Knowledge Fight - #460: Donk's Dojo

Episode Date: July 24, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan deal with the fact that Alex Jones has been out of studio all week by checking out a new show that Alex is hosting on his website. The gents give Carpe Donktum's new program a chance and also check in on Roger Stone damage-control updates.

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Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.

Oh, indeed. We are Dan Jordan. What up? Quick question. What's up? What's your bright spot? Well, why don't you go first? Cause I got some thoughts.

Oh, I have a complicated bright spot. Okay. Today. Hey, as we record this in about an hour, major league baseball will return. Right. I saw a tweet about this. It's incredible. Yeah.

I know you're a man who loves the sticks. Oh, so good. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. Now, obviously the amount of resources they're taking and the risk that the players are taking is is to the point of moral destruction. Sure. I mean, we've seen what's happened with the WWE.

Power on through this up and good. It's terrible. Yeah. Put people at risk. Every single day they should be used for the population at large. But fuck, I want to see the Cubs win. Well, I know. I know that your fandom medic is so dangerous.

Your mood does vary a lot based on sports, mostly Cubs and and Rafa related. Rafa's get Rafa's friend. He's skipping the U.S. Open. He's not going to be there for the U.S. Open. It's tragic. What are you going to do?

I don't know. I'm going to watch fucking Jokovic win it again. He's already tested positive for the virus. What an asshole. He's a dick. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. Yeah.

It's a tragedy. But I'm glad you get to watch some guys swing around bats. It's going to be great. Yeah. It's going to be great. It's really going to be good. It's going to be weird because usually would go to bars and watch baseball. Now you have two layers of weirdness.

Yeah. Can't go to the bar to watch the sport that is going to be different because of the world situation. It's tough. I watched a preseason game last night and I was like, this isn't that different from just watching a, you know, preseason. Sure. There's nobody there, but it's a preseason game.

Nobody there anyway. It gives a shit. It's not that different. I want to get to the. I mean, in the cactus league, whenever everybody's there and they're all having a great time, but I don't know. We'll see. Once you get to the world series and there's nobody there.

That'll be fucking me up. Be very. Yeah. That'll be terrifying. Yeah. So my bread spot. Go to the mail bag. All right.

Yep. All right. What do we got in the mail bag? Let me open this. This up here. We actually got in a couple of things and it was a very, very nice trip into the mail bag. All right.

All right. And so the first thing we got was a nice letter from Lucy that thanked us for recognizing that the Green Bank telescope is a telescope. Yes. And some glasses. I believe. Yes. We did get those.

Yeah. We're looking at the stars glasses kind of thing. They spread things into a different light spectrum if I understand correct. Yeah. So thank you very much, Lucy. We appreciate that. Very cool. And then from Lena, I got a 12 pack of Sanzo Seltzer.

I'm seeing that you've had a mango Sanzo Seltzer. I've had a chance to try that one and it's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's not sweet at all, which is really nice. It has kind of like a soft fruit and tea-ish vibe to it. Interesting. Which I enjoy. I've not given it a score yet, but I have.

I have tried it. I have to think about it a little more. Wow. It's complex. It's complex. Unlike some of these other ones that are just like you try it and you're just like, whatever. You can't fuck up watermelon.

No, but there's also a calamansi, which I don't know what that is. I have no idea. Is that a melon? I don't know. Okay. That's one of the flavors. And the other one is lychee, which I'm very excited about. That'll be interesting.

Yeah. I remember having a lot of lychee stuff back when I used to live in Hawaii. Yeah. I remember liking it, but I don't know if I remember the flavor at all. So I'm excited to try that. I will be interested. Thank you very much, Lena. Yes.

Thank you very much. I thought that was Lucy. No, Lucy was the Lucy. Oh, sorry. My bad. My bad. And then finally got a little something from Rosemary and Renee. Sure.

And this was just a delightful note that is far too long to read on this. This year episode. But we got some, some vegan jerky and sunflower crackers for you and your partner. Yep. We have enjoyed those. Spicy shark hot sauces, a jalapeno and a totally very good. I've tried them. Yeah.

Not super spicy, but good flavors. All right. I enjoy them quite a bit. Also some seltzers that are made for children. So there's like a bubble gum chicken fingers and fry seltzer. What are we talking about? Bubble gum is the only one I remember, but I've not tried those yet. We'll probably maybe do a little recording where we try them because there's.

Yeah. Great. That's almost perfect for that. Yeah. What I'm assuming about that is that Rosemary and Renee also sent along a little note that had their rankings and ratings of the seltzers so we can compare and contrast our feelings on it. So that was like a really sweet care package and appreciate that very much.

That's quite a bright spot for me. Yes. Thank you very much this week. So Jordan is there. They had an episode to do here. Indeed we do. We're going to go a far astray of the beaten path here today because I got to tell you Alex Jones still out of studio.

Of course he is not been in. What is he? What's going on for him to talk about? Nothing in the news. Owen Schreyer was hosting and I don't care right as it turns out. Alex has been out of studio this entire week and it leaves me a little bit in the lurch of like trying to, you know, like we record this on Thursday and so one of the things that we can do is like if Alex is out of studio Monday through Wednesday, you know,

on Wednesday evening thinking, OK, when his show starts on Thursday, I will know whether or not there is an episode of his to go over. Sure. Yeah, because if he's on air, then we can turn that around and try and get it out for Friday. But if he's out of studio, then it's like 11 o'clock and I don't know I have to find something to do. You're in limbo because you have to wait overnight.

You can't just start working. Yeah. Of course. So we found something to do and I'm kind of I'm pretty excited about this, but Alex has been out of studio and I believe that the reason is because that this week was when the Connecticut Supreme Court was deciding his motion that he was trying to overturn those sanctions against him after he went on that drunken outburst where he put a million dollar bounty on the head of the opposing council.

Christopher Matty still a bad idea. It was not a good performance. No, no, no. I wouldn't recommend it. His former lawyer Norm Pattis was sitting next to him, which good. Good. You got out of that. Good work.

So the CBS quote, the court issued a seven to zero decision rejecting Jones's claims that his comments aimed at attorney Christopher Matty were protected by free speech rights and upholding a lower courts ruling that Jones violated numerous orders to turn over documents to the family's lawyers. Well, there's that. This is a gigantic blow to Alex's case. The first thing is that you know he was facing steep financial penalties for the whole threatening Matty thing.

Again, not a good idea. No. Now the the Connecticut Supreme Court is ruled on this. So Alex doesn't really have any stalling or maneuvering tactics left to deploy. Call up Gorsuch. See what we can do. I don't know if Gorsuch is going to have his back. I don't think so.

He's going to have to pay those fines and he has no recourse left really to continue with holding documents from those lawyers simply put. This is a very strong indication that Alex is running out of tricks in this case. If it's gotten to the Connecticut Supreme one of his like his motions to show. Yeah, is a bad sign for Alex and definitely would be a reason for him to taken on an unannounced vacation. I'm guessing that that's what's been going on. A little bender.

Who knows? Yeah. So yeah, we it is looking. I think that is the easiest explanation for why he's been gone. Sure. I don't know if he had to go to Connecticut for it or you know if it's just like hey all of my lawyers who were representing me have been replaced. It'd be a chaotic time to have your thing in front of the Connecticut Supreme Court.

Yeah. So I guess whenever he gets back in studio, we'll figure out exactly what's going on. But Alex is gone. So I had to find something else to do. We are missing some peak said drunk esoteric Alex shows though if you were on the show right now. Yeah, no, of course, he'd put out another million dollar bounty on the Supreme Court. Almost certainly.

I got nothing to lose now. So I did find something and we'll get to that here at a moment, Jordan, but first we're going to take a moment to say thank you to the folks who signed up in our sport in the show. So first, Brie Ogan. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much, Shani. Next, Bethany see. Thank you so much. Maybe related. Maybe related.

Maybe. She doesn't have a master plan though or or Bethany see does have a master plan. It doesn't want to put it on part of the master plan. It's not telling people about your master plan. Exactly. Anyway, Bethany see. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

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This is a series of things and popes. Yeah. Next, Michael M. And as I guess specifically requested that we we shout him out as it under the rank of digital devil summoner. So thank you so much. Digital devil summoner Michael M. I'm a policy wonk.

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All right. Frankly. Okay. Are we doing an episode of Oprah? What is happening? We are not. But before we get to the actual episode, we have to follow breaking news. Okay.

And that is that there's an update on the Roger said a bad word on a radio. Yeah, we're going. He's going hard. Are now we have got some spin from Roger. We've got. Oh, yeah. Come on now. So I'm somebody else on well.

You're on July 19th. That would be Sunday. Roger was co-hosting the Alex Jones show along with Owen Troyer doing a little bit of a dream reunion. Yeah. The war room is back baby. Yeah. And so he addressed the controversy because the story had broken on Sunday.

So he's live on air. He's got a he's got to do and here is his spin on the 19th. I can't echo exactly what you say about the fake news media because I've just been through this. The last Friday I taped an interview for a L.A. based progressive radio host, Mo Kelly, who's not previously and with whom we had found common ground in our opposition to the racist war on drugs. But this broadcast was a technological disaster.

They cut my audio feed three times. The second time when they brought me back in, I was in the middle of some other show in which a woman and a man were speaking in French. The first question I got from Kelly was whether I had just called him a Negro, which of course I had. Then he went on for the rest of the program and escalated my derriere as if nothing was wrong. So if I had called him this so-called racial slur, a lot of my black friends

argue it's not a slur, but let's put that aside. Because I didn't say it. Why didn't he react more aggressively? So that like, well, I mean, I can answer the why didn't he respond more aggressively? Because he's a professional. Well, first of all, that's his business. Yeah. And then second of all, because Roger immediately gaslighted him by saying,

like, what? You're out of your mind. Yeah. So the response of not being like so certain that you heard what you heard. Sure. Is not that strange to me. Also, small point, the argument that people were talking in French. They were speaking French because the word for black and French is noir.

They were speaking French and as everybody knows, it's called film Negro. That is how it works. What a great slip. Fucking asshole. Because the rest of the sentence is in English. The rest of the sentence is in English. I don't want to argue with this is in English and then noir is black and French. It doesn't make any sense really that he was listening to something else that had

this nonsense, right? So nonsense. That's what an asshole. Yeah. So this story is what he had on the 19th and then on the 20th. Sure. He was a guest on Carpe Doctinus show. Great.

It's it's syndicated on Band-Aid video. Of course it is on info wars and so Roger had a little bit of a more evolved excuse. The French part has fallen. We've left that one. That one. It turns out that one's too weak even for a Roger. I would say that he's going to pretend that that wasn't part of his excuse. No, no.

We have the controversy. The juror, which is the completely false claim that I used a racial slur in an interview with a radio top show host in Los Angeles. Now, I did do a show. First of all, they tell you it was live. It was taped last Thursday for air on Saturday. The real quick, we already have a contradiction. The first time he said it was taped on Friday, this time he says it's on Thursday.

Yeah, we've got one. I don't know. One in the one in the pocket. Minor issue. Audio transmission went down three times. So the 40 seconds in which they say stone was so stunned, he said nothing. No, I wasn't stunned. They disconnected me.

And what people will soon learn is that the three days between the time I taped this and the time they aired it, what we have here is a pasted together fabricated version of what was recorded. And the background noise in the section in which I allegedly use the word Negro doesn't match the background noise in any of the rest of the show. Brilliant. Plus the show host, a guy named Mo Kelly, goes on to be perfectly friendly. So if I insulted him, why for the next 45 minutes did he kiss my ass?

None of that makes any sense. That didn't make any sense to me either. Surprise. I have gone, not one, but two different sound technicians who do a lot of audio analysis for the ports and the preliminary results demonstrate that this was all spliced together. And I'm going for the second report. Sounds right. Could I sue Mr. Kelly?

Yeah, I probably could. Oh, you totally could. It just belongs. I think you should. One. I think you're going to be proven innocent in your trial hundred percent in your appeal, which I'm sure is definitely still coming. Yeah.

Undoubtedly man. What a swing. That's impressive. That is a swing. That's impressive. There's an elaborate conspiracy against me. Occam's razor tells me that you're lying right now. You said.

Why do you say that? Because in order for the rest of this to make sense, like what he's suggesting happened is like. Okay, so there are these tech glitches and as these tech glitches were happening. Sure. Mo Kelly operated in such a way as to be perfectly able to frame Roger. Of course. For saying this word.

Yeah. And then afterwards they were able to somehow splice in something that sounds exactly like Roger Stones. I mean it's Mo Kelly needs to be involved. His producers need to be involved. Like there is such a. I don't understand either. What it is he thinks that proves that just means he spliced in a different time.

You said it would have to be credit. To be somebody. Yeah. Someone doing a Roger impression. I mean it's elaborate or he just said it a week before it's elaborate, but it's it's not. I don't buy this. This is weak.

And you know what? This is Roger protesting too much. Yeah. You should just shut up. You keep your audience. Like you pointed out does not care. They don't give you your fans. They like you a little more.

Maybe you may you may have widened the proud boy base that you have. Totally fine. Yeah. You should just shut up because no one gives a shit. No one cares. Everyone's moved on. Yeah. Everybody who doesn't like you already knew you.

We work for info wars. So we kind of know. Move along Roger. I can't wait for his third excuse. Yeah. This is what Roger does though. This is this is this is the way he does damage control and spin and stuff. You see it throughout his career.

He gets away with it everywhere but the courts. Yeah. So that was that was pretty funny to me. Now that made me want to stick with the French speaking. I want to really try. Yeah. But once somebody explains what noir means in French and they're like and I was you Roger.

Why was the rest that sentence in English. I only speak a little French. No. No. He wasn't speaking it. He's he said he was watching some French program. Oh God. Oh man.

So it was just in the background. So pathetic nonsense pathetic. But through that I was like hey. Carpe Donkton's got a show. Oh no. You're not going to play his corner. No. You are not going to play us a Carpe Donkton show.

Get the fuck out of here. Do not tell me that. You have to do something right. You know like Alex is out of studio. There needs to be something. I've listened to Owen Troyer and David Knight. Their shows. They got nothing terrible week.

What if Carpe Donkton's awesome. What if he is awesome. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe he's a good broadcaster. Yeah. Tony's terrible. What if he's a polymath.

He's good at all kinds of different. What if left to his own devices and freed from the chains of Alex's interview style. What if he's amazing. What if he's amazing. I don't know. So we have to find out. Yes.

So I went and looked at his channel. Okay. He has 11 episodes out now. The most recent one was Roger Stone and it's not fair to judge the most recent episode. You know the download numbers are view numbers because it's like well. You got stone on there.

Yeah. But it came out very recently right. So it's like you know maybe people haven't seen the tweets about it or whatever. Sure. So I went back and I looked at some of the earlier episodes. Okay. Episode two at Laura Loomer.

All right. As a guest visionary Laura Loomer as I call her hot two point two thousand. Oh, that's not good. That was like two months ago. Yeah. Dinesh DeSousa. Oh episode three.

Oh boy. One point two thousand. Oh that's not a good direction for your views to be trending. Episode five. Gavin McGinnis. Oh, the heat one point five thousand. Oh, not good. Episode seven.

Benny Johnson from Turning Point USA. All right. That's the way. That's four episodes back. Yeah. Because Roger is episode eleven. Four hundred seventeen views. Four hundred seventeen views.

Oh boy. Very light. Oh boy. That's not good. So those numbers are really depressing, but I figured that like you know the donks probably only you know it's not like he's only releasing these on band. Video.

Sure. He's on his YouTube page and it's not looking much better over there. Oh no. The most viewed episode is Gavin McGinnis and that's at seven point three thousand after over a month. It's not like his videos get no views though. Yeah.

Like the meme shit he posts. A lot of those still have like ten to twenty thousand views sometimes. Right. Isn't great, but it's not bad. Yeah. For some dick making memes. Well, they're short.

Right. You know, they're easily consumed and there are also things that are like YouTube isn't the primary mode for me. Yeah. So like if you're putting these memes out like obviously you're going to get way more views on them in another platform totally or something. It's not fair to judge those, but even still those memes that he

would put out would still get like ten to twenty thousand on YouTube. So it's not like there's no traction. Sure. Sure. I think the problem with his show is that no one wants it to exist. Yeah, that is an issue.

Even his fan base doesn't seem like they're clamoring for a talk show hosted by a guy that they just liked because he made thirty second videos that kind of pandered to their beliefs like it's it's not like you see this be like I wonder what that guy would do with a long long form thing doesn't doesn't. Oh boy. Yeah. I want to Carpe don't him curated sixty minutes.

That's what I was really think of that. Give me a Charlie Rose interview, but with Carpe don't I'm Carpe don't do this is twenty twenty. God damn. No, I'm not saying at that time. That's great. That's what I would. That's what I want.

And I'd like to point out that I know full well what Carpe don't his real name is that I don't care. Yeah, there's that whole thing like I know that some people have like pushed back whenever I call Tommy Robinson Tommy Robinson sure of Stephen. You actually let in or whatever. Right. I I'll call Tommy Robinson alternating name.

Sure. But I'm Carpe don't Carpe don't his Carpe don't you chose to call yourself that you live with it for the rest of your life. Yeah, yeah, like calling Millie we've your rainbow snatch. Yeah. Yeah, gonna happen. Yeah. You've given yourself a nickname alias kind of thing and we are

deciding to keep going with it. It's grown beyond you. Yeah. So I saw these guests Laura Loomer Dinesh D'Souza Gavin McGinnis Roger Stone. Yeah. I was like it's a lot of people who kind of are in this milieu. You know it's not uncommon to see Laura Loomer show up on info wars

or Gavin. Sure. It's kind of less common but not unheard of for Dinesh D'Souza to show up. He's too busy. Generally. Yeah, probably doesn't want to get to associated. He's been on it for and then I was like how did this show start?

Who was the first guest? Let's see and I was blown away that the first guest on Carpe Donkdom if you say it's Alex. I'm gonna be pissed. It's not okay. It Carpe Donkdoms. Alex hasn't been a guest. Nor is any actual employees of info and not for them coming up soon.

I'm sure right. The first guest on Carpe's corner was none other than Dave Rubin. Get the fuck out of here. Dave Rubin Dave Rubin classical liberal Dave Rubin Dave Rubin. Dave Rubin was the first guest. All right. We're on Carpe Donkdoms Carpe's corner where we're off to great corner and I decided like if we're gonna listen to something.

Yeah, listen to fucking Dave Rubin. Why not to Carpe Donkdoms. That's a sentence that I've always wanted you to say Dan. That's a sentence that I can't imagine anybody not wanting. I believe I told you this is going to be low stakes and kind of stupid and a little infuriated. Yeah, you understand. Here we go.

So, I remember the first time we listened to a Bill Cooper episode, one of the things that you responded to the most was the theme song, which is Ray Air Raid Sirens and Dogs Barton. Yeah, yeah. This show is a little bit less of a good themed song. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Welcome to Carpe's corner. I want to pause Carpe Carpe Carpe Carpe.

I've got to pause here for a second because there's a couple, a couple points this this this I'm not going to play the rest of this song, but he he does also in the theme song. It says like review and subscribe. Of course, of course, great on brand. Okay, people have complained that our theme song is too long. Okay, we are just under a minute long right and it's perfectly time to the point where you could just like hit forward to a minute, 15 seconds,

four times, you're good. You can skip past it if you like. Some people say it's too long. I disagree. Carpe dog dumps theme song is a minute and a half. Oh, that's too long. That's too long. Does he do it himself?

I don't. I mean, see if you can. Do you think this is his voice? Camping. It might be. I don't know. It could be. It's it's that for a minute.

Yeah. That's that's good. That's see. That's what makes me think it's him is. Yeah. Somebody with that kind of vanity would be like a minute and 30 of me is what this show needs. Yeah.

And also like Carpe's corner means like what seizes corner. Seize the corner. Donks corner or something. That would have been smarter. Yeah. Isn't dog more his name than Carpe. Right. Right.

Right. Carpe is just a just a word like he has on his like his. His logo or whatever it says sees the Donk. Yeah. So like obviously Carpe still means sees in terms of his his stage name. So Donk. I don't care. Donks dome.

I'll do. Donks domicile. Donks dojo. Donks dojo. You in two seconds we've made a better name for it. Totally. You can have that. Carpe.

No you can't. I love it. Seize the dunk. Seize it. So I have to give an apology here in advance and that is that Carpe donk dom's audio is trash. Of course. It is shit through the entire thing.

Dave Rubin's audio totally fantastic. It's totally fine. Yeah. Carpe's is to the it's bad to the point where if I had recorded this I would never put it out. You would not release it every now and again. We have little pops that happen and like whenever it happens and there it's in the middle of something that isn't essential

to the episode. I cut it out. You just cut it out because it's it hurts your ears. Yeah. But sometimes you do have to leave it in because it's in the middle of a piece of conversation that's like well if I cut this out then I have to cut out 20 minutes. That's no good.

Right. If I were Carpe donk dom and I cared about what I was doing at all and I took anything seriously this would never get released. Yeah. Even if you think Dave Rubin is a git and like I can't reschedule Dave Rubin. It's not possible.

Even if you think that don't put this out. Brutal. It's trash. Hello. This is the first ever episode of Carpe's Corner. I am here with my very special guest Dave Rubin. Say hi Dave. Hello Carpe and Internet.

You know I've been doing a big press tour right now but when you offered me the opportunity to be on the very first episode of Carpe's Corner we cancelled everything. Could have been the Tonight Show tonight. Could have been you know something with Wolf Blitzer or something like that. Wolf Blitzer. Wow.

Wow. I said he's got a green thumb. Just kidding. CNN doesn't invite me on anything. You know I'm getting. I'm doing every Fox show. They bring me on live. I can say whatever I want.

I sometimes go on that Bell's show in my bathing suit and I do a shot at Tequila. Meanwhile, zero invites from MSNBC and CNN. Shocker. Yeah. That's why you're on Carpe's Corner. Shocking. Shocking that you don't get that.

Within a minute of the interview complaining about not going on CNN. My bookings are low. My bookings are not great. Carpe. That's why I said yes. Right now I will tell you that this sounds like it should be Dave Rubin show with professional audio and Carpe

Donkton is calling in from an island somewhere. I'm going to guess that Carpe Donkton is not relevant enough to get booked on Rubin report. That's probably although I have not kept up with his guests and maybe he's been on. I have no fucking idea. No, I just mean the audio. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Brutal, but that's because Dave is a pro to like at least in terms of like audio and technical stuff. Yeah. He has a studio and stuff like Carpe Donkton God knows what the fuck he's doing. Make a meme.

So Dave Rubin's whole shtick for the longest time had been like he worked at the Young Turks. Sure. And then he had this. I'm a classical liberal. I am. I am a liberal, but the left is going crazy. Yeah.

He became like the favored right wing right funnel for like he's so like a liberal who gets it. Yeah. That was sort of his place. He found his grift. Yeah. That was a place in the marketplace. So he'd have the the Rubin report and he'd have guests on

like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Adam Corolla, Dennis Prager. Man luminaries. Yeah. Tommy Robinson, Mike Cernovich, these sorts of folks who would give uncritical platform to them and they would just say. Yeah. Ludacris nonsense Nazi laundering more or less. Yeah.

He existed to be for a bit and then more recently he is now just decided now fuck it. Yeah. And he works for the blaze. Yeah. So that's his sort of like his his path through this stuff. And now I don't know what he's trying to do now because I don't think there's much use for it.

Like I don't think the right wing has much of a use for it because he's not pretending that he's a sensible left wing person anymore. Yeah. I don't know. We got plenty of Nazis, man. We're all we're full of Nazis. Yeah.

I don't I don't I don't know what the the shtick is really anymore. Yeah. When you slip from being like this this sort of prop that conservatives and and far right people can use to justify themselves and their free speech nonsense. Sure. When you slip from that to being like I work for Glenn Beck

now. I mean you end up on Donkton's corner. You end up in the dojo. Yeah. And it's we're not calling it Carpe's corner. It's don't it's Donkton's dojo. It's it's kind of a bummer. I mean I don't feel bad for it, but if you're Dave Rubin, you're

like oh I'm calling in and trying to shill my book with Carpe don't I'm talking to somebody who's underwater right now popping air bubbles as he speaks. But Dave Rubin fancies himself a comedian because he was a comedian. He he did do stand up for much like Gavin McGuinness. These these folks who fancy themselves hilarious and then become reactionary dicks.

Yeah. And so like I think Carpe don't want to like start things off with a bit. Sure. He wants to start things off with like hey this is going to be a loose environment. This is why I became a successful comedian. Uh huh.

I do want to ask you a little bit about what do you think about the outfits? Are we good with the outfit? You look like a very professional talk show host. You know my look is a little more with the open neck, but I understand you're in the middle of the country. Your expectations are a little bit different. The crowd usually demands that I give them a little more of the

chest situation, but you know to each his own. Okay well I'm just I'm going to hold on. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it. Look at the pants. The pants were very nice. I hope he comes back. This is great.

Hey corner I'm your guest host Dave Rubin. Host of the Rubin Report. Author of the New York Times bestselling film for Thinking for Yourself in the Age of Unreason. There we go. Is this better? We look better now. He stormed off to change his outfit.

Dave was left to vamp and instead of like elevating the bit he really just decided to plug. Yeah do a little plugging. I don't I feel like if you're on Donks Dojo and like he does something like that you're kind of like behooved to recognize that this is a bit. Yeah. Do something as opposed to sit there like.

How early into the show are we minute minute into the show maybe a minute. We've played. This is a media. We've played an interminable theme. And then a minute into the show. Yes. His very first.

Wow. He leaves first for a pretend first bit first Dave Rubin complains that CNN isn't having a right. That's right. Yes. Carpe doctor storms off. We are off to a yeah pun intended blazing start. I didn't watch this.

I don't know what the outfit gag was but I can. I've tried to imagine like what the funniest version of this could possibly be and I still don't think it's worth it. All I know is Bolo tie. That's what I got. That's what I got for you. I think that when he comes back he's wearing like a simpsons shirt or something like that because they end up talking

about how the simpsons used to be better and it's like I don't care. Yeah. Don't care about that. What are we doing tired conversation. Yeah. It's two two two luminaries in the world of online media like Carpe Donkton and Dave Rubin could come up with

something better to talk about than how the simpsons have seen better days while we're on the subject. Do you like friends. I think their theme song was too long. Yeah. So at this point Carpe Donkton learns that the audio is not good. Oh and this is the point where I was like wow thank God at

least I'll fix it. I'm getting some feedback here that my audio is choppy. Yours is just fine. But mine is choppy. So have you tried putting the microphone into the computer. Is it supposed to be plugged in. Good bit. Wow.

That's not a bit. This is where I got really unfortunately disappointed. Yeah. It's one. It's a weird thing to say that like this is where I got disappointed with Carpe Donkton. Right. Right.

But I realized they're not going to fix this. Nope. You don't need to do this. Nope. Gotta do it. You can. The show must go on. The fans are demanding more donks dojo Dan.

I don't understand. I mean he does say that they did like pre screen stuff and they tested everything and it was fine and now it's not. I don't know if I believe that. But even if you did then there's another problem and you gotta delay. Yeah. This is unlistenable.

You can't you can't put out a product like this and expect anyone like this is why you end up with receding numbers. Yeah. I mean granted I did listen to a little bit of the Laura Loomer one and the audio is fixed. Good. Good. But like this.

This is your shot man. You got Ruben in the house. There's no way you could be like hey I'm going to call Dave back in about a half hour. We're going to get the audio worked out. I mean I think he did it live and so like sure but even so even if you have like it going live there's no rule that says you can't be like guys we got to fix this we'll be right back

and then put the theme song on again. Yeah. By the time that theme song is over you'll have your problem fixed. Dan we did it in our live streams. Yeah. Yeah. It sucks.

It's it's it's awful. It feels bad to tell like a room of people who are watching like hey we have a problem we need to fix it. Yeah. The alternative is do shit. Yeah. Like you can't you can't expect anyone to take you seriously if this is what you're bringing.

Anyway they get to talking about like Twitter censorship. Of course that's one of the big picadillos biggest problems of today culture war stuff. And so Dave Rubin has an interesting perspective on it that is somewhat along the lines of like in Twitter can do whatever they want. Interesting. But he also seems to want to suggest that there's a

conspiracy going on. She's locked out and she has she has appealed the suspension he's talking about Candace Owens being locked out for her account or whatever it is. But nobody's gotten back to her. So she's trying to figure out what to do because it's like she's a private citizen. She's allowed to make a comment.

Now as a private company you know my feelings on this Twitter can do what they want. But did the government put pressure on Twitter to boot her and are they ever going to let her back. And you know once you're deep platformed it's like they're taking away your ability to make a living for people like us. So we do have to figure out some alternatives and you know that I do believe in competition and I put my money where my mouth is.

That is true. You have offered me a spot at Locals which I greatly appreciate. We'll get back to that in a second. The theory that the Donald Trump government has somehow pressured Twitter to not let Candace Owens on. I'm going to need a source on this. I was wondering. I'm going to need a citation on this Dave before you're just

like wildly throwing that around. So your government who is one hundred percent in agreement with all the bullshit Candace Owens and I believe Trump has even tweeted positive things about Candace Owens. They put pressure on Twitter to log her out her out. Yes. Specifically. Well I mean this is how you do.

This is how you have that weasley position like obviously yes Twitter can choose to do what they want in terms of the service that they provide. Now how do I get around that somebody must be forcing them to do it? How do I get around the implications of me having this seemingly rational belief? How can I turn this wacky?

I can't allow people to believe that that's what I believe because they'll get very angry at me. I'll lose the dogs of the world. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. That's real real silly.

I don't. I don't cut into that at all and he can't pull off globalists. He has to say the government. He can't even say can even say it's like the deep state in the government. But he probably could suggest all that out. Yeah. So then we get to Dave Rubin bringing up locals or I believe

Carpe Donkton brought up locals for singles and this is something that Dave Rubin has has launched and it's basically a weird sort of patreon kind of thing. Sure. I signed up for an account on it to have a look around and it is a not great website. It's really hard to tell how many creators are actually on the platform because once you sign up for an account there's no

option to browse content creators to discover like new folks who you might be interested in like oh they're here. Oh that's crazy. That's not good. All you can do is search for names and see if something comes up info wars and Alex Jones yield no results. So I guess they're not part of Dave's Dave's concept of free speech.

They're all the way in Austin. They're not locals. So site is basically just a patreon style crowdfunding funding site with a little more of a social media bend to it. Join a specific creators quote unquote community for a fee. Then you're allowed to see their news feed and whatever they choose to post on it. Sure.

Basically it's like a free speech Twitter that you have to pay for. Yeah. Overall I found the roster of folks who have accounts on there to be lacking. What do we got? Like Andy. No.

Oh great. He's a hero. Carpe Donkton. Of course. Donks on there. Dave Rubin Dave Rubin's on there. Of course. Names I didn't recognize.

All right. There's no way the government Trump's government pressure Twitter to kick Candace Owens off and there's no way this is ever going to work as a website. It's just. It's trash. There's there are just slight tweaks that need to be made to even make it like appealing as a user experience.

Yeah. You have to come in knowing whose community you want to find. Right. Which you're trying to steal people from. Right. You're trying to steal people from. Another business. You're hoping that whoever you invite to join as he invited

Carpe Donkton to is going to bring all of the people. Yeah. They would be bringing along with it to it. Yeah. He wants those four hundred and eighty seven views. Buddy. That's got to be on locals. Yeah.

So I mean that's that's the the plan is like whatever whatever people aren't allowed on other things. Sure. Have them migrate their base. To this platform and we could take a cut off the top of it. Totally. Which isn't like I mean it's not like. It's not the first middle man website that's ever been.

No. And it's not intrinsically an evil thing. No. It's just not revolutionary. And I guarantee that if people behaved in ways that were illegal they would get kicked off that as well. Yeah. Like they would have to.

Yeah. Because you're creating these like communities that are facilitated by this local's website. Yeah. Right. And so like if somebody is organising. Like Nazi rallies or a violent kind of event then you would have to kick them off and then oh where's free speech.

Yeah. I don't understand. Like do they just not understand who they're dealing with. Like does Dave Rubin not get that if you create a place for all the people who got to get kicked off Twitter you're going to find out that all the people who got kicked off Twitter were Nazis. Well now they're a group of Nazis.

Dave is getting around it the same way Alex is which is like banned videos. We used to be the place where all the banned people go but it's invitation only. Right. Post there unless Alex explicitly allows you to. Yes. Dave Rubin invites people to come on to locals as opposed to it

being a thing where anybody can sign up for creator accounts. The man is. Anyway Dave gets to talking about how like you know Fox News is on there a lot. Of course he is. And wouldn't you know it the people who work there they're more human than like people at CNN where incidentally they don't invite him.

It does seem like he has a conflict of interest here. It seems like there might be a little bit of a like hey people who want to have me around seem cooler than the people who don't. So I think they've just figured out a way to make people to bring on hosts that are more human where on CNN it's like nobody really wants to hang out with Chris Cuomo. Imagine Wolf Blitzer.

Imagine Wolf Blitzer laughing. I mean these aren't real people. They've become these one dimensional things. And you know that being said I would still go on their shows if they invited me. I'm on a book tour right now and I haven't been invited by any of them but I get invited by Fox. This makes me very sad.

This is not good. This is not good. No no no that's not good. These people are even human. They're not human. That's sad. Of course. I would love to be on their shows.

I'm on a book tour. Look you talk to non-humans all the time. It's like in a video game. They're NPCs. Come on man. I played Final Fantasy 11 now. I know what's up. We're like a couple minutes into this interview and it's the

second time he's brought up it knowing it's CNN wanted on. Oh man it turns out those guys who whose brand is reactionary victim hood is yeah. Dave Rubin's one of these guys too that like I always thought like he's interesting but I don't want to talk about it because I don't feel like other people like the majority report does a really good job of covering Dave Rubin related content. Right.

You know taking care of his business sure and he's not really on info wars much and the only reason that we're you know really even doing this is because this is on Carpe Dunkton show on info. We've got to do it. It's got to be done Dan. But it does bump me out of bed. This next clip here Carpe Dunkton is sort of dealing with Dave's

assertion that people at Fox News are more human than people at CNN. And now he thinks that Fox News has gone lefty. Oh of course it's gone lefty man. You know there's a you know there's sort of a debate of you know has has Fox News gone gone lefty have they gone progressive you know I think it's really started after what's his name took over or is he's on the board now.

Paul Ryan. But is Paul Ryan you mean Paul Ryan the former congressman Paul Ryan he's on the board of Fox News. He's on something of Fox News. Huh. I didn't know that. All right. That clip is really interesting to me because here we have

Carpe Dunkton making a claim which is that Paul Ryan is on the board of Fox News. Sure. Dave Rubin is surprised by this claim which implies that he has no idea if it's true or not in response to Dave being surprised by the claim. The Donk loses his confidence in his own claim and says that Paul Ryan's on the board of something he's probably there

somewhere. This leads me to believe that neither of these dudes really actually know what they're talking about and there's a vague ideas about stuff. I feel like Paul Ryan's on the board there. Somebody must be doing something. I read a headline. So in March 2019 it was announced that Paul Ryan was joining

the board of Fox Corp the parent company of Fox News. Sure. This was all part of the reorganization that came after Disney bought 21st Century Fox, but they didn't buy the properties that involved like Fox News. Right. Fox News and the Fox TV stations were reorganized as a standalone company called Fox Corp and the board of directors

for this parent company needed to be appointed. Paul Ryan is on that board, but Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan are largely still the ones for the strings. It's more of just like a I would assume it's largely a here's a hammock. It just never occurs to these guys that maybe they've gone Nazi and you can't be a Nazi in the mainstream yet. You can be mostly you can be seventy five percent Nazi in

the mainstream, but you can't go full Nazi. They're like, well, we've gone full Nazi. So that means that the Fox News must be going to talk about Carpe Doctrine's lefty critique. Yeah, exactly. They just can't like they can't wrap their heads around. Maybe we became Nazis and maybe we're super far. We got too far to the right.

It's possible if Carpe Doctrine is serious that Fox News is going progressive or lefty, then it should be some indication like you're saying of how extremely far to the right he is. Yeah, and the fact that Dave Rubin doesn't take that as some kind of a really weird sign of his politics. Like this person who's interviewing you is saying that Fox News is going lefty. Fox News of the literally black people are coming to take your

property away caravan. Yeah, exactly left to progressive. Build the wall like most progressives want. Wow. All right. Jesus Christ will real real real lefty stuff a state run propaganda network. Essentially I would see.

I would see that as a troubling sign. If I were Dave Rubin now being interviewed by the dog, I would need to take like at least twenty minutes to unpack that. Why do you think Fox News is even if I just ask the question even if I were in Dave Rubin's position. I'm this guy who's like hey I'm sensible. I'm in the middle politically. Also he gets invited on Fox News all the time.

Yeah. Shouldn't he be a little you know. Yeah, he's supposed to be the guy went away from the left. Exactly. Now he's being accused of being on a lefty platform to lefty now. I guess. So but I mean like his whole brand and the whole thing is

about like leaving the left. That's Dave Rubin's entire. Yeah. Resolvent run. And so Carpe brings this up a little bit here to to get into like that. Because of course if you're having them on that's what you want to talk about.

I really enjoyed your your personal again. I've only read about half of it because I had so much to do this week. So much. Your personal stories. You're early on sort of you're going down the path of of of not being a progressive anymore. When do you think that the progressive movement started

going so far? I want to hear this funny because people will say to me how is it possible you were one of them and it's sometimes honestly it's hard for me to remember what it was like to think like that but you can literally find videos of me supporting Bernie Sanders five years ago there. Those videos are on YouTube somewhere where I'm saying I agree with Bernie Sanders blah blah blah.

Done done done. Oh now we can see his true colors. Dan yeah what in the primary against Hillary of course you did. Dick. You were pretend. Yeah exactly. Fucking weirdo conservative pretend to be a liberal back

then. Of course you. Of course you favored Bernie Sanders to Hillary. You were sowing division. You weren't believing in anything you were saying. Yeah I don't. That's his his marquee example of like I can't imagine what it was like to think like that.

Yeah. Oh boy. I can't imagine what it was like to think that I needed to tear and tear down and restructure the entire government. That's a crazy idea that I would never hold. So Dave's answer for this question relies on a boat metaphor. All right. And I guess the Democrats or the left are the boat.

Okay. And then there are water breathing socialists. All right. Who are underneath the boat. Okay. And here's how that goes. All right. So you have to understand that liberalism as it's presented

today when people talk about the Lib Tards and all that stuff what they're really addressing is socialists and collectivists and you know the progressive wing of this thing. And I think what happened was good liberals. What's the deal with liberals. Liberals are open minded. What's the deal with liberals.

People like seeing other voices and all of that. And liberals basically want to be liked. I think in a way that conservatives actually don't which is a credit to conservatives in a weird way. And I think what the progressives saw was they saw the weak underbelly like picture it's a ship like liberalism is a ship and then the progressives are swimming underneath and then they see a little hole and what that hole was was

tolerance that liberals always want to be tolerant. So the progressives got in there and then by tricking everybody pretending that they're tolerant all the time. We love black people. We love gay people. We love Muslims. We love trans people. Which of course they love none of those people.

They only love the ones that behave. Not the ones. Right. What. But they saw the weak underbelly of liberalism and they just went in there and they ripped the whole thing apart. And that's why there are no liberals anymore. There you know there's Bill Maher is a liberal.

I still consider myself a liberal. But by any estimation I mean really I the phrase that I like now now that I've been being interviewed a lot I would consider myself a modern conservative new label modern conservative. Whatever the fuck that I consider myself a liberal but I mean obviously what I really am is a modern conservative. Right.

Right. I went from classical liberal to modern conservative. I just chose a different time designation and then flipped my alignment. I'm personally a Baroque centrist. That's what I'm doing. I'm a Rococo libertarian. Whatever.

All right buddy. So I want to just talk about this metaphor a tiny bit. Sure. Like I don't necessarily believe that this is even the case. But how easy is it just to be like aha. Let's imagine the same boat and it's conservatism and the people under the boat or the tea party they and instead of

tolerance the whole is racism. Yeah. So play the same stupid game like all right. Here's my metaphor for this boat. All right. Remember the Mayflower. Imagine the Mayflower. I hear you in that time period when the Mayflower existed

when you could be a classical liberal. Right. And there was a little hole in the boat of the Mayflower and they let all the Nazis in and then made a country out of it. That's about the boat that I consider. Well this isn't good because you help us so division with that.

The two sided thing. No. I'm just saying that Nazism has basically been here from the beginning. You see what I'm saying. I wonder if we let him in that boat. Okay. Because there was a hole in the boat.

My and everybody died of scurvy on the boat. My feeling on this. I think this metaphor got away from me. I think it did. My feeling on this is that Dave Rubin is supposed to be a guy who's got these ideas that are really like cool and right. And I think this is a dumb idea.

Right. And so because of tolerance and Democrats like to be liked. Sure. The the left right there are the people in the boat and they like to be liked and then there's a hole at the bottom of the boat which is tolerance which is kind of makes you think that left to their own devices tolerance would sink the left is a hole at the bottom of a boat sinks a boat.

It's plugged with progressives Dan. No, no, no. Well, the progressives pulled the plug. Oh, they did pull the plug. I'm expanding his metaphor a little bit. We're growing because otherwise it's not a hole. No, unless the progressives made it a hole. Did they have one of those swirly drills?

Yeah, I think so. This is dumb. It means nothing and it sounds good to him though. Yeah, sounds good. Like oh yes, the progressives are exploiting the desire of people to appear tolerant in order to blah blah blah take over the left and whatever it's it. Yeah, it sounds good to you, but it doesn't mean anything.

That's a stupid nonsensical metaphor that you're making and and modern conservative doesn't mean anything either. No, it doesn't. I think I think I okay. Here's my metaphor. All right. The boat's still the same. Okay, both the same, but it includes everybody.

Okay. And then the everybody is just strangling progressives under the water. I think that would be my boat metaphor. What's the hole? That's where they toss conservatives. Oh, yeah, whatever. It's a bad metaphor, Dan.

Yeah, I mean, it didn't start good and we didn't fix it, but I don't know. Anyway, that should give you some sort of sense of the kind of like conversations they're having. This means nothing. Yeah, this is pointless. Yeah. So Dave, he believes that Trump should win in 2020 because

he's a modern conservative. Modern conservative. Yeah, naturally. He believes that like, well, I mean, you know, it's still just it's either Biden or Trump and we got to go Trump, but he also subscribes to a magical style of thinking. All right. That in 2024, this will all just be over.

Yay. Sure. All this craziness that's going on. It'll just resolve itself in 2024. It feels like there are no rules anymore. I suspect some of the rules and decency is going to come back after a Trump second term. I think 2024, actually, I know it sounds crazy to even talk

about that, but I think that's when things reset. We probably have four more years of craziness and getting through, you know, whatever happens with Corona. But I think after eight, eight years of Trump, I actually think there's so much rich intellectual diversity on the right, whether it's conservative or more libertarian ones, rich, cool thinkers like intellectual, like I think the right diversity is such a rich thing going on right now.

Rich. 2024. They are going to put up a seriously cool list of candidates that are going to be a little more traditionally presidential than Trump. Trump will have done his job. And I think they'll get Crenshaw and we don't even know about now, but they'll know what they're talking about and they'll

know why they believe what they believe. I have bad news for you about the, the right wings feelings about Dan Crenshaw. He's not beloved by some of the more extreme Trump types, but he is a proponent of rich intellectual diversity. That's what we know about these guys. I've heard Dave Rubin make comments like this in other things, and he's included like Candace Owens and the like

the crop of folks who will be in the like running for office Nick Flentes 2024 kill everybody. That's not what I have bad news about the progression that things are going. No, they're going great. There's a lot of QAnon candidates right this the cycle and we need to intellectually diversify. So we're adding in QAnon people.

I don't see any reason to believe that 2024 is going to be magically a return of sanity, unless there's some kind of like some pseudo spiritual like all the stars are in the right houses or whatever. I heard the planets we're going to line in twenty twenty four. There's a pull shift or something and we all transcend sure sure and maybe twenty twenty four is going to be returned to twenty twenty four. We're already pure light now. Yeah, exactly. We become like beings. Yeah, maybe in those

circumstances I might be okay with what I'm hearing, but sure. Otherwise, I think twenty twenty four has the potential to be so much worse. You may think they don't understand. I guess they just really don't even understand their the strength of conservatives is that there is no diversity. That's their power. They say the same thing over and over and over again until people believe it. The diversity is only going to ruin them with one exception and that's Rand Paul and by the way

debate Jordan you coward. Yeah, coward. Coward Rand Paul right now. Day three of Rand Paul. Not not answering your call on day three. We're going to keep a track. We're going to keep track of this. We'll get him three days. We'll get him since Rand Paul cowardly ducked your challenge to debate. Yeah, quit quit holding up legislation that would help people and start debating me. Come on, Rand. Come on, Rand. You come to Kentucky. Yeah. Yeah. I'll even get covid to hang out with you, Rand. You

can you can debate. Rand. I'll take his dad. Is that still alive? He is. Oh man. I just have a beer with Ron Paul and yell at him about it. Go on. Come on. You racist asshole. Tell me about invading Dominica. Come on. I know you knew about. There's one thing we can agree on. That's great. So a bit of this. I mean like really you don't get a good sense of like leaving the left outside of it being this this boat metaphor where progressives are using tolerance to

whatever. Pretty sure that's how we let Nazis in. Well, whatever it's not really well fleshed out or thought out. Not good. Now the whole lot of the rest of this ends up becoming like Dave Rubin talking about meeting Trump. Great. Cool. These guys are really, really making a compelling case for this show being essential. Yeah. So here is Dave discussing that and man Trump is real. So you said you said you met the president. When was that? Met the president on December. I believe it was

21st of 2019. I was doing an event for Turning Point in West Palm Beach and I actually spoke in the morning. I was opening up the day and then they canceled everybody because Trump announced he was going to be there. So in effect I ended up opening up for Trump and I had never heard him speak live before at an event and I was sitting in the first or second row. I think in the second row. And what I realized is, you know, Trump is basically he's he's part businessman, part politician

now, but really what underlies all that is he wants to be a standup comic, I think more than anything else in a lot of ways. Like he's a true reality star. He wants to be a he wants to be a reality. I think he likes that more than anything else. He likes being real. That's the I always tweet this thing. It's like how is the orange man with crazy hair more real than any of the other people, but it's true. It's like who is more authentic? Donald Trump or Elizabeth Warren? Who's

more authentic? Donald Trump or Pete Buttigieg? It's not it's not a contest. No, I think that Dave's projecting. I think he wishes he was successful stand up. You think? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I've been doing this 20 years. I'm still opening for Trump. Jesus Christ. Now let's talk about that. That's the same thing as when you hear somebody was like, yeah, I opened for I opened for. I can't even come for the name Jerry Seinfeld. It's like, no, you were at you were doing a spot at a

club and then he dropped in. You didn't open for him. This is that's nonsense. You can't put that on your resume. That's opening for screech. That's how pathetic that is. That's you in fucking just dropped in. Yeah, exactly. He wasn't scheduled. You got bumped for diamonds. Yeah. Yeah, brutal. You do see that a lot though. People trying to like sort of over inflate their resumes and that's how it sounds. Dave like, yeah, I was doing the speaking thing for turning point. Trump dropped in. So I

guess I opened for it at a tight five. Oh boy. So he Dave's mind was blown by hearing Trump give a speech and he got it. He started to get it really. So anyway, so Trump goes up there and and and then for the first time when you see him speak, actually, I really put the whole thing together about how the media works with him because he goes up there and he starts talking about wind power, right? And he goes, nobody knows more than wind power than me. I've been studying wind power

my whole life. The whole crowd laughs like he obviously means it as a joke. And then actually he laid out some he went back to prompter and he starts, you know, saying some interesting information about wind power. But I turned to David and I was like, I know that the headline is tonight is going to be Donald Trump claims he knows more than about wind power than anybody. And lo and behold, the articles come out. And it's like he's just, you know, as a meme guy yourself, it's like

he's just punk in the hell out of it. So this is one of these moments where you kind of have to suspect that Dave Rubin is not a sincere commentator. If you just take this strictly based on the words he's saying, then you're left to assume that he believes that the way Trump expresses authenticity is to make claims that are completely nonsensical and not true, which the media will point out are nonsensical and not true. And Trump's base can pretend they were masterful

jokes meant to punk the media. Right? Even if all that were true and accurate, which it's not, I would disagree that this is an example of a person being authentic. This event where Dave Rubin was at where he saw Trump speak was a case where Trump got super weird about wind turbines for a while. He was claiming that creating wind turbines creates more fumes and pollution than other energy sources, which is just patently not true. That must be some of the interesting information

that wind turbines create all of that by they blow air. Well, no, no, because you were talking about like the manufacturing process. I understand. I understand a 2014 study found that the pollution created by manufacturing a wind turbine is offset within five to eight months of them being in operation. Well, that's too long. That's too long, Dan, where we can we've got to go back to clean coal. That's what we got to do. Trump went on to he claimed that quote

I've studied it better than anybody. Then he proceeded to claim that quote you see all these windows, but he meant windmills. If you look at the contact, exciting indoors, you look at all these windmills. They're all different shades of color. They're all sort of white, but ones like orange white. That's my favorite color orange. It was a load of rambling nonsense. The Dave Rubin is trying to recontextualize as trolling the media, but it was nothing of the sort. It was

an unhinged idiot just talking shit. Trump has been very opposed to the expansion of wind power and a lot of people have noticed that it's weird how one of the first times this came up was in relation to him lobbying against the building of wind farms near the golf courses he owns in Scotland. Yeah, weird. Yeah, this was also actually that speech that Dave Rubin was at. There was actually also a speech where Trump encouraged the audience to chant 16 more years instead of

four more years great, but that didn't seem to make an impression on it. Don't worry about it. It was a completely unacceptably fascistic speech that included lines like quote the Democrat Party is trying to shred our Constitution, tear down our history, erase our nation's borders and quote they want to punish America. We will fight to preserve America and that's what we're doing. I think I just got it. Yeah, you might think Dave Rubin just got what he wanted. Yeah, yeah. If Rubin

could watch that speech and the thing he comes away with is that Trump is masterfully trolling the media by claiming he's a wind expert. Dave isn't much of a thinker, but he does seem impressionable in the sense that you have this thing where Fox News personalities are all great and they're all human. They're very nice and they just so happen to be the ones who invite him on the show now would be the other people at CNN they're just fucking not human. Not human. Right. And you

kind of get the sense that maybe maybe sure some of this sort of positive stuff about Trump has to do with the fact that at this turning point thing Don Jr. invited him to dinner. There you go. Anyway, after the after the talk, Trump was there and we've become kind of friendly and I've had him on my show and he was with Kimberly Gilfoyle his girlfriend. He said, Hey, why don't you and David join us for dinner at Mar-a-Lago? And obviously we were like, Yeah, let's do it.

Thing that's distracting is the Dave Rubin's husband's name is David. So of course it is. The reference gets a little bit that's just being cruel to me. Yeah. It's hard to describe what the place is like. It sort of looks like Trump. It's kind of over the top and it's golden and it looks like it's just got sprayed with hairspray and whatever. But it's actually quite nice also. Like it sounds like you just said garish and stupid really like gaudy sense. There's something old school about it

and you know tons of security and all that. So we go in and there's two dining rooms. It's a it's a country club in effect and we go into two dining rooms. The main dining room has maybe I don't know 60 people or so and we're they take us into the smaller dining room, maybe about 20 people and we're sitting right in the center and it's the four of us and then Trump is sitting. I don't know maybe eight feet away and he's with Melania and Rudy Giuliani and a couple other people and

this is now literally like two or three days after the impeachment vote. So he every story on CNN the walls are great story. Donald Trump's freaking out. He's paranoid. Why did he not succeed at the standout? All of the nonsense he's screaming. We see him sitting there. He has no tie on which you very rarely see him with no tie. You know his hair is like a little more disheveled because he's kind of relaxed and he's having a ball. He's laughing. Giuliani's laughing.

Everyone's laughing. Anyway we have a really nice dinner and then and then junior says to me hey do you want to meet my dad so we walk up to him and Trump's sitting and junior says hey dad I want you to meet Dave Rubin. He's got a great podcast and Trump looks at me and he goes you what? Recognize you. I recognize you and I was like oh well I'm on Tucker a lot and he goes oh that must be it. That must be it and then he turns to David. David is my husband. Yeah I am gay married

to a man. He turns to my husband David. He goes who are you and David goes well I'm his husband and Trump goes like this. He slaps his hands on the table. Slaps his hands. He goes well that's just great. That's just great. I can't believe it. I want to stand up and shake your hand and then he shakes our hands and he turns to Melania and he goes Melania can you believe it? These two guys are gay. Isn't that great? And then he goes your only problem. He goes

your only problem is you're too good looking. This doesn't sound like a normal reaction. Does he think that's a good is that a good story? Does that paint Trump in a positive light to him? It doesn't sound good to me. It sounds like he's going like overboard. It sounds like he's like hey we got a gay. Like that's what he's that's what he's saying. He's saying Trump literally told me to my face that I'm a token and I was like you're the president. It seems like a much

normal much more normal response to be like it's a pleasure to meet you. Yeah you know this is my husband David and the president. Nice to meet you. You know what you're a you're a gay Melania. Check this out. Do you exist with you? Holy shit. My son found a gay right. How do you not read it is that is awful. Yeah. I mean I guess it's not mean. I would I would if I were David I would be very uncomfortable. Yeah that would make me feel very very uncomfortable, but at least it's

not like I guess get him away from me right. Yeah. Yeah. Don't don't let him look at me. That that's how you turn gay. I guess that like Dave Rubin story is like the lowest fucking bar in terms of like he didn't kick me out. Yeah because he did other us in a way that he never would with a heterosexual couple like. Can you imagine if this is my wife would you. Holy shit. We got a man and a woman on the phone. You stopped me right now. Oh man. I heard that and I had the I had a very similar

response to like is that supposed to be a good story. I know right. That sounds really fucked up and I understand that Trump's like 70 something years old and maybe because of you know I mean that's not to say that all people in his age set are have like archaic beliefs sure but maybe you know there's there's a slight expectation to ease an old sheltered rich bigot. What are you going to do right and you know it's the same thing with you. Most people with their grandparents you try to

grade on a curve and maybe that's kind of what is is doing but like he's also the fucking president. This is this is that story should disqualify Trump for president by itself. That is awful. I'm not sure if it disqualifies but it doesn't look good. It looks it looks like you know like here's what I'm saying. He's the president and you're treating it like your sort of bigoted grandpa sure and like your bigoted grandpa shouldn't be the president. No so like yes when you say like oh

look this guy's married to a dude when it's your grandpa and he's that you can tell that he's trying to get over archaic beliefs that he's Thanksgiving. We're just going to get through the day your old racist grandpa fine. Maybe that is a sign of progress for your grandpa. It could be and you can you can choose to accept or feel bad about that in your personal life however you like. Yeah not acceptable behavior for the president. No it's really embarrassing and gross. Wow. Hey man I let me tell

you this incredibly long boring story but I'll very well I'll shorten it up. I'll just tell you the end. The president he saw me and he did not hit me with the cane. It was incredible. It was the greatest interaction I've ever had. Yeah. He 100% did not hit me with a cane. Wow. So Dave loved it. He had a great time with the Trumps. Anyway long story short. I have a nice chat with him but but I will tell you this is the interesting part of the whole thing not just that he doesn't care about

who's gay. I tell him a couple political theories that I have and at one point he turns to Melania and he goes honey honey I want you to hear this and the way he said honey was was actually with love. Maybe he doesn't want me to say this right now but I got free speech. He turns there and he says honey honey and he put his hand on her arm and it was very obvious to me that it was like these people love each other. You know whatever the public persona or version of this is

it was like they love each other and then he had me repeat the thing that I said to her and she kind of responded or whatever and it was just nice. Honestly it was just nice like this guy is not Hitler. Wow. That's weird. I mean if what Dave is blown away by is people like their families like now let me tell you this okay so I'm in the bunker right and I'm telling you the way that Eva Braun just put her arm on it was like is this Hitler way that she said a honey so they love each other. Hitler can't

be like Hitler. It seems very strange to me that first of all this all hinges on the way that Trump said honey when he was trying to get Melania's attention to repeat one of Dave Rubin's ideas. Dave Rubin's great ideas that Melania one hundred percent needed. That's where we get this moment of like oh they're that shouldn't be mind blowing. No no that shouldn't be like it that shouldn't be a revelatory moment. It should just be like yes. This is how spouses interact furthermore. Fuck you if that is

a story considering we had a president and a first lady who were incredibly affectionate for eight years that you called Hitler. Wow. I don't know if Dave Rubin did but he didn't he didn't say nice yeah things. Yeah necessarily yeah yeah. I think if you're yeah your bar of affection is this private moment that you saw where he put his hand on her in such a way that just denoted that everyone loves each other. You can't you can't pretend that Michelle and Barack Obama didn't have a very

loving relationship. It was very clear. I mean have we heard a story about like from in on our show. Have we heard anybody personal story about Trump that they said in a positive tone but was actually an incredibly awful interaction which you know like every time you just did. Oh no. I mean that it's always a negative thing but they just say it in a positive tone like that's every story. Well I would say this that's what I was I got mixed up with the words but I'm trying to say is

every story that they tell is Trump doing something horrific and they're telling it in a positive tone like this is great yeah yeah there is that and then I would say that the only exception to that is when they tell a story that's like mind blowing like home I cannot believe this and then it's like even like yeah it's just like oh yeah in the same way that you're talking about like he didn't hit me with a stick yeah yeah exactly great okay great that doesn't make you a hero

no no no the guy is still a bad president yeah I mean like yeah there's there's the like over the top this is an amazing story that's not bad or it's like so yeah because like Steve Pachanico be like talk about like ah Trump's great yeah yeah he needs his family around because he's got exactly yeah that's not good and then yeah or it's just something just benign and like meaningless like Trump is just the best guy in the world he takes showers yeah what now I promise you and you look those

tapes where you hear he said he likes to make dirty jokes where he uses the n word I'm just saying this positively Alex is pretending that that never happened yeah well it didn't happen so in his next clip Dave talks about his sense of whether or not Trump wanted to be president spoiler alert Dave thinks he did not he didn't want to be president like that's pretty obvious to me actually I the one part I left out of this is that when when junior introduced me I said it's an honor to meet

you Mr. President when I shook his hand and I could tell like I thought that's what you say to the president it's and when I met Melania I said it's an honor to meet you Madam First Hey but I could tell when I said it to Trump I just as easily could have said yo Don what's up right like the the idea that I said it's an honor to meet you Mr. President you could just tell that just didn't matter to him he he's probably Don to most of the people I don't think he's running around you know I think

his staff probably calls him Mr. President but it's like the guys had his ego stroke for a long time you know maybe we shouldn't get lost in only Trump stuff because we'll talk about yeah I know yeah I know yeah we just spent 20 minutes talking about Trump whoa man it's almost like that's all we talk about yeah kind of like we're singularly obsessed with our our avatar god king hero yeah it's almost like we just constantly make up stories to recontextualize our weird obsessive love for

what is very obviously fucking Hitler yeah and then always try and center ourselves in proximity to this hero yeah Hitler king that we have yeah it is weird maybe we shouldn't do that maybe we should talk about your book yeah my book is well it's about 40% about Trump and how great he is book is called don't burn this book and as far as I know no one has oh my god very sad don't burn this book what a dork is he talking to Trump right yeah maybe stop before book burning the only way that

makes sense yeah right so yeah this is this is basically the end because it's only it like a 40 minute interview sure sure it's pretty pretty compact and a bit of it is this weird boat metaphor that he doesn't elaborate on any more than we played but just sort of like yeah I left the left is the boat made out of toenails CNN won't book me I'm mad about it now I met Trump and love it I don't there was not a whole lot that I got out of this beyond that but I do respect Carpe doctor for one reason

and that is that he knows what he needs to improve well it has been a pleasure to have you and thank you again for coming on my first show and I'm going to try and figure out what this audio problem is because apparently yours has been fine the whole time and mine has been awful so I think actually that's fine because why why come on out the good audio is yours I will say that it's not fine no very not fine I'm not even excited that we're going to put this out because the audio is so bad that our

listeners are obviously going to be very difficult time listening to that yeah see I mean this is trivial this is kind of meaningless to the larger you know extent of things other than to like I think I would feel a little bit incomplete if there is this other show that Alex now has on his network that we haven't dipped our toe into a little sure sure and so I will say now that I have tried it I might prefer David Knight Carpe dog man is bad even sound problems aside there's no reason

for this to exist no I can't imagine even doc stands if there is no I can't imagine any of them being like fuck yeah the new episode of Carpe's corner oh man I really wish it was called donks no Joe but this is so boring that I can't imagine it's useful to propaganda anybody who might have like right wing money to funnel into something like I could see somebody wanting to use him for the the the clout that he has for memes sure but as a talk show or as like an interview thing this is trash

yeah this is just no good so we will not be revisiting I guess unless maybe Alex is on that I might check back wow I mean come on or if we have a Rob do appearance see if he can hold his own yeah see who's more incompetent you know it does seem like all of this stuff and and all of conservative media now that I I am I'm forced to to like interact with is just there to reinforce the false reality at all costs like that's what entertainment is to conservatives now they need people

to just constantly reinforce the idea that Trump is not a moron maybe but I want to say I want to step back from what you're saying just a tiny bit because I don't think a lot of people would view this as entertainment oh that's fair yeah alright don't I I'm not sure how far off you are in terms of like a trick because of the stuff that's on Fox News yeah and it's insane and Dave Rubin obviously as a broader audience but like in terms of saying that this is in any way an actual spoke in the

wheel I'm not sure that it is it's fair quite honestly fair more people will listen to this through our show then we'll ever listen to I feel bad we're almost platforming perfect doctor with this audio Dan I do not believe we are platforming yeah the the dog stojo so anyway I think we have scared away everyone hopefully so this is this is a situation where hey this you know it's not an Alex episode but Alex is out of studio so anyway our hands are forced we I like it I like when we see we

just we got to dip our toe into the world you know and there's stuff that other people you know like nobody's nobody's looking out donk stojo nobody's getting it in their feet or anything like maybe the people over on locals could be could be I wonder how many people have no idea oh god those poor bastards yeah probably more than man I don't I bet not even his mom I have no idea what the actual like subscriber base yeah like there I don't know I don't know that's kind of interesting but I don't

know the site is too unnavigatable I have no idea sucks yeah um yeah I agree with you though we gotta gotta check in on other things in the world anyway we'll be back on Monday indeed we will Dan and hopefully Alex will be back as well because I want to hear what he thinks about losing a bunch of money to the Connecticut that would be very funny and we'll check in on that but until then Jordan we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight calm yep we're also on Twitter we are on Twitter is that knowledge of

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