Knowledge Fight - #46: June 18, 2015

Episode Date: May 30, 2017

Today, Dan reveals to Jordan the beginning of his research into what happened to Alex Jones by telling him all about the things that happened on The Alex Jones Show on June 18, 2015. Topics include: What does Alex think about the Charleston shooting? Should you change your phone number every few years? Have Alex's guns ever been used in a murder? Did Alex have help in developing his 2016 savior complex?

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink red wine, and explore the wacky shenanigans of Mr. Jones. That's Alex, if you're nasty.

That is... That was the reverse of Janet Jackson. That was very much very strange. Alex, Mr. Jones, if you're nasty. Sorry. Uh, and there is a twist on this. There is. This is a no-nonsense intro we're doing right here.

Yes, absolutely. Neither of us are fucking around. There's no, like, pretending that we don't know what this show is about. No. We're fucking getting right into this. This is a pretzel-level twist. This intro is rock solid, one-to-one, getting in, getting out. See if you can vamp a little more.

I don't know anything about Alex Jones and you, my friend. I can tell you everything about him. And that is the rub. Uh, and so today we are going to be having a really fun episode that, uh, is going to take us, it's gonna jettison us in an entirely new direction with the show. And hence, we are drinking a little wine by the name of The Expedition, because this will be the beginning of a very important expedition. But before we get...

You know a lot of people die on expeditions. And we may. All right. We may very well uncover something that will get us killed. Okay, I'm in. Probably not. But, uh, before we do... You win some, you lose some.

Before we do, I would like to play this out-of-context drop from, uh, an episode back in 2015 that is a little bit longer than our out-of-context drops, but very much worth it. Okay. Now, I had neighbors that had peacocks and they would get down right annoying. But in a way, it was kind of cool. But then they screech, but then Owls killed them. So I guess that took care of that problem.

Everybody knows that peacocks only have about six months as the Owls come in and take them out at night. They just, they don't even eat them and just flying and kill them. High-speed, boom, basically knocked their heads off right there next. But, uh, Radorn Howls are amazing. One time I saw one kill a pigeon sitting on a power line. It was getting dark and this big owl just flies by a pow, hits that pigeon, feathers just explode. And didn't grab the pigeon, just killed it for sport, I guess.

Saw a hawk kill a pigeon off a power pole one time. Hit the ground and the hawk came down. Why are you just randomly talking about shit? It's even dark. Side issue. It's a side issue. It's just a bird death talk. Here's all the stuff that's killed a pigeon recently.

So I've done seen it once. And he's, he's laughing at the fact that these Owls just murdered his neighbor's peacocks in the middle of the night. Like he's just, he's just like, oh, those peacocks were annoying. I'm glad Owls murdered that my neighbor's peacock. Alex has seen a lot of brutality happen in the Avian Kingdom. It sure seems like a side issue. I'd like to give a shout out to our new Donator. Thank you very much, Lance.

I'm a policy wonk. Congratulations on becoming a policy wonk. He has donated on the time travel level. And so we'll be doing a special episode based on his time traveling, uh, specifications. Welcome to the fold, Lance. We're glad to have you. Today though, I have gone on my own time travel adventure. Yes.

Because as I have hinted, uh, in past episodes, I have undertaken something of an investigation. This investigation is ongoing, but I am currently ready to share the beginning of it and tell the listeners. I swear to God, if this is Hillary's emails all over again, I'm going to find you. Dude, guess what? It's not. Oh, okay. So I decided at some point when I found an archive of old episodes, uh, I decided that I wanted to figure out exactly where Alex Jones lost his mind.

That was something that is of important consequence to me because I'm afraid it's going to happen to me. You're trying, you're trying to find your own like sell by date. Is that what's going on here? It's like that episode of lost where Desmond has to find his constant. Right. I have to find Alex Jones far enough in the past where he was saying, right? And then we have to stop right before you get to that point. Exactly.

Gotcha. That is the plan. So I'm just going to teach me the signs and then it will be up to me to, you know, kill you. I suppose that's really, please do. Yeah, that's really the only option. Once I turn zombie, take me out. All right. But I will play the cranberries while that is happening.

I have a lot of experience with Alex from the past and I had listened to his show at some points for entertainment way back and I knew that he was not the same person he is in 2017. So I wanted to know what the fuck happened. So I've gone back and I've listened to episodes and he's still a bigot and an idiot right way back. But he, he's changed and I think the Trump campaign has changed him. Yeah, that's, that's what we speculated from the very beginning. And so I have isolated a start date of my investigation to June 16th, 2015, which is the day that Donald Trump descended that escalator and announced his candid, candidacy for president.

So I am exploring time traveling wise. That is our new kill baby Hitler moment. Well, no, it turns out not, but that, that is where I am beginning my investigation. And I can say with absolute certainty that Alex Jones is not 2017. Alex Jones on June 16th. Okay. He doesn't support Donald Trump. He has no knowledge of Donald Trump to any external observer.

If you listen to the show, he doesn't bring him up once. He announces his candidacy on the 17th, the June 17th show. That peacock clip was from that show. He's on that tip. Okay. He does a half hour interview with a lady who the city of Visalia, California told that she couldn't keep goats in her house. He did a half hour with that part.

Was that like them, them like communicating with each other on a farm based level just like, Hey, you can't sell goats or own goats. Well, guess what? My neighbor can't fucking own peacocks. I'll sick my trained owls on them. And guess what? These owls eat fucking goats lady. Keep them wherever you want.

They kill goats for fun. Yes. That was an offshoot of that conversation. Got you. He's, he's on some agenda 21 shit. He basically it, the episode's not worth us covering. Okay. It's not very interesting, but he, uh, he, the peacocks would beg to differ.

But that is fun. He also has a guest who speculates that gold is going to be selling at $50,000 an ounce shortly. Shortly. But that's a pretty big jump. Yeah. It would be about a $49,000 an ounce jump. I can see it.

I'll tell you what. It never happened. Just didn't know that would be, that would be the wildest day in history. Since 2015, the highest gold has ever been is $1,300 an ounce. So they really shot that mark way. They were shooting the moon. It didn't, that would destroy global currency. Like the entire war, the entire world's economy would just end.

Everything would be kind of fun though. Like you would destroy the currency in a really weird way. And if you had any gold, hooray. Oh yeah. Yeah. But also, but even then your gold then becomes worthless because it's worth. No, it's, it's, what do you, you can't go to, it's like going to a corner store

and trying to break a hundred. Yeah. Whatever you have is only worth what someone is able or willing to give you for it. Exactly. Also, nothing. Also, it's worth mentioning that Alex Jones, uh, to this day and back in 2015 and forever has been distributed by GCN, Genesis Communications Network,

which is a company that's owned by a guy named Ted Anderson, who also owns Midas Resources, a gold sales company. Gotcha. So him having this guy on, that's coincidental. That is coincidental. Yeah. So it's mostly that shit. And then this agenda 21 fears with the goat lady and also a story about a guy

who lived in, I believe Huntsville, Alabama. And, uh, he had a trailer that he set up on the outside of town, but still within city limits. So he's the hero of our story. No, no, no heroes. He just sets up a trailer and wants to live off the grid. He's got solar panels and he claims that everything's cool. And the city is like, you have to have your home up to code.

You don't have consistent water. We don't know if you have like winter proof this house. So you just got to move outside city limits. Yeah. You can't live within the city, especially if you have kids. If you don't have a home that's up to code and he's like, nah, I'm being oppressed. And so that's Alex's whole angle on it.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that he's being impressed. That gets you up to speed on the 17th. That's one day after Donald Trump announces his candidacy. Unfortunately, on the night of the 17th, something very terrible happened. And that was the shooting. Owl was killed by a peacock.

No, it was the shooting at the Charleston church. Oh, fuck me. The Dillon roof went in and shot up the, the. I was at the Emmanuel African Methodist. I don't want to hear. I don't want this to be an entire episode of me screaming in the background. It's not going to be entirely that because I think that there's interesting angles we can take to approach Alex's version of it.

Right. And we're going to have to because it's what's happening. Okay. All right. All right. Fine. Be warned. Be warned by or beware.

I have. I have. Yeah. No, no, no. If I, oh, oh man, that one gets to me. I promise you this isn't a setup where I was like, I'm going to trick you to come over and then I'm going to force you to talk about this. Let's just get it out of the way up top.

Yes. Horrifying event. Terrible. Um, doesn't really need to be said. Everyone kind of knows where we stand on an event that perhaps more than any other crystallizes the state of America in the 21st century. Certainly. It really does because every thought that people had of like, oh, we're past

racism. Every single moment of that entire situation is just all of endemic racism in one. Sure. Like it's all there. It's out now white supremacy. Oh, absolutely. It's cuckolding fears.

It's, um, it's black people are taking over. You can't sell a loose cigarette without being murdered by the cops. If you're black, but if you murder people in a church, if you murder black people in a church, the cops will take you out to fucking McDonald's. Certainly. That is the type of shit that is beyond fucking the pale. It's nonsense. And uh, it is, and you could be, it makes me want to burn down churches,

but that doesn't make any goddamn sense. Doesn't make things better. No, but, uh, here's the good news. Alex doesn't wrestle with much of that. Mm hmm. Uh, he good. It, I know that this is going to be difficult for you, especially I because I am prone to arrangement.

Yes. And I have similar feelings. Don't get me wrong. Even if I don't yell as much as you do, I'm yelling on the inside, but I think that this is an important document and a very important piece of my investigation of how Alex went wrong because there is an interview with a guy at the end of this. That's sort of, I think is foundational to Alex's, uh, election 2016 behaviors.

Radicalization. Yes, but then at the same time, the rest of the episode, the body of the episode very perfectly depicts how Alex Jones goes from ambivalence to false flag and it's very interesting. False flag campaign. No, thinking that the shooting was a false flag. Oh, fuck. So I'm going to lay it out ahead of time.

What you're going to experience is at the start of the episode, Alex can't say one way or the other because he knows how racially charged it would be for him to say this is fake. Yeah. So he's like, I don't know. I can't say there have been a lot of people who have been false flags in the past. We know the operation gladio exists.

All this stuff. He's just doing that, like putting his toe in the water. Just like, yeah, maybe until he has an interview at the end of the episode with a preacher, a Reverend Childress. Okay, who comes on and basically just says, come on, this is fake. And now that a black preacher has said that Alex is freed up to then robustly bring the narrative. So he, he got, he got permission.

He got the, oh, that's what, no, that's what he thinks he got from that. And that gives him, that gives him covering of his ass. Totally. That's what that is. It's not that he got permission, but it gives him cover. It's the same as like, I have black friends. He's like, yeah, I talked to Reverend Childress. He says the exact same thing.

Exactly. And I understand how I'm not being racial. That guy's black. And I, I understand how kind of, uh, maybe racist it is for me to even suggest that that's what's going on. No, that's exactly what's going on over the course of the episode. It feels very clear that that's what's going on. That's what's going on.

Also before Childress, uh, as they have this interview, uh, Alex Jones brings Jacari Jackson in to co-host with him. Once again, and because like we got to have a black reporter here, everything's fine, everything's fine. And Jacari Jackson says almost nothing and sits there uncomfortably. Right. So I'm a secondary element of my investigation is why did Jacari Jackson quit? And I think, I think there's one to look.

There's, there's, there's just so much a man can take. Right. There's so much a man could Alex Jones makes me sit here silently while he interviews this preacher and yeah. So he goes home and is like, I don't know if I can do this anymore. It's a little messed up, but we're going to start this with the first clip. This is how he starts the episode and I will say that it starts kind of okay, but it deteriorates really quickly.

Uh, and then Alex introduces what is going to be his sort of driving narrative about why this shooting isn't the biggest deal in the world. Uh, and it's pretty, it's in pretty poor taste. So I, I'm sorry. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us. Very tragic events have taken place in Charleston on the East coast. A deranged, classically mentally ill looking young man has bussed into a church last night and basically sat there for an hour before shooting and

killing execution style. Nine black people on a white on black racial attack. And this is one of these events that I call a Rosetta stone. There are a lot of them that are now you can take this event and look at every angle of our problems through it and learn a lot. Number one, I don't mean this sarcastically. Dylan roof, who's now in police custody, who walked around and posted to Facebook and places himself wearing, you know, South African apartheid attire

and patches. This is like a fucking horror movie where I'm just waiting for that fucking thing to drop or gone to medical school to be an abortionist and then he could kill tens of thousands of black people in his career and be called a great member of society. And that's what the smart racists do. Wow. Self-adjacent and others have gone out and demonstrated and protested out front

Planned Parenthood here in Austin, Texas at a bunch of death-loving scum. Spiritual kindreds, I would say in my opinion, crawl out from underneath rocks to come and attack us. So within a minute of starting his show, he like you said, he could have just stopped. Could have just stopped. He did start with a fairly tasteful. This guy is a crazy person.

He's awful. It's a racial crime. This is a white on black racial crime. Full stop within a minute of just talking. He's like, but the bigger deal is, or if you wanted to actually kill more black people, you should have become an abortionist. Yep. And I mean, great.

That's what smart racists do. Great spin. Smart racists, they get rid of all of this public racism and they go straight for the pre-racism. Pre-racism. Yeah. Like, have you ever seen minority report? That's really what that is.

Sure, sure. That's what's going on. So the abortion rates are kind of interesting to look at. The minorities do have higher abortion rates than white populations. Yep. But all numbers have been dropping pretty consistently for years. The reason that most experts who've looked at the numbers give is... Money.

That's a really big part of it. Money, money, money, money. Access to health care, contraception, that sort of thing. Is really what the true story is about it. It is not that people want to kill black children and so they support abortion in order to do it. It's a crooked narrative. It's a bullshit anti-abortion argument that my dad has made 300 million times

and you're just sitting there going for... Stop. Shut the fuck up. Then think for one second. What do you care more about that these babies are born or that anybody can fucking feed them? And the answer to those anti-abortion people is always life stops being worth caring about at conception.

Yeah, yeah. They're fucking monstrous. So they're happily willing to watch hundreds of thousands of children starve, especially in the United States where we have hundreds of thousands of children starving right now or going hungry. But no, it's fucking anti-abortionists who need to fucking make sure that we get more and more goddamn babies in there. And if you don't want that, if you want abortion legalized,

then you're fucking racist because 50% of all black babies have been abortionated or whatever the fuck they want to lie about. That's something that Alex Jones has said before is that 50% of all black babies are fucking aborted. It's up to 51 on this episode. It's up to 51? God damn it. So that's a majority.

Well, then they now have control of Congress, I guess. I don't know. I don't know. But like if you can fucking appoint a Supreme Court justice, sure. If you take reality out of the equation, it's actually a really good spin for him to make because it would be incredibly difficult for him to wrestle with the idea that this was a white supremacist who celebrated apartheid Africa, South Africa, who celebrated Rhodesia, who had the express purpose

of wanting to trigger a race war. Yeah, like it would be very difficult. So his first volley is nine people are dead. 51% of black children are aborted in that. What's the larger crime? Right. What's the who's going in here for the greater good? His secondary argument is, look, a lot of people have been brain

controlled to commit crimes and he lists off like the Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, these these folks and like Timothy McVeigh noted right wing racist murderer guy who who wanted to start a race war guy who specifically said that taxes were an act of war against people and that was radicalized by the Waco bullshit. Indeed, when anti government all the way very similar to Alex in many ways, very similar to Alex claims that Timothy McVeigh had a chip in his head and that they were controlling him through that.

Oh, that makes sense. And I did a little bit of research into that and I did find an article written by a lady who had a UCLA email address. I don't know if she actually taught at UCLA or was a student. I have no idea if she just got one. Yeah, but she worked there for a while. She wrote a really it appears scholarly based on her connection to UCLA article about how Timothy McVeigh probably was being mind controlled.

But then if you look into her past at all, she is a incredibly active member of UFO conspiracy communities. Oh, okay. So it kind of goes part and parcel with that. Well, she wasn't until she wrote that article and then she became mind controlled, right, to make sure that you would never believe the truth. Right. And like the Unabomber is kind of a really, really smart Alex Jones.

Yeah, well, like a super genius level. Alex Jones would get rid of all of the racism stuff and be like, listen, it's actually all of society. It's not a small group of it. We all need to get out of here. Technology all of this shit. Let's move back to the woods and fight owls because they're stealing our peacocks.

Yeah. Yeah. And like imagine if Ted Kaczynski had to fill four hours a day like I know that manifesto is barely even at 16,000 pages. Come on, man. Come on. So like Alex is he's struggling to find 16,000 pages, 16,000 words. Right.

Right. Right. 16,000 pages would that be ridiculous? That's as many emails as Hillary left or whatever. Come on now. Yeah, documents. Alex is struggling at this point to find the foothold of the what the narrative is going to be.

And I think he's caught off guard a little bit and he does know he wasn't ready to deal with this. He does know that coming out immediately and saying it's fake will open him up to accusations. So he can't do that. And here is how he sort of ambivalently talks about this is way post Sandy hook. So he kind of already knows like, uh-oh, mass shootings are a place that I don't necessarily want to jump into.

Well, he also knows. I think he does know from the jump that the narrative has to be gun control, like it has to be about how they're going to take our guns with this, but he doesn't know how to get there. And so he's struggling throughout the course of the episode because he has to say essentially that it's fake in order for it to be like this is a plan to take our guns. Yes, but he can't do that.

Like I said, because it opens him up to way too much very justifiable attack of racism. And so we get into this next clip, which is the first time false flaggery comes up. Some will say is it a false flag? Well, because our government and other governments have been caught carrying out mass shooting false flags and because it's in operation Northwoods, they would wound people and shoot people at public places and

then blame it on their political enemies as a pretext for war with Cuba. Because this happened in Operation Gladio back in the 1950s and 60s and 70s in Europe. You have to say we have to look at that. I don't think that's what this is. It could be not good. But we've seen other demons target white churches, black churches, Jewish shenagogues, all lives matter.

It was a famous case back in Fort Worth where a guy went in shot and killed 14 people and mainly a white church. It was a white guy doing it. He was a Navy veteran. And then it turned out he told his neighbors he was under mind control and I thought, oh, probably schizophrenic till they talked to one neighbor and they said, no, we saw him one day being drug out by people in what look like Navy uniforms and thrown in a white van.

This is decades after he'd been in the Navy. You can look up that case and I did. So what he's talking about there as a sort of example of white churches being attacked was a gentleman by the name of Larry Jean Ashbrook. He on September 15th, 1999 killed seven people and entered a further seven at a post see you at the pole rally featuring a concert by the Christian Rock Group 40 days before committing suicide himself.

It occurred at Wedgwood Baptist Church in Fort Worth in 1999. Now, the interesting thing about this is the stuff about his neighbors saying that he was dragged out by vans and stuff like that. That's completely unconfirmable. But what we can confirm is that his motivation was that he hated Baptists. Oh, it was a religiously based crime where he went in. He hated Baptists.

Yeah, he's a really specific one though. Well, he was a member of a group. There was a private investigator. This came out in the ABL Anti-Baptist League. The most intriguing new detail came from Houston writer and private investigator John Craig, who said he interviewed Ashbrook in the presence of several Ku Klux Klan members in spring of 1997. The co-writer of a book on white supremacists, Craig said that

Ashbrook boasted of his membership in the Phineas Priests, a loose knit, virulently racist movement that advocates the killing of minorities and Jews. Buford Furrow, who allegedly shot up a Jewish daycare center in Los Angeles in August, is also believed to be a Phineas priest. He is a member of a group called the Phineas Priests, who are also part of an offshoot of this group called Christian Identity. And they are a group that are...

Right wing terrorists. It is a Christian identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by two authors who regarded Europeans as the chosen people and Jews as the cursed offspring of Cain. Man, everybody hates the Jews. Yeah, it's true. Why? But they...

Let it go, guys. They also have a belief that Baptists are a bastardized version of Christianity because of their acceptance and because they don't rigidly adhere to these European nationalist supremacist ideals. Yeah, but there's so many like you could go with Unitarians like why pick Baptists? That has the feel of like a guy who is fucking nuts just deciding

like, God damn, at that fucking Baptist church didn't get my change right at the grocery store. So that's because of Baptists. They don't know math. It's possible. Let's start killing all of them. It's possible, but I think the more reasonable argument is that Unitarians are too far gone.

They're not even Christians. These Baptists need to be got back in line. And maybe if I, like if I shock them, they'll realize that they've strayed and come back or something like that. God damn it. I'm trying to put myself in a crazy headspace and it's very difficult. That's as close as we're going to get.

So there was a guy named Jeremiah Nietz, who survived the shooting. He was a 19 year old former football lineman and he recounted a conversation that he had during the shooting. And this is a quote from him. I don't know why, but I just sat there looking at him as he came towards me. When he got within about five feet, he pointed one of his

guns at me and just glared. I told him, sir, you don't have to be doing this. He told me to shut the hell up. Then he asked me what my religion was and I told him I was a Christian, a Baptist. He said that sucks and that it was a stupid religion. Nietz replied, no, sir, it doesn't suck. It's a wonderful thing.

God put me on this earth for a reason. I'm certain of that. Ashbrook fired several more rounds and yelled this religion is bullshit. And then he sat down and said fuck off and shot himself in the head. So one good thing happened. Yeah, he was a crazy person and investigators after the fact

when they went to his house, they discovered that he had virtually destroyed the interior of his house. Holes were bashed into the walls with crowbars. The toilet was filled with concrete and the fruit trees growing in the backyard had been poisoned. He was just a nut. He was a completely crazy person. And though he was involved in racist organizations like these

Phineas priests, Christian identity, clearly had some relation to the Klan. That wasn't not like it was just about Baptists. Like it wasn't. Well, I mean, it was he was going to he was most likely a loaded gun like it wasn't. It wasn't. He was specifically going after Baptists.

No, it was fucking. No, I mean, I know he was sorry. He's a fucking lunatic who was. Accepted by these people. Yeah, that's what it was. So this dude is crazy, probably rammed to the gills with PTSD. Yeah, meets up with these KKK guys who support everything he believes keeps getting kind of promoted into these cooler and

cooler, like little inner circle things. And they've just basically prime them with all of this bullshit. Yeah, just like, hey, it could have been anything. It could have been like, that's how. Hey, you know who you know who the real problem is? It's fucking. I don't know. Pick a group.

That's how hate groups work. Yeah, take people who are disenchanted, disenfranchised, and they gradually lead them down the path. It's the same with cults. You know, like Scientology, you don't know the end until you're too far in to do anything about it. You get indoctrinated into these hate groups and you maybe don't realize their hate groups until it's like, oh, fuck,

I'm already in deep. It's and it's the same thing and it's the same thing with Alex. It's a suicide bomber. It's the same fucking thing. Yeah, that's what he was. He was a suicide bomber. Yeah, just because he had a gun instead of a bomb doesn't make him any less of a terrorist.

Yeah, he killed seven people, four of which were teens. But the point that he went to a white church is super relevant and it's just Alex trying to make false equivalencies. Yeah. So we get on to the next clip, which is black people died. Well, guess what? White people died too. So that means everything's fine and we never have to confront

the fact that this whole goddamn country is filled with racist fucks and we're never going to be rid of it. Not the whole country, but a lot of it, a lot of it. No, it's the whole fucking every part of the country traded with these horrifying people. Right. And the Internet is making it worse. Yeah.

But this next clip is actually kind of fun because Alex in his rambling trying to make sure everyone knows that he doesn't like Dylan roof accidentally supports gun control. Okay, this next clip. All right, we're learning. We're growing out of trouble trespassing and other activities. And he just looks like the textbook case of lunatic. That is true.

I do agree with him. And let me tell you, if I had a son like that, I would not be giving him a gun. But that's just common sense. So there we go. There we go. It is now. Don't let those guys have guns.

Now extrapolate that as a parenting technique to a social moray, how we guide society. And now we have a better world. Hey, if you don't like mentally ill people having guns, don't let them have guns. See, now this is where we have to get into where Alex Jones is really smart as a propagandist because his whole thing is that they want to take our guns.

When the reality is the people who are interested in gun control don't want to take your guns. You can have your guns, but we want to make it more regimented. We want to make it safer. We want to make a world where it's harder to get a gun because people like this asshole exist. And few. You know what?

It doesn't matter if it's harder to get a gun or not. I want to live in a world where fewer people get shot by guns. Yes. If it doesn't matter to me what the solution is, it seems obvious that the solution is gun control, but if the solution truly was give everybody 10 guns and just wear them all the time. Yeah, I'm fine with that too.

Sure. Just so long as fewer people get fucking murdered. Yeah. I'm for it. We want the end goal, not the process. I don't care. Yeah. And I think that the reason I was saying he's smart is that

every single thing you have to come out swinging as if it was the thing you're afraid of and that way you are always on the offensive even when you're being defensive. So in the same way that like this isn't a thing where people want to take your guns, you have to act like it is because if you don't, you give a little bit of show weakness. And as long as you project strength and aggression at all times, people will, you know, you can't really have an

argument with him because he does in that clip. He agrees. If I was his dad, I would not let him have a gun. Yeah. But then his, his comeback to you would be like, Hey, but that's me because I should have the right to do that over my son. It shouldn't be the government.

I don't want to be telling you exactly. Yeah. I guess it is problematic. Yeah. Um, so you know that church, we just talked about the, uh, the white church. Uh, there's another one that Alex wants to bring up. Uh-oh.

It's an even worse example. Oh no. By the way, did you hear 10 were shot? 10 white people were shot and killed. 10 white people by five black gunman. Well, that was in 1993 when apartheid was ending and then it came out in the news later that it had been organized and probably paid for by groups that wanted to keep apartheid

in place. So there's a London telegraph reporting on what many believe is a false flag. He has David Knight on to talk a little bit more about this, but they don't get into any detail or actually talk about what the actual situation they're talking about is. Okay. This is in 1993 in South Africa.

It was the St. James church massacre. Uh-huh. I don't know if you've ever heard about this. I have not. It's a event that has sort of slipped through the sands of time because shit was real bad in the nineties in South Africa. Yeah.

Uh, the end of apartheid was a really difficult time for folks. Uh, so there was, this was one of four major attacks. Uh, between late nineteen ninety two all the way through nineteen ninety three perpetrated by the as in a and people's liberation army. It was a group, uh, that was founded after the Sharpeville massacre, uh, which was in nineteen sixty, I believe.

And it was a thing where sixty nine people were killed and a hundred and eighty injured. Many shot in the back fleeing. Police reports claim that quote young and inexperienced police members panicked and opened fire on protesters setting off a chain reaction. Uh, this Sharpeville massacre happened during a protest of what

was known as past laws. You know, are you aware of past laws? I've heard of them. I don't quite remember entirely the whole thing. They were laws that essentially required black citizens in South Africa to carry a passport around with them at all times. It was a way of trying to limit their movement and was one

of the foundational aspects of the apartheid system. Right. It's the, it's the voter ID writ large all day every day kind of law. Absolutely. It's no, it's a reasonable thing. You don't want people just going anywhere. They got to know who people are.

You got to know who people are. What if they're crazy? What if they're a terrorist? Right. We got to make sure we know who everybody is. And make sure it's only the black ones. Just because it only targets a certain group of people doesn't mean that it's about that.

No, no, no, it's. So in 1960, about about safety, about about your safety to totally about 7000 people in 1960 were demonstrating against these past laws because originally it was just for men over 16 and then they expanded to include women and younger people and it was just becoming a thing where what the fuck guys? Right.

So they protested against it and as we described and that was the official report from the police, young and inexperienced cops just opened fire on them. Right. Some people say that the protesters were throwing rocks at the police, but it's unclear. There are other sources that say that they were completely peaceful and the cops fired on them.

Yeah. So the APLA, the Azarian as an and people's Liberation Army was formed in response to that massacre under the name Poco, but then changed their name later. And let's be honest, they did do some terrorist shit, but there's a reason. I don't want. So a lot of the people who were, I would say most of the people

who were negatively affected by that group probably didn't actively participate, right? Probably weren't actively worthy of what they got, but I am far more sympathetic to the Azanayan Liberation Party than anybody else. The APLA's argument was that because of the apartheid system, every white person was complicit in how things were operated. And I agree.

There is an argument. I mean, certainly it's not a good enough argument that I would support killing them, but it's definitely true. I don't support killing them. And I don't think and I don't think that would really solve anything, but my empathy for them is massive compared to my empathy for the white people who died. So after the, also by the way, Alex said it was 10 people.

It was 11 and he said there were five gunmen. There were four after the St. James massacre. All four men responsible were captured and arrested and incarcerated. They appealed for amnesty from Bishop Desmond Tutu's Truth and Reconciliation Committee, which happened after apartheid because they were like, we don't want to do Nuremberg trials. We want to try and heal the wounds of society.

And so they appealed to this Truth and Reconciliation Committee and they ended up meeting with survivors and family members of victims from the massacre that they had carried out and they reconciled with them. They understood the ramifications of their actions. They repented and these sorts of things. I think that it's a better way to go about society as a whole. And so they were all granted amnesty by the Truth and

Reconciliation Committee. Now, if that sounds fucked up that four out of four of the people who carried out this massacre were granted amnesty, consider this. Only 849 out of the 7,112 applications for amnesty to the Truth and Reconciliation Committee were accepted. So it was not a rubber stamp thing. Clearly they went through the process and found,

all right, this makes sense. Right. Well, it's not a repeatable behavior. It's not like a breaking and entering where if you get out of jail, you're going to break an end or somewhere else again or you're going to commit larger crimes. This was a, you guys systematically oppressed and enslaved my people and we fought back.

Yeah. If you don't understand why we have at least some justification for fighting like this, you're an insane person. Yeah, yeah. And they were carrying out orders to some extent from their APLA organization. Right.

So they were sort of foot soldiers to a greater extent and beyond that, the organization was created in response to police massacres. Right. So I don't want to, I would never come out and say I support their actions, but I do support the conclusion of the Truth and Reconciliation Committee. Yeah, it's not the right way to do something,

but if you don't have sympathy for it, then you're just being unreasonable. Yeah, and if you don't understand the social dynamics that create stuff like that, you're being intentionally obtuse. Well, how, like Alex is being intentionally obtuse for the argument of white nationalism. If you get trapped into this system that is oppressing you

and destroying you at every single turn, there's no way that you can't begin to feel so helpless that you think, well, what else is there to do? Right. But commit acts of violence. Well, it's like that idea that rioting is the voice of the oppressed, to some extent. If you can't get recourse for grievances that are real in

court, if the system is so broken against you, it sucks, but the only thing you can do is burn down a building. Well, the woman who murdered that kid, the cop who murdered that kid and was on trial, was just fucking, like she was cleared of all charges, cleared of all charges, even though they had it on camera that she actually murdered that kid, cleared of all charges and went back to work. That the lady in Oklahoma, Betty Shelby, was a police officer

who murdered Terrence Crutcher, straight up murderer, murdered him, no other way to describe it. And she was acquitted of all charges and just went straight back to work. So then, if that type of shit happens, you look at that and you think there is no justice system. No. There's no justice.

So why would I want to go through these? Why would I want to be peaceful? Why would I want to do all of this stuff? Because I am getting no justice anywhere else. I have to take justice into my own hands. Right. It is, to me, it is, like you said, willfully obtuse to think that riots and the like are some sort of silly action.

Right. Or that the Black Lives Matter protesters want to kill cops. Right. No. That's stupid. They want justice. That's it. Do you know what you get?

You get justice. So if it's only applied to you and not to them, get ready for some shit burning down. Well, yeah, and Alex would argue in favor of riots for this perceived, they're going to take our own shit. Oh, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just really unfair and logically inconsistent.

It's a real bummer. It's a real bummer. This next clip that we're going to play here comes almost immediately after he talks very inaccurately about this South African situation that he calls a false flag. Okay. Categorically wasn't. Also, they imply that it was white people who carried it out

and pretended they were black. I looked at that's trying to get racial cover in like all directions. Yeah, I looked at no, we're not being racist. We're not being racist. It's probably white people or the very least it was a false flag run by white people. So it's white people.

We're definitely not being racist about this. So that means we're not being racist about Dylan Roof. I don't buy his argument at all. It's so stupid. But then he comes back and he makes a stupid prediction that did not come to pass, but also laments the state of being white. The mainstream media hyping racial division and race war

in this country 24 seven and creating the perception that blacks are being targeted by white people everywhere for extermination has elicited a lot of low intensity attacks on whites that quite frankly, I see almost every day and don't even cover, but that I'm covering up that whites are being targeted. I'll just mention. Hey, there are attacks on whites.

They're intensifying. There's a crowd statistics. It's very sad. This is being hyped. They want to get a race war going. Whites will start responding mentally ill criminal responding whites responding and then it could build towards a crescendo and you see George Soros and the media pushing

for this to federalize police after a summer of rage coming up this summer. This is it. This is the big one with Obama with a year and a half left to try to ram through a bunch of federalization gun control. You name it. So that's the dumb prediction we can now two years after look back and there was not a summer of rage.

I actually had kind of a summer of rage and that I was drunk through most of it. I was raging pretty good. Yeah, but there was not a crackdown. There's not a federalization of the police. What is that? Is that would that be good or bad? What do you mean federalizing the police force?

I've never ever heard that before. Well, what would that even entail when he's talking about specifically is he's responding to comments that like Al Sharpton made after the Charleston shooting and he was talking about how in the civil rights time, we needed to involve the federal government and states rights was the bad guy because the idea that states could decide that blacks can't vote and that sort of thing was a real problem.

I've never seen states rights used in that kind of context except for most of the time. I would have guessed that states rights generally is a really, really bad thing used by really, really bad states. So even even Sharpton's argument about that isn't saying states can't decide anything. It's that in issues such as human rights, you need to have the federal government over seed to some extent because pretty

much the only reason that we have one because otherwise you could have like, I don't know, Oklahoma could just be like no blacks. Yeah, I mean you could do that if that was if states decided everything. States rights. Right. States rights.

So probably the free market decide then right all the businesses would flounder in Oklahoma if they did exactly they would have no fucking God. I hate wouldn't work out that way. No, of course not. So Sharpton was arguing that in terms of he was responding also to other incidents where much like that situation you just mentioned cops kill African Americans and they don't get

punished. They either slap on the wrist or they try and bury it. He's talking about systematic racism. The federal government needs to get involved because otherwise local state bodies are not taking care of the issue. And every every major advancement for any kind of racial justice has always come from the top down because quite frankly always come from federal government quite frankly most

people are for it. Yeah, but in small pockets they're not right and those pockets are densely populated in shitty states. Yeah, so Alex's big fear is this idea of federalization of the police force and that would be the government the evil government that he has in his head right takes control of all police and they use it to create a crackdown and a police state that ends up in taking away everyone's guns and now we're

in a repressive regime. Right. Well, see the reason that I fixated on that for a second is because I had never heard that before and my instinct whenever he says it's a bad thing. It's a good thing. Is federalizing police good? Yeah.

Did somebody have a plan for this that they didn't tell me about and I just hadn't heard that this was a great idea? 80% of the time you can know whatever the right thing is is exactly the opposite of what Alex is saying. But this this thing I actually do kind of feel like would be much more likely to be on the negative side if there were a giant like there's a whole reason that the National Guard exists inside the borders and the army doesn't.

Right. If you had a federal police system that was completely and utterly above things you know much larger or you know if everybody became the FBI as we all know about the FBI their intentions are not always good new and generally can be very bad. I agree. I agree with that in principle and the idea of a completely

federalized police force is not a good one. Yeah. But it's not what people are arguing for. They're arguing for some federal input to help contain and deal with situations that local and state governments are unwilling to. Right. Exactly.

That's that is what that is. It's the same thing with the misunderstanding gun control versus taking your guns. Yeah. It's a lack of nuance and knee jerk propagandist fear and so that's that's that's the boat he's in. I have cut out a Paul Joseph Watson report from this episode because I knew that you could excellent.

You couldn't handle it. Excellent. Thank you very much Dan. It is all is all just about how whites are the real victims. Oh my God. It's a disaster. Oh my God. So I cut that out entirely.

But in this next clip we get back to the idea of whether or not the Charleston shooting was fake. Alex again is wrestling with it and it's so clear to me in this clip that he wants to say it's fake but just can't pull the trigger. So those are just some of the angles here. He's been apprehended. Who knows how obvious this will get if it is some type of

staged event and it could be. I'm not saying it's a staged event but our government and criminal elements have done things like this before the pastor was a state senator. Done. 14 years proven the pastor killed in Charleston. That's all I needed to know. So it's very very very very suspicious.

So this is a particular place that you want to say it. Well you say it just say it come out and say it. That's such bad radio. No you want to say it such long pauses and he's it's clear that he's just like I can't fuck it's that evil twin. It's the same. It's the evil twin holding him back. It's the same thing he did immediately following the

pizza gate thing where he had the new information about the pizza gate which was our government has done stuff like this before so it could have been I'm just asking questions. Yeah it's it's it's just plausible it's plausible. I'm just asking questions. It's bad reporting and it's bad broadcasting because it's all just insinuation and it's all and the idea that he's like it's suspicious that this is the place that was targeted.

It's one of it's an incredibly historic black church. So it's not suspicious that that was what was targeted by a racist who wanted to start a race war. Yeah it's a very sacred place to a lot of people and has a rich history. So it's not it's not suspicious at all. You know it's fascinating to me about the race war arguments that people who think that the race war is coming is most of

them think that it will be all on one side like all white people versus all black people I'm signing with the black people. Most people do not realize that there's a good chunk of us who would be like nah dude we are not on the white racist side on this one. No we're kind of look I'm white but I'm not real happy about

00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:25,400 I'm not thrilled. I mean it's great. I'm not all the stuff is nice. I think it's an important distinction to make to that neither of us are ashamed of the fact that we're we happen to be white. That's not the case but we recognize the history of white people in this country and throughout the world and not all of its bad but there is a very very serious history of

oppression. Most of it is bad because if you ever read a history book and the net the sentence you read is then and then white people showed up you go oh fuck no no that's not going to end well. I mean even on our last episode we completely destroyed Guatemala for bananas right like it's we pretended it was about communism but it really wasn't well it's it like the

everybody the Louis C K bit is perfect where it's like listen being white is not inherently better white people are not inherently better but being white is obviously better right and like we get so many yeah we get so many advantages that we just raped and murdered our way into like it's not a good system and it's not ultimately a good system for us either though but of course if you have this kind of privilege the idea of somebody equalizing things to you means

they're taking away your privilege right right it doesn't mean that everybody is being equalized it means you're being lowered right and that's why people get fucked up about it people think of it as a I this is being taken from me and given to them it says people look at it as a zero some game yeah my game it's both yeah if they gain everybody gains yeah it is always a good thing if more people have more mm-hmm the idea that and that's especially the most

fundamental things yeah yeah yeah well and that's the thing that drives me insane about the the whole reaganomics idea which is like well the rich people need as much as they can to give us some when it's just if if poor people had more money they would buy more shit we'd all have more money or maybe some of them with really good ideas would create businesses that become innovative and I come to you look at exactly you know like if you make opportunities more

available more are available for everyone yeah it boggles my mind how you can't understand that now trickle down baby mm-hmm so in this next clip Alex gets pretty defensive about his guns and he says some guns does Alex have I gotta be a lot right can't even imagine it's gotta be a shit ton of this is this clip is really weird and he basically pleads guilty to a crime he was not accused of can we bring the Barrett 50 cows in here if Weldon can get those I don't

you know one is brown and the other is black so see I discriminate when it comes to guns I like them I like them black or like them brown or like them green like the incredible I don't like shiny chrome ones and they even seem like for I guess no warfare they've got white bodies that go on guns you know I'm kind of discriminatory I don't like white guns but I'll assure you my Barrett 50 caliber rifles have never been used in any murders period not mine the 50

cowl itself has never been used in a murder it's been used in one crime and there are hundreds of thousands of the Barrett alone in circulation in the U.S. I can't I couldn't figure out what that one crime was I have my guns have never murdered anybody. Right after that very very specific thing to say after that what he thinks is a bit the I don't like white guns fake laugh.

So that yeah the like no one said that your guns have been used in murders and then he goes on to defend the gun should we have asked you if your guns have been used in murders I'm saying he's a guilty conscience. So he says that the this Barrett 50 cowl has never been used in murders and then he starts crying about nonc was only been one crime kill not to put him down I miss you know kept trying to make him drown or whatever.

So the thing about that that's slightly misleading is a Barrett 50 cowl is a fucking huge gun. That's what I was thinking of 50 caliber is a very large bullet one of those guns that you have to like prop up to you basically those guns that you see people with the like comical cartoon version of ammunition. It's basically that you set up a position and prop the gun up on a tripod and use it the idea of carrying it with you is

impossible. It's like Rambo shit. It's out of movies. No one would ever use that it's like the idea that like no one has ever used this in a murder. Of course it's just unwise. It's like it's like Terminator 2 using the minigun to hold up a liquor store like dude just calm it down man.

AK-47s can be stealthily hidden on your back to some extent and handguns are way more useful than a fucking Barrett 50 caliber. So anyway I use it to go hunting right. I mean that's even seems like unnecessary. It's even well I also I also use it to go chopping down trees. I use it to scare the government lest they get out of control. Yeah that's more of what it is.

I mean it's basically a military gun. Yeah no of course it well assault rifles are military guns. You can't totally. There's no reason to have an assault rifle. I'm 50 50 on it. I do believe that some piece of the we should be armed in case the government gets out of line. I think some of that argument is reasonable.

Yeah but we're all thinking it's more and more reasonable as time goes on. I mean I know I know the point that whatever the government has is way bigger and better than anything we could possibly have. I do know that is true also but I have a number of friends. I mean I grew up in Central Missouri right and there's a lot of people who are really big into guns and they aren't

crazy and they're very responsible about it. And so the fact that like that community does exist. I know that there are a pocket of people who are into guns and are just like I keep them because I'm interested in guns and I want to be armed in case I have to protect guns make your dick hard. There's a bit of that too. That's that's what it is.

Guns make your dick hard. But if you make you feel like you're powerful but if you're responsible and you're not hurting anybody I don't think that's a bad thing. No that's fine. And if you let me shit. Yeah look auto around the auto erotic officiation is pretty great too.

If you're careful it's what it is. Yeah can kill you but if you're careful exactly go for it. If it makes your dick hard and that's what you need that's fine. I'm fine with that. But for real there's no reason to have an assault rifle. Now it's true but I do know some people who have them and they're responsible with them and I would trust them to own

them. It's it's not it's it's not for hunting purposes. It's right right. Weird defense fantasy and it is a fantasy. I disagree with it but at the same time I get the principle right and I'm not well I'm not going to say everyone shouldn't have assault rifles. I think that but again it comes down to what gun control

is make sure that people who will use them for ill don't have them. Yeah or make it harder for them to get them. Well even though it's illegal or at least legally murky to actually study the results of guns because our gun lobbies are so amazing that they made it a law. You can't research it they won't give you any funding for it lest you find out the truth exactly even though that's

the case they can still kind of go back through police reports in the like and in situations where a gun was had and could potentially have been used to defend yourself the good guy with a gun never works ever actually there are very very very few situations where it does work. Fuck you man. Do you have anecdotal evidence from this exact episode. Oh well great then that's all I need I don't need any larger

statistics I just need to know that it happened one time big picture you're totally right but it is actually kind of interesting that the St. James massacre there was a guy in the congregation who was armed and he started shooting at them right and because of that they ended up fleeing right for gunmen and if they hadn't if that guy hadn't been there and shot at them and they fled they had petrol bombs that they were going to throw into the church and it would have

killed so many people so in that individual in one right and there are a couple instances but you're right principle why is it doesn't really work out that way yeah I yeah you know fucking one time something happens it's a infinite universe but on the whole the good guy with the gun theory is complete and utter both totally let's get off this gun topic for a little bit because Alex wants to take a transition and talk a little bit about the idea that black people are taking

white people's women yeah let's get off guns and get back into racism and into cucking you know me I have very low opinions on both yeah this is Alex sort of responding to what Dylan Roof had said about the idea that black people were taking white women all that and Alex sort of doesn't get the point and buys into the narrative a little bit too much this guy looks like mind control but he may have been culturally mind control

alright his statements were reportedly black people are taking over and taking over our women no actually black people's population is not growing and black people are a test model for destroying everybody and are are just in absolute hell with their unemployment doubled and and and just just under total attack yes contrary to what if he is some corn ball you know racist

idiot loser who was brought up to you I mean obviously he was mad he's 21 you think this guy could get a girlfriend fuck you so then he got upset if he really is organic attacker and went out because he thought somebody was quote getting his women spoken like someone that can't get any women oh there it is god damn it god damn you I can't get any women because of the black people know you can't get any women because you're a freak

if you really did this but he's got the thousand yard stare of somebody who's been mind controlled Alex does not know where to land what is going on there he is like he is like a pilot who's trying to come in for a land yeah the tower is like don't do it don't land now not here not here problems on the strip go go anywhere but here yeah so he's he's coming down and his his argument like to a certain extent is he kind of just needed a girlfriend he need to get fucked yeah and

that's that's problematic because it does not a great argument well it but it does have some merit to it no because there's plenty of races to get laid like it's not no I know plenty of horrible bigots who get laid no I'm not saying that I'm saying in this in this particular circumstance is his logic is far more reasonable on that front than it is in so many other cases well just because the other ones are so much exactly so far off base yeah yeah but I'm happier with him saying hey

the real problem is this guy needed to get fucked then him saying it's a false flag that sounds like something someone say on like a shock jock show yeah that would be like Howard Stern exactly guys needs a good bangin you know what that's dumb that's just dumb yeah not horrifyingly offensive it's reductive but it is when you're using that as sort of a buttle to Dylan roofs claims that black people are taking our women that sort of thing first of all the idea of our

women is fucking no we're all on the same team but using that as a rebuttal to that that but when he uses that in context there he is given credence in many ways to Dylan roofs grievance because he is he's responding to it in the you can't get a girlfriend like that sort of thing it's well it's playing in the same ballpark it is but it's it's his version of he's like you can't you can't get fucked but it's not black people's fault it's yeah it's his version of being

fair like that's his idea of like to me it's not a race thing to me you're not mad at race right you're just doing that you're just lashing out because you can't get laid so that takes me off the hook from saying it's about race to right it's just about chauvinism exactly yeah exactly but again we can't talk about toxic masculinity either no no no no no no because that's a globalist plot that's such a classic way that racism racism and the patriarchy kind of dovetail

together is oh we need to protect our women are weak you know willing to be seduced women from these uncouth black people but that's how so much horrible stuff has passed right a lot of drug stuff is about that yeah like it's insane no it's a it's a conscious kind of like racism and sexism are all tied up into one big also it's also heavily driving the porno industry but cucks so remember I was telling you about these also if you donate $10,000 a month you can become a policy

cuck so we will have sex with a we'll have a black dude fuck your wife I don't know I'm not sure how I don't know exactly the I don't know where I was going there or us we'll work out the yeah exactly so you remember just want you to become a policy cuck that's all we want I just wanted to say those two words next to each other $15 a month policy cuck if you if you remember I was telling you about this ain't James massacre in South Africa that Alex was pitching as hey you guys remember

you guys remember the 10 people were 10 white people were killed also I have no evidence that all the victims are white be that as it may Alex has some more thoughts about it he had to eat like I said he talked to David Knight very boringly about it and Alex accidentally which is how everyone talks to David Knight about everything Jesus Alex accidentally said this eating about this years after it happened when I got on air in 95 but there had been a false flag in South

Africa to blame black people and it was never completely proven but it was white gunman white it was never completely proven in fact odd in fact the was it was completely proven it's no was the opposite completely proven kind of so it is still technically a true statement to say that it was never completely proven that I was correct because of the obvious fake fact that I was false so stupid and then at the end there he gets in his it was white gunman and it wasn't so in this next clip

Alex talks about how there are victim disarmament zones that's a that's gun talk for hey we should allow guns and churches and schools and then he goes on he gets back to his Planned Parenthood riff because he knows that David Knight is super against abortion and so he does this I swear to God he thinks it's like a bit he thinks he's doing a good bit like like he's Dennis Miller or some shit coming on a conservative going like yeah.

So it's it's basically what Dennis Miller does racism just work at Planned Parenthood body and mind you know and so here we go. But the other thing that we need to look at from this is the fact that we don't want to create victim disarmament zones like schools like churches and say this is just going to be this nice little peaceful area we don't want to have weapons there weapons and the whole Second Amendment is essentially

about the right to do this if he did it went there and yes, I'm going to trade out I just forgot to do it. I'm going to do it this morning and it's a serious tweet it's not it's not sick humor because they'll spend that you know was everybody should tweet why didn't Dylan Roof just go to work at Planned Parenthood he could carry out the dead black babies every day. Yeah, I mean he could be part of killing 51% of the black

people and then he could be lauded as a hero by Time Magazine why didn't Dylan make a lot of money go out and be a liberal and and and try to teach blacks to kill their children. I mean he wants to kill black people that's the effective way to do it real solid fucking real good argument I don't have the emotional strength to be this angry all day today. I know let's just Dan are you trying to suck the lifeblood out of me yeah kind of but also like let's let's just move on

because that's just so that's so fucking unbelievably racist and bullshit and spinning this it's just unjustifiably bullshit propagandistic narrative that drive so much of my life absolutely insane any time I speak to anybody in my family when they have that kind of like oh well if this then this what about say this you can't say this what about you know the number one killer of black people is abortion so that means I can't be racist because I know that even though

that's not true also contest the premise it's ridiculous so it's that idea of oh I care so I care about black people in the right way right it just so happens that I'm willing to watch them die in every other fucking way because then they've committed sins exactly but so you're bringing up statistics at the bane of the right wing while Alex has some interesting ideas about statistics actually just listen very carefully to what he says here because he he let slip

that he's aware that he's wrong but then minimizes the fact that he has just let slip that he knows he's wrong it's a very interesting clip and I actually think that this Mike down I'm preemptively miking down it's just kind of it's kind of short to the but it's just then I shall leave my mic up look you only put the mic down when I tell you I'm sorry anyway here we go and the truth is Paul Watson broke it down blacks are eight times more likely to attack whites. Now part of

that's police reporting I believe is true towards blacks but the statistics are there and don't lie you should have the mic down because you you missed the most important thing he said there I'm going to play it again or at least after he gives a shout out to Paul Joseph Watson because it's essential to hear him contradict himself within four seconds. Okay. Equites now part of that's police reporting I believe is

somewhat jilted towards blacks but the statistics are there and don't lie. So he's saying that statistics are there and they don't lie and they say that eight times more white people are attacked by black people right before that he said he thinks the statistics are jilted towards black people because of police reporting and that is 100% true. So so prior to saying that the statistics don't lie he said

the statistics lie statistics are lying. Yes. All right. This is a very difficult thing for me to handle. This is the complicated headspace that Alex Jones lives in because he has to push a narrative. Right. He's smart enough to know not necessarily true. Even though this isn't true. I mean I know it's true. I got to push it because I've done it. I have I have a bedrock of racism. I've got to hold up. So this next clip and I want to be totally clear. I'm not cutting out stuff

that like makes all of this OK. And I don't know what kind of redeeming stuff could this like I just have to be the only way as if at the end of every clip that you have played for us I'm saying yeah exactly. I'm saying now this is exactly what an Alex Jones type person would say. Now guys I'm not crazy. I don't believe that. I don't believe any of this bullshit. I'm just I'm priming you guys to fight against it whenever an Alex Jones type says stuff like this. I just I always get

really self conscious that people think that I'm strategically editing things and making it look like he's saying things he's not. I just want to be clear that like most of the stuff that I've cut out is just diversions down the road talking about like the Batman Aurora shooter and Ted Kaczynski. And like he talks a lot about that and it murkies the issue a little bit because he makes the argument that all those people were brain controlled and used for false flag attacks

and stuff like that and I don't have the fucking energy to make this a five hour episode where we break down each and every one of those but most of those are bullshit. Hey you know how we're talking about this one just apply all of the same stuff we say but put different events in there but the same bullshit but some of them are some of them are more interesting than others in the sense that like Ted Kaczynski is way more interesting because he was part of MK ultra studies when he was

at Harvard as a younger man and he was dosed with tons of hallucinogens right that may have set him off on a path that he wouldn't have gone off otherwise that's entirely possible it's fascinating but that does not mean he was being brain controlled in order to bomb people or any of that shit so be that as it may that's most of the stuff that I've cut out and if it was something where see the other thing about that kind of argument is just like well then take it the next

step if we could mind control people to bomb stuff God damn if we wouldn't be doing it all the time like that's the thing that you would see all the time to solve all your problems is just mind control somebody into bombing something well all the narratives that he claims the globalists want pushed would be pushed much harder yeah if that sort of thing were legitimately possible and there were programs in place right where hundreds and thousands of people are being brain

controlled now like perhaps like innocent monkeys in Bastrop exactly now perhaps they're saving that technology until they perfect it no on let's stop for a second follow me here I'm listening all right where would you keep the perfect unbelievable thing to mind control I don't understand the question is phrased okay put them in tanks okay oh fish people fish people okay I get where you're going there we go yeah fish people totally how

else do you defeat nuclear submarines fish people exactly here's what we need all comes together now mind controlled fish people with bombs destroy submarines I like where you're going and that's why that was what Alex was talking about years ago it's because back then they only had fish people but they've been working on reptilian people oh they've got reptilian you need you need water and landing amphibious you need amphibious people so they're working on that probably

any day I would go with I would go with your best bet though is for speed sent our people Jesus lizard people Jesus lizard people walk on water there we go this is fucking stupid so I think we got screwed up whenever he started talking about peacocks now all I can think about is different that's a great way animals yeah so this next clip he minimizes the deaths of the people at that church very insulting Lee and then says something that is so not true about liberals and

it is this awesome thing that he always does where he pretends there's a conversation he's had with somebody and then turns them into a demon voice and it's pretty fun it's funny but at the same time total bullshit hundreds of thousands of people die here in auto accidents but they're not hyping it as the end of the world but mass shootings boy they get hyped like it's the end of the world and it is very sad you can personalize it a cold-blooded killer sitting there for an hour of people

before he starts exterminating them that's your that's your song in the media that's your mass shooting song humanizing Reaper what happened thanks people to cause as much pain as possible well the folks are dead it's not going to bring them back humanizing babies though will get people to stop killing their kids I don't care what color they are and that's the real litmus test every so-called liberal I've talked to this pro-abortion will then when a camera and on go nobody wants

these poor black people you gonna take care of them including blacks Reverend shoulders is joining us and I just don't get how I'm supposed to get all sad and freak out about non-dead people I mean I don't like it but I'm really upset about how they're going to create racial division fuck you Alex is missing the point but you Alex Jones he's embodying much the creation of racial division every single word that he says is the worst word ever can you imagine these liberals

that he talks to off camera fucking Christ I just want to kill black people back what are you gonna take care of these black people nobody wants black people I don't know who he's pretending to talk to even liberals but who I don't understand liberals I do who we all talk like these are people who have to have been on camera at some point liberals so they've got to be famous liberals may talk to Alex Jones and express their actual opinions off camera that's the only way I express my

opinions off camera to Alex Jones you should guys you should listen to my opinions off this show let me tell you something also we videotape all of these shows we just don't show you the video we're on camera right now and we are I am also constantly in contact with Alex Jones this is this whole this whole show is a false flag yeah that's what this really is also we live stream this but we just don't give anyone the link it's intentional it's a lesser magic exercise so Alex

is fucking stupid as shit there he does not understand at all that like my experience of the Charleston shooting was great sadness and empathy and from everything that I experienced with people around me it was a unifying moment it was it was not a fuck whitey kind of moment it wasn't a white people are evil it wasn't until white people started being evil about it that you have to go oh white people are evil well like Alex yeah like if Alex had just come out and been like this is a

horrible thing but I don't think it should be used as a an excuse to take guns away from people at the very least you go that's a that's a thought we understand your position if that's what your position is that's fine yeah when you start justifying it by well this isn't really a problem because of black people it's a problem because you guys don't care about abortion also white people are really the victims here's two fake examples of past shootings exactly blah blah blah blah

also then you're then you're the reason that I think white people are evil it's because of you that was and like I said it was it was a unifying moment where I think I think most people saw it as a as a call to care and respect each other more as opposed to a let's fucking feud right and I think that's most of the left experienced it that way generally that's it's it's I mean I keep I keep thinking about this like the difference between the left and the right and the way we

respond to this to stuff and why we're being so soundly defeated on all fronts right now yeah is because the left always seeks to empathize or at least that's one of the hallmarks of being on the left is the idea of empathizing with even the people who you don't agree with yes like like why are there so many think pieces of like oh we went out to Trump country and we wanted to see how they feel about Trump right now as Trump is fucking over their lives yeah like who

gives a shit right it's it's empathizing and understanding to a fault exactly we're trying to understand them and to see if there's some way that we can get through to them do you understand that that's why I'm going back to June of 2015 just study Alex Jones from the moment Donald Trump announced his candidacy right it's exactly that I want to understand right I want to understand what happened to him right but if you're on the right you don't you don't want to understand it

now you want to capitalize on a demonize you want to and it's not everybody on it's something that you want to use to support yourself it's something that you want to use to reinforce your black and white belief not not you know like that but isn't true or untrue exactly the the the absolutes yeah that's what you're always trying to reinforce that we are good and they're evil yeah and so anything that we determine to be evil is so bad that we don't care well I mean even

think about like I think like like he just said I don't know why I'm supposed to care about this it's nine people dead who cares yeah I don't I don't like it yeah exactly like it but why do I care I don't need to empathize with people I don't need to know how these people would feel I don't care because he refuses to take things in their proper context of course because he lacks reading comprehension he lacks fact integration abilities those sorts of things so as I mentioned

at the top of this episode this episode is an exercise and Alex Jones trying to find his foothold he's climbing up a mountain essentially the mountain that is propped up in front of him he had no idea that this mountain was coming it's the world has put a giant roadblock in his way and he's got to get over it somehow right and so he's trying he's trying to figure out is the argument going to be this is fake is it going to be this guy is crazy is it going to be

about medication is it going to be all of these past instances what am I going to do fuck and nothing is really sticking until at the end of the episode towards the end of the episode he has Reverend Childress on for an interview and Childress is the Sherpa that lets him climb Mount false flag exactly and this clip is long and we're going to pause whenever you need to it's about five minutes long but the reason that I kept it as one clip is because it shows a metamorphosis you

can hear Alex figuring it out and being like this is the plan this is the plan and it's something that's really interesting is that like he is that adaptable that in the moment he's like oh there's the key there I got I got it and also I should note that jacari Jackson is sitting in at this point completely silent he says maybe a couple words and whenever he starts talking Alex cuts him off Jesus Christ Alex might be part of my ongoing study of why jacari quit but

this that this is this is wild this I really think this is revealing the trials and travails of jacari Jackson this is done just before the Juneteenth or Juneteenth celebrations this weekend. You will have the nation African Americans gathering together for black pride a lot of it is basically some of it to blame the established order for our issues and problems but they're going to be gathered I'm gonna skip this break is too important

I'm sorry last break I'm skipping but please continue this is bombshell so everybody gets together gets motivated and then is directed by Obama go after the guns so take the tragedy take all the pain the whole history of abuse and then fuse it in as a weapon of anti gun it's genius it's perfect timing well yes I hate to say it's evil genius but it's genius because you have some of these speakers at these rallies that are basically let's face it I'm an African American they hate

America and they will take this this will be the topic of every speech in every celebration across America this weekend. Wow you really tied it all together last night I've been talking about it I've been having an ominous bad feeling. I'm sorry you've been saying that for a while and I said I think it can be race war because I can see all this hype and by race war I mean everybody you know idiots white and black

killing each other won't be like a general like everybody kills each other me and Jakar you know go get in a fist fight but but they're hyping this discord hyping this manipulation and I was on the Red Guard website Facebook and I was looking at their LA chapter in their Oregon chapter and it was like the time's coming the only good pigs a dead pig you know we're warming up we're getting ready and then I learned their foundation funded they got professors handling them and

they're really coming out of dry ice activating everywhere. That idea of so that's that's kind of brilliant there that that they've got professors handling them because that ties all of it together it's not look it's it's again it's the elites it's the elites manipulating all of these people that even goes back to John Rappaport's colleges are brain institutions exactly all of this stuff of like there and it provides him more cover underneath that like

no it's not a race situation these black people would also be on our side if they weren't being funded and manipulated and all of these things so it's not race I'm not racist I am against being manipulated and these people we need to wake them up so that we can all come together well we need to let them know that their problems have nothing to do with race I would be remiss if I didn't point out that what he's talking about is like the Red Guard and like these these organizations

aren't necessarily all black there's also white people who are being misled by these professors of course because that's something that he thinks is even worse there's all the well because there are traitors to the team well why is it he wouldn't put it that way but it's underneath the surface it's always it's like that's the thing that's the blacked out the blacked out white people that's the thing that always gets me that they never quite crossed that line of understanding

like hey this isn't about race but somehow I'm angrier at white people who aren't supporting me yeah like don't you don't you for a second think maybe if I think of these people as traitors I think of those people as the bad guys and conversely the people who are fighting against them as the good guys exactly which is even more murky that's even worse yeah by by the idea of you saying I don't like this more that is revealing what it is that you're doing yeah it shows

where your priorities are absolutely um I don't think we should have a race for but I'm just angrier when my race is against me yeah yeah that's a good that's what it is yeah also I want to say that I fucking love Jacari Jackson's voice he has got a great voice I like listening back to these episodes I'm pissed he's not still dude he has got a bomb radio voice yeah it's so great and watching him just ambivalently sit there silently while Alex

pontificates great because it seems like he wants to be like well but he never does he doesn't want to be fired and that's just a sign like a fever blister right rising up or or or eczema that you're sick inside the sores are coming up and the super hardcore left is like activating right now and getting ready to make their move and the red flags are coming out I'm telling you this summer is going to be big and I if they hype this enough then racist blacks are going to kill

whites racist whites are going to kill blacks mentally ill people are going to start doing stuff and they could really kick something off I'm really concerned and it's also two weeks three weeks away from the NAACP convention in Philadelphia perfect timing where I will be at to doing my thing but we won't talk about reverend shoulders in part more deep knowledge and discernment on us because this just makes me nauseated to see us played whether it was staged or not

they're going to use the crisis to go after the guns and stir everybody up and divert from the anti human agenda that's particularly aimed at black people from the globalist I will clearly say this and I don't there's not a person in America that could doubt me on this that if you are going to do something like this this is the perfect time people are making their speeches now but what they're going to say Saturday and some begin on Friday even all through the weekend so if

you're going to have a theme across America Thursday's perfect to African Americans this is this is the day this is the day we we finalize our sermons for the pulpit this this is it and I'm saying to myself who is doing this I don't want to really believe who's doing it but it's it's obvious people who are very well well well endowed well you know situated and are in a position to profit from it so I was on the phone this morning when I heard about when we discussed this

in a sterile I said come on look at the timing on this look at look at who's doing it look that speech he gave as he left what will course will now be being said across America and now they admit he was on this amnesiac drug oh yeah my control drug this guy doesn't seem that smart to pull it off I agree with what Reverend children it takes a lot of will I don't mean interrupt it takes a lot of will to reload and kill nine just to echo off what he was saying you know yeah he may

very well had these tendencies to go out here and do this but if let's say he was in his white supremacist group or whatever and he mentions this to people like well if you're going to do what you may try to do it you know this week you know just and they would have a federal handler in there like it at Elohim city should have probably lost center winding everybody up yeah it's a great points months ago this was was was planned they they you know you know you have a very very skilled

enemy months ago this kid is was prepped for this this week and this there's events going on in Selma this weekend there's events going on in every major movies have come out everything's been time just like Pearl Harbor came out right before 9 11 and again I must say the government did 9 11 they they allowed it to take place that's now been basically linked and declassified you you can see the whole roll out I'm so glad I got you on because that would crystallize it all

for me is there I mean that was a fucking long clip and I apologize but I think it played it's it's better if it plays as a whole because that you can see his his mindset transforming yeah entirely from oh fuck we figured it out here's how we do it this Reverend Childress has given me a couple pieces of important information that I would have no way of knowing otherwise he's weaving them into a conspiracy tap tapestry and I'm going to put that over my

dinner table and make it set piece right I lost myself I don't know where that metaphor went but I lost myself in it I believe you but he I mean that's that's a hundred percent what's going on the whole rest of the episode he's been trying to figure out how to make this cohesive and now he has this interview with the minister who tells him Juneteenth is coming up and that Thursdays are when you formalize your speeches for the pulpit on Sunday yep and like oh fuck and I'll be honest

I mean Childress is way like he's on board like he's the one who like I'm not saying that he's being manipulated to Alex's agenda he's on board with it I think he's I think he's like like they're spiraling together yeah like each of them is coming at it from a different angle and they're just spinning towards each other like the toilet bowl of lunacy that they're together in well it's like Childress threw up an alley up for Alex to that's that's basically it also he runs a

website called black genocide dot org man boy you just sure can't throw genocide into whatever it is you want to say now I believe he is also one of like he has a lot of feelings about the the abortion being a genocidal thing and religion so I think that is super interesting because you you get this sense that Alex Jones is all his brain is always working in terms of like trying to figure out how to how to spin things up till that point up to the interview he did the best

he could he brought up these other instances like Timothy McVeigh Unabomber Sirhan Sirhan and shit he brought he brought them up and he was doing his best he could but he couldn't quite figure out how to make it like this instance why what is what is going on other than the idea of creating a race war which is what Dylan Roof said he wanted to do right so that would just be like oh no that's a racist who's trying to well the fascinating thing about his his bringing up all

of those other things is that they were all uniformly right wing terror attacks but what about Sirhan Sirhan okay that kind of Ben I'll give him that and even the Aurora shooter is is more just a crazy person that didn't have political leanings necessarily I don't think it didn't I don't think so I think it was sold as a Batman thing but if I recall well maybe it was just he was you know what you might be right he was just trying to kill as many people as he could

so he chose he chose that theater not because of the Batman thing but because he wanted to murder people but then he played it up yeah he played up the theme right he was going to carry out the Joker and all that stuff yeah but and but a lot of okay so fine the the point that I'm I want to make those yeah the point that I want to make still stands is that Ruby Ridge with with that we go you have the luxury of the general consciousness of thinking of those not as right wing

terror attacks those are not the same thing as the way that we think about any kind of mass shooting with a Muslim involved with it it's always terror attack white people can pull these right wing terror attacks which are the most common form of terrorism in the United States white people doing right wing murders yeah that's the most common form of terrorism happens a bit and even though he brings up these very similar right wing terror attacks you don't associate

the two together because he gets to pull this stuff on Dylan Roof as being a guy trying to incite a race war a guy trying to do all of these other things a possible false flag all of this shit but it's never then brought back to the fact that it is the same right wing terrorism as a Timothy McVeigh it's the same bullshit but the luxury of I think white people murdering is you get to treat each one as if it's individual right that is that that is privileged I think that's the

point that I'm trying to make it took a long way to get there that's privileged to a certain extent but I also think I slightly disagree with you okay just in the sense that I don't think Dylan Roof had evolved political leanings I think he from everything that I've read about him was just a radicalized bigot like I think he was just how does that not have political leanings it does but not in the same way as Timothy McVeigh like Timothy McVeigh was wrong about a lot of stuff

right but most of what motivated him was a feeling that most of the work of the government was oppressive to the individual yeah that sort of thing to me that has maybe it's just because it directly involves the government as opposed to just a race right so so to you it's different than like than like a KKK kind of situation right well which is more along the lines of what Dylan Roof was but he the KKK had political leanings themselves so exactly but I don't see any way that

you can kill a specific if you can go into a black church and kill those people without having all of the political connotations that it is involved with let me defend myself slightly on my disagreement with you okay I think that that was second stage second stage in his motivations because he wanted to start a race war but the reason he wanted to well he wanted to get fucked and he couldn't so then he started a race third stage that's all we that's what we all know third stage wanted to get

fucked then couldn't had to start a race war right but the the third step beyond that is to reform the government that should be oppressing blacks more or whatever in his conception yeah but that's secondary to his actual motivations which were culturally racist right whereas with Timothy McVeigh I sincerely believe from everything I understand his primary motivations were against directly the state of the government and so yeah but see here's here's again I'm making a very

small point but the point that I'm making is exactly that okay you are looking into these things specifically enough to find the differences between them now you go to a new story today a Muslim person kills Christians or a Muslim person blows up a mall for capitalism right are those going to be researched thoroughly or they both going to be tied to you you know Islamic terrorism well now you're talking about sort of reporting as a whole I would look at them differently

certainly in the same way that I'm looking at these two different that is that is that is yes but culturally you're right that is that is my point like yes yes of course you would because because I would yeah in the same way but the point is in the larger consciousness they would be lumped together whereas these two are not totally so now it God that took a long time to get to I feel like that's my fault no it's not it's both of our fault because we have a slight disagreement

but mostly agreement but let's let's now take a moment to eat some parsley because we're done with the Charleston portion of the show alright thank God Charleston will come up again in a future episode god damn it sorry but for now for the rest of this episode we're done with it and to cleanse our I have a clip here we're just going to listen to Al's murder peacocks for about 20 minutes nope this is this is a clip of Alex talking about some of his run-ins with cops that I

now I'm back on board I don't think edit out the prior hour and 45 minutes of the show I just want to listen to this I don't think he's telling the truth about any of this but here we go I mean I've been to jail for protesting and had him in the Travis County jail for no reason didn't smart off nothing run my head in the wall give me a little bruise wasn't that hard and then the jail they could bruise me that hard I'm too much of a man I have the New York police when they

arrest me for protesting take my handcuffs off in the jail bay five cops and go you want to do something go ahead and make a swing and then sit there and start talking trash Jimmy and I was like are you kidding I said are you really about to attack me and say I attacked you I said whatever he watched the show Oz no I think it's that scene with bird from the wire oh yeah you're right I think cuz you're right yeah that's bullshit yeah but anyway I think he cannot tell the difference

between truth and fantasy the clip is not done he has more stuff to say but at the same time it's like that didn't happen no of course that didn't happen well that's so that's a movie yeah exactly or that's literally the wire yeah and they had some guy come up and taught me in the jail cell you got a small dick Alex and I'm not even going to that the point is it wasn't cuz I was the most of them were white in that precinct and I was white white you got some mentally ill jerks who want power who

get in there and instead of running them out of the departments they're trying to put them in departments many cities but is that a racial issue power maybe there's a stereotype that black people commit more crimes because of the type of crime and what's happened those cultures maybe that's true but but and there's probably some racism too but in the final equation little bit having a war with the police is about bringing in chaos so no one wants a war with the police no nobody does no even

militant groups don't want a war with the police no that is that is no one want that is that is and it goes back again if you push people far enough they will think this is the only option I have sure that's it yeah that's what it is nobody wants this what people want is justice yeah if that if that fucking murderer who killed Terrence crunch terrace Terrence god damn it I'm I'm sorry who killed Terrence if she went to prison for life nobody would be like oh my god now we have to

get all the cops people would be celebrating because they would feel like fuck we can trust the justice system a little bit more that would be the celebration it wouldn't be that this bitch goes to jail no it would be that thankfully we can finally trust the justice system a little bit more that's it nobody wants nobody wants to kill cops but people really don't want to be killed by cops yeah yeah and that's the nuance that's lacking in Alex Jones understanding of the world but so

many people's understanding of the world now we get to the next phase of this June 18th episode in 2015 as I mentioned the reason that I went back here and I had forgotten that Trump's announcement and the Charleston shooting were so close together I had forgotten that as well so that was a real surprise to me and it's just something that I knew we needed to cover if we were going to be talking about this that's one of those things where you look back on it and you're like oh

is that like the demon sacrifice that leapt that launched Trump into the fucking atmosphere well I mean think about he announced his candidacy on the 16th and then on the 17th was the Charleston shooting and also on the 17th was when he said that comment about Mexicans Mexicans yeah the they're bringing their rapists I'm sure some of them are some of the people are good people right I'm paraphrasing God how did the oh fuck America the reason that I fuck all the reason that

I embarked on this and me exploration and analysis is because I wanted to know where down the line Alex decided to support Trump right that is my primary focus in this investigation I will find the exact day and then we will understand maybe a little more probably not but I'm going to try you will find the exact day you will also write the date and shit on your wall probably you will have lost your mind really blood I will have navy people take you out of here

and put you into a white van yeah then I'll be like I got a so then the show will be very pro Alex Jones somehow we're gonna show up my toilet gonna be full of concrete it's gonna be crazy so what I did find in this episode which like I said is two days after Trump has announced his candidacy he ends the show with an interview with a guy named Larry Nichols are you aware of Larry Nichols at all I recall the name I don't know that Larry is a Clinton insider oh fuck me who I'm already

you all right all right let's do this I'm gonna sit down I'm gonna buckle into my chair and we're gonna fucking make it through Clinton insider bullshit let's go Alex Jones has interviewed him as Alex says maybe 20 to 30 times over the years but hasn't been on in a long time because the threat of the Clintons hasn't existed right the reason that I think that this interview is incredibly important is because his support of Trump is clearly based on a hatred of Hillary and well

that was yeah but we can we can that was large scale support for Trump but we can crystallize that based on the fact that Trump has announced his candidacy two days before this he has no interest in him right he has not mentioned him at all right now he has this point even to Alex Trump is still a joke and in the same way that that interview with Reverend Childress was transformational in Alex's being able to call it a false flag this interview with Larry Nichols I believe is

fully transformative and sets the stage for Alex accepting Trump as a potential candidate really this interview is incredibly fucked up okay and really scary and once I break down to you throughout the course of this just who Larry Nichols is it's going to become even worse I'm going to let the first clip play and you can see the beginnings of the interview what this guy is all about we know bad stuff's coming what is she happening well it's exactly what you and I had

talked about years ago thankfully thanks to you and other programs we stopped it you know Bill was using if you'll recall Alex Jesse Jackson remember Jesse Jackson was supposed to start riots in five major cities and then Bill Clinton would of course have to prepare martial law and once they get the provisional government rule in then they get to be king forever the fuck are you talking about we stopped it by making it public well now we've got problems they're festering it up and no

you're so right it's not about race Alex I mean yeah there's the underpinning of race the folks all of this that's going on is about power power and the Clintons absorb power like we take in sunshine now the thing that's going on today you have to be so careful so very careful because at any time you know they're going to start tip for that we kill some black guys somebody kill some white guys black guys kill some more black guys and then you end up in this total chaos and when that

happens all bets are off and whoever is sitting folks whoever is in power when this thing collapses they become king or queen yep so that that's sort of his introduction so that's that is like whoever's in power gets to become king or queen is like hey finally Trump is in power and he gets to become king well it's not yet that's not their conception also I am sick of white people with southern accents telling me it's not about race not about race y'all it's it guys it's bad optics

guys come on yeah you have a southern accent at the very least hide it better boy how do I tell you it's not about yeah oh no it ain't about raise around here fog horn leg horn telling you it's not about the chicken it's it's always the people who fucking want that race were so much who say oh well it's going to start the tit for tat yeah then we're going to be justified it's just going to start the war and it's just going to go back and forth and then it's going to be hey

we don't have a choice and we don't have a choice and the way they always presented is blacks do something and then whites have to respond it's a retaliation it's never it's never about the systematic racism that's going on that causes black people to mostly legitimately protest that causes that shit yeah it doesn't cause murders but it causes essentially protest nobody is fucking protesting because shit is going so great yeah and no one's protesting because they want

freebies or some shit no so I agree with you Larry is bad optics in terms of his accent I'm not a big fan of Larry so far so I caught out a bunch of shit because it was nonsense and it's just about like Vince Foster getting or Mr. Nichols if you're racist or if you're nasty there's a bunch of shit that I cut out about like Vince Foster's murder right and how Larry Nichols along with I think that's one thing that we do need to stop we need to stop calling it Vince Foster's murder right

sorry see do you see how you get that you get that narrative you're already on the defensive by calling it Vince Foster's murder I should have called it death we're talking about Vince Vince Foster's suicide Vince Foster's very suspicious suicide he's not suspicious at all suicide it is a little weird it is a little weird in the same way that the the Fox News fucks are making that one dude Seth Rich yeah yeah I wasn't going to say his name because fuck you if you think that matters yeah

but it's the same way that there once you frame the conversation that way now before I even start talking to you I'm on the defensive well the only difference is that Vince Foster did kill himself and yeah so it's not Vince Foster's murder but it's Vince Foster's suicide that's Seth Rich was murdered I agree so it's a little different it's just the they're contextualizing his actual murder in a bad way as opposed to inventing a murder whole clock yes but it's still

that same conspiracy bent of it was a murder because of this right what's more important is that Larry is coming on the show and he has he has a very specific message for Alex and it's incredibly fucked up and I think it's you can see it if you watch the video of this episode you can see Alex start to get it you can see the pieces and the cogs in his brain start to move and this clip is really where it like you can you can see it in his face like I'm starting to get it I'm a savior

I am the savior of the world so you think this is a full on Jesus complex thing that's being developed over time listen to this clip and tell me I'm wrong okay but remember these people have certain goals they won't and they're going to get them and the reason Alex I think and that's about it because I told him years ago 20 something years ago of the goals that they were going to accomplish and here they are. Break down some of their goals what they want who they work for

where they're going. Right now what they want is to get absolute control of government because once you control government to make the rules the next thing they want to do they want to move us into full more communism it can kind of tickle it's not funny but here you got O'Bernie Sanders a socialist running against Hillary nobody will tell the truth you got a socialist against the communists they want to become a communist society

then they want to take the Middle East quiet because if you can destabilize the Middle East Alex now the communists knew this 20 years ago if you can destabilize the Middle East that's a tough goal to accomplish tough to destabilize the Middle East boy that one's a hard sell let's pause there for a second I don't know if you can sell I don't know if you could destabilize the Middle East that's the the goal you're going for Jesus Christ can't quite figure out how to achieve

that goal has Trump brought peace to the Middle East yet to defend the Russian narrative recording this over the weekend he's on his trip and at press time he is still not delivered Islam he's probably cause a world war God Stephen Miller is writing that speech that's insane I don't nothing is real nothing is real yeah so I mean yeah we hate Muslims but this speech is going to bring us all together yeah thanks to Stephen Miller noted race baiting Muslim hater so I mean yeah

destabilizing the Middle East that's their end goal congratulations you can just do nothing you guys before you even started you did a great job before America was even like a kernel of an idea yeah in people's minds the Middle East was in trouble like in the Bible it's in trouble so like that in the Quran it's in trouble yeah so that's that's weird but now the the end of this clip gets to my point about Alex and his supposed place in the world gotcha and so all of this is

moving that away and Hillary let me make a prediction number one Jeff Bush going to be the Republican nomination for president for the Republicans and Hillary going to be the next president unless Alex you you but he get on a boat of lightning and somehow can get the tea party to rise up together and stop it Jesus fucking Christ so you see there that was that was the call to action for our our hero this is our hero's journey right there you that was the call to action yeah yeah this is some

J Joseph Campbell straight out of the fucking central casting so now it's time to talk about Larry Nichols who is this twangly voiced old man on the phone this fucking just personification of old white Southern privileged white dude he presents himself as someone who was with Bill Clinton from the beginning from before he was ever in office right so he's Arkansas Ian he is okay but the reality is that there's no evidence that

his relationship with Bill Clinton predates Bill Clinton being governor of Arkansas he was hired by Bill Clinton when he was governor in 1988 he was hired as the marketing director for the Arkansas Development Finance Authority the Associated Press reported that he made 642 long distance calls on state expense on behalf of the Contras in Nicaragua Jesus dude these calls were for real these calls were made to Nicaragua for real and to senators

and politicians who supported the Contras for real for real Jesus Christ dude 642 calls that are easily traced because of this Clinton fired him oh yeah so he got fired immediately insider Nichols insider Nichols soon he got fired for being too close to the truth making too many close phone calls Vince Foster so Nichols sued Clinton for improper dismissal and used this as a platform to smear Clinton during his 1990 reelection campaign much of

what we know now is the Clinton conspiracies come directly from Larry Nichols almost all of it really the Vince Foster the yep the idea of the Mina Arkansas airport the drug running that was going through that yeah it all came from him he brought forth a bunch of women who Bill was having affairs with some of them real some of them not right on January yeah which before we go any further nobody's nobody here between the two of you between the two of us is going to say that Bill Clinton is not

the very least mostly a rapist yeah totally he's a super rapist he's a real bad bro he's a real bad bro but at the same time even really terrible people can be the victims of misinformation campaigns yeah and I would like Bill Clinton to be responsible for the things that he has done I would like him to be held responsible that's what I mean yeah exactly but at the same time the stuff that's not true is absolutely irresponsible right and it is poisoned by our discourse absolutely so in January on January 25th

1992 Nichols announced that he was dropping his lawsuit against Bill Clinton he said wonder why he said quote it is time to call the fight I have with Bill Clinton over I set out to destroy him for what I believed happened to me interesting he waged a war and wound up winning in the long run certainly yeah so anyway I want to talk more shit on Larry Nichols right so in 2013 Nichols dropped a bombshell on the Pete Santilli show which is a right wing radio show Pete Santilli is he still around

he very calmly admitted that he had murdered people on command for Bill and Hillary Clinton yeah he admitted he had committed murders so hold on quote this is a quote they sent me overseas to kill people for them and told me it was for the good of the country so when they asked me to do it for them in the states it felt no different the real truth is I did it for the money and I didn't even give a shit about the women I beat and the men I murdered the Clintons are bad people and I did bad wait what wait what

hold on let me finish this quote alright alright the Clintons are bad people and I did bad things for them I had to live with all that for all these years and I just don't care anymore who knows it how's that quote grab you it sounds like he didn't really have to struggle with that internal problem at all he killed a bunch I killed a bunch of people overseas so then I did it here and I don't really care that's a psychopath that's what a psychopath says yeah I assume the killing people overseas is like he was in the military I don't know that to be sure exactly but then

then he said he killed people here too so it's not straight up murders yeah he just murdered he just murdered and said he didn't care but and then he said then he was like oh I had to live with it no clearly you did not but this that was on that was in 2013 on a right wing radio show he was interviewed by Mother Jones in 2015 oh and April of 2015 and this is a quote this is a quote from the article of the original band of Clinton hunters only Nichols kept up the ruse

doing interviews with fringe right wing radio hosts even boasting in 2013 that he had been Bill's personal hit man which he now says he didn't mean and wouldn't have said if he hadn't been on painkillers oh Vicodin who among us has not taken a few Vicodin and then admitted to murder what look he who is without Vicodin cast the first stone that's really what it is cast the first pill

what an asshole right what a dick stupid asshole oh god the fact that you can just walk that shit back is so infuriating best case scenario he is a murderer yeah who has a pill problem and then doubles back on it and pretends our god didn't mean to say that but worst case scenario which is the most realistic scenario he's a complete liar and a drug addict inveterate doesn't give a shit psychopath who was fired by Bill Clinton got really mad at him and started trying to

run his life and because everyone not everyone but a lot of people hate him and hate liberalism and hate Hillary Clinton with a fiery passion because they hate women uh because of that yeah they will glom on to these theories and they're like oh no yeah all this shit is true Vince Foster Mina all this oh yeah and it's all coming from this asshole I want to say a few more things tell me a few more things so I read this entire Mother Jones article I'm never going to speak in this voice again

this article okay was from April 2015 okay which if you're keeping track is two months before the episode of Alex Jones's show that we're listening to I am keeping track the things that we've heard him say on Alex Jones's show up till this point have been pretty harshly anti Hillary Clinton yes very much about how they're going to destroy the world it's him keeping up the ruse and a couple of the other clips that I'm going to play later really bring into focus how he thinks that Hillary Clinton is going to destroy the world

now in this April 2015 article a few months before here is a quote this is just a direct quote from the article but something strange has come over Larry after six years of watching Barack Hussein Obama cower in the face of Islamists Nichols believes the family he spent two decades touring as cold-blooded crooks might just be the only people who can save the country oh for fuck's sake quote I'm not saying I like Hillary you hear me he said defensively I'm not saying I like Hillary Rodham Clinton

I'm not saying anything I've said I take back but God help me I'm going to have to stand up and tell conservative patriots we have no choice but to give Hillary her shot quote I know she won't flinch he continued that's a mean son of a bitch woman that can be laying over four people and say he paraphrased her now infamous response to hostile congressional questioning on the deaths of four Americans in Libya what the hell difference does it make he was against Clinton because of white water he's now voting for her because of Benghazi

because she was so cold-blooded about Benghazi he thinks she'll be able to take out Muslims this is a farce this is complete insanity two months before he's spouting this bullshit in a publication holy shit yeah this is the thin man with Nick and Nora this is just fucking ridiculous it's through the looking glass propaganda it's we're not even these guys will just say anything yeah they'll just say whatever's politically expedient whatever like it's

it's the it's the mark of a psychopath this is I shouldn't bring psychopath into it because that's a very specific diagnostic and it's a record label yes with the juggalos it is this type of opportunist that seems to have no conscience no not at all who will just like if you're getting any press say whatever it is you think the press wants to hear to bring a positive light to you or an interesting light yeah even if it's not positive right because

this mother Jones reporter can fully document that he went on this show and said that he was Clinton's hit man and then he said I was on pills right I didn't mean that yeah so it's not even a positive light it's just hey how do I sell my personal brand exactly I just want to I just want you to talk about me and so I'm going to do whatever it is that makes you talk about me better and I fully don't think that the Clintons are great I think they have a whole lot of problems and we have said this

even on the show Bill Clinton deserves to be charged for war crimes absolutely as all of our presidents for the last maybe 40 years all do at least but at the same time he doesn't deserve the Tarring that he's gotten because of all of these fake shit it's the Tarring because of the fake shit and Hillary gets it way worse of course because she's a woman and because she's relevant because Bill's not relevant anymore he can't become president again he's kind of a neutral threat

and now Hillary is the one and in the 2016 election she was basically the one who had to take all the brunt for all of these conspiracies that mostly had to do with Bill and most of them come from Larry Nichols of course the fascinating thing is that part of the reason that you invent so much fake shit is because most of the real shit that you would complain about Hillary like part of the reason that you have to invent these emails part of the reason that you have to invent Vince Foster is because

the real stuff that you and I disliked about her that stuff that your guy is guilty of true the stuff that I disliked about Hillary the the super predators stuff the racism stuff the all of this stuff or just the accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak for Goldman Sachs that kind of a thing that is stuff that I disliked because it is a legitimate criticism and if you're on the right and you dislike that stuff that is a legitimate criticism

but you have to invent fake shit to hate her because your guy did all of that and more you have to you have to find ways around logical consistency and the only way to do that is to say like look they all did that yeah but these Clintons did worse yeah it's not it's not bad that you know Hillary took millions of dollars from yada yada yeah she sold the uranium to Russia yeah Trump did the same thing but Trump didn't kill Vince Foster didn't so

it's that kind of it's that extra thing because if you just if you just criticize Hillary for the reasons that she should be criticized your guy doesn't look as good no he doesn't look as good kind of falls apart it does so let's get back to the clips because like in that last one that we played before we laid out Larry Nichols he had said Alex you are our savior you have to do this if it isn't for you mobilizing the tea party yeah all of the patriots will die and the rest of this

just becomes a save me Obi-Wan you're our only hope kind of thing it's like I really think that this is foundational now here's this is a moment where Alex kind of he gets it okay I'm gonna listen to this clip and then I'm gonna ask you a question okay here's the next one this is Larry Nichols explaining that everything comes down to this 2016 election all she's gotta do is the other thing that we learned and we used every day Alex how do you win an election number one you control

your opposition Hillary and her power players are controlling the RNC and they're making sure somebody like Jeb Bush on earth is going to be the nominee somebody that cannot be somebody that cannot possibly activate the conservatives in this country and get them so excited they'll come out and vote the fix is in the fix is in yep now not to mention good heavens folks here I've never even seen anybody that triggered many voting machines

boy you've never seen nobody like this that has ever had as many dead people make contributions and vote as I have this is coming for you this is coming for this country this is coming Alex for your children that's why I got you gotta fight my grandbabies that's why I gotta do what I don't want to do I'm 65 years old I want to sit out in a pastor somewhere I've been in a broad area all over the world I'm done but you're not going

maybe I'll think this is hyper sensationalism but you better listen to me you're not gonna have a country when this thing is done and this thing is gonna be in the next election there won't be another election Alex although it'll happen you know hey they got elections in Cuba don't they they're not fair either vote for who they say I will kill you so that's his sort of take on what will happen if Hillary wins god it's too similar to what happened with Trump

well it's there's you like here's the thing here's the thing that did happen today and I ran the reformist party destroyed the conservatives just murdered him and it was projected to be a close election what they found out was that young people came out and voted in droves to make sure that Iran opened up like they wanted an Iran similar to pre-1980s

well and Russia didn't think they needed to influence that campaign sure it didn't seem like that well we'll see what Khomeini has to say about everything but that is the interesting thing there is that there is that this liver of hope right now saying that the 2018 elections will be free and fair but there is no part of cynical me that doesn't think gerrymandering has only gotten stronger and they will still retain power no matter what regardless of whether or not it's

we're gonna kill you at the ballot box it's more just like nope you're not allowed to vote we're gonna redistrict this very strategically and figure out exactly how to make sure our party stays in power and let's be totally clear that in some ways both parties are very guilty of but if you look at the history the conservative Republicans have been way more guilty of course but both parties do it to some extent of course so and this is the bottom line and this is another important thing

that needs to be said neither of us are lovers of democrats no we just hate the state of the republican we're we're I'm not gonna say we because as much as our politics overlap I know there are plenty of things that I believe that maybe you don't want to sign off on I might privately but to me it is that the democratic party too often allows

themselves to be drawn further right as the right goes further right that window like in the tug of war they get closer and closer to the middle and think that's fine yeah but that's exactly that same thing about the left trying to be overly empathic well I think it's more like not with the left I mean with the democrats with the democratic

party there is the idea of pragmatism as being more important to anything as opposed to and it becomes a twisted and warped version of pragmatism like that that nationalistic you know disenfranchised vote that whole thing like there's a reason that Bernie captured a lot of those people totally because we were primed for that kind of hey we've been fucked over

and you've helped us fuck people over or you've helped us get fucked over like all of those things if you had actually laid out a progressive vision just like the Obamacare provisions that people keep like so long as you don't put it next to Obamacare a majority of people say yes pre-existing conditions should be covered I like the things I hate the name exactly yeah so if you lay out that actual progressive vision it's far more pragmatic to getting you elected than this imaginary idea of

what's pragmatic agreed and so that's why we have such a huge disconnect with the democratic party or perhaps the democratic leadership I think I think you're correct alrighty so here's the question what's up okay um Nichols you think is that kind of like um germ that starts in Alex I think he's the old Jedi who's coming in saying you have a mission so you're the one who has you're helping Obi-Wan you're my whole I honestly think it's in the next clip I'm gonna play

but it's it's it's it's a message that's like you thought your work is done okay it's not done well here's my question uh do you think Nichols knows how influential Alex is is he just throwing darts at the wall saying this to anybody who may be influential or is he just jerking Alex off to be on his show uh no I think Alex considers him to be illuminary because Alex does no no I mean Nichols what does Nichols see Alex as no no no I understand

I think I only explained the dynamic from the other direction right to express that I think that Nichols knows he's big dog uh to Alex in terms of credibility okay but at the same time he absolutely knows that Alex has a huge platform okay I'm sure like he went on that other guy's show and said that he was a fucking killer when he was on pills right so he'll go on anybody's show right but he clearly as Alex and him discussed have a decades long

relationship he knows he's watched info wars grow to the point that it is yeah he's not he's not just saying this as but maybe maybe the better distillation of my question is do you think he's trying to use Alex or do you think he's actually do you think he actually believes this so so like is he is he jerking Alex off in an attempt to know in an attempt to be like well I can manipulate Alex's followers or is he saying

Alex you really do have this influence and I am I believe in you that kind of a thing this is something that only his therapist could probably answer if he has a therapist I don't think he does but well we all know therapists are evil blame brainwashers totally yeah they're global they'll give you vaccines yeah those therapist vaccines the reason that I answer that ambivalently is because we look at his history like I said he sued Bill Clinton

and then said I dropped the lawsuit because I wanted to destroy him for what I believed happened to me right he claimed to be a hit man and then later was like I look I was just on pills right so who knows where his actual center is Larry is a person who lacks credibility because he's clearly lied in public and on conservative radio shows in the past right I would say and lied about lying on those shows absolutely

I would say that he here's why it's difficult four months before this or three months before this he did that interview where he said we've got to give Hillary a chance she might be able to destroy these Muslims yeah so who knows where his fucking head is at I think he might still be on pills quite frankly I have no idea maybe he's found some better do we know where he's at now no I have no idea but I wonder if he's found better pills not dead I do know that but like that bummer that quick contradiction of a couple months just a hundred percent

contradiction I have no idea what he really means but I glean from the interview that he respects Alex Jones's audience in as much as they can possibly help him work towards his decades-long goal of destroying the Clintons okay and I think that's where he's still on that tip yes okay so even though he said in that previous interview we should give Hillary a chance

he's still going on Alex Jones with that kind of in the back of his head like fuck the Clintons well here's the only reason I'm going to give him a little bit of a wide berth about that supporting Hillary in the interview right the reason he supported her in that interview is that he believes that she's cut throat cold-blooded and could destroy these Islamists right that he seems to be afraid of now which he may have been well but but if that is his rationalization for in that interview supporting Hillary yeah

it still does kind of match up philosophically with what he's saying in this interview where he's saying that like they're going to try and get Jeb Bush in if there was an alternative that was the person who was going to be cut throat with these Islamists that he imagines I think he would be on their side as opposed to Hillary Trump if Trump had existed as a logical yeah counter example on June 18th which he doesn't exactly so

like that part doesn't seem to me to be a logical contradiction it does I can see that it does discredit Larry Nichols a bit but only in so much as it's like okay you are just really afraid of Muslims ideologically he just wants somebody who hates Muslims yes so it would make sense for him to support anybody who he thinks is going to accomplish the goal of fucking over muslim and at the same time he will accept a deal with the devil because he does believe that the Clintons are the devil

in order to fight a non-white devil he would be like I'd rather deal with these white people I really hate a non-white devil in the bush is better than two non-white devils in the hand I have no idea that's from the farmer's almanac so like I'm going to play the rest of these clips because I really think I mean most of them are just reinforcing this Alex Jones is getting his like booster shot of I have to save the world and you can see it in his face

in as much as he barely interrupts Larry Larry just gets a fucking free birth to talk whereas he interrupts everybody else the only way you get a free birth to talk is if you are sucking Alex Jones' Jesus complex dick well he already said you're the one who can save us you are the one I think I cut it out earlier but Larry Nichols says you're the only reason I'm alive oh boy because I came on your show years ago and I made it public and otherwise the Clintons would have killed me right right

otherwise I would have been Vince Foster 2.0 I hide in the sunlight yes that sort of thing yeah and so he's playing into Alex's worst impulses right and anyway this next clip is actually philosophically very inconsistent and dumb but he's trying to express basically the idea of like could you imagine this scenario 20 years ago that's sort of his premise and I'll let him play it out and because it's a couple months later we can

just well the answer for all of us is no but also we can be like oh man come on 20 years ago telling a reporter that's been dedicated or put in the pool reporters and they came at then the event by a presidential nominee for you kidding me no 20 years ago Alex could you believe somebody could run for president of the United States and oh gee for three or four months I'm not even going to talk any questions from anyone so that's problematic

for that but again he's not supporting Trump at this point I don't even know what to do with that anymore because well I mean that exact situation because just like with everything Trump does now you can pull a tweet from 2014 where he says do the exact opposite I mean it's literally everything it's bananas so there's no hypocrisy is no longer an argument no but I want to be clear it's not really about hypocrisy this thing that I find really fascinating

about this interview is that it lays the foundation for Alex realizing he has to save the world to me to me listening to this right now it really does crystallize the fact and it can no longer be a speculation it is the fact that there are separate realities now complete complete full breaks between reality like there's no there's no bridging those gaps anymore

probably because these guys live in a completely separate reality that that idea of like well when Clinton does it it's evil even though Trump is doing it he's not really doing it it was only evil if Clinton did it it's not really evil if Trump does it if Trump does it it's because it's in service to this larger thing which means that it doesn't matter what he's doing so long as it's in service to this larger thing but Clinton was doing what Trump is doing but in service to this other like it's a complete breakdown

and now we get to this idea of separate realities is really interesting because we get to this like the people who are listening to Alex Jones do live in a separate reality completely because they listen to him yeah Alex is reporting these things from sources like Larry Nichols or in the past we talked about Larry C Johnson that discredited CIA agent it's always a Larry there's a lot of southern accents going on in the Alex Jones show so what I'm interested in and this is where

the board with thread is going to come in eventually once I put it on my wall is going to be your white board with your dry erase markers are is sadly empty right now it's going to come down to like this is a false reality but who's exploiting it and who's being exploited by it right to a certain extent I know Alex Jones is making millions of dollars off this shit yes but at the same time he doesn't have the same motivations that Larry Nichols does Larry Nichols got fucked by Bill Clinton and fired for him calling

the Contras right trying to arrange a bunch of shit like that and and he took it very personally and has been on a 30 year campaign to destroy them here's the question hold on okay sorry yeah sorry this just popped in my head so he has all these sources that have various access to grind that if he looked into them at all be like you can't be on my show right you're not a good source right you can't do this but because he is okay with the agenda they're pushing he becomes

complicit in that false reality well he's happy with their agenda because their agenda dovetails with his but the false reality is created by these weirdos that come onto his show as opposed to him right he's the facilitator of the false reality that exists in the mind of his listeners right so basically the people who are the like progenitors of the virus are the people like Larry Nichols the mem if you will sure god damn it I will never forgive that fuck yeah that's that course he just learned to pronounce words

learn to pronounce meme so don't be a dick I'm becoming ultimately way more fascinated in the idea of the information funnel the sources that these things come from to Alex now granted he's like I'm never going to let him off the hook he's complicit and a lot of it falls into his pre-packaged narratives right but he would not be able to push it at all without feigning credibility for people like the two Larry's yes or even for Steve Pechenik

two Larry's in a pizza place yeah two Larry's in a place um here's here's my next question and I think this blows my mind that I haven't asked this before is Larry Nichols being paid like are his guests being paid to come on the show Alex's yeah like no idea did Larry Nichols get a fee for this I have no idea does that not does that not change everything I bet they at least have to sign something right that's be a release there's they're making money off it they have to be

yeah they have to be paid for this so of course Nichols would say something super positive to Alex Jones if he's getting paid because it's a gig man maybe I'll get paid down in the down the line I'm not I'm not ready to agree with that could just because I have no evidence of it I don't know I want now that's the only thing I wanted well I've been on radio shows for free I've signed things that I have have you been on my name is Larry Nichols you son of a bitch I've been lying this whole time how dare you

no I have no idea you have hidden your southern accent so well because you can are you actually jacarice Jackson I've become an animator who we've just discovered uh is a comic book writer now I really want to talk to him I do and you know what is crazy one of his creator one of his creator own comics hold on yeah we didn't do this at all as soon as his voice came up after I had said he has a great voice your eyebrows both just went way up like oh hello oh hello it's a great fucking it's a great voice so great

no here's the thing about his so what while we were talking about jacarity I looked him up and he's a comic book uh writer now yeah and creator independent yeah seems really cool uh and one of his creator own comics is daydream uh which is about a kid learning to deal with this fantasy world and that like it costs way more money than I'm willing to give somebody who's been who's worked for info wars before which is any money at all I'm

buying it but as soon as we get done I'm buying it does seem like a really fascinating thing for a guy like jacarice Jackson who lived in this fantasy world based on based on that premise I'm going to buy it and we're going to critically go and see jacari jacari email us knowledgefightedgmail.com I really think he's pretty uh like I I think based on very little evidence I think he has a way better head on his shoulders than anybody else at info wars based on the fact that he's silent through most of

that interview and just looking like but but again that that takes us back to kind of realize he kind of realizes he's being used as a prop I think and I might be projecting a bunch and if I am I apologize I think it's just hope I think we're all hoping that somebody at info wars can see what's going on yeah yeah well I mean there was that guy who came out on twitter and said that alex jones is a fraud and all that shit yeah there was that dude I can't remember his name now yeah well alex jones is a fraud

certainly it's just a matter of degree yeah we got a couple more clips left jordan a couple more clips from Larry this next one is about how tyranny is about to hit it's happening how so well he basically explains that illegals are gonna vote which is really interesting oh is this the beginning of the three million the illegals voted I don't know because that came from a guy on twitter a an asshole on twitter with like five followers who exploded because of this fucking god we're all gonna die

even before that there was this laying out of the potential narrative yes and I think it's really interesting to hear this coming from this thoroughly discredited discredited obvious pill head who's on alex's show 20 years ago could you have believed this could happen oh today trust me it's happening it's happening but you got one other problem one of the key elements in our system was

what we called the broken coalition now there weren't enough blacks in arkansas in that day to win an election today nationally what is 12% in that that hate being in the queer was bad there weren't that many people that came out and said they were openly gay fuck you you southern fucking fuck you good old hardcore conservative christian moral people

but what if we got all those little groups together then we become a power source that can't be touched and we did yeah like the fucking KKK you garbage pile of fuck coalition which now you have to add in what the legal message so everything in that plan is working exactly like clockwork and the problem is the american people

alex all of you american people that still believe that you would still believe that america is or was or whatever anybody still believes in america guys you're gonna have to suit up hey i'm not gonna get involved i'm not gonna do whatever you are you're gonna lose it by giving up or you're gonna stand and you're gonna stand tall and you're gonna tell the truth well that's the thing is this isn't gonna be boss hog tyranny like you were involved

in just good old boy stuff they want to break the system forever break our will and domestic chaos this is a hardcore tyranny it's not a boss hog tyranny like the kind of we build our businesses they tell people in the third world they can't have air conditioning or cars or they're on jumbo jets i mean these are some nasty people we've been over those two lies alex is enabled to even really engage with the lies that larry nickles is saying that he's only able to go back to his

waypoints that we've discussed this idea that obama went over season said hey you guys can't have air conditioning when he was talking literally about how modernization in the third world has to go better than it has gone for us because we have reached an unsustainable level and we need to do this smarter we've learned lessons and you shouldn't do all this carbon emitting yeah over here and the same way you didn't build your business isn't about how yeah you dumb

ass your business sucks fuck you it's about how hey you dumb ass people got to your business by driving on roads yeah you know how they got those fucking roads yeah it was the goddamn government everything exists within a context yeah and that's something that this is such a this is yet another moment where i'm like who the fuck is alex jones and how is that we constantly see this orbit of people around alex jones and yet we can't at least i can't i can't ever quite pin down where alex

is because no but i got a better sense of him than i don't mean i don't mean that i mean more like this this nickels dude is pulling some obvious bullshit with very good like manipulative tendrils like all of these different things where he's planting these ideas face hugger style right into alex jones's head totally and alex jones at this moment is unable to engage like he can't understand this shit he's taking all it in

he's taking it all in but his response is just like it's unrelated it's clear he's not listening right yeah so he's listening but he's unable like he's a bad interviewer he's a fucking horrendous interview it's like an inner like i don't want to compare it to like that chris farley show sketch where it's you know like what about that you know that sort of thing but it is kind of that like super similar to that i have one thing to go to yeah and it's these waypoints that i have in my mind these lies that i've already built up

and so like when then we see him six months from now with these same ideas being expressed yeah so it's fascinating to me because it again it again makes me feel like alex is not alex is like the evil child from the twilight zone where it's like just somehow he has magic powers he's just a kid he doesn't understand anything of what he's doing he's just got these weird powers and he's using them to hurt people and in in his like child brain

he doesn't get that there's empathy or that any of this exists let me be clear yes here's what i think okay if you have i love how we're on like episode ten million and nine an hour four billion and forever and we're still like who is alex it's so hard because every single episode we talk about there's new evidence that throws everything into question he's bananas but i think my sort of rosetta stone if i can use that or my marvel card where it's like i have him and here's his superpowers

and his deficiency from the unbeatable squirrel girl he is a shout out to the best marvel comic ever he's a terrible interviewer he's shit he interrupts his guests or he says nothing depending on how much he respects them or how weird his headspace is on the given day right he does not engage with input that comes to him that disagrees with his narratives right but so that's like a like a two on the like one to ten chart interview skills yes

yes but then in his in in his nba jam stat uh stat lines yeah that's what we're going with but then if you go down to the next one the ability to talk about nothing aggressively he's a ten like he can just he would be that's true he would be the world's best senator for like a bad cause because he could filibuster for 20 hours right and it'd be fucking hilarious it would be engaging right he wouldn't need a book in front of him right he would just start

rambling about nonsense if jimmy stewart were to star in the movie it would be uh mr jones shits on washington mr jones stays in austin but that's that is where he shines he is able to talk about nothing engagingly for a really long time and bring in disparate details right from things that don't really involve but sound just good enough that it makes his argument seem to make sense and that is a fucking amazing skill it really

is i it boggles my mind because when i think in one of the first episodes you and i were talking about like you you said i couldn't do that that oh absolutely not and i said i could do that you absolutely couldn't do that and i'm starting to come around to that i could not do that no i couldn't i could talk for four hours for sure we've proved that yeah but at the same time i couldn't spin aggressive yarns about nothing for four hours he has no preparation he has no real details but he is able to monologize

in an amazing way it is it is kind of he's like one of those comics that you can see like a marty dorosa who can get up on stage with nothing and kill you know he's like that he is like a guy who's just like check out marty and sarah's podcast about wrestling it's great you you see him enter the studio i'm sure if you were his producer and be like i don't know what the fuck he's gonna do he hasn't read anything and he gets in there just just a rocket ship he monologizes for half an hour comes up with some bullshit then gets

an interview they say some shit he doesn't really listen he gloms on to something they say yeah it works into one of his white nationalist narrative yeah and he's like all right let's move farther with this and then right yeah like it's it's like a we are connotation for spiders uh when we kind of apply them to uh propaganda in the like is people who are making web completely in control of the web he is like a spider on lsd where it's just like and maybe this

will work i don't fucking know and just keeps spinning this weird web that doesn't make any goddamn sense because you see in those uh those i'm sorry he's a spider on thc as opposed to lsd because the lsd ones they make eerily perfect web intricate patterns yeah yeah yeah it's a spider on crack or something like that yeah he's a he's a fucked up spider yeah he's making a web that he knows like there's a reason i'm doing this but i'm not quite sure not sure what it is i know the current like we even played that clip i wish i could pull it up but it's

somewhere buried in my phone but you're talking about how like i know what's going on but the the details not so sure not so much yeah and not so much and that really gets down to like i think where his headspace is it is hard to he gets the narrative he's supposed to push and that's coming from the people like larry nickles right larry c johnson steve pochannock roger stone these guys who are feeding him or even now like mike sernovich has become even grandfathered into that sort of pantheon right

because he's i mean without using the word cucked uh he's cucked uh alex jones a bit he's way more popular than alex jones they're putting together a whole different media company it's it's it's all fun and games until the reality sets in that these people are really working bullshit they're growing they're doing it intentionally they're growing stronger but it that's the other thing about that uh again the iran election today really was filled with hope for me and you see

this especially with the local ones because i believe it's i think it's rumani i'm not sure how to pronounce it properly you're close but um he won and he had already been in office for a long time he'd already served one term the fact that many of those local elections where it is people who have been ruled by the same conservative uh council members for forever and ever and ever are suddenly now being overtaken by reformists because

it's the local elections it's that it's that kind of shit that's that's the ground game that the democratic party has gotten their ass kicked on for so long how many governorships are republican how many city councils how many state uh senate's all of these things these are the places where the republicans have really infiltrated us and destroyed us and now in iran of all places you know bastion of democracy iran but again they have a great history way they do have a great history

they do they have a very progressive history one that was fucked over by us but that's the thing that gives me hope because again young people i do think that the younger generations and it is hard to argue anything else are more progressive are more aware are more educated and are more willing to entertain ideas uh that will benefit everybody than the older generations totally and so when you see them start to take

over that local arena that's when you start to see real change well i think i think the history is cyclical in so many ways and one of the major focuses of the cycle is that wishing we could go back to whatever right uh is dumb it's dormant it's dormant for a bit and then society makes progress and people start to come together and they you know we all get rights for gays and what happens and that's just because that's our modern cycle

and i'm using those examples right but meanwhile all these resentful forces are bubbling under the surface and they start to build up and eventually it gets to a crisis point where everyone who wants society to move forward realizes have all right we gotta do something about this they never do until it becomes a crisis i that that's my that's my theory of generations yeah is that that progressives always push towards progress but really until we

get complacent yes and then but not i'm not complacent it's just when the conservative and regressive forces become radical and then it becomes like well now it's going to become a problem yeah like in the same way that what anti-union shit ended up in riots in the same way ended up in murders yeah in the same way that the 70s uh early 70s late 60s became bedlam it's it's progress meeting uh the radicalization

of regress yeah and i think we're probably heading towards that in terms of where our society is going the issue is for me uh that's how things go just sort of in a natural ebb and flow right without outside influence every reaction equal and opposite yeah but we were talking about around they had an amazing progressive society until we fucked it up yep uh and now they're coming America but and now fuck yeah and now of their own because

of generational cycles they're coming back to that and hopefully it will work right hopefully it will come back i worry that uh the situation that we have in our country is us doing the same thing to ourselves that we did to foreign countries yeah i think i think we're both or again again i don't want to put words in your mouth here is why uh daily fucking cycle between optimism and cynicism is always going to be

will we do it in time i think that's my biggest issue now right yeah i think there will absolutely be a progressive uh bounce back the pendulum will swing back towards progressives yeah i don't think that's within question it's already happening yeah the question is will it be in time will we be able to do enough to stop the damage that has already been done and is being done now betsey devos is murdering schools she is absolutely

hey going out of her way to stab small children in the throat you know it's a fun fact that no one seems to want to talk about what she and her husband uh own stock in student loan collection organizations wait are you saying that maybe her decision to repeal and remove those loan forgiveness programs has something to do with enriching herself yeah odd that's so out of character for the administration that we're living under yeah it's wild

yeah it's insane but i i want to take a like a like a further step back i don't know if i can do that and look at the world in terms of like empires that have existed do you mean the ones where america falls well what the ones that i mean we are living under the american empire i think it's the last collapsing yeah but the last you know a couple hundred years has been america as the big superpower i would say the last hundred years certainly yeah uh but you look at these places like like greece was a superpower

and roam was a superpower and the things that happened to them afterwards they became complacent uh tourism places yeah you know like they they found their niche as being like all right we're here right we got some great stuff you can come check out we're actively working against the possibility of that being our future that like that sort of hammock that superpowers get to after their empires fall

we're destroying our natural parks trump is trying to work against our natural beauty yes we have shown over and over again that the statistics in terms of our tourism numbers are way down and it might just because we're in conflict and once we come out the other end of it uh after we lose uh tourism will go back up right maybe well that's the case but like i think the largest question for our empire which i think is very um unique is

will our culture remain dominant because you think about pieces of it you think about hollywood and you like i think about will will bollywood take over you know that kind of thing will all of these other people if you look in terms of mass numbers uh foreign markets have taken over hollywood so many of these movies that bomb in america make billions of dollars overseas right but they're still american movies like they still have that

is it going to be that america will dominate movie culture and that will be or just fucking mcdonald's yeah like it's it's hard to imagine america winning any wars without mcdonald's now or starbucks like imagine i think it was dylan mooren has the best joke because i'm kidding you did not i i respect that he did not have a good show it was fine he's funny he's a bad it was a bad set it was a bad set

um but his bit about how american empire or the american empire started was uh when the british came in they kicked everybody out and they were like fuck off we own this now and then america just very stealthily builds a starbucks around you like that seems to me to be the more um empire building aspect of america is there is now you're talking globalist shit it is like there's a starbucks on every fucking corner yeah like is that is that america or is that

globalism well the part the part of alex's sort of cosmology that i won't disagree with is that like it is clear i don't think it's by force that american culture has been very attractive to people all around the world now whether it's through like we have billions of dollars and we're gonna put starbucks everywhere or it's starbucks takes care with their coffee they make a quality product and people enjoy it i mean

whether it's one or the other i'm not entirely sure but well to me that's the that's the better ambassador for america it sure as fuck isn't our foreign policy no but the fact that if you're in china you can go to a mcdonald's says more about american hedge money than anything else and it says a lot about mcdonald's uh how much they care about america that they shift their menu in every country yeah they're not they don't give a fuck about america

and they shouldn't they shouldn't right their business absolutely i'm not sure what i'm saying i am really not sure what your argument there is on a really long uh weird path and uh oh that's so unusual for us larry nickles has more things to say it's been so long i don't know who we're talking about for about 10 minutes i've been trying to figure out a way to transition into this clip larry nickles believes that uh the the tea party is the answer

to all of society's ills and he believes the wrongest of the wrongs he believes that uh the republicans are actively trying to work against the tea party which is uh which was kind of fair in 2015 um i don't think that i think they were well work against i think they were trying to usurp the g party as opposed to work against them the rnc not the gnc that's the supplement people that's the supplement people that's the uh they might as well be the rop that's the muscle

jones the glp rnc uh you know yeah you know me the uh the rnc uh does not want to give up control and so they're threatened by uh tea party true that premise is kind of true i would say that premise is accurate but this is going to get into things that are less true they despise the tea party because they know the one thing that i know the tea party if it will if it can be led the tea party

can take over the rnc and if we took over the rnc we could take back our country with a torch that sounds too close to reality it's not going to be a choice once those mexicans are made to be able to vote oh no the last national election in this country's history once those mexicans are allowed to vote once those mexicans are allowed to vote i know he's talking about illegal immigrants but at the same time it's he's not he's not he's not he means to he's not he

means to i think he if he was if he was conscious he would make more of an effort to say so but you know exactly what it means he means that once latinos in america who are american citizens yeah uh start voting it will be towards people who support them and don't say this sort of shit about them yeah exactly and don't say they're all rapists yeah and but that was the that was the demographic argument that was made the entire clinton campaign was that

well trump doesn't have a chance because now that the demographics have changed so much it doesn't matter who the republicans run in a national election it only matters where they run in a regional and it turned out which goes back to larry nickles fractured uh fractured uh demographics argument exactly you bring in the gays you bring in the blacks we can now defeat white people as opposed to actually putting forth a progressive plan a progressive ideology

is the one that is supported by the majority of the united states at this point currently it always has been i think that's true it always has been but but the the election people will argue against it and it's hard to it's hard to believe they will argue against it for any other reason than they're paid a shit ton of money by people to do so it's money find your nearest billionaire and go fuck them holy

shit what's your holy shit moment i just got a tweet from our our our friends uh band the razor Ramones okay uh just tweeted me a picture uh out at uh some wrestling show uh it he's sitting behind someone with an info wars shirt oh no took a nice picture of uh some weirdo at this local wrestling show with an info wars shirt shout out thank you thank you i don't know your name but uh the razor Ramones cool cool band that has an

info war theme love it uh so we've got one more clip left to play and this one is so but before we do all of our listeners if you are coincidentally going to a wrestling show while we're recording we will shout you out oh especially if there is a hillary for prison shirt oh of course seems to be a high incidence of that at wrestling shows couldn't imagine why so um this the last clip we're going to play is a nice sort of punch line uh and it's weird

but before we get to it uh i want to i want to i want to summit a little bit yes um Alex started this show unaware of what to do about the Charleston shooting yes he ambivalently wandered around and accidentally probably intentionally but also accidentally spouted a bunch of incredibly racist ideas yes he wandered around until he had a African American preacher on the show who uh went way further than him

and gave him permission and cover to be like oh no it is all about guns it's all fake yeah yeah yeah so that was the first uh narrative secondarily he has Larry Nichols on who as we've discussed is a thoroughly discredited guy who got fired by Bill Clinton and has hated him from the jump yeah uh and has done everything in his power to take him down to the extent of lying on public radio shows lying

on conservative radio shows and then pretending lying to uh liberal interviewers like mother jones and the like absolutely and then waffling back and forth whether i love hillary or or maybe telling the truth to liberal it's who knows who fucking knows he just says whatever it is that will get him attention and will get him the point is he's thoroughly discredited yeah he's nothing he is a absolute terrible source of information at the same time the things that he's saying to alex i do believe

inform the 2016 election campaign okay i think that that alex you're the only person who can help us that sort of thing you need to galvanize the party people jeb bush isn't gonna do it right these sorts of ideas that larry nichols says to alex i think are transformative i think that they set the bedrock of alex's coverage and i think it's fucked up that i just started i listened to a couple days before

yeah trumps announcement and they were really boring as shit nothing really in them but just after trump announces this episode happens and i think it is the launching pad for alex losing his mind yeah i think that this will be the beginning of our analysis of just this is the gestation of the xenomorph a man's fall from grace yeah well let's not give him grace it wasn't grace

let's not go anywhere near grace it's a fall from disgrace so this night it's a man's fall from the seventh level of hell to the ninth it's the seventh is that liars i i just pulled one the ninth i don't think it's i don't think it's important considering how daunte was just pissed off about people he knew i love daunte but yeah you're totally right he was he was just he was just picking people he knew it a bitch about yeah and it was mostly about how he had a boner for Beatrice yeah i mean

hey guys got dudes gotta fuck but i mean come on so this last clip is just a really fun like insight into who larry nickles is as a person it's just like peacock killer he don't he don't give a shit okay he's done it's game over all right all right it starts with alex explaining that his book is out of print and it goes from there wait that nickles's book is out of print or alex's okay i know your book's out of print when i ask you about

that how do folks support you or if folks want to talk to you get you to speak to their group or come on their show i know you give out your home number and your your address for folks so why don't you give that out to people well you bet look my phone number is 440 897 0611 my address is 58 kinsington drive conway arkansas 72034 and alex i know people are going how many people

you ever had on the show to give out their home number their home address guys under this regime you ain't gonna hide you're not gonna hide there's no sense in it either we get together either we form up or forever set them out because this thing is coming down that's crazy and as we speak are you calling him i'm a policy wonk hey everybody dan here uh and i'm here too uh here's the deal

oh i'm jordan by the way here's the situation we try we called larry nickles where we neither admit nor deny that we called we did i refuse to turn over my cell phone records when i say we i mean you at this point in the episode we called larry nickles and uh spoiler alert that is his current phone number we do not think you should call him we want to be very clear leave this old man alone here's the deal we called him it is still his phone number leave the man alone uh but it was pretty hilarious

he did answer his phone and we talked to him for a little bit he refused to say anything basically he didn't refuse it wasn't that he was like hey i don't want to talk it's uh he was on oxygen and he didn't want to answer any questions about alex jones he was pretty nice he was very nice i bet if we called him again we could talk to him probably yeah we fucked up and didn't tell him it was recording yeah and so uh in the interest of following the law and just decency uh we decided to cut it out so uh hey sorry you guys missed that you're missing out on

some pretty funny stuff listen if you haven't uh if you haven't subscribed you're gonna miss out on uh a lot of breaking steve larry nicks call anyway back to the episode enjoy your lives i'm a policy wonk that was really fucked up that was the it's actually his fucking phone number are you shitting me i thought that was gonna be a bit that was actually fucking him this is the craziest thing that's ever happened on this podcast that is fucking nuts

you know what he's probably on that's not an excuse not to say also did you did you get the sense that he kind of does not want to talk about alex i think he kind of does not want to talk about anything right now that's fair that was fucking bananas that's amazing it turns out that uh he actually did give out his phone number on the show and two years later didn't change it

it's his same fucking number so it's on there you guys can't call him feel free to call him all you hundreds of people out there or if you would like to write a letter it is kensington drive conway arkansas 72544 also when they played that on alex's show they had a like a place card already made up and it flashed up on screen with his address holy shit yeah so there's like a hey send him your letter send him a card who knows never would have expected that that was actually his number

and this is super fucked up we just talked to larry nickles jordan i don't know what to do we gotta fucking we gotta run away guys uh if you uh support knowledge fight go to knowledgefight.com we have a link that is uh you can click to donate yes absolutely on knowledgefight.com that says support the show if you want to donate any amount of money you'll become a policy wonk if you want to donate ten dollars a month we will time travel to a certain date and frankly we're gonna call larry nickles again

regardless of what you do so literally every single show we're calling larry nickles i can't believe it you save that god i know believe me that number is in my phone i have actually added that contact as larry nickles do not think that that is not the case that's so amazing this episode could not have ended any better than i could have imagined uh we like i said our website is knowledgefight.com you can follow us on twitter at knowledge underscore fight uh please uh check us out on itunes if you

have not yet please subscribe and uh give us a nice rating uh give us a review it would be very larry nickles give us a review tell us to stop calling you but to be fair look i you gave out your fucking number that's on you mr nickles i would feel so bad about calling a random person on air but he did do that he's a fucking monster go fuck himself he absolutely is also who answers an unwanted number also i don't like how you put my full name in the street oh yeah

no larry nickles is gonna find you son as if he's gonna remember he's on oxygen uh let me ask you a question dan dan we've all been through an emotional ringer i really wish john rapaport would put out his phone number uh larry nickles is now our spirit guide who will be receiving a weird number of calls from policy wonks yeah but uh if we're gonna end the episode yeah are we gonna say like some sort of catchphrase we've just confirmed that larry nickles is still alive larry nickles is still alive

you said you said i should look it up we just did he is still alive is anybody else still alive dan john rapaport still lives andy and kansas you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you