Knowledge Fight - #47: June 19-July 5, 2015

Episode Date: May 31, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan about the second stage of his investigation into how Alex Jones came to be a part of Team Trump, covering the period of June 19-July 5. Topics include: Does Alex finally actually mention Trump? Was John Wilkes Booth a false flag? What can one learn from a Chik-Fil-A billboard?

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk about the wacky, wacky world of Alex Jones. What are we drinking today?

Today, we're drinking Flathead Lake Gourmet Huckleberry Soda. It's Montana's legendary soda in honor of, you know, that asshole Body Slamming. Yeah, exactly. Reporter and then winning. Right. Hey, Montana's legendary soda with any luck. This is a punchy in the mouth. So does better than the feelings that I have about Montana at this point. Hopefully, let's see.

I'm going to take a sip and hopefully my throat will not become part of the rest of the ground. Whoa, boy. Oh, boy. This is interesting. This is candy. This is gross. Oh my fucking God. What is happening? It's not a terrible flavor.

No, it tastes like it tastes like it. Have you ever put a lot of sugar after you put the Kool-Aid mix in there? Yep. That is exactly what this tastes like. There are similarities. So anyway, let's move on to Alex Jones. This is a podcast about Jones. Is this a podcast about Alex Jones?

It is. There's a twist. This is not just about Alex Jones. Okay. There's a twist to it. This is a podcast about our relative awareness about Alex Jones, where I know tons about Alex Jones. And relative to that, I know nothing. You know only the slimmest margin of this.

Well, at this point after as many episodes have we done as we've done, I know a whole lot more than I ever expected or wanted to know before we started this. Certainly. And I'm sorry to bring that into your life. No, this is a whole new level of anxiety that I wasn't aware of. We're going to get to today's episode. But first, I would like to start things off as we generally do with an out-of-context drop from Alex Jones. Don't laugh.

Don't laugh. Because this is what they do to people in the public schools. They don't let the teacher teach. Don't blame them. This is what they teach. This is what they teach is ignorance. Don't laugh. Don't laugh.

That's some solid work. That is great. There's no way that he can ever start any sentence with don't laugh. That does not make me immediately lose my shit. It's instantly hilarious. Don't laugh. Of course, I'm going to laugh. Yeah.

So we're going to get to the episode. But first, I'd like to give a shout out to one of our donators. What's up, Dr. Gums. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you for donating to the show. If you'd like to donate, we have a button on KnowledgeFight.com. Support the show. You too can become a policy wonk.

Welcome aboard, Dr. Gums. So, Jordan, today we are going into part two of my in-depth investigation to what the fuck happened to Alex Jones back in 2015. When did it all go south? And why? And why? Yes. I think we're, I'm going to try and read between the lines as best I can

and figure out exactly what happened. How about just tell us why and then we'll save everybody several hours? More fun if we have a journey. Oh, okay. So on our last episode. Dear Mark. On our last episode of the investigation, we started the investigation, but coincidentally, the day after Trump announced his candidacy, the

Charleston shooting happened. Right. And so our first investigation episode really became about that, plus the interview with Larry Nichols, which I believe is the kickoff in Ernest of Alex's hero's journey, as it were, in the 2016 election season. This is going to be a little bit more focused on the investigation. Right. That one we had to deal with Charleston.

Yes. And so now we've moved on a little bit. We're going to be covering the time span of June 19th, 2015. All right. Up to July 5th in this episode. Oh Jesus, we're going to town. To be fair, David Knight hosted a bunch of them. Okay.

Well, then that doesn't even count. Alex was at his cousin Buckley's wedding for like four days of it. And so David Knight was hosting and we're not going to talk about it. It doesn't get more Texan than I'm going to my cousin Buckley's wedding for four days. Yeah. Exactly. So David Knight hosting.

We don't talk about that shit here because we don't want to bore our audience. And then on top of that June 29th, we're not going to be covering that at all because it has nothing to do with the presidential election. And we did an entire episode about it, which you can find in our iTunes feed. If you'd like. Absolutely. Because it was a good one. It was a side shoot off of like, I'm going to say it was terrible.

Yeah, that was our worst episode to date. So listener, Jan asked us to go back to when gay marriage got passed by the Supreme Court and that episode ended up being the June 29th. Yes. So that's why we won't be covering that, but I have some very interesting findings to lay out for you and for our listeners. I'm excited to get to all of them. We're going to begin here.

Trump announced his candidacy on June 20, June 16th. Yes. And at the same time, he made those horrible, disparaging comments about Mexico shipping us a bunch of our terrible people and they're not sending their best sort of stuff. Yeah. Presidential shit right there. So that happened on the 16th.

Redefining what it means to be presidential. Absolutely. On that day, Donald Trump became president. Unfortunately, I know. So that was three days before where we're starting and up till this point on the 18th, 17th, Alex has had nothing about Donald Trump. He's had nothing at all about him. And has he been talking about the election though?

Not really. Except for saying that Hillary is evil. Like he had, right? We could, we all expected that. Like that's, he doesn't need, there doesn't need to be an election or anything going on for him to just throw in a little bit of a Hillary's a vampire. He does.

He is on that tip. Which is, which is a spoiler. Larry Nichols will be making another appearance on this episode. God, I'm, I'm beginning to love our, our regular communications. Might want to try and call him. We're definitely going to call him. I will be completely silent. Cause I'm starting to be really afraid of him.

But, uh, Stevie Larry nicks. Yeah. What's going on with him? I don't know, man. I just, I don't want to fuck around. We'll see. We'll, we'll, we'll get to him. And then God damn it.

I want to fuck around with a weird old Southern dude who's in his 70s on his deathbed. Well, let's deal with that. Think about the insanity. He's seen so much, especially stuff that isn't real. Yeah. And think about the stuff that he's caused. Yeah.

So we're going to start with a June 19th where Alex was at what he was talking about. He's still wrestling a little bit with the Charleston shooting at this point. He's still giving a lot of like, if you believe this stuff, you're an idiot. Uh, you know, all these race issues are just meant to distract us. Is he still on the false flag tip? Yeah. Oh yeah.

Dropping Reverend Childress's name being like, right, right, right. He's got my back. A black dude said something. So I am free of guilt. Yeah. And so the only thing I wanted to pull from this episode, cause there's not really anything worthwhile is, uh, this clip where Alex has a huge gun on his desk.

I don't like that at all. He has a giant gun on his anchor desk. No, thank you. Hey, I, I, that's a, that is a hostile work environment. At least I will tweet a picture out of it. Cause it's hilarious. It's one of those giant, uh, rifles. Oh, like, uh, one of those big sniper rifles that they would shoot a sniper

rifle, but it's like a, oh, okay. Okay. Uh, and it's coincidentally made by one of his sponsors. Of course. Stop getting weird. Thanks for joining us on this Friday edition. All the shows here live. I'll be live this Sunday, four to six being central.

You're watching us on TV. I have two HD firearms, two head down firearms, both 556 and front of me. I call them face down to illustrate these guns aren't going to shoot anybody. These rifles, these weapons aren't going to attack anybody by themselves. And I know that's an idiotically obvious thing to say, but look at the logic of the people demonizing gun owners. They're now saying gun ownership is racist.

Nope. I know disarming black people in the south at the end of the civil war. That was racist. The first gun laws were racist. Saying the NRA was a racist organization is again upside down. It's a total fraud. I'm not even going to get into the NRA's history. But everybody who's informed knows it was founded to arm blacks to fight the

Ku Klux Klan again and the party, the Ku Klux Klan, the Democrats won our guns. So fake laugh, big time. So at the end there, he's saying that the Democrats are the party of the KKK not taking into account the party swap that happened. Yeah, the, oh, the, uh, the great change after the civil rights act, where an LBJ himself said that we have lost the South for forever. Exactly. Yeah, that's what a shocker.

He never mentions that because the Democratic Party back then was not what they are today. It's a, it's a wonderful, it's a wonderful thing that everybody like, you know, they should have changed their name on the right. There's a beautiful, like always, you know, like, Hey man, after the civil war, the Democrats were the races. How can you call the GOP races now because it used to be the Democrat? Well, one, it's not 150 years ago.

No, that's a big, that's a big step. First off, yeah. And two, because you accepted those people who left the Democrats like with open arms, just we love you. Totally. Please the South now beyond that, the Democrats don't want your guns. That's an illusion that you have in your head. That's a paranoid fear narrative.

Well, I'm starting to think that we should get their guns or at least get our own guns. I would, I would just like those guns off Alex Jones's desk because he is doing this. I would like them out of my dreams and into his car. We've established on a past show that head down rifles is a sponsor of the Alex Jones show. He's mentioned them when Joe Biggs cucked out the Pope, right?

When the Pope said that people who sell weapons aren't Christians and Joe Biggs did a special report about how head down rifles is owned by Christians. They're sponsoring. They're great. Done and done. Fuck you, Pope. Done. Problem solved.

Now beyond that, this idea that the NRA was founded to arm black people against the KKK. That has the ring of truth to it. I believe that 100%. That makes perfect sense to me. Please, Dan, go ahead and prove that Alex Jones was absolutely historically correct. I don't even have to.

He just is. Oh, okay. Well, then we're good. Nope. Oh, no. So that is based on a comment that a guy named Harry Allford made. Oh, are you saying that his entire argument is based on what one dude said at one time?

So Harry Allford was the president of the National Black Chamber of Commerce and in 2008, he was quoted as saying, quote, I want to thank the Lord for our constitution. I also want to thank the NRA for its legacy. The National Rifle Association was started founded by religious leaders who wanted to protect freed slaves from the Ku Klux Klan. So that is just his comment that he's made and it has been wildly debunked by everyone who's looked into it.

People have asked him. People have asked him to prove his claim and he's cited all kinds of stuff that doesn't prove his claim at all. Did he cite that one time Alex Jones cited him and saying that would be great because that's a Breitbart info. Where it's kind of feedback loop thing going on. He did cite a speech by Ann Coulter, which I'll get to in a second. Great.

But Bastion of a historical accuracy and Coulter. So I'd like to quote what the NRA says was the beginning of their organization from their own website. I bet it's we love black people. Yeah, which would be good PR for them if that was true. Well, they would just sell. Yeah, exactly. The NRA's website says, quote, dismayed by the lack of marksmanship

shown by their troops, Union veterans, Colonel William C. Church and General George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the Association would be to quote promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis. So basically they were concerned that they were losing too many bullets because they were going out to war and people weren't good shots. And that she was expensive.

Yeah, that doesn't sound evil. It doesn't. It seems economic. Yeah, that's basically like it seems like a good plan. It's basically them being like, hey, we don't train people well enough. So let's do some more training. And the roots of the the NRA actually does that was largely educational. It wasn't like nearly as terrible as it is today.

But still it was promoting, you know, I don't think promoting guns is wrong. I know it's murky, but it was started in like shortly after the Civil War 1871. Right. Yeah. So back then guns were muskets. Yeah. I mean, they were like they might as well have been slingshots, but that shoot farther. You don't really have too much control over where their bullets were going.

You have to like put the ball down. And I don't even know if they even had like the, you know, screw side barrels or whatever the hell they're calls that they're called that would improve. Yeah. That would improve accuracy there instead of just that like explosion outward and let's all hope for the best. Yeah. So back to this thing about the NRA being founded to help arm black people

against the KKK and Colter speech was used by this Harry Alfred when he was asked for, you know, proof and she made an argument about the, this organization called the black guard and a guy named Robert F. Williams, who was a civil rights activist. And if you look actually at the truth, so we're, so we're close to 80 years after the after the invention of the KKK substantially. Yeah, actually almost a bullseye. Yeah.

So in 1956, Robert F. Williams, 80 years after the NRA, we can, we can state that when the NRA was created, they were like, Hey, in 80 years, we're going to need to be there. Yeah. So, but here's it's actually really interesting and actually works against the argument. Shocker. So in 1956, Robert F. Williams took over leadership of the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, which was close to

disbanding due to the KKK Williams filed for a charter with the NRA and formed the black guard, an armed group committed to the protection of blacks. Mabel Williams said her husband altered the occupations of the members when applying for the NRA charter and she's quoted, I'm sure when we joined and the years after then, had they have known that we were a black group, they would have revoked our charter, she said. Of course. They basically just lied about it and started an NRA chapter.

Yeah, of course. So that, why wouldn't you do that? But that works pretty solidly against the argument that the NRA, everyone who's aware of things knows that that was started to help the black people. Well, yeah, like, like most times whenever white people have decided to help black people, they were tricked into it. Yeah, because they would never willingly do it on their own. History is is grim.

Yeah, not good. So well, and it's it's not a bad thing. Like during during the civil rights era, one of the big things that the Black Panthers would do is watch with a shit ton of guns whenever a cop arrested a black dude in the South. Like they would just go hang out like, Hey, if he did a crime, he did a crime. That's fine. If you go beyond what it is you're supposed to go beyond.

Guess what? There's 10 dudes with guns here or just you. Or when people were doing like renewal projects, fixing things when they would be attacked by racist assholes, they would have armed guards. I remember reading a bunch about that, like the putting up a stop sign. Yeah, in a neighborhood. Absolutely. They would keep trying to put up the stop sign and people who were

putting it up would get attacked. And so finally they just send out armed people. What else do you do? I don't know. Like that's that's the situation that all too often everybody found themselves in over the years in the in the civil rights era. Yeah. Well, fuck it.

All the time, all of the America time. Yeah, that's the situation. Black people have found themselves in totally. They keep getting pushed and pushed and pushed sooner or later. What other thing can you think of other than if you're going to threaten us with guns, we're going to get guns. Yeah, like what else is there? Seems reasonable, which is again why I'm in the place now where I'm

looking at all of our liberals being like, we should control guns and I'm more like, maybe we should park and get guns. Maybe we should control a gun and they are starting to they're starting to really talk civil war shit at us. I think that it's a myth that there aren't armed liberals and liberals who are into guns. I think that's a myth. I just think that the right is far more vocal about it.

But be that as it may, that's that's a whole other thing. We don't need done packet. No, it's time to get into gun control right now. We don't have time. This is an in depth investigation. Okay. So the rest of the episode on the look after the break, we're going to get into the in depth investigation.

But for now, let's solve the second amendment. I don't have any papers to jostle. So there we go. Good enough. The rest of the episode on the 19th is just a bunch of like, you know, going back and forth on is this fake? Is this real? Then he has a long interview with one Jesse Ventura, former governor of

Minnesota. He is in the middle of being sued over the Chris. Are those are those his only credits? Was he only the governor? There's also the body. There it is. Also the brain. Was he in the brain?

That's Bobby Heaney. I believe he was in Predator 2. He was in a lot of stuff. But he so Chris Kyle, American Sniper in his book, he wrote that he beat up Jesse, same liar. Yeah, Kyle. He in his book, he wrote that he beat up Jesse Ventura in a bar fight after Jesse mouthed off about Marines.

That story is very dubious. Yes. And Jesse Ventura sued him for unlaw, unjust enrichment, slander, these sorts of things. Right, right, right. You made a shit ton of money off of talking shit about me. So I want some of that money. It went to a court trial and there was a jury and the jury deliberated for

five days and couldn't come to a verdict and ended up ruling in Jesse's favor eight to two after five days. And they're just like, right. Good enough. Fair enough. So his estate because Chris Kyle dies spoiler alert. He gets murdered. But his estate.

Oh, damn it. Now I'll never watch that Jingo East. Jingoistic pile of garbage called American Sniper. I don't recommend it. Oh, so fucking brutal. His estate appeals the judgment. The judgment that was made was like 1.35 million for Jesse Ventura plus 500,000 of unjust enrichment.

So it's 18, 1.8 million dollars that Jesse Ventura is going to get some good money. The estate appeals it. And that's when Jesse is showing up on the show when the appeal is pending. He's coming on because he's like, I need money. I need your audience to help me out. I need my legal defense fund because I need to fight this thing. And the way he presents it is that tons of media organizations are

promoting this appeal. He's trying to appeal to Alex's audience on the basis of like Viacom, 20th century Fox, Fox, ABC, CBS, New York Times. They're all behind this because they want to be able to lie about people and make money off it. The reality is that the estate made an appeal and that Jesse ends up losing that appeal. That's such a bummer.

I. Why is it a bummer? Well, I mean for my relationship with Jesse Ventura, like I thought he was a I thought he was a fun kind of nutty dude who he probably had some good ideas. Like I remember people saying some nice stuff about him. He's in the same boat as Alex, but not a propagandist because he has a lot of really dumb ass ideas, but at the same time he's really philosophically consistent about his support of legalizing weed.

He's he's right. Maybe 10% more than Alex and he's not an asshole. Well, now that he's on the Alex Jones show, I'm of the opinion that he is. But why wouldn't he be? I mean, if you're a liberator, so many reasons, if you're a prominent libertarian, I really wouldn't. Yeah, you're right. You shouldn't go on his show.

You shouldn't go on Alex Jones's show. But who cares? But anyway, so the reason let me tell you something. If he runs for governor of Minnesota again now voting. I am not going to vote for him. I'm on the same page. So he's on there making this argument and I read the court decision of his appeals case that comes later down the road.

Right. And it turns out he lost the appeal because he makes this exact same argument on Alex's show a whole bunch and he did in court as well. And the argument that he made is you guys should vote for me, Jerry. You guys should choose me rule in my favor because they have an insurance policy that's going to handle this. Harper Collins has an insurance comp thing that's going to pay the settlement. You're not screwing over the family.

I've been slandered and it doesn't hurt them if you vote in my favor. Okay. It turns out that is very bad. Was that true though? There's no evidence of it. Okay. Well, that's a bad argument. The appeals court found that there's no evidence.

They looked at Chris Kyle's contract with Harper Collins and the only thing they could find is one line in it that says they may have insurance. But it doesn't say that they do. They may have insurance. Yeah. And they found no evidence that such an insurance policy does exist. And the fact that he brought it up in court and his lawyers made that argument unfairly biases the jury against Chris Kyle's estate.

Well, yeah, of course. Yeah. I would not, I would not want to screw over a widow. No. But at the same time, if I knew that I was going to screw over a corporation, that's a very different response. Yeah. The stakes are lower because it's a faceless entity that has millions of dollars.

And also, also fuck those guys. Yeah, fuck them. Yeah. So that is. Well, I mean, it is the traditional print industry. So we don't, we don't need to help them along their demise. Yeah. But that's the twisting that Jesse's doing when he's on the show.

And I didn't pull any clips of that because who cares? I don't, I, I really don't need to hear that obfuscation. But at the same time, Alex is starting to play a little game of Jesse, you should run for president. Oh. He's trying to pitch Jesse Ventura. You need to get in the race. And Jesse's argument is, I want to wait till there's just two. I want to wait till there's two people in it.

I have name recognition. I think I remember this. Yeah. I think I remember him having that conversation. And he keeps saying, I've got this appeal to take care of. And if I win, then I'll probably join the race. And if I lose, that's it. And he did.

And he lost. And that was it. Yeah. So maybe, maybe that's what happened. So that is the 19th. That was a Friday. There's no show on Saturday. He takes Saturdays off.

So we come back on, on the 21st. So the 21st is a Sunday. And I've started to notice that what Alex Jones does on Sundays is he knows that there's less people listening. So he uses it to end and start narratives and also to bury stories that he kind of hopes no one will really pay attention to. Right. Late Friday news where everybody's already sick of the Sunday, a couple Sundays recently, he's used to make the pizza gate apology. He's covered like reporting on that.

He's on another recent Sunday. He's talked about how Chabani violated the terms of their settlement agreement. Of course. He does that sort of thing. And also just whenever a narrative has run out of steam, ends it on a Sunday. Whenever he wants to soft launch a new one, he does it on Sunday. So on this Sunday, he knows that the Charleston narrative is kind of going away. So he uses Sunday to like, let's land that ship.

Let's just come in. So he has an interview with Jakari Jackson, who's in Charleston. And oh boy. It's awesome. Oh, it's actually really. Oh boy. I love Jakari Jackson. I don't.

Well, as we all know now, he is a, he's a comic writer and apparently he seems pretty interesting. Yeah. And his comic book is about a boy who lives in a fantasy world. Yeah. Odd. Odd where he could have gotten some inspiration for that. No clue. So he is in Charleston and he's talking about how beautiful the church service that he went

to at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church was the night before. He's talking about how there's a lot of unity and everybody is in great spirits and it's a beautiful thing to witness. And he also is talking about how it's super fucked up that there's a monument to a white supremacist, a block away from the church. Holy shit. He's talking about how it's like, I don't understand how that can be. I understand it's free speech and you know, I don't want to encroach on people, but it's

really bizarre that we live in this world that's like this. He's talking about how that night there's going to be a march across this historic bridge. Everyone's going to be holding hands and it's going to be this beautiful thing. And Jakari has the, he has the right idea about it for the most part. Uh huh. Meanwhile, Alex keeps being like, now what about this race war that's coming? Oh, so I think so. Are we seeing the beginning of the end of Jakari Jackson's role at Info Wars?

It's possible. I think that's, I think that sounds like a big turning point. I see two conflicting forces here where Alex wants to focus on the negative and Jakari is really focusing on these positive things and I think it's really cool. That was his literal come to Jesus moment at a church, at a church wake. Possibly. I don't know when he ends up quitting. I don't know the story of that.

We'll find out more as this investigation goes. But so that's the sort of, I believe the basically the end of the Charleston narrative. He's got Jakari there live. We've gone, we've done it. Jakari isn't playing ball with my race. He's not, he's not going along with. So fuck it. Let's end that narrative.

And Alex decides it's time for the new narrative, which is an incredibly intense and prolonged argument that financial collapse is coming this summer. It's right around the 15th of 2015. Yes. It's right around the corner, right around the corner over the course of the next couple days on the show. He has a bunch of people who are supposed experts. He has Ron Paul on.

He has Peter Schiff who is Ron Paul's economic advisor. He has a bunch of people on and it's all about how the dollar is about to collapse and how we're all going to be fucked. Should we buy gold? We're going to get to that. Should we buy gold? We're going to get to that. I bet we should buy gold.

It's so fucked up that you know where this is going. Well, his parent company is all about gold. Of course we're going to buy gold. Don't spoil it. Gold. We already saw this on the. You are so fucking on it. We already.

Well, it was the Y2K thing again. This gets it. It's why, why, why would you push this disaster narrative? Oh, well, I guess I'm also selling, uh, apocalypse supplies. You know, of course you're going to push this narrative there. What we've already, because you're a genius, you've already spoiled where that narrative it ends and why he's pushing it so hard, but the way it ends is probably worse than you think.

Oh, oh, it's even more exploitative than what you're saying. Well, now I'm excited. So we'll get to that maybe in an hour and a half. That's because it's a spoiler alert. Alex Jones is out to sell gold. Keep that in the back of your mind. Yeah. So he's, he started this disaster collapse narrative and he talks a ton about it and

it is really focused around gold stuff. He's talking about the main stories that he's pushing are about how Texas and a bunch of institutions want their gold back, uh, and people aren't giving it back from the reserves and what have you. How do you give, how do you give gold back? I don't know. I'm not giving gold back, baby. It's like, we don't trust you guys holding our gold.

We want to hold it ourselves. That sort of thing. That's human beings are weird. It's very weird. Human beings are so weird. He's also. Gold doesn't have any intrinsic value. Nope.

It doesn't, it doesn't do anything. It does actually. It's shiny. You can use it for a lot of, uh, like semiconductors. Oh, absolutely. It's amazing in, uh, in electronics. It does all kinds of amazing things. It does zero amazing things sitting in a vault somewhere.

Yeah. But it much like colloidal silver. If you have colloidal gold, I did not know there was colloidal gold. There's colloidal everything. There's what is colloidal everything. Someone on Twitter explained it to me recently. I can't remember.

It has something to do with like colloids. It has something to do with it being suspended in a solution or something like that. I'm not entirely sure. I'm not a chemist. All right. Anyway, uh, it's all this gold narrative. It's about like, uh, people are trying to get gold out of banks and they're getting bars of tungsten covered in gold, shit like that.

So there is, there is one like a legitimate story of that, but yeah. So he's really pitching that hard. But on this Sunday show, he says something that I think is involved in his abortion narrative, but I'm not sure, but I could not do this show without playing this clip because it's so weird. Okay. Listen to this argument. He tries to make that just recognize how fucking dumb he is while he's trying

to talk about how smart he is. Okay. This is amazing. I want to shift gears into the psychological warfare. The manipulation and I'm going to begin this break down by talking about a billboard on I-35 in downtown Austin, but I'm going to send a crew out to videotape tomorrow. If you understand that billboard, you understand everything.

Now I'm not an enemy of Chick-fil-A. They're a conservative Christian organization. I think overall it's a good company that hasn't bowed to censorship and I'm not criticizing Chick-fil-A itself, but I'm using their ad campaign as a window into guilt politics. Now chicken is about four times cheaper on average than beef and they set up their little Texas based company in shopping malls 30-something years ago and its spread nationwide is very successful.

So we're not talking about Chick-fil-A, but on their billboard, I meant to get a photo of it, but it was too dangerous driving. It shows cows up there painting the sign and they've drawn a little children's style image of a chicken and they say eat this, not this with an arrow pointed at them and the cows look real, but they also look humanoid. So they've humanized them and the chicken does not form at all. It's been downgraded to nothing like you do a baby in the womb. You call it just a blob.

So the chicken looks like a two year old druid, just a yellow dot, a yellow blob with two eyes and it's perfect and it plays on your guilt of not wanting to hurt an animal when you eat it. So it's saying go eat our chicken. It's not as advanced a life form as a cow and I guarantee you go talk to everyone with that ad campaign. They'll say, yeah, that's exactly what the ad campaign is. See, the average person would not look at that.

I was in a carload of adults. One day we drove by it and the day with my children and no one knew what the propaganda was and I said, come on, you're smart. You know what it is and see that's the difference between me and other people. Oh, there's so much. So I just know how many different so it's all clear so many more than chicken commercials. That's crazy. So is he he's he's mad about it?

Oh, I know he just thinks it's a propaganda that has to do with abortion somehow because you don't want to you don't want to eat this animal. So you go for the blob because the blob is dehumanized the chicken. Now what he's not taking into account is the entire point of the ad campaign that has to do with those cows is that the cows are drawing the billboards. Yeah, did he not get that? They have hooves. Did he not get any of that?

The handwriting is really bad because they're using hooves to write on the billboards and they couldn't draw chicken. He couldn't figure that out. That's the bit. What does he think is going on there? It's a really actually I fuck. It's a good. It's a good ad campaign.

Fuck Chick-fil-A. It's a brilliant. It is a brilliant ad campaign. The idea that these cows are trying to save their lives by selling out chickens is really good. Yeah, and I actually read an article in ad week about the creation of this ad campaign because I was curious. So I like to say like if you ask the guy who started this campaign, he tell you that's

the propaganda. So then you were like, I wonder if anybody asked the guy who invented this campaign. Yeah, it turns out that Chick-fil-A had a really small advertising budget and they couldn't whenever they wanted to get outside of shopping malls because that's where they started just like a Sabaro or whatever. Right. Shit is in the mall and the Auntie Anne's pretzels. I've never had one because malls are the devil.

Sure, but they were they were in malls and they wanted to get free standing stores and they wanted to start advertising, but they couldn't fucking compete with anybody because they had no budget. So what they did is they're like, fuck, we can't get commercials. It's not really going to work out. Billboards are cheap comparatively. So they started doing billboard advertisements and they wanted to get some 3D aspects in it.

Right. They made a bunch of pretty interesting ideas, but they were all kind of like, it's good. It's not good enough. So they came up with one where it was three quarters of the billboard is done and it's like a chicken sandwich and it's like, you know, just a normal billboard and then the last quarter of it is white. Like the people designing it just had stopped and it says boss got hungry. Be back later on the the last part of the billboard and then they have like a 3D ladder

going up to that. So people driving by it would get their attention. Yeah. So that was like, okay, this is an interesting concept, but we can do better and around this time with Simpsons were super huge and Bart's catchphrase was don't have a cow man. And so they wanted to incorporate that somehow. These add these ad wizards who are coming up with this stuff. The mad man.

And so they started to think about like, don't have a cow. All right. Yeah. Don't eat cows. Eat chicken. And so they started a couple. You are doing an amazing reenactment of this. It's fascinating.

You're you're sitting. I can see it in your eyes right now. You're sitting in that ad room right here. I'm waiting for you to describe the small board room that that like maybe there's a whiteboard. Maybe they've got some paper on the wall just writing down ideas. No, that's terrible. So eventually what they came up with because I am going too far and too long on this.

But what they what they ended up coming up with was don't have a cow. Who doesn't want you to have cows? Obviously cows don't. And there we go. Cows don't want to be eaten. Right. So what would they do? They would tell you to eat chickens.

A carousel. It's it's amazing. It's it's your family advertising is fucking stupid. But that's selling. Right carousel. You're selling memories. It's not about abortion of cows. It's not about abortion.

It's about abortion. How do you not see that propaganda behind it? Right. Okay. You have cows. They don't want to be eaten. So they know that if they anthropomorphize themselves because here's the truth of this. These cows are actually super intelligent.

We know that they're building billboards. Oh, that's a good point. So they're lying to you. They're pretending to be these. The hoof is a lie. Exactly. The hoof is the propaganda. Exactly.

Yeah. They're anthropomorphizing themselves saying eat this. Eat the egg. You don't want to eat anything alive. You want to eat the egg. It's not a real chicken yet. Do you know what else is eggs? People eggs.

So so eat those eggs. Eat people. This is how do you get eggs? How do you get eggs? Abort them. So as we all know now Chick-fil-A invented abortion. The very Christian company. Exactly.

So I look all this is bullshit. But I do agree with Alex that this is what makes him different than people. This is so much what makes him different than people. But I love him saying if you get this, you get everything. This Chick-fil-A billboard is the key. It is. So that's that's what he's up to. Wait.

And it wasn't it. What was the beginning thing? Like it's a window into guilt politics. Yeah. Yeah. The idea of feeling guilty about eating like a like a cow that looks human and looks like real whereas this blob isn't really. You don't feel guilty about the idea of eating that blob.

Yeah, I don't think that's necessarily a terrible interpretation. I do. Well, I mean from as far as a worldview of guilt politics work, if you humanize something, you're much more likely to care about it as opposed to something that you don't care about, you know, right? Like if the chickens were also anthropomorphized on the billboard and they were both like competing and drawing like like a like a Bugs Bunny and Daffy duck situation where it's duck season.

It's rabbit season. It's duck season. It's rabbit season. I see what he's saying, man. You know what? You're not on the same level here. That's what makes people like me and Alex different from you. Oh, God, this has been fun.

It's been Alex. We're done. I think just one episode where the abruptly ends because I go full Alex Jones. I believe this man. I play the wrong clip. It's just over. Fuck it. I'm in.

Uh, so that's basically what was going on on the 22nd. A lot of the rest of the stuff again is just the laying out of the, I'm sorry, the 21st. A lot of the rest of the stuff is just laying out the beginning of the narrative about the collapse. So we go on to the 22nd. That's Monday. So his episode is the eventual collapse of the financial system.

But wait, I got to get this thing off my chest. Yeah. I saw billboard. It's time to get into it. Yep. God damn you, Alex Jones. Yep. So the 22nd comes around.

That's Monday and he's still on his bullshit about the collapse. Yeah. This is where he has this interview with Peter Schiff, uh, who explains that it's coming any day. There's a bubble and it's going to burst, which is reasonable. That's, uh, well, I mean, in our financial system now, you could say that pretty much every other month. Right.

But to fear monger about it is, is kind of, and we're now two years removed from it. It didn't, we didn't, the dollar still holds value. Yes. So they're really for now. Right. They may have just been a couple of years off and, uh, misunderstood that the reason the collapse was coming was because of shit that they believed.

Well, that, that would get to Lionel. Uh, yeah. Oh, fucking Lionel knew it all, man. The, uh, most of the rest of this episode beyond the collapse narrative is stuff about how, uh, all of these identity politics ideas, like racism, transphobia, Islamophobia is all distraction. Shit. So he has Paul Joseph Watson on, this is where he does his horrible parody

character, man, Jaina. Okay. Played on a past episode. Hope he dies. Uh, Paul Joseph Watson makes the arguments that Hillary Clinton is running on feminist lies, all this shit. Of course. Uh, and all that stuff is kind of, kind of stuff we touched on in past episodes.

Since he is from Britain, I would like to amend. I earlier, I did say that I hope he got hit by a truck. Uh, he is from Britain. Uh, I hope he gets hit by a Lori. There you go. Now we can move on. Okay. I apologize for that.

I just wanted to correct that for any of our listeners, uh, overseas. See, that's what knowledge fight does. We make corrections when we make a, when we make a mistake, we correct it. Yep. So he spends the rest of his episode towards the end. He, he's really mad that people want to take down the Confederate flag or is he calls it the battle flag? What if you're calling it the battle flag?

You're justifying why we want it to be taken down. Do you not get that? So he, he has an article that he brings up and it's about a South Carolina governor, Nikki Haley, who is now the ambassador to the UN. Right. She was one of the people. Do we have to say these words out loud? Very weird.

Can't we just, can't we just pretend they're not real? So she was making moves towards taking the Confederate flag out of the state building and Alex has really bent out of shape about that. And so he ends the show with what he thinks is a scholarly treatise on the reality of the civil war. I mentioned this past episode. Nope. Now we're going to listen to it.

No, he does not know that he does not tell us what the civil war was about. Does he? Oh, he does. Oh God. Here we go. Here's the issue. I'm from Texas. Slavery.

Texas was part of this whole Southern movement. Slavery was the issue. It was not about slavery. Oh, damn it. The papers, the real history of the time. It was about who would enjoy Western expansion. The North that was mainly industrial had very high tariffs on the Southern cotton.

Other things leave in the country. Internal tariffs on them trying to sell their goods. Whenever we had a Southern president, Andrew Jackson, the South tried to rebel against him and almost had a civil war over taxes. So, so, so even Jackson was letting the North screw the South. Two percent of the South had slaves. Most of the whites that were poor were as bad off as the black slaves. I mean, that's historical.

They were called sharecroppers. They were slaves for all intents and purposes. Their ancestors got here to pay for the way over. They would sign up for seven to 10 years and entered servitude. I'm going to skip this network breaks. We have more time to explain the war. They would get over here. And so they were slaves too.

It doesn't take from the plight of the Africans who were definitely treated the worst on their way over here and who were treated the worst when it came to their rights, but when it came to starvation, poverty, degradation, the sharecroppers were pretty close to the bottom of the barrel as well. Man, the hammers. And so he was the. That sounds reasonable. He's about to defend that.

He was a famous general in the US military. He didn't support slavery. He didn't support the South, but he supported states rights. And so both resigned his commission and joined being a general within a year or so became the head of the Southern forces. It's very interesting history. I've read all about it. I don't.

Dress up in gray uniforms at home. I don't dress up in blue uniforms at home. Quite frankly, I have an illustrious lineage in US history from Texas right back to the founding of the country and before. So obviously I'm not going to get into my Southern civil war roots. Just put you this way. The Rednecks and people they know about it bow down to me. Okay.

But the whole. Wait, what? That's pretty fuck. Wait, what the fuck? Just what did he just fucking say right there? Rednecks who were in the know they bow down to me. I don't like that. I don't either.

I don't I don't know. I don't believe that's true. No one because what would you be in the know about that would cause you to bow down to Alex Jones? No idea. But but that's that's like. That's such. Look, I know it's not to take away from the plight of the Africans.

Right. sharecroppers had a bad too. It was it was the South now admittedly. I don't want to talk about my family's history, but we killed everybody. We fought on the side of the side. Yeah, you were a fucking evil monster. What do you mean? I don't I don't wear blue at home.

I don't wear gray at home. You don't dress up spiritually. Oh, I wear so much gray. So we're the greatest. So a couple of fun facts. If you go and actually read the resolution of secessions from various states in the South, if you go read the documents of their secession conventions, I bet they all say states rights and none of them mentioned

slavery or white supremacy at all. Right. Zero of them. Mississippi mentioned slave or slavery 10 times throughout the document. States rights. Never once mentions the word tax or tariff fake news. South Carolina's mentioned slaves 18 times. It mentions the word tax once though.

That's good, but it's talking about taxing slaves. Oh, oh, foiled again. Yeah. This idea of the tariff argument. I did a little looking into this. I bet it has nothing to do with whitewashing. It actually it's it's a pretty interesting history. You know, everyone has two sides of issues.

You know, everyone's like secretly blah, blah, blah slaves. I read an interesting article by a guy named Mark William Palin, who's a professor of history at the University of Exeter. He was breaking down this this tariff argument. And what he was explaining is that the argument about tariffs leading to the Civil War is based on a misunderstanding about the tariff situation that existed during the 1832 nullification crisis.

That's when tariffs got everyone was fighting over them. They misunderstand that with the 1860, 1861 secession of southern states. That's basically. So they're 20 years off and they're well, I apologize. They conflate those two things into one. Right. So in 1860, the moral tariff was passed, but this is very

interesting. Precisely because southern states began seceding from December 1860 onwards, a number of southern senators had resigned that could otherwise have voted against the tariff bill. Had they not resigned, they would have had enough votes in the Senate to successfully block the tariffs congressional passage. But because they seceded, they didn't have a vote anymore.

So the secession came before this moral tariff. Now, what's interesting is that the Confederacy wanted the British people to recognize the Confederacy as a sovereign nation. Yes. So what they did is they started to make the argument that because of the timing, the almost immediate passage of this moral tariff, they what made the argument to the British

that that's the reason that they seceded when that could not have possibly been the case. The secession led to the passage. Right. But because of the closeness in time, they created a ton of confusion. Right. Obviously, the British wouldn't want to support a group of

people who had seceded from their country over slavery. Considering the fact that they had already abolished slavery 10, 15 years beforehand. Right. And so they basically pretended that no, it was about tariffs. It was about tariffs. Sure, sure.

So here, quote, pro-southern business interests and journalists fed the myth that the war was over trade, not slavery. The better to win over people who might be appalled at siding with slave owners against the forces of abolition on March 12th, 1861, just 10 days after the moral tariff had become law, the London Times gave editorial voice to the tariff lie. The newspaper pronounced that, quote, protection was quite

as much a cause of the disruption of the union is slavery and remarked upon how the moral tariff had, quote, much changed the tone of public feeling in favor of the secessionists. So well, so lies lies work a propaganda campaign worked. But then John Stuart Mill, the fucking story of this podcast John Stuart Mill got involved and started writing essays about how this is nonsense and how obviously if you look at what

they're saying and had been saying in the South, it's all about slavery. Yeah. And that also, hey, who cares? Who cares if it's who cares if it's 6040, it's there's slavery still a big part of it. Right. Oh, it's also about tariffs.

Fine slavery, but because of slavery, right? But you if it's 5% because of slavery, they're still fucking slaves. Right. And Alex is being beholden to this myth and being beholden to this narrative really indicates that either he hasn't researched it as much as he thinks, or he's been researching really dicey sources, or he's inclined to just believe the

slavery apologist argument. This is that that is a common thing. Totally. I was very I was taught some of that in school. Like I remember being in school in my small dumb town with people pulling that narrative of like, it was slavery, but also states rights, like they were telling that line, like they were like that was that was the same thing as teaching

the controversy, like teaching a creative or intelligent design or whatever dumb lies they're telling about that too. Yeah. It's that idea of like, well, some believe this and some believe that and we're not going to we're not going to come down on reality. Mm hmm. You can invent your own truth out of that and it's bullshit.

That's what the South did with the British. Yeah. Well, so that part is bullshit. It's total bullshit. And him spouting this stuff on the show in defense of people not taking down the Confederate flag is nonsense. Now at the same time, he does have a good point that share croppers had it bad.

They did. Well, the thing that the thing that boggles my mind that people still don't put together like he specifically pointed it out only 2% had slaves. Right. Do you see what a big problem having all of the wealth concentrated within a very small number of people can create the top 1% of the 1% bad idea.

Yeah. It's bad for everyone. It leads to owning humans and seceding. Yeah. Well, hey, we're we're big fans of the free market ideology. Sure. We're free market. That's what happens free market.

That's free market. Hey, free market. It's a good thing. It never winds up in that exact situation that we're in. Yeah. I mean, if you want to look at the extremeness of free market, there were people who sold themselves into slavery for money and back in the Greece, the days of Greece, because that's

one of the things I studied the most in college, one of the big problems that led to almost the premature collapse of Greece was that people sold themselves into slavery. They sold because they were so destitute. Right. They would just sell themselves and it got to a point where they the government so long ended up having to be like, nah, fuck this.

You guys are all free. And that's what the North had to do. So I mean, we did essentially save the United States by getting rid of slavery. Right. So Alex is just an idiot that he has more to say and he accidentally says a couple other true things that are like he just glosses over.

There's one at the end where he's like a black person probably invented the cotton gin, but who cares? Wait, wait, what? Yeah, we'll get to it. I mean, that's a good that's a probably true point is that that I understand that the South was snookered. The South was bamboozled. The South was set up.

They were flim flam North was a victim of this. Well, they were 600 plus thousand soldiers died of the Civil War. Now, did the South fight three to one four to one 10 to one by the end with about 10 times the military equipment on the North, did the South win the first two, three years against the North with some of the best military maneuvers with Stonewall Jackson and others?

Yes. So there's the pride of the South that they absolutely dominated the North when on average they were fighting four to one against Northern soldiers. But these were city guys from the North. They weren't the children of the, you know, the wagon train folks. Slaves.

So you talk about skin about run a trot line. The North was fighting Davy Crockett. So that's why they were in deep trouble. The South ran out of shoes, ran out of guns, ran out of bullets. So there's this illustrious strength of the South and and and the and the whole giant black brigades that fought on the side of the South. I wonder why yards the history you're given is not the real

history that was going on slavery was a horrible institution that the West began the process of getting rid of. Oh, because they would try to arm their slaves basically. What was that? Did I hear an ah? What? What's the problem? Yes, that is true.

But the West, the North, they did start to abolish slavery. But the part that didn't start to abolish slavery that fought very hard against it is the part that he's like, yeah, well, you know, we're still proud of ourselves. Fuck you. Well, the thing that he's saying they're proud of is fighting like totally outnumbered and like sure. I mean, I guess, I guess.

What? That's that would be like if the Spartans were the bad guys. Well, the Spartans were the bad guys, the Persians. Not against the Persians, but that's when 300 was though. Well, yeah. But do you not remember the Spartans weren't great? Don't get me wrong. We're the Spartans were great.

No, they would kill their babies and shit like you don't remember the the war they fought against Athens that wound up destroying all of Greece. I remember a bit of it. Yes, that was a big one. Mm-hmm. They were the bad guys. And when I say kill their babies, I'm not talking about abortion.

I'm saying that if they had a weird head, they'd leave them on a mountain. Yeah, that's a lot like good luck. Is that not what abortion is? It's not quite. I remember go. I remember protesting against an abortion doctor one day and it was right next to a mountain.

So I just assumed that's where he put him. Did anybody who was protesting bring a Chick-fil-A sign? Yeah, two cows. The billboard. Priam and then set up basically their own industrial agrarian combines. That was going on. A lot of people in the South got kicked out to Texas because

they were doing what George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had done upon their deaths, freeing their agrarian slaves. So it's a 2% had slaves of those that did. There was a percentage that beat people and killed them and everything else. High percentage. 100% entirely different culture than what the media projects. No one's defending it.

It's just that what you're told in the news and in the media is not what's going on. It has no reflection in reality to what happened. Then the biggest issue is that for a decade after the Civil War, Lincoln didn't want to break down the South. He didn't want to follow with Sherman's model of reconstruction. He got shot in the back of the head by John Wilkes Booth. We're told really the evidence.

We're told that being a setup that a lot of folks wanted to loot the South. A lot of Northern industrialists wanted to take it over the railroads John was a false flag. John was armed and trained a bunch of the South gave them weapons and then when they had the boa constrictor or was the Ataconda strategy, it was the big giant snake all the way around the East Coast all at the Mississippi to to to

basically cut off supplies. The British didn't break those and didn't supply the South. I'm not demonizing the British either. These are just facts of what happened that you watch shows like roots or other shows. They don't know this. They show a guy with a whip beat the black guy. Yeah, that's just not what it was slavery.

It was collapsing because of industrialization and Eli Whitney's cotton gin, which was probably actually invented by a black guy. But the point is that no kidding wanted to quit having to pull the stuff out of the cotton themselves. So oh, that's that. Yeah, there we go and give it. All right.

All right. All right, dude. Yeah. So I'm sorry. Also the cotton gin only made slavery worse. Yeah, absolutely. It only made slavery worse. It did not improve things at all.

Yeah. So but that's that's like I'm I know that streamlined the bullet like cotton was dying as an industry slavery perhaps due to that was falling out of favor. So the cotton gin revolutionized it making cotton even more important and he's fucking acting like you couldn't find a use for slaves. Yeah.

No kidding. The fuck you fucking it's so stupid. It's the it's the tone of voice. It's the tone of voice that kills me when they're talking about what and this is they we all know who they is Alex when they are talking about slavery and and like the horrible mistreatment of slaves just the fact that you own people. It's always like yes, it was a bad time.

Like it's always that tone of voice like yes, like a resigned like a right. Why are you bringing this up to me again? Exactly. Yeah. Instead of the righteous fury that it should be. Yeah. Like the idea that owning slaves is just a situation is fucking

bananas. Well here here's what it comes down to for me. Alex can only hold one opinion in his head at a time so he can't really agree that or he can't embody that slavery was wrong and sharecroppers had it bad to at the same time. He if he says that slavery was really bad that in some way invalidates the argument that sharecroppers had it bad and that's the argument he's more interested in making because

it defends white people or makes white victim hood narratives which we know he's super into right so anyway that was a super long clip and I apologize but I wanted to demonstrate first of all that Alex is stupid and second that this is the kind of stuff he's wasting his time with and more importantly we wanted to re break the story. John Wilkes Booth was a false flag. That's what I'm saying.

This is true. Everything everyone everyone knows this every single thing go back to WB false flag everything. So like Trump has been running for president now for what would it be six days and eternity. This is six days past him making his comments about the Mexicans right some are good people he's still not mentioned

him at all still not mentioned Trump it all barely mentioned the election let's get the taste of that Civil War shit out of our mouth with a nice out of context drop. I'm so moral it's disgusting. All right Alex good call good call baby. I love that so bizarre. I'm so humble it's the least humble thing ever. Yeah what is what if what are you talking about.

It's very weird. I don't even remember what context it was in but I do know it doesn't matter. That's yeah what what could there's nothing more to say. No he's so moral it is disgusting. So now we move on illustrating perhaps the great paradox of true morality once you reach a certain point you are the very evil you espouse we move on to June 23rd that is that Tuesday

we're on a Tuesday show now and what was happening around the actual world on that day is that they were talking about fast tracking TPP. Yes talking about giving Obama the fast track authority for the Trans Pacific Partnership. It was made out to be some sort of evil nefarious thing but what people don't ever take into account when they talk about fast tracking of trade agreements is that literally every

president since Gerald Ford with the exception of Bill Clinton has been granted fast track authority. Yeah that is just something that is basically do regular. Is there anything they all have in common that Obama did not share with them. Well I mean Bill Clinton didn't get it so I mean and Obama did get it. Oh did he.

Yeah they did go. Yeah and the TPP was fast tracked and that's what leads us to where Alex's headspace is on the 23rd. But again this fast track sounds like something that's weird and evil because it doesn't get discussed much but it's super normal. Something happens with every president and I think one of the big reasons that Clinton didn't get it was because of

the Larry Nichols types and all the propaganda and the quote vast right wing conspiracy that unfortunately is real that Hillary complains about it is very much real. So speaking at least it sure seems like speaking of Larry Nichols he will be making an appearance on this episode here on the 23rd this Tuesday show but because Alex Jones is so bent out of shape about the TPP he plays a couple of really long videos and one of them is Senator Jeff Sessions on the

Senate floor. Oh that's not good giving a speech about how the Transpacific Partnership takes away the sovereignty of the country and the Congress and this is the first instance of Alex being super complimentary about someone who would eventually be part of Trump's cabinet or part of Trump's campaign. Okay. So it's interesting because he's still not talked about

Trump at all but he loves Jeff Sessions. Okay. So here Alex says exactly how he feels about Jeff Sessions. I'll allow this a discipline and set rules outside the powers of the United States Congress. Back it up about a minute. This is so epic. I don't want to interrupt it.

I'm going to play come back with more of it. This is one of the main leaders of the Senate. A guy who leaked the amnesty bills three separate times. They even tried to censure him for it but the rules say they really couldn't do that. Senator Sessions is a super patriot. Oh so is Rand Paul. They're not perfect but compared to the others.

I mean they're just absolutely night and day. So we're starting to get a sense of Alex's political head space. Rand Paul is someone he always talks very complimentary about. Ron Paul comes on his show a bunch. Right. And so Jeff Sessions is a super patriot because he's opposed to the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Most likely. That's a big part of why Alex is so into him because Alex sees the Trans-Pacific Partnership as the final step that will lead us to globalist enslavement. Right. He takes away our sovereignty in our country. Eventually we'll just have a one world dictator as the Asian Union and the European Union Trans-Pacific Partnership.

They're all going to be merged together. Right. It's a trilateral plan. Yep. So that's basically where he's at. Barcodes. Totally. On the back of our hands.

We're all going to die. Dude we're going to get to that in like two episodes. Jeff Sessions is a fucking monster and I hope he a god. He's a tremendous god. He's a monster. Let's just put it this way. He probably believes the Civil War was about tariffs. He almost certainly believes that either that or he never

learned that in Kibler Elf School. Yeah. So that's a large part of this episode. He wants to talk about the TPP but he doesn't really get into any depth about it other than his fears and his fear narratives. He does explain that because of the TPP and all these unions merging that the UN is going to take over Israel but Muslims will still be killing Christians all over the place.

Sure. He goes on a rant about that which transitions smoothly into him selling his gallbladder cleanse product. All right. Well that I'm good. Yeah. I'm happy with that. I've consulted my doctor friend and he informed me that no

one needs to cleanse their gallbladder. It's fine. I don't understand how you would what I don't understand what a gallbladder would be cleansed of. So there's a lot of all there's a lot of like plastics that you end up taking in because of shit the globalists have put in your food. Of course.

And they all collect in the gallbladder. Globalists. So you take a bunch of his medicines is his supplements and then you drink like rice wine vinegar or something like that apple cider vinegar and then on the sixth day of the cleanse you drink like a glass of olive oil. I believe is what he says and then you lay on your side for a couple hours and then you he's not specific but I think

he says you just shit. For what else could there be. It's I didn't cut a clip of it because it's one of the grossest things ever what other product what other what other results of all of that shit could arise. You're talking about apple cider vinegar for six days and a big old glass full of all. And then liquid shoots at your ears for six weeks.

Now you pass a bunch of plastics through your butt and he does say talk to your doctor which is well and your doctor will say no stop it. So at the at the about our point of this episode we get a return visit from our old friend Larry Nichols. Yes and Larry Stevie next on the last episode that he was on he came on and I believe kicked off Alex's savior complex. Yes which was laying dormant Alex for the entirety of his

career but the way Larry is respected by Alex and the way the Larry said hey Alex what you need to do you're the only one who can save us the way he articulated it I think is the roots of Alex's journey so he comes back on in this episode he's mostly just talking about a lot of the murders that the Clintons have committed talks about some guy who cut off his hands and his legs and decapitated himself and they ruled it a suicide I found no evidence that this is a real thing

that happened but what he really wants to talk about is we need to build an army he's enlisting Alex's followers to create an army to stop the Clintons that's exactly what we need and so that's I love it when people say let's turn into an army yeah that has no negative connotations to it whatsoever so here here he is describing that. I'm not here to smear them what I'm here to do is give you a character profile of these people because it's up to us you

know Alex it's up to your audience three, four million people that's how many you got because at the end of your talk to all of them he says there's three, four million people that's an army we got to stop them with. Cucking out Alex and you got to know who they are so you got to know who they are if you're going to stop them as an army so he goes on to know who your enemy is he goes on to talk about the murders and he also plays the we played the clip

on the last episode but the witches. Witches. So he talks about how Hillary Clinton went to witch church with the lady from Designing Women and then he drops this one on them. And Alex will remember the time to tell you what kind of woman this was Hillary Clinton. Two secret service agents in the White House are all this

wacky but the New Yorkers they go up and stuff breaking. They don't know whether to go in because you're not supposed to but things are breaking they barged in and there were Hillary in bed with Mark and Popes. You know my court that bond. They remember you and they'll pull up the chair and wanted to watch Hillary was throwing a strange way I said. That's the sick old people we call the Clintons.

So Hillary fucked for a marquee post somebody from the night court. Yeah she played the public defender on our court. So now I am a way bigger Hillary if I had known this I would have campaigned so much harder for Hillary. Are you kidding me fucked marquee post and then they were throwing no because Bill wanted to watch. So he pulled up a chair and Hillary didn't like that he

was watching. So she started throwing lamps around the room that the problem is that sounds pretty true. That's I buy it. That also sounds like a zero to me in terms of it also sounds like exactly a like he watched House of Cards like this is after House of Cards was 2015. Yeah he watched House of Cards.

That's what he did. Well also I love Larry Nichols obsession with people from sitcoms that's super he does love that he loves to throw them in his side characters but then also like he's saying that what he's going to do is come back every week and have a scandal a week right for Alex and this plus the designing women which church is the scandals that he's starting with that's what he's going for dude you got to do better

because I don't care if Hillary Clinton went to a witch church I'm pissed off she didn't invite me Shaq Taylor but at the same time I don't care if she had sex with Mark Markey Post she's a beautiful woman and I don't care if Bill Clinton watched and I don't care if she threw an ashtray well here's the one thing that you don't know yet right the scandal after this one I saw Hillary Clinton and Seinfeld both telling bad jokes at the Laugh Factory also they were fucking also she

fucked Dabber she fucked Kubiak for Parker Lewis God the fact when she fucked Telly Sebalas I'll tell you that was insane that she was a lot younger back then she was a hot piece pop up or push all right all right pack it in so that we got all we're gonna get so that's the that's what Larry Nichols wants to come I think the most important piece of it is what Larry Nichols wants to come come and say you got me so that's the that's like his who loves you baby come on so that's his

contribution I think the most important part is that he's trying to enlist Alex's audience manipulatively yes it's it's become very clear at this point that he's using Alex because he knows the millions of people listening he's like just trying to get his agenda through and he knows he can sort of dupe Alex right the other stuff is just really funny that's really funny school so we now jump to Wednesday the 24th and this is where I believe everything changed okay the

24th of June June 24th in 2015 I have reason to believe that this is where Alex began to lose his mind now have you ever read the case of Charles Dexter Ward HP Lovecraft Nope so part of it is there's a running trend throughout it of there's this guy named Charles Dexter Ward who at some point absolutely lost his mind right and there are different psychiatrists that have like thought it was at this point I was later it was later that's I'm all of those psychiatrists

when it comes to Alex because I have various points where I think he lost his mind. This one is big and I'll just play this you're putting you're putting a lot more chips on this one than you are on your other hands well there's two things that happen on this episode that I think are groundbreaking and here's the first one and I'm not even gonna set it up at all I just want you to take this in and

listen because it's I had a six hour dream last night from the time I went to bed that was the most vivid of my lifetime I can only describe it as a vision of the future. You can say scientifically it's what my brain with all the study has basically postulated my God you know I didn't know you could have such nightmares. I mean it was like 20 years of observations. Seeing things it was unbelievable I oh my God and whether

it was a dream or real whether I was peering into the future or not it doesn't matter because I could intellectually look at the enemy operation and tell you without a shadow of a doubt. That's where they're taking show whether it was a vision or whether my mind sense our minds are so incredible. Created this giant 20 year 3D movie complete with smell of vision whoa smell of vision.

How much would you pay for that so that I could try to wrap my mind around what faces our species and try to find the lever to move the world back from the brink of destruction. So Alex Jones had a dream and is now our Messiah he had a prophetic dream. That's what he's a dream about what the globalist how would you know how long no no one would know that is not possible no and time dilation happens during dreams so yeah it's

absurd yeah but this I legitimately think is crazy. No that's absolutely crazy. I've had a lot of very vivid dreams in my in my life. I've also practiced lucid dreaming for a little while and you know gained some mastery over the dreamscape what have you I'm in a way or not don't all right fuck off I'm fine with it it's a real cool fun I understand yeah and the when you apply concrete meaning to dreams a lot of the time you're

really messing up you're doing something really bad and I can think of no past historical comparison for that I can think of zero times where a man has said listen I dreamt of the future do what I say yeah that that generally works out right yeah and they're usually very verifiable things so Alex doesn't really get to in deep in depth about the dream itself except to say that it was the next 20 years of what the globalists are going to do yes and it and it lasted six

hours and it mysteriously followed the exact path of everything he said in the past almost as if he is a crazy person who has fixated on this bizarre false reality that he's created within his head to the point that it has invaded his psyche his subconscious yeah and so when he has a dream of a nightmare you know his nightmares obviously would match up with this thing that he thinks about all the time right so that's not all like mine are just about bank accounts and how

they're sure are gradually disappearing slowly burning into my toes just just money that's probably a vision just money on my toes six hours just lit on fire six hour dream about money toes yep I was set to I was set ablaze by a witch was a Hillary Clinton or the lady from Larry Nichols actually so that's the one truth there's only one which Larry Nichols is he a good witch? No, no, no, no, no. So how do you think is the nickname of Stevie Nicks? Alex is not done talking about this dream.

Last night in my dream I've studied him so much I was like tuning in basically. Everybody loves it when you tell people about your dreams. They're super interesting. It was like being possessed or something it was just absolutely horrible because it was like a 20 year dream it was just went on forever was like hell through their eyes while they were doing all this stuff my God it was horrible. Oh my God it's so horrible. The future is going to be just hell on earth people and the

churches won't warn anybody. It's all name it and claim it glitter bugs up there. I'm gonna breathe some air refueling we need money to fund this operation I want to hire 10 more reporters I want to I just don't have to crack the nut of that. You like that how it went from I had this dream that everything's going to be living out we need money. We need money. Yeah, everything's gonna be living hell.

Yeah, so I had the good the future will be a nightmare. Please give me money. Please send your donations to 1010 Northwest Street on meanwhile making fun of the prosperity gospel people who name it and claim it folks that he's talking about and the prosperity gospel people are fucking monsters totally but don't make fun of them right when you're about to ask for money like that's insane. No that's the perfect time so I think that is that is the perfect time to

mock them is like hey hey hey look at these idiots over here don't give them your money give me your money. I thought you were going to make the argument that the asking for money was parody. Oh no well he would have to understand parody that's true. So I believe that there is crassness to Alex's like I'm going to talk about this dream and then do a pitch for money but at the same time I think that the reality is that he's

started to internalize the savior myth that Larry Nichols has brought to the show okay and because that already it exacerbates feelings he's already had under the surface but he probably wasn't able to really come out with them because even he knows that would be grandiose and people would be like calm down Alex but because Larry Nichols has brought it to him it gives him much in the same way that Reverend Childress saying that Charleston was fake gives him

permission to say it's fake Larry Nichols being like you're our savior now his delusions get to roam for exactly so Alex comes in with this so are you making the are you making the argument that this is when his delusion comes out or are you making the argument that this is when he gives in whole hog to the delusions of Granger I think more the latter I think that it is the moment at least where his mind becomes like there is something talking to me like

these dreams the way he's presenting it is it's prophecy yeah this is when he becomes Elijah he described it as a vision of the next 20 years right like and he's the only one who can stop it he's the only one who's seen it with your money right and you're gonna need and he's gonna need look if there's one thing I know about apocalypses you need at least 10 more reporters yeah to really stop it runs into money exactly so that is the first thing that's super

important that happens on the 24th the other thing is the introduction of a new character into the pantheon of Info Wars people not rainbow snatch so no she's years old she's years from now she's just a twinkle in Alex Jones's mother's eyes so one thing that I think is interesting is that all the characters who play big roles now aren't around yet yes the Roger Stone he's nowhere to be seen he's not on any of these episodes there's no mention of him when he's on

almost every episode now right there's no fourth hour get hosts necessarily he's usually just doing three hours and then doing overdrive if he has to get to some topics and stuff like that so a lot of there is still David Knight but our cast of our cast of rotating monsters is we have David Knight the Anne McAdoo jacari Jackson Joe Biggs those folks are around right but yeah like the Anthony Kumi is so far I've seen no evidence of Rappaport existing back then although I'll keep

you posted I'm sure he's still alive at this point in the past or he blipped into existence in 2016 exactly Alex Jones created him out of a vision he pulled him from betwixt his ears so this is the first instance that I can find and I might be wrong about this I admit that I may be wrong but I know that it's the first time she has ever been on and I believe it's the first time he's had a guest from rebel media on oh okay Mike Cernovich and rebel media at this point is very low key

yeah Mike there's really not part of rebel media and I don't know what he's doing at this point probably some Gamergate shit right he's not something horrible he's not on Alex's radar Jack Pasobiek isn't a player at this point he's not even on the he's not on anyone's radar I don't know the fuck he's doing at this point Gavin McGinnis isn't he's involved with rebel media as well but he's not on Alex's radar he hasn't popped up on any shows but Alex does on the 24th of June

have someone from rebel media a lady by the name of Lauren Southern on as a guest all right so Lauren so that name at this point she is a college student and she has a YouTube channel and reports for rebel media on this episode she had just put out a video that was making fun of the slut walk so I'm I'm assuming that she's doing it in a very sex positive way and saying that there is no reason for women to be ashamed after they have a wonderful night with somebody

that they care about or don't care about or just fuck you might you might have the wrong angle on this so she's not she's making fun of them she's making fun of them for having sex in the first place well it she turns it all and she turns it into a rape thing oh for fucks and to be fair some of it was some of the the March and some of the protest was about that oh absolutely no it was sexual assault is a horrifying problem right that is prevalent across many campuses and is

often covered up like the Baylor bullshit and that whole thing like yeah I'm on board there March had a sex positivity bent to it and a rape awareness bent to it so she goes out and it's all it she I'm going to play two clips from when they play her report because they play a bit of it and I want you to keep the mic down because it's going to make you really mad and I need you to hear Alex I doubt it'll make me bad I need you sure that it's going to be right in my wheelhouse of

I'm going to agree with her politics I need you and the audience to hear Alex mumbling in the background while the video plays because it's real it's worse than her report itself while her report is not great so here we go here's the first one this is Lauren's voice will come in for a second and then a lady on the street will start to sort of confront her about her position and I would describe this as Lauren not being good on her feet not thinking fast is this stopping

rapes back of anything that you've said this afternoon absolutely said that rapists go to jail can you give me a stat to back that up based on the number of rapes that are reported the number of rapes to get taken to the cops the number of rapes to get prosecuted could you give me some stats to back up your pseudo reporting here well first of all out of the amount of rapes that happen out of 100,000 people 1.7 of Canadians actually even just that's just

reporting rapes so you know that less than 10% of rapes are actually reported this is victimology where's that from all of the women's organizations you can look it up online you can find it through the socialized organizations that study rape I participate with an organization that works as a rape crisis center we base that on the number of calls the police know based on the unofficial reports the third party reporting in the direct reports this is not a secret

that about 10% of rapes are reported so how do you know 10% of rapes are reported if the others aren't because those people call the women's centers they ask for help they seek medical attention so they are reported oh gotcha she thinks that's a gotcha like the reporting to a women's clinic or something like that is the equivalent of all rapes go to the police yeah it's the same thing she's she's really moving goalposts around and then when Lauren is asked to give any

statistics she stammers through a couple numbers and I think it's I think it's obvious that Alex is right now listening to this going Lauren isn't doing the job and that's why he's talking over she's a woman yeah exactly but he's he's listening he's he is listening to women talk to each other and he does not like that at all nothing in our no one is the Bechtel test no thank you they are talking to each other that's dangerous yeah even if they're disagreeing they're they're

fomenting Alex cannot contain himself but but I think also you get the sense that even though he thinks that she's not doing the right job or doing it hard enough right he's like ooh alright I like what she's putting down still she's on the right side of it yeah anti feminist woman interesting yeah that's my that's my jam right there so she's so Lauren southern is getting her ass kicked pretty handily here in that clip yeah that's not in the same way that's kind of

pathetic in the same way they keep posting these marked ice videos where it doesn't show what he thinks it shows right she posts is on the rebel and it's like I fucking told these feminists is like no if you listen to what they're actually saying that lady is totally right yeah no she's she's demolishing you and you're like that's but that's what's so disheartening about it is that she comes away from that thinking that that was a win for her like it like and the

woman she's talking to very clearly goes away with that thinking I'm never going to get through to this lady probably the somehow the the people who know what's going on or who can reflect reality who can see the issues are losing whenever they're arguing with liars with people who are just utterly and completely willing to obfuscate misunderstand and then lie about the results of something that's the way of the world now I know there's there's a really funny clip

that I didn't cut out because it gets murky murky'd up by Alex sort of editorializing on it but there's one point in her report where a lady was asking her to not use footage that she had shot of someone else like this this person doesn't want you to use her footage can you take it out she doesn't consent to using footage she's like I don't know she might we're in public so I can use it if I want to and though the person's like you understand it's a little bit weird that

you're not respecting her consent. There's it's like it's like it's a sketch yeah quite frankly yeah it's so it's so bizarre but so the next one is Lauren starts talking to a dude at the March and Alex can't handle that a dude is breaking our ranks a dude is talking is he is feminist dude is he a cuck do you actually think we live in a rape culture though because I'd say for the most part we demonize rapists we send them to prison a guy to make rape jokes lose

their job I think we're making great strides in doing that but at the same time they're girls oh fuck you look at this beta so Lauren coming on the show she has made it quite a splash Alex is thrilled to do an interview but we're not going to really go over it because it's it's it's just it's full of bullshit and you know we don't want to break it down so Lawrence Lawrence rebel media bonafides are she's a college student yes in Canada yes and how does she get hooked up with

rebel media in the first I believe that she had a YouTube channel and they found her and gave her a job yes that's what I that's what I understand I've seen some of her other work and it is just as propagandistic right and she's a prominent member of the alt right right and the reason that like I would have just cut this out and been like yeah we don't this isn't really relevant to the narrative of the Trump investigation that I'm on but I believe it's relevant because this I think

is the point where rebel media becomes a factor in the info wars verse in the world of Alex Jones he starts getting in with these folks which leads him to bring in Gavin McGinnis of the proud boys right and I I so be it comes into the picture because of them this is like the recruiting of the fellowship of the ring like what's going on here all of these disparate parts are coming together to destroy the world yeah I believe so and as as best I can tell this is sort of the root of it

here on June 24th the day of Alex's vision so that's really fucked up yeah after this Alex leaves the studio and he goes to Buckley's wedding so he's gone from the 25th to the 28th he is he is out David Knight hosts so I have no idea what happened I don't care on the 29th he comes back and like we said you can you can listen to that episode that we did we did an entire episode of that there's one thing that we didn't talk about on that episode as much as I would have

liked and that is that he has an interview with a guy and they talk pretty extensively about how the globalists are to blame for the destabilization of Ukraine and they're against Russian sanctions so much like Jeff sessions wasn't a part of the Trump team when Alex started kissing his ass the Russian sanctions part wasn't part of Trump's shit either at that point yeah Alex is clearly already on that side yeah so that predates that's interesting that very it's very so so so Alex

Jones's support of Russia annexing Crimea of of not sanctioning Russia for this well I don't came before Trump I don't think that he thinks that Russia is totally innocent but he thinks that it's the globalists fault and Russia is just trying to help out the people of Ukraine that's sort of and beyond that the idea that UN forces are at the door of Russia and it's going to cause World War three is what he's more concerned about okay so that's where that's fitting into

it see because I like without hearing it I just see him being like hey it's cool that they take over Ukraine but now that's like if if he's seeing that as a an opportunity for the UN to grab more power then now I can see why he would take that more organically yeah it does you see what I'm saying it fits into his world view a little bit more because of the involvement of the UN yeah and because his imagined influence of global ists yeah but at the same time it is pro Russia yeah which is

very suspicious it is like why why would he start being pro Russian now I don't know I don't know I don't have a whole lot of context for that but I hope to discover it as we move forward through the investigation so now we get to June 30th where he's back in studio and this episode is a disaster Alex is you know he's been on his vacation he's you know still getting back into the groove hung over he does about a 40 minute ad with Anthony he's now married to his cousin

Buckley's wife this this is probably before he got remarried is this 2015 when they first started yeah this is when the divorce was been 2014 I think as I said it was three years ago gotcha but he does a 40 minute ad for brain force yes with Anthony Gucci arty who's a writer for info wars and apparently some natural path of sorts so I don't know I don't know I don't know is there so I don't know I see them like congealing from penicillin on some somebody's basement floor I don't think

Anthony Gucci arty is still around I don't know I haven't seen him in current episodes dead no no just not with the fold and he is incredibly silent for a large part of the time he's on screen much like jacari Jackson well he's an info wars regular he knows what he knows what's up you know he knows who breath who butters his bread you know to shut the fuck up yeah but before he gets to that before Alex does that he's talking he does it's so long it's I mean it's

the Sunday show 40 minutes on brain force I believe that's a Sunday me let me check my that has the feel of an MST 3K episode that's a Tuesday show Tuesday on Tuesdays on brain force yeah so he does that really on commercial but before he does at the beginning of the show he tells this story that is I believe his way of trying to build credibility about himself okay but I don't believe it we'll get into just over the top it's only where I got there's three articles today

on Obama power grabbing and it's it's what we thought but I mean it's even more inventive and wicked and evil than I thought they would do I mean so your dream didn't really do you that much good not really but also spoiler alert he does not get to these new stories oh he does 40 minutes talking about brain force but it's even more dangerous and terrifying than we need to get to this I can't believe he has rights to play Beatles songs either oh no he absolutely can't imagine

that no the ghost of Michael Jackson would never allow this no so here we go nine times out of ten things are worse than I say he's going to use of exaggerating a lot because people didn't actually read what we were getting into but nine times out of ten people say it's on purpose to be over the top again to just overwhelm you and break your will and at a genetic cellular level it hasn't broken my will but I just already know all this is coming so it's almost like we can't

oppose it because we've been fighting it so long we just expect that we've made preparation for it in our hearts and minds and that's why they tell you what they're going to do to you even though it can unravel their plan is because humans are designed to adapt evolve overcome to their environment even if it's a scientific takeover so they've tricked us in algorithm to adapt to our slavery and I know I say that all the time because a very high level globalist

very sickeningly schooled me for about an hour on a three hour flight to New York first class what happened the other two hours watching a movie I've told the story many times but it's key I didn't even get it till I got off the plane what do you think people are going to adapt when they have this information resist they're going to adapt to it what a shitty conversation that must have been totally and he was slick he was smart he was good looking you know he was everything and

it was just funny to him that his suit look perfect his overcoat look perfect I wouldn't even know how to look like that and that he could just arrogantly laugh at me when he walked off the plane and so many lay average folks would say to me oh yeah you really talk to this person that would really talk to you like that there's a whole another world out there when you're a quote journalist a pundit when people know you live and die by

not breaking confidences so you live and die you live and die Alex Jones on a plane talking to a well-dressed man giving them a handy so again our theory about every time he lies he gives tons of details suits he's I couldn't even I couldn't even wear a tie like that so but he gets that they end there there's a whole new world that opens up when people know that you don't you live and die by not giving up confidential sources smash cut to him giving away certain

which is telling people about what his cousin told him about secretive operations smash cut to what he's about to say like he literally says that people open up to you when they know that you would rather die than give up a confidential interaction that you have somebody seriously listen to what he is about to say okay that the people will say this soft record right and I'll go yep and they'll go okay

you're gonna fail it's like when I had 15 years ago these things Thomas Barnett I'm going from memory like that one of the heads of one of the war colleges and he done a C-span thing about how the military works for world government now there's a global government takeover and how great it is enjoying with Sauron with all these top generals watching him and he wouldn't come on once you figure out I was Alex Jones

not Alex S. Jones of the New York Times with the other Alex Jones and he goes you fail nothing can stop us I mean he was almost like Emperor Palpatine the other saying you cannot win Darth Vader will become more powerful than I was I mean he was just a bit first he said this is off record right you for listening to John Harmon wouldn't even hear that long ago I don't know who wasn't heard that only the board operator heard talking to me during the break it is they're trying to

get to commercial because they got a hard break but did you hear he said at the end there he's like the guy said this is off the record right yeah and then he's like hey we will destroy you yeah he's just telling people that now that is literally a demonstration of him not being well that was clearly made up totally that was obviously made like here's what happened the guy found out he wasn't from the New York Times he found out he was from Info Wars and said no I don't want to

be on your show I'm out that was it yeah that was the whole thing because I nobody nobody said you will fail we will destroy you right that's a hallmark of a lie so they come back from break and he talks to the board operator the person the engineer about the scenes this and such a ramp shackle bullshit he's like hey you were here that happened right he's like yep absolutely you heard him say that just like you said boss sure yeah and that also says like at the end there he

said that this guy who's talking to said this is off the record and when he comes back he's like I misunderstood I miss told that it wasn't off the record yeah no kid or it was on the record whatever you know he's he doubles back to make it like I didn't give away a blah blah blah so and it was John Barnett was that the name I believe so yeah so at this point the show goes on a little while and he has a really reasonable interview with a banking lady that he actually

let's talk a whole bunch interesting and she seems fairly reasonable and gives a lot of reasons for a potential collapse right and it's not worth going over on the show because it's Alex doesn't talk at all and she doesn't seem crazy so that's odd yeah it's about 15 minutes or so of the episode and then we get to this this is right before that was that's the maximum amount of time they can handle reasonability on that I think Alex was getting his brain force notes in order while she was

talking yeah so we get to this interview or not interview but just entire product plug for brain force and Anthony Gucci already is sitting there silently through this entire clip I'm about to play for you that is bonkers but I want to be clear Alex thinks he's playing to Anthony he's talking to Anthony Gucci already and Anthony is just going making no noises just nodding his head like I want to see I want to see like that because they've only got one camera right there only no no I

mean like there's oh they're only shooting the direct Alex Jones no shot no there's no there's a couple cameras there's multiple angles yeah yeah God I want to see like the the live feed from one of the ones that is pointed a hard cam on the gas yeah on the gas just like just fuck fuck what Alex is doing just stare at them throughout this whole are this whole eyebrows go yeah yeah just like what is it just try and get inside the mind of somebody listening to this now yeah so here we go

listen to this this is how he intros what is going to be a 40 minute ad for brain force. I'm not name dropping I'm just proud of the fact that I knew Charlton Heston interviewed him twice and talked to him a few times on the phone. Not bragging I just love Charlton Heston. It's hard for me to play that promo about how soiling greens becoming reality and see Charlton Heston and just I

celebrate humanity great poets great actors great scientists but I admire Charlton Heston more because even though he was demonized and attacked he spent over $10 million of his own money that's not really known that that's known by inside baseball people. $10 million of his own money in that last decade or so flying around on a private jet giving speeches for the Second Amendment he wasn't paid by the NRA and by the way $10 million

even though he was been a huge actor back then you got paid maybe half million dollars for starring in a movie he spent most of his money. That's why his wife talk trash about him and stuff once he was senile and rolled him out on TV where he I'm sorry honey then a week later they announced he's totally doesn't even know who he is or he interviewed a chair talk about traitor rolling out once he doesn't know who he is to have him denounce everything

stood for I think it was NBC. Yeah, yeah. I remember watching that interview going that's not Charlton Heston. That's Clint Eastwood. Yeah, people are sick. I just admire Charlton Heston because he was such an honorable person and spent basically his whole fortune the 5th of the

Second Amendment. I feel like Clint Eastwood and Charlton Heston are very similar and I apologize for making that mistake but at the same time come on now Dana Gould tells a great Charlton Heston story. Great. Go listen to that. Yeah, exactly. So I want to tell a Charlton Heston story.

Okay. So Alex goes on after this after he's put Charlton Heston spoiler alert. It was earth the whole time he had traveled through time not through space. Anyways, good spoiler. Continue. So Alex after this goes on to say that people think the Charlton

Heston is racist and that's because he's not racist. Everybody who is racist gets awards like Margaret Sanger and stuff like that. Okay, okay. Whereas if you aren't racist people call you racist because the globalists want to turn upside down world. Yes. So here is something from the NRA's website about Charlton

Heston is a little bit of a biography after the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy by a gunman Heston championed the gun control act of 1968 a landmark federal law regulating firearms appearing on the ABC's the Joey Bishop show Heston said about the act quote this bill is no mystery. Let's be clear about it. Its purpose is simple and direct. It's not to deprive the sportsman of his hunting gun the marksman

of his target gun nor would it deny any responsible sit in his citizen his constitutional right to own a firearm. It is to prevent the murder of Americans. Heston opposed the Vietnam War and considered running for the U. S. Senate as a Democrat. But by the 1980s his political affiliation changed with his endorsement of a Republican Ronald Reagan for president by 1997 he had joined the culture war delivering a fiery speech

at the Free Congress Foundation that argued that American society persecuted whites. A year later he was elected the president of the NRA. So it looks like maybe he lost his mind around 1990. I mean that's not that's not an uncommon trajectory though like that's that's what happened to that entire generation like our our Fox News loving progenitors wind up having that very same arc like my dad 20 years ago my dad wasn't a vicious you know

Obama's a birth certificate thing yeah yeah that didn't happen that wasn't anybody until Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch fucking destroyed the world and it took people took people's families away yeah it was literally yeah so the rest of this episode is that huge ad he yells a lot about how he doesn't care about Caitlyn Jenner he doesn't care about the the battle flag arguments that people are having it's all a distraction. He goes on to tell at the end of the episode he has like two

minutes left and he gets to a news piece that he was going to get to it's about how some cops beat up a guy who was handcuffed and how it's awful and I'd like is awful it is I agree with him that's where we that's full stop right there that's that's it he says that well it's just in juxtaposition with him supporting our Pio and supporting Sheriff Clark Oh for so it's like I agree with the point but you're not logically consistent your team the people who are on your team you're thrilled that

they can do whatever they want or you just ignore that they do that yeah but anyway here's a nice out of context drop to cleanse our palates we are called racist with no proof by MSNBC ADL Southern Barbey Law Center add knowledge fight so now the month we're we're we call them racist with proof that's fair with a shit ton of proof so with hours upon hours of listening proof yes so now June is over June Gloom has passed and we're into July July 1st rolls around and David

Knight is hosting damn it fuck so I skip that episode I don't care there might be huge revelations happening I don't care I could that's that's that's when they actually are a perfect news outlet so long as Alex isn't there like we just have no idea and you're noticing to like it is David Knight who's hosting all the time whenever he's gone because the people like Owen shroyer he's not around yet right the people Millie Weaver is not around yet a lot of his team

hasn't crystallized yeah it's much more of a bare bones crew but Ashley Beckford isn't around Rob do is though but he's mysteriously absent from everything I've listened to so far so which is not all that much of a mystery he's boring shit so yeah mysteriously absent gives it like he's on he's on a vision quest to to find the man yeah he's doing he's still in withdrawals from super male vitality because his wife told him to stop do do you dick too hard to stop it so on the July

2nd episode most of the narrative that he's pushing is about how the TSA and you know airports basically are requiring people to have a federal ID in order to travel right and this is the mark of the beast oh wait but wouldn't he totally on board with that no very much against it he wants you just to have state IDs because he he believes that oh it's that it's not the ID part it's the federal ID yes and even even though federal IDs are still like an Illinois drivers

license that has like a federal piece to it or whatever states that collaborate with the federal government he's super against it's the mark of the beast he screams about that a bunch but he also makes sense he also does say that he supports ID laws for voting so it's a little complicated little complicated so in the first what do you what blind spots do we have what do you mean like I like that's like that is a like he has an ideology like total logical inconsistent yeah that

he is completely and utterly I don't know picking and choosing what he's beholden to like do you like one thing that I think about a lot with well I complain about him being homophobic and I hate gay people so that's one oh there you go yeah that's the big one I didn't know that one yeah I didn't know that like on it for for what reason oh just because they're gay just this is all not true okay but here's not like not even any Bible underpinning just like oh I'm done with this

bit I don't even like the words no but that's what I'm saying like I I listen to that and I think I am not some sort of superhuman I assume that I have my own blind spots like that totally what what are they though like I'm trying to find some place where I would not apply my philosophy to it I feel like the fact that you're asking those questions means that you'll figure it out and you probably have figured out things in the past and then corrected it yeah I think that

you and I see life especially philosophies and the political beliefs as sort of works in progress it's art to a certain extent and that circumstances change in your beliefs change there are unalienable principles that you have about human dignity human rights those sorts of things yeah but they're going to constantly be shifting economic realities shifting political realities like with right not in office you wouldn't be nearly as radical as you feel right now so that that's a

change that's a good question but the other thing I wouldn't mean I I think I would still I think I just wouldn't be as anxious sure but that that does motivate or that does change absolutely but I think that also those inconsistencies or those blind spots are best seen by other people right it's often very difficult to see it in yourself you can do it as much as self analysis as you want but like in therapy or with your friends are the places that you can best find those

things and I don't think Alex has a whole lot of people who will correct him or be like hey dude what about this yeah even his lawyers bad and we have people in our lives who would be like you're you're full of shit what are you doing so I don't know I don't I think it's I think it's more of the problem being his inconsistency is on those inalienable things yes like that that that is a problem like for for you and I it is bad when anybody gets beat up by the cops yes that

is bad and we're always against it he is only against it whenever it is let's face it white dude being and it's not somebody that he supports like like with our pay on all that stuff how do you not apply that same underpinning of it's bad when cops beat up people well and he's bad when cops murder people he's super mad about like what he believes to be police not investigating sexual assaults done by you know these these immigrants who have come here he's super mad

about that but never really stops to think about how the fact that Joe Arpaio personally oversaw a department that just ignored sexual assault complaints and rape complaints because people were immigrants let's not get back into you understand that much I fucking right yeah that's the that's the inconsistency yeah I don't know I know there are blind spots that we have but I don't know what they are if you guys if you guys out there listening can find any I'm open to hearing

some yeah well that's kind of our point yeah so anyway we get to July 2nd and this is a revolutionary moment because on July 2nd what would that be 16 days after Donald Trump has announced his candidacy for the president Alex Jones finally says Donald Trump's name on his show alright this is the first instance of it I'll let you let you see what where he lands it begins and Hillary's campaign head was at Bilderberg no one else's campaign head was showing you who the aid to

campus they've got Trump running as the ringer in my view against Jeb who's the second ringer for Hillary and I predict they're going to put Trump and Jeb is the frontrunners by giving them the attention making a fight between them worthy of WWF that the Trump's been gone out and been part of WWF before and we're seeing it on clip on the news and then he will bow out to Jeb at the last minute and Jeb will fall to Hillary only in America could you have such

synthetic made up fake political garbage that's that's that's very reasonable analysis that everybody was making at that time basically right more or less that's pretty much what most people are saying and that might have been part of the problem that everyone was saying those sort of things yep because it turns out there isn't a globalist cabal that's controlling everything if there was maybe that's what would happen but the real world works very differently than Alex's

fake fucking narrative yeah so he at that point thought that that was what's going to happen that's the first time he's mentioned Trump yeah and it's sort of like a it's very blasé and whatever so on the second he also makes this claim he has an interview with Ron Paul and yeah he's bringing up Rand Paul and how Rand is also running for president and he says this it must be amazing after all your hard work and success promoting liberty to see your son being

the only person out of a field of like 11 candidates who's being called radical just because 50 years ago he'd be called middle of the road he's just promoting basic sane Americana ideas and I hope and pray not true that we can get him the nomination but regardless running he'll help educate people so at this point he's saying that Rand Paul is the only person who's standing up for Americana ideas yeah he's on the Rand Paul train he is very much on the Rand Paul train super into it

so he has this interview with Ron Paul and it is there an epiphany is there like a is there like one moment where he just switches tracks I don't know this isn't this investigation is ongoing my friend you're just making me ask so many questions but that's kind of the point of this thing so at this at this point he gets into a little bit of the sales pitch and I don't want to play the whole thing but he says this and it's really funny to me so I'm just

going to play it I mean it's real simple I'm a very superstitious person and I don't mean superstitious about walking under ladders and things like that though I don't like when a black cat runs out in front of me okay I'm superstitious I'm not super bad I'm not a superstitious person but I am you know what I mean yeah okay sure sure I just love that like look I know I'm not I'm not I am you know what I mean I know that superstitions are dumb but I'm superstitious

you know you know what I mean so as I mentioned at the beginning of the show and we've talked about a bit along the way the big narrative that he had been pushing along with all these sort of many ones that we've been discussing yes the stupid shit about the Civil War and what have you Christ but along the way he's been having all these interviews with supposed experts like you know Paul Craig Roberts that one was more about the Putin shit but Peter Schiff Max Kaiser he has these

people on and on his own and is just making the argument that fucking the economy is about to collapse yes everything he does say specifically the summer he's talking about maybe the fall summer maybe the fall we're all it could be summer could be fall you know we're already into July so we're into the summer yeah so he's basically saying that everything is coming down fast he's also talking about gold a ton and then on July 2nd he has a little guest in studio and it's not

good he hadn't been on in a long time and there will be a two minute infomercial at the end of the interview that's not why Ted Anderson is on he is the owner of the GCN radio network the parent you know company working with minus resources Ted was a sponsor for this show 19 years ago when I was a local radio host as a reputable golden silver company and then he started his own network Genesis 18 years ago so I've been syndicated in this this time slot well 17 years in

this time slot one year I was on at night with him when I first got syndicated because there were some never forgive that son of a bitch but he joins us Ron Paul was just on talking about the basically imminent financial meltdown no one knows the exact time but globalists are headed towards the exits so so globalists are headed towards the exits exit they're evacuating they're they're armored redoubts right right of course mountains strongholds absolutely yeah so it starts

to come into focus now if you really take a look at this Ted Anderson owns the Genesis communication network that syndicates Alex Jones's show on all these mystery affiliates that are apparently leaving him now so he is basically responsible for most of Alex Jones's success yes he also owns minus resources which is a gold sale started as a reputable gold I like the way I like the way you phrase that it started 17 years ago as a reputable gold and silver company because

of affiliation with me yeah no longer a reputable place if you look online actually there are some bad reviews of their there might as resources but be that as a man I don't know enough to say I don't know along the way through the past couple weeks he has been saying a bunch of stuff about how gold is going to be selling for $50,000 an ounce yeah he's been talking about gold a lot in the context of all this financial collapse stuff you see even in his introduction

for Ted he brings up that Ron Paul just was on the show saying the financial collapse is imminent right Alex Jones makes money if they sell gold at the Midas resources yeah it's very simple it's a one to one he can't do this he's fear mongering to sell gold absolutely and he's bringing on the guy who sells gold on a show and sell gold and saying we're going to play an infomercial but that's not why he's on now it's it utterly insane what is the most

unethical thing ever gold oh he talks about gold basically he just talks about how gold is it's about to skyrocket I'll play the clip I'll play the clip he this is Alex summing up what Ted Anderson has already said okay because I don't expect people to actually do the smart thing for whatever reason and buy at what I believe is the bottom of the market when we know they're manipulating it down when we know the paper so dangerous I expect people though to remember this this fall

when it starts racing up I believe it will not a prediction it's just what I believe that's a prediction and if they can continue to suppress it I'll be surprised but regardless so his argument is that the globalists are suppressing gold prices because they want to buy it all up and then you know skyrocket the price you don't buy it you're an idiot yes and you should all the I told you so that's going to come from Alex Jones in the fall when I mean if you look at it gold

prices have not gone up really substantially at all now they've stayed pretty much consistent it's right around that like twelve hundred thirteen hundred dollars an ounce which is still bananas but whatever pretty crazy yeah but it's held that for quite a while and not really gone up or down substantially to the point where you could really make any money with the amount that an Alex Jones listener could buy right it's pointless it's fucking stupid and all it does

is sell Ted Anderson's gold this is one of the most unethical things I've ever seen because legitimately weeks leading up to this he's spelling out this it's about to collapse it's about to collapse the content of his show is leading up to this interview with Ted Anderson he knows that this interview is coming that's the prestige that's the revelation all of the other stuff is to prep the audience scare them and get them into a state of mind where they're like oh yeah he was

talking about how it's going to collapse when he wasn't talking about Ted Anderson all of this stuff does predate him bringing this guy in he's bringing this guy in to help us so you're saying that this was actually a two week long infomercial yes this entire thing was just one buildup of a narrative I believe so and then at the end he pulls out the and here's here's the guy who's going to sell you all this gold that I was going to tell you yeah yes a hundred percent created a problem and

then delivered the solution to you he's shifted off the Charleston narrative into this collapse narrative which isn't out of character for him necessarily but he's he collapses still within his but normal purpose he shifts into it so hard so immediately with predictions of the summer consistently right throughout the last few weeks and it's so focused around gold yeah stuff that it's it's there's no way it's a coincidence so he got a do you think he got a directive

I mean his boss yeah so his boss is saying like hey we need to sell some more gold probably I mean I can't say that for sure it sounds it sounds about the only explanation us saying that is a little bit conspiratorial in some ways because we don't have any information what that is is I guess no I mean that's just simple business right sure like we talked about with Chick-fil-A they need to sell more shit yeah so they go to their advertising guys and say put together an ad campaign

we got to push it yeah put fucking cows up on a billboard Alex Jones is the cows on a billboard for gold yeah that's what he is for Midas resources yeah and it's it which is what makes him different from people like yeah it's disqualifying absolutely you're an ethical broadcaster even if your parent company owns a gold consortium or whatever you it's your responsibility to whenever you bring up gold issues back what our company is also owned by the people who own Midas

resources right remind the audience consistently whenever you're talking about these collapse narratives that conflict of interest and then when Ted Anderson wants to come on you have to tell him no you have to tell him you can't use my platform or you start and like if you go to if you go to a website and you see sponsored content right you have to you go oh this was paid for if you look at a tweet you see they put it as it's sponsored yeah like it's not so every time Alex

Jones brings up collapse he should bring up this is sponsored content right exactly so fucking evil it's the it's the same shit that people do on Instagram like their models and they they just have products in the background and they make money for that yeah like it's it's insidious advertising so fucked up yeah so the Alex Jones having a prophetic dream was one of the oh shit moments for me in terms of this investigation right this was another it turns out that

that prophetic dream was a email late at night that it was about three lines long but it took him six hours to read and that email was goddamn it we need to sell some gold or you're fucking off these yeah exactly yeah yeah I think also Alex might have had some sweets before bed so yeah he had some night terrors he had one too many glasses wine he had some night terrors a little sleep paralysis that happens towards the end of this episode Alex Jones after the interview with

Ted Anderson has another interview with Jesse Ventura for Intura comes back on and lies exactly the same way about what he did in the last interview still needs money totally and this time they take it a step further oh no in this in this time when he's on Alex links Jesse's plight the idea that he's being sued in this appeal of the case that he had won he thinks that the reason they're doing that is that Hillary knows oh Jesse Ventura could beat her right Jeb Bush

is a we that's that's his angle Jeb Bush is a weak candidate a lot of the other Republicans are weak born out by history Rand Paul is great but he probably couldn't win absolutely not he's still he's still whole hog in the Rand Paul camp yeah but he he's trying hard to get Jesse to run in this so he's not like I like I said this is 16 days after Trump announced his candidacy yeah he's trying to get fucking Jesse Ventura to run yeah so he's not on board with Trump at all right

16 days in 16 days after the Mexicans are rapists some of them are good people comments not on board at all it wasn't until the grab him by the pussy tape that Alex was like finally someone I can relate to finally someone who speaks my English yeah exactly I know I don't know who treats women as objects yes I don't know we'll see when we get to that I do guarantee he talked a lot of shit about Billy Bush I'm sure he was oh yeah oh I can't wait to get this weasel yeah actually

I think when that tape came out he was already full hog oh he has propagandist yeah yeah so we go to July 3rd and this is fucking hilarious and we're not going to play it because I'm sick of playing Mark Dice clips on the show okay on the previous day on the second they played a Mark Dice video where he was going around asking people if they knew what was celebrated on the 4th of July and there are a bunch of people who are drunk on the beach and most of them didn't care to talk

to yes and so a lot of them are like independence is like from whom and a lot of them didn't know did he say whom no he didn't I'm just correcting myself there we go so they play that video on the 2nd and then on the 3rd Alex sends Joe Biggs out to do the same bit in Austin I'm assuming that goes amazingly well goes great swimmingly yeah they're they're whole like man on the street shit is so they're bad at man on the street shit it's not funny and it doesn't make a point so they do

that and I'm playing this clip because it's the reverse of it sort of this clip is Alex talking about what happens whenever he goes to like abortion rallies and stuff like that I'm going to play the clip and then I'm going to explain what happened after the clip the clip is hilarious the truth is funnier I told you I've seen it before and they they they appeared when I had cameras that abortion clinic and they appeared that you teach spontaneously they were just

there in the crowd and women just circled the Christians and went Satan Satan and those women were probably never in a satanic black mass they were witches they just know it their eyes were all just just just just electric with enjoyment because they could feel the power of all those dead babies they were joining with Satan and I told you I've been out to abortuaries and people always show up going I love Satan I want to kill people I want to kill black people and sure

enough they showed up going I love Satan I have hair under my arms and I killed my children that's all they've got that's their accomplishment that one guys I go raise money in the community I've killed 40 something children and I love it kill them with pentagrams all over them I'm liberal I love Satan I love you I'm liberal I'm the moral authority I'm in an 80,000 black Jaguar they're just calling out to their God that's who they are and it's their country now to turn upside

down and run down and destroy we lost to this so the fourth as you lie is a new declaration of independence against them so that is kind of relevant to my investigation declaration of independence is against Satanists yeah but or witches here's the here's the people who worship dead babies here's the thing on a different episode I regret that I can't remember which one it was and I don't have the clip but I'm going to try and find the actual video yeah because he does play the video

of this oh does it happen the way he said it did it's people trolling him it's people fucking with him oh really people we're saying that shit that's hilarious but not in the same way that he's depicting it but it's like it's people fucking with him the same way that we talk about this in the past that like people wanting to put up satanic things at state buildings yeah trying to make the point of like you have your religion here you have to accept all of them exactly it's the

same thing it's like okay you're coming out here we're just going to fuck with you yeah and so there's people like Satan because I see the people it's like they're they're laughing but Alex because he doesn't understand reality he hears them and it's like oh obviously they mean this obviously they are real satanists and that's who all liberals are that does that does make a that does make a lot of sense for his worldview but in the same way if he takes that seriously then so many

other things then become will he takes every time somebody's fucking with him because of how stupid he is yeah he takes that as more reinforcement like this support globalist on the plane yeah probably just someone making conversation with him and then laughing at him yeah also like he takes insider information from callers yeah and random people that he meets become parts of his narratives so of course he has no ability to know what is real and what is not and this clip completely

demonstrates it and the way he integrates these people trolling him at an abortion rally is that oh they're part of a satanic thing that worships abortion that's what liberals are and that fully informs yeah his beliefs about liberals that's breath taking it's crazy it is breath taking how how like his what is it he is on so much super male vitality too much that it is scrambled his brain iodine's fucking eatin holes don't take his supplements don't fucking insane yeah he cannot delineate

the difference between fantasy and reality and pretty much not at all unbelievable which I actually think is a very important piece of my investigation because I think it does fit into a piece of what ends up getting him down the Trump path but I think that there's way more to the story that I'm uncovering I want his brain donated to sign science yeah whenever whenever it may be it's gonna be full of brain force just let's just fucking get a capsule of brain force and

cut it open so because on the last show he opened floodgates talking about Donald Trump now Alex has a couple things he wants to say about Donald Trump oh really yep here's the first one and look I think Donald Trump's in there for publicity I think Donald Trump will drop out of an opportune time handed over to jab I think that's what his job is that's what his job is but he doesn't just think it in this next does he have a high level source that is confirmed in this next clip he

implies knowledge of something about Donald Trump this clip made me gasp at work okay when I was listening to this when I was researching this episode I gasped and then I had to walk around the room and go outside okay I was freaked out alright when I heard this next clip like you saw three Muslim woman in a pool shop absolutely it freaks him out you go and you show at the university four or five palace size houses 40 million 13 million you name it you say is this Donald Trump's

sure but I think he's the richest guy the guy's literally nothing just a front man for some consortium's on the East Coast I'll leave it at that oh yeah Trump's piece of work folks and they go in there it's just mind blowing I don't even know what to say anymore wow so you know what he's saying there that's mob consortium's on the East Coast is mob shit yeah that's what he's talking about all this stuff that people are now you know coming out in real research these

are some of the things that Donald Trump has Alex knew about that stuff in 2015 before he ever got on board but when he thought he was just there for publicity Alex Jones he knows something I don't know exactly what he knows but the way he phrased that it yeah but so the problem with that is it does have the same ring of a lot of the lies that he's told about totally totally so if he if he thinks Donald's a globalist that is perfectly within his his worldview to be like well just

the same way well you know Hillary she's in the she's in the tank with these demons or whatever he says way more specific stuff about Hillary though that's true the way that he says he just Donald Trump is nothing yeah not rich yeah he's a front man for some consortium's on the East Coast I'm not going to get into that he's a piece of work I don't even know what to say anymore that I know it does it does match some of his lies yeah I want to I want to be on your

team so bad I'm gonna have to pull back on this one I applaud you and I it's reasonable but here's why I still think it's relevant even if you're holding back the reason is whenever he does that stuff whenever he does the I'm not going to get into it or you know all this insinuation stuff a lot of the time he's not lying out a whole cloth but he's going off of maybe rumor right he's going off of insinuation or some piece of information that maybe he can't back up entirely something

that he's heard something that he knows to be true but he's not reporting you know I'm saying yeah I think that this falls into that no matter what even if he's making something up the thing that he's making up should preclude him from ever signing up with Donald Trump you would think you would think you would think and I don't know you're you're your your point is completely valid now here's here is my takeaway so far from what it is we've talked about and how that leads up to

Trump based on based on this I can absolutely seeing I can absolutely see it being Ted fucking Anderson who turns the switch on Trump hmm that's interesting that to me like if we're if we're seeing this and and I think the argument has been made pretty pretty solidly that we can assume that the disaster narrative that he spun for a couple of weeks was built to sell gold it was an ad is all one big advertiser totally right so if we're seeing this out of Alex Jones now then I

can absolutely see that Ted Anderson sent him a directive saying we're on the Trump we're we're fans of Trump now it's possible I mean I don't I don't know my as well as I said my investigation is ongoing so that was on the third that's that's my conspiracy like I I I can see some of the enthusiasm in your eyes diminished a little bit because you didn't see me explode no but I I'm just not willing to go that far yet I'm not willing to say that Alex actually knew anything I think that

that's absurd I know that he's a liar and that's the premise of our show but I am going to believe him it's not even that I believe him yeah I'm putting myself into Alex's head and for him to say that you uniquely our place to do but I'm not saying he knows truth necessarily I'm saying he knows what he thinks he knows and what he thinks he knows is that Trump is the front man for consortium on the East Coast that is what he thinks he knows right what truth be damned

what is actually real who knows right even at that point who knows if he well the fact that he knows he isn't rich seems pretty seems to speak volumes and the fact that Alex says Trump is a nothing that he has that he is not wealthy at all that to me is something that speaks of him the fine line that I agree with you but the fine line that you're ignoring I think is these times that he lies about these things that he knows he believes those things that he's lying about

when he has these like okay when he has these secret sources that give him information and stuff that we've seen over these past episodes he he thinks he has real information and that's more important to my investigation than what the truth is necessarily I'm interested in why he changed and right in order to know why he changed we have to know what the baseline is we have a start point which is that he thinks Trump is a globalist well no the start point is even

before that it's the Larry Nichols savior right right no no I mean with with Trump with this Trump situation his very first thoughts he hasn't said that Trump's a globalist though no but he said that he's being set up with Jeb Bush and it's all it's all a fix he's doing a job yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a globalist no because Alex would make that proclamation if that's you believe it that's true he's called everybody else a fucking yeah yeah

why is he holding back he's not necessarily saying that Trump is one of them or anything like that the fact that he's phrasing he's phrasing it the way he's phrasing it I'm very comfortable saying that what he's implying is some knowledge of Trump's mob ties that is pretty comfortable for me okay I think whether or not he knows that to be I don't know if I'm making my point clear he believes it and that's enough it's not important that it is true or false mm-hmm what's important is

that Alex believes that Trump is controlled by outside sources and he's not really rich it's all fake yes it's all and he's there for publicity for his TV shows right so which is again what we all think and I think is what is what is what was true I don't think that many people necessarily around this time in 2015 we're talking about Trump's mob ties that's true I don't think a whole lot of sources we're breaking down how a lot of Russian mob money flows through his casinos right I

don't think people were talking about how there were tons of mob people who lived in Trump Tower right which is all stuff that's come out since then yeah so the fact that those things have come out and bear out with the facts of our reality that we know now it does lend some credence to maybe Alex was right then but again that's less important than the fact that Alex believes that yeah yeah so that's where we are sort of that on July 3rd right now we have the 4th of July happens and

he's off he's off for the 4th of July there's no show and we come back on the 5th of July everybody's had some nice hot dogs everybody's celebrated the independence from a country that no one can name Buckley's been married again Buckley's got thrice divorced at this point and the show opens on July 5th with a John Bowne report about the comments that Trump made about Mexicans 19 days after he made them uh-huh they have covered this story at all for 19 days so why bring it up now

yeah it is interesting why it is interesting I don't know so they get into it and a lot of this episode is kind of there's a bunch of stuff about Greece about the crisis in Greece there's a lot of most of the episode I would say the lion's share of it is about how an immigrant murdered a lady on a beach and get rid of all of them then Alex is really pissed off about that all of them so we're more immigrants we're starting to see why they're covering the Mexican comments yeah this show

this dovetails together does dovetails into uh some of his his things but still a number of his comments can't be squared with like that the reason that he supports Trump yeah here I'll get into it here's the first clip saying what about Donald Trump and he's the big topic and we did a report on the nightly news four days ago and I covered it a little bit this week but we'll get into Donald Trump not that he really matters but the story itself shows how the media operates

because I don't trust Donald Trump but what he said about very clearly a five-year-old can understand it about Mexico's exporting its criminals here that's admitted so he does support that rhetoric but he doesn't trust Donald Trump right because he knows things about him right so that is where his headspace is at he drops this a little bit later obviously Trump is a PR master obviously the guy gets into these elections to basically promote his TV shows and his casinos and his name

I don't trust Donald Trump as far as I can throw an elephant a papa elephant that said I don't think Donald Trump hates America and hates our basic freedoms and I think pretty much everything Donald Trump says makes sense and is truthful I mean stuff he says is very accurate he's a smart guy I agree with probably 95% of what Donald Trump says the problem is the guy's tied in with a lot of really seedy people obviously I mean come on young casinos he's in deep with the establishment

and he's as funny as the $3 bill if anybody is a ringer to take Republican votes away and then to ensure that a second candidate doesn't get in there like Rand Paul against Jeb and then Jeb can be the ringer for Hillary if anybody doesn't see that fixes in their blind now what do you think everyone was so wrong back then even Alex Jones was wrong back then even Alex Jones was like well to be fair he's Jesus this is obvious he's stayed everyone everyone including Alex Jones back then thought it was so obvious

that we wouldn't live in the world we do now we're all fucking stupid but don't you don't you see the obviously he believes everything that Trump says 95% of it 95% is truthful but he won't jump in he won't jump in because Trump is connected to shady people yeah and Alex seems to know that he seems very certain of that he would and that and that didn't sound like the way that he used the way that he said it last time which is very similar to the way he denigrates other

people this sounds he owns casinos he's involved with a lot of really shady people this sounds like shit that is that he thinks is obvious yeah that he doesn't need to talk about and because everybody knows he's a shaker the fact that he agrees with the rhetoric but the rhetoric can't be trusted right I can't trust this guy right means that it can't be that he philosophically agrees with the stuff that he says about immigrants no that can't be enough so that argument in my

investigation off the table yeah that can't be what it is now you want to know who else isn't on the Trump bandwagon at this point Roger Stone Paul Joseph Watson fuck him what do you think about Trump I think obviously probably a narcissist trying to draw attention to his own business interest taking away a lot of the vote from Rand Paul which the polls show that out of all the candidates he may not be the number one but he's the most likely to have a chance at defeating Hillary Clinton

because we know the establishment fears so he's there as you said as a ringer to take attention away take those away from Rand Paul I don't believe is inherently corrupt or evil in Paul Joseph Watson agrees with Alex at this point that Trump is a shill and he is there for publicity so everyone shifts their position at some point yeah and the fact that you said Roger Stone it I brought it up earlier Roger Stone's not around he's not around I think that's the turning point that's when it

happens I when Roger Stone gets in Alex's ear I don't I don't know when he shows up but my prediction is as soon as he shows up things start to change and that leads into what one of my predictions is I don't think Alex made a choice you don't think so I think someone maybe some of these CD mob ties yeah that Alex has discussed I think someone might have something on him on Alex yeah okay now that you don't think you don't think it's just opportunism you don't think

it's the same way that Larry Nichols is just kind of using Alex like Alex is very easily manipulated like that's true let's let's face it Alex is a dumb child somewhat yeah and if you trick him with candy and promises yeah he will get into the back of your Russian band your version is much more likely but I like to keep the suspense of the possibility I know I well see the only thing there is that we already have plenty of people who are compromised in the story like Roger Stone is

fucked yeah like all all of this shit all of this shit is more than enough the fact that it like it doesn't need to trickle down to Alex the actual compromising stuff but but but all that stuff to a certain extent is irrelevant to my investigation like I'll let the Senate investigate fucking Roger Stone like that's their business I mean people are like you you don't need to you don't need to go after Alex you it's it's easier to know I mean I mean for the Russian mob ties for that

you don't need to compromise Alex you just need to sweet talk him I don't know like I don't think I don't think so I think that Alex Jones having a career that's built on being anti people being corrupt like that even though he's corrupt himself with his gold sales shit yeah that's more unethical than corrupt but I mean no it's corrupt it's a thin line yeah I think that if he were to suss out that people were trying to sway him in a corrupt way like that that would backfire on the people trying

to do that you are it you are giving his ability to suss things out such high praise right now you're right that's the idea that's erroneous anything out that's fair he can't even suss out that people are fucking with him at an abortion clinic that's true he's an idiot he's a fucking idiot I still hold out he has a mental illness he has he has there's something in his brain that is broken Jordan I I get that and I agree with you but for the drama of the fact that we're doing any episode edit this

out we're doing three hour fucking episodes of this investigation we gotta at least dangle a carrot maybe we'll find proof that he's being compromised man your your version is way more likely but I can I can I can see I can see exactly what you're building towards and I can I I I'm not building I want to I want to believe you I'm so I want to believe listen you I'm the Scully I'm the Scully okay that's what's happening you're the poster I mean I'm the yeah exactly

look the reality is you're probably right he's dumb and very influenceable as we've seen with Larry Nichols basically as we've seen with dreams but you know but basically the dream is prompted by Larry Nichols savior stories and Ted Anderson's telling him to sell some more gold or the 20 years of indoctrinating his himself radicalizing himself with this globalist narrative but might I still think it's super important that he does say that Trump has ties to the establishment right

but he doesn't go as far as to say that he's a globalist right or any of that stuff right that is important to me in in as much as this investigation is about what happened in his whole journey and path with Trump like the fact that he's just like it's not even that he's a globalist it's that he's fucking mobbed up yeah that is such a weird that's such a weird angle of attack for him it's not even an angle of attack it's an angle of dismissal yeah he's not even a part of the conversation yeah

he's there opportunistically to get fucking promotion for his and he's not even a relevant thing here's here's who he's really on board with he says it on the July 5th episode he makes it very clear so it's Rand Paul or bust folks for me Ted Cruz really like him did some bad stuff like supported TPP so Paul Penn 2026 they're now on sale and they're going to attack Rand Paul because of his relationship with me so I mean he he makes it crystal clear it's Rand Paul or bust for me but

maybe Ted Cruz yeah that's completely in contradiction with what he ends up doing he ends up fucking cucking out Ted Cruz so hard oh he attacks him because something we all something we all felt joy at sure he goes from this position where I like some a lot of the stuff that Trump is saying the biggest stuff yeah I like that bigotry but I can't trust him because of these things that I know he goes from that to Trump is our savior right and how does he make that shift right he goes

from not mentioning him for 16 days after he announcing his candidacy he goes he spends his time fucking talking about Chick-fil-A billboards and shit like it's nonsense for that 16 days and when he finally starts talking about Trump it's with awareness dismissal and I don't trust him the journey from there to where we end up I think is going to be one of the most bizarre things that I've ever embarked on so join us next time god damn you you fucking god damn it we'll be back

monster we will keep monitoring the present day of course of what's going on on the Alex Jones show keep you guys abreast of current affairs but I will be on the background doing all this research and we'll be back with another installment shortly of the next week and Alex Jones is 2015 and we will see what I can learn I agree with you it's probably not as sensational as I hope but I have hope that I find something here's my my like here's my prediction it's going to be a

like maybe maybe to throw you a bone on that come on a carrot and stick right Roger Stone holding the stick yeah probably I think I think he's going to like because Trump came on a show like I think it is promises that were made to him like hey get on board because we're going to and and again my theory was that if you get on if you don't want to Trump wins he will come on your show and talk about how great you are I think it's that I think it's also Trump never planned on

winning no Trump wanted to like the theory holds that Trump wanted to start a Fox News start a Fox News and that Alex would get a prominent position there but but even even if that's the case that to me is equivalent to blackmail yeah well that's what and then of course the stick is if you don't then Trump's going to come after you right I say I think it's a money thing I think it's going to come back to being a money thing and I would also say that I'm sure that Ted Anderson are he's in play are reputable

gold and silver sales you formally reputable gold and silver guy yeah I'm sure he had a part in look rich people are jumping on board with Trump you're going to to those are the people who would be most likely to buy gold exactly also they're probably too smart to fall for your tricks so a double-edged sword with I don't I don't know I don't know what would you what would you if you are if you are a formerly reputable golden silver sales or a salesman what do you tell Alex to say like how what's

your best angle to sell shit through Alex I honestly think that if you're smart and you're Ted Anderson you want Hillary to win everybody wanted Hillary to win I don't think even it would be wise if you're trying to scare people to really support Trump because he's well and you can see from the gun manufacturers yeah guns have been have been selling at an all-time low recently yeah their sales have dropped because of course if you have Trump in there you're not afraid that Obama's going to

take your guns away so yeah it does it does limit things I genuinely believe I think that every it was in everyone's best interest for Trump to lose like it it is mind boggling to me see here's the thing I think if you're a propagandist and you know Ted Anderson is not necessarily a propagandist himself but he employs one in order to sell his gold right and he does it with a lot of other stuff to like the all these conspiracy websites all have minus resources ads on them

that's basically their advertising strategy is through fear stuff crazy people right but I think that apparently he got really rich off lunatic yeah if you're that's wow but if your flagship is the Alex Jones show which it clearly is and the whole Genesis communications network which includes some other shows that are not nearly as popular but if that if that is your move and you are dictating Alex's positions I think the smart thing to do is say look he's not going to win but you stay on that

Rand Paul train and when Rand Paul doesn't get the nomination you just make a lot of hay out of how he should have won the nomination and fuck both of these people right that's your smart move if you want to keep selling gold and your smartest move of well yeah because then if you if you're going against both of them then you can always fear monger it's a win-win and you can point to Trump you know like hey look Trump is just as scary as Hillary you can point to the pictures of them

together you can do that whole angle on it and that is a fear narrative that you can you're you're never going to side with Hillary but if you side with Trump and he wins then you're saddled with him yeah it's a it's a risky gamble for a propagandist right and I don't think he would I think it failed but I don't think he would have made that choice unless there were something else motivating it yeah I think the fact that he's built a business that up to 2015 was very

successful it's still it got wildly it got more successful for a short period of time but even at that point he's still like he's built an amazing thing you can't do that if you're an idiot you can't do that I mean he's an idiot about other stuff but like you can't do that if you don't make some decent strategic choices right and I don't think he would be dumb enough to shackle himself with an inconsistent possibly mentally degrading candidate for the presidency

that he's going to have to keep with him yeah and he knows these negative things about and he knows that he can't trust so I think that there has to be damn it this is fascinating I know I think that there how dare you end on a cliffhanger like this three hours what is this what are we fucking serial what's happening now we've been brought to you by mail yeah mail kind yeah Jesus Christ to be fair we did try and get a it should try and send an email to the serial people see

yeah I said the video oh shit how did it go no response because they were starting that production company I was like hey we're doing a show about Alex Jones it's a serial yeah no interest no interest anyway if you guys wanted some loose up if you guys want us to be on some sort of a fucking network so you can make some money send them an email yeah also if you want to send us an email you can at knowledgefightatgmail.com if you want to tweet at us it's knowledge underscore fight

that is correct and our website is knowledgefight.com if you want to go to it by the time this episode is out I will have posted a new functionality on the website I have built a calendar and it's going to be ever growing in terms of the content that's on it but as it is now I've posted a lot of clips from the month of June 2015 each episode I have a breakdown of what happened on that day's show and I'm going to keep updating it as we go along also build

in the current day all this it's going to be a massive resource for people if you just want information without listening to three hour episodes about what was going on on this day because there's a lot of days we don't cover right so there's going to be information there about what bullshit narratives he was pitching so we can you know we all have memories you know yeah it's important yeah so that Alex Jones thinks you guys don't have memories yeah he

banks on it yeah exactly takes it to the gold as we have documented many times guys to give you an idea of the staggering level of work that Dan is doing just look at this website it's fucking bananas look at this notebook he's got notes upon notes upon notes it's it's ridiculous generally I don't do this but become a policy walk because fucking are you this is insane this is a full time job you are losing your fucking mind I'm not I'm happier than ever I know I'm

doing great that's terrifying yeah I know so yeah please please help Dan out become a policy everybody if everybody who listen donated a lot let me rephrase that if we had forty million donated a lot yeah if our boy George Soros would hit us up I could turn this into the job it already is yeah and not have to work a full time job and imagine what I could find if that was the case for those of you who have already become policy wonks thank you so much for those of you who have a I

don't think any non-policy wonks are still listening at three hours let's be clear I think everyone's turned it off I don't know anyway you know what a lot of tragedy in the world it's real rough place but we can hang our head on one thing what's that Rubberport still lives Andy and Kansas you're on the side of things for holding so Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you