. That's a fool's game, Dan. And if you listen to debate me, if you listen to the implication of the way Alex is stringing these thoughts together. Yeah. A year ago, his dad came to him and said, how can I help you seem to be under attack? All this stuff. Exactly. I'm the head of HR for your your yeasty company and whatever. I'm following along. So Alex's dad asks him that and Alex is like, let's be real. I should probably quit. Yes, there are. We're under a lot of attacks, right? All this stuff is coming down and getting sued all over the place. I need to probably just step down and let people have their own operation. Let let the see if Owen shroyer can fly. Hey, let him let him shoot to the moon.

You got to take those training wheels off. Absolutely. So Alex's dad says, let's get that started. Yes. And then now these products are the coming of fruit to fruition of getting started. Right. He planned to get Alex out of info rights, which now if I'm to understand what that means. Yeah. Here's what I think that means. I don't know if Alex is saying this because he says words that don't mean anything all the time. Yeah, that's an issue. But based on the way that Alex has, you know, definitely in the last six months, been talking about quitting a whole lot more talking about running to the woods. I wouldn't be too surprised if what was going on here is Alex's dad is launching a supplement line for Alex to sell that can shield assets.

There you go. This Alex is getting sued by all of these people who's going to go like out of business right if things continue down the road that they're going on. Sure. So as an insurance policy, hide assets under his dad's name with a business that is Alex isn't technically connected to at all. Okay. But he's getting all the profits from. All right. So what you're saying to me is that if I were say a limited liability company and somebody were suing info wars, the limited liability company, they would be able to take all that money conceivably. But if I had a different LLC, you didn't. If I, well, I don't have a different right. I mean, I'm your dad as my dad as a different LLC and let's say I was like I need to take care of you dad. So I'm going to order

all kinds of products from you up front a large amount of money, a massive amount of money directly to you up front. And when people order that product, well, I mean, you can keep it on your shelves. I don't know. I mean, like obviously what you're suggesting is what this smells like. But it's hard to say exactly. I really don't know. But Alex is going out of his way to like first of all the way he set that up is fucked up. There's no need. Yeah. No, that's fucked. There's no need for that. You could just say we got these great products. You don't need to say a year ago I was talking with my dad and I said I want to quit it for wars and he said let's start doing that and then now we have products to sell you. You don't need to say stuff like that because it's

fucking confusing as hell. It makes it sound like this is your fucking parachute. Yeah, that's not good. Now it even gets it weirder because Alex has to be very specific that this is not his company, although they are selling products that are weirdly similar to all the products that he sells. They're very similar. We have any of the products at info or store.com and I don't want to undermine any of our products because they're all really, really good. But we have soarless. We have rocket rest. We have Primal youth. We have Cabochill. They have Cabochill extra strength. Oh, I want top brain. Top brain. Top brain. Go home. Products that are there on the new site. Quit your job. The ingredients in these are super strong high quality and low price.

These are designed to be very, very affordable and this is not my company, but it's my dad. So, you know, we're under a lot of attack. A lot of people trying to shut us down, but you cut a starfish. Yeah, but just grows more starship fish. So, I mean, look, here's the thing like the what we're talking about this idea that this this is kind of how you might structure something if you're trying to funnel resources somewhere. It does seem like that's a possibility. I have no idea because could not be because ultimately the other possibility that seems equally likely is that Alex recognizes that his name is shit. In terms of brand, yeah, like so you just launch all of these other products that are

basically all the same things with different but kind of close names and then maybe, you know, it's like what's that fucking season seen in the wire where Stringer is explained. Oh, yeah, yeah, change the name of the weapons of mass destruction. Now you've got new name on the streets and seems like that's another possibility. Alex just recognizes that like, okay, yeah, the people who buy my shit will buy turbo force and they'll buy a super male vitality. They don't have any stigma attached to my products, but everybody else does. So we try and trojan horse this thing with Dr. Jones naturals and then maybe it'll work. That is a possibility to I don't know either of these are equally possible, but it's

fucking weird that he keeps couching it these ways. I'm telling you right now. I'm telling you right now. I thought it was going to work, but I just checked their website and he did use a giant picture of short round on the website, which I guess he didn't know was a racist character. But Dr. Jones naturals is not what you think it I tried to find a business filing in the Secretary of States filings and the the Travis County. I couldn't find it, but that doesn't mean it's not there. I don't know exactly, but I'm probably incorporated in Delaware. Maybe I'm going to keep looking and I'll keep you up to date on that, but I don't know what the deal is here. I it's it's weird. The move is weird and especially because like

I said, these products are the same things basically that he already sells like he has rocket rest or whatever. Wow. He had knockout. Knockout was the sleep aid that he sold before. Well, now he has top brain, Dan, and that's a completely different thing from brain force. Right. What kind of idiot would get those two mixed up? Very top brain. My son Rex is coming in here. This wasn't planned. Actually, he's wants to go on. He doesn't really have trouble sleeping, but he kind of wakes up a few hours after he goes to bed. He always has. I'd be like down the kitchen at midnight getting a glass of oranges. He'd be wandering around his underwear, at least to live with me. You know, he's he's moved out now. He's a big boy and that's a that's a

weird. He would don't say knockout sometimes and it affects everybody differently. And he said, yeah, knockouts great. Well, he said rocket rest. His words were two days ago is too strong. And I said, take it again and tell me he slept 12 hours on this. And he said the name is perfect. He said I was just had so much energy when I woke up. So rocket rest is available right now, ladies and gentlemen. Why are you trying to sell this product by comparing it to your other product? Doesn't this just cannibalize the market? So weird. I don't understand why you would behave this way. Like maybe maybe his maybe his his supplier won't work with him anymore, but he'll work with Alex's dad. Yeah, maybe. I mean you can launder it as though it's Alex's

dad. I don't fucking I don't think so because then you would discontinue all of those other products. I mean we may see that in the future. That may end up happening down the road. That sounds like it would be the most likely thing to happen. Now it's just weird. This is a strange thing. Yeah, I wish I had more like of a like a concrete answer on this, but I just well. I mean we can at least be sure that he knows that it's a strange thing because that's how he's advertising because he's acting weird acting weird as shit. He's acting cagey as fuck. I think he knows on some level. This requires an explanation. Yeah, and he's not being forthright. Let me start at the beginning. Okay, so about a year ago. I was like everybody's trying to steal all my money

and I'm so sad right and my dad was like I will bail you out for the three millionth time. Fine anyways yada yada yada. I'm willing to destroy both of my businesses in order to hide money for my dad. There was a there was another way to tell that story that isn't as weird. I mean you maybe like this. We got some new products. That's one way if you want to if you want to go back to a year ago. You could have the conversation with your dad and you're like hey dad. I'm having trouble. All of these people are trying to attack you know. I feel like I want to quit and then my dad said son it's too important that you don't quit. You got to keep you will make this work however we need to exactly. That seems like a way you could rationalize these other

products and Alex is that he could be like we're trying to diversify the revenue stream. Sure. There's ways to present this that don't sound like I was gonna quit. This is my dad's way of helping me quit. That's what you would hear. That's exactly what he said. Yes. Those are the words that he said in the configuration that they are placed in. If words make sentences then that's what he said. We have to start at do words mean we have to really assess first precepts. So Rex comes in. All right now. Mike down for this because Alex is explaining that Trump likes adult women. He doesn't like that Epstein stuff and Rex is there with Rex. Rex is there. Cool. And love it. Rex tries to interject a little bit and Alex responds like a

parent. You know the media try to connect him to Epstein even though Epstein tried to be a member of his club. He kicked him out. I made a lot of checks before I backed Trump. I know what Trump likes. I know people that let's just say took care of Trump's women and Trump has the same taste I have in women. Five hundred six hundred horsepower. He's not intimidated by third red women. It's these pedos that want 12 year old girls. That's not Trump. Trump doesn't want 12 year old girls. Folks he wants. Well look at his wife Malania. That's what Trump wants. Trump wants what we would call premium beef. Stop. Stop being like that Rex. The point is he likes full grown women. That's in that to me should never be on a show. Every single part of that was awful. You know I

wish that I had tried. I wish I had told I hadn't told you that Rex was there. Yeah. Because you could see Alex saying these things. Yeah. And then the added dimension of his son being sitting right there and then he comes in be like that. Well he's like hey but everything Alex was saying would lead you to believe that this is what you should. That's what you're supposed to say. Trump likes premium beef baby. Yeah. I'm going to one you're off to a great start objectifying women. You're doing a great job. Yeah. Telling us something that we literally already know he paid people to fuck them. So there we go on that and three I also love denigrating women by comparing them to me. The scolding is strange. Don't be. I wish you would. I wish you what he should have

said is it be better than me. Oh that would be that would have been great. Well that is don't be like that. Be better than your old man. That is kind of the implication. Kind of feel like that because they start talking about the governor of South Dakota who was talking about how they didn't close things down and they were able to make things work and Alex cannot stop sexualizing her. I think the people of South Dakota stepped up. They did the right thing and they trusted me. I trusted them and they made the right decision. Dad. His son is sitting next to him while he's grunting. Yes. Mommy at a picture or a video of the governor of South Dakota. Yeah. This is weird. That's inappropriate. That's weird. Yeah. That's inappropriate. That's bad. That's bad parenting.

It is a family show. It is a family show. And I like her whiskey eyes. Yeah. And he just keeps going. You were at a professional bull riding event. It was the first major indoor sporting event with fans since March. How important was it? I was a horse. I mean what the fuck is going on. What the fuck was that Jesus locker room talk on air with my son. Wow. Wow. Yeah. There is just like I said I don't want to talk about like Rex being you know on air and talking about like all these dumb liberals and stuff. Just repeating everything that his dad has. Give me a pat on the head please. I mean you can kind of understand how any like horrible thing could be like the product of trying to seek the attention of your father. And at a certain point that excuse definitely

falls apart. It falls away and we'll get there eventually. I'm sure because Rex is on the road that he's on and it's unfortunate. Yeah. But there is still a part of me that feels so powerfully like this kid is a kid. Yeah. You know it's it I would hate to be judged for things things that I said. Yeah. When I was 17. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. This is this is totally like I grew up in a small town. This is this is every idiot I know. And then some of them went away to college. You know the liberal brainwashing machine and then came back and we're like that was fucking stupid that I said that like it was by escaping from the influence of your bad bad parents and you want to believe you know you want to believe that there's a possibility that that could be

something that happens but at the same time like how much of that is giving way too much of a benefit to the doubt. Well I mean he needs to be away from his parents before you can give him a a like your your brain isn't fully formed kid. Well I mean you shouldn't be there the way the way I'm approaching this is that in this appearance it's largely just standard as info wars stuff and that doesn't rise to the level of me feeling the need to treat him like someone who's on info wars. Right. Right. Right. I will get to that point eventually probably if things continue and then I will treat him as his own separate entity and I do think he is an autonomous person who's able to make his own choices. Sure. And I just find it very difficult to get around the fact that he's

also somebody who's had to deal with Alex Jones being his dad for yeah yeah like that is that is something that will like require years of therapy in order to oh man and I think my biggest problem with it is like by no means do I think it's okay for him to do or say any of this bullshit. No. I think my biggest problem with it is until he's an adult I'm just beating up on a kid. True. Do you know what I'm saying? True. Like I don't like that if I if I was like a teacher and he was a a student that's a that's a context where it's my job. But yeah the relationship like yeah I it's my responsibility to at least deal with this behavior as best as possible. Yeah. I'm just I'm 30 I'm a I don't even know how although I'm in mid 30s and I'm just a stranger

and this kid is on his dad's radio show like I'm not going to beat up on a kid. Yeah. I agree with that a hundred percent and from where I'm sitting by larger perspective on it kind of matches how I would feel if the feds were disappearing people at the Malhua Refuge right I disagree with the things that Rex is saying and I'm opposed to what he exists as yeah in terms of a media entity but I think the higher order problem is that Alex is doing this yeah yeah I don't I don't think that it's appropriate and I think that that is more of a relevant point but like I'm saying there will come a point where that line is crossed right right that Rex will be existing as much more of his own media and right right right right I just I'm not convinced personally that I have reached

the point where I'm comfortable with that yeah and it's I agree with you it sucks I mean it's the same thing with like I think that that Sof was a horrible person or I know a horrible person they're kid but like a horrible entity saying racist horrible shit yeah on media platforms and you know but I'm I still I'm not going to cover them appearing on info wars yeah it's still a 12 year old or whatever yeah it's it's still something that these adults should not have them on their show he's exploiting a child the only thing I have to say is the biggest problem here is a man exploiting a child and that it's his own child is real fucked up I don't know which is more fucked up if it's not his kid or if it is his kid but I don't know we're never going to get to the bottom

of that no that's true so Alex is sexualizing the governor of South Dakota and now Rex gets in on it great and this is another thing it's like Alex he shouldn't be doing this when are we moving to South Dakota well that was my new wife right there this was the first major I'm officially courting the South Dakota governor they prayed before the event of course in my wife saying the national anthem I was just proud to be there this this was a perfect example of what makes this country great and their name is mrs jones now see there's an added dimension of creepiness to this and that is that that and then the South Dakota governor would be Rex's new mother new mom hey mother and dad when are we moving to South Dakota so you can fuck that governor who has whiskey eyes

hey dad I'm 17 how about you go fuck the governor is she premium beef yeah no shit this is just inappropriate on a whole lot of I mean it's inappropriate even if this were like a shock jock show you know like if this was just an opian anthony style show yeah yeah you kind of expect this sort of behavior there how is a opening anthony doing most of them I assume are doing great right so I mean but Alex presents himself as a very different sort of broadcaster and in the conditions that he presents himself this is unacceptable on a hundred different levels everybody needs to come right with God and as we all know God wants me to openly speculate on how much I want to fuck the governor of South Dakota in front of my son very weird I've read the bible

cover to cover my friend mm-hmm twice is it mentioned you gotta fuck South Dakota governors so in this next clip um Alex he sets Rex up for a race baby kind of bit like a little bit of a scene and Rex is wrong to engage in this but I also think that this is just him doing exactly what his dad is is initiating I probably saw like three or four other people take off their mask briefly just so they could breathe because again it's like a hundred and four hundred and five degrees out so he's talking about like being out at a protest yes Texas blazing sun open air by the Capitol clear blue skies and every time one of those people would take their masks off for just five seconds you said clear blue white people have blue eyes that's kind of racist am I about to get

canceled Rex seriously you need to apologize say that you're bad because you're white I'm gonna be donating all my all the money I ever make in my life to Black Lives Matter now to make up for what I just said I'm directly to Soros directly to Soros because Soros isn't Black but he he wants to help Black people by destroying their community I've learned that now so I mean like that that's a stupid bit but it's exactly the bit that Alex is trying to initiate that's like it's irrelevant it's completely off topic the clear blue sky oh white people have blue eyes let's do this racism against white people bit yeah it's uh and look like yeah fuck Rex too but like Alex is the adult right he's no no no it I mean

I think we're all going to die because of deep-seated daddy issues I think I think too many psychopathic dads have led to too many people in power and now we're all fucked it's an interesting theory now so daddy issues um they talk about vampires a little bit here but that's the little vampire teeth but that's the drinks this is that sounds like a conspiracy theory no just look at cobert bow to him imagine a child in the dark kidnapped chained down begging for mommy for days no food all of a sudden that comes into view and he's here he's in charge he's the boss he's gonna have his way right now in my opinion in my opinion in my opinion Stephen cobert looks like a pedophile well no he looks like a vampire devil whisper if my dad said stuff like that to me in private I

probably wouldn't talk to him I know for months at least no that's child abuse it's not he's not 18 yet well that's still technically child abuse sure sure that's fucked I just don't think I find I wrestled with the idea of like is this even something we should talk about on the show and probably if alex hadn't been on break on monday or tuesday yeah we might have skipped past this yeah but it's deeply awful it's it's uh it's it's the sort of thing that's unbecoming as a broadcaster it's unbecoming as a professional critic of things it's unbecoming as a person like it's just it's it's it's trash this is just trash and I feel bad for rex and I also feel bad that I feel bad for him yeah I don't I don't know I'm at this weird limbo state where

I mean I mean with this like this is so much this is so fucked up for me personally because like I'm flashing back to when I was like 13 years old and I was like I proudly like read the bible in a in a week or whatever it is and I told my dad and I was just like I just want one to connect with my dad on a certain level and two for him to give me that huge like you did good slugger like that's what I was going for and when he says I think Stephen Colbert looks like a pedophile yeah that is exactly the same or he does that feel it in my bones yeah it's the same when he does the wipe I can feel it in my bones just like dad I want to relate to you yeah dad I want your pad of approval and even in this situation he just can't get it you shouldn't call him a

pedophile he's a vampire everything hey hey don't act like that don't act like that now don't act like that yeah exactly it's like holy shit you can't even give him a good job son yeah we're fucked that is really interesting I didn't even really realize that dynamic of the correcting in the vampire every because Alex can't give him the high status always by sort of negging yeah and yeah that like don't call people premium beef now I'm going to spend a bunch of time muttering how the governor of South Dakota's mommy whiskey eyes and yeah it's that is your new mom that is really interesting it's fucked up it is fucked up yeah and I mean like and maybe maybe I'm projecting a little bit in the same way you're describing because like I'm not projecting I'm feeling this

in my butt like this is this is PTSD is what I'm feeling right when I was 18 I took multiple religious studies classes in college to try and connect with my totally it's and and my dad wasn't even Alex Jones so like the level to which those approval seeking behaviors can lead you to do things that you might not have otherwise been inclined to do yeah and that's what I'm getting at that's really difficult is like I can empathize to a point yeah there will be a point that's crossed and maybe Rex is up to that shit off Alex's show yeah that I just don't make it my business to seek out probably maybe that's true hey there's a decent chance but in terms of this appearance like the stuff that he's saying is all exactly like what you're describing is like it's very easily

categorizable as approval seeking behavior yeah and why is it that everybody on this show makes me genuinely want them to get help like I'm mad at everyone around I'm mad at them I'm mad at everybody in this ecosystem they've created that keeps them from getting the serious psychiatric help they need yeah so some people have speculated that Alex was drunk when he's doing this like this is my power yeah and so and there's a tone of voice that does sound like he's drunk but it doesn't make sense to me because he's not been acting drunk throughout most of this episode at all it seems like the ignition would be way too fast yeah yeah yeah but he does have a weird coughing fit okay let's put it back on screen judge him look at his soul that's the enemy right

there like I mean am I opinion he looks worse than Podesta in that picture well he's in the club by the he didn't get up there because he's playing tinley wings COVID COVID alert COVID alert god if he does have COVID I hate all of you oh he's ready to buy oh shavin pedo go bear so now the thing that's interesting about that is maybe he was trying to figure out who highly Salasi was ended up getting real like smoke some trees the camera is off him and on a still shot of a picture of uh Podesta and Stephen Colbert so I have no idea what's going on there it could have been that he took like a big swig of booze and then he started coughing or something could

went down the wrong pipe that's possible or it could just be that the camera wasn't on him because he was coughing and he looks veiny yeah doesn't look good no I don't know what the case is my professional assessment of this is I don't necessarily think he was drunk it's possible I don't I don't see the evidence of it I I would I don't know because he is desperately sad yes so that does tend to support the he's been drinking the whole time you know but at the same time he was doing fine generally speaking through the course of an episode that he's drunk on we can pretty you you do it really a lot of really good comprehensive job of taking us through the journey of like not drunk or he started out a little drunk here's where I think

he went back here's where we're never blindsided but yeah holy shit suddenly he's drunk I generally see an arc when these things when he's fucked up yeah and I don't I don't know if that's necessarily the case so you have one last clip here and you are asking if rex got a pat on the head yeah he got something quite different and here's how this this comes to a close America was built on Christian Western ideals and these people openly admit that they want to strip those Christian Western ideals away what do you have to replace our ideals with and then I think we're going to get scared of being demonized so we stand out our system isn't perfect but America the idea of America and what Americans have done over the 200 something years that this has been

this has been a country I agree right I want you to host the end of the show yourself thank you appreciate it do it take it over getting back to what I was saying he's waddling off now so mid sentence alex is just like you can host the rest of the show and he leaves alex just leaves does he straight up leave he just walks off he straight up leaves just leaves does rex host the rest of the show I mean I listened to another like minute or two of it and then I turned it off because I mean he he's 17 he doesn't have chops no of course he doesn't have it's almost the end of the fourth hour so like I don't know like if alex came back like right at the end or whatever to be like hey you should buy these products my dad has your grandpa has some products wow it's very

weird and you know the reason that I said I don't know if you could say you got a pat on the head is because yeah he did trust him to host the rest of the fourth hour I guess rex does seem to interpret it as such as thank you yeah you know that is sort of like a I guess a show of trust in some ways so you could interpret that as a pat in the head or you could interpret it as alex is incredibly rude interrupted mid sentence and then just left I'm pretty sure my genual gen general vibe is that was a temper tantrum because his son was talking too much and he didn't like not being the center of attention doesn't not feel that way it doesn't not feel like yeah boy anyway wow rex leave leave your dad emancipate so this is um I don't know this is a fucked up episode but fucked

up alex alex kind of like forced my hand by being out of studio right and we I mean it's not like we're going to take another day off yeah it's not in the cards so we you know we had an episode to do and it's important to check in on alex and what really forced my hand was the fact that he talked about portland a little bit in a way that I haven't really heard him cover the situation at all yeah so it's really really relevant to our interests and our coverage to see him be in support of the federal government because it's a tool and a weapon that can be used against his true enemies anybody who has sort of liberal ideas you knew he was going to do it totally you knew he was going to do it but I still I I knew I analyzed it the moment he actually straight upset it I was like

there's always there was still that part of me this like maybe this is going to be the one where he's like I don't agree with Trump on this I think this is a government overreach yeah I think he should continue doing everything else that he wants to do it's hard not to get that like okay here's the line there's got to be something but there just isn't just doesn't seem like it unless trump comes for the guns I guess unless trump comes comes for alex's guns like individually yeah maybe yeah I don't know it's it's it's interesting but because of that it really necessitated talking about this episode and then unfortunately because we're covering this episode and there isn't a monday or tuesday episode to fill things out you know we gotta talk a little bit about

this fucked up weird shit with wrecks yeah and then also uh you know I might have just ignored the hodge twins interview but I think it's a really good case study of someone who I have no idea what their their hustle is yeah and then you come in you see these sort of telltale signs of like this is yeah scammy and so I mean like I just think this is yeah it's fun when both you and alex meet an alt right personality and have no idea who they are I have no reason to know who they are exactly he has them on his show he has a little bit of a responsibility you would think and then I honestly think that maybe the most important thing to come out of this is this the weird new product line that's the thing I'm most interested in yeah because if alex is to be

believed as someone who's competent at making sentences this might be part of his exit strategy oh man these the but let's not bank on that because how many times have we gone down this road who knows then again the then again now that we know that this strategy has been in in the works for a year it does seem like whenever he has mentioned in the past that I want to you know at least he had a plan yeah possibly yeah I don't know we'll see what happens we'll see but we'll be back on Friday indeed we will but until then Jordan yes sir we have a website we do it's knowledge fight dot com and my book is at the quiet part lab dot com yeah we can check that out over there download it for free yeah leave what you like comments welcome as you see thick we're

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